2006 Bangkok Reports

I discovered this China northern region of Dalian, Chingdao, Shengyang, Harbin ect about 2-3 years ago. I was very surprised by the incredible beauty and elegance of girls in this northern China regions. There are so much girls available there pay or free, be patient. I started my China monger from putting a finger in a hole to taxi drivers in Dalian. I surely paid my tuitions and after a few trips and some Chinese language studies, I am getting lots of student freebies from even department stores. Of course the age and look and personality do matter in this case.

For beginners, stick with pubs and discos with freelancers, this is easiest way, many of them are so beautiful and with very nice personality as well. The freelancers will make some eye contacts with you if she is working. Also tons of saunas, but this is trickier with beginners, and also have tons of karaokes and also a bit difficult for beginners, but if you can stay a bit longer, you can try to venture into the local scenes. I did this by hiring a local guide at first, of course I paid my tuitions with him, but after a few times, I get to know the scenes.

Again if you are younger and look okay, China is perfect for freebies. I have tried so many times try to talk to very cute girls on the streets and department stores, I would say half of the times the reaction is very good, and I have score so many girls that are looking for foreign friends or want to hang out with foregners in this way. Most of them are students or are studying English. This freebie scene is something Thailand absolutely missing.

Had a first-time experience last night- my cab got stopped by two young cops on a motorbike just outside the entrance to my building (off of Thonglor). I was told to get out and was searched. They were pretty friendly about it, especially after I got them talking about football (they asked me where I was and I told them I was out watching footie- my Thai is not great but functional, which also seemed to put them at ease). Still, they went through my wallet (in full view) and all my pockets (neglecting my shirt, oddly enough), and patted me down. I was concerned about having contraband planted on me. As I said, they weren't at all hostile and in the end sent me on my way with a smile. Somewhat disconcerting all the same, having been entirely without provocation on my or the cabbie's part (they checked his docs, too). There seemed to be a major police presence on the streets last night- they were out in force around Hualongpong and Chinatown, where I had been earlier. I wonder what's up.

I realize this is not a unique experience and may have just been happenstance (bored cops?), but thought I'd post this just the same. I've been taking long trips to Thailand for 15 years, and have been more or less based here for two, but up to now have had virtually no interaction with the cops. Curious if such incidents are on the rise.

Heading to Bangkok in April, and while 95% of my fun is anticipated to be with lovely SE Asian women, I am wanting to know if there are any places where I could hook-up with an east indian or middle eastern lady SP? Never had one at I think Bangkok or pattaya will be the closest I will be be to that part of the world

While i come to Bangkok every month, i have not been doing any exploring for quite a while. (I travel between London and Beijing via Bangkok – one day my US boss will work out this is not such an efficient way to travel between those two cities, but the air fares are low so i suppose he would not really care) This time i got stuck in Bangkok for 6 days because i could not get a flight back to merry old England, so i decided to allocate a few days exploring the bar scene rather than spending all my time with my regular friend.
Patpong – Took a quick look around but the only place which seemed ok was the old regular Kings Castle, next to Super Pussy up on the Surawong Rd side. Its reasonably big, has a good supply of girls and was totally packed on Thursday evening at about 9:30pm. It was exactly the same as all the other times i have dropped by. Many bars fluctuate between good and bad, but this place always remains good – with the following caveats below. This place is unusual as about 20% of the girls only work part time, they typically have day jobs or are students and use this place to top up their bank account. Most of the good girls only go to the bar from Monday to Thursday to avoid the weekend drunken crowds – they are also very choosy and will accept a night with no customers rather than go with someone they do not like. I have found these girls to very attractive (with the above restrictions ugly girls would be wasting their time) but very inexperienced. You will often find them dancing in a very half hearted manner up the back of the dance floor and they look very uncomfortable and may be too shy to approach you. (In these cases just ask the mama-san to get her to come over.) Now for the down side – the service level can vary massively. I have had some terrible dud's – but because they look so gorgeous i keep on coming back. Some are also greedy, thus the price range can vary massively. But with all these faults this is the main reason i come back to this bar and have established long term relationships with a few of the girls – which can be useful. For the other girls(sic) about 40% are your typical full time bar girls, which you can find in Soi or nana. These girls all give good service, have a standard price, but are normally not as attractive. The remaining 40% are katoy's – so be careful.
Nana – I tried about a dozen bars and in the end its the old trusty Rainbow bar on the ground level and Level 1 which was the best. The bars on Level 2 had a small number of very average girls – i would give this level a total miss. Erotica – in the corner (the old school girl bar) was ok, but not great. On Level 1 most of the bars were average, except for Rainbow in the back corner (Rainbow bar in the front was also very average). On the ground level the Rainbow bar in the back corner was also good. The two rainbow bars were packed and had a very large selection of girls. None of which i would class as gorgeous – but some had nice faces and good bodies. Service level (as is normal) is ok and the price fairly standard.
Soi – I tried the bigger bars on the left side as you walk from asok side to the back. Deja Vue has really dropped in term of quality – very few nice girls. It still had a good show, but clearly lacked the range of girls. The nicer girl's don't like doing the buck naked shows – as they can get good business without it. The next bar up, safari – or something like that – had a much larger range of girls (it also has very expensive drinks at Baht140) There was 1 or 2 girls i found nice enough to take home. The next bar, Doll House reminded me of a bar i use to go to in chang mai – two stories with girls dancing on the upper level. This had a deja vue type show, but had a few more nicer girls. Like Deja Vue there were more solid than the normal thai girls, but ok nonetheless. Shark, my old favourite, had a very good supply of nice girls. The standard has really gone up – so i would recommend this bar as the best in soi right now (Deja Vue use to be my #1 4-5 months ago, but not any more). If i did not have a regular (the tallest girl in the bar – who is not a katoyi as an earlier post alluded to) i found a few of the girls i would have been very interested in taking out. Baccarat (or something like that) was the final bar. It was packed, had a good range of girls, but none i was interested in – or perhaps i was getting tired.
Grace Hotel – My final location was back to the famous Arab sector to look for Russians. I finally went to the disco in the grace hotel and all i can say is – don't bother turning up before mid-night. I was their from 23:30 to 00:30 and it was empty. I only counted 3 providers. They looked like a mixed Asian/Russian – so may have been from one of the stan's. This was on a Saturday evening. (i dropped by on Friday and it was even emptier, but as this is the day all good Muslims go to service i assumed this was a quiet evening). It did have a Russian feel to it, played some Russian songs, and made me feel homesick for my favourite Russian club in Beijing – the only issue was in Beijing there are normally a hundred Russian girls wriggling their bottom's around – in the grace hotel only 3 big bums sitting on a stool. Next time i will go to CM2.
I also dropped by the coffee shop and saw a few Russians, but nothing too spectacular. Also – i am use to Russians with blond hair – the girls i saw in the grace all had black hair – so they may have been girls from the middle east – so there was no way i was going to approach any of these women asking how much for anal – in case their brothers would come out of the wood work shouting Allah akbar as they attacked me.
One interested thing i did note – i brought up the topic of tests for the girls at the bars in my travels. I heard that EDEN does extensive tests for any nasty diseases before he allowed the girls to work, about 20% had aids (this was the famous lesbian action bar – so the girls were all long time professionals). This seems like a very high number, so i though i would ask about testing at some of the bars to see if a similar figure occurred. Unfortunately none of the girls knew what the rejection rate was – but i got some interesting information nonetheless.
I asked the girls at a number of various bars and got a similar answer – the better bars insisted on monthly blood tests. If the tests showed a nasty disease they were not allowed to work – so they normally go to the cheaper bars or worked the streets. This does NOT mean its safe to bonk these girls unprotected – as a blood tests does not show a range of diseases which are tissue related, clamydia is one. Also the tests are monthly, so its possible for a girl to catch something after a tests and work for 2 months before the results came in to disqualify them. But it does show the probability your girl has AIDS, HeP-C or any of the really nasty blood diseases is less (BUT NOT ZERO) for girls who work in the better bars. The high class KTV clubs have a weekly testing process – blood tests and pap smears – but these girls are very expensive.
My advise is to allways be protected, but i still like to select girls with low disease profiles if possible. You never know if your protection will fail you in the most critical moment.
An added comment, i found out that at one bar i occassionally frequent had 80 girls, out of a hundred, taking some form of drugs. From something they sniff (I assume cocaine) to stuff they inject. I found this very surprising - while common in the west, i though drug usage amoung working girls was a lot lower in Thailand - guyess i was wrong. Even more reason to be careful.

[QUOTE=Mai Yao]The "stunners" at EDEN rarely appear in the line-up, they're usually booked months in advance by the many regular customers, mostly wealthy businessmen who frequently visit Bangkok. Most of the girls do a maximum of two customers a day and some have a few "special" customers they see on the side.

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maybe because they are non existant or some customers are quite easy going when it comes to looks. I have never read anyone commenting Eden on good looks, most are heresay. Why is it so difficult to hire better looking girls when you can easily find them at agogo bars like Rainbow 1&2 at Nana and other places?

[QUOTE=Surfdude]maybe because they are non existant or some customers are quite easy going when it comes to looks. I have never read anyone commenting Eden on good looks, most are heresay. Why is it so difficult to hire better looking girls when you can easily find them at agogo bars like Rainbow 1&2 at Nana and other places?[/QUOTE]

Maybe they don't want to do the kind of services that are on offer at Eden. Not every girl likes giving BBBJ, arse rimming etc, which are standard fare at Eden.

[QUOTE=Sebastian My]This time i got stuck in Bangkok for 6 days because i could not get a flight back to merry old England,



made me feel homesick for my favourite Russian club in Beijing –


better bars insisted on monthly blood tests.
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A couple of comments:

You have one hell of a travel agent!

I suppose you are referring to Maggie's in Beijing.

Don't put too much faith in blood tests. Girls have been known to use a friend's result or send someone they know isn't infected to take the test for them.

[QUOTE=Sebastian My]Level 1 most of the bars were average, except for Rainbow in the back corner (Rainbow bar in the front was also very average). On the ground level the Rainbow bar in the back corner was also good. The two rainbow bars were packed and had a very large selection of girls. None of which i would class as gorgeous – but some had nice faces and good bodies. Service level (as is normal) is ok and the price fairly standard.
Soi – I tried the bigger bars on the left side as you walk from asok side to the back. Deja Vue has really dropped in term of quality – very few nice girls. It still had a good show, but clearly lacked the range of girls. The nicer girl's don't like doing the buck naked shows – as they can get good business without it. The next bar up, safari – or something like that – had a much larger range of girls (it also has very expensive drinks at Baht140) There was 1 or 2 girls i found nice enough to take home. The next bar reminded me of a bar i use to go to in chang mai – two stories with girls dancing on the upper level. This had a deja vue type show, but had a few more nicer girls. Shark, my old favourite, had a very good supply of nice girls. The standard has really gone up – so i would recommend this bar as the best in soi right now.[/QUOTE]
I agree about Deva Vu and Shark completely but its worth adding that Long Gun has perhaps 3 girls that make it to the Gorgeous category (which few bars have). I'm not sure if the best one does anything other than beautiful shows though. Never saw her sit with a customer. I grabbed one of the good lookers quickly before someone else did.

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We left Toy Boy and headed straight into AfterSkool. Afterskool, for those that don’t know, has a naughty boys corner at the back of the bar, its where you can go for a HJ or BBJ, it used to be a tip as you go, up to you kind of place, but on this visit I was told prices had been standardized, a HJ was 300 baht and a BBJ was 700 baht, that would be plus the colas and tequilas, there were some nice looking girls, but I still hadn’t reached choosing time, so I passed.
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As reported by Meaty - This bar offers those who might enjoy it the opportunity to have sex in public. The naughty boy corner is simply at the end of the bar in a corner - in plain view of the entire bar. I mean if you are getting a BJ, anyone sitting in the main seating at the end of the bar has a straight on view. Kind of exciting if you have never had your dick sucked BBBJTCIM in public with business all around you going on as usual.

PRICING: 500 baht is the BJ fee. They may ask 600 or 700
but 500 will be accepted everytime. Trust me
on this. You can get a handjob for 300. I got
one at the bar with two girls "blocking" the view
around me while the 3rd girl stroked me. We
finally went to the "Corner" and the one girl
blew me BBBJTCIM, while i fingered the other
and sucked her tits. I paid the BJ girl 500 baht,
and bought her 1 drink (Coke Tequilla) 120bt
adn the standby girl 2 drinks - 240 bt plus
100 bt tip. I had two beers. Total was just a tad
over 1000 bt.

Girls in here are not stunners. There are some old gals and a few young but maybe chubby types. 2 or 3 have great personalities and you can literally finger fuckem at the bar for the price of a drink. "Touchy Feely" is the order of the day. Enjoy.

[url]http://www.lolitasbangkok.com/[/url]

this bar has been reported before, however it bears another report. this place is a bj bar. if you checkout the link i can attest that the girls you see there are pretty well representative of what you will find. decent but not great looking gals - who have superior oral skills!

they do lots of lunch time business and open at 11am i believe. most of the girls about 10-20 sit at the entrance of the bar. you go inside and can drink. if you go in alone, in a minute or two a girl will come in and try to go with you. otherwise pick one out when you enter or simply have a drink and go outside when you are ready and choose.

inside is very quiet and relaxed. good ac and i have never seen it too busy. when you have your girl you are taken upstairs to a large area that has comfortable couches that have curtains hung to creat "booths" for the service. the lighting is dimmed but not so much. you can see the girl very well. i hate dark places that try to "hide" things.

once seated your girl will go get a towel for you to sit on and some nappies to wipe off your dick. she will patiently clean you and once clean she will suck you off bbbjtcim. if you ask or have it agreed to prior to going upstairs your girl will pull off her bra/panties and you can play with her.
generally its a straight to it deal. but the girls are friendly and really suck a mean dick. i am not really a bj guy - guy these thai lbfm's can really pull it out of me.

pricing: bj is standard 700 baht. tipping up to you.
perhaps 100 baht tip is ok if she deserves it.
remember the bar gets 400, she gets 300.
i dont recall drink prices, but nothing abnormal
here. standard 90-100 per beer i think.

if you go, you can take the bts to nana and go out of exit 4 i think. its a short walk to soi 8. take a right at the 7-11, its 100 feet or so on the left.

[QUOTE=ThaiLearner]Which hotel did you stay at near soi cowboy[/QUOTE]
Stayed at the "Drop Inn" and I highly recommend it if you don't need a swimming pool, if you want free Net access, and if you are smart....are willing to trying to make the receptionist who's name I forgot YOUR WIFE. I've seen so many young receptionists, but she is the goddess of them all. Didn't try to "be-friend" her too much, but that would be a noble cause. She doesn't look 100% thai...that exotic Asia-but-not-sure-from-where look is what she has.

Price I forget but about $27 and very attractive place. 3-4 start just built.

Owners are couple and one is Italian...they have super "interior design"
taste.

[QUOTE=Oldian]. Thus, you get rid of the lady drinks, bar fines, and st is definitely not 2100 baht..to my knowledge, in the Philippines, in most places, you've got to pay a bf...[/QUOTE]
I don't know where I came up with that number. definately a typo. I think the Phils and BKK are prob similar with respect to getting girls numbers. I don't do that enought here in Cebu (I'm in Cebu right now). I'm on a mission to find the most perfect side-line girl in cebu from bars. I've had about 3 of them in 2.5 years....of course they have to be willing to be with you outside of the bar and be flexible which is not always possible if they have to show up at work 7 days a weeks.

I am now hitting up my male friends here to get away from bars. I just never had ANY time to bother with something like that. But it's a no brainer. Soooo, many girls need the extra money so long as the guy that's going to "gift them" ...in the Phils OR BKK is likable to them.

[quote=wander luster]stayed at the "drop inn" and i highly recommend it if you don't need a swimming pool, if you want free net access.[/quote]a couple of questions for reference, because it looks like a place i might like:

- they are basically girl-friendly, i presume?

- what was the internet connection like? i.e. decent speed and reliable, or slow and unreliable?

[QUOTE=Oldian]. Thus, you get rid of the lady drinks, bar fines, and st is definitely not 2100 baht..to my knowledge, in the Philippines, in most places, you've got to pay a bf...[/QUOTE]
I don't know where I came up with that number....a typo maybe, as it doesn't even make sense. I think the Phils and BKK are prob similar with respect to getting girls numbers. I don't do that enough here in Cebu (I'm in Cebu right now). I'm on a mission to find the most perfect side-line girl in cebu from bars. I've had about 3 of them in 2.5 years (at differenet times)....of course they have to be willing to be with you outside of the bar and be flexible which is not always possible if they have to show up at work 7 days a weeks.

I am now hitting up my male friends here to get away from bars. I just never had ANY time to bother with something like that. But it's a no brainer. Soooo many girls need the extra money so long as the guy that's going to "gift them" ...in the Phils OR BKK is likable to them.

[quote=gaienmae]a couple of questions for reference, because it looks like a place i might like:

- they are basically girl-friendly, i presume?

- what was the internet connection like? i.e. decent speed and reliable, or slow and unreliable?[/quote]

girlfriendly 100%. they brag about being so close to soi cowboy and nana...although the people staying there were a real mix (no families though). they have a free wireless which is a dream if you have a laptop. it even worked from my room...this at a hotel which is very cheap. but wireless is spotty all over bkk from what i could see. there free computer in the lobby is a good one and the connection will drop from time to time....but there are good net cafe's near. this is soi 22 if i recall.

I will caution that again I am going to cross post some of this in the general info Philippines forum.
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I did not do much hobbying after all while in LOS, but I was there for about 18 days....this was due to having to handle work problems more then having vaca time and some of the work problems meant I want to come back in 6 months when my finances are 4X what they were.

Someone mentioned that Filipinos are more reserved because they are catholic. There is MAYBE something to that, but the best comparison is to Catholics in Latin America. Same idea. Came from what may have been "Animist" religion and then the Spanish forced Catholicism on them. So you have a mix. In that mix for the girls in the PHILS are famous the world over for wanting to please their man. Just spend 20 hours on the dating sites as I have and you'll see that. I don't really know how much the Thai women have this huge urge to please there man.

But the Thai girls know the concept FUN ...no question about that. There was a "playfulness" I found with girls there that is not as common in the Phil’s. I only sampled 3-4 of the fruit of Thailand on this trip (another 8-15 on 3 trips 5-15 years ago). But there FUN attitude was just what I needed given my work is at a very high stress place right now.

I spent my last 10 days on phucket. My God I had no idea the place had changed so much. It looked NOTHING like when I was there about 6 years ago. Honestly, I much preferred the Patong of 6 years ago. But what you do have now is more selection. There are slews of working girls in Patong ...not tough to find your diamond. And I was able to do just that.

What a dream...I just couldn't believe she was new to the game, but she proved it. I don't like girls that are working in bars for too long. Her English was close to zero and for me that just killed the comparison to girls in the Phils. She stayed long term at my hotel, Patong Resort-- which sucks-- and then spent the entire next day with me “free”. Was such a bummer because of 6 girls I might have met in Cebu she would be #1. And I am very picky and am very good at digging for those hard to find diamonds. But we couldn't talk! I tried to convince her she should try to model...but with no language skills...well. Of the last 20 girls of boned in the Phils only one did I mention about modeling….but I think that is because I’ve become accustomed to Phils beauty but Thai beauty is new (refresher: this was my first time back to LOS in about 5 or 6 years). Telling a bar girl to try modeling….that’s a topic of a whole other post.

There are a LOT of average looking girls in phuket and to a lesser extent BKK. So if you are a newbie to this hobby, you must learn restraint. Promise yourself to let at least 2 girls that are attainable THAT NIGHT make you harder then you've felt in ages before you choose where to put the hardness where it belongs.

And if you follow my MO, PRETEND as if you are picking these girls up at a disco. Pretend—to yourself—that it really matters what they think of you (and also that you treat them like someone you pick-up in your own country in a disco…not anything less). The more you have to offer, the more any girl will reciprocate. Yes, money is what most want in the offer and may be 99.0% of what matters, but if they really like you and there is a chance you will get to know them then money may be 25% I look at it as if they are not much different than the girl that sleeps with a guy on the 2nd date because for whatever reason she thinks that she’ll enjoy it and that it will be a good thing for remaining a longer term prospect to him if she is really keen on staying with him.

For me, I love BKK because it is NOT Christian and I do like so much of Buddhism stands for. BKK is just a very fun city to explore if you like such things. And I don't just mean seedy exploration. But I love Cebu even more. The phils are simply cheaper in the P4P world and girls are easier to find that are looking for BF experience.

I am going to make a bigger effort to stay away from p4p because I do see too much BS here in Cebu with the way the Mama Sans treat the girls. I thought girls had full discretion about turning down a guy that wants to barfine here...at the places I like...but just from last nights girl I took out here I've seen more of what a hard sell girls get about going with ANYONE that will pay a barfine (this is dancers I'm talking about, the BARS in LOS don't make much from a barfine since it's small). That's only sometimes the case, but when I hear about a girl being roughed up by a guy from the middle east who think women in bars can be treated like dogs and the Mama San does nothing but playing mouth service to looking into it or calling the hotel, as I heard about last night ...well the whole p4p loses some luster.

My work will involve a lot of travel starting 3 months from now. When I can, Russia and it's girls are top of my list (too expensive in W. Europe I think other then the FKK clubs which I don't quite "get" yet) and then when I have the time for some adventure...back to Cambodia and maybe a first time trip to Mongolia. I LOVE tall girls and B+ pr C cups are a must.

This was not as much an inspired post...hope the next one will be.

[QUOTE=Wander Luster]Girlfriendly 100%. They brag about being so close to Soi Cowboy and Nana...although the people staying there were a real mix (no families though). They have a free wireless which is a dream if you have a laptop. It even worked from my room...this at a hotel which is very cheap. But wireless is spotty all over BKK from what I could see. There free computer in the lobby is a good one and the connection will drop from time to time....but there are good Net cafe's near. This is soi 22 if I recall.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info :-)

Went there last night, and I think it's a much better place than Bar-On/Lotus or Thonglor 2. Had a girl by the name of Pim, and she's chatty, speaks good English.

Here's the FR:

Name : Pim -- from Uttaradit
Age : 27 yrs
Height : 5ft 3 in
Breasts : 34 C (she's had enhancement done, but looks good!)
BBBJ : Yes, I would rate it 10/10. She has this technique of putting half your shaft into her mouth without touching the sides. So, you get this wonderful, ecstatic feeling of heat and moistness, that is alternated with swipes of her tongue.
DATY : Didn't try as i was so caught up in the BBBJ.
FJ : 8/10. She seemed to enjoy it as much as I did! Natural lubrication from her juices, so it was good.
GFE : 8.5/10
WIR : Yes, yes, yes -- it's going ot be my regular for awhile
Damage : Baht 2,000 for the package + Baht 500 for the establishment

The wonderful thing about Pim is that she is very friendly, and at the end, I got her number as she's interested to party after work! When I came downstairs, there were about 10 ladies available, and average in terms of looks/body was 7/10.

Best,
Panya

Yesterday:

I stood up at 10 am, and finished my daily office work around noon. And I felt that I needed a break from Livingstone’s and any kind of internet connection, ISG, Oracle Database Server, computer systems in general, front desk activities, customer questions, and somehow from everything else, too. There is no daytime action in our small enclave Soi 33, so I decided to take the way to the lower Sukhumvit area. Sunday. Biergarten Goulashsoup Day.

I crossed Sukhumvit Road and took a motorbike to Soi 7. Luckily I survived the ride with minor damages (leg burnt on the exhaust pipe, as usual). Biergarten was surprisingly empty. I easily got a seat at the main bar. Some girls were already there, the number steadily increasing. Nothing of interest, but the quality not that bad. The Goulashsoup was ok as usual, but I realized that our Hungarian Goulashsoup in Livingstone’s gets better and better – today I would prefer it to that one of Biergarten.

I sat there for a while, watching the customers, the girls – whenever I looked at them they somehow realized it and immediately looked back. I am a very shy guy and cannot stand this direct invitation for more … . But most of them somehow have something like a sixth sense for potential customer views – I don’t know how they manage to do that. I also saw a number of customers aged 65 and older. What the hell --- how do they do that? Will I be able to hunt when I am 65? May be Vit. V? Opening a Vit. V shop at the entrance of Biergarten, that seamed to be a good business opportunity. That would work, for sure. I would only need a table and a chair…low lease, no responsibility for staff, fun all day. No computer, no front desk terror … no satellite system. Damned satellite system…

I realized that I was back with my thoughts at Livingstone’s and decided to leave. There must be some other Sunday Noon action in Bangkok. I made my way back to Sukhumvit Road, the restaurants and Pool bars mostly empty, and turned right, direction Soi Nana. Street vendors everywhere, but they offered nothing new. CD/DVD Copies were sold openly, Bangkok street business as usual, sometimes you can get them on the street, sometimes they hide the trade – and you also get them.

Arabs turning into Sukhumvit Road coming from the Soi 3 area. Soi 3 – no, I go there later, let’s check out Soi 4.

I crossed Sukhumvit and walked into Soi 4, Soi Nana. First I came to pass the bar “Morning & Night”, on the left hand side of Soi 4, 20 m. away from Sukhumvit road. It was packed. Most of the seats close to the road occupied. Ok, may be I go there later.

Walking further down Soi 4 I reached the entrance area of “Hillary Bar”. This is a relatively new trendy bar, I heard about it a lot from my customers. Always packed in the evenings, a lot of action. It was may be 1 pm, and only a few customers were in the bar. There are two pool tables close to the entrance, occupied, customers and ladies were playing. Inside the bar lots of empty chairs and tables. But – I saw some of the old Biergarten ladies hanging around there. Daytime competition to Biergarten - but Biergarten still had more customers. Anyway - Hillary Bar is for sure an alternative in this days. The setup is nothing special, but for sure more interesting than Biergarten.

Nam Soda. I watched the pool activities. And the ladies. And the same thing happened, whenever I looked at one of the ladies she immediately looked back. And smiled. Moved her head to show me that she had realized that I looked at her. I am so shy… and what handsome man I am! All girls want me…oh no, sorry, may be not me, they only want my wallet. Damned. - Life is not easy here in Bangkok.

Opposite of “Hillary Bar” the result of a giant investment – an Irish pub! Humrahang? Rumharang? Or something like that, I forgot the name already. It really looked – green! Seamed to be a real Irish pub. This is for sure good for that area, a serious Irish Pub! Mongers of the world, go to Nana, pick up the Gogo girl you like, and have your Kilkenny (or 2, 3, 4) a few minutes later – life can be good then! Well done, guys, I wish you to succeed and make money there. All the best!

It was boring in Hillary Bar, too. So I left. Nice cool weather, blue sky, a perfect Sunday afternoon. Some people on the street now, mostly those strange combinations of Farang men and Thai women. Are there no Thai men here in this road? Or Farang women? Strange place this…

I made my way back to “Morning & Night Bar” (I hope I got this name right). Obviously the place of this hour. It was packed. But now – my seat at the balustrade to the road was free. Sitting there and watching the activities in Soi 4 – that was it. Nam Soda, please. And - Peace!

Many girls in that bar, and when I looked at them…right, I mentioned that already. Where did they come from, were that Thai women? The table behind me, a younger farang guy and a beautiful Isaan girl, very close, they could not leave the fingers from each other – he was kissing her chin, then along throat to the neck…and her firstly half closed eyes were completely closed then, and she pressed her body against him, rubbed her pussy against his dick … delicious outlook, will they roll on the floor in a minute? --- Not my business.

Another girl was sitting close to me, showing me her back. She wore one of those shorter shirts which left the naval piercing area free, but I could not see that. But I saw the skin area of the back in between the shirt and the jeans – she had white skin, and tiny black hair in that area, in a V order pointing to the starting fold of her buttock – beautiful. Could not turn my eyes away for some time.

Why do most of the girls chew chewing gum? Is that a part of Thai culture? One 102 year old ugly-as-the-night lady approached me, no, she trampled towards me… “Hi, Mister – jum, jum, (chewing gum) - want boom boom?” ---- What??? Ohhh, no, please not, I am not in boom boom mode, that’s switched off. And I left the switch at home. - So she had to proceed chewing her gum. I meanwhile asked myself what had happened here, why not the standard questions? What’s your name? Where do you come from? Where do you stay?

And then the make-up…daylight is cruel! Really mean to the ladies. Those days, weeks, months, years of working in the naughty nightlife scene leave marks in their faces. Folds, dark borders below the eyes, scars. For that make-up is important for business, but if there is daylight, blue sky, sunshine – oh my god. To apply make-up the right way is obviously an art, too. Vincent, Leonardo, come back, we need you here, come and teach!

Chewing staring coloured monsters, lots of them. Where were the Thai women that I like so much? Those who turn their eyes down when you look at them because they are too shy to look at a man? Those who fly smoothly above the ground when they walk? Those who are dressed nicely that you can imagine everything but see nothing? Those who apply only a thin layer of make-up and don’t even know what chewing gum is? --- I know there are some in the bars of Soi 33, of course also some of those monsters. But what a difference between those roads. I realized that I hadn’t visited Soi 4 so many times during the past few years – it is not really my world any more. But interesting.

I turned my eyes towards the road. Soi 4. Farang men and Thai women passing by. Most of the men wore T-Shirts. I started a T-Shirt analysis: the younger men with still ok-body wore mostly bigger T-Shirts. Then there were those medium aged body-builder like guys with the very tight T-Shirts. Every muscle could be inspected like an imprint on the T-Shirt. The beer-belly types wore mostly tight T-Shirts either. That looked interesting, too, the T-Shirt wide around the shoulders and tight around the belly, and then hanging down like women’s mini skirt. – I looked down at myself, saw my growing tits, luckily my polo shirt was wider, so it covered this development slightly. But it will not take long any more, then I can work there as a bar girl…

Farang men and Thai women – I suddenly thought about Samus Aran. Sorry Samus, you left the board, I would like to delete some of my first reports in your thread. You were famous for writing about LBFM and FFF, and today my views have changed slightly. Let’s have a beer one day, ok?

Enough. Time to leave. What’s next?

I decided to do something useful with my time and add some value to the ISG. Cupidy and Plaza Entertainment is discussed in the moment, so I could do some research. Suffer for our fellow mongers of the ISG… OK, straight on, crossing Sukhumvit, and walk all the way up to Petchaburi Road. When I came to pass Grace Hotel I realized that I have never been inside the famous coffee shop there. I don’t even know where it is. But not now, Plaza, Cupidy …

When I walked along Soi 3 I found Leela Inn. I read about this hotel, it’s cheap, but I never knew where it was. Now I know. It looks run down, btw. . I crossed Petchaburi road and walked along Makasan road. I saw the slums, on both sides of the road, and behind that huge building of Plaza Entertainment and Prince Hotel…

And some memories came back. I had been there once before. It was in April 1998, during that time, when the THB reached the lowest ever exchange rate against USD and DM. It was Songkhran 1998, when I walked there, one of my first visits in Thailand. That time all that was new for me, Bangkok, Slums, Songkhran. A Thai woman stood on the road that time, with a small bucket of water. She did not speak English, but she smiled at me when she emptied the bucket carefully towards me. And she looked at me as if she apologized for that what she just had done.

She was a Thai woman.


Giotto

PS: Infos about Plaza Entertainment later, in the Massage Parlour thread

I went to Morning & Night (Soi 4 NANA) 2 weekends ago. It is a popular place and they play great rock music and seem to draw a lively crowd. My problem with them and with MANY BKK Beer bars and GOGO's is that the friggin LB's are everywhere. I went to MN and after 2 minutes ahd 3 of them sitting there. The problem I have with LB's is not that they exist but that they seek to HIDE who/what they are. And lets face it. Sometimes its hard to tell. Next thing you know you have spent money on a drink and wasted your time before the lights come on.

While I was there a couple of guys next to me (Americans) were having a great time. They had a bottle of whiskey and were getting tanked. One of the guys was all ovehr this girl - they danced, kissed and generally had foreplay in the bar. As the guy was dancing and showing off his moves he mentioned to me in a bragging almost aggressive manner that he was the "sexiest MF" in the bar - even at 160 kilos. I didnt have the heart to tell him he had been swapping tongues with a LB. About 30 minutes later - His lights came on...he and his friend quickly exited stage left. No doubt bringing a big downer on his good time.

For those who think its easy to pick them - thats onlypartially true. Surgery today removes the Adam's Apple and even changes the voice to sound more feminine.
I wish they would go away to a place where mongers who want that will go to. My theory is that many mongers secretly want it and by having them at regular bars makes it easy for them to "experiment". Without having to feel dirty by entering the "Katoey" Bars themselves. I find this blending undesirable.

Last night I went to Soi Cowboy. I was at a gogo -Shebas -and of the 10 "girls" on stage at least 3 maybe 4 were boys in a past life. I paid my 140 baht bar tab and left. The waitress there tried her best to tell me that they dont allow LB's but that was all BS. Same was true at Deja Vu. Many LB's there also. I guess many mongers are taking them, otherwise they wouldnt exist. Sorry but there presence pisses me off. So does their audacity to try and fool me into fucking one of them.

Giotto

You're such a tourist!

Yes, the hardened women of the Nana area can be a shock to the system for those, like you and I more used to the grace and beauty of true Thai women. If ever I have to go down to that area, I often make it quick, yet still exit with a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. Nana can give you an unpleasant hangover in more ways than one, leaving some horrific afterimages of some truly ugly women.

[QUOTE=Giotto]Where were the Thai women that I like so much? Those who turn their eyes down when you look at them because they are too shy to look at a man? Those who fly smoothly above the ground when they walk? Those who are dressed nicely that you can imagine everything but see nothing? Those who apply only a thin layer of make-up and don’t even know what chewing gum is? [/QUOTE]Really, where are they?

1. Once and for all, which monger location has the most beautiful women in Bangkok?

2. What are some good non-monger dance clubs to go to?

[QUOTE=Giotto]Yesterday:

I sat there for a while, watching the customers, the girls – whenever I looked at them they somehow realized it and immediately looked back. I am a very shy guy and cannot stand this direct invitation for more … Giotto
[/QUOTE]

Shy Guy? Who is this imposter! What did you do with the real Giotto! lol!

AT2

[QUOTE=Giotto]Yesterday:

Walking further down Soi 4 I reached the entrance area of “Hillary Bar”. This is a relatively new trendy bar, I heard about it a lot from my customers. Always packed in the evenings, a lot of action. It was may be 1 pm, and only a few customers were in the bar. There are two pool tables close to the entrance, occupied, customers and ladies were playing. Inside the bar lots of empty chairs and tables. But – I saw some of the old Biergarten ladies hanging around there. Daytime competition to Biergarten - but Biergarten still had more customers. Anyway - Hillary Bar is for sure an alternative in this days. The setup is nothing special, but for sure more interesting than Biergarten.
[/QUOTE]

I had a great time with one of the Hillary Bar girls a few months back. Shot some pool with her and some of her friends, knocked down a few shots, and bar fined her. We were in and out (of the bar). The bar fine provided us with the option of coming and going, bar hopping, dinner and some fun. Had a great time back at my room and then finished the night off at Angels disco and back to the room for more fun. About 3,000 baht well spent (bar fine, her tip, a few rounds for her friends, pool) for an all day all nighter.

