Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2293717]I believe the above Sections are all about loitering in a public place in order to engage in prostitution, advertising for it, publicly promoting it, "pimping" for it and so on but not about the act of prostitution itself. So the girls standing in front of the Nana Hotel parking lot will scatter or vanish when the police show up to check for visa violations or age violations in the Plaza because they can be busted for standing in front of the Nana Hotel parking lot soliciting for prostitution. However, there does not appear to me to be any reason for them to worry about being busted for the actual exchange of sex for money (or for the customer giving them money for sex) in a customer's hotel room or apartment.
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[/QUOTE]Good analysis I think. I think it is all about Thailand cleaning up its "image", so about what blatant things are out in the open offending some tourists and bible bashers.

Thailand has to have the image of being non sex trafficking so a huge emphasis on under the age girls, and Foreign girls (not Thai citizens).

What goes on behind closed doors can still be very raunchy. I have done girls in all categories except for the Lady Boys don't interest me. I need real pussy. I was never that keen on Nataree before it was closed, as always had the feeling the girls might not be there of free will. Not many great passionate girls met there and many were clueless about how to make good sex.

Never will we see that day that girls cannot sell sex, in Thailand in practical terms. Even the Thai politicians have been known to visit their hookers or 2nd wives.

Was a slow night at Thermae tonight. Not many clients, and a higher farang to Asian ratio than usual. In fact, four farangs formed a circle talking to each and drinking beer flat in the middle of the walking lane.

(blocking everything).

Idiots. Would have loved to see that tactic last night.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2293515]I was walking through Soi Cowboy last night about 9:15 PM and, lo and behold, the new "Crazy House 2" bar at the corner of Soi 23 was open for business! Except it isn't called "Crazy House 2". It is called Kozy Kazy. Whatever that means. And we thought the Crazy House/Crazy Horse confusion was annoying.

...[/QUOTE]After a second look I see I was the first poster here to add to the annoying confusion over the name of this bar. It is [B]Kazy Kozy[/B], not Kozy Kazy.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2294089]Good analysis I think. I think it is all about Thailand cleaning up its "image", so about what blatant things are out in the open offending some tourists and bible bashers.

Thailand has to have the image of being non sex trafficking so a huge emphasis on under the age girls, and Foreign girls (not Thai citizens).

What goes on behind closed doors can still be very raunchy. I have done girls in all categories except for the Lady Boys don't interest me. I need real pussy. I was never that keen on Nataree before it was closed, as always had the feeling the girls might not be there of free will. Not many great passionate girls met there and many were clueless about how to make good sex.

Never will we see that day that girls cannot sell sex, in Thailand in practical terms. Even the Thai politicians have been known to visit their hookers or 2nd wives.[/QUOTE]Yes, those Sections in the Thai Criminal Code come very close to stating prostitution is illegal without ever actually saying so (for a provider over age 18) and that is why the debate about it often pops up I think. They are only talking about promoting it openly, publicly. And also that paying money for sex with a girl (person) under the age of 18 is illegal.

The age part of it is also where the age of consent in Thailand gets muddy. As far as I can tell, the age of consent in Thailand is 15, not 18, but sources might disagree or be unclear about it. HOWEVER, if an offer of money is made to someone 15, 16 or 17 years old in exchange for sex then the Sections regarding prostitution are clear that a crime has been committed. It seems to accept that engaging in sex with someone 15, 16 or 17 is not in itself illegal, only if done in exchange for money. But it does not explicitly say so.

I had a brief stop over, yes one night in Bangkok!

I echo what's already been said, the go-go bars in Soi Cowboy are a waste of time, making money from entry fees and high drink prices. No character, no charm. Avoid IMHO. Similarly, the bars with girls in are all set up for the same. Bar fine, lady drinks etc It's all about the transaction and the one shot and back in the bar.

