Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=Landedflush;2251592]La Mayorista is basically one block. The girls are posted up against the buildings. The block is lined with bars, restaurants, hotels and for some reason. One casino. They are all independents. You negotiate with them directly and then take them to one of the hotels. This area is frequented by Colombian men, not gringos. You will see very few gringos there if any. Prices are less than half of Park Lleras. Area safe with constant police presence posted up on the block. It's a very fun experience, especially if you come with a few friends. But yes, there is a higher risk of a bad experience like the one I had.[/QUOTE]Could you please give the link for the reference points on google maps for Mayorista, because I've been looking now for 20 minutes and just going all over the place! Apparenty, for Mayorista it's Calle 85 and Carrera 51, no luck finding that! There are like 10 different Calle 85's, plus I can't get access to the Medellin map for some reason.

It is the block on calle 85 between carrera 50a and 51.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2252038]Could you please give the link for the reference points on google maps for Mayorista, because I've been looking now for 20 minutes and just going all over the place! Apparenty, for Mayorista it's Calle 85 and Carrera 51, no luck finding that! There are like 10 different Calle 85's, plus I can't get access to the Medellin map for some reason.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2252038]Could you please give the link for the reference points on google maps for Mayorista, because I've been looking now for 20 minutes and just going all over the place! Apparenty, for Mayorista it's Calle 85 and Carrera 51, no luck finding that! There are like 10 different Calle 85's, plus I can't get access to the Medellin map for some reason.[/QUOTE]Here's a map I made of where it is at:

[QUOTE=Coupe66;2252038]Could you please give the link for the reference points on google maps for Mayorista, because I've been looking now for 20 minutes and just going all over the place! Apparenty, for Mayorista it's Calle 85 and Carrera 51, no luck finding that! There are like 10 different Calle 85's, plus I can't get access to the Medellin map for some reason.[/QUOTE]Take the Metro to the Ayura station. Get off the train, go up the stairs, exit the station and turn left. Take the stairs down and follow the street to the west. You'll pass a bunch of street vendors, then you will pass Plaza Mayorista, a major distribution center for all types of goods. Just past it you'll come to Casino Paraguas on your left. That's the beginning of the Mayorista red light district. It's just 2 blocks on the left side of the street.

[QUOTE=Vern2020;2250372]I'm thinking of going to Medellin for vacation next year. I went to Sosua this year and San Jose the year before that. I do write trip reports, and appreciate the help I get on this site. Sorry, this is a real noob question. I would like to set up a facebook account to meet girls ahead of time in Medellin. But I have never done facebook before. I don't even have a legit facebook account for myself. I think I can figure out the part about setting up an alias e-mail and opening the account. My question is if I post photos of myself, will my friends and family members be directed to my monger account because facebook has facial recognition and tags me? Do I need to take any precautions to keep anyone I know from figuring out I have a facebook page dedicated to trying to meet girls in a foreign country? Thanks.[/QUOTE]I can only tell you from personal experience. I have had two facebook accounts for years now. My main account and an account that I use to meet chicas from Colombia, Cuba, Etc. Not once have I gotten tagged or gotten a friend you may know notification from someone that I know from my "Real Life". The key is don't use the same email address and never link your phone number to the account. If you link your phone number to your account, people from your contact list will start showing up on people you may know section.

[QUOTE=Talon;2249659]I found, after making over 150 facebook friends with chicas, that I've refined my introduction and pitch to such a degree that usually now I just copy and paste the same phrases over and over.

1. When you find a girl to your liking, friend her and send her a short message about how your visiting Colombia and would like to meet them.

2. About 40% will respond to your message. If they're super enthusiastic and immediately agree right off the bat then you've struck prepago gold and can safely move on to step 5. Otherwise, make some small talk (How are you, I like your photos, you seem fun, etc.) and maybe tell them a little about yourself to put them at ease.

3. Close out the conversation by saying how you think we could have a good time together.

4. If they respond positively, tell them you'll message them again when you arrive. If they're not interested then they'll probably just ghost you at this point. A few will play dumb and ask what you mean, in which case it's time to say explicitly that you want to sleep with them. You may think this is crass but you're here for booty, not to make friends.

5. Once in Medellin or wherever message them again asking if they'd like to come to your apartment or hotel at a certain time.

6. If they're willing to come to a stranger's apartment "for a good time" then you're 99% certain at this point that they're doing it for money. This is when I make my usual pitch of 150 mil for an hour plus bbj. I've had counter offers, and some girls refuse to bbj, but I've never had anyone get mad or insulted. I know some members here prefer not to mention money or expectations beforehand and just go with the flow but I feel you save yourself some headaches ironing everything out in advance. Last thing you want is some diva demanding $200 and threatening to make a scene.[/QUOTE]This is a good strategy. Usually when I tell them that I will travel to Medellin after 4 months, most of them stop responding though.

[QUOTE=KiteRunner1979;2252152]I can only tell you from personal experience. I have had two facebook accounts for years now. My main account and an account that I use to meet chicas from Colombia, Cuba, Etc. Not once have I gotten tagged or gotten a friend you may know notification from someone that I know from my "Real Life". The key is don't use the same email address and never link your phone number to the account. If you link your phone number to your account, people from your contact list will start showing up on people you may know section.[/QUOTE]It seems FB has become very strict with new accounts. If you just create an account and start giving too many friend requests, there are chances that you will blocked from the platform. And regarding privacy, if you are going to upload your real photos, make sure those photos are publicly available to give element of future deniability. While signing up, don't give your mobile number at any cost and create a new email address for sign up. Face regonition is not used for giving friend requests. Its usually your browser login location and history, your phone number and email contacts that they use to track you. And also avoid FB and Messenger apps on your mobile phone.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2252101]Take the Metro to the Ayura station. Get off the train, go up the stairs, exit the station and turn left. Take the stairs down and follow the street to the west. You'll pass a bunch of street vendors, then you will pass Plaza Mayorista, a major distribution center for all types of goods. Just past it you'll come to Casino Paraguas on your left. That's the beginning of the Mayorista red light district. It's just 2 blocks on the left side of the street.[/QUOTE]These are good directions. I strolled through this area last Saturday evening and it was just getting started, but there were already a dozen or so chicas scattered around the area, in doorways and at the local bars. It also appeared that there was one actual strip club, although it was too early in the day to verify that. I'll return at some point and post a better report.

I know people have varying opinions about this, but I use a credit card quite often when I am in MDE, particularly at restaurants and store (because I get points and there is no international exchange fee). Maybe this has been posted before or is common knowledge, but very recently I have noticed more restaurants and businesses in Medellin that (should) give the option of paying in COP or USD. Sometimes they ask and sometimes they just assume because you are a gringo, you want to pay in USD (which, for me, is not true because the exchange rate is not as good that way). I might expect this type of option in Lleras or at a hotel in Poblado, but I stay in Laureles and was given this option at Frisby chicken and Subway (where I have my thanksgiving turkey sub! So just a head's up. If you use a credit card and want to be billed in COP, just be sure to keep an eye out.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2252933]I know people have varying opinions about this, but I use a credit card quite often when I am in MDE, particularly at restaurants and store (because I get points and there is no international exchange fee). Maybe this has been posted before or is common knowledge, but very recently I have noticed more restaurants and businesses in Medellin that (should) give the option of paying in COP or USD. Sometimes they ask and sometimes they just assume because you are a gringo, you want to pay in USD (which, for me, is not true because the exchange rate is not as good that way). I might expect this type of option in Lleras or at a hotel in Poblado, but I stay in Laureles and was given this option at Frisby chicken and Subway (where I have my thanksgiving turkey sub! So just a head's up. If you use a credit card and want to be billed in COP, just be sure to keep an eye out.[/QUOTE]With the exchange rate hovering around 3100-3200 and local places only giving 2850 its better to use CCs as long as your CC company doesn't charge an international fee. Make sure to be billed ok cop and your CC company will give the best exchange rate.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2252933]I know people have varying opinions about this, but I use a credit card[/QUOTE]Fact: Best way to get the best overall rate / return in any country is to use a credit card without foreign transaction fees, without annual fees, without making payments, if the business doesn't charge extra for using the credit card.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2252933]I have noticed more restaurants and businesses in Medellin that (should) give the option of paying in COP or USD. Sometimes they ask and sometimes they just assume because you are a gringo, you want to pay in USD (which, for me, is not true because the exchange rate is not as good that way)[/QUOTE]I hate when they do that. They are ripping you off, those fuckin bastards.

When they charge you in US dollars (if your credit card is based in the US), their credit card processor charges you 3.5% extra. Even if you have a lousy credit card that charges you the foreign transaction charge, it's only 3.0%.

Most credit card processor gives the business the option to charge their customer in US dollar or the local currency. If they charge you in US dollar, I believe they don't get charged the 3% Visa / Mastercard fee.

From my personal experiences, they usually charge you in COP when not asking, but sometimes they charge in US dollar. That irritates me. I got tired of asking them to charge me in COP, but now I try to tell them to charge me in COP.

Some business owners will ask their employee to charge in US dollars. But most of the time, I think it's just ignorance of the employee.

I have saved a great deal time and money reading this forum. Hoping this trip report will help someone also.

Arrived from CTG with buddy Fri Nov 9 and paid the 70 K posted rate 70 K for cab ride to El Poblado. Rented apt on 23rd floor of a 24-HR guarded building about 7 min walk from Parque Lleras in a quiet residential area. Left for a recon of the area and at the building guard gate had a chat and intro with the security guards. Slipped each a 10 K much to their delight. I try to stay in places where 24 HR guards are on duty even if the place isn't chica friendly. The small tip makes many of the hassles disappear.

Had a late lunch, exchanged cash at 2890 COP for 1 USD and rested. Many guys use ATM to get cash but credit cards are accepted in almost all restaurants with the exch rate north of 3150 COP for all transactions (about 10% better). We used the cash for mongering and taxi fares mostly.

At 10:00 back at Parque Lleras and the place is hopping with chics and partygoers. Had a few beers at a club overlooking the action and saw many beautiful talents. Had heard paisas are gorgeous and now witnessing it firsthand. All the clubs and restaurants had touts. Went to Gusto, Tabu (Taboo? And a couple of others. They all had a variety of chicas props and semi-pros if there's such a thing, but getting fleeced on beer and liquor just to meet hoes didn't sit well with either of us. I had a list of at least a dozen girls I had lined up from Colombiancupid so started to contact them. Most wanted to meet later that weekend. Chatted up several 8's and a couple 9's during our walk and they ranged from 250 K to 300 k so we passed. It was still early around midnight & no incentive to lower the rate. Just to the east side of the park on the last street saw two young girls a morena and a blond I think 18 and 22 and they were giggling and flirting with us. The blond was 22 gorgeous with bolt-ONS and firm ass. I confirmed if they had cedulas and didn't even haggle with 150 K for 1 hour. My bud was ok with the moreno and I fell in love with the blond and we were off. Our security guard gave us a smiling welcome and a thumbs up and we were off to the races. The girls smelled like cannabis and I knew it was going to be fun. I had a great GFE including continuous DFK, BBBJ and a great fuck with the blond one, even took a shower together while we made out. She was a bit nervous about roughing up her bolt-ONS but her worries didn't last long. Fantastic pussy, very responsive and passionate; had an amazing experience. My buddy with the morena wasn't as lucky, holding back on his dick not letting all in. I was really up for spending more time with my gal but we have an unwritten agreement that we don't abandon our monger partner for a chica. Day 1 came to an end about 2:00 am.

Early part of the day took a tour of the city to get oriented with the city. Saw some SWs around Botero Plaza and figured out where the strip joints are. In the afternoon visited a few of them and didn't care for the selection. Didn't go to any of the high end joints like Luna Lunera or Fase II mostly looking for the gems in the rough. About 6:30 ended up at Conejitas and haha definitely heard the bell ring when walked in announcing fresh meat on premises! Passed on most of the 7-8 girls lurking there and were ready to leave after the 5 K beer was finished. That's when I saw DulceMaria walk in. Cute chica with typical long black hair and white paisa skin bought her a 7 K aguardiente then paid the 70 K for 30 minutes and went upstairs. Had a really good session with BBBJ without even asking. Room was clean with shower and decent bed. She helped me shower to begin the session and she did everything I requested. Bolt-ONS and a nice firm ass and a flat stomach with 4-packs; definitely the work of a surgeon. I got her number but never called her. I would have in a different country but simply too many choices in this city.

At night ended up at Parque Llleras again, my buddy was tired and went to bed. I hadn't yet used any of my cupid contacts so I asked a busty 21 YO I had talked on whatsapp to meet up. She was 2 hours late but showed up and I bought her dinner at Il Forno right at the Parque. Afterwards I asked her to come to my apt and she said she had to work early morning and would meet me after work at 2:00 tomorrow. I knew this was a game and cut my losses and let her go. I would have had to spend some time and money on her and wasn't worth the effort given the mission objectives, limited time, and abundance of talent. She messaged me the next day but I ignored her.

Hung at the park and after about 1 hour spotted a young mulatto (Laura) and her friend. The friend was unattractive but Laura insisted that her friend can't be by herself so they immediately agreed to 100 K each for a threesome. Again my initial intro with the security guard paid off. One of the chicas didn't have her cedula but he let her in although he pulled me aside to tell me to be careful not to get tag teamed or robbed. I assured him 6 foot 4 and 260 lbs pal is upstairs and we're not newbies. While I fucked the 19 year old Laura (she sent me her cap & gown graduation picture this week) I had the ugly one suck and eat my balls and eventually cum on her face. For round 2 fingered and slapped her while fucking the other; neither was into the other girl. I also never allowed anyone of them be anywhere by themselves. A few minutes after they left, the guard came up to our place to check and make sure everything was OK. I slipped him another 20 K for looking out for us.

Did some touristy stuff like taking the metro and the cable cars to Parque Arvi. Visited Envigado Mall followed by a good filet mignon steak at Restaurant Mondongo, great service too. My buddy had to have a chica so we ended up at Conejitas again as soon as it opened and he went upstairs right away. I pulled one with a cute face but made a rookie mistake and didn't notice her baggy outfit. After the shower she wouldn't remove the towel until the lights were low and noticed serious baby damage, a turnoff for me. K9 ed the shit out of her til finish and no propina just the 70 K fee. Dinner at a nice restaurant near Park Lleras and ended up at another bar afterwards. The talent was amazing as any of the bars or clubs had several options even on a Sunday night. After two beers and repeated 250-300 K quotes we decided to just walk the area.

Ran into two very bubbly and giggly in normal clothes and not pro looking. Ended up going for a drink with them. One was a mulatto with big tits and the other with beautiful soft ivory skin, neither had make up or any type of enhancements; natural T and A and just absolutely beautiful, ages 23 and 25. I didn't realize but the blanca was more into my pal. My bud invites them to the apt and strikes a deal for 150 K each while I went to take a phone call and we head home. We had a beer and some snacks while looking at the views from our balcony then I take the blanca back to my room. She was a bit cold as I later realize she wanted to fuck my buddy. Anyway she wasn't into much DFK but the fuck was great. After I finished my buddy took her to his room for awhile and she gave him a BBBJ just as a favor. The dark one rebuffed my mild advances while I manhandled her tits but as a 50-some year old I had fucked two chicas today and didn't insist. The security guard told me they were Venezuelans after they left since he checked their ids. He asked me what we paid and seemed surprised that the damage was only 150.

Flight out of MDE early afternoon so the night before I arranged to have Laura the student to come at 9:00 for another round before we go for breakfast and airport. She showed up on time and my buddy wanted to fuck her instead. 10 minutes later he came out saying he didn't like the hanging skin on her snatch; picky man I think he had no appetite! I made the sacrifice and stepped up to the task. Laura wanted to stay and asked if I wanted another round but it was time to go. There will be another trip to MDE for certain hopefully longer than 3.5 days next time.

Observations which many of you probably already know:

-Use no foreign transaction fee credit cards for restaurants and you get the best exchange rate. A few restaurants add a surcharge for CC use but the menu should state it.

-No need for Colombia Cupid, FB, or other online methods unless your trip is sufficiently long. I wasted much time chatting up CC girls but the immediate on ground talent appeared just as good. Certainly a few gems can be found online but they consume effort and time and the outcome is not any more certain. My feeling is that the online ones are no more or less pro or semi-pro than what you might find in any of the bars.

-Most if not all of the high-end regular apartments prohibit escorts, loud parties, or drug use. However, friendliness and taking care of the security guards has tangible benefits. Just don't abuse the rules.

-Strip joints were a hit and miss, some cuties and not many beauties. Also be cautious of your surroundings.

-El Poblado seems to be where the new money is. Saw Ferrari, Hummer limos, Audi R8, Benz and beammers mostly Bogota plates. Also explains why some chicas wanted 400 K for an hour, albeit 9's. As a point of comparison, a SW in centro told my buddy 30 K.

-Taxis and metro are cheap and efficient. Make sure driver turns on the taxi meter, small screen right by the rearview mirror. Minimum fare is 5 K.

When I arrive at customs in Medellin, I usually have 2 or 3 liter bottles of alcohol.

Whats the most anyone has brought into Colombia without hassle? Please specify when it was.

On various information sites, I keep seeing 2 liters. But I have brought more than that on several occassions.

Just wonderring if anyone has ever hit the limit and got burned.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=HasideasTao;2253153]When I arrive at customs in Medellin, I usually have 2 or 3 liter bottles of alcohol.

Whats the most anyone has brought into Colombia without hassle? Please specify when it was.

On various information sites, I keep seeing 2 liters. But I have brought more than that on several occassions.

Just wonderring if anyone has ever hit the limit and got burned.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]If I recall the custom declaration form had no mention of alcohol. That would 'imply' there is no limit. I brought 2 one Lit bottles, no one checked anything.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2252962]With the exchange rate hovering around 3100-3200 and local places only giving 2850 its better to use CCs as long as your CC company doesn't charge an international fee. Make sure to be billed ok cop and your CC company will give the best exchange rate.[/QUOTE]Overall ATMs give you best rate and have best chance of no transaction fee (s). CC rewards 2% whatever, can be offset by rate / tran fees. Cash is the worst.
YMMV

[QUOTE=SBTiger;2253200]Overall ATMs give you best rate and have best chance of no transaction fee (s). CC rewards 2% whatever, can be offset by rate / tran fees. Cash is the worst.
YMMV[/QUOTE]Yes, the ATM debit card will give you the best exchange rate. But the credit card will also give you virtually the same exchange rate.

I take no chances, I read the fine print. If both cards charges no fees and if the ATM debit card refunds the foreign ATM charge, then both exchange rates are the virtually the same.

The credit card will have a better effective rate if you calculate the credit card rewards.

Yes, I know. This is the wrong thread for this discussion.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2253224]Yes, the ATM debit card will give you the best exchange rate. But the credit card will also give you virtually the same exchange rate.

Yes, I know. This is the wrong thread for this discussion.[/QUOTE]What you don't know is that the CREDIT function will charge 4% extra on top of all other fees and the slightly higher exchange rate. Pretty obvious, as with a DEBIT card you take your money from your bank account, with a CREDIT you BORROW it. They are lending you money and they charge a fee (VISA and MASTERCARD live on that).

NEVER NEVER use a credit card to get cash, unless one wants to borrow it because short of it. Always use a debit card.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2252969]From my personal experiences, they usually charge you in COP when not asking, but sometimes they charge in US dollar. That irritates me. I got tired of asking them to charge me in COP, but now I try to tell them to charge me in COP.

Some business owners will ask their employee to charge in US dollars. But most of the time, I think it's just ignorance of the employee.[/QUOTE]Totally true. Also some ATMs using the debit function ask with or without conversion to your currency. NEVER accept conversion paying with credit card or taking cash from ATM. The exchange rate is some 3% 4% worse. They offer clear charging in your currency for the sake of clearness, but it's a pricey "service".

I am very pissed off when the restaurant charges the amount on my VISA with conversion to EUR. As you say, they basically do it for ignorance.

I spent time trying to explain this to waiters and the lady at the cashier of Angus Brangus but they were just looking at me with politely dumb eyes.

[QUOTE=TadaiMaybe;2253031]Flight out of MDE early afternoon so the night before I arranged to have Laura the student to come at 9:00 for another round before we go for breakfast and airport. She showed up on time and my buddy wanted to fuck her instead. 10 minutes later he came out saying he didn't like the hanging skin on her snatch; picky man I think he had no appetite! I made the sacrifice and stepped up to the task. Laura wanted to stay and asked if I wanted another round but it was time to go. There will be another trip to MDE for certain hopefully longer than 3.5 days next time.

Observations which many of you probably already know:

-Use no foreign transaction fee credit cards for restaurants and you get the best exchange rate. A few restaurants add a surcharge for CC use but the menu should state it.

-No need for Colombia Cupid, FB, or other online methods unless your trip is sufficiently long. I wasted much time chatting up CC girls but the immediate on ground talent appeared just as good. Certainly a few gems can be found online but they consume effort and time and the outcome is not any more certain. My feeling is that the online ones are no more or less pro or semi-pro than what you might find in any of the bars.

-Most if not all of the high-end regular apartments prohibit escorts, loud parties, or drug use. However, friendliness and taking care of the security guards has tangible benefits. Just don't abuse the rules.

-Strip joints were a hit and miss, some cuties and not many beauties. Also be cautious of your surroundings.

-El Poblado seems to be where the new money is. Saw Ferrari, Hummer limos, Audi R8, Benz and beammers mostly Bogota plates. Also explains why some chicas wanted 400 K for an hour, albeit 9's. As a point of comparison, a SW in centro told my buddy 30 K.

-Taxis and metro are cheap and efficient. Make sure driver turns on the taxi meter, small screen right by the rearview mirror. Minimum fare is 5 K.[/QUOTE]So true - "No need for Colombia Cupid, FB, or other online methods unless your trip is sufficiently long. I wasted much time chatting up CC girls but the immediate on ground talent appeared just as good. Certainly a few gems can be found online but they consume effort and time and the outcome is not any more certain. My feeling is that the online ones are no more or less pro or semi-pro than what you might find in any of the bars. ".

Yes in years past I would start a month or so before my planned trip but every time I got so busy with other venues and chicas that I met and followed through with maybe 2 or 3 out of the bunch.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2253290]So true - "No need for Colombia Cupid, FB, or other online methods unless your trip is sufficiently long. I wasted much time chatting up CC girls but the immediate on ground talent appeared just as good.[/QUOTE]I totally agree. I go online to find normal chicks to date. If I want a hooker in Colombia then I know where to find them cheap and without wasting tons of time. I have never understood preplotting hookers. For me, getting a hooker is more of a spur of the moment, on the spot, impulse purchase. I wouldn't plan particular ones weeks in advance.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2253339]I totally agree. I go online to find normal chicks to date. If I want a hooker in Colombia then I know where to find them cheap and without wasting tons of time. I have never understood preplotting hookers. For me, getting a hooker is more of a spur of the moment, on the spot, impulse purchase. I wouldn't plan particular ones weeks in advance.[/QUOTE]You guys are probably not good at pre-planning then. There is nothing like setting up a harem weeks before your trip, getting down there and actually being in between your fantasy chick and getting around to 90% of your list.

Social media is only as good as you can work it. A grand piano in LeBron James's hands? Worth $0. A Grand Piano in Elton John's hands? Millions.

I met a "normal" chick in person once. We met and had wings. She had to go to a birthday party afterwards, so she left and I went back to my apartment and got back to trying to get to everyone in the harem. I could have smashed the next day I am positive (she was pissed that I didn't hit her up any more during my stay), but if you want to have a serious discussion about saving time, it ain't with "normal girls". With them I have to leave my place. With prepagos, the taxi shows up, she gets out. Taxi shows up, she gets in. With regulars and TLN we order in and get wasted.

If I were in the city for more than a month or two, I'd be all over the normal girl track. After a few days I am at the point that I've gotten rid of all the "thirst" built up while incarcerated in Sex Prison and can stand to be around a beautiful woman and not try to smash at first bat.

My 2 pesos.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;2253349]You guys are probably not good at pre-planning then. There is nothing like setting up a harem weeks before your trip, getting down there and actually being in between your fantasy chick and getting around to 90% of your list.
[/QUOTE]I do look for chicks online beforehand, but normal non-pros to date and get to know and do normal stuff with. Most of the time when I deal with hookers it is a one and done, so I don't put a bunch of stock into finding them and cultivating them. To me they are just like fast food.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2253247]NEVER NEVER use a credit card to get cash, unless one wants to borrow it because short of it. Always use a debit card.[/QUOTE]Yes. I thought that was obvious.

It seems I wasn't clear.

I meant that the best way to spend your money is to use your credit card at any business that accepts credit cards such as markets, restaurants, etc. instead of using cash.

Hesitating between these places.

I know Tijuana well and have been several times. My system is perfectly set up that I can bang 10 chicks a day if I want to there, without moving from the hotel. But I'm a bit bored of Tijuana and want to explore new horizons LOL.

-Not looking for GFE or flirting / picking up non-pros.

-Only looking for pros, and don't like to move around too much. It's all about getting many girls a day, without wasting time, straight to the point.

-My budget is flexible.

-I enjoy my comfort aka having a nice hotel close to everything.

-Spanish level. Intermediate.

Did a bit of research and I'm open to both places (Medellin: casas + strip clubs) or Sosua (bars). Input? Thanks!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2253339]I totally agree. I go online to find normal chicks to date. If I want a hooker in Colombia then I know where to find them cheap and without wasting tons of time. I have never understood preplotting hookers. For me, getting a hooker is more of a spur of the moment, on the spot, impulse purchase. I wouldn't plan particular ones weeks in advance.[/QUOTE]Well-said and exactly to the point. In my case I had face timed with a lawyer, a boutique owner, a dentist, and some others over a couple months in advance having met them through social media. I got their WhatsApp, Instagram or FB and spent a fair deal of time making a personal connection with them, all "normal" people. Yet I reached the conclusion that my mission objective was to monger as much as possible and not date or find a girlfriend. After all said and done I was on the ground for 3 1/2 days and given the goal to satisfy my thirst as much as possible my approach had to accommodate this timeframe. That's why I abandoned the original social media approach.

[QUOTE=Parks292;2253390]Hesitating between these places.

I know Tijuana well and have been several times. My system is perfectly set up that I can bang 10 chicks a day if I want to there, without moving from the hotel. But I'm a bit bored of Tijuana and want to explore new horizons LOL.

-Not looking for GFE or flirting / picking up non-pros.

-Only looking for pros, and don't like to move around too much. It's all about getting many girls a day, without wasting time, straight to the point.

-My budget is flexible.

-I enjoy my comfort aka having a nice hotel close to everything.

-Spanish level. Intermediate.

Did a bit of research and I'm open to both places (Medellin: casas + strip clubs) or Sosua (bars). Input? Thanks![/QUOTE]I've been to all 3 places many times. I love all of them. All of them have a unique aspect To them. Tijuana like you says has quick easy centralized fun. Sosua has the beach, clubs and overnight stays. Medellin has the city life Casas, strip clubs, bars and clubs. I recommend all three and go to the one that you have a craving for.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;2253349]I met a "normal" chick in person once.
If I were in the city for more than a month or two, I'd be all over the normal girl track.[/QUOTE]A few years ago, I passed by a ridiculously hot girl in Panama standing outside the Trump casino talking to a friend. Seeing her, you'd never guess she was P4 P. You would guess some high-roller's girlfriend, wife or daughter. I eventually found out that she was P4 P and spent 2 nights with her. This girl was enthusiastically into anything and everything. Before leaving she connected to me on facebook with her real profile (family, friends, pets, dates, etc). I've glanced at her profile over the past few years and basically this girl's life outside of whatever time she spent / spends in Panama is "normal".

My point being. When prostitution is legal. I suspect most hot girls have used P4P (at least as a side gig) to supplement their income. Especially if they have kids.

[QUOTE=Youratlman;2253814]I've been to all 3 places many times. I love all of them. All of them have a unique aspect To them. Tijuana like you says has quick easy centralized fun. Sosua has the beach, clubs and overnight stays. Medellin has the city life Casas, strip clubs, bars and clubs. I recommend all three and go to the one that you have a craving for.[/QUOTE]I ditto these statements to the tee! As I resided in years past in LOS Angeles I have spent considerable time from about 1999 to 2004 then again from 2009 through about 2016 in Tijuana, many many fine memories and some of the girls from long past at AB and HK I am still in contact from time to time if nothing else just to say Hello,.

Well also spent 2 weeks in Sosua about a year ago but as many of you know I reside in Medellin for the past 4 or 5 years, all 3 are different but my heart is, at least for the time being, centered on Medellin.

My advice is visit them all, I am glad I went to Cuba 3 years ago and Rio a few decades ago, heck don't rest just go do it and experience it.

Have fun!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Parks292;2253390]

-Not looking for GFE or flirting / picking up non-pros.

-Only looking for pros, and don't like to move around too much. It's all about getting many girls a day, without wasting time, straight to the point.
[/QUOTE]I think you should consider Santa Fe, Bogota.

[QUOTE=JamesPearle;2253953]My point being. When prostitution is legal. I suspect most hot girls have used P4P (at least as a side gig) to supplement their income. Especially if they have kids.[/QUOTE]That is a ridiculous assumption.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2254246]That is a ridiculous assumption.[/QUOTE]I tend to agree if it is legal more women will use it as an outlet for income because they don't feel like they are doing anything wrong. Morally maybe but legally they can't be reprimanded.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2254188]I think you should consider Santa Fe, Bogota.[/QUOTE]Or The Mansion.

Check out the fares. I did for February. Copa airlines from LOS Angeles and from Chicago.

[QUOTE=Parks292;2253390]Hesitating between these places.

-Only looking for pros, and don't like to move around too much. It's all about getting many girls a day, without wasting time, straight to the point.

-My budget is flexible.

-I enjoy my comfort aka having a nice hotel close to everything.

-Spanish level. Intermediate.

Did a bit of research and I'm open to both places (Medellin: casas + strip clubs) or Sosua (bars). Input? Thanks![/QUOTE]An option in Medellin is the point-and-click convenience of the pros on Photoprepago (maybe even milerotics). Many of them visit your hotel or apt. Can also verify their looks via Skype or whatsapp.

Some academic study show influential factors including law, economic condition, region, etc. I remember educational factor is controversial. I guess quality of men is influential too.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2254246]That is a ridiculous assumption.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Parks292;2253390]Hesitating between these places.

I know Tijuana well and have been several times. My system is perfectly set up that I can bang 10 chicks a day if I want to there, without moving from the hotel. But I'm a bit bored of Tijuana and want to explore new horizons LOL.

-Not looking for GFE or flirting / picking up non-pros.

-Only looking for pros, and don't like to move around too much. It's all about getting many girls a day, without wasting time, straight to the point.

-My budget is flexible.

-I enjoy my comfort aka having a nice hotel close to everything.

-Spanish level. Intermediate.

Did a bit of research and I'm open to both places (Medellin: casas + strip clubs) or Sosua (bars). Input? Thanks![/QUOTE]If you want Tijuana, go to Tijuana. Anywhere else you won't find what you find in Tijuana. Too many guys complain that the new place they tried wasn't like the place they were used to.

It's been a few years since I visited Sosua. I had a good time, but I wasn't especially thrilled. The girls tend to be too pushy for my tastes. Being a bit forward is great. I appreciate a girl that can give me a look and let me know she's ready for me. I don't care for girls that are constantly grabbing or begging. The touts were easier to get rid of than some of the girls. One girl who I wasn't interested in my first night, approached me every time she saw me, begged, whined and complained. It didn't matter what I was doing either.

Medellin is a completely different animal. They have malls that are almost the size of Sosua. By my rating, 70% of the appropriate aged women in Sosua were 5's or 6's. In Medellin 70% are 7's, 8's or 9's.

There's a little game I play. Call it "would I hit it?" Walk around where the people are and count the women in the 18-35 range. Adjust ages for your preference. For each one, would you consider fucking her? Be honest. We've all lowered our standards a time or two. In the US, except for a few locations, I consistently score 3. That means for every 10 women in the age range, I'd only fuck 3. In Sosua, I'd put the number between 4 and 5. In Medellin, I consistently scored 7 or 8.

Those are numbers for normal locations, except for Sosua. There are no normal locations in Sosua. Walking through Raudal and Veracruz in Medellin, I score 3, sometimes less.

Advantages for Sosua: almost anywhere is close to everything. Hotel Europa is the farthest away and it's just a short walk.

Disadvantage: there's a mandatory negotiation process for each girl. Also, daytime your options are limited.

Advantages for Medellin: plenty of options day and night. Daytime there are several casas, with onsite rooms, all within walking distance of each other. That gives you 50-100 women to choose from within about a 5 block radius. At night there are several strip clubs within walking distance, depending on your comfort level, with onsite rooms and plenty of women to choose from. Then there are the online ads, photosprepagos and mileroticos. Add in a few hundred more options day or night. Prices range from $17-$70.

Disadvantage: If you want a nice, upscale hotel, you'll be staying away from the main action. There also may be issues with having guests. If you want to stay close to the action, a 2 star hotel is about the best you can get. However, if you get a nice hotel in Laureles, close to the Metro, you can be where the action is, in under 15 minutes, for less than $1.

If you're interested in high numbers, without a lot of wasted time, the casas in Medellin are probably your best bet. You could find 3 of your desired 10 a day in one casa. No negotiation, no pick up. Just sit down, pick one out of the lineup.

[QUOTE=JamesPearle;2253953]My point being. When prostitution is legal. I suspect most hot girls have used P4P (at least as a side gig) to supplement their income. Especially if they have kids.[/QUOTE]Agreed.

South Koreans eats between 800,000-1,000,000 dogs a year. To eat dog there would may be frowned upon but acceptable. But in most Western countries you would be shunned and lose many friends. Same with Balot / Balut in the Philippines. I find it disgusting. But there it is normal and sold all over. Smoking marijuana in USA was looked upon very poorly when I was a kid, now it is becoming legal and normal, and in a few years it will be expected if you want to be cool. So the more people that do something the more accepted it is.

Hot Colombian women get hit on every day and know at least one hot friend, family member, or co-worker that has done P4P so it would be somewhat easy to accepted it and try it. If some guy she wants to sex says not only is he interested but is willing to sweeten the pot by paying her or buying her something. Then she now has two reasons to go for it and two excuses if her friends disagree. She can say she wanted to sex him anyways or take the other route and say I only sexed him for the money. Whatever excuse fits her needs. Very far from being ridiculous.

For me, if some chick I think looks kinda cute and has a great personality but chubby body that I am not really interested in offers me $100 USD to bang her. I might just do it because I am bored, too lazy to hunt that night, need the money, turned on because she wants me that bad, and / or I am just doing Gods work to help the less physically beautiful women.

[QUOTE=KainNYC;2250080]We will be in Medellin February, and March of 2019. Let me know if you would like to join! Newbies welcomed.[/QUOTE]I'll be rolling into town on Jan 6th. Jan 19th. Going to spend 3 nights at The M and then have a 2 bedroom VRBO ground zero in Parque L for 9 nights.

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2255205]I'll be rolling into town on Jan 6th. Jan 19th. Going to spend 3 nights at The M and then have a 2 bedroom VRBO ground zero in Parque L for 9 nights.[/QUOTE]When you are done with Ground Zero at Parque LLeras, go to the real Ground Zero, El Centro, then compare notes.

El Mechanico.

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;2255343]When you are done with Ground Zero at Parque LLeras, go to the real Ground Zero, El Centro, then compare notes.

El Mechanico.[/QUOTE]Why do you say that. I get that some apartment owner / leasers are a bit hokey with the ground zero mirage they paint renting Lleres apartments but Centro seems like a relatively low rent scene by day and by night only several well known strip clubs and I imagine a few other less populated establishments. My perception is you have to always be on guard and the streets at night are truly dangerous. To me ground zero seems like the center of the action. Lleres would be considered center of or ground zero of Medellin's paisa locals scene but surely less opportunity for mongers than a single club like Fase. True? Centro seems like a scene all to itself but not a large scene.

I need to buckle up and go next week.

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2255607]Why do you say that. I get that some apartment owner / leasers are a bit hokey with the ground zero mirage they paint renting Lleres apartments but Centro seems like a relatively low rent scene by day and by night only several well known strip clubs and I imagine a few other less populated establishments. My perception is you have to always be on guard and the streets at night are truly dangerous. To me ground zero seems like the center of the action. Lleres would be considered center of or ground zero of Medellin's paisa locals scene but surely less opportunity for mongers than a single club like Fase. True? Centro seems like a scene all to itself but not a large scene.

I need to buckle up and go next week.[/QUOTE]I just replied to your PM. Maybe if PL is Ground Zero then El Centro is the Heart of the Beast. There are at least 6 MPs within a 2 block radius of Hotel Botero Plaza & Iglesia VeraCruz is about a less than 10 minute walk from there. Let us know how you do, thanks in advance and as usual, stay vigilant.

El Mechanico.

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2255607] My perception is you have to always be on guard and the streets at night are truly dangerous.

I need to buckle up and go next week.[/QUOTE]You also have to be on guard at Lleras. Lots of pickpockets or prepagos trying to drug you. I almost had a mal parido pickpocket my cell phone. He was very slick.

He tried to distract me with a big pamphlet of shit and tried to rob my cell phone from my front pocket while looking at me in the eyes. I actually respect him for that and almost wanted to give him a tip😂 anyone can rob someone from the back or with a weapon. But it takes balls and cunning to look someone in the eyes and try to rob them face-to-face. He almost succeeded to but luckily I automatically moved my hands to my pockets and felt that he was trying to take my cell. My advice is when someone is coming close to you. Always have your hand on your valuables.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2255026]Agreed.

South Koreans eats between 800,000-1,000,000 dogs a year. To eat dog there would may be frowned upon but acceptable. But in most Western countries you would be shunned and lose many friends. Same with Balot / Balut in the Philippines. I find it disgusting. But there it is normal and sold all over. Smoking marijuana in USA was looked upon very poorly when I was a kid, now it is becoming legal and normal, and in a few years it will be expected if you want to be cool. So the more people that do something the more accepted it is.

Hot Colombian women get hit on every day and know at least one hot friend, family member, or co-worker that has done P4P so it would be somewhat easy to accepted it and try it. If some guy she wants to sex says not only is he interested but is willing to sweeten the pot by paying her or buying her something. Then she now has two reasons to go for it and two excuses if her friends disagree. She can say she wanted to sex him anyways or take the other route and say I only sexed him for the money. Whatever excuse fits her needs. Very far from being ridiculous.

For me, if some chick I think looks kinda cute and has a great personality but chubby body that I am not really interested in offers me $100 USD to bang her. I might just do it because I am bored, too lazy to hunt that night, need the money, turned on because she wants me that bad, and / or I am just doing Gods work to help the less physically beautiful women.[/QUOTE]There's one word you need to learn and add before this makes any sense: "some."

"Some hot Colombian women get hit on every day."

"Some hot Colombian women know at least one hot friend, family member or co-worker who has done P4P."

I can guarantee that not all hot Colombian women will find it easy to accept P4P. They will not all try to justify it to their friends. They will not all make excuses to their friends to justify it.

I know a few hot Colombian women. I shared an apartment with 1 for 10 months. I worked with several others. I talked with, drank with and hung out with several more. Some of them have no problem with P4P. Some of them know girls who do P4P. And some of them will either slap you in the face, kick you in the balls or scream bloody murder if you offer them money or some gift for sex.

Here's the trap too many mongers fall into: they start to think every woman in whatever country is a prostitute. They try to rationalize it, because all the women they spend time with accept money for sex. Whether it's legal or not, it's not universally acceptable.

Trying to convince people that any hot Colombian woman will be happy to be offered money for sex is not only ridiculous, it's dangerous. There are a lot of Colombian women who don't like being treated like prostitutes and a lot of Colombian men who don't like foreigners treating their wives, girlfriends, sisters or cousins like prostitutes.

It's quite simple. If you see a Colombian you are interested in, say Hello,. Talk to them. Colombians are generally friendly. If they seem interested, try inviting them to lunch or coffee. Talk, have a conversation and see where it goes. If she's interested in having sex with you, she'll let you know. If she's willing to take money from you and pretend to be interested in having sex with you, she'll let you know.

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2255607]Why do you say that. I get that some apartment owner / leasers are a bit hokey with the ground zero mirage they paint renting Lleres apartments but Centro seems like a relatively low rent scene by day and by night only several well known strip clubs and I imagine a few other less populated establishments. My perception is you have to always be on guard and the streets at night are truly dangerous. To me ground zero seems like the center of the action. Lleres would be considered center of or ground zero of Medellin's paisa locals scene but surely less opportunity for mongers than a single club like Fase. True? Centro seems like a scene all to itself but not a large scene.

I need to buckle up and go next week.[/QUOTE]I think he says that because Parque Lleras isn't ground zero. Unless the action you're looking for is old gringos, who seek out other old gringos to complain that there are too many gringos.

Parque Lleras is a nice area. It's an area where you can act like you do at home and get away with it. There are plenty of restaurants, mostly overpriced. There are plenty of clubs with overpriced drinks. If you hang out late at night there are several women, mostly overpriced, who will be happy to take some of your money.

No. Ground zero is definitely El Centro. There are 8 or 9 strip clubs (although only 3 get mentioned), 15-20 casas (only a few get mentioned), a few blocks of streetwalkers and 30 or 40 bars where women of negotiable affection hang out. During the day, there's shopping, for anything you can imagine. Need a live chicken? An industrial sewing machine? A wrought iron gate? Anything you want, need or can think of, there are a dozen stores in El Centro selling it. There's museums and parks and restaurants.

Yes, El Centro can be dangerous. You can't pretend you're walking down the Las Vegas strip at 3 am. It's not a good place to be drunk and stupid.

Parque Lleras isn't the center of the local Paisa scene. When my friend's family came to visit for Christmas last year, where do you think they wanted to go? El Centro. They wanted to see the heart of the city, not another zona rosa. A lot of Paisas go to Lleras for special occasions, but most will go to a different area for their regular entertainment. There's a local scene in Bello, Boston, Envigado, 3 or more in Laureles, 1 or 2 in Itagui and at least 2 in El Centro.

The difficult thing about centro for most people is knowing which streets you can walk on and which ones you can't. It was hard for me until Vegas Jeff walked me through through the city. You could be walking along the street and just have to know that you should not cross onto the other side.

Another thing is that streets change from being safe during the day and dangerous at night. For example the street that the police station is on, safe during the day and dangerous at night. With exception of the block the station is on as the police block off the street with personnel posted everywhere so that you can only walk it.

Want to get mugged? Walk around at dusk with flip flops and shorts.


Vegas Jeff's theory is that Lleras was more dangerous for being mugged. Muggers are not on their turf and hence are a little more edgy/nervous. As such, any wrong moves, fast moves, sudden moves can trigger catastrophic events such as shootings or stabblings.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2255780]Here's the trap too many mongers fall into: they start to think every woman in whatever country is a prostitute. They try to rationalize it, because all the women they spend time with accept money for sex. Whether it's legal or not, it's not universally acceptable.[/QUOTE]Funny thing how mfs spend time on a corner full of hookers then they know the entire country is full of hookers. Same thing used to happen in Rio. When you get out and meet regular people you tend to know better. In Colombia I have fucked way more women that are not hookers than women that are hookers.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2254984]If you want Tijuana, go to Tijuana. Anywhere else you won't find what you find in Tijuana...[/QUOTE]I think I am fairly familiar with both Tijuana and Medellin. I have taken a good many mongering trips to both places, and I enjoyed both. No reason to expect the same type of fun in every city. Each place has its own unique characteristics, but can be enjoyed equally.

Likewise, I went to Sosua once and I enjoyed my time there.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2255926]I think I am fairly familiar with both Tijuana and Medellin. I have taken a good many mongering trips to both places, and I enjoyed both. No reason to expect the same type of fun in every city. Each place has its own unique characteristics, but can be enjoyed equally.

Likewise, I went to Sosua once and I enjoyed my time there.[/QUOTE]Certainly. Each place can be great, but each place is different. That's what some people don't understand. The difference can throw some people off. For example, in Sosua you just say no to a bunch of women until you spot one you want. In a lot of places in Medellin, you can be surrounded by hookers and other than a few looks and smiles most of them will just wait for you to make a move.

Jjbee62,

I never meant to imply every girl is a hooker. My point was (1) That if your friends partake in certain things that you have not then you are more apt to try also. Example is I know guys that would never eat Balut in their countries but after seeing so many girls eat it they decided to try it. It does not mean everyone will, or they will do it regularly. (2) If the society you are visiting accepts certain things that you are more apt to try it. Example is I would never try a prostitute in my country but would in another because I do not want to shit where I eat. Ever hear the saying, " When In Rome"?

Think of this. A girl from the farmlands comes to the big city is not going to try prostitution. It is foreign and scary thought to her. But a sales lady with a booth next to a short time hotel talks to some of her customers from time to time who happen to be street. The sales lady hears how much money is made and seen that several of the guys actually look handsome. She thinks maybe sometime I will try it if a handsome guy were to hit on her. In my example, I am not saying all sales ladies are for sale am I?

Let me further clarify. Hot sexy women in the "Play Areas" such as discos, bars, Parque Lleras are hit on every night I am sure. I did not mean every girl walking down the average street.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2256158]The sales lady hears how much money is made and seen that several of the guys actually look handsome. She thinks maybe sometime I will try it if a handsome guy were to hit on her. In my example, I am not saying all sales ladies are for sale am I?[/QUOTE]No. But you are still not making sense. You are assuming that money is everything and morals are nothing. If a handsome guy hit on her maybe she will be thinking that she would like to be in a stable relationship and would like to go out with the guy to find out what he is about. I know plenty of girls that will fuck guys because they want to fuck and will not accept money for fucking BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT HOOKERS!

One of my girls in Peru keeps asking when I am going to have friends come with me because she wants to be tied up and gangbanged. But that does not mean she wants to use it as a money making opportunity, because she is simply not a hooker.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2256247]No. But you are still not making sense. You are assuming that money is everything and morals are nothing. If a handsome guy hit on her maybe she will be thinking that she would like to be in a stable relationship and would like to go out with the guy to find out what he is about. I know plenty of girls that will fuck guys because they want to fuck and will not accept money for fucking BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT HOOKERS!

One of my girls in Peru keeps asking when I am going to have friends come with me because she wants to be tied up and gangbanged. But that does not mean she wants to use it as a money making opportunity, because she is simply not a hooker.[/QUOTE]It's heartening to know that there are still girls with this kind of upstanding morals!

Anyone know any gals that can DT? Send me a PM or share with the team. Love the Colombian ladies but BJ's don't seem to be their forte.

[QUOTE=Youratlman;2253814]I've been to all 3 places many times. I love all of them. All of them have a unique aspect To them. Tijuana like you says has quick easy centralized fun. Sosua has the beach, clubs and overnight stays. Medellin has the city life Casas, strip clubs, bars and clubs. I recommend all three and go to the one that you have a craving for.[/QUOTE]Appreciate the input. Can't lie, definitely leaning toward Medellin.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2254066]I ditto these statements to the tee! As I resided in years past in LOS Angeles I have spent considerable time from about 1999 to 2004 then again from 2009 through about 2016 in Tijuana, many many fine memories and some of the girls from long past at AB and HK I am still in contact from time to time if nothing else just to say Hello,.

Well also spent 2 weeks in Sosua about a year ago but as many of you know I reside in Medellin for the past 4 or 5 years, all 3 are different but my heart is, at least for the time being, centered on Medellin..[/QUOTE]Thanks! Where would you advise staying at in Medellin? I don't mind paying a bit more for something central near the action (casas, stripclubs) and nicer.

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;2254468]Or The Mansion.[/QUOTE]Looking into that, didn't find much info on the mansion online.

[QUOTE=TadaiMaybe;2254620]An option in Medellin is the point-and-click convenience of the pros on Photoprepago (maybe even milerotics). Many of them visit your hotel or apt. Can also verify their looks via Skype or whatsapp.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I'm coming from Canada where escorts are pretty common so not looking for so much of that in Medellin.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2254984]If you want Tijuana, go to Tijuana. Anywhere else you won't find what you find in Tijuana. Too many guys complain that the new place they tried wasn't like the place they were used to.

It's been a few years since I visited Sosua. I had a good time, but I wasn't especially thrilled. The girls tend to be too pushy for my tastes. Being a bit forward is great. I appreciate a girl that can give me a look and let me know she's ready for me. I don't care for girls that are constantly grabbing or begging. The touts were easier to get rid of than some of the girls. One girl who I wasn't interested in my first night, approached me every time she saw me, begged, whined and complained. It didn't matter what I was doing either.

Medellin is a completely different animal. They have malls that are almost the size of Sosua. By my rating, 70% of the appropriate aged women in Sosua were 5's or 6's. In Medellin 70% are 7's, 8's or 9's.

There's a little game I play. Call it "would I hit it?" Walk around where the people are and count the women in the 18-35 range. Adjust ages for your preference. For each one, would you consider fucking her? Be honest. We've all lowered our standards a time or two. In the US, except for a few locations, I consistently score 3. That means for every 10 women in the age range, I'd only fuck 3. In Sosua, I'd put the number between 4 and 5. In Medellin, I consistently scored 7 or 8..[/QUOTE]Thanks for this info, much appreciated. Sounds like casas during the day and strip clubs at night is the way to go (not interested too much in escorts, I have that back at home). Which hotels would you recommend, right in the action?

By the way, I tried to send a PM but am unable to do so. Anyone know why?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2255780]There's one word you need to learn and add before this makes any sense: "some."

"Some hot Colombian women get hit on every day."

"Some hot Colombian women know at least one hot friend, family member or co-worker who has done P4P."

I can guarantee that not all hot Colombian women will find it easy to accept P4P. They will not all try to justify it to their friends. They will not all make excuses to their friends to justify it.

I know a few hot Colombian women. I shared an apartment with 1 for 10 months. I worked with several others. I talked with, drank with and hung out with several more. Some of them have no problem with P4P. Some of them know girls who do P4P. And some of them will either slap you in the face, kick you in the balls or scream bloody murder if you offer them money or some gift for sex.

Here's the trap too many mongers fall into: they start to think every woman in whatever country is a prostitute. They try to rationalize it, because all the women they spend time with accept money for sex. Whether it's legal or not, it's not universally acceptable.

Trying to convince people that any hot Colombian woman will be happy to be offered money for sex is not only ridiculous, it's dangerous. There are a lot of Colombian women who don't like being treated like prostitutes and a lot of Colombian men who don't like foreigners treating their wives, girlfriends, sisters or cousins like prostitutes.

It's quite simple. If you see a Colombian you are interested in, say Hello,. Talk to them. Colombians are generally friendly. If they seem interested, try inviting them to lunch or coffee. Talk, have a conversation and see where it goes. If she's interested in having sex with you, she'll let you know. If she's willing to take money from you and pretend to be interested in having sex with you, she'll let you know.[/QUOTE]Excellent response.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2255780]There's one word you need to learn and add before this makes any sense: "some."
(....)
Here's the trap too many mongers fall into: they start to think every woman in whatever country is a prostitute. They try to rationalize it, because all the women they spend time with accept money for sex. Whether it's legal or not, it's not universally acceptable.
(....)[/QUOTE]Excellent, excellent response (yes, I like to repeat).

Let me add: SOME men go mongering, SOME men find acceptable to pay for play.

Now imagine a girl from Gusto or Mansion who comes to meet you in your home town in Arizona (an example, I don't know where you or the OP are from). She meets you at lunch, at the diner out of your Church after the Sunday celebration, and begins to make propostions to everyone, assuming that all gringoes are the same style mongerers she is used to meet in MDE.

To be frank, I bet not even a single girl I met in my regular business life in Medellin would be happy to hear me offering money in change of sex favours. I recommend to be very cautious.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2256649]Now imagine a girl from Gusto or Mansion who comes to meet you in your home town in Arizona (an example, I don't know where you or the OP are from). She meets you at lunch, at the diner out of your Church after the Sunday celebration, and begins to make propostions to everyone, assuming that all gringoes are the same style mongerers she is used to meet in MDE.
[/QUOTE]LOL. You are crazy man. I just don't see the logic. You are out searching for hookers and finding hookers. How does that mean the women that you are not searching for that are not hookers, want to be hookers as well? That is when it is time to step away from the hobby for a minute.

So does the elusive mansion have a website. Or where can I find relevant info on them (without having to go back over the history of this board)?

[QUOTE=Joe100;2256800]So does the elusive mansion have a website. Or where can I find relevant info on them (without having to go back over the history of this board)?[/QUOTE]I believe this is their website.

[URL]http://hotelmedellinplaza.com/[/URL]

There is a Mansion sub-forum here:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3119-Casa-Blanca-Medellin[/URL]

[QUOTE=Joe100;2256800]So does the elusive mansion have a website. Or where can I find relevant info on them (without having to go back over the history of this board)?[/QUOTE]Website is [URL]www.hotelmedellinplaza.com[/URL] It only shows the rooms and prices & reservations. No mention of " other activities".

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2256247]No. But you are still not making sense. You are assuming that money is everything and morals are nothing. If a handsome guy hit on her maybe she will be thinking that she would like to be in a stable relationship and would like to go out with the guy to find out what he is about. I know plenty of girls that will fuck guys because they want to fuck and will not accept money for fucking BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT HOOKERS!

One of my girls in Peru keeps asking when I am going to have friends come with me because she wants to be tied up and gangbanged. But that does not mean she wants to use it as a money making opportunity, because she is simply not a hooker.[/QUOTE]Some times hookers aren't even hookers.

I befriended a younger gringo a few years ago in Medellin. I saw him out with a chick that I knew to be a prepago. The next time I saw the guy I asked him how it went with the chick he was with. And he told me that she was cool but that she didn't put out on the first date.

I said "What? That chick is a prepago".

The guy didn't believe me. So I showed him some pics I had of her and then he believed me.

The guy told me "why didn't she just tell me. I would have paid her. ".

So the guy calls the chick up and makes her an offer and she denies she is a hooker. Says she has no idea what he is talking about. And then she called me up and cursed me out like I have never been cursed out before.

Even chicks that are hookers are only hookers when they want to be.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2256778]LOL. You are crazy man.[/QUOTE]I tend to agree on this, but, apart from that, my point (I admit the paradox was too strong maybe) was to reinforce the concept that [I]just some[/I] Colombian girls are hookers (a small minority actually), as well as [I]just some[/I] men are in our hobby.
Our mindset is not to be generalized.

I wish to travel to Peru with you, BTW.

MedellinGringo,

I feel bad that the young guy did not know she was prepago and his bubble was burst. She must have really liked him to give it for free and to cuss the other guy out for ratting her out. Kinda proves my point is that you never know about people. I am sure most of the co-workers, friends, and family of the guys on this very board assume we (here on ISG) are all good wholesome guys. For all you guys that say BS, please explain why your board name is not your real name (first and last)? Most women are working girls you just need to find the right price. In USA, I am sure if I walked up to a woman and offered her a car up to $50,000 for sex that 80% would jump at the chance. You just need to prove that 1. You will pay and 2. Nobody will find out.

My first time in Medellin, this is a guide for newbie like me with little Spanish based on my one time experience. I think I don't see the full picture of the girls offered but I have a good idea of the service and hardware offered so that will be the emphasis of this report. I break up my reports by category so I can complete them one by one, this is for massage places.

If you don't know Spanish, you need to know these words: fria (cold), caliente (hot), ducha (shower). None of the 3 places has reliable hot water. I shower in cold water most of the times.

[B]New Life[/B]
[LIST][*]Ring the bell[/*]
[*]A man on the second floor patio asked "chica"?[/*]
[*]I was invited to sit in a semi enclosed area with bench seat.[/*]
[*]The man converse with me using a translator app.[/*]
[*]Girls came one by one to shake my hand and tell me their names.[/*]
[*]I pick the 3rd without seeing the whole line up. I think her name is Solamin or something like that. Next time I will see the whole line up first.[/*]
[*]The chosen girl came to take you to a room.[/*]
[*]Shower by myself.[/*]
[*]Have sex (I suggest to avoid any upsell if you don't have Spanish).[/*]
[*]Pay at the counter after finish.[/*][/LIST]
I think because it was late so they forgot to ask if I want to order a drink.

In the room I quickly agree to BBBJ for 50 K. She asked if I was clean when I was already showered and naked on the bed. Strange question but I replied yes, and used the translator app to confirm. After a long pause, I asked what is included in the 50 K /30 minutes. She said massage, BJ, sex, all covered. I said I just want that and don't want extra. This got her attention. She brought the price down to 40 K. I said no. She lowered to 30 K. I decided to play with her so I said 20 K. She insisted 30 K was the lowest and I agreed. The sex part is so so, and I am ready to pack and go home, LOL.

The lesson I learned from the interaction is if the girl plays dumb, ask what is included to take control of the situation.

[B] Energy[/B]
[LIST][*]It is on a busy street. The doormat has the word "energy" on it.[/*]
[*]One by one girl came out to show her body tell me her number and name in Spanish. I like a few of them.[/*]
[*]I pick 45 because she is cute and she emphasize her number in English to me. 27 yrs old.[/*]
[*]Pay 153 K for the service and the coke.[/*]
[*]45 came out to take me to the room.[/*]
[*]Shower together.[/*][*]Sex[/*][*]Leave[/*][/LIST]
After shower, she gave me a body slide and ask me to look into the mirror while she was doing it.

Next we got into doggy position, she asked me to grab her hair to ride her like riding a horse. That is the best I can describe it. I think you should get the idea what kind of session this is. It was fun but I could not last long and had to pause from time to time because she the hand job she gave me before already bring me close to the edge. It was a really fun session.

[B]Loutron[/B]

I got there by metro and taxi. Don't be dropped off on the main street, ask the driver to turn right into the road to take you all the way to the top to Loutron.
[LIST][*]The place is mansion. I am asked to sit on the sofa behind a screen.[/*]
[*]Order a coke.[/*]
[*]One by one girl came out to show her body tell me her number and name in Spanish. Again, there are several I liked.[/*]
[*]I picked Fernanda, 31 yr old.[/*]
[*]Pay 295 K for one hour service and the coke.[/*]
[*]Fernanda took me to the room.[/*]
[*]Cold shower by myself, can't get hot water working.[/*]
[*]Sex.[/*]
[*]Leave after sex using the on site driver. The driver uses a "Meter" app on his phone which costs more than 22 K to the nearest metro. You should negotiate the price to about 10 K before taking it.[/*][/LIST]
There is not much to write about the service except Fernanda is nice. She rubbed my back and play my balls a little, then sex, that's it.

My conclusion is that I will be back only for FS but I won't be back to these places for massage. I think Loutron has the best looking girls, but is way overpriced for what is offered. I got a (used?) wet towel, the hot water took forever to come so I have cold water shower.

I am Chinese. I will make a comparison to give newbie a context. I rate the sexual massage part of the service before actual sex to be 3 at most in the above places. In Bangkok MPs that are operated by Japanese with at least one Japanese manager on site, I consistently get 8 to 10. If you been there or have experienced Chinese style sauna, then you know what I am talking about.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2256901]Some times hookers aren't even hookers.

I befriended a younger gringo a few years ago in Medellin. I saw him out with a chick that I knew to be a prepago. The next time I saw the guy I asked him how it went with the chick he was with. And he told me that she was cool but that she didn't put out on the first date.

I said "What? That chick is a prepago".

The guy didn't believe me. So I showed him some pics I had of her and then he believed me.

The guy told me "why didn't she just tell me. I would have paid her. ".

So the guy calls the chick up and makes her an offer and she denies she is a hooker. Says she has no idea what he is talking about. And then she called me up and cursed me out like I have never been cursed out before.

Even chicks that are hookers are only hookers when they want to be.[/QUOTE]Your friend's behavior is quite astounding. He's gotten to first base with a chica many men would be willing to pay for and is well on his way to unlimited free sex. Then he intentionally screws it all up by offering to pay for each and every future session?

[QUOTE=Joe100;2256800]So does the elusive mansion have a website. Or where can I find relevant info on them (without having to go back over the history of this board)?[/QUOTE]I stayed in M2 about two years ago so this info may be dated. Both M1 and M2 are converted mansions. They are huge. The bedrooms have been converted into hotels rooms with private baths. They are not that well-kept and could use some touch-ups and maybe even renovations. But they are far from run-down or dingy. M1 and M2 are about a 5-8 minute walk apart. M1 is definitely the more desirable location since that is where the chicas hang out during the day at the pool. Hence it sells out way faster than M2. Chicas don't hang out at M2 at all. They just go there for a session and leave.

The basement of M1 there is a homemade bar called "La Cueva." Only registered guests and invited chicas may enter. I like this entrance policy as it keeps away the riff-raff from the streets and feels more like a private club. The bar itself is about what you'd expect if a wealthy homeowner converted his basement into a bar. It is adequate for its purpose. It opens in the evening, I forget what time and closes early morning. Drinks are cheap. The chica drinks are priced the same as monger drinks. The bartender often will give away shots of Don Julio throughout the evening. The bartender during my visit, Carolina, was absolutely stunning and ruined my appetite for the other chicas. She was the GF of one of the owners so strictly off-limits. I would have paid $600 USD for an hour-she was that stunning. And I'm cheaper than 90% of the mongers on this board.

If you're in MDE strictly to monger with convenience, Mansion may be your best option. It can't get more convenient than in-house putas. While I was there, weeknights in La Cueva there would be around 8-12 chicas. Friday night maybe 25-30. Saturday night it was dead, maybe 5, because that is considered "date night" and the putas are out with their real novios. I will say the chicas were the vast majority 18-20 y / o. And they acted their age, all giggly and kind of stupid. I would happily stay there again if not for the high cost. Rooms approached $100 USD / night. I stayed at a new, clean hotel in Centro earlier in my trip for $11 USD / night. I can't justify the extra cost of staying at Mansion again, especially since I enjoy hitting the strip clubs and my Spanish is more than adequate.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2256901]....................So the guy calls the chick up and makes her an offer and she denies she is a hooker. Says she has no idea what he is talking about. And then she called me up and cursed me out like I have never been cursed out before......................[/QUOTE]I totally agree with the girl. Its best the guy learn from experience.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2257050]I am sure most of the co-workers, friends, and family of the guys on this very board assume we (here on ISG) are all good wholesome guys. For all you guys that say BS, please explain why your board name is not your real name (first and last)?[/QUOTE]Sure? Really? Well I have mongered with coworkers, friends and relatives, so... The first thing me, my dad, my cousin, and my uncle did when I got out of Navy bootcamp in San Diego umpteen years ago was go to Tijuana looking for hookers. My dad has been to Medellin, Bogota, Rio, Dominican Republic, Cuba, Philippines, and Thailand with me SEVERAL TIMES. Several board members have met my dad.

My mom and her sisters have been in the clubs in Pattaya with me. My brother is on the way here to Thailand in 3 days. My other 2 brothers have already been here several times. Boardmember Tomjackin met one of my female coworkers when we ran into him in Hong Kong Club in Tijuana. And after that me and her went and got a street girl together.

Someone would not put their real name here because there is more to worry about than coworkers, friends, and family. Hell. A coworker is the one who told me about ISG. I wouldn't have even known the website existed. Nobody here is doing nothing special or nothing new under the sun.

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2257115]Your friend's behavior is quite astounding. He's gotten to first base with a chica many men would be willing to pay for and is well on his way to unlimited free sex. Then he intentionally screws it all up by offering to pay for each and every future session?[/QUOTE]I don't think so. He probably just wanted to fuck her and why spend all that time when she is probably available for around 50-70 USD?

It's not like he can't get on to the next one, and the next one might not be a prostitute which is available for relatively little money.

And who says that he wants to fuck her more than once?

This was my last trip to Medellin this year and my 17 time this year being in Colombia. After all of those trips to Medellin you build up a list of girls who will do and want do. I've invested more money in Medellin than I ever thought I would have invested in one city outside of the USA So since October 4th, I have been communicating with several girls I met, several girls who live near my Condo in Robledo and several girls I met in the neighborhood of my girlfriend. So I lined up these 3 sisters, 3 blood sisters, same mom, and same dad. How do I know, my girlfriend told me they were sisters, their Cedula's all have the same last name and they all look a like, very much alike. If you like chics under 5 ft, with or without a big ass, or with some meat on their bones or without any meat on their bones (Spinner), then one of the sisters is for you.

I called the main sister on whatsapp and made it very clear to her about what I expected. I was not shy about everything that I wanted, I told them that I wanted them to have sex with each other, I wanted them to eat each other out and I wanted them to allow me to bang one sister while the other two sisters licked me clean. I allowed them to give me their price, and I countered. To actually bang 3 sisters at one time, this was a great time to be had. I actually kept the 3 sisters for 3 days and took my time and got them out of my system. I really banged them to pieces, I was exhausted, I mean straight up exhausted. Before anyone asks me, no I did not take them to my condo, and I did not get them from my neighborhood, but from my girlfriend's neighborhood. I don't mind reading all the clutter on the board, but when I first joined the board back in Feb of 2018, it was filled with information about available girls. No one was complaining about prices or Centro. I went to Poblado for the first time on this trip and ended up having to call the cops to get rid of a girl who was running a scam with the police and I still stood my ground and told that "chic" she wasn't getting paid if I decide that I no longer wanted to take her to bed. The chic was trying to run game and make me pay for session that I no longer wanted and no sex had taken place. Board members beware, I knew I should have stayed away from Gringoland "Poblado" This is what was said, she was willing to "service" me for an agreed amount and I also agreed, this is what she was telling the police. They tried to make me pay her and make me have sex with her because of our "verbal agreement!" so beware, I told her and the cops, I will give you 50 mil and nothing more, the arguing went back and forth until I flagged a taxi got in and left everyone there, I haven't seen or heard from the girl or the cops, but fellow board members beware, do not agree on a set amount until you are sure that you want to bang the chic. These chics are in bed with these local police, do not forget that, this only confirms my suspicions. Back to Centro I head, where I had a room. So I call up these two other sisters, get this, one of these vera cruz sisters, true blood sisters, is pregnant and doesn't want to let her sister see her fucking while she's pregnant. My sinister side took over and told me to offer them a little more than I normally offer for a threesome, this was a three and a halfsome. LOL no lie, no lie. I took my time and banged them for about 8 to 10 hours and then I told them they could leave. They were not the most beautiful of the girl's I have banged but how often do you get to bang two sisters and one is pregnant. Now get this, the three sisters that I banged, I had banged the 2 older sisters separately, but I found out that they had a younger sister and she turned 18 in August. I did not know that It took 2 months to receive your cedula in hand. So I told the main sister that if the 18 year old did not have her cedula before I arrived, I would not see any of the sisters at all. What do you know, the main sister sent me a copy of the cedula before I arrived in Medellin. A family full of loose women, I love it, I absolutely loved it. I respect a loose woman who has sisters that are loose, it tells me that the behavior is just in the genes. As always, I don't do the talking and complaining, I have pics and video, I just video catalog all of my adventures. If you want to peak and want information on these chics, just PM I will send you some pics and some edited video. You must have whatsapp, everything else is just too complicated to send pics and video. Happy mongering and enjoy Medellin until I return next year. I will do things differently in 2019, but 2018 was a blast. Thanks to all who helped me in my quest to learn Medellin, it is a beautiful city and it was a crazy year, you all be safe! PolloNegro is out.

[QUOTE=JamesPearle;2253953]A few years ago, I passed by a ridiculously hot girl in Panama standing outside the Trump casino talking to a friend. Seeing her, you'd never guess she was P4 P. You would guess some high-roller's girlfriend, wife or daughter. I eventually found out that she was P4 P and spent 2 nights with her. This girl was enthusiastically into anything and everything. Before leaving she connected to me on facebook with her real profile (family, friends, pets, dates, etc). I've glanced at her profile over the past few years and basically this girl's life outside of whatever time she spent / spends in Panama is "normal".

My point being. When prostitution is legal. I suspect most hot girls have used P4P (at least as a side gig) to supplement their income. Especially if they have kids.[/QUOTE]I will be in PC December 24-26. If anyone is interested in hunting together please let me know.

I am considering staying at the Hilton or Astoria, will I have any trouble bringing girls there?

James, any contact info for some of these girls that you can share?

For the first timer, it is best to find a seat by the wall in the strip club so you can observe girls coming and going. It is harder to see available girls if you sit near the stage.

[B]La Isla[/B]

I think you can only get there by car. You can leave the club via the door to the hotel to view the city from above outside. I saw the firework with everyone in the club at midnight and it was spectacular.
[LIST][*]Pay 10K cover to the bouncer at door, he will put a paper wrist bracelet on your wrist. [/*][*]Enter [/*][*]The bar is to the right by the entrance, the rest room is to your left. The entry to the hotel is at the opposite end of the entrance on the right. [/*][*]Find a seat [/*][*]Order a drink, beer, water and Gatorade are the same price 25K. I dont want to drink so I order water but it is a small bottle so I switch to Gatorade the next time. [/*][*]watch the striper dancing on stage[/*][*]The striper will make a round to collect tips. 2K is the standard. The bar has a cash counting machine with a large supply of 2K bills. I go there to change 50K at a time. I met and sat with two Colombian men. They keep a large stack of 2K bills on the table to give to the strippers. [/*][*]if you find a girl, you pay 300K to the bar for 45 minutes. I am not sure if the time is enforced [/*][*]Girl takes you to the hotel[/*][*]You can order a drink in the room. I ordered two drinks for 30K total. [/*][*]Sex[/*][*]Go back to the club after[/*][/LIST]
This is my favorite place in Medellin. The main reason is I get the services I want here and the room is clean. There is no pressure to get drinks. It is better to go on Weekends for large selection.

I know it is more expensive on the surface but this is the way I look at it. The actual cost for me is a function of the following:
[LIST][*] money spent [/*][*]Non-monetary effort, the amount of time it takes to get the girl. For me this is a negative cost, but it may be a positive number for you[/*][*] number of shots, maybe number of hours together [/*][*] success rate or enjoyment level[/*][/LIST]
I was invited by two Colombian men to join their table the last night I was there. They asked which girl I wanted. I pointed to a slender one and they rejected it because her ass is small. They proceed to get me two different girls with "culo grande". They told me they would pay for it and show me Isla receipt which says they have fund available in the millions. I did approached the slender girl but was rejected. I asked the bar girl sitting with us to ask why, she told me it is because she was sick.

My new friends get every stripper asking for tip to sit on my lap or rub their breast against my face and stuff like that. Originally, I thought girls here are all plastic, but after touching and grabbing so many of them all night, it is safe to say there is still a large percentage that are natural.

It was near closing time, they insist to have their driver take me back to my hotel so I stayed. After the club was closed, they took me to the club in the same building next door. This place has a dance floor and a bar. There are more girls than men. The drive told me this is "la noche de las chicas malas". They paid for everything so I don't know the cost. The whole time I felt kind of stupid. There was a beautiful girl sitting at the bar clearly winked at me when I entered but I did not know what to do because I can't speak Spanish. I also noticed that girls behave very differently with Colombian men. They seem to get GFE naturally with the girls come sitting with us.

This place is similar to Hong Kong club in Tijuana. Assuming girl quality is the same, here is my comparison.

[B]Better at Hong Kong club[/B]:
[LIST][*] strip show[/*]
[/LIST][B] Better at La Isla[/B]
[LIST][*] No tip, drink or lady drink pressure. The staff behave like what you would expect from a high end place [/*][*] Better girls to men ratio on weekend. HK club is standing room only on weekends. [/*][*] Rooms are cleaner [/*][*] easier to get GFE, BBBJ[/*][*] Cheaper [/*][/LIST]
[B] Fase II [/B]

I did not pull any girl here. The best thing is that most girls seem to be natural without surgery. The bad thing is girls constantly hassle me for drinks. They also provide a car but they won't tell me the cost so I hopped on a taxi in front when I left.

[B] Conejitas [/B]

I did not pull any girl here but I was here a few times. Girls don't bother me much. The drink is cheap but I think I was charged with different prices (maybe 5 K and 6 K) at different time. I visited this bar whenever I want to find a place to sit in Centro after all the walking. I will visit again if I am nearby.

[B]Barra Ejecutiva [/B]

This is a large place. The bar is at the opposite end of the entrance. I think the girl quality is better than Conejitas on the night I was there. Drink is more expensive, 10 K for a coke. I did not stay long.

I use [B]Hotel Nutibara Medellin[/B] as a center of reference for el Centro for the following purposes.
[LIST][*]To move between strip clubs, see the route in the map attached [/*][*]Wait for Uber or Taxi in front [/*][*]The shuttle to the airport is behind the hotel [/*][/LIST]
For comparison purpose, I think the bars in Santa Fe, Bogota has better and larger selection of girls than the bars listed above except La Isla. This maybe because Santa Fe bars also have street girls in them.

[B]Gusto[/B]

Not a strip bar, I visited a few times to check it out and relax. I see many not so good looking girls here but also a few good looking ones that are occupied. Drinks are not that expensive for the setup. Cook is 4 K. Whisky and Coke is 25 K, tip included.

[B]photoprepagos[/B]

Made an appointment with a Venezolana in Laureles where I stayed at the time. She flaked when I arrived at the appointment time. I just took a taxi to Energy. Later I asked why, she replied via a voice recording explaining she fall asleep. I don't understand the recording but Hasideas Tao came to rescue to explain the content to me. It is good to get some help from people who can speak Spanish if you want to use photoprepagos. I made another appointment with her. The session was a meh. The girl has a good body and pretty face but don't know how to have sex. Her ad is no longer on the photoprepagos site.

