Rio de Janeiro Reports

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist]Come in mouth without warning and permission is considered very impolite and breach of contract. Do you expect the girl to be classy if you blatantly violate rules? You totally lacked class! [/QUOTE]

Who said that there was no warning? Prior to session, we had an agreement on anal and CIM. I bought an hour with this in mind. Then it was the bait and switch in the room, no anal, no CIM.

So in this case, is she in breach of contract and should I have demanded a pro-rated refund to make up for the fraudulence? There is no contract in mongering, all is fair. I've recieved STI's from girls that obviously must have known they had it and I don't hold it against them because it comes with the territory. I have been injured by giving free license to a Japanese dominatrix who then ignored my safeword, and that was my fault for making her feel that she could entertain herself only as she saw fit. This hobby is about exploitation of our resources by the girls to the maximum extent possible, and about our exploitation of their bodies. So if a GDP enters into session, I consider that she is a mature individual who knows that if she sucks a guys cock bareback until it is pulsing and slipping all over in her mouth, then if she continues, he is going to come in her mouth no matter what she said before she started sucking it.

Thanks to you and Hughdad for your quickdraw offer of moral guidance, though. I will remember all this the next time and stay virtuous while I am mongering.

Let's be real in this uniquely romantic and quasi-chivalrous thread for a moment. What we mongers do is provide a cash incentive for otherwise normal girls to sell their ass for quick money and forgo all their other possibilities for a real future until such a time when they are burnt out and too old to turn back. If it wasn't for us, they might be motivated to go out and seek employment with a long term future. Do we care? Not much, we still monger.. So busting a clean nut in her mouth per our agreement seems a favor in comparison. I've given her a reason to come back the next day and wait for another like me that will keep her in the lifestyle until one day she wakes up at the age of 40, past her GDP expiration date, and married to some dreg Brasilero who beats her daily because no one else wanted such a used up jaded woman. This is the moral territory that we operate in; live and let live.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa].....until one day she wakes up at the age of 40, past her GDP expiration date.....[/QUOTE]
Not at all true, if a girl keeps in shape. I personally know a GDP who was 39 when I met her in L'uomo 10 years ago, and she was truthful about her age when I asked her. Now she is 49 and still in the game, although she tells prospective johns that she is 33. She has now moved to Italy, where she is making top dollar as a call girl. Here is a link where you can access a few pics that were taken 3 or 4 years ago when she was 45 or 46:

[url]http://www.escortforum.net/accompagnatrici/marianah/en/#[/url]

Would you kick her out of bed?

[QUOTE=Lorenzo]Not at all true, if a girl keeps in shape. I personally know a GDP who was 39 when I met her in L'uomo 10 years ago, and she was truthful about her age when I asked her. Now she is 49 and still in the game, although she tells prospective johns that she is 33. She has now moved to Italy, where she is making top dollar as a call girl. Here is a link where you can access a few pics that were taken 3 or 4 years ago when she was 45 or 46:

[url]http://www.escortforum.net/accompagnatrici/marianah/en/#[/url]

Would you kick her out of bed?[/QUOTE]

:) No, not if it was free. But I see enough of the face to say no to P4P. It seems that most guys are not looking for such a 'mature' GDP and if you take all the 20-somethings working in Rio today, the market can't sustain them in the profession for that long before they are washed up and replaced by the next SYT wanting quick money and looking better at getting it. Perhaps if they go to Europe they become the exotic Brasilian and can command sessions well into their 60's for the granny fetishists, who knows?.. :)

My point is that, as other people have pointed out lately, people romanticize Brasilian girls and mongering here as if there is some special code and we are in some kind of trusting relationship 'contract' with GDP's. Not so. Maybe that happens in Cebu City PI or somewhere like that, but in Rio they know the score; that we are swinging dicks and cash. We know that we are using them for fun and if that means that we're promoting them to have dangerous and unhealthy practices or lifestyles, or annoying them within the limits of the law, so be it. I earn my money by always delivering beyond the minimum agreed level of performance, otherwise I would not be making any money. I expect 70% of that from the girls that get the money which usually means CIM and if I actually get the anal that they promise and seldom deliver, I consider it fair at 100%.

Let's take a different L'uomo example who will never make it to 40 as a GDP. Ane that I sessioned last June. Claimed she's 25 and has 2 kids at home. So I am there at Luomo feeding this known-alcoholic drinks to further her addiction, and giving her money that keeps her at Luomo instead of at home taking care of her kids...I think that's the typical GDP before burnout. I'm not going to wax nostalgic about how she was this wonderful human being and I'd just let her neglect her promises. She backed out of CIM and she also got a taste because she had already agreed to it. So there is no need for people to be sentimental about these GDP's like they are some girl from a romance movie. They just aren't. But they are skilled actresses and know how to work a gringo's mind into thinking of them as such. So like others, I can think that they are just the 'girl next door'...and I'm the Pope and not just PP the perv who likes to bang everything in sight and then go post pictures and the story. It's a cute theme, very sweet thing that Rio has going for it.