AT2

[QUOTE=One Tree Hill]I went to Morning & Night (Soi 4 NANA) 2 weekends ago. It is a popular place and they play great rock music and seem to draw a lively crowd. My problem with them and with MANY BKK Beer bars and GOGO's is that the friggin LB's are everywhere. I went to MN and after 2 minutes ahd 3 of them sitting there. The problem I have with LB's is not that they exist but that they seek to HIDE who/what they are. And lets face it. Sometimes its hard to tell. Next thing you know you have spent money on a drink and wasted your time before the lights come on.

While I was there a couple of guys next to me (Americans) were having a great time. They had a bottle of whiskey and were getting tanked. One of the guys was all ovehr this girl - they danced, kissed and generally had foreplay in the bar. As the guy was dancing and showing off his moves he mentioned to me in a bragging almost aggressive manner that he was the "sexiest MF" in the bar - even at 160 kilos. I didnt have the heart to tell him he had been swapping tongues with a LB. About 30 minutes later - His lights came on...he and his friend quickly exited stage left. No doubt bringing a big downer on his good time.

For those who think its easy to pick them - thats onlypartially true. Surgery today removes the Adam's Apple and even changes the voice to sound more feminine.
I wish they would go away to a place where mongers who want that will go to. My theory is that many mongers secretly want it and by having them at regular bars makes it easy for them to "experiment". Without having to feel dirty by entering the "Katoey" Bars themselves. I find this blending undesirable.

Last night I went to Soi Cowboy. I was at a gogo -Shebas -and of the 10 "girls" on stage at least 3 maybe 4 were boys in a past life. I paid my 140 baht bar tab and left. The waitress there tried her best to tell me that they dont allow LB's but that was all BS. Same was true at Deja Vu. Many LB's there also. I guess many mongers are taking them, otherwise they wouldnt exist. Sorry but there presence pisses me off. So does their audacity to try and fool me into fucking one of them.[/QUOTE]
Well you be might be suffering from LB Phobia, but I cannot be sure.
Unfortuantely many Thai girls get suspected of being LBs and conversely many new guys to Thailand get tricked by LBs.
I went to Morning Night bar twice last week, although was day time only, and didn't notice any Lady Boys. The was one gay boy working on the bar.
Also not many bars in Soi Cowboy have LBs working inside. I can confirm that Deva Vu definitely does (only bar with LBs that I have been to) and Sheba I have never tried.

Hey fellas, I am in Bangkok right now but headed to Pattaya tomorrow until Jan 7th. Was thinking about coming back to Bangkok from Jan 7-10 (when I fly out) Really want to see a lot more of what the city has to offer for the hobby. I know about Nana Plaza (NEP) and hung out at the Biergarten on Soi 7 today. Feels like I am only scratching the surface and would do better if hanging with someone that knows.

Almotu

[QUOTE=Almotu]Hey fellas, I am in Bangkok right now but headed to Pattaya tomorrow until Jan 7th. Was thinking about coming back to Bangkok from Jan 7-10 (when I fly out) Really want to see a lot more of what the city has to offer for the hobby. I know about Nana Plaza (NEP) and hung out at the Biergarten on Soi 7 today. Feels like I am only scratching the surface and would do better if hanging with someone that knows.

Almotu[/QUOTE]Almotu,

Come over here to Livingstone's and let's have a beer.


Giotto

[QUOTE= so there was no way i was going to approach any of these women asking how much for anal – in case their brothers would come out of the wood work shouting Allah akbar as they attacked me.[/QUOTE]

Lol
I fucking Hate when that happens!!

Nice report.

EU

[QUOTE=Surfdude]maybe because they are non existant or some customers are quite easy going when it comes to looks. [/QUOTE]

I am a veteran of 70+ encounters with Eden ladies, about 20 different ones in all. At one time or another, I've probably seen every lady who works there. When I visited Eden in November, a total of 40 ladies were on staff, but you're highly unlikely to ever see a line-up of more than 30 because of days off, L/T bookings, etc. And if you see less than 30, that's because other guys have been there before you and taken their pick. Mai Yao is right - quite a few Eden ladies are booked L/T, so they don't show up in the line-up for days at a time. I booked an Eden lady in August for a trip that didn't occur until late October.

In November, I long-termed one Eden lady for seven days (took her to Hong Kong with me), then booked her overnight for the following three nights. For about 10 days, she didn't appear in the line-up. It's not unusual for Eden ladies to travel to Singapore and other countries without visa requirements for Thai passport holders.

There is a range of ages and appearances at Eden, just like everywhere else in LOS. It's true the emphasis at Eden is on quality of service and not appearance, but to say only older or unattractive ladies work at Eden is false. The youngest Eden lady with whom I have had a session was 22. I doubt anyone would call her unattractive and it took only few weeks for her to find a sponsor and leave Eden.

A lot depends on your definition of terms. What is a stunner? What is a 10? Is it: 1) the highest standard for any woman in the world? or 2) the highest in Thailand? or 3) the highest among P4P providers in LOS? Ask 100 punters and you'll get 100 different answers.

This is a question that can never be resolved on an Internet forum. Best is to walk into Eden and ask for a line-up. If you don't see anything that strikes your fancy, ask the bartender or manager about a good time to come back for a broader choice.

Evil

I have been a semi long term resident of Asia (10+yrs) and let me tell you my experience of Eden.

When bored I have always managed to convince myself to give Eden another try. My track record is probably I have walked in that door maybe 8 times and promptly walked out.

Even knowing the quality of the service is probably excellent I just can't pull the trigger when I see those faces.

But I have friends who still rave about it so to each his own.

Last week I was in the Suk Soi 4 area and happened to witness one of many freelancer sweeps that the police are conducting. I was talking to a prospect on Suk, between Soi 4 and 6 when the police came up and put her in the back of a pickup with a truckload full of unhappy girls.

The ladies around Nana said the same thing has been happening there for the last week or so.

Don't know if this is related to the cleanup in Pattaya, but maybe the new administration has diffferent ideas, or wants new ways to fill their pockets.

Either way its reducing the possibilities.

[QUOTE=Hk Dog] My track record is probably I have walked in that door maybe 8 times and promptly walked out.
[/QUOTE]

If you walked out before asking to see a line-up, then that was a bit of a mistake. There are usually more ladies available than the ones who are sitting in the bar area, but you won't see them until the line-up is called. Also, some guys who have just popped their heads in have mistaken the maids for providers. And if you do see a line-up but don't find anything attractive, ask the Eden manager about when the ladies generally considered most attractive will be available.

But Hk Dog is very right about "to each his own." When I've been bored, I've popped into both Rainbow 4 (NEP) and Poseiden (Ratchada) about 8-10 times in the past two years, but I just can't pull the trigger when I see those faces. I didn't find much difference between the ladies I saw at those two establishments and Eden. I always wrote it off to my bad luck, that I had visited at a time when l the most attractive ladies of Rainbow and Poseiden had already been chosen. I'm sure there are stunner-type ladies at those two places, it's just that I've never seen them.

Evil

Hello Everyone,

I have browsing ISG forums for a while and I must say I am overly impressed by the wealth of knowledge available. You guys truly know what you are doing.

I will be visiting BKK for the first time late January and I had a question with regards to TG's view & potential treatment of guys who are not Caucasians.

I was born and raised in Canada but I am of Middle Eastern origins. I have done a bit of research and found contradicting information about this.

I understand that Arabs, specifically from the Gulf region, can be annoying at times and may not give the best first impressions. How can I avoid being stereotyped? Will I be denied entry to Bars/MP’s? Will I be able to find a decent TG to have some fun with?

How do you guys feel about this? Your input will be greatly appreciated.

KT

[QUOTE=King Tut22]Hello Everyone,

I have browsing ISG forums for a while and I must say I am overly impressed by the wealth of knowledge available. You guys truly know what you are doing.
I will be visiting BKK for the first time late January and I had a question with regards to TG's view & potential treatment of guys who are not Caucasians.
I was born and raised in Canada but I am of Middle Eastern origins. I have done a bit of research and found contradicting information about this.
I understand that Arabs, specifically from the Gulf region, can be annoying at times and may not give the best first impressions. How can I avoid being stereotyped? Will I be denied entry to Bars/MP’s? Will I be able to find a decent TG to have some fun with?
How do you guys feel about this? Your input will be greatly appreciated.

KT[/QUOTE]

It's hard to avoid being stereotyped in my experience. The only way to overcome this is to be nice and classy during the small talk leading up to the negotiations and be nice in the room before and after. Since you are Canadian, you probably use anti-perspirant! Usually, once they find out you are from North America, girls generally warm up. But there will be some girls (who consider themselves "high class" !!) will not smile at or approach you. But there are plenty of fish in the sea. You may be deined entry into some Nana go-go bars. But I would avoid them anyway.. unless you really get off on the who go-go scene. The only advantage I see is that many go-go girls have not had a child while many freelancers do. If this is your first visit, I suggest trying Gullivers on Soi 5 and Beer Garden on Soil 7. At night, you can try the Angels (Nana Hotel) disco.

Cheers.

Forum,

I have searched the forum, but have not seen this issue addressed. If customs would search your bags upon arrival in Bangkok and find some "toys you brought for your girlfriend" would this be a problem since these "toys" are not readily available for sale in Bangkok? I am sure this has been discussed in the forum somewhere, however if someone knows where please direct me to the proper thread or provide the latest information on this subject. Are the customs procedures about the same in the new airport as the old? Any information is appreciated, thanks.

D1423

Crypton,

Thanks for all the info. I have met a few TG's here in the Gulf and some of them really start becoming friendly once they hear me speak in English and realize that I do not have an Arabic accent, however some of them think I am playing tricks on them and insist on seeing my passport beforehand.

I am extremely disappointed of how Arabs behave around foreign women. Money can not buy everything. I will take you advice and avoid Nana gogo’s how about MP’s?

Regds,

KT

[QUOTE=Crypton]It's hard to avoid being stereotyped in my experience. The only way to overcome this is to be nice and classy during the small talk leading up to the negotiations and be nice in the room before and after. Since you are Canadian, you probably use anti-perspirant! Usually, once they find out you are from North America, girls generally warm up. But there will be some girls (who consider themselves "high class" !!) will not smile at or approach you. But there are plenty of fish in the sea. You may be deined entry into some Nana go-go bars. But I would avoid them anyway.. unless you really get off on the who go-go scene. The only advantage I see is that many go-go girls have not had a child while many freelancers do. If this is your first visit, I suggest trying Gullivers on Soi 5 and Beer Garden on Soil 7. At night, you can try the Angels (Nana Hotel) disco.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]
But Hk Dog is very right about "to each his own." When I've been bored, I've popped into both Rainbow 4 (NEP) and Poseiden (Ratchada) about 8-10 times in the past two years, but I just can't pull the trigger when I see those faces. I didn't find much difference between the ladies I saw at those two establishments and Eden. I always wrote it off to my bad luck, that I had visited at a time when l the most attractive ladies of Rainbow and Poseiden had already been chosen. I'm sure there are stunner-type ladies at those two places, it's just that I've never seen them.

Evil[/QUOTE]

Evil,

I'm sure you will probably agree that Eden and Rainbow 4/Poseidon are catering to two different preferences/markets. So you and HK Dog are right about the "to each his own" opinion. Both have their followers and it's just a taste issue. They both don't appear to be lacking for customers, so I think they have carved out their niches pretty well!

By the way guys, Merry Christmas and have a Happy New Year! And for those of you who are in LOS right now, kiss my ass you bestards! Of course I'm saying that purely out of jealousy! lol!

Peace!
AT2

I agree that there are differences in venues, but those of you "afraid" of the "wicked" Eden girls, I would offer the following. They are service oriented, if you are looking for wicked, you will find it, if you want a sweet GFE, that too you can find. Just let them know what you like.

KT22,

I understand your worries, but I would not be too worried, nobody can live in Canada and not become a decent human being ;) (I was thrilled when Andrew of the Boo-Sa-Bar asked me if I was from Canada!) that makes me a "nice" American.

Be yourself, and if you are refused entry in to any bar, GOOD for YOU! You would not want to spend time or money in any place that would not have you.

There are options galore in BKK and if you do not have a good time, it will be your fault. The earlier advice holds true, be a nice guy and they will recognize you as such.

Have a great time and just ignore the racists, they are not worth your time.

[QUOTE=Crypton] Since you are Canadian, you probably use anti-perspirant! [/QUOTE]Actually, I have never suffered any excess odor from any Gulf Arab, while there may be folks from countries where it is always hot who may have a rather pungent "pit", your typical Arab is not one of them.

Stereotypes can be misleading.

[QUOTE=Sporadic]Actually, I have never suffered any excess odor from any Gulf Arab.[/QUOTE]I have, and I work with many Gulf Arabs every day. I have a pretty sensitive nose, and those sweet Arabian perfumes can be pretty powerful sometimes. :)

King Tut - one safe bet for a non-racist place is Giotto's Lodge, where anyone is welcome as long as they behave themselves (like me of course). :D I've seen people from many races there, all getting along just fine and having a good time.

[QUOTE=Piper1]I have, and I work with many Gulf Arabs every day.[/QUOTE]Is it my fault you work in an oilfield while I enjoy working with pros in a five star hotel?

Oops, sorry, that is the WG´s! ;)

Come on Piper, you know what I mean!

[QUOTE=King Tut22]Hello Everyone,

I have browsing ISG forums for a while and I must say I am overly impressed by the wealth of knowledge available. You guys truly know what you are doing.

I will be visiting BKK for the first time late January and I had a question with regards to TG's view & potential treatment of guys who are not Caucasians.

I was born and raised in Canada but I am of Middle Eastern origins. I have done a bit of research and found contradicting information about this.

I understand that Arabs, specifically from the Gulf region, can be annoying at times and may not give the best first impressions. How can I avoid being stereotyped? Will I be denied entry to Bars/MP’s? Will I be able to find a decent TG to have some fun with?

How do you guys feel about this? Your input will be greatly appreciated.

KT[/QUOTE]Maby a problem? Many arab in soi 7½

So if its a problem you can stay there.

[QUOTE=Dragon1423]Forum,

I have searched the forum, but have not seen this issue addressed. If customs would search your bags upon arrival in Bangkok and find some "toys you brought for your girlfriend" would this be a problem since these "toys" are not readily available for sale in Bangkok? I am sure this has been discussed in the forum somewhere, however if someone knows where please direct me to the proper thread or provide the latest information on this subject. Are the customs procedures about the same in the new airport as the old? Any information is appreciated, thanks.

D1423[/QUOTE]"Toys" seem to be no problem! Recently returned from 30 days in BKK and if I was to be searched at Customs I would of had to wake up the Officers! I have searched and did'nt find any mention of this being a problem. And there are Toys available there as well. Just ask vendors on Sukhumvit. I also arrived with Eggs for my friends with no concerns. More trouble with bringing in 5 cartons of cigarettes from the US, 200 is the max your allowed. That concerned me more than the eggs (toy)

Haven't we had this discussion numerous times before?

While it is true that body odor is a key factor that contributes to the Thais' dislike of Arabs, Indians, Africans etc., it's not the only thing. Behavior is of course another huge factor as this group while not related ethnically has a collective habit of acting poorly in this country.

The bottom line is though that Thai women don't want to be with men of this type for the obvious common reason that they are all dark-skinned. Thais are racists. They don't like dark skin. Thais worship white skin. It has been said many times here. A Thai woman, even one paid-for loses face being seen on the street with a dark-skinned man. However, being seen with a white-skinned man, even if he's gross, fat and 100 years old is for some inexplicable reason somehow better. The exceptions are the fat freelancers around the Arab area of soi 3 and the Grace Hotel who can't get anything but "Kaek" (as the Thais say) and so obviously target this group.

King Tut

Of course, because this is Bangkok and options are numerous and varied, you'll still be successful and probably have a good time, especially if you take the advice you've been given.

Just be prepared for some negative reactions and refusal in some venues and just accept it as the nature of the culture and don't get too bothered by it.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Haven't we had this discussion numerous times before?

While it is true that body odor is a key factor that contributes to the Thais' dislike of Arabs, Indians, Africans etc., it's not the only thing. Behavior is of course another huge factor as this group while not related ethnically has a collective habit of acting poorly in this country.

The bottom line is though that Thai women don't want to be with men of this type for the obvious common reason that they are all dark-skinned. Thais are racists. They don't like dark skin. Thais worship white skin. It has been said many times here. A Thai woman, even one paid-for loses face being seen on the street with a dark-skinned man. However, being seen with a white-skinned man, even if he's gross, fat and 100 years old is for some inexplicable reason somehow better. The exceptions are the fat freelancers around the Arab area of soi 3 and the Grace Hotel who can't get anything but "Kaek" (as the Thais say) and so obviously target this group.

King Tut

Of course, because this is Bangkok and options are numerous and varied, you'll still be successful and probably have a good time, especially if you take the advice you've been given.

Just be prepared for some negative reactions and refusal in some venues and just accept it as the nature of the culture and don't get too bothered by it.[/QUOTE]All these post are very good! Just remember for every one that wont accept you there are 50 that will! Money is all they want and if you have it your in!

Just when walking Suk be courteous to fellow parade participants and vendors and you will be seen as a Canadian (You'll see what I mean when you get there)

Have a good time and forget the negatives, SMILE ALOT!

Oh! almost forgot "Don't fall in love"

Well, I already smile alot as it is, and I am not planning on falling in love again.

Been there done that and was not very impressed.

KT

[QUOTE=Rikusa]All these post are very good! Just remember for every one that wont accept you there are 50 that will! Money is all they want and if you have it your in!

Just when walking Suk be courteous to fellow parade participants and vendors and you will be seen as a Canadian (You'll see what I mean when you get there)

Have a good time and forget the negatives, SMILE ALOT!

Oh! almost forgot "Don't fall in love"[/QUOTE]

Rikusa,

Thanks for the quick response to my question on toys. That's what I thought, never been searched going through Bangkok, but with the new airport, first time through, was a bit concerned about possible new custom procedures. Also will check to see what can be found on Sukumvit. Thanks, again.

D1423

[QUOTE=Dragon1423]Forum,

I have searched the forum, but have not seen this issue addressed. If customs would search your bags upon arrival in Bangkok and find some "toys you brought for your girlfriend" would this be a problem since these "toys" are not readily available for sale in Bangkok? I am sure this has been discussed in the forum somewhere, however if someone knows where please direct me to the proper thread or provide the latest information on this subject. Are the customs procedures about the same in the new airport as the old? Any information is appreciated, thanks.

D1423[/QUOTE]
I have taken 'vibes' of verious types into Thailand several times and have never worried. Not in commercial quantities of course.
Some girls really love them but are far too shy to buy them personally.

Rikusa got it right. SMILE ALOT - Don't fall in love - and I'll add:

If there is ANY negativity move along to the next person, venue. Time is too precious to worry about things that probably don't concern most holiday makers.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Haven't we had this discussion numerous times before?

While it is true that body odor is a key factor that contributes to the Thais' dislike of Arabs, Indians, Africans etc., it's not the only thing. Behavior is of course another huge factor as this group while not related ethnically has a collective habit of acting poorly in this country.

The bottom line is though that Thai women don't want to be with men of this type for the obvious common reason that they are all dark-skinned. Thais are racists. They don't like dark skin. Thais worship white skin. It has been said many times here. A Thai woman, even one paid-for loses face being seen on the street with a dark-skinned man. However, being seen with a white-skinned man, even if he's gross, fat and 100 years old is for some inexplicable reason somehow better. The exceptions are the fat freelancers around the Arab area of soi 3 and the Grace Hotel who can't get anything but "Kaek" (as the Thais say) and so obviously target this group.

King Tut

Of course, because this is Bangkok and options are numerous and varied, you'll still be successful and probably have a good time, especially if you take the advice you've been given.

Just be prepared for some negative reactions and refusal in some venues and just accept it as the nature of the culture and don't get too bothered by it.[/QUOTE]That is why I like this forum because you can really learn a lot. I personally like the darker Thais that I have seen in magazines. I didn't really see any while I was in Bangkok though. Are they racist with their own people this way or just non-Thai people?

Here is some news for all of you guys to be aware of:


New airport faces partial shutdown
Mistakes, graft found in almost all contracts

AMORNRAT MAHITTHIROOK

Poor construction at Suvarnabhumi may force parts of the new airport to be shut down for repairs. This would open the way for the recently abandoned Don Muang airport to be re-opened to serve Bangkok's air traffic needs.

Deputy Transport Minister Sansern Wongcha-um said yesterday that following a recent report on the problems facing Suvarnabhumi airport, it was likely that part of the new facility would have to be closed and Don Muang airport would pick up the slack.

Board member Yodyiam Theptranont, who heads a sub-panel investigating the problems, said the repairs would take a long time. He could not give a timeframe



PT

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]That is why I like this forum because you can really learn a lot. I personally like the darker Thais that I have seen in magazines. I didn't really see any while I was in Bangkok though. Are they racist with their own people this way or just non-Thai people?[/QUOTE]


Go into any Thai chemist and you'll see racks of skin whitening/lightening products that Thai's who consider themselves too dark apply by the bucket load. Its something that applies not just to Thailand but also many other Asian countries.

It wasn't too long ago (before my time though!) that sun tans in the west were looked down upon as an indication that you worked outside i.e. a farmer or a labourer. Its only in the last 50 years or so(?) that getting tanned is a sign of wealth because you go on long haul holidays.

Understand that and you'll understand the way Thai's look down on people who are sun tanned. It's not so much an issue of race but more one of class.

This of course does NOT justify racism against ethnic groups in any shape or form. If any forum member experiences discrimination because of the colour of their skin please post a report and I will exercise my right to choose not to put my money in the hands of racists.

But as other forum members have said, for eveyone that says no 50 say yes.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]That is why I like this forum because you can really learn a lot. I personally like the darker Thais that I have seen in magazines. I didn't really see any while I was in Bangkok though. Are they racist with their own people this way or just non-Thai people?[/QUOTE]
Many types of discrimination exist.
And Thais plus other asians equally are considered to exercise racial as well as other discriminations.
Discrimination is probably a bad habit of people to generalise and put other people into categories based on their past experiences.
Some girls refuse me because I might have too big a dick. They like small dicks. This is a sort of predudice.
Some MPs want to charge me 500 or even 1000 Baht extra, supposedly because westerners may cause the girl damage but I bet the girl doesn't get all the extra.
Thais discriminate against guys that stink or are not polite (excusable), but may generalise and say that Vietnamese are not polite, or dark skinned races smell, or Indians are stingy, etc. But I know that westerners can be in all 3 of these categories as well.
The Thai Royal Palace entrance discrimates by requiring westerners to wear shoes and socks as a sign of respect where Thais may wear just sandals. They required me to hire shoes and socks because I only wore sandals.
This is blatant racial discrimination although they cannot see it.

Although Thais complain about experiencing racial predudice, they practise it just as much as anywhere else.
Maybe I have predudices myself but I am willing to be attracted to a girl from any race, colour or culture, provided it will not endanger my life, she is pretty, has a nice body (in my prefered stereotypes), clean, smells great, and doesn't have too many culture clashes.
I have been with beautiful black girls from Dominican Republic (or similar), with a Pakistan girl, and even 2 girls with Iranian origins who were very hot and sexy. Very few indeed of these girls were a disappointment.

[QUOTE=Silom]Rikusa got it right. SMILE ALOT - Don't fall in love - and I'll add:

If there is ANY negativity move along to the next person, venue. Time is too precious to worry about things that probably don't concern most holiday makers.[/QUOTE]Well thanks for all the information guys. My apologies if this topic has been raised before.

I will be in BKK on the 25th of Jan/07 and I am planning on enjoying my time to the max. The way I look it is if an individual judges me based on my skin then they are not even worth the effort.

KT

Here goes for my first report. It has been 6 months since I was last in Bangkok. On the flight back to the UK last time I made a decision that on my return I would embark on my first ever mongering experience.

Now I am not a stranger to Bangkok I have visited over 30 times on business during the last 9 years. I have been to many bars and go-go bars over the years and have learnt a few things during my experiences and from the reports I have read on this web site. However, during all that time and in the other places that I have visited I haven’t indulged in the pleasures you guys so readily discuss here, mainly because I have had a girlfriend and my conscience hasn’t allowed me to get away with it!

This time was different and I am single. I have spent many hours agonising over how, and when, and with whom. This trip was only for three days so I knew that I wasn’t going to have a lot of time to get it just right. I was staying at the Shangri-La and didn’t want to risk taking a girl back there. I thought about going for a soapie e.g. Poseidon but was unsure about whether there were any good looking girls there as many of the reports seemed contradictory. I had looked at a number of internet escort agencies but when it came to it I couldn’t be sure that what I was going to be greeted with was the same as on a website and with so little time I didn’t want to make a mistake that would cost me time. In a strange way I had a slightly romantic sense about my first time and definitely didn’t want to be haunted for the rest of my life by the face of a right old horse!

I decided to stick to what I know best and that is the go-go scene. My first evening I tried Soi Cowboy as on my last trip the best looking girls seemed to be found here. I think that at 9:30pm my luck was out as I didn’t see anyone that really caught my eye. I spent a bit of time in Baccara as the girls there are usually to my taste but when it came to it the only girl of interest had really bad teeth and I couldn’t face it. Next was Long Gun a good show and one attractive girl but somehow my interested diminished once I had seen her naked on stage! All in all not a great evening so I was just left with the hotel movies!!

The following day I didn’t finish my meetings until 8pm so not wanting to travel all the way across Bangkok to visit Nana I decided to go to Patpong. Now I know for some I have just given my soul to the devil but Patpong has always been good to me over the years and I know my way around. I checked out a few of the bars which were pretty quiet being mid week and couldn’t find what I was looking for. I ended up in Kings Corner which is well known for the LBs but they aren’t that difficult to spot as they usually all take the stage at the same time so that the height difference isn’t so obvious. I was only drinking cola which some of the girls found strange I think they expect all westerners to be beer monsters. Which I usually am but having witnessed a drunken friend get fleeced in Rainbow 2 a few years ago I don’t drink too much in the go-go bars and it is cheaper!

I was about to move on when a girl got on stage wearing a black bikini which was a bit strange as all the others were wearing pink! It was clear that this girls was late as she realise that she had the wrong colour on and had to go and get changed again. When she came back I found her quite attractive so invited her over. Bought the customary lady drink 145 baht (prices are going up!). Turns out that she was called Mai, 23 years old from Issan. Really nice figure spoke a little English and had a lovely smile which always does it for me. I decided that this should be the one. Paid the bar fine 500 baht. We went to play pool first as I wanted to know her a little better. Good job I don’t like to gamble as this girl would have hustled me out of a lot of cash as she thrashed me at pool!

Off to the ST hotel 400 baht. Amazing body on this girl and a great kisser. She didn’t rush me and made me feel fantastic willing to try a variety of positions. She came before I did but I wasn’t too far behind when we were going for it doggy style. We talked for a while and then she blew me for good measure. We hadn’t discussed a price beforehand and I am not a bad looking guy so I knew it wasn’t a big deal for her to go with me. Gave her 2000 baht which she seemed pleased with. I went back to my hotel for a Steak and a few beers not a bad night.

The following evening I did get to Nana but I couldn’t find another girl to measure up for my last night (fussy git aren’t I?) I will return again in the New Year and step up my activities. But I am pleased with my first experience on the whole. I have enclosed a photo of my first timer but I can’t share all the ones I have to remind me of her as I said that they wouldn’t be published!

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Joe Rich:

Nice one Joe and in Patong too. WOW. very nice.

Take it easy.

Champs1000

[QUOTE=Joe Rich] Next was Long Gun a good show and one attractive girl but somehow my interested diminished once I had seen her naked on stage! All in all not a great evening so I was just left with the hotel movies!!
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Choosy fellow indeed. Like you, I have sometimes gone home alone.
Usually happened when all my favourites not available and left it a bit late or missed out on the best girl for some reason.
However an experienced monger should not have to go home alone often.
Collect some phone numbers of beautiful girls that you really like, e.g. your Patpong girl (not 'Patong' - Champs1000).

Usually seeing a good looking girl, nude first, can be a great idea.
If she has clothes on you don't know what are the hidden defects, e.g bad scarring, bad boob jobs, sagging arse, etc. Tall girls could be lady boys but its hard to fool everyone when totally nude. Some things just don't look quite right.

[QUOTE=Joe Rich]I thought about going for a soapie e.g. Poseidon but was unsure about whether there were any good looking girls there as many of the reports seemed contradictory. I had looked at a number of internet escort agencies but when it came to it I couldn’t be sure that what I was going to be greeted with was the same as on a website and with so little time I didn’t want to make a mistake that would cost me time.
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Joe,

Looks like you found a cutey, but I don't think you could have gone wrong at one of the large Soapies like Poseidon. They do have more fair skinned beauties rather than the Isaan cuties, so if that is not your taste then you made a good choice. With this being your first adventure though, I would think you would want to try one from sample A and one from sample B just to compare! lol!

Have fun on your next adventure.

AT2

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]That is why I like this forum because you can really learn a lot. I personally like the darker Thais that I have seen in magazines. I didn't really see any while I was in Bangkok though. Are they racist with their own people this way or just non-Thai people?[/QUOTE]

Mr Enternational,

Unforunately I have been with Isaan girls that mentioned during casual conversation that their skin was too dark. The tone making it sound like they were ashamed of it. It's sad that some of them even feel that way. I have enjoyed my time with many of the Isaan girls. They are very down to earth and easy to have a great time with.

I don't think it's a blatant thing that most visitors will notice, until you spend more time with the people. Frequent visitors will more easily pick up on it.

AT2

BKK field report (cross posted for ISG members)

Arrived on a Thursday morning flight, it was a an hour and a half late (the crappy airline, Gulf Air, saving me a whopping $160 less than a real airline) proving once again, you get what you pay for. Not just late, but a dirty, old, beat up A340.

No problems in the new airport, I found the signs sufficient to find my way and the walk (stroll?) was not excessive. Immigrations and customs were a non-issue.

One thing I would mention, if you have not booked a ride to your hotel, upon emerging from baggage claim, there is a very official looking stand that is nothing more than another limo service, though they present themselves as the "official" taxi place. Ignore them, and move to your right.

My booked driver was waiting with my name creatively misspelled but recognizable.

11am traffic was not really an issue and I arrived in good time at my serviced Apt. (Royal President.)
Total time from stepping off the plane to hotel was 1:15. Not bad at all.

1st impressions are positive, looks interesting, no problems at the airport, check in at the hotel/Apt is painless and the room, while spacious and very nice at first glance, could use a little facelift, but nothing to complain about at 2200B with breakfast, email access, a newspaper, 10% F&B discount and free laundry service included.

Fast forward to the evening after a nap and shower and I am off to soi cowboy. Had a very enjoyable two or three beers at the Irish bar watching the girls arrive for work at 6pm.

Hit Long Gun and was not impressed with the attitude then migrated to Tilac. There I found my BFN (bride for the night, with a respectful nod towards CG with his wives )

Cute TG, quite nice, claimed excellent smoking skills. Off we go. BF paid, LT price accepted, we head down to the end of Cowboy and I am stopped in my tracks by the sound of "paranoid" (Black Sabbath) coming from the Country road bar. Bitchin!

We stop for a couple drinks and the band was really quite decent and playing music an old rocker like me could enjoy. Sent BFN to the band tip jar twice (to great critical acclaim from the band) and then we headed "home."

The RP (I had booked a double) offered no problems, just the quite nice guard politely asking the BFN for her ID.
Once in the room, BFN wanted dinner, and room service was up to the task.

The evening progressed acceptably, and I enjoyed what could only be described as an average session. Sadly, her smoking skills were far below what I have come to expect. The morning wake up deteriorated into a hj as her bbbj was so lame it was not worth enduring.

Oh well, she was cute, and it was only my first night in BKK. I do wonder why I am making unfavorable comparisons to the service I normally enjoy in Dubai (albeit at almost twice the price, though I don´t have to pay for a flight or hotel in DXB.)

I am left with the feeling that the "BKK magic" is not quite what it is advertised.

Is it my high expectations, or simply jaded over-preperation?

As for touts, never had a problem, either they pegged me as experienced or a hopeless case, I just do not know.

Little boss called me from Bangkok and asked me to join him in a couple of meetings over there the week before christmas. There wa nothing of importance scheduled for this week,m except the company christmas party, so I agreed to fly to Bangkok. Again they booked me business class on Thai, I can get used to that. In Bangkok airport, I went dowstairs after the exit to take a normal taxi, the lady at the counter understood that I wanted to go to Nai Lert hotel and wrote something onto a piece of paper which I handed to the driver assuming that he now knows where I want to go. This was not case, he asked me after a couple of minutes driving where I want to go and I tried to pronounce Nai Lert as thai as possible, but eve after 10 repetitions he did not understand. He produced a list of hotels where the names were written english and thai, but I did not find the Nai Lert. Somehow he understood that the hotel was in wireless road, although this road has a different name in thai. Once on wireless road it was easy to direct him to the hotel.

In the hotel, I asked for a room with garden view, which I got. After a nap, I called little boss to announce my presence and we agreed to meet in two hours for dinner. This time I used to go to the swimming pool and I was surprised how cool Bangkok can be. During dinner I got my instructions from little boss for the meetings the next days, it should not become too stressy.

After dinner I was too tired to go out so called L., a nice girl I met last time at Beergarden. She answered the handphone, seemed to remember me, told me that she would be happy to visit me but unfortunately she had her period and this would last 2 or 3 days more. I promised to call her before I would return home and went to bed alone.

The meetings next day went smooth, no extra work to be done at night. Little boss only wanted to by some sandwich for dinner so told him that I would go out on my own. Before leaving for Bangkok I studied the forum and stepped across an enthusiastic report about Cupidy massage parlour. Although I have been to Bangkok a couple of times, I never tried a massage parlour, so I thought before going to dinner I walk over to Cupidy as it is quite closed to my hotel. The distance is indeed short, but it is not at al a peasure to walk there.

