Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2248821]Have been to go-gos in Phuket and Cowboy, but admittedly, never Nana Plaza. I remember a few years back it felt like the whole area was LBs so I avoided.

Recently saw some positive reports about Billboard so I decided to make it a priority to check out Nana.

Didn't really step into any other go-gos, but there were a good number of hotties milling about outside the doors of each club and on the terraces (and also a fair number of LBs).

Stepped into Billboard on a weeknight and it was busy-- a rotating stage on the left with about 1-2 dozen girls depending on the time (when I first arrived there were girls two rows deep in a circle), clothed in bikinis, and on the right in a bathtub topless girls. Nice looking tits, and all appeared to have nice bodies, but maybe a slight step down in face. On the rotating stage you had for the most part very slender, taller girls, and a variety of styles from very East Asian look to very Thai look, light skin to dark skin, sweet look to sultry and tattooed look. There were probably a good half dozen I would have barfined.

Getting a good seat is hard-- I think the best are either the high top tables in the middle or along the stadium seating on the far wall. The side seating has a ceiling that blocks the view, and the seats at the stage are too too close..[/QUOTE]500 baht for a mamasan. And I thought saphan kwai was bad. It's shit like this and all the additional costs for mediocre service that I stopped going to gogos.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2248959]3300 to the girl and 500 baht to the mamasan. Yeah they took advantage of you although you could have just said no. Try Twister and RB4 in Nana, Baccara on Cowboy. I can't recommend Crazy House anymore although it is still a hands on, nude girly bar and still fun occasionally. I highly recommend Kings Castle 1 & 2 on Patpong 1 (not Kings Corner 1 & 2 LOL).

You should not pay more than 3000 for ST in any GO GO in BKK or Pattaya. Barfines vary. Kings Castle 1 and Mandarin have high barfines to pay off their agency girls (1400 & 1500 respectively). I only buy drinks for my girl unless one of her girlfriends is really nice and I think I might want to do her or them together at a later date. There is no need to tip a mamasan. If pressured I say, "later" and they quit asking. I tip certain waitresses at my favorite Go Go's because I know them long time & they know me and give me preferential service. I do tip mamasan Tang at Crazy House because I have known her a long time and she gives me special attention and vip treatment. I give my CH mamasan 100 baht and buy her a drink, but only when I am in the process of barfining a CH girl, otherwise, when I am just looking, she gets nada. She understands my M.O. and is very cool with it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2249025]Said it before and will say it again there is absolutely ZERO need to tip any gogo mamasan. What is she going to do? Bring a girl for you next time? I'm more than capable of getting my own girl and what are the odds the next girl mamasan brings me is someone I actually like. Listen to what Natty posted there is some very good info in his post. I was going to barfine a gogo girl one night but her insistence that I had to tip the mamasan made me change my mind. Keep in mind girls and mamasans see a tourist a mile away.



I prefer Thermae over any gogo bar. Wish we had a place like Thermae in Pattaya. Odd we don't given the number of Japanese and Korean tourists. No ladydrinks and lots of good laughs watching guys and girls interact. I've always had sufficient service at Thermae. Never expect PSE or you will be disappointed at Thermae.[/QUOTE]I have been around long enough to know better, but still got had. Thanks for confirming what I suspected, I guess I wasn't thinking with the right head at the time, LOL. I guess I'm more used to the Indo scene now where everything is pretty standard in the bigger venues and can pay with credit card.

Given 2000 ST is possible near closing time, as Jakebrown6661 below indicates, what's a reasonable ST? 2500? Then do folks still tip? I generally tip 100-200 to Thermae girls if the experience was good, they have been appreciative and did not seem to expect. No tip to mama, got it. And I got to stay disciplined on the lady drinks. That still adds up to maybe 3000ST for Go-go, maybe quality isn't that much better than Thermae, other than the chance to preview the goods up close (and even then, can't always tell what the body is like under real lighting and everything off.

