Bangkok Reports

Tonights Sukhumvit Report:

After a date with a lovely 20 year old (its going to be a work in progress, she's so cute) I made a stop in Funland. I had been Messaging with a Dancer at Butterflies and decided to sneak over and see her in person. Uggg. The old adage "She looks better than her pictures" does not apply. One drink. Yuck. Cruised over to my usual stop, my fav was getting lady drunk by some farang dudes so pounded down another drink and took off. Walked over to Hooters, had a beer and watched the comings and goings, the pickings were slim in the Nana Parking lot.

My body doesn't handle booze that well anymore, and I had a minor fun itch even though it had recently been scratched. I decided, based on recent intelligence, to go look for gorgeous Rooskies but not really Rooskies over at the Amari Blvd Hotel. I had to take a leak anyway. The doorman paid no attention to me so I didn't need to drop a 20 as I walked in, I just rolled to the can, which as we all know, is past the Registration desk on the left as you are walking in, right before the stairs. After draining the dragon, I decided to look in the Coffee shop for the hot Rooskies. Oops I forgot, there is no Coffee Shop on the right. Or on the left. There is a small bar, and a restaurant waaaay in the back but not a Rooskie real or fake to be seen. There were some babes in the lobby but they were so burkaed up I couldn't tell what colour their hair or eyes were.

O well, I didn't feel like walking to the Royal Garden or the Grace (where there is a Coffee Shop on the right. And left) so I struck out for greener pastures. Wood Bar was celebrating Halloween early, as was Eden, as all the workers looked like the chick with the pointy hat in the Wizard of Oz, sans costumes. I walked into Magic Table; and walked out. The talent on 7/1 gave me the heebee jeebies.

Rolled up to Thermae, it was so absolutely crowded I didn't go in. Almost a line up the stairs. By now its like 11 pm so I bagged it and MRT / BTS it home. Where, I am awaiting a visit from one of my Net girls who lives out here in Thonburi.

Have fun!

I don't know if I did myself or you guys a favour with my last visit to crazy house, and wouldn't mind to read your opinions.

I had visited crazy house a few times over the last two weeks, and had once paid girl number 125 a single lady drink. She was nice, and so next time when she saw me again, I agreed to the usual tequila-cola-combo. The girl immediately downed the tequila, sipped once at the cola and then excused herself to "go toilet but come back". I sensed trouble coming my way.

After half an hour of waiting for the girl, I got up and went searching for her on the upper floor. Surely I found her sitting and having a drink with another customer. Right then when I spotted her, she got up from him again in order to go down dancing because obviously it was her turn again. So I hurried down again myself and watched her climb to the dance stage. She danced lasciviously in front of another customer sitting right at the bar and virtually rubbed her p*ssy to his nose. Then she realised that I was watching jealously, she frowned and moved away to a more distant part of the stage. For all that time, her still full glass of cola had been waiting for her on my table.

Now, the very same "go toilet, come back"-scam had been tried on me a few days earlier by another girl (whose number I can't remember). This first time I had eventually asked the waitress to go looking for "my" girl, and when finally found, the latter then reluctantly sat down again with me and quickly finished her drink within half a minute before asking for another one which, of course, I refused.

Now I told myself I don't need that same bu**sh*t again. It was the last day of my holidays, I wanted to have pure fun, and I knew I won't be back in Bangkok for at least half a year, and by that time my beard will be gone, too. So I decided to not pay for the girl's cola. I put all the money for the rest of the bill in the bill holder, got up and made for the entry. I had almost reached the curtain at the door when two waitresses asked me where I had been sitting and where I was going. I showed them my seat, told them all the money was in the bill holder except for the amount for the cola which I would no pay because girl number 125 (at that moment I also pointed her out on the stage) had not sat for more than two seconds with me. Both waitresses said "wait, wait" and obviously wanted to go and fetch the girl for me. Since I didn't want to have the episode end like it did the first time, I just said "no, I won't wait", and left.

I guess, girl number 125 will have to return her lady drink coupon for the cola, and maybe she will even have to pay the bar's share on that drink. I'm no cheap charly, and I don't begrudge their had earned income to the girls at all. But the thought that I pay a drink for a girl who then strokes sby elses *ock, that thought spoils my evening even though I hardly notice the difference in my wallet. And my mood gets affected for even longer than just the waiting time until she might or might not return from "the toilet". So I felt like it can't do no harm if the girl has to learn a little lesson.

