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[QUOTE=Bignaz]Thanks BARCRAWLER and KAPITAN.
How would you describe the Zinc in comparison to York? Is it a little more 'up-market' in terms of its patronage, or is it just more expensive due to it's surroundings?[/QUOTE]No similaraties at all. Zinc is a regular civilian night club where you may find some freelance WG, but most women will not be WGs. The York is the York!
There are more than "some", but certainly the percentage of WG vs civilians is probably less than 10% (not that the civilians are not "addressable")
York is a meat market, and you could describe it as a free-fire zone (no civilians). Price wise, in York you could push for a 500, in Zing you would be hard pressed to get something for less than 1500.
York girls are your typical wg, the ones in Zing are in much better position, they may have their own car and play a different game.
I would never take a customer to York, but they took me to Zing :)
[QUOTE=Barcrawler]No similaraties at all. Zinc is a regular civilian night club where you may find some freelance WG, but most women will not be WGs. The York is the York![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bignaz]Thanks BARCRAWLER and KAPITAN.
How would you describe the Zinc in comparison to York? Is it a little more 'up-market' in terms of its patronage, or is it just more expensive due to it's surroundings?[/QUOTE]
Zinc is a civilian club, prices for drink is on a par with other venues, entrance is free if you are staying at the CP - just show the doorman your room card, also if staying there you can simply walk past the que - cool.
Club is populated by younger Massimo Duti wearing expat twats (I guess that includes me - except I'm not young!). Very few WGs work there, but look out for the stunners standing alone at the bar. Strike up conversation as if she was a civilian ie avoid asking how much, she may well be a civilian anyway...she might be an Emirates attendant or a girl working in a real job in Dxb. You will soon find out, I can remember once chatting to two Australian blonde stunners in there thinking they were civilians and my luck was in, I bought drinks all night and was shocked (really - both by the revelationand the bill) when it was time to have some action and they told me it was 2000 for one or 3000 for the pair! Naturally I declined and went to the Regal!
Price for a WG wll be very high in his club, certainly in the 1500 upwards range.
MK
[quote=cons68]she told me that when she was close there she felt it was too risky and she and her friends decided to take the night off. they were really scared. on the other hand the grape-fruit-sized girl i took home from seaview claims that there is not any additional risk... [/quote]the girl currently staying with me, when i asked, initially was "no problems, everything ok, don't worry", yet, a week later, sms'sing she needed some help.
think what has the girls freaked out are the "home" raids. clubs - goes with the territory, but as long as the "house" was discreet, relatively safe. now girls that live in "non-common" locations, just a few girls in the house, still feel safe. girls in the "barracks-style" accomodations, or well know locations, no.
likewise, the york always prone to "le waiting outside" raids, especially now with the construction's limited access. smaller venues, less numbers of wg's, less 'bang for the buck' for lurking le as it were. maybe that's the whole intent, to make everything less visible. certainly at york or 'snake, the common complaint from the wg's was "too many ladies".
[quote=cons68]basic social acts? hummm... when did you take an elevator last time in dubai? do not you love when they (mostly members of a given nationality) try to walk through you? the concept of letting people out first seems to be considered just another example of imperialism i guess.[/quote]lol. or how about entering/exiting the freeway? a zipper like "merge" beyond their comprehension - number trying to queue jump, thus screwing it up for all.
[b]bignaz[/b]:[list][*]in the "common" venues here: regal, york, imperial, tgit, 99% of the females are wg's (staff excluded, it's not bkk).[*]in the rattlesnake, can get a few female "civilians", but they are rather obvious.[*]in jockeys, a few gf's or "dates" present while their bf's drink, but most females are working (though, in absolute numbers, rather limited).[*]seaview, very common for some "civilians" to be present, along with a few of the wgs to be on "dates". with a little observation, easy to tell.[*]haven't been to the premiere in years, but i'd venture to say easy to tell the "independent businesswomen" from the "civilians".[*]just about any other club/hotel bar will have a few wg's present, but, as mentioned, the majority are civilians.[/list]with the demise of the cyclone, a number of a-listers have rep001tered. 'snake has reaped its share, a few at york, no doubt a number at regal and premiere.