After a bit of aimless wondering around I stepped into Soi 7, there were tuk-tuk bars and a bunch of African ladies milling about. About halfway down there's a pub called Beer Garden. It's quite big and open, but a little dated. Oh and no actual garden, there is beer though! Anyway, there's no entry fee, a beer is just 85 bht, no loud music and a bunch of free lancers. Mostly 5's and MILFs but enough 6's and 7's to make it worth it. There are no lady drinks and no pressure. You sit and chat (music is not loud) and really get to know the ladies. Quite refreshing for Bangkok! Long story short, I picked up a MILF (40 yrs, but in good condition, looked 30) and she offered to take me on a bit of a tour around Soi 4, some pool and some dancing. It was more like a date, she offered to come back with me for 2,000 bht, I countered with 1,500 and she accepted (it was a slow Sunday night). Service and attitude were great and she stayed until morning. No rush at all. If it wasn't for this chance encounter, I would have dismissed Bangkok altogether.

I think if we can all support places like the Beer Garden, the stock will get better over time and cut out the middle man that just serves to take money without good service.

[QUOTE=Catire;2294211]Was a slow night at Thermae tonight. Not many clients, and a higher farang to Asian ratio than usual. In fact, four farangs formed a circle talking to each and drinking beer flat in the middle of the walking lane.

(blocking everything).

Idiots. Would have loved to see that tactic last night.[/QUOTE]Thermae used to be my main hangout for years, up until 2006. I averaged 4 nights a week there. We still go in there as a group occasionally and we stand in a circle and talk where ever we can find some space. Sometimes gals get annoyed that we are blocking their site lines, but hey, we are paying customers and they are not. We've had a few get lippy, with us and we get lippy (in Thai) right back, but they usually shut their yappers when the wait staff who we have known for 20 years come over to talk to us. And hey, the Asian dudes will walk around you. Wonder how hard it would be to get them to reverse course? We find the entire scene quite comical. In many ways it is even more the Star Wars bar now than it was in the early 00's. Some of the worst dressed dudes you will ever see. We have nicknames for some of the regulars! But it's always a hoot. And it can be fun to watch the gals work. Personally I have not pulled from there in over 10 years and wouldn't.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2294430]
The age part of it is also where the age of consent in Thailand gets muddy. As far as I can tell, the age of consent in Thailand is 15, not 18, but sources might disagree or be unclear about it. HOWEVER, if an offer of money is made to someone 15, 16 or 17 years old in exchange for sex then the Sections regarding prostitution are clear that a crime has been committed. It seems to accept that engaging in sex with someone 15, 16 or 17 is not in itself illegal, only if done in exchange for money. But it does not explicitly say so.[/QUOTE]Most of us here for many years will have done some girl less than 18 quite accidentally without having a clue how old she was. So extra care maybe needed depending on the source of the girl. In odd case I found out later that girl was younger than I thought (seemed fully mature to me), but was always the case she wanted it. Amazing high tits with zero sag can be a clue a girl is not that aged yet.

What particularly tricked me was that mothers could still be under 18, with some tit sag and certainly a well used pussy, and not allowed to sell sex, legally. So no way to support the baby. Seems a little unfair these girls are discriminated against, yet no one stopped them from getting pregnant and having a baby with the father no where to be seen to give support.

I don't discriminate about girls by their age myself. If they are hot and look good (not under developed children at all), I don't care what the age is, except for being supposed to make sure they are 18. All my favourites are far above 18, some nearly 40, but meet a new girl, its hard to be sure. I don't think I ever fucked a girl over 50 to my knowledge, but again we don't always know.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2293515]I was walking through Soi Cowboy last night about 9:15 PM and, lo and behold, the new "Crazy House 2" bar at the corner of Soi 23 was open for business! Except it isn't called "Crazy House 2". It is called Kozy Kazy. Whatever that means. And we thought the Crazy House/Crazy Horse confusion was annoying.
[/QUOTE]Long time rumoured to be coming and I presume has replaced Old Dutch, whose lease finally expired. Never liked their food really. Could be wrong but that is what was on the Cowboy side of Crazy House, that might have been available.

