Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2938393]Let's say there's a cute girl who works at a coffee shop or whatever that seems to be interacting warmly with you. How would you go about trying to offer her money for sex.[/QUOTE]I would say how much for boom boom? Fuck dude, are there not enough known hookers around that you have to go around risking insulting people working their normal job by offering money for sex? Do you know how to pick up chicks that are not hookers?

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2938393]On TF, do you bother saying anything other than "Hi. Do you freelance?" and then make them an offer if they say yes? I used to try to say more than this, but they would just respond with "I'm freelancer" if that's what they were.[/QUOTE]TF is a mix of normal chicks and hookers. Why would I risk pissing off a normal chick that may become a great friend or more by immediately asking to pay her for sex? Again, do you know how to talk to normal women? Just say Hello, and the rest will work itself out. No need of jumping the gun rushing up to every woman you come across asking if you can pay her for sex.

Also, if you come across an item for sale, do you immediately make an offer to the owner, or do you ask the owner how much they are looking to get?

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2938393]I have a question about the opinions of people here about Pattaya "game. " Now if there's any place on Earth that requires no "game" at all, it's Pattaya, but I'd still like to know what you think.

Let's say there's a cute girl who works at a coffee shop or whatever that seems to be interacting warmly with you. How would you go about trying to offer her money for sex.

On TF, do you bother saying anything other than "Hi. Do you freelance?" and then make them an offer if they say yes? I used to try to say more than this, but they would just respond with "I'm freelancer" if that's what they were.[/QUOTE]On Thai Friendly you just say Hello, then after they say Hello, back then you hit them with a "ST 1000 baht" and then go from there. Some will accept that, some will counter offer with a higher number. Almost all will ask for your Line ID or give you their Line ID and then you continue the negotiations on Line which is better because then you can send them your location and they show up right to your hotel or airbnb.

I've only run into two who said they were not freelance out of 30+ I have already fucked. When they say that I don't continue to persuade them I just block them and onto the next. I'd say 90% of them are "looking for customers" in fact some even have that written on their profiles.

Hope this helps.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2938393]Let's say there's a cute girl who works at a coffee shop or whatever that seems to be interacting warmly with you. How would you go about trying to offer her money for sex.[/QUOTE]I don't offer money, I simply ask "Would you join me for dinner tomorrow?" or something like that. She might say yes, she might say no, or she might tell you she is freelancer. I had 2 good P4P experiences like that earlier this year. One was an employee at a clothing store and the other was a customer at 7-11. My best ever non-P4P Thai girl was a customer at a coffee shop.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2938393]On TF, do you bother saying anything other than "Hi. Do you freelance?" and then make them an offer if they say yes? I used to try to say more than this, but they would just respond with "I'm freelancer" if that's what they were.[/QUOTE]I ask a different question: "'What do you want to find in ThaiFriendly?" They might say "customers" they might say "sincerity/husband/boyfriend".

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2938363]Yea sure you want to "steer clear".

We believe you.[/QUOTE]He is asking for a friend, LOL, not for himself. When the glass is half empty, the other part is half full. So if you know where you shouldn't go. LOL.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2938208]I pay a prostitute to leave. My time is WAY to valuable to spend it with someone pretending.

This sentence sums up my position as well. To this day, I have never done LT and doubt I ever will. Post nut clarity is something. Don't get how after busting with a hookie a punter doesn't immediately want her gone. But to each their own.

The DATY discussion is an interesting one. I haven't engaged in it yet on this trip and don't forsee doing it. After the bloody first encounter I had on this Pattaya trip, I can't get myself to eat, especially not a hookie.[/QUOTE]I think you and I approach Pattaya much the same. I remember I left a report stating that I am pretty much exclusively a TF hunter because bars and clubs aren't really my thing, and you said you are more or less similar. I also am a ST-only guy. I get the irrational caveman need to fuck, but then as soon as I'm done, I have absolutely no desire to be with a woman who I can barely communicate with. I also NEVER eat out prozzies. I cannot imagine doing that in a city like Pattaya.

