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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1157847]I have read about people's computers being search but I honestly don't believe it. As much as I travel nothing like that has ever happened to me. I have been directed to agriculture a few times in which all you do is put your bag through the x-ray machine and I have had to do a secondary inspection once back in March arriving from Colombia into JFK.

In this instance I had already gone through immigration and was on the way through customs. I have Global Entry so I use the machine for immigration and do not have to talk to an agent. I was pretty much in a hurry but before I got to the customs agent to give him my card another customs official told me to come with her. She diverted me to a desk in the same open area where the bagage claim and customs is. She opened my suitcase and took everything out and took a screwdriver with a sharp point and poked the plastic areas inside the bag. Of course she asked me to turn my computer on but once she saw the screen working properly I was able to shut it back off. Then I had to repack my bag myself and was allowed to go on my way. I had plenty of bootleg dvds from Peru but she was not concerned about that. It is apparent that she was searching for drugs.

As I have said, after hundreds of times of entering the USA nobody has ever asked to see files on a computer or pictures from a camera. Doing this would fall under a violation of the USA Fourth Ammendment of the right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure. I advise anyone that this happens to to see a lawyer and write to their Congressperson. [/QUOTE]Do you remember Robert of "Girlfriend for a week" in Medellin? He is in federal detention in Florida awaiting trial as a result of a custom's check of his computer. The American Civil Liberties Union has litigation questioning these searches on Fourth Amendment grounds. Porno is not the issue. Kid porn will get your ass in jail, as it should.

love to see the prudes get all worked up over some old french bastard allegedly [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] a girl.

people being shocked and amazed.

get fucking real will you please. do you think no [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] happens in thailand? or in many other countries?

i am not saying this guy is not guilty. and if he is, he should be castrated, but let's not make a mountain out of a little mole. worse things happen around us.

[QUOTE=Run Mann;1157768]Scroll down and read, that's not what you wrote, you essentially questioned why the case was such a big deal because the old man was horny and just wanted sex from his maid. How do you know there's no proof, are you the Trier of fact? The police arrested him; a Judge held him, a GJ indicted him so they must have some evidence, the case won't be tried here. Let's see what happens in the court of law if it gets there. He very well may be innocent or maybe not but in no way is this allegation not a big deal and it's not just sex.[/QUOTE]Look, until he is proven guilty, then it's just sex. We can debate here all we want, we will not be the judges or jury so as far as I am concerned, opinions are like assholes.

[quote=daddy07;1157884]if the charges are false the guy should be vindicated, and if there is any reasonable doubt, he will. right now, american law presumes him innocent, which is how it should be.[/quote]if the charges are false, then the lady should be put in jail for a long time. if the charges are real, then dsk should be castrated.

[quote]but if the charges are substantiated, sexual assault is a serious crime. it's not just a horny old man having sex, and if you think so, you are attempting to minimize the charge without knowing the facts.[/quote]yeah yeah yeah. it's funny how all posts here are taken so seriously, it's a sex forum for christ's sake.

but in the interest of keeping things interesting, i'll say that:

in my opinion, there is no way to anal [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] anyone against their will. they had consensual sex and the lady decided to open her mouth later on.

[quote=1ball;1157877]polansky [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] a 14 year old was no big deal according to french law.[/quote]she was 13 years old. and the europeans still don't care.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1157847]I have read about people's computers being search but I honestly don't believe it. As much as I travel nothing like that has ever happened to me. I have been directed to agriculture a few times in which all you do is put your bag through the x-ray machine and I have had to do a secondary inspection once back in March arriving from Colombia into JFK.

In this instance I had already gone through immigration and was on the way through customs. I have Global Entry so I use the machine for immigration and do not have to talk to an agent. I was pretty much in a hurry but before I got to the customs agent to give him my card another customs official told me to come with her. She diverted me to a desk in the same open area where the bagage claim and customs is. She opened my suitcase and took everything out and took a screwdriver with a sharp point and poked the plastic areas inside the bag. Of course she asked me to turn my computer on but once she saw the screen working properly I was able to shut it back off. Then I had to repack my bag myself and was allowed to go on my way. I had plenty of bootleg dvds from Peru but she was not concerned about that. It is apparent that she was searching for drugs.

As I have said, after hundreds of times of entering the USA nobody has ever asked to see files on a computer or pictures from a camera. Doing this would fall under a violation of the USA Fourth Ammendment of the right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure. I advise anyone that this happens to to see a lawyer and write to their Congressperson. [/QUOTE]Believe it or don't but it happened to me in LAX coming back from Thailand in 2008, and was made worse by the fact my battery was dead, which made them suspicious. They found just normal pictures of touristic shit and two fully clothed pictures of the desk clerk at my hotel with her parrot on her shoulder. About an hour and a half of bullshit, interrogation, emptied all my luggage out and searched it thoroughly, and were real assholes. Major, major fucking assholes. Some huge black guy and some 110 pound white guy with a short man's complex. Black guy was like, what are you, a faggot? I hate all cops, all LE of all types. They are just bullies. Never anywhere at any time do they make me feel safer.

