Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[QUOTE=Paulie97;3070823]I've seen the claims here about 500,000 Iraqi children dying from US sanctions and around 40,000 Venezuelan deaths from sanctions pop up here as whataboutisms before. Both numbers have been thoroughly debunked by later research. For Iraq, post 2003 surveys found no big sustained rise in child mortality during the sanctions period. The original 1999 UNICEF figure was heavily manipulated by Saddam's govt. Key paper is Dyson and Cetorelli in BMJ Global Health.

For Venezuela, the bulk of the humanitarian collapse and excess deaths happened before the 2017 sanctions. Brookings had a good piece on how these earlier numbers overstated the sanctions' role.

Happy to share the links if anyone's interested.

[URL]https://gh.bmj.com/content/2/2/e000311[/URL]

[URL]https://www.lse.ac.uk/news/latest-news-from-lse/iraqi-government-misreported-child-mortality-lse-research-finds[/URL]

[URL]https://www.brookings.edu/articles/revisiting-the-evidence-impact-of-the-2017-sanctions-on-venezuela/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.brookings.edu/articles/chavismo-is-the-worst-of-all-sanctions-the-evidence-behind-the-humanitarian-catastrophe-in-venezuela/[/URL][/QUOTE]Okay the sad truth is just unfortunate.

Given the name of thread and to revitalize it a bit, here is an excerpt from today's Ukrainian press: "Famous Ukrainian blogger and tarot reader, finalist of the "Battle of Psychics", Maria Tykha, claimed that she "strapon fucked" one of the Ukrainian ministers. According to her, she was offered 30 thousand dollars for this type of sex. Tykha also claims that one of the representatives of Ukraine's political elite suggested that she "perform a brown shower on him."

[QUOTE=Questner;3071451]Given the name of thread and to revitalize it a bit, here is an excerpt from today's Ukrainian press: "Famous Ukrainian blogger and tarot reader, finalist of the "Battle of Psychics", Maria Tykha, claimed that she "strapon fucked" one of the Ukrainian ministers. According to her, she was offered 30 thousand dollars for this type of sex. Tykha also claims that one of the representatives of Ukraine's political elite suggested that she "perform a brown shower on him."[/QUOTE]What does it change about war criminal, dictator Putin attacked Ukraine on beginning of 2022 when nobody threatened huge Russia, after he didn't respect what he signed for Crimea. This must be more important than hardcore sexual fantasy. I think Putin has Trump photos with prostitutes in Moscow, while his first election?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2979392]I cannot believe you still want to talk about this. It is fine to criticize a study for its methodology if the results are way out of line with others and to criticize the funding source, but they were not. [URL]https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099[/URL](20) 30244-9/ fulltext.

For example, some countries are able to invest resources into contact tracing and containing the spread through quarantine and isolation of infected or suspected cases. In Singapore, where these measures have been implemented, the CFR of 631 cases (as of March 25,2020) is 03%.

The trend in mortality reporting for COVID-19 has been typical for emerging infectious diseases. The case fatality rate (CFR) was reported to be 15% (six of 41 patients) in the initial period,1 but this estimate was calculated from a small cohort of hospitalised patients. Subsequently, with more data emerging, the CFR decreased to between 43% and 110%,2,3 and later to 34%. 4 The rate reported outside China in February was even lower (04%; two of 464). 5.

I cannot believe how dumb you are then. You are quoting numbers when there was not proper screening of the whole population to see how many people had been infected with Covid and thinking those early values were real. And this lancet paper was from July 2020. Do you know how to read?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2979392]I cannot believe you still want to talk about this. It is fine to criticize a study for its methodology if the results are way out of line with others and to criticize the funding source, but they were not. [URL]https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099[/URL](20) 30244-9/ fulltext.

For example, some countries are able to invest resources into contact tracing and containing the spread through quarantine and isolation of infected or suspected cases. In Singapore, where these measures have been implemented, the CFR of 631 cases (as of March 25,2020) is 03%.