[QUOTE=WindAngel;2257076]My first time in Medellin, this is a guide for newbie like me with little Spanish based on my one time experience. I think I don't see the full picture of the girls offered but I have a good idea of the service and hardware offered so that will be the emphasis of this report. I break up my reports by category so I can complete them one by one, this is for massage places.
[/QUOTE]Thanks, I'm looking forward to the reports about other FS places. Please give details on opening hours, quality and ages of the chicas.

I am considering a first trip to Columbia after years in Asia. I'm not interested in places with well travelled hookers. I prefer 18-20 girls who are less experienced and less transactional. More GFE less silicone-tits pornstar. Like we used to find in Changping on chicken runs 8 years ago, if you know that time and place. Less Macao saunas type girls who have several sessions a day.

Please tell us your views on these as you continue with the reports.

Keep up the reporting!!

[QUOTE=SteelBaton;2257343]I'm not interested in places with well travelled hookers. I prefer 18-20 girls who are less experienced and less transactional.[/QUOTE]Everyone is. And that is what makes them well-travelled, more experienced, and more transactional. There is no secret batch of beautiful, low-mileage, GFE hookers out there.

I'll be in Medellin for the Super Bowl on February 3, 2019, and am looking for a sports bar where I can watch and listen to it in English. Any ideas?

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2257050]MedellinGringo,

{SNIP} In USA, I am sure if I walked up to a woman and offered her a car up to $50,000 for sex that 80% would jump at the chance. You just need to prove that 1. You will pay and 2. {SNIP}[/QUOTE]Reminds me of the joke that goes something like this.

Man (to extremely attractive woman): "Will you have sex with me for $1 MM?

Woman: "Absolutely."

Man: "Will you have sex with me for $10?

Woman: "What do you think I am, a hooker?

Man: "We've already established that. Now we're just negotiating the price!

[QUOTE=TadaiMaybe;2253031]Flight out of MDE early afternoon so the night before I arranged to have Laura the student to come at 9:00 for another round before we go for breakfast and airport. She showed up on time and my buddy wanted to fuck her instead. 10 minutes later he came out saying he didn't like the hanging skin on her snatch; picky man I think he had no appetite! I made the sacrifice and stepped up to the task. Laura wanted to stay and asked if I wanted another round but it was time to go. There will be another trip to MDE for certain hopefully longer than 3.5 days next time.

Observations which many of you probably already know:

-Use no foreign transaction fee credit cards for restaurants and you get the best exchange rate. A few restaurants add a surcharge for CC use but the menu should state it.

-No need for Colombia Cupid, FB, or other online methods unless your trip is sufficiently long. I wasted much time chatting up CC girls but the immediate on ground talent appeared just as good. Certainly a few gems can be found online but they consume effort and time and the outcome is not any more certain. My feeling is that the online ones are no more or less pro or semi-pro than what you might find in any of the bars.

-Most if not all of the high-end regular apartments prohibit escorts, loud parties, or drug use. However, friendliness and taking care of the security guards has tangible benefits. Just don't abuse the rules.

-Strip joints were a hit and miss, some cuties and not many beauties. Also be cautious of your surroundings.

-El Poblado seems to be where the new money is. Saw Ferrari, Hummer limos, Audi R8, Benz and beammers mostly Bogota plates. Also explains why some chicas wanted 400 K for an hour, albeit 9's. As a point of comparison, a SW in centro told my buddy 30 K.

-Taxis and metro are cheap and efficient. Make sure driver turns on the taxi meter, small screen right by the rearview mirror. Minimum fare is 5 K.[/QUOTE]Just wanted to acknowledge your good trip report before it gets lost in pages of chatter.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2257176]And who says that he wants to fuck her more than once?[/QUOTE]If you don't want to fuck a girl twice for free, that's attractive enough to pay for, well you've chosen the wrong hobby.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2257050]MedellinGringo,

I feel bad that the young guy did not know she was prepago and his bubble was burst. She must have really liked him to give it for free and to cuss the other guy out for ratting her out. Kinda proves my point is that you never know about people. I am sure most of the co-workers, friends, and family of the guys on this very board assume we (here on ISG) are all good wholesome guys. For all you guys that say BS, please explain why your board name is not your real name (first and last)? Most women are working girls you just need to find the right price. In USA, I am sure if I walked up to a woman and offered her a car up to $50,000 for sex that 80% would jump at the chance. You just need to prove that 1. You will pay and 2. Nobody will find out.[/QUOTE]If you're sure, why not try it? Pick a random shopping mall in the US. Pick a random attractive woman. Approach her, talk to her and make her an offer, with cash in hand. Do this 10 times.

I'm betting that you're not going to get 8 of the women to say yes. At best, 2 or 3. The other times will end of with you getting beaten up and / or arrested.

Looking at it very loosely, all girls are working girls. They will all have sex with the person who gives them what they want. However, only a few are willing to make a straight cash transaction. Most want something more. Most also want to pick their partners, instead of just saying yes to whoever has the money. Even the ones who are happy to take money for sex will choose who they take money from.

Every working girl I befriended in Medellin (meaning we communicate even when it's not a negotiation for sex), has complained to me about some guy who wanted to pay her for sex. Grosero, sucio, feo, gordo. Unless you're pulling from the bottom of the barrel, even the hookers have standards.

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2257570]If you don't want to fuck a girl twice for free, that's attractive enough to pay for, well you've chosen the wrong hobby.[/QUOTE]Why fuck her again when it's possible to fuck a new girl for free that isn't a prostitute?

Never heard of pump & dump?

[QUOTE=BaDonkiDonk;2257435]I'll be in Medellin for the Super Bowl on February 3, 2019, and am looking for a sports bar where I can watch and listen to it in English. Any ideas?[/QUOTE]Hooters in Poblado.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2257571]Looking at it very loosely, all girls are working girls. They will all have sex with the person who gives them what they want. However, only a few are willing to make a straight cash transaction. Most want something more. Most also want to pick their partners, instead of just saying yes to whoever has the money.[/QUOTE]Great post full of logic. As I said before, some people have morals and not everyone is a hooker.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2257623]Why fuck her again when it's possible to fuck a new girl for free that isn't a prostitute?

Never heard of pump & dump?[/QUOTE]Why not fuck her again, which is guaranteed, then try to fuck a new girl too, which isn't guaranteed? Why turn down round two of guaranteed GFE? Yeah I've heard of pump and dump, but you seem ignorant to the fact that the vast majority of mongers here don't meet the qualifications. Mongers, those who must resort to paying for sex, don't have girls begging them for sex on a daily basis. In order to pump and dump, you must possess most of the following characteristics: young, extremely handsome, wealthy, charismatic and in-shape. Most mongers fit only one or none of those criteria. If fucking attractive women for free was so easy for the typical monger, the typical monger would be well on his way to extinction.

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2257115]Your friend's behavior is quite astounding. He's gotten to first base with a chica many men would be willing to pay for and is well on his way to unlimited free sex. Then he intentionally screws it all up by offering to pay for each and every future session?[/QUOTE]My friend had a hard time believing the chick was a prepago. I don't think he wanted to believe it. But when it became obvious that she was. He just wanted to fuck her even if he had to pay for it. He may have tried to just date her and to see what happened if he lived in Medellin. But when guys have limited time (in pussy paradise) they tend to do whatever it takes to get laid as fast as possible.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2257739]My friend had a hard time believing the chick was a prepago. I don't think he wanted to believe it. But when it became obvious that she was. He just wanted to fuck her even if he had to pay for it. He may have tried to just date her and to see what happened if he lived in Medellin. But when guys have limited time (in pussy paradise) they tend to do whatever it takes to get laid as fast as possible.[/QUOTE]He went about it all wrong though because he did not meet her on those terms. Last month I was in Peru and met this chick on cupid. She did not want to go out with me at first because she thought I just wanted to fuck her. Finally the day before my last she agreed to go out to lunch. She made it clear that it would just be platonic and not even a kiss. After we ate and she saw how cool I was, she started to get GFE. We were downtown walking holding hands and hugging and kissing. She went home and we were messaging each other. I had 1 day left and like you said I was on limited time, so I said fuck it and just told her flat out that the next day we would fuck. She said no. (I did not offer to pay her as your friend did.) I said what time are you coming. She said I am not. The next afternoon I asked her if she was on her way yet. She said she had to get her kid off to school and she would be on the way. We went to eat lunch and went back to the hotel and fucked. Now she is all in love.

Your friend should have realized that hookers need love too. And just because she was a hooker did not mean she was out to get money from him. That was not even information that he was supposed to be privy to. She could have really liked him for who he was. He thought he was being smart and thought he was offering her what she really wanted for what he really wanted. But that is where experience and game come in handy. You have to know when it works to romance a chick, when it works to worry the shit out of a chick, when it works to pay a chick. YMMV and there is no one size fits all. He should have continued in the direction he was going and did just like I did; told her he was leaving soon and wanted to make love with her. Then at least he would have been fucking her for free while everyone else was paying, instead of going home with his dick in his hand and not fucking her at all.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2257778]He went about it all wrong though because he did not meet her on those terms. Last month I was in Peru and met this chick on cupid. She did not want to go out with me at first because she thought I just wanted to fuck her. Finally the day before my last she agreed to go out to lunch. She made it clear that it would just be platonic and not even a kiss. After we ate and she saw how cool I was, she started to get GFE. We were downtown walking holding hands and hugging and kissing. She went home and we were messaging each other. I had 1 day left and like you said I was on limited time, so I said fuck it and just told her flat out that the next day we would fuck. She said no. (I did not offer to pay her as your friend did.) I said what time are you coming. She said I am not. The next afternoon I asked her if she was on her way yet. She said she had to get her kid off to school and she would be on the way. We went to eat lunch and went back to the hotel and fucked. Now she is all in love.

Your friend should have realized that hookers need love too. And just because she was a hooker did not mean she was out to get money from him. That was not even information that he was supposed to be privy to. She could have really liked him for who he was. He thought he was being smart and thought he was offering her what she really wanted for what he really wanted. But that is where experience and game come in handy. You have to know when it works to romance a chick, when it works to worry the shit out of a chick, when it works to pay a chick. YMMV and there is no one size fits all. He should have continued in the direction he was going and did just like I did; told her he was leaving soon and wanted to make love with her. Then at least he would have been fucking her for free while everyone else was paying, instead of going home with his dick in his hand and not fucking her at all.[/QUOTE]Maybe it would have paid off using your tactic, maybe not. But why play games with a cheap hooker?

Fucking a inexpensive hooker, which everyone with a 100 bucks can fuck, for free doesn't make anyone special.

It would be another thing it was a high-end escort with starting rates at 500 bucks or more.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2257825]Maybe it would have paid off using your tactic, maybe not. But why play games with a cheap hooker?

Fucking a inexpensive hooker, which everyone with a 100 bucks can fuck, for free doesn't make anyone special.

It would be another thing it was a high-end escort with starting rates at 500 bucks or more.[/QUOTE]You really don't get it.

The price a girl charges means nothing as to who the girl is, the quality and or level of service, fun, etc.

Often times the correlation is inverse.

Good luck.

I spent the past few days in Parque Lleras. It's nice but I keep reading posts about better prices in other places in Los Angelos, San Diego, etc. An old dude told me to get on the Day game but not sure where. Honestly I would rather do Day game anyways. But the Colombian Uber I call for rides said that New Life is in a bad area for day game and too dangerous for night so he won't take me there. Can anyone give some advice on New Life or any other club outside Parque Lleras in terms to Day Game. Before 7 pm? Also is new Life dangerous in general?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2257364]Everyone is. And that is what makes them well-travelled, more experienced, and more transactional. There is no secret batch of beautiful, low-mileage, GFE hookers out there.[/QUOTE]I disagree. I find these types of girls in many places in Asia (Jakarta, small bars in BKK, HK honey girls, "chicken shops" in rural China, top-tier bars like Kojak in Manila, etc). Most places I frequent I can *eventually* find the bars or locations where women are just beginning to work in this business or are working part-time. I'm just wondering where in Columbia they are likely to be found? Sometimes it's a FL cafe, or streetwalkers, or small clubs, or the most expensive clubs who will pay the most for fresh women. Where does that attractive 18 year old who decides she needs some extra pocket money first go? They all begin somewhere, where is it in Medellin??

I don't have the patience for the online romancing sites that take days and weeks to cultivate.

[QUOTE=SteelBaton;2258098]I disagree. I find these types of girls in many places in Asia (Jakarta, small bars in BKK, HK honey girls, "chicken shops" in rural China, top-tier bars like Kojak in Manila, etc). Most places I frequent I can *eventually* find the bars or locations where women are just beginning to work in this business or are working part-time. I'm just wondering where in Columbia they are likely to be found? Sometimes it's a FL cafe, or streetwalkers, or small clubs, or the most expensive clubs who will pay the most for fresh women. Where does that attractive 18 year old who decides she needs some extra pocket money first go? They all begin somewhere, where is it in Medellin??

I don't have the patience for the online romancing sites that take days and weeks to cultivate.[/QUOTE]Of course they are out there. But it takes time and effort to find them. If you're determined to do so, I'd try some smaller or mid-size towns. Big cities in Colombia are pretty played out. If you have to be in a bigger city, you need to get way away from the nicer areas of town. Hang around in some Estrato 2/3 areas.

[QUOTE=BaDonkiDonk;2257435]I'll be in Medellin for the Super Bowl on February 3, 2019, and am looking for a sports bar where I can watch and listen to it in English. Any ideas?[/QUOTE]Highly recommend Patrick's Irish Bar in Parque Lleras.

Address: Carrera 37 a 8 a - 43, Medellin, Colombia.

Great bar to watch American Football. After a few shots, you'the swear you're in some neighborhood bar in the midwest.

I was there 3-4 years ago. Traded shots with Patrick the owner while watching the game. Great guy, got a frisbe with the bar logo from him on the way out!

You might want to call ahead for the Superbowl & see if you need to reserve seats. I vaguely remember.

Options to pay for all you can eat & maybe drink.

The girls are friendly & attractive. I don't think they "work". They might make enough $ from gringo tips but who TF knows in Medallin.

Google "Patrick's bar Medellin". Take a look at Trip Advisor for more info including their #.

Just read a post here from another monger suggesting Hooter's (also in Parque Lleras).

Might be a mistake:

When I went there to watch Monday Night Football. The place was dead. I could've lived with the mediocre looking hooter girls being a bit snooty (I wasn't there for the woozle) but at the end of the 3rd. Quarter I was told they're closing up! Another party of 3-4 guys had just ordered these huge cartoon drinks & weren't allowed to finish them.

Luckily, right across the street I saw a bar that was totally empty but the game was on. The bartender let me watch the rest of the game while he was cleaning up. Unfortunately it has since closed.

Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=FunGuy12;2258081]I spent the past few days in Parque Lleras. It's nice but I keep reading posts about better prices in other places in Los Angelos, San Diego, etc. An old dude told me to get on the Day game but not sure where. Honestly I would rather do Day game anyways. But the Colombian Uber I call for rides said that New Life is in a bad area for day game and too dangerous for night so he won't take me there. Can anyone give some advice on New Life or any other club outside Parque Lleras in terms to Day Game. Before 7 pm? Also is new Life dangerous in general?[/QUOTE]Man, you are confused and need to spend time reading TFF. "Game" is what you need to make emotional connections with girls so that they will want to fuck you. Instead of game you can use money. You don't need game to go to New Life any more than you need to be Italian to go to a pizzeria.

New Life is only open daytime. I recommend you go there and to the other centro casas. Nothing bad is likely to happen to you walking around that part of centro during the day, but it likely will greatly expand your outlook on life. Get WorldTraveler69's map on your phone.

For "day game", that is picking up girls with charm not money, your best bet it Parque Lleras, but you're more likely to be picked up by overpriced putas hunting for gringos.

[QUOTE=Arcangel;2258272]

For "day game", that is picking up girls with charm not money, your best bet it Parque Lleras, but you're more likely to be picked up by overpriced putas hunting for gringos.[/QUOTE]Hmmmm, Parque Lleras IMO, would definitely NOT be your best for picking up girls with charm.

Matter of fact, it wouldn't even be on my list, LOL.

[QUOTE=Combo;2258106]Of course they are out there. But it takes time and effort to find them. If you're determined to do so, I'd try some smaller or mid-size towns. Big cities in Colombia are pretty played out. [/QUOTE]SteelBaton poses a very valid and important question. Where do the fresh women in Colombia start out? In my experience an "attractive 18 year old who decides she needs some extra pocket money" first goes to a small casa. From there, in Medellin she may go to New Life or Energy to increase her turnover. If she is an extrovert or has issues like drugs that prevent her being accepted in a casa, she may start on the street at Veracruz.

Me, I have had a hard time finding fresh GFE girls in Medellin and Bogota and had more success in second-tier cities Barranquilla and Bucaramanga where everything is somewhat more laid-back and the girls more low-mileage.

I wouldn't recommend "smaller or mid-size towns" because they generally don't have the establishments that we are looking for. Girls don't work in their home towns where they are likely to be found out, they go to the anonymity of the city.

[QUOTE=Combo;2258106]If you have to be in a bigger city, you need to get way away from the nicer areas of town. Hang around in some Estrato 2/3 areas.[/QUOTE]How is that supposed to work? If you just "hang around" you're more likely to attract muggers rather than the pretty girls who sit at home with no money. To pick up girls in public you would need to be fluent in Spanish and have good game. Even so, girls would be wary to be seen with a monger in their own neighbourhood. Has anyone ever made this work?

Colombians don't tend to befriend people in public and meet new people through their network of friends and family. However, it's generally easy to get into a conversation with someone sharing your long distance bus or plane, for example, not sure how that works on the metro or city bus. A better strategy would be to befriend girls and have them introduce you to their friends.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2258275]Hmmmm, Parque Lleras IMO, would definitely NOT be your best for picking up girls with charm.

Matter of fact, it wouldn't even be on my list, LOL.[/QUOTE]I wasn't speaking from experience on that point, so I defer to your judgement. Please share your list.

[QUOTE=Arcangel;2258280]SteelBaton poses a very valid and important question. Where do the fresh women in Colombia start out? In my experience an "attractive 18 year old who decides she needs some extra pocket money" first goes to a small casa. From there, in Medellin she may go to New Life or Energy to increase her turnover. If she is an extrovert or has issues like drugs that prevent her being accepted in a casa, she may start on the street at Veracruz.

Me, I have had a hard time finding fresh GFE girls in Medellin and Bogota and had more success in second-tier cities Barranquilla and Bucaramanga where everything is somewhat more laid-back and the girls more low-mileage.[/QUOTE]Besides that, all you really know is what you are told. So tell any chick without implants to tell you that she is new to this and you shall be non the wiser. Like here in Pattaya if you ask a chick how long she has been here she will say 2 weeks. Most of the time that means that she had been back home and it has been 2 weeks since she has returned to Pattaya, not 2 weeks that she has been in the game as many mongers take it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2258290]Like here in Pattaya if you ask a chick how long she has been here she will say 2 weeks. Most of the time that means that she had been back home and it has been 2 weeks since she has returned to Pattaya, not 2 weeks that she has been in the game as many mongers take it.[/QUOTE]I do the same thing in Jakarta. When the locals ask me how long I have been in Indonesia, I will tell the amount of time I have been there that current visit. So if I flew in 2 weeks prior, I will say 2 weeks. In reality I have been there a good part of 20 years.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2258290]Besides that, all you really know is what you are told. So tell any chick without implants to tell you that she is new to this and you shall be non the wiser. Like here in Pattaya if you ask a chick how long she has been here she will say 2 weeks. Most of the time that means that she had been back home and it has been 2 weeks since she has returned to Pattaya, not 2 weeks that she has been in the game as many mongers take it.[/QUOTE]What the girl tells you may or may not be true. Like the time a lively cute Venezolana told me she had been a medical student at home. Later, seeing how she writes on whatsapp, I'm sure her education is less than high-school. Still, I would repeat with her, but she's in Quito now.

Anyway. What you really know is the experience you have with the girl. Is she fresh, cute GFE and into you, or is she hardened, transactional, mechanical. That is the point. If you prefer the former then it's worthwhile looking for girls that are genuinely new and low-mileage, because you are unlikely to get it when you are her dick number 1001.

And just like diamonds, they are not found equally everywhere, so it helps to have an idea where to go mining.

Oh, and here's another anecdote: After a good session in a small casa in Medellin my girl asks me if I had any dollars. I told her no, sorry, in Colombia I only carry pesos. She was a little disappointed and told me she's only curious, she's never seen a real dollar!

[QUOTE=FunGuy12;2258081]I spent the past few days in Parque Lleras. It's nice but I keep reading posts about better prices in other places in Los Angelos, San Diego, etc. An old dude told me to get on the Day game but not sure where. Honestly I would rather do Day game anyways. But the Colombian Uber I call for rides said that New Life is in a bad area for day game and too dangerous for night so he won't take me there. Can anyone give some advice on New Life or any other club outside Parque Lleras in terms to Day Game. Before 7 pm? Also is new Life dangerous in general?[/QUOTE]Most of the casas are in El Centro, most are in a reasonably safe area of El Centro. The only problem I know of in the area, a year ago some guy was stopping gringos, telling them he was the police and "confiscating" their money. Most of the casas have a picture and a warning posted about the guy. I haven't heard of anyone encountering him this year.

None of the taxi drivers will know the name of a casa, but most of them know where they are. Ask "conoces la casa de chicas con la puerta azul?" That's New Life, with the blue door. One block north, in almost the exact same spot on the block is Aiffe. It has a red door. The best time to visit is between late morning and mid afternoon.

Go to the Medellin Lists thread and download the PDF of casas. That will give you the addresses. Find the addresses on Google maps and use street view to see the area. There are several within a short walk from New Life. Take a taxi directly to New Life and start from there.

[QUOTE=Arcangel;2258280]SteelBaton poses a very valid and important question. Where do the fresh women in Colombia start out? In my experience an "attractive 18 year old who decides she needs some extra pocket money" first goes to a small casa. From there, in Medellin she may go to New Life or Energy to increase her turnover. If she is an extrovert or has issues like drugs that prevent her being accepted in a casa, she may start on the street at Veracruz. [/QUOTE]The problem isn't where the fresh girls in Medellin start out, it's when, and when is about 4 years sooner than you should be looking for them. By the time they make it to most of the casas they've been at it for at least 2 or 3 years. The only exception I know of is a casa which doesn't require a cedula from the girls.

Any girl on Veracruz has been around it her whole life. Chances are, that woman standing next to her is her mother. If drugs have brought her to the street, she's not fresh. The dealers all just got tired of giving her drugs for sex.

Not that there aren't attractive and fun girls to be found in the casas or on the streets, but you're just fooling yourself if you think they're new to the game.

[QUOTE]Me, I have had a hard time finding fresh GFE girls in Medellin and Bogota and had more success in second-tier cities Barranquilla and Bucaramanga where everything is somewhat more laid-back and the girls more low-mileage.

I wouldn't recommend "smaller or mid-size towns" because they generally don't have the establishments that we are looking for. Girls don't work in their home towns where they are likely to be found out, they go to the anonymity of the city.[/QUOTE]How it works is you go to an area, stop in a restaurant and have lunch. Chat with the owner, cook and waitress, the only person working there. Leave a 4 k tip for your 6 k lunch. Go down the street to a small bar or a little store with tables outside. Have 2 beers. Chat with whoever is around. Stop in a few stores, buy a few little things, talk to whoever is working. Give a few compliments to the women. Repeat as necessary. When you see a girl who interests you, greet her and ask a few questions about the area. It doesn't matter what you ask. If there's something interesting in the area, ask if she'll guide you there. Or ask for directions to the closest metro station, or which bus to take to get you back to your hotel. Compliment her. Be nice and friendly and try to get her WhatsApp.

It requires some effort. You need to study the area some and you need to talk to a lot of people. Once people see you as a nice guy, doors will open.

I've seen someone make it work. I made a variation of it work. I found an older woman who occasionally turns tricks when money is really tight and floated out that I was looking for someone to clean my apartment. That led me to meeting her daughter, who also takes on occasional customers. That brought invites to visit their home, in an estrato 2 area and introductions to the daughter's friends. The friends aren't really in the business, but I'm a nice guy, I treat people well.

[QUOTE]Colombians don't tend to befriend people in public and meet new people through their network of friends and family. However, it's generally easy to get into a conversation with someone sharing your long distance bus or plane, for example, not sure how that works on the metro or city bus. A better strategy would be to befriend girls and have them introduce you to their friends.[/QUOTE]Colombians are happy to befriend people, especially paisas. I had no problem making friends and I'm more of an introvert. They're curious, they like to talk, they like to hear about different places. And a lot of them have a friend or a cousin who doesn't have a novio.

[QUOTE=Arcangel;2258272]Man, you are confused and need to spend time reading TFF. "Game" is what you need to make emotional connections with girls so that they will want to fuck you. Instead of game you can use money. You don't need game to go to New Life any more than you need to be Italian to go to a pizzeria.

New Life is only open daytime. I recommend you go there and to the other centro casas. Nothing bad is likely to happen to you walking around that part of centro during the day, but it likely will greatly expand your outlook on life. Get WorldTraveler69's map on your phone.

For "day game", that is picking up girls with charm not money, your best bet it Parque Lleras, but you're more likely to be picked up by overpriced putas hunting for gringos.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the input. At WorldTraveler69 Thank you for the map also. I got Avantel for 20 mil pesos for a month. Unlimited Whatsapp and 1 GB data. I am working my "game" today, ladies are easy to talk to. My Spanish needs more work. LOL I have been Pataya, Jakarta, Dubai, Australia, Singapore. Lived in Japan. I'm always a gentleman. Unfortunately with Avantel I can't access the map on my phone. Need a VPN.

1st night: I went to Parque Lleras. Saw bad chick on the street. Saying 3 cientos. I said 200 mil pesos. She agreed. Got back to the room (which charged me 150 for guest. Just like Pattaya. Should done my homework). She said 50 extra for sex in the room. So I give her 50 and she won't even let me get half in. I just told her to finish CBJ.

2nd night: parque lleras: Idk the name of the club sorry. It was on the first floor, but had a club directly above it with a view across the park. The guy promoting it said good mujeres, so I said cuantos cuesta. He said 150 so I went. It was like 1 am and a few cute ladies (looks are 7's). The lady said 200, I said 150. She agreed and she took me to a hotel across the street for 80 mil pesos. Some dude from Miami was working there talking to me, small talk. I thought he wanted to fight me. LOL but he was cool. The room was nice. Her body was damn. Natural. Perfecto. Everything. So for her and the hotel 230 mil pesos.

3rd night was at La Isla. Gorgeous. I walked in paid 10 mil pesos for the cover fee. FYI. I took a UBER (Did not know UBER is illegal here. UBER driver parked me behind the building to not be seen. Also always ride in the front with Uber here) . I sat on the 1 of many couches. Ratio of women to men. 20:1. So I got approached by a few ladies. She said tres cientos. I said 250 mil pesos for hour. Now the 250 includes the hotel, sex and CBJ. She had a condom but I always have my own. Nice room, she washed me before and after. Was the best I had thus far.

What I will do next time: Pay the cover fee, Do not sit down, continue to walk until you find the woman you want. Talk to her and negotiate. Always negotiate with manners. Then go. I dropped like 50 pesos on other ladies that kept coming to me asking for a tip. So do not sit down and find your lady fast and take her to the back. You may end up giving some tips. I think those are the rules and I did not want drama. So again Find the lady you want Fast. FYI a lot of the ladies have implants (breasts and / or butts). From what I noticed about half did. I prefer natural.

4th day / night: taking some of everyone's advice and do the day game.

[QUOTE=SteelBaton;2258098]I disagree. I find these types of girls in many places in Asia (Jakarta, small bars in BKK, HK honey girls, "chicken shops" in rural China, top-tier bars like Kojak in Manila, etc). Most places I frequent I can *eventually* find the bars or locations where women are just beginning to work in this business or are working part-time. I'm just wondering where in Columbia they are likely to be found? Sometimes it's a FL cafe, or streetwalkers, or small clubs, or the most expensive clubs who will pay the most for fresh women. Where does that attractive 18 year old who decides she needs some extra pocket money first go? They all begin somewhere, where is it in Medellin??[/QUOTE]You can try La Isla. The girl I talked to tell me she can come and go freely, not hired by the bar. I don't look for particular age but this is the only place that I have met girls in your range. The other places will be Centro but many of those look [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] and you need some Spanish. The other bar will be Gusto. Do a search to see reports.

[QUOTE=WindAngel;2258443]The other places will be Centro but many of those look isgprohibitedwords and you need some Spanish.[/QUOTE]Nah they don't look that way, they ARE that way. After noticing those are not adult clothes that those chicks had on I decided to ask. And I was taunted for being scared. I had no problem admitting to them that of course I was scared and not willing to take on the problems associated with that.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2258411]The problem isn't where the fresh girls in Medellin start out, it's when, and when is about 4 years sooner than you should be looking for them.[/QUOTE]Ain't nobody turning 18 then just magically heading out to be a brand new fresh hooker as they would be heading out to take the driver's test, heading out to vote, or heading out to drink.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2258411]I found an older woman who occasionally turns tricks when money is really tight and floated out that I was looking for someone to clean my apartment. That led me to meeting her daughter, who also takes on occasional customers. That brought invites to visit their home, in an estrato 2 area and introductions to the daughter's friends. The friends aren't really in the business, but I'm a nice guy, I treat people well.[/QUOTE]Yeah well you are talking about a process that is part game and part luck. Because you most certainly did not start off with it in your mind that you would end up fucking the friends of some older chick's daughter. You just happened to fall into that. Most guys want the ease of point and click for a girl with the freshness of Downy, all while not being able to speak the language.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2258577]Most guys want the ease of point and click for a girl with the freshness of Downy, all while not being able to speak the language.[/QUOTE]Yep. They're all looking for that magical vending machine that pops out 18 year old virgins, who nevertheless already know everything they need to make sex exciting and satisfying.

[QUOTE=SteelBaton;2258098]

Where does that attractive 18 year old who decides she needs some extra pocket money first go? They all begin somewhere, where is it in Medellin??

I don't have the patience for the online romancing sites that take days and weeks to cultivate.[/QUOTE]They don't go anywhere. By the time they decide to go somewhere to work they have already been selling their ass for a while.

The best place to meet them is on facebook if you have the patience. Any chick that will spend a decent amount of time chatting with you online is game. Then just ask them to met you out somewhere. If they bring up money they are not fresh. If they show up in public to meet a guy that is twice or more her age she is game for almost anything. You just need to lay it on her after a couple drinks and a joint.

If I had to pick one place that I have picked up the most 18 year olds in person. It would be Palmahia for after hours. But it takes patience and stamina to stay up partying until 4 or 5 in the morning to get them back to your place.

It is one thing to get a broke chick to drink your liquor and dance with you but it is quite another thing to get her to leave her partying friends to go home with you for money. So you have to wait her friends out and sometimes you just end up with a phone number or facebook contact.

Another thing is you really can't go out alone or you will just look weird or stupid.

The first time I ever went to Palmahia was with mansion chicks after the La Cueva closed. I was there with three other chicks and we split a bottle and I ended up going home with a chick I met there. The truth is trying to pick up drunk 18 year olds is probably the last thing you should be doing in Medellin on a Friday or Saturday night. Only do it if all your best made plans fall through. Much better odds with Facebook IMHO when searching for the girls that are open to being propositioned for the first time.

Switch your sim card to Movistar.

I did not have any trouble with my maps.

[QUOTE=FunGuy12;2258435]Thanks for the input. At WorldTraveler69 Thank you for the map also. I got Avantel for 20 mil pesos for a month. Unlimited Whatsapp and 1 GB data. I am working my "game" today, ladies are easy to talk to. My Spanish needs more work. LOL I have been Pataya, Jakarta, Dubai, Australia, Singapore. Lived in Japan. I'm always a gentleman. Unfortunately with Avantel I can't access the map on my phone. Need a VPN.
[/QUOTE]

Greetings men,

I'll be going to Medellin in January and already have 5 nights reserved in M1. I've been to medellin before, however, wanted to stay in the Hotel Charlee in Parque Lleras for a few days before the Mansion. I'm a gringo and have never stayed in Parque Lleras, but I'm hearing that a gringo, alone here is not adviseable in Parque Lleras. I've been to Tijuana, DR, Costa Rica and definitely keep my wits to me, but is Parque Lleras at night that bad?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2257778]I had 1 day left and like you said I was on limited time, so I said fuck it and just told her flat out that the next day we would fuck. She said no. (I did not offer to pay her as your friend did.) I said what time are you coming. She said I am not. The next afternoon I asked her if she was on her way yet. She said she had to get her kid off to school and she would be on the way. We went to eat lunch and went back to the hotel and fucked. Now she is all in love..[/QUOTE]THIs is the move my friend. Hahh I love that. I've totally done this one I dunno how many times. Last time was in Bogota. Fucking her was soo good, it was like opps no condom even. Damn her pussy was great but she was WAY too demanding after that. It was like the movie Don Jon where she wants an unrealistic guy in a rom com movie. Anyway. I LOVE that game when you just tell them what's happening.

POWER MOVE!!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2258851]Yep. They're all looking for that magical vending machine that pops out 18 year old virgins, who nevertheless already know everything they need to make sex exciting and satisfying.[/QUOTE]A great idea! Bring that one in front of the Sharks! The boys at The Shark Tank will buy in millions, jajaja.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=BlueVein09;2259219]Greetings men,

I'll be going to Medellin in January and already have 5 nights reserved in M1. I've been to medellin before, however, wanted to stay in the Hotel Charlee in Parque Lleras for a few days before the Mansion. I'm a gringo and have never stayed in Parque Lleras, but I'm hearing that a gringo, alone here is not adviseable in Parque Lleras. I've been to Tijuana, DR, Costa Rica and definitely keep my wits to me, but is Parque Lleras at night that bad?[/QUOTE]There is nothing dangerous about Parque Lleras.

I do think you should have booked the nights at the Charlee after your stay at the Mansion instead of before. Unless of course you already have chicas lined up.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2259316]There is nothing dangerous about Parque Lleras.

I do think you should have booked the nights at the Charlee after your stay at the Mansion instead of before. Unless of course you already have chicas lined up.[/QUOTE]He's right, why'know.

[QUOTE=BlueVein09;2259219]Greetings men,

I'll be going to Medellin in January and already have 5 nights reserved in M1. I've been to medellin before, however, wanted to stay in the Hotel Charlee in Parque Lleras for a few days before the Mansion. I'm a gringo and have never stayed in Parque Lleras, but I'm hearing that a gringo, alone here is not adviseable in Parque Lleras. I've been to Tijuana, DR, Costa Rica and definitely keep my wits to me, but is Parque Lleras at night that bad?[/QUOTE]Where in the name of all that is holy did you hear that? Of all the crazy things I've heard about Medellin, that's got to top the list. Whoever is telling you that knows absolutely nothing about Parque Lleras.

For a gringo alone in Medellin, with no knowledge of the city and limited Spanish, Parque Lleras is the safest place for you to be. The only bad thing in Parque Lleras is trying to get a taxi out 30 minutes after the bars close.

[QUOTE=BlueVein09;2259219]Greetings men,

I'm a gringo and have never stayed in Parque Lleras, but I'm hearing that a gringo, alone here is not adviseable in Parque Lleras. I've been to Tijuana, DR, Costa Rica and definitely keep my wits to me, but is Parque Lleras at night that bad?[/QUOTE]Parque Lleras is perfectly safe, even at night. Lots of upper class Colombians with a few gringos mixed in, mingling around all the little bars and restaurants. Decent police presence too. The chances of you being a victim of violence is extremely small. It is a very safe area, don't be concerned.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2259316]There is nothing dangerous about Parque Lleras.

I do think you should have booked the nights at the Charlee after your stay at the Mansion instead of before...[/QUOTE]Haha, I agree! The stay at the Charlee should definitely be after the mansion, not before. World of difference between the two.

Not sure if it's because of the holidays or what, but I went to Energy on Friday and it was the largest and best lineup I've ever seen. I also struck gold with my choice. All told the best experience I've had at Energy, and I've been many times.

The biggest danger at Lleras is getting clipped for 300 K by a park prepago or in Gustos. The second biggest danger is having your ear bent by gringos at Juan Valdez Cafe.

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2259335]Parque Lleras is perfectly safe, even at night. Lots of upper class Colombians with a few gringos mixed in, mingling around all the little bars and restaurants. Decent police presence too. The chances of you being a victim of violence is extremely small. It is a very safe area, don't be concerned.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HornyGoats;2259511]Not sure if it's because of the holidays or what, but I went to Energy on Friday and it was the largest and best lineup I've ever seen. I also struck gold with my choice. All told the best experience I've had at Energy, and I've been many times.[/QUOTE]The rush to make $$ before the holidays and get some Christmas gifts is REAL! That said, also watch your back cause it is robbery season. The GI Joe Kung Fu Grip is now replaced with Ipads and Laptops and cellphones so the stakes are higher!!

Def going to go next week and check it out. So far I had my hands SOOO busy with these new batch of freaks. I honeslly don't know what happened but lately they are all like PSE with BB and facials. (Showing my test and theirs of course).

Ill have a report soon but it is good to know that Energy is back to it's glory. I was there back in April and it was lackluster.

In Thailand in a lot of the BJ bars you can get head in the bar area.

Unfamiliar with the Medellin scene but is there any strip club or anything where I can get head or full service out in the open.

I have not heard of that service in Medellin.

Getting back off topic, I've often wondered if the Thailand BJ bars are the places ladyboys go to work.

[QUOTE=ForgottenOwl;2259952]In Thailand in a lot of the BJ bars you can get head in the bar area.

Unfamiliar with the Medellin scene but is there any strip club or anything where I can get head or full service out in the open.[/QUOTE]

I was in Medellin last January. Went to New Life. It was different from all the other casas I've been to. There was a lot activity going on, they had many girls lined up single file, and they walked up one by one. They seemed I'll at ease, uncomfortable (except one who actually smiled and looked me in the eye. All the other ones gave a flimsy handshake, looking away.) It seemed like the line up would never end, so I told the guy in charge to stop the line up, and give me the cheerful one. Her attitude was good and we had fun. Unlike the other casas, payment was make after the session, with a paper filled out showing the time, which we took to a register window. It was a tad more expensive than the other casas, but not too much.

[QUOTE=ForgottenOwl;2259952]In Thailand in a lot of the BJ bars you can get head in the bar area.

Unfamiliar with the Medellin scene but is there any strip club or anything where I can get head or full service out in the open.[/QUOTE]No way. Colombia is nothing like Thailand.

[QUOTE=ForgottenOwl;2259952]In Thailand in a lot of the BJ bars you can get head in the bar area.

Unfamiliar with the Medellin scene but is there any strip club or anything where I can get head or full service out in the open.[/QUOTE]Only if you are lucky enough to be part of the show on stage.

[QUOTE=ForgottenOwl;2259952]In Thailand in a lot of the BJ bars you can get head in the bar area.

Unfamiliar with the Medellin scene but is there any strip club or anything where I can get head or full service out in the open.[/QUOTE]I see they have an adult theater. I was thinking it might be fun to bring a girl there. I did that once in Costa Rica. It was a blast. She was so embarrassed.

Or they have swinger clubs. If anyone wants to adventure with me, hit me up. I'll be there Dec 27th til Jan 14th.

[QUOTE=MstrNinja;2260177]I see they have an adult theater. I was thinking it might be fun to bring a girl there. I did that once in Costa Rica. It was a blast. She was so embarrassed.

Or they have swinger clubs. If anyone wants to adventure with me, hit me up. I'll be there Dec 27th til Jan 14th.[/QUOTE]Take a girl on the Metrocable to Parque Arvi, daytime during the week. The second Metrocable, from Santo Domingo to Parque Arvi is about 15 minutes and you're almost guaranteed to have a car to yourself.

Colombia The Holy Mecca.

It's changed a lot over the last 10 years. It's nolonger point and click. Let's start with the beginning.

Medellin.

It used to be a place where you stayed at the Mansion and you could have walk down the street and approach most women in English and they would be happy to talk to you. Those days are over. Greg used to have great parties. It's still a good place for a first timmer.

Casa's are still a great way to enjoy the day but many are closing. NewLife and Loutron are great. Unfortunately most of the girls have moved to the internet so now you have to be tech Savvy. Now your best bet is seeking, tinder, Instagram and Facebook. Once you make some friends add her friends on Instagram. Make a new profile for your self. It's also gotten expensive as the city has become more cosmopolitan.

Not as good as it used to be.

I would say Cartegena is like Medellin. Expensive and to touristy now. Cartegna is the worse city if you are looking for a good deal. Don't stay long probably the worse place. Visit the Clocktower, Beach, LDV and Pley Club are still open.

Things may be changing with Venzeulans coming.

Hidden Gems.

Cali still gets less traffic so women are more friendly and more approachable. You can still talk to people because less gringos visit.

Santa Marta is another hidden gem. You can still approach people and plenty of Venzeulans so they are asking for 50 k to 75 k cop. Banana and the place next door. Also a lot of park novios action.

[QUOTE=Neworlean;2260443]Colombia The Holy Mecca.

It's changed a lot over the last 10 years. It's nolonger point and click. Let's start with the beginning.

Medellin.

It used to be a place where you stayed at the Mansion and you could have walk down the street and approach most women in English and they would be happy to talk to you. Those days are over. Greg used to have great parties. It's still a good place for a first timmer.

Casa's are still a great way to enjoy the day but many are closing. NewLife and Loutron are great. Unfortunately most of the girls have moved to the internet so now you have to be tech Savvy. Now your best bet is seeking, tinder, Instagram and Facebook. Once you make some friends add her friends on Instagram. Make a new profile for your self. It's also gotten expensive as the city has become more cosmopolitan.

Not as good as it used to be.

I would say Cartegena is like Medellin. Expensive and to touristy now. Cartegna is the worse city if you are looking for a good deal. Don't stay long probably the worse place. Visit the Clocktower, Beach, LDV and Pley Club are still open.

Things may be changing with Venzeulans coming.

Hidden Gems.

Cali still gets less traffic so women are more friendly and more approachable. You can still talk to people because less gringos visit.

Santa Marta is another hidden gem. You can still approach people and plenty of Venzeulans so they are asking for 50 k to 75 k cop. Banana and the place next door. Also a lot of park novios action.[/QUOTE]I agree medellin has changed but I have found that my mongering style has changed too, I should say has adapted or evolved, so that now I am having the best time of my life in medellin, not necessarily better nor worse but different and a lot of fun.

When I first visited medellin almost 9 years ago when I was out with friends at a club I would actually have our waiter bring me notes from girls in the club who wanted to come to their table and meet them, telephone numbers and very kind messages, this does not happen anymore, maybe cause I am 9 years older but none-the-less I still have a hell of a time in medellin.

This being said in the next few weeks I will re-visit Cali to experience what others have reported on.

Keep you posted.

The Tall Man.

Hi everyone,

I have a question regarding [URL]photoprepagos.com[/URL] site.

When I'm comparing those two cities, Bogota has something like 1300 putas and Medellin around 500, any idea why such difference?

Peace out.

Tall Man in the spirit of sharing can you give us your quick and dirty on how to make the most of Medllin and enjoy it as much as you do.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2260591]I agree medellin has changed but I have found that my mongering style has changed too, I should say has adapted or evolved, so that now I am having the best time of my life in medellin, not necessarily better nor worse but different and a lot of fun.

When I first visited medellin almost 9 years ago when I was out with friends at a club I would actually have our waiter bring me notes from girls in the club who wanted to come to their table and meet them, telephone numbers and very kind messages, this does not happen anymore, maybe cause I am 9 years older but none-the-less I still have a hell of a time in medellin.

This being said in the next few weeks I will re-visit Cali to experience what others have reported on.

Keep you posted.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]

I agree w / Tall Man about the changes in Medellin. I've been coming for 5 years now and even since then it's changed quite dramatically. Not as "point and click" as Tall Man eloquently explained.

I'm reaching out to the great stalwarts of this board to see if anyone has had any success w / new locations / casas, venues. Here's a recap of trips the past couple of months:

I visited Medellin in November:

-New Life- went 3 times, was disappointed in the talent. Used to be a lot of 8's and 9's. But I only saw 6's and maybe a couple of 7's. What happened?

-Energy- went 2 times, and there were only about 7-8 chicas, none were compelling. This used to be an amazing casa with 20-30 women and many 8's and 9's.

-Fase Dos. Didn't see many stunners here in my 3 visits, and I used to find easily 4-5 stunners on any given night.

-La Isla. I did find a couple of 9's here in my 2 visits, but there used to be nearly 10 dimes in this place.

-Loutron. I arrived at 5 pm. And there were only 7 women there, one was a 9 - but I was expecting much more from the reviews.

I'm wondering if I went during a drought or a bad time (in November) - but I left Medellin unsatisfied for the first time.

But as fate would turn it. I have returned to Colombia starting with Cartagena. Where I just finished my 2nd overall visit for 2 days. My luck hasn't improved as I took a cab to Pley Club and it was closed! I arrived at midnight on a Tuesday night and the place was deserted. So disappointing as last time I was in Cartagena this place was buzzing with 9's and 10's.

I did find some high quality chicas at LDV and Space. And a few walking around the clock tower. But I came specifically for Club Pley. My visit was December 10th & 11th.

I am now boarding a flight to Medellin and hoping to return to past glory. I generally don't like the Tinder / FB scene because I prefer to see the women in person. But the game has changed so much that it's almost imperative to have some type of tech game going.

Has anyone had success at New Life lately? Energy? I did read a promising recent review on Energy. When is the best time / day to visit Loutron? Any new casas?

I'll be here today (Wednesday) through Sunday. And am happy to meet up and share wisdom if anyone wants to.

Best of fortune to you all.

[QUOTE=DonDeeres;2260592]Hi everyone,

I have a question regarding [URL]photoprepagos.com[/URL] site.

When I'm comparing those two cities, Bogota has something like 1300 putas and Medellin around 500, any idea why such difference?

Peace out.[/QUOTE]Bogota has 8 million people and Medellin has 2 million, simple math.

First, apologies in advance for asking a bunch of questions that have surely been answered in the past but I used the search function here and I was chasing my tail. Holy shit, there is a lot of info here! I am 40, look like I'm in my early 30's, 5'9 about 160, generally fit, not "hot" by American standards but definitely told regularly that I am handsome. I don't mean that to sound arrogant, I'm not. I think it's relevant though for determining the best arrangement for my visit. I will be traveling alone and I'm sober so I won't be going out partying. Although I do want to check some places out. As of today I have reserved 10 days at Mansion, deposit paid. Looking at $70/ night based on the 2 night deposit charge on my CC. My Spanish is beginner but I have 3 months to study Rosetta Stone. I think a lot will come back to me since I took a couple years of Spanish in High School and a year in College.

Any help you guys can give, suggestions, feedback, etc. Is greatly appreciated. Here are my specific questions:

Chicas.

1. Is it simple to get a chica back to your room in Mansion? Do I just walk up to them and ask to hang out and work out details from there?

2. Is BBJ common or do all of the chicas mostly require CBJ?

3. If I stay at a hotel is it safe to have the chicas back to my room (understanding that I might have to pay extra)?

4. Since I am traveling solo, where am I OK to walk during the day to visit casas / strip clubs / etc?

5. I understand from reading online, that the norm is to use a room at the casas / strip clubs / etc instead of taking the chica back to my place. Are these rooms safe / clean?

6. Is there anywhere that GFE is easily found? What about super hot girls that do GFE. Where are they?

7. Can I bring outside girls into Mansion or do I have to stick to the ones working on site?

8. How do I start the process on Facebook or Instagram? I have seen a lot of comments saying those are good resources. I am good with social media so I'd like to take advantage.

Money.

1. Where is the best place to get money? Is is ill advised to try and get money out at night?

2. How much should I have on me at any one time? I am guessing that I could hit the ATM daily and just keep what I need for the day. Maybe hold a stash in my room's safe. Thoughts?

3. What is the best denomination of bills for me to carry so I don't have to worry about change?

4. I plan to have a budget, after travel and hotel, of about 300 USD per day. Is this going to suffice and allow me to have a lot of fun?

OTHER.

1. I have Verizon unlimited and an IphoneX. Do I need a new SIM card or will I be good to go with what I have? I plan to use WhatsApp on my phone for the most part.

2. For dating, I plan to use Colombian Cupid and Tinder but also want to approach women in person. Is the Mall or daytime streets the best for that if I want to find a nice, non-working woman?

3. Any suggestions for activities aside from women? Hikes, biking, pools, or other adventures?

In closing. I am really excited to go but I also want to stay firmly planted in reality. I am a cautious person and can generally make good decisions. Provided I stay sober. You all seem to have your shit straight. I just want to avoid big mistakes.

Thanks guys.

[QUOTE=Fmc858;2260750]First, apologies in advance for asking a bunch of questions that have surely been answered in the past but I used the search function here and I was chasing my tail. Holy shit, there is a lot of info here! I am 40, look like I'm in my early 30's, 5'9 about 160, generally fit, not "hot" by American standards but definitely told regularly that I am handsome. I don't mean that to sound arrogant, I'm not. I think it's relevant though for determining the best arrangement for my visit. I will be traveling alone and I'm sober so I won't be going out partying. Although I do want to check some places out. As of today I have reserved 10 days at Mansion, deposit paid. Looking at $70/ night based on the 2 night deposit charge on my CC. My Spanish is beginner but I have 3 months to study Rosetta Stone. I think a lot will come back to me since I took a couple years of Spanish in High School and a year in College.

Any help you guys can give, suggestions, feedback, etc. Is greatly appreciated. Here are my specific questions:

Chicas.

1. Is it simple to get a chica back to your room in Mansion? Do I just walk up to them and ask to hang out and work out details from there?

2. Is BBJ common or do all of the chicas mostly require CBJ?

3. If I stay at a hotel is it safe to have the chicas back to my room (understanding that I might have to pay extra)?

4. Since I am traveling solo, where am I OK to walk during the day to visit casas / strip clubs / etc?

5. I understand from reading online, that the norm is to use a room at the casas / strip clubs / etc instead of taking the chica back to my place. Are these rooms safe / clean?

6. Is there anywhere that GFE is easily found? What about super hot girls that do GFE. Where are they?

7. Can I bring outside girls into Mansion or do I have to stick to the ones working on site?

8. How do I start the process on Facebook or Instagram? I have seen a lot of comments saying those are good resources. I am good with social media so I'd like to take advantage.

Money.

1. Where is the best place to get money? Is is ill advised to try and get money out at night?

2. How much should I have on me at any one time? I am guessing that I could hit the ATM daily and just keep what I need for the day. Maybe hold a stash in my room's safe. Thoughts?

3. What is the best denomination of bills for me to carry so I don't have to worry about change?

4. I plan to have a budget, after travel and hotel, of about 300 USD per day. Is this going to suffice and allow me to have a lot of fun?

OTHER.

1. I have Verizon unlimited and an IphoneX. Do I need a new SIM card or will I be good to go with what I have? I plan to use WhatsApp on my phone for the most part.

2. For dating, I plan to use Colombian Cupid and Tinder but also want to approach women in person. Is the Mall or daytime streets the best for that if I want to find a nice, non-working woman?

3. Any suggestions for activities aside from women? Hikes, biking, pools, or other adventures?

In closing. I am really excited to go but I also want to stay firmly planted in reality. I am a cautious person and can generally make good decisions. Provided I stay sober. You all seem to have your shit straight. I just want to avoid big mistakes.

Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]I can answer a few of your questions. In fact I'll be at M1 the first 10 days of March. Mansion girls are usually GFE with BBBJ although a few are not. General mansion girls rate are 150-200 K for 1-2 hours. (3 k /1 $) Guys hanging around there will always be glad to help you. Yes, you can bring outside girls to the Mansion, but they have to bring ID to leave at the desk and must not have been banned from there. The mansion is located in the high end of town and there are ATM's all over especially at the malls (3 within 6 blocks of the Mansion). ATM's offer the best rate. Last time there generally can take out 600,000 K / transaction from ATM. Lots of time I hit it twice. Yes, I keep most of it in safe in room. Most I carry around is 300,000 K. I use the Schwabb card so no fees. FB messenger is my way of communication. Most people outside the mansion do not speak english. I travel alone and have been all over the city with no problems during the day. Places to visit are Botero Plaza & all the shopping around it. Day trip to Guatape & El Peno is fantastic. I've taken a Pablo Escobar tour and coffee farm tours. I've also gone to Comuna 13 which is quite interesting. Done a lot of casas and Fase Dos for the strip club. It's easy to use the rooms on site. Casa girls may be available for take out cheap, but I found Fase Dos girls want big $ to go outside the club.

[QUOTE=Fmc858;2260750]First, apologies in advance for asking a bunch of questions that have surely been answered in the past but I used the search function here and I was chasing my tail. Holy shit, there is a lot of info here! I am 40, look like I'm in my early 30's, 5'9 about 160, generally fit, not "hot" by American standards but definitely told regularly that I am handsome. I don't mean that to sound arrogant, I'm not. I think it's relevant though for determining the best arrangement for my visit. I will be traveling alone and I'm sober so I won't be going out partying. Although I do want to check some places out. As of today I have reserved 10 days at Mansion, deposit paid. Looking at $70/ night based on the 2 night deposit charge on my CC. My Spanish is beginner but I have 3 months to study Rosetta Stone. I think a lot will come back to me since I took a couple years of Spanish in High School and a year in College.

Any help you guys can give, suggestions, feedback, etc. Is greatly appreciated. Here are my specific questions:

Chicas.

1. Is it simple to get a chica back to your room in Mansion? Do I just walk up to them and ask to hang out and work out details from there?

2. Is BBJ common or do all of the chicas mostly require CBJ?

3. If I stay at a hotel is it safe to have the chicas back to my room (understanding that I might have to pay extra)?

4. Since I am traveling solo, where am I OK to walk during the day to visit casas / strip clubs / etc?

5. I understand from reading online, that the norm is to use a room at the casas / strip clubs / etc instead of taking the chica back to my place. Are these rooms safe / clean?

6. Is there anywhere that GFE is easily found? What about super hot girls that do GFE. Where are they?

7. Can I bring outside girls into Mansion or do I have to stick to the ones working on site?

8. How do I start the process on Facebook or Instagram? I have seen a lot of comments saying those are good resources. I am good with social media so I'd like to take advantage.

Money.

1. Where is the best place to get money? Is is ill advised to try and get money out at night?

2. How much should I have on me at any one time? I am guessing that I could hit the ATM daily and just keep what I need for the day. Maybe hold a stash in my room's safe. Thoughts?

3. What is the best denomination of bills for me to carry so I don't have to worry about change?

4. I plan to have a budget, after travel and hotel, of about 300 USD per day. Is this going to suffice and allow me to have a lot of fun?

OTHER.

1. I have Verizon unlimited and an IphoneX. Do I need a new SIM card or will I be good to go with what I have? I plan to use WhatsApp on my phone for the most part.

2. For dating, I plan to use Colombian Cupid and Tinder but also want to approach women in person. Is the Mall or daytime streets the best for that if I want to find a nice, non-working woman?

3. Any suggestions for activities aside from women? Hikes, biking, pools, or other adventures?

In closing. I am really excited to go but I also want to stay firmly planted in reality. I am a cautious person and can generally make good decisions. Provided I stay sober. You all seem to have your shit straight. I just want to avoid big mistakes.

Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]You'll be fine with verizona just make sure your international roaming is on and connect your phone to the mansion wifi as soon as you get there.

The mansion is a good place to really get your facebook rolling. Just chat up and add every chick you meet to facebook even if you aren't into her. Because once you hit critical mass the chicks you will want to meet will be suggested to you by facebook.

After 10 days at the Mansion you should have plenty of women to keep you company once you leave the place for a hotel or apartment.

If you are an OK looking guy like you say you shouldn't have any problem getting mansion chicks to take you out on the town and get to know the lay of the land.

[QUOTE=Fmc858;2260750]

2. Is BBJ common or do all of the chicas mostly require CBJ?

4. Since I am traveling solo, where am I OK to walk during the day to visit casas / strip clubs / etc?

6. Is there anywhere that GFE is easily found? What about super hot girls that do GFE. Where are they?

8. How do I start the process on Facebook or Instagram? I have seen a lot of comments saying those are good resources. I am good with social media so I'd like to take advantage.

[/QUOTE]2. BBJ is fairly common but if that's important to you then you'll really want to ask about it in advance. Some girls will demand extra and I've had a few that refuse to do it at any price.

4. I've walked everywhere in Medellin during the day without any problems. I'm a 40-year-old blonde white guy so I don't exactly blend in. At night though it's recommended that you stick to tourist areas like Laureles and Poblado.

6. Facebook girls are your best bet for GFE. In fact I've only had one that DIDN'T give GFE. I get far better experiences with girls I met on FB then I ever did in any casa.

8. Search this forum for "facebook", lots of people have posted links to girls' profiles. Friend invite them and send them a quick message on how you'd like to meet. Then mine their friend's lists for more contacts. Facebook should also start recommending their friends once you've had a few. Eventually things will snowball and you'll have hundreds of putas and mongers to befriend. Import your FB contacts into Instagram (nearly ever chica who uses FB seems to also use IG), start following girls, then follow who they follow. Rinse and repeat.

[QUOTE=Fmc858;2260750]
Money.

1. Where is the best place to get money? Is is ill advised to try and get money out at night?

2. How much should I have on me at any one time? I am guessing that I could hit the ATM daily and just keep what I need for the day. Maybe hold a stash in my room's safe. Thoughts?

3. What is the best denomination of bills for me to carry so I don't have to worry about change?

4. I plan to have a budget, after travel and hotel, of about 300 USD per day. Is this going to suffice and allow me to have a lot of fun?

[/QUOTE]1. Use ATMs. I have a debit card with Charles Schwab that refunds all ATM fees worldwide. Really great for traveling. Plus they don't close at night.

2. If you're paranoid sure, only carry what you think you'll spend during the day and keep the rest stashed back in your hotel room.

3. You usually get 50 mil pesos notes from ATMs, though occasionally I've gotten a bunch of 20's. I always had plenty of change just from buying food.

4. I usually only spend $60-75 per chica per day. $300 is overkill unless you're planning champagne fueled orgies.

[QUOTE]
OTHER.

2. For dating, I plan to use Colombian Cupid and Tinder but also want to approach women in person. Is the Mall or daytime streets the best for that if I want to find a nice, non-working woman?

3. Any suggestions for activities aside from women? Hikes, biking, pools, or other adventures?

[/QUOTE]2. Every chica I ever matched with on Tinder has been a prepago. I've seen some of my FB contacts on cupid and seeking and in my opinion are not worth the money. I doubt you'll have much success approaching strangers at the mall or on the street using broken Spanish.

3. Guatape makes for a nice day trip. Save your money and take the bus there, it's really cheap.

[QUOTE=Fmc858;2260750]First, apologies in advance for asking a bunch of questions that have surely been answered in the past but I used the search function here and I was chasing my tail. Holy shit, there is a lot of info here! I am 40, look like I'm in my early 30's, 5'9 about 160, generally fit, not "hot" by American standards but definitely told regularly that I am handsome. I don't mean that to sound arrogant, I'm not. I think it's relevant though for determining the best arrangement for my visit. I will be traveling alone and I'm sober so I won't be going out partying. Although I do want to check some places out. As of today I have reserved 10 days at Mansion, deposit paid. Looking at $70/ night based on the 2 night deposit charge on my CC. My Spanish is beginner but I have 3 months to study Rosetta Stone. I think a lot will come back to me since I took a couple years of Spanish in High School and a year in College.[/QUOTE]1. At the Mansion you'll find girls at the pool during the afternoon and in the bar at night. If they are onsite, they're for rent. Talk to them, or just smile. They will lead you by the hand.

[QUOTE]2. Is BBJ common or do all of the chicas mostly require CBJ?

3. If I stay at a hotel is it safe to have the chicas back to my room (understanding that I might have to pay extra)?[/QUOTE]2. Most Mansion girls do BBBJ. Most casa girls don't without an upcharge. Facebook girls are about 50/50.

3. Depends on the room and the chica. Some hotels won't allow it. Some chicas have bad intentions.

[QUOTE]4. Since I am traveling solo, where am I OK to walk during the day to visit casas / strip clubs / etc?

5. I understand from reading online, that the norm is to use a room at the casas / strip clubs / etc instead of taking the chica back to my place. Are these rooms safe / clean?[/QUOTE]4. Somewhere between everywhere and nowhere. Let's face it, some guys need a keeper. Other guys can walk through a war zone and never have a problem. Where are you on that scale? I've walked from Parque Lleras to the border of Envigado many times, at all hours without a single problem. I've walked all over Laureles, Envigado, Itagui, Bello and Belen with no problems. I've walked all over El Centro with no problem, although 3 inept guys once tried to relieve me of my valuables. However, I know other guys who had problems.

Casas you can generally walk from one to the next with no trouble. You'll want to take a taxi from the Mansion. Strip clubs you'll probably want to take a taxi to the door.

5. Once again, depends on the girl for safety. You'll be safe, but your money might not be. Had a girl sneak 40 k out of my pocket at one strip club. Strip club rooms in El Centro are nasty. Fase Dos rooms are nice. Casa rooms vary in cleanliness.

[QUOTE]6. Is there anywhere that GFE is easily found? What about super hot girls that do GFE. Where are they?

7. Can I bring outside girls into Mansion or do I have to stick to the ones working on site?[/QUOTE]6. GFE is easily found with a GF, unless you have pissed her off. If you don't have a GF, GFE depends on the girl and you. A girl who gives me GFE may not give it to you. A girl that gives you GFE one time might not give it the next time. Many of the girls at the Mansion will simulate GFE for you.

7. Yes, if they have a cedula and haven't been banned.

[QUOTE]8. How do I start the process on Facebook or Instagram? I have seen a lot of comments saying those are good resources. I am good with social media so I'd like to take advantage.[/QUOTE]8. Start a new Facebook profile. Post some pictures. Start adding content, pictures, videos. Travel photos are good. Keep adding content. Start searching for friends in Medellin. When you find girls in Medellin, check their friend list, if possible. If not, see who is liking their pictures. Look for gringos. When you find a girl with lots of gringo friends, start checking out the gringos. Look for one where you can see his friends. Mine his list for girls. Each girl you add, mine her list for more girls.

[QUOTE]Money.

1. Where is the best place to get money? Is is ill advised to try and get money out at night?

2. How much should I have on me at any one time? I am guessing that I could hit the ATM daily and just keep what I need for the day. Maybe hold a stash in my room's safe. Thoughts?

3. What is the best denomination of bills for me to carry so I don't have to worry about change?

4. I plan to have a budget, after travel and hotel, of about 300 USD per day. Is this going to suffice and allow me to have a lot of fun?[/QUOTE]1. There are several banks right around the corner from the Mansion. Use the ATM. All malls have multiple ATMs. Most ATMs outside of the malls have a locking door so you can withdraw with some privacy. However, it's better to make withdrawals daytime.

2. However much you plan on spending plus some extra. Unless I was shopping, I carried 200-400 k.

3. ATMs give 50 k and 20 k bills. Use 50 k bills whenever possible to get change. Use the smallest possible bills to pay taxis.

4. Yes.

[QUOTE]OTHER.

1. I have Verizon unlimited and an IphoneX. Do I need a new SIM card or will I be good to go with what I have? I plan to use WhatsApp on my phone for the most part.

2. For dating, I plan to use Colombian Cupid and Tinder but also want to approach women in person. Is the Mall or daytime streets the best for that if I want to find a nice, non-working woman?

3. Any suggestions for activities aside from women? Hikes, biking, pools, or other adventures?

In closing. I am really excited to go but I also want to stay firmly planted in reality. I am a cautious person and can generally make good decisions. Provided I stay sober. You all seem to have your shit straight. I just want to avoid big mistakes.

Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]2. Anywhere. There are women everywhere. Talk to them where you find them.

3. Sunday morning is Ciclovia, Monday too, if it's a holiday. Look it up. Ride the Metro. Take the Metrocables. Check out some of the parks. Check out Estadio.

Thanks guys. Very helpful. Is it possible to have "sticky" posts here? Maybe start a Q&A thread where the moderator is the only one who can edit the information? Might save everyone time having to explain the same thing over and over. I hate to be that guy haha. Asking repetitive questions that are answered but buried in a thread with 4000 posts.

That seems like a good idea, a 1990's style "frequently asked questions" section. I think that was the original purpose of the "general information" thread.

[QUOTE=Fmc858;2261013]Thanks guys. Very helpful. Is it possible to have "sticky" posts here? Maybe start a Q&A thread where the moderator is the only one who can edit the information? Might save everyone time having to explain the same thing over and over. I hate to be that guy haha. Asking repetitive questions that are answered but buried in a thread with 4000 posts.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2260990]Many of the girls at the Mansion will simulate GFE for you.[/QUOTE]Wouldn't "simulated" GFE, by definition, not be GFE? So then what good would it be?

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2261269]Wouldn't "simulated" GFE, by definition, not be GFE? So then what good would it be?[/QUOTE]Any GFE that you're paying for is simulated GFE. Or did you think those girls were all really madly in lust with you after you agreed to a price?

Hi guys,

I'm heading back to Medellin in January and would like to refresh my FB contact list. If anyone has girls they'd like to recommend, please PM me. Girls who do BBFS is a bonus but not necessary. I'll also share whatever contacts I have and let me know if you have any special preferences (thin, more curvy, small / big tits, BB, BJ pro, etc).

I'll also be staying in Laureles. Let me know if anyone wants to hang out. January 23-Feb 7.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2261471]Any GFE that you're paying for is simulated GFE. Or did you think those girls were all really madly in lust with you after you agreed to a price?[/QUOTE]Actually no, GFE is a term specifically coined for the prostitution industry. GFE is GFE, which is a girlfriend-like experience provided by a prostitute. Simulated GFE is fake GFE, and no one really knows what it means because you're the only one who's ever used it.

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2261572]Actually no, GFE is a term specifically coined for the prostitution industry. GFE is GFE, which is a girlfriend-like experience provided by a prostitute. Simulated GFE is fake GFE, and no one really knows what it means because you're the only one who's ever used it.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry you're not able to make the connection. Some people don't get it.

GFE is a term to describe, generically, an encounter with a prostitute who will do certain things that one expects from a girlfriend. I say generically, because every year there's a debate here about what GFE is. By definition, if you're paying someone to pretend she's your girlfriend, all of those things are fake, simulated, not done through desire. GFE is a simulation.

The same works for PSE. Unless cameras are rolling and fluffers are standing by, you're simulating what people think a porn star experience is like.

Pretty sure everyone else understood when I said Mansion girls would simulate GFE. You appear to be the only one that doesn't understand.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2261888]I'm sorry you're not able to make the connection. Some people don't get it.

GFE is a term to describe, generically, an encounter with a prostitute who will do certain things that one expects from a girlfriend. I say generically, because every year there's a debate here about what GFE is. By definition, if you're paying someone to pretend she's your girlfriend, all of those things are fake, simulated, not done through desire. GFE is a simulation.

The same works for PSE. Unless cameras are rolling and fluffers are standing by, you're simulating what people think a porn star experience is like.

Pretty sure everyone else understood when I said Mansion girls would simulate GFE. You appear to be the only one that doesn't understand.[/QUOTE]Trust me, you're the only one who understands what "simulated GFE" is. GFE is a simulated experience by definition. So why add a second "simulated" when everyone already knows it's simulated? So when you say "simulated GFE", you are actually saying, simulated simulated GFE. Which makes no sense whatsoever.

For me, GFE means the girls is really into sex. Not necessarily with me, but with sex. She gives passionate kisses. She blows you like a champ. She orgasms when you lick her or finger her. She fucks and sucks you until you cum. And while she may not be in to me physically, she enjoys herself. With orgasms and sometimes with squirting. It's easy to tell when a chica is just faking it. Or when she's really into fucking, even if it's for pay.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2261888]I'm sorry you're not able to make the connection. Some people don't get it.

GFE is a term to describe, generically, an encounter with a prostitute who will do certain things that one expects from a girlfriend. I say generically, because every year there's a debate here about what GFE is. By definition, if you're paying someone to pretend she's your girlfriend, all of those things are fake, simulated, not done through desire. GFE is a simulation.[/QUOTE]So simulated GFE would be a simulated simulation, or fake fake. But seriously true GFE is an experience I offer to attractive women all over the world, the Grandfather Experience.

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2261572]Actually no, GFE is a term specifically coined for the prostitution industry. GFE is GFE, which is a girlfriend-like experience provided by a prostitute. Simulated GFE is fake GFE, and no one really knows what it means because you're the only one who's ever used it.[/QUOTE]Over analyzing GFE tells it all, LOL.

Go with the flow man, enjoy life.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2262105]Over analyzing GFE tells it all, LOL.

Go with the flow man, enjoy life.[/QUOTE]Exactly! Enjoy the P4P experience for what it is. Its about your pleasure and not worrying about her needs (you took care of that when you paid her). Sex with a WG simply cannot be like sex with a girlfriend, unless the subject happens to be your girlfriend. And I don't think having a WG for a girlfriend is a good idea (I knew of a few guys who did, but they didn't enjoy a long life, either).

Hi guys,

I have been going to Brazil for the last 10 years or so. But I wanted to try something that is a little different and a little closer to home. I am a big guy so to be stuck in an airplane for 8 hours or more is not fun for me. Since I live in South Florida I am going to be trying Medellin for the first time around the end of January. I have been catching up in this forum, but one thing I don't understand what are Facebook girls? How do I find them? Also I want to get WG but I Waldo wanted to try to get some locals a buddy of mine told me they are not that hard to get. Since I am fluent in Spanish. I wanted to get you guys opinions on that.

[QUOTE=Fmc858;2260750]First, apologies in advance for asking a bunch of questions that have surely been answered in the past but I used the search function here and I was chasing my tail. Holy shit, there is a lot of info here! I am 40, look like I'm in my early 30's, 5'9 about 160, generally fit, not "hot" by American standards but definitely told regularly that I am handsome. I don't mean that to sound arrogant, I'm not. I think it's relevant though for determining the best arrangement for my visit. I will be traveling alone and I'm sober so I won't be going out partying. Although I do want to check some places out. As of today I have reserved 10 days at Mansion, deposit paid. Looking at $70/ night based on the 2 night deposit charge on my CC. My Spanish is beginner but I have 3 months to study Rosetta Stone. I think a lot will come back to me since I took a couple years of Spanish in High School and a year in College..[/QUOTE]I answered your questions inline. There's no way to change font color (as far as I know).

To your last point, use common sense.

Stay sober and have your bearings at all times. Alcohol is probably what gets guys in trouble. Stay away from drugs.

Don't follow your dick around, cause it tends to get guys in trouble.

Same security precautions as in any big city USA but times 10.

No jewelry, watch, expensive electronics in public. You will become an instant target.

No need to impress anybody by telling stories about how much money you have or showing pics of your house, car, boat. I've seen guys do all of it. We Americans have a tendency to show off. Recently, I saw a guy bring a fanny pack packed with cash to a strip club and was pulling out large stacks of cash each time he paid for a drink. And then walked back to his centro hotel (at 2 am). Last I heard, he made it alive (I think).

Stay away from possible jail bait. There are many [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] girls working outside, the Mnasion girls should be good without needing to check. Don't depend on the hotel to check their ID's, make sure to check it yourself for picture and DOB. I just avoid anybody who looks even remotely young. I usually go for mi to late 20's. They are better performers in general.

If something seems to good to be true, it usually is.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2261915]Trust me, you're the only one who understands what "simulated GFE" is. [/QUOTE]No he's not. I understood.

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2261915]GFE is a simulated experience by definition.[/QUOTE]If you have to specifically request it or pay extra for it, then yes. Personally, I NEVER have asked or paid extra for "GFE", kisses, BBBJ, DATY. If the chica wants to kiss me and I want to kiss her back, it's a GFE. I usually let the chicas take the lead. Last trip, for the first time in my career, at New Life, a super sexy chica got really close to me and gave me a light kiss to gauge my interest I think. Once she saw I was interested, we started making out. If she won't kiss unless I request it or pay extra, that's simulated GFE and I'm not interested.

[QUOTE=Queens35;2262796]No he's not. I understood.

If you have to specifically request it or pay extra for it, then yes. Personally, I NEVER have asked or paid extra for "GFE", kisses, BBBJ, DATY. If the chica wants to kiss me and I want to kiss her back, it's a GFE. I usually let the chicas take the lead. Last trip, for the first time in my career, at New Life, a super sexy chica got really close to me and gave me a light kiss to gauge my interest I think. Once she saw I was interested, we started making out. If she won't kiss unless I request it or pay extra, that's simulated GFE and I'm not interested.[/QUOTE]Actually you are completely wrong. The definition of GFE varies mildly between mongers. But let's use your definition, which is commonly accepted in the mongering world. So for the sake of argument, let's assume GFE entails kissing, BBBJ and DATY, just as how a real, unpaid girlfriend would perform. It is of no relevance whatsoever if you have to request these acts or not, or if you have to pay extra. As long as the prostitute is doing it as part of a paid session of sexual acts, it is GFE. Period. To contend whether GFE vs "simulated GFE" depends on whether you pay extra or not, or if you have to verbally request it, is just completely asinine. So by your contention, GFE is where a session with a prostitute involves kissing / BBBJ / DATY. But you're saying if you verbally ask for one or more of those acts, the GFE automatically gets transformed into "simulated GFE. " So if prostitute is performing CBJ and a monger utters two words "no condom" which results in the prostitute removing the condom and performing BBBJ, then you have yourself a "simulated GFE" session all because of two words the monger spoke? Utterly ridiculous. Or if a prostitute refuses to kiss, you offer her $1 extra, then she agrees to kissing. That $1 magically transformed the session into "simulated GFE?" Utterly laughable! If you're paying a prostitute for kissing / BBBJ / DATY, whether it is considered an upgraded or verbally requested service or not, you are getting GFE. And "simulated GFE" is a term which makes no sense. A simulation of a simulation. What's the point of that? Can you name one other thing on Earth that is a simulation of a simulation? I'd be hard pressed to think of one myself.