What do you think? Would you have reacted the same way? If not, then how else?

Syzygies: I stay out in THonburi because I get more and pay less than folks who live "downtown", and can get to anywhere I want that matters as or almost as fast. Plus there are fewer annoying Farangs, Indians and Chinese. The air is cleaner and the traffic less. And because I am farang living in a Thai area, single and alone, I get mothered by the old lady vendors and the shop workers. Everyone wants to be my friend at the local markets. I even pitch bottle tops with the MC guys. I have no trouble getting back from Sukh late at night, if I have to I grab or double taxi, but I'm usually home before midnight so as not to turn into a sea slug.

[QUOTE=Biggusdickus;2241348]I don't know if I did myself or you guys a favour with my last visit to crazy house, and wouldn't mind to read your opinions.

I had visited crazy house a few times over the last two weeks, and had once paid girl number 125 a single lady drink. She was nice, and so next time when she saw me again, I agreed to the usual tequila-cola-combo. The girl immediately downed the tequila, sipped once at the cola and then excused herself to "go toilet but come back". I sensed trouble coming my way.

After half an hour of waiting for the girl, I got up and went searching for her on the upper floor. Surely I found her sitting and having a drink with another customer. Right then when I spotted her, she got up from him again in order to go down dancing because obviously it was her turn again. So I hurried down again myself and watched her climb to the dance stage. She danced lasciviously in front of another customer sitting right at the bar and virtually rubbed her p*ssy to his nose. Then she realised that I was watching jealously, she frowned and moved away to a more distant part of the stage. For all that time, her still full glass of cola had been waiting for her on my table.

Now, the very same "go toilet, come back"-scam had been tried on me a few days earlier by another girl (whose number I can't remember). This first time I had eventually asked the waitress to go looking for "my" girl, and when finally found, the latter then reluctantly sat down again with me and quickly finished her drink within half a minute before asking for another one which, of course, I refused.

Now I told myself I don't need that same bu**sh*t again. It was the last day of my holidays, I wanted to have pure fun, and I knew I won't be back in Bangkok for at least half a year, and by that time my beard will be gone, too. So I decided to not pay for the girl's cola. I put all the money for the rest of the bill in the bill holder, got up and made for the entry. I had almost reached the curtain at the door when two waitresses asked me where I had been sitting and where I was going. I showed them my seat, told them all the money was in the bill holder except for the amount for the cola which I would no pay because girl number 125 (at that moment I also pointed her out on the stage) had not sat for more than two seconds with me. Both waitresses said "wait, wait" and obviously wanted to go and fetch the girl for me. Since I didn't want to have the episode end like it did the first tim6e, I just said "no, I won't wait", and left.

I guess, girl number 125 will have to return her lady drink coupon for the cola, and maybe she will even have to pay the bar's share on that drink. I'm no cheap charly, and I don't begrudge their had earned income to the girls at all. But the thought that I pay a drink for a girl who then strokes sby elses *ock, that thought spoils my evening even though I hardly notice the difference in my wallet. And my mood gets affected for even longer than just the waiting time until she might or might not return from "the toilet". So I felt like it can't do no harm if the girl has to learn a little lesson.

What do you think? Would you have reacted the same way? If not, then how else?[/QUOTE]If you already knew the tequila and cola bit was a two Lady Drink scam, why did you agree to it? Even if you were trying to be generous and kind to a girl you liked by buying her two Lady Drinks at a time, she would probably never recognize that as generosity and kindness but only as a sure sign you were ripe to be scammed further. Unfortunately.

Yes, generally speaking, you (we) do yourself, the rest of us, the more "honorable" girls trying to make a living and even the venue a favor, if even in some small way better than being part of the problem, by refusing to just go along and not protest when a scam is happening. However, I would not have just walked out without paying the full bill including the LD. The girl can and now will make up any story she wants about how dastardly you were to her and your just walking out will simply support and enable whatever tall tale she tells.

I would have called a server or mamasan over after an acceptable amount of time for her to go to the toilet or whatever, pointed to the full cocktail glass and said I'm not paying for that, take it off the bill and, no, I don't want you to go find the girl and bring her back.