Nah, who cares what the name is, as long as we can get it right. Ha ha. Not easy. Thais could easily spell a name wrong! Crazy House was easy, no confusion there.

I was always amazed how few guys could quote the MP "Can Cam" correctly. But short for Candid Camera. If I can sort out any meaning behind the CH2 name, and how pronounced, I will post later. Probably have a look tonight, why not? Interesting to see if they have stupid Coyotes or not, Pretty nudes or not? Or no business as yet. Music okay Or woeful?

Over history, bars have not always been able to choose or change names as they please. Legal reasons concerning the official name on the lease apparently. This has caused some bars to have more than one name I think. Isn't Long Gun also called "Lone Star"? Suzie Wong is still called Suzie Wong despite being taken over by the Baccarat chain. Five Star remains Five Star despite take over by Crazy also.

Guys,

I have chased tail in Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Czech Republic, and all over Hungary. I know the lay of the land there but not here.

Met a 36 year old good looking nice bodied gal today on Tinder and she and I spent 90 minutes at my hotel. She came to me and we went through all the positions, had a great time, and talked a lot about her life. She just moved back from a failed business and divorce in Singapore, but is Thai.

She was somewhat shy throughout, except for the act and then she was a horny women, and at the end left it open to what I should pay. I ended up giving her 3,000 Baht. She was very happy. Did I overpay or was I in the ballpark? I am staying at The Peninsula so that was working against me.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=SteveW;2294473]I had a brief stop over, yes one night in Bangkok!

I think if we can all support places like the Beer Garden, the stock will get better over time and cut out the middle man that just serves to take money without good service.[/QUOTE]Biergarden on Soi 7 has been around forever. It can be called a Bangkok institution.

However, the area around it has changed and the clientele in the area has changed. 20 years ago Biergarden was home to the old farangs who still made up a sizeable chunk of the tourist and expat population on lower Suhmuvit.

They have now been completely replaced by a much younger crowd (both expat and tourist) and a higher spending crowd, with businesses and girls catering to this new population.

Biergarden was always a late afternoon / early evening "option" on the Bangkok buffet, staffed with older / less desirable women (though I suppose a gem can always still be found).

Haven't been there in ages, so I have no idea how business is these days.

Anyways, I don't think any "drive" on this board will really help Biergarden one way or the other. If you want to cut out the middle man, you can use social media (to an extent), but don't expect significantly lower prices. The girls still take the prevailing prices (not all that different than at a gogo)

[QUOTE=Catire;2294600]Anyways, I don't think any "drive" on this board will really help Biergarden one way or the other. [/QUOTE]Yes never was a Bier Garten customer Soi 7 and will be hard to entice me unless the standard improved a lot. Probably every year I take a peak at this venue or once in two years, and yet to be impressed ever. Maybe an acceptable girl with a customer already on occasions.

Different guys have very made up minds about where can find talent and where we cannot, and we all disagree, somewhat. Will be hard to shake me from wanting to see girls very scantily clad before taking the risk, unless they are extremely hot and pretty, and very good price. I hate well covered up girls. I like to be fairly sure what is the body I am getting, very difficult with push up bras on.

I have a set of regular girls of a high standard for me, in fun, enthusiasm and looks. I don't like to drop that standard.

One girl I know says she gets more business standing on Soi 4, because she is hotter than the normal girls there, so does not waste her time at Beer Garden. It is probably true that girls who want low time wastage would not be there.

Hi all,

As always, thanks to the regulars for being a constant source of entertainment, information and annoyance.

Unfortunately I was only in Bangkok for 3 days, so didn't get a chance to sample much beyond my immediate surroundings.

