Lisbon

Yeah, agreed. Although I do think that the sex with a Seeking girl is completely different than with a regular escort.

The quality of girls on Seeking in Lisbon seem to be very high as well. Seems to be a lot of girl next door uni students. I wonder if it's just more acceptable in the culture there etc. Hence the easy game?

[QUOTE=ExExpatriate;2751273]That was pretty much my experience. Basically it's a question of the format you want. If you value having an actual date, then maybe SA girls in Lisbon are for you. It's much more time intensive and somewhat more expensive, but if the date time is something you appreciate, then you are golden. I think the odds of winding up with a lemon for a lay are about the same as a blind incall escort.

My attitude when I was trying it is that, eh, if I didn't like her, I could always say no, leave her pissed off, and call an EP girl.

That is assuming that the 200 was if she comes back to your room with you. I was always very clear I reserved the right to say "no" just as she did. Otherwise, it's like an EP date you wish you could get out of, only longer and more expensive.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jbob084;2751141]Going to Lisbon in a few weeks and I've been messaging some girls on the site. I seem to be getting a very high response rate, a lot more than anywhere else. And the girls seem to know the exact process involved: Dinner and hotel after. Seems to be +- 200 Euro per meet.

Anyone else with similar experiences?[/QUOTE]I just returned from Lisbon, yes, there is a high rate of response from SA girls in Lisbon as is the case from SA girls in Madrid and Barcelona, however, the asking rate in general seems to be 500 Euros and up (for a 9+), and it is not for the evening in my experience, but for an hour or two and most women who responded were very pretty but not from Portugal. A word of caution, make sure you have have a video chat with your prospective date I learned the hard way. I will write a detailed report on my experiences with SA in Spain on a new thread so.

Happy Hunting!

By in general, do you mean Madrid and Barcelona? I would expect those cities to be more expensive than Lisbon. They are bigger and Spain is wealthier.

It's been more than a year since I dabbled with SA. It doesn't work for me at present because when I am free over there comes in short, unplannable gaps. BUT, the going rate was 200 for a night out plus a couple of hours of fun back at the hotel.

Some girls had GPS and asked double or triple that. That was pretty stupid, given the scale of competition on SA plus the going rates of the escorts. A SB asking for slightly more than the going rate might offer something worth it, but one asking for 500... well, there are plenty of girls in Lisbon just as hot and just as engaging who will jump at half that. Moreover, 500 is almost enough to have two EP girls for two hours.

Like I wrote, the GPS is pretty dumb.

[QUOTE=Jbob084;2751287]Yeah, agreed. Although I do think that the sex with a Seeking girl is completely different than with a regular escort.

The quality of girls on Seeking in Lisbon seem to be very high as well. Seems to be a lot of girl next door uni students. I wonder if it's just more acceptable in the culture there etc. Hence the easy game?[/QUOTE]I think you have to keep in mind that Lisbon is a first world country with a high education level, and its primary source of immigrant sex workers (from Brazil) meet that same criteria since air travel is expensive. Jobs for young women do not always pay well, and escorting is a supplement.

The recommended ladies listed in the thread are almost entirely college students (some taking their sweet time about it, though), those with jobs in hospitality / retail, and a few who do it full-time but treat it as a profession with an emphasis on customer service. Many reviews include a discussion of the lady scheduling the sessions in between classes or her other job.

The Third World is full of sex workers who were simply not afforded the opportunity to have an education and have never been exposed to the everyday social situations that their well-heeled customers are accustomed to. So the difference between an SA lady and the lowest-end sex workers is quite pronounced. That would be much less so in Lisbon. Some of the locals in the other board enjoy identifying which local incall escorts slip on a nice dress from time to time and go to the White Elephant (or whatever the name of the club is to get the last customer of the evening). I strongly suspect a great number of SA women in Lisbon have escort ads under a different name. As I have mentioned before, numerous Montreal escorts do it, and it is repeated online when they tell their customers. Whether they intend for that to get repeated is another issue. Ladies in sex work are chameleons. The same lady may have different names, different outfits, and even different personalities depending on the customer, how much he is paying, and whether he takes her to an upscale social setting.

If ambiance and marketing makes it feel different for the customer, great. But from a cooking the food in the kitchen perspective in Lisbon, the ingredients all likely arrived at the restaurant from the same delivery truck.