Last time I was in Pattaya, I left a bit jaded and bitter...but after a horrible trip to Kenya I think for my return trip to Pattaya later this year, I will show a renewed appreciation for the prozzie Mecca. I look forward to leaving a hopefully less gloomy review when I do get back to the promised land.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2938459]He is asking for a friend, LOL, not for himself. When the glass is half empty, the other part is half full. So if you know where you shouldn't go. LOL.[/QUOTE]Someone make sure to tell him (sorry, I mean warn him) where the LB bars where they have the real big d1 cks so he can avoid those the most!

But seriously if the guy is really looking for LBs. I've never put any time into looking, but I've seen some real sketchy looking ones on the alley on the south of Soi 6. And I also saw a LB bar while walking through Treetown one time. I don't remember the street names, but they at least looked like they were actually trying. Unlike the street urchins behind Soi 6.

So those are the places you should avoid. Or go to. Depending on the actual intent of your post.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2938204]+1. Whilst Soi 6 is not my preferred late afternoon or night out in Pattaya (I prefer GC vibe / pool bars / live music venues) I visit Pattaya twice per year for one month in April and 3 weeks in low season (next trip coming up in 4 weeks). During each venue I always dedicate one night minimum (mostly 2) to Soi 6. It's almost like nostalgia. I cannot remember paying LT price of 1500 or less for a LONG time for a spinner / optifuk. Ram is not wrong to say that older ladies, some with few customer prospects, might do this. But he also commented that he is 40's and only takes the younger pretty girls. My experience is that ET is right. The bar fine price starts high and declines as the night progresses. The LT price for a spinner is now minimum 2000 (late on) or normally 2500-3000. I was there during Songkran this year (total bedlam! Just after Songkran I had a fabulous time in Toybox. Decided to try to take 2 young optifuks out for a night out, meal, bit of fun down WS and maybe a karaoke or pool competition. Despite generosity with lady drinks my attempts to persuade both of them to come for 2000 each, meal, drinks all night did not succeed. At that point (8 pm) mamasan was quoting 1500 BF for each of the two but said she would take 1000 for each if I definitely took two. But the LT price at that time was 3000 and the best I could get it to was 2500. So rather than spend 7000 (x2 2500 and x2 1000) I said I would take one only for 1500 BF and 2500. The mamasan asked me "why take 2 for 5000 when you can take 2 for 7000". Fair point. Having now referred to the price in global terms I countered with 6000 for the two and she reluctantly accepted. Meaning I got x2 BF 1000 (which at 8 pm is reasonable) and x2 LT at 2000 each. Great night was had. But the notion of the best looking girls doing 1500 LT and BF at 500? Sorry. Not something I've come across on Soi 6 for a very long time. And no, I'm not a bar owner![/QUOTE]I didn't say the norm was 1500 LT. I said I have been offered 1500 on several occasions for LT from Soi 6, which I interpret as paying the bar fine and leaving the bar with the girl back to my hotel or where ever we choose to go. The first girl who offered me this, I had ST with previously twice and we were having a few drinks together and she asked me to take her to walking street for the night and I said, " for short time price" and she was quick to agree. This girl was very attractive and I think 27 or 28 years old. I didn't want to be stuck with her all night and I m here for variety so I declined and moved on, but it was 100% offered to me. The other two, same thing. I didn't want to LT with them so I just ST with them on site. Again, for context. This is all happening past 10 pm As for me, I am in my early 40's and stay in shape, tall white American. But nothing special, pricing for me and for an overweight guy in his 60's is not going to be significantly different.

Now, when I do take girls from Soi 6 or Mythnight or Treetown. I never pay more than 2000 for the girl and a barfine around 500. I think I have paid 600 a few times. Again, for context, this is after drinking with them for some time and it is usually late at night. I only go for attractive girls in their twenties as well. So back to my original statement. Here is a general guide for pricing for the beer bars at these locations for an attractive girl later in the evening.

1500ST - 500 for room.

2000 LT - 500-600 baht bar fine.

As I have stated in previous posts, I don't even buy a drink for a girl unless she is giving me strong signals she wants to drink with me and I usually won't discuss bar fine or ST until after we have been making out and she has been grabbing my cock. This lets me know she wants me as a client and there will me no funny business. I may have to visit several bars and go through several girls until I find this, but almost always it is easily attainable. And yes I have had girls deny me and won't go for below 2000 for ST, but most are quick to agree. Those are the prices you should be shooting for. If you have to pay an extra 1000 baht to get what you want, who cares pay it and fuck.