BJ Bars:

Wood Bar: 1 k, reasonably attractive girls and allows you to do a lineup of all the girls rather than the way some just have the girl whose turn it is follow you inside. Whilst I'm sure at others you can always ask, I'm a creature of societal politeness, and unless she's really ugly, tend not to. I like being offered a lineup without having to ask for it. Stalls upstairs are a little dated but I'm not there for the ambience, and they're not disgusting. I picked Stacey who was reasonably attractive, 30 odd and a skilled provider. Also kinda crazy but in a cute way! Would return if I had more time.

Duang Porn Heaven: I think it was 800, but tbh I was quite drunk and I don't remember much apart from lacklustre older girls and dated furnishings. When walking in I made contact with a girl whose name I can't remember. I think she was the cutest, wore big glasses. Gave good service. Wouldn't go back any time soon.

7 Heaven: Pricier, but for a reason. The girls are young and hot, or at least seemed so on the iPad. (how you select the girls). There's also more foreplay, they'll kiss your nipples and neck etc. It's a nice experience, worth the 1. 3 k if you're a 3 day trillionaire like me. The rooms are standard massage rooms. No full service available here, and costs extra for girls to be nude, COF, 69 etc. But it is nicely arranged on a menu so there's no confusion! After checking the photos on the website I think I took Nan but can't be 100% sure. She gave good service, although, like all the above girls, never went beyond halfway (I'm slightly above average at 6.5', but probably slightly below average in girth).

Apparently if you come within the first 10 minutes the girl will try and make you come again. Not sure how likely this would be considering there's at least 5 minutes of foreplay then 5 minutes of light stimulation.

Massage:

I only went to Doki Doki, which lived up to expectations. I took the 90 minute options for 3.5 k and was with Nana (again, you pick off an iPad. Pics seemed to match) who I'm conflicted about. On one hand she gave great service, with good BBJ, rimming, toe sucking, long massage and full service, but it was quite transactional. She had a big Bush if that's a turn off for anyone, but I assume that is standard being that this is a Japanese place. She also wouldn't allow doggy, saying I was too big, which unfortunately seemed to be a trend on this trip.

Saying that, I would highly recommend the shop. Seems the girls are trained well, they have their routines down pat and you'll cum at least once. I probably could've come during the initial 'tromboning' but held off. I'm 99% sure she would've kept massaging me and got me hard again if I had.

Overall, a good experience, and I would return if I had more time, but probably choose a different girl.

Gogo reviews to come.

[QUOTE=SteveW;2294473]I had a brief stop over, yes one night in Bangkok!

I echo what's already been said, the go-go bars in Soi Cowboy are a waste of time, making money from entry fees and high drink prices. No character, no charm. Avoid IMHO. Similarly, the bars with girls in are all set up for the same. Bar fine, lady drinks etc It's all about the transaction and the one shot and back in the bar.

After a bit of aimless wondering around I stepped into Soi 7, there were tuk-tuk bars and a bunch of African ladies milling about. About halfway down there's a pub called Beer Garden. It's quite big and open, but a little dated. Oh and no actual garden, there is beer though! Anyway, there's no entry fee, a beer is just 85 bht, no loud music and a bunch of free lancers. Mostly 5's and MILFs but enough 6's and 7's to make it worth it. There are no lady drinks and no pressure. You sit and chat (music is not loud) and really get to know the ladies. Quite refreshing for Bangkok! Long story short, I picked up a MILF (40 yrs, but in good condition, looked 30) and she offered to take me on a bit of a tour around Soi 4, some pool and some dancing. It was more like a date, she offered to come back with me for 2,000 bht, I countered with 1,500 and she accepted (it was a slow Sunday night). Service and attitude were great and she stayed until morning. No rush at all. If it wasn't for this chance encounter, I would have dismissed Bangkok altogether.

