Lisbon

Thank you.

The answer to all your questions about Catia Bom and services is a Yes! She's not fluent in English but can easily get by.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2749329]Thank you for that wealth of great information, especially about Catia Bom. I hope you don't mind a few follow-up questions.

There has been an information request for her on the local board for a while, so your review of her is particularly appreciated.

[URL]https://www.apartadox.com/Acompanhante-de-Luxo-Catia-Bom-6582[/URL]

I assume she speaks some English? There is a lot of demand here on ISG for young, attractive English-speaking independent escorts.

Catia lists Completo in her profile and more importantly wears an anal plug in her ad, so I assume she offers anal sex? And I assume she offers BBBJ as part of the session?

Marta Castro gets a lot of great reviews. If I recall correctly the poster Hawk didn't like her as well as he liked Aurora, so I stopped mentioning her as often in the upper echelon of EP providers, but many guys love her, and your high recommendation of her is very much appreciated. They can all differ in enthusiasm from day to day, so the averaging of many reviews is what is most important..[/QUOTE]

Most of my communication was via a foreign number. I sometimes get asked to share my live location on WhatsApp just to show that I'm actually in the country and genuinely making a booking.

My best piece of advice is steer clear of MulheresVIP!! Honestly, I'm still fuming at how they waste people's time without any consequences. Maybe it was mentioned before and I missed it but I do really wish I was warned before. The main issue with booking escorts in this lovely city is that there aren't any professional agencies that save everyone time, money and effort by flushing out all these fake profiles and crazy people.

I was genuinely worried a couple of times when making a booking and confirming my address and everything and then end up with a no show and not even an apology or explanation as to what happened or is going to happen. You will be left worried about booking someone else and the first booking rocking up 2 hrs late because they just do what they want here with no agency to regulate.

I am very thankful that I stumbled upon this forum because it does explain and help navigate around but yes I do have a chip on my shoulder about MulheresVIP as they advertise some genuine profiles with fake ones so they make you think they have real people.

Good luck and enjoy your stay. Stick with EP or Apartadox otherwise, you can't go wrong with elefante Branco but expect to pay an extra €50-100 (entry + drinks + taxi there and back).

[QUOTE=RandyGent;2748913]Thank you for all the useful reports and information on this forum. I'm visiting Lisbon soon and look forward to submitting some reports of my own. It's good to see that I can message Escort Privada in English. Do I need a local number (I. E. Local SIM card) or will they answer international numbers?[/QUOTE]

The real virtue of Lisbon in these terms is the plethora of independent, high quality courtesans charging below pan-European rates that can be visited incall and with a high degree of safety.

If one prefers to pay substantially more for the services of a club or to have a pimp / agency that could just as well send a rotten lemon to your door, well. A guy wants what a guy wants. But I believe that guy would be happier somewhere else.

I agree about MulheresVIP. The only sites worth referencing are Apartadox, Portalprivado, Momentosdeprazer, Docemassgem and Somassagens. Everything else is just way to untrustworthy.

Let me start with the fact that being a cheap bastard who mostly plays in Brazil, I wasn't looking for FS and didn't ask if it was available. I was, however, on my never-ending mission to find an elusive, mind-blowing tantric service. Most tantrics in my life were just glorified HJs. I've had exactly TWO real tantric massages in my life that landed me on the Moon: in Hamburg and Siem Reap of all places. But like a true sucker, I keep trying and trying to no avail.

Anyway, I didn't find it there either, but I got a pleasant erotic massage with a superb he. Quite expensive for 130 euro, but oh well. That's Europe.

Here are the rates.

Lingam in lingerie: 80 euro for 30 minutes.

"Sensitive" (whatever that means) topless: 100 for 40 minutes.

Tantric in the nude: 130 for 1 hour.

Nuru: 150 for 1 hour.

I chose Tantric. It was Sunday, and there were 2 girls working, Emma and Kira. Both are Brazilian. We made a 7 PM appointment (went with my buddy). I picked Emma. My buddy took Kira who was available, while Emma was late. She started with a nice light massage then turned me over and finished with a really superb HJ. While it wasn't tantric, it was good enough that I exploded all over the COT. She did short me by about 20 minutes, but I was satisfied and besides I didn't want my buddy to wait for me, so I didn't make an issue about it.