I don't think we should be going out of our way to pay these girls as much as possible though LOL.

Walking Street gogo update. Bar fines start around 1500-2000 and girls usually want 3000. Gogos on the side streets are empty and can get good action there. Quality of girls can vary.

[QUOTE=BPalacio;2938460]I think you and I approach Pattaya much the same. I remember I left a report stating that I am pretty much exclusively a TF hunter because bars and clubs aren't really my thing, and you said you are more or less similar. I also am a ST-only guy. I get the irrational caveman need to fuck, but then as soon as I'm done, I have absolutely no desire to be with a woman who I can barely communicate with. I also NEVER eat out prozzies. I cannot imagine doing that in a city like Pattaya.

Last time I was in Pattaya, I left a bit jaded and bitter...but after a horrible trip to Kenya I think for my return trip to Pattaya later this year, I will show a renewed appreciation for the prozzie Mecca. I look forward to leaving a hopefully less gloomy review when I do get back to the promised land.[/QUOTE]Indeed, sounds like we are similar. Given the cultural differences and language barrier, there's just not much to discuss with a working girl, and I actually speak some Thai and can communicate at a basic level, but still find them boring. I'm having a good time in Pattaya even with some of the negatives. Having said that, I'll likely try to find greener pastures for my next trip. I'm finding Asian girls less and less attractive. I was in Jomtien yesterday and there's a big Russian population there. Saw a few absolute beauties that looked like models and better than any Thai chick I have seen since being in Thailand for two weeks. The biggest draw of Pattaya and BKK is the ease of procuring ass, which will keep it the goat. But in terms of looks, I just want some Latinas or Eastern Euro / Russian chicks at this point.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2938456]I ask a different question: "'What do you want to find in ThaiFriendly?" They might say "customers" they might say "sincerity/husband/boyfriend".[/QUOTE]That is absolutely the worst thing you can ask. I'm surprised they even answer you. Almost all of the ladys hate that. They much prefer you to tell them what you want so they know if they want to answer you.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2938198]Really? Have you tried them all? I have been to several barbers in Pattaya over the years, and have no complaints at all.[/QUOTE]Been to 4 different barbers. One was sufficient, but its a far walk from my hotel which is why I didn't go back. The other 3 were horrendous. I get a shave and a haircut and the barbers butchered my face each time with the straight razor. Seriously it was fucking terrible. No aftershave even. I m done ever having a shave from an Thai barber again.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2938345]The first bar on the right hand side when you enter the soi from second road. Some LBs in Solo bar too (mixed bar).

Some others in the bar in front of Hero bar too.

Just be aware there are still some LBs in the soi, but most of the time they are obvious to spot.

I don't think you would spot any in a Nightwish bar though.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. I recall many years ago when I visited Nana Plaza and had to walk past some of these ladyboys who were quite aggressive in grabbing me and I really didn't appreciate it. Walked as fast as I could past them. However I don't judge others who are into it. Just not for me.

And as for others who think I'm actually asking indirectly to hope to find some ladyboys instead -- what the frack is wrong with you guys? If I wanted to them or anything else, I would ask directly. If you do a search on all my past trip reports (Panama, Medellin from this year for example), I'm detailed and try my very best to provide as much useful info for fellow travellers as much as possible. To have idiots here make stupid accusations about other members here who actually try their best to contribute whenever we can and also ask honestly for needed info for upcoming trips is not only disrespectful but unacceptable. Hoping the moderators will take note of these guys.

[QUOTE=KrumeLurer;2938272]T

Of course, but should it be acceptable with double or triple prices? I don't think so.[/QUOTE]I don't know much, but I do know that girls that sell sex in Pattaya or anywhere else in the world, could not be less interested in what you think or anyone on this site thinks about how much they should charge for their service. All they care about is how much they can make for allowing you to be a sex partner with them. And while many would like to see it change, not many guys when confronted with a lady they really want to have sex with will walk away because they are trying to "protect the market" from price increases.

It doesn't matter if you or anyone thinks it is acceptable or not. If a lady can convince a customer to pay double or triple and it serves her purpose, she will do it and not look back. I am not sure why folks get all wrapped around the axle with this. Pay what you want, walk away if it doesn't fit your idea of a reasonable price. Pretty sure the word "fair" is never part of the equation.