At Cupidy I sat down on one of the sofas, ordered a drink and looked at the girls available. There were maybe 20 in the fishbowl and another 20 or so at the sideline. I was not impressed by the selection. I just was about to leave, when my eyes fell on one of the fishbowl girls and I changed my mind and opted for her. This was a mistake. The massage was so so, blowjob to forget about and the fucking only a little bit better ,but there was no atmosphere. From the first moment she saw me she complained that I was too big for her and so on. It was also cold in the room and after one hour or so, I told her that I would leave although I had paid for two hours, but I simply did not want more. On leaving she asked for additional money for the room and for a tip, which was refused. Walked over to Sukhumvit for dinner and decided to terminate my career as a massage parlour customer.

Next day at night I walked to the Landmark tower at Sukhumvit and sat down at the terrace for dinner. The positive aspect was the number of ladies passing by obviously on their way to work. All other aspects were not so positive, neither the quality of the food nor the waiting time impressed my positively. Nevertheless I got fed.

Decided to find out where all the ladies were heading to. No surprise, it was soi Nana. Strolled along the soi and decided to enter the first bar on the left, did not catch the name, as the ladies I spotted from outside were quite impressing. The atmosphere was relaxing, nice music, the ladies not agressive, the prices of the drinks moderate. The really nice looking girls were very young and I thought maybe I try a no so young one to avoid the experience of the other day at Cupidy. Started to talk to a rather nice looking but not so young lady from Isaan. As she was also nice, I decided to barfine her. This was a mistake. She turned out to be a cold fish in bed, she furthermore complained as well as the other girl the night before. After one session I asked her to leave.

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The next evening I did not want to make unnecessary experiments and called L. asking whether she was back in service. She said that she had already been waiting for my call and that the period was over. It is really funny to hear a thai pronouncing a word like „period“. I asked her to join be at the open air restaurant Zansibar at Soi 11. This is a place I can recommend, relaxed atmosphere, live music, prices on the high side but ok. The thai food is excellent, apart they also have italian and japanese food, which I have never tried. They also have a good but expensive selection of wines. L. Was only a couple of minutes late, we had an excellent dinner and took then the skytrain to the hotel as the roads were completely blocked. In the hotel I had by far the best sessions of this trip to Bangkok. During the first session I started to realize that she enjoyed it having her small breasts squeezed, I tried to reach her limits, but what I reached were my limits. Between two sessions I asked her, whether she had already mad love with a girl. With her eyes sparkling, she said yes, and that she enjoyed it especially with big breasted girls and that next time I come to Bangkok we must make a threesome. I can only say that I can hardly wait for the next meeting in Bangkok.

I had my flight back home next day. On leaving I told little boss, that he can call me whenever necessary and that I would be happy to support him in the next meetings. He seemed to be happy with my assistance during the meetings of the last days and promised to call me over again.

Sitting in the plane it came to my mind, that my mongering career started almost exactly 20 years ago on one of my first trips to Bangkok. In the first years, I always invested lots of emotions even in relations where I had to pay for sex, now I look at it from the distance and do not feel different than on a return trip from a couple of business meetigs, well this is also the truth or?

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[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]Mr Enternational,

The tone making it sound like they were ashamed of it. It's sad that some of them even feel that way. I have enjoyed my time with many of the Isaan girls. They are very down to earth and easy to have a great time with.
AT2[/QUOTE]

Common in many parts of Asia.

Dark = Farm worker, outside all day = Poor.
Light= Not farm worker = rich(er)

So, there have been many, many answers as to why Thai ladies tend to dislike certain Indian nationals, smell, behaviour, cheap charlies, abusive, aggressive, (all of which could be applied to any nationality by the way), but i wonder if this article from the BBC could be another :D [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6161691.stm[/url]
Whilst the article is based on tests and facts, it's just a joke from me, so all you decent Indian bro's out there who have been contributing to the forum, peace out, this isn't aimed at you. I'm sure you could find an equally funny article about any nationality you want, if you wanted to.

[QUOTE=Alfa Romeo]
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At Cupidy I sat down on one of the sofas, ordered a drink and looked at the girls available. There were maybe 20 in the fishbowl and another 20 or so at the sideline. I was not impressed by the selection. I just was about to leave, when my eyes fell on one of the fishbowl girls and I changed my mind and opted for her. This was a mistake. The massage was so so, blowjob to forget about and the fucking only a little bit better ,but there was no atmosphere. From the first moment she saw me she complained that I was too big for her and so on. It was also cold in the room and after one hour or so, I told her that I would leave although I had paid for two hours, but I simply did not want more. On leaving she asked for additional money for the room and for a tip, which was refused. Walked over to Sukhumvit for dinner and decided to terminate my career as a massage parlour customer.
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Decided to find out where all the ladies were heading to. No surprise, it was soi Nana. Strolled along the soi and decided to enter the first bar on the left, did not catch the name, as the ladies I spotted from outside were quite impressing. The atmosphere was relaxing, nice music, the ladies not agressive, the prices of the drinks moderate. The really nice looking girls were very young and I thought maybe I try a no so young one to avoid the experience of the other day at Cupidy. Started to talk to a rather nice looking but not so young lady from Isaan. As she was also nice, I decided to barfine her. This was a mistake. She turned out to be a cold fish in bed, she furthermore complained as well as the other girl the night before. After one session I asked her to leave.
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Well you certainly know how to pick 'em. Maybe you are just very unlucky.
I would suggest that you forget the age and chat to a few girls for a while before making a careful selection.
Look for girls who are very natural and don't seem to be putting on an act. Shyness can be bonus also. However its always a gamble with a new girl.
I have been with dud Thai girls but probably rarely (maybe only 5% have been bad and 20% not great). However got 2 ordinary girls in a row at Chaopraya I recently, so bad luck comes to us all eventually.

Some MPs are quite good but few people recommend Cupidy.
I have only ever been with one girl from Cupidy and she was very good, but I looked at her and others for a very long time before making my selection.

[QUOTE=Sporadic]
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The evening progressed acceptably, and I enjoyed what could only be described as an average session. Sadly, her smoking skills were far below what I have come to expect. The morning wake up deteriorated into a hj as her bbbj was so lame it was not worth enduring.
Oh well, she was cute, and it was only my first night in BKK. I do wonder why I am making unfavorable comparisons to the service I normally enjoy in Dubai (albeit at almost twice the price, though I don´t have to pay for a flight or hotel in DXB.)
I am left with the feeling that the "BKK magic" is not quite what it is advertised.
Is it my high expectations, or simply jaded over-preperation?
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"smoking" is a Thai euphemism for blow job, in case some readers don't know this.
Your expections maybe too high.
Thai girls, on average are nothing special at blow jobs, with odd few not wishing to give one at all. But please train them. Some Thai girls are not that into kissing. Others are.
What Thailand is about is the high availability of girls optionally for very extended time and the very high ratio of acceptable to good lookers compared to the ugly ones. Also you are more likely in Thailand to get a girl who is willing to enjoy herself as well as get some cash.
With the right match, you might decide its worth keeping the girl for a week or more.

I had a fab BBBJ from Mali (Li for short) of Deja Vu recently in the bath tub. Not a fantastic body (was little and slightly puffy) but a great attititude. She was very experienced, very good at it, wanting it to be the best session possible for me. She did everything with superior experience. The next day her American boyfriend would be arriving, but she wanted to give me an out of this world service just the same.

guys,

thought i would share some of my recent trip to the los. the trip was way too short mind you, as being part of a business trip with work colleagues.

but. i did manage to sneak away for some are & are.

1. i was wandering along sukhumvit at lunch time on day 2 of my short stay and walked along soi 4 and had a look in the beer bars, but didn't see anything to my liking. so, i walked further along sukhumvit and turned down along soi 8. when i noticed a group of girls dressed like school-girls sitting around the entrance to a bar. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s. a blow-job bar!

now, please bear in mind i have only been to bkk twice and had not heard of this place. anyway, i ducked through the black curtain after being persuaded to by the girls sitting out front. the girls out front weren't that great to look at, ranging from 4 to 6 i would say, but they were very friendly and so in i went. as i went though the curtain, i noticed a young girl sitting on the couch to the right hand side. i would give her an 8 out of 10 easily, very cute face and would hazard a guess that she looked 18-19years old at best! even allowing for the fact thai women often look younger than they are, this girl could have easily dropped in from school!

i sat at the bar and ordered a singha. one of the girls the ushered me in asked if i wanted to go up-stairs. i looked around for the young girl on the couch, but she had walked out the front. i declined and said i wanted the girl that was on the couch. she went to fetch her. another girl who was already inside the bar, approached and asked if she could take care of me. sorry, i want the young girl that was on the couch.

then she walked in.

she sat beside me and tried to have a conversaton. english was very poor, very poor even by bar-girl standard. so, bad she told me her name and i am damned if i know what she said, even though it was one syllable!

anyway, couldn't hold that against her and agreed to go upstairs.

can it get much better? sipping on an icy singha, while a very cute, young thai girl is bbbjing enthusiastically on her knees in front of you.

the best part. 795 baht. including the singha!

over-all rating of the experience. 8/10.

day 3:

the meeting ended early and we were flying out at 9am the following morning. so, i decided to go to nep and take a short timer.

the bars:

fantasia. up the escalator to the right, hook left first bar on the right hand-side. maybe 12 girls in all. 4 dancing when i walked in, the rest milling around and only 2 punters in the audience. sat for a while and had a beer, while i watched the dancing, if you could call it that!

i had my eye on one girl. long curly hair, slim body with small tits. after she finished dancing, she sat down next to another girl andlooked over and smiled a few times, so i thought i would wait. her friend kept waiving me over. and, although i certainly would have bar-fined her. this was after all the first bar i walked into. so, i went for a walk.

i went back down stairs and did a circuit of the beer bars. lots of 5s and 6s, but not really any that measured up to the fantasia girl. so, i peeked into rainbow1 on the right side ground level and was frankly a little dissappointed with the girls there too.

i was about to call it a day at nana and go for a long walk down to cowboy, when i thought i would walk up the stairs on the left hand side to the first level and take a look in angel witch.

angel witch usually always has something to your liking. so, i took a peek and there were 2 or 3 that had me interested. so, another singha it was and while i was drinking the mamasan came and sat with me and talked to me about where i was from and why i was in bkk. then asked if i liked any of the girls. she pointed to a some of them, but there was one on the stage dancing that caught my eye. i pointed toward her and mamasan gave me a big smile and said "she good girl" and motioned for her to coeme over after she finished dancing.

she was very cute again i would say 7. 5 maybe even 8/10. nice face, gorgeous smile, good sized tits. an all-round good package. so, i agreed.

i bar-fined her 600 baht and had agreed to 2, 000 short time when mamasan asked if i wanted to take her long time for another 1, 000. i declined and offered 500, which was excepted.

we went back to my hotel and she went straight in and showered. then, i did the same. and as usual, i came out to see her watching a thai soap-opera on tv (should have unplugged it before hand! ). but, that was ok. i started running my hands softly all over her and she really responded. she then got straight down to business and gave a very good bbbj. so, good i had to stop her just a few minutes in or she would have been back watching her tv show far too early!

she grabbed a condom and rolled it on. and hopped on top. she was quite energetic and we managed 3 position changed before i popped. we played around a little until i was ready to go again. a little more strenuous than the first effort and again i was a happy camper after a few good position changes. after a freshen up, she snuggled into me for a well earned rest.

the only bad part was the 5. 30am alarm to get my arse to the airport!

over-all her performance was very, very good 8. 5. 9/10. she was very enthusiastic and tried really hard to make it a special time.

one thing i did notice, was the lack of punters at the nep. sure, the ground floor beer bars had a few. and there were the usual array of far too old guys hobbling around attached to cute little walking heart attack inducers. but, the go-go's were very quiet, even the tried and true bars. between 2 and 5 punters in any of them. leaves a great choice, but business must be tough for the girls!

unless everyone was down at cowboy!

keep up the good work on the posts guys. this site is invaluable!

hope you're all still awake!

cheers.

ozz dude

[size=-2][b][u]editor's note[/u]:[/b] [blue]i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]click here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size]

[QUOTE=Meaty]So, there have been many, many answers as to why Thai ladies tend to dislike certain Indian nationals, smell, behaviour, cheap charlies, abusive, aggressive, (all of which could be applied to any nationality by the way), but i wonder if this article from the BBC could be another :D [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6161691.stm[/url]
Whilst the article is based on tests and facts, it's just a joke from me, so all you decent Indian bro's out there who have been contributing to the forum, peace out, this isn't aimed at you. I'm sure you could find an equally funny article about any nationality you want, if you wanted to.[/QUOTE]
No offence taken. In fact the Thai's wlcome smaller dicks. I wonder, however, do oriental men use customised condoms to suit their size?:D

The report in the article used a flawed study. 1200 men out of a population of 1.2 billion is hardly a representation of the dick sizes. A more sizable sampling needs to be done. Hmm…… I wonder if a delegation of TG's could be sent to India..........

Day Two:
After sending my average performing (but oh so cute) Tilac girl home in the morning, I was offered the opportunity to go back to the airport to meet an arriving friend. What seemed like such a good idea the day before held less allure at 8:30 in the morning, so I begged off.

I sampled the truly mediocre breakfast buffet at the RP (reminded me of another old buddy, when I commented on something we were eating being good, said "Good? It does not have to be good, it just has to make a turd. ")

It was by now, mid morning, and obviously time to hit the Biergarten on soi 7.

The descriptions on this forum have been all over the place, but I found it a reasonably relaxing place to knock one back and watch the comings and goings. After my pal arrived, we indeed headed back to gather some sample points on several occasions. Having discovered the joys of Nam Anao (only improved with a nice jigger of gin) I planned my afternoon assault, including, of course, showing my nose (if not my ass) Toxic on Soi 18.

After a very nice dinner at an excellent Thai restaurant (let the ladies order, trust me) I headed to soi 18 around 8 or so. Toxic is indeed at the very end of the soi, kind of a shame, as I am sure this hidden location limits the customers to people who know about it. Seems like a nice, stylish place, I wandered in, and sought out the boss and of course, enjoyed my first glance of one of the stunner cute bartenders. Sigh.

When the time came to find my company for the evening, the Toxic guy, the compleat host, was only too happy to offer me one of his girls rather than having troll Cowboy once again.

I then made my escape with my new friend back to the RP at about midnight.

While she was very cute, this girl (yes, I hear you Mick!) was just not going to suck dick. One tiny lick, and that was it. The rest of the service was fine however.

As for the ladies, I was 2 for 2 with average service. WTF? Is it me? The next night proved it was not.

[b]Day three: Bad luck streak broken.[/b]

Now THIS is what the LOS is all about.

Relaxed breakfast, a short stroll down to BG Soi 7 to meet up with my pal. Met a quite nice FL girl, but she was only interested in ST as she had family commitments, fair enough. I am becoming addicted to Nam Anao, and the Bier Garten serves them up very nice.


Time for some personal grooming, my friend suggested the place where he had his hair cut the other day, and I was not let down. Seven or eight lovely, friendly ladies.

I had, bar none, the finest shave of my life. It took her 35 minutes, and it was as decadent a luxury as I have ever experienced. Imagine sweet loving hands caressing your face, head and neck, while being gently shaved and massaged. soap, razor, balm... heaven.

At the same time, I had another lovely giving me a manicure, and yet another brave and beautiful soul (though she almost had to break out a chainsaw) doing a pedicure.

Never have I sat in such a comfortable barber´s chair. They also wisely place a nice pillow over your midsection as only a eunuch could stand all of this attention without a physiological reaction. About 45 minutes later, I am a puddle of relaxed (but well groomed) flesh sinking into the chair.

Time to leave. If I could have willed spontaneous and prolific hair, beard and nail growth, I think I would still be there. I think the damage was 500B total (yes, of course I tipped these angels.)

Sex can be found anywhere, only in bkk can your ablutions take this very pleasant form. I near floated back to the BG for yet another lime juice and contemplated my evening.

I had to laugh when a lady at the bg who was chatting with me examined my fingernails carefully, looked me right in the eye and said "hmmm, good." I agreed. ;)

After a very nice dinner with my friend, he suggested I dip my newly pedicured toe into the pool that is Nana.

No need to explain the place here, all too well documented, but my first impression was one of a more frenetic pace, slightly higher sleaze factor than SC, and some rather stunning aromas among the mutilated and inebriated at the entrance to NEP.

We hit, oh, I don´t know, about 3,000 bars, with about 10,000 ladies in attendance (damn, the stairwells bring new meaning to "back alley" ) and as I was to learn later, the selection that evening was sub-par as there had been a steady stream of talent leaving (obviously others share my philosophy: "barfine early, and often!")

There is one small thing, a tiny % of drunk morons were grabbing ankles (and other things) and really needed a tall glass of "whup ass" imho, but that is not the Thai way. Such patience, wasted on such idiots. Such is life.

We eventually made our way to SC where after hitting some high spots (talent was thin, and some of the "shows" were going on) I found my way to Sheba´s and discovered my BFN (bride for the night.)

Does anyone actually enjoy the "shows?" Well, not me. While I suppose vaginal smoking is a talent as such, it is not high on my list cultural attractions.

My Sheba girl safely barfined, I finished my Singha.

Now this was more like it. Very cute, very sweet, very talented between the sheets (note to self, turn OFF the AC before leaving, and you do not have to return to an icebox of a room.)

The lady was a mind reader, cuddling, but not a barnacle. Real sweetheart. Nice wake up and I send her on her way, fortified for my trip to the weekend market at Mo Chit.

I am really starting to like BKK.

Then, it happened...

As I did not have much luck hunting in BKK (see my recent report), I thought it might be interesting to make a statistical investigation based on some notes I have made for the last app. 50 girls with the aim to define a strategy for future activities.

I define the following 4 classes of girls: (P)rostitute, (B)argirl, (F)reelancer, (N)ormal girl and the following ratings for the overall experience (1) excellent, (2) normal, (3) bad.

Remarks:

- a P is a service provider based in a brother, massage parlour or similar etablisement or an obvious streetwalker
- a B works in a bar gets provison form lady drinks and has to be barfined,
- F and N need no explanation,
- the classification is not objective, there are grey zones between two classes
- the overall experience is rated, of this sex only is a part; in case of a short time P sex is a major part whereas in case of a two weeks relationship with a N it forms a less prominent part

With this definitions I reach the following average ratings (rounded):

P: 2.2
B: 2.0
F: 1.5
N: 1.2

The result does not require much interpretation, if we let normal girls apart as they are not always available, I in the past had best luck with freelancers, less luck with bargirls and no luck with prostitutes. My future strategy will therefore be to concentrate more on the categories where I had more luck in the past.

You are kidding right?

[QUOTE=Alfa Romeo]As I did not have much luck hunting in BKK (see my recent report), I thought it might be interesting to make a statistical investigation based on some notes I have made for the last app. 50 girls with the aim to define a strategy for future activities.

I define the following 4 classes of girls: (P)rostitute, (B)argirl, (F)reelancer, (N)ormal girl and the following ratings for the overall experience (1) excellent, (2) normal, (3) bad.

Remarks:

- a P is a service provider based in a brother, massage parlour or similar etablisement or an obvious streetwalker
- a B works in a bar gets provison form lady drinks and has to be barfined,
- F and N need no explanation,
- the classification is not objective, there are grey zones between two classes
- the overall experience is rated, of this sex only is a part; in case of a short time P sex is a major part whereas in case of a two weeks relationship with a N it forms a less prominent part

With this definitions I reach the following average ratings (rounded):

P: 2.2
B: 2.0
F: 1.5
N: 1.2

The result does not require much interpretation, if we let normal girls apart as they are not always available, I in the past had best luck with freelancers, less luck with bargirls and no luck with prostitutes. My future strategy will therefore be to concentrate more on the categories where I had more luck in the past.[/QUOTE]


Alfa, this is not particularly useful without detailed information on your sampling technique - was your sample random? what was the probability distribution of the population from which you drew your sample?, how you measured the result? (and what you observed as typical measurement error?), what your sample size was, standard deviation?, etc. And BTW, I DON'T really expect you to fill in these blanks.

Duniawala,

Another dick story again! Regardless of race and stats I have come to the conclusion that size of dicks is not based on race but genes. Now I'm not a big fella but many of my friends range in the 6'1 area and I have been told by a few girls that have done them that for their size they would expect them to have large dicks but have been told that they had small dicks compare to mines. Now I not bragging but just using a comparison. In my much younger days playing basketball and boys will be boys macho brovado, caught one of my black teammates checking me out in the shower, and I responded jokingly what the f--k you looking at " didn't you know from the waist down I was a brother. So as the story indicated it what you do with it that counts!

Well, fellas jokes aside have a very DickNewYear!

LBM

[QUOTE=Sporadic]

I am really starting to like BKK.

Then, it happened...[/QUOTE]

OK, good report; but, what happened?

Am I the only one that wants to know the name and location of this place? I mean, finding pussy is easy, but a good barber - that's hard, no matter what the city!

Cheers,
-Y, needing some personal grooming

[QUOTE=Sporadic]<...> Time for some personal grooming, my friend suggested the place where he had his hair cut the other day, and I was not let down. Seven or eight lovely, friendly ladies.

I had, bar none, the finest shave of my life. It took her 35 minutes, and it was as decadent a luxury as I have ever experienced. Imagine sweet loving hands caressing your face, head and neck, while being gently shaved and massaged. soap, razor, balm... heaven.

At the same time, I had another lovely giving me a manicure, and yet another brave and beautiful soul (though she almost had to break out a chainsaw) doing a pedicure.

Never have I sat in such a comfortable barber´s chair. They also wisely place a nice pillow over your midsection as only a eunuch could stand all of this attention without a physiological reaction. About 45 minutes later, I am a puddle of relaxed (but well groomed) flesh sinking into the chair.

Time to leave. If I could have willed spontaneous and prolific hair, beard and nail growth, I think I would still be there. I think the damage was 500B total (yes, of course I tipped these angels.)[/QUOTE]

Barbershop was right on Suk, about soi 9 or so. Sigh.

[b]Day Four: A new business opportunity![/b]

Having sent my first really good TBG home, I strolled down to the BGS7 as once again, I had missed breakfast at the RP.

Met my pal there, and I made a poor decision to have some breakfast at the BG. Not bad food per se, but in retrospect, a bad decision.

We headed to the sky train and secured two all day cards and duly boarded the next train headed towards the end of the line, Mo Chit.

No seats available, but it is not too long a journey. I did enjoy eavesdropping on a young European couple who were convinced nobody could understand their ramblings. I was sorely tempted to offer some advice to them when they left the train, namely "if you don´t like Thailand and the Thais, them go the fuck home."

I went to Thailand with my eyes open, and was still pleasantly surprised by what a nice place it can be, and how damned nice and tolerant the Thais are towards buffoon tourists like me. Nuf´ said.

We duly arrived at the weekend market and it was quite warm (or was it me?) A bustling place, reminded me of similar places I have been in EE, huge mounds of tat and other cheap goods, like a pre-historic Wall Mart.

I then began to feel certain rumblings deep in my soul. Was I connecting with the Thai way of life? Having a revelation? Was it the Bier Garten eggs? Oh how I wish it were so.

We walked through to the other end of the market and stopped for a lime juice, where the signals my body was sending me could no longer be confused or ignored. BTW, the weekend market is not the place to seek a bathroom.

I looked my pal right in the eye and admitted to him that if I did not find a taxi back to my hotel very, very soon, he was going to be stuck with an explosive friend on his hands (at least.) He kindly guided me to a taxi, where I piled in and mumbled "Soi 15, quickly please..." The taxi driver asked if I wanted the expressway. I reached for my wallet so fast he thought I had been bitten in the ass by a scorpion. Expressway it is, and mercifully, traffic was light all the way. He earned his tip, and after a three and a half hour ride in the lift to the eighth floor (well, it seemed that long to me, with seriously clenched butt cheeks), I found true love with "Korat", my room´s sanitary fixture.

35 fun-filled minutes later (and two false "that must be all of it" moments) I managed to drag myself down to the lobby shop to buy more water and struggle back to my room. While I have a prominent and stainless steel stomach, and years of travel experience, I foolishly thought Immodium would do the trick. Sadly no.

Perrier and company would have been proud of the crystal clear, pristine spring water I was expelling. This was not good.

Later that afternoon, when my pal called, I just could not move (well, my body anyway) out of my room so I spent the next 18 hours wearing a groove into the marble floor in a path from the bed to the bathroom to visit the all powerful "Korat" fixture.

After taking enough Immodium to actually stop my digestive process, the next morning, I could at least move, and felt up to a trip to Panthip plaza with my friend. While I was walking carefully, and drinking lots of water, I did indeed survive this trip. Neat place for a geek to browse.

Another lime juice at the BG and I was running a high fever and decided that antibiotics would be needed. I always carry a strip (5 days worth) of amoxicillin when I am on the road, and started the regimen that eventually allowed me to come back to life 16 or so hours later. I was not fit as a fiddle, but at least I was no longer source Perrier.

Ice in the drinks? Dirty glasses? Who knows.

Day six is next, where I discover a good side to dehydration.

I know that Chatuchak Market feeling well, out till 7am, slightly dodgy seafood :)

There are bathrooms at Chatuchak, but like public toilets in most of the world, might quite not meet your standards.

For any traveller it's good advice to carry a small pack of tissues /wet wipes anywhere, ready for that ominous rumble.

Many Europeans seem convinced their loud, expletive littered conversations on public transportation can't be understood. Even worse when they're bitching about the host country. I'd advise them it's normal for Thais to loudly curse the King at any minor inconvenience, and this helps get things sorted.


[QUOTE=Sporadic]....

I then began to feel certain rumblings deep in my soul. Was I connecting with the Thai way of life? Having a revelation? Was it the Bier Garten eggs? Oh how I wish it were so.

We walked through to the other end of the market and stopped for a lime juice, where the signals my body was sending me could no longer be confused or ignored. BTW, the weekend market is not the place to seek a bathroom.

[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ozz Dude]<cut>
She sat beside me and tried to have a conversaton. English was very poor, very poor even by bar-girl standard. So, bad she told me her name and I am damned if I know what she said, even though it was one syllable!
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[/QUOTE]
Hey, mi Aussie mate,

I have been speaking Thai for many years yet some girls' names are still a problem. Firstly some some girls' names are very strange to a westerner and difficult to hear correctly. Most nick names are only one syllable.
I once met a girl called "euay" and I won't even try to explain how to pronounce it.
In Suzi Wong bar I met Paula and Li (short for Mali and sounds like lick without the "ck"). Anyhow initially, due to the noisy environment and Thai pronunciation of english words, I thought the names were Cola and Liz, and I did ask for the names to be repeated.
Sometimes its just about impossible for us to get the names right and pronounce them correctly as well.
I know a girl called Gay, but if it is said with the wrong tone, then it comes out like meaning homosexual.

[QUOTE=Alfa Romeo]
I define the following 4 classes of girls: (P)rostitute, (B)argirl, (F)reelancer, (N)ormal girl and the following ratings for the overall experience (1) excellent, (2) normal, (3) bad.
Remarks:
- a P is a service provider based in a brother, massage parlour or similar etablisement or an obvious streetwalker
- a B works in a bar gets provison form lady drinks and has to be barfined,
- F and N need no explanation,
- the classification is not objective, there are grey zones between two classes
- the overall experience is rated, of this sex only is a part; in case of a short time P sex is a major part whereas in case of a two weeks relationship with a N it forms a less prominent part
With this definitions I reach the following average ratings (rounded):
P: 2.2
B: 2.0
F: 1.5
N: 1.2
The result does not require much interpretation, if we let normal girls apart as they are not always available, I in the past had best luck with freelancers, less luck with bargirls and no luck with prostitutes. My future strategy will therefore be to concentrate more on the categories where I had more luck in the past.[/QUOTE]
I find these categories of girls confusing.
Freelancer does indeed require clarification.
I thought a street-walker would be called Freelancer.
By Normal, I assume you mean girls who want sex for sex reasons only. No cash expected.
All the remaining girls are prostitutes of sorts, even though there are many prostitutes who are very choosy about who they will have sex with and feel they may as well get some desperately needed cash while intending to enjoy the sex immensely. Some of these may even go away with a guy they like for extended periods even if will get less cash than normal. They may want to have a good time more than make the most possible money.

I feel that how good the experience is, depends on 3 main factors, regardless of which category they are in:
1. The girls desire to have a good time and have the man have a good time as well. Of course if the man doesn't care if the girl will enjoy it, this can spoil the whole experience also.
2. The girls ability and experience.
3. Factors of compatibility and chemistry - A fantastic girl for one guy can be a dud for another.

Normal girls have the advantage in factor number 1, but outside that I find bar girls, massage girls, freelancers etc. all quite variable in character and performance, sometimes dependent on just attitude and experience. I have had good and ordinary girls in all 3 categories and can't distinguish.
However its easy to pick the wrong girl from a fish bowl because often no chance to chat first. Taking a long time to choose helps a little.
Even if choosing a girl from a fishbowl is difficult, the very best girls P4P I have ever had all came from MPs. These were girls with enough class to be capable of appearing normal. I have taken the odd away with me for my entire holiday beacuase they were just a "dream girl". One became my girlfriend for 3 years (but still failed in the end because I played up a little and she was a hot head).

I would never bother to look for a P4P girl born in my home country. Most are too business like. On the other hand I have had great times with European and Carribean girls. The attitude is mostly completely different to prostitutes back home. They really seem to like sex.
P.S.
If the girl is stunning and has a great body, its an added bonus. I personally have a weakness for wanting to fuck "dream girls"

Hi!

I'm going to Bangkok in the beginning of January and have booked a room for 2 at the Davis Bangkok. Anyone know if they're GF? Will there be a problem taking a girl with me (besides the extrafee they allways seem to charge)?

Thanks for great advice here on this page, you guys really know your way around. Let me just run by you a little ”to-do” list :

- Soapies : Annies and Poseidon ? Any other rec ?
- Pic ups at daytime : Beergarden ? other places ?
- Eden Club : will see the line-up and take it from there
- Soi Cowboy : Dejavu ? allthow I understand from ur advice that some girls circle around in the bars.
- What about Short time Hotels ? I read somewhere that entering one alone will get you and a room and a lineup of girls according to ones wishes/demands ? Also that there are younger girls there that the hotels own. Any comments ?

[QUOTE=Sporadic]Day Two:
<cut>
Having discovered the joys of Nam Anao (only improved with a nice jigger of gin) I planned my afternoon assault, including, of course, showing my nose (if not my ass) Toxic on Soi 18.
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[b]Day three: Bad luck streak broken.[/b]
<cut>
Then, it happened...[/QUOTE]
What a great idea.
Always enjoyed a Yeen Tonic (Gin & Tonic - preferably Gordons) with a touch of lime, and I'm also into lime juice (Nam Manao) with no salt and not much sugar, so how I never thought to add Gin, is really stupid of me.
Tip on bad luck with girls.
You go to the bar and pick up a girl. Don't leave it too late in the day.
If she wasn't that good, ditch her, and get another one.
You go to Massage Parlour, again leave time. If the girl wasn't that good, simply go for another round with another girl who is suddenly become available.
If the bars have closed and you still aren't satisfied, pick up a girl on the street. Just keep going until you are happy. Try not to let the day finish on a downer, although can take a large chunk out of the day. You should get at least one fabulous sex session per day and preferebly more.
Bad luck doesn't last for ever in LOS.

Mick,

When I first had a Thai lime juice (it would appear that they do not distinguish lemons from limes) I knew it would be a perfect mixer.

I am glad to have contributed something!

About the luck, not a problem, I did not go to Thailand to carve notches in my dick, and the laid back, relaxed attitude is just what I needed.

Shit happens, everywhere.

The trip was a complete success, I had a great time, harmed nobody and relaxed for a change.

[QUOTE=Sporadic]The trip was a complete success, I had a great time, harmed nobody and relaxed for a change.[/QUOTE]Sporadic - You harmed nobody for a change?!! ;)

Mick - knowing Sporadic, I'm sure his trip was a great success (but I'm worried about those notches on his dick). :D

Day Six.

Having returned somewhat to the land of the living, it was time to get out and check off a "must do."

Starting my day at the BGS7 has become quite the habit, and after reading so many reports slagging the place off, I began to wonder wonder, why?

Granted, it is not a 5 star dining or drinking experience, and though the lovely decor ("#32 WeinerSchnitzel!" posters come to mind) does leave something to be desired, I really like the ethos of the place. A commons where at any given time you can find a little slice of life to go with your lime juice.

Another forum member was lamenting the "changes" (a roof) a while back, that had killed the charm of the place. While I find it difficult to find corrugated steel charming in almost any form, I still like the place.
There is however, a serious need for a decent HVAC engineer in BKK.
The place could be cool if they did more than blast the hot ceiling air back down on the downtrodden, but I digress.

Several Lime juices later, my friend and I have hatched a plan. In deference to my still somewhat delicate digestive condition, he agrees to a taxi to Silom. It only took two, as the first one required a combat bailout after three meters, as Mr. Taxi decided the meter was not a required item on this trip.

The second taxi was a winner, and was really appreciative of my buddy´s consideration on where he could drop us off, we walked a whopping extra 200 meters and the taxi did not have to wait in 30 minutes worth of traffic. Smiles all around.

We stopped at a little bar (nothing more than a counter really) in front of the S.O.L. (Star of Light BJ bar) and got mildly involved in a Japanese soap opera dubbed into Thai. Suitably fortified (one more lime juice and a bottle of water, I was still dehydrated) we then decamped to SOL.

I frankly thought the place would be bigger, but was just glad it was not any smaller.

Some pleasant ladies about, one other customer there besides us. While enjoying my icy-cold Singha, I was being attended by a nice young lady who showed a brilliant sense of humor. This place could have come off as seedy and unpleasant, but I found it welcoming and easy going.

The other customers (one or two) kept to the unwritten "urinal laws" (no staring, mind your own business) and it seemed the most natural thing in the world to pop in for a beer and a bj. I am really starting to like BKK now.
Besides, where else can you buy your friend a BJ as easily as a beer?

My young lady and I stepped back into the VIP room (bathroom) where I was settled on my triangular cushioned throne. What runs through one´s mind as you sit in a SEA bathroom, sucking on a cold beer while being serviced?
"Life is good" is what occured to me.

The girl has talent (though not truly well-trained GF class) and a wonderful work ethic. After while, I can feel the end coming (sorry!) and while I enjoy a nice CIM, it would appear that the dehydration has reduced my load to a tiny trickle, and said lady presumes I have yet to finish. Score one point for dehydration.

In recognition of her skills, my member never really goes flaccid, and after another 5 minutes is again at full attention. By this time, the lady is getting tired, and worried. So far, two others have popped in to inquire if I wanted a second lady (I did not) and after a couple wishful-thinking moments, I realized that the earth was just not going to move again for me right then.