I'll also admit I didn't RTFF enough before setting out, and my last time in a go-go was years ago, having just done Thermae or focused on civvies. Lesson learned.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2248815]One from wechat did a video chat with me, voice was a little deep, but appears to match her photos. The other two from TanTan claim they don't have LINE, WeChat or anything that can do videochat. One sent me a 5's video, but without sound, so impossible to tell if the photos even match the person.

So possibilities are:

1) Real and possible stunner.

2) Bait & Switch.

3) Ladyboy (post-op / pre-op who knows).

And of course who knows about performance. Could run the gamut.[/QUOTE]Wechat has many ladyboys, but also some good girls that are available for reasonable prices or for free. When I first start chatting, I simply ask if they are a ladyboy. Often they are LB. I've never met one that claimed to be female but was actually ladyboy.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2249410]I have been around long enough to know better, but still got had. Thanks for confirming what I suspected, I guess I wasn't thinking with the right head at the time, LOL. I guess I'm more used to the Indo scene now where everything is pretty standard in the bigger venues and can pay with credit card.

Given 2000 ST is possible near closing time, as Jakebrown6661 below indicates, what's a reasonable ST? 2500? Then do folks still tip? I generally tip 100-200 to Thermae girls if the experience was good, they have been appreciative and did not seem to expect. No tip to mama, got it. And I got to stay disciplined on the lady drinks. That still adds up to maybe 3000ST for Go-go, maybe quality isn't that much better than Thermae, other than the chance to preview the goods up close (and even then, can't always tell what the body is like under real lighting and everything off.

I'll also admit I didn't RTFF enough before setting out, and my last time in a go-go was years ago, having just done Thermae or focused on civvies. Lesson learned.[/QUOTE]No need to tip on top of the ST fee for either gogo girls or thermae freelancers.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2249410]Given 2000 ST is possible near closing time, as Jakebrown6661 below indicates, what's a reasonable ST? 2500? Then do folks still tip? I generally tip 100-200 to Thermae girls if the experience was good, they have been appreciative and did not seem to expect. No tip to mama, got it. And I got to stay disciplined on the lady drinks. That still adds up to maybe 3000ST for Go-go, maybe quality isn't that much better than Thermae, other than the chance to preview the goods up close (and even then, can't always tell what the body is like under real lighting and everything off.[/QUOTE]2500-3000 is common for ST. Those asking 3000 can sometimes be negotiated down to 2500. The opportunity to preview is an advantage, I've more often been disappointed by Thermae girls than bar girls.

So I've been hitting the massage parlors regularly over the last couple months. You know, get my brains fucked out for two hours, end the fantasy and head home. I have noticed something interesting and want to see if others have had the same experience or if it's all in my head. So, after leaving the girl, utterly drained but feeling great, I get on the BTS or MRT to head home. Three times consecutively now, I have attracted the attention of women on the train. Full on interest; eye contact, body language, smiles, checking their hair or make up when they think I'm not looking. If I had Superman's eyes, I'm sure that I would see the dampness growing between their legs. Basically, these women were just dying for me to talk to them. So what's going on? Can they sense / smell the sex of the massage lady on me? Am I giving off certain signals that they are hyper-aware of? Or am I full of shit and I see opportunities everywhere because I just left from a sexual marathon? Anyone else have these experiences after leaving from a massage parlor?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2248252]Som's new location is around the bend from her original Sukhumvit Soi 14 location as you turn right from Sukhumvit onto Ratchadaphisek. Ratchadaphisek is what Asok becomes when it crosses Sukhumvit. So Som's new bar/shop would be essentally across the street from the Exchange Tower in that intersection, just past Sukhumvit, down a small driveway next to the little Asok Bar on Ratchadaphisek.

The new name of her bar/shop is Duangporn Massage or something like that. You will see some ladies sitting outside her shop on that small driveway. BTW, as you round the bend from Sukhumvit onto Ratchadaphisek, you will first encounter another massage shop with uniformed girls sitting outside. That is not Som's new place. Keep going around that bend until you get to the little Asok Bar. Turn right there.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that info. I have been past there three times since seeing your post and have not found any of my previous favorites. Som's had some diamonds in the rough. There was one that wore glasses and was super petite who could swallow all of the way down. She was really pretty as well. There was another who was sort of college looking who drooled gobs which was quite sexy. She got off watching herself in the mirror which turned me on. I will try some of the new talent today and get back to all of you.