"Simulated GFE flat out doesn't exist. The only thing I can think of that could even remotely be a possibility is if your real, unpaid girlfriend who normally doesn't perform one or more of kissing / BBBJ / DATY suddenly agrees to one of these acts if you paid her.

FB girls is just what it sounds like. Girls that have FB and are available. There isn't a specific group. Is individual girls that when you ask them in PM. If its your first time. I recommend to stay at the mansion a couple nights and get lay of the land and go from there. There is no easy way to get around the FB girls besides leg work. Otherwise look in the forum and see if there is some FB profiles but that would be about <%1 of the play field out there.

[QUOTE=BigB18;2262729]Hi guys,

I have been going to Brazil for the last 10 years or so. But I wanted to try something that is a little different and a little closer to home. I am a big guy so to be stuck in an airplane for 8 hours or more is not fun for me. Since I live in South Florida I am going to be trying Medellin for the first time around the end of January. I have been catching up in this forum, but one thing I don't understand what are Facebook girls? How do I find them? Also I want to get WG but I Waldo wanted to try to get some locals a buddy of mine told me they are not that hard to get. Since I am fluent in Spanish. I wanted to get you guys opinions on that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zhagolo52;2262918]FB girls is just what it sounds like. Girls that have FB and are available. There isn't a specific group. Is individual girls that when you ask them in PM. If its your first time. I recommend to stay at the mansion a couple nights and get lay of the land and go from there. There is no easy way to get around the FB girls besides leg work. Otherwise look in the forum and see if there is some FB profiles but that would be about <%1 of the play field out there.[/QUOTE]The FB girst can be worth the effort. Just start friending a few girls and over time you will get more friend requests. Sometimes you will find a real Gem.

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2262896]Actually you are completely wrong. The definition of GFE varies mildly between mongers. But let's use your definition, which is commonly accepted in the mongering world. So for the sake of argument, let's assume GFE entails kissing, BBBJ and DATY, just as how a real, unpaid girlfriend would perform. It is of no relevance whatsoever if you have to request these acts or not, or if you have to pay extra. As long as the prostitute is doing it as part of a paid session of sexual acts, it is GFE. Period. To contend whether GFE vs "simulated GFE" depends on whether you pay extra or not, or if you have to verbally request it, is just completely asinine. So by your contention, GFE is where a session with a prostitute involves kissing / BBBJ / DATY. But you're saying if you verbally ask for one or more of those acts, the GFE automatically gets transformed into "simulated GFE. " So if prostitute is performing CBJ and a monger utters two words "no condom" which results in the prostitute removing the condom and performing BBBJ, then you have yourself a "simulated GFE" session all because of two words the monger spoke? Utterly ridiculous. Or if a prostitute refuses to kiss, you offer her $1 extra, then she agrees to kissing. That $1 magically transformed the session into "simulated GFE?" Utterly laughable! If you're paying a prostitute for kissing / BBBJ / DATY, whether it is considered an upgraded or verbally requested service or not, you are getting GFE. And "simulated GFE" is a term which makes no sense. A simulation of a simulation. What's the point of that? Can you name one other thing on Earth that is a simulation of a simulation? I'd be hard pressed to think of one myself.

"Simulated GFE flat out doesn't exist. The only thing I can think of that could even remotely be a possibility is if your real, unpaid girlfriend who normally doesn't perform one or more of kissing / BBBJ / DATY suddenly agrees to one of these acts if you paid her.[/QUOTE]Lighten up Dr Fun, no need to analyze it that much, LOL.

It just really doesn't matter what someone calls it.

[QUOTE=Giz99;2262977]The FB girst can be worth the effort. Just start friending a few girls and over time you will get more friend requests. Sometimes you will find a real Gem.[/QUOTE]Ain't that the truth! In the huge dragnet of messages I sent I caught a non-pro college student who was at first suspicious of me but after some gentle small talk agreed to come to my place for 150 mil. Showed up wearing a gray college uniform which I found pretty hot. She was a total sweetheart, one of the best GFE I've ever had and gave a phenomenally good bbj. She quickly became one of my regulars and seemed to genuinely love being around me. Even bought me a small gift before I departed Medellin, something I never expected and found touching.

We've kept in touch while I'm stuck in Sex Prison (aka America) and lately she's been saying that she wants us to be more than just "special friends". It's tempting but I doubt I'd be able to stay monogamous and I'm addicted to the constant hunt of finding newer better sexual partners and experiences. Any of you ever been in this situation? How did you handle it?

[QUOTE=Talon;2263138]Even bought me a small gift before I departed Medellin, something I never expected and found touching.[/QUOTE]Ha, that happened on my 2nd trip last year, my main girl brought me a present, a stuffed tiger with "Te Amo" on it. Right after she left I had a cute VeraCruz street chick over to the hotel for our 2nd date, she saw the tiger and squealed in delight, "Un regalo para mi!" Sigh, I let her keep it, she sent me a pic of her with it. LOL.

[QUOTE=Talon;2263138]We've kept in touch while I'm stuck in Sex Prison (aka America) and lately she's been saying that she wants us to be more than just "special friends". It's tempting but I doubt I'd be able to stay monogamous and I'm addicted to the constant hunt of finding newer better sexual partners and experiences. Any of you ever been in this situation? How did you handle it?[/QUOTE]Sure, ride it out as long as you are enjoying your time with her.

Hey all,

I have a couple weeks off next week and was thinking of heading to Columbia. Was considering Medellin. Is it the best spot for a newbie?

I have been all over the world (FKK in Germany, Pattaya, Tijuana, Havana, KL) but never South America. It will be my sixth continent, and I am open to any suggestions.

[QUOTE=Giz99;2262977]The FB girst can be worth the effort. Just start friending a few girls and over time you will get more friend requests. Sometimes you will find a real Gem.[/QUOTE]Yep that's the ticket with FB, a good friend of mine who is not on this forum board now gets 5 to 10 requests EACH DAYfrom FB girls in Medellin, it is taken off!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2263123]Lighten up Dr Fun, no need to analyze it that much, LOL.

It just really doesn't matter what someone calls it.[/QUOTE]Agree that it does not matter what one considers a GFE or how to define it, it is kind of like beauty, it is hard to describe but you know it when you see it.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Talon;2263138]Ain't that the truth! In the huge dragnet of messages I sent I caught a non-pro college student who was at first suspicious of me but after some gentle small talk agreed to come to my place for 150 mil. Showed up wearing a gray college uniform which I found pretty hot. She was a total sweetheart, one of the best GFE I've ever had and gave a phenomenally good bbj. She quickly became one of my regulars and seemed to genuinely love being around me. Even bought me a small gift before I departed Medellin, something I never expected and found touching.

We've kept in touch while I'm stuck in Sex Prison (aka America) and lately she's been saying that she wants us to be more than just "special friends". It's tempting but I doubt I'd be able to stay monogamous and I'm addicted to the constant hunt of finding newer better sexual partners and experiences. Any of you ever been in this situation? How did you handle it?[/QUOTE]With regards how to handle a request for more than just being special friends, you need to manage the situation, DO NOT take anything serious (been there and done that) and you can and will have lot's of fun. Enjoy it.

I have 2 very special ladies at this time in Medellin that has evolved into a very special friendship that leaves me completely satisfied, I mean completely satisfied with deep emotional sex and connection that I have never experienced in my life, simply incredible, I tell myself how lucky I am.

Take it slow with your gal and you never know.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2262896]Actually you are completely wrong. The definition of GFE varies mildly between mongers. But let's use your definition, which is commonly accepted in the mongering world. So for the sake of argument, let's assume GFE entails kissing, BBBJ and DATY, just as how a real, unpaid girlfriend would perform. It is of no relevance whatsoever if you have to request these acts or not, or if you have to pay extra. As long as the prostitute is doing it as part of a paid session of sexual acts, it is GFE. Period. To contend whether GFE vs "simulated GFE" depends on whether you pay extra or not, or if you have to verbally request it, is just completely asinine. So by your contention, GFE is where a session with a prostitute involves kissing / BBBJ / DATY. But you're saying if you verbally ask for one or more of those acts, the GFE automatically gets transformed into "simulated GFE. " So if prostitute is performing CBJ and a monger utters two words "no condom" which results in the prostitute removing the condom and performing BBBJ, then you have yourself a "simulated GFE" session all because of two words the monger spoke? Utterly ridiculous. Or if a prostitute refuses to kiss, you offer her $1 extra, then she agrees to kissing. That $1 magically transformed the session into "simulated GFE?" Utterly laughable! If you're paying a prostitute for kissing / BBBJ / DATY, whether it is considered an upgraded or verbally requested service or not, you are getting GFE. And "simulated GFE" is a term which makes no sense. A simulation of a simulation. What's the point of that? Can you name one other thing on Earth that is a simulation of a simulation? I'd be hard pressed to think of one myself.

"Simulated GFE flat out doesn't exist. The only thing I can think of that could even remotely be a possibility is if your real, unpaid girlfriend who normally doesn't perform one or more of kissing / BBBJ / DATY suddenly agrees to one of these acts if you paid her.[/QUOTE]I think what he means with Simulated GFE vs GFE with a working girl is. The initiative. Like if you meet a chick and she is just horny for you and there is chemistry and she attacks your cock and kisses you and doesn't really care about rubbers and all these rules and lets you do pretty much anything without whipping out a menu item of how much things will cost. That is GFE. BUT if you got to tip her for everything little thing, BBJ, more passionate besos etc then that is the simulated GFE, cause she is doing it but it is almost with less passion and more cause you had to pay more. It is not soething she wold do if given a choice.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2263572]I think what he means with Simulated GFE vs GFE with a working girl is. The initiative. Like if you meet a chick and she is just horny for you and there is chemistry and she attacks your cock and kisses you and doesn't really care about rubbers and all these rules and lets you do pretty much anything without whipping out a menu item of how much things will cost. That is GFE. BUT if you got to tip her for everything little thing, BBJ, more passionate besos etc then that is the simulated GFE, cause she is doing it but it is almost with less passion and more cause you had to pay more. It is not soething she wold do if given a choice.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I just go with the flow, would never think of negotiating for GFE, LOL.

I know we all March to a different beat, but IMO, all the over analyzing, over thinking of this fun hobby, just takes the fun out of it.

I seem to have pretty good luck, so I'll just keep on truckin.

Happy Holiday to all!

Felices Fiestas.

[QUOTE=Talon;2263138]I caught a non-pro college student who was at first suspicious of me but after some gentle small talk agreed to come to my place for 150 mil. [/QUOTE]How do you guys trick your minds into believing this? Found a chick that was not a hooker to come over for money? Does that really make any sense at all? If she was really a non-pro, then she would have come for 0.

[QUOTE=Talon;2263138]We've kept in touch while I'm stuck in Sex Prison (aka America) and lately she's been saying that she wants us to be more than just "special friends".[/QUOTE]Please ask her or you tell us what is the actual difference between special friends and more than special friends. Two days ago when I got off a street chick in Tijuana we were talking while getting dressed and I forgot what she said, but I responded "but I might want to be novio". She said, "That costs more!" I had to give her a high 5 on that one.

Before getting in to any type of relationship each party needs to make clear what they expect from the other. Being more than special friends might mean you have to take care of her family, including the kid she has with another man. And what more TANGIBLE benefit would you be receiving for taking on the extra responsibility? Usually none.

[QUOTE=Tnrwv;2263242]I have a couple weeks off next week and was thinking of heading to Columbia. Was considering Medellin. Is it the best spot for a newbie?

I have been all over the world (FKK in Germany, Pattaya, Tijuana, Havana, KL) but never South America. It will be my sixth continent, and I am open to any suggestions.[/QUOTE]Medellin is not in Columbia and Columbia is not in South America.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2263427]Agree that it does not matter what one considers a GFE or how to define it, it is kind of like beauty, it is hard to describe but you know it when you see it.[/QUOTE]But if it is going to cost you extra then you better know how to describe it. Other wise how will the service provider know what to give you? Like the brother that was in Sosua the other day asking for a complete massage and was disppointed when they didn't jack him off or suck his dick at the end. Yeah, he knew it when he saw it, but unfortunately for him, they didn't know what he wanted to see.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2263836]How do you guys trick your minds into believing this? Found a chick that was not a hooker to come over for money? Does that really make any sense at all? If she was really a non-pro, then she would have come for 0.[/QUOTE]One man's junk is another man's treasure.

Or one man's non-pro is another man's puta. Or one man's non-pro has been paid to handle a lot of other men's junk.

Another tip, college student in Colombia generally means high school. Universidad is a university student. Both terms are abused by Colombians. If she ever attended University, even if for one day, she'll be claiming to be a student until she's 30. After that she'll toss it out to suggest she graduated.

Met a university student in Bogota 4 years ago. She even had her student ID and showed me around the university. Almost 3 years later I found out she hadn't been a student for 4 years. Also found out she was 5 years older than she claimed. So far, she's claimed to be a student, in a 4 year program, for 6 years and people are still believing her. If you're wondering, webcam model.

[QUOTE]Please ask her or you tell us what is the actual difference between special friends and more than special friends. Two days ago when I got off a street chick in Tijuana we were talking while getting dressed and I forgot what she said, but I responded "but I might want to be novio". She said, "That costs more!" I had to give her a high 5 on that one.

Before getting in to any type of relationship each party needs to make clear what they expect from the other. Being more than special friends might mean you have to take care of her family, including the kid she has with another man. And what more TANGIBLE benefit would you be receiving for taking on the extra responsibility? Usually none.[/QUOTE]Being more than special friends means you get to pay more and get less.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2263825]Yeah, I just go with the flow, would never think of negotiating for GFE, LOL.

I know we all March to a different beat, but IMO, all the over analyzing, over thinking of this fun hobby, just takes the fun out of it.

I seem to have pretty good luck, so I'll just keep on truckin.

Happy Holiday to all!

Felices Fiestas.[/QUOTE]I'm with you on going with the flow. For me, GFE is an assessment I make after, not an up front negotiation.

The silly thing, "simulate GFE" was a joke. It was a little poke at the guys who stay at the Mansion 3 times a year, never venture out of Poblado and think they're the king of Medellin.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2263836]How do you guys trick your minds into believing this? Found a chick that was not a hooker to come over for money? Does that really make any sense at all? If she was really a non-pro, then she would have come for 0.[/QUOTE]Actually she agreed to come over and share a drink without me offering her any money at all. I might have been been able to score for free but after doing this so many times I've just gotten into the habit of offering my usual fare.

I call her a non-pro because she told me this is the first time she's ever done something like this and I don't see any reason to doubt her as she acts different from all the pros and semi-pros I've encountered so far in Colombia. A typical FB prepago will:

1. Just outright tell you they're an escort or a "dama de compania".

2. Have other prepagos and gringos on their friends list.

3. Immediately act super flirtatious when you message them and are eager to meet.

4. Have lots of tattoos and / or trashy clothes.

5. Have lots of photos showing off their body and themselves partying.

6. Photos of their kids but never any with their father.

And then when you meet it's fairly self-evident that this is not their first rodeo and that once they get their money they're not interested in sticking around. Whereas with this girl I didn't get the same vibe, plus she happily hung around just to chat or watch videos together. Trust me I'm not a naive fool.

[QUOTE]
Please ask her or you tell us what is the actual difference between special friends and more than special friends...Before getting in to any type of relationship each party needs to make clear what they expect from the other. Being more than special friends might mean you have to take care of her family, including the kid she has with another man. And what more TANGIBLE benefit would you be receiving for taking on the extra responsibility? Usually none.[/QUOTE]Good point. I think she wants to pursue a romantic relationship and might be seeing me as possible husband material. Which is why I asked for advice, since I'm not interested in settling down but I enjoy being with her and don't want to ruin what we got now.

I will be visiting Medellin on Jan 6th for 9 nights. This will be my first visit here although have spent some time in Costa Rica (think Del Rey and Cocal). I had some great mongering time there.

I wanted to hit some of the casa's but would like to have a wing man if I'm going to be running around Centro. I didn't have any problems running around San Jose just not sure about the El Centro area in Medellin.

I tried to join this site but I'm from the USA and it looks like they are blocking all the transactions, kind of a bummer. If anyone has any hot fun chicas they can recommend send a few to a brother. Thanks all and looking forward to doing some posts on my research there in Medellin.

[QUOTE=Tnrwv;2263242]Hey all,

I have a couple weeks off next week and was thinking of heading to Columbia. Was considering Medellin. Is it the best spot for a newbie?

I have been all over the world (FKK in Germany, Pattaya, Tijuana, Havana, KL) but never South America. It will be my sixth continent, and I am open to any suggestions.[/QUOTE]

Hello every one,

I need your help as I am organising my 2 weeks trip from 27 January to 10 February. I have anyway to begin with Bogota. As I prefer I prefer to visit cities near the see rather than Medellin: what kind experience or girl I would miss if I don't go to Medellin and that I can't find in Bogota? I saw in some reports that Bogota in the city with large offer with the good rate.

Many thanks.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2263891]The silly thing, "simulate GFE" was a joke.[/QUOTE]LOL. You aggressively defended the term "simulated GFE" after I pointed out that a fake of a fake really doesn't exist. Now, after being soundly defeated in that argument, you are contending that it was all a joke to being with. LOL.

I just heard from a chica that the Mansion was raided yesterday (last night?) and was closed down. Does anyone know anything about this? True? What happened?

[QUOTE=Talon;2264060]
Good point. I think she wants to pursue a romantic relationship and might be seeing me as possible husband material. Which is why I asked for advice, since I'm not interested in settling down but I enjoy being with her and don't want to ruin what we got now.[/QUOTE]Then enjoy. Earlier this year there was a guy who also found a "non-pro" she ended up blackmailing him with his dick pics. Just be careful.

I had a great 68 hours, from when I was dropped off from the airport taxi to when I stepped into the return to airport taxi, I was there Halloween weekend. Besides doing some touristy things, I had 6 sessions, all enjoyable. Many thanks to the forum, and especially the Medellin map, for making the trip such a success. I am a relative amateur, and am writing this for other newbies, I don't expect the more senior members to find it interesting. To give you a picture of where I'm coming from, I'm 60 plus years of age, very average looks, speak limited Spanish, and have no game, so I could never pick up a chica and get her to go back to my place, unless I spent a lot of money on her first. It is difficult for me to get away by myself, so I treasure the hobbyist trips I am able to take, have only had 3 before this one, to Athens, Panama City and Mexico City. I am not looking to make a connection with anyone, just looking for variety and quantity in my limited opportunities to engage in the hobby. While I am not insecure in new cities, I also don't want to take chances since I have a good life in the states. That being said, I decided to try Hotel M. La Mansion (also called Medellinplaza) and then branch out from there. I only had a week's notice that I'd be able to take the trip, and when I contacted them, I was told that of the 3 nights I would be there, there was only one night available in the main building, and the other 2 would have to be in the second building. I made that reservation, as from what I've read, for a newbie, it is quite an experience and ultra secure. Unfortunately, when I arrived, I discovered that the second building is about 2 blocks from the main one, and up a rather steep hill. For those who are not aware, all the action is in building one, the pool during the day, and the bar at night. I was initially put off by the set up, but wanted to experience the main building that one day, so I did stay with them the whole time. I do have to say, staying in building one has to be similar to staying in brothel, it is great. The facility itself is not that impressive, you are clearly paying for the ambiance, not the quality of the rooms. All the staff I encountered were very pleasant and helpful. In building one, most speak English. The limited staff in building 2, not so much, but it didn't matter. Of the 6 sessions, I had, 3 were at the hotel, and 3 were at casas in the center of town. There is no question that the chicas at the hotel were better looking (most about an 8 IMO), and more skilled. And one pays for that, about 150 k (I'll quote in Columbia pesos, about $3. 20 per 10 k when I was there) compared to my 3 sessions in the casas, which were 42 k and 50 k, and the chicas more like 6's. Normally I would say that I'd prefer the less costly, but the 3 sessions at the hotel were so enjoyable that it made for a good mixture along with the casa chicas. Two of my sessions at the hotel were the 24 hours I was in building one. I went to the pool and there were about 6 or 8 chicas sitting around a table, eating and talking. One guy was sitting among them. I didn't know if they were working or just socializing, so I sat on a chair about 10 feet away from them, looking over to see whether they were looking my way. Before that happened another chica walked out of the building and sat next to me, and within 5 minutes, we were in my room. She was easily an 8, though a bit more mature than any others I was with. I thought she was low 30's though another guy later told me she was only mid-20's. Anyway, she was probably the most sophisticated WG I have ever been with. Her English was the most fluent of the 6 chicas I was with, and she had travelled quit a bit, as a gentleman's companion. She was very skilled in each position (my normal MO is 3 positions, first mish, then doggy, end with cowgirl, all 6 chicas were fine with that). That night, I went to the bar. There were about 8 or so chicas around, and most were looking my way as I came in and walked around. I sat down on a bench, and in seconds, an absolutely adorable chica sat down next to me. She claimed she was new to this, and only 18 years old, and it might very well have been true. Again, in my room in 5 minutes, and another immensely enjoyable session. The next night, back in building 2, I walked down the hill to the bar. Again I was immediately approached and was very happy to find she was glad to accompany me back to my room. It seems the chicas expect you to take them up the hill in a taxi, which was just fine with me, the front desk called one, and the fare was less than the minimum (5. 8 k, I believe). This turned out to be the most memorable session of my life. I don't look for GFE and certainly don't look to pay extra for it. But that is pretty much what we had. After finishing the act, we laid around on the bed talking for about 10 minutes, using my limited Spanish. I started caressing her body and she moved my hand between her legs. I always assume that any indication that a WG enjoys being with me is an act, but when she moved my hand there, I asked if should would like me to use my mouth, and sure enough, she said yes with a smile, and it was DATY, something I had never done with a WG before. Afterwards, she spoke about having me visit her apartment the next morning. Though she was very enjoyable to be with, going to her place seemed more likely to be dangerous than I was willing to risk (she lived in a local neighborhood, nothing like Poblado, where the hotel is), so I declined. Anyway, I wanted to visit a casa one more time the following morning before departing. I should mention that at the front desk at building one, I was given a price list that included 2 paks of V for 2. k for the 2 pills (generic of course). I stocked up.

I found all the casas to be great value. I never felt at all insecure walking around the streets where they were located, though I am always careful to not dress too well, or do anything else that immediately marks me as a tourist. I only went to casas during daylight. I was interested in visiting at least one of the ones that open at night, but it was just too convenient to have night sessions at the hotel. I went to New Life shortly after arriving. Taking a taxi from the hotel runs about 15 to 18 k, the time is more of an issue, as in the best traffic, it was 20-25 minutes, and in the worst (going back to the hotel that first day), 45 minutes. If I get another opportunity to visit, I might try to make use of the metro to save some time during heavy traffic periods. Anyway, once I walked up the stairs, someone approached me with a drink menu, and indicated that there would be a charge to sit around without picking a chica. Other guys seemed to be sitting around. But I immediately said "Yo quiero treinta minutos con una chica", and they sat me down away from the others, and called the girls to pass by. I never made it past the first group, I always saw several that I wanted to be with, so I don't know if they would have had more to choose from if I didn't pick one from the first group. They were all sizes, shapes and colors, and most were wearing see through tops, so you could make an informed decision. They were mostly 6's, maybe a 5 and maybe one 7. Mixed in. They all seemed to be upper teens or in their 20's. I chose one, paid my 50 k at the desk, the chica stepped away for a minute, I believe to check out the room we would go to and get a towel. She returned, led me to the room, and a wonderful 30 minutes ensued. This was the experience all 3 casa visits. I truly felt like a kid in a candy store, I would have done almost all of the chicas I saw if I had the stamina and time. Obviously, money is no issue in MDE, 50 k at New Life, 42 k at Chicas Punto Com. I went to the latter on a Sunday, around 3 PM, and am glad to report that there was a good selection of chicas. There was someone in front handing out what seemed to be a coupon to get a good rate on 2 hours with a chica, though I couldn't fully understand it, and I didn't want 2 hours anyway. My last visit, I attempted to visit Sarita, but it doesn't seem to be at the map location anymore, there was some construction going on there. Fortunately, as I was pressed for time, New Life was around the corner, so I had my last session there, and the chicas seemed all different from the first time. I never felt rushed in any of my sessions. The ones at the hotel lasted more time, the last one almost an hour, but I had no problem with getting rushed during the 30 minute sessions at the casas. For hobbyists like me, who don't have interest in paying big bucks for one session, and for whom variety is the spice of life, Medellin is a great option.

[QUOTE=Talon;2264060]Actually she agreed to come over and share a drink without me offering her any money at all. I might have been been able to score for free but after doing this so many times I've just gotten into the habit of offering my usual fare.

I call her a non-pro because she told me this is the first time she's ever done something like this and I don't see any reason to doubt her as she acts different from all the pros and semi-pros I've encountered so far in Colombia. A typical FB prepago will:

1. Just outright tell you they're an escort or a "dama de compania".

2. Have other prepagos and gringos on their friends list.

3. Immediately act super flirtatious when you message them and are eager to meet..[/QUOTE]On your points 1 through 6, if you're getting more than 50% of your Facebook girls matching those 6, you need to steer away from the low hanging fruit. Sure, there are plenty who are just like that. There are also plenty who match at most 1 or 2, who most never would expect anything from, yet they'll be happy to come meet a stranger who's 15-40 years older.

So maybe the girl is really looking for a husband. If she's never done this before why did she accept the money? Contrary to popular belief, Colombians who aren't prostitutes DO get offended when someone treats them like a prostitute. Especially, if they're romantically interested in the person.

Each girl does things her own way. Walk down the Veracruz block a few times. There are a few girls who will try to grab you. Some will call out to you, one clicks her tongue, some smile, some stare, some wiggle, flirt or tease and some ignore you completely. Yet every one of them is ready to take you upstairs if you make a move. Go to a casa for a lineup. You'll get different vibes from each girl, but each one will fuck you, some better than others.

Facebook is no different. Some will jump out with a price, some will flirt hard and some will ignore you. Some stay for long enough to get paid and some will hang out all night. If you're good company, some will just come to hang out.

If you're positive she's not a prostitute, next time don't pay her.

[QUOTE=Banb92;2264123]Hello every one,

I need your help as I am organising my 2 weeks trip from 27 January to 10 February. I have anyway to begin with Bogota. As I prefer I prefer to visit cities near the see rather than Medellin: what kind experience or girl I would miss if I don't go to Medellin and that I can't find in Bogota? I saw in some reports that Bogota in the city with large offer with the good rate.

Many thanks.[/QUOTE]What can you find in Medellin that you can't find in Bogota? Before you go to either city, you should find a map. If you prefer to visit cities near the sea, you're looking at the wrong cities. Bogota is farther away from the ocean than Medellin, and Medellin is far from the ocean.

One thing you can't find in Bogota is 25°see and higher temperatures.

What kind of girl or experience can you find in each city? Is this a serious question? All women have the same body parts, except for the toothless, 1-legged hooker who hops around Veracruz. Each city has enough women that you can find what you are looking for. Each city has enough women to keep you entertained.

[QUOTE=Banb92;2264123]Hello every one,

I need your help as I am organising my 2 weeks trip from 27 January to 10 February. I have anyway to begin with Bogota. As I prefer I prefer to visit cities near the see rather than Medellin: what kind experience or girl I would miss if I don't go to Medellin and that I can't find in Bogota? I saw in some reports that Bogota in the city with large offer with the good rate.

Many thanks.[/QUOTE]Bogota is not by the sea though. Medellin has milder weather. It's more like spring all year round in Medellin. Bogota is much larger and colder. In Medellin you'll experience a more authentic experience as north Bogota has become very americanized (think lots of Malls, restaurants and urban sprawl).

Dick pics, seriously? I just don't get why any guy would put themselves in that situation. The blackmail comment makes me think they guy had his face and his dick in the same pic. That is not clever.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2264227]Then enjoy. Earlier this year there was a guy who also found a "non-pro" she ended up blackmailing him with his dick pics. Just be careful.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2264278]On your points 1 through 6, if you're getting more than 50% of your Facebook girls matching those 6, you need to steer away from the low hanging fruit. Sure, there are plenty who are just like that. There are also plenty who match at most 1 or 2, who most never would expect anything from, yet they'll be happy to come meet a stranger who's 15-40 years older.[/QUOTE]I am reading the medellin reports and also I read a lot about FB girls. Can someone help me with the search of FB girls in Medellin. I have made a new FB profile, but cannot search Medellin girls.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=YankeeFan;2264228]I had a great 68 hours, from when I was dropped off from the airport taxi to when I stepped into the return to airport taxi, I was there Halloween weekend. Besides doing some touristy things, I had 6 sessions, all enjoyable. Many thanks to the forum, and especially the Medellin map, for making the trip such a success. I am a relative amateur, and am writing this for other newbies, I don't expect the more senior members to find it interesting. To give you a picture of where I'm coming from, I'm 60 plus years of age, very average looks, speak limited Spanish, and have no game, so I could never pick up a chica and get her to go back to my place, unless I spent a lot of money on her first. It is difficult for me to get away by myself, so I treasure the hobbyist trips I am able to take, have only had 3 before this one, to Athens, Panama City and Mexico City. I am not looking to make a connection with anyone, just looking for variety and quantity in my limited opportunities to engage in the hobby.

Fortunately, as I was pressed for time, New Life was around the corner, so I had my last session there, and the chicas seemed all different from the first time. I never felt rushed in any of my sessions. The ones at the hotel lasted more time, the last one almost an hour, but I had no problem with getting rushed during the 30 minute sessions at the casas. For hobbyists like me, who don't have interest in paying big bucks for one session, and for whom variety is the spice of life, Medellin is a great option.[/QUOTE]Good report and just wanted to thank you for your perspective and posting this as many others over the course of years ask and get their questions answered then make the trip but seldom follow through with any report let alone a much detailed one like yours.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2264214]I just heard from a chica that the Mansion was raided yesterday (last night?) and was closed down. Does anyone know anything about this? True? What happened?[/QUOTE]Investigation for [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] girls.

Just harassment from the majors office they have done the same thing to some strip clubs aslo.

The mansion is clean and all their paper work is in order so M1 will be back open soon M2 wasn't affected.

I hear the major of Medellin is going to require medical certification of sex works every 3 months.

The goal is to cut down on prostitution in Medellin.

[QUOTE=Banb92;2264123]Hello every one,

I need your help as I am organising my 2 weeks trip from 27 January to 10 February. I have anyway to begin with Bogota. As I prefer I prefer to visit cities near the see rather than Medellin: what kind experience or girl I would miss if I don't go to Medellin and that I can't find in Bogota? I saw in some reports that Bogota in the city with large offer with the good rate.

Many thanks.[/QUOTE]I feel like you will find the prettiest of pretty girls in Medellin then you will in Bogota. But Bogota has more spread out and is actually cheaper. Especially with airbnb's. I have noticed a very high increase in price for airbnb in Medellin vs Bogota. So much so that is actualyl cheaper in Medellin to stay in a nice hotel as the day price for a airbnb in Medellin is higher now. For example I found a great place in Chapineero for 25 a day, in Medellin the same place, centerally located goes for 75 a day.

BUT that super pretty doll paisa, are more rare to find in Bogota.

So choice is yours, also the weather, you won't need a jacket in Medellin.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2264415]Dick pics, seriously? I just don't get why any guy would put themselves in that situation. The blackmail comment makes me think they guy had his face and his dick in the same pic. That is not clever.[/QUOTE]His posts are on this Medellin forum too.

When I first got into this hobby I met a Colombian in Panama. It was all GFE and great. Later when I was skyping with her she started showing off her body. I almost "showed her mine" but noticed how quickly her hands went to the side of her phone. I still don't know if she was going to snap a screenshot but it sure looked like she was.

And she was full of shit in the end. Lies after lies after lies.

Sometimes we need to go through one of those to know better.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2264296] as north Bogota has become very americanized (think lots of Malls, restaurants and urban sprawl).[/QUOTE]Americanized? Except for the look of the girls. I have never seen so many pretty sexy girls in USA ROFL.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2264714]Later when I was skyping with her she started showing off her body. I almost "showed her mine" but noticed how quickly her hands went to the side of her phone. I still don't know if she was going to snap a screenshot but it sure looked like she was.[/QUOTE]I don't know how long ago that has been, but I have had this program on my phone that records the screen for a couple of years.

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DINNER PLATTER (FOR 2) with 16 tapas + crudites. $50.000.

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[QUOTE=BlackPage;2264736]Americanized? Except for the look of the girls. I have never seen so many pretty sexy girls in USA ROFL.[/QUOTE]El Poblado in Medellin is just as Americanized as anywhere in Bogota.

Very few people reading this forum will get an "authentic" experience, regardless of where they go. Very few people reading this forum want an authentic experience. What most want is to be able to convince themselves they've spent a few days, or a few weeks seeing the real Colombia, without having any idea what the real Colombia is like.

Trouble is, most think the real Colombia is cheap hookers, drugs and partying hard. It's like staying on the strip in Las Vegas to experience the real USA. There are cheap hookers, drugs and parties, more than enough to go around, but that's not Colombia. That's anywhere in the world. Prices change, languages change, but the scene is the same wherever you go.

Spend 3 or 4 weeks away from all that. No hookers, no drugs, no parties, none of the restaurants that charge over 9 k for a meal, no Uber, no taxis, no hanging with the gringos. Instead of Juan Valdez or Starbucks, spend 200 pesos for a paper cup of tinto from a street vendor. While you're at it, no air conditioning, no heating and no hot water.

Spend your days hanging out in the parks, chatting with the locals. Get up with the sunrise and watch the city wake up. Spend some evenings in the billiard parlors. Go watch tejo and some local football. If you do these things long enough, you will get an idea what the real Colombia is like.

I don't recommend any of this. It's not why you go to Colombia. You go for the hookers and the party. Why pass that up to hang out with boring old locals? However, unless this is how you plan on spending your vacation, it's pretty silly to choose one city or another to get a more authentic experience.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2264825]..............Spend 3 or 4 weeks away from all that. No hookers, no drugs, no parties, none of the restaurants that charge over 9 k for a meal, no Uber, no taxis, no hanging with the gringos. Instead of Juan Valdez or Starbucks, spend 200 pesos for a paper cup of tinto from a street vendor. While you're at it, no air conditioning, no heating and no hot water.......................[/QUOTE]I can do everything you say except the no hot water. Have you showered in cold water in Medellin?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2265037]I can do everything you say except the no hot water. Have you showered in cold water in Medellin?[/QUOTE]Yes I have. Spent 2 months in a very nice apartment with no water heater. However, I did install a heated shower head after about 2 weeks. Never was comfortable with it though. Having 220 v connected directly to the shower head doesn't seem safe, but it worked fine.

It's one of those things you forget when looking at apartments. You just assume every place has hot water.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2264825]Very few people reading this forum will get an "authentic" experience, regardless of where they go. Very few people reading this forum want an authentic experience. What most want is to be able to convince themselves they've spent a few days, or a few weeks seeing the real Colombia, without having any idea what the real Colombia is like.[/QUOTE]The real Colombia is boring as shit. Best to stay your ass in one of those major cities where there is enough fun to go around when you have money. You don't want to be caught out somewhere like Monteria, Boyaca, or Armenia unless you are retired and don't have shit else to do with your time.

P. S. They still have hookers in the local dive bars though. They may not be to your standards, but they definitely have them.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2265060]The real Colombia is boring as shit. Best to stay your ass in one of those major cities where there is enough fun to go around when you have money. You don't want to be caught out somewhere like Monteria, Boyaca, or Armenia unless you are retired and don't have shit else to do with your time.

P. S. They still have hookers in the local dive bars though. They may not be to your standards, but they definitely have them.[/QUOTE]The authentic (insert any country name) is boring as shit. That's why everyone spends so much time and money looking for the best fake stuff.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2265114]The authentic (insert any country name) is boring as shit. That's why everyone spends so much time and money looking for the best fake stuff.[/QUOTE]I grew up in the environment like you described, including the billiard parlors. We don't have shower. We had to burn wood to get hot water, but it was not boring. When I was walking around Centro in the area where they have many small industrial shops, I felt like going back in time.

It seems you define "authentic" experience very narrowly or for people living poorly. The hot water is generally not reliable except in the hotel. I had several meals for 6 K but it became 10 K when I switched from meat to fish. I told a local that I thought a restaurant charged me too much for a mondongo soup. The local said it is an expensive soup that I would be charged double if I go to a good restaurant. I went to Mondongos in Laureles, and the price is more than doubled but it came with several additional side dishes.

[QUOTE=WindAngel;2265212]I grew up in the environment like you described, including the billiard parlors. We don't have shower. We had to burn wood to get hot water, but it was not boring. When I was walking around Centro in the area where they have many small industrial shops, I felt like going back in time.

It seems you define "authentic" experience very narrowly or for people living poorly. The hot water is generally not reliable except in the hotel. I had several meals for 6 K but it became 10 K when I switched from meat to fish. I told a local that I thought a restaurant charged me too much for a mondongo soup. The local said it is an expensive soup that I would be charged double if I go to a good restaurant. I went to Mondongos in Laureles, and the price is more than doubled but it came with several additional side dishes.[/QUOTE]Except for the few people here who grew up with wealth, we all grew up experiencing our authentic country. It wasn't boring growing up. However, try going back to it 40 years later, after having seen the world.

In Medellin there are several levels of authentic. You'll find the authentic estrato 5 people in Laureles and in some areas of El Centro. You'll rarely find them in El Poblado. El Poblado is where Paisas with money go to get away from where they grew up.

I define authentic as how the majority live. The majority don't spend 80,000 COP a night for a hotel, or 25 k for a meal. The majority don't sell their ass to gringos, or have their girlfriends sell it. The majority don't take taxis everywhere. And in Medellin, the majority don't have hot water.

For a free, authentic experience in Medellin, spend election day riding the Metro. The Metro is free on election day, so everyone uses it to visit other parts of the city, especially the areas serviced by the Metrocable. Be prepared for long lines and being packed in like sardines. These are the people who view riding the train as an adventure. It's exciting. It's as close as many of them will ever come to traveling. If you can handle the crowds it's quite an interesting experience.

And if you're in Laureles, try Rico Ajiaco, just south of Mondongos. It's about the same price, but a less commercialized restaurant.

That about the metro on election days. In fact, it's even more authentic than usual because of all the people who don't normally take the metro. I was with a friend with benefits for a short ride on the tranvia from San Antonio to a restaurant we like near the mercado del tranvia during the first round of the recent presiential. We tapped out after a couple of stops. It was just too crowded. Neither of us wanted to walk but we agreed it was preferable to being mashed like bugs. It was more authentic than either of us were ready to accept.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2265391]Except for the few people here who grew up with wealth, we all grew up experiencing our authentic country. It wasn't boring growing up. However, try going back to it 40 years later, after having seen the world.

In Medellin there are several levels of authentic. You'll find the authentic estrato 5 people in Laureles and in some areas of El Centro. You'll rarely find them in El Poblado. El Poblado is where Paisas with money go to get away from where they grew up.

I define authentic as how the majority live. The majority don't spend 80,000 COP a night for a hotel, or 25 k for a meal. The majority don't sell their ass to gringos, or have their girlfriends sell it. The majority don't take taxis everywhere. And in Medellin, the majority don't have hot water..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HappyShiva;2264622]I am reading the medellin reports and also I read a lot about FB girls. Can someone help me with the search of FB girls in Medellin. I have made a new FB profile, but cannot search Medellin girls.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Here are some names to start with. Friend them and look at their friend list (if it's not blocked) and friend them too. Also, look at their pics, they often tag their friends' names.

Vane Restrepo.

Marilin San Marin.

Xiomara Isazs.

Deyna Bedoya.

Olga Castrillon.

Dulce Queen.

Stefany Duque.

[QUOTE=Queens35;2265631]Here are some names to start with. Friend them and look at their friend list (if it's not blocked) and friend them too. Also, look at their pics, they often tag their friends' names.
[/QUOTE]I made a jump on my chair. One of those names corresponds to a friend of mine! (but she's not from Medellin).

I have not many friends on FB, and they are girls I met in the past, just in case I wish to get in touch with Messenger. I met her as she was in P4 P, of course, but I did not expect to find her posted here. However, I don't think she's the same girl. My friend not only lives in another city, but also she posts only photos of her family and barrio boys.

By the way, most of those names are very common, so for the same name of my friend I found several girls making a seach on FB, but none of them living in Medellin. The residual question would be then: if one wants to look for those names, should he add "Medellin" as place? At least for that name, it does not work.

I had a last minute work trip to Medellin for first time and then I started doing research and came here. Made an account and tried to upgrade credit card declined so will have to do it in cash. No time to get to premium membership.

My company has booked Dan Carlton in El Pablado.

I speak no Spanish whatsoever.

I want to bang about 6 chicks over 3 days. Really hot one somewhat good budget like 250 per girl. But I want good ones and ones with BBBJ. A must.

Any pointers on where to look for quality as I don't have as much time in between work and such. Like few hours a day and one full day.

Also is my Hotel going ti allow girls in? How would they know if they working girls etc. Just trying to get my feet wet.

I should have been here two weeks ago but trip got booked last minute as my company acquired company in Medellin.

Thanks guys for help in advance.

I just got word my membership cleared. Glad to be posting. I am going to Colombia the first week in February and staying to 2-3 weeks. I will visit Medellin and Bogota. Just wanted to introduce and maybe connect up with some people down there. I am from the USA and this will be by first visit to Colombia. I went to Ukraine a few times over the years, so this will be a new scene. Hope everyone had a good Christmas.

[QUOTE=Queens35;2265631]Here are some names to start with. Friend them and look at their friend list (if it's not blocked) and friend them too. Also, look at their pics, they often tag their friends' names.

Vane Restrepo.

Marilin San Marin.

Xiomara Isazs.

Deyna Bedoya.

Olga Castrillon.

Dulce Queen.

Stefany Duque.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot, I appreciate.

Not going to do an actual report just a quick pic for all the ass lovers out there. Made a stop in Medellin visited New Life. Nothing new to report same ol same ol. There were like 15 girls when I went.

[QUOTE=MusttMustt;2266220]I had a last minute work trip to Medellin for first time and then I started doing research and came here. Made an account and tried to upgrade credit card declined so will have to do it in cash. No time to get to premium membership.

My company has booked Dan Carlton in El Pablado.

I speak no Spanish whatsoever.

I want to bang about 6 chicks over 3 days. Really hot one somewhat good budget like 250 per girl. But I want good ones and ones with BBBJ. A must.

Any pointers on where to look for quality as I don't have as much time in between work and such. Like few hours a day and one full day.

Also is my Hotel going ti allow girls in? How would they know if they working girls etc. Just trying to get my feet wet.

[/QUOTE]First, are you talking about dollars or COP? If dollars, get 250 out of your head. 300,000 COP for one hour (less than $100) should be the max.

Since you don't have much time to plan, and will be there for only 3 days, I suggest you go to Luna Lunera and La Isla. You can communicate with the ladies there and discuss what you want before choosing. You will probably have to communicate with Google Translate, but desperate situations require desperate actions.

The hotel doesn't have to know whether or not they are working girls. All they have to do is restrict entry to registered guests only. I don't know about the Dann Carlton, buy my inclination is they don't allow unregistered guests. It is one of the upscale hotels.

One more piece of advice you didn't ask for. Figure out which of your debit cards charges the less for foreign transactions and use it to get money from ATM's. Use BBVA and Davivienda ATM's. Those banks don't charge a fee, so you'll only be paying the fee your bank charges. The exchange places will pay about 10% less than the ATM's.

In only three days I think it would be very hard to rack up noticeable ATM fees unless you are making frequent withdrawals all day every day.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2266563]First, are you talking about dollars or COP? If dollars, get 250 out of your head. 300,000 COP for one hour (less than $100) should be the max.

Since you don't have much time to plan, and will be there for only 3 days, I suggest you go to Luna Lunera and La Isla. You can communicate with the ladies there and discuss what you want before choosing. You will probably have to communicate with Google Translate, but desperate situations require desperate actions.

The hotel doesn't have to know whether or not they are working girls. All they have to do is restrict entry to registered guests only. I don't know about the Dann Carlton, buy my inclination is they don't allow unregistered guests. It is one of the upscale hotels.

One more piece of advice you didn't ask for. Figure out which of your debit cards charges the less for foreign transactions and use it to get money from ATM's. Use BBVA and Davivienda ATM's. Those banks don't charge a fee, so you'll only be paying the fee your bank charges. The exchange places will pay about 10% less than the ATM's.[/QUOTE]

So my flight was late but I finally made it. Checked into hotel early and took a nap. Aroun 4 I went to New Life for my first quick look the place. Price was low. Like 50 k for 30 minutes not bad. I choose one good looking girl. May be 25. Others weren't my type. Only 6 were available. We go and no BBBJ. Or kissing. I am realizing GFE is probably not going to happen. I am not trying to fuck without a condom. But quality chick to spend few hours be nice. She did suck good with condom and I nutted and then went for dinner.

About to head out to La Isla to scope out and may be her couple of numbers so I can have the girl come to my hotel if we hit off and may be have GFE.

Women in street fucking hot. Every where. Cleavage. Tight ass. And low cut tops common. Its fun just to be here. Unlike fat ugly crazy bitches we see a lot in our home country. Ratio is definitely way better here.

I am realizing that putting more effort next time around on dating site or learning Spanish be better to find a more fin thing. But its a good start.

Busy tomorrow with work so time to mine numbers at both clubs and talk to them about what I exactly want.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2266563]One more piece of advice you didn't ask for. Figure out which of your debit cards charges the less for foreign transactions and use it to get money from ATM's. Use BBVA and Davivienda ATM's. Those banks don't charge a fee, so you'll only be paying the fee your bank charges. The exchange places will pay about 10% less than the ATM's.[/QUOTE]The ATM and CC advice is appreciated.

I'm curious what is the most you can get out of an ATM?

I'm also curious what is the current exchange rate in mde?

I have a exchange place close to my job they told me it's a a dollar to 10 dollar fee no Matter how much I exchange and the current rate 1 usd - 2700 pesos I forgot exact. Online quote today is 3,245.91 , the teller told me I wouldn't get that rate anywhere online always shows higher.

I'the prefer to exchange most of my spending money and not have to use an ATM day to day.

Thanks for all your contributions, Any advice is appreciated.

[QUOTE=NYCassman;2266859]The ATM and CC advice is appreciated.

I'm curious what is the most you can get out of an ATM?

I'm also curious what is the current exchange rate in mde?

I have a exchange place close to my job they told me it's a a dollar to 10 dollar fee no Matter how much I exchange and the current rate 1 usd - 2700 pesos I forgot exact. Online quote today is 3,245.91 , the teller told me I wouldn't get that rate anywhere online always shows higher.

I'the prefer to exchange most of my spending money and not have to use an ATM day to day.


Thanks for all your contributions, Any advice is appreciated.[/QUOTE]Here is my experience, and what I do now.

The worst way to change money is stateside in a bank. The next worst is in a Colombian cambio or bank. These facilities set their own rates and are not obligated to make it anything gpod or bad. The margins on buying and selling are outrageous. Maybe something lunatic like 2700 and 3700. It has been repeated time and again that the best way to get COP cash is an ATM withdrawl in pesos once there. That is the reality.

Mastercard / Visa ATM transactions occur at the daily published currency exchange rate by Mastercard or Visa and which you can look up online and is published daily. That point understood, there are essentially 3 other variables to consider.

1) ATM withdrawal fee charged by your card issuer.

2) Forex transaction fee also charged by your card issuer.

3) ATM utilization fee charged by the ATM owner / local bank.

Of the above variable, certain cards are more favorable, and certain ones are not. Also some people disregard an extra 4%, 5% or even 10% for convenience and others want the best possible conversion. So it is a matter of choice as well. For the frequent traveller or the person resident there, it makes sense to have the best deal as these fees can add up significantly over time.

I took a closer look at this after a particularly irksome experience this year. Let me demonstrate how horrible it can be, I was in the DR mid year and cambios were exchanging $USD for 43-44/1 and were acting rude and there was a line. So I left the line and went to the ATM at my hotel. Well, it had an ATM fee of $5 USD, then my bank charged $2 for foreign ATM use, and finally a 3% foreign transaction fee, and worse yet, maximum allowed withdrawal was 5000 Dominican pesos or 100 USD. The saving grace was the 49.85 conversion rate, which effectively meant I converted for about 45:1. Still better than the freaking cambio and in the comfort and security of my A / see hotel lobby.

Since we are on the topic, the the best scenario of all is when you get the trifecta right. IE Low or no or refunded ATM fees on both sides and get a no foreign transaction fees card. The schwab brokerage debit card fits all three criteria. Other brokerages like fidelity and interactive brokers come very close as well. If you have an account with any of them, just get their debit card and use away.

Finally whenever spending consider a travel credit card with no forex fees. Mine for example charges nothing for foreign transactions and gives me 2% cash back. Thats a 12% swing over my DR experience!

[QUOTE=NYCassman;2266859]The ATM and CC advice is appreciated.

I'm curious what is the most you can get out of an ATM?

I'm also curious what is the current exchange rate in mde?

I have a exchange place close to my job they told me it's a a dollar to 10 dollar fee no Matter how much I exchange and the current rate 1 usd - 2700 pesos I forgot exact. Online quote today is 3,245.91 , the teller told me I wouldn't get that rate anywhere online always shows higher.

I'the prefer to exchange most of my spending money and not have to use an ATM day to day.[/QUOTE]Most ATM's allow you to withdrawal up to 600,000 ($183) pesos at a time. You can usually do 2 withdrawals back to back from the same ATM. I once pulled 2.4 million pesos (4 withdrawals) back to back at the airport upon arrival. It was 2 different ATM's (difft banks) that were next to each other.

Current exchange rate is 3275. You should get something close to that when pulling out of the ATM. If you exchange at one of the exchange places, you will probably get about 2800 per dollar. Ripoff.

[URL]http://www.banrep.gov.co/en/node/29467[/URL]

If you sign up for the Schwab account link below, they refund all ATM fees at the end of each month. You need to sign up for an investor account too, but you don't need to keep any money in it or make any trades. Takes 4 biz day to transfer money from your bank to Schwab account.

Link to open a Schwab account: [URL]https://www.schwab.com/public/schwab/banking_lending/checking_account[/URL].

If you can do 2 600 k withdrawals which is about $360, it should last about 2-3 days.

Just a security reminder. Schwab and ATM fees may not be so important after all other potential fees. Anyone who posts here that the city is safe is a cuckoo.

[URL]https://www.eltiempo.com/colombia/medellin/confirman-muerte-de-docente-turco-ramazan-gencay-en-medellin-309238[/URL]

Online reviews sound good but maybe postured. Any of you guys have knowledge of these guys? Again, I searched the forum and nothing came up even using quotes "Medellin VIP". Not sure what's up with the search function.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Questner;2266983]Just a security reminder. Schwab and ATM fees may not be so important after all other potential fees. Anyone who posts here that the city is safe is a cuckoo.

[URL]https://www.eltiempo.com/colombia/medellin/confirman-muerte-de-docente-turco-ramazan-gencay-en-medellin-309238[/URL][/QUOTE]The english articles on-line just say he was at a "salsa club" but the article from eltiempo says he went to a "sector" to talk to women. He uses the verb "departir" which I'm not too familiar with when used in Colombia.

Day 1.

I'm an idiot on so many levels. I arrive in Medellin, and try to setup my cell phone. Turns out I did not buy the international model, as intended. Then I took the bus to Hotel Botero. $3 right to my hotel. Just in time to grab a quick shower, and a below average street walker before the sun sets on Centro. Then it set, and I saw children and young women. What was I afraid of? It's 6:30 pm. Well, I got promptly robbed at knife point.

Then, because I'm an idiot, I didn't hand it over. I said in English, "Okay, I'll give you the money. " I started to reach for it when one of them reached in my pocket and grabbed a 4 year old iphone. On instinct I grabbed his wrist, and firmly growled, "I'll give you. The money. " There was a tense moment, then they took off empty handed. I only have a couple hundred words of Spanish, and they had even fewer English.

So dumb. I could have been killed. Afterwords a man told me my clothes were too nice for this neighborhood. I left my fancy watch and jewelry at home, but never thought about my clothes. The next day I bought a used phone with a cracked screen for $30 to use for my stay. Should be good for handing over to knife wielding maniacs too.

Thanks to you all I really appreciate the detailed responses.

I like to have more than enough money but 2 withdrawals at 600000 peso should be good for the day.

I've actually pulled up atms on google maps and there is one on my block where I'm staying and several close by.

[QUOTE=Fmc858;2266984]Online reviews sound good but maybe postured. Any of you guys have knowledge of these guys? Again, I searched the forum and nothing came up even using quotes "Medellin VIP". Not sure what's up with the search function.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]If nothing came up it's because nobody here uses them. The people who use their service tend to be the sort of people who don't spend a lot of time on research. They just find someone who will take their money and get what they want.

If you have that kind of money to spend to get laid, $300-$1000 per nut, (plus airfare) in a place where expensive sex is $70-$100, then that's probably a good place to call.

The question is, what are you looking for in Medellin? There are plenty of people here who can point you in the right direction, but first we need to know where you want to go.

I enjoyed the article about chicha, the ancient indigenous alcoholic drink that is becoming popular with hipster millennial.

So yes, to your point, Medellin is no different than other major metropolitan areas around the world of similar size. There are killing and a minority of the victims are foreigners. Research it, you will find confirmation. Your point is well taken. Medellin is not Shangri-la. You can get yourself in trouble there. It is less likely to happen if we take reasonable precautions and avoid dickhead behavior. That is easier for some than others.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2266989]The english articles on-line just say he was at a "salsa club" but the article from eltiempo says he went to a "sector" to talk to women. He uses the verb "departir" which I'm not too familiar with when used in Colombia.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2266989]The english articles on-line just say he was at a "salsa club" but the article from eltiempo says he went to a "sector" to talk to women. He uses the verb "departir" which I'm not too familiar with when used in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Departir means leaving. "a departir con unas mujeres" = "as he was leaving with some women".

[QUOTE=MstrNinja;2267127]Day 1.

I'm an idiot on so many levels. I arrive in Medellin, and try to setup my cell phone. Turns out I did not buy the international model, as intended. Then I took the bus to Hotel Botero. $3 right to my hotel. Just in time to grab a quick shower, and a below average street walker before the sun sets on Centro. Then it set, and I saw children and young women. What was I afraid of? It's 6:30 pm. Well, I got promptly robbed at knife point.

Then, because I'm an idiot, I didn't hand it over. I said in English, "Okay, I'll give you the money. " I started to reach for it when one of them reached in my pocket and grabbed a 4 year old iphone. On instinct I grabbed his wrist, and firmly growled, "I'll give you. The money. " There was a tense moment, then they took off empty handed. I only have a couple hundred words of Spanish, and they had even fewer English.

So dumb. I could have been killed. Afterwords a man told me my clothes were too nice for this neighborhood. I left my fancy watch and jewelry at home, but never thought about my clothes. The next day I bought a used phone with a cracked screen for $30 to use for my stay. Should be good for handing over to knife wielding maniacs too.[/QUOTE]Wow man. That's crazy. I am new here but it seems quite clear (especially now) that el centro after dark is no place for a solo gringo to be strolling around. Thanks for sharing this and I'm glad you're OK.

[QUOTE=MstrNinja;2267127]. Well, I got promptly robbed at knife point.

Then, because I'm an idiot, I didn't hand it over. I said in English, "Okay, I'll give you the money. " I started to reach for it when one of them reached in my pocket and grabbed a 4 year old iphone. On instinct I grabbed his wrist, and firmly growled, "I'll give you. The money. " There was a tense moment, then they took off empty handed. I only have a couple hundred words of Spanish, and they had even fewer English..[/QUOTE]What location was this? I hit the streets 10 a to 4 p and then strip clubs or Yakuza (the Casa right across from the hotel Botero) after that in Centro. You can take yakuza girls across the street to your room no exit charge, 50 kish for 1/2 HR.

In the interest of helping others avoid what happened, where did the attempted robbery take place? Was it in front of your hotel, behind the Veracruz church, somewhere else? Did it happen before, during, or after you picked up the below average street walker?

Don't be so hard on yourself. You dodged a bullet and I doubt you will repeat the mistake. If you had it to do over again (and you do, every night you are here) you will probably notice how people are dressed compared to how you dress. We all have our moments. I remember a few years ago walking past a sporting good store on Avenida Paulista in Sao Paulo when I noticed a the same pair of Asics trail shoes I was wearing on display in the store window. I stopped in my tracks when I worked out the reals / dollar conversion. They were on sale for more than $300. I turned on my heels and quickly walked by to my hotel to change shoes. I bought those shoes for something like $50 on sale at a mall but a potential local thug would not know that or care.

I'm relieved you were not harmed. I hope you enjoy the rest of your trip. Again, I'm very curious about where the attempted robbery happened because I know it can happen most anywhere.

[QUOTE=MstrNinja;2267127]Day 1.

I'm an idiot on so many levels. I arrive in Medellin, and try to setup my cell phone. Turns out I did not buy the international model, as intended. Then I took the bus to Hotel Botero. $3 right to my hotel. Just in time to grab a quick shower, and a below average street walker before the sun sets on Centro. Then it set, and I saw children and young women. What was I afraid of? It's 6:30 pm. Well, I got promptly robbed at knife point.

Then, because I'm an idiot, I didn't hand it over. I said in English, "Okay, I'll give you the money. " I started to reach for it when one of them reached in my pocket and grabbed a 4 year old iphone. On instinct I grabbed his wrist, and firmly growled, "I'll give you. The money. " There was a tense moment, then they took off empty handed. I only have a couple hundred words of Spanish, and they had even fewer English.

So dumb. I could have been killed. Afterwords a man told me my clothes were too nice for this neighborhood. I left my fancy watch and jewelry at home, but never thought about my clothes. The next day I bought a used phone with a cracked screen for $30 to use for my stay. Should be good for handing over to knife wielding maniacs too.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Midwest;2267264]Departir means leaving. "a departir con unas mujeres" = "as he was leaving with some women".[/QUOTE]Everywhere I checked online it says to "converse" or "chat. " I usually use the verb "salir" for leaving a place.

EDIT: I just looked at the article again: "sali a un sector a departir con unas mujeres" salio meaning they left.

EDIT2: OK after re-reading the entire sentence again as best I can tell he's saying after his seminar he left to a place to chat with some women. BTW, I think its funny that they have it in bold in the article.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2267220]The question is, what are you looking for in Medellin? There are plenty of people here who can point you in the right direction, but first we need to know where you want to go.[/QUOTE]Thanks Jj.

This morning I told the guy I was going to pass. It seemed like a total waste. While guidance is appreciated and something I will need, handholding the whole time is not. Nor is pissing away money unnecessarily. What he wanted for a one bedroom was double what I found an awesome 2 bedroom AirBNB for and the place allows guests with ID and registration, which is what I want.

My goal for the trip is to see some sights, relax and reflect on wtf I am doing in life, get some sun, mix with the culture, drink strong coffee, and spend time with some beautiful women. I used to party a lot but I am sober now and really want to stay away from it, as tempting as the high quality favors supposedly are in Medellin. So I probably won't be going out combing nightclubs and bars for ass. I fear doing that might get me into trouble in more ways than one.

I have been on a couple of the escort websites and the girls look smoking hot but I can't see faces and a pretty face is way more attractive to me than huge fake tits and ass. Ideally I find one that wants to come hang out at the pool, relax, hook-up, go out to eat, etc. But I know that's going to cost me and might be better sought after on CC or Tinder.

Lastly, I would like to check out the casas and strip clubs just for the experience. Not getting robbed, drugged, or murdered is of utmost importance though so I want to know where and when I should and shouldn't go. There is a lot of commentary here on that so I will keep reading. Of course, any firm guidance is always appreciated.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2267322]
EDIT2: OK after re-reading the entire sentence again as best I can tell he's saying after his seminar he left to a place to chat with some women. BTW, I think its funny that they have it in bold in the article.[/QUOTE]Or maybe departir also means to mingle, or socialize in this context.

'departir' is this context means 'to party'.

[QUOTE=Questner;2267374]'departir' is this context means 'to party'.[/QUOTE]I just have to go to Medellin & clear this up. Need to interview a lot of mujeres. Probably will take me at least week. Have no choice!

Hi,

I have read a lot about the fb approach and have created a profile recently. I started sending friend requests and also messages but the response rate is very very low. I should have contacted at least 50 or so. Am I missing something? What are some tips that experts can share here for success? Do you just send friend request or message or both? Also I keep getting "please confirm you know this person before sending friend request". Does fb vlock us if we send a lot of requests to unknown persons? Thanks any insights are much appreciated.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2267312]
I'm relieved you were not harmed. I hope you enjoy the rest of your trip. Again, I'm very curious about where the attempted robbery happened because I know it can happen most anywhere.[/QUOTE]I have been used to walk around the Centro daytime and after sunset since my first time in Medellin, say almost 10 years ago, under the metro Prado and in small streets around, even around midnight. Said this, I will never be tired to repeat here to anyone considering to venture in Centro that it's DANGEROUS. Dangerous, period.

I remember a guy posting here the photos of his muscles, like claiming that he knows how to self-defend in a hostile environment. The only defense is NO DAR PAPAYA, that is to not attract attention. Which means not only to avoid exhibiting something expensive, but also a dress style that may make you noticed as "different" from the average crowd and lead people to think you are unaware of the surroundings and have money with you.

99.9% of people around you in Centro are harmless. Poor and desperate, but harmless. The problem is the residual 0. 1%, who can be anywhere and be really nasty. Don't attract their attention and you are safe.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2267526]................99.9% of people around you in Centro are harmless. Poor and desperate, but harmless. The problem is the residual 0. 1%, who can be anywhere and be really nasty. Don't attract their attention and you are safe.[/QUOTE]One evening some years ago I was walking in El Centro while talking on my Samsung Galaxy S6 and two blokes made a grab at my phone. No weapons were produced and there were people around. I held on to my phone and successfully warded them off. I am certain they were not criminals but ordinary guys who saw an opportunity. Part of the 99.9% as you put it. Be careful out there.

[QUOTE=Fmc858;2267327]Thanks Jj.

This morning I told the guy I was going to pass. It seemed like a total waste. While guidance is appreciated and something I will need, handholding the whole time is not. Nor is pissing away money unnecessarily. What he wanted for a one bedroom was double what I found an awesome 2 bedroom AirBNB for and the place allows guests with ID and registration, which is what I want.

My goal for the trip is to see some sights, relax and reflect on wtf I am doing in life, get some sun, mix with the culture, drink strong coffee, and spend time with some beautiful women. I used to party a lot but I am sober now and really want to stay away from it, as tempting as the high quality favors supposedly are in Medellin. So I probably won't be going out combing nightclubs and bars for ass. I fear doing that might get me into trouble in more ways than one.[/QUOTE]You're off to a good start. You've already got the lodging figured out, which is a huge help. You've also started reading the forum, which is crucial.

Let's start with the last part first. Casas and strip clubs. Most of the casas close at 7 or 8 pm. My preference is to visit between late morning and mid afternoon. Get the Medellin map, or get the Medellin Chica List PDF and make your own map. You'll find there are several casas within walking distance of each other. Use street view to locate the entrance. It will be a plain security door. No sign, just the street number above the door.

Some doors are easy to find. New Life has a blue door, Aiffe has a red door. Sexxy Amigas has a dark brown door. Work out a path for 4 or 5 casas to check out. You'll probably want to take a taxi to the first one. If you remember your map, you can then walk to the next one, if you don't find what you're looking for.

Strip clubs are for night time, after 11 pm the options are better. Fase Dos is probably your best option, unless you want the high end at La Isla. The rooms available at Fase Dos are nice and clean. If you want to try the lower end, Club Maracaibo and Barra Ejecutiva are probably where you should go. There are just a few doors separating the 2 clubs, so you can walk from one to the other. The rooms are kind of nasty, but they'll do. Or you can always exchange WhatsApp numbers and set something up for later.

CC and Tinder will also cost you, usually. Especially, if you're wanting every date to finish with something more than a kiss on the cheek. However, it's not a bad option, especially considering what you are looking for. I'd avoid the escort services. You'll pay too much and there's a lot of bait and switch.

Combing the night clubs for ass isn't necessary. If you're wanting to enjoy the culture, just prepare some questions, depending on your Spanish skills, and ask the nearest attractive woman. Waitresses are a good choice, but almost anyone in Medellin will answer your questions. If you're asking about local attractions, and the girl shows some interest, just tell her "necesito una guia", "I need a guide. " Do it in a joking manner and she might volunteer. If you're too serious, she might call up her uncle to guide you.

Have a good trip.

[QUOTE=Allaboutter;2267401]Hi,

I have read a lot about the fb approach and have created a profile recently. I started sending friend requests and also messages but the response rate is very very low. I should have contacted at least 50 or so. Am I missing something? What are some tips that experts can share here for success? Do you just send friend request or message or both? Also I keep getting "please confirm you know this person before sending friend request". Does fb vlock us if we send a lot of requests to unknown persons? Thanks any insights are much appreciated.[/QUOTE]Just confirm you know the person if Facebook asks.

The response rate is very low because they see you as a waste of time. You probably have a basically blank profile, sending out friend requests and immediate messages. They get friend requests from blank profiles all the time.

Add to your profile. Throw in some pictures, share some memes, preferably some in Spanish. Make it interesting, make it real. Make some connections to Medellin Facebook groups or businesses. You want your profile to indicate a person who is serious about coming to Medellin, instead of a person who is just going to ask "me mandas fotos desnudas por favor?

When will you be in Medellin? If your trip is more than 2 weeks away, don't bother sending messages, just work on filling up your page and sending friend requests. Save the messages until you're about ready to leave. Keep your messages short and polite. A little bit of flirting is fine, but sending something like "Hi. I want to fuck you. How much do you charge" isn't going to be extremely successful.

[QUOTE=MstrNinja;2267127]Day 1.

I'm an idiot on so many levels. I arrive in Medellin, and try to setup my cell phone. Turns out I did not buy the international model, as intended. Then I took the bus to Hotel Botero. $3 right to my hotel. Just in time to grab a quick shower, and a below average street walker before the sun sets on Centro. Then it set, and I saw children and young women. What was I afraid of? It's 6:30 pm. Well, I got promptly robbed at knife point.

Then, because I'm an idiot, I didn't hand it over. I said in English, "Okay, I'll give you the money. " I started to reach for it when one of them reached in my pocket and grabbed a 4 year old iphone. On instinct I grabbed his wrist, and firmly growled, "I'll give you. The money. " There was a tense moment, then they took off empty handed. I only have a couple hundred words of Spanish, and they had even fewer English.

So dumb. I could have been killed. Afterwords a man told me my clothes were too nice for this neighborhood. I left my fancy watch and jewelry at home, but never thought about my clothes. The next day I bought a used phone with a cracked screen for $30 to use for my stay. Should be good for handing over to knife wielding maniacs too.[/QUOTE]Dumb yes but your ok. Where exactly did this happen? How did it go down? Time of day? We can all learn from this.

Yes dress down, sometime I wear what I consider rags with a pair of old beat up and dirty tennis shoes, I am able to relax and enjoy the street pussy.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2267592]Dumb yes but your ok. Where exactly did this happen? How did it go down? Time of day? We can all learn from this.

Yes dress down, sometime I wear what I consider rags with a pair of old beat up and dirty tennis shoes, I am able to relax and enjoy the street pussy.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Yeah my advice to guys I have hanged out with in MED is when doing walks around Centro dress like you are going to Home Depot, save the nice clothes for a cab to Fase II.

[QUOTE=Allaboutter;2267401]I have read a lot about the fb approach and have created a profile recently. I started sending friend requests and also messages but the response rate is very very low. I should have contacted at least 50 or so. Am I missing something? What are some tips that experts can share here for success?[/QUOTE]Keep in mind its not unusual for these girls to get a dozen messages and friend requests a day. Make sure they can see your face in your profile pic, keep your initial message short and straight to the point, that you're visiting Colombia and would love to meet. 50 is nothing, I've messaged hundreds. Also give them time to respond, I've had some reply after a year!

[QUOTE] Do you just send friend request or message or both? [/QUOTE]Both, unless they block one or the other.

[QUOTE]Also I keep getting "please confirm you know this person before sending friend request". Does fb vlock us if we send a lot of requests to unknown persons? Thanks any insights are much appreciated.[/QUOTE]FB will absolutely start to temporarily block your messages if you send out too many in a day. Not sure what the hard limit is. 20 or so? Pace yourself.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2267567]One evening some years ago I was walking in El Centro while talking on my Samsung Galaxy S6 and two blokes made a grab at my phone. No weapons were produced and there were people around. I held on to my phone and successfully warded them off. I am certain they were not criminals but ordinary guys who saw an opportunity. Part of the 99.9% as you put it. Be careful out there.[/QUOTE]A similar thing happened to my friends daughter in Medellin, a guy on a moto tried to grab her purse but successfully managed to resist the attempt.

I am not sure in which barrio this happened.

She is probably seen as a easy target as she is a young little blonde woman in her early twenties.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2267567]One evening some years ago I was walking in El Centro while talking on my Samsung Galaxy S6 and two blokes made a grab at my phone. No weapons were produced and there were people around. I held on to my phone and successfully warded them off. I am certain they were not criminals but ordinary guys who saw an opportunity. Part of the 99.9% as you put it. Be careful out there.[/QUOTE]"Not criminals", haha LOL 😅

[QUOTE=Midwest;2267384]I just have to go to Medellin & clear this up. Need to interview a lot of mujeres. Probably will take me at least week. Have no choice![/QUOTE]Have fun, hehe.

A chica I asked told me it means to "share. " I then showed her the article and she said yeah he went to share. She doesn't speak much English so I'm starting to think she doesn't know what "share" in English really means in this context.

[QUOTE=Talon;2267690]Keep in mind its not unusual for these girls to get a dozen messages and friend requests a day. Make sure they can see your face in your profile pic, keep your initial message short and straight to the point, that you're visiting Colombia and would love to meet. 50 is nothing, I've messaged hundreds. Also give them time to respond, I've had some reply after a year!

Both, unless they block one or the other.

FB will absolutely start to temporarily block your messages if you send out too many in a day. Not sure what the hard limit is. 20 or so? Pace yourself.[/QUOTE]Thanks so much, appreciate the insight.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2267567]One evening some years ago I was walking in El Centro while talking on my Samsung Galaxy S6 and two blokes made a grab at my phone. No weapons were produced and there were people around. I held on to my phone and successfully warded them off. I am certain they were not criminals but ordinary guys who saw an opportunity. Part of the 99.9% as you put it. Be careful out there.[/QUOTE]Stealing is a crime hence those guys that tried to steal your phone were criminals, Jeez.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2267567]One evening some years ago I was walking in El Centro while talking on my Samsung Galaxy S6 and two blokes made a grab at my phone. No weapons were produced and there were people around. I held on to my phone and successfully warded them off. I am certain they were not criminals but ordinary guys who saw an opportunity. Part of the 99.9% as you put it. Be careful out there.[/QUOTE]You probably already know this but almost anywhere in Colombia if you don't see other people walk around and talk on their phone (North Bogota, tourist areas in Cartagena), always step into a doorway or into a store and do it. In particular in centro Medellin I've never seen someone talk on their cellphone out in the open. I've always seen them huddled in a corner or inside of a building doing it.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2267708]Have fun, hehe.

A chica I asked told me it means to "share. " I then showed her the article and she said yeah he went to share. She doesn't speak much English so I'm starting to think she doesn't know what "share" in English really means in this context.[/QUOTE]That will be 'compartir'. Anyway, 'departir' is always used in a negative, hard sense, no innocent parties here.

I have been to other cities in Columbia and it was so hot that spoiled my trip. It looks like MDE has nice weather year round. I will keep reading the reports but if anyone has something up to date I would appreciate it.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2267817]I have been to other cities in Columbia and it was so hot that spoiled my trip. It looks like MDE has nice weather year round. I will keep reading the reports but if anyone has something up to date I would appreciate it.[/QUOTE]I imagine you mean the country of "Colombia". 🤪

I'm thinking about booking a holiday in 2019 to Colombia & asking some questions prior.

1. What kind of budget do you guys work with when you do your mongering trips to Colombia?

2. How long do you guys normally stay when you do your mongering trips?

3. If I go to Medellin, what are some other activities to do besides mongering, especially in the day time?

4. I've read that sex work is legal, are there red light districts & if so what's the going rate normally?

Thanks in advance guys, I'm currently on Colombian Cupid & improving my Spanish online, just trying to get as much information before departing.

Arrived took airport bus 3 $ to Hotel Botero Medellin $30 night, clean safe first time in Medellin have many years in Costa Rica, almost 100% Spanish fluency, Have big city experience so el centro was fun, but I need to be a little more careful.

Loved the strip clubs club ejecutive, conejitos and neuava grill, picked several girls up, mostly hit them right in club, also had a FB girl and a dynamite vercruz street girl have lots of FB connections already most expensive girl was 65 $ , also spent a few days in Poblado in air be&be, I prefer el cento, found a great Indian veg restaurant, loved versailes.

And a China grill, saw almost no gringos in el centro except one boob 50 ish walking arm and arm with a very young chicsa like he owned the place, love parque bolivar art market on Saturday, checked out Paris and New Life didn't touch, I like to talk to a girl a while before.