Favelas (or "comunidades" as they now call them) are a difficult subject, I admit it. Rio has more than 750. And it should be one the objectives of the new Rio: To make the lives of these people more livable with better services.

But these people are real. Just like you or me. They laugh, they cry, they struggle, they are born and they die. Most of them didn't choose to live there. But nobody choses their place of birth (do they?).

Here's a short documentary (10 minutes in Spanish and Portuguese) that shows the two sides of the city: From the Pastana Rio Hotel to one of the "comunidades" or favelas. It's worth watching (specially the second part), even if it's just to practice your Portuguese (don't say Porto, please). Life inside the favela is real. Real people. Real life.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFUuvfZ75o4[/url]

Another comment: Last time I was in Rio (a few months ago) I had a series of work meetings at Botafogo, close to the "comunidade" of Dona Marta. The funny thing is that there's a public wi-fi in Dona Marta, paid by the community. And it's so strong and so good that most of the neighbours pick up the signal.

We had a local wi-fi at the meetings but I ended picking up Dona Marta's signal because it was so much stronger. So who's robbing who?

[QUOTE=Jota Erre]Favelas (or "comunidades" as they now call them) are a difficult subject, I admit it. Rio has more than 750. And it should be one the objectives of the new Rio: To make the lives of these people more livable with better services.

But these people are real. Just like you or me. They laugh, they cry, they struggle, they are born and they die. Most of them didn't choose to live there. But nobody choses their place of birth (do they?).

Here's a short documentary (10 minutes in Spanish and Portuguese) that shows the two sides of the city: From the Pastana Rio Hotel to one of the "comunidades" or favelas. It's worth watching (specially the second part), even if it's just to practice your Portuguese (don't say Porto, please). Life inside the favela is real. Real people. Real life.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFUuvfZ75o4[/url]

Another comment: Last time I was in Rio (a few months ago) I had a series of work meetings at Botafogo, close to the "comunidade" of Dona Marta. The funny thing is that there's a public wi-fi in Dona Marta, paid by the community. And it's so strong and so good that most of the neighbours pick up the signal.

We had a local wi-fi at the meetings but I ended picking up Dona Marta's signal because it was so much stronger. So who's robbing who?[/QUOTE]


I know, I know. I promised not to participate this favela discussion but now I just have to.

Jota, you are so clueless.

First of all, great majority of favela residents DO choose live in favelas because their accommodation is practically free. In favelas they do not pay even land tax, IPTU. Not to mention that all services are being stolen.

About that Wi-Fi in favela. Do you really think that the actual operators here are giving voluntarily their service for free???
Trust me in one way or another favela rats have been able to blackmail that service and they are not paying one centavo for it. I AM paying their Wi-Fi on my internet provider bill.

There are over 8 million people in Rio de Janeiro and all services here are more expensive than in Europe or US. This doesn't make any sense....

[QUOTE=Perkele]I know, I know. I promised not to participate this favela discussion but now I just have to.

Jota, you are so clueless.

About that Wi-Fi in favela. Do you really think that the actual operators here are giving voluntarily their service for free???
Trust me in one way or another favela rats have been able to blackmail that service and they are not paying one centavo for it. I AM paying their Wi-Fi on my internet provider bill.

There are over 8 million people in Rio de Janeiro and all services here are more expensive than in Europe or US. This doesn't make any sense....[/QUOTE]

Internet sem fio is provided courtesy of Gov Sergio Cabral and ultimately we tax-paying residents of Rio de Janeiro will pay the bill.

[url]http://www.inclusaodigital.gov.br/noticia/internet-sem-fio-chega-a-moradores-de-favela-no-rio[/url]

[url]http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2010/02/02/internet-sem-fio-chega-rocinha-em-marco-915772281.asp[/url]

[QUOTE=Perkele]I know, I know. I promised not to participate this favela discussion but now I just have to.

Jota, you are so clueless.

About that Wi-Fi in favela. Do you really think that the actual operators here are giving voluntarily their service for free???

Trust me in one way or another favela rats have been able to blackmail that service and they are not paying one centavo for it. I AM paying their Wi-Fi on my internet provider bill. [/QUOTE]
First, don't call these people rats. They're just human beings that, most probably, didn't have it as easy as yourself.

Second, Poucolouco is right. "Internet sem fio" is provided courtesy of Gov Sergio Cabral.

Third, is also responsability of the State to help in taking this people out of poverty. That's the way that is done all over Europe and it makes sense.

Last, I'd like to destroy another myth: Brasil is changing its working habits and soon will become one of the world economic powers.

During the Lula years, the country has changed. One fourth of the population (25%) has gone from poverty to middle class.

Slowly, but is changing. And favelas will change. You'll see.

P.S.: As someone said, these people WORK. They're the ones that are doing, probably, your hotel room, providing you drinks on the beach or cleaning your streets.

For whoever is interested. Here's the scond part of the same documentary covering Carnaval.

Carnaval, for example, is something that wouldn't be posible without people from the favelas.