[QUOTE=Cons68]What a difference a few months make!
Compared to six months ago, she has a much better attitude, she has learnt to enjoy sex. It may sound weird, but I think first time she really did not know hot to enjoy herself. the way she looked at me it was amazing, she was full of joy, nothing too romantic, pure unadultered joy.
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Yep Cons68, I fully agree. We all live and learn, dont forget when I first met Y all that time ago, she was a genuine 1st day in DXB, minimum age and very naive. I think you saw her about 6 weeks later, still naive but learning fast.
I revisited Y for a night last August and agree, she has blossomed somewhat, but so has her arse LOL.
Being the 50;50 man, although still a tiny girl, I found she was almost 6 kg heavier than when she first arrived and was almost out of my parameters. (Yes I do weigh them if I can) This is mostly due to my recent weight loss diet, of course!!
Still a beauty, with possibly one of the best racks I have ever had the pleasure of playing with. I christened her the Big Boobed Baby and the attached pic shows the puppies at their best. It is good to know Y is doing well, and at 800 seems good value too!!
Cheers FF
I have great news!!! Her arse is not large at all... In fact when compared with her rack it looks tiny. Maybe because I was spoiled by Brazilian bundas :)
But be assured that, probably as a direct consequence of her meeting with you, she took effective actions against that threat. Once again, you made a positive difference.
BTW I imagine you are having a hell of a time in your new destination... with so few girls willing to be seen with a foreigner. We are all very sorry for you.
[QUOTE=Fifty Fifty]Yep Cons68, I fully agree. We all live and learn, dont forget when I first met Y all that time ago, she was a genuine 1st day in DXB, minimum age and very naive. I think you saw her about 6 weeks later, still naive but learning fast.
I revisited Y for a night last August and agree, she has blossomed somewhat, but so has her arse LOL.
Being the 50;50 man, although still a tiny girl, I found she was almost 6 kg heavier than when she first arrived and was almost out of my parameters. (Yes I do weigh them if I can) This is mostly due to my recent weight loss diet, of course!!
Still a beauty, with possibly one of the best racks I have ever had the pleasure of playing with. I christened her the Big Boobed Baby and the attached pic shows the puppies at their best. It is good to know Y is doing well, and at 800 seems good value too!!
Cheers FF[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Cons68]I have great news!!! Her arse is not large at all... In fact when compared with her rack it looks tiny.[/QUOTE]Yep, Y is a great gal.
Been with her many times and consider her one of the "special" ones I've met in my time.
Great GFE, and likes to play housewife even though the poor thing can't cook to save her life!
Spent many a weekend with her and so far she has always been ok with staying over 2 nights in a row for 1000. (I usually give her a bit more whenever I can)
Sometimes she refuses payment which I found weird at first, but now understand it a little better. Part long term marketing strategy and partly becuase I always make sure she enjoys herself.
She does appreciate being treated nicely (as do all ladies), and if she likes you, will go the extra mile.
I also met her when she was only a few days in Dubai.
That was about a year ago I think. Maybe longer.
At that time she could'nt speak much English and was actually with a freind of mine who was very eager to get down to business.
Poor thing looked very nervous since he is a rather large Brazillian fellow about 4 times her size.
My favourite Filipina regular was also with me and did a lot to make her feel more comfortable.
(A russian roulette drinking game involving vodka shots and a Nerf Gun also helped! )
Since then she's learnt a lot more English, actually has a pretty good sense of humour and is way more confident.
Always fun when she brings over her Chinese DVDs because she knows I like Kung Fu movies.
She has an adorable way of translating for me and making sure I understand the story!
Still can't cook, but I'm working on that!
A real gem. Extremely honest, warm hearted and great looking to boot!
Also, her friends, while not in the same league looks wise, are a nice bunch of girls.
Y's older sister in particular (Regulars at Sea View know her for sure), is fond of giving me advice and sorting out my lifes problems whenever she gets the chance. When I broke up with my girlfriend of 6 years in August, she turned into a regular Doctor Phil! A lot of it made sense too.
I still get texts from her to make sure I'm eating properly. (Bless her! )
Just goes to shows the common perception that all WG's are just business minded all the time is not necessarily true once they know you are somone they can trust.
