Dubai Reports

[QUOTE=11Bravo] Again, what I despise is the attitude "I paid, I can do anything I want" where that means infringing on her right to privacy by posting her photo on an internet site about prostitutes. Yes, she is one, without a doubt, but that's between you and her in the privacy of your room. [/QUOTE]

I dont think the fact that a guy posts a picture means he carries that attitude. Piper WR myself all post pics and I do not believe anyone of us mistreats or otherwise abuses the girls, in fact I would say the opposite is true. Next you will be asking that the photo thread is removed - watch Jackson's revenue decline after that.....

Saying the girls think the internet is for email only is naive, many of the girls I saw in Dubai were interested in using the link at my place for looking at RU sites and music sites. Maybe the Asians are different but I think not.

[QUOTE=My Kapitan]I dont think the fact that a guy posts a picture means he carries that attitude. Piper WR myself all post pics and I do not believe anyone of us mistreats or otherwise abuses the girls, in fact I would say the opposite is true.[/quote]If she agrees, with full knowledge, I have no problem with it. If she hasn't, then I do.

[QUOTE=My Kapitan]Saying the girls think the internet is for email only is naive, many of the girls I saw in Dubai were interested in using the link at my place for looking at RU sites and music sites. Maybe the Asians are different but I think not.[/QUOTE]My experience different. Some certainly knowledgeable, but most just e-mail or use the internet to call home. The concept there is a site about prostitutes, with photos, is unknown to most and most I know would NOT like their photo there. They don't even want their photos shown to other girls...

[QUOTE=11Bravo]I obviously wasn't clear - [/QUOTE]

Please do not take like that. The points raised here are very valid and I wanted to give my views on something I have been thinking for some time.

[QUOTE=11Bravo]
My feeling: how would the punter feel if his photo was posted on a site "Pays prostitutes for Sex"? Perhaps not what he'd like the family/neighbors/employer to see, huh?
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Being there done that: 9AM Monday news in Kansas... oh well. BTW the girls talk with each other. Believe me, they talk. What is different is that their words are not stored on a medium that is both permanent and universally accessible.

[QUOTE=11Bravo]
I have no trouble with reviews and FR's, for the very reasons you state. That's the purpose of this forum as far as I'm concerned - where to go, what the scene is, the lessons learned. I seriously doubt given the number of punters in dxb compared with the number of members here that a negative review could really damage someone's income, yet I too am careful of too much identifying info, unless she's an out-and-out ripoff. Just because she wasn't the greatest for me doesn't mean she wouldn't be someone else's best. Likewise, my best could be someone else's 'why bother' (the ole YMMV). I'd worry more about someone DEMANDING "You did this for him - do if for me."
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Well, that worry is VERY sensible. You agree a price and a menu. The price can depend on many things, some of them objective (timing, ratio of punters) but other are also very subjective (call me a moron but I think the girl may like you better than other candidates either because she knows you or because you took a shower less than 4 weeks ago). But by simply disclosing the price you could be revealing her reservation price. Just a reminder in many contracts buyers can not reveal the price.

And the menu is still more subjective. If she does anal with you she may not want to do it with other punter. Again, your concern is VERY relevant.

[QUOTE=11Bravo]If a girl saw one of my reviews, I'd have no problem with it. But like you say, it's really not for her, it's for other punters. I wouldn't show it to her, but I wouldn't squirm if she saw it either.
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When sitting in front of a keyboard we should always remember that what we write today will come back to haunt us in future. So we should try to write FR that even if it makes us uncomfortable to share with the provider at least it does not ashame us.

[QUOTE=11Bravo]Again, what I despise is the attitude "I paid, I can do anything I want" where that means infringing on her right to privacy by posting her photo on an internet site about prostitutes. Yes, she is one, without a doubt, but that's between you and her in the privacy of your room. I've yet to meet a girl who considered this her career, and once done here, most plan to go home, forget dxb, and try and live happily ever after. I hope they do.[/QUOTE]

We agree on this, but agreeing on principle is relatively easy. The devil is on the details and on how we find the equilibrium, always a very personal thing.

