Amsterdam

>>>"Just be sure that the "she" is really a "she" and not a she-male. It's sometimes very difficult to tell...."<<<

If "she" was close to Love Club 21 then you got a "he"!!! They are pretty hard to tell sometimes ;-)

Gettingtang:

>>>For those who have been to both Thailand and Amsterdam, how does the overall service compare?<<<

I am lucky enough to go to Thailand twice a year on business (each trip involves 3 weekends - don't ask but it works for me!) I also go to Amsterdam 2 or 3 times a year as well.

You simply cannot compare LOS and Amsterdam, either on a cost per pop basis or any other kind of measure. LOS will win hands down each and every time.

My advice for what it might be worth to you is to take a month out and spend it in LOS. Get to know some real Thai people and if you are really lucky you might end up with a GTG (Good Thai Girl) girl friend but it won't happen over night.

Make a Thai girl smile, even better laugh and she will do just about anything for you. If you are very lucky and she likes you and not just your baht and she smiles at you from her heart, she will rock your world completely.

Thaipan

Hi Folks,

I was in Amsterdam this week and I stayed 4 days in the city. Now, I can say the most updated news about fucking guide in Amsterdam. Follow me carrefully, here we go:

1. Accomodation:
All the hotels in Amsterdam are very expensive, if you look at the internet booking the hotels are between 100-800 euro per night. I did this mistake and booked a hotel from internet. I stayed in Hotel Korenaer and it was 70 euro per night and shortly it was terribly dirty and uncomfortable. Do never trust in internet hotel booking in Amsterdam. Always try to chose a hotel at Damrak or Leisplein or Rembrandsplein. Your first choice should be Damrak area because it is just a walking distance to red light district and also central bus and tram station is in Damrak. When you arrive to Schiphol airport, there is a train to Damrak and it is about 3.10 euro. If you take a bus to Damrak it is about 10.50 euro. The taxi is about 50 euro. So, take the train!!! When you come to Damrak, you can find very cheap hotels. Just walk to the red light district and look at the hotels on the road. They are between 50-70 euro per night and hostels are about 20 euro per night. If you go to very good hotels as Hotel Grandnapolsky you have to pay about 250 euro per night...Here are my hotel recommendations for you: Hotel De Koopermoolen, Hotel Centrum, Bulldog Hotel, Hotel Neutraal, Damrak Hotel.

2. Transport:
Always use the public transportation. Newer take a taxi. The best thing is to get an daily ticket from Damrak central station. It is about 5.5 euro and you can use unlimited time bus and tram all day long. If you stay in Damrak, you have no problem in terms of transportation.

3. Fucking (Red Light District):
They call the famous houses as "Kameers". All the girls are at the window and you go and choose whoever you want. Fucking is starndart price as 50 euro. It includes blowjob with condom and one-position fucking that is the missionary. If you want to make other position, she asks extra 25 euro. I fucked 6 girls in 4 days and I can say that the first rule is to bargain at the beginning. these are my experiences. First rule, never go to a woman if she doesn't have an eye contact with you at the window. Otherwise she just stay in the bed and asks you "hurry up" and you have a terrible fucking. If you have an eye contact then she opens the window and invites you inside. Don't go immediately, firstly ask money and start bargainig...one blow-job plus two positions as missionary and doggie style and at least 20 minutes. If she accepts go inside and start fucking. In such a busy environment you may have an erection problem, so don't forget to bring some viagra with you to Amsterdam. Because you can't find Viagra even in the blak market in Red Light District. They sell a herbal viagra, it works but expensive (I tried one night and it was about 12 euro each tablet). The second rule is newer go to black or Thai women in the Kameers. They are dirty, smell terrible and mostly they have some disease (now, many people in this forum will criticise me but believe me I am saying truth...) Chose a dutch girl and have a nice fucking.