I go with her, I am used to the Del Rey and sportsman in CR, This place blows CR away in terms of girls, price and experience, had 9 girls (have trouble going night after night) but 6 of them were straight up girl friend experience except always condom with penetration.

Botero hotel was a lot of families did not feel comfortable bringing chicas, except when my night friend is on after 8 pm, Airb&be had so many family units not so comfortable, loved the restaurants in Manila had a west village vibe but to many Americans, did metro and uber, I need to be more careful bouncing from conejito to hotel after 9 at night after reading here. Met an older women on CC in bello spent the day on a date ha ha, Got a buddy in Bello too rents a 3 bedroom apt for 350 $.

A few questions.

How can I pay for a membership here?

Any air be&be recommendations less then 40 $ night in any area with a very private entrance that you can recco?

I got mine last minute for 30 $ in Manilla.

[QUOTE=Rudebwoy100;2268074]I'm thinking about booking a holiday in 2019 to Colombia & asking some questions prior.

1. What kind of budget do you guys work with when you do your mongering trips to Colombia?

2. How long do you guys normally stay when you do your mongering trips?

3. If I go to Medellin, what are some other activities to do besides mongering, especially in the day time?

4. I've read that sex work is legal, are there red light districts & if so what's the going rate normally?

Thanks in advance guys, I'm currently on Colombian Cupid & improving my Spanish online, just trying to get as much information before departing.[/QUOTE]I pretty much posted this same question a few weeks ago so I will try to return the favor.

1. Depends.

You can get by with a small budget: hotels / hostels can be as cheap as $20 from what I have seen and if you want to do some visits to the cheaper casas or strip clubs you can get off for $30 USD each time. Maybe even less. Food is inexpensive, from what I gather you can get by on $15-$20/ day. OR. You can spend hundreds on hotels, hundreds on girls / strip clubs. Plus, consider the importance of extra activities, partying, etc etc.

2. I am going in March and staying for 10 days because that's what makes the rip worth it for me. I need a break for longer than a long weekend. From what I have read here you can squeeze a lot of everything into a few days.

3. City Tour, Comuna 13 tours, paragliding, hiking, eat, drink, Pablo Tour. There is ton to do and Google has been an awesome help to me when researching. Not trying to be a dick. Just saying there is a lot out there.

4. Yes you heard right. Yes. The red light district (others can give better instructions here) is where the cheaper rates are like I mentioned above.

Literally you sound exactly like me. I'm on CC, Tinder, learning Spanish. Hahah. Can't wait.

Good luck!

Finally squeezing in my first trip to Colombia and have a total of 4 nights: Sunday to Wednesday in mid February and want to see two cities. From RTFF seems Bogota and Medellin are the most popular. Is one city better or worse on a Sunday & Monday? Is there much variation in the action by the night of the week? My interest is straight up P4 P (no time to hassle with Cupid or FB) and no real interest in late night partying, but would like to find a good selection of under 22 year old chicas without implants afternoon and early evening action would be nice.

Cheers. Really hope Colombia holds up to the hype! I fear I am spoiled a bit by Southeast Asia.

Hello,

Plan to visit Mde in start of February.

Can advise about Long time. If its reasonable to take a lady for a week and what's is normal price. Looking to spend with someone my holiday and maybe anyone can advice with some excursions.

My Spanish is normal, I can speak and I understand what people talk.

1) if its reasonable to take LT GF is better option to look on Facebook or sites like photopreopagos, milerotica. ?

2) maybe anyone have same experience and tell me aprox prices.

3) about security to stay with ladies in airbnb place if this is OK?

4) if I skip something ill be glad to receive your advises.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2267817]I have been to other cities in Columbia and....[/QUOTE]Washington? Nice place.

Day 1 Clarification.

I'm not sure exactly where I was when the attempted robbery happened. I had just arrived, and I didn't know the area yet. It was a side street two blocks from hotel Botero. I was wearing Dockers, and a thin sweater from Banana Republic. I'm 36, and in decent shape. It was less than 30 min after sunset.

Day 2.

You RTFF, but the reality still left me awe struck. I hit a couple Centro strip clubs, and ended up at Taberna Victoria. I tipped each chica 6 mil, and I was the big spender. Then I brought the hottest one in the back for 50 mil. Her name is Paula. You could call her an 8, but when she moved she looked like a 10 me.

Day 3.

Wow, again. I went to Zandly thinking I might actually get a massage if the women weren't pretty. There were a couple I wasn't interested in and a couple of 8's that I was. Then came Valentina. I swear she could be a model. 18, and so tight it was almost a problem. She started kissing me while standing and rubbing her pussy and thighs on my bare dick. I could have stayed doing that the whole time, except I really had to suit up, and be inside of her. An hour was 80 mil. I'm saying she's a 10.

Then I got out of El Centro and made friends. With locals. Don't ask me how. Went out dancing with them til dawn.

Day 4.

Took it easy here in Mayorista. I drank too much last night.

This is only my opinion. I think it will be hard to get a feel for one city in only 4 nights let alone two. You ask very general questions about days of the week and time of day. So general I don't know how to answer except to say Bogota and Medellin are large cities so you will find action any time of day or night if you know where and how to look. Something you did ask about is climate. Bogota has a cooler to cold climate compared to Medellin. So Medellin might be less of an adjustment from Southeast Asia. The biggest difference between Bogota and Medellin is size; Bogota is much bigger. If you read the forum you saw lots of mentions of facebook. In only 4 night that won't help you much unless you have spare time to devote to building contacts before you arrive.

I think the number one difference between Asia and Colombia is the travel time from Europe or America. That gives you the possibility of making more frequent visits.

[QUOTE=SteelBaton;2268176]Finally squeezing in my first trip to Colombia and have a total of 4 nights: Sunday to Wednesday in mid February and want to see two cities. From RTFF seems Bogota and Medellin are the most popular. Is one city better or worse on a Sunday & Monday? Is there much variation in the action by the night of the week? My interest is straight up P4 P (no time to hassle with Cupid or FB) and no real interest in late night partying, but would like to find a good selection of under 22 year old chicas without implants afternoon and early evening action would be nice.

Cheers. Really hope Colombia holds up to the hype! I fear I am spoiled a bit by Southeast Asia.[/QUOTE]

If I only had 4 days I would just choose one city. Sundays are a little slower but you can still find plenty of chicas. Since you want afternoon and evening action I would recommend casas or some street girls.

[QUOTE=SteelBaton;2268176]Finally squeezing in my first trip to Colombia and have a total of 4 nights: Sunday to Wednesday in mid February and want to see two cities. From RTFF seems Bogota and Medellin are the most popular. Is one city better or worse on a Sunday & Monday? Is there much variation in the action by the night of the week? My interest is straight up P4 P (no time to hassle with Cupid or FB) and no real interest in late night partying, but would like to find a good selection of under 22 year old chicas without implants afternoon and early evening action would be nice.

Cheers. Really hope Colombia holds up to the hype! I fear I am spoiled a bit by Southeast Asia.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=SteelBaton;2268176]Finally squeezing in my first trip to Colombia and have a total of 4 nights: Sunday to Wednesday in mid February and want to see two cities. From RTFF seems Bogota and Medellin are the most popular. Is one city better or worse on a Sunday & Monday?[/QUOTE]The first thing to take into account would be the arrival and departure times of your flights into and out of the country, as well as which city they are arriving and departing to and from.

1. I think everyone will have a different budget. There really are options for every budget. My daily budget works out to about $135 a day. I like to have about 300 k cop a day for girls and 100 k cop for food, taxis, etc. I do not count my room in there as I book airnnb longer term usually. 2. I like to stay for longer periods of time. Several weeks minimum. 3. There is plenty to do. All the activities you read on any tripadvisor post. I enjoyed visiting the different parques, markets, and day trips to Guatape, Carmen de Viboral etc. 4. I wouldn't say there is a traditional red light area. Bogota has the tolerance zone Santa Fe which is the closest you would find. Medellin has other smaller concentrations of steet girls in centro and mayorista. Get the map and familiarize yourself. Also since you are on CC find yourself a "tour guide". Great way to see the city and places you might not normally experience. I used it the 1st visit as well with great luck and memories. Have a nice trip!

[QUOTE=Rudebwoy100;2268074]I'm thinking about booking a holiday in 2019 to Colombia & asking some questions prior.

1. What kind of budget do you guys work with when you do your mongering trips to Colombia?

2. How long do you guys normally stay when you do your mongering trips?

3. If I go to Medellin, what are some other activities to do besides mongering, especially in the day time?

4. I've read that sex work is legal, are there red light districts & if so what's the going rate normally?

Thanks in advance guys, I'm currently on Colombian Cupid & improving my Spanish online, just trying to get as much information before departing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SteelBaton;2268176]Finally squeezing in my first trip to Colombia and have a total of 4 nights: Sunday to Wednesday in mid February and want to see two cities. From RTFF seems Bogota and Medellin are the most popular. Is one city better or worse on a Sunday & Monday? Is there much variation in the action by the night of the week? My interest is straight up P4 P (no time to hassle with Cupid or FB) and no real interest in late night partying, but would like to find a good selection of under 22 year old chicas without implants afternoon and early evening action would be nice.

Cheers. Really hope Colombia holds up to the hype! I fear I am spoiled a bit by Southeast Asia.[/QUOTE]As a veteran monger I always try to manage my expectations especially a place I have never been before NO MATTER what you may read so just come and go with the flo and your visit will open up opportunities.

Now for 4 days I suggest pick ONE SPOT, be it either Bogota or Medellin, as you have more time to learn the lay of the land. I have experienced the Sundays to Wednesdays mongering visits to many cities in Colombia looking for pussy and my take as it pertains to Bogota and Medellin is they both do slow down a bit during this weekly time slot BUT a little bit of patience and putting in some efforts can and will lead to some great finds no matter what day of the week it may be.

Remember expectations only lead to resentments. Have fun!

Happy New Year 2019!

The Tall Man.

Hi guys,

I have stayed in Medellin twice in the past three years but somehow never managed to make it up to Loutron (the mysterious and inviting joint in the hills). Is it worth the visit? I hear prices are pretty steep but quite a few people seem to think the hype is well deserved. An acquaintance of mine got the number of a girl he met there and brought her back to the mansion. She was a stunner!

This also brings me to my next question: is it worth asking a girl's number in a casa? I know it's irrational but I never quite managed to bring myself to do it, thinking of all the guys she would have had by the time she gets to mine. Would the experience also be that different from the casa one (when you're just one of many)? I wonder.

I suppose nothing is preventing that cute tinder / seeking arrangement girl you matched with to just be a regular casa girl during the day.

Appreciate any thoughts you might have!

Thanks,

Baud.

Skip Loutron! Over priced and very mechanical and yes if you click with a case girl ask her for her #. The.

"experience" you all about depends on the girl if it sucked in the case it will prob suck in your place. Best bang for you buck still FB IMO.

[QUOTE=Baudelairemod;2268375]Hi guys,

I have stayed in Medellin twice in the past three years but somehow never managed to make it up to Loutron (the mysterious and inviting joint in the hills). Is it worth the visit? I hear prices are pretty steep but quite a few people seem to think the hype is well deserved. An acquaintance of mine got the number of a girl he met there and brought her back to the mansion. She was a stunner!

This also brings me to my next question: is it worth asking a girl's number in a casa? I know it's irrational but I never quite managed to bring myself to do it, thinking of all the guys she would have had by the time she gets to mine. Would the experience also be that different from the casa one (when you're just one of many)? I wonder.

I suppose nothing is preventing that cute tinder / seeking arrangement girl you matched with to just be a regular casa girl during the day.

Appreciate any thoughts you might have!

Thanks,

Baud.[/QUOTE].

There is no RLD in Medellin. Only Strip club, casas, SW and freelancers that are scattered through out the city. You other questions it really depends on you. Everyone likes to party differently. If you like to have 3 somes twice a night or more then you budget is more etc.

[QUOTE=Rudebwoy100;2268074]I'm thinking about booking a holiday in 2019 to Colombia & asking some questions prior.


4. I've read that sex work is legal, are there red light districts & if so what's the going rate normally?

Thanks in advance guys, I'm currently on Colombian Cupid & improving my Spanish online, just trying to get as much information before departing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zhagolo52;2268391]Skip Loutron! Over priced and very mechanical and yes if you click with a case girl ask her for her #. The.

"experience" you all about depends on the girl if it sucked in the case it will prob suck in your place. Best bang for you buck still FB IMO.

.[/QUOTE]Better than Tinder and Seeking Arragement? I find FB a bit exhausting and much more of a numbers game than the others where at least you know where you stand. Less hassle in my opinion. No?

Anybody else wants to weigh in?

Yes, most of the tinder and SA are pros from my experience. If you think FB is too much work then stick to what you feel comfortable with.

[QUOTE=Baudelairemod;2268398]Better than Tinder and Seeking Arragement? I find FB a bit exhausting and much more of a numbers game than the others where at least you know where you stand. Less hassle in my opinion. No?

Anybody else wants to weigh in?[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Baudelairemod;2268398]Better than Tinder and Seeking Arragement? I find FB a bit exhausting and much more of a numbers game than the others where at least you know where you stand. Less hassle in my opinion. No?

Anybody else wants to weigh in?[/QUOTE]FB is more time consuming but if you do put in the time then you will find better bang for your buck assuming one does not put a monetary value on your time. The pros on SA want more money in general and if you focus on the "non-pros" and I use that term lightly then it will definitely cost more in the short run, dinners with no sex etc. , and definitely take more of your time. Personally I use both FB and SA but if I could only use one then it would be FB if only for the unlimited choices.

[QUOTE=Rudebwoy100;2268074]I'm thinking about booking a holiday in 2019 to Colombia & asking some questions prior.

1. What kind of budget do you guys work with when you do your mongering trips to Colombia?[/QUOTE]There are guys who spend $1000 per day. There are guys who spend under $100 per day. There are guys who only eat in the best restaurants and stay in the best apartments. There are guys spending no more than $3 per meal and $15 for a room. There are guys paying girls once or twice a week and guys going 4 times a day.

What I'm saying is that nobody else's budget matters. What are you looking for? You want a rooftop pool and a big jacuzzi in the room, or do you just need a bed and a bathroom? Your budget depends on you. If you just want a number, $150-$200 per day, excludes airfare.

[QUOTE]2. How long do you guys normally stay when you do your mongering trips?[/QUOTE]Depends on airfare. I figure a vacation at $150 per day plus $100 per day maximum for airfare. If airfare is $600, then I won't go for less than 6 days. There's also a travel time consideration. If you're dealing with 26 hours of travel time, you probably don't want to only stay 2 days.

[QUOTE]3. If I go to Medellin, what are some other activities to do besides mongering, especially in the day time? [/QUOTE]Google is free. Using it and your own preferences will get you a better answer than some stranger.

[QUOTE]4. I've read that sex work is legal, are there red light districts & if so what's the going rate normally?

Thanks in advance guys, I'm currently on Colombian Cupid & improving my Spanish online, just trying to get as much information before departing.[/QUOTE]Yes and no on the red light districts. I can't give a better answer without knowing which red light district in which country, you are using for comparison. The going rate ranges from $12 to over $100.

Thanks for the awesome responses guys, I definitely have a lot more research to do. Hiking etc sounds fun, I definitely don't see myself traveling somewhere & not spending my entire day at the beach. I think I read that Medellin isn't really a place for beaches, what city can I monger + hike + go to the beach?

Lastly, is there anywhere on the forum for meetups? I'm a solo traveler & wouldn't mind to meet up with a fellow monger as well considering I wouldn't know anybody in Colombia or anywhere else I plan to visit.

[QUOTE=Baudelairemod;2268375]Hi guys,

I have stayed in Medellin twice in the past three years but somehow never managed to make it up to Loutron (the mysterious and inviting joint in the hills). Is it worth the visit? I hear prices are pretty steep but quite a few people seem to think the hype is well deserved. An acquaintance of mine got the number of a girl he met there and brought her back to the mansion. She was a stunner!

This also brings me to my next question: is it worth asking a girl's number in a casa? I know it's irrational but I never quite managed to bring myself to do it, thinking of all the guys she would have had by the time she gets to mine. Would the experience also be that different from the casa one (when you're just one of many)? I wonder.

I suppose nothing is preventing that cute tinder / seeking arrangement girl you matched with to just be a regular casa girl during the day.

Appreciate any thoughts you might have!

Thanks,

Baud.[/QUOTE]Loutron can be worth it depending on the girl. I went there before, its one of Pablos old houses. The prices are more expensive than the normal rates. When I went it was 290,000 for 30 minutes and 350,000 for an hour. I went for the hour with a girl who's also a fitness instagram model with over 50 K followers so it was worth it for me! LOL.

It's really great to see your trip turned positive so quickly. Not knowing where exactly the attempted robbery happened explains for me a big part of why it happened. So back to the positive, Taberna Victoria is not a place most guys wind up in their first day so you apparently learned how to handle yourself quickly. I'm looking forward to reading more about your adventures.

[QUOTE=MstrNinja;2268342]Day 1 Clarification.

I'm not sure exactly where I was when the attempted robbery happened. I had just arrived, and I didn't know the area yet. It was a side street two blocks from hotel Botero. I was wearing Dockers, and a thin sweater from Banana Republic. I'm 36, and in decent shape. It was less than 30 min after sunset.

Day 2.

You RTFF, but the reality still left me awe struck. I hit a couple Centro strip clubs, and ended up at Taberna Victoria. I tipped each chica 6 mil, and I was the big spender. Then I brought the hottest one in the back for 50 mil. Her name is Paula. You could call her an 8, but when she moved she looked like a 10 me.

Day 3..[/QUOTE]

I agree about Loutron. As for casa girls on the side, the same girl performing the same in a casa or at your apartment or hotel will as far as I'm concerned always be better at your place. The reasons are it's generally going to be more comfortable, you don't have the possibility of a "time's up" knock or phone call, and you can set the mood with music or conversation in ways you never can in a casa. I also agree if a girl performs badly at a casa there is a chance she will also perform badly at your place, but why on earth would anyone ask for the phone number & invite a poor performer to their place? We will only do that if the girl performs well.

[QUOTE=Zhagolo52;2268391]Skip Loutron! Over priced and very mechanical and yes if you click with a case girl ask her for her #. The.

"experience" you all about depends on the girl if it sucked in the case it will prob suck in your place. Best bang for you buck still FB IMO..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rudebwoy100;2268074]I'm thinking about booking a holiday in 2019 to Colombia & asking some questions prior.

1. What kind of budget do you guys work with when you do your mongering trips to Colombia?

2. How long do you guys normally stay when you do your mongering trips?

3. If I go to Medellin, what are some other activities to do besides mongering, especially in the day time?

4. I've read that sex work is legal, are there red light districts & if so what's the going rate normally?

Thanks in advance guys, I'm currently on Colombian Cupid & improving my Spanish online, just trying to get as much information before departing.[/QUOTE]I will give you my 2 cents: Your budget depends on what you want to do with the girl, how long you want to keep the girl and the financial situation of the girl. My best bang for my buck has definitely been centro and vera cruz. I average about a $200 -$350 usd a day budget, not saying that I actually spend that much, I just have the money on hand just in case a unicorn shows up and is willing to perform. I went to Medellin 17 times in the year of 2018 and I will soon be back in Medellin before the end of the month. I will not tell you that I spent a load of money, because I am a business man and I found ways to make money in Medellin and since the first visit, I have not paid for another trip to Medellin, my contacts and business skills have paid for each trip since the first trip.

I have learned that few guys on the board really will give you what you are looking for as far as girls, other than a couple of fingers full on members, not even a hand full. The few board members who have contacted me and helped me can tell you, I never mention a girl, if the girl will not allow me to photo her and obtain her phone number and verify that she can be reached by the number that she provided. Many members have confessed to me that they have had some stunners and they have paid through the nose for these girls to stay only 2-3 hours at a rate of $800,000 COP to a $1,000,000 COP. We all learn the hard way when visiting a new country and no one will hold your hand. I can tell you that wolf personally took me from casa to casa and club to club and took me around centro until I knew how to move around it as though I live in Medellin. If you mention money on this board, you will be bashed as bragging or a fool, so I clearly understand why other members never mention when they spend more than the going rate on girls and get a average date with the girl.

I have learned 2 major lessons about Medellin, the less you move around the better off you are, if you can establish list of girls that meet your needs and satisfy your wants stick with that familiar list of girls. Every extremely pretty girl that I have met in Medellin had limitations and would perform some things in the bed room but not all. From Poblado back to Centro, and I have most definitely had more problems with girls in Poblado than I have had in Centro. The girls in centro, really need cash and their performance shows. Get to know a few of them and you can get them to do anything your mind can think of in the bedroom. The 2nd lesson that I have learned in Medellin is this, all of these girls know each other and I don't care who on the board says that they don't, I have had too many weird encounters in Medellin for it to be just a coincidence. For example, I use to have a facebook page and it had a fake name and I friended a few chica's like Vane and some Restrepo girl. By my 3rd visit to Medellin, random people on the street were calling me by the fake name that I used to create my facebook account, that alone is creepy. As a fellow monger, be careful with facebook in Colombia, because if you pay too much for a date, and now they know what you look like and you no longer want another date with them, this is where things get funny and can take a turn for the worst. People in Medellin share information like you wouldn't believe, the country is built on that and that's the reason the country is so corrupt.

In short, if a member can't show you a photo of the girl he banged or provide you with a phone number take it as warning that he doesn't want you to bang the chic, he doesn't want you to know how much he paid, he doesn't want you to know that he may be keeping that one for himself or he has feelings for this chica, so move on. I have yet to bang a chic in Medellin that I have not photographed or filmed. So if you ask me about chics that I have banged, I will be able to show you what she looks like, what she moves like and what she charges. That what I really though the board was for, to provide and retrieve information and to make the job of mongering easier. I have learned a hard lesson over the past year, many board members only share information about girls they no longer can get, girls who have been horrible with them and they want you to experience that rip off effect. It has taken me longer to plan my trip to Thailand due to the same activity on that board as well, I plan to visit Thailand in May or June of this year and I am budgeting $500-$1,000 usd a day and I plan on staying for 25 days, you have to spend to learn and no better way of learning than putting boots on the ground. In the words of Mr Enternational, when mongering, the only 2 things that should matter is, if she has a heartbeat and a hole. LOL, Pollonegro is out.

[QUOTE=BlueCar;2268546]Loutron can be worth it depending on the girl. I went there before, its one of Pablos old houses. The prices are more expensive than the normal rates. When I went it was 290,000 for 30 minutes and 350,000 for an hour. I went for the hour with a girl who's also a fitness instagram model with over 50 K followers so it was worth it for me! LOL.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your reply, BlueCar.

Mmm yes that sounds like it might be worth it! Looks like it could be a potential avenue. Some girl I met once (in another casa) said quite a few of the girls at Loutron only do a couple of hours and then clock out after two customers or so as they get a better rate and tend to be of "higher" quality with more of a personal lifeon the outside (I. E. Your instagram girl). Seems to me that those girls might be more easily persuaded to hang out outside Loutron while at the same time providing a better and more GFE-like experience.

By the way this is by NO MEANS an invite to start talking about what GFE means like all over again. God knows enough time has been spent on it!

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2268582]I agree about Loutron. As for casa girls on the side, the same girl performing the same in a casa or at your apartment or hotel will as far as I'm concerned always be better at your place. The reasons are it's generally going to be more comfortable, you don't have the possibility of a "time's up" knock or phone call, and you can set the mood with music or conversation in ways you never can in a casa. I also agree if a girl performs badly at a casa there is a chance she will also perform badly at your place, but why on earth would anyone ask for the phone number & invite a poor performer to their place? We will only do that if the girl performs well.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your input, Knowledge. That makes all the sense in the world!

[QUOTE=Baudelairemod;2268677]Thanks for your reply, BlueCar.

Mmm yes that sounds like it might be worth it! Looks like it could be a potential avenue. Some girl I met once (in another casa) said quite a few of the girls at Loutron only do a couple of hours and then clock out after two customers or so as they get a better rate and tend to be of "higher" quality with more of a personal lifeon the outside (I. E. Your instagram girl). Seems to me that those girls might be more easily persuaded to hang out outside Loutron while at the same time providing a better and more GFE-like experience.

By the way this is by NO MEANS an invite to start talking about what GFE means like all over again. God knows enough time has been spent on it![/QUOTE]I'm not sure I follow your logic. If a girl is making 300 k working 3 hours, and is possibly picking up another 300-500 k per week modeling, why would she be willing to hangout with a stranger, unless he's paying really well?

On the other hand, a girl who is lucky to make 150 k after doing 6 guys over 8 hours in a casa is likely to be thrilled to hang around for 3 or 4 hours and get 200-300 k.

The first girl can afford to go do things with her friends, or go shopping with her family. Unless you're offering to fly her somewhere exotic, you're just offering her the chance to do things she would rather do with someone else. Earning another 300 k for another 3 hours isn't a big priority. I'm not saying she won't, but she already knows how much you paid for 1 hour with her. She's doing the math and coming up with 1 million for 3 hours.

The casa girl, or the Facebook girl, they are more likely to want to hangout. I rarely had a Facebook girl who was in a rush to leave. Most of them, I had to give a nudge to let them know it was time to go.

[QUOTE=MstrNinja;2268342]Day 1 Clarification.

I'm not sure exactly where I was when the attempted robbery happened. I had just arrived, and I didn't know the area yet. It was a side street two blocks from hotel Botero. I was wearing Dockers, and a thin sweater from Banana Republic. I'm 36, and in decent shape. It was less than 30 min after sunset..[/QUOTE]Yeah there are some scary industrial blocks a few blocks from the Botero. In the day I would stay south and south east of the hotel. At night the walk to Conejitas area will be scarier then the the walk down to BarraEjectiva but both are only a block and a half, I have done it till 2 am solo but better with a buddy. You can cab too at night. Don't forget to peek in across the street from Botero at Yakuza, behind the mirrored glass door, not always cuties but sometimes for sure, take them to your room as Yakuza has a Una-bomber shack motif that I did not like but free take out to across the street. The redlight blocks of VeraCruz and Raudal I only hit in the day although have gone through there at night but don't recommend it.

Hi people,

I would like to ask for information, please.

I would like to go to Medellin, first time. Where the nice zone for beautiful nightlife?

In which area to look for the hotel? Near nightlife, near night whit lady.

There are bars that are the same as there are in Thailand, whit lady?

The price for the lady same in Thailand or different?

Thanks people.

[QUOTE=Pezzo;2268905]Hi people,

I would like to ask for information, please.

I would like to go to Medellin, first time. Where the nice zone for beautiful nightlife?

In which area to look for the hotel? Near nightlife, near night whit lady.

There are bars that are the same as there are in Thailand, whit lady?

The price for the lady same in Thailand or different?

Thanks people.[/QUOTE]Well the "nice zone with beautiful nightlife" will def be Parque Lleras in el Poblado district of Medellin. If you want the hotel near the nightlife then the hotel that everyone knows is "the Charlee lifestyle" which is right in the middle of the action of Parque Lleras. There are other alternatives tho. There are definitely going to be ladies that are P2P in Parque Lleras. I have no idea what the prices are in Thailand to compare them.

I have read it 200+ times to "avoid el centro" or "don't go to el centro at night", but where in the city is "el centro" located? I know it is spanish for the "the center", but I still have not seen anyone give a geographical description of it here, or can I find it online. Is it 40 blocks north to south / east to west? What street areas border "el centro' region?. How big is it? Etc, etc. It would be helpful to first time visitors. I booked my apartment in El Poblado area (Carrera 43 a & calle 10), so I hope I I am not camping in the middle of a hot zone. Any feedback would be great. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2269038]I have read it 200+ times to "avoid el centro" or "don't go to el centro at night", but where in the city is "el centro" located? I know it is spanish for the "the center", but I still have not seen anyone give a geographical description of it here, or can I find it online. Is it 40 blocks north to south / east to west? What street areas border "el centro' region?. How big is it? Etc, etc. It would be helpful to first time visitors. I booked my apartment in El Poblado area (Carrera 43 a & calle 10), so I hope I I am not camping in the middle of a hot zone. Any feedback would be great. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Go to "Map of Casas of Centro in Medellin" in the forum.

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2269038]I have read it 200+ times to "avoid el centro" or "don't go to el centro at night", but where in the city is "el centro" located? I know it is spanish for the "the center", but I still have not seen anyone give a geographical description of it here, or can I find it online. Is it 40 blocks north to south / east to west? What street areas border "el centro' region?. How big is it? Etc, etc. It would be helpful to first time visitors. I booked my apartment in El Poblado area (Carrera 43 a & calle 10), so I hope I I am not camping in the middle of a hot zone. Any feedback would be great. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Someone else may give you better info, but here is what I know:

1. Your apartment in Poblado is far away from Centro, and is relatively safe.

2. You do need to visit Centro during the day. I suggest you take a taxi to Carrera 43 & calle 54. That should put you in centro. Then you can take a walk around. You can also open google map and look up the address. It will give you an idea where Centro is.

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2269038]I have read it 200+ times to "avoid el centro" or "don't go to el centro at night", but where in the city is "el centro" located? I know it is spanish for the "the center", but I still have not seen anyone give a geographical description of it here, or can I find it online. Is it 40 blocks north to south / east to west? What street areas border "el centro' region?. How big is it? Etc, etc. It would be helpful to first time visitors. I booked my apartment in El Poblado area (Carrera 43 a & calle 10), so I hope I I am not camping in the middle of a hot zone. Any feedback would be great. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Start your visit from Museo de Antioquia, preferably in early afternoon or morning. It's really worth visiting. With the museum in Bogota, this is the second place where most paintings and sculptures of Botero are displayed. Undoubtedly, the most important place to visit in Medellin.

The square in front of Museo de Antioquia is very nice, with many bronze statues of Botero. He gifted them to the city. You can stroll around and see lots of humanity there, normal people mostly of very popular classes. Be always very careful to not show you may have money etc. Avoid using Google Maps on your expensive phone. Better use your sense of orientation and walk around in circles or look at street numbers.

It is right in the center of Centro. You have lots of street girls and bars around that. Make a circle around.
To see people, shops, street food, from Museo entrance walk straight and you see the metro. Avoid walking to the left on your first visit, but walk to right.

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2269038]I have read it 200+ times to "avoid el centro" or "don't go to el centro at night", but where in the city is "el centro" located? I know it is spanish for the "the center", but I still have not seen anyone give a geographical description of it here, or can I find it online. Is it 40 blocks north to south / east to west? What street areas border "el centro' region?. How big is it? Etc, etc. It would be helpful to first time visitors. I booked my apartment in El Poblado area (Carrera 43 a & calle 10), so I hope I I am not camping in the middle of a hot zone. Any feedback would be great. Thanks.[/QUOTE]It means downtown. Typically in any city in Colombia "El Centro" will mean downtown.

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2269038]I have read it 200+ times to "avoid el centro" or "don't go to el centro at night", but where in the city is "el centro" located? I know it is spanish for the "the center", but I still have not seen anyone give a geographical description of it here, or can I find it online. Is it 40 blocks north to south / east to west? What street areas border "el centro' region?. How big is it? Etc, etc. It would be helpful to first time visitors. I booked my apartment in El Poblado area (Carrera 43 a & calle 10), so I hope I I am not camping in the middle of a hot zone. Any feedback would be great. Thanks.[/QUOTE]For discussion in this forum, el centro is an area of about ten square blocks around Parque Bolivar. That will encompass almost all the casas, strip clubs and street walker areas in downtown.

As for safety for first timers, it is easier to tell you the areas to be in at night. In and around Parque Lleras in Poblado is probably the safest area at night because of the number of people and a police presence. Laureles-Estadio is also relative safe anytime. Other than those two areas, don't be walking around alone at night.

I have stayed in apartments very close to where you will be staying, and walked that area at night without any problem. I suggest you visit downtown by walking down calle 10 from your apartment to the Poblado metro station. Take the metro towards Niquia and get off at Parque Berrio. When you exit the metro and walk down the steps, if you walk under the metro you will be going towards the street walker areas and the Conejitas strip club. Do not walk more than three or four blocks from the metro in that direction. If you walk in the other direction (not under the metro), you will be going toward the casas and other strip clubs.

Suggestion: In this forum, stroll down to "Map of Casas of Centro in Medellin" and follow the directions in one of the messages from World Travel 69 to request permission to view the map. Make notes of the places you want to visit in the downtown area.

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2269038]I have read it 200+ times to "avoid el centro" or "don't go to el centro at night", but where in the city is "el centro" located? I know it is spanish for the "the center", but I still have not seen anyone give a geographical description of it here, or can I find it online. Is it 40 blocks north to south / east to west? What street areas border "el centro' region?. How big is it? Etc, etc. It would be helpful to first time visitors. I booked my apartment in El Poblado area (Carrera 43 a & calle 10), so I hope I I am not camping in the middle of a hot zone.[/QUOTE]El centro just means downtown. I guess it has been negatively hyped so much that people that have not been are starting to picture it as a war zone. LOL. In what other cities around the world are people advising others to stay away from downtown? It sounds ridiculous.

You will not be camping in a hot zone. In fact, it's pretty much ice cold in terms of major crime. Nowhere is completely safe so do stay alert, especially at night.

As for Centro, it's best to avoid it at night until you are more familiar. The advice I often give about the daytime is that there is safety in numbers. You are much less likely to have problems when you are in a populated spot. Once you veer off into a lonely area is when the problems become more frequent. Finally, be aware of what kind of population is surrounding you in Centro. There are side streets in areas like Prado that are full of people but they are people you are best to avoid. The difference will be obvious.

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2269038]I have read it 200+ times to "avoid el centro" or "don't go to el centro at night", but where in the city is "el centro" located? I know it is spanish for the "the center", but I still have not seen anyone give a geographical description of it here, or can I find it online. Is it 40 blocks north to south / east to west? What street areas border "el centro' region?. How big is it? Etc, etc. It would be helpful to first time visitors. I booked my apartment in El Poblado area (Carrera 43 a & calle 10), so I hope I I am not camping in the middle of a hot zone. Any feedback would be great. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2269230] In what other cities around the world are people advising others to stay away from downtown? It sounds ridiculous.[/QUOTE]Dallas. There is nothing to do and see there at daytime, and at night it is more lonely than Downtown London in "28 Days After".

Joking apart, I appreciate your comments and notes most of the times, but I don't understand why you insist in minimizing risks. You must understand that among readers of this forum there are also fat asses, for who the most thrilling place they visited in their life was Disneyland in Florida. If you minimize risks in that way, some of them may decide to give a try and disembark to downtown Bogota or Medellin with flip flops, I-pad in the left hand, Gatorade bottle in the right. We must be responsible and present objectively risks with the good things.

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2269038]I have read it 200+ times to "avoid el centro" or "don't go to el centro at night", but where in the city is "el centro" located? I know it is spanish for the "the center", but I still have not seen anyone give a geographical description of it here, or can I find it online. Is it 40 blocks north to south / east to west? What street areas border "el centro' region?. How big is it? Etc, etc. It would be helpful to first time visitors. I booked my apartment in El Poblado area (Carrera 43 a & calle 10), so I hope I I am not camping in the middle of a hot zone. Any feedback would be great. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Very roughly, El Centro is between Calle 37 and Calle 60, east of Autopista Norte to about Carrera 39. That's a larger area than most gringos are talking about when they warn about El Centro, but if you're going to completely avoid El Centro, you'll want to avoid the whole area I mentioned.

El Poblado isn't in El Centro. Otherwise it would be called El Centro.

Of course there are plenty of other places in Medellin they should be telling you to avoid as well.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2269256]Joking apart, I appreciate your comments and notes most of the times, but I don't understand why you insist in minimizing risks. You must understand that among readers of this forum there are also fat asses, for who the most thrilling place they visited in their life was Disneyland in Florida. If you minimize risks in that way, some of them may decide to give a try and disembark to downtown Bogota or Medellin with flip flops, I-pad in the left hand, Gatorade bottle in the right. We must be responsible and present objectively risks with the good things.[/QUOTE]I understand telling people to be careful and not be flashy, but this board has people terrified of even stepping into a place that thousands go to everyday with no harm happening to them. There are risks to everything. If you drive a car you could get into an accident. Hell, you even have to be careful staying home with the home invasions happening these days. In the Bogota thread people are afraid to go to Santa Fe the first time, then they go there and see there is nothing to really be afraid of. Sure there are a few homeless people, and a few drug addicts on the street, but from all these warnings it paints a picture that armed robberies and murders are happening on the corner every hour like it is some kind of Mad Max apocalypse, which is not the case.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2269300]I understand telling people to be careful and not be flashy, but this board has people terrified of even stepping into a place that thousands go to everyday with no harm happening to them. There are risks to everything. If you drive a car you could get into an accident. Hell, you even have to be careful staying home with the home invasions happening these days. In the Bogota thread people are afraid to go to Santa Fe the first time, then they go there and see there is nothing to really be afraid of. Sure there are a few homeless people, and a few drug addicts on the street, but from all these warnings it paints a picture that armed robberies and murders are happening on the corner every hour like it is some kind of Mad Max apocalypse, which is not the case.[/QUOTE]I kindly disagree. There are also many people with their limbs / arms missing walking around. I still don't know how that many people lose their arms / legs and wonder if the cause of their tragedies is similar. If there is a common factor I always see at least one robbery or fight break out when I visit el Centro. I befriended some cops and they were telling my how a Venezuelan hooker robbed an European man for his phone and shanked him with a knife. El Centro is not for everybody and you have to have a high risk tolerance. If you want to visit el Centro go with a Colombian friend who knows the area.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2269300]I understand telling people to be careful and not be flashy, but this board has people terrified of even stepping into a place that thousands go to everyday with no harm happening to them. There are risks to everything. If you drive a car you could get into an accident. Hell, you even have to be careful staying home with the home invasions happening these days. In the Bogota thread people are afraid to go to Santa Fe the first time, then they go there and see there is nothing to really be afraid of. Sure there are a few homeless people, and a few drug addicts on the street, but from all these warnings it paints a picture that armed robberies and murders are happening on the corner every hour like it is some kind of Mad Max apocalypse, which is not the case.[/QUOTE][URL]https://data.colombiareports.com/medellin-crime-security-statistics/[/URL]

It is unlikely that a gringo would get killed while visiting el centro even in flip flops. More likely to get robbed.

But it is worthwhile to understand that el centro is a lot more dangerous than say Poblado.

Just click on the areas of the map (Homicides by district) and it will give you the total number of murders per year. For 2017. I think the number of murders in Poblado was about 6 and for El Centro about 120.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2268829]I'm not sure I follow your logic. If a girl is making 300 k working 3 hours, and is possibly picking up another 300-500 k per week modeling, why would she be willing to hangout with a stranger, unless he's paying really well?

On the other hand, a girl who is lucky to make 150 k after doing 6 guys over 8 hours in a casa is likely to be thrilled to hang around for 3 or 4 hours and get 200-300 k.

The first girl can afford to go do things with her friends, or go shopping with her family. Unless you're offering to fly her somewhere exotic, you're just offering her the chance to do things she would rather do with someone else. Earning another 300 k for another 3 hours isn't a big priority. I'm not saying she won't, but she already knows how much you paid for 1 hour with her. She's doing the math and coming up with 1 million for 3 hours.

The casa girl, or the Facebook girl, they are more likely to want to hangout. I rarely had a Facebook girl who was in a rush to leave. Most of them, I had to give a nudge to let them know it was time to go.[/QUOTE]JjBee62, you do make a lot of sense. I suppose it would be quite difficult (and expensive) to convince those girls to hang out with you if they don't really need the money to begin with. I just personally have a bit of a mental block about being able to relax with someone that has had 8/10 guys a day for as long as she can remember.

Will have to hit those FB / SA / Tinder girls then! Although in order to do that I'l probably (definitely) have to move out of the mansion and get my own place. Time to grow up I guess!

[QUOTE=Baudelairemod;2269336]JjBee62, you do make a lot of sense. I suppose it would be quite difficult (and expensive) to convince those girls to hang out with you if they don't really need the money to begin with. I just personally have a bit of a mental block about being able to relax with someone that has had 8/10 guys a day for as long as she can remember.

Will have to hit those FB / SA / Tinder girls then! Although in order to do that I'l probably (definitely) have to move out of the mansion and get my own place. Time to grow up I guess![/QUOTE]Why would a chick that charges 150 mill an hour stay with a guy all night for 300 mill and live with a guy for a month for 3000 mill or even 2000 mill?

Plenty of chicks make decisions that do not help their bottom line at all if they actually like spending time with you. Or at the very least don't dislike you.

Don't pay chicas to "hang out" with you. It rarely works. She'll be bored. If she wants to hang out with you that's great. I let them hang out if they want and pay them if I fuck them.

They'll hang out with you if it involves dinners, drinks, shopping whatever usually. Sometimes even just a movie. More importantly, they'll do it if you're someone they don't mind being seen in public with.

The ones who start asking for an hourly rate I don't engage with at all.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2269369]Don't pay chicas to "hang out" with you. It rarely works. She'll be bored. If she wants to hang out with you that's great. I let them hang out if they want and pay them if I fuck them.

They'll hang out with you if it involves dinners, drinks, shopping whatever usually. Sometimes even just a movie. More importantly, they'll do it if you're someone they don't mind being seen in public with.

The ones who start asking for an hourly rate I don't engage with at all.[/QUOTE]Sorry I should have specified. By hanging out I meant a situation where they'd come over, we'd have a drink or two and then get down to business. I've done my fair share in the past by taking out to dinner girls but that's not really one for me anymore. Conversations tend to drag and you just find yourself wondering why did you ever thought that was going to be a good idea in the first place??

Basically all I want is just a nice (and obviously hot) girl to spend time with outside the casa and no time constraints. And that I can put in a cab after 90 minutes or so! Don't worry, I'm not looking for a holiday girlfriend.

According to what I read in the forum, you are allowed to bring facebook, tinder, or other girls to the gringo hotel. I defer to people who actually stayed there to confirm. I know for a fact that groups of facebook girls are also regulars at the gringo hotel because some of them told me so. As for the 8/10 guys a day, you aren't going to get away from that with the facebook contacts that are traded on this forum. I'm going to leave it at that because I don't want to be the guy who starts beating the girlfriend experience dead horse again.

[QUOTE=Baudelairemod;2269336]JjBee62, you do make a lot of sense. I suppose it would be quite difficult (and expensive) to convince those girls to hang out with you if they don't really need the money to begin with. I just personally have a bit of a mental block about being able to relax with someone that has had 8/10 guys a day for as long as she can remember.

Will have to hit those FB / SA / Tinder girls then! Although in order to do that I'l probably (definitely) have to move out of the mansion and get my own place. Time to grow up I guess![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2269331][URL]https://data.colombiareports.com/medellin-crime-security-statistics/[/URL]

It is unlikely that a gringo would get killed while visiting el centro even in flip flops. More likely to get robbed.

But it is worthwhile to understand that el centro is a lot more dangerous than say Poblado.

Just click on the areas of the map (Homicides by district) and it will give you the total number of murders per year. For 2017. I think the number of murders in Poblado was about 6 and for El Centro about 120.[/QUOTE]I think Tijuana is a lot more dangerous than el centro but they don't over react like it is here.

There is so much foot traffic in el centro, as long as you stay in the busy area and don't draw attention to yourself, it is not so dangerous even after sunset.

Hey guys,

Thanks to everyone for their contributions. This will be my first visit to Medellin and I'll be going with a buddy of mine. Neither of us speak great Spanish, but our plan to check things out and take things as they come. I've got a total noob question: What exactly are "Casa's" in Medellin? I know the translation, and I know what these are in Cuba, but I'm a fit vague on what these are in Medellin. Are these homes turned into brothels? Or are they simply commercial brothels? I know some of you are laughing right now. That's OK. Please bear with me. Any assistance is appreciated.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2269331][URL]https://data.colombiareports.com/medellin-crime-security-statistics/[/URL]

It is unlikely that a gringo would get killed while visiting el centro even in flip flops. More likely to get robbed.

.[/QUOTE]Exactly.

My advice, when the cops split from el Centro, it's generally a good idea to leave as well.

Usually about 9 or 10 pm or so.

It's just common sense.

Regardless of what some tough guys like to post, walking around Botero area, especially alone, at night, cops gone, is a recipe for getting robbed.

I've seen plenty of cops while walking around past midnight. Not that they would do much but they don't just disappear.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2269482]Exactly.

My advice, when the cops split from el Centro, it's generally a good idea to leave as well.

Usually about 9 or 10 pm or so.

It's just common sense.

Regardless of what some tough guys like to post, walking around Botero area, especially alone, at night, cops gone, is a recipe for getting robbed.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2269230]El centro just means downtown. I guess it has been negatively hyped so much that people that have not been are starting to picture it as a war zone. LOL. In what other cities around the world are people advising others to stay away from downtown? It sounds ridiculous.[/QUOTE]I agree, provided one exercises common sense and does not inadvertantly make himself a target. I've been a couple times to Botero area during the day and it is not scary. I had a nice lunch one time outdoor and never felt unsafe, never felt like I was being watched or followed. It's very busy during the day and there did not seem to be much room for someone to rob another in broad daylight with so many people around.

Hey guys, maybe this is a shameless post. Mainly because its the new year and I am gearing up for an adventurous and prosperous 2019 and I want to make new acquaintences, friends, partners and clients. I hope I do not break any forum rules.

I'm in the states now for the holidays imagining what will come of this new year. I will be back in Medellin next week.

I've been living in Medellin full time for 6 years and visiting for 10. I've rented several apartments in various parts of the city, stayed in many normal hotels, short stay hotels and airbnbs. In this time I have had a few eye opening run ins. I've been robbed, scammed by chicas, shaken down by cops, in addition to being wrongly arrested for stupidly carrying my personal perscription meds in an unmarked container. I have my share and continue to create exciting stories as well as unraveling some sticky ones.

As a result, I know lawyers, great Spanish teachers, dentists, government agencies, gone through the visa process many times on my own as well as with agenices, taken classes at EAFIT, UPB and The University of Antioquia. I also ride my bicycle every day. I know Medellin very well and many of the nuances that come with living in a third world country for 6 years. I've had a few serious paisa girlfriends, friends and family from the states come visit me as well as a consistent flow of guests from all over the world stay with me for days and weeks at a time.

I've successfully organized bachelor parties, birthday parties, walking tours, food tours, club tours, bicycle tours, barrio tours, excursions outside of Medellin, ATVs, horsback riding, bird watching, hiking, photo shoots. AND I have a lot of super cool, sexy, trustworthy, easy going amigas who always love to hang out in addition to other locals who maybe can answer some of your questions and help you with what you want.

I am probably one of the least judgemental people you will ever meet. However, being that Medellin is probably one of the most economical places you would want to visit, I have little pacience for stinginess. And finally, in my home, alone and with guests, I can be more of a stickler for cleanliness and good hygene. I meet new guys from this board and others on a fairly regular basis and if it can be called a skill, I think I am getting good at it because my knowledge and enthusiasm has been reciprocated in many rewarding ways.

I enjoy receiving private messages, feeling useful and appreciated. Thank you to all who contribute thoughtful and usefull information.

Me and a buddy wandered the deserted streets of El Centro looking for a casa that wasn't closed. No luck. Not sure if stuff was open in Dec 31, but get your action in early and those ladies lined up for any Jan 1 fun if needed for upcoming years. Never seen the door of New Life closed before during normal hours, sort of a shocker!

[QUOTE=Balimassage;2269706]Me and a buddy wandered the deserted streets of El Centro looking for a casa that wasn't closed. No luck. Not sure if stuff was open in Dec 31, but get your action in early and those ladies lined up for any Jan 1 fun if needed for upcoming years. Never seen the door of New Life closed before during normal hours, sort of a shocker![/QUOTE]It's tough to find action on Jan 1, and if you do find something with someone you don't already have a relationship with, you should be a little more careful. Anyone who is out working on Jan 1, is probably in a very desperate situation. New Years is probably the most important family holiday. Lots of people are posting about being afraid of going to centro, or other things like that, all things that don't really have a very high risk compared to things we do in every day life. I wander around El Centro all the time, I've even accidentally stumbled through the zombie land of junkies in between minorista and plaza botero a few times, and never had a problem (certainly that is dangerous, though. Hopefully I don't have to explain that LOL) but if I was out trying to find action on Jan 1st, I would be extra careful with any interactions. The combination of pre-selecting for desperate people, plus being a day that probably makes people feel extra bad, is a tough combination.

That said, there was action available, the bars in La Ralla were open. (marked as streetwalkers near Mayorista on the map) and I did have a few drinks down there on Jan 1st. There was a small group of girls working down there as there always is, but I was just drinking with a buddy, I didn't see anything worth overcoming my risk tolerance for.

Casa's are basically commercial brothels. I found them to be like a candy store. I would enter one of the ones listed on the ISG map for Medellin, use my limited Spanish to say Yo quiero treinta minutos con una chica, and they would sit me down, and call a group of around 8 chicas to parade by me, usually skimpily dressed, giving their names, and then I would make a choice, she would step away a minute, then lead me to a room, and we were ready to go. Easy and comfortable, lots of fun, and you can't beat the price, being how safe it is. Much safer than a SW in my opinion.

[QUOTE=GMan076;2269445]Hey guys,

Thanks to everyone for their contributions. This will be my first visit to Medellin and I'll be going with a buddy of mine. Neither of us speak great Spanish, but our plan to check things out and take things as they come. I've got a total noob question: What exactly are "Casa's" in Medellin? I know the translation, and I know what these are in Cuba, but I'm a fit vague on what these are in Medellin. Are these homes turned into brothels? Or are they simply commercial brothels? I know some of you are laughing right now. That's OK. Please bear with me. Any assistance is appreciated.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlueCar;2269327]I kindly disagree. There are also many people with their limbs / arms missing walking around. I still don't know how that many people lose their arms / legs and wonder if the cause of their tragedies is similar. If there is a common factor I always see at least one robbery or fight break out when I visit el Centro. I befriended some cops and they were telling my how a Venezuelan hooker robbed an European man for his phone and shanked him with a knife. El Centro is not for everybody and you have to have a high risk tolerance. If you want to visit el Centro go with a Colombian friend who knows the area.[/QUOTE]I only went to El Centro with a Colombian friend once, but she didn't know the area. I did have some Colombian friends walk me down from La Ladera to Parque Berrio, when I left their house. They insisted. It was nice of them, because they showed me a shortcut that saved a lot of walking. They also walked me down far enough from their house to catch a taxi late one night. They live up where taxis don't go much after dark, so I really didn't want to be wandering around at midnight.

I learned my way around El Centro on my own. For about 3 months I went there almost every day, sometimes 2 or 3 times a day. I usually didn't go at night, except for strip club trips and I usually finished my walking by 10 pm so I could catch the Metro home. For another 3 or 4 months I averaged once or twice a week.

I rarely went by taxi. I either took the bus or metro. I didn't just go to head straight to the casas. I just went to walk, experience the atmosphere and to learn the area. There aren't many streets in El Centro that I didn't walk. The area I'll call the recycling zone was interesting. All the guys you see digging through garbage at night take their stuff to an area that buys anything. There's places buying scrap wrought iron, broken glass, old doors, aluminum, plastic, cardboard, anything you can think of. It's not very scenic, but you get to see a different side of things.

If you're just going to fuck, there's no need to see any more of El Centro than the door of your favorite casa or strip club. If you're going to experience Medellin as a city, then you need to get your shoes on the sidewalks and find your way around El Centro.

I guess I spent about 300 hours just walking El Centro, or eating, having a beer or sitting and people watching. I saw one mugging and had 3 inept guys try to rob me 1 time. It was embarrassing for everyone.

It's not safe. No place is safe. If you're the guy who thinks you're bulletproof, and you can do whatever you want, wherever you want, it will prove you wrong. However, if you act reasonable, follow some basic precautions and pay attention, you can probably survive.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2269331][URL]https://data.colombiareports.com/medellin-crime-security-statistics/[/URL]

It is unlikely that a gringo would get killed while visiting el centro even in flip flops. More likely to get robbed.

But it is worthwhile to understand that el centro is a lot more dangerous than say Poblado.

Just click on the areas of the map (Homicides by district) and it will give you the total number of murders per year. For 2017. I think the number of murders in Poblado was about 6 and for El Centro about 120.[/QUOTE]Next, look at population density for Poblado and El Centro. Then look at number of extranjeros killed in each place. Higher population density = more murders. Tourists are more likely to be killed in Poblado.

[QUOTE=PaisaPorFavor;2269540]I've seen plenty of cops while walking around past midnight. Not that they would do much but they don't just disappear.

.[/QUOTE]Actually they do just disappear.

Depends on the particular night, the time that they leave.

It's usually around 9 or 10 pm, however, there are exceptions, depending on what they're told to do, and they stay later on the weekends.

I've had many conversations with them.

And of course it's better when they're around.

[QUOTE=Baudelairemod;2269377]Sorry I should have specified. By hanging out I meant a situation where they'd come over, we'd have a drink or two and then get down to business. I've done my fair share in the past by taking out to dinner girls but that's not really one for me anymore. Conversations tend to drag and you just find yourself wondering why did you ever thought that was going to be a good idea in the first place??

Basically all I want is just a nice (and obviously hot) girl to spend time with outside the casa and no time constraints. And that I can put in a cab after 90 minutes or so! Don't worry, I'm not looking for a holiday girlfriend.[/QUOTE]I've been to Medellin several times. I never go to the casas. I always have my own place which is fairly nice place to stay. I chat up the girls on Colombian Cupid. They will come over, have some drinks, chat, hang out, etc. Do your business, pay them and put them back in the cab home. Nice easy time, a little more relaxed and in a much more casual atmosphere.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2269439]According to what I read in the forum, you are allowed to bring facebook, tinder, or other girls to the gringo hotel. I defer to people who actually stayed there to confirm. I know for a fact that groups of facebook girls are also regulars at the gringo hotel because some of them told me so. As for the 8/10 guys a day, you aren't going to get away from that with the facebook contacts that are traded on this forum. I'm going to leave it at that because I don't want to be the guy who starts beating the girlfriend experience dead horse again.[/QUOTE]Actually I was trying to make a different point. I am well aware of the mansion's rules. It's just that in my experience quit a few "non-pro" and external girls don't like the hotel as it breaks their illusion of turning tricks on an occasional basis. Most of them see the place as a pretty hardcore one and don't want to be associated with it. Even though most of them are effectively seasones pros!

[QUOTE=Bdb013;2269792]I've been to Medellin several times. I never go to the casas. I always have my own place which is fairly nice place to stay. I chat up the girls on Colombian Cupid. They will come over, have some drinks, chat, hang out, etc. Do your business, pay them and put them back in the cab home. Nice easy time, a little more relaxed and in a much more casual atmosphere.[/QUOTE]Sounds like this could be more my speed. How easy would you say it is to find "working" girls on CC? I'm obviously including in that definition all types of working girls (from newbie / non-pro upwards). How much of a front is CC? I'm used to Seeking Arrangement and found the ratio to be 50/50 (if not 40/60 towards genuine) between pros and girls looking for something serious.

Interesting. Maybe something I didn't even know going on was happening. I just remember a few incidents with them there later at night. Hopefully they don't all disappear as my apartment is in Centro soon.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2269786]Actually they do just disappear.

Depends on the particular night, the time that they leave.

It's usually around 9 or 10 pm, however, there are exceptions, depending on what they're told to do, and they stay later on the weekends.

I've had many conversations with them.

And of course it's better when they're around.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=YankeeFan;2269742]Casa's are basically commercial brothels. I found them to be like a candy store. I would enter one of the ones listed on the ISG map for Medellin, use my limited Spanish to say Yo quiero treinta minutos con una chica, and they would sit me down, and call a group of around 8 chicas to parade by me, usually skimpily dressed, giving their names, and then I would make a choice, she would step away a minute, then lead me to a room, and we were ready to go. Easy and comfortable, lots of fun, and you can't beat the price, being how safe it is. Much safer than a SW in my opinion.[/QUOTE]Hey YankeeFan!

Thanks for clarifying that for me. All this talk about the dangers of El Centro has me a bit concerned about hanging around past sunset. My buddy and I will likely keep El Centro as a daytime activity given our lack of familiarity the area and our language barrier. The Casa's might be a good daytime diversion. Then we'll retire back to Poblado for the evenings where I think we'll be staying. Perhaps La Setenta in Laurles might be OK for an evening stroll as well.

So, how would you rate the quality of the girls and facilities of the casas you checked out? Would you say they were pretty nice or kinda dingy?

Also, have you had any experience using [URL]Mileroticos.com[/URL] or [URL]Photoprepagos.com[/URL] for arranging outcalls? The girls on there look pretty hot, but my guess is that a lot of those are fakes or scams. If you or anyone else has had success with these sites and have some "best practices" tips to ensure a good experience I'd appreciate it.

[QUOTE=PaisaPorFavor;2269813]Interesting. Maybe something I didn't even know going on was happening. I just remember a few incidents with them there later at night. Hopefully they don't all disappear as my apartment is in Centro soon.

.[/QUOTE]Oh nice!

Good luck with the new pad!

I planned on hitting a casa in centro today. Despite having been here forever, I've never done it. There is something off putting about going into an address that isn't clearly a business, with the expectation of getting pussy. Still, off putting or not, I should at least try them out at some point, I've been here so long it is silly not to know them.

But, I got distracted by dropping into a place I haven't been in a while, Grill Occidente. It's on the map as a bar, but it is pretty clearly a strip club (has a pole, girls dance, take the girls to rooms upstairs through the DJ booth, etc).

I dropped in at around 3 PM. There were probably 12 girls there, half of which were not very attractive, but a few were pretty decent. I got lucky and the the most attractive girl came right to me (there were probably about 10 customers in the place when I walked in, a few more by the time I left about 45 minutes later).

Ron Caldas on ice was 5 k pesos. Lady drink (constinita) was 6 k pesos. Not sure if the prices quoted are daytime prices, or even just the girl I talked to, but my girl asked for 50 k for half hour, room and condom included in price. She gave about a minute of BBBJ before insisting we move on to something else. She made an effort to make it enjoyable, I finished in her tits, which were decent sized. Rooms were kind of skanky as is the usual for this kind of place.

Walked over to Zandalay afterwards, the casa I was planning on going to, kind of glad I hit the bar. It was not clear that the place was open. Saw about 20 trans streetwalkers on calle 56 and 56 a in the middle of the day. The map doesn't make it clear that is the case, though I've seen lots of trans streetwalkers at Parque Bolivar at night when taking a cab to Ejecutiva / Maracaibo, so it makes sense.

[QUOTE=WindAngel;2269441]I think Tijuana is a lot more dangerous than el centro but they don't over react like it is here.[/QUOTE]It's not even close, Tijuana is the 5th most dangerous city in the world at 100 homicides per 100,000 a year. Medellin is around 20 per 100,000.

MED was 225 per 100,000 in 1995!

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate[/URL]

[URL]https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/colombia/article203230594.html[/URL]

I was thinking something similar when I read the original post. I can't remember ever seeing Botero Plaza and the surrounding streets devoid of police even very late at night. I am by no means a tough guy. I avoid nighttime wandering in Centro. I do pop into the strip clubs from time to time at late hours and I've been in Botero Plaza past midnight. More often than night I am passing by in a taxi or uber but sometimes on foot. I always see police. I don't recommend anyone take their presence as a green light to do whatever at any time of night.

[QUOTE=PaisaPorFavor;2269540]I've seen plenty of cops while walking around past midnight. Not that they would do much but they don't just disappear..[/QUOTE]

Some of the chicks on seeking look really hot in the pictures posted. Even better than I can find on Fb. Onviously the Casas and Strip club scene will just require visits to figure out.

What has been the experience of board members in finding arrangements on seeking in Medellin. Are the pictures generally more or less reliable? Are most of the girls game for ST, is ST a day a week or a month usually, or are they mostly interested in LT relationships? Some of them say they are English speaking, is that credible, or just girls marketing themselves to gringos.

I figured the 18-22's looking for men 18-50 is a tell tale sign of a prepago of some sort. Is seeking a relatively safe fishing ground compared to say mileroticos.

What sort of benefits do they usually look for from sponsors over there. Just any feedback from folks who have used that site in Medellin would be appreciated. Thinking of getting a subscription, but don't want to waste my time, energy and money if its generally a dead end.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2269785]Next, look at population density for Poblado and El Centro. Then look at number of extranjeros killed in each place. Higher population density = more murders. Tourists are more likely to be killed in Poblado.[/QUOTE]As Vegas Jeff told me once, you need to be more careful about being robbed in Poblado as it is foreign turf for the bandidos from the barrio. They are out of their element and are on edge. But Poblado is where the targets are. When being robbed, one should not make the mistake of sudden movements or resist as nervous muggers may just shoot you accidently.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2269951]I was thinking something similar when I read the original post. I can't remember ever seeing Botero Plaza and the surrounding streets devoid of police even very late at night. I am by no means a tough guy. I avoid nighttime wandering in Centro. I do pop into the strip clubs from time to time at late hours and I've been in Botero Plaza past midnight. More often than night I am passing by in a taxi or uber but sometimes on foot. I always see police. I don't recommend anyone take their presence as a green light to do whatever at any time of night.[/QUOTE]Some of the more dangerous areas of el centro are the area beyond the street walker scene where lots of druggies hang out, the tranny area just off Parque Botero is also very dangerous at night (not during the day) and the druggie area just up from the police station near Parque Inglesias.

I have hung out at all hours of the night with VJ in el centro. It can be dangerous as you need to not be drunk as people are looking for opportunities who may be high or drunk themselves. The most dangerous people are the young kids with no experience and no fear. Just a weapon and their money which you are carrying.

That said, walking up Oriental and then to the strip club is safe enough

[QUOTE=GMan076;2269819]
Also, have you had any experience using [URL]Mileroticos.com[/URL] or [URL]Photoprepagos.com[/URL] for arranging outcalls? The girls on there look pretty hot, but my guess is that a lot of those are fakes or scams. If you or anyone else has had success with these sites and have some "best practices" tips to ensure a good experience I'd appreciate it.[/QUOTE]I've had pretty good luck with both those sites. Photoprepagos especially is pretty good at filtering out scammers and I've yet to have a girl from there that was an outright lie. Granted they tend to use flattering angles and soft filters but what escort site doesn't?

One somewhat stalkerish trick I've learned is that if you save their phone number into your contact list on your phone you can sometimes find their facebook and instagram pages in your friend suggestions on either platform. Makes it easier when you can see their unblurred faces. Also try googling the number. I once found a Spanish forum where people were posting reviews and rating each prepago.

Had any experience using [URL]Mileroticos.com[/URL] or [URL]Photoprepagos.com[/URL] for arranging outcalls? I'm looking for lady for LT. Its reasonable to take LT in medellin / cartagena? I'm first time in Columbia.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2269951]I was thinking something similar when I read the original post. I can't remember ever seeing Botero Plaza and the surrounding streets devoid of police even very late at night. I am by no means a tough guy. I avoid nighttime wandering in Centro. I do pop into the strip clubs from time to time at late hours and I've been in Botero Plaza past midnight. More often than night I am passing by in a taxi or uber but sometimes on foot. I always see police. I don't recommend anyone take their presence as a green light to do whatever at any time of night.[/QUOTE]Well trust me man, they do leave, and at least for me, the scene gets even more harsh, and I try and avoid being out there at that time.

It doesn't really matter to me if you believe me or not, Lol, I'm just generally saying that el Centro is always sketchy at night, which you know, however, for me anyway, it feels even worse when the cops split.

I see chicas on my FB are posting holidays pictures from Cartagena. So is this holidays season again in MDE after we just had one? LOL.

[QUOTE=Talon;2270248]I've had pretty good luck with both those sites. Photoprepagos especially is pretty good at filtering out scammers and I've yet to have a girl from there that was an outright lie. Granted they tend to use flattering angles and soft filters but what escort site doesn't?

One somewhat stalkerish trick I've learned is that if you save their phone number into your contact list on your phone you can sometimes find their facebook and instagram pages in your friend suggestions on either platform. Makes it easier when you can see their unblurred faces. Also try googling the number. I once found a Spanish forum where people were posting reviews and rating each prepago.[/QUOTE]For first timers, would you suggest to get a room in hotel and get escorts from Photoprepagos or go to the casa?. I was shuffling photoprepagos website and saw some cute faces and the tariff is very reasonable for US residents.

[QUOTE=HappyShiva;2270292]For first timers, would you suggest to get a room in hotel and get escorts from Photoprepagos or go to the casa?. I was shuffling photoprepagos website and saw some cute faces and the tariff is very reasonable for US residents.[/QUOTE]Well with a casa you just go there, pick out a girl that interests you, make some quick talk on what you like and how much, then get down to business. Hard to beat in terms of convenience and cost, particularly the casas around centro. The only difficulty is finding the right address.

You first have to do some prep work to use an escort. First you need a phone that works in Medellin. And you have to make sure your hotel or airbnb is girl-friendly. Then you have to message them, wait for their reply, find out when they're available, talk about their wills and won'ts and how much, schedule a time to meet (some have their own apartment, however most don't), then patiently wait for their arrival. Colombians tend to have terrible time management and most will be late, sometimes by hours. I've had a few get completely lost and had to give directions.

However overall I think escorts and social media hookups tend to give far better service than casas. My best casa experiences were pretty forgettable. The girls there are mostly interested in getting you to nut quickly so they can move on to their next client. I haven't had a photoprepago girl where I DIDN'T get GFE. One of best I found on there had a killer body, slim with naturally large breasts, a face like a model, and genuinely enjoyed her work. Many orgasms were shared with her! Sadly her number stopped working and I lost contact.

I trust you. I believe you. I know Centro is more dangerous at night and not completely safe during the day. Of course police patrols are fewer and farther between the later it gets.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2270261]Well trust me man, they do leave, and at least for me, the scene gets even more harsh, and I try and avoid being out there at that time.

It doesn't really matter to me if you believe me or not, Lol, I'm just generally saying that el Centro is always sketchy at night, which you know, however, for me anyway, it feels even worse when the cops split.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2270122]What has been the experience of board members in finding arrangements on seeking in Medellin.[/QUOTE]I assume you mean SeekingArrangements. (a Sugar Daddy site) I use it in the States and tried it on my 1st trip to MED. The super hot ones wanted too much, I was offering 300 k ($100) for all night. Made 2 dates for my 1st 2 nights.

Did not use it on the next 3 trips.

Same issue I have with the escorts sites, the girls use the best pic of them they have, possibly airbrushed, possibly old. Plus you have zero idea about personality, if they are wackjobs etc.

With the strip clubs, street girls and Casa's you can see the girl in person and with the 1st 2 talk or have a drink and gauge attitude and sexiness.

Here are the 2 girls pics from the site and then the ones I took. I had a OK time with them but one was heavier then her pics and quite the party girl, she got some coke in a bar we were at, and the redhead wasn't quite as hot as her pics in person. But she was pretty cool.

[QUOTE=Jayson01;2270286]I see chicas on my FB are posting holidays pictures from Cartagena. So is this holidays season again in MDE after we just had one? LOL.[/QUOTE]Cartagena is very busy in January. Many Colombians go there for vacation.

[QUOTE=Jayson01;2270286]I see chicas on my FB are posting holidays pictures from Cartagena. So is this holidays season again in MDE after we just had one? LOL.[/QUOTE][URL]https://eventsite.com.co/eventos/moonfest-2019[/URL]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2269785]Next, look at population density for Poblado and El Centro. Then look at number of extranjeros killed in each place. Higher population density = more murders. Tourists are more likely to be killed in Poblado.[/QUOTE]I think gringos are more likely than a local to be killed in either poblado or el centro just because they tend do stupid things. There probably are more gringos killed in poblado than el centro. Because the population density of gringos in poblado is probably a hundred times higher than gringos en el centro.

I don't really think your chances of being killed in el centro are high although they are higher than being killed in poblado on average. But your chances of being robbed are much higher in el centro than in poblado.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2270261]Well trust me man, they do leave, and at least for me, the scene gets even more harsh, and I try and avoid being out there at that time.

It doesn't really matter to me if you believe me or not, Lol, I'm just generally saying that el Centro is always sketchy at night, which you know, however, for me anyway, it feels even worse when the cops split.[/QUOTE]I'm going to back you up on this one. I've been through Plaza Botero many times, after 9 pm when there's not a cop in sight. Once the last shops close, that area becomes almost deserted. There are usually still a few rough looking women in the alley next to Iglesia Veracruz, but nothing worth the effort.

[QUOTE=Talon;2270248]I've had pretty good luck with both those sites. Photoprepagos especially is pretty good at filtering out scammers and I've yet to have a girl from there that was an outright lie. Granted they tend to use flattering angles and soft filters but what escort site doesn't?

One somewhat stalkerish trick I've learned is that if you save their phone number into your contact list on your phone you can sometimes find their facebook and instagram pages in your friend suggestions on either platform. Makes it easier when you can see their unblurred faces. Also try googling the number. I once found a Spanish forum where people were posting reviews and rating each prepago.[/QUOTE]Hey Talon,

Great tip. I got off FB and IG a while ago, but maybe it sounds like a good idea to set up alternate accounts for this trip. I get the sense based on your advice and others that have mentioned in the forms, that of the two sites, Photoprepagos seems the more reliable. I notice they have a filter which narrows down which profiles contain verified pictures. I no longer use escort services in the US, but when Backpage was a thing, it used to be an art to decipher which ones were likely to be legit. Basically, I stayed away from anything that looked like it was done professionally and usually zeroed in on those that looked more homespun. My guess is that wouldn't be a bad tactic to take when making selections on the Colombian sites as well. Thanks again for the advice and tips.

It's Christmas time in Medellin QUeens, mama cookin arepeas why colled palito de queso.

Ok that's my dumb rap. Anyway I had some time and figured I would see the Alumbrados EPM and maybe some girls that needed some extra cash for regulas. I didn't think I would see much but I was surprised.

Veronica 150 K.

I first went with my old reliable. Energy. LU was very big but not that many I liked. I came upon veronica. She had a pretty face and very big natural tits and did not have kids. She had a little gut from one too many cervasas but she fucked like a champ despite not much kissing. She was fun but I wouldn't see her again for the simple fact of it just wasnt enough chemistry to keep me.

Natalia 150 K.

I seen her a couple times before. She seeing her again she kisses me like a boyfriend from before. She has this sort of bedroom eyes that just say "fuck me. Please, I need it" she is only 5 2 but with bolt on see cups and weights 90 lbs soaking wet. She upcharges for oral naturale but this time I just forgot o take extra so got an ok coverec BJ. Sex was good and she let me finish on her giant fake tits. Side note, I saw her in a building in San Diego that I have seen a prepoago before, in almost the same exact room years ago. She made me wait a bit which makes me think she was seeing someone else but she said there are more girls working and I was the only one wiating without a room. Anyway. I snuck a quick pic of her bolt on tits. She looks cute when she is dressed in normal clothes.


Valentina 400 K Todo la noche.

This was an intresting pick up from SA. She lived in a town about 30 min from rio negro so her getting to mEd was a task. We had been talking for weeks before and she agreed to stay with me all night, was on the pill and would BB after seeing my test. She lives in a small town so it was fun to be with her. She was surprisng very passionate and sensual for only being 20. She had blue eyes and we made fun of if she gets preggers when I came in her, atleast we will have pretty blue eye babies haha. She stayed longer and I got her an uber back (cost 70 pesos but totally worth it).

(blond hair).

Daniela 300 K todo la noche.

This girl was half colombian and half lenonase and TOTAL FreAK! She was really into porn and before we talked she was send me clips of things she wanted me to do. She never did facials and was like a rock star of wanting one. She was super fan #1 for "plesase cum in my face" luckily I saved a day or so and I took the holy grail cum pills and damn if I didn't give her an 8 roper all over her face and mouth! IT was magical to see someone enjoy it as much as she did. SHe originally agreed to BB but got cold feet so I did have to fuck her with a rubber but when I was going to cum she took it off and raced to get every drop in her mouth and face, no matter what. Even when we did it doggystyle or when I was on top, it was like a race for her and she was always in position like she praciced from watching all the porns. She also lived in a town just outside med so I had to pay a little extra for her uber.

(SHe is on the black and white shirt and also the bikini).

Luci 150 K.

She was a cute venezuelan that was just in love with blue eyes. So mcuh so she like almost forgot to take the money. We agreed for a couple hours, she wound up staying from 7-3 am. She was fun to hang with and we got delivery (she ate the fuck out of orange chicken hhaha) she told me about her family in maricabdo vnz and how she is just hoping things get better. I hope for her sake as well. She was really cute and had little tiny labia that she laughed when I brushed my fingers across them. She is leaving for Cali to see a cousin that has some real work for her there so hopefully I will see her again. (blakc and white and blck and white top).

Caro 130 K.

She was enthusiasic, but when she took off her top her tits just drooped sooo much I really just loss intrested in her. I know it isn't her fauly but that bra and panties was a total pump fake. She had to really work hard to get me to cum and finally when I did I cound't wait for her to leave. She was sweet but just I couldn't take it. Oh well we all have those times.

Sandra.

Red head with the saturn tat. I picked her up at Indiana mall of all places and we decided to meet 2 days later. I was SUPER surprused how on time she was. We didn't fuck that night but we made out. Which she told me was rare. She had to leave for navidad to see her family in Bogota and she was sad she couldn't spend more time. I almost made the mistake of offering her money and I quickly defused it (she works with her mom renting cars) so hopefully I can keep this one for next time.

All in all, for it being holiday times I did quite well. I also saw some non pros that I had a drink with and a make out session with but she was on the rag so what can you do. I hope everyone had a good holiday. Feliz Navidad!