Play nice and treat them with respect. (I'm sure most of you do anyway) A little kindness and effort on your part goes a LONG way and its a pleasant change for these girls.
Another thing about Y. She may look all small and helpless, but she is a tough cookie when need be.
Just ask her about the fight she had with the Afircan WG in Seaview. I believe this led up to the current situation with Africans being banned for there.
Hilarious!
[QUOTE=Excess]Off geography but on topic.
Having completed a week's inspections in another warm clime in which I interviewed dozens of applicants before selecting a handful for 2nd overnight and afternoon more thorough interviews, the question and appreciation of politeness and gentlemanly behaviour came up a number of times.
The girls do very much notice, react to, and spread the word through the Working girls wifi network on who is hot - polite, respecful, pays and oh yes is a decent lay who works the girl as well as himself in that order, and who is not.
In the area I operated in, the providers were a mix of FSU and Filipina for the most part. As but two examples of a number:
Quote 1 from Filipina who I have "known" for awhile: " Among the Filipina girls in the club, we say when a foreigner (European, North America) is taking one of us out, "She is lucky"."
Quote 2. from a daughter of the Ukraine: " Usually from most Tourists, we are treated as "normalny" girl, from the locals we are treated like shit".
Not an exhaustive survey but the feelings do run deep and cross boundaries and this is but one inspection tour of many with similar comments.
This is to the Gentleman's advantage no matter where they come from if they can sense the vibe and play it with conviction.
The rewards are provided in different ways but usually mean a super session with often the addition of those somtimes hard to find additional menu items
offered spontaneously and at no thought of an extra cost attached.
It is rather touching to hear about 'locals' wanting only bare back and to fuck their ass casuing the speaker to say, I leave and run from the room then - I hate them.
Only to have the same girl later that night in round two after having her come, rip off the condom and request bareback or leave it on and quietly offer anal. Your choice and YMMV as it does every session.
Bottom line with most girls, but not all, gentlemanly behaviour even starting simply as noted below opening the cab door for her costs absolutely zero, you get at least a smile unless she is a hardened piece of work and the payback is usually very tangible. In the end, Girls just wanna have fun too. It's a tough business based upon fantasy to some degree or another, no wonder if they can indulge in a bit of it too, then once in a while the working girls want to let go and release as well.
Arise Sir Mongers and enjoy the fruits of your politeness.[/QUOTE]Good post!
Agree 100% with everything said.
Shame that though this SHOULD be common practice, it is more or less the exception rather than the rule. And not just in Dubai either.
A lot of guys that are normally quite decent will turn into pigs when they are with WG's. Never fully understood that and its happened many times with guys I know.
Guess it may be the whole "I'm paying for it so she should'nt complain".
Thats mainly why I tend to fly solo most of the time.
That way I know that I and the lady or ladies I am with that night, will all have a good time with no macho bullshit screwing it up for everyone.
[QUOTE=11Bravo]Think what has the girls freaked out are the "home" raids. [/QUOTE]Absolutely. My temporary "housemates" have all found somewhere new now. But as most are in Deira or Bur Dubai I'm pretty much expecting a call any time from someone on the move again soon or needing a safe haven.
The experienced girls can usually spot LE at/outside clubs a mile away. But getting a knock on the door at home at 6pm has raised the bar somewhat.
I know at least one who is so freaked out that she has not worked since first LE raids some two weeks ago and is lucky enough to have enough cash to lay low for a while longer yet.
She really is genuinely scared at prospect of going back to work and is not even agreeing to calls from regulars at the moment.
Obviously those girls who need the money more desperately will take the risks.
By the way, there seems to be a definite "thou shalt not enjoy thyself" mood from the authorities at present. In addition to the WG purge, outside bars have been banned from playing loud music and there is now "no dancing" in outside areas.
Certainly places like Barasti and 360 suffered big time last weekend.
This happened in Bahrain a few years ago and the place is now virtually dead in terms of entertainment. Let's hope the "forward-thinking" Dubai government does not push this whole thing to the same extent here.
Be careful out there.
Steamer33
[QUOTE=Steamer33]My temporary "housemates" have all found somewhere new now.[/quote]Interesting... As I said, "mine" is becoming more ensconced... Can't blame her, safe environment, room and bathroom to HERSELF... Might be the first time in her life...