I disengaged the lady, and she was heartbroken. She was actually worried that she had failed me. I did not see myself explaining the consequences of dehydration to her at the time, or in that setting, so I just thanked her profusely and returned to the bar. I, of course, bought her a drink and she gave me company for another 10 minutes until I settled the bill and departed with my pal.

Another taxi back to Soi 15 and it was just the right time for a legit traditional massage. Nice place, nice rooms, nice girls, 265 Baht for 2 hours. Nice. I must have been quite the sight, spilling out of the proffered robe (hey, the pants fit anyway) and we began our journey.

This place having been described to me as a "legit" massage joint, I was amused when my lady began paying extra attention to my balls and giving me a quizzical look. Sign language all the way (only a curtain around us, silence is golden), happy ending 500 Baht. Why not?
Well, she certainly had to work for it, but on the bright side, there was very little to clean up! Another score for dehydration!

Time for a nap before dinner. After another astoundingly good and inexpensive Thai meal, we found ourselves back at Soi Cowboy, earlier this time, avoiding the last minute rush. After visiting a few go-go´s we landed at the Doll house.

I found myself faced with a real sweetheart. We chatted a bit, negotiated LT and I sent her off to pay the bar and change clothes. When she returned, she was even better looking, hot, hot, hot. We departed after finishing our drinks and once again, stopped by country roads (this time on Soi 19) for a little late supper for the BFN.

What followed was unpleasant, distasteful, and thank goodness, not representative of BKK bar girls.

Put simply, she did not want to perform. She tried to play the "I am cold" game, then the "I am asleep" game. Then the "I will do the bare minimum" game. I may have been new to BKK, but I am not new to the hobby. I told her she was free to leave. Her only question was "what will you pay me?"

After explaining that normally payment has something to do with services rendered, and since none had been offered, none was due. She asked for full payment. I smiled. She then asked for 1,500 Baht. a shake of the head... One thousand?

Look, sweetheart, out of the goodness of my heart, and because for almost two minutes, you DID have my dick in your mouth (to little effect) I will give you 500 baht just to leave. (and we Do pay them to leave, not for sex.)

She decided this was the best offer, and took it. Have a nice life.

After I had rid myself of this viper, it was too late (or was I just too old) to head down for the closing ceremonies at Nana, and I did not feel like "dialing for dollars" with an escort.

I was still a little wiped out from my previous gastric stress, so I decided that going to sleep was the best option, after all, I had already been SOL´ed and rub and tugged today, so all was not lost.

The next morning dawned bright and shiny, but I was running out of time. Day seven is next.

from my 2005 collection.

along suk rd. caught these two issan friends between bars. said they were on the way to bg7 – looked interesting for a 3 some, there was some physical contact between them already. anyhow, had my share of 'shots' earlier in the day, had a nap and was feeling wide awake. the older one (in black-call her ae) seem to be mostly in charge, here i’m thinking, ok, older one little more experienced but the other one definitely cuter (forgot name but probably bee), could lead to a good experience – more later.

so we strode along suk for a while chatting in what broken english we could put together, didn’t realize how late it was getting – but the food stalls were being setup along the sidewalk. we picked a table, ae took the lead, asked what i wanted and quickly in thai had the order, asked if she and her friend could also order some f&d, i’m thinking – ok some manners here, not all are sharks. so far not bad, ae was as a tgf (learn other women of the world) would do – she would peel the shrimp for me, separate out the burnt/fat bits, would replenish my drink, i really did not lift a muscle other than talk, chew and the occasional stroke on these ladies, all this time bee is definitely the quieter one (still learning, watching). when the bill came, i just handed a 500 note to ae. she returned with 200+ change. wow – and honest too, i’m thinking to myself.

ok, were fed, hydrated and ready to retire to some horizontal activities. so off thru the hotel we go. still no money terms yet. never had a problem w/ladies at hotel, but also never returned with two either. it was late, must be past 2am, minimal staff, but stopped at elevator desk, porter check my room – no 3rd person. look, i said, no problem, it’s late, handed him a 100note – he waid us, took the girls id and wished us a good night. turns out a good move – later.

up in the room, you will see in pic133, some playfulness happening, girls can ‘interact’. typical thai girl, will not shower together, dispite with encouragements of the fun we could have with the foamy bath soap i had brought along. ok, i shower first, ae would be next. so ae joins me in bed while bee heads for the shower. light play between the sheets, i was waiting for some les action. must be 10 mins, i get up, bee has showerd but waiting in the bathroom. reluctently she joins us, but on the other side of the bed, still in her towel. remove towel, try to get the girls to sandwich me, but bee can not despite some words in thai from ae. at this point, i realize this fantasy would not work, i got up, asked the girls to leave. ok, dressesd ready to go, ae asks for 2000 (forgot)? i say for what? i f&d you, we had a nice walk, but we did nothing. she asks 500 for taxi money. boy, they can become sharks no? not my first time i’m here, definitely not a overly rich jap tourist. so i pull out the other 100 bill and some coins leftover from the foodstall, here you go & goodnight and goodluck (remember in thailand, always keep a smile & wish well on sendoffs, my rule anyway). down the lift they go, phone rings – wtf? porter calls to make sure i’m alright before handing id’s back, (they had not called during other sendoffs). i and thank him give him the ok. subsequently this same porter treated me utmostly more respectfull during the rest of my stay.

so the end to this story is, dispite how much pre-sesssion investing and proper treatment, never a 'garentee'. always be prepared to move on (with a smile of course).

[QUOTE=Erikhansen]Hi!

I'm going to Bangkok in the beginning of January and have booked a room for 2 at the Davis Bangkok. Anyone know if they're GF? Will there be a problem taking a girl with me (besides the extrafee they allways seem to charge)?

Thanks for great advice here on this page, you guys really know your way around. Let me just run by you a little ”to-do” list :

- Soapies : Annies and Poseidon ? Any other rec ?
- Pic ups at daytime : Beergarden ? other places ?
- Eden Club : will see the line-up and take it from there
- Soi Cowboy : Dejavu ? allthow I understand from ur advice that some girls circle around in the bars.
- What about Short time Hotels ? I read somewhere that entering one alone will get you and a room and a lineup of girls according to ones wishes/demands ? Also that there are younger girls there that the hotels own. Any comments ?[/QUOTE]
The Davis Bangkok is a quite nice place, and from what I've heard, it's girl friendly, but the shame of it is that the location is somewhat out of the way for the dedicated hobbiest - It's around 1 KM to Sukhumvit via soi 24, so you will certainly be taking lots of tuk tuks and taxis. I considered staying there during a couple of my visits, but I personally have concluded that location in closer proximity to the action is more important for me - so I generally go for the Majestic Grande or Dynasty Grande as places that are in the same general quality/price level as the Davis. But while the Davis may be a bit nicer hotel than either of these, it is certainly located further from the lady venues you will be frequenting.

[QUOTE=Member #2041]The Davis Bangkok is a quite nice place, and from what I've heard, it's girl friendly[/QUOTE]

I posted a report about the Davis recently (probably the Bangkok Hotels subforum) which has the requisite info... Nice place but definitely a bit out of the way; but plenty of taxis going past. When returning to the hotel it might be easier to show your room card 'cos half the taxi drivers have never heard of the place, and the other half pronounce it as "Dawit".

One thing I didn't realise until the other day is that it belongs to the Davis Group of Chuwit Kamolvisit, who owns some massage places in the Ratchadaphisek area and is a fairly (in)famous figure.

[QUOTE=Gaienmae]...
One thing I didn't realise until the other day is that it belongs to the Davis Group of Chuwit Kamolvisit, who owns some massage places in the Ratchadaphisek area and is a fairly (in)famous figure.[/QUOTE]Gaienmae,

Chuwit own[b]ed[/b] those massage places. He sold them and built the Davis.


Giotto

I am planning a business trip to BKK, and I need to set up a meeting place that is central to all.
From past trips to BKK I believe that the Ava Bar on Soi 11 would suit our purposes, however I haven't seen much recent reporting on this forum on the set up there, as far as girls, general layout and drinks go.
Anyone got any recent experiences/info they would like to share on the Ava Bar?

Thanks.

TKM

[QUOTE=The Kman]I am planning a business trip to BKK, and I need to set up a meeting place that is central to all.
From past trips to BKK I believe that the Ava Bar on Soi 11 would suit our purposes, however I haven't seen much recent reporting on this forum on the set up there, as far as girls, general layout and drinks go.
Anyone got any recent experiences/info they would like to share on the Ava Bar?

Thanks.

TKM[/QUOTE]

Kman,

What's the purpose of the meeting place and the location? Not that I want to be too nosey. Do you want to have enough girls so everyone has someone to take home? Do you want the girls as just eye candy? Do you want great service, drinks and great food? A place where it's easy to hear each other talk? Do you want everyone at one table? How big a group? 4 people can be accomodated almost anywhere, but 20 will take some planning.

If you are more specific, then I think someone can fill you in with the info you are seeking and better yet, may come up with a much better alternative!

AT2

[QUOTE=Sporadic]Day Six.
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Several Lime juices later, my friend and I have hatched a plan. In deference to my still somewhat delicate digestive condition, he agrees to a taxi to Silom. It only took two, as the first one required a combat bailout after three meters, as Mr. Taxi decided the meter was not a required item on this trip.

We stopped at a little bar (nothing more than a counter really) in front of the S.O.L. (Star of Light BJ bar) and got mildly involved in a Japanese soap opera dubbed into Thai. Suitably fortified (one more lime juice and a bottle of water, I was still dehydrated) we then decamped to SOL.

I frankly thought the place would be bigger, but was just glad it was not any smaller.

Some pleasant ladies about, one other customer there besides us. While enjoying my icy-cold Singha, I was being attended by a nice young lady who showed a brilliant sense of humor. This place could have come off as seedy and unpleasant, but I found it welcoming and easy going.

The other customers (one or two) kept to the unwritten "urinal laws" (no staring, mind your own business) and it seemed the most natural thing in the world to pop in for a beer and a bj. I am really starting to like BKK now.
Besides, where else can you buy your friend a BJ as easily as a beer?

The girl has talent (though not truly well-trained GF class) and a wonderful work ethic. After while, I can feel the end coming (sorry!) and while I enjoy a nice CIM, it would appear that the dehydration has reduced my load to a tiny trickle, and said lady presumes I have yet to finish. Score one point for dehydration.

I disengaged the lady, and she was heartbroken. She was actually worried that she had failed me. I did not see myself explaining the consequences of dehydration to her at the time, or in that setting, so I just thanked her profusely and returned to the bar. I, of course, bought her a drink and she gave me company for another 10 minutes until I settled the bill and departed with my pal.
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Well I am not sure its "dehydration". You were downing lime juices and water.
After several days of full on fucking I experience the "fucked right out" syndrome. Very difficult to come and not much sperm comes out if too many sessions (I ain't young anymore and stamina is reduced).

Vitamin C (Cialis) can help keep it up for very extended periods (fuck marathons) but doesn't help with the orgasm that much.
There are various herbal vitamin pills on sale that do seem to work in increasing come fluid volume. I found one called "Wild" effective.
But there may be better ones. eventually after several days of fucking my brains out, I have to slow down to really only 2 sessions per day, or just accept that not every sex session will result in orgasm. Its no big deal for me.
I sometimes wish that I could come a little more easily (but not too quickly) for the sake of not killing the girl before I get there. On the other hand some girls just move their body in such a way that I never fail to get there with that girl given a reasonable recharge period.

So I suggest: Plenty of sleep, cut down the alcohol (or even try going tee-totaller on just some days), plenty of fluids, do it early in the day, cut the number of sex sessions per day a little, try one of the herbal pills that assist "mens function" (come fluid), choose known girls that perform brilliantly, and finally enjoy the full sex session (even if orgasm is weak or non-existant).

Don't bother to try to explain lack of an orgasm to a girl. The true reason is generally "too much sex" already. Not sure the girl wants to hear the truth here.

Survey of Thai girls from my last trip. You can tell I had unusally large free time from the girlfriend.

2 girls from some bars in Nana, but picked at on the street food stall.
1 from Morning Night
1 Deva Vu
1 Suzie Wong
1 Long Gun
2 Shark
2 Chaopraya I
2 Tarawadee
1 Darling
2 Plaza
2 Eden
So thats 8 bar girls, 2 Eden, 7 MP girls.
Eden are just about guaranteed good performers but not stunning.
Of the MP girls, 2 were fantastic, 1 good, 2 average, 2 well below average.
Of the bar girls, 1 fantastic, 1 great, 4 good, and 2 well below average but were part of a 3some where the other girl was good.
Conclusion its easier to make mistakes when choosing MP girls from the fish bowl, but the the really fantastic MP girls make up for the difficulty.
Some are so good, they could be converted to a girlfriend where as most bar girls could not be.

In the past, I had very few failures at MP Chaopraya II, as the cheer lady knew very well what girls I would like, but its hard to find a cheer person that is a reliable adviser.

My monering highlight was Bam from Plaza 2nd floor sideline.
Just fabulous if a little too young.

I just turned on the news here in the US and they are saying some bombs just went off in Bangkok. I guess all of our fears about the southern problems moving north may have happened.

There don't appear to be too many details out yet. Hopefully someone there will let us know what is really going on.

Here is the initial CNN report:

BANGKOK, Thailand (CNN) -- At least four explosions have ripped through several areas of downtown Bangkok wounding at least 12 people, police say.

Sunday's blasts came as residents prepared to celebrate New Year's Eve at midnight (noon ET).

Chief government spokesman Yongyud Maiyalab warned people to be cautious but not to panic.

One blast occurred at a mall near the Victory Monument in the center of the Thai capital, Reuters reported.

There was no immediate claim of responsibility

7 bombs exploded in Bangkok a few hours ago. We still don't know anything about the background of this stupid nonsense.

The Nation: [URL]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2006/12/31/headlines/headlines_30022985.php[/URL]

Military is on the roads. The main countdown celebration at WTC is cancelled.

Here in the upper Sukhumvit Road area everything is quiet.


Giotto

[QUOTE=The Kman]I am planning a business trip to BKK, and I need to set up a meeting place that is central to all.
From past trips to BKK I believe that the Ava Bar on Soi 11 would suit our purposes, however I haven't seen much recent reporting on this forum on the set up there, as far as girls, general layout and drinks go.
Anyone got any recent experiences/info they would like to share on the Ava Bar?

Thanks.

TKM[/QUOTE]

Kman,

Here's a list to get the conversation going. Maybe one of these will suit your needs. If Ava is what you are looking at, then it looks like you are aiming for casual.

Absolute 7 Bar - Sukhumvit 7/1
I've always visited this place late evening. Not sure what it's like around dinner.
[url]Http://absolute7bar.ssbkk.com/[/url]

Gullivers Tavern - Sukhumvit 5
Nice place, but does not pick up until later in the evening.
[url]Http://www.gulliverbangkok.com/index2.html[/url]

Jools - Sukhumvit Soi 4
Not sure of the website, but popular with Expats and very close to the action.

Hillary Bar or Hillary Bar 2
Just a simple pool bar, but it's right across NEP if that's where you are headed.
[url]Http://www.hillarybar.com/[/url]
[url]Http://www.poolinbangkok.com/archives/2005/06/hillary_bar_2.html[/url]

Poseidon Soapie
For a different experience, meet at the restaraunt/bar at this huge soapie and then make your way up to the fishbowl after you have had time to digest the meal. I would suggest eating light!

In case you are interested in more upscale places, there's Spasso at the Grand Hyatt, Q-Bar, Bed Supper Club, Diplomat Bar at the Conrad hotel, and V9 at the Sofitel Silom. The V9 has a great view. There's another bar overlooking the city, but the name escapes me right now. These places may not have the "central location" that you are looking for. There's also the Thaniya Plaza bars if you are Japanese and the Soi 33 Artists Bars if you are not. Again, they are a bit off the beaten path.

The list can go on and on. BKK has an endless supply of bars and "meeting" places in the Sukhumvit area, so I'm sure you will find something that meets your requirements.

AT2

[QUOTE=The Kman]I am planning a business trip to BKK, and I need to set up a meeting place that is central to all.
From past trips to BKK I believe that the Ava Bar on Soi 11 would suit our purposes, however I haven't seen much recent reporting on this forum on the set up there, as far as girls, general layout and drinks go.
Anyone got any recent experiences/info they would like to share on the Ava Bar?

Thanks.

TKM[/QUOTE]

Check also, Livingstones Lodge on Soi 33. Very nice private atmosphere with Great food, Ambience, and Girls. Not to mention the Host! Look in asia forum for Thailand-Giottos Lodge

[QUOTE=Rikusa]Check also, Livingstones Lodge on Soi 33. Very nice private atmosphere with Great food, Ambience, and Girls. Not to mention the Host! Look in asia forum for Thailand-Giottos Lodge[/QUOTE]

Rikusa,

From what I hear, it's the hostess that deserves kudo's, but that's just what I hear. That lucky bestard!

AT2

Thread Starter.

i'll arrive in bkk about 10am, jan 2. by the time i settle into the dungeon at giottos' lodge, have a shower and breakfast, it'll be midday. time to finally check out the infamous eden club.

can i take one or two of the girls to playboy hotel or peep inn? i like the idea of the sex chairs.

evil penevil - it's all your fault. ;)

WOW,

4 before Midnight and 3 after. Some deaths and serious injuries. One went off right by Pratunum by the Klong Tuey Bridge near that seafood restaurant.

One in Kao San road, where all the Backpackers go.

fugg-it.....I'm more scared of the methed out cabbies, or having klong water thrown in my face during the songkran. If I was an expat I'd be more scared of an ex-bargirl wife poisoning me to cash in.

[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]WOW,

4 before Midnight and 3 after. Some deaths and serious injuries. One went off right by Pratunum by the Klong Tuey Bridge near that seafood restaurant.

One in Kao San road, where all the Backpackers go.

fugg-it.....I'm more scared of the methed out cabbies, or having klong water thrown in my face during the songkran. If I was an expat I'd be more scared of an ex-bargirl wife poisoning me to cash in.[/QUOTE]
Based on some sources,The Jammah Islamia forces under pressure from US,Philippine and Indonesian Security forces have decided to relocate to somewhere friendlier with less security.I am sure that Thailand and Bangkok will eventually adapt to the new Security enviroment.Expect the Security. Metal detectors,Bomb sniffer Dogs that are standard in Philippine Malls and Hotels.But you get used to it.Happy new year

While walking around the extremely busy food court of Siam Paragon last Saturday night, the thought occurred to me how easy it would be for some crazie to create havoc. 100% security is almost impossible with all those people in one place. If the situation gets more serious as Cebu Local suggests, then I would pick and choose my play spots more carefully.

On the other hand, I agree with BuleDaddy that it is a matter of relative safety or danger. On my way to the airport last night just before the bombings, my cab driver was:
-Driving a car with extremely poor shocks and brake pads so worn I could hear metal rubbing against metal.
-Driving like a race car driver weaving in & out of traffic.
-Tailgating like a dare-devil.

As we approached the airport I felt my chances of survival rapidly improving the closer we got and as traffic thinned. During that ride I would have felt safer standing in front of the Central World Plaza. Then finally, I had to direct the nit-wit to "Departures" when he was about to veer towards "Arrivals".

Does anyone know about the possibility of a subway or Skytrain extension to the airport? Just wishful thinking I guess.

[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]WOW,

4 before Midnight and 3 after. Some deaths and serious injuries. One went off right by Pratunum by the Klong Tuey Bridge near that seafood restaurant.

One in Kao San road, where all the Backpackers go.

fugg-it.....I'm more scared of the methed out cabbies, or having klong water thrown in my face during the songkran. If I was an expat I'd be more scared of an ex-bargirl wife poisoning me to cash in.[/QUOTE]
Media reported:
One bomb at Pratunam Pier on Saen Saeb Canal bridge (Ratchaprarop Road) near "Best Sea Foods" also just north of World Trade Centre and Big C. I'm not sure that this little bridge is likely to be called 'Khlong Toey bridge' as Khlong Toey area is South of Sukhumwit road and East of the Expressway down to the port and doesn't come as far as Pratunam (however could be quite wrong since I don't know the name of the bridge)
Also a bomb just down the road in public phone box near pedestrian overpass between Kaysorn Plaza and Central World Plaza (was called World Trade Centre)
Also a bomb at Chinese temple in Khlong Toey
Also at the Victory Monument
and others.

The RR right of way is still there but no rail line was built. They blame it on the '98 economic crisis but in reality they would never deprive the drivers that ride to the airport, where they get a nice fare out and nice return fare. The same goes with any airport in the p4p world that I can think of. In the PI, they dismantled all the trains except for about 1,000 kilometers on Luzon.

But right seafood restaurant. Great intersection there at Pratunum. At the Indra Grand they have the best Irish Coffees.

[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]The RR right of way is still there but no rail line was built. They blame it on the '98 economic crisis but in reality they would never deprive the drivers that ride to the airport, where they get a nice fare out and nice return fare. The same goes with any airport in the p4p world that I can think of. In the PI, they dismantled all the trains except for about 1,000 kilometers on Luzon.[/QUOTE]

?? The railroad runs by the Donmuang airport on the other side of the road. In fact, there is a train stop right there (of course, the SCHEDULE leaves a little to be desired) just go out of the terminal, turn right and cross over the overpass and over the tracks to get there (of course with the airport shut down for pax, it won't do a lot of good) you mean SKYTRAIN??

[QUOTE=Ralph Kramden]

Does anyone know about the possibility of a subway or Skytrain extension to the airport? Just wishful thinking I guess.[/QUOTE]

It's in the works but won't be done for a couple of years The airport station will be underground at "gate 8" inside by the food court

A problem shared is, well, a problem.

I'll be in Bangkok for 5 days in Feb and I have the following carnal choices:

- I can fly in a cutie from Vietnam who will give me the whole GFE live-in experience. Very attractive and there is guaranteed service for the whole time. Although not of the highest standard, but its there on demand. And damn, she loves walking round the hotel room in nothing more than a pair of panties. Overall cost probably equivalent to 3 days to find and catch a bar girl. To add confusion, I'm quite fond of her.

- Or enjoy yet again the sensations (sight, sound, taste and feel) of Bangkok unfettered. With that comes the offer of GFE experiences from a cute girl from Dollhouse I've kept in contact with as well as the chance to re-acquiant with a couple or 3 of BG trysts from September and a previous FR. And the chance to roam freely thru BG, Soi Cowboy and other new haunts I've seen reported. But no fucks guaranteed.

Decisions, decisions.

BTW. Any comments on Natural Ville Apartments, Patumwan?

Pulse

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Well I am not sure its "dehydration". You were downing lime juices and water...[/quote]By my non-scientific count, I expelled around 35 liters of pristine mineral water out my ass. I drank four liters of bottled water, and had 8 12 oz. lime juices (some fortified with Gin) and lost 8 pounds. Trust me, it was dehydration. The old medical saw, "if you don´t have to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url], you are dehydrated" is germane. I had gone two days without [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112][CodeWord112][/url].

[quote]So I suggest: Plenty of sleep, cut down the alcohol (or even try going tee-totaller on just some days)[/quote]I enjoy sleep, good advice. Booze? Heresy my dear forum mate! Why sacrifice one elixer of life for another? ;)

[quote]...plenty of fluids, do it early in the day, cut the number of sex sessions per day a little, try one of the herbal pills that assist "mens function" (come fluid), choose known girls that perform brilliantly, and finally enjoy the full sex session (even if orgasm is weak or non-existant).[/QUOTE]
Well, I guess if I was worried about impressing the ladies with my ejaculate, that would be good advice. Simple me, I just want to enjoy myself. ;)
While it IS very nice to truly empty an over-filled sack, orgasm is not the problem, regardless the amount of ejaculate. YMMV.

I agree that multiple shots are more of a chore after a certain age, but within the last year, I have had a provider extract 5 in an 18 hour period. While this may seem unimpressive to some, to me, without having to resort to vitamin V, five was one hell of a number. I am not 18 ( or 35 ) anymore. :)

Day Seven, the penultimate.

Someone once (sorry, I don´t remember who) had written that you should book an Eden girl for your first and last day in Bangkok, thus ensuring a pleasant start and a pleasant ending to your trip. Damned good advice.

In my case, while I did not start my trip with an Eden lady, I was certainly going to finish with one.

After reading so much about the Eden club, I suspected I would find what I was looking for. While one could take 16 ladies, a bag of Viagra and a lifetime´s worth of fantasy from the Eden club, I was looking for nothing more than excellent service.

Awakening (missed breakfast again) at a decent hour, once again, I met my friend at the Bier Garten Soi 7. My only tasks for the day were meeting up with my buddy, picking up some shirts and pants from George the tailor on Soi 15 (Highly recommended) and booking an Eden lady for my last night in BKK.

The BGS7 was, as always, a treasure of human experience. Forget the UN, BGS7 shows that we all can "just get along."

Some of these girls are absolute treasures. I actually found myself trying to negotiate a barfine for my friend. The girl played along wonderfully. I extolled his virtues, and she was charmed, but sadly "would have to go to ATM machine" to get his barfine money.

Laughing my ass off (this woman was a gem) we all had a lively and enjoyable conversation. Thailand embodied, in one lady who knew how to laugh at the absurd. I now think I understand the concept of sanook. Indeed, an American punter sitting next to me (good heart, if nosy) interjected that my friend should not be paying barfines here (thank you Mr. Obvious!) and I had to explain to him that we were negotiating my friend´s barfine, not hers! Again, a good laugh all around.

If this kind of situation exists in any other part of the world, please let me know. It was a BKK moment worth remembering.

What the heck is it that causes some to want to build a lifelong friendship, including detailed life history exchanges based upon nothing more than the fact that we are both hoisting a drink at noon? I have no doubt that this was a fine man etc, but what possessed him to try to become my bosom buddy in five minutes is beyond me.

Another amazing discovery was the 39 year old girl (!) and yes, her ID card checked out. While I am no carnival age guesser, I would have said 27, tops. I appreciate that Asian ladies can look quite a bit younger than they actually are, but goodness me, what a lovely lady, with a (clothed) very young looking body. At the other end of the scale, I saw a few little spinners who looked to be about 14, one of whom was attached to a man resembling my (long dead) grandfather. Yikes.

We then departed for Soi 7/1 and the Eden club. I failed to mention it before in these reports that I had stopped by the Boo-Sa-Bar (right next to the Eden Club) and found it to be a relaxed and very pleasant place to have a drink. One of the girls was only too happy to run to the nearest 7/11 to buy me a top-up card for my 1-2-Go Sim card, and the owner was a very pleasant gent who flattered me by suggesting I was Canadian.

You really can run into some seriously nice folks in BKK.

At all events, we entered the famous Eden club. Described as "small," I found it palatial compared to the likes of the SOL.
After reading so much about it, I wondered if it would be an intimidating place. Not at all. Having read about guys walking back and forth without entering, fearing the jeers from the street, I can only posit that they were feeling very sheepish or are seriously repressed. If anyone paid me the slightest attention on Soi 7/1, it was bargirls attempting to tempt me, nobody else, or a guy on a motorcycle trying to hit me.

OK, to be brutal about it, there were no total stunners in evidence, BUT, I did see a healthy pack of nice, friendly, cute TG´s, all of whom had at least a decent smile for a sad sack like me.

After explaining that no, I had not been there before, and that yes, I did understand the concept, the lineup happened in moments ( I did not bother with a drink) and I became seriously concerned... who do you pick? Marc and Bruce were absent, and though the Mamasan was very pleasant, I did not want to enter into negotiations with 15 girls waiting on my sorry ass. Besides, I did not have any really specific needs to be filled, I was not in the market for midget triplets who will let me fondle their toes. Twins would have been sufficient.

The famous yellow line was not too useful to me personally since anal is not any kind of priority with me, and besides, the left side girls were way the hell and gone at the end of the bar, while the righties were in a nice semi-circle around me. Not wanting to look like an inspecting officer, reviewing the troops, I spent perhaps 2 minutes scanning the available ladies. I had a nice smile on my face, but to be honest, I was not looking for any "come hither" looks from the girls.

This may sound brutal, but since I knew they were all capable of excellent service, I was less than concerned with what they wanted, and simply chose someone who pleased my eye. I also knew, though they did not, that I was a harmless type, and was not going to hurt them in any way (beyond them having to sleep with me, torture enough.)

I picked a nice looking girl from the right of the yellow line by asking the mamasan if the third from the right would be amenable to an overnight with your humble servant. I have no idea if there was any option on her part, but I did make the request in that format. If she had demurred, I would not have been at all put off. I could not understand the short conversation between the mamsan and the lady, but it did seem to take the form of a question, not a command.

It would appear the young lady was agreeable to my offer. The mamasan offered me the possibility to either pay now or in the hotel, and with my keen sense of the obvious fully intact, I knew she preferred to be paid right then and there. The reputation of the establishment was such that I had no problem forking over the 3k Baht (still floors me, the value for money on offer here) on the spot. I smiled at the chosen lady, bade her farewell for now, and left with a good premonition. Later, I was proved correct in my snap assessment.

By now, it was time for a pre-dinner nap. Dinner was scheduled for an earlier than normal hour as I now had my Eden booking for 10pm at my hotel. NB. The bookings for outcall are strictly 10pm until 6am. More about this later.

Dinner at the Big Mango ( I really like this place.) Decent burger, and the ham and cheese spring rolls were an interesting fusion treat. I especially liked the nice attitude of the service girls, not hassling anyone for drinks (but happy to take one) and just being pleasant company though never intrusive. The view over the zoo is worth it too.

I really enjoyed observing all the bg´s stopping by the shrine (s) before heading off to work. I found myself wondering exactly what were they praying for? and I reflected again on the visible human side to this daunting place of business. Later, my reverent philosophical bubble was well and truly burst when I was reliably informed that they were praying, in the main, for "good money tonight" and "good luck," in the form of "good money tonight." So much for world peace and social justice.

Next it was off to Soi Cowboy again for a drink and an eyeful. I had been prodded to complain to the Doll House over the dud BG from the other night, and in the end, I was glad I did. I got the feeling that this particular lady is not unknown for such antics. The Mamasan (actually an extremely light on his feet young man) was more than helpful, and refunded my barfine from the other night without question. I was impressed. Sadly, this was not all down to me, but to the connections my friend had, which lent veracity to my tale of woe. Ended up fine in any case. They did the right thing, and so did I.

I will not "out" this girl in the FR simply because I feel the problem will be dealt with. If you are seriously concerned about the potential dud in the Doll house, PM me and I will give you her name, number and a link to her photo.

Interestingly, it was suggested to me that if I really wanted a nicer girl, they were to be found at Nana vice Cowboy. This sort of went against my intuition (more tourist types, if that is possible, at NEP imho) but my impeccable source was quite serious. Hmm, something to contemplate for next trip.

I also posed a question about the ping-pong ball thing. I thought it was degrading, watching girls scramble for 20 baht tokens, just a little to high and mighty for my tastes, but the response from my expert local was typically Thai-pragmatic. These girls are not very sophisticated (beyond their obvious go-go "spot and milk the ATM" skills) and this was just a little extra money for them (very little) and broke up the monotony of the pole shuffle a little bit. Ok, I was wrong, got to keep things in context.

I was now headed back to the RP to turn off the AC in anticipation of the arrival of my Eden girl.


I will continue this FR as Day Seven v.2 tomorrow as there is much more to report.

[QUOTE=Pulse]
- I can fly in a cutie from Vietnam who will give me the whole GFE live-in experience. Very attractive and there is guaranteed service for the whole time. Although not of the highest standard, but its there on demand. And damn, she loves walking round the hotel room in nothing more than a pair of panties. Overall cost probably equivalent to 3 days to find and catch a bar girl. To add confusion, I'm quite fond of her.

- Or enjoy yet again the sensations (sight, sound, taste and feel) of Bangkok unfettered. With that comes the offer of GFE experiences from a cute girl from Dollhouse I've kept in contact with as well as the chance to re-acquiant with a couple or 3 of BG trysts from September and a previous FR. And the chance to roam freely thru BG, Soi Cowboy and other new haunts I've seen reported. But no fucks guaranteed.

Pulse[/QUOTE]

Why not do both? Spend the first night enjoying all Bangkok has to offer then fly your girl in for the last two days.

PIT

[QUOTE=Dinghy]?? The railroad runs by the Donmuang airport on the other side of the road. In fact, there is a train stop right there (of course, the SCHEDULE leaves a little to be desired) just go out of the terminal, turn right and cross over the overpass and over the tracks to get there (of course with the airport shut down for pax, it won't do a lot of good) you mean SKYTRAIN??[/QUOTE]

I don't think I ever saw an actual train go by at the Airport. Maybe there are tracks there. But you know what I mean about most Airports not having rail service? Lima, Rio, Jakarta, and Bangkok are all big capitals w/o rail like you have at La Guardia or Kennedy. You are forced to take cabs both ways.

Pulse, I would say, it really depends just how fond of the Vietnamese girl you really are, and whether you are actually trying to take that somewhere beyond the hobby. Flying her in to visit you from another nearby country would probably signal that a real, non-professional relationship is in the offing. As to whether this is good, well obviously, you and she are the ones who need to make that call, not us hobbyists on the board.

If it's just for the sex, then I would simply take the chance to experience the variety of opportunities that Bangkok has to offer - believe me, there is no shortage, and you will almost surely find that your own body is the limiting factor in your adventures. 3 days to find a suitable bar girl? That's at least 2.9 days more than you realistically will require, and at least 2 days more than you will need to interview multiple candidates for the position. No fucks guaranteed? In Bangkok? Don't be silly.




[QUOTE=Pulse]A problem shared is, well, a problem.

I'll be in Bangkok for 5 days in Feb and I have the following carnal choices:

- I can fly in a cutie from Vietnam who will give me the whole GFE live-in experience. Very attractive and there is guaranteed service for the whole time. Although not of the highest standard, but its there on demand. And damn, she loves walking round the hotel room in nothing more than a pair of panties. Overall cost probably equivalent to 3 days to find and catch a bar girl. To add confusion, I'm quite fond of her.

- Or enjoy yet again the sensations (sight, sound, taste and feel) of Bangkok unfettered. With that comes the offer of GFE experiences from a cute girl from Dollhouse I've kept in contact with as well as the chance to re-acquiant with a couple or 3 of BG trysts from September and a previous FR. And the chance to roam freely thru BG, Soi Cowboy and other new haunts I've seen reported. But no fucks guaranteed.

Decisions, decisions.

BTW. Any comments on Natural Ville Apartments, Patumwan?

Pulse[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pulse]A problem shared is, well, a problem.

I'll be in Bangkok for 5 days in Feb and I have the following carnal choices:

- I can fly in a cutie from Vietnam who will give me the whole GFE live-in experience. Very attractive and there is guaranteed service for the whole time. Although not of the highest standard, but its there on demand. And damn, she loves walking round the hotel room in nothing more than a pair of panties. Overall cost probably equivalent to 3 days to find and catch a bar girl. To add confusion, I'm quite fond of her.