[QUOTE=Amnesia;2249089]I will never understand these prices. Guys already overpay in the GoGos with ST of 3 k plus ridiculous barfines on top. Now people start to pay the same ridiculous amounts (and actually more) on dating sites?

I pay 1.5-2 k max. For girls from thaifriendly, or nothing at all. I am talking 18-24 yo here and BBFS. The most they ask for is 3 k which I refuse. The last I had was a dancer from Crazy House. 1. 7 k ST BBFS, but a bad performance. Don't want to think about had I paid the ridiculous gogo rate for such a low-performer.[/QUOTE]My experience is similar to yours in terms of normal rates I pay for girls met on dating sites like ThaiFriendly and ThaiCupid. And 2,000-2,500 baht for Long Time, not just for Short Time, is very doable.

However, bear in mind the online scene has no observable reference standards whatsoever. Girls can either be totally inexperienced at How Much and For What in the P4P scene or they can be hardened pros who know the score at every venue level. I just had a short, chubby, BARELY passable 40 year old who clicked interested in me on ThaiFriendly ask for 4000 ST. Just out of curiosity, I countered by telling her I regularly get sweet, young, cute girls to go bareback for boom boom or finish a blowjob with full cum inside mouth, my choice and up to me, and stay with me all night afterwards until late morning for 2000+200 or so for taxi, which is the truth. She countered with "I want 5000". LOL. No, I didn't bite. But there very well might be many men on those dating sites who will bite and have no idea there is such a place online as ISG.

It is always possible the guy clicking interested in a FL online is more monstrous than any man you have ever seen in a bar (not saying that was the case here by any means) while the girl is more beautiful than any girl you've seen in Thermae or the most high end discos. Hence, a 4000 baht ST kind of makes sense for both sides in that situation. Or more.

There is no "wingman" support. There is no "audience" to rally around your hilarious use of plastic bugs and whoopee cushions with the girls. There is no way to know how many other potential customers are at this very moment hitting on your target girl and making offers. And so much more. There is only your and her looks (via a Line video chat), your personal connection with her and her with you, your real, solitary, one-on-one charm "game" in that regard to win a girl for yourself at an acceptable rate over the next guy. If money is at issue at all, that is.

It isn't the place for big, boisterous personalities. Being fun is still helpful. But you must be able to simplify, economize and focus your "fun" personality to only that which works with a lone female, not an eager audience of drinking buddies and servers, and dump whatever doesn't work.

And when it boils down to that, there will be a lot of guys having to overpay to the tune of 4,000-5,000+ baht to finally find themselves naked and alone with a particular girl in a room for ST.

[QUOTE=AmPervert;2249678]Thanks for that info. I have been past there three times since seeing your post and have not found any of my previous favorites. Som's had some diamonds in the rough. There was one that wore glasses and was super petite who could swallow all of the way down. She was really pretty as well. There was another who was sort of college looking who drooled gobs which was quite sexy. She got off watching herself in the mirror which turned me on. I will try some of the new talent today and get back to all of you.[/QUOTE]I have only walked directly past the Som's girls at the new location a couple of times now and have not seen anyone I would choose, either. Same with Kasalong Bar and L0litas Bar, day shift or night shift, over the past 2-3 months. None of the four or five better than average lookers have been seen outside those bars in at least that amount of time. Maybe those who are left are fantastic providers. But I can't get past the below average looks to be inspired to find out.

[QUOTE=YetAnotherGuy;2249609]2500-3000 is common for ST. Those asking 3000 can sometimes be negotiated down to 2500. The opportunity to preview is an advantage, I've more often been disappointed by Thermae girls than bar girls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jim200;2249587]No need to tip on top of the ST fee for either gogo girls or thermae freelancers.[/QUOTE]I guess I've had the opposite experience-- thus far, my Thermae experiences have been far better, with better bodies and faces in the light, and more GFE than go-go girls (save one go-go girl, my most recent was 100% GFE). Plus less expensive (2500 vs 2500/3000 + barfine).

