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[quote=syzygies;1157652]where is her evidence? attempted [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]. bullshit! he has to get the benefit of the doubt.[/quote]he will get the benefit of doubt in the courtroom and you can be sure he will have the finest legal team that money can buy defending him. but, there is evidence of anal sex. the question is was it consensual. it boils down to a case of he said, she said. the maid will be put on trial too. her history will be investigated completely and unless there is a witness or strong corroborating evidence of forced entry, strauss-kahn will get off. if necessary, a financial offer will be proposed to the maid to drop her accusations. its hard to imagine how a guy his age could so overpower a young, healthy, black girl and force himself into her back door. it is possible, however not very likely imo.

still, all the publicity and embarrassment, not to mention he had to resign his post and his political career is over; strauss-kahn has been fucked and fucked good. you got to ask what was this guy thinking? he is staying in a $3000/night suite at the sofitel. he could have called down to the concierge and requested suitable company. he has plenty of money. he should have made damn sure the maid was happy (big tip) before he left the hotel. in hindsight everything he did that afternoon qualifies as a dumb ass move. i question his rationality, although i agree with nic, it's just sex. it should not be a big deal.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1157722]I agree with Nic, it's just sex. It should not be a big deal.[/QUOTE]Yep, let's see if you both feel the same way if someone ever bends you (or him), your mother, sister, daughter, wife or someone you care about over and force themselve on you sexually. Better yet, follow his example and do the same thing here in Thailand or anywhere else since it's not a big deal and only sex.

[quote=run mann;1157737]yep, let's see if you both feel the same way if someone ever bends you (or him), your mother, sister, daughter, wife or someone you care about over and force themselve on you sexually. better yet, follow his example and do the same thing here in thailand or anywhere else since it's not a big deal and only sex.[/quote]you are assumming it is [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] is not sex! it is violent sexual assault. it is a crime. if he is found guilty i think they should put him in prison for a long time. i am assuming it was consensual because i find it unlikely, although not impossible that a guy his age could force anal pentration on a young, healthy girl. truth is we don't know what happened in that room. no one does except the two parities concerned. in france the case would have been handled much differently. this is going to be big tabloid news for the duration of the trial.

personaly, i am not capable of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]. i desire the girl to want the sex as much as i do. i am turned off if a girl is not into it. i could never force myself on a girl in the usa, thailand or anywhere. so the only way i could find myself in such a situation is on trumped up charges and false accusations. rm, that was a pretty low blow.

[quote=natty bumpo; 1157722]he will get the benefit of doubt in the courtroom and you can be sure he will have the finest legal team that money can buy defending him. but, there is evidence of anal sex. the question is was it consensual. it boils down to a case of he said, she said. the maid will be put on trial too. her history will be investigated completely and unless there is a witness or strong corroborating evidence of forced entry, strauss-kahn will get off. if necessary, a financial offer will be proposed to the maid to drop her accusations. its hard to imagine how a guy his age could so overpower a young, healthy, black girl and force himself into her back door. it is possible, however not very likely imo.

still, all the publicity and embarrassment, not to mention he had to resign his post and his political career is over; strauss-kahn has been fucked and fucked good. you got to ask what was this guy thinking? he is staying in a $3000 / night suite at the sofitel. he could have called down to the concierge and requested suitable company. he has plenty of money. he should have made damn sure the maid was happy (big tip) before he left the hotel. in hindsight everything he did that afternoon qualifies as a dumb ass move. i question his rationality, although i agree with nic, it's just sex. it should not be a big deal. [/quote]it is not easy here in usa to drop the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] case if proven by evidence.

grand jury has advised for the case to go ahead after looking thoroughly about the case.

ofcourse there are holes in the case which will be exploited by the defense.

it is not easy here just to give money to the maid and the case is dropped. however it is possible to get a monetary settlement to the maid and the deal has to be made between her personal lawyer (not the state prosecuter) and the defense lawyer.

the problem facing the lady,

if she withdraws the complaint, she will be seen as accusation with intent to defraud the state and can be prosecuted.