- Or enjoy yet again the sensations (sight, sound, taste and feel) of Bangkok unfettered. With that comes the offer of GFE experiences from a cute girl from Dollhouse I've kept in contact with as well as the chance to re-acquiant with a couple or 3 of BG trysts from September and a previous FR. And the chance to roam freely thru BG, Soi Cowboy and other new haunts I've seen reported. But no fucks guaranteed.

Decisions, decisions.

BTW. Any comments on Natural Ville Apartments, Patumwan?

Pulse[/QUOTE]

There are so many for the taking in Bangkok. Bankok girls, Isan Girls, and Chiang Mai girls are all over the place. Whenever I made the mistake of taking a woman from one location to another location, even in the same country the performance level would diminish significantly. A girl great girl I'd get in Pattaya or Chiang Mai would become a nightmare when I'd take her to Bangkok. In their 3rd world minds they feel like they gained control of the situation. I took a Rio girl to Buzios and once a Peruvian coastal beach bunny indian girl to Cuzco and both events stand out as some of the most unpleasant experiences of my life. Plus, Viets and Thais loath each other/.

i heard a few good stories about this place... anyone has has any experiences with this place.. barbara massage, good or bad please lemme know..

[QUOTE=Pulse]A problem shared is, well, a problem.

And the chance to roam freely thru BG, Soi Cowboy and other new haunts I've seen reported. But no fucks guaranteed.

Decisions, decisions.

Pulse[/QUOTE]

Never heared that through BD Soi cowboy etc. 'no fucks' are guaranteed.
You would be the first not to get laid there!

YMMV, but stick to local talent.

ragards

Brain666

[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]I don't think I ever saw an actual train go by at the Airport. Maybe there are tracks there. But you know what I mean about most Airports not having rail service? Lima, Rio, Jakarta, and Bangkok are all big capitals w/o rail like you have at La Guardia or Kennedy. You are forced to take cabs both ways.[/QUOTE]

Surely you jest - I've never once taken a cab from Don Muang. Besides the train service, which was, as has been reported, a regular one and located just steps from the airport, there were also the Airport Buses. For 100 baht going into town, or 50 baht going to the airport, you could choose from three lines - one to Sukhumvit, one over by Kowsan road, and another one to Silom.

The Don Muang train station wasn't really the best way to get into town, but it was a great way to avoid Bangkok entirely.

[QUOTE=Opebo]Surely you jest - I've never once taken a cab from Don Muang. Besides the train service, which was, as has been reported, a regular one and located just steps from the airport, there were also the Airport Buses. For 100 baht going into town, or 50 baht going to the airport, you could choose from three lines - one to Sukhumvit, one over by Kowsan road, and another one to Silom.

The Don Muang train station wasn't really the best way to get into town, but it was a great way to avoid Bangkok entirely.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I come from NYC and they dump me late. After dealing with traffic or train from midtown to JFK or Newark, and 20+ hours in planes, I want booty, food and beer ASAP (in that order). I ususally share a cab with somebody I meet on the plane.

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]Kman,

What's the purpose of the meeting place and the location? Not that I want to be too nosey. Do you want to have enough girls so everyone has someone to take home? Do you want the girls as just eye candy? Do you want great service, drinks and great food? A place where it's easy to hear each other talk? Do you want everyone at one table? How big a group? 4 people can be accomodated almost anywhere, but 20 will take some planning.

If you are more specific, then I think someone can fill you in with the info you are seeking and better yet, may come up with a much better alternative!

AT2[/QUOTE]

Hi there,
No real purpose for the meeting other than three friends meeting at a bar known to two of us from previous visits to BKK. Specifically I have in the past enjoyed a few evenings at the AVA Bar, and I am wondering if a) Does it still exist? and b) What is the quality of women like there now?
Any advice appreciated.

TKM

[QUOTE=Dutch Boy]i heard a few good stories about this place... anyone has has any experiences with this place.. barbara massage, good or bad please lemme know..[/QUOTE]

Dutch Boy,

I think you have the wrong thread. There's a massage thread that would be more appropriate for this post. I posted what I know there and hopefully someone else fills in the missing pieces.

AT2

The hazards of falling for a Thai girl, who likely was much younger than this geezer.

Maybe I'm just an insensitive oaf. But, I got a chuckle out of this story. The guy obviously had some self-worth issues.

[url]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/read.php?newsid=30023095[/url]

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]The hazards of falling for a Thai girl, who likely was much younger than this geezer.

Maybe I'm just an insensitive oaf. But, I got a chuckle out of this story. The guy obviously had some self-worth issues.

[url]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/read.php?newsid=30023095[/url][/QUOTE]

I am cringing while I watch several friends get relieved of their money. I watched 2 already get their inheritances cleaned out. I warned one to be careful and he told me "I'm in it for love, you're in it for sex". A fool and his money are soon parted. When the money is gone, they find out no more pooying. Sometimes a good hearted expat sitting on a pile of money will get "flying lessons" off a balcony or "special spices" put on their food to help them part with it quicker.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]The hazards of falling for a Thai girl, who likely was much younger than this geezer.

Maybe I'm just an insensitive oaf. But, I got a chuckle out of this story. The guy obviously had some self-worth issues.

[url]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/read.php?newsid=30023095[/url][/QUOTE]I found it touching. May be Pim killed herself after finding out the old man jumped off a building for her.

It is like a Thai-Farang version of Romeo and Juliet.

PULSE

"Live each season as it passes; breathe the air, drink the drink, taste the fruit, and resign yourself to the influences of each" - Henry David Thoreau

In terms of a traveling with a GF, I've taken my Thai lady to Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos AND the sex continued to be GREAT in all three locations.

However, after reading over the Burma board, methinks I'll make at least one side trip ALONE next summer (i.e. to taste some new fruit). Thankfully, I still have a few EUROs in the bank and I'm not yet 70 years old...lol.

Hi !

Tnx for a great forum ! I will be in Bangkok for a couple of days now.
As I understand the alternatives are :

- Soapies, Annies, Poseidon, Any more req?
- Soi Cowboy, Dejavu ?
- Eden Club, however I see that u folks differ on that.
- Short time hotels. I read somewhere that if one walks in there alone, an attendant will show u to a room and pick some girls ina line up according to what your wishes are. And that in those hotels often young girls work as they are owned by the hotel. TRue ? Any comments ?

Erik

In the news:-

AN elderly Australian man jumped from the balcony of his 18th-floor Bangkok apartment after his Thai girlfriend left him, police said.

Donald Henshall, 70, left a note written with his own blood before jumping yesterday from the balcony of his room at the Nasa Vegas Tower in the city's Suanlang district.

Police said the note read: "I love you, Pim".

Police said Henshall had checked into the apartment block around Christmas Day with a Thai woman identified as Pim - a common nickname in Thailand.

Police said the man was heart-broken when the woman deserted him.

COMMENT:- Should have had a beer, grabbed a cutie some oral therapy. Sad event. Remember, you can take the girl out of the Soi but never the Soi out of the girl. Sounds like confusuion between dick and brain.

Ahhhh, a BJ in a chauffer limo, chablis and nice music. Great food. Beautiful women who know how to please a man. Asia rules.

Maybe the guy was a newbie and just didn't realize.

The point is, never fall in love with a Thai girl of any persuasion - from P4P to HiSo debutante. There are plenty more for the picking. If my GF dumped me this afternoon, I'd have another moved in by tonight. In that regard, this country is heaven on earth - a much larger supply than there is demand.

Yes, you are right. I love going to the airport where I pick up girls waving off their farang boyfriends with about a 70% score rate (I like cuckolding). Usually I tape it - or get the driver to do it surreptitiously.

Once in my limo, I woul get most to give me a BJ on the ride home. A few K in cash has an amazing effect. Better still is when they are on the phone a day or so later to the departed farang boyfriend "yes, me good girl, love you, blah blah" whist being firmly inside them. If bored I tape that call. Standard baby Thailglish "love you", "long time", etc. There are numerous services that translate Thai to English/French/German/Spainish with two themes: love you and send money for sick water buffalo/mother/education (at PlaySkool !).

It never ceases to amaze me. I have a collection. More amazing is that mny of the girls are nothing special. I put this down to lust sickness and inexperience of the Thai bar girl University of Life. A fool and his money are indeed soon parted.

If it flies, floats or phucks, rent, don't buy.

If she dumped me today I would have a new one within a few hours. "Girl friend" means girl and "friend", friend being a very flexible and loose concept always involving money, the girls prey on this vague term and lust being confused with love. Males are, let's be honest, led by their groin. Some are straight and honest hookers. Others play the emotional card. To them I just play along, slap their ass, laugh and dump them. Or when they hear you speak Thai and reakize yiu are on to them. Which ever comes sooner.

Better to have two or three girlfriends simultaneously. And yes, special spices and flying lessons are a risk as is AIDS. Many of these girls have little to lose and short shelf life to strike it big. They do not waste time moving on to the next white buffalo (us !).

Yes, Asia is good. Lots of LBFM's (heh heh).

Hello Bangkok Experts,

I will be in Bangkok soon and wonder how is the current situation in the scene. I mean are the girls back after the Holidays? How is the quality and price level? Which one are the danger places and possible targets for these bombs (Nana, Hard Rock Café, new Airport controls etc)

Thanks for your update.

[QUOTE=Sponsor74]Hello Bangkok Experts,

I will be in Bangkok soon and wonder how is the current situation in the scene. I mean are the girls back after the Holidays? How is the quality and price level? Which one are the danger places and possible targets for these bombs (Nana, Hard Rock Café, new Airport controls etc)

Thanks for your update.[/QUOTE]


Its still a wait and see situation. The bombings were meant to disrupt every Bkk and send a message. Still, no one has claimed any responsibility. Some say its supporters of ousted PM and some say Islamic extremest--so no one knows for sure.
Bottom line is to avoid high profile target areas for now as one bomb was reported in Kao San Rd where many foreigners stay.
I just talked to some people I know that just left LOS and they say gals situation are not affected (yet)


PT

[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]I am cringing while I watch several friends get relieved of their money. I watched 2 already get their inheritances cleaned out. I warned one to be careful and he told me "I'm in it for love, you're in it for sex". A fool and his money are soon parted. When the money is gone, they find out no more pooying. Sometimes a good hearted expat sitting on a pile of money will get "flying lessons" off a balcony or "special spices" put on their food to help them part with it quicker.[/QUOTE]

Lets see also the advantage of it for the guys who stay on earth:
As long as such strories happen and there is a reasonable success rate for the girls with some of our monger brothers falling for them and been supported more then less, the girls will share those stories each other. The result is pretty in our favor as in my opinion this is the reason so many of us can enjoy GFE and really great sex combined, as most of the girls are dreaming to have a similar success and that keeps service standard up.

Never experienced in my monger time such a P4P scene where its hard to distinguish if its really a P4P as it is so fluent to friendship. Don't see the drawing line as the girls do (e.g. the 'girlfriend' of some of our resindents here like mick Licker talks about his girlfriend), but that's probably more for their self confidence then for real neutral view.

However I also understand our high aged members. What's the alternatives home? Specially talking about the European and US folks here. Better to be departed from some of your money from a 40 year yonger Thai hotty with some fun included, then from your ugly same aged home country woman or even your yonger relatives waiting (impatient?) for your pass away to get your heritage. Just keep the money drain under reasonable control.

regards

Brain666

[quote=brain666]
don't see the drawing line as the girls do (e.g. the 'girlfriend' of some of our resindents here like mick licker talks about his girlfriend), but that's probably more for their self confidence then for real neutral view.
[/quote]
what i mean by girlfriend is purely a "long term relationship" that is officially known to friends. family was not informed at first (till more certain it would last).
i am hoping for it to be maybe permanent but i have plenty of experience to well know this is not certain. the difficulties are high.
in this case she is not not working in the p4p scene so in her view we are supposed to be exclusive to each other. when i am away, she only has her vibe to satisfy herself with. she is quite honest in terms of not telling lies (as far as can tell to date). she sometimes keeps me in the dark re family problems rather than burden me with these problems. she also perfers to say nothing rather than tell bullshit.
however we are more compatible than any previous relationship and sexually she is close to keeping me satisfied although doesn't need sex quite as much as me. no girl has ever raped me often enough to never have some desires for playing up.
she and her daughter as yet do not speak english to any significant level.
i am not actually resident in thailand. only part time present.
so our relationship is difficult till one side can relocate to live with the other more than just part time.
if i lived in thailand then we could live tother for an extended period and then then the relationship could become permanent (well as near to permanent as it gets). marriage could be an option/necessity if we all decided to live together in my home country.

btw, i obviously must help support girlfriend and her daughter, particularly medical costs for her fathers accident injury, special english schooling etc., but am not into buying things for them at massive cost like houses, land, cars, etc. anything significant needs to be kept in your own name.

[QUOTE=Brain666]Lets see also the advantage of it for the guys who stay on earth:

However I also understand our high aged members. What's the alternatives home? Specially talking about the European and US folks here. Better to be departed from some of your money from a 40 year yonger Thai hotty with some fun included, then from your ugly same aged home country woman or even your yonger relatives waiting (impatient?) for your pass away to get your heritage. Just keep the money drain under reasonable control.

regards

Brain666[/QUOTE]
High aged member sez:
Nothing like the sweet smell of Kim Chee on the breath and other end of the fine Korean Hotties that staff the massage parlors in the US. Some Thai, Laotian and Cambodians are starting to show up as well. No shortage of booty in the US at any age in the big cities if you have the income to blow and you aren't a bore. American women are said to be fat, but I have never seen more fat women than the gargantuan Shielas hanging in Kuta.

Thai and Pinoy women got money just for getting knocked up by GIs, so they normally think they have a bigger lottery ticket w/a gringo than somebody from elsewhere. The family demands more money much faster from their pooying/laison if she says she is with an American or Japanese man. I heard horror stories about guys up at the big airbase in Khorat during the Vietnam era that hooked up with the locals. Losing stripes over stuff the wives pulled. Thais will shun a girl for dating a round eye back here. They are clannier than the Amish. The British and Germans can pull it off much better, probably because they can hold their beer better and are better at hanging on to the shekkles.

Bangkok rules, but Pattaya bores me to tears. It is a great place to retire if you like getting sh*^faced 24/7 and hooking up with somebody that will expect you to support their family and participate in other money draining activities. When the cash runs out they don't associate with you any more. I can't take more than 3 days of the Brothel by the sea, and that is to chill after an intense Asian City tour.

The trouble w/how Thais view Americans is that they watch american TV where people are driving big cars, living in big houses all with no visual means of support. They hear stories from Grandma about the GIs, who established Pattaya as a booty stop with pockets full of combat pay and a sacks full o'spunk that they'd blow in a couple of nights. The girls all dream of having a little "tiger" baby. They think gringos all have some kind of trust fund. Plenty to do in Bangkok that keeps you moving and keeps those pooying hooks from digging in deep.

and further more, I am joining a 12 step program for people that talk to much. it's called onandon

so there i am, back at the rp waiting for the eden bfn to arrive. i have shut off the ac so she will not freeze upon entry, and made sure there were sufficient beverages available. i pop down to the bar (sitting outside) to have a beer and wait. 22:02 and i wander over towards the entrance and my ever smiling security guy asks if i need a taxi or whatever and i tell him i am waiting for my lady friend.

he looks slightly concerned and drags me to the lobby saying there is one lady who has been waiting for a few minutes, and is this my friend? blow me down, she was early! she very earnestly tried to give her id card to the front desk, who pointed her towards the security guy, who, as during my whole stay was very pleasant and polite with my guests.

i show (let´s call her bop, pm if you need the real name) bop to the eighth floor and chez sporadic. she was dressed nicely enough to be taken anywhere, and on the arm of a 30-35 yo would look the perfect gf.

all she wanted to drink was water (and eventually a coke) and we played around on the computer a bit (funny movie clips etc.)

i asked bop if she was hungry, and she said she was. room service it is. she surveyed the menu and settled upon spaghetti. i gently asked her if she knew what this was, and pointed out the extensive thai menu available. she insisted.

predictably, when it arrived, she had a surprised look on her face (and a little sheepish) and was not quite sure what to do. i offered to have her order something else, but this plucky young lady said she did not want to "waste my money" and she gamely dug in. what a star.

she then asked if she could shower. well of course my lovely, and i showed her to the bath. in deference to her, i mood lighted the room, and put on the thai mtv channel (not bad actually though i understood not a word of it.)

fresh from her ablutions, i excused myself to do the same and with a startled look on her face, she asked if i did not want her to "take care of me." well, if you insist my dear. this is where the real quality shows. she lovingly (sorry, no other word for it) undresses me, runs my bath and washed me with all the care of a mother and her newborn. ok, i know it is just service with a smile, but the attitude i caught was "i am here to make you very happy." damned tough to take.

after a good gentle scrub and caress, and a careful toweling off, we head back to the bed. she senses that i am not interested in an immediate [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] scene and after unpacking her little store of goodies (creams, oils and unguents) she props herself up on her elbows and we chat a bit. i ask her if she likes the thai mtv, and she admits, that if it is ok with me, what she really likes is the discovery channel (!) she explains that the english is good to learn and the different subjects are interesting to her.

there is a heck of a lot more here than meets the eye. i was curious (after so many eden stories) to hear her side of it, and with a twinkle in her eye she related some amusing anecdotes, thus: the shy european middle aged guy who seemed to desire nothing, indeed was not turned on by the girls per se, nodding enthusiastically when she offered to bugger him with a strap-on. two orgasms worth it would seem. she said she had seen it all (i have no doubt) and that was probably why she was so attuned to me.

one thing i will mention. marc takes his business seriously, and demands performance from his employees. it would appear that some (thankfully few) customers are quite demanding ( "i cannot say no, or i will lose my job" ) and anyone who complains (with or without reason) can cause serious problems for the eden girls. on one side, this means quality for me, thus a good thing, on the downside, some asshole abusive punter could take advantage of the business model. be nice, guys.

i enjoyed two very nice sessions with this lady, and another in the morning. i was secretly pleased when she became sufficiently lubricated without reaching for the k-y (oh, the masculine pride!) her oral skills were in the sol league as well. though she said she had not completed the entire thai massage course, her rubbings were most enjoyable.

this girl was also a mind reader, she always found the right amount of "closeness" without being a barnacle and overly-clingy in bed. bliss.

the eden take out is 10pm until 6am. i dutifully asked bop if she wanted me to set the alarm for her at six. she smiled at me and said that this was really to protect her, as sometimes she arrives at the hotel and finds four guys who want to ride her all night (cheap, sneaky bastards, they had better tip the hell out of her) and no, there was no need to set the alarm, as long as she was at work on time.

what can i say? wonderful girl, wonderful time.

i was leaving the next day, and there was some music she wanted from my computer, but i did not have a cd to burn it for her. although i am sure she thought i was full of shit, i did indeed run down to the 7-11 and buy a cd, and did indeed burn her music for her. sadly, when i went by eden to drop it off, she had just retired for a session with some lucky punter. i left the cd at the bar for her with bruce, then later sent a pm to marc to let him know how much i appreciated his club, and bop in particular.

ever the gentleman (he was in pattaya starting up eden2 at the time) he promised to pass on my thanks to bop.

gents, spend your money at eden for girls. unprecedented service.

sad departure story to follow.

Can anyone recommend a fine italian restaurant that is at least better than Pomodoro on Sukhumvit Soi 1. I am not necessarily looking for a cheap italian diner. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Dimension]Can anyone recommend a fine italian restaurant that is at least better than Pomodoro on Sukhumvit Soi 1. I am not necessarily looking for a cheap italian diner. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

You could try Sacz, the Italian place that's in the lobby of the Majestic Grande on Soi 2. As to whether it's better than Pomodoro, you make the call, but the ambiance is clearly upscale.

[QUOTE=Member #2041]You could try Sacz, the Italian place that's in the lobby of the Majestic Grande on Soi 2. As to whether it's better than Pomodoro, you make the call, but the ambiance is clearly upscale.[/QUOTE]

Jesus, man, get the hell away from Pomodoro. It's crap!!! There are loads of Italian Restaurants in this city. It's one of my favorite foods. So, I know a lot of them.

This is just a sampling...

Pendolasco - far end of Sukhumvit soi 2
Little Italy - corner of soi 23 and Sukhumvit next to California Wow Fitness
Pan Pan - the closest to you would be Suk soi 19
La Gritta - Suk soi 19 (better than Pan Pan)
No. 43 Italian Bistro at Cape House Serviced Apartments - Lang Suan (opposite Central Chitlom)
Calderazzo - Lang Suan
Ma Be Ba - Lang Suan
Air Plane - Lang Suan
Angelini's- Shangri-la Hotel
Antonio's - Sukhumvit soi 31
Biscotti - Four Seasons, Rajadamri Road
Delacatezza - Sukhumvit soi 55
Duilio's - Sukhumvit soi 49 (one of my favorites - great pizzas and they deliver downtown)
ll Cielo - Dusit Thani Hotel - corner of Silom and Rama IV
Modapesce - Sukhumvit soi 53

It's an 18+ hour trip for most US flights. Not sleeping much the night before + ear plugs/eyemask + alcohol might knock you out for 8 hrs or so. Then what? Are sleep pills effective?

What else to do on the plane? All I could think of is reading my guidebook and listening to Thai lessons CD.

[QUOTE=Fish N Chips]Please share her name and PIC, I will line up days if not weeks of time with her on my next trip!

Thanxs[/QUOTE]
I do not post names or numbers on the forum.

As for pics, Eden girls do not allow pics (and I understand why.)

The point I was trying to make is twofold.

1. Someone else having a good time with a provider is no assurance that YOU will have a good time with that particular provider. We are dealing with human beings here. Very subjective.

2. With Eden girls, a good time is a sure thing, you would have to be a major bonehead to find a dud at the Eden club. That is precisely why it is so popular.

To illustrate, another member pm´ed me as to the real name of the lady in question. We both got chuckle out of the fact that it was lady he has enjoyed before. Was his experience a mirror of my own? I seriously doubt it.

He asked me if I had chosen her on the basis of his report. I had not, as I know, an experience is what YOU make of it, not what others enjoyed.

Enjoy your next visit to BKK, and please, be nice to the Eden girls, they really try to make the punter happy, not always the case with "normal" p4p girls.

BTW, the word is "Thanks" not "Thanxs" ;)

OTH, thanx for the report on italian restaurants, very helpful

How 'bout a great steak place in the Suk area?

Thanxs, oops, I mean thanks, for your input!

Veterano

[QUOTE=Veterano]OTH, thanx for the report on italian restaurants, very helpful

How 'bout a great steak place in the Suk area?

Thanxs, oops, I mean thanks, for your input!

Veterano[/QUOTE]

I don't eat beef, so I don't know much about Steak restaurants. I do know from a friend that the quality of steak here is not that great, when compared to the States. However, there is a Steak and Rib place just past Silom on Rama IV across from Sam Yan MRT station, called The Roadhouse (not far from Patpong). That's the only place I know of downtown. The only other place I know of is Chokchai Steakhouse way over on Ladprao in Bangkapi district. Chokchai is run by the famous beef cattle farm of the same name in Korat.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I don't eat beef, so I don't know much about Steak restaurants. I do know from a friend that the quality of steak here is not that great, when compared to the States. However, there is a Steak and Rib place just past Silom on Rama IV across from Sam Yan MRT station, called The Roadhouse (not far from Patpong). That's the only place I know of downtown. The only other place I know of is Chokchai Steakhouse way over on Ladprao in Bangkapi district. Chokchai is run by the famous beef cattle farm of the same name in Korat.[/QUOTE]The only place to have good steak is Neils Tavern on Soi Rum Rudi. Great atmosphere. Good food and reasonable prices. The best and should never be missed.

[QUOTE=Veterano]OTH, thanx for the report on italian restaurants, very helpful

How 'bout a great steak place in the Suk area?

Veterano[/QUOTE]The Landmark on Suk near Nana Skytrain Station advertises a Steak restaurtant on the top floor. No idea what it is like tho'

FK

[QUOTE=Traffic777]It's an 18+ hour trip for most US flights. Not sleeping much the night before + ear plugs/eyemask + alcohol might knock you out for 8 hrs or so. Then what? Are sleep pills effective?

What else to do on the plane? All I could think of is reading my guidebook and listening to Thai lessons CD.[/QUOTE]Depending on which way you are traveling and how your internal clock is configured. Bangkok is a 12 hour difference from my city. From my city it is 20 hours flight time to Bangkok going either east or west. Last time I went from here to Paris 8 hours, Paris to Bombay 8 hours, and Bombay to Bangkok 4 hours (arriving at 9am). This month I will be going from here to Tokyo 14 hours, Tokyo to Bangkok 6 hours (arriving at midnight).

Since I will be leaving here at 10am local time (10pm Bangkok time) I will stay up maybe 5 hours eating, drinking, watching movies and talking with my friends. After 2 movies it should be 3am Bangkok time and the alcohol should have hold of me. If not, I always keep Benadryl in my toiletry bag to knock me out if need be on a long flight. I will sleep for 8 hours (1 hour before landing in Tokyo). This will put me waking up at 10am Bangkok time.

I will not sleep on the next flight from Tokyo to Bangkok because my internal clock would have been set just right for BKK. This is the time to watch another movie, bring out the games and the guidebooks. I will arrive at the NaNa in Bangkok about 1am. Just in time to grab something out of Angel Disco, cut it up, and be ready to fall asleep about 3 or 3:30am.

It's expensive, but the steak restaurant in the JW is very good. You need to book ahead. [QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I don't eat beef, so I don't know much about Steak restaurants. I do know from a friend that the quality of steak here is not that great, when compared to the States. However, there is a Steak and Rib place just past Silom on Rama IV across from Sam Yan MRT station, called The Roadhouse (not far from Patpong). That's the only place I know of downtown. The only other place I know of is Chokchai Steakhouse way over on Ladprao in Bangkapi district. Chokchai is run by the famous beef cattle farm of the same name in Korat.[/QUOTE]

There are two in Sukhumvit Soi 33.

Tenderloin, Australian style, and Livingstone's Steak House, with local and Argentinian Angus beef.


Giotto

[QUOTE=Traffic777] Are sleep pills effective? [/QUOTE]

I use a mild - but nevertheless presscription - pill called Sonata. It puts you to sleep for about four hours and you don't wake up groggy. Ask your doctor about it. You shouldn't sleep for more than six hours in a stretch on a plane because of the risk of deep vein thrombosis.

[QUOTE=Traffic777] What else to do on the plane? [/QUOTE] Depends on the carrier, but a lot have personal entertainment systems, even in economy class. Thai does on the JFK-BKK nonstop flight.

Evil

i buy zanax, which can be purchased at the end of soi cowboi, (make a left at the end of the soi, when coming from asoke.) they are "kinda" illegal, so you have to give the pharmacist the money, and come back the next day. i was worried at first i would never see the money or the drugs, the first time, but the guy is a stand up guy.
so i pop 1/2 of a zanax, a couple of glasses of wine, push the button for lie flat, sleep 5 hours. get up [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url], rinse, and repeat. suddenly, we are landing in 90 minutes, and i barely have time for the meal.
only way to go.

After finding a blank CD, burning the music for my Eden girl, and delivering same to the Eden club, I met my pal for a last lime juice at the biergarten. I had to check out by 3pm as the RP claimed to be fully booked (how does that work? for an additional 1k Baht, I could keep the room until 6?) Fully booked does not mean fully booked obviously.

No big deal to me, as I was heading to the airport at 3:30 in any case.

Took a last long look around and smiled. Amazing what good pre-trip research can do for you. I felt comfortable in BKK and was not surprised by anything.

My car to the airport was ready to go, so off I went. The traffic on Suk was not too bad (35 minutes to the expressway from soi 15) and too soon, I found myself at the airport. Check-in was painless, no problems with the departure tax and immigrations was swift.

The airport is just so damn bland. You could be in Paris CDG or anywhere else for that matter if it were not for the occasional icon and the fact that you are still surrounded by lovely TG´s. This is when it hit me. In a few short hours, I was no longer going to be surrounded by these lovelies! Crap.

Grabbed some free wi-fi Internet access at the airport to check on the world, then prepared to suffer yet another crap flight on Gulf Air. They did not let me down. It was as shitty as I thought it would be.

I am not exactly pining to return, as there is work to be done, and a life to lead, and for me, Thailand was only an escape for a week.

Different mindset, different surroundings. I wonder how I would do living in Thailand? It would just not be the same. Visiting, I had not a care in the world, an unrealistic expectation if you are working there. Good on those who manage it, I am not sure I could unless I was semi-retired. Likewise, I am not working and living for the day I return. Oh, I plan to come back, certainly, but it is not a life goal to return every x months.

So; no thefts, no problems really, one bout of Asian stomach, one crappy bargirl, and one million precious memories of a lovely place.
Not bad on balance I would say.

[QUOTE=Traffic777]It's an 18+ hour trip for most US flights. Not sleeping much the night before + ear plugs/eyemask + alcohol might knock you out for 8 hrs or so. Then what? Are sleep pills effective?
...listening to Thai lessons CD.[/QUOTE]

Benadryl, Actifed (or other antihistamine), over the counter sleepers work on some people, not on others. It could have the opposite reaction if you've never tried before (like making you hyper and awake).

The prescription meds like Sonata, Ambien are great and usually have very few side effects. Xanax (and others like it) can be a bit addicting, but a few times shouldn't be a problem.

Best advice is to try it several days before getting on the plane. For that matter, you can start sleep training the week before so you don't waste time when you get to your destination. My opinions. Cheers
-M

PS- listening to Thai lessons might do the trick too! haha :)

[QUOTE=Manfest]Benadryl, Actifed (or other antihistamine), over the counter sleepers work on some people, not on others. It could have the opposite reaction if you've never tried before (like making you hyper and awake).

The prescription meds like Sonata, Ambien are great and usually have very few side effects. Xanax (and others like it) can be a bit addicting, but a few times shouldn't be a problem.

Best advice is to try it several days before getting on the plane. For that matter, you can start sleep training the week before so you don't waste time when you get to your destination. My opinions. Cheers
-M

PS- listening to Thai lessons might do the trick too! haha :)[/QUOTE]

I'm with Manfest on trying the sleeping pills beforehand. I bought some so called sleeping pills for a flight before and they gave me the opposite effect in that I got wired and could not fall asleep at all. It was worse than if I had not taken them.

Xanax can be obtained via perscription from any doctor on the spot....It's not expensive at all, just say that you 'think too much' and cannot get to sleep due to nervousness in bangkok.

It is addicting.

A cheaper alternative [better in my opinion] is diazapam or valium. ANY pharmacisit will sell you diazapam 5mg pills for 2-10 baht a piece.

I take 10 mg as soon as I sit down on the plane and when I wake up they are serving food. I drink a glass of wine and it's lights out until we land.

The rolling stones recorded 'Mother's little helper' about the pill in the 60's.

I recommend going to a doctor and having a frank / honest conversation about what your pharmacuetical needs are. They will give you the honest info and you can then use that to find a pharmacist who knows his stuff. They laugh at me when I ask about things like "I have an 18 hour flight that I want to sleep through, yet when I wake up I don't want to be groggy"

Then they tell me how to do it.

[QUOTE=Traffic777]It's an 18+ hour trip for most US flights. Not sleeping much the night before + ear plugs/eyemask + alcohol might knock you out for 8 hrs or so. Then what? Are sleep pills effective?

What else to do on the plane? All I could think of is reading my guidebook and listening to Thai lessons CD.[/QUOTE]

Most intl flights have some sort of entertainment like movies and some music (but best to bring your own).

Suggest you pick up Benadryl (buy the generic as its dirt cheap) and dont need to see a doctor for this. It works for me. Try it before hand and if it dont work, then need Rx and get Ambien.
I dont agree with some as its best to avoid alcohol with any valium or xanax as some people have ended up in a coma ( brain dead) using the 2 together --your doctor can confirm this. You want just several hours sleep and not a permanent one. Dont happen often but it does happen on occasions. Better to be on the safe side.--IMO

PT

[QUOTE=Veterano]OTH, thanx for the report on italian restaurants, very helpful

How 'bout a great steak place in the Suk area?

Thanxs, oops, I mean thanks, for your input!

Veterano[/QUOTE]A unique meat-oriented food experience can be had at the Brazilian Churrascaria BBQ named Fogo Vivo just off the Chit Lom station, President Tower exit.

All-you-can-eat continuously rotating selection of grilled meats plus salad bar - go there Hungry. I haven't been back to Bangkok for 2 years now (sob), but it was great then, which was shortly after it had opened. Lunch was the best deal - slightly less selection for half the price of the Dinner service.

[url]http://www.fogovivo.com/[/url]

I use Lunesta (3mg) and alternatively, Ambien CR (be sure to get the CR as it is longer lasting ~ plain Ambien only puts you to sleep for three or 4 hours)

If you are like me and have a big meal on the plane before crashing, the CR is better as the Lunesta does NOT work on a full stomach

Whatever you do, do not confuse your Lunesta with your Levitra or you will be wide awake with a hard on for 18 hours!

Good luck ~ Veterano

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Jesus, man, get the hell away from Pomodoro. It's crap!!! There are loads of Italian Restaurants in this city. It's one of my favorite foods. So, I know a lot of them.

This is just a sampling...

Pendolasco - far end of Sukhumvit soi 2
Little Italy - corner of soi 23 and Sukhumvit next to California Wow Fitness
Pan Pan - the closest to you would be Suk soi 19
La Gritta - Suk soi 19 (better than Pan Pan)
No. 43 Italian Bistro at Cape House Serviced Apartments - Lang Suan (opposite Central Chitlom)
Calderazzo - Lang Suan
Ma Be Ba - Lang Suan
Air Plane - Lang Suan
Angelini's- Shangri-la Hotel
Antonio's - Sukhumvit soi 31
Biscotti - Four Seasons, Rajadamri Road
Delacatezza - Sukhumvit soi 55
Duilio's - Sukhumvit soi 49 (one of my favorites - great pizzas and they deliver downtown)
ll Cielo - Dusit Thani Hotel - corner of Silom and Rama IV
Modapesce - Sukhumvit soi 53[/QUOTE]

My favorite is La Opera on Suk (I think) 39. If not, then either 37 or 41. It's the best I have found in BKK.

[QUOTE=Retired Army]My favorite is La Opera on Suk (I think) 39. If not, then either 37 or 41. It's the best I have found in BKK.[/QUOTE]L'Opera. Sukhumvit Soi 39. Recommended, my favorite, too.