I have done that and in Crazy House. You don't even need to explain why to the staff there since that scam is so pervasive and routinely done or tried in Crazy House, an explanation is not necessary. In fact, I would regard their demanding an explanation at Crazy House for you not just going along with that scam as another scam attempt.

On the issue if you feeling some level of jealousy and hurt feelings, take solace in the very high likelihood that all that girl does night after night, same as many girls in CH, is scam one guy after another on that two LD and disappear trick with no intention of ever giving any of them 100 bahts' worth if sexual pleasure. And that includes the gullible rubes who go so far as to pay the barfine and her fee to be alone with her in a room.

[QUOTE=Biggusdickus;2241348]
I guess, girl number 125 will have to return her lady drink coupon for the cola, and maybe she will even have to pay the bar's share on that drink. I'm no cheap charly, and I don't begrudge their had earned income to the girls at all. But the thought that I pay a drink for a girl who then strokes sby elses *ock, that thought spoils my evening even though I hardly notice the difference in my wallet. And my mood gets affected for even longer than just the waiting time until she might or might not return from "the toilet". So I felt like it can't do no harm if the girl has to learn a little lesson.

What do you think? Would you have reacted the same way? If not, then how else?[/QUOTE]I would not be too concerned. There are girls like this, quite a few possibly. Obviously you need to boycott the girl. Would help to publish her name as well if you should know it.

There are scam girls who flit from one customer to another, as soon as get drinks, disappear. Less likely to happen to regular customers because girl knows will lose them as a possible customer, and we tend to know some of the rip off girls. Chocolate a mother with big sillies, is one such shit girl. A couple of years back, I called over Kratae with very hot tight body and Rihanna look, and bought a drink or drinks given can't recall exactly now. I was thinking about BF, but she said she prefers disco (possibly dick scared I don't know). Anyway, having just got a drink or drinks she very quickly flitted to another customer (could be a regular customer. One doesn't know). Still bad behaviour. She immediately gets black balled, by me. Maybe a year later she has not been working but returns over weight. She is struggling to get any customers, no one wants her. My girl Oom is a close friend of hers (they stayed close together maybe even shared rooms). Oom asks if I can buy some drinks for Kratae. Sorry no way, Jose! Past deeds come back to haunt girls. She probably would not even remember how she treated me a year or so earlier. Now she is destitute, she is sorry. LOL.

Better girls will ask permission to go visit their regular customer briefly, and perhaps come back, or ask if we intend to BF as perhaps another customer will.

Buying a girl drinks does not mean ownership, you have to BF a girl to stop her running away to other customers really. However girls will understand the effect on their reputation. One day I was taking time to BF the Cambodian girl Jan (looks Thai), a girl who likes Farangs and preferrably big ones, but decided to do so while she was dancing. She did not return to me despite drinks bought, because she went to her young other regular customer. I was pissed off and never BFed her again. She reaped the rewards of her behaviour.

These things happen. Not every girl makes the best decisions for her long term business. Some are greedy and have no qualms about unfair behaviour. Smart girls will know not lose their regular customers if at all possible. This means stress for them when several regulars arrive at the same time and expect ownership. The guy with best character may lose out quite easily. The only remedy is to BF quickly once you have made up your mind. I don't really have any bargirls to compete for any more, but if some old favourite appeared, I know to BF immediately before shit happens.

The lesson I think, is experienced bar goers are aware of all the scams and shit that can happen, we get a lot more relaxed about it. One girl fucks it, we can find another girl. Cost of the split milk is not so bad unless we bought her numerous drinks. Would be silly to do that and not BF the girl in order to hang on to her, unless we know she is very reliable, or sometimes we are happy enough for her to move on. No point to have any feelings of jealousy in a bar, right? I never feel jealousy, with lots of experience am well beyond that. We accept that sometimes we don't get the most preferred girl. Too slow, or she just prefers someone else.

These types of bargirl scams or unreliability could happen in any gogo bar. Management is interested in selling the most drinks, they are not going to stop the scamming girls from getting a lot of drinks sold. That would not be very Thai to interfere so much. If the bar was willing to refund a girls drink, that is a pretty good sign they are trying to be fair and retain customers. They had so much trouble with customers denying they bought drinks (just not realising most likely what the girls ordeed), that customers now have to sign every drink sheet to avoid disputes. I still add up my bill and know very closely how much it will be as staff using calculators can get it wrong (occasionally). It is easier to make mistakes using calculator than adding by brain only. Still they usually do it twice to double check. So I found wrong bill was fairly rare but does happen.

