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[QUOTE=Mel365;1825138]I use Seeking Arrangements in the USA with Great success. I tried for Bogota last week.
I could not believe the response 80-100 US for TNL. It seems that the chicas are on vacation from University and need money.
Unbelievable!
Mel.[/QUOTE]Unlike Mr E, I think 80/100 for TLN is the going rate for foreigners. OTOH, Mr E seems to always get it cheaper. Not easy to emulate him.
[QUOTE=Mel365;1825138]I use Seeking Arrangements in the USA with Great success. I tried for Bogota last week.
I could not believe the response 80-100 US for TNL. It seems that the chicas are on vacation from University and need money.
Unbelievable!
Mel.[/QUOTE]I agree, that's cheap, if that's coming from some of the more attractive women. Mel, in the USA and Colombia, do you just ask them upfront how much they want to spend the night? If so, are many insulted? The majority, but not all, of the ones I've contacted seem to want some kind of an ongoing relationship. And some say they're just looking for one guy.
I travel to Bogota on a fairy regular basis and ave typically been using Tinder and getting mixed results. Lots of dates / interest and a shot-ton of messaging / chat, but not so much in terms of getting them into bed. A few, one was great, but for the most part it is a huge amount of effort that is not commensurate with the results.
I have gone out to a few of the clubs, like Paisa and such, also to mixed results. All of them get into bed, but some are better than others and a lot of times they are sort of mechanical and not that into it, which holds little interest for me, plus the whole process of negotiating price and getting them to leave with you puts me off.
A few posters here have mentioned using Seeking Arrangements and I wanted to get more details on how well that works before I shell out $$ to join. Looking at the pics / profiles on there, there are a lot of young, beautiful girls willing to go out with you and spend time in exchange for being spoiled. Some seem sort of relationship focused while others are a little more obviously ready to be physical, so I imagine their expectations will run the gambit.
My questions are as follows:
1. What percentage, if any, of these are fake profiles?
2. I assume that regardless of which girl you talk to, that sooner or later, they understand that the goal is to become physical, whether they require time up front / chemistry first or not. Right?
3. Do girls there typically want some sort of shopping, dinner, pamper arrangement when you meet them, some sort of periodic allowance, or some sort of arrangement on a per trip / visit basis? I'm going to guess that it varies from girl to girl, but some insight from guys that have used it would be helpful.
Thanks in advance, getting back into the hobby a bit more after a long time off (you can see some of my posts from early 200's when I was traveling through SA for an extended period). Browsing the girls on that site are going to get me back to Colombia sooner rather than later if I can get the right chica to enjoy it with.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;1825542]I agree, that's cheap, if that's coming from some of the more attractive women. Mel, in the USA and Colombia, do you just ask them upfront how much they want to spend the night? If so, are many insulted? The majority, but not all, of the ones I've contacted seem to want some kind of an ongoing relationship. And some say they're just looking for one guy.[/QUOTE]$80-$100 is Cheap if you can spend 4-5 hours in bed the girl. I've been hooking up with Some girls at Troya Short GFEs upstairs for $20.
[QUOTE=Woodman09;1828224]$80-$100 is Cheap if you can spend 4-5 hours in bed the girl. I've been hooking up with Some girls at Troya Short GFEs upstairs for $20.[/QUOTE]I guess it's all relative to what you negotiate. I've been able to do all night for 150 K out of Las Vegas. Then again, once I paid 120 K for a full hour upstairs at Apollo VIP. I know that if you're willing to wait until after midnight, the prices go down. Obviously, this is not something many are willing to do in Santa Fe. Also, on busy nights some of the girls don't make as much as they would like due to increased competition. As always YMMV.
[QUOTE=Sokta169;1828565]I guess it's all relative to what you negotiate. I've been able to do all night for 150 K out of Las Vegas. Then again, once I paid 120 K for a full hour upstairs at Apollo VIP. I know that if you're willing to wait until after midnight, the prices go down. Obviously, this is not something many are willing to do in Santa Fe. Also, on busy nights some of the girls don't make as much as they would like due to increased competition. As always YMMV.[/QUOTE]Yep-- True-that. And my experience isn't necessarily the same experience because I may appeal more or less to a certain girl-- The same as regular dating. I've been meeting a lot of really hot girls at Troya in the afternoon and just having Good GFE Times.
Will write more later.