What I think it is behind this is that we can look at this hobby of us either as a commodity-based one where all buyers are charged the same for equivalent menu and quality or as a highly customized one where each deal depends the identity of the buyer and seller and probably both parties would agree to different terms with different players. And as punters of course we would like to get French cuisine at McDonalds prices... and of course from the girls perspective nothing better than McDonalds food at Nouvelle Cuisine prices :D

In my experience it always start as the first, with a deal purely on price and menu, and we all feel comfortable reporting about this but in a few cases it moves into something more personalized and then you may have some remorse about having disclosed certain information... Oh well, I am a little too philosophical. My apologies.

Just a quicky on the current debate about accidental or reckless identification of WGs by posting pics.

Whilst I have nothing clever to contribute to the philosophy of this debate, as a practical proposition it might be good for Jackson to clearly state the procedure for having pics removed after they are posted.

If Jackson were to provide the procedural advice we could then all review the pics we have posted and re-think whether we actually want the pics to remain accessible. The judgement must be a personal and mature one taken with integrity.

[QUOTE=Funfor Females] ... it might be good for Jackson to clearly state the procedure for having pics removed after they are posted.
[/QUOTE]It's already there. See "Photo removal policy" top left of screen on the main page in "Hotlinks". (I tried posting the link, but due to my proxy, no luck. Anway, it's easy to find).

[QUOTE=11Bravo]Why does everything have to be about personal gain? Since when is giving someone a head's up a bad thing?

After all[list][*]If you've received truly informed consent, then what's the problem - she knows.[*]If you haven't asked (explaining EXACTLY where it will be posted) and received permission, then why not? Afraid of the answer?[/list]What I think is ironic is that those who complain the most never show themselves in the photos. If it's not such a big deal to have her photo here, then why not the punter?

I lump people like you, as Wiseblood213 said, into the "I'm paying for it so she should'nt complain" types, the "I can do anything [b]I[/b] want", which, and let me be VERY clear, I despise.

I don't intend to save anyone, but I also don't exploit anyone either, outside of what they've agreed to. Myself, I stand by, and take responsibility for, my actions; I don't have to cry, "why, why, why?"[/QUOTE]

In the lingo they use back home Bravo..."You got me fucked up" translated into normal english it means you have me very misunderstood. I Don't think for one second just because a guy is paying for it he should be able abuse the girl and treat her less then any other woman he would on a date. I for one always try to hide the girls faces when I post. I let a Thai girl face be shown once about a year ago and I felt bad about it.

I think like you do that these women one day will want to lead normal lives and they have families and such who probably have no idea what their occupation is. All I am saying why tell the girl if you know her? What is the benefit of it? It causes unnecessary anxiety for all the parties involved. Lets not also forget what they do for a living and lets not forget the purpose of this site. Another damn thing don't lump me no where bruh. You know me and my mentality just about well as you know Noman Bates or any other colorful character you have never met...ease off the damn estrogen Brav.

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.................ease off the damn estrogen Brav.
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As reasonably mature thinking adults, some of us being ''very mature'', in my opinion we do not need the ''Moral Police'' to instruct us as to what we should and should not do here on ''our'' Forum.

Jackson runs the show, and very well too, there is a comprehensive set of rules regarding posts and that is all we need to abide by.

Yes, this is a Forum, a place for debate, information and posting of life experiences that may or may not be of benefit to other members.

What is it not is a site for the ''Moral Table Thumpers'' to excercise their minds in an attempt to ''Police the Show''.

Yes, we should continue to post views, discuss matters etc etc, but some of us are getting a little fed up of the continuos ''opinionations'' that are now following virtually every post.

In my opinion, the original post was a valid one, the member was merely informing us all of an occurrence regarding a Photo Post and relaying his view on the matter and how he felt, personally.

We can all relate to the matter and post our thoughts, but..........

Next as MK suggests the "Moral Police'' will be asking for the Photo Thread to be removed, then it will be ''Do not post any references to the club you picked the girl up in...just in case'' and so on...

Lets get it back to reality guys, yes these are 'normal' girls, yes they have families and friends who they do not wish know about their 'working life' but at the end of the day, they are doing what they do and we are the end product customers. The girls know the score, some may arrive naive, but it doesnt take long for them to learn the ropes, we all know that from experience with some very 'new to the game' girls we have had in the past.

I have taken lots of pictures, always with the girls permission, but I have never told them they may be posted on this site and I see no reason to ask to do it now, despite certain Senior Members 'telling me' that this is what I should do.