3. Fucking (Crazy Parties-the best way of fucking a Dutch girl)
Unfortunately, I could learn this way of fucking in my last two days...There are parties in Amsterdam in every night and marvelous dutch girls are always going to these parties. This is the best way to find good and clean girls in Amsterdam. The most difficult question is to learn the party places....Here is the answer...Go to the music shops and ask the guys "where is the party tonight" this is the magic word in the city...Parties are mostly in Leidsplein or Rembrandsplein area. From Damrak, you can go there by tram or by bus and it is about 10 minutes. But it is very difficult to enter these parties because the security guards are not welcome you in amsterdam and they mostly rejects tourists!!! But, give 20 euro to the guy at the security and you are now welcome!!! Believe me this is the best way to find a dutch lady in the city. But, don't hurry up, in this parties you can not take a girl to your hotel...There are "after parties" which you can only learn in this parties and in the "after party" you can pick up a lady. After parties are very private and they never announce it.

(to be continues)

Mahatma:

Thank you for the wonderful and detailed report.

PLEASE next time when you go back to Amsterdam, never pay more than 40 Euro for a Lady at RLD. All the tourists have jacked up these prices so much! And, if you walk around and talk to them a little bit, you can try all the positions for the same price! They know when they have a tourist on their hand, and they will do their best to get the most out of you! I have done one hour sessions for less than 80 Euro with Dutch Ladies in RLD. Always negotiate!

ALSO, please refrain from stereotyping the Ladies in RLD, and calling them "smelly, dirty, and with disease". They are lot of black Ladies and Thai Ladies that are in RLD, and they are wonderful!

BTW, in Amsterdam, you can ask the hotel receptionist (10 Euro tip!) to find you a doctor (35-50 Euro for doctor), and the doctor can give you a prescription for Viagra over the phone, and call it into nearby pharmacy. Cost per 100 mg Viagra is about 5 Euro in Amsterdam, at the local pharmacy. (Price as of April 2003)

After Prague and Moscow, Amsterdam is still the best place for fun and sex! Don't pay too much, and negotiate to keep the prices down.

And, if you want good clean sex, with no rush, try the Sex Clubs, like Park 118, Asmara, and Milau for 60-75 Euro an hour!

Fred

Mahatma, as you might guess from my nick name I am partial to Thai ladies :-)

Thank you for your excellent report, I would just like to add that I found your observation about Thai's difficult to comprehend as I travel to Thailand a lot and have never come across a smelly or diseased Thai woman yet - there will always be a first time though! You have obviously not been through the towel routine yet!

Even in the Amsterdam RLD the Thai's are generally reckoned to be the cleanest. What you do have to watch out for though is that all might not be what it first appears to be, especiall with the Thai's! Have a good look and if you are not sure simply ask if "she" is a lady boy. There are at least 2 that I know of in Barndesteeg that you will not be able to tell whether they are she or he!!!

In July I got talking to an off duty Thai post op lady boy in a bar (Saow Thai, best Thai food in Amsterdam but be warned the place is owned and run by ladyboys! They won't hassle you and it is good fun for a bit of people watching!) one night in the RLD, at first I wasn't sure about her so I asked in my limited Thai and she confirmed that 99% of her clients do not know that she used to be a he. I have to say that she was pretty stunning, I would have put her age at mid to late 20's but she showed me her (Dutch) passport which confirmed that she was in fact 40!!! I saw her later in her window and she / he had a body that most western women would die for!

If you want a real Thai experience, get yourself over to bangkok and have a ball. If you need information on what bars etc to go to, let me know and I will be delighted to help you out.

Thaipan

Thaipan:

The Pattaya Club is on VrolijkStraat. I have never been there, so I can't tell you about prices!

Please try this web site for more information:

The Amsterdam Walletjets: http://www.ignatzmice.com/Adam/

Do a search on "Pattaya Club" (on the left side!) and you will find 8-9 reports on it.

Good Luck,

Fred

Dear Mahatma,

"If you take a bus to Damrak it is about 10.50 euro."
Not really. Perhaps you asked for the price of the ticket sold on the bus, but you should buy a 15-strippenkaart in presale at railwayticketcounters, at publictransport info desks and tabaconists for €6,20. Example: It is 7 'strips' (out of 15) to Haarlem, Amsterdam is probably 5 or 6 or about €2,75!

But your dayticket public transport tip is spot on. If you plan to do any looking around, this is the way to go.