The trend in mortality reporting for COVID-19 has been typical for emerging infectious diseases. The case fatality rate (CFR) was reported to be 15% (six of 41 patients) in the initial period,1 but this estimate was calculated from a small cohort of hospitalised patients. Subsequently, with more data emerging, the CFR decreased to between 43% and 110%,2,3 and later to 34%. 4 The rate reported outside China in February was even lower (04%; two of 464). 5.

I cannot believe how dumb you are then. You are quoting numbers when there was not proper screening of the whole population to see how many people had been infected with Covid and thinking those early values were real. And this lancet paper was from July 2020. Do you know how to read?[/QUOTE]Well since Questner wanted to refresh the thread, I was recently looking through a couple of old posts I missed and decided a couple of replies would be fun.

Elvis the guy is your source, not mine. You're quoting an economist with an MD who never completed a residency to lecture on epidemiology, while carrying an obvious bias and lowballing the fatality rate? You might want to check your own clown make up before calling anyone else dumb.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2979439] Ok fine, here is a quote from your POS paper. "In terms of COVID-19 related deaths, red and blue states in 2020 did not differ significantly" and "COVID-19 deaths in 2020 did not significantly correlate with mitigation efforts. " [/QUOTE]So the paper that tossed you a bone is a POS? It's tough to have it both ways. They were correct on that point but missed the nuance. Deaths were higher in blue states in early 2020 because of spread in urban areas, but higher in red states later in the year likely with weak mitigation efforts as a real factor. Regardless, the effectiveness of masks and social distancing isn't measured when compliance is weak, no matter the voting patterns.

Here's a point you persistently dodge, and likely will continue to do so, why aren't you insisting that doctors and nurses stop wearing masks in hospitals since you are convinced that they do not work? Folks remember this, the strongest points like this one are always the ones that are completely ignored.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2979439] Meta analysis after the Covid epidemic showed none of the interventions you swore by worked. [URL]https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full[/URL]. [/QUOTE]This is BS. The results were inconclusive.

[URL]https://www.cochrane.org/about-us/news/statement-physical-interventions-interrupt-or-reduce-spread-respiratory-viruses-review[/URL]

What is clear is that Sweden with it's much more liberal approach to mitigation efforts had much higher pre-vaccine death rates than their logistically and culturally similar Nordic neighbors. So what do you want to do with that, make a beeline for Peru again? LOL Non-compliance and crowded households were the obvious problems there.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2979439] Zelensky, you need any more money?[/QUOTE]That guy has balls a slippery keyboard weasel like you can only dream about.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2979439]But 2021 is the year of the vaccinated, and blue states had more vaccinated people than red states. This from your study, "In terms of COVID-19 related deaths, red and blue states in 2020 did not differ significantly. COVID-19 deaths in 2021, however, were significantly less in blue compared to red states. ".See Elvis? Suck it, we Dems were way smarter than you Republican retards. That is science baby. Uh, well.[/QUOTE]Yea, in this most rare case that you get around to making a concession, we must really be onto something.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2979439]If you use the same lame analysis as the fools in your paper did, the vaccine was killing people in the UK under 60.

Then you get to Germany, and the same pattern emerges. [URL]https://dailysceptic.org/2023/02/12/the-link-between-german-excess-mortality-and-the-covid-vaccines/?highlight=covid[/URL]. [/QUOTE]Daily Skeptic, really? I guess we're all lucky the link doesn't work. Why no Zero Hedge? LOL.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2979439]From the beginning of April 2021 onwards the start of the vaccination campaign excess mortality suddenly increases continuously up to the youngest age groups and the number of stillbirths is increasing. Nine months later, a massive and sustained decrease in live births is observed. [/QUOTE]When did 3% become "massive?" LOL This is a correlation equals causation fallacy. While this even if true lags well behind the excess deaths caused by selfish and irresponsible behavior in red states. A Yale study found no correlation between vaccines and still births.