[QUOTE=Amnesia;2249089]I will never understand these prices. Guys already overpay in the GoGos with ST of 3 k plus ridiculous barfines on top. Now people start to pay the same ridiculous amounts (and actually more) on dating sites?

I pay 1.5-2 k max. For girls from thaifriendly, or nothing at all. I am talking 18-24 yo here and BBFS. The most they ask for is 3 k which I refuse. The last I had was a dancer from Crazy House. 1. 7 k ST BBFS, but a bad performance. Don't want to think about had I paid the ridiculous gogo rate for such a low-performer.[/QUOTE]I agree the barfines are ridiculous. I remember a few years ago barfines were in the 500-600 range (if memory serves). Now I'm being told 1000 (Twisters). At Billboard I was charged 700. Don't know if barfines are standard or it depends on time / person / guest. I was at the go-gos at roughly the same times though, only difference was venue.

And looks like I've really been overpaying. While I don't do BBFS, I have not been able to get to 1. 5-2 K at all, Thermae girls have all standardized, and I think unless it's nearing closing time or maybe very early, 2 K is not possible. Nobody would budge from it. I suggested 1. 5 K to a previous girl I met as a sideline girl who is now at Thermae every night, after she pestered me to take her (messages, calls). She stopped messaging me. Then again, she is a pro, not part-timer or civ.

I have had a few civs in BKK as well as some other places, but it always ends up costing the same or more if you count the dating aspect.

On the other hand, perhaps being a little more generous (2500 vs 2000) is what leads to a better experience if the girl doesn't feel like she is being taken advantage of. For example, your Crazy Horse dancer for 1. 7 K. You said it was a terrible performance. I wonder if it would have been totally different for 800 more? For the time invested in even having that experience, maybe a marginal 800 baht is worth it.

Decided to check out Shock 39 to satisfy my CIS (no idea what this stands for, but I assume something to do with central asia) curiosity. Arrived just before 11 pm, and the only thing in that little alley is Shock. It's down the alley from a 7-11 on the main road.

Entry fee was 400. A bit pricey. Comes with one beer, only Budweiser. Music is LOUD. Kind of empty, very dark, but the dance floor is full. Of. Indians. Mostly a sausage fest but about 20% women (with the groups of Indians). In fact, 95% of the club clientele was Indian. A little later, I spotted one much older looking Asian lady, but she was also quite large. Not sure if she was working. Then I also saw a blonde, somewhat tall, dancing by herself, but from my vantage point, she was older and also a little thick. Stayed for 30-45 minutes and called it quits, maybe it was the wrong day or too early (weekday).

Headed to Nana. After a lackluster experience and having overpaid last time, I was determined to at least not get fleeced at Nana this time. My backup plan was to go to Thermae if Nana was a bust. Upon Natty be's advice I tried Twister ground level. Quality here is pretty good, a fair number of the type I like, slim with cute faces. Probably a good 5-6 that I would consider 7/8's.

Quickly saw a girl I liked, had the waitress bring her over. We chit-chatted, I got her a lady drink, then asked about ST. Was told barfine was 1000 and girl was 3000. Wouldn't budge on barfine, even though I was 100% sure I was charged only 700 for barfine for ST at Billboard. Big mama later said 1000 was the same for ST or LT? I thought it was more for LT. Anyway, maybe different here. I then said, 2500 for ST was normal? After a lot of back and forth in Thai (which I don't understand), finally the girl agrees to go. Then, I'm told, pay up front. I read earlier here that this part could be negotiated too. I am almost certain paying up front means a higher chance of poor / lazy performance. I insisted on paying after. Told no-- pay now. So I say, sorry, that's ok, and I get up to leave. They look confused, start talking with one another, but nobody stops me as I exit. 320 down the drain for one drink and a lady drink.