[quote=nicfrenchy; 1157896]love to see the prudes get all worked up over some old french bastard allegedly [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] a girl.

people being shocked and amazed.

get fucking real will you please. do you think no [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] happens in thailand? or in many other countries?

i am not saying this guy is not guilty. and if he is, he should be castrated, but let's not make a mountain out of a little mole. worse things happen around us. [/quote]with all due respect, i think you are the one getting worked up over this, nic. you, and a lot of other frenchmen who think americans are picking on a french guy. btw, i agree with the french who thought the "perp walk" showing dsk in handcuffs was deplorable, but that's how all americans are treated too.

the rest of us are neither shocked nor amazed, but looking at the situation objectively. the man is innocent until proven guilty. we're not the one's calling for him to be castrated if guilty. you are. that's what i would call getting worked up.

we're just saying that the charges are serious. your initial post on the subject implied that the case against dsk is trivial. i merely responded, without making any judgment, that allegations of aggravated sexual assault are not trivial imho.

[quote=dickhead;1157910]believe it or don't but it happened to me in lax coming back from thailand in 2008, and was made worse by the fact my battery was dead, which made them suspicious. they found just normal pictures of touristic shit and two fully clothed pictures of the desk clerk at my hotel with her parrot on her shoulder. about an hour and a half of bullshit, interrogation, emptied all my luggage out and searched it thoroughly, and were real assholes. major, major fucking assholes. some huge black guy and some 110 pound white guy with a short man's complex. black guy was like, what are you, a faggot? i hate all cops, all le of all types. they are just bullies. never anywhere at any time do they make me feel safer.[/quote]if i was an american, and given such a treatment, then who had to worry would be them, as i would report the episode to the dept. and make a big deal of it. these are guys with already a lot of negatives in their personal file, why not adding your own complain just to make sure they will be stuck at the same rank forever and possibly have to get a van driving job at some point. they are sent to profile and hassle by their bosses in the hope they can scare some **** or whatever shady type and make a bust every once in a while. in reality nobody gives a fuck about them and they are the first to be dropped in case of problems, as we're not talking hero cops guns in hand chasing robbers here. remember you may have spent two unpleasant hours of your life but they spend eight every day doing the same shit, is not like since they are the ones interrogating that makes much a difference, what a miserable life they live.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1157908]She was 13 years old. And the Europeans still don't care.[/QUOTE]There is more story than just that, especially regarding they way he was trialed.

There is also a lot of not prosecuted crimes in the US, doesn't seem the Americans care much?

It is so stupid to read things like [nationality inserted] always do this or do think like that. When a [some nationality] does something, big or small, just or unjust, it's only because he / she was in a position of doing it and so it happened. Not that a whole nation agrees with the fact whatever it is. Can we drop the stereotypes in the name of a borderless pussy nation please.

[quote=new old guy;1157930]if i was an american, and given such a treatment, then who had to worry would be them, as i would report the episode to the dept. and make a big deal of it. these are guys with already a lot of negatives in their personal file, why not adding your own complain just to make sure they will be stuck at the same rank forever and possibly have to get a van driving job at some point. they are sent to profile and hassle by their bosses in the hope they can scare some **** or whatever shady type and make a bust every once in a while. in reality nobody gives a fuck about them and they are the first to be dropped in case of problems, as we're not talking hero cops guns in hand chasing robbers here. remember you may have spent two unpleasant hours of your life but they spend eight every day doing the same shit, is not like since they are the ones interrogating that makes much a difference, what a miserable life they live.[/quote]and if you were american, you would know that would be a really bad idea, as you would be shit listed forever, and would have problems every time you traveled for the rest of your life. but you do have the right idea, in that at the end of the experience i just wanted to say (but did not) : "it sucks being you, working for shit wages doing a boring job, when i am fucking different pussy all over the world." instead i cooperated completely, with a big smile on my face. partly because i knew i had no photos or anything on my computer, and partly because i had a couple xanax in my watch pocket for which i did not have a prescription. xanax is a "schedule drug" in the us and you don't want to get caught with it. so i was very nice and amiable and concentrated on the idea that i had probably fucked one of their sisters or cousins at some point in time.

also, this was us customs and not those fucking rent a cop tsa people. obviously you're european and used to feeling good about "reporting" people to "departments" which i guarantee you never do shit, not in your country nor in my (former) country.

[QUOTE=New Old Guy; 1157933]There is more story than just that, especially regarding they way he was trialed.