I think if we can all support places like the Beer Garden, the stock will get better over time and cut out the middle man that just serves to take money without good service.[/QUOTE]I can understand you my friend. More freelancers bars in Bangkok would be great. I truly miss something like Billabong in LK Metro, Pattaya. I would suggest you try Country Road in Soi Cowboy. They have a few girls there connected to they bar, but they can be barfined. Quality is a little better than Beer Garden soi 7 and you get live rock if you are into that. It is probably a bit harsh to call go-go's a "middle man" since they will offer dancing girls for you to oogle, some dance naked, some performe a show etc. So there is something added to the experience, if you are into it. Quality of girls are generally better than what you will find in Beer Garden. But the glaring car alarm music is what often keep me away. Would be better with more variation on the bars. Last week I was sipping peacefully on a beer around 6 pm outside entrance to Penny Black in Soi Cowboy. Sat with a girl working in one of the go-go's. A couple of guys that I thought were watch-sellers caught my attention. They had no watches with them. Only big waist bags. The girl called them "bank" - or at least that is how I interpreted it. She told me they offer short term loans to the girls working in the bars, staff, the food vendors etc. With very high interest rates. They look like Indians or Pakistani. They tried to get in contact with a girl inside Five Start bar, obviously looking for a repayment of a small loan. They were stopped by the doorman and was not allowed inside. This was new info to me, but such things you can learn when observing in the late evening / early night. Is this activity legal in Thailand or is it sort of "grey bank market" ?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2294591]Long time rumoured to be coming and I presume has replaced Old Dutch, whose lease finally expired. Never liked their food really. Could be wrong but that is what was on the Cowboy side of Crazy House, that might have been available.

Nah, who cares what the name is, as long as we can get it right. Ha ha. Not easy. Thais could easily spell a name wrong! Crazy House was easy, no confusion there.

I was always amazed how few guys could quote the MP "Can Cam" correctly. But short for Candid Camera. If I can sort out any meaning behind the CH2 name, and how pronounced, I will post later. Probably have a look tonight, why not? Interesting to see if they have stupid Coyotes or not, Pretty nudes or not? Or no business as yet. Music okay Or woeful?

Over history, bars have not always been able to choose or change names as they please. Legal reasons concerning the official name on the lease apparently. This has caused some bars to have more than one name I think. Isn't Long Gun also called "Lone Star"? Suzie Wong is still called Suzie Wong despite being taken over by the Baccarat chain. Five Star remains Five Star despite take over by Crazy also.[/QUOTE]Nope Long Gun was actually "Lucky Star".

All hopes of checking the music at Kazy Kozy were dashed pretty quick. Wasn't interesting enough to stay that long. Not at all similar to the early days at Crazy House. "Kazy" looks like "Crazy" spelled rather strange, and Kozy is like (Cozy or Cosy) the upstairs part. Upstairs is rumoured to become like penny Black Upstairs with a bit of a Karaoke club. Downstairs had about 5 girls dancing at 8 pm, all in pink leather look outfits like cowgirls with no hats. Far too over dressed for me. The lighting was poor flashing lights, but overall too dark for me. Looked in Five Star. Plenty of naked dancers but only one real hottie in the slim category (face not quite for me). The real hottie that 5 Star used to have that I took a couple of times is gone. A Farang is looking after her now. No big surprise. She had a good face and fabulous tight curvy body, tight pussy, no flaws and was a cooperative fuck, although not at all passionate. Great doggy with her was memorable. One older girl in 5 Star had a good face, but had apparently paid 100K (by the gossip) for a rather ordinary pair of small coconut like implants. Not impressed at all. Waste of good money I reckon. Can't they get a teardrop job at 100K? Maybe they were just too new and have not dropped a bit yet.

Crazy House has very few really pretty girls these days if we take the face. A few good naked bodies. So saw some nice ass and pussy. That's it. Not close to Crazy 5 years ago when it opened. The waitress wanted me to take her. Her face is okay (one of the better ones) but of course I never got to check out her body. So no deal. Maybe I can buy her a drink and feel her up next time to see if the body is okay I can't see anything wrong, but clothes on makes it hard. Never really tried to check out her ass and tits before. I wonder why she doesn't dance if she wants to go with customer.