All women are subject to medical checks, your statements on Thai and black ladies in general therefore are probably a bit too harsh.
I would however avoid black ladies for a whole different reason - I don't trust them but that's probably my fault:)!

Thai ladies in Holland are not 'same-same Thai lady Thailand'. Like country girls in Pattaya quickly learn the tricks of the trade, so do the Thai girls who travel to Holland for pam-pam and the rule in Holland is: Make'em pay! But Thai ladies always have above average skills!

I take it that by 'parties' you mean what was once named 'house parties'. A good way to pick up girls indeed, if you like that groove-thang. But it's equaly easy to pick up girls in bars (café's).

In general, yes Amsterdam is expensive - as in badly overpriced - to a level where it gets pathetic. Hotels, bars and restaurants in nearby towns (like Haarlem, Leiden) are far cheaper than the Amsterdam ratholes and easy to get to. Staying there will easily save you €40-50 per day. Trains there run till about 01.00hrs and start again around 05.00hrs.

Capt Fred,

I'm not sure if a Dutch doctor will prescribe Viagra to under 40 year olds... Also €5 for 100mg Viagra pills seems a bit cheap to me.

Dear Freeler:

You are may be right about the 40's age. The Dutch doctor I spoke to over the phone, never asked me for my birthday or age! Maybe she got the information from the hotel reception before talking to me!!!

About the price, I got 10 - 100 mg (10 of 100 mg!) Viagra for 50 Euro in a pharmacy in Damsquare across from Swiss Hotel! This is as of April 2003. The best thing, the doctor was quick, and my prescription was called in 15 minutes. And, the pharmacy was 20-30 meters from Hotel (No time wasted for FUN!).

Fred

Capt Fred,

Your original post said '5 Euro in Amsterdam'.
Perhaps it's a good idea to correct that typo...

Just to compare: I bought a 100mg Viagra in Pattaya, Thailand, for B450 or €10.... And damned, it worked:D!

Freeler:

I bought 10 of the 100 mg (10 - 100 mg!) Viagra in Damsquare for 50 Euro (5 Euro each!). Not a typo! 5 Euro for one 100 mg Viagra. (as of April 2003). This is from a pharmacy, with prescription called in by the Doctor. Without insurance coverage!

Forgive me, but did you get the Viagra in Thailand with prescription or black market? Maybe that is why so much higher!

In USA, I can get Viagra by prescription for $2 a piece. My insurance covers it! Most of the time, when I visit my regular doctor in USA, I just ask for free samples (they come in 6 pack!) You won't believe how often the doctors in USA try to push this product!

Fred

Capt Fred,

I'm not sure if Viagra is legal at all in Thailand. Recently pharmacies that sold it have been raided by police...
Thai pharmacies are totally different from the 'apotheek' in Holland. Dutch 'apotheek' basically supply prescription drugs only.
In Thailand a pharmacy will sell any drug they have. Some drugs, like malaria drugs, are available at special hospitals only.
The price for Viagra in Thailand is typically B400-500 or €8-10 each.
I'm pretty sure the 'old' guilder price for Viagra in Holland was NLG40 each or about €18 in the new currency.
$2 per pill!
Let me know when you're in the Low Countries again, OK:D?

Hi Capt Fred,

Thanks for the info on Pattaya Club will check it out on Ignatz, I have been to this site before but thought that part of it was only available to those with a subscription - will look properly this time.

Hi Freeler,

I think I remember your name from the Thailand section. I agree with you 100% about the coloured girls in Amstedam. I have been warned off them by several Thai girls I have come to know over the past year. They have a bad rep for ripping you off and picking your pocket at the same time so I tend to avoid them. I have also never seen one I would like to shag either for that matter! Give me a petite Thai / Oriental girl any day of the week!!!! Mind you that Thai girl with the huge tit implants on the corner opposite the Old sailor Pub leaves me stone cold too!! The girl 2 or 3 kammers up on the same side called Fa is a delight!

The Thaipan is not into big fat women with big tits and arse's the size of Africa thank you!!