Giotto

I hear Pizza Hut isn't bad. ;)
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Well, after a satisfying session with Miss Nymph from Giotto's Sports Bar, into the wee hours, and a refreshing long sleep, I went wandering down Suk, buying gifts and generally wandering. Made it as far as Biergarten in Soi 7. I cannot see how the renovations have improved the place - main difference is it now has a roof.

Other difference is that last time I was there (over a year ago), there were about 15 girls. Yesterday about 7pm there were about 50 girls, and many of them very very nice. (I don't know why the place gets a bad rap on this board). I had to head for the airport, so couldn't stay long, but will definitely check it out on my return trip in about 10 days.

[QUOTE=Traffic777]It's an 18+ hour trip for most US flights. Not sleeping much the night before + ear plugs/eyemask + alcohol might knock you out for 8 hrs or so. Then what? Are sleep pills effective?

What else to do on the plane? All I could think of is reading my guidebook and listening to Thai lessons CD.[/QUOTE]I have taken the JFK-Bkk 17 hour direct flight on Thai Airways twice this year, which leaves at about noon and arrives at 5:00 PM. Even though I am ordinarily not keen on being confined anywhere near this long a time, it goes suprisingly quickly. I do take 5 mg of valium that acts both as a sleep aid and as a muscle relaxant, so the cramped confines of economy do not feel as difficult to take. There are several meals and snacks offered during the flight, and this also breaks up the time. Like others have said, all the direct flights have the entertainment center/screen on the seat in front of you, and the movies and television shows that you can stop and start according to your wishes can take up a few hours. I sleep as much as I can, and when I arrive in Bkk, I have been able to hit the ground running, meeting friends for dinner that same night and not feeling unduly tired. It sounds intimidating to think or hear about a 17 hour flight, but take it from me - someone who dreads being bored or confined - it really does go by quite painlessly, and is not nearly as bad in practice as it appears in theory. Good luck and don't worry - have a great time thinking about all the incredidle adventures that you will have when you arrive!

As there is a little chat about food now, I can add a funny experience at the Yok Yor Marina. I brought a date there (from Bacchus, Soi 33).

Setting is nice on the river, although run down, but food is fantastic as it happens where (a) there are many Thais, and (b) it's a big place with high seafood turnover and a lot of staff.

Great softcrab (recommended by Mr Guido...), crab curry, pinnacle for me was a kind of sour seafood cocomilk soup. Prices are reasonable for a river-side dinner, and my date was happy, translating in good fuck after (although it was P4P, she added some voluntarism, loved foreplay - only issue is that I found the pussy over-sized compared to my expectations considering the body measurement).

They have a website - which sucks of course, but can be useful: [url]http://www.yokyor.co.th/yokyor/index.html[/url]

Now, another interesting part is that beside my preferred al-fresco location, the restaurant also have an indoor place, and some action is happening there: from 7 to 9 pm, 2 frantic go-go girls whom you can't escape when you go to the bathrooms - also there seems to be some hostesses there. It seems Asian oriented, but the go-go girls were all smiling and waiving kisses to me, so I guess that they are open to some falang experience.

Did anyone try? Otherwise, I might decide to have a go - although going there alone is not advisable for the food because large portions. Well, if a gastronomic monger is interested, just pm me.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Piper1]I hear Pizza Hut isn't bad. ;)
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Well, after a satisfying session with Miss Nymph from Giotto's Sports Bar, into the wee hours, and a refreshing long sleep, I went wandering down Suk, buying gifts and generally wandering. Made it as far as Biergarten in Soi 7. I cannot see how the renovations have improved the place - main difference is it now has a roof.

Other difference is that last time I was there (over a year ago), there were about 15 girls. Yesterday about 7pm there were about 50 girls, and many of them very very nice. (I don't know why the place gets a bad rap on this board). I had to head for the airport, so couldn't stay long, but will definitely check it out on my return trip in about 10 days.[/QUOTE]I was in Bangkok in November. Had only been there the prior February. I'd read about the biergarten on soi7 so went and tried it out. I was very impressed. Now, I'm not a bad looking guy. Although I'm 52. I had many women come up to me. And they were cute.

I also saw some even cuter ones later in the evening. And ended up seeing 4 of them in a period of a few days.

How much are you guys paying? I guess I should find out.

I'm headed back to BKK, CMai, and for the first time Vietnam. On Jan. 31 to Feb. 18th. Can't wait!

Well, I've only been to BKK twice and the second time was in November. I visited the Biergarten on Soi 7 for the first time and met some cuties! I'm 52 and look younger. A fairly attractive guy. There were some cuties in there.

But. How much do you guys pay for ST or LT? I guess I need to know. I'll be back in Feb.

In fact, if anyone wants to meet up, I'll be staying at the Majestic Suites and taking jaunts to Chiang Mai and HCMC.

[QUOTE=Siam150]The only place to have good steak is Neils Tavern on Soi Rum Rudi. Great atmosphere. Good food and reasonable prices. The best and should never be missed.[/QUOTE]

Just to be clear due to transliteration, you mean the Soi that is between the expressway (also former Soi 0) and Wittayu (Wireless), right? But, I think this place is just east of Wittayu, right?

SB

[QUOTE=Piper1]Made it as far as Biergarten in Soi 7. I cannot see how the renovations have improved the place - main difference is it now has a roof.

Other difference is that last time I was there (over a year ago), there were about 15 girls. Yesterday about 7pm there were about 50 girls, and many of them very very nice. (I don't know why the place gets a bad rap on this board)[/QUOTE]
Agreed, and 50 was a bare minimum at any hour I dropped by. I realize an old, fat, bald, oilfield engineer like you might have problems hooking up with the ladies, but there were some real gems at the BGS7. ;)

Seriously, it became my base during my visit. Though I actually never concluded negotiations with anyone from there (most seem to prefer ST while I am a LT (yes it does take me a while) type of guy) it was always nice to see what was available on the market before heading out, searching for my BFN.

I also suggest the lime juice (Na Manao) as a general elixer. :)

[QUOTE=Retired Army]My favorite is La Opera on Suk (I think) 39. If not, then either 37 or 41. It's the best I have found in BKK.[/QUOTE]

There are two side by side: one sells pizza, more family style, the one next to it is fancier, etc. My local friends tell me they share same kitchen :)

I like their salad bar....it's short drive from Livingstone and Novotel Lotus.

Hi everybody,

I just returned from Bangkok and thought I share my experience with the board.

Friday:

I got there at 1:00 in the afternoon and checked into the Pathuwman . I had contemplated taking the airport bus but after consulting with the hot babe behind the travel info desk I decided to take the Airport taxi. Somehow I don’t think lugging 55lb of luggage from the bus to the skytrain would have been a great idea. It cost me about B400 with the road toll to get to the hotel, not bad. I had just been in Phuket and was pretty oriented as far as the hours went. It was time to begin my real vacation.

My criteria for my first time was that I wanted something upscale with as much TLC as I could get. A Plaza soapie sounded like what I was after. I bought a BTS together with a MTR pass and was off. After about an hour or so I managed to find the Prince hotel and the Plaza Complex. I went from the MTR station to the Prince on foot. I have to say I almost gave up a couple of times as the area has very poor lighting and walking in that area at night is quite creepy. By the time I found the place it had turned quite dark. When I entered the Plaza, there must have been at least 50 girls on one side and a dozen behind the glass. I saw a lot of 7’s and couple of 8’s . I decided to check out upstairs and I am not sure but I think this was Delilah. However there were no signs to suggest anything. As I get off the elevator a 9 is standing in front of me waiting for her client. This chick was stacked in a tight low cut leather outfit. A wet dream by any measure. Some SOB ‘s have all the luck . Being quite deprived myself I went back down and joined the rest of the farangs checking the scene. The hostess approached me and tells me the pricing structure. While she is talking to I noticed a shy 8 in a low cut pink outfit that caught my eye behind the glass. And so my soapie began. The quality of this girl was outstanding. Beautiful face, and nicely stacked .Being a T & A man, I tend to be quite choosy. Flat girls just do not do anything for me. This girl had all of the necessary requirements. Her services were not rushed . We did the bath, the soapie , CBJ , DATY, Russian, more CBJ with me being on top. Alas the Jet lag and the long walk had taken its toll and I could not complete the deal. So I had her finish with a back massage. I was happy I got to taste a gorgeous 22 year old for 2 hours. Absolutely worth every baht. Satisfied yet slightly disappointed I walked back to MTR station passing the Turkish Baths and the Harlem. It was 10: 00 pm I called it a night.

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Well, the movers came yesterday afternoon, packed up all my stuff, and I suddenly found myself homeless. "No problem, I thought - I'll just call Livingstones".

So, after more than a year of maintaining an apartment in Bangkok, and being a semi-regular visitor of the Sports Bar and benefactor of Giotto's famous hospitality, I finally stayed at Livingstones Lodge on Sukhumvit Soi 33.

Being that my TGF was in attendance, the festivities were somewhat ah, limited. However, I had a "deluxe" room, which was spacious, clean, and was stocked with 3 sets of bath towels (nudge, nudge, Thor93) to service the jacuzzi/spa thingie that looked like it was designed for two, but could fit 4. Or 6, depending on how cozy one wanted to be.

Alas, it had been a very long and busy day, and we chose to retire to the comfy bed rather than engage in water activities (but I should've asked if down pillows were available - foam pillows just don't work for me).

TGF couldn't figure out the spa plumbing anyway (what is it about TGs: they just can't seem to handle more than one water spigot!). I couldn't quite get why the bathroom floor had 6 levels, tho (OK, it was only 3, but I found one on my way to the toilet late at night).

Oh, and Piper, you'll be happy to know my 5:30am wake up call was only a couple minutes late. ;^)

All-in-all, a good place to stay at a reasonable price, and highly recommended. I'll be staying there when I can get back to BKK. The late-night giggling adds to the atmosphere, for sure! ;^)

In the meantime, I'm trying to keep a stiff upper lip, since I haven't seen much in the UK to make other body parts stiff (well, OK, I exagerate slightly, but not whole lot.)

Cheers,
-Y

saturday

i decided to experience the bj bar called [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]’s off the nana plaza area. this was a bit of a disappointment. i got there a at 1:30 pm and only saw 5’s 6’s and one 7. one of the 6’s approached me to go upstairs but i just did not think she was my type and so i declined hoping some better talent would show up. the only 7 was getting busy with a client next to me. i could tell as she would giggle every time the guys hand would disappear under her skirt. kinky kinky , that much i have to admit. i hung around for about 1 hour and then left . too bad , i really had high hopes.

after supper i decided to hit the nep. my first bar was hollywoods. the chicks on the round stage and the pulsating music got me into the door. gotta tell you the drinks are super expensive. i sat through the wall flower show for about 1 hour and decided to move on. my next stop was the rainbow 3 room. now this was cooking, as i saw both of the stages jammed packed with girls. mostly 6’s but a few 8’s. the 8’s were being snapped up mostly by obnoxious acting drunk farangs. what is it with alcohol ? i get the feeling that these characters get their courage from the bottle. must be a form of insecurity or something. i don’t know about anyone else, but i like to be nice , awake and sober when i have a hot babe in font or on top of me.
i started to make eye contact with one of the 8’s. i worked at it for over 15 minutes, but she would not return the contact. she kept staring into the distance or some other place. i got the hint she was not really interested. too bad, she was smoking. oh the things i would have loved to have done with her. i had heard about bias towards certain groups that these girls have, i guess this must have been one of those cases. just my luck. i hung around there till midnight and then called it a day.

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Sunday

Having had a bummer Saturday, I was getting depravation pains. For God’s sake this was Bangkok, a man should not have these kinds of days. Little did I know I was about to be taught another important lesson on this day. This was New Years eve and I wanted to get what I needed and then hit the parties.

As Angels was sighted quite a few times, I decided on this MP and off I went. After getting off the BTS I spent an hour in the hot sun looking for this SOI. I finally found the place at about 3:00 PM. The hostess tells me to look at the photo album and choose. Almost every selection I wanted was busy. I was told to wait half an hour and someone will be freed. It is interesting to note that not all girls will go out with farangs. I was told this by the hostess about one of my selections. Also it seems, that Sunday is there busiest day. Finally I saw one of my selection come down and I snapped her up hoping she still had energy after her last session. Having given massages I know the amount of energy used up. She was wearing a loose red sweat shirt which was more equivalent to a Middle eastern Burka dress then anything else. .I have to admit I did have second thoughts at this point. But having faith imparted to me from this board I crossed my fingers and up I went. She gets me to strip in front of her and have me take a shower. She on the other hand took off her burka and is now in bikini outfit. This chick was smoking hot! I had to pat myself on an obviously good choice. She gives me a back massage while making the much-needed bond building conversation in English. I find chicks with conversational skills enhance the GFE. At one point she did mention she was tired, as I had suspected. While she is giving my massage, I am eagerly anticipating the offering of the options. Come on options. Finally, about 1 hour into it she offers me the options. Naturally I took the B1500 everything options. She giggled at me and proceeded to take of her bikini to reveal a beautiful natural sets of breasts. We proceeded to CBJ, HJ and the Russian. She was so hot and wet. But the stinkin heat and dehydration had done me in once again. After about another 45 minutes it was obvious I was not going to complete. She asked me if I had sex the night before and I made some lame excuse. As I had not completed she charged me for the work she had done to that point and I called it a day. Another freakin bummer. The heat exhaustion is a real mother. This was a lesson I was not going to forget. Needless to say the New Years Eve was a write off with the terrorists shutting down all the parties.

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Monday

Monday was another write off. Determined not to play the heat stroke card again I started using taxis. I took one to the Prince hotel and had the driver drop me off at the lobby. All the time that I am in the car, the driver keeps pushing Cupididy. Are you sure you don’t want to go to Cupididy was the question he must asked about 15 times. I assured him no. Finally I said it sounds like you want to go there. To which he replies resoundingly yes, yes and I want to fuck ,fuck and fuck. I said to myself, what a horny mother.

The Plaza was a bust, as they only had 3 girls and none behind the glass. The manager said none were being expected either . Damn shame really. I was all fired up and nowhere to go. Against better judgement I went into Cupididy. To my surprise there were about 10 girls in there. While waiting to see if more would arrive I struck up conversation with a couple of guests there. While I am talking one of the morons who works there pulls up next to me and starts staring at us talking . I took it for about 10 min and turned around and asked him about the rates of the place. He grunts something that I could not make out and leaves. This was now 8:00 pm and I decided to get supper. So I stepped out and came back at 10:00. The talent had definitely improved and I started anticipating . The same moron approaches me and starts staring at me. Being polite I asked him the rates again and he blurts out that I had been here many times and that I should already know the rates. I explained to him that this was my first time, I had just stepped out and returning . At this point I started questioning as to why I have to explain anything to this character, after all I am the guy with the money he wants. He blurts out the rates. I check my wallet and ask if they take cards. To which he replies a 10% surcharge will be levied. That was it I had enough and left for the evening. Too bad there were a couple of potentials there. Dissatisfied I walked into, I think it was called Empire, massage. As expected only 5’s 6’s were there so I decided to keep my money and left.

Tuesday- The final day

As you can imagine I was pretty desperate by now. This was my final day in the much hyped up Bangkok and I really had not gotten my fill. I was determined to use the lessons of the past to my advantage. To begin with I was going to find a MP that was open in morning so that if it was a dud I would have another shot at night. Scouring through the board Tulip was mentioned in a couple of postings. Having decided for this place I arrived there at 10:30 am and discovered that the place does not open until 11:00 am. As I was there at the opening I am pretty sure I was the first one there. This assured me a fresh energized session. Boy was I right! I had a girl from Chang Mia. Nicely stacked 5’3” and very well skilled. Knew exactly what to do . We begin with shower together. On to a very sensual oily back massage. Hands down one of the best I have ever had. An hour into it I was really getting turned on. She was just very highly skilled. Without even mentioning the options she proceeded to give me a very passionate and much welcomed BBBJ . Now this was what I needed, no doubt about it. On to DATY and a 69. After about 20 minutes of this I was finished. I have to say she has now set the new high for me. I cannot wait to see her again.

At 4:30 am I left Bangkok for the USA.

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[quote=abc2]saturday

i decided to experience the bj bar called [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]’s off the nana plaza area. this was a bit of a disappointment. i got there a at 1:30 pm and only saw 5’s 6’s and one 7. one of the 6’s approached me to go upstairs but i just did not think she was my type and so i declined hoping some better talent would show up. the only 7 was getting busy with a client next to me. i could tell as she would giggle every time the guys hand would disappear under her skirt. kinky kinky , that much i have to admit. i hung around for about 1 hour and then left . too bad , i really had high hopes.[/quote]

at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] bangkok, i recommend a young cutie named aum. she's the only 9 in the place, and, as you pointed out, there's nobody else there above a 7. and, she's got skills (they all do, but for some reason, the same skills seem better when your dick is inside the mouth of a real hottie). but she's shy and she tends to hang in the back of the group, rather than beseeching you to take her, like several of the others do.

ABC

What's with the heat exhaustion? It's winter and quite cool in BKK at the moment. Come here in April when it's 40 celcius and feel what real heat is.

Secondly, you couldn't have picked a worst time to be here. Most of the girls go home for New Years. So, all that's left, as a friend of mine quipped last night are the "desperate and psychotic."

[QUOTE=SB Lumens]Just to be clear due to transliteration, you mean the Soi that is between the expressway (also former Soi 0) and Wittayu (Wireless), right? But, I think this place is just east of Wittayu, right?

SB[/QUOTE]
Rum Rudi is between Wireless Road and the expressway. However, it curves and intersects Wireless after a couple of Kilometers. This is where you will find Neil's. It's pretty close to Wireless. If you go to Neil's be prepared to spend a lot of $$$.

I spent a few days here for a transit flight to Egypt around Chrismas. Have not been in BKK for quite a long while so I was expecting to get some nice Thai cuties. But again the sex scene in general is disappointing.

I spent about 1 whole days going around many soapies looking for a nice cutie with nice figure. After hunting in so many countries with gorgeous stunners, I don't like to compromise on a short stay. I started from Petburi from 4 PM, checking out Avita, Nancy, Meree, Bangkok Cosy, Riviera, each place I sat down for sometimes ordering some drinks and foods to carefully select a cutie, but after all these shops and 4 hours later I still could not find a nice cutie with sexy figure in the whole Petburi areas. So I was again disappointed in the scarecity of cuties in Thailand these days.

Moved to Ratchda areas, started from my most dislike Nataree, which is notorious for the worst room in Thailand, but has good selections most of the times. There were about 20 sideliners cost from 2200-3000 and another 15 fish tank body massage girls. There was only a girl at 3000 bahts that I consider worth doing but nowhere nearly the super cutie level. The shop was really crowded with groups of Chinese. Koreans ect. When I was about to call this 3000 baht semi-cutie, someone else called her already. So I decided to moved on to Poseidon.

Entered the shop at about 10PM, the place was packed like sardines in the second floor with almost no girls on display. The papasan told me all working so I walked to the back to another shop. I think its called Copacabana. There were only 3 very so so sidelines at 3000 each and a few unattractive ones in the fish tank.

By this time I was getting tired of the search and decided to go to CM2 at Novotel Siam to end the night. Was there about midnight and lots of workers there. I searched into the darkness and talked to a few potentials and these girls are trying to win a big lottery by asking at least 3k to 5k ST. They are not even cuties in my eyes. I was a bit disappointed that Thailand has become so hard to get a nice cutie, compared to recent years that I have also conqured the China scenes and the over abundance and availability of stunners there.

For the finale I left CM2 and check out the Siam Hotel scene. Most of the girls have moved to the back of the hotel along the railroad track. Must have about one hundred girls all along the railroad track. There were some cuties but no one was cheerful and friendly. Still this is a very Thai place. I finally find a so so semi cutie under the tree at the hotel parking lot with papasan managers all around. I paid the papasan 1500 ST and the girl only wanted to go ST at the Siam Hotel. Another 500 for ST.

The girl was somewhat cute, nowhere near super, and with no tits so I was little turned down already. The sex was very mechanical. Covered BJ and emotionless intercourse ended my night after only about 30 min of dullness.

Again I was disppointed at BKK scenes again on the quality and selection on this trip. My mind was still lingering in China with litearally hundreds of beautiful girls in each the saunas and KTVs to overwhelm your eye sights. Apparently this doesn't happen in the Thai secens any more.

[QUOTE=RCA Knight]I spent a few days here for a transit flight to Egypt around Chrismas. Have not been in BKK for quite a long while so I was expecting to get some nice Thai cuties. But again the sex scene in general is disappointing.[/QUOTE]
Well, since that's the case, you should probably not bother with Thailand anymore. Leave it for us folks with lower standards.

If you can't find a good looking woman in Bangok to get together with, it's not her fault, it's yours.

Go look in the mirror.

[QUOTE=RCA Knight]I spent a few days here for a transit flight to Egypt around Chrismas. Have not been in BKK for quite a long while so I was expecting to get some nice Thai cuties. But again the sex scene in general is disappointing.
.......
[/QUOTE]

Hmm,
hard to beleive. You should put up a sample picture about your standard you are expecting.

Your standard is either to high for the price you are looking for (Did you check the 5-10k Bhat region exept for CM2 overquoated area).
Or your standard, respectively specific attributes do simply not fit to an asian gender.

For me I could have sampled numerous cuties if given anough time and power. However as we all know cute is only one parameter to have an enjoyable experience. The talks before decision is as well important and ....

regards

Brain666

[QUOTE=RCA Knight]Again I was disppointed at BKK scenes again on the quality and selection on this trip. My mind was still lingering in China with litearally hundreds of beautiful girls in each the saunas and KTVs to overwhelm your eye sights. Apparently this doesn't happen in the Thai secens any more.[/QUOTE]

RCA,

Is China your home base? I have seen your posts on the China and Japan threads. It seems you have a thing for the Dalian girls. I spend a fair amount of time in Asia, with stops in Japan, HK, China, Korea, Thailand among my stops each year. I think you are in the minority, when not finding high quality lookers in Thailand. There must be something in the Thai look that does not suit your tastes. That's too bad, since you are clearly missing out on some of the most beautiful woman in the world. The Thai girls seem to be the only Asian girls you seem to knock. You have your reasons, but it does seem odd.

I have been to China many times and yes there are some beauties there, but Thailand does not take a back seat to the scene there. Just my two cents.

AT2

[QUOTE=ABC2]Monday

Monday was another write off. Determined not to play the heat stroke card again I started using taxis. I took one to the Prince hotel and had the driver drop me off at the lobby. All the time that I am in the car, the driver keeps pushing Cupididy. Are you sure you don’t want to go to Cupididy was the question he must asked about 15 times. I assured him no. Finally I said it sounds like you want to go there. To which he replies resoundingly yes, yes and I want to fuck ,fuck and fuck. I said to myself, what a horny mother.

The Plaza was a bust, as they only had 3 girls and none behind the glass. The manager said none were being expected either . Damn shame really. I was all fired up and nowhere to go. Against better judgement I went into Cupididy. To my surprise there were about 10 girls in there. While waiting to see if more would arrive I struck up conversation with a couple of guests there. While I am talking one of the morons who works there pulls up next to me and starts staring at us talking . I took it for about 10 min and turned around and asked him about the rates of the place. He grunts something that I could not make out and leaves. This was now 8:00 pm and I decided to get supper. So I stepped out and came back at 10:00. The talent had definitely improved and I started anticipating . The same moron approaches me and starts staring at me. Being polite I asked him the rates again and he blurts out that I had been here many times and that I should already know the rates. I explained to him that this was my first time, I had just stepped out and returning . At this point I started questioning as to why I have to explain anything to this character, after all I am the guy with the money he wants. He blurts out the rates. I check my wallet and ask if they take cards. To which he replies a 10% surcharge will be levied. That was it I had enough and left for the evening. Too bad there were a couple of potentials there. Dissatisfied I walked into, I think it was called Empire, massage. As expected only 5’s 6’s were there so I decided to keep my money and left.

Tuesday- The final day

As you can imagine I was pretty desperate by now. This was my final day in the much hyped up Bangkok and I really had not gotten my fill. I was determined to use the lessons of the past to my advantage. To begin with I was going to find a MP that was open in morning so that if it was a dud I would have another shot at night. Scouring through the board Tulip was mentioned in a couple of postings. Having decided for this place I arrived there at 10:30 am and discovered that the place does not open until 11:00 am. As I was there at the opening I am pretty sure I was the first one there. This assured me a fresh energized session. Boy was I right! I had a girl from Chang Mia. Nicely stacked 5’3” and very well skilled. Knew exactly what to do . We begin with shower together. On to a very sensual oily back massage. Hands down one of the best I have ever had. An hour into it I was really getting turned on. She was just very highly skilled. Without even mentioning the options she proceeded to give me a very passionate and much welcomed BBBJ . Now this was what I needed, no doubt about it. On to DATY and a 69. After about 20 minutes of this I was finished. I have to say she has now set the new high for me. I cannot wait to see her again.

At 4:30 am I left Bangkok for the USA.

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The cabbies will try to take you to a place that gives them a commission, and that is often a dump. If you see tour busses in the MP parking lot it usually means a Chinese tour group is there with all the good ones upstairs. When you get to BKK you have to hit the ground running. If you get good booty on arrival you set precident. If you strike out your trip could be jinxed. The bangkok tonight website has maps of all the sudzy joints, but never trust a cabbie or took-took to take you there although a took took dude took me to j-1 and I had a good experience. The second time I want to J-1 the pappasan hooked me up with the prettiest one, that had a huge natural rack and she was horrid. There is so much fine booty in Bkk, and they don't care what you look like at the sudsy massage places. When you strike out, the skankier ones can see the desperation in your eyes and they will hook you and chump you silly. If there is no booty, just wait until the next day and hit the sudzy places in the afternoon before they get busy. Once you get superior satisfaction, you will get the self confidance up. Just because they look disinterested doesn't mean you won't get good play. It ain't like shooting fish in a barrell, but more like the fish jumps out at you.
I did have one bad experience years back in BKK as I was there on Friday the 13th. The Seik Tailors at a shop warned me to be careful that night and told me that that date was jinxy in all cultures. Strange stuff happened that night. Every single girl I hooked up with was either methed out, a Lady Boy or just plain strange. I had to have the Nana security eject 3 of them as they would not leave the hotel. At that point you bail and go to Pattaya or book a flight to somewhere else.

[QUOTE=Burkmere]Well, I've only been to BKK twice and the second time was in November. I visited the Biergarten on Soi 7 for the first time and met some cuties! I'm 52 and look younger. A fairly attractive guy. There were some cuties in there.

But. How much do you guys pay for ST or LT? I guess I need to know. I'll be back in Feb.

In fact, if anyone wants to meet up, I'll be staying at the Majestic Suites and taking jaunts to Chiang Mai and HCMC.[/QUOTE]

Burkmere,

The girls will ask for 1,000 - 3,000 bath LT in BKK, depending on her looks and demand. You decide if you think she's worth the asking price or you negotiate. ST rates are about 1/2 the LT rate. Even the term LT can have different meanings for the girls. The term should apply to overnight, but these days it means 2-3 hours for some girls. With ST meaning one pop for those mercenaries. Make sure both of you are on the same wave length.

You will find more than enough girls willing to do an all nighter for 2,000 baht or less.

AT2

To me it seems like the pay scene from 5 years ago has changed a lot compared to now in BKK. The present seems like the top quality workers are not much available in conventional venues in Thailand. I have been in and out of Thailand for over 10 years so I see the drastic changes in last 5 years or so.

There was the real nice cutie class available in conventioanl venues like in massages, agogos, ect over 5 years ago, but this class has drastically shrank and gone into the more privatized venues such as gentlemen lounges, high end karaokes, members clubs, this change has been observed by several other long time members as well.

I go China quite often since 2 years ago, I don't post much there because I mostly hunt for non-pro students or office girls in Northern China where I have the best success rates. And I have found a few really nice regulars to keep me occupied during my trips. And I also monger for pros sometimes in Zuhai, Dongguang, Changping in southern Canton, but there are so many great posts already by China experts and are very helpful already.

To my own experiences, I think the southern China pay scene at this moment is winning over some of the traditional monger powers like Thailand, Filippines, Cambodia, ect in quality/price performance and in selection. I reveal my personal obervation for others as reference when they are comparing and choosing the next destinations in Asia.

[QUOTE=RCA Knight]To me it seems like the pay scene from 5 years ago has changed a lot compared to now in BKK. The present seems like the top quality workers are not much available in conventional venues in Thailand. I have been in and out of Thailand for over 10 years so I see the drastic changes in last 5 years or so.

There was the real nice cutie class available in conventioanl venues like in massages, agogos, ect over 5 years ago, but this class has drastically shrank and gone into the more privatized venues such as gentlemen lounges, high end karaokes, members clubs, this change has been observed by several other long time members as well.

[/QUOTE]

Maybe they are the same girls, just five years older.

RCA

With regional economies much stronger than they were 5 years ago, three things are happening which are reducing drastically the quality of P4P "cuties" (as you say) in the conventional locales.

Firstly, some girls have left the scene to work conventionally because there are more jobs and salaries have increased significantly.

Secondly, as you say many have moved up-market to private men's clubs frequented mainly by Asians, which relates to my final point.

Most significantly, there are a lot more Japanese, Koreans, Hong Kong Chinese and even mainland Chinese doing business here. Consequently, many of the best-looking girls have been cherry-picked by these guys and set up in apartments as mia noi.

Old Thai Hand:

I agree with your 3 points, especially the last 2.

Up till the end of 90's, there were still at least a few super cuties in almost all the massages, agogos, the conventional market. But from the end of the 90's came the rapid expansion of gentlemen class venues, shops like Carribbean, Orbit, Exotica, the Resort, the Pent, Forte, Piano, ect, just to name a few, plus the expansion of Thaniya street high end Japanese venues, this cutie class has rapidly drifted into this high end market. Now they are nearly off the conventional market in Thailand.

The last point also so true. The Thai cuties in recent years are more and more daring in hunting sugar papas. If they hang out in discos or work in this high end venues for a while, they are bound to find some rich sugar papa for big financial support. Then this group is off the market as well.

I prefer China now because there is still a big abundance of this super cutie class even in the cheapest conventional market. And lots of them are still so friendly and naive and so fresh. Not to mention China still has a huge freebie scene as well which Thailand in recent years has gone totally extinct.

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[QUOTE=RCA Knight]Not to mention China still has a huge freebie scene as well which Thailand in recent years has gone totally extinct.[/QUOTE]I don't agree with this at all. I rarely P4P. Thailand is obviously full of non-P4P women who are relatively easy to get, if you live here. It may be true that they are all but out-of-bounds for the visitor. But, I would hardly say freebies are extinct.

[QUOTE=RCA Knight]Old Thai Hand:

I agree with your 3 points, especially the last 2.

Up till the end of 90's, there were still at least a few super cuties in almost all the massages, agogos, the conventional market. But from the end of the 90's came the rapid expansion of gentlemen class venues, shops like Carribbean, Orbit, Exotica, the Resort, the Pent, Forte, Piano, ect, just to name a few, plus the expansion of Thaniya street high end Japanese venues, this cutie class has rapidly drifted into this high end market. Now they are nearly off the conventional market in Thailand.

The last point also so true. The Thai cuties in recent years are more and more daring in hunting sugar papas. If they hang out in discos or work in this high end venues for a while, they are bound to find some rich sugar papa for big financial support. Then this group is off the market as well.

I prefer China now because there is still a big abundance of this super cutie class even in the cheapest conventional market. And lots of them are still so friendly and naive and so fresh. Not to mention China still has a huge freebie scene as well which Thailand in recent years has gone totally extinct.[/QUOTE]RCA,

I have been going to BKK for more than 15 years. Yes, there have been changes, but nothing that affects the P4P or freebie scene to any significant degree. At least not for me. Sure, the prices have gone up over time, but so have my wages. Not sure what happened to you recently, but obviously something is bothering you about the BKK scene right now.

I am enjoying BKK as much as ever. In fact, I would say more than ever, with the benefits of the BTS, more Restaurant and hotel options than ever before. Add to that, there are still more girls in a central location than anywhere on the planet, and it's all good in my eyes.

I go to China too, and while I'm no expert, I don't think the scene is better there. Maybe for insiders, similar to Japan, but not for the casual visitor. There's more ground to cover, so it's not as convenient. The language issue is a much bigger obstacle there. Most of all, it's just not as comfortable for a visitor in terms of the mongering and freebie scene. There's always a sense of trouble around the corner or the chance of a major rip off there, for a newcomer.

Are you working for a China tour agency or somehow connected to the visitor industry there? LOL! Hey, you may be genuinely disappointed. If you have found your Nirvana in China, more power to you. I don't think you will convince many others though.

Peace!
AT2

Is anyone familiar with the Pent Executive Club? I may have the name wrong, since I going off memory, but hopefully someone knows what I'm talking about. There's a stage with a band, and a back bar area, where there are a number of lookers. Maybe this is the Pent that RCA was referring to.

I was there as a guest of a business group, and did not feel comfortable about asking what was on the menu. We ate, drank and had the company of several of the girls. A couple of the hosts got tanked and started dancing with the girls. No one left with anyone that I could tell.

How does that place work? Just a hostess club or is take out on the menu? If it is, what's the fee?

AT2

I think that even for non residents there are still plenty of freebies available. Wages may have increased but plenty of local TG, not into P2P, looking for long term relationships with foreigners and will work hard to try and catch one. Last time I was in Thailand, last November, I spent most of my time with a non-P2P TG and it didn't take me long to find other travellers who also managed to hook up with someone too.

Thai Girls aren't looking for the same as their equivelents in the West, they're looking for a 'good guy' who will look after them. Age doesn't factor as much in their ideas of who they're looking for and I've heard them use the same term again and again when describing the man they want - a leader. I pulled girls that I would never have a hope in hell of even getting close to back home and I'm no Brad Pit!

I never imagined spending so much time being checked out by their family but once you prove yourself in their eyes they'll pretty much do anything for you.

[QUOTE=Fun Times69]I think that even for non residents there are still plenty of freebies available. Wages may have increased but plenty of local TG, not into P2P, looking for long term relationships with foreigners and will work hard to try and catch one. Last time I was in Thailand, last November, I spent most of my time with a non-P2P TG and it didn't take me long to find other travellers who also managed to hook up with someone too.

Thai Girls aren't looking for the same as their equivelents in the West, they're looking for a 'good guy' who will look after them. Age doesn't factor as much in their ideas of who they're looking for and I've heard them use the same term again and again when describing the man they want - a leader. I pulled girls that I would never have a hope in hell of even getting close to back home and I'm no Brad Pit!

