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[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2277194]Do an advanced search. For KeyWord Type: Spasso Hyatt.

Rates for ST are between 4,000 and 6,000 baht. I have never paid more than 5,000 not including a tip for above average service. I have always tipped my Spasso FL's. That should tell you what kind of service I have had in the past. It is very good. Girls are never in a hurry to split, but never pay in advance. No need to buy a girl a drink unless you want to. They have already bought a drink to gain admission and are nursing it for the night. Live Band on Thurs, Fri and Sat nights. The average age is around 30 something. That is the only negative as far as I am concerned although I enjoy a 30 something girl once in a while as long as she is still put together nicely. It is like they try harder because they know. 555.[/QUOTE]How is the Russian / CIS talent pool there? Similar pricing or more expensive?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2277299]I looked it up. I like "cute," wholesome looking, yet naughty girl next door types. Used to see a lot of them in AC. Fresh off the bus. Baby back home with their mother.[/QUOTE]I like the girl next door; if I live next door to a brothel.

In regards to my report on the girl at Billboards and the mamasan quoting me two different prices for short time (2000 quote by the girl and 3000 quote by the mamasan), I was told by a friend that the entire payment including the 700 barfine is due upfront when taking a girl out of Billboards. And that payment for short time is 3000. Still not certain why the girl quoted me 2000 for short time, though.

I am not sure if this is true (paying everything upfront) but if it is then it's a non-starter for me. I saw several guys in business shirt attire in there so maybe they can pay this amount as part of their per diem but I am not in that category.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2277496]In regards to my report on the girl at Billboards and the mamasan quoting me two different prices for short time (2000 quote by the girl and 3000 quote by the mamasan), I was told by a friend that the entire payment including the 700 barfine is due upfront when taking a girl out of Billboards. And that payment for short time is 3000. Still not certain why the girl quoted me 2000 for short time, though.

I am not sure if this is true (paying everything upfront) but if it is then it's a non-starter for me. I saw several guys in business shirt attire in there so maybe they can pay this amount as part of their per diem but I am not in that category.[/QUOTE]The mamasan at Billboard is extremely pushy crook and a tries all kinds of scams if she believes you are a newbie. These include ordering one lady drink for the price of two (drink and mixer are served and charged separately), pushing you aggressively for tips and drinks for herself, quoting inflated prices and demanding upfront payment for the ladies. Just say firmly no. Once she sees that you know how things work, she will leave you alone and look for another "victim". It is really a pain but the place has a very decent selection on stare, so it is worth the hassle. Just make sure you never pay for the girl's service in the bar in advance!

[QUOTE=Marky1;2276005]what's the excuse for these young Koreans chasing Issan hookers their own age?[/QUOTE]Young Koreans chasing young Issan hookers? Are you really asking this?

[QUOTE=Marky1;2276537]I can't really follow what you're saying. Did you mean to say that more westerners have more money, but less westerners have a lot of money?

It doesn't make any sense.

A lot of these China man, Korean, Japanese sex tourists are in the prime of their working lives. If they can find the money for a $130 short time I don't think I'd classify them as rich.

Many of the East Asian sex tourists don't exactly dress and carry themselves like covert multi-millionaires. Often sandals, cheap t-shirt, cheap man purse around their shoulder. Even the Japanese expats with the standard issue white business shirt, black slacks, just look like regular salary men to me.[/QUOTE]Being from silicon valley, it's tough to judge anyone's income by how they dress. It's t-shirt, jeans, flannels, and maybe a button up dressed techies, but there are a lot of hundred thousandaires if you will; maybe millionaires in the bunch. I wouldn't wear my Panerai going down Walking Street.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2276235]I'm not so sure about that theory.

GDP per capita is as follows:

blah blah blah

The average Chinaman or Korean will generally have less money than the average Westerner.[/QUOTE]This means nothing. No one is pulling a sample from each of those countries directly. The sample size comes from a smaller sub sample of people from a country who are traveling sex tourists. Which leads to, let's go by reality and make salient points rather than drop a rather pointless GDP list. Go into many of the popular bars, and you'll see Japanese and Korean writing. The guys coming from these countries are prepared to spend more money. They represent a different group of people who have higher incomes than the average or not so average person from their home countries. The middle class of these and other countries like China and India is expanding which brings in many more different types of sex tourists. A lot of the older ex-pats have been priced out whether due to inflation or the price of their home country currency being weak against the baht. That old fat cracker white guy who used to be able to sit with a bar girl for a while is now the one counting his pennies. The subject is who's willing to spend more money per transaction at a bar in Thailand. The subject is NOT which country has better spending power. There is a different as complicated as it may be to you.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2277496]In regards to my report on the girl at Billboards and the mamasan quoting me two different prices for short time (2000 quote by the girl and 3000 quote by the mamasan), I was told by a friend that the entire payment including the 700 barfine is due upfront when taking a girl out of Billboards. And that payment for short time is 3000. Still not certain why the girl quoted me 2000 for short time, though.

I am not sure if this is true (paying everything upfront) but if it is then it's a non-starter for me. I saw several guys in business shirt attire in there so maybe they can pay this amount as part of their per diem but I am not in that category.[/QUOTE]No it's not. I've never paid everything up front at Billboards (or anywhere else).

Has anyone had any experience recently with Gulliver's? It used to be a pretty chill place for pool and food, where the FLs would hang out, with no pressure at all. I used to hang there about 10 years ago, and found one sexy little Cambodian who ended up being a little bit of a regular. If I was peckish, I'd swing by Gulliver's, have a fish and chips and beer, followed by a Cambodian sammich. Anyway, it used to be pretty cool, and I'm thinking of swinging by on my next trip. Any recent experience?