Mongerer makes a good point. Many of these categories overlap. I spotted three recognizable escorts / massagistas during my dabbling in SA. Two were actively advertising on photo-verified sites at the time, and the third was .... well, since she was on SA, I think it best to describe her as semi-retired.

Thank you for this. I am interested in the 9+'s you mention but I didn't understand what SA girls mean. Is that a website? I think there were also other abbreviations mentioned like SB girls and GPS. Any idea what these abbreviations mean? Awaiting response with thanks.

[QUOTE=JohnCorey;2751445]I just returned from Lisbon, yes, there is a high rate of response from SA girls in Lisbon as is the case from SA girls in Madrid and Barcelona, however, the asking rate in general seems to be 500 Euros and up (for a 9+), and it is not for the evening in my experience, but for an hour or two and most women who responded were very pretty but not from Portugal. A word of caution, make sure you have have a video chat with your prospective date I learned the hard way. I will write a detailed report on my experiences with SA in Spain on a new thread so.

Happy Hunting![/QUOTE]

Sure.

SA: Seeking Arrangement.

SB: sugar baby.

GPS: golden pussy syndrome.

[QUOTE=YouFlat;2751614]Thank you for this. I am interested in the 9+'s you mention but I didn't understand what SA girls mean. Is that a website? I think there were also other abbreviations mentioned like SB girls and GPS. Any idea what these abbreviations mean? Awaiting response with thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YouFlat;2751614]Thank you for this. I am interested in the 9+'s you mention but I didn't understand what SA girls mean. Is that a website? I think there were also other abbreviations mentioned like SB girls and GPS. Any idea what these abbreviations mean? Awaiting response with thanks.[/QUOTE]ISG has a Seeking Arrangement thread if you want to read all about it. Yes, it is a website. You pay a fee to join and browse the ads.

My personal take, particularly as it relates to Lisbon, and Iberia as a whole.

1. Guys who like SA really like it. Like CrossFit enthusiasts, read it with a grain of salt. If you are among those who really like it, great. But keep in mind that there are many who don't.

2. When people say the sex is better from an SA lady, I am skeptical, particularly in a market where BBBJ, multiple pops of vaginal CFS, covered anal, and most traditional aspects of sexual foreplay are offered by escorts. In some situations where the lady views the process as being a quasi boyfriend / girlfriend relationship, there is greater likelihood of the sex including BBFS with SA, particularly if the lady traditionally does BBFS with boyfriends. Whether BBFS is of more positive interest, or instead of more safety and detrimental economic concern, varies from guy to guy. The biggest STD is a baby.

3. Personally, I think what people are really saying is that they enjoy the process better with SA in comparison to booking a more traditional escort (as opposed to the actual sex being better, excluding the BBFS aspect mentioned above). That isn't any different than some guys preferring FKKs and other meeting / interaction clubs over escorts. That is fine with me, but I think it is useful to differentiate the enjoyment component involving the time spent researching the selection of an escort online versus the time in the club, and separately evaluate the sixty seconds spent with the lady from each venue during which your penis thrusted into her vagina, anus, mouth or hand until you came.

4. On that same line of reasoning, I think it is useful to determine the enjoyment a guy obtains from a success in spite of the possibility of rejection. An SA experience is more like dating. There is not the absolute certainty of sex, and many of the guys who most like SA simply reject ladies who mention sex for money too soon after the conversation leaves the SA website (the discussion of sex for money is strictly forbidden on SA since the business arose and continues to operate in jurisdictions where prostitution is illegal). Here is where I compare it to games of chance at what are called State and County Fairs in the USA You might have the opportunity to throw a ball at certain levers and win a prize such as a stuffed animal, which if you are a male player, the stuffed animal is given to the female you desire to copulate with. The winning of the game is more fun in the view of the player if the possibility exists that he will not hit the levers with the ball, or if multiple paid attempts occur before success happens. The fact that the cost of playing the game multiple times exceeds the value of the stuffed animal is not relevant. The game of course is not made so difficult that success rarely occurs. Some people in the commercial sex arena simply like overcoming the possibility of failure.