I never imagined spending so much time being checked out by their family but once you prove yourself in their eyes they'll pretty much do anything for you.[/QUOTE]But don't kid yourself about freebies. In the end they are far more expensive then P4P, unless you are going to just play them with promises and then leave without a word. Personally I would find it hard to lie that much. Once one of these non-P4P girls decide you are it for her, they don't let go. And "looking after them" does usually involve money although it might never openly be spoken about.

I agree with Thor93. I´m not an LOS-expert but I was hooked up with a freebie in BKK once. It was my first trip to LOS and it was fun - all day and night long - until I was leaving back home.

Then it was no fun anymore - the girl was "hunting" for a better life with me in my country. For her it was no fun anymore - not for me either. I can´t do that anymore so now it´s P2P for me. I felt very bad when I turned her down the last day - no good.

Yes! Only 3 more days and I´m back in LOS for 14 days of "the good life"

[QUOTE=Thor93]But don't kid yourself about freebies. In the end they are far more expensive then P4P, unless you are going to just play them with promises and then leave without a word. Personally I would find it hard to lie that much. Once one of these non-P4P girls decide you are it for her, they don't let go. And "looking after them" does usually involve money although it might never openly be spoken about.[/QUOTE]You're completely right. I was just commenting on some people thinking that Bangkok isn't a place to pick up stunners anymore. You still can find them both on the non-P2P scene and down Soi Cowboy. I appreciate that everyone has their own tastes but I've never failed to see some decent chicks whether it be down Cowboy or in a local nightclub.

[QUOTE=Thor93]But don't kid yourself about freebies. In the end they are far more expensive then P4P, unless you are going to just play them with promises and then leave without a word. Personally I would find it hard to lie that much. Once one of these non-P4P girls decide you are it for her, they don't let go. And "looking after them" does usually involve money although it might never openly be spoken about.[/QUOTE]No offense. But, I always think this argument is stupid. If your preference is no-strings-attached P4P, and you like the girls, more power to you. But, using this old argument that regular TGs are more expensive than P4P doesn't take into account several other more important factors for me, anyway:

a/ that P4P girls are at the bottom of the heap as far as looks go, when compared to what's available in the wider population.

b/ that years in the biz corrupts P4P girls and makes them generally less agreeable, and in many cases downright nasty, not to mention just not very Thai when compared to the far sweeter and good-natured regular TGs.

c/ that while it may be true that money can be a factor with all Thai women, the return on the investment is much more rewarding than it could ever be with the cash-and-carry nature of P4P.

Of course this is only my subjective opinion, but still based on years of experience in both camps.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]No offense. But ...

Of course this is only my subjective opinion, but still based on years of experience in both camps.[/QUOTE]There's truth in both your and Thor's POV's. Depends on what you want: easy, no-strings-attached sex, or a relationship with a non-pro, including all the complications (positive and negative).

While I still enjoy the quick and easy, I must be getting old, as I'm now trying to set-up a girlfriend situation. Had a real cute French blonde lined up (we got to first base on first date a couple of weeks ago), but dammit, she emailed me today that she's leaving Dubai in a few weeks! See, girlfriends can be inconvenient. ;)

[QUOTE=Thor93]But don't kid yourself about freebies. In the end they are far more expensive then P4P, unless you are going to just play them with promises and then leave without a word. Personally I would find it hard to lie that much. Once one of these non-P4P girls decide you are it for her, they don't let go. And "looking after them" does usually involve money although it might never openly be spoken about.[/QUOTE]I have to agree with you that in the long run non-P4P girls are far more expensive. They usually get the house and you get the mortgage.

If it flies, floats or fucks--rent it.

Agreed. there is always the risk of a TOO GFE.

While enjoyable, way too much baggage.

The guys who promise the world and then bag it are some of lowest forms of life around. Not fair, not nice. Serious power trip.

According to some friends of mine, it is also a risky venture if you ever show your sorry ass around bkk again. You may end up feeding the ducks. ;)

Just came back from a business trip/vacation combo over Xmas in Bangkok. This was my first time to Thailand, and I relied on much of the information I picked up from this board. Thanks a lot, guys, for sharing! During my 4 days in BKK, I tried to make my experience as diverse as possible – that is, to try many venues and make my own mistakes. So, with all due below is my 2 cent contribution to the community.

Day 1 (Friday)

I arrived to the new Suvarnabhumi airport around 9 pm on a flight from Shanghai. The new Bangkok airport is now the largest in Asia and is pretty efficient, from what I could see. After proceeding fairly quickly through passport control and luggage pick-up, I headed straight to the Taxi at the ground floor. As you approach the start of the line, an English-speaking clerk takes the name of the hotel you are going to and writes it down in Thai for the driver. Without major traffic, it takes about 35 mins to get to Sukhumvit area from the airport. Guys, please ignore the touts that try to sell you a ride, or you’ll end up paying 3 to 5 times as much!

After checking into Ambassador hotel, went to Nana Plaza, just a short walk from the Hotel, as it was already pretty late (around midnight). Quickly walked by a few bars, and Rainbow 4 looked most promising. Other bars had just a handful of girls, some as little as two! I got the mandatory drink at Rainbow 4 and made a few approaches, but was rejected off bat by a nice looking Thai girl that had most clothes on among diverse crowd! Such a blow to one’s self esteem – I would like to think that’s not because I am ugly looking (I am in my late 30s, fit and not bold) but because the girls I approached were already engaged by their sugar daddies for the night (though this does not explain why they were still at the bar at this late hour). Who cares, anyway? I picked up an 8 looking girl who spoke some English, and we went to the hotel. Apparently, official 1 am bar closing time is not enforced at NEP, as when I was leaving around 2 am, some bars (including Rainbow 4) stayed open, albeit with fewer girls available on the floor. My second blow was coming up as I entered the Hotel lobby. When I was making my reservation at Ambassador, the management told me on the phone that “guests were allowed”. There was a caveat, though, as security set up trap near the elevators and made me pay 650B on the spot for bringing a guest into the room. They produced some laminated worn out piece of paper saying that they are authorized to collect 650B for “hotel guests” in cash. I tried to argue at first, as I didn’t take enough cash on me as this was totally unexpected, but in the end it became obvious there was no way around and my mood was spoiled anyway, so with my lady of the night covering the shortage, we proceeded to the room. The price we agreed on was 1500B for short time, and my experience was OK.

Day 2 (Saturday)

Following advice of one of the posts here, checked Beer Garden around 1 pm and it saw a few freelancers there – by looks single moms in their late 20s and 30s. Nothing really exciting. Went to a cruise along the canals on the western side of the Chao Phraya river – definitely worth it. BTW, if you are interested in tourist activities other than traditional mongering, try to avoid taking taxis ! You’ll be stuck in traffic any time of day and the driver will try his best to take advantage of you to bring you places you were not intending of going to, or taking a long detour on the way or bringing you to one of the shops so they could get a free tank of gasoline or something for bringing you there ! Much better way : take skytrain to Saphan Taksin (terminal) station and a special tourist boat from there. It cost 100B for all you can ride for a day with unlimited in and out priviledges and stops at 13 piers that cover most of the traditional “touristy” places.

Anyway, at around 7 at night, I went to Long Gun on Soy Cowboy and saw what is supposedly the most artistic and inventive show they put up that could be called “all things pussy”. A few “stars” perform tricks blowing all kind of things with their pussies, smoking cigarettes, shooting darts into balloons, blowing birthday candies, ets. Amusing, but not very arousing to my taste. But definitely worth seeing for the price of one soft drink (75B). Surprisingly, I saw a few female visitors there – either curious or trying to pick up the skill ? Later returned to NEP and after scouting a few bars, went to Cascade on the upper floor and was immediately isolated by a group of 3 girls putting my hands on their breasts and probing my crouch. I was trying to watch costume holiday show that apparently has been well choreographed and rehearsed, but one lady in the front was pretty aggressive and completely blocking my view. Two of them were trying to get me to barfine both of them and the third one fought them over by inserting my hand in all private parts and made a lot of fuss. One of the first two girls had quite lowly voice. Bells went on my head but her breasts were superb – warm, soft and natural and I even quickly probed in between her legs – all looked pretty natural. She took my move as being desperate and pushed against me even more. Quoted 1000B short time – she said she gave me a discount because she was horny and desperate to fuck me (sure!). At this point, I was completely confused – and curious – and drunk – and aroused – so I agreed and we went to a short time hotel at NEP that cost me another 300B in addition to her 600B barfine. I asked her to take a shower and at first she resisted but then reluctantly took her panties off … boy she was not shaved … and what is that ?! I became sober in a split second as though a pot of iced water was poured at me – my worst suspicion was confirmed ! (S)he didn’t have a penis per se, but it looked like a very small dick tucked inside and there were no scars on the breasts like you see on a woman with blown-in silicon - none ! I don’t know how they do it in Thailand – may be this one is an artwork of one of those Thai magic healers separating tissue with their bare hands – but whatever it is, could not believe my eyes (and other senses). I know, guys, admitting to this make one look like an idiot – as all obvious tell tale signs were there – aggressiveness, lowly voice, narrow hips, unusually big tits for a Thai woman, etc. but apparently I was doped ! If I were to testify in my defense, the only argument I could put forward in front of the court would have been that I was somewhat drunk and my little head ruled over the big one for a while - but what an experience. In the end, 900B ($27) is not a high price to pay for education. So in conclusion – ladyboys are very active at NEP – watch out – if a girl has big tits – (s)he may be a he ! This make me think how gender boundary is really blurred – what do you call travesties?

Day 3 (Sunday)

It was a Sunday, the day when, according to cabbies and people at the hotel, traffic was (supposed to be) minimal, so I decided to do some sightseeing during the day. I took skytrain to National Stadium and a taxi from there.

I found that, generally speaking, it’s a bad idea to engage into any conversation with a cabbie. Paradoxically, sometimes you can’t tell him the exact place you are going to, but rather have to come up with some well known tourist establishment within walking distance from where you need to go. And I don’t necessarily mean massage parlors that pay commissions to taxies to bring customers in that are then passed onto you. I told the driver to take me to the Chang Pho pier for a sightseeing cruise along the canals. On the way driver engaged me in conversation, asking what my plans were at the pier. I mentioned that I was going on a long boat cruise and added that I was meeting up with someone over there (that was a lie) to rule out any touting on his side. He got me to the pier, and pretty soon I realized I was in some forgotten place in Southern Bangkok that had nothing to do with Chang Pho near Wat Phra Kaeo. He brought me to his buddy’s house so that he could sell me a boat ride and get his kick-back. I was in unidentified place one on one with an elderly man who spoke no word in English. I ran back to the Taxi, as he was leaving, jumped in and pointed to the map. The driver was silent for a while and then said it will cost additional 200B to get to Chang Po as it was “far away”. Unfortunately, I have already paid him for the previous ride. I threatened to report him to Tourist Police if he didn’t take me where I told him to but this had no effect on him (or he pretended not to understand). I got out and could not get another taxi in that god forgotten place, so I hailed a Tuk Tuk. Another big mistake on my part. My Sunday outfit – white pants and blue shirt - was completely covered with soot in the first 2 minutes. The driver asked where I was from – and immediately shouted back – “a-a-h, Amer-r-rika !!!” in a tone of voice similar to a suicide bomber shouting his last words - “Allah Arba !!!”. He said he is going nowhere unless I stop by a shopping center called Manhattan where I just need to take a “lookie” for 10 or 15 minutes, no need to but anything - so that he can get a free tank of gas. I tried to protest, saying I was out of time, didn’t have money for shopping, etc. to no avail. The driver kept humming some tune and saying “Akey, Akey” with an assertive nodding of his head. At this point I was at a boiling temperature and weighing my options. I could have simply jumped off at an intersection when the guy was stopped, but I had no idea where I was on the map, so decided to keep going, hoping that Manhattan was close to a skytrain station or some other identifiable place where I could take public transportation and escape this nightmare. So finally the driver got me to some warehouse and said I had to go inside. I asked where the skytrain was. He pointed in some unidentified direction, and thankfully map came to the rescue, as I saw skytrain structure on the way and was able to find where I was. I gave him agreed upon sum - 40B - and went to the station which was about 10 min walking distance away. So I just spent around 100B and 2 hours of time and got nowhere. I guess again I should view 100B as an educational expense (non tax deductible ).

At night, noticed two freelancers sitting at a table facing the street at Landmark’s hotel café. They happened to be from Ukraine staying at BKK half a year at a time – I guess max allowed by their visas. Took one to the hotel, paid 650B  and had a reasonably good time. For a change, non-Thai girl felt much better for slightly higher price (she quoted $100 ST, I negotiated 2500B). The girls complained that business was slow because Americans and other foreigners are not allowed to stay in Thailand for longer that 90 days at a time. This is their theory, anyway, and it did not make complete sense to me, but I don’t know any better. Overall, the tourist population seemed not to be very large during my visit despite prime time season (Xmas). May be, understandably, we folks prefer to spend it with our families, not hookers in BKK!

Day 4 (Monday, Xmas day)

Again decided to take bike tour in the morning as this was Xmas day and I didn’t have much to do until midday. ABC amazing tours is operated by a Dutch guy by name Mike and is pretty good (although a bit overpriced – 1500B pp). He takes you to an island south of the city and places you would never have gone by youself. All in all, useful experience if you care. At night, decided to try Novotel disco, but at first was pointed to wrong Novotel (taxi brought me to Lotus, instead of Siam, so after wasting some time looking for a disco there, took skytrain to Siam), but the disco at Novotel Siam was closed until 9 pm, so went back to the Hotel and crushed. I guess I overestimated my stamina - a day under intense sun during the bike tour took its toll and unfortunately I never got to Novotel again during this trip.

Day 5 (Tuesday, Xmas hangover day)

Cupidy definitely went down – I was there on a Tuesday night and the place was essentially empty – about 20-25 girls on a sofa and in the fishbowl – and no customers (that is, except myself). The “meet and greet” guy spoke decent English and quoted me 5000 Baht for fishbowl girl and 10000 Baht for “superstars” on the sofa. I laughed silently and said that all I can spend is 2500 B and he replied that this was not possible. He also asked if I had any dollars – he said the price would have been lower if I paid in dollars which sounds strange – don’t they have free exchange for Thai and foreigners alike? I think this was just a trick on his part to probe how much money I was carrying. Anyway, I made up some excuse like going to the bathroom and fled. Next, I took taxi to Mona Lisa which is only ~1km away on Petchaburi road and was met by a soft-spoken nicely dressed guy. There were two fishbowls to the right of the entrance: a large one for “regulars” and a smaller one for “superstars” (in his own words). Frankly, I didn’t notice much difference between the two groups – 25-30 girls all together, some smiling, some bored watching their nails grow, all in 6-8 range. The manager said the price was 2500-3000 B, non-negotiable. I took my time choosing and apparently, they made a change to the fishbowl where there is a regular glass insert in between two panes of one way mirror – so the girls can actually see customer’s face, smile, wave and engage into eye contact rather that being treated simply a pieces of meat. Apparently, management thinks this improves overall business.

I chose a nice smiling girl (this proves the abovementioned point) and we proceeded to the room. The experience was good – even though this was my first time to a soapy massage place – so I have no reference point to compare to – I was surprised to find out that the lady I chose was 31 years old and had two children. She had no apparent birthmarks on her hips from what I could tell and looked 10 years younger her age ! I guess most of the girls in Mona Lisa are single moms trying to make ends meet, but apparently management takes good care of them, as they stay there for several years at a time (my girl worked there 2.5 years).

Can’t resist but point to a logistical problem : getting from Ambassador to Cupidy was anything but trivial ! Five or so taxis I tried to hail simply refused to go and later I understood the reason: Soi Sukhumvit 3 that goes from Sukhumvit Nana area to Petchaburi road is one way and was all stop-and-go traffic at around 6 pm on a Tuesday night. So I ended up walking for 1km or so risking to miss my flight that night and later was followed by one of the taxis I tried to hire, jumping in, going about 20m only to discover another one-way street packed with traffic ! Going back from Mona Lisa, as I was in a lot of rush to check out of my hotel and get to the airport by 10pm, I took Phetburi underground station to Sukhumvit and then Skytrain to Nana station from there. Amazingly, there is no connection between underground metro and Skytrain: you have to exit the underground station (which is near Soi Cowboy) first, cross Sukhumvit 21 on the surface and then enter Asoke Skytrain station. But this is still much much better and more reliable that taking a taxi !

All in all, didn’t quite executed on all the things I planned to during this visit, but hope to be back sometime!

Take care guys and play safe,

XXX

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[QUOTE=Bigbuzz2007]Just came back from a business trip/vacation combo over Xmas in Bangkok. This was my first time to Thailand, and I relied on much of the information I picked up from this board. [COMMENT: I'm missing the part of your post, where you actually show you picked anything up from the BKK threads. See why below]

Guys, please ignore the touts that try to sell you a ride, or you’ll end up paying 3 to 5 times as much! [COMMENT: Yes, that's been mentioned over and over]

was rejected off bat by a nice looking Thai girl that had most clothes on among diverse crowd! [COMMENT: This has been covered. Girls who are dressed in street clothes have generally already been barfined]

My second blow was coming up as I entered the Hotel lobby. When I was making my reservation at Ambassador, the management told me on the phone that “guests were allowed”. There was a caveat, though, as security set up trap near the elevators and made me pay 650B on the spot for bringing a guest into the room. [COMMENT: Discussed in the Hotel thread. It's called a joiner fee. Not all hotels charge this, but the Ambassador is one of them that does. There's a way around this. Book a double and include your "wife" on the reservation. The security guys at the elevator will not charge you, since you already paid for two. The double is alittle higher, but much less than the joiner fee and a lot less aggravation. You can take a chance and have the girl go to the 2nd floor elevator. You do lose the protection of the hotel, if she rips you off though.]

Following advice of one of the posts here, checked Beer Garden around 1 pm and it saw a few freelancers there – by looks single moms in their late 20s and 30s. Nothing really exciting. [COMMENT: While the Beer Garden is mentioned, it's also mentioned as a low end alternative to kill time and better options have been noted. It get's mentioned a lot, so I do understand why you tried it].

try to avoid taking taxis ! [COMMENT: Yes, that's been mentioned, but you did seemed to use them a lot anyway. Again, you are new and I know you did not have a good feel for where everything is at. There's also an all day pass for the BTS. Buy it at the hotel travel/tour desk. It's usually not available at the ticket booth at the BTS station. Probably because it's for tourists only.]

Anyway, at around 7 at night, I went to Long Gun on Soy Cowboy and saw what is supposedly the most artistic and inventive show they put up that could be called “all things pussy”. [COMMENT: The show has been discussed, and yes, for most it's not that exciting. By the way, it's Soi, which is street/lane]

Bells went on my head but her breasts were superb – warm, soft and natural and I even quickly probed in between her legs – all looked pretty natural.
(S)he didn’t have a penis per se, but it looked like a very small dick tucked inside and there were no scars on the breasts like you see on a woman with blown-in silicon - none ! [COMMENT: Why do guys not follow their senses! When the alarm bells go off, get out of there! Based on your post, I hate to say it, but it seems like you almost wanted to see what you saw. Morbid curiousity?]

It was a Sunday, the day when, according to cabbies and people at the hotel, traffic was (supposed to be) minimal, so I decided to do some sightseeing during the day. [COMMENT: Yes, Sunday is the only time you have some freedom to use a cab. It's usually the time when I hit the hard to get to places, not on the BTS route. I understand this is your first time and had to get some sightseeing in. I usually get a massage with extra's as down time fun at out of the way places or do some exploring.]

He brought me to his buddy’s house so that he could sell me a boat ride and get his kick-back. [COMMENT: Bells were probably going off in your head in this instance too, but you did not stop the guy when he went off the beaten path. Big mistake.]

Overall, the tourist population seemed not to be very large during my visit despite prime time season (Xmas). May be, understandably, we folks prefer to spend it with our families, not hookers in BKK! [COMMENT: Although I have never been to BKK just before New Years, I have heard it's one of the worst times to go, since many girls go back home to families and most hobbyists stay away as well. Cause and effect here or is it the chicken and the egg thing? lol!

Day 5 (Tuesday, Xmas hangover day)

Cupidy definitely went down – I was there on a Tuesday night and the place was essentially empty – about 20-25 girls on a sofa and in the fishbowl – and no customers (that is, except myself). [COMMENT: Not one of the highly rated soapies. Why did you choose this one? It seems you did not read the soapie write-ups]

Can’t resist but point to a logistical problem : getting from Ambassador to Cupidy was anything but trivial ! [COMMENT: Yes, not usually discussed, but some routes are grid locked and only experience will tell you how to best manage your itinerary.]

All in all, didn’t quite executed on all the things I planned to during this visit, but hope to be back sometime!

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Bigbuzz,

Not sure where to start. Amusing summary and you definitely made your share of newbie mistakes and then some! We all made a few of those in our first ventures to BKK, but you covered it all in 4-5 days. Quite an accomplishment! I'm glad you took the time to post, but I was wondering. If you read the threads carefully, you could have avoided so many of those mistakes.

Keep on posting, but more importantly, keep on reading! I made my comments above, next to the excerpts from your post. I'm sure others will chime in after reading your post. And don't take any heat you get, too seriously. Think of it as your initiation!

AT2

[QUOTE=Bigbuzz2007]<cut>
Anyway, at around 7 at night, I went to Long Gun on Soy Cowboy and saw what is supposedly the most artistic and inventive show they put up that could be called “all things pussy”. A few “stars” perform tricks blowing all kind of things with their pussies, smoking cigarettes, shooting darts into balloons, blowing birthday candies, ets. Amusing, but not very arousing to my taste. But definitely worth seeing for the price of one soft drink (75B). Surprisingly, I saw a few female visitors there – either curious or trying to pick up the skill ? Later returned to NEP and after scouting a few bars, went to Cascade on the upper floor and was immediately isolated by a group of 3 girls putting my hands on their breasts and probing my crouch. I was trying to watch costume holiday show that apparently has been well choreographed and rehearsed, but one lady in the front was pretty aggressive and completely blocking my view. Two of them were trying to get me to barfine both of them and the third one fought them over by inserting my hand in all private parts and made a lot of fuss. One of the first two girls had quite lowly voice. Bells went on my head but her breasts were superb – warm, soft and natural and I even quickly probed in between her legs – all looked pretty natural. She took my move as being desperate and pushed against me even more. Quoted 1000B short time – she said she gave me a discount because she was horny and desperate to fuck me (sure!). At this point, I was completely confused – and curious – and drunk – and aroused – so I agreed and we went to a short time hotel at NEP that cost me another 300B in addition to her 600B barfine. I asked her to take a shower and at first she resisted but then reluctantly took her panties off … boy she was not shaved … and what is that ?! I became sober in a split second as though a pot of iced water was poured at me – my worst suspicion was confirmed ! (S)he didn’t have a penis per se, but it looked like a very small dick tucked inside and there were no scars on the breasts like you see on a woman with blown-in silicon - none ! I don’t know how they do it in Thailand – may be this one is an artwork of one of those Thai magic healers separating tissue with their bare hands – but whatever it is, could not believe my eyes (and other senses). I know, guys, admitting to this make one look like an idiot – as all obvious tell tale signs were there – aggressiveness, lowly voice, narrow hips, unusually big tits for a Thai woman, etc. but apparently I was doped ! If I were to testify in my defense, the only argument I could put forward in front of the court would have been that I was somewhat drunk and my little head ruled over the big one for a while - but what an experience. In the end, 900B ($27) is not a high price to pay for education. So in conclusion – ladyboys are very active at NEP – watch out – if a girl has big tits – (s)he may be a he ! This make me think how gender boundary is really blurred – what do you call travesties?

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Can’t resist but point to a logistical problem : getting from Ambassador to Cupidy was anything but trivial ! Five or so taxis I tried to hail simply refused to go and later I understood the reason: Soi Sukhumvit 3 that goes from Sukhumvit Nana area to Petchaburi road is one way and was all stop-and-go traffic at around 6 pm on a Tuesday night. So I ended up walking for 1km or so risking to miss my flight that night and later was followed by one of the taxis I tried to hire, jumping in, going about 20m only to discover another one-way street packed with traffic ! Going back from Mona Lisa, as I was in a lot of rush to check out of my hotel and get to the airport by 10pm, I took Phetburi underground station to Sukhumvit and then Skytrain to Nana station from there. Amazingly, there is no connection between underground metro and Skytrain: you have to exit the underground station (which is near Soi Cowboy) first, cross Sukhumvit 21 on the surface and then enter Asoke Skytrain station. But this is still much much better and more reliable that taking a taxi !

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I agree that you need to spend a little more time reading the Forum to help avoid mistakes. However all of us make mistakes the first time and even after that. But best to minimise them when you are really on a short time frame.
And read the forum re best hotel selections.
I have posted before concerning Cascade being a ladyboy bar for about a year now. Might interest you to know that taking female hormones can grow beautiful breasts on some LBs with no implants needed (but doesn't work for all of them). Hormones also make the dick srink I believe.
Also we have commented that some of the Long Gun shows are ugly and you might prefer the more erotic Suzi Wong shows.

To get to Cupidy, can catch a cab in Soi 11 head north and get out at soi 3, assuming no traffic jam. Its only a shortish < 5 min walk from there. Thats what I do when in a hurry.

<<<Originally Posted by Thor93
But don't kid yourself about freebies. In the end they are far more expensive then P4P, unless you are going to just play them with promises and then leave without a word. Personally I would find it hard to lie that much. Once one of these non-P4P girls decide you are it for her, they don't let go. And "looking after them" does usually involve money although it might never openly be spoken about.>>>





The freebie scene in Thailand is much different from other developed Asian countries like Japan, Korea, Taiwan, and also the less developed such as China.

If you hang around in Thailand long enough, I am sure you will find some nice normal ladies. But most of them are consciously programmed from the beginning in finding a nice boyfriend, hopefully economic well ones, for a long term relationship. In a culture like this, the guys basically have to give the Thai girls a good life to live, basically have to be their life sponsors.

The thing I was pointing to is that in Thailand, the fun lovng cutie class who will fall in for a night stand or a short relationship almost is extinct. When you pick up a girl from discos or shopping or anywhere and get into bed with her in Thailand the same night or following day, its almost certainly she wants a reward for this.

The other hand, I find Japan is so great in freebie scenes simply 2 people who feel good together and like to have some excitement together. Japan can be the best freebie hunting in the entire deveoloped world. But of course the age, look, personality, language ability, ect can determine the success rates. I used to work for a huge corporate in Tokyo in mid 90's for a few years, at my mid 20's, I can confirmed Japan is the place for freebie fun without any kind of attachments. The girls would even pay for your dinner, buy you gifts, chocolates for Valentine, let you stay at their condos ect if they hold good feeling for you, without any promise of any relationship. Just for pure fun.

Also lots of times, you can get one night stand from basically anywhere, and bye bye without any contact number, because she has steady boyfriend or husband. This is what I mean the real fun fun freebies.

This category of fun fun girls simply do not exist in Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, Myanmar ect all these 3rd world SE Asian backwaters.

In Asia, besides Japan, I think China is getting really good in fun fun freebies. I have done it so many times from discos(normal discos), shoppings, streets, and many of them simply like to have foreign friends, or like to learn English, or maybe like to experience with foreigners, without any promise attached.

This fun fun China freebies class is growing rapidly, I have quite a good success rate in northern China like in Qingdao, Dalian, Shenyang, Harbin ect, I picked them up somewhere, take them to eat and drinks, become friends, shag them, they are mostly students or office girls, all of them really cute, I go there a few times a year, they hang out with me, no financial attachments, except maybe taking them to eat or taking them to some short trips, I believe they have some boyfriends at the same time.

This is the freebie category I was refering to, not the long term relationship with hope and promise type. I definitely think Thailand as well as all these SE Asian 3rd world do not exist this category of freebies at all.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]No offense. But, I always think this argument is stupid. If your preference is no-strings-attached P4P, and you like the girls, more power to you. But, using this old argument that regular TGs are more expensive than P4P doesn't take into account several other more important factors for me, anyway:

a/ that P4P girls are at the bottom of the heap as far as looks go, when compared to what's available in the wider population.

b/ that years in the biz corrupts P4P girls and makes them generally less agreeable, and in many cases downright nasty, not to mention just not very Thai when compared to the far sweeter and good-natured regular TGs.

c/ that while it may be true that money can be a factor with all Thai women, the return on the investment is much more rewarding than it could ever be with the cash-and-carry nature of P4P.

Of course this is only my subjective opinion, but still based on years of experience in both camps.[/QUOTE]
I have a few comments and see both sides of this discussion.
1. P4P girls can be stunning, but they usually don't last that long before someone grabs them and takes them off the scene, unless they can't speak English, have kids to support, etc. which make make them a less desirable catch in some persons view (but not mine).
2. I like to have both. A girlfriend who is easy going and not putting pressure on. But also P4P for variety, sex on demand, etc. I have never managed to find a girlfriend that wanted sex play as much as myself. Nymphos aren't considered to make reliable girlfriends anyway.
3. The ideal girlfriend would be one with a really good job who is totally self supporting and only wants us for our company, sex, shared costs etc. Stunners like this are probably difficult to get in Thailand for an oldish bloke.
My ex-wife (Farang) was self supporting but she only gpt horny once per month. The rest of the time I was in hell living with her.
4. So I have grabbed a simple Thai girlfriend who doesn't speak much English, is working P4P, has little money and needs support. But she is far too good for me in terms of age, looks and body. I just have to accept that this means she is probably more expensive than P4P at the moment. However once I get to situation where we can live togther full time, I expect it to be cheaper than P4P assuming that I am still getting plenty of sex (which is never a sure thing). I have long learned that girlfriends need to be kept under control and that regular sex is expected. The biggest problem I have is that her periods are painful, cause her not to want sex, and seem to go for a long time. I will try to make do with blow-jobs at these times or sometimes play up very discretely.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]I have a few comments and see both sides of this discussion.

4. So I have grabbed a simple Thai girlfriend who doesn't speak much English, is working P4P, has little money and needs support. But she is far too good for me in terms of age, looks and body. I just have to accept that this means she is probably more expensive than P4P at the moment. However once I get to situation where we can live togther full time, I expect it to be cheaper than P4P assuming that I am still getting plenty of sex (which is never a sure thing). I have long learned that girlfriends need to be kept under control and that regular sex is expected. The biggest problem I have is that her periods are painful, cause her not to want sex, and seem to go for a long time. I will try to make do with blow-jobs at these times or sometimes play up very discretely.[/QUOTE]
Fail to understand that she is a P4P, yet you have to be discreet?

[QUOTE=Duniawala]Fail to understand that she is a P4P, yet you have to be discreet?[/QUOTE]

Duni:

I think OP wants to have the cake and eat the whole damn thing. Life is not that simple, and he's making it even more complicated.

Find a p4p, move in with her and it will eventually be cheaper???? Where have I hear that before...LOL.

IMHO

[QUOTE=Mick I have never managed to find a girlfriend that wanted sex play as much as myself. Nymphos aren't considered to make reliable girlfriends anyway.
3. The ideal girlfriend would be one with a really good job who is totally self supporting and only wants us for our company, sex, shared costs etc. Stunners like this are probably difficult to get in Thailand for an oldish bloke.[/QUOTE]

Based on your comments, I assume you haven't had much experience with regular TGs.

I stand by my comment that women in P4P are generally not as beautiful as those in the general population. This is not to say that there aren't good-looking hookers. But, when you look at Thai women in general; on the skytrain, the students around MBK and Siam Square etc., you realize that the girls in P4P don't come close to them in terms of looks, not to mention demeanor, grace, charm etc. etc....

In my experience, Thai women (I mean normal ones, not in the P4P scene) are among the horniest, most sexually active women I've ever met. I've met very few who didn't like to have sex a lot and for a long time. I've met a few duds, it's true. But, I'd say that most of the ones I've been with loved sex a lot and were good at it.

I also disagree with you that stunners are difficult to get for "oldish blokes". I'm an oldish bloke, my GF is incredibly cute, (not P4P), never seen the inside of a gogo, doesn't drink or smoke, and is totally devoted to me. Her biggest fear is that I'll dump her for someone else because she knows that there are a load of other girls who I know who would take her place in a minute.

The main thing is that you have to get out of the P4P world and look elsewhere to get a decent TG. I've known too many guys caught up in that world, who never get past it, and only look for a GF there only to be kicked in the teeth repeatedly.
It has its uses. I use it occasionally for a "fast food fix", so to speak - but short-time only, don't get involved, don't care about them or their sad-ass stories...simply fuck and forget.

After many years in Thailand I have finally concluded that there ain't "no free lunch" when it comes to Thai women. When I first met my Thai GF four years ago she had her own business, apartment and took me out for dinner. Now several years later she has sold her business moved in with me full time and I am finding it damn expensive. Seems like I am now expected to be the "sponsor" for her whole damn family. Stupid me is even paying to send her sister through college. I would like to get out of this situation , but I suppect that is going to cost me also.

OTH, I have been coming to BKK for several years now and have always been involved in the P4P scene. Never even considered dating or even having a relationship with a TG. However, I met one on my trip there in September. Saw her with her friends at Siam Square. She was absolutely beautiful, sweet, kind, and a joy to be around. She would not "put out" at all the whole week I was there with her. I was back in BKK in October, November, and December and saw her each time. She even traveled to Phnom Penh with me and we shared a bed but no sex. It took me being with her on the November trip, the third one, before she "allowed" me to enjoy her company. What a great experience. I could tell she wasn't that experienced but her eagerness to make me happy was unbelievable. She is not young, 30, but looks much younger. Has a bachelor's degree, worked the same regional job for 6 years, and has her own car and apartment. I went from looking at all TG's as P4P only to realizing that most of the women in Thailand aren't P4P and are just looking for someone to be nice to them and take care of them. No different then her in the USA. I think my mongering days are over but I did enjoy them while they lasted. Hey guys, don't pass on the "good girls" in Thailand. You might meet one that will put the P4P girls to shame in both looks and the bedroom and you could end up with a great life partner. I'm not looking to get married to her yet but I will visit BKK in February and March and if all goes well I'll take it from there. Also, this woman has never asked me for a penny and has never been married before. She is a real joy.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Based on your comments, I assume you haven't had much experience with regular TGs.

I stand by my comment that women in P4P are generally not as beautiful as those in the general population. This is not to say that there aren't good-looking hookers. But, when you look at Thai women in general; on the skytrain, the students around MBK and Siam Square etc., you realize that the girls in P4P don't come close to them in terms of looks, not to mention demeanor, grace, charm etc. etc....

In my experience, Thai women (I mean normal ones, not in the P4P scene) are among the horniest, most sexually active women I've ever met. I've met very few who didn't like to have sex a lot and for a long time. I've met a few duds, it's true. But, I'd say that most of the ones I've been with loved sex a lot and were good at it.