I head upstairs and pass the LB bars. Was about to head to Butterflies or Angel Witch, then I see another Twisters? WTH, step inside. The vibe here is a little bit different, waitresses more friendly, crowd more rowdy. One waitress heads over, I refuse to buy a drink, want to see if there's anyone worth staying for first. Quality here is similar to downstairs, maybe even a touch better if you like the very slim look. Still, cannot tell for most girls just how much they are filling their bras or how much is padding. Seating here is bad, mostly high-tops or right up at the stage. I see a girl that looks almost Eurasian. Not your typical Thai face, perhaps had surgery? I know some don't like that but she looked good so I asked her to come over.

At first it was all smiles, ST discussions again with waitress, 1000 BF + 3000. I say, should be 2500? Some discussion and finally girl agrees. Told pay now. I say, pay later normal? Waitress tries to negotiate with the girl, she wants to be paid first. What is going on with the pay now? Anyway I am able to negotiate 1000 up front 1500 later. I should have sensed that things would not turn out well. She gets changed, and we head out. She starts leading me to the stairs going up only? I am confused. Turns out she is taking me to rooms upstairs where you pay 400 for room. At this point I flip out (not outwardly). I refuse, then we go back, and I demand my barfine and the 1000 paid to the girl back. Girl has a scowl on her face, I probably dodged a bullet as she was probably already unhappy since we negotiated 2500 and not pay 100% up front. I am told that if you only pay 2500 then you have to do the room upstairs? I say no-- not normal. Waitress gets me the 1000 from the girl, but says bar won't return the barfine. She tells me I can choose another girl and not pay another barfine, LOL.

I tell the waitress, look, I'll do 2500ST, at my hotel, but I don't want another girl if she will be unhappy. It won't be fun for anyone. She says don't worry, I'll talk to the girls you choose. I tell her a number, she says, no that one will only go for 3000. I tell her another number, she goes and whispers to the girl, and the girl comes over. Cute little thing, with braces, from Isan (of course) but not the super tanned exotic looking kind, more like an East Asian schoolgirl look. Waitress got her to agree to my demands up front, which was good, maybe I need to be clear on that next time before picking anyone-- 2500ST, pay later, at my hotel.

At this point, as we're walking back to the hotel (8-10 min walk) I'm a little nervous that this will also be a bust. But, as it turns out, the girl was one of the best of this trip. While her tits were a little smaller than I expected, overall her body was nice and like GND. Smiles all around, fun, DFK and convincing GFE, with any and all positions (did not try A+ or BBFS, not my thing). BBBJ, DATY. She came a couple times, and was doing that thing where the girl grabs your ass to push you in harder and deeper and faster, LOL. We went a lot longer than she expected, I imagine, as well as she was out of breath and collapsed after. I ended up giving her 3000 since she definitely deserved / earned it. Showered together and then she didn't want to leave, but then I told her I had to sleep, and she reluctantly (but with smiles) left, telling me exactly what I wanted to hear-- you good sex. LOL.

Anyway-- bottom line is, unless I'm really looking for the atmosphere of a go-go or watch a show, or want to hang out with a drink etc, Thermae has been much better in terms of quality, experience, and efficiency. I can be in and out of there in 10 minutes, at my hotel nearby in 5, and in bed by midnight, at a decent cost without a lot of up front work or chance of be&S (as in TF or apps) or the hassle at the go-gos.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2249738]-snip-

Headed to Nana. After a lackluster experience and having overpaid last time, I was determined to at least not get fleeced at Nana this time. My backup plan was to go to Thermae if Nana was a bust. Upon Natty be's advice I tried Twister ground level. Quality here is pretty good, a fair number of the type I like, slim with cute faces. Probably a good 5-6 that I would consider 7/8's.

Quickly saw a girl I liked, had the waitress bring her over. We chit-chatted, I got her a lady drink, then asked about ST. Was told barfine was 1000 and girl was 3000. Wouldn't budge on barfine, even though I was 100% sure I was charged only 700 for barfine for ST at Billboard. Big mama later said 1000 was the same for ST or LT? I thought it was more for LT. Anyway, maybe different here. I then said, 2500 for ST was normal? After a lot of back and forth in Thai (which I don't understand), finally the girl agrees to go. Then, I'm told, pay up front. I read earlier here that this part could be negotiated too. I am almost certain paying up front means a higher chance of poor / lazy performance. I insisted on paying after. Told no-- pay now. So I say, sorry, that's ok, and I get up to leave. They look confused, start talking with one another, but nobody stops me as I exit. 320 down the drain for one drink and a lady drink.