I see another Ladyboy bar has opened next to Doll House. Shit even very few girls out the front of bars looked good to me. The Cowboy is dying gradually I think. Okay One girl in front of Long Gun looked cute. I could check her out another day.

Meanwhile I can just try to get my ex Crazy girl now doing studies, or get my Sharks girls for private meetings. The bars are getting even more boring than they used to be.

Recently stupidly missed a great opportunity at the Red Cross. Fancied a tall girl their getting her results, a lot. At first slightly concerned if was a Ladyboy as I think about 5 foot 9 in flat flip flops. Still some Udon girls are like that. Nothing was masculine about her including small jaw and good cheek bones upturned nose.
I was ready to go home so went out to get a motorcycle taxi and she was talking to the motorcycle driver. No deal so I got the motorcycle instead. Turned out she had wanted to go to Silom but did not have sufficient money, the motorcycle guy tells me because I asked about if she was a real girl. I missed a fantastic chance to pay for her ride, and give my phone number in case her need for funds became more pressing. I could have brazenly asked her problem when she walked away from the motorcycle. Dumb ass! Way better natural looks than the Cowboy girls I saw tonight, or so it seemed at the time.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2294608]Yes never was a Bier Garten customer Soi 7 and will be hard to entice me unless the standard improved a lot. Probably every year I take a peak at this venue or once in two years, and yet to be impressed ever. Maybe an acceptable girl with a customer already on occasions.
...[/QUOTE]I hadn't gone to Beer Garden Soi 7 to check out a possible P4P lady in at least a year because my success rate in scoring a required True GFE (for me that is either BBFS+CIP or a BBBJ+CIM) with an attractive lady in there has been 0 for 25 or so attempts in the 6-7 years I have lived less than a 15 minute walk from the place. By "attempts" I mean around 22 chats about it in the bar and 3 "go with the flow" take outs where not one of the three wound up producing a pleasant surprise outcome in my room. Missions aborted. I paid the full 1000-1500 baht anyway since I had not specified what I needed before leaving with them. Actually, one did agree in the bar to a BBBJ+CIM but in the room she converted it into a HJ with some oral foreplay thrown in so I suppose we could say she is the one who aborted that mission, not me.

But I happened to pop in just for the hell of it about two weeks ago and DID sit next to one of those rare attractive late 30's year old ladies that can sometimes be found there. Bought her a drink, chatted and kept her laughing with banter for about 30 minutes, learned all about her family, kids, needs.

Got to the particulars for what it would take for me to agree to walk out with her and pay her some greatly needed baht and, true to form for me, this Beer Garden Soi 7 lady became #26 on the "No and No" side of the score card. LOL.

Weird place for me. I just can't seem to find an attractive lady in there who will agree to provide EITHER of those (for me) True GFEs for any amount of money. Well, I have never offered some ridiculous amount of baht. But no lady there has so much as asked "How much you pay me?" in response to the topic so there was no reason to vary from the assumed going rates. I might have offered more than 1500-2000 baht just to break the curse. But it never even went there in the bar discussion.

By contrast, I have taken 2 different go-go dancers from 2 different Soi Cowboy bars in the past couple of weeks, can easily succeed with most Nana Plaza go-go dancers I approach any week, all agreeing upfront in the bar to BBFS+CIP (once they agree to that I don't even bring up the BBBJ+CIM option).

Sure, the going rate for the go-go girls is 2-3 times the going rate for Beer Garden Soi 7 ladies. But they are also much younger and much hotter than any of the Beer Garden Soi 7 ladies who said "No and No" to me over the years.

No great loss. I just find the difference in my success rate between over the hill Beer Garden Soi 7 ladies perched on barstools and slim, early 20's hot go-go dancers to be curious. My rate of success with younger and better looking Thermae girls is far better than with Beer Garden Soi 7 ladies!