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[QUOTE=Sirioja;3006176]I'm afraid Crimea and probably part of Donbass won't return to belong to Ukraine. Trump is sucking too much Putin and only interested to rob poor Ukrainians, with his lies about USA help money.[/QUOTE]But I thought Ukraine was winning? That's what the mainstream western media keeps telling me. Are you saying they are lying?
[QUOTE=BloodRed;3006281]But I thought Ukraine was winning? That's what the mainstream western media keeps telling me. Are you saying they are lying?[/QUOTE]Which western media claim Ukraine is winning? Tell us, when most medias report about too many killed by criminal Putin. But Ukrainians are for sure very courageous to resist to weak Russian army since more than 3 years.
Very long read however very important read on the above.
Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner.
Slavic Studies Panel Addresses "Who Promised What to Whom on NATO Expansion?
[URL]https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early[/URL]
Of course Gorby the traitor didn't listen to Baker's advice on economy, but it's another story.
Gentlemen, In light of developments today, has your prognosis for an end to the war improved? Or do you think peace is as far away as ever? Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;3019075]Gentlemen, In light of developments today, has your prognosis for an end to the war improved? Or do you think peace is as far away as ever? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately for poor Ukrainians, after Trump sucked Putin dick for months when Putin has Trump balls in his hand, now Putin just makes fun of the old senile telling white today and black tomorrow, without even understanding difference. I m afraid Crimea and probably other parts are lost for Ukraine and Putin doesn t respect agreements. Only way to stop this war is never Trump, but only making broke Russia, then maybe blind Russians will wake up and make same than to Ceacescu, when almost same dictator. Russia would live better without criminal dictator Putin, when nobody want to attack Russia, but only his paranoiac business. Same for criminal Netanyahou making his war business with everybody, to avoid prosecution and supported by so shameful Trump. All 3 would be prosecuted if they didn t make their business to avoid it. Poor world with such criminals.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;3019075]Gentlemen, In light of developments today, has your prognosis for an end to the war improved? Or do you think peace is as far away as ever? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]No, I remain very pessimistic. The war has not yet started.
[QUOTE=Questner;3019304]No, I remain very pessimistic. The war has not yet started.[/QUOTE]When crazy Putin, but he showed to the world his army is quite weak, after more than 3 years.
[QUOTE=Questner;3019304]No, I remain very pessimistic. The war has not yet started.[/QUOTE]Do you mean you expect the war to expand and directly involve other countries besides Russia and Ukraine?
Your link to the National Securities Archive back in May, which I read a couple of years ago, explains why Russia could be so upset with the West's broken promises that this could spread.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;3019491]Do you mean you expect the war to expand and directly involve other countries besides Russia and Ukraine?
Your link to the National Securities Archive back in May, which I read a couple of years ago, explains why Russia could be so upset with the West's broken promises that this could spread.[/QUOTE]Yes, I do. In respect to short and medium range missiles treaty of 1988 which I witnessed first hand we are back to square one. Any intervention on the part of NATO into Ukraine, any impediment of maritime traffic in the Baltic Sea, any action in Tiraspol all may broaden the conflict to disastrous outcomes.
Again, with the US being the main architect of the conflict, the US Administration has now the chance to close the Ukrainian project, to restore balance, to improve the relationship between the countries and then other issues will be resolved.
The Wall Street Journal is reporting that Russia's willing to agree to a ceasefire if Ukraine cedes all of Donetsk and Luhansk, and if the world recognizes Russia's claim to the Donbas and Crimea. From there details become sketchy. Zaporizhzhia and Kherson might be divided up along the current lines of control or Ukraine might end up with all of the two oblasts. A third possibility is that there might be a land trade for some part of Zaporizhzhia or Kherson currently under Russia's control for land in Donetsk controlled by Ukraine.
I'm only seeing this right now in the WSJ. Other media sources aren't reporting on it.
This could be good news.
[QUOTE=Questner;3019506]Yes, I do. In respect to short and medium range missiles treaty of 1988 which I witnessed first hand we are back to square one. Any intervention on the part of NATO into Ukraine, any impediment of maritime traffic in the Baltic Sea, any action in Tiraspol all may broaden the conflict to disastrous outcomes.
Again, with the US being the main architect of the conflict, the US Administration has now the chance to close the Ukrainian project, to restore balance, to improve the relationship between the countries and then other issues will be resolved.[/QUOTE]
Thanks Questner, you’re insightful as always
Poor Ukrainians who may be fucked by senile Trump sucking Putin who hold his balls, in Alaska. Since 1991 , Crimea did belong to Ukraine and same for other places now invaded, when Putin who was just nothing in 1988 , is an invader. And Trump criticized on his first election Crimea invaded, but he is too senile now. Criminal Putin can t travel all over the world now, so he needs his criminal friends to receive him. Same for Netanyahou.
[QUOTE=Questner;3019304]No, I remain very pessimistic. The war has not yet started.[/QUOTE]Russia has a bigger vision.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;3019514]The Wall Street Journal is reporting that Russia's willing to agree to a ceasefire if Ukraine cedes all of Donetsk and Luhansk, and if the world recognizes Russia's claim to the Donbas and Crimea. From there details become sketchy. Zaporizhzhia and Kherson might be divided up along the current lines of control or Ukraine might end up with all of the two oblasts. A third possibility is that there might be a land trade for some part of Zaporizhzhia or Kherson currently under Russia's control for land in Donetsk controlled by Ukraine.
I'm only seeing this right now in the WSJ. Other media sources aren't reporting on it.[/QUOTE]First of all WSJ is anti-Trump and publishes mostly deliberate nonsense with respect to the conflict. Ignore it.
Ukraine can withdraw troops from 4 regions, but can't cede it without changes in the Constitution. Big difference mass media does not emphasize it to you.
Ceasefire can be only temporary, limited and conditional and by all means it should leave no chance to NATO's direct intervention.
It's up to individual countries to recognize the facts, like Nicaragua did recently, but it can't added to the treaty. The US can recognize, but I don't see how Congress passes it.
It's hard to comment about 2 regions, Zaporozhye and Kherson, the only thing is don't believe any news who may claim the RF promised to cede them.
Trump's efforts are laudable, but we discount them in the long term. It's our land for millennium and we will get it one way or another and unite the country.
Even if some technical details may be complicated, the general picture of the conflict is rather simple, and I don't know why some lack mental acuity to get it.
[QUOTE=Riina;3019645]Russia has a bigger vision.[/QUOTE]Russian meat for war, or criminal dictator Putin?
Sir Tony Brenton had an interesting take on the meeting on CNN this afternoon. Brenton is a career British civil servant and old Russia hand who served as Britain's ambassador to Russia from 2004 to 2008, during Labour Party administrations.
Witkoff said today Russia was willing to accept security guarantees from the USA And other nations, akin to NATO's Title 5. Title 5 states that an armed attack against one NATO member is an attack against them all. Conversations between the Trump administration and European officials appear to confirm that Russia has agreed to accept robust security guarantees for Ukraine.
Brenton said Russia didn't and won't agree, under any circumstances, to Ukrainian membership in NATO. But a guarantee like what Witkoff described is just as good.
Brenton in fact believes the two countries now have a good path towards peace. And the meeting this Friday may be the beginning of the end. The security guarantee was the most problematic stumbling block.
That said, I'd trust Questner's forecast of what's to come over Brenton's, and Questner believes this has farther to go. Questner, I hope you're wrong this time. It would be great to see Russia, Ukraine, the United States, and Europe on the same page. And maybe with time they'll all be friendly, as they should be.
Peace and love.
Tiny.