If you don't BF a girl, someone else may at any moment. Even if that does not happen, girl may supposedly need to go to toilet, but not come back. My best regular girls would not do that to me. Otherwise no guarantees. Some of my girls would know I am OK for them to go visit another guy briefly if they then come back soon. They need to try to be on good terms with all of their regulars.

ET's comment is slightly incorrect I think. Girls do not see asking for two drinks as a scam necessarily. Its a scam in the mind of some customers. If girl tries to do it without the customer agreement, then is a scam. Girl might request "Tequilla coke, Na" knowing that I know that is two drinks. Some guys unfortunately did not know. It is quite common place these days. Bars are getting too expensive LOL. Bars are not Japanese dominated in so many places. Farangs got sick of it all. Customer can agree to it or not. I always hold up 1 finger and state 1 drink to waitress, if I am wary of the girl not knowing her too well. My favourite girl might get two drinks no big problem, especially if I am going to BF her as well.

I visited gogo bars in Jakarta recently. The staff pressure in Malio to buy drinks was vastly heavier. Would have to say No so many times. In CH once usually works O.K. (being a known regular probably helps) Once was not enough, customer was expected to cave in. Dancing girls might ask for 5 shots at a time, and drinks for friends etc., and each one was a very small drink. Was sweet and fruity and possibly had no alcohol at all. Shot was so unfull that the girl could pour multiple drinks into the same glass, and down them all at once. LOL I tasted one and did not notice any significant alcohol.

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2241373]Syzygies: I stay out in THonburi because I get more and pay less than folks who live "downtown", and can get to anywhere I want that matters as or almost as fast. Plus there are fewer annoying Farangs, Indians and Chinese. The air is cleaner and the traffic less. And because I am farang living in a Thai area, single and alone, I get mothered by the old lady vendors and the shop workers. Everyone wants to be my friend at the local markets. I even pitch bottle tops with the MC guys. I have no trouble getting back from Sukh late at night, if I have to I grab or double taxi, but I'm usually home before midnight so as not to turn into a sea slug.[/QUOTE]I recently stay in Sathorn cheaply, as at least can avoid crossing the river. Late at night is only 15 minutes taxi from Cowboy. Good apartments avail for very good price (I paid 1500 for one worth 3 k to 4 k) or even have Hotels with prices less than 1 K when not full. I can imagine prices at Wong Wian Yai would be much lower still.

Traffic on Sathon road bridge (Saphaan Taksin) can be appalling (am I wrong?) so that means little choice but to use BTS, which can be very packed and uncomfortable in daytime. However if you don't need to go anywhere much, would be acceptable. I thought about staying there once, but changed my mind. GF did not want me seen in her neighbourhood fearing local gossipers. I would be curious if the Rama 3 bridge is a better alternative or is BTS the only option when traffic bad? So yes, my GF once lived in Thonburi not that far from Wong Wian Yai, as well as your girl mentioned.

So any tips about daytime movement between Sukhumvit and Thonburi? In the old days, longtail boats travelling on canals was a good alternative to beat traffic jams. I wonder if it still is, and does anyone use this approach at all? Certainly crossing Chao Praya river by boat can be an option I have used in the past to go from Tewet to other side or back.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2241407]
I visited gogo bars in Jakarta recently. The staff pressure in Malio to buy drinks was vastly heavier. Would have to say No so many times.[/QUOTE]There are few places in this world where they pressure you more to buy drinks than at Malio in Jakarta. Since they show up with a tray of "tequilas" (sprite) already there ready to drink, you have to really watch them. I normally buy drinks for one girl, then her friend joins in and tries to get drinks as well and I refuse. However, sometimes they still drink those things even though you refuse multiple times. They will then ask you to pay and you have to argue with the staff there that you never told the girls they could have those drinks. The staff will eventually relent, but it's a pain.