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2277712]Has anyone had any experience recently with Gulliver's? It used to be a pretty chill place for pool and food, where the FLs would hang out, with no pressure at all. I used to hang there about 10 years ago, and found one sexy little Cambodian who ended up being a little bit of a regular. If I was peckish, I'd swing by Gulliver's, have a fish and chips and beer, followed by a Cambodian sammich. Anyway, it used to be pretty cool, and I'm thinking of swinging by on my next trip. Any recent experience?[/QUOTE]When in Bangkok I use Guillivers for food and play pool.

Nowadays there are a number of girls around the bar sitting and watching the entrance (reed looking for business) but not anymore as 10 years ago.

If I am early (around 8 PM) you can find a empty pooltable in the back where you can play more rounds because it's not busy by that time.

Watch careful the ladies that use the bathroom and if you are lucky it easy to make contact and invite here over (for some rounds of pool. If chemistry is there more is possible too). Another trick is also that 3 girls play at one table and you can invite the cutest on your table. But after 10 PM its full of Arab people (and girls who looks for business).

[QUOTE=IMembr;2277673]Young Koreans chasing young Issan hookers? Are you really asking this?[/QUOTE]Old farang chase Issan girls because every woman is supposedly fat and overbearing back home.

What's the excuse for a young Korean man. Young Korean women are good looking (they make good hookers the world over). These young wealthy Koreans don't need to be in Angeles City bars at 10 am.

[QUOTE=IMembr;2277677]Being from silicon valley, it's tough to judge anyone's income by how they dress. It's t-shirt, jeans, flannels, and maybe a button up dressed techies, but there are a lot of hundred thousandaires if you will; maybe millionaires in the bunch. I wouldn't wear my Panerai going down Walking Street.[/QUOTE]Silicon Valley is a subset of American culture (which is unique and unusual compared to Asia especially). We're talking about Chinamen, Korean, Japanese. They're from societies where status, face, wealth are extremely important. They don't miss an opportunity to rub wealth in someone's face. Without other information, I'm going to guess that the Asian sex tourist in his $5 t-shirt from Phuket, flip flops, cheap man bag he picked up along Sukhumvit wrapped around his shoulder has far less money than the white guy with the $50 t-shirt, $200 jeans.

[QUOTE=IMembr;2277677]This means nothing. No one is pulling a sample from each of those countries directly. The sample size comes from a smaller sub sample of people from a country who are traveling sex tourists. Which leads to, let's go by reality and make salient points rather than drop a rather pointless GDP list. Go into many of the popular bars, and you'll see Japanese and Korean writing. The guys coming from these countries are prepared to spend more money. They represent a different group of people who have higher incomes than the average or not so average person from their home countries. The middle class of these and other countries like China and India is expanding which brings in many more different types of sex tourists. A lot of the older ex-pats have been priced out whether due to inflation or the price of their home country currency being weak against the baht. That old fat cracker white guy who used to be able to sit with a bar girl for a while is now the one counting his pennies. The subject is who's willing to spend more money per transaction at a bar in Thailand. The subject is NOT which country has better spending power. There is a different as complicated as it may be to you.[/QUOTE]This is the whole point. It's old white retirees on fixed incomes complaining about the increase in prices, bars being less fun. They're competing against Chinamen, Koreans in the prime of their working lives.

A young man in the prime of his working life should have far more disposable income than a retiree who doesn't know whether he needs to stretch his money for 5 years or 20 years.

White retirees trying to make their money stretch for 20 years is not reflective of middle-class disposable income in Western countries.

[QUOTE=IMembr;2277673]Young Koreans chasing young Issan hookers? Are you really asking this?[/QUOTE]LOL Agree, the girls in the Gogos that North Asians favour are the opposite of Issan.

Since so many Japanese tourists are visiting Thailand for mongering, yet the Japanese mongering industry is virtually closed off to foreigners, I was wondering if it might be possible to experience fzoku in Bangkok instead?

From what I've read here 7-Heaven seems similar to a 'pink salon' (BJ parlor). Doki Doki and Mitu Massage have been described as quite similar to the Japanese experience as per soaplands and nuru. There are plenty of soaplands in Thailand of course. Does anyone know how they compare to Japanese soaplands?

Which are the gogos that specifically cater for Japanese? I realise that the girls there are only up for a Japanese client who they can charge excessive baht for a quick bang, but I figure I could go there just for eye candy, then move on to more Western-friendly climes.

What about hostess clubs? Would they be cheaper here in Bangkok? Do you have to be part of a group?

How about cosplay? I can't find anything similar to the image clubs, but some massage places claim to offer dress-up and roleplay. Kiss Massage and Bangkok Passion, etc. Or should I try Thanon Thaniya for this kind of thing?

Where do the high end agency escorts hangout when not doing bookings for their agencies? Specifically the bangkokgold ladies. Agency work is very low these days and I know many of them try to get extra work at clubs. I have met a couple in the past at the Suhkumvit Hilton lounge. Now that I am single again after 4 years, that location seems to have dried up.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2277712]Has anyone had any experience recently with Gulliver's? It used to be a pretty chill place for pool and food, where the FLs would hang out, with no pressure at all. I used to hang there about 10 years ago, and found one sexy little Cambodian who ended up being a little bit of a regular. If I was peckish, I'd swing by Gulliver's, have a fish and chips and beer, followed by a Cambodian sammich. Anyway, it used to be pretty cool, and I'm thinking of swinging by on my next trip. Any recent experience?[/QUOTE]A few years ago it was great. Now it is part of the "Arab quarter". Which keeps moving towards the higher numbered Soi's. A totally different feel now compared to before.

RL.