[QUOTE=Steamer33]But getting a knock on the door at home at 6pm has raised the bar somewhat.[/quote]That's got to be taking a toll - no safe haven. Like I said, no matter how much shit I take at work, how bad the traffic, the construction, all the idiots, once I walk in my place, close the door, it's my castle, my cocoon. Can't imagine not having that (and why I've always left the keys with whoever the current Miss Thursday is whenever I go on vacation).
[QUOTE=Steamer33]She really is genuinely scared at prospect of going back to work and is not even agreeing to calls from regulars at the moment.[/quote]Girls I see are not so much scared of work - like you say, they can spot LE, and word gets around FAST. It's the home environment that has them freaked.
[QUOTE=Steamer33]By the way, there seems to be a definite "thou shalt not enjoy thyself" mood from the authorities at present. In addition to the WG purge, outside bars have been banned from playing loud music and there is now "no dancing" in outside areas.[/quote]It's Eid... too loud, "someone" who doesn't "appreciate" western music, and has some wasta.... Hell, I'd be complaining if it was "you take the c out of crap" music...
[QUOTE=Wiseblood 213]Guess it may be the whole "I'm paying for it so she should'nt complain".[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, I think you've got that right, the "I pounded her for an hour"... must be very enjoyable for her. Like you said, taking some time, consideration, and MUTUAL enjoyment can go a LONG way...
[QUOTE=Wiseblood 213]Thats mainly why I tend to fly solo most of the time.[/QUOTE]As John Wayne would say, "yep".
I've found the girls will more readily approach a solo punter, knowing they are not interupting anything.
[QUOTE=11Bravo]Interesting... As I said, "mine" is becoming more ensconced... Can't blame her, safe environment, room and bathroom to HERSELF... Might be the first time in her life...
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I think this may be an issue with Miss A when she returns... She may have little incentive to find a place on her own... on the other side she takes care of the house, organizes everything (ie. I can no longer easily find any of the cables, power supplies I need) and cooks (she has improved from moving sausages from freezer into the pan now she can cook Thai style, and I am sure she will be practicing while with her grand ma :) ) But yes, most girls are very keen on finding a stable place and moving into gf status. This may or may not be what you want...
[QUOTE=11Bravo]
Unfortunately, I think you've got that right, the "I pounded her for an hour"... must be very enjoyable for her. Like you said, taking some time, consideration, and MUTUAL enjoyment can go a LONG way...
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That is a real problem for me :( usually girls are happy to cater to my needs but I try to make sure they enjoy first.
[QUOTE=Cons68]I think this may be an issue with Miss A when she returns... She may have little incentive to find a place on her own... on the other side she takes care of the house, organizes everything (ie. I can no longer easily find any of the cables, power supplies I need) and cooks (she has improved from moving sausages from freezer into the pan now she can cook Thai style, and I am sure she will be practicing while with her grand ma :) ) But yes, most girls are very keen on finding a stable place and moving into gf status. This may or may not be what you want...
That is a real problem for me :( usually girls are happy to cater to my needs but I try to make sure they enjoy first.[/QUOTE]
Miss A does want to move out Cons...what with her demanding boss who ties her up in bondage straps and has his wicked way with her (can I come next time please :)).
She has said she will be looking for accommodation when she returns - one with ample room for for all the kinky stuff the "Kinky Weesterners" like (she must be referring to you :D
Bars open tonight, so question is always which one. Consider York, but take the easy road, so it's
[b]Rattlesnake, Tuesday, 22:00 - 1:00[/b] Just the time should tell you something... Plus the timestamp of this post...
Had planned on getting there around 9:30, but delayed. 30 minutes not much, but tonight, critical. As I cross the garden portal, spot Miss FirstChoice walking across the garden... Unfortunately, she's headed TOWARDS me, and "accompanied". Damn. But wait, the guy hangs a left, heads for the Italian restaurant, she continues straight. I delude myself things looking up.
She is a mind reader; as we pass, she tells me, "Sorry, it's all night tonight..." I appreciate her giving me the "don't wait up"...