[QUOTE=GMan076;2270537]Hey Talon,

Great tip. I got off FB and IG a while ago, but maybe it sounds like a good idea to set up alternate accounts for this trip. I get the sense based on your advice and others that have mentioned in the forms, that of the two sites, Photoprepagos seems the more reliable. I notice they have a filter which narrows down which profiles contain verified pictures. I no longer use escort services in the US, but when Backpage was a thing, it used to be an art to decipher which ones were likely to be legit. Basically, I stayed away from anything that looked like it was done professionally and usually zeroed in on those that looked more homespun. My guess is that wouldn't be a bad tactic to take when making selections on the Colombian sites as well. Thanks again for the advice and tips.[/QUOTE]It seems like Photoprepagos is a better choice to the mongers who are looking for wider variety of quality service then available in mansion and casas. Anyone can recommend a chica friendly hotel in the safe neighborhood of centro or poblado.

[QUOTE=HappyShiva;2270639]It seems like Photoprepagos is a better choice to the mongers who are looking for wider variety of quality service then available in mansion and casas. Anyone can recommend a chica friendly hotel in the safe neighborhood of centro or poblado.[/QUOTE]San Peters Suites. It's economical, no chica fee and is in the best location in terms of everything.

So, a bit off-putting perhaps but important nonetheless. These chicks are getting the often. Obviously raincoats are encouraged for most / some. But I am more concerned with smell. A lot of the women I have sampled stateside have that odor. Personally I can't stand it and it's a total turn off. What's everyone's experience with this? Sorry guys. Haha.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2270576]It's Christmas time in Medellin QUeens, mama cookin arepeas why colled palito de queso.

Valentina 400 K Todo la noche.

This was an intresting pick up from SA. She lived in a town about 30 min from rio negro so her getting to mEd was a task. We had been talking for weeks before and she agreed to stay with me all night, was on the pill and would BB after seeing my test. She lives in a small town so it was fun to be with her. She was surprisng very passionate and sensual for only being 20. She had blue eyes and we made fun of if she gets preggers when I came in her, atleast we will have pretty blue eye babies haha. She stayed longer and I got her an uber back (cost 70 pesos but totally worth it).

(blond hair).[/QUOTE]How do you get the girls from SA to meet you, the pros are always eager to meet but the non pros always flake or come up with some excuse? Do you guys go on dinner date and then get invite them to your hotel or you invite them to your apartment after exchanging number?

[QUOTE=GMan076;2269819]Hey YankeeFan!

Thanks for clarifying that for me. All this talk about the dangers of El Centro has me a bit concerned about hanging around past sunset. My buddy and I will likely keep El Centro as a daytime activity given our lack of familiarity the area and our language barrier. The Casa's might be a good daytime diversion. Then we'll retire back to Poblado for the evenings where I think we'll be staying. Perhaps La Setenta in Laurles might be OK for an evening stroll as well.

So, how would you rate the quality of the girls and facilities of the casas you checked out? Would you say they were pretty nice or kinda dingy?

Also, have you had any experience using [URL]Mileroticos.com[/URL] or [URL]Photoprepagos.com[/URL] for arranging outcalls? The girls on there look pretty hot, but my guess is that a lot of those are fakes or scams. If you or anyone else has had success with these sites and have some "best practices" tips to ensure a good experience I'd appreciate it.[/QUOTE]Hi,

Check out my MDE FR from a week or so ago for some more details. The casas seemed clean, and safe, but certainly on the dingy side. Remember, you're paying about $15 per session. It suits me just fine, as my FR tells about my tastes, which are not as demanding as many other forum contributors. I have not used any websites, I really try to get right down to business as my time is limited, and I enjoy fitting in as many sessions as possible. Feel free to PM for any more information.

I used it my first 2 trips, a bit more expensive but seemed like mostly better looking young girls. I did get one pro with a HORRIBLE tit job, wow what ugly scars on the bottom. Looked like they used a kitchen knife. I also have kept in touch with one that we have hooking up for a year now. We stay in touch still and will see her next month. I found a 20 yr old univ student that would let me BB her and did everything bare. I pissed her off last trip so no more of her. Oh well there are tons on SA.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2270122]Some of the chicks on seeking look really hot in the pictures posted. Even better than I can find on Fb. Onviously the Casas and Strip club scene will just require visits to figure out.

What has been the experience of board members in finding arrangements on seeking in Medellin. Are the pictures generally more or less reliable? Are most of the girls game for ST, is ST a day a week or a month usually, or are they mostly interested in LT relationships? Some of them say they are English speaking, is that credible, or just girls marketing themselves to gringos.

I figured the 18-22's looking for men 18-50 is a tell tale sign of a prepago of some sort. Is seeking a relatively safe fishing ground compared to say mileroticos.

What sort of benefits do they usually look for from sponsors over there. Just any feedback from folks who have used that site in Medellin would be appreciated. Thinking of getting a subscription, but don't want to waste my time, energy and money if its generally a dead end.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2270322]I assume you mean SeekingArrangements. (a Sugar Daddy site) I use it in the States and tried it on my 1st trip to MED. The super hot ones wanted too much, I was offering 300 k ($100) for all night. Made 2 dates for my 1st 2 nights.

Did not use it on the next 3 trips.

Same issue I have with the escorts sites, the girls use the best pic of them they have, possibly airbrushed, possibly old. Plus you have zero idea about personality, if they are wackjobs etc.

With the strip clubs, street girls and Casa's you can see the girl in person and with the 1st 2 talk or have a drink and gauge attitude and sexiness.

Here are the 2 girls pics from the site and then the ones I took. I had a OK time with them but one was heavier then her pics and quite the party girl, she got some coke in a bar we were at, and the redhead wasn't quite as hot as her pics in person. But she was pretty cool.[/QUOTE]Exactly why I don't bother with online service providers, anywhere in the world. Fake outs and no idea of chemistry. Plus you've agreed something even if she turns up (late) and then makes a scene after you've ascertained she is definitely a wackjob.

So I'm a fan of the BBBJ to completion. Not always easy to get around here, so I take note when someone posts on one of the sites that they do it. Here are 3 experiences.

1. Gina from Mileroticos.

She varies in what she charges, but I think she is usually asking about 100 k to come to your place for an hour, no upcharge to finish in her mouth. She isn't really my type, and not super enthusiastic, but she gets the job done. I've seen her a few times. If you're like me and want the spectacular finish, she's a decent option.

2. Luna from Mileroticos.

Phone number ends in 6622. There is another Luna on Mileroticos that qualifies so I wanted to be specific. This Luna seems to delete her posts. She posts pictures without a face, and is currently located in Bello. She claimed to charge 50 k on ME, but asked for 70 k on whatsapp. We made an appointment, but she stopped responding when I arrived near her location (yet she saw the messages) left me waiting in the street for 15 minutes before I left and went somewhere else. I guess it is better than being robbed.

3. Anotella from Mileroticos.

Anotella is a regular on ME, but this week I saw her for the first time. She doesn't post pics of her face, so it was a nice surprise that she was quite pretty. Great ass and smaller tits, very attractive. She charges 80 for a half, 120 for an hour, 30 k upcharge to blow in her mouth. She was friendly, tried hard, skilled, and I never felt rushed at all. I regret not seeing her earlier, I just never got around to her. She works in an apartment in the Laurelas area, and is worth the trip.

[QUOTE=DarrenGap;2270684]Exactly why I don't bother with online service providers, anywhere in the world. Fake outs and no idea of chemistry. Plus you've agreed something even if she turns up (late) and then makes a scene after you've ascertained she is definitely a wackjob.[/QUOTE]Yeah, that's definitely a problem. The other is having her come back to your place before you've had a chance to gauge whether she's stable as you've mentioned. One workaround I'm contemplating is having the girl meet me at some public spot for a bite or drink. Perhaps I could offer her some nominal amount as a guarantee just for showing up, then make my decision whether to continue or not. A couple of the Photoprepagos girls I've contacted in preparation for my upcoming trip have offered additional uncensored pics, allowing me to check out their face. To me, this is a good sign (although by no means a guarantee) that she is as advertised. The ads to really watch out for are the ones that look over produced. There's a high risk that it's a completely different girl in those circumstances; that the photo was simply ripped off from somewhere else on the net. Personally, I just don't like the idea of the whole casa thing. I know it's cheap and you get to see her first, but the whole process and mentality of it just doesn't fit my taste. Anyway, we'll see. I'll probably make some mistakes along the way, but it's all good. If I find a good one, I'll likely keep her around. I don't need to be banging tons of girls every day (not that there's anything wrong with that). I did that in my 20's-30's. 40's you slow down a bit. LOL.

[QUOTE=AbiMahajan;2270660]How do you get the girls from SA to meet you, the pros are always eager to meet but the non pros always flake or come up with some excuse? Do you guys go on dinner date and then get invite them to your hotel or you invite them to your apartment after exchanging number?[/QUOTE]It is like with anything else, it comes down to chemistry. At first, I find, I talk with about everything BUT sex. Having good Spanish helps and not Just translator Spanish. I try to get their WhatsApp off SA right away. If they resist I tell them I want them to hear my Spanish with a voice note. Then just banter, talking about whatever, send them funny photos and videos of you or interesting places you travel to. If you have a pic of you next to Eiffel Tower or Empire State Building they eat it up. Ask if they have a passport, give them hope, get them excited. When I see them I usually pour them a glass of wine and just talk a bit, then get them so worked up there panties are dripping. Just tell them how captivating their bodies is and it's a wrap.

[QUOTE=Fmc858;2270647]So, a bit off-putting perhaps but important nonetheless. These chicks are getting the often. Obviously raincoats are encouraged for most / some. But I am more concerned with smell. A lot of the women I have sampled stateside have that odor. Personally I can't stand it and it's a total turn off. What's everyone's experience with this? Sorry guys. Haha.[/QUOTE]We all have these stories but I can tell you, Colombianas as a people are the most hygienic people you will ever meet. In all my years, I think I came across 1 in 100's that had stank pussy. The culture is just clean, go to lunch at any mall and visit the bathroom, you will see everyone brushing their teeth and grooming. It is why oral covered is popular here. The hygiene is taught very young and practiced. I doubt you will run into stank vag, but just stick to casa like energy and you will be good.

I usually communicate via local number when contacting / lining up girls but given its first Colombia teip, I have not gotten my hands on claro / local sim.

What I'm trying to find is that if local options are not responding with foreign number (mainly on WA)?

I started to work on Mile E and prepago but not getting responses given my WA number is +1 area code.

Any one experienced similar issue? My Spanish skills are sub par BTW.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2270576]It's Christmas time in Medellin QUeens, mama cookin arepeas why colled palito de queso.

Valentina 400 K Todo la noche.

This was an intresting pick up from SA. She lived in a town about 30 min from rio negro so her getting to mEd was a task. We had been talking for weeks before and she agreed to stay with me all night, was on the pill and would BB after seeing my test. She lives in a small town so it was fun to be with her. She was surprisng very passionate and sensual for only being 20. She had blue eyes and we made fun of if she gets preggers when I came in her, atleast we will have pretty blue eye babies haha. She stayed longer and I got her an uber back (cost 70 pesos but totally worth it).

(blond hair).

[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing BC. Valentina seems a true gem. Great attitude and a really cute appearance. Blonde girls with blue eyes are such a treat in South America!

[QUOTE=BetaFin;2270643]San Peters Suites. It's economical, no chica fee and is in the best location in terms of everything.[/QUOTE]Thanks BF. Anyone knows anywhere closer to (or ideally in Poblado? I have friends staying at the Mansion that I will be seeing daily and don't really fancy spending my morning / evening in Medellin traffic.

Those prices are great though. Truth be told I've never stayed in Laureles after dusk so not sure how safe it is. Especially when one has had a bit to drink!

[QUOTE=Baudelairemod;2271029]Thanks BF. Anyone knows anywhere closer to (or ideally in Poblado? I have friends staying at the Mansion that I will be seeing daily and don't really fancy spending my morning / evening in Medellin traffic.

Those prices are great though. Truth be told I've never stayed in Laureles after dusk so not sure how safe it is. Especially when one has had a bit to drink![/QUOTE]I've stayed in Laureles at the Sans Peter. No issues for me walking around at night. It is a nice Colombian neighborhood. The rooms are basically one bedroom apartments. Barry Branchfield, Poblado Apartments, has several apartments and condos for rent. Look on Airbnb or vrbo. Also, Hotel Du Parc Royal is right on Parque Lleras. Its pretty nice hotel and girl friendly.

[QUOTE=Baudelairemod;2271017]Blonde girls with blue eyes are such a treat in South America![/QUOTE]They are a treat anywhere in the world. People with blue eyes make up only 8% of the world's population.

[QUOTE=Baudelairemod;2271029]Truth be told I've never stayed in Laureles after dusk so not sure how safe it is. Especially when one has had a bit to drink![/QUOTE]I visited a buddy who stays in Laureles (a couple of months ago) and it's a very laidback area. Kinda hippie, veggie, international back packer type of neighborhood.

My impression is it's a very safe barrio.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2271076]They are a treat anywhere in the world. People with blue eyes make up only 8% of the world's population.[/QUOTE]Yes but that 8% climbs significantly if you don't consider the whole of South America, Africa, the Middle East and (most importantly) Asia. And I do live in Northern Europe where (thank God) we are blessed with quite a few blue-eyed ladies.

Shame there isn't a Medellin (with Mansion included) in Sweden or Norway because that would probably be the closest thing to heaven on earth. Maybe somewhere in Russia but the language is quite the insurmountable obstacle and I won't even mention personal safety!

As a fellow blonde-haired blue-eyed gringo I've gotten pretty good mileage with my features in latin america. I can count on one hand the number of compliments I've received during my life in the states on my physical appearance but it seems to drive latinas wild. A few have even "jokingly" suggested we should have kids together and remark on how beautiful they would be.

[QUOTE=Baudelairemod;2271029]Thanks BF. Anyone knows anywhere closer to (or ideally in Poblado? I have friends staying at the Mansion that I will be seeing daily and don't really fancy spending my morning / evening in Medellin traffic.

Those prices are great though. Truth be told I've never stayed in Laureles after dusk so not sure how safe it is. Especially when one has had a bit to drink![/QUOTE]Laureles is fine at night, unless you're falling down drunk. But, no place is safe when you're that drunk.

Why deal with traffic going from Laureles to Poblado? Depending on your walking pace, San Peter Suites is 5 to 10 minutes away from the Estadio metro station. Take the metro to San Antonio station, switch trains to Poblado station and you're there in 15 minutes. From there grab a taxi to the Mansion, or better yet to Centro Comercial La Strada, where you can meet your friends and have an excellent breakfast at Al Alma Cafe. It's just a short walk down hill from the Mansion.

[QUOTE=BetaFin;2270643]San Peters Suites. It's economical, no chica fee and is in the best location in terms of everything.[/QUOTE]Their beds are terrible though. Felt like I was sleeping on a rock.

I will in Medellin towards the end of this month.

Based on the reading done here. Plan to stay in Parque LLares or Poblado.

Do the high end hotels in this area allow girls for the night?

Do you recommend AirBnB or a hotel?

Also if anyone knows of girl friendly hotels please reply.

That's so funny. They do it with green eyes as well.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2271076]They are a treat anywhere in the world. People with blue eyes make up only 8% of the world's population.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=PaisaPorFavor;2271530]That's so funny. They do it with green eyes as well..[/QUOTE]Green eye color is the rarest color found around the world, and it is estimated that only around 2% of the world's population has green colored eyes.

[QUOTE=PaisaPorFavor;2271530]That's so funny. They do it with green eyes as well.[/QUOTE]Yep. Very funny. I am a Black guy with brown eyes. Annnd they also do it!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2271543]Yep. Very funny. I am a Black guy with brown eyes. Annnd they also do it![/QUOTE]It gets no funnier. Mr E. Salute to your quote, "A Hole and a Heartbeat! " I pure loved it!

Hotel Du Parc Royal is right on Parque Lleras. Its very nice and girl friendly. I've stayed there. I've also used airbnb and stayed in condos in Poblado. You will need to ask if they are guest friendly to confirm before booking. Personally, I like the airbnb route, but the nice hotels are very good option. If I were staying back in that area, I would opt for something very close to Lleras. The area around Pobaldo and lleras is pretty hilly and not as easy to walk like say Laureles neighborhood.

[QUOTE=Monger234;2271486]I will in Medellin towards the end of this month.

Based on the reading done here. Plan to stay in Parque LLares or Poblado.

Do the high end hotels in this area allow girls for the night?

Do you recommend AirBnB or a hotel?

Also if anyone knows of girl friendly hotels please reply.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monger234;2271486]I will in Medellin towards the end of this month.

Based on the reading done here. Plan to stay in Parque LLares or Poblado.

Do the high end hotels in this area allow girls for the night?

Do you recommend AirBnB or a hotel?

Also if anyone knows of girl friendly hotels please reply.[/QUOTE]You're going to want to do some basic research. Parque Lleras is an area that's located in Poblado. You can't stay in Parque Lleras without staying in Poblado, although you can stay in Poblado and not in Parque Lleras.

Some of the high end hotels are girl friendly. Some aren't. Simply email the hotels you are interested in and ask about their guest policy.

There are several rentals around Parque Lleras or convenient to Parque Lleras that are girl friendly. You can also search for Poblado Rentals and First American Investment Realty for 2 companies offering girl friendly apartments.

Hey guys,

Hope all is well. Couple questions. Are there any davebook groups with a lot of semi and non pros?

Also when it comes to meeting girls from FB and Tinder (of course I'm not looking for relationship) what is the best way to drop the hint that you will pay for their time, because it seems Paisas will get offended if offered money from the start.

Thanks everyone.

Prep work Before the trip:

Read every post for the past year or so. Reached out to Medellin mongers with a public and private requests for specific contacts. Haven't received any good contacts from anyone. Built a 60+ girls FB list. Deleted several by just keeping about 15 girls that I liked, Yes I am really picky. Took a 7 day subscription to SA. Carefully weeded out FB girls, Pros and semi pros etc. Final list was about 6 girls. Joined Vane's WA group too and exited as I didn't liked the talent.

Booked San Peters Suites in Laureles via AIRBNB. Fantastic location with everything (Exito, Medical shops, Metro station and lots of local restaurants and food options) nearby. But it is a basic single bed room apartment with 24 hour front desk. There is a loud music from the street until 2 am daily. Didn't bothered me though. I used the ATM to withdraw the COP's and the exchange rate was way better than Money changer rates.

Day1:

After Landing, Took a white taxi for 75 K cop to my hotel / room. Earlier in the day, fixed an appointment with FB girl Valentina Zapata to come by at 7 PM. She was communicating well throughout the day, but she went offline (on both FB and WA) from 6. 45 PM for the rest of the night. She sent me a text next day with an apology, with a silly reason for missing the appointment and requesting another appointment.

Walked around the area and had my dinner and took an Uber to Fase II around 11.30 pm. There were about 20 girls and none were impressive. Almost everyone got the Silicone breasts. I really hate the enhanced breasts / butts. Stayed there for 2 hours and finally pulled a tall morena for 180 K cop next door as I don't want to end the night without a session. Session was OK. She begged for the tip. Gave her 20 K, but she wanted 50 K. I said no and walked out. Took a taxi outside to the hotel. Will not go to Fase II anymore.

Day2:

I visited the Guatape / Piedra by following the well written directions from one of the older post. Beautiful views on the way to the rock and also from the top of the rock. Trip was well worth it. Back to hotel by 4 PM. Fixed an appointment with an FB girl, AndXXXX GXXXXX (not sharing her details as per my promise to a monger who shared her details). She came on time. She is a pretty girl and with a teenager looks because of her small and well maintained body. She seems to be 22 and she told me that she worked in the Mansion for a brief period in the past. She is fluent in English and a sweet girl. Had an enthusiastic session and she stayed close to 3 hours. Would have kept her for remaining trip if she had good boobs. I like big natural boobs, but she had very small boobs.

Day3:

Went to a coffee farm tour outside Medellin in the morning. It's educational and I learned a lot about coffee.

Based on several positive reviews in the forum, Went to Energy at 12 PM. 12 girls were paraded. All of them have enhanced breasts and none were above 5 (in my view). Since I came all the way, wanted to try the best among them, I picked a tall morena who seemed to have a medium natural breasts. But she told me that they are fake once we are in the room. Session was OK. Will never visit Energy again.

Started a WA conversation with 3 SA girls that shared their numbers. One never responded in WA. Another one told me that she can come with her friend just for drinks and dinner with no sex. Third one discussed the rate, got my address and fixed the time to visit me at 8 PM and went cold from 7.30 onwards. Second flake of the trip.

Took the Uber to The GIRLS / La Isla club and reached by 12.30. This is the place was rocking with the real HOOT women. There were about 50+ girls and with 10 customers. 10+ girls were real stunners that night. There were several with natural bodies. Took an amazing looking university girl for an on-site session. Session was good. Paid 350 K with tips. This is the place if you are really travelling all the way to Medellin to really bang hot looking girls. Came to know that they can come to hotel too if you want to take them out and there is no extra fee for takeout.

Day4:

Contacted Valentina Z again and she proposed a 3 some with Has Leal. Has was sending messages in FB for an appointment though I never told her that I am in Medellin. Looks like Vanetina passed the info to Has. Finalized the appointment for 11 AM and they both came on time. Had a nice 45 minutes session with both of them changing positions frequently. They left as soon as the session was over.

Went to Parque Arvi after that. The cable car ride was pretty cool over the mountains and the views are breathtaking from the car. Nothing much to do once you reach the top. I walked a 45 minutes each way to one of their attractions and it was a very small creek at the end. Was tired like a anything by the time I am back to room by 7 pm.

Tried contacting couple of FB girls from my list for their appointment. They were not available for that night / next day. Fixed an appointment with an FB girl, Yessica for 9 PM. But she went offline by 8. 45 PM, Third flake of the trip. She sent me a text next day with an apology, with a silly reason for missing the appointment and requesting another appointment. Was very tired anyways and went to sleep.

Day5:

Contacted the SA girl (who flaked on day3) again and asked her whether she can come at least today. She said yes for 12 PM, then texted again that she can come by 3 PM. I was really pissed and told her not to come. She literally begged me to take her at 3. Finally she came on time. Had a good session with her and sent her after an hour.

Went to Pablo Escobar's grave. There were 2 other visitors there. Back to the room by 7 pm.

Went to the GIRLS / La Isla at 10.30. There were very few girls at that time and they started trickling in from 11 onwards. Was not feeling well and was not in a mood so left the place at 11.30 PM. Flown back next day morning. Taxi was arranged by the front desk.

Conclusion:

Used both Uber and Metro to go around the city. Never felt like threatened anywhere at any time. Had limited time for mongering because of the tourist stuff that I did daily. But I am glad that I did that. Don't draw too much COP's. Lost 35% when I exchanged them to USD in Miami airport.

I am very particular on girls looks and natural bodies. I would be happy to be with an 8+ girl with a crappy sex than banging several low end chicks for good sex. I stocked several varieties of drinks (from Exito) and snacks in the room for the girls. I am surprised that no one was really interested to drink or eat that much. They just had a sip or two.

Never had a plan to visit El centro to avoid safety and health hazards.

Went to Parque Lleras for 2 nights between 11.30 pm-1 AM. Didn't find any attractive girls walking around. It could be because of the day / timings.

Few of the FB girls are in SA as well. One of the English speaking FB / SA girl asked me 500 K for an hour. I politely rejected the offer. Most of the girls with English skills in SA that I sent messages to, never responded and couple of them sent messages after I left the city. So, SA seems to be hit / miss, lot more work and lot more time needed.

Was in Vane's WA list for 3 weeks before the trip. But saw few of the FB girls and several of the low end girls in her list. Almost everyone had fake bodies. Based on my observation she seems to be reselling the FB / Casa / other girls for some small margin. Good business model. Exited from the list before the trip as none of her contacts were impressive in that short period.

If you are going to Medellin to really enjoy the best quality women by spending $1000+ on tickets, hotel and food, I would recommend you to visit girls / La Isla club and Loutron (was not able to go there in this trip). Don't waste your time at FaseII, Energy etc.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2270576]

Caro 130 K.

She was enthusiasic, but when she took off her top her tits just drooped sooo much I really just loss intrested in her. I know it isn't her fauly but that bra and panties was a total pump fake. She had to really work hard to get me to cum and finally when I did I cound't wait for her to leave. She was sweet but just I couldn't take it. Oh well we all have those times.

[/QUOTE]I think I recognize Caro from the picture. I had a good time with her three years ago. I still have her Whatsapp number. I met her through a taxi driver. Sorry it did not work for you but then you got a far better price. Take care.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2271543]Yep. Very funny. I am a Black guy with brown eyes. Annnd they also do it![/QUOTE]Yup. They tell all of us we're their type, whether we're short, tall, black, blond, young or old! Always good to massage our egos.

We are all their type as long as we have money.

[QUOTE=Combo;2271899]Yup. They tell all of us we're their type, whether we're short, tall, black, blond, young or old! Always good to massage our egos.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BetaFin;2271896]...If you are going to Medellin to really enjoy the best quality women by spending $1000+ on tickets, hotel and food, I would recommend you to visit girls / La Isla club and Loutron (was not able to go there in this trip). Don't waste your time at FaseII, Energy etc.[/QUOTE]Nice report, long and detailed. Thanks!

However, I would caution about your conclusion to avoid Fase II and Energy. You may have gone on a bad night for those clubs. Also, Loutron is generally viewed as an overpriced joint, never been there myself though.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2272007]Nice report, long and detailed. Thanks!

However, I would caution about your conclusion to avoid Fase II and Energy. You may have gone on a bad night for those clubs. Also, Loutron is generally viewed as an overpriced joint, never been there myself though.[/QUOTE]This is an excellent example of "one man's meat is another man's poison. " Each of us has our preferences. A girl who completely rocks my world some guys wouldn't touch. Some girls that guys rave about, I would pay them to put their clothes back on. Some guys insist on a certain look, others stress certain services.

He stated, for him, it's all about the looks. Some guys only care about the ass or the breasts. Some only care about getting a BBBJ. With his particular tastes, he's not going to be satisfied with a lot of places.

However, that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with those places. Energy, for example, I had a session there with a girl who I would never have picked, except for the look in her eyes. Wrong hair, wrong face, wrong body type, by my standards, but when she finished with me, I needed help getting down the stairs.

Valentina Zapata is another example. I spent about 3 hours with her one night, had a great time and probably spent the same amount as he spent for 45 minutes.

Whatever works for you is what you should focus on, instead of what works for someone else.

I did not find any luck with FB girls so I decided to open an account on colombian cupid. After paying $59.99 for 3 months, I received tons of responses from women between 31 and 46 years of age. Most of them are in the range of 4 and have a job. All of them gave me their whattsapp number, so I can communicate with them on phone and see them on camera. The problem is that most of them stays offline due to the fact that they do not have internet services at home and use the phone as internet. Also during the day time they are working and cannot use their phone at work. We vaguely chat during the night or see on cam. Most of them will expose themselves on camera and do a video sex act or mastrubate that shows their willingness for sex. Only 2 of them have so far asked for help with paying their bills and sending the money by western union and I deleted them. None of them speak any english and speak spanish very rapidly. I can understand the spanish, but loose the track when they speak very fast. I use the translator for communication. The problem is most of these women are looking for serious relationship and not just sexual. Most of these women are humble, live in normal house and have grown up children. Most of them do not drink alcohol or if they drink will be social.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2272107]Some girls that guys rave about, I would pay them to put their clothes back on. Some guys insist on a certain look, others stress certain services.

With his particular tastes, he's not going to be satisfied with a lot of places..[/QUOTE]JjBee62,

You are 100% correct on what you said. Seen prettier and / or stunners (occasional) in the streets / Metro. It just that I expected more quality in those places.

I also want to be clear to everyone that I had pleasant experiences with all my in-call and out-call girls, no one showed any attitude, rushing or anything. My sessions are for hour or less as I have zero Spanish speaking skills and it is not convenient to have a normal conversation through G. Translate. That's why I really enjoyed the company of English speaking girl and she was also nice and not transactional.

My report is better suited towards anyone with similar tastes.

Betafin.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2272107]This is an excellent example of "one man's meat is another man's poison. " Each of us has our preferences. A girl who completely rocks my world some guys wouldn't touch. Some girls that guys rave about, I would pay them to put their clothes back on. Some guys insist on a certain look, others stress certain services.

... Whatever works for you is what you should focus on, instead of what works for someone else.[/QUOTE]Exactly!

I was going to post something along those lines, however, it's so basic, I decided against it, LOL.

Nice report he made, except assuming we all had his tastes and wouldn't enjoy what he didn't enjoy.

Let's get back to eye color discussions, LOL.

Is anyone going thru the airport soon?

For my next trip to Medellin, I would love to unload about 15,000 Mexican pesos I have. I want to exchange them in Medellin for Colombian pesos. I imagine though that you get a terrible exchange rate just like when you exchange dollars for COP.

Can anyone report on MX peso to COP rates?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2272107]Whatever works for you is what you should focus on, instead of what works for someone else.[/QUOTE]That is why I say just point me towards them and give me a general price. I will go pick my own and work my magic getting the price down and whatever else I want. I don't need Girl A, be, or see's contact info. I prefer to do my own hunting. Just show me where the forest is located.

[QUOTE=HappyShiva;2272129]I did not find any luck with FB girls so I decided to open an account on colombian cupid. After paying $59.99 for 3 months, I received tons of responses from women between 31 and 46 years of age. Most of them are in the range of 4 and have a job. All of them gave me their whattsapp number, so I can communicate with them on phone and see them on camera. The problem is that most of them stays offline due to the fact that they do not have internet services at home and use the phone as internet. Also during the day time they are working and cannot use their phone at work. We vaguely chat during the night or see on cam. Most of them will expose themselves on camera and do a video sex act or mastrubate that shows their willingness for sex. Only 2 of them have so far asked for help with paying their bills and sending the money by western union and I deleted them. None of them speak any english and speak spanish very rapidly. I can understand the spanish, but loose the track when they speak very fast. I use the translator for communication. The problem is most of these women are looking for serious relationship and not just sexual. Most of these women are humble, live in normal house and have grown up children. Most of them do not drink alcohol or if they drink will be social.[/QUOTE]I honestly have not been to Colombia yet (I am going in a month), but I have been on cupid and I can confirm that a first copy and paste message to 10 girls will get you a phone number in most cases (assuming they read the message) if you ask for it. Are you emailing women under 31 or just waiting for women to message you?. The women I have spoken to are 90% available for PFP if you ask them. It is almost shocking. And the ones that are not interested in PFP have been nice and will keep talking to you (if you want to continue with them). My objective has been to get them off the cupid website right away. Cupid can ban you for being honest and direct, but they can't see your whatsapp conversations. My advice is to send emails that lead to a number request, and get down to serious business over whatsapp. And send lots of message to the girls you like. I am sure my opinion may sway when I get there next month.

I have been reading this forum and doing online research every night, trying to get a better understanding for what I am in for when I get to Medellin for 10 days in March. I am taking FaceTime Spanish lessons twice a week until I leave which is on top of a very basic foundation (2 years in high school and 1 in college. I'm 40 so it's been a while). My AirBnB is set, and it will be great based on my discussion with the owner and some reviews here. I feel like 10 days is plenty of time to have fun with the chica activities, see the sites, and maybe even make a real friend or two. So, generally speaking and thankful to a lot of the guidance I have received here, I think I am setting myself up for a good time.

I would like to get a little more insight as to how I should prepare for and approach traveling and staying alone in Medellin. Here are a few questions I have:

1. I am not a big guy. Like 5'9 160. I'm toned, fit, and athletic but I am not going to intimidate anyone. Do you think it would be unwise of me to go to bars / clubs in El Pablado or Laurales by myself at night? I know there is no certainty to anything being safe or dangerous but if I am careful, not getting wasted, am I going to be ok going out for a drink or dancing?

2. I think I have decent radar for people that are trying to pull some bull shit. Like a woman that is faking her attraction of me in order to take advantage of me. In other words, I am not going to buy bottles for a crew of blazing hot chicks that I know wouldn't otherwise giving me the time of day. My question is, do you guys have experiences when a girl has been totally normal (almost conservative) and then totally turned on you into one of the crazies?

3. How safe / acceptable is it to pick up chicas on the street in El Pablabo on the weekend? Provided they pass the sniff test for me (granted, again nothing is guaranteed), if I start walking with one of these broads and we get into a taxi / uber am I going to get shaken down by a police officer just for being with her?

4. Anyone ever been to club MUTE in Itagui? I'm into techno / house music and the place looks wicked. But I haven't seen much info on Itagui and there are always shady people in clubs like this. I am totally comfortable with them here in the states but wondering if it's not a smart move going by myself to that area and that scene in Colombia.

Thanks again fellas!

[QUOTE=Fmc858;2272304]

I would like to get a little more insight as to how I should prepare for and approach traveling and staying alone in Medellin. [/QUOTE]So your game plan is to pickup streetwalkers or to just go to dance clubs and see if you can score with semi and non-pros?

[QUOTE=Talon;2272325]So your game plan is to just go to dance clubs and see if you can pick up semi and non-pros?[/QUOTE]Not entirely. Like I said, I think I can do quite a bit while I am there. I plan to check out all options that are tossed around here. FB, CC, SA, casas, online websites. Whatever. But my question does pertain to just heading out to see where the night takes me.

Thank you Talon.

If you guys are in Medellin on Jan 17th 2019, please join us for this dancing, mixing and social.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/events/288140928724418/[/URL]

Free event and Cash bar at Paris Bar.

[QUOTE=Fmc858;2272304]

1. I am not a big guy. Like 5'9 160. I'm toned, fit, and athletic but I am not going to intimidate anyone. Do you think it would be unwise of me to go to bars / clubs in El Pablado or Laurales by myself at night? I know there is no certainty to anything being safe or dangerous but if I am careful, not getting wasted, am I going to be ok going out for a drink or dancing?

2. I think I have decent radar for people that are trying to pull some bull shit. Like a woman that is faking her attraction of me in order to take advantage of me. In other words, I am not going to buy bottles for a crew of blazing hot chicks that I know wouldn't otherwise giving me the time of day. My question is, do you guys have experiences when a girl has been totally normal (almost conservative) and then totally turned on you into one of the crazies?

3. How safe / acceptable is it to pick up chicas on the street in El Pablabo on the weekend? Provided they pass the sniff test for me (granted, again nothing is guaranteed), if I start walking with one of these broads and we get into a taxi / uber am I going to get shaken down by a police officer just for being with her?

4. Anyone ever been to club MUTE in Itagui? I'm into techno / house music and the place looks wicked. But I haven't seen much info on Itagui and there are always shady people in clubs like this. I am totally comfortable with them here in the states but wondering if it's not a smart move going by myself to that area and that scene in Colombia.

[/QUOTE]1) You'll be fine going to clubs and bars in Poblado or Laureles by yourself at night. Just watch your drink. But I think it would be better to invite a chick to go out with you. You can always trade up.

2) Never had one go crazy on me but I did have to forcibly remove one from my apartment because she refused to leave.

You can save yourself a lot of trouble by only bringing one chick back to your place at anytime. Every single time I have had an unpleasant experience with a chick I picked up. It was because there was more than one in my apartment. Never again. If I can't separate her from her friends she isn't coming over no matter how hot she is.

3) Little chance of the police bothering you for picking up street walkers in Lleras but why bother unless your other plans fell though. Lleras street walkers are some pretty low hanging fruit. Much better things to do. Every now and then you'll see a nice one but very rarely.

4) I have never been to MUTE but I would find a chick or two than liked techno and go with them. When you take chicks out and you are buying the drinks You do what you want. So if you see another hot chick just go for it. Unless you haven't fucked the chicks you are with and didn't pay. You can do what you want.

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2271898]I think I recognize Caro from the picture. I had a good time with her three years ago. I still have her Whatsapp number. I met her through a taxi driver. Sorry it did not work for you but then you got a far better price. Take care.[/QUOTE]Church. All good. Funny that she is using the same photo for 3 years. I am not surprised.

Aren't they all named Caro? Jajajajaaja.

[QUOTE=Fmc858;2272304]...3. How safe / acceptable is it to pick up chicas on the street in El Pablabo on the weekend? Provided they pass the sniff test for me (granted, again nothing is guaranteed), if I start walking with one of these broads and we get into a taxi / uber am I going to get shaken down by a police officer just for being with her? ...[/QUOTE]If she is 18 or over, and not doing drugs, the police will most likely not bother you. I have never had an unpleasant experience with the police in Medellin, and I have been there more than 30 times in the past eight years. I have seen some attractive women around Parque Lleras. Most of the time, I have seen them on the street between the park and Hooters.

[QUOTE=StripperMan;2272249]Is anyone going thru the airport soon?

For my next trip to Medellin, I would love to unload about 15,000 Mexican pesos I have. I want to exchange them in Medellin for Colombian pesos. I imagine though that you get a terrible exchange rate just like when you exchange dollars for COP.

Can anyone report on MX peso to COP rates?[/QUOTE]Many years ago I used to travel to South America quite frequently on business. I was always hosed exchanging one countries currency for another. You will get a far worse rate exchanging MNP for COP than the equivalent of exchanging USD for COP.

Lots depends on the country you are currently in. For example, if you're in the US and [B]never plan to go to Mexico ever again[/B], exchange the MNP for USD. Yes, you'll take a hit but I don't think it will be worse than trying to exchange MNP to COP in Colombia. If you do plan to visit Mexico again, just save your MNP (it is worth about $800 USD) for your next trip.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2272412]Church. All good. Funny that she is using the same photo for 3 years. I am not surprised.

Aren't they all named Caro? Jajajajaaja.[/QUOTE]But she doesn't advertise as a party girl so I will not post the link. The weird part of it is that I contacted her in August asking her if she still dated. She said "yes'. I never managed to contact her. I was trying out Tinder and Vani's girls. Then sometime in September she was posting pictures about being engaged and had even changed her last name. Now, three months later, there is no mention of the guy and she is back to her original name. These chicas live unstable lives.

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2272525]Then sometime in September she was posting pictures about being engaged and had even changed her last name. Now, three months later, there is no mention of the guy and she is back to her original name. These chicas live unstable lives.[/QUOTE]That is women in general. Back when I used to be in chat rooms and on shit like facebook, women would assume I had a girlfriend from certain pictures I would have up. The shit was always funny to me, because if I did have someone I was serious about, then you would have no idea who that person was from my social media. I would never add or put someone's picture up that I was seriously involved with.

First I want to start out with ahhh, I love this place. Great climate, Great Food, and Great Chicas! I spent my first 3 night at the Mansion which was nice, it was a little slower than usual because they had just opened again from being shut down. The Mansion was a great place to get your bearings and a great place to your mongering education. Lots of guys as I'm sure as here too have been mongering all over the world. The M is nice because everything is self contained, the chicas are there and you can order food to be delivered there. Yes, some guys visit Medellin and never leave the M. This however is not my style as I like to be out with the local population too and do some touristy stuff. The guys will hang out by the pool in the day and swap stories on their adventures and there will be some fun people to hang out with. During this time different chicas will be coming in and hanging out too. The girls will be anywhere from 5-9's and really do have it in their best interest to please you because it's a privilege for them to be allowed in. You can pull from the local talent and can bring them in to the M but I like to support the ones that are already there.

It's not uncommon for guys to bring in food and feed 4-6 chicas and give them drinks, kind of like a fun party. I gathered quite a few phone numbers while I was there just in case I wanted to have them over to my apartment later on in my trip. While you pay a little more for the Chicas this way you will be in a safe controlled environment which would be nice for the less traveled. I had quite a few totally knock out chicas that I got to play with there.

Breakfast at the M is served on a nice patio and you can let the cook know what you would like to have cooked. They have eggs, omelets, fresh fruit, fresh orange juice, toast and pretty good coffee. I would stay away from their sausage which quite a few restaurants in South America serve up the tradition US hot dog.

Note, I am not a paid member, I tried to join but my credit card company does not feel that it is appropriate for me to join LOL.

This is my first leg report and I may be adding to it.

I will be in Medellin from 1/15 - 1/20. I will be staying in Park Llares.

I usually in Monger in Europe and Mexico (just because it is closer to home). This is my first time in South America.

I will probably squeeze a trip to Bogota in there, if possible.

Budget is not a problem, but I like my chicas. Young, clean and gorgeous.

From reading here, these seem to be the places of interest:

- La Isla strip club.

- Loutron: is this a strip club, massage or casa?

- Casa New Life.

- Fase II.

- Energy.

Please let me know your recommendations.

About the Mansion - do you have to stay at the mansion to sample the chicas there ? Can you visit the Mansion during day time if you are staying elsewhere.

I do not have any FB or Cupid or Tinder or prepagos contacts.

If you are comfortable, could you share some of your contacts through private message here.

I will return the favor with intel / contacts in Barcelona, Paris, Berlin and Tijuana.

Thanks.

I was under the impression that you had to be staying at the Mansion to go party there.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2271452]Laureles is fine at night, unless you're falling down drunk. But, no place is safe when you're that drunk.

Why deal with traffic going from Laureles to Poblado? Depending on your walking pace, San Peter Suites is 5 to 10 minutes away from the Estadio metro station. Take the metro to San Antonio station, switch trains to Poblado station and you're there in 15 minutes. From there grab a taxi to the Mansion, or better yet to Centro Comercial La Strada, where you can meet your friends and have an excellent breakfast at Al Alma Cafe. It's just a short walk down hill from the Mansion.[/QUOTE]

I pulled a girl from PhotoPregados. There are some independents there but there are also agency ones where you are probably What'sApping some dude with a lot of Chicas. One way to find out is put her phone number into the search box. If a lot of different Chicas come up they are not independent.

[QUOTE=GMan076;2270696]Yeah, that's definitely a problem. The other is having her come back to your place before you've had a chance to gauge whether she's stable as you've mentioned. One workaround I'm contemplating is having the girl meet me at some public spot for a bite or drink. Perhaps I could offer her some nominal amount as a guarantee just for showing up, then make my decision whether to continue or not. A couple of the Photoprepagos girls I've contacted in preparation for my upcoming trip have offered additional uncensored pics, allowing me to check out their face. To me, this is a good sign (although by no means a guarantee) that she is as advertised. The ads to really watch out for are the ones that look over produced. There's a high risk that it's a completely different girl in those circumstances; that the photo was simply ripped off from somewhere else on the net. Personally, I just don't like the idea of the whole casa thing. I know it's cheap and you get to see her first, but the whole process and mentality of it just doesn't fit my taste. Anyway, we'll see. I'll probably make some mistakes along the way, but it's all good. If I find a good one, I'll likely keep her around. I don't need to be banging tons of girls every day (not that there's anything wrong with that). I did that in my 20's-30's. 40's you slow down a bit. LOL.[/QUOTE]

You are doing Cupid all wrong then. I only search for 18-30 yr olds. I message the ones I like and go from there. I get their WhatsApp and chat. I go ahead and let them know I want to see them for sex. If all agreed, we negotiate and set everything up. I have always had great success, same with Fb. BTW 30 days is plenty of time to set up all the chicas you want.

[QUOTE=HappyShiva;2272129]I did not find any luck with FB girls so I decided to open an account on colombian cupid. After paying $59.99 for 3 months, I received tons of responses from women between 31 and 46 years of age. Most of them are in the range of 4 and have a job. All of them gave me their whattsapp number, so I can communicate with them on phone and see them on camera. The problem is that most of them stays offline due to the fact that they do not have internet services at home and use the phone as internet. Also during the day time they are working and cannot use their phone at work. We vaguely chat during the night or see on cam. Most of them will expose themselves on camera and do a video sex act or mastrubate that shows their willingness for sex. Only 2 of them have so far asked for help with paying their bills and sending the money by western union and I deleted them. None of them speak any english and speak spanish very rapidly. I can understand the spanish, but loose the track when they speak very fast. I use the translator for communication. The problem is most of these women are looking for serious relationship and not just sexual. Most of these women are humble, live in normal house and have grown up children. Most of them do not drink alcohol or if they drink will be social.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monger234;2272957]Loutron: is this a strip club, massage or casa?[/QUOTE]It does not take much time or cost much to try all of them, except I will skip Loutron. It is a massage place.

I think you will like La Isla. I think it is so much better than Hong Kong Club, and cheaper.

[QUOTE=Bdb013;2272988]You are doing Cupid all wrong then. I only search for 18-30 yr olds. I message the ones I like and go from there. I get their WhatsApp and chat. I go ahead and let them know I want to see them for sex. If all agreed, we negotiate and set everything up. I have always had great success, same with Fb. BTW 30 days is plenty of time to set up all the chicas you want.[/QUOTE]If you want to dispense with the tedious courting (I can do that back home), look for the Chicas interested in men 18 to 70 or whatever the max age is. Those girls mostly don't care about your age, just your money.

Hey guys,

Off to Medellin in a few weeks and have started looking for chicas on SA. Talk about being a kid in a candy store!

My problem is how to gauge whether she is up for it without coming across too direct? I've been getting lots of WhatsApp's and chatting for a while. Arranging to meet when I'm there but no talk of giving her money for sex. I don't really want to waste time meeting for a drink and she's just interested in a monthly allowance for letting her accompanying me on a holiday once in a while or some shit like that! The one time I did mention having some fun at my apartment she took offend & told me just to get an escort!

Would really appreciate any advice, thanks!

That is correct! You can meet some friends (not ladies) there and then go off to party with them, same goes with La cueva which is their club / bar not allowed in after certain time of the night and if they at all you have to pay a cover. I forget what it was.

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2272984]I was under the impression that you had to be staying at the Mansion to go party there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mongo1;2272984]I was under the impression that you had to be staying at the Mansion to go party there.[/QUOTE]That depends. If his friends are staying at the Mansion, he may just want to meet them in the area, to start the day exploring. However, sometimes, depending upon the phase of the moon, or some other unknown reason, they will let outside guests in, for a 50 k door fee. They don't offer it to everyone and whether or not they let you in has nothing to do with if you know people who are staying there. Other times, only guests are allowed in and they aren't allowed to bring in other mongers.

[QUOTE=WindAngel;2273005]I think you will like La Isla. I think it is so much better than Hong Kong Club, and cheaper.[/QUOTE]Drinks are little cheaper than Hong Kong. Overall the club is very nice and decent and several types of girls including some stunners, But girls will cost you $100+.

[QUOTE=Bdb013;2272988]You are doing Cupid all wrong then. I only search for 18-30 yr olds. I message the ones I like and go from there. I get their WhatsApp and chat. I go ahead and let them know I want to see them for sex. If all agreed, we negotiate and set everything up. I have always had great success, same with Fb. BTW 30 days is plenty of time to set up all the chicas you want.[/QUOTE]Thanks for clarifying. I am little hesitant to bluntly ask them sex for money. I still have few months left on cupid, so I will search accordingly.

[QUOTE=HappyShiva;2272129]I did not find any luck with FB girls so I decided to open an account on colombian cupid. After paying $59.99 for 3 months, I received tons of responses from women between 31 and 46 years of age. Most of them are in the range of 4 and have a job. All of them gave me their whattsapp number, so I can communicate with them on phone and see them on camera. The problem is that most of them stays offline due to the fact that they do not have internet services at home and use the phone as internet. Also during the day time they are working and cannot use their phone at work. We vaguely chat during the night or see on cam. Most of them will expose themselves on camera and do a video sex act or mastrubate that shows their willingness for sex. Only 2 of them have so far asked for help with paying their bills and sending the money by western union and I deleted them. None of them speak any english and speak spanish very rapidly. I can understand the spanish, but loose the track when they speak very fast. I use the translator for communication. The problem is most of these women are looking for serious relationship and not just sexual. Most of these women are humble, live in normal house and have grown up children. Most of them do not drink alcohol or if they drink will be social.[/QUOTE]I think you should be the one to initiate contact with those chicas in whom you're interested in and not the other way around, unless you like whoever reaches out to you. Generally the posted pics are accurate in CC. I pick 18-30 yo and write them some kind of pick up line or a comment about their tattoo or looks. The goal is to get the convo started on CC and then quickly take it to WhatsApp by getting their number. From there I immediately ask for for photos and if they send you risk pics you'll know money is a great motivator. I have had 80% success with this approach. Don't start too early as the girls lose interest quick. 3-4 weeks is plenty to set up your soire.

[QUOTE=Neilk;2273198]Hey guys,

Off to Medellin in a few weeks and have started looking for chicas on SA. Talk about being a kid in a candy store!

My problem is how to gauge whether she is up for it without coming across too direct? I've been getting lots of WhatsApp's and chatting for a while. Arranging to meet when I'm there but no talk of giving her money for sex. I don't really want to waste time meeting for a drink and she's just interested in a monthly allowance for letting her accompanying me on a holiday once in a while or some shit like that! The one time I did mention having some fun at my apartment she took offend & told me just to get an escort!

Would really appreciate any advice, thanks![/QUOTE]SA is like tempering, you have to add a little before you can mix and get everything to the same temperature.

Best thing to do is ask them. "Dime tú qué estás buscando" (what are you searching for) and generally they will say something like "economic support".

Then you can be like we will hang out etc. Then open them up a little more. You can say its your first time ont his etc. And then hit them with "so what do you think you would want for your company" todo lanoche.

VERY rarely will SA girls ever throw out a price. THey always ask you to go first. Say whatever your # is. Usually I start low like 300 or todo la noche and say you will cover uber etc. THey will counter and you can get them for 400-700 todo la noche. YOu just have to be slick and explain you want chemistry and never really mention the words "prepago".

[QUOTE=BetaFin;2273309]Drinks are little cheaper than Hong Kong. Overall the club is very nice and decent and several types of girls including some stunners, But girls will cost you $100+.[/QUOTE]I think HK girls are asking $100 for 30 minutes now, and you have to pay for the room. It is also harder to get GFE at HK. If you stay the same amount of time at HK and La Isla, I am pretty sure you will end up buying more drinks at HK simply because they will constantly hustle you for drinks.

[QUOTE=Neilk;2273198]Hey guys,

Would really appreciate any advice, thanks![/QUOTE]Stick with photoprepagos, casas, gustos or strip clubs. SA chicas are delusional and more expensive.

[QUOTE=Neilk;2273198]Hey guys,

Off to Medellin in a few weeks and have started looking for chicas on SA. Talk about being a kid in a candy store!

My problem is how to gauge whether she is up for it without coming across too direct? I've been getting lots of WhatsApp's and chatting for a while. Arranging to meet when I'm there but no talk of giving her money for sex. I don't really want to waste time meeting for a drink and she's just interested in a monthly allowance for letting her accompanying me on a holiday once in a while or some shit like that! The one time I did mention having some fun at my apartment she took offend & told me just to get an escort!

Would really appreciate any advice, thanks![/QUOTE]If you're just looking for someone to come over and spend a few hours busting your nut, why worry about scaring off the ones who aren't going to do that?

Which is going to be worse, sitting and talking for 3 hours with someone who isn't putting out until you've taken her shopping, to dinner and dancing, or offending a girl who's just a waste of your time?

Just tell them what you're looking for.

Is it possible to invite the chicas at La Isla, Loutron, new life and energy back to your place.

I assume the sessions would be more relaxed and enjoyable at your place.

Is the Energy living building still girl friendly? The last report I saw on it was in August and just checking to see if anything has changed since.

[QUOTE=PepolesBuddy;2273435]Stick with photoprepagos, casas, gustos or strip clubs. SA chicas are delusional and more expensive.[/QUOTE]Speaking of delusional. I met a girl at Fase Dos, took her wpp, hit her up the next day. She told me 400 mil, I told her I was thinking 200 because it's what I would have paid at Fase and she gets to keep all money. She asked me if I am poor (tu eres pobre?) and said that men who pay 200 are filthy (las que cobran 200 son cochinas :pukeemoji:). She was close being that I was in Laureles and she in Robledo so it was easy money really.

I knew she would regret when Christmas rolled around so I hit her up just before and she really wanted to come. I told her I would try to make time but never did. If there is such a thing as a 400 mil girl she was not one of them so I don't know what she was thinking.

[QUOTE=Monger234;2273595]Is it possible to invite the chicas at La Isla, Loutron, new life and energy back to your place.

I assume the sessions would be more relaxed and enjoyable at your place.[/QUOTE]Yes you can invite them and they will come. But they usually ask for more money.

[QUOTE=Monger234;2273595]Is it possible to invite the chicas at La Isla, Loutron, new life and energy back to your place.

I assume the sessions would be more relaxed and enjoyable at your place.[/QUOTE]What's possible isn't necessarily what's advisable.

If you instead want to take them to your room, there will be a house fee to pay, on top of whatever the normal charge is. And you're now dealing with an unknown girl.

The better strategy is to session with the girl at the location. If you click, if she performs up to your standards, then get her WhatsApp number and set up a time when she isn't working. You avoid the house fee and you know what you're getting.

Yeah! But only if you pay the out fee around triple the fee to the house and then the chica price to the girl on top. It doesn't guarantee that she will stay longer than 1 HR. Don't recommend it

[QUOTE=Monger234;2273595]Is it possible to invite the chicas at La Isla, Loutron, new life and energy back to your place.

I assume the sessions would be more relaxed and enjoyable at your place.[/QUOTE].

For what it is worth, you can have most girls for 200 k. I have had girls stay with me for hours at that price and I feel guilty if I don't tip them 50 k and also pay for the cabs.

I have had one girl on FB that told me business was slow and came over for a few hours and asked for 150 k. I wound up giving her 200 k because her performance was excellent.

In all cases, I recieve constant whatsapp messages wanting to see me again. Don't overpay!

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2273634]Speaking of delusional. I met a girl at Fase Dos, took her wpp, hit her up the next day. She told me 400 mil, I told her I was thinking 200 because it's what I would have paid at Fase and she gets to keep all money. She asked me if I am poor (tu eres pobre?) and said that men who pay 200 are filthy (las que cobran 200 son cochinas :pukeemoji:). She was close being that I was in Laureles and she in Robledo so it was easy money really.

I knew she would regret when Christmas rolled around so I hit her up just before and she really wanted to come. I told her I would try to make time but never did. If there is such a thing as a 400 mil girl she was not one of them so I don't know what she was thinking.[/QUOTE]

It appears like Medellin and other SA destinations are becoming more lucrative for US Mongers as the flight from NYC is only 5 to 6 hours and girls pricing is very affordable. Other Monger destinations such as EU FKK clubs are becoming very expensive, plus hotel and meals. My suggestion is to make a group of us mongers and plan a trip to Medellin in March or April. We can rent an apartment or a house for a week and have fun not only with chicas but can also do site exploration. It is very boring to be alone at any foreign destination. Please share your thoughts. We can make a Whattsapp group and message each other.

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2273634]She asked me if I am poor (tu eres pobre?) and said that men who pay 200 are filthy (las que cobran 200 son cochinas :pukeemoji:).[/QUOTE]You mean WOMEN that CHARGE 200 are nasty? Isn't that the same as many people say on this board? If you are not paying this much money then the girl you have is inferior, ugly, diseased, etc?

But that is classic women shit. Try to guilt you or shame you into doing their bidding by calling you cheap and stuff. My favorite thing to say to this is bih well you pay for it. How are you going to shame me into paying for some shit that you can't even afford? But I guess this does a job on many men's egos and works more often than not.

[QUOTE=Neilk;2273198]Hey guys,

Off to Medellin in a few weeks and have started looking for chicas on SA. Talk about being a kid in a candy store!

My problem is how to gauge whether she is up for it without coming across too direct? I've been getting lots of WhatsApp's and chatting for a while. Arranging to meet when I'm there but no talk of giving her money for sex. I don't really want to waste time meeting for a drink and she's just interested in a monthly allowance for letting her accompanying me on a holiday once in a while or some shit like that! The one time I did mention having some fun at my apartment she took offend & told me just to get an escort!

Would really appreciate any advice, thanks![/QUOTE]The ideal situation is to get them over to your place without discussing money and then paying them what you think they are worth after having sex with them. Most won't let it go that far without stating a price. But after you have met them in person you will be much more likely to know what you are willing to pay and she will know what she is willing to accept.

[QUOTE=JGomez90;2273617]Is the Energy living building still girl friendly? The last report I saw on it was in August and just checking to see if anything has changed since.[/QUOTE]Yes. May depend on the apto, but from my experience I have never had the slightest problem there.

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2273634]Speaking of delusional. I met a girl at Fase Dos, took her wpp, hit her up the next day. She told me 400 mil, I told her I was thinking 200 because it's what I would have paid at Fase and she gets to keep all money. She asked me if I am poor (tu eres pobre?) and said that men who pay 200 are filthy (las que cobran 200 son cochinas). She was close being that I was in Laureles and she in Robledo so it was easy money really.

I knew she would regret when Christmas rolled around so I hit her up just before and she really wanted to come. I told her I would try to make time but never did. If there is such a thing as a 400 mil girl she was not one of them so I don't know what she was thinking.[/QUOTE]Kind of the standard rate at Fase2, regardless of quality for a few hours of daytime action or TLN at your place, regardless of quality (unless you have rapport). I agree, doesn't always make sense, given how attractive or unattractive she might be or how close she is to your place, but it is all about the plata, man.

Welcome to Medellin. If you are hanging in places like Isla, Fase, or San Diego Show, you are a walking wallet. Hit up el centro for relative quality for 1/2 to 1/4 the price.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2274433]The ideal situation is to get them over to your place without discussing money and then paying them what you think they are worth after having sex with them. Most won't let it go that far without stating a price. But after you have met them in person you will be much more likely to know what you are willing to pay and she will know what she is willing to accept.[/QUOTE]THIS also remember you can negoitate and walk away from the deal. They are hoping you are sooo horny to fuck them you will accept a crazy price of 1 Mil para la noche or something, Don't let that happene and understand this city has sooo much surplus of hot girls that are willing to take less. It is a buyers market and you got this.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2274433]The ideal situation is to get them over to your place without discussing money and then paying them what you think they are worth after having sex with them. Most won't let it go that far without stating a price. But after you have met them in person you will be much more likely to know what you are willing to pay and she will know what she is willing to accept.[/QUOTE]And that's the moment when things went horribly wrong.

If you know you're paying her for sex and she knows you're paying her for sex, it's best if she knows, you know you're paying her for sex and that you know what the going rate is.

Because, there are a few that have been told that SA means they get paid at least 500 k.

If you're looking on SA, you better be clear up front about what you are looking for and what you are paying.

You usually give good advice, but this isn't your best effort.

Hi friends,

Can some help me with hotels. Its my first trip in Colombia.

Have zero Spanish knowledge. But have used goog. Translate in Panama.

Which is the best location to stay that does not charge chica fees, planning to get chicas overnight. Would prefer rooms with jacuzzi. Should I stay in downtown or el Poblado area?

Thank you in advance.

Any good safe hotels in downtown that don't charge chica fees. Planing for next weekend.

[QUOTE=Khaz5;2274513]Hi friends,

Can some help me with hotels. Its my first trip in Colombia.

Have zero Spanish knowledge. But have used goog. Translate in Panama.

Which is the best location to stay that does not charge chica fees, planning to get chicas overnight. Would prefer rooms with jacuzzi. Should I stay in downtown or el Poblado area?

Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]As in you'll be in Colombia next week or you'll start planning your holiday then? I really hope it's the latter otherwise it won't be that easy. I suggest you give this thread a good read and then come back with more specific questions, my friend. Most of the above have already been discussed at length.

I'll try to help you with my 2 cents though:

Not sure what you mean by downtown. This is not the States and such a concept doesn't really exist in SA. If you mean El Centro then stay clear. Otherwise anywhere in Poblado will be fine. A few of the guys here stay in Laureles which is a nice area for nightlife. Full disclosure I've never personally stayed there myself but JBee62 (who is by far one of the most experienced and knowledgeable guys here) recommends it which is honestly more than enough for me.

Look forward to your contribution.

If its your first time to Colombia I strongly recommend to stay at the mansion for the first few days. To get your bearings. Downtown is not safe at night and sometimes even during the day. Unless you are planning to get strip club girls or escorts you will have a hard time finding girls to come to your place that will be worth your while. FB is the best bang for your buck both in $ and quality of service. Read a few reports in here and will give you an idea for girls. Just my 2 cents.

[QUOTE=Khaz5;2274513]Hi friends,

Can some help me with hotels. Its my first trip in Colombia.

Have zero Spanish knowledge. But have used goog. Translate in Panama.

Which is the best location to stay that does not charge chica fees, planning to get chicas overnight. Would prefer rooms with jacuzzi. Should I stay in downtown or el Poblado area?

Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE].

Stick with Poblado. Use airbnb and similar services or search the forum for gringo landlords in Poblado, there are plenty. Expect to pay girls 250-300 K or so to overnight with you there. A girl or two per day will be accepted by most landlords if you bring them in discreetly and if you don't make a nuisance of yourself while in the rental. Enjoy and let us know how you make out.

[QUOTE=Khaz5;2274513]Hi friends,

Can some help me with hotels. Its my first trip in Colombia.

Have zero Spanish knowledge. But have used goog. Translate in Panama.

Which is the best location to stay that does not charge chica fees, planning to get chicas overnight. Would prefer rooms with jacuzzi. Should I stay in downtown or el Poblado area?

Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]

Your advice is excellent. In fact, in my opinion, it is excellent advice in general in addition to seeking arrangement. It holds true all the way down to Veracruz gamines. Make an agreement up front and re-confirm before moving to the next step because it greatly reduces the potential for conflict, games, scams, or simple honest disagreements. That is the stuff of the home front dating scene. Why travel and spend money on hotels when you can deal with that noise at home?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2274488]And that's the moment when things went horribly wrong.

If you know you're paying her for sex and she knows you're paying her for sex, it's best if she knows, you know you're paying her for sex and that you know what the going rate is.

Because, there are a few that have been told that SA means they get paid at least 500 k.

If you're looking on SA, you better be clear up front about what you are looking for and what you are paying.

You usually give good advice, but this isn't your best effort.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zhagolo52;2274663]If its your first time to Colombia I strongly recommend to stay at the mansion for the first few days. To get your bearings. Downtown is not safe at night and sometimes even during the day. Unless you are planning to get strip club girls or escorts you will have a hard time finding girls to come to your place that will be worth your while. FB is the best bang for your buck both in $ and quality of service. Read a few reports in here and will give you an idea for girls. Just my 2 cents..[/QUOTE]Carrera 43 # 53 - 40, La Candelaria, Medellíand.

If I am not wrong that the Mansion hotel every one talk about on this forum right?

This hotel is full for next weekend.

Guys help pleas.

I have RTFF and could not find a map similar to Routards Bogota map.

Can someone point me in the right direction?

Thanks,

Druster.

I would go with Laureles area on my 1st trip. There is plenty of action around. I much prefer it to Poblado. As far as hotels I don't use them, I prefer Airbnb. Also there are several love motels in laureles that are great to use and cheap. I prefer to bring girls there instead of my apartment.

[QUOTE=Khaz5;2274648]Any good safe hotels in downtown that don't charge chica fees. Planing for next weekend.[/QUOTE].

Here's a bit of advice that I figured I'd share with working girl mongering SOBs just like me! .

Facebook.

Too often I see new mongers asking how to find these skeeters on Facebook. Where to look for them. What to say to them to determine if they are real. How yo get / give a price. Etc etc. I have been to Medellin multiple times and tried all the methods. Onsight hunting. S. A. , Col Cup. Photoprep. Etc etc. In this post I'm going to focus solely on Facebook because it is the absolute easiest way to pipeline. This may not work for everyone unless you are as gorgeous as I am hahaha. Please if you don't agree with my methods just move along. No need to spark 3 pages of arguments over 1 post hahahha.

Why facebook:

Its fricking free! And the same women on all those apps are usually on Facebook. They normally have two accounts. One for us mongerers and one for friends and family.

Preping to find the skeezers:

You can not be shy here. This is going to require some mud digging. But once you start it is worth it. These are my methods:

Create an account. Make your current city Medellin. Make your from city a city far away from where you live. Create your profile becoming whoever you want to be. Just whatever you do don't use your real profile. These chicks might try to extort you later! Penis pics to your wife or girlfriends could really ruin chances of future trips. Post only a few pictures of yourself. You don't have to build a whole profile! Just enough to let the girl see who you are with minimum details. Ok now you have a profile and a few pictures. The mud slinging begins! The reason you set your current city to Medellin is because Facebook has an algorithm that could stop you from friend requesting these dirty skeezers because "you don't know them in reality". You'll get this message from time to time when friend requesting.

Skeezer Hunting:

OK time to get dirty. Do you know how freaking long it will take to find these women. One woman at a time. Through all the millions of profiles in Medellin. Why do the work when others can. When I say others I mean other scumbags like us that are doing this exact same thing. See the goldmine here. The men are your key to the chicas. Remember these hootchies are trying to be discreet and use fake names often. Their real profile has all their friends. Yes you will come across a few girls with her ball gagging partner in crime on her friends list but usually it's best to not waste your time. Girls are so vain here they won't tag their friends in fear of you saying screw her, what's up with her! At least that's what I've been told by a few Facebook dime skeezer pants. So. Go on face book and click the 3 lines in the top right hand corner. A list will display. Scroll that list, you might have to click "more" to see the rest of the list. Click "discovery" boom you can filter by City. Scroll that stupid list for the best abs and biceps on the list! Trust me. Click his page. Some will be private some will not. Click his profile picture. 90% of his 300 likes on his profile pictures will be thirsty skeezers in Medellin awaiting his attention. Friend request every single one of them as you scroll the list! That 300 potential hot friends in Medellin right there. Continue on to see if his friends are private. If so, scroll that too click add add add add add. For the really hot ones have a message already copied and ready to paste into their DMs. Don't waste time writing customized messages. Something catchy and not too catch all " will open the door for a possible response! Go back out to the Medellin list and find more abs and handsome men like me! Hahah. Check his friends list and picture likes.

Next look up all the popular clubs in Medellin. Look at their Facebook pages also. Look at who likes the club and the pictures and comments. Goldmine for girls that get drunk and party where you'll probably be. Add add add add add these skeezers too!

Next do a search for common Hispanic women names in Medellin like Alejandra or Maria or Luna whatever the f you can think of. Add add add.

Your friends list will grow in a matter of days!! Keep sending messages. Lots will bite. Lots will ignore you. This is identical to fishing. Be patient.

Skeezer vs regular girl:

Believe it or not competition is so high for women in Medellin. They have to work way harder in order to not disappear into the sea of beautiful women. With that being said. A dirty working girl mouth skeezer LOL will stand out like a sore thumb!! But the regular girls can easily put off a water down vibe of the tramp nuggets. This is not 100% but will help you separate the two. OK. Skeezers profile picture will have common traits. A picture of them in an extremely seductive position on a bed or hot tub. A picture where the majority of their body is exposed with their face looking away or a sticker blocking their face. A picture or cartoon of some intimate sexual photo. Those are automatic skeezer flags. Next step down which is not guaranteed but still should set off your mongering radar is the girl who looks beautiful in tight hot club clothes. Most of her pictures are at bars and clubs with other skeezers in clothes just like her on their hoe escapades. Now she could just be a regular sexy club goer so don't sign off yet. Dig through her pictures. And you will find that one picture in her bra and panties that you knowwwww is clear bait for guys like us. This can be tricky but you won't know until you and her converse. Just keep the flag up. If she accepts your friend request it will open the rest of her pictures up and you will see lots more and be able to determine. Ok now you're friends list is adding every day. As your list gets longer. **** rhinos are getting more comfortable adding you as you don't appear to be a fake account from one of their family members in a different city saying in on them.

Ok so you have friends now. You're adding their friends too now. You have an active moving face book. Time to learn how to break the ice! This is for the girl that has an iffy profile that could be a penile mongoose yet possibly not. You don't want to risk immediate bluntness and miss out on some free putang. You have already messaged every single one something like this: "Hey how are you! I just saw your pictures when scrolling Facebook and all I can say is Wow!! I'll be in Medellin on Feb 13 to party and relax! Will you be there?! ". That leaves a window for her to say "FU" or reply "Si bb! If she replies with anything at all. She's on the hook!! She's either an escort or found you genuinely attractive. Or both. OK so now that the Booker fish is biting how do you get her price if she has one? Talk to her like you would a normal woman at home that you want to slam your thighs against for 17 mins. Give her a chance to put it out there on her own. She will say "I want to meet you but you will have to pay me" or due to the economy I must work and receive money if I meet you blah blah. There you go! Just agree and let the negotiations begin. If you find she is not mentioning it. 2 things. Maybe she is not a working girl or. She's waiting for the right moment to ask if you don't. To get the answer I'm looking for. I simply say "where do you work" . Haha boom the door is kicked open. She will say I do nails, hair, nursing. Ball draining. Etc etc. OK not ball draining but that usually opens the door as they consider escorting work. Hence the name working girl. If she doesn't mention prostituting give her more time. We are letting her off the hook yet. Attempt two after more conversation pretending you have any interest in her job. Act interested in the cost of living. There assume it's expensive to live there. Ask her about how hard it is to make her Bill's and pay for her family expenses. She will see that as a second opportunity to say that she only escorts to pay for these things while times are hard. Attempt 3. You hint at it. " So if we meet up when I arrive, what are your expectations of me? I'm just trying to budget out my night? Are we going out or staying in at my place?? Boom she has no choice but to answer now. You've got her reeled in by the boat now! Her answer will give you a good idea of what type of where chicken you have on your line. Her response will tell you all you need to know! Time to see what she weighs! If at that point she still hasn't given you the skinny on her National Geowhorism then a. You have to buck up and say "do you charge for company" or cross your fingers you have a real regular girl. Chances are very slim (but possible) she will come see you without negotiating a price first!

This is just one method of many. It will get you accepted, connected, unfriended and blocked depending on how you use it. This is just my proven method as I now have over 2000 Medellin Facebook friends and only one of them are male. (We have 400 females in common LOL) I even had a chick in Gustos walk up to me and say is this you?? And showed me my profile picture while standing with a friend. His eyes got huge. I messaged her on my flight there that morning not expecting to really run into her. I passed on her because she looked better in the pictures but my Mongermeter was accurate about her. Good luck you trash bag working girl loving prostitute buying **** kissers.

I also think Laurles is the better area. For one the streets are not as confusing as in Poblado, it is all flat. Metro stops close by, La 70 for food and drink. Lots of "private casa" off of Milerotics or Photoprepagos. Energy massage and Tantra Massage both clean and easy to use 150 mil for an hour. Lots of Airbnb cheaper than Poblado. There are some chica friendly hotels and the love motels for less than 50 mil you get a very nice room with jacuzzi and even a bed with motion. I have stayed in Laurles for 4 months in the last 12, so I know some of the area pretty well. I like to walk around.

[QUOTE=PaisaPorFavor;2274713]I would go with Laureles area on my 1st trip. There is plenty of action around. I much prefer it to Poblado. As far as hotels I don't use them, I prefer Airbnb. Also there are several love motels in laureles that are great to use and cheap. I prefer to bring girls there instead of my apartment.

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[QUOTE=Bdb013;2271779]Hotel Du Parc Royal is right on Parque Lleras. Its very nice and girl friendly. I've stayed there. I've also used airbnb and stayed in condos in Poblado. You will need to ask if they are guest friendly to confirm before booking. Personally, I like the airbnb route, but the nice hotels are very good option. If I were staying back in that area, I would opt for something very close to Lleras. The area around Pobaldo and lleras is pretty hilly and not as easy to walk like say Laureles neighborhood.[/QUOTE]I know the area well as I have been going there for 7 years and formally had a fiance, and know the culture well. I only do Cupid, Malls, etc. And have a great time with the semi pros. I am 60, decent looking, but have no trouble attracted regular girls. They all play the game of wanting a serious relationship, and some are serious. After you have built a relationship on whasapp or I'm tell them you want that to, but in my case the age difference makes it impossible. I wish we could because they are so amazing, but it would not seriously work, and can we have a special friendship. It never fails with the 20-40 crowd, especially if they have kids. I explain I am fun, generous and they will give you the GFE of your life, because you let her keep her dignity after you give her 200 k or whatever to help with the taxi and a nice dinner with wine. It's how I roll, but respect others that do it differently, but if you give them a back door to keep their pride, and they still get money for kids and rent, you have a friend whenever needed and passion and sex like you never felt. Because they will be in love with you for that short time, and your honesty, as they are so used to being lied to, and you did what you said. Always watch your drink and stuff nevertheless, and no way I would go alone to Itagui or Centro late at night.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2274433]The ideal situation is to get them over to your place without discussing money and then paying them what you think they are worth after having sex with them. Most won't let it go that far without stating a price. But after you have met them in person you will be much more likely to know what you are willing to pay and she will know what she is willing to accept.[/QUOTE]That is not the ideal situation. In fact, that's a recipe for disaster for newbies and those who don't speak Spanish. I'm not saying it's always going to go wrong, but with the wrong chica this can end bad. Lets say that you finish and she's getting ready to leave and you give her 200 k. But she turns around and demands 500 k. Obviously, you refuse to pay it, so she pulls out her cell phone and threatens to call the police, or worse, her "friend". I'm sure that all you tough guys would not pay it and boot her out. But all newbies would pay 500 k or something close to it, if they didn't have the whole 500 on them.

I always recommend setting the terms of the transaction. While many like to believe this is a GFE, it's still a business transaction, so the terms should be agreed upon by both parties. The Romeo's will say that make it transactional and business-like, but this is not dating or romance. I'm not suggesting that you outline every single act that you expect, but price and time should be covered.

I'd love to get a real massage as a prelude to carnal pleasures. Are there any "spas" like that with clean and nice facilities?

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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2274488]And that's the moment when things went horribly wrong.