[URL]https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/study-finds-no-association-between-covid-19-vaccines-and-stillbirths/[/URL]

In fact getting Covid while pregnant increased the risk of still births. Also the increased infant mortality in 2022 followed racial and socio-economic lines consistent with people less likely to get the vaccine.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2979439]The risk of death from Covid for 70 year olds is about two orders of magnitude greater than that for 30 year olds, and is about three orders of magnitude greater than that for 20 year olds. This means you need to vaccinate about a thousand 20 year olds to save the same number of lives as vaccinating one 70 year old. For 20 year olds who've already had Covid, it's probably closer to a million. [/QUOTE]The primary purpose of vaccinating young people was to protect others.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2979439]Uh, why the fuck would anyone as of today be stupid enough to defend vaccinating young men, women of child bearing age, and the absolute most fucking stupid, pregnant women? Not looking good, Paulie. At best, you dumb Democratic douches were saving a few fossils while bumping off newborns. [/QUOTE]This is more pure distortion from you. The data never showed vaccines were "bumping off newborns. " In fact studies consistently found the opposite: pregnant women who got vaccinated had lower rates of stillbirth and preterm birth than unvaccinated ones. Getting Covid during pregnancy was the real factor for complications, not the vaccine.

Vaccinating younger people wasn't just about "protecting fossils. " The vaccine cut transmission rates which reduced spread to high risk groups and kept hospitals from collapsing. "Save one grandma, kill a baby. " That framing is pure distortion.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2979439]As for the UK data, like with the red and blue state analysis, in 2021, there is a clear showing of decreased death in the elderly being vaccinated. Okay, Elvis, that is it. We lowered the death rate. Yeah, problem is you did not dive deeper. One paper did and concluded that based on the UK data, you cannot say that the vaccines prevent death, even in the elderly. As to why, there is this, [URL]https://www.normanfenton.com/post/simple-evidence-showing-the-ons-data-on-mortality-by-vaccine-status-is-systemically-flawedNotice[/URL] What could possibly explain a 60% increase in non-covid deaths in 2022 among the unvaccinated and a 5% drop in non-covid deaths among the vaccinated? If the vaccine worked, there should be a lot more deaths in the unvaccinated group when there was a Covid spike, and there was not. There should also be a similar number of non-Covid deaths in the vaccinated and unvaccinated, and once again, there was not.

[URL]https://www.researchgate.net/publication/357778435_Official_mortality_data_for_England_suggest_systematic_miscategorisation_of_vaccine_status_and_uncertain_effectiveness_of_Covid-19_vaccination[/URL] At first glance the ONS data suggest that, in each of the older age groups, all-cause mortality is lower in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. This conclusion is cast into doubt upon closer inspection of the data due to a range of fundamental inconsistencies and anomalies in the data. [/QUOTE]Okay, so when the heat is on, don't run to Peru. Let's run to the UK. That ONS data has been heavily criticized by statisticians, including the Office for Statistics Regulation for exactly this reason. The categories are messed up by classification. When people got vaccinated there was often a delay in updating the system, thus if they died during those few weeks after the shot they were counted as unvaccinated. Also healthier people were more likely to get vaccinated.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2979439]So which is the bigger Democratic douche fuckup, Covid or Ukraine? [/QUOTE]Well you've been consistently reminded that many many Repubs from day one have signed off on aid for Ukraine, yet you still call it a Democrat war. Are you forgetful or just dishonest? Why are you so slow to criticize Putin?

As to what we can file under completely ignored, we have:

1. Elvis cannot tell us why he isn't criticizing doctors and nurses for wearing masks in hospital settings. Since in his mind they do not work, it's a complete waste of time and resources while sacrificing comfort.

2. Also Elvis has ignored all the data that demonstrates that Covid-19 was much more deadly than the flu and common cold.

This sentence in my first paragraph prior post should read as follows:

Death rates were higher in blue states in early 2020 because of spread in urban areas, but higher in red states later in the year likely with weak mitigation efforts as a real factor.

Deaths is replaced with death rates.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;3071839]So the paper that tossed you a bone is a POS? It's tough to have it both ways. They were correct on that point but missed the nuance. Deaths were higher in blue states in early 2020 because of spread in urban areas, but higher in red states later in the year likely with weak mitigation efforts as a real factor. Regardless, the effectiveness of masks and social distancing isn't measured when compliance is weak, no matter the voting patterns.

Here's a point you persistently dodge, and likely will continue to do so, why aren't you insisting that doctors and nurses stop wearing masks in hospitals since you are convinced that they do not work? Folks remember this, the strongest points like this one are always the ones that are completely ignored.