Pay my 35 dhs, inside. Not crowded, the usual: heavily PRC, blacks, a few CIS. One of the CIS is incredible... her targets must be those punters who have mother fantasies... YIKES!! Enough to put you OFF for the evening...
See Smoker - she offers ST ONLY - yea maybe on a "school" night, but it's Christmas vacation (well, close enough), so pass. Several previous dance partners stop by to check tonight's dance card, but none make the grade. Several new faces stop by, one saying "You're smiling at me, so you want to take me home?" No, I'm just a happy guy...
Not that it's grim, it's just there's no "depth", no "bench", at least with the PRC's. You have the 1000 dhs "starters", then... nothing that really catches my eye. Maybe I've been here too long. At least at York, there are packs of 'cookie-cutters' around, so if nothing really catches your eye, you can always go for the double header.
Getting late (for ME), past midnight. Finally see someone "interesting"; get a smile back from across the room, so step over. Limited conversation, but it's due to language impairment. I ask THE question, how much does she want? She asks me how much I'll pay. I'm not going to do THAT dance, so she comes back with, "1000". Now she's cute, nice body, well LOOKS like it, but you can't really tell until you unwrap the package... Might be a starter for some, but not for me. She does ask me to make a counter offer. I reply with what I think is a very respectable offer, 700. The look on her face is priceless; "But you want ALL night!!!"
I step outside. So much for taking pot-luck; should have made a reservation. OK, call Miss Jockey. She answers; well, the phones connect, but the din is so great from her end, I can't hear what she's saying. I'm thinking good news, she's still at the bar. Yes, but... she steps outside, tells me she's busy - I should have called earlier. Yep, that's becoming clear.
Call the newbie I pulled Friday night - she is cute, if somewhat of a limited menu. She's... at Premiere?!? Not saying she's out of her league looks wise, but that skillset... She's available; I should come to Hyatt and take her. Cross the creek? Hell, York's closer... I decline.
Decide to pass on York, back inside. See Canary, she's late (explains she had some early business...) Hmmm, might be a chance for me...
See a real cutie that's been on my 'wish list' for several months. What the hell, if I'm going to pay 1000, might as well be for someone [u]I[/u] consider a STUNNER. Smile + dimples DAZZLING. It's either that or York. I step over, we chat. Things good, I'm not surprised when she quotes 1000. I counter with 800. That's a no go, she starting to explain why (unnecessary; if that's the price quote, that's the price quote). She gives me some bs about 'if I'm a known customer, she's got her rent paid, she's not just back from china... maybe next time a discount' (yea, sure, and maybe next time I'll win the lottery). My spider sense is starting to tingle.
I'm not totally bedazzled; do a menu check. Not exactly what I was hoping for; gives me pause. Ask about departure time. There, she comes up a winner; up to me. Minutes pass, she gives me a "you interested or not?", I'm "maybe", she moves on. Reminds me of French cuisine - high prices, lot of empty space on that plate... Canary full meal for sure...
I keep an eye on Miss Dazzling. Attractive girl in a black dress... another in boots I've seen around ... But the eyes keep drifting back to Miss D. Lose sight of her; oops, looks like the decision has been made for me; she and a gf at a table chatting with some potentials. Looks pretty promising... for them. I catch her eye, give a shrug, turn back to survey the crowd. Things looking grim. See her pass by me; I figure to the toilet, but no, she stops at the stair.
Sorry guys, I'm not going to lose her "opportunity" over 200; I've got too many on the wish list, the to-do list, and the repeat list. OK? It is, and off we go.
Back to my place, relax and chat for awhile. Things looking good. Hit the bedroom, I shower, then she. She must be part Thai as she has the towel trick down pat. Then... "You pay money now." That's a show stopper. I explain the money is downstairs; "no problem, I'll wait". I begin to get that 'Danger Will Robinson' feeling. I pull on my pants, shirt, tell her we'll go back to the bar. She points out it's 2:15, bar will close shortly. Yes, but... seems we've each made a mistake. She's with the "don't be angry" (I'm not), and asking how much I'll pay (for nothing, which is symmetric with how much I will pay for her lost oppertunities).