Thanks 11B, but NO THANKS, I will read the FR's and interpret them myself in future.

OK Yes, I have ''Sliced and Diced'', we can all do it, but not every bloody time!!!


Cheers, FF

"Sarcasm: the last refuge of modest and chaste-souled people when the privacy of their soul is coarsely and intrusively invaded."

-Фёдор Миха́йлович Достое́вский

[QUOTE=Sporadic]"Sarcasm: the last refuge of modest and chaste-souled people when the privacy of their soul is coarsely and intrusively invaded."

-Фёдор Миха́йлович Достое́вский[/QUOTE]



'There is no subject so old that something new cannot be said about it'.

"Blessed are those who go round in circles,
For they shall be known as wheels"

(Annon)

Stopped over in Dubai twice within a week recently and ahead of the trip I took a look around WSG to catch up on the scene. As I appreciate both the regular contributers and the one of visit reports I thought I should add a few words.

First night I went to York and got talking to a short, pretty Chinese girl with excellent English. It was all a little early though as I don't tend to like going with the first girl, but to see how the evening pans out and wantin more of a choice. Then you sometimes regret the one that got away ealier. You can't always win. Anyway, took her despite one or two pretty spectacular girls who came and went. She lived very close by (behind the 4 Points sheraton) and had a great little body but was pretty mechanical so not a great night.

Second night, again at York with the previous eperience in mind I messed about all evening before taking a blond Chinese girl I have had before. She was a real pro in the sack so I guess I was playing safe this time around. On the last occassion she stuck her finger up my arse - much to my suprise - and asked if I liked it. Not really I have to say. During sex she also talked like something out of a porn flick. I forget her name but you may regognise her if you have been with her by the fact that one breast is larger than the other. Her implants not being perfectly performed. She says she is having them both enlarged again on her next trip home!!

Final night I was just transitting Dubai and stayed at the Metropolitan. Straight to the bar and on a tight schedule and fell into conversation with a Chinese girl called Coco who I had also had once before. She was dressed like she is going to work at an office with a tight shirt and long fitted skirt. Very nice. This girl is the business. Really kissed me and made all the right noises before stripping us both. She gives the best BJ I've ever had and fucks very well, finishing by telling me to CIM.

I have to say it was the first time I've stayed at the Met and was very impressed. The girls in the bar simply say to go to the room and they will be up in 5 mins. They know another route up apparently.

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At last I can give also my contribution to the forum! I was in Dubai a few days ago and I really had a great time. Dubai is really a monger’s paradise. Too many options! I was there for 4 days and I achieved the following (First a short version with the overview and the long story follows):

1st night: Regal Rockafellas
Menu: CIS, PRCs. Quality: Many 6-7s, some 8-9s
I had chosen a quality 7 CIS.
Service: Just 5

2nd Evening: Visited a House with PRCs
Menu: 7 girls, quality 6-8
I had chosen a 7 with a nice breast and an 8
Service: 10+

3rd night: Hyatt Regency Premiere
Menu: CIS, PRC, Africans. Quality: Many 7s and some 9-10
I had chosen an absolute 10
Service: 10+++

4Th Evening: The girl from the premiere was too good. I called her to come again!

Now the long version:

1st night: Regal Rockafellas

I entered the club and got shocked in the beginning! It was really full of people and it was hard to move from one place to another. My first thought was that it would be difficult to realize which girls are interested to come with me. I had two fast drinks and relaxed in a corner. I was checking out the situation and I was thinking of my plan. After half an hour, I realized that it was not difficult at all to find the right one. I talked to a girl and we agreed to go to my hotel room. I was staying at the old 4P Sheraton Bur Dubai. When coming in, the security guy started to tell me something, but with a ten dollar bill, all explanations were not necessary!

We talked with the girl and after a lot of talking I took her to the bed. Service was not good. No BBBJ and after the first round she dressed up. I asked her if she wants to go and she said yes. I didn’t bother too much. I still had 3 nights and a lot to try.