what she should have done is call the police from the room after the attack and prevent the guy from leaving the hotel.

next she should have hired a lawyer to represent her. if she is looking for money the lawyer would have negotiated with the defence lawyers and not allow the case go to court.

now that the case is in the court, it will be harder.

ofcourse if the deal is reached between the woman and the accused she can always play a non-supportive witness and the case will go away. this happens in many cases.

on the other hand if the case goes to full trial she will not get anything.

as for the guy, sometimes people in power do stupid things. he could have had any working girl he wanted. there are many many escort agencies in manhattan who will send beautifull, discreet girls for his fun.

[quote=natty bumpo; 1157745]you are assumming it is [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] is not sex! it is violent sexual assault. it is a crime. if he is found guilty i think they should put him in prison for a long time. i am assuming it was consensual because i find it unlikely, although not impossible that a guy his age could force anal pentration on a young, healthy girl. truth is we don't know what happened in that room. no one does except the two parities concerned. in france the case would have been handled much differently. this is going to be big tabloid news for the duration of the trial.

personaly, i am not capable of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]. i desire the girl to want the sex as much as i do. i am turned off if a girl is not into it. i could never force myself on a girl in the usa, thailand or anywhere. rm, that was a pretty low blow. [/quote]no, i'm not assuming anything, he is charged with sexual assault and the op made the point that the crime is not a big deal because he was horny and just wanted to get laid. you agreed with him and said yes it's no big deal, its only sex which is why i answered your post; his was already addressed by another poster. i am not discussing the merits of the case only the point that any sane person could not see why this allegation would generate such headlines why it is a big deal and not just sex.

She doesn't appear to be so healthy and I wouldn't be surprised if this was a setup by Sarkozy to block DSK from a presidential bid. Either that or she expected to be paid for the sex and he didn't realize and forgot to pay.

[quote=run mann;1157751]the op made the point that the crime is not a big deal because he was horny and just wanted to get laid. you agreed with him and said yes it's no big deal, its only sex which is why i answered your post;[/quote]i guess i am the person you refer to as the op? (what does that stand for by the way? obese prick?)

i just said that there is no proof whatsoever of any forced sex or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and it's just the word of the maid so don't make it a bigger deal than it is. as of now, it's just sex and until proven otherwise you can't jump to conclusions.

have you ever had anal sex? at all? because in my case, even if the anal sex in consensual, i have trouble going in. so i just can't imagine someone anal [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] a lady. but that's just me.

[quote=nicfrenchy; 1157756]i guess i am the person you refer to as the op? (what does that stand for by the way? obese prick?)

i just said that there is no proof whatsoever of any forced sex or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and it's just the word of the maid so don't make it a bigger deal than it is. as of now, it's just sex and until proven otherwise you can't jump to conclusions.

have you ever had anal sex? at all? because in my case, even if the anal sex in consensual, i have trouble going in. so i just can't imagine someone anal [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] a lady. but that's just me. [/quote]scroll down and read, that's not what you wrote, you essentially questioned why the case was such a big deal because the old man was horny and just wanted sex from his maid. how do you know there's no proof, are you the trier of fact? the police arrested him; a judge held him, a gj indicted him so they must have some evidence, the case won't be tried here. let's see what happens in the court of law if it gets there. he very well may be innocent or maybe not but in no way is this allegation not a big deal and it's not just sex.

i'm afraid that will be a case heard behind closed doors (i think there is such a provision in the ny law system)?

you know, in a way it's harder to prove that anal sex was non-consensual (hence [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]), compared to conventional.

it's practically impossible to sodomize someone without either consensus, or much violence, and lubricant in both cases.

not to say the guy is innocent. we'll see (if they allow).

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1157722]But, there is evidence of anal sex...[/QUOTE]Anal sex? Where did you read it? I thought it was forced ORAL sex (allegedly)?