I head upstairs and pass the LB bars. Was about to head to Butterflies or Angel Witch, then I see another Twisters? WTH, step inside. The vibe here is a little bit different, waitresses more friendly, crowd more rowdy. One waitress heads over, I refuse to buy a drink, want to see if there's anyone worth staying for first. Quality here is similar to downstairs, maybe even a touch better if you like the very slim look. Still, cannot tell for most girls just how much they are filling their bras or how much is padding. Seating here is bad, mostly high-tops or right up at the stage. I see a girl that looks almost Eurasian. Not your typical Thai face, perhaps had surgery? I know some don't like that but she looked good so I asked her to come over.

At first it was all smiles, ST discussions again with waitress, 1000 BF + 3000. I say, should be 2500? Some discussion and finally girl agrees. Told pay now. I say, pay later normal? Waitress tries to negotiate with the girl, she wants to be paid first. What is going on with the pay now? Anyway I am able to negotiate 1000 up front 1500 later. I should have sensed that things would not turn out well. She gets changed, and we head out. She starts leading me to the stairs going up only? I am confused. Turns out she is taking me to rooms upstairs where you pay 400 for room. At this point I flip out (not outwardly). I refuse, then we go back, and I demand my barfine and the 1000 paid to the girl back. Girl has a scowl on her face, I probably dodged a bullet as she was probably already unhappy since we negotiated 2500 and not pay 100% up front. I am told that if you only pay 2500 then you have to do the room upstairs? I say no-- not normal. Waitress gets me the 1000 from the girl, but says bar won't return the barfine. She tells me I can choose another girl and not pay another barfine, LOL.

I tell the waitress, look, I'll do 2500ST, at my hotel, but I don't want another girl if she will be unhappy. It won't be fun for anyone. She says don't worry, I'll talk to the girls you choose. I tell her a number, she says, no that one will only go for 3000. I tell her another number, she goes and whispers to the girl, and the girl comes over. Cute little thing, with braces, from Isan (of course) but not the super tanned exotic looking kind, more like an East Asian schoolgirl look. Waitress got her to agree to my demands up front, which was good, maybe I need to be clear on that next time before picking anyone-- 2500ST, pay later, at my hotel.

At this point, as we're walking back to the hotel (8-10 min walk) I'm a little nervous that this will also be a bust. But, as it turns out, the girl was one of the best of this trip. While her tits were a little smaller than I expected, overall her body was nice and like GND. Smiles all around, fun, DFK and convincing GFE, with any and all positions (did not try A+ or BBFS, not my thing). BBBJ, DATY. She came a couple times, and was doing that thing where the girl grabs your ass to push you in harder and deeper and faster, LOL. We went a lot longer than she expected, I imagine, as well as she was out of breath and collapsed after. I ended up giving her 3000 since she definitely deserved / earned it. Showered together and then she didn't want to leave, but then I told her I had to sleep, and she reluctantly (but with smiles) left, telling me exactly what I wanted to hear-- you good sex. LOL.

Anyway-- bottom line is, unless I'm really looking for the atmosphere of a go-go or watch a show, or want to hang out with a drink etc, Thermae has been much better in terms of quality, experience, and efficiency. I can be in and out of there in 10 minutes, at my hotel nearby in 5, and in bed by midnight, at a decent cost without a lot of up front work or chance of be&S (as in TF or apps) or the hassle at the go-gos.[/QUOTE]Wow, those Twisters girls must really be providing an inordinately high percentage of crap service to be so adamant about getting paid UPFRONT now. I've never paid a Thai go-go bargirl upfront and have taken a few from Twisters. But not in a while. And, sorry, guys, I just don't buy that bit about how the poor put upon go-go bargirls are insisting on getting paid UPFRONT nowadays because us meany customers aren't paying them the going rate after a perfectly acceptable romp. Anyway, Dirk, there is no doubt in my mind that one of the main reasons your good Twisters girl experience was so good is because she had no qualms about waiting until AFTER the deed was done to get her pay for services rendered. Good on you for sticking to your guns on that very important issue.