Your comments about the above average skills of the Thai women is also true, in my experience and you will also get better service from them, even in Amsterdam. make the little darling smile and laugh and you are half way to heaven!!! :-)

The Thaipan

this is the rest of my last message about amsterdam (you remember i said it was gonna continue)

first of all, a couple of answers to those who replied my previous message:

to freeler:
the bus ticket is 10.50 euro from airport to city center damrak. if you don't believe me i can post the scanned bus ticket here. because i took this bus from airport and arrived my hotel. i have a paid ticket!

to capt. fred:
thank you for your warning about my stereotyping about thai women as calling them "smelly, dirty, and with disease. but, this is my experinence from the red light district in amsterdam. i bargained 4 different thai ladied in seperate nights and they all were quite same. either i was not luck in those days or they were like people as i have explained before. anyway, you are right about not my stereotyping about people.

ok, now here we continue about fuck experience in amsterdam: (those who could not follow this memo can look at my previous message.)

4. blow-job ladies on damrak:
after midnight, always check these places...damrak (the road between central station and grandnapolsky hotel. walk slowly at this road and you will see some ladies around who come closer to you and to ask you whether you want a bj or not. they all have a fix price as 10 euro for a bj. they are mostly old and homeless ladied as far as i can predict. the youngest of them i met was about 35 and she was speaking very good english. they mostly sit in front of hotel damrak and mc donalds restaurant in damrak.

5. babes & beer bar:
again, this is a wonderfull place that everyone should at least one time visit in his staying in amsterdam. this bar is just on the damrak and very close to central station. this is a bar in which wonderfull ladies are working as waitresses and they also dance on the bar. they all wear very tight dresses and they have a bikini as underwear!!!! one beer is 3.8 euro and this is really a great place. if you visit this bar, make sure that you have a seat at the bar. because all ladies are gonna dance over the bar and if you give them a 10 euro they make you a special dance!!! you can not fuck them but this is a great experience. the most terrific lady name is rosa!!! try to find her, she is really marvelous.

6. places and people that you should keep away in amsterdam:
a few words about the places and people that you should be very carrefull in amsterdam. now, i am quite sure that some members of the forum will criticise me about my generalization but these are just my experiences that i need to share with you. you can not listen to them if you want. here we go.

first of all, don't go to cock ring or hotel kabul bars in amsterdam. these are famous gay bars and if you see the beautifull ladies in these bars, this doesn't mean that they are waiting for you over there. after midnight, mostly gays are gathering in these bars.

don't go banana club and club cassa roso. even though there are beautifull shows in these clubs believe me it doesn't mean anything. you pay about 40 euro for drink and show but the show is really bullshit. i spend 25 euro in banana club for a show without drink and i paid 40 euro in cassa roso for a show including drink. believe me it was just wasting my money.

keep away from afrikans and turks ath the rld. they mostly appraoch you and ask whether you need marihuana or cocaine. if you ask any price or something else, they never leave you and follow you on the road and continue disturbing while you were walking on the street.

peep show ladies: they are about 2 euro for 5 minutes peep show and the lady immediately approaches the cabin and asks you whether you need a private cabin or not. accept private cabin and start talking with the lady. but, they always demand 20 euro for a private dance!! never give this money, ask her to continue her dance and offer the lady 100 euro for a 2 hours fucking in your hotel. they mostly asks about 400 euro for a 2 hours fucking but after bargaining they accept 150-200 euro for 2 hours fucking. always date with her at gransnapolsky hotel lobby. don't give money in the before you start fucking. in my first experience, she demanded 50 euro in advance and she said she would be in the grandnapolsky hotel at the next day at 16:00 but she didn't come and my 50 euro has gone!!! but, next day i said i'm gonna give 300 euro at the hotel and she was at the lobby and after bargainig she accepted 150 euro for 1.5 hour fucking.

(it will continue)

Thaipan,

But the Freeler IS "into big fat women with big tits and arse's the size of Africa thank you!!" and always willing to fuck them to Central African Republic and back!
But they have to be Thai...:)

The pic shows a 20yo fat Thai girl with big tits and a fat arse. And she's got a big pussy too. But that didn't fit in the frame:D
(Picture taken in Thailand)