The place is quite upscale with showers in the room. The only thing not everyone will like is that there are cots on the floor instead of a bed or massage table. I had sent a WA message in Google Translate Portuguese, but the receptionist (a young girl who also looks awesome) speaks perfect English, so it's not necessary.

My buddy raved about Kira, and since we reunited at the reception at the same time, I guess, that one wasn't a clock-watcher. Both girls are beautiful with great bodies to match.

[URL]https://www.genuine-tantric.com/[/URL]

I'm glad you enjoyed the service. You say you weren't looking for FS as you are cheap but the irony is that you paid very close to the rate for FS. You paid 130 while FS with ladies from EP would have cost 150.

Also, I know you enjoyed the service but being short-changed by 20 minutes actually made it an even more expensive experience. Personally I would be really annoyed if I only got 40 minutes having paid for an hour (even if the service was good).

I actually visited this same place a few weeks ago but I thought I would be getting FS as well. I can't justify paying the same amount for a 'massage' as I would for FS so I'm only going to return to those places which are well reported as providing massage + FS. But I do enjoy an erotic massage so that's why these places also appeal to me.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2750095]Let me start with the fact that being a cheap bastard who mostly plays in Brazil, I wasn't looking for FS and didn't ask if it was available. I was, however, on my never-ending mission to find an elusive, mind-blowing tantric service.

Anyway, I didn't find it there either, but I got a pleasant erotic massage with a superb he. Quite expensive for 130 euro, but oh well. That's Europe.

Here are the rates.

Lingam in lingerie: 80 euro for 30 minutes.

"Sensitive" (whatever that means) topless: 100 for 40 minutes.

Tantric in the nude: 130 for 1 hour.[/QUOTE]

Most complaints about bad service or legitimately unreasonable expense can be addressed simply by doing some homework. The internet has been around for a quarter century. It's what this forum is for.

That we've never referenced Genuine Tantric and it is infrequently discussed on other boards should be seen as a yellow or red flag.

All that said, nuru massage without FS fills a certain niche, namely in that there is zero risk of bringing something home from it. For some fellows, that matters. It's easy to see why. If one is going that route, it's totally unreasonable to expect a steep discount against FS rates. If incall escorts are asking for 120 to 150, most massagistas want 100 to 130. They all confront the same. Overhead, so expecting a massagista to go for 80 an hour like it was 2015 isn't realistic.

We reference what going rates are here frequently, so the only excuse for not knowing them is laziness. All you need to do is skim four or five pages.

I think many guys on ISG underestimate the ability of full-service escorts to do tantric and to do quality hand jobs, including slow and sensual ones.

I think the best ones to choose are the highest rated escorts. Certainly the ones with an attitude of wanting to please, and ones accustomed to one-hour appointments with the guy cumming twice. A wide variety of service offerings is a plus, as well as CIM. If she specifically mentions sensual massage in her ad, that is a place (or if it is mentioned in a review).

Why? Because she knows a hell of a lot about sex.

She has had older customers who have trouble getting erect and who no longer have enough sensitivity to cum with a condom on. She has learned how to give them a great session and make them cum.

Once a guy is out of the teen and twenties, climaxing twice in an hour is more difficult. The escort has given plenty of hand job finishes for the second cum in an hour.

Escorting is a more difficult job than being a massage lady, and many massage ladies are lazy.

I mention the Nuru Spa in posts due to the never ending questions from guys who are so offended at the thought of treating a sex worker as a professional and making an appointment like every independent and agency escort requests.

But the best escorts know their way around a dick better than any massage lady. All the highest rated escorts, independent or EP, can do Tantric. The lower rated ones at EP would not be good choices. A person wants someone who has a reputation of staying the full hour and trying to please, and offering a second cum, since the second cum is often a tantric session even for younger guys.

Some girls are just better at hand jobs than others. I asked one escort why she is so much better at it than others and she said she learned how to vary her speeds. That is the essence of the tantric process.