I am NOT saying you should like higher prices, just saying complaining about them is a waste of time and energy. But that is just my opinion and has the same value as what you paid for it. LOL.

[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2938482]Indeed, sounds like we are similar. Given the cultural differences and language barrier, there's just not much to discuss with a working girl, and I actually speak some Thai and can communicate at a basic level, but still find them boring. I'm having a good time in Pattaya even with some of the negatives. Having said that, I'll likely try to find greener pastures for my next trip. I'm finding Asian girls less and less attractive. I was in Jomtien yesterday and there's a big Russian population there. Saw a few absolute beauties that looked like models and better than any Thai chick I have seen since being in Thailand for two weeks. The biggest draw of Pattaya and BKK is the ease of procuring ass, which will keep it the goat. But in terms of looks, I just want some Latinas or Eastern Euro / Russian chicks at this point.[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree more, I am lusting to get back to the latinas although I do love Pattaya. I stumbled into one of the Russian bars on Walking Street the other night. There was def some gorgeous Europeans in there. Tall with wide fat asses like I like. I had a few drinks with a Ukraine hooker. 500 for lady drink, yes I know I should have never paid that but I really needed something to feel up that wasn't a tiny asian. Anyway girl was really cool except that she started out with a 40,000 baht offer for LT LOL. She quickly dropped to 25,000 baht when she saw I almost spit out my drink LOL. So anyway, if there is any big spenders out there, that's the price for some "Red Heat" LOL.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2938503]Thanks for the info. I recall many years ago when I visited Nana Plaza and had to walk past some of these ladyboys who were quite aggressive in grabbing me and I really didn't appreciate it. Walked as fast as I could past them. However I don't judge others who are into it. Just not for me.

And as for others who think I'm actually asking indirectly to hope to find some ladyboys instead -- what the frack is wrong with you guys? If I wanted to them or anything else, I would ask directly. If you do a search on all my past trip reports (Panama, Medellin from this year for example), I'm detailed and try my very best to provide as much useful info for fellow travellers as much as possible. To have idiots here make stupid accusations about other members here who actually try their best to contribute whenever we can and also ask honestly for needed info for upcoming trips is not only disrespectful but unacceptable. Hoping the moderators will take note of these guys.[/QUOTE]Bad news for you brother. There are lady boy bars all over Pattaya everywhere you go and many massage parlors and beer bars will usually have a ladyboy or two hanging out. They are easy to spot. I had that like 2 meter tall man-woman on Soi Buakao latch onto my arm the other night for a good 45 seconds and would not let go. She had giant hands with a chimpanzee grip. I was playing like it was funny, but I was shook something was going to go down and shit was going to pop off with a pack of lady boys which is the last thing in the world anyone wants. You really want to get into a bloody street fight with some lady boys? Nah hell fucking no! Anyway she released me from her clutches and I high tailed it out of there and made a note never walk on that side of the street again.

That being said, any other time I ran close to one of the lady boys it was no big deal and they just cat call you like any other hooker.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2938493]Been to 4 different barbers. One was sufficient, but its a far walk from my hotel which is why I didn't go back. The other 3 were horrendous. I get a shave and a haircut and the barbers butchered my face each time with the straight razor. Seriously it was fucking terrible. No aftershave even. I m done ever having a shave from an Thai barber again.[/QUOTE]If you have a decent set of hair and expect the same back home the reality is go back home to get it cut or cut one before you come!

This is reality, majority and I speak in general didn't go to a barber school most are self taught by someone they know or a parent. Both of my sons cousins have cut my hair what is left I go to a lady near my house I call her shop 5 minutes cause that is how much time it takes to cut my hair every two weeks rain or shine without the shave. How, I get my regular a number 1 that should indicate what is left on top 100 baht and 120 with the shave. After shave " coming on " really if you are lucky it you get a bit of soap that is it!

To go to a decent school and even then they aren't going to teach them with after shave the cost might run about 25,000 baht, many can't even afford 60 baht to buy a box of condom school training it isn't happening. Even the female salons, many can wash you hair do your nails but cutting, style, one has to go to a school, my wife years ago, wanted to get trained 20 years ago that school one of the best 40,000 baht had to attend for a year her training was going to events and cutting hair for free to locals.

You want to get it cut even half decent let it grow or cut it all off! LOL,