If you know you're paying her for sex and she knows you're paying her for sex, it's best if she knows, you know you're paying her for sex and that you know what the going rate is.

Because, there are a few that have been told that SA means they get paid at least 500 k.

If you're looking on SA, you better be clear up front about what you are looking for and what you are paying.

You usually give good advice, but this isn't your best effort.[/QUOTE]I have run into a few chicks on SA that had very unreasonable expectations about what their ass was worth and thankfully, most of them were more than happy to tell me about it before we ever met.

But overall I have gotten more bang for my buck and overall had better experiences with women on SA that never brought up money before meeting and a couple that never brought it up at all until I offered to pay them after sex.

I realize that a lot of guys aren't going to want to risk an encounter that doesn't lead to sex at a pre negotiated price. But when you are only interested in GFE and finding women that you want to sleep with on a regular basis, it is a sound method to find women that are interested in finding men that they don't mind spending a lot of quality time with.

It has been my experience that women on SA that will come over to your place without talking about money first are more likely to be interested in finding someone that they actually enjoy being with aside from making a little cash.

But to be honest, I have had a few encounters that lead to no sex at all and from what I could tell they weren't interested in having sex with me at any price.

This whole subject reminds me of a friend of mine that I turned on to an extremely hot chick that was a 10 in my book and very good in bed. Bottom line is he never ended up even meeting her. When I asked her what happened she told me that he insisted on anal and asked if it was possible to have sex without a condom. So she just blocked him.

I had sex with her without a condom. But there are somethings you just shouldn't ask for until you are in bed together and she is better able to make an informed decision. jajaja

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2274832]I'd love to get a real massage as a prelude to carnal pleasures. Are there any "spas" like that with clean and nice facilities?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.fantasiasenergy.com/[/URL]

I'm assuming you mean a real massage and then carnal pleasures all in the same visit? If so this is the place you're looking for. Ask the host which chicas provide the best massage. One chica told me they are required to attend a week of massage school to work here. And it's the nicest and cleanest of all the casas I've sessioned.

Where do you guys think is the best place for an STD check in med. I've become interested in BBFS due to challenges of orgasming with a condom and I find that your chances for the girl to agree go up exponentially if you have a recent check up. Mine is in english so I figure one in spanish would be even better.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2274963][URL]https://www.fantasiasenergy.com/[/URL]

I'm assuming you mean a real massage and then carnal pleasures all in the same visit? If so this is the place you're looking for. Ask the host which chicas provide the best massage. One chica told me they are required to attend a week of massage school to work here. And it's the nicest and cleanest of all the casas I've sessioned.[/QUOTE]I got a great massage before activities at Energy last visit, without even asking for one. It seemed like just part of the progress for the chica.

[QUOTE=HuskerDude;2275003]I got a great massage before activities at Energy last visit, without even asking for one. It seemed like just part of the progress for the chica.[/QUOTE]They offer either 30 minutes or 60 minutes sessions. There's not much difference in price between the two choices. Like 25 mil pesos. The 30 minute session is sex only while the longer session is said to be half massage and half sex.

Here is the Medellin Map.

The Bogota Maps are mine also.

Routards has done a lot of the ground work on them.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1yqa6hc-rhrQ3mi_1LPy6G3pMum0&ll=6.213787385897554%2C-75.5792712&z=13[/URL]

[QUOTE=Druster;2274711]I have RTFF and could not find a map similar to Routards Bogota map.

Can someone point me in the right direction?

Thanks,

Druster.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ILuvThePussy;2274994]Where do you guys think is the best place for an STD check in med. I've become interested in BBFS due to challenges of orgasming with a condom and I find that your chances for the girl to agree go up exponentially if you have a recent check up. Mine is in english so I figure one in spanish would be even better.[/QUOTE]I had the same thoughts so I have an appointment with a bilingual doctor I learned about on facebook:

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/drluznaranjo/[/URL]

In a message she said she charges 80 k for a consultancy and another 147 k for lab tests.

[QUOTE=ILuvThePussy;2274994]Where do you guys think is the best place for an STD check in med. I've become interested in BBFS due to challenges of orgasming with a condom and I find that your chances for the girl to agree go up exponentially if you have a recent check up. Mine is in english so I figure one in spanish would be even better.[/QUOTE]Chances go up depending on how much alcohol she's had too.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2275027]Here is the Medellin Map.

The Bogota Maps are mine also.

Routards has done a lot of the ground work on them.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1yqa6hc-rhrQ3mi_1LPy6G3pMum0&ll=6.213787385897554%2C-75.5792712&z=13[/URL][/QUOTE]I cannot open it, is this only available to subscribers?

I arrive in Medellin in a few weeks. I have never been there before and wanted to get a few thoughts from everyone. BTW, my Spanish is limited to last minute flash cards for 30 days. Not the best.

- I land in Bogota. I regretted not flying into Medellin, so I made a jumper flight to Medellin about 3. 5 hours after I land in Bogota. Anyone see a problem getting through customs in that time and onto my vivaair flight to Medellin?

- What is the best way to grab a cab to get to the El Poblado area from the airport without getting ripped? What is the average rate in pesos?. Also, if I am stuck on the street waiting to meet someone to get into the apartment I rented, am I going to be a bulls eye target rolling luggage and a bag around on the street in the afternoon? Haha.

- I am staying right around the Carrera 43 A & Calle 10 crossing in a apartment. Is the walk from there to the Parque Lleras area safe at late night / early hours for a solo American?. It seems like such an easy distance, but if I am dressed up, is a cab best?

- Are there any rooms "by the hour" or for $10-20 if I need to make a detour in this area? Seems I may not want to bring everyone back to my apartment for safety. If there are Street girls in the area, I'the assume they have to go somewhere.

I have 11 days in Medellin and then I return to Bogota for 6 days and then head home. I am excited to see what happens.

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2273634]Speaking of delusional. I met a girl at Fase Dos, took her wpp, hit her up the next day. She told me 400 mil, I told her I was thinking 200 because it's what I would have paid at Fase and she gets to keep all money..[/QUOTE]I would never try to pursue a chick who reveals an attitude like that. What kind of experience do you think you'll get, even if you pay her what she's asking for. No way.

[QUOTE=ILuvThePussy;2274994]Where do you guys think is the best place for an STD check in med. I've become interested in BBFS due to challenges of orgasming with a condom and I find that your chances for the girl to agree go up exponentially if you have a recent check up. Mine is in english so I figure one in spanish would be even better.[/QUOTE]Are you going to pay for each chica to get checked? Or are you assuming that they are clean? You are not the only monger that they are banging bareback. Most that would even consider it care more about $ than their health.

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2274739]I also think Laurles is the better area. For one the streets are not as confusing as in Poblado, it is all flat. Metro stops close by, La 70 for food and drink. Lots of "private casa" off of Milerotics or Photoprepagos. Energy massage and Tantra Massage both clean and easy to use 150 mil for an hour. Lots of Airbnb cheaper than Poblado. There are some chica friendly hotels and the love motels for less than 50 mil you get a very nice room with jacuzzi and even a bed with motion. I have stayed in Laurles for 4 months in the last 12, so I know some of the area pretty well. I like to walk around.[/QUOTE]What does 125 mil mean? Does it mean 150000 COP?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2273727]You mean WOMEN that CHARGE 200 are nasty? Isn't that the same as many people say on this board? If you are not paying this much money then the girl you have is inferior, ugly, diseased, etc?

But that is classic women shit. Try to guilt you or shame you into doing their bidding by calling you cheap and stuff. My favorite thing to say to this is bih well you pay for it. How are you going to shame me into paying for some shit that you can't even afford? But I guess this does a job on many men's egos and works more often than not.[/QUOTE]Yeah, in that scenario I would have likely turned the question around on her. "Am I poor? No. Are you?" Doesn't matter at that point anyway because you now know what you're dealing with. Under virtually no circumstance are you bound to have a nice time. To a lesser extent, the same principle holds true when no nasty comments have been made by either party, but you've beat her down to a price that's less that she wanted or expecting. Her resentment will manifest in her performance and it's likely to be a rush job with minimal GFE. The trick is to find one who you find attractive that is content with the standard going rate and to arrive at a mutual understanding without much back and forth. I've been to Costa Rica plenty of times and the best experiences I've had are with 7's & 8's. 9's & 10's look good (and they know it) but the experience is usually lacking. Maybe Medellin will be different, but I think the principle is universal.

[QUOTE=MattInNorfolk;2274770]I know the area well as I have been going there for 7 years and formally had a fiance, and know the culture well. I only do Cupid, Malls, etc. And have a great time with the semi pros. I am 60, decent looking, but have no trouble attracted regular girls. They all play the game of wanting a serious relationship, and some are serious. After you have built a relationship on whasapp or I'm tell them you want that to, but in my case the age difference makes it impossible. I wish we could because they are so amazing, but it would not seriously work, and can we have a special friendship. It never fails with the 20-40 crowd, especially if they have kids. I explain I am fun, generous and they will give you the GFE of your life, because you let her keep her dignity after you give her 200 k or whatever to help with the taxi and a nice dinner with wine. It's how I roll, but respect others that do it differently, but if you give them a back door to keep their pride, and they still get money for kids and rent, you have a friend whenever needed and passion and sex like you never felt. Because they will be in love with you for that short time, and your honesty, as they are so used to being lied to, and you did what you said. Always watch your drink and stuff nevertheless, and no way I would go alone to Itagui or Centro late at night.[/QUOTE]This is really great advice in general IMO. If you want a shot at a good GFE experience, you need to be straight, open and honest do everything to prevent her from feeling cheap. This doesn't guarantee a great GFE, because some girls just don't give a shit and just want the money and little else. This is where your radar (located in your BIG head) needs to be working to sift out those types.

[QUOTE=ILuvThePussy;2274994]Where do you guys think is the best place for an STD check in med. I've become interested in BBFS due to challenges of orgasming with a condom and I find that your chances for the girl to agree go up exponentially if you have a recent check up. Mine is in english so I figure one in spanish would be even better.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry, but if you're intending on doing that with some working girl, then your nuts. I get it. Condoms suck, but the alternative could be way worse. You could literally ruin your life. Hell, just the anxiety of thinking about it afterward makes it a bad deal as far as I'm concerned. If it's a non-working girl, then maybe. But even then.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2275082]Chances go up depending on how much alcohol she's had too.[/QUOTE]Chances go up depending on how much pesos you are willing to add too. A chica who already has a non-curable STD will gladly oblige for a few extra pesos.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2274900].............But to be honest, I have had a few encounters that lead to no sex at all and from what I could tell they weren't interested in having sex with me at any price..................[/QUOTE]I met this very cute spinner at a casa in Trinidad who provided HJ and BBBJ for the equivalent of US $20. She would not do FS for any price, I offered her up to US $300.

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2275180]I arrive in Medellin in a few weeks. I have never been there before and wanted to get a few thoughts from everyone. BTW, my Spanish is limited to last minute flash cards for 30 days. Not the best.

- I land in Bogota. I regretted not flying into Medellin, so I made a jumper flight to Medellin about 3. 5 hours after I land in Bogota. Anyone see a problem getting through customs in that time and onto my vivaair flight to Medellin?

- What is the best way to grab a cab to get to the El Poblado area from the airport without getting ripped? What is the average rate in pesos?. Also, if I am stuck on the street waiting to meet someone to get into the apartment I rented, am I going to be a bulls eye target rolling luggage and a bag around on the street in the afternoon? Haha.

- I am staying right around the Carrera 43 A & Calle 10 crossing in a apartment. Is the walk from there to the Parque Lleras area safe at late night / early hours for a solo American?. It seems like such an easy distance, but if I am dressed up, is a cab best?

- Are there any rooms "by the hour" or for $10-20 if I need to make a detour in this area? Seems I may not want to bring everyone back to my apartment for safety. If there are Street girls in the area, I'the assume they have to go somewhere.

I have 11 days in Medellin and then I return to Bogota for 6 days and then head home. I am excited to see what happens.[/QUOTE]You should have plenty of time to make the connection in Bogota.

Taxis from the airport have a fixed rate to Poblado. I think it is 65,000 or 70,000 COP. There should be a sticker in the windshield showing the rate, but confirm before you leave the airport. After you go through customs, you will go through a lot of people asking if you need a taxi. Tell then "No, gracias" and continue walking out to the street unless you want to go to an ATM. If going to an ATM, walk straight from customs and there are ATM's just a short distance on the right. Once you get to the street, there will be official airport taxis there. They are white with blue lettering. If there are no taxis waiting, there will be someone with a clipboard who will summon a taxi. You will be safe waiting at the apartment.

The walk between your apartment and Parque Lleras is safe, but why do you want "dress up"? Dress like the locals.

I've never used a short-term room in that area. There is a place near your apartment. The name is Las Cabaas, CL 14 Cra 43 F-65. From their web site, it is a little expensive, 98 mil for 6 hours for a cabin. Don't pick up two girls near Parque Lleras, only one. Too many things can go bad with two girls you don't know.

$300 US! Wtf!

Everyone kiss Medellin goodbye! Ya'll are driving up the price and for no reason.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2275427]I met this very cute spinner at a casa in Trinidad who provided HJ and BBBJ for the equivalent of US $20. She would not do FS for any price, I offered her up to US $300.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=GMan076;2275258]To a lesser extent, the same principle holds true when no nasty comments have been made by either party, but you've beat her down to a price that's less that she wanted or expecting. Her resentment will manifest in her performance and it's likely to be a rush job with minimal GFE. [/QUOTE]Is this your experience or is this a guess? Because I have seen many guys say this, but in my experience it is far from the truth. I went to a club in the Dominican Republic the other night and this chick told me $80 for 1 hour. I laughed at her. I told her all I pay is $30 for all night. She said I would not find anyone for that price.

A few minutes later a Dominican guy came in and started talking to me. He asked how much I give the girls. I told him from $20 to $30. He said that is good. Don't give them more than that.

Later on the same chick came back over and said she would go for $40 all night. Something made me put my hand around her waist or whatever. But I realized she didn't have any underwear on. She said no panties. I said let's go! You are definitely the type of girl I am looking for. GFE. I left that city yesterday and she sent me a mesaage asking when I was coming back because she enjoyed being with me.

Hell. She even asked for an extra $2 for a motorbike taxi and I told her no. She said but he will not have change for these bills that you gave me. I told her to stop at the store and buy something to get change. These greedy ass hoes will 50 cent your ass to death if you let them. I don't play those games.

P. S.. Later on at the apartement she did ask me what me and the Dominican guy was talking about. I told her we were talking about not giving y'all hoes too much money.

[QUOTE=BetaFin;2271896]Went to Parque Arvi after that. The cable car ride was pretty cool over the mountains and the views are breathtaking from the car. Nothing much to do once you reach the top. I walked a 45 minutes each way to one of their attractions and it was a very small creek at the end. Was tired like a anything by the time I am back to room by 7 pm.

If you are going to Medellin to really enjoy the best quality women by spending $1000+ on tickets, hotel and food, I would recommend you to visit girls / La Isla club and Loutron (was not able to go there in this trip). Don't waste your time at FaseII, Energy etc.[/QUOTE]FYI for future trips or anybody else:

When you get to Parque Arvi walk to the road, go 100 ft left and wait (or get on) the brightly painted old ford Jingle bus, it's free and will take you to the entrance (small fee) to the neat part of the park, nature walk, butterfly garden, open air restaurant, lake, walk around the right side of the lake and it will take you to the rental rowboats, can be a fun day there.

The biggest difference between Fase II and La Isla / The Girls would be Fase is a 1/3 cheaper (190 k Vs 300 k).

On a busy night I usually count over 50 girls on by midnight (kinda dead earlier) with all body types and I'd say all 7/8's+ with the top 5 being WOW.

What the bus looks like and fun on the rowboats at Arvi.

[QUOTE=Khaz5;2275248]What does 125 mil mean? Does it mean 150000 COP?[/QUOTE]Huh?

Why would it mean 150000 COP? LOL.

It's 125,000 COP.

Great story. I have to work on this a little better. Maybe comes with more experience I hope.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2275498]Is this your experience or is this a guess? Because I have seen many guys say this, but in my experience it is far from the truth. I went to a club in the Dominican Republic the other night and this chick told me $80 for 1 hour. I laughed at her. I told her all I pay is $30 for all night. She said I would not find anyone for that price.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2275498]Is this your experience or is this a guess? Because I have seen many guys say this, but in my experience it is far from the truth. I went to a club in the Dominican Republic the other night and this chick told me $80 for 1 hour. I laughed at her. I told her all I pay is $30 for all night. She said I would not find anyone for that price.

A few minutes later a Dominican guy came in and started talking to me. He asked how much I give the girls. I told him from $20 to $30. He said that is good. Don't give them more than that.

Later on the same chick came back over and said she would go for $40 all night. Something made me put my hand around her waist or whatever. But I realized she didn't have any underwear on. She said no panties. I said let's go! You are definitely the type of girl I am looking for. GFE. I left that city yesterday and she sent me a mesaage asking when I was coming back because she enjoyed being with me..[/QUOTE]Haha, that's awesome! Yeah, that's based on my experience, but note that all my activities have primarily taken place in Costa Rica over the past decade. Each country is different as is each experience. What I was trying to get across was a general principle. That is, the sooner you can come to terms, the sooner you can back-shelf the money aspect of the transaction. If a chica high balls you, then in frustrated manner, or with snarky comment begrudgingly agrees, then you're not likely to have a great GFE; rather, you're more likely to get a full pro, not fully into it, maybe even one-shot rushed experience.

Obviously there's going to be exceptions, as in the case of your experience. It sounds as though the chica wasn't holding onto high expectations, with a "I'll give this one shot, but if I don't get my price, then market price will suffice" type attitude. Hell, it may have even earned you some respect from her. But I think the principle still holds. Bottom line, women don't want to be regarded as ho's (even if they are one), so everything you can do to make them feel good about the experience accrues to your benefit. Beating them down for the very best deal, works against you that way. That's always been my playbook. If I get a snarky comment or frustrated look, I cut them loose because I know where that's going. So long as they're within reasonable market prices with a good attitude and a good vibe between us going, then it's on.

I have my first trip to Medellin scheduled for next week. It's going to be a short 4 day with an old collage buddy of mine. I'm passing on whole FB, SA, CC route, and instead opting for Photoprepagos and will likely check out the college girls posted on Avienda 33 on Saturday night. My buddy has a connection with someone who's renting us an apartment in Poblado which allows us to bring over guests. I much prefer bringing a chica over, then the whole casa thing. I know that has some risks associated with it, but the chicas will have to sign in with front desk and ID before making it on the property, so I think it should be ok. I'll likely update the forms with my Photoprepagos sessions, as members may find this useful given how easy it would be to reference and contact (or avoid) these girls as the case may be. Wish me luck!

[QUOTE=GMan076;2275241]I would never try to pursue a chick who reveals an attitude like that. What kind of experience do you think you'll get, even if you pay her what she's asking for. No way.[/QUOTE]No kidding. If a chica quotes me a ridiculous price, I won't even acknowledge her (other than possibly laughing). I just ignore her and move on. IMO it's an insult to my intelligence and a good indication that the session wouldn't be good.

After years in this hobby, you learn the warning signs.

The magnetism of Colombia has pulled me back to Medellin. My last visit was late 2017. I have been coming to Medellin for some fifteen years now and have witnessed some major changes. Here are some random ones: Firstly, the city has become very crowded, secondly, there are many American tourists around, I recall in my first trip I saw no Americans for the duration of my entire stay and thirdly the women have gotten really fat. Obesity is going to be a major problem here in the not too distant future. I have noticed increases in girth with every visit. In my first visit I recall sessioning many slim beauties, I don't think its going to be so this time around.

As I have done for the past five years or so my first casa stop was New Life. When I entered there were some 7 or 8 brothas checking out the offerings, kudos to them they certainly know where the fine ass is and I suspect they have added Medellin to their favored destinations Rio and the Sue. I grabbed a cute spinner from the 20 or so chicas who were parading. She was thin, lovely face on a credible 19 year old body. Off to the room and off with the ropas revealing flawless skin without an ounce of fat reminiscent of my earliest visits to Medellin. There was one problem, however, she was very tight. She was new to New Life and I suspect not only new to mongering but also new to sex. I have sessioned tight babes especially in Asia, China in particular, but this was ridiculous. Copious amounts of lube hardly facilitated my entry. In the end I only got the head and a little bit more in and was, therefore, restricted in pounding the way I like. Furthermore, I became aware that I was causing her some pain although she did not complain, unlike the Asian providers. Eventually, I was merciful and ended the session without finishing. I don't blame her at all, she was as compliant as could be in the circumstances. A good girl but I'll have to wait until she gets more experience.

Desiring a nut I decided to choose someone who I could bang to my heart's delight. So black Crystal and I were off to the races. However, she was not true to her race and although I nutted the session was unfulfilling. She was not into it and the chemistry was not there. I did not want to end the day's activities on such a sub par note and scouted the available talent for a conclusion to my first day's activities.

After careful scrutiny I chose Lady, a caramel colored item. She was quite attractive and somewhat into the session but she wanted to set the pace which I do not like. I like to be in charge and dictate the sequence of positions and the pace in general. So, for me, the session was somewhat sporadic and disordered. The fact that I managed a nut speaks volumes for my appreciation of her allure.

So My first day did not go down exactly as I would have liked but as everyone knows even a bad day in Medellin is better than the best day in sex prison. New Life check. More casas to come.

I've been to Medellin, Colombia back in 2007 for a year. Not bad, and food was good, but now I would no longer go back to Colombia. The legislation regarding porn and prostitution has got to harsh for my liking. Child porn is now 10 to 20 years in prison. Being with an [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] hooker can buy you in for 19 to 37 years. Back in 2007 there was no such law.

[QUOTE=ILuvThePussy;2274994]Where do you guys think is the best place for an STD check in med. I've become interested in BBFS due to challenges of orgasming with a condom and I find that your chances for the girl to agree go up exponentially if you have a recent check up. Mine is in english so I figure one in spanish would be even better.[/QUOTE]What kind of condom are you using? One whose basic design has not changed since the 19th century?

Try the new female condoms. An extra dab of lube on the inside and you'll be slipping and sliding like you were going bareback. I like a few drops of water and / or an edible lube. Female condoms are also great for 3- and 4- ways: each gal gets their own condom, so you can go from chica 1 to chica 2 to chica 3 without taking off or putting a new condom. Also, if you lube with a nice flavored edible lube, you can pull out, get some oral, and then go back in.

[URL]https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=female[/URL]+condoms+information&qpvt=female+condoms+information&FORM=IGRE.

I often get resupplied with these for free when I go to the free clinic for my 90 day tests. Your local Sam's Club or Walmart can order them for you.

A few years ago, me and a favorita went downtown, a medical office building en el centro, and got tested. I think we went in on Thursday and got our results Monday.

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[QUOTE=Kavin76;2275180]I arrive in Medellin in a few weeks. I have never been there before and wanted to get a few thoughts from everyone. BTW, my Spanish is limited to last minute flash cards for 30 days. Not the best.

((I recommend that you get the DVD collection of the telenovela "La Munecas de La Mafia," the one with subtitles. The actresses are gorgeous, a lot of it was filmed in Medellin and Bogota, the storyline is good, the production values are excellent. You will learn the local dialect and idioms. Oh, did I mention the actresses are gorgeous?))

- What is the best way to grab a cab to get to the El Poblado area from the airport without getting ripped? What is the average rate in pesos?. Also, if I am stuck on the street waiting to meet someone to get into the apartment I rented, am I going to be a bulls eye target rolling luggage and a bag around on the street in the afternoon? Haha.

((At any given time, there are a few people rolling luggage, or worse, walking around in sandals and with one back pack on their back, and the other on their chest. Afternoon is fine. That neighborhood is fine. Just limit your exposure and get that loot into the apartment, pronto. That is when you are most vulnerable. Have the company know you are coming. Heck , they might be even waiting for you, as they might wait until the last minute to clean out the apartment from the previous tenant.))

- I am staying right around the Carrera 43 A & Calle 10 crossing in a apartment. Is the walk from there to the Parque Lleras area safe at late night / early hours for a solo American?. It seems like such an easy distance, but if I am dressed up, is a cab best?

((It's a safe neighborhood. I've stayed in apartments there.

Be observant. If the streets are crowded with regular people, local people, walking the same streets, and you do not stick out by being dressed differently, wearing jewelry/watches/etc., flashing your cash and expensive cell phone, you will be OK. If you the streets are deserted, take a cab. Sure, it is a short distance, and you will pay the cabbie the minimum even if you did not reach it, but it might be worth it. Heck, sometimes you don't need the exercise and you don't want to walk the hill. Sometimes, that $2 cabfare is what saves you from being victimized.

Don't carry anything you are not willing to give up at gun point. Get a second passport that is limited to travel to only 2-3 of your top mongering destinations. Yes, a 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th passport that is good for a designated country or two are available. Bring two passports, hide one, put the other in the safe. You do NOT want to lose your passport and have to go to the embassy in Bogota to get a replacement.

After a couple of times of drinking or dining in LLeras, you will realize that does not have anything to offer you. The chicas working the park have crazy price expectations, and some of them are age traps. Besides, if they get back to the room and they rip you off, what recourse do you have? FaceBook, casa girls, club girls, even the online ad girls, you have some feedback and a way to keep them honest.))

- Are there any rooms "by the hour" or for $10-20 if I need to make a detour in this area? Seems I may not want to bring everyone back to my apartment for safety. If there are Street girls in the area, I'the assume they have to go somewhere.

((Just two metro stops away, or a 5-10 minute cab ride, are the short term hotels around the Mayorista. Clean, comfortable, not too expensive.))

I have 11 days in Medellin and then I return to Bogota for 6 days and then head home. I am excited to see what happens.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dennisr35;2275903]I've been to Medellin, Colombia back in 2007 for a year. Not bad, and food was good, but now I would no longer go back to Colombia. The legislation regarding porn and prostitution has got to harsh for my liking. Child porn is now 10 to 20 years in prison. Being with an [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] hooker can buy you in for 19 to 37 years. Back in 2007 there was no such law.[/QUOTE]Or you could just fuck adults like a normal person.

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2275180]I arrive in Medellin in a few weeks. I have never been there before and wanted to get a few thoughts from everyone. BTW, my Spanish is limited to last minute flash cards for 30 days. Not the best.[/QUOTE]Get the Duolingo app for your phone. It will help more than flashcards. The hardest part about communication will be understanding what other people are saying.

[QUOTE]- I land in Bogota. I regretted not flying into Medellin, so I made a jumper flight to Medellin about 3. 5 hours after I land in Bogota. Anyone see a problem getting through customs in that time and onto my vivaair flight to Medellin?[/QUOTE]Getting through customs in Bogota should only take 30 minutes or so. You should have plenty of time.

[QUOTE]- What is the best way to grab a cab to get to the El Poblado area from the airport without getting ripped? What is the average rate in pesos?. Also, if I am stuck on the street waiting to meet someone to get into the apartment I rented, am I going to be a bulls eye target rolling luggage and a bag around on the street in the afternoon? Haha.[/QUOTE]First stop at an ATM (marked "Cajero") and withdrawal some Colombian pesos. When you exit the airport, look at the wall of the terminal. There's a big sign posted with the set rates for lots of destinations. I believe Poblado is 70 k right now. You'll see a line of white taxis. Go to the front of the line and ask "cuanto cuesta?" If he gives a price more than 5 k over the posted price, go to the next one and ask.

Calle 10 and Carrera 43 A is a busy, safe area. You should be fine. Just put your luggage against the building and stand in front of it.

[QUOTE]- I am staying right around the Carrera 43 A & Calle 10 crossing in a apartment. Is the walk from there to the Parque Lleras area safe at late night / early hours for a solo American?. It seems like such an easy distance, but if I am dressed up, is a cab best?[/QUOTE]Don't dress up. Decent jeans and a polo, t or button down shirt are fine. At night you might want a long sleeve shirt or light jacket. Temperature will get to the low 60's. Depends on how you are with that temperature.

Walking to Parque Lleras is no problem day or night. It's slightly uphill, but not too bad.

[QUOTE]- Are there any rooms "by the hour" or for $10-20 if I need to make a detour in this area? Seems I may not want to bring everyone back to my apartment for safety. If there are Street girls in the area, I'the assume they have to go somewhere.

I have 11 days in Medellin and then I return to Bogota for 6 days and then head home. I am excited to see what happens.[/QUOTE]Las Cabanas is nearby. Any taxi driver can take you there. Cost is 98 k for 6 hours. Farther away, but nicer for about the same price is Motel Ibiza. Once again any taxi driver will know where it's at.

In Mayorista there are some cheap ones that charge 16-17 k per hour. No idea on cleanliness or quality.

Keep your valuables locked or hidden away. Don't leave the girl unattended at any time. Don't go to sleep while she's in the apartment. Don't shower, unless you shower with her. Don't pay her until it's time to leave. Don't let her fix you a drink. If you drink anything with her, don't leave her alone with your drink.

If you pick her up in the park, ask to see her cedula. The Colombian cedula looks similar to a US driver's license. Front left is a picture. To the right will be her full name. On the back is the date of birth. The card is sort of a dirty white color. Compare the picture to the girl. It's common for girls to borrow a cedula. If she doesn't have a cedula it's safest to assume she is too young.

If I remember correctly, the Venezuelan cedula is red and white and I think all the information is on the front.

The street girls in the area are hard to come by before 11 pm. Between midnight and 1 am is prime time. There are usually a few across from the Medellin Beer Factory, or you can find them in most of the discos. Be wary of girls working on the more deserted streets around there, or girls that some guy tries to offer you. Also be aware of 2 girls wanting a 3 some. Those are situations with too much risk.

[QUOTE=IguanaSix;2275965]What kind of condom are you using? One whose basic design has not changed since the 19th century?

Try the new female condoms. An extra dab of lube on the inside and you'll be slipping and sliding like you were going bareback. I like a few drops of water and / or an edible lube. Female condoms are also great for 3- and 4- ways: each gal gets their own condom, so you can go from chica 1 to chica 2 to chica 3 without taking off or putting a new condom. Also, if you lube with a nice flavored edible lube, you can pull out, get some oral, and then go back in.

[URL]https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=female[/URL]+condoms+information&qpvt=female+condoms+information&FORM=IGRE.

I often get resupplied with these for free when I go to the free clinic for my 90 day tests. Your local Sam's Club or Walmart can order them for you.

A few years ago, me and a favorita went downtown, a medical office building en el centro, and got tested. I think we went in on Thursday and got our results Monday.[/QUOTE]I've tried almost every recommended condom out there. If its the first fuck of the day I'm ok, but it still takes 30 minutes of going at it to have an ok orgasm. If I'm not using a condom I can climax as many times as I want. I remember I got a casa girl to go bareback for an extra 50 mil. I went back to her about 7 times that day. Even with the extra fee it was only 100 mil a session which is like $30. I just don't want to use condoms anymore as it feels infinitely better without them. I get checked every month, clean myself thoroughly after the fact, choose girls who look relatively clean, and ask to make sure the girls are on birth control. I know its risky but if I have to use a condom I would rather not fuck at all.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2275520]FYI for future trips or anybody else:

When you get to Parque Arvi walk to the road, go 100 ft left and wait (or get on) the brightly painted old ford Jingle bus, it's free and will take you to the entrance (small fee) to the neat part of the park, nature walk, butterfly garden, open air restaurant, lake, walk around the right side of the lake and it will take you to the rental rowboats, can be a fun day there.

The biggest difference between Fase II and La Isla / The Girls would be Fase is a 1/3 cheaper (190 k Vs 300 k).[/QUOTE]Wolf,

Haven't found this info before my trip anywhere. They haven't mentioned this at their information booths either. Thanks for the info and will help the future ARVI visitors.

Regarding the more price at La Isla, I would pay more for more / guaranteed choices (for the type of girls that I like) than guessing / waiting at the other places.

BTW, I read all your reports before my trip, very informational and detail enough for anyone visiting MDE (It's my choice that I don't visit several of those areas).

Betafin.

[QUOTE=ILuvThePussy;2276105]I've tried almost every recommended condom out there. If its the first fuck of the day I'm ok, but it still takes 30 minutes of going at it to have an ok orgasm. If I'm not using a condom I can climax as many times as I want. I remember I got a casa girl to go bareback for an extra 50 mil. I went back to her about 7 times that day. Even with the extra fee it was only 100 mil a session which is like $30. I just don't want to use condoms anymore as it feels infinitely better without them. I get checked every month, clean myself thoroughly after the fact, choose girls who look relatively clean, and ask to make sure the girls are on birth control. I know its risky but if I have to use a condom I would rather not fuck at all.[/QUOTE]Sir, let me tell you: you have a gift! I myself am lucky if I get to 10 minutes with a condom. And that entails switching positions and what not. The second time I quite often have to resort to our magical blue friend.

All I am saying is: enjoy and don't risk God knows what for the sake of busting a nut. I agree with the previous comments, no session is worth the potential worry and downfall. No matter how good it is.

P.S. Have you tried getting condoms from Europe? Durex has been testing some very interesting and "extra feel / thin" products out there. Just saying.

I see this as a win / win situation. You don't have to worry about getting caught and punished and Colombia and the rest of us don't have to worry about you.

Anyone know this girl named Sofia Velez on FB? She's got like 6000 followers on FB and is friends with some prepagos and she posts random stuff like 20 times a day.

[QUOTE=Dennisr35;2275903]I've been to Medellin, Colombia back in 2007 for a year. Not bad, and food was good, but now I would no longer go back to Colombia. The legislation regarding porn and prostitution has got to harsh for my liking. Child porn is now 10 to 20 years in prison. Being with an [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] hooker can buy you in for 19 to 37 years. Back in 2007 there was no such law.[/QUOTE]The legislation was enacted to keep [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord914][CodeWord914][/url] like this one out. Seems to be working.

[QUOTE=ILuvThePussy;2276105]I've tried almost every recommended condom out there. If its the first fuck of the day I'm ok, but it still takes 30 minutes of going at it to have an ok orgasm. If I'm not using a condom I can climax as many times as I want. I remember I got a casa girl to go bareback for an extra 50 mil. I went back to her about 7 times that day. Even with the extra fee it was only 100 mil a session which is like $30. I just don't want to use condoms anymore as it feels infinitely better without them. I get checked every month, clean myself thoroughly after the fact, choose girls who look relatively clean, and ask to make sure the girls are on birth control. I know its risky but if I have to use a condom I would rather not fuck at all.[/QUOTE]This sounds like it's psychological, not about condoms per se. I think you have convinced yourself that you can't come wearing a condom. Have you tried psycho therapy? Talking to somebody may not be a bad idea. You don't have to mention about banging hookers, if it makes you uncomfortable. Just say that you have trouble climaxing if not wearing a condom, and you would like to be able to have safer sex.

[QUOTE=ILuvThePussy;2276105]I've tried almost every recommended condom out there. If its the first fuck of the day I'm ok, but it still takes 30 minutes of going at it to have an ok orgasm. If I'm not using a condom I can climax as many times as I want. I remember I got a casa girl to go bareback for an extra 50 mil. I went back to her about 7 times that day. Even with the extra fee it was only 100 mil a session which is like $30. I just don't want to use condoms anymore as it feels infinitely better without them. I get checked every month, clean myself thoroughly after the fact, choose girls who look relatively clean, and ask to make sure the girls are on birth control. I know its risky but if I have to use a condom I would rather not fuck at all.[/QUOTE]Its all in the mind. You have a psychological block. When AIDS broke out and I started using condoms around 1991 I had difficulty coming but there was no turning back for me. Eventually I adapted such that today I come easier with a condom than when I first started using them.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2276073]Or you could just fuck adults like a normal person.[/QUOTE]Thank you. What a f--ing moron. Mods should take the next step and ban that profile.

Could you give us some more info on these college girls on avienda 33? Is there certain places working girls are hanging or just at the random bars? Bc there are so many bars lol

[QUOTE=GMan076;2275566] will likely check out the college girls posted on Avienda 33 on Saturday night. [/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=PaisaPorFavor;2276755]Could you give us some more info on these college girls on avienda 33? Is there certain places working girls are hanging or just at the random bars? Bc there are so many bars lol.[/QUOTE]Unless you speak pretty good Spanish, stick with known putas. "Hola" and "Cuanto" will not cut it with college girls, unless they are putas posing as "college girls".

[QUOTE=Turgid;2276575]Its all in the mind. You have a psychological block. When AIDS broke out and I started using condoms around 1991 I had difficulty coming but there was no turning back for me. Eventually I adapted such that today I come easier with a condom than when I first started using them.[/QUOTE]Really weird thing is this might be true. In Brazil I found zero bareback and probably for good reason -- they went through a massive AIDS epidemic. Well, the first two fucks were alright but needed to be finished manually with condom off. The third one was amazing and came quickly while using a condom.

Damn that brazilian ass is the best. One garota I did doggy style and the entire session was me going like woody wood pecker. Felt great even with the condom on.

I haven't used a condom in Colombia in a while but I also only fuck a handful of chicas every year now. Limit the amount of partners and hope for the best.

I'm not worried about my Spanish speaking ability. Just curious if the working girls congregated at certain bars. Didn't realize you were just discussing non pros or whatever their label is. Thanks anyway

[QUOTE=Queens35;2276779]Unless you speak pretty good Spanish, stick with known putas. "Hola" and "Cuanto" will not cut it with college girls, unless they are putas posing as "college girls".[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=PaisaPorFavor;2276835]I'm not worried about my Spanish speaking ability. Just curious if the working girls congregated at certain bars. Didn't realize you were just discussing non pros or whatever their label is. Thanks anyway.[/QUOTE]I think you need to back up to the original post this started with. It began with a guy who's never been to Medellin, who plans on finding girls mostly through photosprepagos and plans to look for girls along Calle 33. Other than Luna Lunera, I don't know of any reliable source of girls on Calle 33, or Carrera 33.

There are several dance clubs on Calle 33, but none of them are places I'd send a newbie to in order to meet women. However, if your Spanish is good and you're comfortable in the no gringo zone, it's probably not a bad place to visit.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2276813]...........I haven't used a condom in Colombia in a while but I also only fuck a handful of chicas every year now. Limit the amount of partners and hope for the best.[/QUOTE]How do you get BBFS in Colombia? I have been here since Friday and it has been very difficult for me to get BBBJ. Overall I've not been getting good service. I may be just choosing the wrong girls.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2277059]How do you get BBFS in Colombia? I have been here since Friday and it has been very difficult for me to get BBBJ. Overall I've not been getting good service. I may be just choosing the wrong girls.[/QUOTE]In brothels it was offering more money (50 k more usually) but it didn't always work. I don't recommend doing it in brothels. They screw too many guys a day. My trip to Bogota last year was the last time I did BBFS in a brothel. That shit was being offered far too easily in Bogota.

Outside of brothels most chicas will go BBFS after they get to know me. I sweet talk them. I explain I get tested every year (which I do) and I'm clean. I charm it out of them. If I can't get BBFS I usually lose interest.

One problem with this approach is they get super jealous and accuse me of being "muy perro" (very dog) if they see me with other chicas. I always act like she's the only one I fuck without a condom. Oh, and she needs to think you would never tell anyone you did BBFS with her because the other chicas get mad at that shit.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2277059]How do you get BBFS in Colombia? I have been here since Friday and it has been very difficult for me to get BBBJ. Overall I've not been getting good service. I may be just choosing the wrong girls.[/QUOTE]Get tested. Show them your test. Profit.

Thanks, I got a little too excited for a new spot. I like that area of Medellin and it's pretty close to where I stay.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2277001]I think you need to back up to the original post this started with. It began with a guy who's never been to Medellin, who plans on finding girls mostly through photosprepagos and plans to look for girls along Calle 33. Other than Luna Lunera, I don't know of any reliable source of girls on Calle 33, or Carrera 33.

There are several dance clubs on Calle 33, but none of them are places I'd send a newbie to in order to meet women. However, if your Spanish is good and you're comfortable in the no gringo zone, it's probably not a bad place to visit.[/QUOTE].

I did my first trip to Tijuana recently and now coming back to Medellin, I'd like to try the strip clubs, which I didn't do last time. I did a strip club with Woodman in Bogota and a private dance there was 20 k I believe. What's the price in Medellin? About the same for the Centro clubs? What if you just want a girl to talk to you? You buy them a drink or no and how much?

For reference, in Tijuana a private dance was $20 USD in one of the smaller clubs (roughly 63 k COP) and a ficha / girl drink was $10.

So 3 weeks before touchdown. I'm just lining up all options (aka if nothing else happen kinda scenario) , so I need board leaders help to connect to that whatsapp group which is talked in past. I could not find contact info (you can PM me that as soon as my membership renewal goes thru).

Though I could not find any recent positive report, it will be my wild card to try if shit goes downhill.

Given mde is full of options, I'm assuming its not going to be as shitty as what I experienced in Slovakia. LOL. But got to be ready for whatever.

Gracias.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2277067]In brothels it was offering more money (50 k more usually) but it didn't always work. I don't recommend doing it in brothels. They screw too many guys a day. My trip to Bogota last year was the last time I did BBFS in a brothel. That shit was being offered far too easily in Bogota.

Outside of brothels most chicas will go BBFS after they get to know me. I sweet talk them. I explain I get tested every year (which I do) and I'm clean. I charm it out of them. If I can't get BBFS I usually lose interest.

One problem with this approach is they get super jealous and accuse me of being "muy perro" (very dog) if they see me with other chicas. I always act like she's the only one I fuck without a condom. Oh, and she needs to think you would never tell anyone you did BBFS with her because the other chicas get mad at that shit.[/QUOTE] "I always act like she's the only one I fuck without a condom."

Did it ever occur to you that she might be doing the same act with you?

No doubt -- once they get comfortable with you, many will just hop on it with no protection. That's one reason I try not to repeat too much.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2277187]I did my first trip to Tijuana recently and now coming back to Medellin, I'd like to try the strip clubs, which I didn't do last time. I did a strip club with Woodman in Bogota and a private dance there was 20 k I believe. What's the price in Medellin? About the same for the Centro clubs? What if you just want a girl to talk to you? You buy them a drink or no and how much?

For reference, in Tijuana a private dance was $20 USD in one of the smaller clubs (roughly 63 k COP) and a ficha / girl drink was $10.[/QUOTE]They don't really do a lot of table dancing in the MED clubs, they guys tip them when they come off stage and walk table to table. But in the Centro clubs it'll be about US $26 to take her to the private rooms for sex so that's not bad. About $63 in the more upscale club Fase II and $100 in La Isla Club.

The girls will join you for a drink no problem though.

I travel for work and never get to stay in Medellin for too long which is a damn shame. I need to go back soon and stay for a few days. I've spent much time on ISG just lurking around but definitely want to contribute because I'the like to share info and get assistance one of these days.

I did a little research and ended up following through with one casa in mind this time on my first visit. I went to Casa de Piedras, or Lindas chicas around 5 pm. It's right by the Prado metro station. 1 hour session with young beautiful Nataly. Damage was $100 + $10 for two beers in USD. I was a little annoyed I thought the beers were included but nahh haha. Now I know that's a lot of money for just an hour but unfortunately I didn't think before and didn't exchange into COP before going to MDE. My bad. This was Monday Jan 7th and some holiday or festival was going on so couldn't find any open exchange stations for the currency.

I've paid $300 for hour sessions in the USA but not anymore. $100 in Medellin got me BBBJ and BBFS with Nataly. We were nonstop for the hour with so much kissing. Her lips were wet and juicy. She is a great kisser with small boobs and an ass to die for. Perfect shaped body and her voice was just sweet. She let me be inside of her and cum inside of her twice. It was a perfect workout and definitely helped because I haven't been in the gym in a few days. We ended the session right after a quick shower and even then she let me fuck her for a little in there and she sucked my dick as the water hit our bodies too. I left feeling very happy and know I want to come back to this casa and sample the other chicas. Did not see any others with Nataly but the Mama of the house has many contacts and after seeing many of the pictures I indeed want to rush back. She was nice too and patient with me especially since I do not know too much Spanish.

[QUOTE=Combo;2277220]"I always act like she's the only one I fuck without a condom."

Did it ever occur to you that she might be doing the same act with you?
[/QUOTE]Yes. Like I said I manage the risk by not fucking 100 chicas a year. More like 10.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2277249]Yes. Like I said I manage the risk by not fucking 100 chicas a year. More like 10.[/QUOTE]To each their own brother.

However I would humbly suggest that banging 100 a year with protection is far safer than 10 putas bareback.

Once you are going bareback, you have no control over affairs, those 10 putas do! And we all know how reliable.

What a puta says will turn out to be. They are playing you even as you are playing them. That's the rule any monger.

Ought to know. Once they start to over analyze beyond that, they are in for a tough time. Not saying putas don't have.

Emotions etc. But rather that they by definition do not have stable lives and have a lower threshold for lying and cheating.

As they rationalize a lot. That is how they got into doing this in the first place!

Anyone in Medellin looking to join a mongering party let me know. Happy mongering gentlemen.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2277187]I did my first trip to Tijuana recently and now coming back to Medellin, I'd like to try the strip clubs, which I didn't do last time. I did a strip club with Woodman in Bogota and a private dance there was 20 k I believe. What's the price in Medellin? About the same for the Centro clubs? What if you just want a girl to talk to you? You buy them a drink or no and how much?

For reference, in Tijuana a private dance was $20 USD in one of the smaller clubs (roughly 63 k COP) and a ficha / girl drink was $10.[/QUOTE]I don't think I have ever seen someone get a lap dance in mde. The strip clubs I have been to were nothing like the show clubs in Tijuana. Generally the girls will go to every table after a dance and expect a tip from every customer (2 k is plenty). So of you want to bang her just tell her. Can probably fuck her cheaper than a $9 lady drink and lap dance in Hong Kong.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2277265]As they rationalize a lot. That is how they got into doing this in the first place![/QUOTE]Wow. I thought it was because they are really poor and had no other choice.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2277453]Wow. I thought it was because they are really poor and had no other choice.[/QUOTE]And pretend that some of the post that you read were written when some of our monger friends were tipsy. Sometimes you can't win when you're surrounded by professional mongers with values. Mr. E, I Salute your consistency about your mongering position. If I'm paying for a girl, the last thing on my mind is her ability to rationalize. I'm concerned with how well her performance is and the rate she is charging. I am definitely not in Medellin to marry any of these girls. I won't criticize anything a monger does but trying to have morals after a devilish act is a oxymoron. Pollo negro is out!

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2277249]Yes. Like I said I manage the risk by not fucking 100 chicas a year. More like 10.[/QUOTE]It only takes 1.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2277059]How do you get BBFS in Colombia? I have been here since Friday and it has been very difficult for me to get BBBJ. Overall I've not been getting good service. I may be just choosing the wrong girls.[/QUOTE]1. Offer to pay more.

2. find less pro less experienced girls.

[QUOTE=NorCalKid;2277427]I don't think I have ever seen someone get a lap dance in mde. The strip clubs I have been to were nothing like the show clubs in Tijuana. Generally the girls will go to every table after a dance and expect a tip from every customer (2 k is plenty). So of you want to bang her just tell her. Can probably fuck her cheaper than a $9 lady drink and lap dance in Hong Kong.[/QUOTE]Although lap dances are not as popular like in the states, (because it's about the closest you will get to fucking most of the strippers there) I have scene as well as received many lap dances in Colombia! Just ask! And of course agree on a tip. Do Colombian girls like to dance? YES! So what's the problem?

Many reports on casa de piedras which could have clearly warned you what you were in for. Personally, I would never go back there. The haggling is beyond reasonable. If you want a mini lesson on how to get ripped off from every angle by a seasoned pro, so you have the experience so as not to let it happen again, then go to casa de piedras / nancy's / lindas. Whichever name suits you. "Nice and patient" with you ....because she knew she could get more money out of you. For that same 100 plus dollars you spent, you could have taken any chica out of a centro strip club and fucked her three times. or you could have called just about any facebook girl taken her to dinner and had her come to your place or a love motel and also fucked her multiple times. With minimal clock watching. Appologies if it sounds like I am busting on you, but dude, meet up with me or some other experienced members of the board and you will have a lot more fun, a lot more adventure, a lot more honesty, and a lot more sex for the same money and get taken advantage of less.

[QUOTE=Easian1234;2277244]I travel for work and never get to stay in Medellin for too long which is a damn shame. I need to go back soon and stay for a few days. I've spent much time on ISG just lurking around but definitely want to contribute because I'the like to share info and get assistance one of these days.

I did a little research and ended up following through with one casa in mind this time on my first visit. I went to Casa de Piedras, or Lindas chicas around 5 pm. It's right by the Prado metro station. 1 hour session with young beautiful Nataly. Damage was $100 + $10 for two beers in USD. I was a little annoyed I thought the beers were included but nahh haha. Now I know that's a lot of money for just an hour but unfortunately I didn't think before and didn't exchange into COP before going to MDE. My bad. This was Monday Jan 7th and some holiday or festival was going on so couldn't find any open exchange stations for the currency.

I've paid $300 for hour sessions in the USA but not anymore. $100 in Medellin got me BBBJ and BBFS with Nataly. We were nonstop for the hour with so much kissing. Her lips were wet and juicy. She is a great kisser with small boobs and an ass to die for. Perfect shaped body and her voice was just sweet. She let me be inside of her and cum inside of her twice. It was a perfect workout and definitely helped because I haven't been in the gym in a few days. We ended the session right after a quick shower and even then she let me fuck her for a little in there and she sucked my dick as the water hit our bodies too. I left feeling very happy and know I want to come back to this casa and sample the other chicas. Did not see any others with Nataly but the Mama of the house has many contacts and after seeing many of the pictures I indeed want to rush back. She was nice too and patient with me especially since I do not know too much Spanish.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PaisaPorFavor;2276755]Could you give us some more info on these college girls on avienda 33? Is there certain places working girls are hanging or just at the random bars? Bc there are so many bars lol.[/QUOTE]To be quite honest, I'm not 100% percent sure, as my first 4 day trip to Medellin starts tomorrow. I'm referencing that bit of info from a Youtuber with a channel by the name of "El Paisa, Medellin, Life". He has a 5 minute video entitled "Prostitutes in the city of Medellin. Colombia" where he mentions that top-of-the-line university girls post up there Saturday night only. If you check out the map, you can see that Universidad Pontificia Bolivariana sits right along Avienda 33. This is one of Medellin's larger universities with a student population of 20 K-25 K. I'll likely be checking out the section of 33rd that runs by that University. Once I get back, I'll likely post my findings. Hope this helps!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2277512]It only takes 1.[/QUOTE]No. You can have sex with an HIV positive person and never get it. Google transmission rates. It takes 1 giving it to you 1 in 10,000 times.

But yeah I get your point. It only takes one successful transmission. I haven't gotten any STDs yet so hopefully I'll quit while I'm ahead.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2277691]No. You can have sex with an HIV positive person and never get it. Google transmission rates. It takes 1 giving it to you 1 in 10,000 times.

But yeah I get your point. It only takes one successful transmission. I haven't gotten any STDs yet so hopefully I'll quit while I'm ahead.[/QUOTE]I think the chances of getting HIV are extremely low barebacking with a women. However, warts, herpes, and / or a few others are almost a lock if you do it regularly.

I was determined to get a good session today after some subpar experiences. However, I am on a quest to check out as many casas as possible and today it was the turn of Dulce Companias on Cra 45,57-55. 6 chicas in the presentation. Vanessa looks delicious and ripe for a punt but I decided to go with the one who looked most eager and friendly, Camilla. She was no looker and would certainly be avoided by the discerning mongers on this board but off to the habitacion we were. Disrobing revealed small tits that have seen better days but otherwise nice body with firm round non-augmented ass. She did not disappoint and enthusiastically explored the kamasutra with me. This was followed by a decent full body massage. One hour, COP 75,000. The room was small and there was no hot water. Some time ago I questioned a fellow punter on this board as to whether he really took cold showers in Medellin, well, I did today, brrr.

I think you will find more than a few takers on Veracruz, especially the after dark lurkers. Have fun with that.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2277067]In brothels it was offering more money (50 k more usually) but it didn't always work. I don't recommend doing it in brothels. They screw too many guys a day. My trip to Bogota last year was the last time I did BBFS in a brothel. That shit was being offered far too easily in Bogota.

Outside of brothels most chicas will go BBFS after they get to know me. I sweet talk them. I explain I get tested every year (which I do) and I'm clean. I charm it out of them. If I can't get BBFS I usually lose interest.

One problem with this approach is they get super jealous and accuse me of being "muy perro" (very dog) if they see me with other chicas. I always act like she's the only one I fuck without a condom. Oh, and she needs to think you would never tell anyone you did BBFS with her because the other chicas get mad at that shit.[/QUOTE]

Due to the high level of flakiness with Colombian women, I read that inviting multiple girls to meet at one time can work in your favor for dates. Would the same go for Prepagos? I would assume the flakiness would be lower since there is money involved, but I'm curious if anyone has any feedback to this? Thanks.

The manager there is quite a character. Was the plump and lovely Paloma in the lineup?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2277709]I was determined to get a good session today after some subpar experiences. However, I am on a quest to check out as many casas as possible and today it was the turn of Dulce Companias on Cra 45,57-55. 6 chicas in the presentation. Vanessa looks delicious and ripe for a punt but I decided to go with the one who looked most eager and friendly, Camilla. She was no looker and would certainly be avoided by the discerning mongers on this board but off to the habitacion we were. Disrobing revealed small tits that have seen better days but otherwise nice body with firm round non-augmented ass. She did not disappoint and enthusiastically explored the kamasutra with me. This was followed by a decent full body massage. One hour, COP 75,000. The room was small and there was no hot water. Some time ago I questioned a fellow punter on this board as to whether he really took cold showers in Medellin, well, I did today, brrr.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2277770]Due to the high level of flakiness with Colombian women, I read that inviting multiple girls to meet at one time can work in your favor for dates. Would the same go for Prepagos? I would assume the flakiness would be lower since there is money involved, but I'm curious if anyone has any feedback to this? Thanks.[/QUOTE]My experience is the total opposite. That is why in Colombia I have to find time to monger between all the normal chicks that I see. In Colombia I have way more experience with chicks that are not hookers than those that are.

[QUOTE=GMan076;2277680]To be quite honest, I'm not 100% percent sure, as my first 4 day trip to Medellin starts tomorrow. I'm referencing that bit of info from a Youtuber with a channel by the name of "El Paisa, Medellin, Life". He has a 5 minute video entitled "Prostitutes in the city of Medellin. Colombia" where he mentions that top-of-the-line university girls post up there Saturday night only. If you check out the map, you can see that Universidad Pontificia Bolivariana sits right along Avienda 33. This is one of Medellin's larger universities with a student population of 20 K-25 K. I'll likely be checking out the section of 33rd that runs by that University. Once I get back, I'll likely post my findings. Hope this helps![/QUOTE]I look forward to your reviews of Ave 33. I will be staying within walking distance of there in March. I have never been to that district, and will enjoy any & all reviews you have.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2277231]They don't really do a lot of table dancing in the MED clubs, they guys tip them when they come off stage and walk table to table. But in the Centro clubs it'll be about US $26 to take her to the private rooms for sex so that's not bad. About $63 in the more upscale club Fase II and $100 in La Isla Club.

The girls will join you for a drink no problem though.[/QUOTE]Thanks Wolf. I see what you mean. I dropped by Conejitas today at around 11:30 pm and there's no one on the stages. Just girls hanging around. I guess they're just independents that use the bar as a place to sit.

[QUOTE=Combo;2277693]I think the chances of getting HIV are extremely low barebacking with a women. However, warts, herpes, and / or a few others are almost a lock if you do it regularly.[/QUOTE]HPV is very common. There's a stat that says 75% of US adults will get HPV at some point. I've never gotten an STD in Colombia or anywhere where BBFS is not the norm. I did catch the treatable kinds in Angeles City where BB is the norm. So. I'm a little more picky in AC now after this. Like no more Raymond St.

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2277770]Due to the high level of flakiness with Colombian women, I read that inviting multiple girls to meet at one time can work in your favor for dates. Would the same go for Prepagos? I would assume the flakiness would be lower since there is money involved, but I'm curious if anyone has any feedback to this? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Dunno about regular girls but no prepago ever flaked on me. Late yes, but never a flake. I've only done one trip to MDE and one Bogota though so my sample size is low (15 or so outcalls). I just wouldn't invite multiple girls man. Be a good person. If they don't show up at some point just say hey if you don't get here in 30 min I'm going to do something else. It's not your fault they're late, so they'll understand if you cancel. They'll usually keep you up to date on the road if they're late.

[QUOTE=GMan076;2277680]To be quite honest, I'm not 100% percent sure, as my first 4 day trip to Medellin starts tomorrow. I'm referencing that bit of info from a Youtuber with a channel by the name of "El Paisa, Medellin, Life". He has a 5 minute video entitled "Prostitutes in the city of Medellin. Colombia" where he mentions that top-of-the-line university girls post up there Saturday night only. If you check out the map, you can see that Universidad Pontificia Bolivariana sits right along Avienda 33. This is one of Medellin's larger universities with a student population of 20 K-25 K. I'll likely be checking out the section of 33rd that runs by that University. Once I get back, I'll likely post my findings. Hope this helps![/QUOTE]Well, now that I know where on Calle 33 you're planning on going, I can save you a trip. There's nothing on Calle 33 at UPB worth your time. There's some cheap restaurants, Medellin's only laundromat and not far away is a block full of barbers and hairdressers. The night clubs are further away to the east and it's not an area where gringos typically go.

On the other side of UPB is Carrera 70 and you get a lot of college students at the bars and clubs there, but good luck finding anyone on 33.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2277709]I was determined to get a good session today after some subpar experiences. However, I am on a quest to check out as many casas as possible and today it was the turn of Dulce Companias on Cra 45,57-55. 6 chicas in the presentation. Vanessa looks delicious and ripe for a punt but I decided to go with the one who looked most eager and friendly, Camilla. She was no looker and would certainly be avoided by the discerning mongers on this board but off to the habitacion we were. Disrobing revealed small tits that have seen better days but otherwise nice body with firm round non-augmented ass. She did not disappoint and enthusiastically explored the kamasutra with me. This was followed by a decent full body massage. One hour, COP 75,000. The room was small and there was no hot water. Some time ago I questioned a fellow punter on this board as to whether he really took cold showers in Medellin, well, I did today, brrr.[/QUOTE]You get used to the cold showers after about 10 days. At least the Medellin water isn't too cold. Try taking a cold shower in a submarine that's in 37° water north of the Arctic circle.

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2277770]Due to the high level of flakiness with Colombian women, I read that inviting multiple girls to meet at one time can work in your favor for dates. Would the same go for Prepagos? I would assume the flakiness would be lower since there is money involved, but I'm curious if anyone has any feedback to this? Thanks.[/QUOTE]You have much to learn grasshopper.

If there's money involved the girls will be flaky. They can't find a babysitter, or their mother is sick, or a friend borrowed their phone, or, or, or.

Colombians don't have a strong sense of time. Paisas are worse about this than the rest of Colombians. If girl is 45 minutes away by taxi and you have insisted she show up at 2 pm, at 2:15 she's just getting ready to leave and if you're lucky she'll show up at 3 or 3:15.

The problems with scheduling multiple girls at the same time are:

1. It's unlikely any of them will show up on time.

2. It's likely they will all show up late, within 10 to 15 minutes of each other and someone is going to be blowing up your phone because she needs you to pay for her taxi. Now you've got a scene in the lobby to deal with.

People who have established contacts often keep a dependable girl on standby. Someone who is prompt and reliable. Then they set up with a new girl and give a maybe to the other girl. If the new girl flakes, a quick message to the dependable girl and you're set.

Girls are going to flake on you. Trying to anticipate this will bring you problems that you're probably not prepared to deal with.

I managed it by stretching my window and being specific. If I wanted a girl to show at 2 pm, I told her 1 or 1:30. I also told her to be on time, because I was very busy. 15 minutes before the time I told her, I'd hit her on WhatsApp to find out if she's on the way. Occasionally 1 would show up at the time I said, meaning she was early. Usually they would show up 30 minutes to an hour later, meaning they were on time.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2277938]You get used to the cold showers after about 10 days. At least the Medellin water isn't too cold. Try taking a cold shower in a submarine that's in 37 water north of the Arctic circle.[/QUOTE]Have you done that? No way. The coldest showers I've had were on my very first mongering trip which was to Amsterdam at a hostel during winter. I find Medellin cold water quite cold. Isn't it coming from the mountains?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2277945]..............Colombians don't have a strong sense of time. Paisas are worse about this than the rest of Colombians. If girl is 45 minutes away by taxi and you have insisted she show up at 2 pm, at 2:15 she's just getting ready to leave and if you're lucky she'll show up at 3 or 3:15......................[/QUOTE]My solution is easy. If I want them at my place at 4.00 pm I tell them be here by 3. They generally arrive when I want them to.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2277938]You get used to the cold showers after about 10 days. At least the Medellin water isn't too cold. Try taking a cold shower in a submarine that's in 37 water north of the Arctic circle.[/QUOTE]There is an infinite supply of hot, fresh water on nuclear submarines. It comes from low pressure distillation using waste heat from the nuclear plant. After condensation the water is about 180 deg F. It is heated by electricity, of which there is also essentially an infinite supply. If you had a cold shower on board, it's because something was broken. Or because you weren't turning the right knob.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2278093]There is an infinite supply of hot, fresh water on nuclear submarines. [/QUOTE]He definitely was not on my boat. SSN673. He must have been on one of the old diesel boats. I knew a lot of ISG guys were older, but damn!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2278123]He definitely was not on my boat. SSN673. He must have been on one of the old diesel boats. I knew a lot of ISG guys were older, but damn![/QUOTE]SSBN 727 Blue crew. You guys must have been some of those forward pukes. I was one of the fucking nukes.

I know all about the potable water system and the distillation units. I was the guy who made that "infinite" supply of water and that infinite electricity too. Unfortunately, A division doesn't always let M division know when they're working on the water heater. And the water coming out of the potable water tanks is just about the same temperature as the seawater.

Heck, you guys probably always stood 6 on and 12 off, unlike me, almost always on 6 and 6.

Trip report for my visit to Medellin and Bogota from 1/15-1/20.

FYI: My Spanish is very limited and this was my first trip to Colombia.

Day 1 : Landed early morning and did an early checkin at my AirBnB in Park Lleras. Then showered, rested, had lunch and went for a walk around Park Lleras. Pretty dead during weekday daytime. Wandered around some more got familiar with the place and went back to my room. In the evening park Lleras got busy, lot of tourists and some working girls walking around. Had a few beers, took whatspp of a very cute semi pro girl for later and did some people watching. At 10 pm called Uber and headed for La Isla. It was Tuesday night. There were 2 stunners and a few good looking girls. Decided to start the trip with a stunner. Had a drink with one of stunners and headed for the room. 300.000 mil for 45 minutes. Girl was a 10 but session was subpar. Got back to my hotel and started contemplating calling the semi pro, but was still stored from the flight and called it a day.

Day 2: Flight to Bogota - $56. Landed in afternoon, checked in the hotel in financial district and went for stroll around Santa Fe while it there was still daylight to get a feel for the place. Went to Atunes, Troyo, Paisa and California club. Also walked around the streets doing "8". There were all kinds of girls. Fair, dark, young, old, healthy and unhealthy. It was not my thing. Did not like this place. Went back to hotel, freshened up, had a few beers and dinner. At 10 pm decided to visit pussy house. As soon as I sat at the table a very cute 19 year old stopped by trying to chat. I told her my Spanish is very limited. She said no problem. Sat at my table, we had few drinks. Total party girl. Communicated using google translate. Took her to the room. The rooms has no shower and were not very clean. I do not like places without shower and crash clean bedsheets and towels. Was thinking of calling it off but the girl was too hot and based on the time spent in the bar I knew this was going to be a GFE. So decided to go ahead with it. Only banged her in missionary and doggie, ensuring no part of body except knees and palms touched the bed. Wipes myself thourougly with antiseptic wipes I carrying afterwards. The girl was good, session was GFE but the room just killed the mood.

Day 3 : Did touristy things around Bogota and took flight back to Medellin in evening. Rested a bit after getting back and decided to visit Fase Dos at 10 pm. Liked it. There were some pretty girls. Got a table with drinks, several girls stopped by but turned them down. Then a pretty 20 year stopped by. Asked her to join me for drinks. Communicated through googke translate. Took her to room. 190.000 mil for 45 minutes. Rooms were clean with fresh beds, towels and shower. Session was good, which was expected based on chemistry in the bar. She gave me her WhatsApp and said she could come over all night next day for drinks, dance and sex all night. I told her I will ping her. Left the fase and went back to park Lleras. Ate a light snack and then headed to Gusto night club. It was 1:30 am at this time. When I entered there was some pros and semi pros at the bar. They started flirting, smiling, winking etc. Did I mention I am good looking, muscular, clean and always well dressed. Anyway, started chatting with a very cute fair blonde hair semi pro using translate. She hung out with me till bar closing time of 4 am all the while dancing and rubbing against me. After getting it of Gusto, she asked me to go over to another club she knew that was open all night. But I was tired from the Bogota flight and fase session, so declined. She gave me her WhatsApp and asked to hang out next day.

Day 4 : Rented a bike and did Guatape during the day. The ride was beautiful with many small villages and good food. All day long the girl from Gusto was messaging, upset that I did not invite her to Guatape. I told her I will see her at night in Gusto. At 10 pm, headed back to Fase. Got a table and drinks. Turned some girls down who stopped by. Then a cute 20 year stopped by. Asked her to join for drinks. Good chemistry and I knew this would be a good session. 190.000 mil for 45 minutes. Total GFE session. She gave me her WhatsApp with the same deal that she could come spend the whole night with me at my hotel. Left Fase and checked my phone. The girl from Gusto had been messaging saying she is waiting for me in Gusto. Had a light snack and headed to Gusto. This was Friday night. The place was packed. Met the girl and she was still complaining about Guatape. I told her she can come with me to park Arvi the next day. Frank and danced with her till the bar closing at 4 am. It was raining outside. She said she had brought her car. So we drive to my room in her car. Has sex. Full GFE till 7 in morning. She said she has to leave but asked me to ping when I was ready to go to park Arvi, she said she will bring her car. She did not ask for Monday, but I gave her 250.000 mil for the time spent with me over last 2 nights. I was not going to see her again, wanted to try different girl on my last day.

Day 5 : went to park Arvi alone. The cable ride is beautiful. Stroller around san Domingo on the way back. Had few beers and went back to room to rest. Saw messages from Gusto girl and told her I could not see her today and that I was leaving the next day, at night went back to Fase Dos. Same routine banged a hot one for 190.000 mil. GFE. Went back to Gusto after that. Picked a hot semi pro, drank and danced with her till 4 am. Took her back to room. Had sex till 6 am. My flight back was at noon. So pretty much took shower, had breakfast and left for airport.

Suggestions:

My Spanish is sub par, but I did enjoy the trip. If your Spanish is good, your chances go up considerably.

If you are good looking. Gusto is a good spot to pick hot college student semi pros.

Colombia is cheap. I did everything I wanted without giving a thought to the price and this still turned out to be a cheap vacation. Don't nickel and dime your trip. Enjoy it, if you are traveling all the way.

I did not do the FB/Tinder/SA thing. I suggest, leave it to the pros who are good at Spanish, otherwise you would be spending a lot of time wooing someone with no success. If you are good looking you will easily score with semi pros in Gusto and nightclubs.

[QUOTE=Monger234;2278316]At 10 pm, headed back to Fase. Got a table and drinks. Turned some girls down who stopped by. Then a cute 20 year stopped by. Asked her to join for drinks. Good chemistry and I knew this would be a good session. 190.000 mil for 45 minutes. Total GFE session. She gave me her WhatsApp with the same deal that she could come spend the whole night with me at my hotel.[/QUOTE]Great reports. How much did the Fase 2 chicks want for all night?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2278374]Great reports. How much did the Fase 2 chicks want for all night?[/QUOTE]Between 350.000 to 450.000 mil. But if I would have taken that route, I am sure all three of them would have agreed at 350.000 mil.

I've been spending too much time in Cali cause its cheap and easy. So here goes. I Hope that Mango's Disco is still rockin'. Lets share a beer. BF.

[QUOTE=Monger234;2278316]Day 3 : Did touristy things around Bogota and took flight back to Medellin in evening. Rested a bit after getting back and decided to visit Fase Dos at 10 pm. Liked it. There were some pretty girls. Got a table with drinks, several girls stopped by but turned them down. Then a pretty 20 year stopped by. Asked her to join me for drinks. Communicated through googke translate. Took her to room. 190.000 mil for 45 minutes. Rooms were clean with fresh beds, towels and shower. Session was good, which was expected based on chemistry in the bar. She gave me her WhatsApp and said she could come over all night next day for drinks, dance and sex all night. I told her I will ping her. Left the fase and went back to park Lleras. Ate a light snack and then headed to Gusto night club. It was 1:30 am at this time. When I entered there was some pros and semi pros at the bar. They started flirting, smiling, winking etc. Did I mention I am good looking, muscular, clean and always well dressed. Anyway, started chatting with a very cute fair blonde hair semi pro using translate. She hung out with me till bar closing time of 4 am all the while dancing and rubbing against me. After getting it of Gusto, she asked me to go over to another club she knew that was open all night. But I was tired from the Bogota flight and fase session, so declined. She gave me her WhatsApp and asked to hang out next day.

Day 4 : Rented a bike and did Guatape during the day. The ride was beautiful with many small villages and good food. All day long the girl from Gusto was messaging, upset that I did not invite her to Guatape. I told her I will see her at night in Gusto. At 10 pm, headed back to Fase. Got a table and drinks. Turned some girls down who stopped by. Then a cute 20 year stopped by. Asked her to join for drinks. Good chemistry and I knew this would be a good session. 190.000 mil for 45 minutes. Total GFE session. She gave me her WhatsApp with the same deal that she could come spend the whole night with me at my hotel. Left Fase and checked my phone. The girl from Gusto had been messaging saying she is waiting for me in Gusto. Had a light snack and headed to Gusto. This was Friday night. The place was packed. Met the girl and she was still complaining about Guatape. I told her she can come with me to park Arvi the next day. Frank and danced with her till the bar closing at 4 am. It was raining outside. She said she had brought her car. So we drive to my room in her car. Has sex. Full GFE till 7 in morning. She said she has to leave but asked me to ping when I was ready to go to park Arvi, she said she will bring her car. She did not ask for Monday, but I gave her 250.000 mil for the time spent with me over last 2 nights. I was not going to see her again, wanted to try different girl on my last day.

Day 5 : went to park Arvi alone. The cable ride is beautiful. Stroller around san Domingo on the way back. Had few beers and went back to room to rest. Saw messages from Gusto girl and told her I could not see her today and that I was leaving the next day, at night went back to Fase Dos. Same routine banged a hot one for 190.000 mil. GFE. Went back to Gusto after that. Picked a hot semi pro, drank and danced with her till 4 am. Took her back to room. Had sex till 6 am. My flight back was at noon. So pretty much took shower, had breakfast and left for airport.

Suggestions:

My Spanish is sub par, but I did enjoy the trip. If your Spanish is good, your chances go up considerably.

If you are good looking. Gusto is a good spot to pick hot college student semi pros.

Colombia is cheap. I did everything I wanted without giving a thought to the price and this still turned out to be a cheap vacation. Don't nickel and dime your trip. Enjoy it, if you are traveling all the way.

I did not do the FB/Tinder/SA thing. I suggest, leave it to the pros who are good at Spanish, otherwise you would be spending a lot of time wooing someone with no success. If you are good looking you will easily score with semi pros in Gusto and nightclubs.[/QUOTE]Good report and thanks for sharing. BTW the chicas could almost give a shit how good looking you are, as long as your clean, smell good and not a dick-head attitude and a few pesos whamm your like a god to them. Face it buddy these are just working girls needing pesos.

Just my 2 pesos, jajajaja.

The Tall Man.

Is 400 k the night still the normal at fasa? When I was at there back in September most chicas wanted at least 600 k for the night and didn't want to come down, so let them go. But found one chica that agreed at 400 k last minute, it was 4 am and but she was also a very friendly girl. So I started to wonder if the price had gone up or it was just my lack of Spanish aka tourist price. I didn't struck 400 k again the following two nights at fasa. It also makes sense if you think about it, if a girl can make almost 190 k for 45 min (minus room charge probably) why would she go for 400 k a night unless it is 4 am.

Anyways I am preparing to go back with basic Spanish and drop google translation so we'll see if it will have an effect on the charge.

[QUOTE=Monger234;2278466]Between 350.000 to 450.000 mil. But if I would have taken that route, I am sure all three of them would have agreed at 350.000 mil.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jayson01;2278588]It also makes sense if you think about it, if a girl can make almost 190 k for 45 min (minus room charge probably) why would she go for 400 k a night unless it is 4 am.[/QUOTE]The problem with this is that you are assuming that she can make the 190K for 45 min at will, which is not the case. Sometimes she may get customers and sometimes she may not. 400K for the night looks damn good if you have not had any customers. If you were able to get 10 customers during your shift, then maybe not.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2278597]The problem with this is that you are assuming that she can make the 190K for 45 min at will, which is not the case. Sometimes she may get customers and sometimes she may not. 400K for the night looks damn good if you have not had any customers. If you were able to get 10 customers during your shift, then maybe not.[/QUOTE]The other issue is at 4 am the night is basically over. At 400 k, she's getting double what most girls are getting for maybe 1 hour more.