[QUOTE=ExExpatriate;2750528]Most complaints about bad service or legitimately unreasonable expense can be addressed simply by doing some homework. The internet has been around for a quarter century. It's what this forum is for.

That we've never referenced Genuine Tantric and it is infrequently discussed on other boards should be seen as a yellow or red flag.

All that said, nuru massage without FS fills a certain niche, namely in that there is zero risk of bringing something home from it. For some fellows, that matters. It's easy to see why. If one is going that route, it's totally unreasonable to expect a steep discount against FS rates. If incall escorts are asking for 120 to 150, most massagistas want 100 to 130. They all confront the same. Overhead, so expecting a massagista to go for 80 an hour like it was 2015 isn't realistic..[/QUOTE]

Its definitely not their overheads which dictate that they need to charge 130+ for an hour (Nuru is 150-170 at many spa's). Their costs are not anywhere near that level.

I don't agree that it's reasonable paying the same amount for a Nuru massage as FS. You even touch on one of the reasons, namely that FS carries a risk.

However, customers are obviously willing to pay as the spa's must be getting enough business to justify the prices. Personally, I won't be returning to any spa at the above prices where there is no chance of FS.

[QUOTE=ExExpatriate;2750528]Most complaints about bad service or legitimately unreasonable expense can be addressed simply by doing some homework. The internet has been around for a quarter century. It's what this forum is for.

That we've never referenced Genuine Tantric and it is infrequently discussed on other boards should be seen as a yellow or red flag.

All that said, nuru massage without FS fills a certain niche, namely in that there is zero risk of bringing something home from it. For some fellows, that matters. It's easy to see why. If one is going that route, it's totally unreasonable to expect a steep discount against FS rates. If incall escorts are asking for 120 to 150, most massagistas want 100 to 130. They all confront the same. Overhead, so expecting a massagista to go for 80 an hour like it was 2015 isn't realistic.

We reference what going rates are here frequently, so the only excuse for not knowing them is laziness. All you need to do is skim four or five pages.[/QUOTE]

Hi, I know "elefante Branco" means literally white elephant in English.

What does it actually mean?

[QUOTE=YouFlat;2749956]
you can't go wrong with elefante Branco but expect to pay an extra 50-100 (entry + drinks + taxi there and back).[/QUOTE]

Rents in Lisbon, and in particular how they have risen faster than the rates these ladies charge, disagree with you.

Facts are stubborn things.

Your preferences are your preferences. Your tastes and your money. But a guy who admits he is willing to fork out the equivalent of one hour with an EP girl just to do the sex club thing really shouldn't be arguing costs with anybody.

[QUOTE=Harry1217;2750718]Its definitely not their overheads which dictate that they need to charge 130+ for an hour (Nuru is 150-170 at many spa's). Their costs are not anywhere near that level.

I don't agree that it's reasonable paying the same amount for a Nuru massage as FS. You even touch on one of the reasons, namely that FS carries a risk.

However, customers are obviously willing to pay as the spa's must be getting enough business to justify the prices. Personally, I won't be returning to any spa at the above prices where there is no chance of FS.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Harry1217;2750264]I'm glad you enjoyed the service. You say you weren't looking for FS as you are cheap but the irony is that you paid very close to the rate for FS. You paid 130 while FS with ladies from EP would have cost 150.[/QUOTE]Trust me, the irony isn't lost on me, LOL. But it wasn't a mongering trip, and I wasn't even thinking about doing it until I saw a flyer for Genuine Tantric Chiado. And all these words appealed to me.

Would I come back? Hell no, but I'm not terribly upset.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2750566]All the highest rated escorts, independent or EP, can do Tantric. The lower rated ones at EP would not be good choices. A person wants someone who has a reputation of staying the full hour and trying to please, and offering a second cum, since the second cum is often a tantric session even for younger guys.

Some girls are just better at hand jobs than others. I asked one escort why she is so much better at it than others and she said she learned how to vary her speeds. That is the essence of the tantric process.[/QUOTE]Interesting prospective! I would never thought of asking escorts to perform tantric.