Maybe this is why I never think there is any pressure in Bangkok to buy the girls drinks. The pressure in Jakarta is far worse so I don't even notice it in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2241430]Maybe this is why I never think there is any pressure in Bangkok to buy the girls drinks. The pressure in Jakarta is far worse so I don't even notice it in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Yup! Absolutely true. Glad to here the immense Jakarta pressure is not for newbie me only. LOL

In Crazy House I hardly notice it. Most girls are fairly polite about drinks in Bangkok, to my way of thinking, excepting really scam type of girls. Occasionally something went wrong, no big deal, where waitress claims girl ordered something that I was unaware of. Being firm works okay Not allowing the girl to order direct to the waitress helps, I always speak to the waitress re what is ordered and show 1 finger for 1 drink for the girl. This avoids assumptions. Helps speaking Thai I guess, since girl tells me what she wants and I tell the waitress. Guys not vigilent can be caught with the unexpected.

Most recent time something went wrong was when I agreed to a drink for a mamasan, and somehow two drinks arrived for the mamasan, and I had never seen that happen before. One drink was then retuned by the mamasan, and she acted surprised as well. I think mamasans are not allowed to drink Tequilas in CH, as would not do to have them drunk. Suzie has a very drunk mamas an and is not good, because can start to get too raunchy.

In Jakarta I don't speak the lingo, but shaking the head and saying NO is understandable, even if has to be done 3 to 5 times. Waiter still tries to put drinks on the table from tray of sticky shots but I just say nope, he is not allowed to unload drinks that I don't agree to.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2241436]Waiter still tries to put drinks on the table from tray of sticky shots but I just say nope, he is not allowed to unload drinks that I don't agree to.[/QUOTE]I think that's true in the Malioboro side, but in the Malio side of the building, the girls will take the drinks directly out of the tray and drink them. I've had a girl giving me a lap dance while her friend grabs drinks out of the tray herself and drinks them without even asking me. Then my girl gets off my lap and I see the 5 drinks I bought for my girl as well as another 5 empty glasses sitting there on the table that her friend drank. As long as you just keep refusing to pay in that case, they won't charge for it. But they will push it for a good 20 minutes before relenting. You can avoid the attempted scam by never buying any drinks for any girls, but I like to get lap dances from those girls. They are hot!

Of course, the Tequila and Coke 2 Lady Drink at once bit is a scam and every girl in every bar who tries to pull it knows it's a scam.

Up until 4-5 years ago no bar girl I met ever ordered something called "tequila and coke" and no fellow punter ever told me he wound up buying twice as many LDs as he thought he was buying because a bar girl pulled this particular scam. To be sure, bills got padded and/or girls ordered two drinks instead of one here and there. And those were scams, too, just not nearly as refined as the Tequila and Coke scam because with that one the girl tricks you into being complicit in scamming yourself; "Tequila and coke, ok? Knowing full well most customers would think that is some weird popular Thai girl cocktail. "Sure," he says, thinking he is only buying her A Lady Drink instead of TWO Lady Drinks. LOL.

The only time it might not technically be a scam is if the girl says something like, "Buy me SOME drinks?" (plural) rather than "Buy me drink?" or the customer says something like, "You want SOME drinks?" instead of "You want a drink?"

But nobody that I know of, neither the girl nor the customer, talks that way. The uninitiated customer ALWAYS thinks he is only offering to buy her ONE drink right now and the girl ALWAYS knows that is what the uninitiated customer thinks she just asked him. She is fully aware she is pulling a scam designed to double her LD commissions all night and every time if possible.

Btw, the last 2-3 times I was in Crazy House in the past few months I did not have to sign for each drink order and I don't recall seeing others doing it either. Maybe just off or exceptional nights for them or something.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2241463]Of course, the Tequila and Coke 2 Lady Drink at once bit is a scam and every girl in every bar who tries to pull it knows it's a scam.

Up until 4-5 years ago no bar girl I met ever ordered something called "tequila and coke" and no fellow punter ever told me he wound up buying twice as many LDs as he thought he was buying because a bar girl pulled this particular scam. To be sure, bills got padded and/or girls ordered two drinks instead of one here and there. And those were scams, too, just not nearly as refined as the Tequila and Coke scam because with that one the girl tricks you into being complicit in scamming yourself; "Tequila and coke, ok? Knowing full well most customers would think that is some weird popular Thai girl cocktail. "Sure," he says, thinking he is only buying her A Lady Drink instead of TWO Lady Drinks. LOL.

The only time it might not technically be a scam is if the girl says something like, "Buy me SOME drinks?" (plural) rather than "Buy me drink?" or the customer says something like, "You want SOME drinks?" instead of "You want a drink?"