The one time a girl quoted me 400 k for all night at 4 am I just laughed.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2278597]The problem with this is that you are assuming that she can make the 190K for 45 min at will, which is not the case. Sometimes she may get customers and sometimes she may not. 400K for the night looks damn good if you have not had any customers. If you were able to get 10 customers during your shift, then maybe not.[/QUOTE]Right there are many factors involved. But common sense tells me a hot girl will prioritize making a quick 400 k at the scene before considering leaving with you at 400 k when the night is still young. I remember every time I opened a conversation with a chica they were are quick to point to the room at 190 k but not so much leaving for 400 k.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2278570]Good report and thanks for sharing. BTW the chicas could almost give a shit how good looking you are, as long as your clean, smell good and not a dick-head attitude and a few pesos whamm your like a god to them. Face it buddy these are just working girls needing pesos.

Just my 2 pesos, jajajaja.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Some working girls give a shit about how good-looking you are. Some don't.

[QUOTE=Jayson01;2278638]Right there are many factors involved. But common sense tells me a hot girl will prioritize making a quick 400 k at the scene before considering leaving with you at 400 k when the night is still young. I remember every time I opened a conversation with a chica they were are quick to point to the room at 190 k but not so much leaving for 400 k.[/QUOTE]Again that's assuming she gets multiple customers at the club, which may or may not happen. They don't get too keep all of the 190 k you pay in the club (I forget the breakdown). If a girl can get 400 k free and clear, she's having a hell of a night. A lot of the Colombian guys will socialize with the girls for a long time and not actually session.

[QUOTE=Jayson01;2278638]I remember every time I opened a conversation with a chica they were are quick to point to the room at 190 k but not so much leaving for 400 k.[/QUOTE]That is called hope! I guess around 4 am hope goes home with everybody else and is replaced by 400K.

Anyone ever brought little $20-40 gifts in from the states for barter? Perfume, body lotions, whatever. I et asked for them once in awhile from girls. Thoughts?

Punters,

Working on my FB pool and few have so far 'refused' to come to Mansion to meet or for session. I didn't bring it up (as I have ABNB) but those were their pre-req (per say).

Off course assuming they are 'banned' from there, is this a potential flag to be concerned about?

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2278757]Anyone ever brought little $20-40 gifts in from the states for barter? Perfume, body lotions, whatever. I et asked for them once in awhile from girls. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]Good for tips and rewards for good performance over and above the required payment.

I go to Pink or Vic Secrets and get panties they are really cheap (5 for $29) and the girls love them. It's also a good way to get their pants off. Also I was in VS and they had some body sprays for $3. 50 so it is another thing to bring.

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2278757]Anyone ever brought little $20-40 gifts in from the states for barter? Perfume, body lotions, whatever. I et asked for them once in awhile from girls. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MushElvii;2278908]Punters,

Working on my FB pool and few have so far 'refused' to come to Mansion to meet or for session. I didn't bring it up (as I have ABNB) but those were their pre-req (per say).

Off course assuming they are 'banned' from there, is this a potential flag to be concerned about?[/QUOTE]No. Could be many reasons.

Protip: forget about the mansion if you're already doing FB and have airbnb.

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2278757]Anyone ever brought little $20-40 gifts in from the states for barter? Perfume, body lotions, whatever. I et asked for them once in awhile from girls. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]I know many guys that do it but I am not one to do it. If I have a girlfriend and she needs something then that is different, because I can get it way cheaper on Amazon or Ebay than there. But I don't bring random shit for hookers. That is what money is for. And it packs better too. I already have a bag full of shit that I need. I don't have space for shit to give to random chicks in order to make myself feel good inside. I pack one carry-on 22 inch suitcase and a backpack with 8 days worth of clothes. If I go bringing extra shit, especially liquids, I would need more bags and be forced to check bags in. Not my style.

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2278757]Anyone ever brought little $20-40 gifts in from the states for barter? Perfume, body lotions, whatever. I et asked for them once in awhile from girls. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]Yeah I do, a unexpected gift can help get a GFE session in my opinion.

Plus I see some girls from the last trips and they are happy to get a gift.

I have bought cheap outfits from [URL]https://www.wish.com/[/URL] (order early, ships from China).

And I take a few makeup kits to give away to the ones I like a lot.

These are only $15:

[URL]https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017Y5YVM6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1[/URL]

LOL. Kudos!! Thats some hardcore preplanning. It for sure wil drop their panties. And upgrade your session (s) quality.

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2278938]I go to Pink or Vic Secrets and get panties they are really cheap (5 for $29) and the girls love them. It's also a good way to get their pants off. Also I was in VS and they had some body sprays for $3. 50 so it is another thing to bring.[/QUOTE]

Sometimes I give them granola bars when I have extras.

[QUOTE=MushElvii;2279032]LOL. Kudos!! Thats some hardcore preplanning. It for sure wil drop their panties. And upgrade your session (s) quality.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MushElvii;2278908]Punters,

Working on my FB pool and few have so far 'refused' to come to Mansion to meet or for session. I didn't bring it up (as I have ABNB) but those were their pre-req (per say).

Off course assuming they are 'banned' from there, is this a potential flag to be concerned about?[/QUOTE]Girls get banned from the Mansion for lots of reasons. Rumor has it that some girls have been banned for refusing to give freebies to the owners. Others because a regular customer complained. All it means is that one person, who has a reputation for being somewhat temperamental, decided to ban them.

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2278757]Anyone ever brought little $20-40 gifts in from the states for barter? Perfume, body lotions, whatever. I et asked for them once in awhile from girls. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]For barter? You're not buying Manhattan off the natives for beads. It's not a barter system. They can't pay rent or buy food with a bottle of perfume. And there aren't many working girls out there who are in the business just hoping to get some gift from the US.

$20-$40 gifts? You need to get adjusted to the local economy. Maybe some $3-$5 gifts to hand out, if you really feel the need to pay extra. Or just give them extra cash.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2278570]Good report and thanks for sharing. BTW the chicas could almost give a shit how good looking you are, as long as your clean, smell good and not a dick-head attitude and a few pesos whamm your like a god to them. Face it buddy these are just working girls needing pesos.

Just my 2 pesos, jajajaja.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]I would say Some do care how you look like and some don't. There is a higher chance that if she doesn't think you're attractive she will give you mechanical sex and just want's to finish as quick as possible. When she's attracted to you, that can make the whole world of a difference. So it depends on the girl.

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2277770]Due to the high level of flakiness with Colombian women, I read that inviting multiple girls to meet at one time can work in your favor for dates. Would the same go for Prepagos? I would assume the flakiness would be lower since there is money involved, but I'm curious if anyone has any feedback to this? Thanks.[/QUOTE]IMO, that's a dick move. To us it all fun and games, to them it's their livelihood. And while most are not what we would call professional in their punctuality or flakiness, it's still how they feed themselves.

If you book a girl and she flakes, don't book her again. And if she reaches out, tell her the reason you are no longer interested. Always have plan be ready, but double booking is wrong IMO. There are many guys with no class or decency that will do this often, but what happens when they both show up? One will be pissed and hopefully all she does is leave peacefully. Think of how that can go wrong and then decide if you would want to deal with that.

BTW- I have had 2 no call / no shows in 8 trips, so a high flakiness rate may be a reflection of the person it happens to.

[QUOTE=Monger234;2278316]Met the girl and she was still complaining about Guatape. I told her she can come with me to park Arvi the next day.... She said she has to leave but asked me to ping when I was ready to go to park Arvi, she said she will bring her car.... I was not going to see her again, wanted to try different girl on my last day....

Day 5 : went to park Arvi alone. [/QUOTE]I think you are a newbie, but here's some advice. Don't make appts that you have no intention of keeping. It's a dick move.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2278570]BTW the chicas could almost give a shit how good looking you are, as long as your clean, smell good and not a dick-head attitude and a few pesos whamm your like a god to them. Face it buddy these are just working girls needing pesos.[/QUOTE]They are not just working girls, they are women first. And every woman prefers to be with / fuck a good looking guy over an average or below average looking guy. Yes, they will still fuck the normal looking guys because it's how they put food on the table, but like any other woman, a good looking guy will get their motor going. I've heard of good looking guys getting freebies from hookers. I'm not a good looking guy so I can't say but have friends who have had it happen to them.

Put yourself in their shows. If you were banging avg / fat / ugly women for a living and then a good looking woman came over. You think you wouldn't be better with her?

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2278757]Anyone ever brought little $20-40 gifts in from the states for barter? Perfume, body lotions, whatever. I et asked for them once in awhile from girls. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]As gifts or to use as payment for sessions? I usually bring some lingerie, thongs, bras, outfits for my regulars to wear for our sessions. But they are gifts, not sure how trying to barter sex for some Walmart hand lotion will go.

[QUOTE=KainNYC;2277327]Anyone in Medellin looking to join a mongering party let me know. Happy mongering gentlemen.[/QUOTE]What do you mean by a mongering party? Ill be there during those days. Holla.

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2278757]Anyone ever brought little $20-40 gifts in from the states for barter? Perfume, body lotions, whatever. I et asked for them once in awhile from girls. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]I went to Costco and bought a 20 pack of nice Venus razors and gave them out to all the girls I saw when down in the Dominican Republic. I did this because someone on this board said that a little gift like that would be well appreciated. For the most part, the girls all happily accepted the gifts, but none of them seemed to care all that much.

I like to bring gifts but for selfish reasons. A few vibrators, lingerie sets, & other toys make for a few fun sessions. Then they can keep them when done. The photos / videos are a gift for me.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2279084]For barter? You're not buying Manhattan off the natives for beads. It's not a barter system. They can't pay rent or buy food with a bottle of perfume. And there aren't many working girls out there who are in the business just hoping to get some gift from the US.

$20-$40 gifts? You need to get adjusted to the local economy. Maybe some $3-$5 gifts to hand out, if you really feel the need to pay extra. Or just give them extra cash.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=MushElvii;2278908]Punters,

Working on my FB pool and few have so far 'refused' to come to Mansion to meet or for session. I didn't bring it up (as I have ABNB) but those were their pre-req (per say).

Off course assuming they are 'banned' from there, is this a potential flag to be concerned about?[/QUOTE]All the girls that I know that have been banned from the mansion have been banned for three things.

1) Fighting with the other girls or creating a hostile work environment for other chicks.

2) Stealing from customers or other chicks working there.

3) Lying and cheating customers by telling guys they meant 150 dollars instead of 150 mill pesos, etc.

When a chick is banned from the mansion she can not enter the hotel even when you invite her. Sometimes a girl will no longer be invited to work at the Mansion because guys complain about her service. But that doesn't mean she is banned. If you invite her in she will be able to visit you in the Mansion even though the Mansion doesn't deem her as worthy of working there.

I have had to talk to the owners before to see if a chick that was banned for fighting could stay with me there. And they let her stay with me. But if the chick gets caught stealing they never let them set foot in the place again.

So I've been staying at the San Peter Apartments in Laureles. Its in a nice area, reception doesn't really bother me with girls, just checks their ID, but the bed and wifi is terrible. I also want to try staying in Poblado for a change.

I've recently found a studio apartment right on the street next to poblado park on cr. 43. This would mean total freedom in terms of who goes and comes. No ID checks, no receptionist, no security as the guy who rents them doesn't in Medellin. It seems to be in a decent part of town. The girls I see are facebook girls mostly whom I trust to an extent, so I don't think I need reception or security. The guy who rents them seems to be anti prostitutes but what's to stop me from saying their just guests, since guests are allowed and theres no one to check otherwise. Does anyone have experience with these street level apartments?

Hi guys,

First time posting and finally pulled the trigger and booked my trip.

I'll be in MDE from Feb 4 - 11, anybody want to have a drink and share information and stories? I know other countries and locations but MDE will be my first trip.

Salud.

[QUOTE=ILuvThePussy;2279228] Does anyone have experience with these street level apartments?[/QUOTE]Yes they are not as safe as having a security guard register her. When a hotel asks for your guests ID its for YOUR safety. They will even tell you that as they register her if you ask them why its necessary. That way anything goes sideways the cops will know who was in there with you.

There's a story from a year ago, or thereabouts, of a guy being murdered in one of those street level apartments with no security. The chica he was with let her boyfriend in and things went south. He was stabbed if I remember correctly.

Just be careful.

EDIT:

I couldn't find the original story but here's one from January last year: https://thebogotapost.com/corpse-suitcase-found-nearby-medellins-hotspot-lleras/26632/

Alright fellas this is my first time alone in Mde. I will be staying in Parque Lleras area. I have been to mde several times but never Venture out really. I will be there from Feb 7th-10th. I'm interested in visiting Fase dos, La Isla and any other spots you suggest. I will be avoiding El Centro. As well. I will do the tourist thing during the day and mongering at night. Any suggestions are more then welcome. If you want to join me as well you are welcome LOL just don't get us locked up or killed LOL.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2279258]Yes they are not as safe as having a security guard register her. When a hotel asks for your guests ID its for YOUR safety. They will even tell you that as they register her if you ask them why its necessary. That way anything goes sideways the cops will know who was in there with you.[/QUOTE]They even ask for YOUR ID when you check in. And you think they should let some random hooker in and out without knowing who they are? And what amazes me is that hookers will still do crazy shit knowing the people have a copy of their ID or even the actual ID. Many a chick in Thailand have been caught that way.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2279258]Yes they are not as safe as having a security guard register her. When a hotel asks for your guests ID its for YOUR safety. They will even tell you that as they register her if you ask them why its necessary. That way anything goes sideways the cops will know who was in there with you.

There's a story from a year ago, or thereabouts, of a guy being murdered in one of those street level apartments with no security. The chica he was with let her boyfriend in and things went south. He was stabbed if I remember correctly. [/QUOTE]Yeah. Probably won't be doing that anymore.

I remember that case of the guy getting murked by confederates of a girl he brought in. A good tip is to be selective about girls you bring into your personal space, be it an apartment, hotel room, or whatever. The hotels register visitors for everyone's protection. Everyone means you, the hotel, and other guests. Some girls are bad enough that they will take advantage of being in the hotel to commit all manner of crimes of opportunity.

Nothing personal, but I laughed out loud when I read the bit about facebook girls being safer or more reliable.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2279258]Yes they are not as safe as having a security guard register her. When a hotel asks for your guests ID its for YOUR safety. They will even tell you that as they register her if you ask them why its necessary. That way anything goes sideways the cops will know who was in there with you.

There's a story from a year ago, or thereabouts, of a guy being murdered in one of those street level apartments with no security. The chica he was with let her boyfriend in and things went south. He was stabbed if I remember correctly.

Just be careful.

EDIT:

I couldn't find the original story but here's one from January last year: https://thebogotapost.com/corpse-suitcase-found-nearby-medellins-hotspot-lleras/26632/[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PaisaPorFavor;2279188]I like to bring gifts but for selfish reasons. A few vibrators, lingerie sets, & other toys make for a few fun sessions. Then they can keep them when done. The photos / videos are a gift for me.

.[/QUOTE]I always bring a couple of toys to have fun with the ladies and improve the quality of the performance. I am always amazed at how "selfish" the local guys are. Wham bam thank you ma'am without caring the least about whether the girl is enjoying herself. To me it seems pretty obvious that the hornier the girl is, the better the session. And let's face it guys, there's no way we can compete with them little engines!

Not sure my wallet could take giving a vibrator to every single chica though.

[QUOTE=Baudelairemod;2279389]I always bring a couple of toys to have fun with the ladies and improve the quality of the performance. I am always amazed at how "selfish" the local guys are. Wham bam thank you ma'am without caring the least about whether the girl is enjoying herself. To me it seems pretty obvious that the hornier the girl is, the better the session. And let's face it guys, there's no way we can compete with them little engines!

Not sure my wallet could take giving a vibrator to every single chica though.[/QUOTE]There are sex shops all over town. I'm still taken aback when I see a chica that looks 16 working behind a showcase full of dildos LOL.

[QUOTE=Baudelairemod;2279389]I always bring a couple of toys to have fun with the ladies and improve the quality of the performance. I am always amazed at how "selfish" the local guys are. Wham bam thank you ma'am without caring the least about whether the girl is enjoying herself. To me it seems pretty obvious that the hornier the girl is, the better the session. And let's face it guys, there's no way we can compete with them little engines!

Not sure my wallet could take giving a vibrator to every single chica though.[/QUOTE]This is all part of doing your own thing. Somewhere out there there's a guy who brings along a complete Mrs. Doubtfire costume for girls to wear, because that's his thing. Guys bring shoes or pantyhose, or lingerie, or bondage gear. It's whatever they need to get the most enjoyment out of their sessions.

You bring toys to use, but it's not really for the girls. It's part of what you enjoy. I understand. You get more pleasure when they get more pleasure. These aren't gifts or barter items, they're part of the person's desires. It all fits in with trying to normalize the encounter. Note that "normal" varies from person to person.

Bringing gifts is another attempt to make it seem more normal. You don't often meet a girl and immediately start fucking. You talk, flirt, go out and do something, spend a bit of money and time and then comes the payoff. That's all difficult when your Spanish sucks and you feel uncomfortable in public with a girl 30 years younger. So, you pour them a drink, give them a couple of little gifts and now it seems normal.

If this works for you, I'm all in favor of it. Even if you're one of the guys buying motos and apartments for the girls. If it means you wake up happy, then it's worth a few guys whining that you're spoiling the market.

I do gifts differently. If I had a great time, which requires more than good sex, then I might invite her back for something longer. Maybe a shopping trip to buy her something to wear and not just something for my enjoyment. Maybe dinner and a movie, or something nice for her kids. My reasoning is, if I give her something to convince her to show me the best time, then I'm committed to that routine with her every time, and she'll start to expect it from others. But, if she gives me her best without expecting a bonus, then a reward might be in order.

If you're a business owner, look at it like this:

You don't give bonuses before the performance evaluation, you give them after.

However, loading up your suitcase with cheap (to you) crap, hoping to trade it for sex is demeaning. These are people. People with the same needs as you. They just have a difficult time meeting those needs. Ever try to feed a baby with a bottle of body lotion? Ever try to use lingerie as blankets? If you're wanting to trade something for sex, make it something they can use, like cash.

[QUOTE=ILuvThePussy;2279228]So I've been staying at the San Peter Apartments in Laureles. Its in a nice area, reception doesn't really bother me with girls, just checks their ID, but the bed and wifi is terrible. I also want to try staying in Poblado for a change.

I've recently found a studio apartment right on the street next to poblado park on cr. 43. This would mean total freedom in terms of who goes and comes. No ID checks, no receptionist, no security as the guy who rents them doesn't in Medellin. It seems to be in a decent part of town. The girls I see are facebook girls mostly whom I trust to an extent, so I don't think I need reception or security. The guy who rents them seems to be anti prostitutes but what's to stop me from saying their just guests, since guests are allowed and theres no one to check otherwise. Does anyone have experience with these street level apartments?[/QUOTE]I've been staying in San Peter Apartments too, never had an issue with the beds, but the WiFi really does suck. I cannot get any work done remotely while I am there, but I love the location. I will be going back in Feb. I am addicted to MDE LOL.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2277932]Well, now that I know where on Calle 33 you're planning on going, I can save you a trip. There's nothing on Calle 33 at UPB worth your time. There's some cheap restaurants, Medellin's only laundromat and not far away is a block full of barbers and hairdressers. The night clubs are further away to the east and it's not an area where gringos typically go.

On the other side of UPB is Carrera 70 and you get a lot of college students at the bars and clubs there, but good luck finding anyone on 33.[/QUOTE]JjBee62 is right, I went to a night spot on Calle 33 with a chica I know there, and I was the only gringo in the spot. I got many looks. No one started any trouble, but.

I definitely wouldn't go back by myself.

Has anybody been to the gangbang parties in Medellin? I saw these listed on World travelers map and contacted a few, but not sure how safe and fun they are.

[QUOTE=LikeItTight;2279252]Hi guys,

First time posting and finally pulled the trigger and booked my trip.

I'll be in MDE from Feb 4 - 15, anybody want to have a drink and share information and stories? I know other countries and locations but MDE will be my first trip.

Salud.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Queens35;2279115]IMO, that's a dick move. To us it all fun and games, to them it's their livelihood. And while most are not what we would call professional in their punctuality or flakiness, it's still how they feed themselves.

If you book a girl and she flakes, don't book her again. And if she reaches out, tell her the reason you are no longer interested. Always have plan be ready, but double booking is wrong IMO. There are many guys with no class or decency that will do this often, but what happens when they both show up? One will be pissed and hopefully all she does is leave peacefully. Think of how that can go wrong and then decide if you would want to deal with that.

BTW- I have had 2 no call / no shows in 8 trips, so a high flakiness rate may be a reflection of the person it happens to.[/QUOTE]True. These girls have numerous commitments, obligations, children to have looked after, etc. What if the baby sitter, who may herself have commitments, does not show? They want the money more than you want the p...y. If they could be on time they would. They need to be given some slack.

[QUOTE=LikeItTight;2279252]Hi guys,

First time posting and finally pulled the trigger and booked my trip.

I'll be in MDE from Feb 4 - 11, anybody want to have a drink and share information and stories? I know other countries and locations but MDE will be my first trip.

Salud.[/QUOTE]I will be there from the 7th to the 18th. We could meet up.

[QUOTE=IguanaSix;2275971]I recommend that you get the DVD collection of the telenovela "La Munecas de La Mafia," the one with subtitles. The actresses are gorgeous, a lot of it was filmed in Medellin and Bogota, the storyline is good, the production values are excellent. You will learn the local dialect and idioms. Oh, did I mention the actresses are gorgeous?)[/QUOTE]Oh crap, mine doesn't have subtitles. LOL The intro music is kinda annoying, but you're right about those actresses. Wow!

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2279407]There are sex shops all over town. I'm still taken aback when I see a chica that looks 16 working behind a showcase full of dildos LOL.[/QUOTE]One of those things that nearly everybody does, but most people are shy about. Ask them questions and they explain everything to a T without batting an eye.

[QUOTE=Queens35;2279115]IMO, that's a dick move. To us it all fun and games, to them it's their livelihood. And while most are not what we would call professional in their punctuality or flakiness, it's still how they feed themselves.
If you book a girl and she flakes, don't book her again. And if she reaches out, tell her the reason you are no longer interested. Always have plan be ready, but double booking is wrong IMO. There are many guys with no class or decency that will do this often, but what happens when they both show up? One will be pissed and hopefully all she does is leave peacefully. Think of how that can go wrong and then decide if you would want to deal with that.
[/QUOTE]Nice post and you are right. None of us want to be treated as if we deserve to be taken advantage of but that goes both ways and if an otherwise decent girls misses on a payday it's a big deal. The worst that can happen to us if a date does not work out is we delay our gratification for a few hours. We can be decent people in this process. Once I make a date and set a time I always explain that I am done communicating with other girls and will not change my plans but that she has to stay in touch and communicate. If she disappears or projects to be hours late I have canceled. We have fall backs like casas by day or strip clubs at night so there is no need to panic. Yes, nice to have a girl at the apartment and something more like a real date but double booking is cheap.

In December a girl I really wanted to see said she was on her way but would not have data on her phone. So I was waiting on her knowing that I was going to be out of touch and in the dark until she hopefully arrived. Waiting. Waiting. An hour or more after she was supposed to arrive I had given up but then get a long string of messages from her that had clearly been in cue waiting on an internet connection to send from her phone to mine. I looked and see a taxi parked down stairs. The girl in the taxi was not my girl, but she was attractive and obviously arriving for a date. My first thought was that my girl sent a friend in her place. I was confused but thought but was kind of cool. Then two people started talking to us out of a second story window. They came downstairs. Turns out my girl was upstairs with a guy who had been downstairs waiting on his girl to arrive. He has seen my taxi wondering around slowly and thought my girl was his and took her upstairs. His girl was being sent by a girl he knew so he didn't know what she looked like. My girl knew there was a mistake and waited there with him until she could get a message to me. Long story short, good thing I had not double booked or sent a derogatory message cutting off communication because we had an awesome time.

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2279496]I looked and see a taxi parked down stairs. The girl in the taxi was not my girl, but she was attractive and obviously arriving for a date. My first thought was that my girl sent a friend in her place. I was confused but thought but was kind of cool. Then two people started talking to us out of a second story window. They came downstairs. Turns out my girl was upstairs with a guy who had been downstairs waiting on his girl to arrive.[/QUOTE]Man that is some funny shit. Like something from a movie scene.

[QUOTE=Baudelairemod;2279389]I always bring a couple of toys to have fun with the ladies and improve the quality of the performance. I am always amazed at how "selfish" the local guys are. Wham bam thank you ma'am without caring the least about whether the girl is enjoying herself. To me it seems pretty obvious that the hornier the girl is, the better the session. And let's face it guys, there's no way we can compete with them little engines!

Not sure my wallet could take giving a vibrator to every single chica though.[/QUOTE]How do you know the local guys are selfish?

[QUOTE=Combo;2279518]How do you know the local guys are selfish?[/QUOTE]The local guys are there to pay to fuck and cum. Foreigners are there to pay to try to please the hooker by making her cum and showering her with gifts and tips.

Since traveling to Medellin. 1 Too many guys have a need to understand why girls participate in the activity of selling their body to earn money, I see it as a job and if you can not deliver on the job or deliver what you market, you should not be working or marketing. If you can not be on time, you deserve to loose money and customers. Too many gringos settle for subpar service as a result of making themselves believe that are steal receiving a good deal. I am a contract type of guy and if you can not meet the terms of our agreement, then why should I pay you or honor your "Cita?" I don't, and I don't have to see you again, there are far too many girls in Medellin to be negotiating with one, if she flakes, move on, trust me, it does not get better and behavior is habitual. 2. If you bring the right gifts, you can barter many items for sex, do no allow anyone on this board to tell you different. For example: you want to get some exciting sex and only pay cab fee, bring a girl a somewhat new Samsung or Iphone, and it does not have to be up to date, it just has to look new and function well, many of the girls in Centro and Vera Cruz will definitely trade sex for nearly new J3- J5 or J7 phone, it does not have to be the flagship Galaxy S5-S9's, I have done it many times. 3. Last but not least, unless I am the luckiest monger on this side of the planet, the best place and deals to monger are in Centro. If you listen to any on this board that says different, they are bold face lying, scared, or acted out of character and revealed that they were targets of being robbed. I am in no way the biggest or baddest guy on the planet, but I did travel to Medellin 17 times last year. I stayed in Centro each time, and not one time was I robbed, harmed, or afraid to go to Vera Cruz to pick up a girl to take back to my room. Many guys will send you out to Poblado and Laureles and other areas to keep you away from centro because the best rates and the easiest girls are found right there in Centro. If you want to spend more money, have a false sense of security, and depend on people who prey on overcharging gringos. Go right ahead to Poblado, Laureles and everywhere else, I will continue to return to Centro, where the girls are plentiful and the prices are cheap. Remember this, those who have to most to lose will always stir you away from where the gold is by using fear tactics and trying to convince you that a particular place is bad. I had to learn this the hard way and finally came to terms that many mongers on the board want all of the Gems for themselves. I believe in treating people the same way that I am treated, if I don't work, then I don't eat, that philosophy alone has save me much money and much heart ache, to each his own, I just wanted to chime in for any potential guys who may want to travel to Medellin and not be overcharged by establishments in over saturated areas of gringos like Poblado and Laureles. Many on the board have never been to a so called "bad area" in the US, let alone Centro after dark. Thats just my two cent on recent posts on the board with so much warning literature, most of it is hype and geared to drive you to places that over charge gringo's unnecessarily. Pollonegro is out. See You in March Medellin.

I am lucky I was not eating or drinking when I read this because I laughed so hard I would have spit all over my screen. This funny as hell and often very true.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2279523]The local guys are there to pay to fuck and cum. Foreigners are there to pay to try to please the hooker by making her cum and showering her with gifts and tips.[/QUOTE]

I'm not doing it every session just a few. They are so cheap on aliexpress. A luvkis mini vibrator is $6 and avidlove sets are less than $9 as well. Just something to spice up a few sessions between casa runs.

[QUOTE=Baudelairemod;2279389]I always bring a couple of toys to have fun with the ladies and improve the quality of the performance. I am always amazed at how "selfish" the local guys are. Wham bam thank you ma'am without caring the least about whether the girl is enjoying herself. To me it seems pretty obvious that the hornier the girl is, the better the session. And let's face it guys, there's no way we can compete with them little engines!

Not sure my wallet could take giving a vibrator to every single chica though.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Combo;2279518]How do you know the local guys are selfish?[/QUOTE]Very good question. But who even cares what the locals do? Culturally, the chicas and chicos know their roles.

My general impression is that the chicas are content when they've made you cum and you walk away happy. If you want extras, you negotiate that into the price of the service most of the time. As far as trying to figure out what is in their head, I don't bother. These girls do this for a living so I don't know if they are acting or serious unless they really let me know by doing something unusual. After all, in the casas, at least, it's like an assembly line. I love new pussy but if I find one or two in a casa that give me exceptional service that is what is important to me.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2279258]Yes they are not as safe as having a security guard register her. When a hotel asks for your guests ID its for YOUR safety. They will even tell you that as they register her if you ask them why its necessary. That way anything goes sideways the cops will know who was in there with you.[/QUOTE]I have stayed at the same hotel several times now in Medellin. They register the girl and call me upstairs in my room to get my approval to let her up and to let me know she is coming. A couple of times I was downstairs waiting, usually not. I always ask the front door to call me when they see 'he'are getting ready to leave, like in the elevators (cameras in halls / lobby / elevators) or as they approach the exit- My main hotel front desk person there usually calls and says, in Spanish: 'Just seeing if you need anything sir. ' If I am missing something I can have her stopped. If I don't answer they will stop her and check on me (so they say--its never happened). You get the idea.

I have never had a problem, and I am always sure to very casually mention, either as she is checking in at the front desk, or at some point when I can, in a sly way, that the hotel does this. When they knock at the door I always ask if everything was smooth when 'she' registered. If I am standing with her while she registers I comment about how they will call to check on me when she leaves and how they can be 'strict' there. I go with some variation of, 'they can be kinda strict or crazy here--last year when I had another friend over, they even called me when they saw her on camera in the hallway when she was leaving to make sure all was good with me. Anyway, you look great, I'm so happy to see you'.

Just another little subtle way to be protected.

This hotel does not charge any fee unless 'she' is in the room after 10 pm (or maybe 9? Even if it is just a few minutes. But, before then: no charge.

Best way to not have a chica problem (imo) communicate clearly before she arrives! And: be nice. Don't squabble over a few bucks--that doesn't mean just acquiesce to some nonsense or her attempts to extract more than previously communicated about before she arrived-but a couple of times, I had to 'let it go' when my instincts felt 'this one' could turn into a loose cannon or drama--those never get seen again. Some of the smooth flow girls sometimes get call backs. Have some wine / snacks to offer and be clean. Upon check in, I ask the hotel to remove any mini-bar items / ottles of wine etc that they provided to the room--so she can't help herself to them and then I get charged some silly price. AND never pay upfront! ONLY pay at the end of the session! If she has a problem with that, tell her she can walk--she won't-unless you're being a dick. (imo).

On another note here's a report from my trip just after new years for 1 week:

I had some nice luck with a few strip club babes.

Most strip club chicks I try to see out of the club offer me 500 COP TLN. That seems, for me, to be the going rate. Last one I took out was an unbelievable babe from Luna Lunera. Honestly, just gorgeous, sexy, easy going, compliant, GFE--a dream for me. She was present and into it--def. Didn't feel like acting. 24, single mom of a 3 year old. No baby damage at all-another advantage of strip club chicks compared to facebook or tinder and even some casa chicks. Curvy but slim and fit.

Sessioned for an hour at the club for 250 k including the pretty nice large room with clean sheets nice clean shower and a couch --good scene all they way around--smooth and easy and safe. One interesting note: they took her phone when we 'registered' (aka when I paid) for the room. She said it was to make it so we couldn't arrange for to meet outside the club. Having been there before: A. I took her number and put it into my phone -without saying it out loud (in case they we were listening LOL.) AND what was the point of taking her phone but not mine? LOL! And be: I brought a small piece of paper with my Whatsapp and nothing else written on it. As we were leaving and in our final kiss / embrace before leaving, I showed it to her and she hid it to take it with her. I felt we really connected and they didn't call to make me leave until 70 minutes which was cool since we were making out and hitting my vape pen / chatting a bit at the end of a great session. I showed up there at 1130 ish and left just around 1 AM. Had a nice long chat outside with a security guy from the club for about 20 minutes-the girl was with us for about 2-3 of it and then she thanked me, hugged me, kissed on the cheek and said goodbye--we in NO WAY hinted that we would try and see each other again when we were out of the room--and she made sure to remind me to be discreet when we left the room so we acted like it was cool, but whatever. Pretty chill and cool people. Security guy then walked me to a taxi at the sidewalk and wished me well. She was so coy / cold outside the room, I kinda felt that maybe she was just going to throw out my Whatsapp paper and I wasnt going to see her again.

The next day at about 3 pm I got a Whatsapp message from her! YES! I didn't call 1st--she was into it! . or she just wanted some cash and had some free time LOL. I responded pretty quickly, with 'I was hoping to hear from you-I didn't want to seem desperate so I was waiting to message you. ' I then asked if she had to go to the club to work tonight or if she wanted to have fun with me.

We set it up for that night at 8 pm. I let her know, if she wanted earlier --I will be ready for her. At 630 I messaged her that I was thinking of her and to ask if she wanted me to get anything for her (food / drink etc) She said: she is coming soon without acknowledging my offer to get stuff. A little confusing. She showed up at 745 pm and left at about 10 the next morning. It was pretty much anything goes and we spent more time horizontally and active--the horizontal mambo as I call it. Than I could have hoped for! I came a few times, so did she. We slept for maybe 2-3 hours. I had some hummus, spanikopitas, falafel, tahini etc -all new to her but she ate and enjoyed. Also some juice, candles, music, chocolates, cookies, whip cream we had fun with and a cool ambiance. We drank a good bit, and smoked a bunch of weed. Great time!

I gave her 500 COP, plus another 40 for her taxis. Than I threw in another 60 k just because / tip / I hope to see her again / the 20 bucks on top just felt like what I wanted / the right thing. She was happy, so was I, and I am sure we will party again-I hope more than one night on my next trip.

A couple of Tinder hotties. One a true solid 10 dream girl named SARA that visited me was a fitness model and was literally perfect looking. She insisted on 50 k propina for oral sin condom (BBBJ) but she was so hot it was worth it. She cost me 370 in all for 3 ish hours, 2 cums and a 3rd attempt (I was dry). (300 base, taxi for 20 and 50 for bbbjcimtc) pricey, but my god, she was just unbelievably perfect-I didn't think she would show up looking like the perfect pictures and she exceeding anything I could have hoped for. She has over 100 k followers on instagram--I found that out when she showed me, in between rounds of great sex! Sorry, she asked me not to share her info with anyone. We messaged quite a bit for 2-3 days on Whatsapp before she agreed to come over.

The other was an 8 in looks and an 8 in service. (for me) she got on my dick so fast upon arrival LOL I needed just some more foreplay, but, she just stared swallowing my dick without a rubber on without us even discussing it, out on the balcony, mid bong hit during intro small talk- she just grabbed me, pulled it out and went right for it- right outside on the balcony fully dressed. LOL anyway, we agreed on 250 k for her to show up. I blew 2 loads, she stayed just over 2 hours. I gave her 275- 25 k for the taxi and 250 agreed rate -and she seemed happy.

Also had a great session at one of the centro strip clubs -tiny, young, hot little black chick at 430 pm. 2 loads released for 60 k plus 10 k propina. At first, I wasn't going to f*ck her but she insisted LOL! I came fairly quick in that tight pussy! Multiple positions, and I was finished in 10-15 minutes. Surprised how easy she made me cum with a condom on! We snuggled for a few, making out, and her caressing my balls. Then she got me hard again and fantastic BBBJCIMTC with rim job and amazing ball sucking-she took every drop and drained me good. Told me she had a baby when she was like 15 or something and was now 20 I think?? A tiny bit of post baby tit sag but otherwise no baby damage. She was TINY but fantastic attitude and service. I left as it wsa getting dark, just about 6 pm and straight to the metro with no problem. She offered me 500 k TLN but I didn't have any other nights. I will poke around and hope to find her next time I am in Medellin.

Luna Lunera girl was my favorite overall and the sexiest to me. Casa strip club girl was such an amazing value and super fun.

Already booked the next trip for 10 days in late June / July.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2279547]Since traveling to Medellin. 1 Too many guys have a need to understand why girls participate in the activity of selling their body to earn money, I see it as a job and if you can not deliver on the job or deliver what you market, you should not be working or marketing. If you can not be on time, you deserve to loose money and customers. Too many gringos settle for subpar service as a result of making themselves believe that are steal receiving a good deal. I am a contract type of guy and if you can not meet the terms of our agreement, then why should I pay you or honor your "Cita?" I don't, and I don't have to see you again, there are far too many girls in Medellin to be negotiating with one, if she flakes, move on, trust me, it does not get better and behavior is habitual. 2. If you bring the right gifts, you can barter many items for sex, do no allow anyone on this board to tell you different. For example: you want to get some exciting sex and only pay cab fee, bring a girl a somewhat new Samsung or Iphone, and it does not have to be up to date, it just has to look new and function well, many of the girls in Centro and Vera Cruz will definitely trade sex for nearly new J3- J5 or J7 phone, it does not have to be the flagship Galaxy S5-S9's, I have done it many times. 3. Last but not least, unless I am the luckiest monger on this side of the planet, the best place and deals to monger are in Centro. If you listen to any on this board that says different, they are bold face lying, scared, or acted out of character and revealed that they were targets of being robbed. I am in no way the biggest or baddest guy on the planet, but I did travel to Medellin 17 times last year. I stayed in Centro each time, and not one time was I robbed, harmed, or afraid to go to Vera Cruz to pick up a girl to take back to my room..[/QUOTE]Haha. *Drops the mic and exits stage right*. Great post. Thanks for the info!

What are the best online sites and if you do list can you recommend some girls? Thanks!

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2279547]Since traveling to Medellin. 1 Too many guys have a need to understand why girls participate in the activity of selling their body to earn money, I see it as a job and if you can not deliver on the job or deliver what you market, you should not be working or marketing. If you can not be on time, you deserve to loose money and customers. Too many gringos settle for subpar service as a result of making themselves believe that are steal receiving a good deal. I am a contract type of guy and if you can not meet the terms of our agreement, then why should I pay you or honor your "Cita?" I don't, and I don't have to see you again, there are far too many girls in Medellin to be negotiating with one, if she flakes, move on, trust me, it does not get better and behavior is habitual. 2. If you bring the right gifts, you can barter many items for sex, do no allow anyone on this board to tell you different. For example: you want to get some exciting sex and only pay cab fee, bring a girl a somewhat new Samsung or Iphone, and it does not have to be up to date, it just has to look new and function well, many of the girls in Centro and Vera Cruz will definitely trade sex for nearly new J3- J5 or J7 phone, it does not have to be the flagship Galaxy S5-S9's, I have done it many times. 3. Last but not least, unless I am the luckiest monger on this side of the planet, the best place and deals to monger are in Centro. If you listen to any on this board that says different, they are bold face lying, scared, or acted out of character and revealed that they were targets of being robbed. I am in no way the biggest or baddest guy on the planet, but I did travel to Medellin 17 times last year..[/QUOTE]It's worth pointing out that a Samsung J3 used, goes for 100-200 k in Medellin. You're bartering a $60 phone for $30 pussy. And you're paying cab fare on top of that.

I need a trip like yours. And I'm going to look up Luna strip club. Any more details you can provide there? I will be there in 10 days thanks.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2279611]I have stayed at the same hotel several times now in Medellin. They register the girl and call me upstairs in my room to get my approval to let her up and to let me know she is coming. A couple of times I was downstairs waiting, usually not. I always ask the front door to call me when they see 'he'are getting ready to leave, like in the elevators (cameras in halls / lobby / elevators) or as they approach the exit- My main hotel front desk person there usually calls and says, in Spanish: 'Just seeing if you need anything sir. ' If I am missing something I can have her stopped. If I don't answer they will stop her and check on me (so they say--its never happened). You get the idea..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2279547]Since traveling to Medellin. 1 Too many guys have a need to understand why girls participate in the activity of selling their body to earn money, I see it as a job and if you can not deliver on the job or deliver what you market, you should not be working or marketing. If you can not be on time, you deserve to loose money and customers. Too many gringos settle for subpar service as a result of making themselves believe that are steal receiving a good deal. I am a contract type of guy and if you can not meet the terms of our agreement, then why should I pay you or honor your "Cita?" I don't, and I don't have to see you again, there are far too many girls in Medellin to be negotiating with one, if she flakes, move on, trust me, it does not get better and behavior is habitual............................[/QUOTE]As with all aspects of life there will always be different approaches as there are different types of people. I am unable to be cold and calculating and am always accommodating. Of course I will be taken advantage of, that's life, but I will not change. I see myself as being very privileged in relation to these girls. However, I've not always been this well off. I have been down there and experienced starvation and deprivation. When I was down I was actually pushed further down by women, so called respectable women; on the other hand I was also helped by women, one of whom was actually a prostitute.

Many mongers look down on working girls and think of them as morally inferior (what a warped mental state!). I do not see them as morally inferior to other women. However, I do have a higher regard for them than many of the NGO women who are trying to 'save' them.

With regards to my relationship with them I do not see it as akin to a legal contract of offer, acceptance and execution ruled by market forces and cut and dry with respect to time and remuneration. I see it as very flexible and somewhere between a binding contract and a tryst, but closer to the latter. I have enjoyed forty plus years in this hobby due in no small measure to my aforementioned approach.

What are the best clubs to bring my working girls to? If for example I have 3 chicks with me what club would be the best for this? Don't want to go to a normal club with couples and what not, then show up with 3 WG.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2279611]I always ask the front door to call me when they see 'he'are getting ready to leave, like in the elevators (cameras in halls / lobby / elevators) or as they approach the exit- My main hotel front desk person there usually calls and says, in Spanish: 'Just seeing if you need anything sir. ' If I am missing something I can have her stopped. If I don't answer they will stop her and check on me (so they say--its never happened). You get the idea.[/QUOTE]What is with the code words? In the Philippines they just call your room and ask if it is okay for the girl to leave.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2279678]It's worth pointing out that a Samsung J3 used, goes for 100-200 k in Medellin. You're bartering a $60 phone for $30 pussy. And you're paying cab fare on top of that.[/QUOTE]Then if you fuck the same chick twice do you give her another phone or what? One of the failures of a bartering system is that what either party is bargaining with may be worth more or less than what they are getting in return. That is why people came up with money, so they can adjust the "price" of the trade. Plus as I said before you can travel with it easier.

People are known for stealing out of bags when going to and from Latin America. That is why you see those plastic wrapping places. Then you end up paying for more luggage because you are bringing a bunch of shit. Then you end up running afoul of Customs when they see you with 10 phones. Why not keep it simple?

Hi guys,

I am glad a sparked a conversation but I think my original words might have been misinterpreted. I will try to reply individually to everyone who was kind enough to weigh in.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2279409]This is all part of doing your own thing. Somewhere out there there's a guy who brings along a complete Mrs. Doubtfire costume for girls to wear, because that's his thing. Guys bring shoes or pantyhose, or lingerie, or bondage gear. It's whatever they need to get the most enjoyment out of their sessions.

You bring toys to use, but it's not really for the girls. It's part of what you enjoy. I understand. You get more pleasure when they get more pleasure. These aren't gifts or barter items, they're part of the person's desires. It all fits in with trying to normalize the encounter. Note that "normal" varies from person to person.

I do gifts differently. If I had a great time, which requires more than good sex, then I might invite her back for something longer. Maybe a shopping trip to buy her something to wear and not just something for my enjoyment. Maybe dinner and a movie, or something nice for her kids. My reasoning is, if I give her something to convince her to show me the best time, then I'm committed to that routine with her every time, and she'll start to expect it from others. But, if she gives me her best without expecting a bonus, then a reward might be in order.[/QUOTE]I agree 100% with what you've said. I bring toys because this is what gets me off. I do not do it because I'm under some sort of delusion that by doing that I'm somehow less of a monger. The girl's pleasure is there purely to enhance mine and not to make me feel better. I am one of those guys who isn't really able to get into it if the girl isn't a bit too. It seems to me that you are by far a much better person in the sense you actually care about their personal lives and don't mind improving them within reason. I simply don't have that level of empathy. I will always respect the girls and be a gentleman with them because that is how I was brought up but I will not get involved enough to do any of the above. I have enough drama and "real" dates back at home that I wouldn't appreciate a watered down Colombian version. Also I don't care.

[QUOTE=Combo;2279518]How do you know the local guys are selfish?[/QUOTE]Because quite a few (if not the majority) girls have told me so. And trust me, they weren't trying to flatter me or anything. Quite a few said it in a derogatory way as something almost less manly. Maybe it's just a direct result of where these girls come from. I doubt there is much room for romance and similar stuff when your first worry when you wake up is how you're going to feed yourself and your family. Perhaps girls of a higher social extraction (and perhaps more westernized) are different. To be clear I'm talking about whatever novio they're banging on the side not local punters.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2279523]The local guys are there to pay to fuck and cum. Foreigners are there to pay to try to please the hooker by making her cum and showering her with gifts and tips.[/QUOTE]How nice it must be to have all the answers. If your idea of a good time is to get a girl in a room and come as quickly as possible, then that's your choice. No need to be sarcastic. Using a dildo in a session doesn't equal to showering a girl with gifts and trips. Maybe you were talking in a more general sense but I assure you that's not what I (or any seasoned monger for that matter) do.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2279553]Very good question. But who even cares what the locals do? Culturally, the chicas and chicos know their roles.

My general impression is that the chicas are content when they've made you cum and you walk away happy. If you want extras, you negotiate that into the price of the service most of the time. As far as trying to figure out what is in their head, I don't bother. These girls do this for a living so I don't know if they are acting or serious unless they really let me know by doing something unusual. After all, in the casas, at least, it's like an assembly line. I love new pussy but if I find one or two in a casa that give me exceptional service that is what is important to me.[/QUOTE]Very true. Who cares what the locals do. I say live and let live. There are clearly very different personalities and way to approach mongering. As long as we can all agree on not pushing the rates up, everyone should be able to do whatever they prefer without feeling judged.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2279678]It's worth pointing out that a Samsung J3 used, goes for 100-200 k in Medellin. You're bartering a $60 phone for $30 pussy. And you're paying cab fare on top of that.[/QUOTE]For the board, I never once mentioned how long the girl stays for the phone, plus, I am always into business. If I only pay $50 us for a J3 (which I frequently do) & I keep the girl for 6 to 8 hours, do I look like a fool afterwards? Many mongers forget its up to them to set the terms of the deal that they are negotiating. A cell phone is the most valuable item a girl in Medellin can have. You'd be surprised at how many girls I have given phones to, even after a year in medellin, these girls still have these phones on & communicate with me daily, same number & all. I fully understand if you're a "casa guy! " the phone is a horrible trade (JjBee) but rarely do I ever take a girl & not keep her all day. That's just my tactic. Thanks to you Mr. E, I have tightened up my mongering game and see it for what it is, they are doing a job & we are paying, therefore I want work to be done & completed to my satisfaction or no second "Cita! " When I hit any of the clubs or Vera Cruz in Centro, the girls are klinging on me for a date, but you better best believe I obtain everything I want from the deal before bringing the girl back to my room. Not one date have I had in over a year, do I not have photos, videos, & all 3 holes, or no more "Cita! ". I took a big note from you Mr. E, these girls are not making a guaranteed $300-$500 mil pesos daily in Veracruz & centro. So if I'm guaranteeing that amount, I get what I desire out of the deal. To each their own, but I love when guys post about these girls & the girls feelings, and why the sell themselves, its not my concern. They never offer money back & always seem to be broke the next day. Figure that bullsht out? We both get opportunities in the deal, what they are? Are things we both feel we need at the time! Pollonegro is out!

[QUOTE=Baudelairemod;2279979]Maybe it's just a direct result of where these girls come from. I doubt there is much room for romance and similar stuff when your first worry when you wake up is how you're going to feed yourself and your family.[/QUOTE]This kind of thing is said in the Dominican Republic thread too. I have yet to see a starving Dominicnan or Colombian. Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos are probably saying the same about us.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2280003]This kind of thing is said in the Dominican Republic thread too. I have yet to see a starving Dominicnan or Colombian. Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos are probably saying the same about us.[/QUOTE]My bad, man. I guess they must be doing it for the love of the dick. Such charitable souls!

[QUOTE=Baudelairemod;2280048]My bad, man. I guess they must be doing it for the love of the dick. Such charitable souls![/QUOTE]No. They do it because it is fast easy money. For some reason a lot of mongers see it as these women are about to starve and have no other choice. To that I say bullshit.

I am in Rio right now with a girl I have known for a couple of years that cleans hotel rooms for a living. Best job? Probably not. But she is not making excuses in order to prostitute herself. As much as I love hookers, I am not fooled into thinking they have no other choice.

A lot of Venezuelans are abroad because their country is fucked up. There are a lot of Venezuelan chicks horing themselves. But I know one Venezuelan chick in Lima that was an engineer in her country but does nails in Peru. I know another that works in an optical shop. I know another that works in a restaurant. Etc. There IS a choice.

I will consider mongers to be charitable souls when they start giving these poor girls money without fucking them. Just walk up to the projects and pass money out if you feel that bad for them.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2280064]No. They do it because it is fast easy money. For some reason a lot of mongers see it as these women are about to starve and have no other choice. To that I say bullshit.

I am in Rio right now with a girl I have known for a couple of years that cleans hotel rooms for a living. Best job? Probably not. But she is not making excuses in order to prostitute herself. As much as I love hookers, I am not fooled into thinking they have no other choice.

A lot of Venezuelans are abroad because their country is fucked up. There are a lot of Venezuelan chicks horing themselves. But I know one Venezuelan chick in Lima that was an engineer in her country but does nails in Peru. I know another that works in an optical shop. I know another that works in a restaurant. Etc. There IS a choice.

I will consider mongers to be charitable souls when they start giving these poor girls money without fucking them. Just walk up to the projects and pass money out if you feel that bad for them.[/QUOTE]Ha I think you've misunderstood me! I don't feel bad about them. I thank geopolitical and global financial inequality every day. Only way we can fuck these gorgeous women and spend so little in the process. But I do get your point that there are other options out there. "Starving" was perhaps a touch too much.

Excellent casa session today. I was walking around downtown and saw a spot that had the casa MO or look so I rang the bell to see and it turned out to be a casa with about 8 girls. Took a spinner. Wanted 25,000 tip for BBBJ. Good head job, licked balls, etc. Pussy was nice and tight. Busted my nutt and kept fucking for about another 10 minutes after I came. This place charged me 45,000 after the deed was done. So in total, it cost me $70,000 for BBBJ and a good fuck.

To many it may seemed cold hearted or uncaring, but let me assure you that I have spent weeks with the same girls over and over and they have made sometimes $300,000 pesos a day off of me. Meaning in a week they have earned over $2,100,000 pesos off of me, and on the 8th day, guess what? They were asking for another "Cita" for a sick baby, sick mom, sick cousin, it's all a game. I don't have to care about why you sell your body especially when I know that the average income is $800,000 pesos a month and you blow through 2 million in one week and ask for more. If I bang your brains out and plug all 3 holes, why should I be concerned about why you got into this business? It's not my concern, I don't ask the girls how they spend the money I pay them, so why should I be concerned with why they entered into this business? Spend your money how you choose, treat the girls how you choose, but don't impose your gullible style on others, if it works for you, fine, but don't expect me to rationalize with why these girls do this type of work. Let me be the first to tell you, I have lost far more money being nice than I have when holding people accountable. One thing about me is this, I will only see girls through other girls, meaning, even if she is knew, she knows what to expect, because the last girl will tell her what I like and what I expect during our "Cita!" You have to be in a fairy tale if you do not think these girls do not know each other and talk to each other. Imagine that I have spent $2-$3 million pesos a week with one or two girls, you better best to believe that they have told their friends how much they made, then the friend wants in as well. Same process the media uses to entice the less fortunate into believing that they need that "$500" pair of sneakers. Trust me, it works. When I see guys post about not getting BBBJs or paying extra for that, trust me, find the right girls, spend the right amount and you will get what you want in Medellin. Spend $13 dollars for a quickie and that's exactly what you get, a quickie. I usually get everything on the board and then some, I don't mind spending extra to get what I want, but I'm never asking a girl why does she sell her body, my statement is "Just sell it to me sometimes! LOL, Pollonegro is out.

Terrific report, speaking for the membership, we are happy you got your balls licked. With all due respect an address would make your report worth the time it takes to read it. Without that, it's of little use to anyone.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2280084]Excellent casa session today. I was walking around downtown and saw a spot that had the casa MO or look so I rang the bell to see and it turned out to be a casa with about 8 girls. Took a spinner. Wanted 25,000 tip for BBBJ. Good head job, licked balls, etc. Pussy was nice and tight. Busted my nutt and kept fucking for about another 10 minutes after I came. This place charged me 45,000 after the deed was done. So in total, it cost me $70,000 for BBBJ and a good fuck.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2280084]Excellent casa session today. I was walking around downtown and saw a spot that had the casa MO or look so I rang the bell to see and it turned out to be a casa with about 8 girls. Took a spinner. Wanted 25,000 tip for BBBJ. Good head job, licked balls, etc. Pussy was nice and tight. Busted my nutt and kept fucking for about another 10 minutes after I came. This place charged me 45,000 after the deed was done. So in total, it cost me $70,000 for BBBJ and a good fuck.[/QUOTE]Do you remember the address?

Been doing lots of casas. My plan is to do all the reported ones and unreported as well whenever I can get valuable info on them such as an address. Decided to check out Tantra for the first time. It has been favorably reported on here before and I do believe it was not in existence during my previous trip to Medellin in 2017. I was indeed disappointed by the line up. Only 6 girls were presented to me and not the quality that I expected based on the reports. I chose Juliana, a 7 in my estimation, who was good enough but did have some baby damage, apparently recent. The facilities I would say are on par with that of Energy. COP 130 for the hour. Do not let me discourage punters from visiting this casa for tastes differ and mongers may disagree with my rating of the women and also I may just have gone on a bad day or, indeed, the better chicas may have been servicing clients. I do not know how many rooms there are nor did I encounter any other customers. Juliana did tell me that the place is frequented by many foreigners. Did I say the facilities are great?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2280064]No. They do it because it is fast easy money. For some reason a lot of mongers see it as these women are about to starve and have no other choice. To that I say bullshit.
[/QUOTE]The experienced ones always have a story: son needs an operation, I lost my job and debt payments are due. Only they were saying that three years ago as well. The son got an operation. The debts were paid. Now the same story is used to continue earning extra cash.

You'll find they are either very savvy and investing this money or too lazy to work a normal job.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2280064]No. They do it because it is fast easy money. For some reason a lot of mongers see it as these women are about to starve and have no other choice. To that I say bullshit. [/QUOTE]This is true.

Colombia is not a desert land with a famine outbreak. Anywhere where there local business running, there will be enough to sustain yourself and put food on the plate. But is it as well paid as horing? To me most hookers are just lazy gold diggers, just make sure you don't go broke first. IF you really want to help poor people then google "kids dying of hunger in Yemen" and help, now that's really being generous.

[QUOTE=Jayson01;2280135]This is true.

Colombia is not a desert land with a famine outbreak. Anywhere where there local business running, there will be enough to sustain yourself and put food on the plate. But is it as well paid as horing? To me most hookers are just lazy gold diggers, just make sure you don't go broke first. IF you really want to help poor people then google "kids dying of hunger in Yemen" and help, now that's really being generous.[/QUOTE]You have a choice between making 700 k a month doing a "normal" job or making that in a few sessions. I'm not sure most of us, at least when we were 20 years old, wouldn't make the same decision.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2279547]Since traveling to Medellin. 1 Too many guys have a need to understand why girls participate in the activity of selling their body to earn money, I see it as a job and if you can not deliver on the job or deliver what you market, you should not be working or marketing. If you can not be on time, you deserve to loose money and customers. Too many gringos settle for subpar service as a result of making themselves believe that are steal receiving a good deal. I am a contract type of guy and if you can not meet the terms of our agreement, then why should I pay you or honor your "Cita?" I don't, and I don't have to see you again, there are far too many girls in Medellin to be negotiating with one, if she flakes, move on, trust me, it does not get better and behavior is habitual. 2. If you bring the right gifts, you can barter many items for sex, do no allow anyone on this board to tell you different. For example: you want to get some exciting sex and only pay cab fee, bring a girl a somewhat new Samsung or Iphone, and it does not have to be up to date, it just has to look new and function well, many of the girls in Centro and Vera Cruz will definitely trade sex for nearly new J3- J5 or J7 phone, it does not have to be the flagship Galaxy S5-S9's, I have done it many times. 3. Last but not least, unless I am the luckiest monger on this side of the planet, the best place and deals to monger are in Centro. If you listen to any on this board that says different, they are bold face lying, scared, or acted out of character and revealed that they were targets of being robbed. I am in no way the biggest or baddest guy on the planet, but I did travel to Medellin 17 times last year. I stayed in Centro each time, and not one time was I robbed, harmed, or afraid to go to Vera Cruz to pick up a girl to take back to my room. Many guys will send you out to Poblado and Laureles and other areas to keep you away from centro because the best rates and the easiest girls are found right there in Centro. If you want to spend more money, have a false sense of security, and depend on people who prey on overcharging gringos. Go right ahead to Poblado, Laureles and everywhere else, I will continue to return to Centro, where the girls are plentiful and the prices are cheap. Remember this, those who have to most to lose will always stir you away from where the gold is by using fear tactics and trying to convince you that a particular place is bad. I had to learn this the hard way and finally came to terms that many mongers on the board want all of the Gems for themselves. I believe in treating people the same way that I am treated, if I don't work, then I don't eat, that philosophy alone has save me much money and much heart ache, to each his own, I just wanted to chime in for any potential guys who may want to travel to Medellin and not be overcharged by establishments in over saturated areas of gringos like Poblado and Laureles. Many on the board have never been to a so called "bad area" in the US, let alone Centro after dark. Thats just my two cent on recent posts on the board with so much warning literature, most of it is hype and geared to drive you to places that over charge gringo's unnecessarily. Pollonegro is out. See You in March Medellin.[/QUOTE]From your lips to gods ears, perfectly said.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2280084]Excellent casa session today. I was walking around downtown and saw a spot that had the casa MO or look so I rang the bell to see and it turned out to be a casa with about 8 girls. Took a spinner. Wanted 25,000 tip for BBBJ. Good head job, licked balls, etc. Pussy was nice and tight. Busted my nutt and kept fucking for about another 10 minutes after I came. This place charged me 45,000 after the deed was done. So in total, it cost me $70,000 for BBBJ and a good fuck.[/QUOTE]You remember the location of it?

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2280084]Excellent casa session today. I was walking around downtown and saw a spot that had the casa MO or look so I rang the bell to see and it turned out to be a casa with about 8 girls. Took a spinner. Wanted 25,000 tip for BBBJ. Good head job, licked balls, etc. Pussy was nice and tight. Busted my nutt and kept fucking for about another 10 minutes after I came. This place charged me 45,000 after the deed was done. So in total, it cost me $70,000 for BBBJ and a good fuck.[/QUOTE]Nice find. Address?

Please help us by reports or tip, too much discussion on other stuff.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2261471]Any GFE that you're paying for is simulated GFE. Or did you think those girls were all really madly in lust with you after you agreed to a price?[/QUOTE]You never want to lose sight of the most important aspects of the GFE.

She isn't really your girlfriend. So there are no long term provisioning requirements for exclusive access to her pussy and no unprotected sex while forgetting to tell you she stopped taking the pill. Jajaja.

[QUOTE=Hank007;2280204]Please help us by reports or tip, too much discussion on other stuff.[/QUOTE]You broke your posting cherry to tell others to post reports?

The problem is reports lead to discussion. And discussion is where you'll learn the really important stuff. Learning how firm some casa girl's tits are, or how good of a BJ she gives isn't going to be much use to you in 3 months. She'll be somewhere else, or pregnant, or both.

However, learning how to interact with Colombia, how to get around, how to treat people, what to avoid, and all the things that get discussed, will always be useful. You'll also learn the different personalities. There's someone here who matches your style. By learning about the guys who discuss everything, you'll figure out which guys are going to have the best advice for you. You'll also figure out who to avoid.

Read the discussion, comment, ask questions and then, when you have some experience to report, write some reports.

[QUOTE=ElMoreno202;2280191]You remember the location of it?[/QUOTE]Not right off hand, but I plan to hit another casa after the gym tomorrow so I'll try to see if I can duplicate the route. I do remember when I came out I was close to New Life. I usually just walk around and see if I see places that have the casa look or someone gives me a little flyer and I check it out.

I took a friend in town from Cali to some of the strip clubs near parque botero a couple of weeks ago and there was some really nice talent. In general, I think the influx of Venezolanas is improving things and when I talk to the Paisas, it's obvious they don't like the competition, but it's great for us. There is a casa I've been to in Prado that has some nice ones and there is a chica with a big ass and two big tattoos on each butt cheek that I've been wanting to smash. If I hit it, I'm going to post some pics of that tatted ass.

Had anyone tried anal sex or sex with two chicas? I know it is normal in Colombia.

For you guys looking for a sexo report read no further.

Got to MDE airport after a long one stop trip. My flight was delayed so a long line at immigration.

I'm working on about one hour sleep so I knew going into tonight it was going to be mostly a take it easy day.

I got a taxi to Centro for 75 K. This was around 4 PM so the traffic was brutal. I felt sorry for the driver so I gave him a extra 5 k. Funny I thought it was a small tip, but he shook my hand as he unloaded my bags.

I checked into the Hotel Nutibara. This is dead in the heart of Centro. The bill was 314 K for 3 nights. A grand old hotel. The room was large with a fridge, and a electronic safe that my laptop fit into. WI FI is strong. I'm not to sure, but I think the desk clerk said no visitors after 6 PM. Had a double burger near the hotel then I checked out the local SW action. More girls than you could count. Mostly low quality. A few I might of took if I was not exhausted at this point.

Next I went to the outside of Maracibo strip club. I didn't go in, but a hustler outside said for 60 K he could get me private girl show.

I then left to hit the hotel bed.

Tomorrow it is off to New Life, and pick a real pretty girl for a BBBJ.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2280353]Not right off hand, but I plan to hit another casa after the gym tomorrow so I'll try to see if I can duplicate the route. I do remember when I came out I was close to New Life. I usually just walk around and see if I see places that have the casa look or someone gives me a little flyer and I check it out.

I took a friend in town from Cali to some of the strip clubs near parque botero a couple of weeks ago and there was some really nice talent. In general, I think the influx of Venezolanas is improving things and when I talk to the Paisas, it's obvious they don't like the competition, but it's great for us. There is a casa I've been to in Prado that has some nice ones and there is a chica with a big ass and two big tattoos on each butt cheek that I've been wanting to smash. If I hit it, I'm going to post some pics of that tatted ass.[/QUOTE]Hey bro,

I've been in Medellin for about a year with a girlfriend but now single and looking to venture the monger side of Medellin. Looking for a veteran to help me out, look like you hit the gym also, hit the gym and then head to some casas. Thanks bro.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2280343]You broke your posting cherry to tell others to post reports?

The problem is reports lead to discussion. And discussion is where you'll learn the really important stuff. Learning how firm some casa girl's tits are, or how good of a BJ she gives isn't going to be much use to you in 3 months. She'll be somewhere else, or pregnant, or both.

However, learning how to interact with Colombia, how to get around, how to treat people, what to avoid, and all the things that get discussed, will always be useful. You'll also learn the different personalities. There's someone here who matches your style. By learning about the guys who discuss everything, you'll figure out which guys are going to have the best advice for you. You'll also figure out who to avoid.

Read the discussion, comment, ask questions and then, when you have some experience to report, write some reports.[/QUOTE]I agree totally. While I appreciate the work posters put into a trip report, most of the useful info comes from discussion, not a blow-by-blow report of boning chicas.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2280353]Not right off hand, but I plan to hit another casa after the gym tomorrow so I'll try to see if I can duplicate the route. I do remember when I came out I was close to New Life. I usually just walk around and see if I see places that have the casa look or someone gives me a little flyer and I check it out.[/QUOTE]If you do find that casa (or any other casa for that matter), you might want to discretely take a pic of the front of the place and / or simply go in there & ask for their info. Also, you might want to check it against World Travel 69's "Map & PDF LIst". It might already be listed there. If not, maybe he (they?) can add it. I found that list indispensable every time I've been in Medellin.

Anyone ever fly or bus a girl into Medellin from a smaller town? I'm talking to one that has been messaging me for weeks, but it seems like I'd be asking for trouble. I don't like the idea of sending money to someone I don't know. It's only 100,000 for bus so I am not risking much, but it makes me uneasy.

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2280798]Anyone ever fly or bus a girl into Medellin from a smaller town? I'm talking to one that has been messaging me for weeks, but it seems like I'd be asking for trouble. I don't like the idea of sending money to someone I don't know. It's only 100,000 for bus so I am not risking much, but it makes me uneasy.[/QUOTE]A friend and I bused two ladies in from Pereira to Medelin. His was ugly and a complete bust. My was almost perfect, but she had that chain and ball of the other one attached to her. Mine got married shortly after that, so I was never able to connect with her again.

You're not risking much, about $33, so why not take the chance? Some risks return great rewards.

Hi,

If you have doubts, why not just buy the ticket. I have done that in other countries and all have turned out well. If she don't turn up, well you have lost the money (but as you said. Not a lot). And you have to risk something to gain something. I would say, go for it.

Chico.

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2280798]Anyone ever fly or bus a girl into Medellin from a smaller town? I'm talking to one that has been messaging me for weeks, but it seems like I'd be asking for trouble. I don't like the idea of sending money to someone I don't know. It's only 100,000 for bus so I am not risking much, but it makes me uneasy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2280798]Anyone ever fly or bus a girl into Medellin from a smaller town? I'm talking to one that has been messaging me for weeks, but it seems like I'd be asking for trouble. I don't like the idea of sending money to someone I don't know. It's only 100,000 for bus so I am not risking much, but it makes me uneasy.[/QUOTE]I've never done it because there are already so many available chicas in Medellin. If I actually met or knew the chica and she was cool, I might do it. The money isn't a big to me but I know it is for them.

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2280798]Anyone ever fly or bus a girl into Medellin from a smaller town? I'm talking to one that has been messaging me for weeks, but it seems like I'd be asking for trouble. I don't like the idea of sending money to someone I don't know. It's only 100,000 for bus so I am not risking much, but it makes me uneasy.[/QUOTE]100,000 for bus? You're getting ripped off before she gets on the bus. Chances are the ticket is less than 30,000, probably less than 20,000. You can fly between most cities in Colombia for 100,000.

There are already girls in Medellin. They will be more than happy to show up without you sending 100 k up front.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2280895]100,000 for bus? You're getting ripped off before she gets on the bus. Chances are the ticket is less than 30,000, probably less than 20,000. You can fly between most cities in Colombia for 100,000.

There are already girls in Medellin. They will be more than happy to show up without you sending 100 k up front.[/QUOTE]Spot on advice, never bother shipping in a chica from outside of Medellin into Medellin, heck that is like bringing sand to the beach, seriously! And yes a bus fare is typically 30 to 60 mil max! Unless your traveling from outside Colombia for gods sake.

For 100 mil I can make one of my 3 or 4 centro girls real happy for 4 to 6 hours and I would be the king, jajajaja.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Kelso1;2280378]For you guys looking for a sexo report read no further.

Got to MDE airport after a long one stop trip. My flight was delayed so a long line at immigration.

I'm working on about one hour sleep so I knew going into tonight it was going to be mostly a take it easy day.

I got a taxi to Centro for 75 K. This was around 4 PM so the traffic was brutal. I felt sorry for the driver so I gave him a extra 5 k. Funny I thought it was a small tip, but he shook my hand as he unloaded my bags.

I checked into the Hotel Nutibara. This is dead in the heart of Centro. The bill was 314 K for 3 nights. A grand old hotel. The room was large with a fridge, and a electronic safe that my laptop fit into. WI FI is strong. I'm not to sure, but I think the desk clerk said no visitors after 6 PM. Had a double burger near the hotel then I checked out the local SW action. More girls than you could count. Mostly low quality. A few I might of took if I was not exhausted at this point.

Next I went to the outside of Maracibo strip club. I didn't go in, but a hustler outside said for 60 K he could get me private girl show.

I then left to hit the hotel bed.

Tomorrow it is off to New Life, and pick a real pretty girl for a BBBJ.[/QUOTE]Great check-in, now let us know how your day 2 goes, AND be sure to not listen to the guys in front of either Barra Executiva or next door at Maricaibo just go in and check out the chicas, if you see something you like the cost is like 70 or 80 mil room included in the bar.

Have fun!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2280798]Anyone ever fly or bus a girl into Medellin from a smaller town? I'm talking to one that has been messaging me for weeks, but it seems like I'd be asking for trouble. I don't like the idea of sending money to someone I don't know. It's only 100,000 for bus so I am not risking much, but it makes me uneasy.[/QUOTE]Sorry but I've actually only done the opposite. I flew a girl from MDE to Cartagena for a couple of days but I had been seeing her at least once a day for a week prior to that. I also knew that Cartagena wasn't really the best or the easiest in terms of quality so decided to bring my own big-titted and big-assed paisa!

As JjBee62 and Tall Man were saying, it seems a bit overkill to get someone over to MDE. Especially if you don't really know her. Also how long would she be coming for? I assume she'd have to stay with you? I am sure that would prevent you from seeing other girls. Unless you're getting her a return ticket for the same day? Seems a bit of a logistical nightmare to be honest. Unless you plan on seeing only her for that time?

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2280798]Anyone ever fly or bus a girl into Medellin from a smaller town? I'm talking to one that has been messaging me for weeks, but it seems like I'd be asking for trouble. I don't like the idea of sending money to someone I don't know. It's only 100,000 for bus so I am not risking much, but it makes me uneasy.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a scam. I have flown girls in that I had already slept with before. I never sent them money but I did purchase the airline ticket online in their name. I don't know if you can purchase a bus ticket and have a girl pick it up at the bus station to get on the bus. But I definitely would not send money to a chick that I did not know personally. Ever.

Hi all,

First time visitor to any mongering destination but have experienced Asian massage parlors, escorts, and college girl sugar babies in the US. Looking for a better bang for my buck combined with an awesome vacation, and stumbled upon choosing Medellin over Sosua or Thailand (mostly due to weather March-October being bad and distance). I'm looking at going in July, but am overly excited and have been trying to research as best I can up front. Keeps me going through the daily corporate America grind I guess.

I think I've stumbled upon a group of independents via a girl on Tinder, but not sure if it's a scam. Found a girl who listed her Instagram and on her Instagram page was a whatsapp number. Hit her up there and she revealed that she offers herself and / or any of about a dozen of her friends and anything else you could need on a trip, but also anything separate that you want is OK. She says $100/ 300 m pesos for 1. 5 hrs per girl or $250 for 6 hours of partying and sex. These girls are smoking hot 10's in the photos she gave me too. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Would I be better off just going to New Life / Aiffe / Fantasia Energy / La Isla / Loutron instead? I can't seem to find the right girls on FB and Tinder seems hit or miss after a few days swiping in Medellin so far. [URL]Photoprepagos.com[/URL] seems a tad sketchy and everyone wants to be paid in advance via credit card and I'm not doing that.

Thank you all!

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2280954]

For 100 mil I can make one of my 3 or 4 centro girls real happy for 4 to 6 hours and I would be the king, jajajaja.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]At some point I'm going to have to go to El Centro with one of you Centro pros.

I have been to El Centro about a dozen times and have never found anything that I would pay to have sex with.

It's not that they are all unfuckable but they are no where near the quality I have already lined up.

But I'm open to being schooled on the subject. If you or anyone else can show me a chick that I really want to fuck.

That charges 100 mill or less. I'll give you 100 mill just for letting me tag along.

[QUOTE=HappyShiva;2280368]Had anyone tried anal sex or sex with two chicas? I know it is normal in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Threesomes: Yes. In brothel's they call it "Lesbian show" and its mostly that. Expect to change condoms as you switch chicas. Haven't barebacked two chicas in a single session yet. It's on my list.

Anal: It is available. It is not normal in Colombia. You're thinking Brazil. If you have a thin cock you can usually get anal. Mine is too wide so only done it a couple of times with a thick condom on. Not my thing. Was offered bareback anal in a Bogota brothel and didn't partake. Somethings are far too fucking risky.

[QUOTE=Eb1989;2281127]Hi all,

First time visitor to any mongering destination but have experienced Asian massage parlors, escorts, and college girl sugar babies in the US. Looking for a better bang for my buck combined with an awesome vacation, and stumbled upon choosing Medellin over Sosua or Thailand (mostly due to weather March-October being bad and distance). I'm looking at going in July, but am overly excited and have been trying to research as best I can up front. Keeps me going through the daily corporate America grind I guess.

I think I've stumbled upon a group of independents via a girl on Tinder, but not sure if it's a scam. Found a girl who listed her Instagram and on her Instagram page was a whatsapp number. Hit her up there and she revealed that she offers herself and / or any of about a dozen of her friends and anything else you could need on a trip, but also anything separate that you want is OK. She says $100/ 300 m pesos for 1. 5 hrs per girl or $250 for 6 hours of partying and sex. These girls are smoking hot 10's in the photos she gave me too. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Would I be better off just going to New Life / Aiffe / Fantasia Energy / La Isla / Loutron instead? I can't seem to find the right girls on FB and Tinder seems hit or miss after a few days swiping in Medellin so far. [URL]Photoprepagos.com[/URL] seems a tad sketchy and everyone wants to be paid in advance via credit card and I'm not doing that.