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Landed in Bogota a little past 11 pm. Checked into my hotel, then headed out to Santa Fe. Streets were full of people. Girls, guys, vendors, police, beggars, etc. First I hit Troya, girls were asking for 80 K for un rato upstairs. I wasn't going to decide so quickly, so stayed a while then left. Went to Fiebre Sex next. Found a tall hottie who asked for 50 K and 6 K for the room. Wham bam and busted my first nut in Bogota. Got hungry and went next door for a bowl of sopa de mondongo, beef tripe and rice soup, very delicious for 4 K. Had a good time chatted up two fellow diners, who were wearing street clothes, probably finished their shifts and were about to go home. Bought them sodas and offered one of them I'd take to my hotel to stay the night, I offered 150 K but she insisted she could only stay 2 hours. So no. Walked around a bit, by now it was 2 am and looked like some of the clubs, like Fiebre and Paisas, were closing and the crowd was moving across the street to the other clubs. Checked out a couple of them, sorry I forgot the names. Hung around a bit in the street, had fun joking and flirting with the chicas. In the end, nothing really struck my fancy so I'm back at the hotel now. I still have a few more days and a few cupid chicks lined up, so no rush. So far I'm liking this place, even on a Thursday night it was quite happening. There were lots of silicones, but lots of natural as well. Whites, blacks, skinny, thick, take your pick. Sure I had a couple of beggars and old hags following and tugging at me but just act firm and put that "don't fuck with me" face on and no hay problema. Only thing that sucked was my Tigo SIM from last September has expired and I didn't have my phone on me to collect numbers for later hookups. Too bad for my friends back home who'll have to deal with the mid-Atlantic snowpocalypse!
[QUOTE=Woodman09;1828627]Yep-- True-that. And my experience isn't necessarily the same experience because I may appeal more or less to a certain girl-- The same as regular dating. I've been meeting a lot of really hot girls at Troya in the afternoon and just having Good GFE Times.
Will write more later.[/QUOTE]Hi Woodman,
I want to PM you but it says your box is full. Popular guy!
[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1828849]Landed in Bogota a little past 11 pm. Checked into my hotel, then headed out to Santa Fe. Streets were full of people. Girls, guys, vendors, police, beggars, etc. First I hit Troya, girls were asking for 80 K for un rato upstairs. I wasn't going to decide so quickly, so stayed a while then left. Went to Fiebre Sex next. Found a tall hottie who asked for 50 K and 6 K for the room. Wham bam and busted my first nut in Bogota. Got hungry and went next door for a bowl of sopa de mondongo, beef tripe and rice soup, very delicious for 4 K. Had a good time chatted up two fellow diners, who were wearing street clothes, probably finished their shifts and were about to go home. Bought them sodas and offered one of them I'd take to my hotel to stay the night, I offered 150 K but she insisted she could only stay 2 hours. So no. Walked around a bit, by now it was 2 am and looked like some of the clubs, like Fiebre and Paisas, were closing and the crowd was moving across the street to the other clubs. Checked out a couple of them, sorry I forgot the names. Hung around a bit in the street, had fun joking and flirting with the chicas. In the end, nothing really struck my fancy so I'm back at the hotel now. I still have a few more days and a few cupid chicks lined up, so no rush. So far I'm liking this place, even on a Thursday night it was quite happening. There were lots of silicones, but lots of natural as well. Whites, blacks, skinny, thick, take your pick. Sure I had a couple of beggars and old hags following and tugging at me but just act firm and put that "don't fuck with me" face on and no hay problema. Only thing that sucked was my Tigo SIM from last September has expired and I didn't have my phone on me to collect numbers for later hookups. Too bad for my friends back home who'll have to deal with the mid-Atlantic snowpocalypse![/QUOTE]That's awesome! This is the reason I can't stay away from Santa Fe. Although many feel it's too dangerous, most of the people I've encountered are pretty honest. Another thing is that many of the girls will give you the same service or better for a lower price compared to some of the other parts of town. Thanks for the update. I'll be back for one night in February before I go to Carnival in Barranquilla. I can't wait.
[QUOTE=Sokta169;1829181]That's awesome! This is the reason I can't stay away from Santa Fe. Although many feel it's too dangerous, most of the people I've encountered are pretty honest. Another thing is that many of the girls will give you the same service or better for a lower price compared to some of the other parts of town. Thanks for the update. I'll be back for one night in February before I go to Carnival in Barranquilla. I can't wait.[/QUOTE]Absolutely agree. As a matter of fact, I just came back from the Pussy House and it sucked. How can it be so lackluster on a Saturday night? It wasn't because I went too early, as it was pretty packed with customers. I could count the total number of girls on my both hands. Compared to Santa Fe, the Pussy House is just too isolated as a destination. If it sucked, you can't go club-hopping as in Santa Fe. (I did go across the street to the other place, and it was no better.).
Before getting back to my hotel, I walked by Theatron to take a look. (Someone has written about picking up non-pros there.) This mega gay club had a mega gay crowd outside waiting to get in. I'd say for every one girl (who's probably going with her date) there must be 60 gays. Haters would say "you have no game", but that's not the type of odds I'd take.
[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1829494]Absolutely agree. As a matter of fact, I just came back from the Pussy House and it sucked. How can it be so lackluster on a Saturday night? It wasn't because I went too early, as it was pretty packed with customers. I could count the total number of girls on my both hands. Compared to Santa Fe, the Pussy House is just too isolated as a destination. If it sucked, you can't go club-hopping as in Santa Fe. (I did go across the street to the other place, and it was no better.).