BTW, the first Twisters you went into on the ground level is the new Twisters Bangkok Go-Go Bar recently acquired by the owners of the one on the third level. The one on the third level is the original Twisters. The one on the ground level used to be Bangkok Bunnies before the Twisters folks took it over. And, frankly, from the sounds of it, if that many of their girls are insisting on being paid UPFRONT in order to avoid being denied payment after the deed, it does not speak well of whatever quality control or management supervision they are getting from the Twisters folks, IF any.

Also, the 700 baht barfine vs the 1000 baht one vs the 1500 baht one and so on might actually be due to the time of night, night of the week or a two or three tier barfine system for different girls. And some bars charge more for the barfine than other bars anyway. I for one have not had a problem understanding and accepting a higher barfine for some girls vs others AS LONG AS it is made clear to me by the higher priced barfine girl that she will indeed deliver something EXTRA for that EXTRA barfine rate. Otherwise, she has no right to be considered "Special" deserving a "Special" barfine rate. That is where BBFS or BBBJ+CIM+Swallow comes into the negotiations and stays there or I walk. For me, that is. I realize other customers might choose other EXTRAS deserving of that "Special" moniker.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2249738]Decided to check out Shock 39 to satisfy my CIS (no idea what this stands for, but I assume something to do with central asia) curiosity.

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Anyway-- bottom line is, unless I'm really looking for the atmosphere of a go-go or watch a show, or want to hang out with a drink etc, Thermae has been much better in terms of quality, experience, and efficiency. I can be in and out of there in 10 minutes, at my hotel nearby in 5, and in bed by midnight, at a decent cost without a lot of up front work or chance of be&S (as in TF or apps) or the hassle at the go-gos.[/QUOTE]Commonwealth of Independent States. Also known as the "stans". Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Russia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, and Uzbekistan.

Nice report.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2249738]Anyway-- bottom line is, unless I'm really looking for the atmosphere of a go-go or watch a show, or want to hang out with a drink etc, Thermae has been much better in terms of quality, experience, and efficiency. I can be in and out of there in 10 minutes, at my hotel nearby in 5, and in bed by midnight, at a decent cost without a lot of up front work or chance of be&S (as in TF or apps) or the hassle at the go-gos.[/QUOTE]Atmosphere? Its really foul in there, and the sound system is fairly rank. DJ was intolerable when I went there. This place really is a "shocker". Not sure there is anywhere I would rate as worse in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2249800]Wow, those Twisters girls must really be providing an inordinately high percentage of crap service to be so adamant about getting paid UPFRONT now. I've never paid a Thai go-go bargirl upfront and have taken a few from Twisters. But not in a while. And, sorry, guys, I just don't buy that bit about how the poor put upon go-go bargirls are insisting on getting paid UPFRONT nowadays because us meany customers aren't paying them the going rate after a perfectly acceptable romp. [/QUOTE]Was your success rate good at twisters? I had one really good girl from there, one bad one, and some in between.

Getting paid upfront, usually means the girl is going to be like my worst Twisters girl in that she does not really want to be penetrated/fucked and gives the stiff straight legs treatment, or alternatively girls have been experiencing customers, not paying what they were supposed to. We can't know if the girl deserved to be paid in full or not.

Crazy House had mamasans always asking for the full up front with new customers, but I never paid it. Some girls I have done regularly and not having any great reason to make up bullshit, have reported several customers, who just never intended to pay. They got the full sex and satisfactory service and then said sorry my wallet is empty. So customers wanting freebies or to pay a much lower amount than agreed does happen. They just rationalise it to themselves by deciding what they think they should pay, if any. It's not like the girl can call the police, to ask for payment. Plenty of guys exist that do regularly rip off the girls.

Obviously this is part of the reason why many MPs have changed to up front all in payment.

Has been known for bargirls to do a runner, having already received payment, so it is certainly not wise to pay in advance if don't know the girl in my view. Slightly irrelevant since I never paid in advance to bargirls, only to MPs.