This is BS. The results were inconclusive..[/QUOTE]There is a lot to be learned here.

Why don't Ukraine babes get to Thailand and become escorts? They'd be making bank while enjoying beaches and getting away from war. It's a no brainer.

I guess they'd rather be nearby like in Germany or the Czech Republic, but plenty of guys would be wanting to pay for some blonde pussy in Thailand, not that Thai pussy is bad, but variety is the spice of life after all.

Ukraine has hardly any interceptor missiles. The last few strikes on Kiev have seen zero interception. But hey, as long as Ukraine strikes civilian targets like beaches and Wildberries, it means Ukraine is winning right? This is a death sentence for Ukraine. The illegal president of Ukraine thinks he can escalate. Let him. The Russians will destroy Ukraine, and I mean destroy it. And that is an enormous tragedy. Just imagine if the EU / USA had not staged that coup in 2014. Crimea would be part of Ukraine. Donbas would be part of Ukraine. There would be no war.

No war, in case UA would not have trusted the lies of USA, RF, GB regarding their territorial integrity, when releasing the atomic weapons for destruction.

They should have kept the warheads; then no aggression by Putler.

[QUOTE=NewtonYork;3078026]Why don't Ukraine babes get to Thailand and become escorts? They'd be making bank while enjoying beaches and getting away from war. It's a no brainer.

I guess they'd rather be nearby like in Germany or the Czech Republic, but plenty of guys would be wanting to pay for some blonde pussy in Thailand, not that Thai pussy is bad, but variety is the spice of life after all.[/QUOTE]A lot of German men have been wifing up beautiful Eastern European women for a long time now.

A hot Ukrainian woman has a shot at a comfortable life with the right European man.

But you're right. Why not enjoy a year-long stay in Thailand?

I would say Thai escorts are so inexpensive and abundant. I'm not sure if it's worthwhile competing with them.

[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;3078466]No war, in case UA would not have trusted the lies of USA, RF, GB regarding their territorial integrity, when releasing the atomic weapons for destruction.

They should have kept the warheads; then no aggression by Putler.[/QUOTE]This I agree with. But in all fairness, those nukes belonged to the SU and Russia was the inheritor, which is why Belarus, Kazakhstan, etc also returned the nukes to the rightful owner, which was Russia.

[QUOTE]This I agree with. But in all fairness, those nukes belonged to the SU and Russia was the inheritor, which is why Belarus, Kazakhstan, etc also returned the nukes to the rightful owner, which was Russia.[/QUOTE]The memoranda, signed in Patria Hall at the Budapest Congress Center with US Ambassador Donald M. Blinken amongst others in attendance, prohibited Russia, the United States, and the United Kingdom from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, "except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations". As a result of the memorandum and other agreements, between 1993 and 1996, Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons.

Why was this agreement necessary for the "inheritor", then?

May be, Kazakhstan now is afraid, of Putler, too.

UA had the tech, not the money, though, at that time, to deploy the warheads with missiles, built in UA. Like the ones, which were intended to be stationed on Cuba.

No need for Russian controls. Only the fissible material of the warheads was required for UA.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;3078455]Ukraine has hardly any interceptor missiles. The last few strikes on Kiev have seen zero interception. But hey, as long as Ukraine strikes civilian targets like beaches and Wildberries, it means Ukraine is winning right? This is a death sentence for Ukraine. The illegal president of Ukraine thinks he can escalate. Let him. The Russians will destroy Ukraine, and I mean destroy it. And that is an enormous tragedy. Just imagine if the EU / USA had not staged that coup in 2014. Crimea would be part of Ukraine. Donbas would be part of Ukraine. There would be no war.[/QUOTE]Zelensky is not illegal according to Ukrainian constitution and despite corruption, Ukrainians know he has balls since more than 4 years versus war criminal and dictator Putin. Incredible how Ukraine is resisting versus big powerful Russia of Putin who loves deaths.

It would've been wise for Ukraine to have stayed neutral like Austria. But the EU and the collective west made sure that didn't happen, and now you have the death of Ukraine in front of you. Funny thing is, Ukraine will never ever join NATO.