[quote=bunky; 1157409]i entered the united states at o'hare airport in chicago last fall. arrived about noon. it was a bit of a hike from the gate to passport control, but once i got there the line was very short. maybe a five minute wait. the inspector was speedy and polite. there was a lengthy wait for my luggage, which surprised me. perhaps the ramp rats at united were having a bad day. once i got my luggage, it was only about 50 feet to the customs inspectors. they just waved my through. no inspection of my bags or any questioning at all.

by the way, there are anecdotal reports that the cbp agents at lax are prone to hassling single men who have been to thailand. if you search the frequent flyer forums (like flyertalk) you can read stories from guys who got referred for secondary inspection, where the agents were very rude, where laptops were search, where flash drives and cameras were searched, and where the general attitude was accusatory. officially, cbp claims they are searching for child porn. but there is at least some reason to believe that certain agents are grossed out by adult prostitution and they take it upon themselves to give the business to travelers they profile as sex tourists. [/quote]i have read about people's computers being search but i honestly don't believe it. as much as i travel nothing like that has ever happened to me. i have been directed to agriculture a few times in which all you do is put your bag through the x-ray machine and i have had to do a secondary inspection once back in march arriving from colombia into jfk.

in this instance i had already gone through immigration and was on the way through customs. i have global entry so i use the machine for immigration and do not have to talk to an agent. i was pretty much in a hurry but before i got to the customs agent to give him my card another customs official told me to come with her. she diverted me to a desk in the same open area where the bagage claim and customs is. she opened my suitcase and took everything out and took a screwdriver with a sharp point and poked the plastic areas inside the bag. of course she asked me to turn my computer on but once she saw the screen working properly i was able to shut it back off. then i had to repack my bag myself and was allowed to go on my way. i had plenty of bootleg dvds from peru but she was not concerned about that. it is apparent that she was searching for drugs.

as i have said, after hundreds of times of entering the usa nobody has ever asked to see files on a computer or pictures from a camera. doing this would fall under a violation of the usa fourth ammendment of the right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure. i advise anyone that this happens to to see a lawyer and write to their congressperson.

[quote=pro fesseur;1157845]anal sex? where did you read it? i thought it was forced oral sex (allegedly)?[/quote]from abc news.

[url]http://abcnews.go.com/international/imf-chief-dominique-strauss-kahn-arraigned-sex-charges/story?id=13609991[/url]

"international monetary fund chief dominique strauss-kahn allegedly forced a new york city hotel housekeeper to perform oral sex and submit to anal sex, in addition to allegedly attempting to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] her, according to a complaint filed today by the office of manhattan district attorney cyrus vance."

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1157860]From ABC NEWS...[/QUOTE]Thank you. It was not mentioned in the previous news reports that I had been reading so far about this story.

[quote=goyave;1157625]i am a frenchman too, but i don't share nicfrenchy's point of view. if proven, the sexual assault is, imho, a very serious crime.[/quote]i am 1/2 french, and not proud of it. i left as soon as i turned 18. i find most french people to be quite low on the totem pole of cleanliness, manners, and they are also completely oblivious to people around them with their filthy cigarettes. polansky [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] a 14 year old was no big deal according to french law. so why would this be a big deal?

oh, and let's not forget the stupid idiotic scarf they must wear around their neck in even 30c temperatures. idiots.

maybe next time frenchy gets anally raped, we can all say. it's just sex.

[quote=nicfrenchy;1157756]i...i just said that there is no proof whatsoever of any forced sex or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and it's just the word of the maid so don't make it a bigger deal than it is. as of now, it's just sex and until proven otherwise you can't jump to conclusions...[/quote]who is jumping to conclusions?

how do you know "there is no proof whatsoever of any forced sex or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]"?

none of us knows the facts in this case. all we have is second hand information and hearsay from the newpapers.

if the charges are false the guy should be vindicated, and if there is any reasonable doubt, he will. right now, american law presumes him innocent, which is how it should be.

but if the charges are substantiated, sexual assault is a serious crime. it's not just a horny old man having sex, and if you think so, you are attempting to minimize the charge without knowing the facts.