But nobody that I know of, neither the girl nor the customer, talks that way. The uninitiated customer ALWAYS thinks he is only offering to buy her ONE drink right now and the girl ALWAYS knows that is what the uninitiated customer thinks she just asked him. She is fully aware she is pulling a scam designed to double her LD commissions all night and every time if possible.

Btw, the last 2-3 times I was in Crazy House in the past few months I did not have to sign for each drink order and I don't recall seeing others doing it either. Maybe just off or exceptional nights for them or something.[/QUOTE]Kings Castle 1 & 2 in Patpong both have you sign for each drink order. I don't recall any other gogo bar pulling that 2 drink shit. I never liked Crazy House and Soi Cowboy in general has been atrocious the last few years, which is why I stopped going there.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2241414]I recently stay in Sathorn cheaply, as at least can avoid crossing the river. Late at night is only 15 minutes taxi from Cowboy. Good apartments avail for very good price (I paid 1500 for one worth 3 k to 4 k) or even have Hotels with prices less than 1 K when not full. I can imagine prices at Wong Wian Yai would be much lower still.

Traffic on Sathon road bridge (Saphaan Taksin) can be appalling (am I wrong?) so that means little choice but to use BTS, which can be very packed and uncomfortable in daytime. However if you don't need to go anywhere much, would be acceptable. I thought about staying there once, but changed my mind. GF did not want me seen in her neighbourhood fearing local gossipers. I would be curious if the Rama 3 bridge is a better alternative or is BTS the only option when traffic bad? So yes, my GF once lived in Thonburi not that far from Wong Wian Yai, as well as your girl mentioned.

So any tips about daytime movement between Sukhumvit and Thonburi? In the old days, longtail boats travelling on canals was a good alternative to beat traffic jams. I wonder if it still is, and does anyone use this approach at all? Certainly crossing Chao Praya river by boat can be an option I have used in the past to go from Tewet to other side or back.[/QUOTE]Tips depends on where you want to go. I rarely venture out till after rush hour so until I hit Saphan Taksin, its pretty light on the Silom line trains. I have very little reason to go to Nana or Asoke or indeed anywhere on the Suk line during the day, unless its a weekend and I want to roll to say Chatuchak or Emquartier. Then I suck it up and just switch at Siam, the train is usually dead until you hit there.

If I want to go to Chinatown or anywhere in the old city, I just use the boats. There are times I will roll to Saphan Taksin, boat up to say Phra Artit then MC taxi to Pfanfa Bridge and take the San Saeb to Sukh Soi 3. It just depends where I am or what I am doing and what time of day. But find the trains to be fast and convenient, even during rush hour. The sucky junction is Siam, where I have to switch. If coming out of the Suk line, I get off at Siam, and walk to National stadium which is like 200 meters? Then I just que up and always get a seat from there to Bang Wa. If its really gnarly (like last night) I take the MRT at Asoke and switch at Sala Daeng, or vice versa, ride to Sala Daeng and then use the MRT.

The bottom line is that living on this side of the river doesn't cramp my style at all. I'm looking at places right now on the river itself (but they are spendy). But I'm 500 meters from the train, or a 1 minute 10 baht ride. I guarantee you that I can be at Nana within 20 minutes of someone living in On Nut or Ari at rush hour and probably more comfortably But I really don't care, becasue other than Cowboy or Nana or BJ bars, what's the reason to go there. I can grab something out of Thonburi Plaza if I want.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2241463] "Buy me SOME drinks?" (plural) rather than "Buy me drink?" [/QUOTE]Thai language does not have plurals so most bargirls don't do plurals two well at all.

The only option is for the girl to ask for "two drink (s), one tequila and one coke". Everyone know knows "tequila coke", is not a mixed drink, right? LOL.

Yes its a scam if anything is unexpected by the customer, and trickery. If I got what to expect when I order, and know the price, I can hardly be scammed. If girl asked for two drinks, and I agreed, its okay If girl was my favourite I might be happy with it. I might say two tequilas, but no coke. LOL because she needs to loosen up more, lose shyness and inhibitions. If girl asks for two drinks, it is not a scam, as such. Merely a polite request which can be declined. Certainly common place in the modern year.