5. As I mentioned in a previous post, if a person enjoys aspects of the SA process, there are some countries in which SA offers a unique advantage. If you enjoy dinner and intelligent conversation with a lady, many Third-World countries simply do not have many independent and agency escorts capable of fulfilling that desire, whereas SA is a major magnet for them. Mexico is a classic example. SA draws a great number of educated professional women who would otherwise be unavailable to Johns. This is less so in Portugal, but is still worthy of consideration. SA involves WhatsApp Messaging, including the possibility of video chatting, prior to an actual meeting. You can see if she speaks English and whether you like her. The constant exaggeration in escort ads makes that process frustrating. Among the ladies here on ISG who have received compliments about their English fluency and ability to provide enjoyable long-time interaction are Carolina Belmont, Joana Montenegro and Sara Valente. I am sure there are many more, I just mentioned them because they came to mind. But almost every EP profile and a good 75 percent of Apartadox ads list English as a language. If you enjoy booking a four to six hour session that includes dinner and walking around the city, in addition to sex, it is going to be awkward if you find that her English is limited to the word Hello.

6. An unanswered question that might be a long-term advantage to SA in first world countries is whether it is drawing the youngest talent. There is no question that the traditional escort world is seeing fewer entrants by ladies in their older teens and early twenties. Obviously, the hope is that women continue to enter the field in their later twenties and thirties, as opposed to a permanent supply chain interruption. Some theorize that the greater ability to reject customers, and the ability of a female offering her services can join SA for free, has drawn the younger ladies to SA as opposed to more traditional escorting that involves an upfront cost or a cost sharing arrangement with an agency. There is logic to that theory, but a great number of SA reports indicate the greatest enjoyment coming from meetings with women in the 25-40 year old range who are supplementing their income from other jobs and / or supporting children. So I am unconvinced that SA is where the youngest talent has gone. We may simply be going through a period where the 18-22 year olds that are willing to provide dedicated GFE are in worldwide shortage in the commercial sex arena.

[QUOTE=JohnCorey;2751445]I just returned from Lisbon, yes, there is a high rate of response from SA girls in Lisbon as is the case from SA girls in Madrid and Barcelona, however, the asking rate in general seems to be 500 Euros and up (for a 9+), and it is not for the evening in my experience, but for an hour or two and most women who responded were very pretty but not from Portugal. A word of caution, make sure you have have a video chat with your prospective date I learned the hard way. I will write a detailed report on my experiences with SA in Spain on a new thread so.

Happy Hunting![/QUOTE]If she is watching the clock, she is just there for the money. Just another SW who like to think she is better. Girls who are 9+ are rare. So, it does not matter how they are classified. Just go for it. Don't expect anything special.

[QUOTE=ExExpatriate;2751470]By in general, do you mean Madrid and Barcelona? I would expect those cities to be more expensive than Lisbon. They are bigger and Spain is wealthier.

It's been more than a year since I dabbled with SA. It doesn't work for me at present because when I am free over there comes in short, unplannable gaps. BUT, the going rate was 200 for a night out plus a couple of hours of fun back at the hotel.

Some girls had GPS and asked double or triple that. That was pretty stupid, given the scale of competition on SA plus the going rates of the escorts. A SB asking for slightly more than the going rate might offer something worth it, but one asking for 500... well, there are plenty of girls in Lisbon just as hot and just as engaging who will jump at half that. Moreover, 500 is almost enough to have two EP girls for two hours.

Like I wrote, the GPS is pretty dumb.[/QUOTE]The 500 rate came from a Nordic girl who had moved to Lisbon. I met her at the Skybar, for a drink as per our original arrangement she was smoking hot in her mid thirties so I could not resist, where I live IF I could get someone that hot it would run 3000-4000. I also met a French girl in her late 20's for 400 for an hour. It was definitely worth it. I have been going to Lisbon for 4 years, I have not come across any internet girls that match the two I met via SA. In the end it depends on each individual one man’s 9 could be the other’s 6, I prefer quality over quantity. Spain is another story, I did not indulge in any activities in Barcelona or Madrid as I did not see anyone that was as hot as Ona or Emma of Ok. There are a lot of scammers on SA, caveat emptor!

Hi,

I've been meeting this girl from EP for some time now. She's from Lisbon section on the site but I won't disclose here name. She always put on a condom before penetrative sex. Until last night when she slided it in raw.

It was after I made her cum few times in a row. She was dripping wet and I said something like how bad I wanted to feel her wet pussy on my dick. Anyways, I didn't last long and nutted in her. It was so good but it had me start worrying. Luckily she is on BC so I'm not worried about that thing. She told me she uses a condom with everyone else and that she is clean.