Thank you all![/QUOTE]Yes I will chime in my two pesos. First do NOT communicate to early with any of the girls, they will lose interest and see that your not serious, so maximum 3 weeks or more preferably start your dialog / communication with them 2 weeks before you travel.

Now Tinder issue, my last and only experience with Tinder girls was almost 2 years ago, it was good, a university girl needing some help (don't they all say they are university paisas, jajaja) and was fun but I found that there are so many options for pussy in Medellin that even spending months in Medellin I find myself too busy with other girls and usually better pricing and a hell of a lot of fun.

The pricing of 100 mil (about $35. USD) for lets say an hour or 1. 5 hours is about the going rate and 250 mil for 6 hours is a good price point, nothing fishy there and yes it is common that these girls have friends and yes they are connected and will share, hell some of my current favorites are friends of friends, "sharing is caring" as they say, jajajaja.

The best advice that I and others can offer you is to simply go and check it out and enjoy.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2281260]Yes I will chime in my two pesos. First do NOT communicate to early with any of the girls, they will lose interest and see that your not serious, so maximum 3 weeks or more preferably start your dialog / communication with them 2 weeks before you travel.

Now Tinder issue, my last and only experience with Tinder girls was almost 2 years ago, it was good, a university girl needing some help (don't they all say they are university paisas, jajaja) and was fun but I found that there are so many options for pussy in Medellin that even spending months in Medellin I find myself too busy with other girls and usually better pricing and a hell of a lot of fun.

The pricing of 100 mil (about $35. USD) for lets say an hour or 1. 5 hours is about the going rate and 250 mil for 6 hours is a good price point, nothing fishy there and yes it is common that these girls have friends and yes they are connected and will share, hell some of my current favorites are friends of friends, "sharing is caring" as they say, jajajaja.

The best advice that I and others can offer you is to simply go and check it out and enjoy.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]You say 100 mil for 1.5 hours he says 100 dollars, you say 250 mil for 6 hours he says 250 dollars. Those prices are Not close.

I have done research for some weeks now, I've got a list of the popular bars casa's and restaurants. I've starred them in my goggle maps. I plan on trying photoprepagos website. I plan to hit casa's during the day and find someone at clubs at night unless I have to resort to using prepagos website.

I appreciate all the information that has been shared. If there are any web sites or suggestions for Natural beauties (I'm not much into the enhancements) I'd love to hear about it.

Kinda sucks the current membership situation I wish I could PM.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2281257]At some point I'm going to have to go to El Centro with one of you Centro pros.

I have been to El Centro about a dozen times and have never found anything that I would pay to have sex with.

It's not that they are all unfuckable but they are no where near the quality I have already lined up.

But I'm open to being schooled on the subject. If you or anyone else can show me a chick that I really want to fuck.

That charges 100 mill or less. I'll give you 100 mill just for letting me tag along.[/QUOTE]But if you have been to Centro a dozen times and haven't seen one chica that you would like to smash, there is a visual deficit, sense of uncertain doom, but hey, I can walk you through Veracruz and allow you to see big small short or tall, young, old, dumb and bold. But whatever you are looking for, you can find it in centro at a fraction of the price of other places. Bring your reading glasses & we'll find you a girl!. Pollonegro is out! LOL.

Went to New Life at 11 AM. About 20 girls. For my tastes all but one was doable. Mostly 7,and 8's. I Picked a Morena with a natural hour glass figure. A solid 8, and she never stopped smiling. I took her for one hour (80 K). The other prices were 50 K half hour, and 65 K 45 minutes.

Now the main reason for my trip was the Cento girls. The first night there was a few doable but mostly bad ones. I found that all the ones I went with was the same story. On the street whatever I asked for was ok with them. Some prices were in the 25 to 30 K range. Now the reality is once you pay for the short time hotel then all bets are off. They demand the money upfront. The first time this happened I went with it as the girl was kind of cute. After that two more times I was hit with the same BS, and I walked eating the room rent. As for the strip clubs I have always liked them. Problem for me was the volume was insane. You had to yell, and then they could not hear you. I left without drinking my beer.

It looks like to me the only good thing in MDE is New Life. I don't go for all this social media stuff.

My stay is planned, and paid for 24 nights. I like the hunt. Casas are not my thing. Tomorrow I start to look for a getaway from this place. Maybe when I hit FL I head right to the DR. It has it's drawbacks, but the hunt is on there.

A little background on me. In the last ten years I have done at least 15 different trips. Mostly Colombia, ,and Peru with a few other Latin America Countrys.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2281257]At some point I'm going to have to go to El Centro with one of you Centro pros.

I have been to El Centro about a dozen times and have never found anything that I would pay to have sex with.

It's not that they are all unfuckable but they are no where near the quality I have already lined up.
[/QUOTE]Are you talking street chicks, Casa chicks or strip club chicks -although I have found hotties at all three locations but I have spent about a month cruising Centro.

Why put yourself through this? Stick with the facebook girls.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2281257]At some point I'm going to have to go to El Centro with one of you Centro pros.

I have been to El Centro about a dozen times and have never found anything that I would pay to have sex with.

It's not that they are all unfuckable but they are no where near the quality I have already lined up.

But I'm open to being schooled on the subject. If you or anyone else can show me a chick that I really want to fuck.

That charges 100 mill or less. I'll give you 100 mill just for letting me tag along.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NYCassman;2281296]You say 100 mil for 1.5 hours he says 100 dollars, you say 250 mil for 6 hours he says 250 dollars. Those prices are Not close.

I have done research for some weeks now, I've got a list of the popular bars casa's and restaurants. I've starred them in my goggle maps. I plan on trying photoprepagos website. I plan to hit casa's during the day and find someone at clubs at night unless I have to resort to using prepagos website.

I appreciate all the information that has been shared. If there are any web sites or suggestions for Natural beauties (I'm not much into the enhancements) I'd love to hear about it.

Kinda sucks the current membership situation I wish I could PM.[/QUOTE]I am glad you mentioned this. The cash mail option is valid, FYI. I wish someone would have posted about this before because I was concerned, but if you send by mail they will validate and activate your membership. It indeed takes 3 weeks but they will do it. No worries.

Honestly if you haven't experienced centro you are missing out. 2 of the girls that still consume my thoughts are centro 30 k street girls. There is indeed gems to be found. I have tried casas, strip clubs, photo prepagos, CC, escorts and still go back down there.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2281325]Why put yourself through this? Stick with the facebook girls.[/QUOTE].

I know exactly what you mean.

[QUOTE=PaisaPorFavor;2281363]Honestly if you haven't experienced centro you are missing out. 2 of the girls that still consume my thoughts are centro 30 k street girls. There is indeed gems to be found. I have tried casas, strip clubs, photo prepagos, CC, escorts and still go back down there..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KainNYC;2250080]We will be in Medellin February, and March of 2019. Let me know if you would like to join! Newbies welcomed.[/QUOTE]Hey bud,

Would love to link up. Will be in Medellin during the middle of March. Tried to message you. Not sure if there is a PM function on this site.

[QUOTE=Eb1989;2281127]Hi all,

First time visitor to any mongering destination but have experienced Asian massage parlors, escorts, and college girl sugar babies in the US. Looking for a better bang for my buck combined with an awesome vacation, and stumbled upon choosing Medellin over Sosua or Thailand (mostly due to weather March-October being bad and distance). I'm looking at going in July, but am overly excited and have been trying to research as best I can up front. Keeps me going through the daily corporate America grind I guess.

I think I've stumbled upon a group of independents via a girl on Tinder, but not sure if it's a scam. Found a girl who listed her Instagram and on her Instagram page was a whatsapp number. Hit her up there and she revealed that she offers herself and / or any of about a dozen of her friends and anything else you could need on a trip, but also anything separate that you want is OK. She says $100/ 300 m pesos for 1. 5 hrs per girl or $250 for 6 hours of partying and sex.[/QUOTE]Those Tinder girls are definitely not 10's. Haven't found a hooker who's a 10.10's tend to take a different career route. Plus 300 k is a stupid tourist price. You should not be paying over 200 k for 1. 5 hours, that's ridiculous.

I have never been asked by ANY chica on Photoprepagos to pay ahead of time by credit card. I think you misunderstood or google translate has failed you.

Like somebody said, you are way to early to start making contact with them. Try a week before your trip, and even then many will just ignore you.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2281314]Are you talking street chicks, Casa chicks or strip club chicks -although I have found hotties at all three locations but I have spent about a month cruising Centro.[/QUOTE]All three. Although I have only looked for street chicks once as it seemed the least likely option to produce a viable candidate.

I have seen strip club chicks that I thought were attractive. Just not as a attractive as the 150 to 200 mill facebook chicks and not that much cheaper. Especially to fuck them in a back room with a time limit. Jajaja.

I'm sure I could find a few centro chicks that met my bang for buck ratio if I looked long and hard. But so far it just doesn't seem like a worthwhile way to spend my time. But I'm still curious when I hear guys saying that El Centro is the best and that you would have to be a fool not to go there.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2281448]All three. Although I have only looked for street chicks once as it seemed the least likely option to produce a viable candidate.

I have seen strip club chicks that I thought were attractive. Just not as a attractive as the 150 to 200 mill facebook chicks and not that much cheaper. Especially to fuck them in a back room with a time limit. Jajaja.

I'm sure I could find a few centro chicks that met my bang for buck ratio if I looked long and hard. But so far it just doesn't seem like a worthwhile way to spend my time. But I'm still curious when I hear guys saying that El Centro is the best and that you would have to be a fool not to go there.[/QUOTE]There are also guys who say La Isla and Loutron are the best and you would be a fool to go anywhere else. There are guys who think you're a fool if you don't spend all your time at the Mansion and guys who think you're a fool if you spend any time at the Mansion.

No matter what you do, someone will think you're foolish for doing it.

You've found what works for you. Why waste time trying to make what doesn't work, work?

My deal is Facebook, followed by casas. I've tried the strip clubs, but it's not as appealing these days. Street girls aren't my thing, but I like the scenery. So, I've spent a lot of time walking El Centro. I've seen plenty of girls who looked good enough for me.

Unless the guy telling you where you should go and who you should fuck is also the guy who shakes your dick after you take a leak, you shouldn't pay too much attention to him.

For those of you who swear by FB, I would say I'm willing to put in the effort but I haven't seem to found the right girls. Any tips or leads? Any suggestions on openers that find me the right opportunities? As of now I've got a couple regular girls I'm talking to on Tinder who don't seem interested in sex but would probably introduce me to friends, and then a few off Tinder that seem to be groups of independent escorts. Other than that it seems like I should go to New Life / Aiffe / Fantasia Energy / LA Isla / Loutron. How do I go about finding a chica for cheap LT?

[QUOTE=Kelso1;2281307]Went to New Life at 11 AM. About 20 girls. For my tastes all but one was doable. Mostly 7,and 8's. I Picked a Morena with a natural hour glass figure. A solid 8, and she never stopped smiling. I took her for one hour (80 K). The other prices were 50 K half hour, and 65 K 45 minutes.

Now the main reason for my trip was the Cento girls. The first night there was a few doable but mostly bad ones. I found that all the ones I went with was the same story. On the street whatever I asked for was ok with them. Some prices were in the 25 to 30 K range. Now the reality is once you pay for the short time hotel then all bets are off. They demand the money upfront. The first time this happened I went with it as the girl was kind of cute. After that two more times I was hit with the same BS, and I walked eating the room rent. As for the strip clubs I have always liked them. Problem for me was the volume was insane. You had to yell, and then they could not hear you. I left without drinking my beer.

It looks like to me the only good thing in MDE is New Life. I don't go for all this social media stuff.

My stay is planned, and paid for 24 nights. I like the hunt. Casas are not my thing. Tomorrow I start to look for a getaway from this place. Maybe when I hit FL I head right to the DR. It has it's drawbacks, but the hunt is on there.

A little background on me. In the last ten years I have done at least 15 different trips. Mostly Colombia, ,and Peru with a few other Latin America Countrys.[/QUOTE]Man you are hard to please. You won't do street walkers, the strip clubs are too noisy, you don't go for the social media stuff and casas are not your thing. There is a ray of hope for you, however. You say you like New Life. Have you tried other casas? I have been doing casas exclusively since I arrived here two weeks ago and I have experienced many that have chicas just as good as New Life.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;2281448]I have seen strip club chicks that I thought were attractive. Just not as a attractive as the 150 to 200 mill facebook chicks and not that much cheaper. Especially to fuck them in a back room with a time limit. Jajaja.[/QUOTE]Are you expecting a 30 k VeraCruz street girl to be as hot as a 200 k FB girl? Will 6 VeraCruz girls be more fun then 1 FB girl?. Depends on the girls I suppose.

I don't ask for too much for $10. That's like 2 Happy Meals. LOL.

The hotter street chicks over in the Raudal area will be 60 to 80 k, that still less then half your FB price.

Yakuza 50 k for takeout to my hotel.

And the Centro Clubs chicks will be 80 k+-, also 1/2 or less.

I had the most fun with the VeraCruz street chick Sara, she was as GFE as possible.

Some of my favs and where they worked:

[QUOTE=Eb1989;2281542]For those of you who swear by FB, I would say I'm willing to put in the effort but I haven't seem to found the right girls. Any tips or leads?[/QUOTE]You didn't specify what you're having problems with. If you need to build a list, look for my report around Nov '17 about how to do that. You can search anyone's postings by clicking on their username and click View Forum Posts.

Once you have a list of girls, it's pretty simple. 1. Look for those who are active at the time you want the appointment. 2. Message them.

- Hi <name to see if they're active.

- when they respond, use your translator and say "how are you doing, are you available to meet me?

- when they say yes, you need to propose the price first, otherwise they can overcharge you right off the bat. You will pay gringo price anyway but at least you won't be fooled into 200 k or 250 k+ as easily. "I'll offer 150 k for one hour. I stay in area , what do you think". 90% of the time they'll say yes to that. Some girls will do 100 k but I make it easier for myself and start with 150. I've had girls who go "no, 200 k (or more)". If I say "I can only pay 150 k. Maybe you can think about it and let me know", and that often works with her coming back an hour or a day later.

- if you absolutely must have her, maybe 200 k but I strongly suggest giving her some time to think first. Even 100 k is a lot of money to these girls.

- then wait. This is the worst part. She can often be late but very rarely she doesn't come at all. If she doesn't give you updates on where she is or how far away she is, tell her you can't wait any longer and assume she's not coming and make other plans.

- when she arrives she often wants you to pay for her taxi. If she gives a good session, tip her 20 k and pay for her return trip. Call an Uber, which is actually safer for her and saves you some money. She'll be happy with that.

Try working out fees with the girls before you bring them to the hotel. I'm not a power user of Veracruz girls but I've never had one ask for money up front. It's monger 101 to avoid that. Good luck to you.

[QUOTE=Kelso1;2281307]Went to New Life at 11 AM. About 20 girls. For my tastes all but one was doable. Mostly 7,and 8's. I Picked a Morena with a natural hour glass figure. A solid 8, and she never stopped smiling. I took her for one hour (80 K). The other prices were 50 K half hour, and 65 K 45 minutes.

Now the main reason for my trip was the Cento girls. The first night there was a few doable but mostly bad ones. I found that all the ones I went with was the same story. On the street whatever I asked for was ok with them. Some prices were in the 25 to 30 K range. Now the reality is once you pay for the short time hotel then all bets are off. They demand the money upfront. The first time this happened I went with it as the girl was kind of cute. After that two more times I was hit with the same BS, and I walked eating the room rent. As for the strip clubs I have always liked them. Problem for me was the volume was insane. You had to yell, and then they could not hear you. I left without drinking my beer.

It looks like to me the only good thing in MDE is New Life. I don't go for all this social media stuff.

My stay is planned, and paid for 24 nights. I like the hunt. Casas are not my thing. Tomorrow I start to look for a getaway from this place. Maybe when I hit FL I head right to the DR. It has it's drawbacks, but the hunt is on there.

A little background on me. In the last ten years I have done at least 15 different trips. Mostly Colombia, ,and Peru with a few other Latin America Countrys.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Eb1989;2281127]Hi all,

First time visitor to any mongering destination but have experienced Asian massage parlors, escorts, and college girl sugar babies in the US. Looking for a better bang for my buck combined with an awesome vacation, and stumbled upon choosing Medellin over Sosua or Thailand (mostly due to weather March-October being bad and distance). I'm looking at going in July, but am overly excited and have been trying to research as best I can up front. Keeps me going through the daily corporate America grind I guess.

I think I've stumbled upon a group of independents via a girl on Tinder, but not sure if it's a scam. Found a girl who listed her Instagram and on her Instagram page was a whatsapp number. Hit her up there and she revealed that she offers herself and / or any of about a dozen of her friends and anything else you could need on a trip, but also anything separate that you want is OK. She says $100/ 300 m pesos for 1. 5 hrs per girl or $250 for 6 hours of partying and sex. These girls are smoking hot 10's in the photos she gave me too. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Would I be better off just going to New Life / Aiffe / Fantasia Energy / La Isla / Loutron instead? I can't seem to find the right girls on FB and Tinder seems hit or miss after a few days swiping in Medellin so far. [URL]Photoprepagos.com[/URL] seems a tad sketchy and everyone wants to be paid in advance via credit card and I'm not doing that.

Thank you all![/QUOTE]I am 13 for 13 for women off of photoprepagos. I have not found any of them to be sketchy. Now as far as the actual experience, that's based on the girls personal talents! But "if they respond in a timely manner " I've had good luck there. Best thing is the prices are usually posted so you know what your getting price wise. Never. Ever. Everrrrrrrrrr pay with a CC in advance. That is a disaster waiting to happen. As many women as I've contacted on there, I have never been asked for this. Now maybe once she arrives she will ask for payment before sex. How you handle that is your personal preference but sending money before you have even seen who is on the other end of the WhatsApp is almost ridiculous. She knows that. Try to deal in cash. As much as possible in this game.

[QUOTE=PaisaPorFavor;2281363]Honestly if you haven't experienced centro you are missing out. 2 of the girls that still consume my thoughts are centro 30 k street girls. There is indeed gems to be found. I have tried casas, strip clubs, photo prepagos, CC, escorts and still go back down there..[/QUOTE]How do you operate Centro! I have done every single method also! Except Centro! I have a skewed vision of it after watching YouTube videos. Maybe it's me but it seems like the most uncomfortable way of mongering. I imagine walking down some 3rd world looking street. Passing by shady guys and looking like a sore thumb. Then walking up to a group of thirsty unattractive women. Looking at them then walking as they make cat calls at me as I continue down ghetto streets on foot looking for a diamond in the ruff. LOL.

My thought process to avoid this scenario was find some sort of transportation (in a car seems safer). Maybe asking the cab driver to circle around until I found my diamond. Putting down the window. She walks over. Negotiates. Hope's in then off we go to either my alt or a love motel of my choosing.

Mind you, I monger alone so what is the real way of doing this safely and with a bit of dignity LOL. The whole walking the streets just doesn't seem realistic for a foreigner. What's your methods? In detail please.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2281745]
Call an Uber, which is actually safer for her and saves you some money. She'll be happy with that.[/QUOTE]Why is Uber safer for her? The driver is a stranger and less accountable than a cab driver.

Normally I do not have a security guard at my apartments. So, I often request a girl I do not know well to take a yellow taxi because I don't know if her Uber driver is a friend who could be casing my location, an accomplice, or something other. I do know that an uber driver would have my address presumably after he drops his girl and who knows what they discussed on the way to my apartment. Yes I understand the odds are that he's a normal person who could not care less who I am or what I have but what do I care about 5 mil cop extra for the taxi?

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2282017]Why is Uber safer for her? The driver is a stranger and less accountable than a cab driver.

Normally I do not have a security guard at my apartments. So, I often request a girl I do not know well to take a yellow taxi because I don't know if her Uber driver is a friend who could be casing my location, an accomplice, or something other.[/QUOTE]Makes no sense at all. First you say the Uber driver is a stranger, then you say the Uber driver might be her friend. Wouldn't it be more likely that the taxi driver is a friend? When you press the button on Uber a random person picks up the trip and the trip and driver are documented in your Uber record. Anybody can call a friend that is a taxi driver and all you saw was a yellow car. The taxi driver can just as well call another friend to stake out your location or go get an unmarked car and do it himself.

There is a lot of paranoia going on in these Colombia threads. I am not saying not to play it safe but geez. You got one guy in the Bogota thread worrying about being kidnapped and another afraid to walk outside and get into a taxi on arrival at the airport. What is it about Colombia that sparks these thoughts and fears? In over 100 trips to Colombia in 15 years I have never had any of the worries that guys come on this board having; not even my first few times there.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2282026]Makes no sense at all. First you say the Uber driver is a stranger, then you say the Uber driver might be her friend. Wouldn't it be more likely that the taxi driver is a friend? When you press the button on Uber a random person picks up the trip and the trip and driver are documented in your Uber record. Anybody can call a friend that is a taxi driver and all you saw was a yellow car. The taxi driver can just as well call another friend to stake out your location or go get an unmarked car and do it himself.

There is a lot of paranoia going on in these Colombia threads. I am not saying not to play it safe but geez. You got one guy in the Bogota thread worrying about being kidnapped and another afraid to walk outside and get into a taxi on arrival at the airport. What is it about Colombia that sparks these thoughts and fears? In over 100 trips to Colombia in 15 years I have never had any of the worries that guys come on this board having; not even my first few times there.[/QUOTE]They are stuck in the 90's, when Medellin was the most dangerous city in the world at 225 homicides per 100,000 people, now around 20 which is safer then the Bahamas or Jamaica or St. Louis, Baltimore, New Orleans and Detroit.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2282026]Makes no sense at all. First you say the Uber driver is a stranger, then you say the Uber driver might be her friend. [/QUOTE]To be clear, Uber is a personal vehicle so I would not know. The Uber driver of course is a stranger to me- that is what I meant. I would prefer not to flag my location to someone driving their personal vehicle.

[QUOTE]
Wouldn't it be more likely that the taxi driver is a friend? [/QUOTE]Some girls claim to have friends that drive them but not likely in a taxi because that would require the driver of a yellow taxi to be on duty and available when she needed the ride to or from. That's not likely.

[QUOTE]
When you press the button on Uber a random person picks up the trip and the trip and driver are documented in your Uber record. Anybody can call a friend that is a taxi driver and all you saw was a yellow car. The taxi driver can just as well call another friend to stake out your location or go get an unmarked car and do it himself.[/QUOTE]But if I am not the one that calls for the Uber I have to take her word for it and I have no record.

[QUOTE]
There is a lot of paranoia going on in these Colombia threads. I am not saying not to play it safe but geez. You got one guy in the Bogota thread worrying about being kidnapped and another afraid to walk outside and get into a taxi on arrival at the airport. What is it about Colombia that sparks these thoughts and fears? In over 100 trips to Colombia in 15 years I have never had any of the worries that guys come on this board having; not even my first few times there.[/QUOTE]It's about limiting exposure over time. I use apps that call yellow taxis and it works just fine, even if more expensive. I know girls buddy up and talk with Uber drivers. I prefer yellow taxis.

Recently I returned from the shower to find a date had already called a friend or Uber to pick her up so too late for me to call a taxi. She went outside to wait and maybe 10 minutes later as I was leaving my apartment she was still there. She explained the driver was on his way and giving her a ride to Bello for free. I asked why and she shrugged but apparently he offered and wanted to drive her from Laureles to Bello. It was odd. Maybe she sent a foto and because she was pretty he thought there could be something in it for him, I don't know. But it was unusual if not sketchy. Perhaps it was a friend who had been waiting close by. I don't know. I checked my door locks and bolted. A yellow taxi would never do that, but a friend or a creepy Uber driver would.

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2282039]But if I am not the one that calls for the Uber I have to take her word for it and I have no record. [/QUOTE]So if a chick tells you she will have a friend drop her off you would protest and insist she take a taxi? Sorry I am just not following. After all, the girl knows where you are staying and she could just send a message or call and tell someone. They would not have to arrive with her or be the one to come pick her up in order for you to be setup or whatever. For that not to happen, you would have to go get her yourself and take her phone and put a blindfold on her until you get inside.

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2282039]I would prefer not to flag my location to someone driving their personal vehicle.
[/QUOTE]So what will prevent the girl to just text your address or share location to her friend?

[QUOTE=TheCarlAnthony;2281901]How do you operate Centro! .[/QUOTE]What I do is (I stay at the Botero 2 blocks from the redlight blocks) after breakfast I walk thru the Vera Cruz block and the Raudal block and see what's out, usually alone.

Dress like you are going to Home Depot to pick up some lumber, (no shorts / sandals) if you have light colored hair wear a ball cap, don't take more cash then you need, carry a photocopy of your passport and leave the real thing in your room or with the front desk, keep your phone in your pocket and don't stand around, only stop to talk to a girl, don't go after 5 pm when the locals are off work and starting to get drunk. I usually walk through 3 or 4 times a day, if you find one you want, ask her how much to play, the Vera Cruz ones should be in the 30 k range plus room (not sure how much for the room, I always hand them 50 k and tell them to keep the change as a tip) and the hotter Raudal chicks 60-80 k room incld. They will walk you a few feet to the stairs up to a short term hotel, I've been in 4 or 5, nice enough, showers, clean sheets, some have porno TV. I give them the money at the front desk so they can pay and bring my own condoms. Just because you saw nobody hot on the 1st trip doesn't mean they won't be there on the next walk thru, it is hit or miss.

Vera Cruz is the block behind the old white Iglesia de la Veracruz (construction started in 1682). You want Carr 53 between Calle 51 and 52 both side of the street. Some bars along there you can go in for a beer. Ignore most the ones up front by the church, the trannies hang out there. If they look young ask to see their Cedula (ID). If you see nada, walk 2 blocks over to the Raudal area, basically the 2 northern corners of Calle 53 / Carr 54. Less women but usually some hotter ones. I find that block a little sketchier, esp as it gets later.

Remember, she has to only be $10-$20 hot.

After dark I switch to the Centro big 3 strip clubs (Conejitas, Barra Ejectiva & Maracaibo) with occasional taxis to Fase II. That is all I hit in Medellin, not a Casa fan or Escort fan due to no time to check attitude and possibly old or touched up pictures), will hit some FB friends who are super hot on my next trip most likely also.

I have to say its a very bad idea to pay first for any girls in Colombia. Mongers of course are free to do whatever they want. But even mentioning that or tipping, word gets around to newbie mongers trying to emulate and before you know it the place is overpriced, and the service and attitudes go in the shtter.

[QUOTE=Bill;2282102]I have to say its a very bad idea to pay first for any girls in Colombia. Mongers of course are free to do whatever they want. But even mentioning that or tipping, word gets around to newbie mongers trying to emulate and before you know it the place is overpriced, and the service and attitudes go in the shtter.[/QUOTE]New Life is one of the few casas in which you pay after. However, the service there is not as good as many other casas where you pay before. New Life is the only casa I have been to during this visit where I have encountered American mongers. New Life is the only casa in which I have been asked for a propina. Do the math.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2282066]What I do is (I stay at the Botero 2 blocks from the redlight blocks) after breakfast I walk thru the Vera Cruz block and the Raudal block and see what's out, usually alone.

Dress like you are going to Home Depot to pick up some lumber, (no shorts / sandals) if you have light colored hair wear a ball cap, don't take more cash then you need, carry a photocopy of your passport and leave the real thing in your room or with the front desk, keep your phone in your pocket and don't stand around, only stop to talk to a girl, don't go after 5 pm when the locals are off work and starting to get drunk. I usually walk through 3 or 4 times a day, if you find one you want, ask her how much to play, the Vera Cruz ones should be in the 30 k range plus room (not sure how much for the room, I always hand them 50 k and tell them to keep the change as a tip) and the hotter Raudal chicks 60-80 k room incld. They will walk you a few feet to the stairs up to a short term hotel, I've been in 4 or 5, nice enough, showers, clean sheets, some have porno TV. I give them the money at the front desk so they can pay and bring my own condoms. Just because you saw nobody hot on the 1st trip doesn't mean they won't be there on the next walk thru, it is hit or miss.

Vera Cruz is the block behind the old white Iglesia de la Veracruz (construction started in 1682). You want Carr 53 between Calle 51 and 52 both side of the street. Some bars along there you can go in for a beer. Ignore most the ones up front by the church, the trannies hang out there. If they look young ask to see their Cedula (ID). If you see nada, walk 2 blocks over to the Raudal area, basically the 2 northern corners of Calle 53 / Carr 54. Less women but usually some hotter ones. I find that block a little sketchier, esp as it gets later.

Remember, she has to only be $10-$20 hot.

After dark I switch to the Centro big 3 strip clubs (Conejitas, Barra Ejectiva & Maracaibo) with occasional taxis to Fase II. That is all I hit in Medellin, not a Casa fan or Escort fan due to no time to check attitude and possibly old or touched up pictures), will hit some FB friends who are super hot on my next trip most likely also.[/QUOTE]Perfectly said, in the past almost 2 years now since frequenting the Vera and Raudal streets (and don't forget to check out the paseo at Botero plaza area) I have spent too much time than I care to admit and beside for siting in some of the bars and drinking / flirting and just having fun I have trolled these areas numerous times at day and night on my motorcycle, in my car and walking the streets, note 99% of the time with my trusted colombian buddy, we love the chase and damn must admit have found some real fun times.

I am almost all but done with the higher end clubs (ie Fase Dos and La Isla) and only will go with a group of guys who must check it out, same with the casas, same with majorista, same with FB chicas and Tinder and the cupid girls, etc. Etc. And now my wallet thanks me as I spend a fraction of what I use to and I could argue that I have more fun. With friends I still will hang with a buddy in a lower end club such as Barra Executiva or maricaibo or the playboy or the like and from time to time will take a girl out.

To each his own, what ever floats your boat guys. Just have fun.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2282026]Makes no sense at all. First you say the Uber driver is a stranger, then you say the Uber driver might be her friend. Wouldn't it be more likely that the taxi driver is a friend? When you press the button on Uber a random person picks up the trip and the trip and driver are documented in your Uber record. Anybody can call a friend that is a taxi driver and all you saw was a yellow car. The taxi driver can just as well call another friend to stake out your location or go get an unmarked car and do it himself.

There is a lot of paranoia going on in these Colombia threads. I am not saying not to play it safe but geez. You got one guy in the Bogota thread worrying about being kidnapped and another afraid to walk outside and get into a taxi on arrival at the airport. What is it about Colombia that sparks these thoughts and fears? In over 100 trips to Colombia in 15 years I have never had any of the worries that guys come on this board having; not even my first few times there.[/QUOTE]To keep all the diamonds for yourself? Stoke fear in the hearts of New mongers. Everyone who preaches fear about Medellin and Centro, are fearful in America as well. Did anyone read my previous post? 17 trips to Centro last year, not one incident of harm. People see me in Centro so much they walk up to me & call me by my Colombian name. So if you want to miss the best sex at the cheapest prices avoid Centro. But if you want to know all about centro you must do what The Tall Man, Wolf, myself & others have done. Put boots on the ground and explore centro for yourself. The best time for girls in vera cruz is 11:45 am-1 pm and 3 pm-6 pm. Lunch time & after school. Or work. Trust me, Pollo negro is out!

Just to be clear, because I don't want to hear about somebody getting stabbed or robbed based on my posts:

El Centro aka La Candelaria, aka downtown is not for everybody.

If you are not used to sketchy places and dodgy people sizing you up to maybe mug you stay in El Poblado or Laurales or the Mansion and cab to the nicer strip clubs and Casa's and Gustos etc.

How do I get an instagram model level girl? I've been sending DMs on tinder, facebook, and instagram (skipping Colombian cupid and SA for now) and not really getting any responses from 9's and 10's. I've just been introducing myself as an American tourist who will be visiting and ask if they will show me Medellin. Maybe just messaging the wrong girls, any leads of girls would be appreciated!

[QUOTE=TheCarlAnthony;2281901]How do you operate Centro! I have done every single method also! Except Centro! I have a skewed vision of it after watching YouTube videos. Maybe it's me but it seems like the most uncomfortable way of mongering. I imagine walking down some 3rd world looking street. Passing by shady guys and looking like a sore thumb. Then walking up to a group of thirsty unattractive women. Looking at them then walking as they make cat calls at me as I continue down ghetto streets on foot looking for a diamond in the ruff. LOL.

My thought process to avoid this scenario was find some sort of transportation (in a car seems safer). Maybe asking the cab driver to circle around until I found my diamond. Putting down the window. She walks over. Negotiates. Hope's in then off we go to either my alt or a love motel of my choosing.

Mind you, I monger alone so what is the real way of doing this safely and with a bit of dignity LOL. The whole walking the streets just doesn't seem realistic for a foreigner. What's your methods? In detail please.[/QUOTE]I monger alone, although I've gone with others to walk around El Centro. Most of my time in El Centro has been solo. I'm also 6'4" and mid 50's in age. It's pretty obvious I'm not a local. Here's how I do it.

First thing, I take the Metro. Why pay an extra 12 k for a ride that will take 30 minutes longer? I prefer to get off at the San Antonio station. Parque Berrio station is closer, but I enjoy the walk from San Antonio. From the station I walk 1/2 block west and turn right and walk north. There's all kinds of clothing shops and a few restaurants. It's only about 3 blocks to the south end of Botero Plaza. You'll see the old, white Veracruz church on your left. Up to this point, other than a few guys trying to sell you blue jeans, nobody is going to bother you.

At the church turn left down the alley. Now you'll start seeing working girls, along with a few that don't appear to be anatomically correct girls. There aren't many gems to be found on this block, but occasionally one will stand out. At the corner turn right. There will be working girls on both sides of the street. Usually there are more on the left (west) side. You'll see all types here. Usually they'll just watch you go by. Occasionally one will try to get her hands on you. It's important to not let this happen. I usually will grab their wrist and say no. I've never had one continue after that. Rarely will any of the girls say anything, although a few will click their tongues to get your attention.

At this point you can either cross the street and come back the other side, or you can walk a block north then a block west to get to the Raudal area. It's only half a block long.

My advice is to keep moving. Don't stop to gawk. Only stop when you find one that interests you. Chances are, nobody will bother you.

Of course that's only one option. There's also the strip clubs. For those, it's best to take a taxi at night. Find a spot to sit down and get a beer or a bottle of water. If you see one you like, wave her over.

Probably the best option for you is a visit to the casas. Most guys will take a taxi to New Life, although I walk. The names of the casas won't help you much. The taxi drivers know where they are, but don't know the names. Give the driver the address and tell him it's "la casa de chicas con la puerta azul. "

Go through the blue door, you'll come to a security gate with a buzzer. Once the gate is unlocked go up to the waiting room. The manager will tell you where to sit and the lineup will come out. Having a pen and paper is handy because there will be about 20 girls. Each girl will shake your hand and tell you her name. Remember the name of the one you prefer. After the lineup tell the manager your choice. He'll call her out and she'll take you to a room. Afterwards she'll take you to the cashier.

If you don't see one you like, Aiffe is 1 block north. It has a red door. If nothing there, Sexxy Amigas is about 2 blocks away with a brown door. There are a few more all within walking distance.

As long as you follow the advice that's been given plenty of times here about keeping yourself safe, you should be fine.

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2282039]To be clear, Uber is a personal vehicle so I would not know. The Uber driver of course is a stranger to me- that is what I meant. I would prefer not to flag my location to someone driving their personal vehicle.

Some girls claim to have friends that drive them but not likely in a taxi because that would require the driver of a yellow taxi to be on duty and available when she needed the ride to or from. That's not likely.

But if I am not the one that calls for the Uber I have to take her word for it and I have no record.

It's about limiting exposure over time. I use apps that call yellow taxis and it works just fine, even if more expensive. I know girls buddy up and talk with Uber drivers. I prefer yellow taxis..[/QUOTE]Your reasoning is excellent. It's not necessarily correct, but it is excellent.

Let's start with the last part first. You returned from a shower to find the girl had already called for a ride? Instead of calling for a ride, she could have opened the door and let her friends inside. For someone so worried about security, this makes no sense.

Now let's go to the yellow taxis are safer angle. I remember seeing a girl riding around in a yellow taxi, through Parque Lleras, trying to flag down gringos and get them to get in the cab. Clearly she knew the driver and that seems like a dangerous taxi to me. I've also had a few girls show up in a taxi, where it was obvious they knew the driver. I've had a few girls call for a ride and the friend that showed up was in a yellow taxi.

These girls spend a lot of time in taxis. It's not unlikely for them to have a driver they work with.

I've been involved in a couple of conversations with taxi drivers. Both were nice guys, but they lived in rough areas. One was from Manrique and the other lived in Paris. That one even showed us his house. However, there are plenty of not so nice guys in those areas. How many of them have a taxi?

Uber, on the other hand, has requirements for the cars they allow. It's a larger investment for the driver, plus the driver already has taxi drivers who will beat the crap out of him if they get the chance. They have a lot more at stake than a taxi driver.

Personally, I've never had a problem with either. For a few months I used Uber a lot, then I began using taxis more.

How do I find instagram fitness model level hot 10's? Haven't had any luck getting responses to DMs on tinder, instagram, or facebook. Do casas or strip clubs have 10's, or mostly 7's and 8's?

[QUOTE=Eb1989;2282203]How do I find instagram fitness model level hot 10's? Haven't had any luck getting responses to DMs on tinder, instagram, or facebook. Do casas or strip clubs have 10's, or mostly 7's and 8's?[/QUOTE]Sorry posted twice, didn't think first went through.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2282201]Your reasoning is excellent. It's not necessarily correct, but it is excellent.
Let's start with the last part first. You returned from a shower to find the girl had already called for a ride? Instead of calling for a ride, she could have opened the door and let her friends inside. For someone so worried about security, this makes no sense.[/QUOTE]All that I meant was that I did not have her cancel the car. I don't know what else you are trying to say.

[QUOTE]Now let's go to the yellow taxis are safer angle. I remember seeing a girl riding around in a yellow taxi, through Parque Lleras, trying to flag down gringos and get them to get in the cab. Clearly she knew the driver and that seems like a dangerous taxi to me. I've also had a few girls show up in a taxi, where it was obvious they knew the driver. I've had a few girls call for a ride and the friend that showed up was in a yellow taxi.[/QUOTE]There are several generic numbers for taxi service. If you are certain that a girl or girls to whom you gave taxi money did not call a taxi company then perhaps someone was waiting on them. My experience is that if I have a date with a girl from Bello a taxi driver is not parked down the street for two hours waiting on a 20 mil cab fare. Besides I call the taxi with an app so rarely am I not the one in touch with the taxi she leaves in. Your girls perhaps had drivers waiting in the vicinity. That happens.

[QUOTE]These girls spend a lot of time in taxis. It's not unlikely for them to have a driver they work with.[/QUOTE]She might arrive with a familiar driver the first time she meets me but that's likely for her security. We know fewer crimes are committed in cooperation with taxis than unmarked vehicles.

[QUOTE]I've been involved in a couple of conversations with taxi drivers. Both were nice guys, but they lived in rough areas. One was from Manrique and the other lived in Paris. That one even showed us his house. However, there are plenty of not so nice guys in those areas. How many of them have a taxi?[/QUOTE]That's irrelevant because far more not so nice guys have regular cars.

[QUOTE]
Uber, on the other hand, has requirements for the cars they allow. It's a larger investment for the driver, plus the driver already has taxi drivers who will beat the crap out of him if they get the chance. They have a lot more at stake than a taxi driver.[/QUOTE]I ask them to take a yellow taxi because otherwise I don't know who it is when she arrives, and if I'm on a busy street which car is hers if unmarked. But I never know the taxi driver she arrives with although that is the same with Uber.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2282066]What I do is (I stay at the Botero 2 blocks from the redlight blocks) after breakfast I walk thru the Vera Cruz block and the Raudal block and see what's out, usually alone.

Dress like you are going to Home Depot to pick up some lumber, (no shorts / sandals) if you have light colored hair wear a ball cap, don't take more cash then you need, carry a photocopy of your passport and leave the real thing in your room or with the front desk, keep your phone in your pocket and don't stand around, only stop to talk to a girl, don't go after 5 pm when the locals are off work and starting to get drunk. I usually walk through 3 or 4 times a day, if you find one you want, ask her how much to play, the Vera Cruz ones should be in the 30 k range plus room (not sure how much for the room, I always hand them 50 k and tell them to keep the change as a tip) and the hotter Raudal chicks 60-80 k room incld. They will walk you a few feet to the stairs up to a short term hotel, I've been in 4 or 5, nice enough, showers, clean sheets, some have porno TV. I give them the money at the front desk so they can pay and bring my own condoms. Just because you saw nobody hot on the 1st trip doesn't mean they won't be there on the next walk thru, it is hit or miss.

Vera Cruz is the block behind the old white Iglesia de la Veracruz (construction started in 1682). You want Carr 53 between Calle 51 and 52 both side of the street. Some bars along there you can go in for a beer. Ignore most the ones up front by the church, the trannies hang out there. If they look young ask to see their Cedula (ID). If you see nada, walk 2 blocks over to the Raudal area, basically the 2 northern corners of Calle 53 / Carr 54. Less women but usually some hotter ones. I find that block a little sketchier, esp as it gets later.

Remember, she has to only be $10-$20 hot.

After dark I switch to the Centro big 3 strip clubs (Conejitas, Barra Ejectiva & Maracaibo) with occasional taxis to Fase II. That is all I hit in Medellin, not a Casa fan or Escort fan due to no time to check attitude and possibly old or touched up pictures), will hit some FB friends who are super hot on my next trip most likely also.[/QUOTE]Great selection that actually exemplifies what Centro is all about. Some decent looking girls, some very young, some a bit trashy (tattoos and what not) and a real gem of a girl (the one sat on a stool with the knee-high Roman sandals and the white dress). Mind you, that's clearly just my opinion and I am sure that most of you probably wouldn't give her a second look!

But that's the beauty of El Centro, Medellin and Colombia in general. Plenty of choice for everyone!

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2282258]All that I meant was that I did not have her cancel the car. I don't know what else you are trying to say.[/QUOTE]What I'm saying is that you left a girl unattended in your apartment while you were in the shower. She called for a ride while you were in the shower. Instead of calling for a ride, she could have just unlocked the door for her friends waiting outside. That's basically how a guy got killed in Parque Lleras, December 2017. Stabbed during a robbery attempt.

February or early March of 2018 another guy left a girl unattended, while he went to the bathroom. When he came out she had taken the money from his wallet and his cellphone and left.

[QUOTE]There are several generic numbers for taxi service. If you are certain that a girl or girls to whom you gave taxi money did not call a taxi company then perhaps someone was waiting on them. My experience is that if I have a date with a girl from Bello a taxi driver is not parked down the street for two hours waiting on a 20 mil cab fare. Besides I call the taxi with an app so rarely am I not the one in touch with the taxi she leaves in. Your girls perhaps had drivers waiting in the vicinity. That happens.[/QUOTE]I'm going out on a limb here and assuming that not every woman, who is selling her ass in Medellin, is a perfect angel. I personally don't care, because I don't put myself in a situation where they can carry out any bad intentions. So the worst they can do is fail to live up to my expectations.

I've used both Tappsi and Easy Taxi apps to call cabs. If a girl is intending something bad and she knows what time she's seeing you, it's not difficult to have her friend come to her place and wait a few minutes for the pick up to go out over Easy Taxi. Just like, if she knows she'll be done with you at a certain time, it's not difficult to have a friend waiting to pick her up. Even if he's waiting 2 hours, what's he losing? 30 k? 50 k? Hell, if you're repeating with a girl, she already knows she'll be left alone to open the door while you're in the shower.

[QUOTE]She might arrive with a familiar driver the first time she meets me but that's likely for her security. We know fewer crimes are committed in cooperation with taxis than unmarked vehicles.[/QUOTE]Pardon me, but how do we know this? This sounds a lot like something made up because it supports your beliefs.

I've had 3 taxi drivers pick me up with the meter already well above the start rate. The first time I didn't notice it until I was halfway home. Cost me 12 k for a 6 k ride. The other times I caught it. I've had more than one driver try to give me the wrong change. In one case he claimed I had given him 10 k when I gave him 20 k. I've had a driver give me a counterfeit bill on change. A friend had a driver drive off with her cellphone. I had a driver attempt to drive off with my luggage. I've had drivers take "shortcuts" to run up the meter.

To be fair, I've had drivers who refused a tip, who gave me back my money when I mistakenly handed over a 50 k bill instead of a 5 k bill and who have been exceptionally kind, helpful and polite. Assuming someone is good or bad depending on whether they drive a taxi or an Uber is just wishful thinking.

[QUOTE]That's irrelevant because far more not so nice guys have regular cars.[/QUOTE]Once again, this is silly. If you had said "motos" I would have agreed with you. I've been up where the not so nice guys live. Not a lot of garages up there. Not a lot of Renault or Chevy cars (the 2 types that most often show when I call Uber) parked on the street. Some old Mazdas and Nissans, some old Renaults, but not much in the way of late model sedans.

[QUOTE]I ask them to take a yellow taxi because otherwise I don't know who it is when she arrives, and if I'm on a busy street which car is hers if unmarked. But I never know the taxi driver she arrives with although that is the same with Uber.[/QUOTE]Now you're on to something. If you used an app to send a taxi to her, you know the license number and it's easy to see which one she is in. However, if you used Uber to call for a ride, you know the license number and the make and model of the car. And it's easy to see which one she is in.h

You do what works for you. But don't confuse the situation with exaggerated risks. You're putting yourself in a much riskier situation every time you leave a girl alone while you shower, than you are by letting her arrange her own ride.

[QUOTE=Eb1989;2282203]How do I find instagram fitness model level hot 10's? Haven't had any luck getting responses to DMs on tinder, instagram, or facebook. Do casas or strip clubs have 10's, or mostly 7's and 8's?[/QUOTE]You might find one you think is a 10 at the upper end strip clubs but one we all think is a 10 is either a Trophy Wife, a model or in Dubai or has a Cartel member who weighs his money to count it giving her a $5 to 10 grand.

[QUOTE=Eb1989;2282203]How do I find instagram fitness model level hot 10's? Haven't had any luck getting responses to DMs on tinder, instagram, or facebook. Do casas or strip clubs have 10's, or mostly 7's and 8's?[/QUOTE]I've read on previous posts here that La Isla has fitness model level 10's.

I appreciate all of the recent posts about mongering in El Centro. I'm leaning towards staying in this area for my trip later this year. Is Nutibara a good hotel to stay at? Chica friendly, hassle free? Or, is the best recommendation to use the love motels? I've traveled to San Jose and Sosua, and I've always just brought the girls back to my room at Chica friendly hotels. Are the love motels sketchy, or easy to use? Will the girl just know of a decent one to take me to? My Spanish is basic, but I'm getting better. Studying online. Thanks.

Hey guys,

I am arriving in Medellin this week so I am brainstorming for important information as it comes to me.

One concern / question I have is about bringing a girl or girls back to my apartment with me. I have talked to many girls on cupid, so the arrangement requires going somewhere to have fun. I shouldn't have any lobby entry issues for being shaken down for money since I have an apartment rented in El Poblado area, but I have read some stories on occasion about the possibility of "sticky fingers" in my apartment, and even worse, girls that cause problems, especially when you bring more than one girl back. I plan to have more than one threesome during my trip so I am curious what that can involve. My apartment is my private sanctuary of course and these girls are all strangers to me, so I would like to get any and all thoughts on this topic. I speak almost no Spanish, but I do know some basic words. However a translator will be a requirement for me.

Thanks.

There is no single place where you can find a 10. That being said, your 10 may be different than anyone else 10. Also there is a higher concentrations of better looking girls in the strip clubs but from my experience the hotter the girl the worse the service it will be. She knows that she is going to go up regardless and she does; t need repeat costumers so she will not put that much effort into it. The 2 hottest girl I have ever bagged where from Casas the best looking and best service and still wouldn't give them a 10. I don't believe there is such a thing in my book. Good luck finding them!

[QUOTE=Eb1989;2282203]How do I find instagram fitness model level hot 10's? Haven't had any luck getting responses to DMs on tinder, instagram, or facebook. Do casas or strip clubs have 10's, or mostly 7's and 8's?[/QUOTE]

Hello gents,

I'm flying into MDE tonight will be there until the 15th, anybody want to grab a drink or do the street / casa scene? Share some stories.

Of course everyone has different tastes but I have also heard the Cartel members get the first crack st the hottest girls in Colombia. They get beauty pageant contestants models tv personalities.

These girls will not be available to gringo mongers in their prime. Once they taste the lifestyle and money they go after Arab money next.

After they hit their late 20's and the next groups of 10's replace them they've prob had a kid or 2 from the BBFS they have to do for insane amounts of Cartel money they'll go to Dubai or Europe to try to make as much as they can and.

That's when you'll see them at the casas or clubs depending on how well they age.

However most guys here including myself would think a colombiana who is an 8 is a 10 in the states which is why we still come back.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2282554]Of course everyone has different tastes but I have also heard the Cartel members get the first crack st the hottest girls in Colombia. They get beauty pageant contestants models tv personalities.

These girls will not be available to gringo mongers in their prime. Once they taste the lifestyle and money they go after Arab money next.

After they hit their late 20's and the next groups of 10's replace them they've prob had a kid or 2 from the BBFS they have to do for insane amounts of Cartel money they'll go to Dubai or Europe to try to make as much as they can and.

That's when you'll see them at the casas or clubs depending on how well they age.

However most guys here including myself would think a colombiana who is an 8 is a 10 in the states which is why we still come back.[/QUOTE]Unless you are a Cartel Member or Arab who has bought some of these Medellin girls, please be mindful and open minded about speculations. If you mention money in this forum you will be bashed, if you mention Centro they will say you will be robbed. I will tell you this, I exclusively monger in Centro, and I have met plenty of girls who meet my standards. Many on the board will tell you that they have had beauties beyond belief, but never one pic. The most common excuse is this, I respect the girl. If they respected the girl, they would not pay her for sex and would tell her to find some upstanding work, but that's not neither here nor there.

Plenty of people have inboxed me and I have sent them photos of girls and numbers and the nearly 95% of the guys ask about the skinny girls that I send and truly I am a ass man, so once again, landing a 10 is in the eye of the beholder. I have come to terms that many mongers have a little woman syndrome and they won't spinners under a 100 lbs and under 5 foot. Then this is what you need to say, don't just say, I want a 10. To be honest, most of the chics I see guys chasing are extremely young looking and that's cool, but say that, don't just say, I want a 10.

My favorite chic is a few girls from Centro, who allow all 3 hole access, and swallow and do anything you ask for the pesos. If you are obsessed with physical beauty then you should also say that, but for me, performance is what makes a woman a 10, not just looks. I have had many chics in Casas that wouldn't let me take pics, or wanted a tip for BBBJ and had too many rules. The 10 factor is all in the mind and you have to know what your 10 factor is and what you are willing to pay. Fortunately, I take enough pesos with me to achieve every desire I can think of, that's what a monger has to be honest with himself about. What services and looks do you want for the pesos that you are spending. I can't tell you how much money to bring, as this is also a problem starter. If you happen to see a Unicorn and you have to have her, it would be ashame to miss that Unicorn due to lack of funds. To all Mongers have fun, be safe and I will see Medellin in March. Pollo Negro is out!

You left out the Curacao / Aruba / Saint Martin circuit. It's real. What the cartels do or don't do makes no difference to me. What little I know of that world does not appeal to me in any way.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2282554]Of course everyone has different tastes but I have also heard the Cartel members get the first crack st the hottest girls in Colombia. They get beauty pageant contestants models tv personalities.

These girls will not be available to gringo mongers in their prime. Once they taste the lifestyle and money they go after Arab money next.

After they hit their late 20's and the next groups of 10's replace them they've prob had a kid or 2 from the BBFS they have to do for insane amounts of Cartel money they'll go to Dubai or Europe to try to make as much as they can and.

That's when you'll see them at the casas or clubs depending on how well they age.

However most guys here including myself would think a colombiana who is an 8 is a 10 in the states which is why we still come back.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Eb1989;2282184]How do I get an instagram model level girl? I've been sending DMs on tinder, facebook, and instagram (skipping Colombian cupid and SA for now) and not really getting any responses from 9's and 10's. I've just been introducing myself as an American tourist who will be visiting and ask if they will show me Medellin. Maybe just messaging the wrong girls, any leads of girls would be appreciated![/QUOTE]In my case it was it was a combination of blind luck and casting a large net, messaging hundreds of girls on facebook. It was only after I slept with them and added their instagram pages did I realize they had 150,000+ followers.

My introductory message has never varied; I'm visiting Colombia and would love to meet them. Short and straight to the point.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2282554]Of course everyone has different tastes but I have also heard the Cartel members get the first crack st the hottest girls in Colombia. They get beauty pageant contestants models tv personalities.

These girls will not be available to gringo mongers in their prime. Once they taste the lifestyle and money they go after Arab money next.[/QUOTE]I think we need to take a step back from the Narcos and Sicario series. There are lots of '10's' that aren't involved in anything nefarious. The criminal organizations are not efficient enough to grab all of them into some bizarre cartel to arabs ladder system. Most never really retire because unless you work for a multinational or run a successful business you aren't going to earn much in Colombia.

I forgot to mention Tinder is chock full of model profiles, most of which also list their instagram page and tell you to message them there.

[QUOTE=Vern2020;2282456] Is Nutibara a good hotel to stay at? Chica friendly, hassle free? Or, is the best recommendation to use the love motels? Are the love motels sketchy, or easy to use? Will the girl just know of a decent one to take me to? .[/QUOTE]I think but am not sure Nutribara is no guests after 9 pm but I'd email or write them. I stay behind there at the Botero, review in the MED hotel thread, post #925.

I have used the love Hotel Eros in Centro, it was easy and nice, had a steam room and a hot tub in my room. But cab there, sketchy area.

Next time I think I will try the Hotel 3 the Suite, rooms look nice.

This page has a drop down menu with lots of Love Hotels.

[URL]https://sexosentido.co/hotel-3d-suite-medellin/habitaciones/[/URL]

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2282601]I think we need to take a step back from the Narcos and Sicario series. There are lots of '10's' that aren't involved in anything nefarious. The criminal organizations are not efficient enough to grab all of them into some bizarre cartel to arabs ladder system. Most never really retire because unless you work for a multinational or run a successful business you aren't going to earn much in Colombia.[/QUOTE]A year ago, I fell in love with the Medellin post for Colombia, because it seemed exciting and the girls seemed incredible. The girls are incredible, Medellin is a beautiful place to find girls and members will do anything do distract other members from finding quality chics. I went to Medellin and hooked up with wolf and he taught me the ropes. I went back 16 more times after that. One day, members find 10's, then they get'them cheap, then the Casas's are the best thing smoking and the truth is its just distraction.

There are only a few members who post worthwhile photos, information and location of Casas and trustworthy girls. Out of respect, if you're not a Cartel member, leave them guys to do their own thing. If your pesos are little, then save more, and then go find you some expensive chics with horrible sex. But let me assure you, no one has better sex than a chic with a hungry child and an impending rent bill, that's why most chics are in Vera Cruz. Look back through my posts and you will see I post hotel rooms, girls, locations. Look through the many posts and you will see Hotel Normandia is girl friendly, clean, old but it is only $16.00/ day.

On a bright note, the Cartel, does not really deal with everyday chicas who work in this profession, these girls talk too much, and it puts the Cartel at risk, so don't worry about banging the Cartel's girl, they wouldn't risk dealing with these loose ends, only mongers like us care about banging these chics and we have no Narco's they can rat on us about, Pollo Negro is out. LOL.

[QUOTE=Kavin76;2282484]Hey guys,

I am arriving in Medellin this week so I am brainstorming for important information as it comes to me.

One concern / question I have is about bringing a girl or girls back to my apartment with me. I have talked to many girls on cupid, so the arrangement requires going somewhere to have fun. I shouldn't have any lobby entry issues for being shaken down for money since I have an apartment rented in El Poblado area, but I have read some stories on occasion about the possibility of "sticky fingers" in my apartment, and even worse, girls that cause problems, especially when you bring more than one girl back. I plan to have more than one threesome during my trip so I am curious what that can involve. My apartment is my private sanctuary of course and these girls are all strangers to me, so I would like to get any and all thoughts on this topic. I speak almost no Spanish, but I do know some basic words. However a translator will be a requirement for me.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]If you are going to participate in this type of activity, you must know there's always a risk, whether it is the risk of being robbed, drugged, beaten by thugs, etc. If you want risk free simply don't partake in this hobby because it doesn't exist. Having said that, you can minimize the potential for being a victim. My recommendations: 1) Don't leave your drinks unattended, better to open your own beer and hold it in your hand. Best to not drink so as you're in control and alert at all times. 2) Don't do drugs as you're going to lose control of the situation. 3) keep your valuables and belongings hidden and in a safe place. I split then hide my currency, passport, etc. In multiple places so if one place is discovered and stolen all is not lost. 4) Don't leave the chicas alone and don't let them split from you. All three take a shower together, go to the balcony together, smoke the cigarette outside together, etc. Etc. You always want to be in visual contact with the chicas 4) once inside the apt, lock the door and take out the key so the chics can't let someone in. Most need a key to lock and don't operate with a latch which is ideal 5) if there's a doorman / security, slip them little cash and ask them to call you and check on you before they let the girls leave the building.

This post is directed to expats living in CO or knowledgeable about the subject. It has nothing to do with the theme of this board, sorry. I hesitate to get too personal, but screw it. For those that subscribe to expat boards, I've also asked the same question on another board. Please excuse the repetition.

I'm an American looking to retire in Medellin or possibly Cali or elsewhere, though my experience outside Medellin is very limited. I only mention Cali as I believe the cost of living is less than Medellin and I like warm weather. I'd like to inquire what kind of life I would have living on a small pension of about $2200 monthly. The best I can tell from my visits is that my standard of living would be much lower than it is now.

Not to get into all the gory details, I lost my business and with it, my savings. Hence, I have to rely on my pension. Although I'm a professional and have commanded a good salary, at 67 I find that jobs are much more difficult to come by. I was recently laid off and can't even get an interview. Besides, after over 50 years of working, I'm ready to leave the cold winters here in the northeast and enjoy retired life.

Is a decent apartment in a relatively safe area with enough left over for food, modest entertainment, basic medical (I'm healthy), etc possible in my circumstances? The decision I need to make is whether to struggle to look for work so I can replenish my savings somewhat or take the plunge and retire. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Jooks;2282778]This post is directed to expats living in CO or knowledgeable about the subject. It has nothing to do with the theme of this board, sorry. I hesitate to get too personal, but screw it. For those that subscribe to expat boards, I've also asked the same question on another board. Please excuse the repetition.

I'm an American looking to retire in Medellin or possibly Cali or elsewhere, though my experience outside Medellin is very limited. I only mention Cali as I believe the cost of living is less than Medellin and I like warm weather. I'd like to inquire what kind of life I would have living on a small pension of about $2200 monthly. The best I can tell from my visits is that my standard of living would be much lower than it is now.

Not to get into all the gory details, I lost my business and with it, my savings. Hence, I have to rely on my pension. Although I'm a professional and have commanded a good salary, at 67 I find that jobs are much more difficult to come by. I was recently laid off and can't even get an interview. Besides, after over 50 years of working, I'm ready to leave the cold winters here in the northeast and enjoy retired life.

Is a decent apartment in a relatively safe area with enough left over for food, modest entertainment, basic medical (I'm healthy), etc possible in my circumstances? The decision I need to make is whether to struggle to look for work so I can replenish my savings somewhat or take the plunge and retire. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Our story is similar and I am also planning to retire in next few years in a warm country full of beauties. Of course, you can live a comfortable life for your monthly pension if you do not monger. Being american, you might find a young colombian as a wife.

[QUOTE=Vern2020;2282456]I appreciate all of the recent posts about mongering in El Centro. I'm leaning towards staying in this area for my trip later this year. Is Nutibara a good hotel to stay at? Chica friendly, hassle free? Or, is the best recommendation to use the love motels? I've traveled to San Jose and Sosua, and I've always just brought the girls back to my room at Chica friendly hotels. Are the love motels sketchy, or easy to use? Will the girl just know of a decent one to take me to? My Spanish is basic, but I'm getting better. Studying online. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Hotel Nutibara is a grand old hotel that after 6 PM no outside guests are allowed.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2282554].........After they hit their late 20's and the next groups of 10's replace them they've prob had a kid or 2 from the BBFS they have to do for insane amounts of Cartel money they'll go to Dubai or Europe to try to make as much as they can and.............[/QUOTE]From the well over 200 chicas I have seen in casas so far this trip very few are in their late 20's. The vast majority are in their early 20's. A few even in their late teens.

[QUOTE=TheCarlAnthony;2281901]How do you operate Centro! I have done every single method also! Except Centro! I have a skewed vision of it after watching YouTube videos. Maybe it's me but it seems like the most uncomfortable way of mongering. I imagine walking down some 3rd world looking street. Passing by shady guys and looking like a sore thumb. Then walking up to a group of thirsty unattractive women. Looking at them then walking as they make cat calls at me as I continue down ghetto streets on foot looking for a diamond in the ruff. LOL.

My thought process to avoid this scenario was find some sort of transportation (in a car seems safer). Maybe asking the cab driver to circle around until I found my diamond. Putting down the window. She walks over. Negotiates. Hope's in then off we go to either my alt or a love motel of my choosing.

Mind you, I monger alone so what is the real way of doing this safely and with a bit of dignity LOL. The whole walking the streets just doesn't seem realistic for a foreigner. What's your methods? In detail please.[/QUOTE]Bicycle! On bike I can give you a perspective of Medellin like no other. Sketchy areas seem not quite as sketchy. We can cover 10 times more ground on bicyle than on foot and you will notice 1000 times more detail than if you were cruising around in a car. I know the city very well. Who wants to ride bikes?

[QUOTE=HasideasTao;2282836]Bicycle! On bike I can give you a perspective of Medellin like no other. Sketchy areas seem not quite as sketchy. We can cover 10 times more ground on bicyle than on foot and you will notice 1000 times more detail than if you were cruising around in a car. I know the city very well. Who wants to ride bikes?[/QUOTE]I'm an avid cyclist and gave up my car for a bike. I live just outside NYC. Biking the streets is hazardous most everywhere though. I can't imagine navigating the streets of Medellin on bike, especially not knowing the city well. There doesn't seem to be many bike lanes. And motorists are completely crazy in Medellin as is the case in much of Latin America. It is dangerous enough for a pedestrian. Perhaps when I get there you can show me the way.

[QUOTE=TheCarlAnthony;2281901]My thought process to avoid this scenario was find some sort of transportation (in a car seems safer). Maybe asking the cab driver to circle around until I found my diamond. Putting down the window. She walks over. Negotiates. Hope's in then off we go to either my alt or a love motel of my choosing.[/QUOTE]Now that is what would be weird to me. When you walk you go at your own pace and can stop and talk to whoever whenever. Turn around and walk back in the same direction. If you are in a car you have to go with the flow of traffic. Then say you pass by and see a chick you like. You tell the taxi to circle back around. By then a guy like me has already walked up and taken her. Then people see the same car stopping and going and circling around and it looks suspicious. Don't try to reinvent the wheel. There are thousands of people everyday walking and doing this and you want to be the only one in a car sticking out like a sore thumb.

[QUOTE=Jooks;2282778]This post is directed to expats living in CO or knowledgeable about the subject. It has nothing to do with the theme of this board, sorry. I hesitate to get too personal, but screw it. For those that subscribe to expat boards, I've also asked the same question on another board. Please excuse the repetition.

I'm an American looking to retire in Medellin or possibly Cali or elsewhere, though my experience outside Medellin is very limited. I only mention Cali as I believe the cost of living is less than Medellin and I like warm weather. I'd like to inquire what kind of life I would have living on a small pension of about $2200 monthly. The best I can tell from my visits is that my standard of living would be much lower than it is now.

Not to get into all the gory details, I lost my business and with it, my savings. Hence, I have to rely on my pension. Although I'm a professional and have commanded a good salary, at 67 I find that jobs are much more difficult to come by. I was recently laid off and can't even get an interview. Besides, after over 50 years of working, I'm ready to leave the cold winters here in the northeast and enjoy retired life.

Is a decent apartment in a relatively safe area with enough left over for food, modest entertainment, basic medical (I'm healthy), etc possible in my circumstances? The decision I need to make is whether to struggle to look for work so I can replenish my savings somewhat or take the plunge and retire. Thanks.[/QUOTE]There is a thread called: "Living and retirement in Medellin" in the user blogs, lots of good info there:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3319-Living-and-retirement-in-Medellin[/URL]

Also the Miami Herald recently covered that:

[URL]https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/colombia/article203230594.html?fbclid=IwAR2ArTL-GuwIOtASnesXaMi3PUBn90FsCX5NFtkLQWchnGB-sHtkev_51Jw[/URL]

My buddy Steward who is retired in Med, after living at the Hotel Botero for a year got a apt:

It is in Belen La Palma, has a balcony, living room, bedroom, bathroom and kitchen for $240 a month, utilities included. Says he's surrounded by good neighborhoods, two blocks from an Exito, 10 minutes walk from Los Molinos Mall.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2282822]From the well over 200 chicas I have seen in casas so far this trip very few are in their late 20's. The vast majority are in their early 20's. A few even in their late teens.[/QUOTE]Which Casas have you been to?

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2282585]Unless you are a Cartel Member or Arab who has bought some of these Medellin girls, please be mindful and open minded about speculations. If you mention money in this forum you will be bashed, if you mention Centro they will say you will be robbed. I will tell you this, I exclusively monger in Centro, and I have met plenty of girls who meet my standards. Many on the board will tell you that they have had beauties beyond belief, but never one pic. The most common excuse is this, I respect the girl. If they respected the girl, they would not pay her for sex and would tell her to find some upstanding work, but that's not neither here nor there.

Plenty of people have inboxed me and I have sent them photos of girls and numbers and the nearly 95% of the guys ask about the skinny girls that I send and truly I am a ass man, so once again, landing a 10 is in the eye of the beholder. I have come to terms that many mongers have a little woman syndrome and they won't spinners under a 100 lbs and under 5 foot. Then this is what you need to say, don't just say, I want a 10. To be honest, most of the chics I see guys chasing are extremely young looking and that's cool, but say that, don't just say, I want a 10.

My favorite chic is a few girls from Centro, who allow all 3 hole access, and swallow and do anything you ask for the pesos. If you are obsessed with physical beauty then you should also say that, but for me, performance is what makes a woman a 10, not just looks. I have had many chics in Casas that wouldn't let me take pics, or wanted a tip for BBBJ and had too many rules. The 10 factor is all in the mind and you have to know what your 10 factor is and what you are willing to pay. Fortunately, I take enough pesos with me to achieve every desire I can think of, that's what a monger has to be honest with himself about. What services and looks do you want for the pesos that you are spending. I can't tell you how much money to bring, as this is also a problem starter. If you happen to see a Unicorn and you have to have her, it would be ashame to miss that Unicorn due to lack of funds. To all Mongers have fun, be safe and I will see Medellin in March. Pollo Negro is out![/QUOTE]PolloNegro is completely legit as the tall man has connected with him off line and I for one appreciate his honesty and style for the chicas, lets just say that we have chica freinds in common, jajajaja.

So many guys are chasing the 10 for whatever that means, now I must admit that in years past that I, when I had a shit load of discretionary income to burn, have paid handsomely for a real top 10 model type material, but things change and I am on the low key budget manager system for stretching my pesos and guess what I am having a blast with the centro chicas and other low volume under the radar girl next door, who like PolloNegro some of you would go "WTF", to each his own, just be real and have fun and go with the flow.

The Tall Man.

I start by Veracruz church. Walk down beside it, make a right, walk all the way down to the end of the block, cross the street and walk the other side. I then circle back to the girl I liked most or sit down at a bar and have a drink. There will also be girls in the bars you don't see as you walk by. Im sure we stick out but the street is bustling with traffic, venders, delivery trucks, and other pedestrians going about their day. I personally don't walk around long and find a good viewpoint from the bar. You will have venders walking up trying to sell you everything under the sun. I otherwise haven't been bothered. It is cheap and a fun hunt for something I like. Which is not always immediate so go shopping, have lunch, check out the musuem, Botero statues, then walk back through. So much to see/do down there. Easy to spend the whole day down there for me.
The Ruadal area is close as well if you prefer to head to that area for a loop.
[QUOTE=TheCarlAnthony;2281901]How do you operate Centro! I have done every single method also! Except Centro! I have a skewed vision of it after watching YouTube videos. Maybe it's me but it seems like the most uncomfortable way of mongering. I imagine walking down some 3rd world looking street. Passing by shady guys and looking like a sore thumb. Then walking up to a group of thirsty unattractive women. Looking at them then walking as they make cat calls at me as I continue down ghetto streets on foot looking for a diamond in the ruff. LOL.

My thought process to avoid this scenario was find some sort of transportation (in a car seems safer). Maybe asking the cab driver to circle around until I found my diamond. Putting down the window. She walks over. Negotiates. Hope's in then off we go to either my alt or a love motel of my choosing.

Mind you, I monger alone so what is the real way of doing this safely and with a bit of dignity LOL. The whole walking the streets just doesn't seem realistic for a foreigner. What's your methods? In detail please.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2283021]PolloNegro is completely legit as the tall man has connected with him off line and I for one appreciate his honesty and style for the chicas, lets just say that we have chica freinds in common, jajajaja.

So many guys are chasing the 10 for whatever that means, now I must admit that in years past that I, when I had a shit load of discretionary income to burn, have paid handsomely for a real top 10 model type material, but things change and I am on the low key budget manager system for stretching my pesos and guess what I am having a blast with the centro chicas and other low volume under the radar girl next door, who like PolloNegro some of you would go "WTF", to each his own, just be real and have fun and go with the flow.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]I am on colombian cupid and my search indicates that the women in Bogota are pretties then Medellin.

I'm making my maiden trip to Medellin 2nd-3rd week of March, and have been reading the forum extensively. I have set up a faux Facebook page and plan to step out into centro since by all accounts, I fit in there. I was wondering if you guys could share a name or some names to add to my account. I have WhatsApp too PN but I can't pay to be a member for some fucked up reasons and was hoping you could give a helping hand.

[QUOTE=Jooks;2282778]This post is directed to expats living in CO or knowledgeable about the subject. It has nothing to do with the theme of this board, sorry. I hesitate to get too personal, but screw it. For those that subscribe to expat boards, I've also asked the same question on another board. Please excuse the repetition.

I'm an American looking to retire in Medellin or possibly Cali or elsewhere, though my experience outside Medellin is very limited. I only mention Cali as I believe the cost of living is less than Medellin and I like warm weather. I'd like to inquire what kind of life I would have living on a small pension of about $2200 monthly. The best I can tell from my visits is that my standard of living would be much lower than it is now.

Not to get into all the gory details, I lost my business and with it, my savings. Hence, I have to rely on my pension. Although I'm a professional and have commanded a good salary, at 67 I find that jobs are much more difficult to come by. I was recently laid off and can't even get an interview. Besides, after over 50 years of working, I'm ready to leave the cold winters here in the northeast and enjoy retired life.

Is a decent apartment in a relatively safe area with enough left over for food, modest entertainment, basic medical (I'm healthy), etc possible in my circumstances? The decision I need to make is whether to struggle to look for work so I can replenish my savings somewhat or take the plunge and retire. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I'll respond in the General thread, since this relates to more than just Medellin.

[QUOTE=Nyahbinghi83;2283039]I'm making my maiden trip to Medellin 2nd-3rd week of March, and have been reading the forum extensively. I have set up a faux Facebook page and plan to step out into centro since by all accounts, I fit in there. I was wondering if you guys could share a name or some names to add to my account. I have WhatsApp too PN but I can't pay to be a member for some fucked up reasons and was hoping you could give a helping hand.[/QUOTE]In Centro Mar 7-21 you will definitely see me, and we can link up, I can show you the ropes and Vera Cruz.

[QUOTE=PaisaPorFavor;2283022]I start by Veracruz church. Walk down beside it, make a right, walk all the way down to the end of the block, cross the street and walk the other side. I then circle back to the girl I liked most or sit down at a bar and have a drink. There will also be girls in the bars you don't see as you walk by. Im sure we stick out but the street is bustling with traffic, venders, delivery trucks, and other pedestrians going about their day. I personally don't walk around long and find a good viewpoint from the bar. You will have venders walking up trying to sell you everything under the sun. I otherwise haven't been bothered. It is cheap and a fun hunt for something I like. Which is not always immediate so go shopping, have lunch, check out the musuem, Botero statues, then walk back through. So much to see/do down there. Easy to spend the whole day down there for me.
The Ruadal area is close as well if you prefer to head to that area for a loop.
.[/QUOTE]I decided to walk through the areas of El Centro frequented by street walkers in the afternoon yesterday and was struck by the numbers of young attractive chicas I saw mainly standing at doorways. Most of them actually ignored me among the hustle and bustle that was going on which made me feel that I was not all that noticeable which I like. I will feel way too self conscious grabbing one at that time of day but some evening or night time activity is definitely in the offing.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2283016]Which Casas have you been to?[/QUOTE]For Americans on a short trip the best bet is either New Life or Energy. Why go spending a lot of time moving around from one casa to the other? I have seen numerous Americans in those two casas who appeared to be very contented with their sessions. These two casas have the widest selections of over 20 chicas on any given day and the chances of getting someone to your liking is high. Those who like big bundas will not be disappointed especially at New Life although there are flacas in both casas. The flaca I had in New Life was 19 years old.