It's more than changing speeds though. I would describe it as a long, sweet torture. I thought I'd had tantric a few times in my life until I had real tantric. And man, that's not just a hand job, that's something else entirely.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2750848]Trust me, the irony isn't lost on me, LOL. But it wasn't a mongering trip, and I wasn't even thinking about doing it until I saw a flyer for Genuine Tantric Chiado. And all these words appealed to me.

Would I come back? Hell no, but I'm not terribly upset.

Interesting prospective! I would never thought of asking escorts to perform tantric.

It's more than changing speeds though. I would describe it as a long, sweet torture. I thought I'd had tantric a few times in my life until I had real tantric. And man, that's not just a hand job, that's something else entirely.[/QUOTE]I know. I don't have the patience for true tantric, but one of my favorites in Montreal likes it and does it, and explained it to me. I was just using handjob techniques as a cousin, since the lady explaining her excellent handjob technique mentioned the same things about reading her customer and changing pace.

There are simply in every market a group of ladies who truly study sex and can do all the aspects of sex. Usually they will advertise tantric or sensual massage in some manner.

A practical problem with Lisbon is that sex cannot be sold at a massage parlor, although that sometimes happens. To make it clear that some type of erotic activity occurs, the place will often use words like Tantric, even though the ladies there might have no idea what that is, and certainly don't study sex.

Personally, I would look for ladies with a long history of excellent reviews, reviews that indicate they have done sessions of extended length, and advertisements mentioning tantric or sensual massage, or with respect to Eller, a background in massage prior to escorting. The four that meet the criteria are:

[URL]https://docemassagem.com/massagista/ines-3/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.apartadox.com/Massagista-Maju-Rossi-6890[/URL]

[URL]https://www.portalprivado.com/acompanhantes-de-luxo/escort-lisboa/acompanhantes-lisboa.php?acompanhante=879[/URL]

[URL]https://www.apartadox.com/Massagista-Joana-Montenegro-4360[/URL]

Facts are indeed stubborn things and basic mathematics would disagree with you. The lady at Genuine Tantric told me I was her 4th customer that day. It was the end of the day and probably her last. She said that was an average day. Sometimes less and sometimes more. She worked 3-4 days per week. A quick calculation tells you she is generating see. 8,000 per month, assuming 20 hours per week maximum and average rate of 130. Let's be clear. Overheads for each lady are a small fraction of these sums!

Also, my point was that I'm happy to fork out EP equivalent rates at spa's if they also include FS. As I said, I believe FS should be more expensive than massage for several reasons, not least that it carries more of a health risk for the lady. If others 'value' massage as highly as FS, so be it. I definitely don't.

[QUOTE=ExExpatriate;2750829]Rents in Lisbon, and in particular how they have risen faster than the rates these ladies charge, disagree with you.

Facts are stubborn things.

Your preferences are your preferences. Your tastes and your money. But a guy who admits he is willing to fork out the equivalent of one hour with an EP girl just to do the sex club thing really shouldn't be arguing costs with anybody.[/QUOTE]

Going to Lisbon in a few weeks and I've been messaging some girls on the site. I seem to be getting a very high response rate, a lot more than anywhere else. And the girls seem to know the exact process involved: Dinner and hotel after. Seems to be +- 200 Euro per meet.

Anyone else with similar experiences?

That was pretty much my experience. Basically it's a question of the format you want. If you value having an actual date, then maybe SA girls in Lisbon are for you. It's much more time intensive and somewhat more expensive, but if the date time is something you appreciate, then you are golden. I think the odds of winding up with a lemon for a lay are about the same as a blind incall escort.

My attitude when I was trying it is that, eh, if I didn't like her, I could always say no, leave her pissed off, and call an EP girl.

That is assuming that the 200 was if she comes back to your room with you. I was always very clear I reserved the right to say "no" just as she did. Otherwise, it's like an EP date you wish you could get out of, only longer and more expensive.

[QUOTE=Jbob084;2751141]Going to Lisbon in a few weeks and I've been messaging some girls on the site. I seem to be getting a very high response rate, a lot more than anywhere else. And the girls seem to know the exact process involved: Dinner and hotel after. Seems to be +- 200 Euro per meet.

Anyone else with similar experiences?[/QUOTE]