I want to continue meeting her but not sure about the unprotected sex thing. Does anyone here had a similar experience? That is girls from EP in particular that offer or agree to unprotected penetrative sex?

Hi,

I've been meeting this gorgeous girl from EP for some time now. She's from Lisbon section on the site but I won't disclose here name. She always takes care to put on a condom before penetrative sex. Until last night when she didn't.

It was after I made her cum few times in a row. She was dripping wet and I said something like how bad I wanted to feel her wet pussy on my dick. She then rode me raw. I didn't last long and nutted in her.

It was so good but it had me start worrying. Luckily she is on BC so I'm not worried too much about that thing. She told me she uses a condom with everyone else and that she is clean.

I want to continue meeting her but not sure about the unprotected sex thing. Does anyone here had a similar experience? That is, girls in general or from EP in particular that do unprotected penetrative sex?

Thanks.

One additional thought on Sseking.

From a standpoint of beauty preparation for the encounter and more importantly passionate sex, there can certainly be more incentive for her to up her game if she thinks there will be Long Game Rewards. A big part of Seeking is possible weekly or monthly continuing encounters. And just as relevant, the opportunity for a well traveled customer to fly her to vacation type date trips, at his expense of course.

A local European has a much better chance of pulling this off in Lisbon than an American. This meaning either actually doing it, or giving her the impression of this possibility. So she will possibly make a greater effort by taking a small or moderate chance of making a larger profit.

Of course the guy takes a greater risk of his own emotional attachment and unexpected depletion of resources. In the long game, he could end up paying way more than he ever dreamed possible. Sperm leaves the testicles quite efficiently, and desire goes down almost immediately. Love drains from the brain at a much slower pace. Of course you are the one in love, not her. And it might not just be her, it might be her dependents. It won't be cheesy like the Asian Water Buffalo in Hospital, please help. It is more likely to me Fido or Morris has early stage cancer and the vet says if the expensive surgery is done right way, it will be okay. But if not.

Females are the more intelligent and more conniving of the two genders. I think that is something to keep in mind. One of Seeking's advantages in the USA Is that it is perceived by users as being less likely to be pursued by law enforcement. I am not entirely sure that is true in comparison to independent escorts. But law enforcement is not an issue in Portugal.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2751770]ISG has a Seeking Arrangement thread if you want to read all about it. Yes, it is a website. You pay a fee to join and browse the ads.

My personal take, particularly as it relates to Lisbon, and Iberia as a whole.

1. Guys who like SA really like it. Like CrossFit enthusiasts, read it with a grain of salt. If you are among those who really like it, great. But keep in mind that there are many who don't.

2. When people say the sex is better from an SA lady, I am skeptical, particularly in a market where BBBJ, multiple pops of vaginal CFS, covered anal, and most traditional aspects of sexual foreplay are offered by escorts. In some situations where the lady views the process as being a quasi boyfriend / girlfriend relationship, there is greater likelihood of the sex including BBFS with SA, particularly if the lady traditionally does BBFS with boyfriends. Whether BBFS is of more positive interest, or instead of more safety and detrimental economic concern, varies from guy to guy. The biggest STD is a baby..[/QUOTE]

Hi, new user and first time visiting Lisbon. I'll be here for the next month.

Been reading various post and it has been helpful in getting myself adjusted to the sex scene here.

Aside from the advertised escort. I want to approach a prostitute in person. Are there more popular area or bars, pubs, or clubs that one can find them?

TIA.

[QUOTE=FalconStar;2752119]Hi, new user and first time visiting Lisbon. I'll be here for the next month.

Been reading various post and it has been helpful in getting myself adjusted to the sex scene here.

Aside from the advertised escort. I want to approach a prostitute in person. Are there more popular area or bars, pubs, or clubs that one can find them?

TIA.[/QUOTE]Hi FalconStar,

You can try White Elephant (Elefante Branco), lots of working girls of different varieties hang out there, and you can chat with them, negotiate, and take to your hotel. Please note, that entrance ticket there is 50 EUR (and you get two drinks), when you take the girl to hotel you usually have to pay for her drink too. I just give 25 EUR to the barmen (without the drink), and he seemed to be OK with it.