There is also a lot of not prosecuted crimes in the US, doesn't seem the Americans care much?

It is so stupid to read things like [nationality inserted] always do this or do think like that. When a [some nationality] does something, big or small, just or unjust, it's only because he / she was in a position of doing it and so it happened. Not that a whole nation agrees with the fact whatever it is. Can we drop the stereotypes in the name of a borderless pussy nation please. [/QUOTE]It would be great if stereotypes had no validity. My mom used to say "People are the same everywhere." She had been to two or three other countries briefly, and had visited maybe 7 or 8 states in the US. I've been to every continent except Antarctica and the truth is, people are NOT the same everywhere. Americans ARE arrogant (and loud, and imperialistic, and lack fashion sense) , French people DO stink because they don't bathe very frequently or use deodorant, Muslims DO advocate violence, Méxicans DO use a lot of hair grease, Thais WON'T fight one and one and will always gang up on you, and et cetera. So the thing to do, instead of advocating an impossible borderless pussy nation (which I agree would be great in theory) , is to understand your environment and behave accordingly.

DH we can pretty much disagree on anything! From the effectiveness of reporting CBP hassholes, to the validity of stereotypes! To be honest with you I find yours to be particularly trite and false :.)

And I say that after having lived in the US and having traveled all over the world for many years.

But, also because we know each other in person, let's not drag it on, as each one is entitled to his own opinion. Cheers!

Got to admit I have no idea who you might be but for sure no American wants to get on the shit list. Hmmm did we hook up in your native country and you went off on a guy who was overcharging me in a pizza place? And then we also met up in Thailand and had coffee in a train station? Can't see who else it could be. Don't remember your previous screen name but the English doesn't seem as good so maybe I am wrong. So which particular stereotype is incorrect in your opinion?

[quote=daddy07;1157917]we're not the one's calling for him to be castrated if guilty. you are.[/quote]of course i am, i think that if we could castrate every [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url] then the next ones would think twice before trying to spread their love with other unwilling sperm recipients.

we are too soft with these people.

and people who abuse / molest / kill children should be publicly executed.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1157847]I have read about people's computers being search but I honestly don't believe it. As much as I travel nothing like that has ever happened to me. I have been directed to agriculture a few times in which all you do is put your bag through the x-ray machine and I have had to do a secondary inspection once back in March arriving from Colombia into JFK.[/QUOTE]Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border.

By David Kravets.

Wired. Com.

April 4, 2011 | 5:07 pm.

[url]http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/04/border-search/[/url]

The authorities may seize laptops, cameras and other digital devices at

The USA border without a warrant, and scour through them for days

Hundreds of miles away, a federal appeals court ruled.

The 2-1 decision (. Pdf) Wednesday by the 9th USA Circuit Court of

Appeals comes as the government is increasingly invoking its broad,

Warrantless search-and-seizure powers at the USA border to probe the

Digital lives of travelers.

Under the 'border search exception' of United States law, international

Travelers, including USA citizens, can be searched without a warrant as

They enter the country. Under the Obama administration, law enforcement

Agents have aggressively used this power to search travelers' laptops,

Sometimes copying the hard drive before returning the computer to its owner.

Courts have ruled that such laptop searches can take place even in the

Absence of any reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing, and more than 6, 500

Persons have had their electronic devices searched in this manner since

October 2008.

The issue has gained renewed attention in recent months as American

Computer geeks connected to WikiLeaks, or who know people connected with

WikiLeaks, have found themselves repeatedly singled out for the searches.

At issue in the case decided Wednesday was the prosecution of a

California man on child pornography charges. In 2007, ICE agents seized

Three laptops and a camera from convicted child molester Howard

Cotterman, and transported them 170 miles away for a two-day search that

Uncovered hundreds of child porn images.

A lower court judge threw out the evidence, finding that the border

Exception did not apply when the search went beyond the border area.

The government appealed. Cotterman's lawyers argued that law enforcement

Should only be allowed to search digital devices at points of entry

Where they have the necessary equipment and personnel on hand.

'We find this position simply untenable, ' 9th Circuit Judge Richard

Tallman wrote for the majority, reinstating the evidence. Limiting

Searches 'would only reward those individuals who, either because of the

Nature of their contraband or the sophistication of their criminal

Enterprise, hide their contraband more cleverly or would be inclined to

Seek entry at more vulnerable points less equipped to discover them. '

The court also affirmed that 'particularized suspicion' was not required

For a border search.

In dissent, Judge Betty Fletcher wrote that the government should have

Had a better reason to search Cotterman other than him being a convicted

In 1992 of child molestation.

'I add my voice to the chorus lamenting the apparent demise of the

Fourth Amendment, ' Fletcher wrote.

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