2nd Evening: Visited a House with PRCs

I got the number from the expatriates site and gave them a call. She told me that she has 7 girls there from PRC and they could give me a massage for 100 DHS per hour. She also added that if I want something extra from the girls, I should give them a tip and they would do anything. I went there, got in and there were really 7 girls standing in a row, waiting for me to choose. I chose the two best and went to the room. If course it has nothing to do with massage salon (as I expected of course), as in the room there was only a bed and the girls asked me to remove my clothes immediately after entering the room. They told me that they would do anything for me, if I would give them 500 dhs to each. I agreed and they started to give me a BBBJ both together. It was a great service. The service included two shots, anal and also facecum. Want else would a man want?

3rd night: Hyatt Regency. Premiere

This place was also very full as I expected. I didn’t really like the layout, because it was just a big dancing floor and narrow corridors around it. Maybe later on, the people would all go to the dance floor (because the dance floor was empty when I got there) and it would be easier to move around. I talked to two girls and I didn’t get the body language response that they were willing to give me a good service. Finally I talked to a girl of a quality 10 and she gave me a good feeling that the service would be good. We went to the hotel with different taxis (she insisted on this) and I had excellent time. The service was so good, so I decided to tell her to come also earlier next evening!

4th Night: Great Night

I called the girl I met the night before and she cam at around 10. I had a great time till early in the morning, where I hat to go to the airport!

A foot note:

Personally I never bargain with the girls, because I want them to come with a good mood and give me a good service. I also never push any girl to do something she doesn’t want. I am always a gentleman and most of the times it works and I get excellent service.

A Wish:

I really hope that Dubai remains in this way, because I see a lot of reports about more controlling and girls being deported. It would be a pity to loose the fun of this perfect place.

[QUOTE=Cons68]We agree on this...[/QUOTE]We're on the same page...

[QUOTE=Piper1]See "Photo removal policy" top left of screen on the main page in "Hotlinks". (I tried posting the link, but due to my proxy, no luck. Anway, it's easy to find).[/QUOTE][url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-photoremovalpolicy.php[/url]

[QUOTE=Bpd81]you have me very misunderstood.[/quote]My mistake.

[QUOTE=Bpd81]All I am saying why tell the girl if you know her? What is the benefit of it? It causes unnecessary anxiety for all the parties involved[/QUOTE]Yes, it does cause anxiety, and that's unfortunate. However, there is the old cliche: fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

There's nothing she can do about the past, but future decisions can be made knowing the potential risks.

Well,

post coitum omne animal triste est, sive gallus et mulier

For the non latin speakers, all animal are sad after sex, except the cock and the woman...

Lets meditate about these wise words...

[QUOTE=Funfor Females]"Blessed are those who go round in circles,
For they shall be known as wheels"

(Annon)[/QUOTE]

[b]york, thursday, 10:15-10:45[/b]
no question on destination for tonight; hadn't been for awhile and wanted to see any effects of the le [i]predations[/i].

place crowded, but not overly so, especially for a thursday. prc's rep001tered to the left of the room, some cis to the right 'front'. africans intermixed, a number at the long bar. band sounding decent, except for the sound system - like being piped through water.

started on my recon circuit, quickly bumping into a stunner i've known for years. had planned on booking her friday night... she asked "why not tonight?" good question, but i deferred, as i wanted to make at least 1 full circuit. not that i'd find anyone better, but did want to see if miss sg was around. she wasn't, but did bump into a just returned relief-pitcher, a number i'll now return to the active list. a number of cute new faces around. not stunners, but very cute, and certainly potentials. (while waiting outside, a new stunner, with 'date', walked by - alone worth a return visit). btw: consruction has "moved", so easiest to enter york by staying on the shoemart side if coming from the direction of panarama.

made my way down the long bar side, looking like a horror film's gauntlet of outsretched, grasping black hands. i think it'd be a rather simple concept - if i'm interested, i'll stop; if i'm not, i won't. i am aware of my surroundings, and of who i pass; grabbing at me not appreciated.

back to the starting point, miss s there, why wait for tomorrow, and off we go.

just like goldilocks: 1st stunner too cold, 2nd stunner too short (time), but this one just right. eager and willingly partner, mutual enjoyment.

[b]summary[/b]
for me, anyway, rattlesnake has the edge in prc stunners, but york has the edge in "chorus" selection. slightly more cis at york, but then, i did depart before "rush" hour. more africans at york, but it is a bigger bar.

pleasantly surprised at a thursday night's selection, but then maybe some punters are burnt out by the long weekend, and it is getting towards the end of the month. glad to say number of familiar faces around. so while le continues, so also does business.