Voice of experience, I know this is headed down an unpleasant road. I decide to u-turn; go get the money. She's fine with me leaving it on the table. Takes awhile, but we get back into the groove, and it's a "nice" time for both of us. I mention one shot in the morning, and the contract's satisfied. Oops, seems a)she doesn't like a morning round after she's slept, so I can sleep for 1 or 2 hours, then we can go at it again. Hmmm, given it's now 4am (there goes Wednes[b]day[/b], I'll be wasted), why not sleep 5 or 6 hours to wake up at a decent hour?
She explains why. b)Her "up to me" departure time is up to me, as long as I'm agreeable to a 7am one. No, I'm really not. More dissension in the ranks. Her "explanation": she's just changed houses, doesn't know where, so the 'chinese taxi' is a must, and after 7, the driver sleeps (busy night and all). How busy? Well, there's thety girls in the house. How many, thinking I've heard wrong. No, 3 zero it is. Must have them stacked to the rafters, a disaster waiting to happen.
I curse my earlier cave-in. Damn I wish there really was a Mr. Peabody; I need to be Sherman about now. I tell her she bends the truth a lot; she admits she does, given her hard life, blah, blah, blah. Not that I'm unsympathetic to her life, it's just that most girls I've had the pleaure of enjoying are straight about things. So her excuses/rationalizations are just that.
Note: she did explain the 'money first'. Seems that she once went with a punter, trusted him, he gave her 700 up front, 300 to be delivered in the morning. She pulled her 7am departure; he was dead asleep, she couldn't wake him, so got shorted (I don't think she did, given her early departure...). So now it's money upfront.
6:30, I tell her to call her 'taxi', she does, and 30 minutes later, she's out the door.
First to admit, she has the looks, and a dazzling smile. Like she said, she has to smile all the time, whether she wants to or not. Did provide the GF (no E) experience - you know, when she's bitchy... Kicked myself for not being earlier - to the 'Snake or to calling some 'alternates'. Any of THOSE would have been fun choices. Should have checked Pixie from TGIT - nice, and so much fun... Also my laziness - for not hitting York, or not taking her back to the bar.
Well, the good side is, I now know what her experience with me is like. So it's like Apollo Creed told Rocky Balboa in Rocky 1: "Not going to be a rematch."
[QUOTE=Cons68]... organizes everything (ie. I can no longer easily find any of the cables, power supplies I need).[/QUOTE]LOL - know EXACTLY what you mean, and why I put the home office OFF LIMITS...
Last night, was all set to head out when I got a call from my favourite Filipina girl.
She wanted to come over, and to her, I don't say no.
Said she was with some friends trying to sort them out with cutomers and she would be over by around 2.
A long wait, but shes worth it.
Settled down to some gaming fun on the Xbox and waited.
02:30, no call from her.
Sent her a TXT: U still coming here?
A reply saying she had to go with a customer becuase one of the new girls was scared. Bummer! There goes my night.
Selfish sulking etc. Etc.
Anyway. This morning. Sent her message to check on her because for some reason my spider senses were tingling.
Reply: I am at CID office. Trouble baby.
Double Bummer!
When will these pigs lay off!
These girls are not even part of an organised ring. Just naive amateurs trying to earn some extra money to send back home.
Surely, if they are also targetting the small fish, the policia are serious about this cleanup.
Now I'm really worried about her and worse. This is the second time she has been busted so the consequences this time might be harsher for her.
Warning. Stay away from Ratsky till things cool down. Another friend reported that its now crawling with CID so consider it a red zone.
Also heard that they busted some guys leaving with the girls too so watch out.
For some reason, (I can't say where but they have the best band in Dubai), still seems very safe and the girls there are even a bit over confident that nothing will happen to them.
Times of Trouble.
Merry Xmas my ass.
Update.
6 girls busted.
4 customers also.
Girls look like they will be deprted.
The (sort of selfish) good news.
My girl is being let go because she was not actually with anyone at the time.
Just got involved cos one of her friends got pulled in.
They have let her go home.
I'm picking her up now and she will be staying with me for a few days as she is scared they will be watching their house.
This seems to be becoming a new trend thanks to the pigs.
Wankers.
Guess I will be eating Adobo, tapa and Lechon for the next few days.
Not too bad really.