Before getting back to my hotel, I walked by Theatron to take a look. (Someone has written about picking up non-pros there.) This mega gay club had a mega gay crowd outside waiting to get in. I'd say for every one girl (who's probably going with her date) there must be 60 gays. Haters would say "you have no game", but that's not the type of odds I'd take.[/QUOTE]AWW if you scared say you're scared.
Joined a walking tour in the morning, took in all the sights like Museo del Oro, Plaza Bolivar, La Candelaria, etc. I'd recommend this as a non-monger activity. Search for "free walking tour Bogota" (suggested donation 20 K).
Around 4 pm, went to Santa Fe and hit Atunes. It was quite packed with older businessman types. Selection of chicas was great. Most of them quoted me 60 K for un rato upstairs. Found one I liked and negotiated 50 K including room fee. Nice 69, and great riding skills to completion.
Rested up and around 10 pm returned to -- you guessed it -- Santa Fe. It's Friday night and the place is a carnival. Hit Troya first, quite a party atmosphere. Then to A'Tun (not Atunes). Now this place is interesting. It has mostly black girls and the DJ played Dr Dre, Mary J Blige and Snoop Dogg back to back to back. I was transported back to my Washington DC Skylark days in the mid 90's! Went to Venus next, wasn't great.
Random thoughts: Most Colombian guys seem to be contend just to go drinking with their friends. I don't see a lot of them going upstairs with chicks. The after-hours clubs I mentioned before are Apollo and Guauu ("wow".) Just like I was club-hopping, a lot of the girls go from club to club to where they feel it's happening.
By now, around midnight there were lines outside waiting to get into Fiebre Sex and Paisas. On the street I ran into a hottie I chatted with the night before. I invited her and her friends to sit in a booth with me inside La Casona. (La Casona has a good party atmosphere too). Turned out this girl is actually Venezuelan. She, her sister and two friends came together from Caracas over a 3-day, 6-legged bus trip! Conditions are so dire in Venezuela, she had temporarily suspended her medical school study and make this trek to earn income. We connected pretty well, not sure if it's because we're both outsiders. Pretty soon we were back at my hotel room for a very GFE TLN. In the morning gave her 200 K then walked her back to the dump of a hotel where she's sharing a room with her sister and 2 friends, 25 K per night split 4 ways.
[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1829518]Around 4 pm, went to Santa Fe and hit Atunes. It was quite packed with older businessman types. Selection of chicas was great. Most of them quoted me 60 K for un rato upstairs. Found one I liked and negotiated 50 K including room fee.
Rested up and around 10 pm returned to -- you guessed it -- Santa Fe. It's Friday night and the place is a carnival. Hit Troya first, quite a party atmosphere. [/QUOTE]Come on man. Stop fucking all the hos in my favorite spot. Besides it is much too dangerous there at night. You should stick to the Zona Rosa clip joints where it is safe and a drink will cost you the same as a Santa Fe chica. And don't forget to give lots of tips.
So I've sprouted for a SA account in Oct and more recently mid-Dec. Before I share my experiences I think it's worthwhile to also share a bit about myself. I'm a mid-30's non-Caucasian middle class, Spanish speaking male who's been playing in Colombia for 10 years and more recently living here for longer periods of time. I only spend a night in Bogota on average every month and while I am easy-going I'm definitely not a push-over. In short I can't stand bullshit and call them on it.
That said SA takes a lot of work to weed through the crap. I'd say the 8's-10's are on there expecting big money 500 mil+ for a few hours but they start out even higher like iPhones or shopping. My response is good f-ing luck as we're not on the same planet. The 6's-8's who are in the mid-20's can make it worthwhile and here's my experiences:
1) 22 yr old who isn't my build per-say (I prefer the tall slim volleyball types) but was fun chatting at dinner where she ended rubbing my chest and stroking me under the table at the JW. We didn't discuss any $ and ended upstairs where she gave some great head and an enthusiastic ride for a few hours. I gave her 200 mil and an Uber home.
2) 27 yr old who again not my build per-say but was fun chatting with. Dinner and drinks but only wanted to be wined and dined that night. No sex but no money either. I have a feeling though the next time would be straight to bed with no money expected as she made it clear she was only on the site because her boyfriend isn't paying enough attention to her.
3) 21 yr old who's a 7.5 - body could use a bit of toning at the gym. 250 mil straight to bed. Ended up spending 3 hrs together and a true GFE. Would I call again. Prob. If nothing more interesting pans out.
I've collected a few more whatsapp #'s of those who expect 200-300 mil for a few hours but it's clear they're pros while I was hoping for a more exclusive non-pro mistress type arrangement.
Would I spend more time / money on SA. Probably not as I think I can spend the same amount of time hunting in Santa Fe or Chapinero where I know it's 60 k (or less). That said unicorns may exist and that 9. 5 who wants to be only with you and expects 200 mil for the night is out there.