They're the ones that create the costumes and most of the "escolas de samba" are associated to them.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adqyONH8I-g[/url]

There's a beatiful song by Tom Jobim and Vinicius de Moraes about Carnaval. It's call "A Felicidade":

Tristeza não tem fim
Felicidade sim...
A felicidade é como a pluma
Que o vento vai levando pelo ar
Voa tão leve
Mas tem a vida breve
Precisa que haja vento sem parar.

A felicidade do pobre parece
A grande ilusão do carnaval
A gente trabalha o ano inteiro
Por um momento de sonho
Pra fazer a fantasia
De rei, ou de pirata, ou jardineira
E tudo se acabar na quarta-feira.

I guess all you guys are experts in Portuguese by now. But I'll try to translate it for those who are not:

Though sadness lingers on
Soon happiness is gone
Happiness is like a little feather
The wind has carried up into the air
Floating so free
Yet it can only be
As long as there’s a breeze to hold it there.

So the happiness of a poor man would seem
A grand illusion of the Carnaval
He works and he plans
Each day through the year
To live if just for a moment
In the splendor of his dreams
To be a prince, a king, a Casanova
Then Wednesday comes and Carnaval must end.

[QUOTE=Jota Erre]First, don't call these people rats. They're just human beings that, most probably, didn't have it as easy as yourself.

Second, Poucolouco is right. "Internet sem fio" is provided courtesy of Gov Sergio Cabral.

Third, is also responsability of the State to help in taking this people out of poverty. That's the way that is done all over Europe and it makes sense.

Last, I'd like to destroy another myth: Brasil is changing its working habits and soon will become one of the world economic powers.

During the Lula years, the country has changed. One fourth of the population (25%) has gone from poverty to middle class.

Slowly, but is changing. And favelas will change. You'll see.

P.S.: As someone said, these people WORK. They're the ones that are doing, probably, your hotel room, providing you drinks on the beach or cleaning your streets.[/QUOTE]

Right.

Those "people" work, but do they contribute anything? No.

You are so clueless what is really going on in Brasil.

I'm happy with the economic boost of this country, since I live here and I can directly gain from this boost, but poor won't get anything. All these things that government is giving to them is just a gimmick. You know, already Roman emperors did the same thing.

[QUOTE=Jota Erre]For whoever is interested. Here's the scond part of the same documentary covering Carnaval.

Carnaval, for example, is something that wouldn't be posible without people from the favelas.

They're the ones that create the costumes and most of the "escolas de samba" are associated to them.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adqyONH8I-g[/url][/QUOTE]

This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Poor rats have no money to sustain themselves, but oh yeah when it comes to making carnaval suits or platforms they can spend MILLIONS of reais. Come on. The whole carnaval is just to keep poor rats quiet. And dumb gringos fall for that bs too.

[QUOTE=Prosal]By "us", what you mean?

FYI, not all people here are losers whose only mongering experiences are to have imported a favelada wife from Brasil to Europe and to fuck prostitutes in Spain nasty brothels.

There's world class travelers here, interested by new perspectives and unexplored pathes.

Right. I post in the Uzbekistan, Moldova, Georgia, Russia and Romania threads. Can you even locate Uzbekistan on a map BTW ?

And yeah, I mongered throughout Brasil already during the Cruzado era, and I have certainly earned the right to post in the Brasil sections, whether you like it or not.[/QUOTE]No intention to direct this specifically at Prosal, only to say generally: this would be a much more collegial environment if people would sit on their hands (so to speak) if they are feeling especially misanthropic or have had their snout too long or too deep in a vodka bottle. There's so much gray area, why not speak from specific experience and spare the editorializing?

[QUOTE=Perkele]This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Poor rats have no money to sustain themselves, but oh yeah when it comes to making carnaval suits or platforms they can spend MILLIONS of reais. Come on. The whole carnaval is just to keep poor rats quiet. And dumb gringos fall for that bs too.[/QUOTE]
+1. Anyone with half a brain knows that Rio carnaval is mainly a very very lucrative mafia-controlled business (controlled by the same mafia lords who reign on Jogo do Bicho).

Personally I find Bahia carnaval even more appalling. Blocos are so obviously commercial and segregationist that it is grotesque. Yet there it's the axe industry that rules the event.

[QUOTE=Perkele] The whole carnaval is just to keep poor rats quiet. And dumb gringos fall for that bs too.[/QUOTE]
As is football. Unemployed masses who applaud millionaires.

[QUOTE=Prosal]+1. Anyone with half a brain knows that Rio carnaval is mainly a very very lucrative mafia-controlled business (controlled by the same mafia lords who reign on Jogo do Bicho).
[/QUOTE]
The italian Mafia is also involved in Italian soccer league...and there are Mafias all over the world.

So what?

Happines is the crucial element. Happines is a very elusive thing.
Elusive, mysterious but absolutely needed.

Happiness is like a little feather
The wind has carried up into the air...

But either you're happy (even if it's just for a few hours) or you're unhappy and you feel miserable.

Pick your choice.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp6SPJMdXko[/url]