There is a difference on the bed with some girls depending if they had enough leg openers or not. May-Lee (No. 49 2+ years ago) at CH with good tits and very pretty was like that. 1st session quite dull (maybe she did not feel at ease). 2nd session with a few tequilas gone, kissing and a hell of a lot of fun. Still miss her. She was a 9 points for looks to my spec. Probably my 3rd fav girl ever there for looks. The top 3 all performed really well in terms of being horny and fun (only May-Lee needed the leg openers to get her going though). Nut and Donut were my top two, both long gone. Now CH bores me because the stunners are not there.

Now SaengSom-Coke is another request. This one does sound like a mixed drink and usually is, but it maybe a much more expensive lady drink or may not depending on the bar. Those in doubt unfortunately need to ask what the price is. If you did not ask the price of a lady drink in Hong Kong, you get an really awful shock. Later they point to sign on the wall far away that you did not notice. LOL.

In many bars a lady tequila is a short one, but costs more than man big tequila. LOL You call that a scam too. Some bars like Billboard have "rose milky tequila" that is clearly not at all related to a tequila.

Girls have no big trouble to tell me what they want in Thai Language.

Many years ago at Long Gun, Ning would get tequilas one at a time, yet that pretty and skinny little thing could go through several of them very quick like water. She was the top show dancer at the time along with her dance partner girl. She made her money by drinks and entertaining customers, hardly ever going for a fuck. Not much difference from girls ordering drinks two at a time, but taking a bit longer to finish them.

Does not mean I like the trend of girls always asking for two drinks. If I don't know them well, I decline, since I may decide quickly I am not that keen on them. If I am keen and will BF, not great harm.

Thank you, EihTooms and Syzygies, for your comments!

Usually the waitress asks twice if tequila and cola are OK, and I've learned long ago that this means two drinks. Alas, nobody has ever heard of a tequila-cola-cocktail, right? So I don't see it as a serious scam as long as it is not tried on unsuspecting newbie customers or those drunk enough that they would agree to anything. However, when I accept to offer two drinks instead of just one then I expect the lady to spend twice as much time with me then when I just offer a single drink. That would be a fair deal in my understanding; with the small added advantage for the girl that she knows right away that the customer will give her two drinks instead of just one.

As far as the suggestion to openly declare my refusal to pay for the cola to the waitress, I like it, and I will try this approach should the same thing happen again. I don't think the girl did have much of a choice to talk her way out of the situation because I had explained the situation to two waitresses, and both seemed to know what was going on. It chose to just leave because I expected the waitresses to bring back the girl, and I didn't want to spend more time with her after she had ruined my mood already. But of course, I could have just rejected to have her brought back to my seat, and maybe I should have done it that way instead of leaving. Thanks again for the suggestion.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2241463]Of course, the Tequila and Coke 2 Lady Drink at once bit is a scam and every girl in every bar who tries to pull it knows it's a scam.

Up until 4-5 years ago no bar girl I met ever ordered something called "tequila and coke" and no fellow punter ever told me he wound up buying twice as many LDs as he thought he was buying because a bar girl pulled this particular scam. To be sure, bills got padded and/or girls ordered two drinks instead of one here and there. And those were scams, too, just not nearly as refined as the Tequila and Coke scam because with that one the girl tricks you into being complicit in scamming yourself; "Tequila and coke, ok? Knowing full well most customers would think that is some weird popular Thai girl cocktail. "Sure," he says, thinking he is only buying her A Lady Drink instead of TWO Lady Drinks. LOL.

The only time it might not technically be a scam is if the girl says something like, "Buy me SOME drinks?" (plural) rather than "Buy me drink?" or the customer says something like, "You want SOME drinks?" instead of "You want a drink?"

But nobody that I know of, neither the girl nor the customer, talks that way. The uninitiated customer ALWAYS thinks he is only offering to buy her ONE drink right now and the girl ALWAYS knows that is what the uninitiated customer thinks she just asked him. She is fully aware she is pulling a scam designed to double her LD commissions all night and every time if possible.[/QUOTE]Yet the only way to eliminate that scam (for a bar that wants to protect their customer from this behaviour) is to have the waitress asking confirmation to the costumer as they do in Twisters at Nana. It happened to me lately, girl asked me a ladydrink (overpriced at 215 b), I accepted but actually she asked for two drinks at the waitress, who then asked me if I was really willing to pay her two drinks. I then told her only one drink and everything went fine except that she sipped her tequila in less than 5 seconds and went away from me very quickly, but at least their waitress are having the good attitude.