I also disagree with you that stunners are difficult to get for "oldish blokes". I'm an oldish bloke, my GF is incredibly cute, (not P4P), never seen the inside of a gogo, doesn't drink or smoke, and is totally devoted to me. Her biggest fear is that I'll dump her for someone else because she knows that there are a load of other girls who I know who would take her place in a minute.

The main thing is that you have to get out of the P4P world and look elsewhere to get a decent TG. I've known too many guys caught up in that world, who never get past it, and only look for a GF there only to be kicked in the teeth repeatedly.
It has its uses. I use it occasionally for a "fast food fix", so to speak - but short-time only, don't get involved, don't care about them or their sad-ass stories...simply fuck and forget.[/QUOTE]

RA

HiSo, LoSo, NoSo, or HoSo, all Thai women cost money in one way or another.

It comes down to trying to set boundaries (difficult because they all have expectations of Farang) - how far are you willing to go?...meaning, I suppose, how much a girl means to you, or how much does it mean to you to have a regular GF as opposed to simply playing the P4P game.

In some ways, I envy the mongers on this board - ignorance is truly bliss. They come for their 2 weeks, and meet what they think are hotties - (as you and I both know, mostly mediocre girls from the bottom of the barrel) - have a comparatively good time, anyway and then go home to dream about their next trip to LOS.

If you live here, you quickly realize through experience and availability (unless you're a complete bonehead) that P4P is boring, unacceptable and unsatisfying, but that the alternative, getting a regular girl (or several) is going to still cost you, just in a different way. It may also cost you in unexpected and dangerous ways.

I'm having a similar problem to you with my GF, except the difference is, I don't have to really help her family because they are financially ok. But, because she's the "baby of the family", she has always been (and still is) catered to by her family. Consequently, she expects the same from me. Although she works, she never has money because she spends it all. After a rather expensive December, what with Christmas and the traditional New Years gold purchase, I have told her "No more". This morning, she's moody and crabby because she can't have her way. At the moment, I still think she's worth the trouble. But, I am still contemplating the possibility of an exit, if things don't improve. But, I'm a little nervous because both of her brothers are cops (one nearby, at Thong Lor station) and her father is an official at the Ministry of Education. It could cost me, not just in money, but in other ways as well.

I've come to realize that whatever you do, where Thai women are involved, it always involves large amounts of hassle. As lovely, charming and incredibly sexy as they can be when they're happy, a lot of them can quickly become petulant, childish brats when things don't go their way.

Then again, maybe that's true of all women.

it's like that with all women-hahaha
OTH & retired-you guys are very wise & as a relative newbie who enjoyed his 1st 2 week LOS visit recently & yes dream of coming back,you have exactly told the true story of life there.
Any exit plan gets expensive & hard 2 think of an easier way out-ask GWB & Iraq-hahhahaha

OTH-all i can say is wow,you have quite the dilemma because of the men in her family if you decide to exit stage left with the baby of the family & i wish you all the best.

I enjoy reading reports from true ex-pats who are willing 2 help in their wise reports & until i come back,i will continue reading.

if u didnt know-canada jrs won again

For those who have had some experience in Bangkok, how often do you get a "dead fish experience" with the Thai women?

I ask this because I discovered P4P women about 3 years ago. I have sought out the various venues in my area where such women can be found. The three main choices in this area are some sleazy strip joints on the bad side of town, there is 1 American Massage parlor that offers full service, and several Asian massage parlors. My favorite by far is the Asian Massage parlors. The American girls seems to be real hit or miss. Sometimes you get the DFE sometimes you don’t. The Asian’s, who are pretty much either Thai or Korean, seem to take a lot more pride in their work and offer a much better experience. They are always clean, always smell good and never rushed. They cost a little more but it’s well worth it in my book. They are also fanatics about condom use which I think is great.

I ask this because I like DATY but only if there is little to no smell and want to know what to expect on my first trip to BKK. Do the Thai working girls take good care of themselves or should I expect more hit or miss as well?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Based on your comments, I assume you haven't had much experience with regular TGs.

I stand by my comment that women in P4P are generally not as beautiful as those in the general population. This is not to say that there aren't good-looking hookers. But, when you look at Thai women in general; on the skytrain, the students around MBK and Siam Square etc., you realize that the girls in P4P don't come close to them in terms of looks, not to mention demeanor, grace, charm etc. etc....

In my experience, Thai women (I mean normal ones, not in the P4P scene) are among the horniest, most sexually active women I've ever met. I've met very few who didn't like to have sex a lot and for a long time. I've met a few duds, it's true. But, I'd say that most of the ones I've been with loved sex a lot and were good at it.

I also disagree with you that stunners are difficult to get for "oldish blokes". I'm an oldish bloke, my GF is incredibly cute, (not P4P), never seen the inside of a gogo, doesn't drink or smoke, and is totally devoted to me. Her biggest fear is that I'll dump her for someone else because she knows that there are a load of other girls who I know who would take her place in a minute.

The main thing is that you have to get out of the P4P world and look elsewhere to get a decent TG. I've known too many guys caught up in that world, who never get past it, and only look for a GF there only to be kicked in the teeth repeatedly.
It has its uses. I use it occasionally for a "fast food fix", so to speak - but short-time only, don't get involved, don't care about them or their sad-ass stories...simply fuck and forget.[/QUOTE]
I agree with OTH. mostly with just alittle variation.
Its true I am not that experienced with regular Thai girls in terms of numbers. But many years of experience with just a couple.
Only 2 Thai girlfriends that were not in P4P. A couple of other ex-P4P GFs.
One difficulty is not living and working in Thailand on a full time basis. Also opportunities had been limited based on spending too much time mongering of course.
My 1st real Thai girlfriend was a chef that I met outside Thailand and lasted for several years. Unfortunately we were sexually incompatible. However she is a great girl and we are still close friends.

Perhaps OTH does himself a dis-service to say that stunners are easy to get for old blokes. Maybe OTH is a superior choice for them for some reason.

O.K. Its easy to get a young good looking Thai GF who has little money and supports a child. Easier still if she speaks little English since this cuts down my competition. But it takes time to cultivate a real girlfriend.

A had a wildly sexual Thai GF outside Thailand for a short time but she turned out to be a psycho case.

I don't believe that the majority of Thai women want sex twice a day which is about what I feel like (sometimes more) when on not working. My GF is prepared to have sex almost daily except during her lengthy menstruation.

I do look at Thai women in department stores and on BTS etc. I only rate a small percentage as in the stunning category but accept that there are a higher percentage great looking than in P4P scene since really great girls often do not last in P4P long before someone will try to extract them from that scene. And the P4P scene does have many ordinary girls. But my gaze rarely notices them going past.
Despite this, very nice looking hot girls do exist in P4P, purely because they can earn high money this way and may wish to be independent for some reason. I know one who has just finished building a house for herself and her mother. She is only 20 (rather too young to be ideal for me). She previously worked in a Japanese pub which may or may not have been P4P (I don't know).
Girls that are in P4P for a long time typically have their character changed in a way that marks then as a hooker. This is why they actually don't make good girlfriends, which I am sure OTH agrees.
Girls only in P4P for a short time may still be able to get out and act like a normal girl. I have met the odd very very nice seeming girl in P4P that was just very hard up and needed the money. Probably rare cases Or I just didn't know them well enough yet. But I don't look down on P4P girls automatically. Some are quite honest (even if many tell complete bullshit). It depends how they act. I can feel sorry for some but cannot afford to get involved.
Fucking for money is just a job as far as I am concerned. I would be a hypocrit to have a great time, willingly part with a small amount of cash and then hold the girl in contempt. At least you don't have to court the girl and her friends for some time to get a screw (with P4Ps you know, its a certain good time).

I am very happy with my current Thai girlfriend. She is way better than any girlfriend I have previously had. So I am not prepared to give her up easily. I have resolved to give up almost all mongering now to avoid the problems that OTH has hinted at. Multiple girlfriends is not possible for me. I can't take the risk of being caught.
Limited playing up with P4P is a much safer option.

I'm planning my first trip to BKK this Feb. Any suggestions from the old hands on what to wear or more importantly what NOT to wear. I'm just concerned about looking like a typical farang, dazed and confused on his first time in BKK and an easy mark for scam artists. Any input would be appreciated.

Stayed at Giotto Lodge. None of the working girls there struck my fancy. The taxi guy took me to 2 places. Found Joy at International Club or something. Mamasan said 3000 baht for all night. Paid her off and took Joy back to the hotel.

She has a very pretty face, smooth light skin, a small frame with fine bones. When she took off her clothes, I immediately classified her as a stunner. Her body was so soft it was a joy to hold in my arms. Her pussy was wet and just the right fit. She was passive in bed but It was one of the best session I ever had. Was really looking forward to a few more sessions and holding on to that soft, beautiful body all night.

After sex we cuddled for about 10 minutes then she went into the restroom. I knew she was gonnna dash. I made all sort of threats and insisted that she stay, but she just said sweetly in broken English that she could not, then slipped out the door. I was fucked with my 3000-baht all nighter. Should have agreed on ST then decide on LT later.

It loos that BKK has some very fine girls.

Can someone provide names of a few places where stunners canbe found for all nighter?

How much are the price range for ST vs. all nighter for stunners?

[QUOTE=One Wing Low].....slipped out the door. I was fucked with my 3000-baht all nighter. Should have agreed on ST then decide on LT later......
QUOTE]

One Wing Low,

I've never been to the International Club, but I think the first mistake was to pay the 3000 baht up front. When you find the girl you want, ask the LT and ST rates are and pay her the 3000 baht in the morning, if she stays all night. Otherwise, give her the ST rate when she leaves.

I always pay after services rendered, so I don't get screwed.

In BKK GoGo bars, I paid 1500-2000 baht ST in March '06, depending on how much I really wanted the girl. Many forum posters will say 1000 baht ST, but (IMHO) I believe these are Beer Bar girl rates and not Club / GoGo rates.

nocbj4me

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]RA,

HiSo, LoSo, NoSo, or HoSo, all Thai women cost money in one way or another. [/QUOTE]Thanks for another informative and entertaining report, OTH. I always enjoy reading your reports for those reasons. Just when I start thinking that you have the world by the ass over there in the LOS, with your pick of all the beautiful young girls, you remind me that your own seemingly charmed existence is really not that much better than that of the rest of us sex starved mongers. We all are either having, or have had problems with women. All of them exact a price in return for their favors. It’s a truism as old as human existence and will never change.
[QUOTE] t comes down to trying to set boundaries (difficult because they all have expectations of Farang) - how far are you willing to go?...meaning, I suppose, how much a girl means to you, or how much does it mean to you to have a regular GF as opposed to simply playing the P4P game. [/QUOTE]Yes, this is so true. They all have expectations of us, don’t they? But we all know that it’s the p4p girls who have the least of them. They want money. And in LOS, especially Pattaya and other vicinities outside of BKK, they normally expect only a small sum in relation to what they are willing to provide for you in return. Of course, you can have bad experiences with them, but when that happens, you need only let them go and the problem goes with them. Ten minutes later, the problem is usually forgotten. If you like pretty ones, there will always be pretty ones. If you like young ones, there will always be youngsters available. If you want GFE, you can find it again and again with girl after girl.

[QUOTE] In some ways, I envy the mongers on this board [/QUOTE]Of course you do, and it’s about time you admitted it. We are the ones who are having the fun, while you on the other hand, might just as well be married, because your beautiful hi-so TGF is bleeding you for everything she can get with far more expectations than you will ever experience from a p4p sweetheart.

[QUOTE]- ignorance is truly bliss. They come for their 2 weeks, and meet what they think are hotties - (as you and I both know, mostly mediocre girls from the bottom of the barrel) - have a comparatively good time, anyway and then go home to dream about their next trip to LOS. [/QUOTE]Bullshit! Young, beautiful hottie-p4p’s can be had in LOS by the dozen, even by old geezers like me. No, they aren’t the innocent little girl next door types, but most of them will suck your dick within ten minutes after meeting you, and be thankful for the privilege. Some of them will give you GFE for a few hours -- an experience which many married men would sacrifice their left nut for. Yeah, there are lots of mediocre, even downright ugly working girls, but clearly in no greater proportion in the general population than non-working girls.

[QUOTE] If you live here, you quickly realize through experience and availability (unless you're a complete bonehead) that P4P is boring, unacceptable and unsatisfying, but that the alternative, getting a regular girl (or several) is going to still cost you, just in a different way. It may also cost you in unexpected and dangerous ways. [/QUOTE]I don’t know about you, OTH, but I surely would rather have a boring, unacceptable and unsatisfying interlude with a hooker, than an unexpected, costly, and dangerous experience with a “regular girl.” I was married three times between the ages of 20 and 40, each time to beautiful young “regular” women – two of them local beauty pageant queens. After a few years, not one of them seemed so “beautiful” any more. No, … not only were each of them boring, unacceptable and unsatisfying, they were also extremely costly, and on some occasions, unexpectedly dangerous. Jeez, I was glad to get rid of all of them, and I’ve been single now for 20 years and loving every minute of it. I don’t want another wife. I don’t think I want a steady girlfriend. I want many, many young and pretty girlfriends, and I’m more than happy to throw them a few bucks to make them all happy. When I get too old to enjoy them, I’ll still have my daughter to take care of me.

[QUOTE]I'm having a similar problem to you with my GF, except the difference is, I don't have to really help her family because they are financially ok. But, because she's the "baby of the family", she has always been (and still is) catered to by her family. Consequently, she expects the same from me. Although she works, she never has money because she spends it all. After a rather expensive December, what with Christmas and the traditional New Years gold purchase, I have told her "No more". This morning, she's moody and crabby because she can't have her way. At the moment, I still think she's worth the trouble. But, I am still contemplating the possibility of an exit, if things don't improve. But, I'm a little nervous because both of her brothers are cops (one nearby, at Thong Lor station) and her father is an official at the Ministry of Education. It could cost me, not just in money, but in other ways as well.

I've come to realize that whatever you do, where Thai women are involved, it always involves large amounts of hassle. As lovely, charming and incredibly sexy as they can be when they're happy, a lot of them can quickly become petulant, childish brats when things don't go their way.

Then again, maybe that's true of all women. [/QUOTE]There, you’ve said it all, OTH. I’m sure your GF is beautiful and from the cream of the crop, but you’ve hinted at the dark side, and I just hope for your sake that you don’t get crushed by the “expectations.”

Best regards,

Daddy

Hello Gents,

I come from the USA guide in Arizona. I have a three day excursion into Bangkok coming in the first week of Feb. I have never been to Bangkok but would like to get the most bang for the buck...or bhat. I have a couple of questions.

1. I am flying into Bangkok Int'l Airport. Which hotels are recommended for visiting the Soi Cowboy, Patpong and NEP. I guess preferably one's that are visitor friendly and convenient for transportation. I am traveling solo, so I don't need a 5 star but I want to be safe.

2. In my mind, I would prefer a young lady that could stay with me for my entire stay. This would allow me to visit other area's of Bangkok without concern for finding additional lady friends for company. Are there these type of ladies available? Where would I find them.

3. My visit will be on a Sunday - Wednesday, will there be sufficient activity during this part of the week?

4. In reading Bangkok Bob's website, there is a portion of about the Artist bar's. Are these area's worth while?

Thanks for your help and any other recommendations would be appreciated.

Regards,

Lovin AZ

Lovin AZ

You know most, no I take that back, ALL of the answers to yoru questions are posted in the Bangkok boards. There is even a board that specifically talks about hotels.

I would suggest you use the search functions to find the answers to your questions. Also read most if not all of the Reports of Distinction before asking these questions, those reports contain a lot of great information and will help you out.

Have fun on your trip. You shouldn't have any problems finding a girl that will milk you..., I mean stay with you for the entire time.

PIT

[QUOTE=Lovin AZ]Hello Gents,

I come from the USA guide in Arizona. I have a three day excursion into Bangkok coming in the first week of Feb. I have never been to Bangkok but would like to get the most bang for the buck...or bhat. I have a couple of questions.

1. I am flying into Bangkok Int'l Airport. Which hotels are recommended for visiting the Soi Cowboy, Patpong and NEP. I guess preferably one's that are visitor friendly and convenient for transportation. I am traveling solo, so I don't need a 5 star but I want to be safe.

2. In my mind, I would prefer a young lady that could stay with me for my entire stay. This would allow me to visit other area's of Bangkok without concern for finding additional lady friends for company. Are there these type of ladies available? Where would I find them.

3. My visit will be on a Sunday - Wednesday, will there be sufficient activity during this part of the week?

4. In reading Bangkok Bob's website, there is a portion of about the Artist bar's. Are these area's worth while?

Thanks for your help and any other recommendations would be appreciated.

Regards,

Lovin AZ[/QUOTE]

You want a hotel in the Sukhumvit area. The Nana Hotel is right on ground zero and is inexpensive, safe, and will meet all of your needs.

Finding a girl to be with you for the time U are here will be no problem, this hotel is right across the street from the NEP and between that and the bar & disco in the Nana Hotel that should keep U busy for your time here. You will be right in the center of the fun. Better book your hotel now.

[QUOTE=Lovin AZ]Hello Gents,

I come from the USA guide in Arizona. I have a three day excursion into Bangkok coming in the first week of Feb. I have never been to Bangkok but would like to get the most bang for the buck...or bhat. I have a couple of questions.

1. I am flying into Bangkok Int'l Airport. Which hotels are recommended for visiting the Soi Cowboy, Patpong and NEP. I guess preferably one's that are visitor friendly and convenient for transportation. I am traveling solo, so I don't need a 5 star but I want to be safe.

2. In my mind, I would prefer a young lady that could stay with me for my entire stay. This would allow me to visit other area's of Bangkok without concern for finding additional lady friends for company. Are there these type of ladies available? Where would I find them.

3. My visit will be on a Sunday - Wednesday, will there be sufficient activity during this part of the week?

4. In reading Bangkok Bob's website, there is a portion of about the Artist bar's. Are these area's worth while?

Thanks for your help and any other recommendations would be appreciated.

Regards,

Lovin AZ[/QUOTE]

In addition to capt JB's excellent advice (Nana Hotel was where I stayed during my first trip to BKK after researching the forum) I would suggest either staying at Livingstone's or at least popping there to network with other mongers. I learnt a lot from meeting and chatting to people who were just tags in this forum beforehand. Being solo and a newbie you'll get a lot from staying at Livingstone's.

Safety wasn't really an issue for me but maybe I've been lucky.

Look forward to your report. I've always tried to write something about my experiences even if they never match those posted by the more experienced members of the forum.

Patpong - Frankly a little scary. Loads of people in your face. Got ripped off during my first trip there and the ping pong shows aren't even remotely sexy... more like fasinating in a weird kinda way. The razer blades - how anyone can find that sexually exciting is beyond me but I appreciate we all have different tastes so everyone to their own. The girls doing these shows also looked like they'd been drugged up - gross!

Nana and Cowboy - Much better. Space to sit and observe comings and goings without being hassled too much. A safe landing for your first time.

If you find a girl you want to spend some time with negotiate once you know they're reliable and that they light your fire. Otherwise - there's no real need to be quite honest. Make hay while the sun shines!

Most girls in the P2P scene aren't exactly what you'd call keepers after a few months/years working on their backs. Best to keep the transaction simple and don't delude yourself that its a relationship. You're a paying customer and that is that but treating them with a bit of respect and you will go far in terms of any semi GFE.

I noticed that quite a few girls are ready to give you their email addresses to stay in contact. Remember, they've done the same thing to many others too.

[QUOTE=Capt JB]You want a hotel in the Sukhumvit area. The Nana Hotel is right on ground zero and is inexpensive, safe, and will meet all of your needs.

Finding a girl to be with you for the time U are here will be no problem, this hotel is right across the street from the NEP and between that and the bar & disco in the Nana Hotel that should keep U busy for your time here. You will be right in the center of the fun. Better book your hotel now.[/QUOTE]

The Nanna Hotel is old, run down and noisy. I think the Majestic Suites, if you can get a room, is a better choice.

Here is some important advice for a newbee: The hotest looking girls, may not have always been girls.

[QUOTE=Roady1]For those who have had some experience in Bangkok, how often do you get a "dead fish experience" with the Thai women?

I ask this because I like DATY but only if there is little to no smell and want to know what to expect on my first trip to BKK. Do the Thai working girls take good care of themselves or should I expect more hit or miss as well?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

As far as the dead fish (non-performance) experience, none once I bring out the 220 volt cattle prod.

Now if you mean dead fish, as in the shit house of a tuna boat, that's a different story. Once you see what is walking around Bangkok sticking their dicks into these girls you won't be so anxious to put your face into it.

My 1st trip to Bangkok was almost 2 years ago. I was pretty clueless, didn't know much, actualy didn't know anything. Thanks to all of you who contribute, I feel a lot more informed for my upcoming trip next week!!

On my 1st encounter, I went to Silom area I really don't remember all the streets, but I remember the "Sala Daeng" station. Anyway, I was out mongering, oh, what took me there was some information I had found online, not sure if it was from here, I doubt it. It was around 1.00 PM I was walking around, and didn't really see a whole lot, then after several turns and dead ends, I finally saw some potential. Again, don't remember the street, but this street did have clubs with neon lights. I then suddenly encountered this woman running towards me with a picture with a bunch of girls in a Jaccuzi. I ignored her, kept walking, encountered more women like that. Actualy all those pictures looked alike. Just wanted to check what this was all about, Oh, by this time, some pimp has started to follow me too. This guy begins to represent one of the mamasans. He spoke a little English, and even offered to show medical records of the providers. Couldn't stop laughing to myself about that. Anyway, I was taken up stairs to one of these clubs, fishbowl type, I was not impressed with the talent, went to a couple more and picked one up. The pimp was still with me. He was negotiating the price. He even offered some sought of a "happy hour" deal. I guess because it was like 2.00 PM I don't know. From What I remember ,I ended up paying BHT 2,000.00 to Mamasan about BHT 400.00 to Mr. pimp ( he was not too thrilled, I actualy didn't have more than that, I had to save what I had to tip the Gal.) and around BHT 1,000.00 for tip. I was actualy going to give her less, but then I negotiated with her to take some pictures. ( I'll try to locate them and post ) that's how it came to 1000.00 I took her out to my hotel for 2 hours. Her phone rang right at 2 hours. Service was very poor. She was very cute though. After one pop, she prety much hung out and watched TV.

So Here's what I'd like to know from those regulars out there. Silom is away from action around Nana, is that area ( the area I went to ) an older mongering area or is it just another location? Also, I'm not sure how I did with the payments. I think I over payed, but this gal was pretty cute.

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[QUOTE=Daddy07]
Bullshit! Young, beautiful hottie-p4p’s can be had in LOS by the dozen, even by old geezers like me. No, they aren’t the innocent little girl next door types, but most of them will suck your dick within ten minutes after meeting you, and be thankful for the privilege. Some of them will give you GFE for a few hours -- an experience which many married men would sacrifice their left nut for. Yeah, there are lots of mediocre, even downright ugly working girls, but clearly in no greater proportion in the general population than non-working girls.Daddy[/QUOTE]

To each his own. But, most P4P girls are fucking hags, either in looks and/or disposition, as far as I'm concerned. And don't kid yourself. They can cost you just as much money, if not more, as any other Thai women, if you let them. There are enough famous and not-so famous sob stories of guys suffering financial ruin at the hands of some BG.

You're still a newbie with a couple of trips under your belt. You really don't know anything about Thai women.

As far as looks are concerned, spend some time around Siam Square where all the hot students hang out to see truly beautiful Thai women...or better yet, come with me to school one day (LOL).

My personal mistake may have been in getting a regular GF instead of playing the field which is what I did for a long time. But, I played it with girls like my GF, not P4P and had a great time with really beautiful women, that didn't cost me much.
It's when you hook up with a Thai girl - (doesn't matter if she's a P4P or a regular girl) - that it costs you money.

Oh. And when I said I sometimes envy the mongers on this board, I only meant in the sense of not being tied down. I sure as hell don't envy their limited choice of women.

BTW - I've told the GF that the bank is closed. She's easily replaceable and she knows it. So, she's not putting up any sort of fight about it.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Perhaps OTH does himself a dis-service to say that stunners are easy to get for old blokes. Maybe OTH is a superior choice for them for some reason...
...
I don't believe that the majority of Thai women want sex twice a day which is about what I feel like (sometimes more) when on not working.[/QUOTE]


"Superior choice"...ROFLMAO. I like that.

I'm not sure why I find it easy, even at 54 to get young TGs. There are certainly guys richer than me. So, I don't think it's totally about money, although I'm not discounting that, as part of it. I can only think it's also some sort of status because of my job. That does seem to impress girls who I meet. But, I don't really know. I'm not Brad Pitt, that's for sure. But, I get the usual, "you're jai dee" crap from most of them.

I started playing the online thing a couple of years ago and I guess because I live here and have a good job, it's been pretty easy to hook up with lots of Thai women. They all seem to be online now. I still have my profile open, even though I'm not really actively chatting anymore, because of the GF. I just checked and I have 82 emails in my in-box from various TGs. If I was active, I probably would meet up with and shag at least a few of those, which brings me to your second point.

I totally disagree that Thai women don't want sex twice a day. I think the vast majority of Thai women love sex and lots of it. Not to brag...ok...I guess I am...But, between May 2005 and May 2006 (when I met my GF) I shagged about 35 Thai women, NOT P4P, (which wouldn't be any accomplisment at all), but regular, ordinary Thai women - secretaries, students, elementary school teachers, shop-girls, hotel staff, even an executive secretary to a Member of Parliament. I would say that the vast majority liked shagging several times a day. Thai women are highly sexed, IMHO, made all the better by their culturally in-grained desire to take care of their man.

If they just weren't so damn money-hungry...

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand] <cut>
I started playing the online thing a couple of years ago and I guess because I live here and have a good job, it's been pretty easy to hook up with lots of Thai women. They all seem to be online now. I still have my profile open, even though I'm not really actively chatting anymore, because of the GF. I just checked and I have 82 emails in my in-box from various TGs. If I was active, I probably would meet up with and shag at least a few of those, which brings me to your second point.

I totally disagree that Thai women don't want sex twice a day. I think the vast majority of Thai women love sex and lots of it. Not to brag...ok...I guess I am...But, between May 2005 and May 2006 (when I met my GF) I shagged about 35 Thai women, NOT P4P, (which wouldn't be any accomplisment at all), but regular, ordinary Thai women - secretaries, students, elementary school teachers, shop-girls, hotel staff, even an executive secretary to a Member of Parliament. I would say that the vast majority liked shagging several times a day. Thai women are highly sexed, IMHO, made all the better by their culturally in-grained desire to take care of their man.

If they just weren't so damn money-hungry...[/QUOTE]
Is it the online hookup girls that like shagging twice a day?
Maybe this is a superior way to meet girls. I haven't tried it.

Of course I'm always skeptical about how long the twice a day will last.

You know the old saying.
You start shagging a girl.
In the first year you put one bean in the big jar for each shag.
After that you take take one bean out of the jar for each shag.
The theory is that the jar will never be emptied.
Well perhaps this originally was mean't for guys who got married (and totally stiched up).
I guess for my ex-wife the jar would never have emptied.
For girls that really like shagging a lot, we never lasted past 1 year.
They were usually psycho in one way or another.
One Thai ex wasn't into sex that much so not a huge number of beans in the first year. The other problem with her was she was too small and sensitive. Once she orgasmed (5 mins or less) she was too sensitive to continue. Meanwhile I had barely got started.
A good sex session for me goes for 60 to 90 mins.
I was like the 2nd (backup) boyfriend of a Thai girl for years where her main boyfriend didn't give her enough, and she liked long sessions. However when we went on holiday togther I found that she didn't even want sex every day.
So not horny enough as a main GF either. At least she was a great and consistent sex performer over many years but just not often enough.
This was concurrent with the other Thai girl.
So eventually I woke up that sex would have to be one of the main selection criteria for a GF.
When I was younger I always seemed to select a GF for other reasons which is stupid for a mild sex-addict.

[QUOTE=NoCBJ4Me]
One Wing Low,

I've never been to the International Club, but I think the first mistake was to pay the 3000 baht up front. When you find the girl you want, ask the LT and ST rates are and pay her the 3000 baht in the morning, if she stays all night. Otherwise, give her the ST rate when she leaves.

I always pay after services rendered, so I don't get screwed.

In BKK GoGo bars, I paid 1500-2000 baht ST in March '06, depending on how much I really wanted the girl. Many forum posters will say 1000 baht ST, but (IMHO) I believe these are Beer Bar girl rates and not Club / GoGo rates.

nocbj4me[/QUOTE]
No CBJ 4 Me,
Its high time you got your arse back to LOS.
Your high quality Photo Gallery shots of superior looking girls are greatly missed.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]I don’t know about you, OTH, but I surely would rather have a boring, unacceptable and unsatisfying interlude with a hooker, than an unexpected, costly, and dangerous experience with a “regular girl.” I was married three times between the ages of 20 and 40, each time to beautiful young “regular” women – two of them local beauty pageant queens. After a few years, not one of them seemed so “beautiful” any more. No, … not only were each of them boring, unacceptable and unsatisfying, they were also extremely costly, and on some occasions, unexpectedly dangerous. Jeez, I was glad to get rid of all of them, and I’ve been single now for 20 years and loving every minute of it. I don’t want another wife. I don’t think I want a steady girlfriend. I want many, many young and pretty girlfriends, and I’m more than happy to throw them a few bucks to make them all happy. When I get too old to enjoy them, I’ll still have my daughter to take care of me.
Daddy[/QUOTE]I have a Thai girl friend and we have been together over 20 years. We have children and grandchildren. She is the most loyal women I have ever met. She has cought me cheating and forgiven me everytime. Its about respect with thai women and not making them lose face. She knows me and knows I'm a horny dog. She just doesn't want it thrown in her face. She also knows if I would never leave her for another. I will always come home to her. So its ok if I have my fun. I just don't get caught in a situation were she would lose face.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand] Oh. And when I said I sometimes envy the mongers on this board, I only meant in the sense of not being tied down. [/QUOTE]Exactly! I think most of us mongers here, whether newbie’s like me or not, especially us older guys not living in LOS like you, simply do not have the time or the opportunities to pursue beautiful young college students and all the other choice “regular” girls which abound there. You have it made in that regard, no doubt about it. We are forced to hunt down the beautiful young hookers, which do exist also, as I was able to find several on only one memorable visit. I’m now dedicated to finding a lot more of them next month when I visit again. It’s a great job and I’m happy to be able to do it.

The point, as you say, is “not being tied down,” which you do recognize is valuable. Love is wonderful and long term relationships are great, but the price, while often worth it, is always much higher than p4p situations. With p4p it’s just money, but with “regular girls” it’s also feelings, emotions, families, and all the other heavy baggage which inevitably goes with them. Playing the field with several hotie regular girls sure sounds good, but that option is often fraught with peril as well, since if you are honest and sensitive like me, you must be constantly worried about getting caught with the “other woman,” with all the horrible emotions and warfare that entails, not to mention the escalating financial consequences of trying to keep multiple girl friends happy. IMHO, p4p offers the best bang for the buck.

Daddy

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]For girls that really like shagging a lot, we never lasted past 1 year.
They were usually psycho in one way or another.[/QUOTE]

Picky, Picky, Picky. LOL. I never said that some weren't Psycho. Actually all Thai women are Psycho, in my experience.

I'm beginning to think that's there's something to be said for not having a GF. Afterall, us hunter/gatherers only end up with one women in the West because it's so damn hard to get one. But, here, there's always an endless supply, either P4P or regular TGs. So, you never have to be alone, if you don't want to be.

I suppose my only rationale for a GF is to have someone to take care of me when I'm so old, that I'm sitting in a chair, drooling. Then again, when I get to that point, I might just do a "Pattaya", write, "I love you Pim" on my arm in blood and take a header off a balcony onto Beach Road.

[quote=old thai hand] actually all thai women are psycho, in my experience.



i suppose my only rationale for a gf is to have someone to take care of me when i'm so old, that i'm sitting in a chair, drooling. .[/quote]


oth, aren't you doing that now--ha ha


yeah, thai women can go nuts on you but the women back home are worst as not only are they psycho but also much more expensive to maintain.--imo
also agree from your previous post that los women take better care of their man. i once finished my deed and let the gal go, she actually came back (unexpected of course) with some oranges, peeled it and fed me!--try getting that back home guys.

cheers all.

pt

I hope this is not innapropriate to ask, but you mentioned that you meet many TG online, sometimes getting 85 messages in your inbox. Would it be possible to share which online sight you have this kind of luck? I will be visiting Thailand in February and I would like to meet some online girls so I can take them out when I arrive.

Thank you for your consideration in this matter.

I have a very limited amount of time in Bangkok and was wondering if there are specific areas or MPs or places that one might get lucky finding viets or cambodians.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Wilsafris]I hope this is not innapropriate to ask, but you mentioned that you meet many TG online, sometimes getting 85 messages in your inbox. Would it be possible to share which online sight you have this kind of luck? I will be visiting Thailand in February and I would like to meet some online girls so I can take them out when I arrive.

Thank you for your consideration in this matter.[/QUOTE]

There are lots of them. Thai girls are everywhere.

Bangkok Chat.
Hi5
Thailovelinks (pay site)
Asian Euro
MSN Personals

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]OTH, aren't you doing that now--ha ha[/QUOTE]

More than I care to admit...LOL

[QUOTE=Wilsafris]I hope this is not innapropriate to ask, but you mentioned that you meet many TG online, sometimes getting 85 messages in your inbox. Would it be possible to share which online sight you have this kind of luck? I will be visiting Thailand in February and I would like to meet some online girls so I can take them out when I arrive.

Thank you for your consideration in this matter.[/QUOTE]

Why hook up with a Thai girl sight unseen. Once you hit the ground you will have no trouble at all finding Thai girls by the dozen. Wait and pick one out of the lineup of thousands in person. Believe me, even a cave man could do it.

fellas,

imho, there is no such thing as free pussy! regardless of how much we want to brag about things, when you narrow it all down and put it in perpective there is always a price to pay even if it is a small one when compare to the baht. we as men can never be happy that is our makeup, when we don't have it we complain, when we do have it we get bored and look for greener pasture. we all come to the los for one reason or another but in the end we are here talking about pussy and how to get it and to get rid of it! we are never happy!

in the beginning when it is new we can't get enough, 1,2,3, times a day, it's great! but as time goes on it get's old and the relationship turns to being more about the relationship than the sex and we start to get antsy and we as mongers start to move our heads slowly but surely! for some of us we get into a relationship but how many of us can get the mongering out of ourselves?

as troporep001 indicated, whether your relationship is with a pro or a non-pro whether you love them or not don't ever throw it in their face. i came to visit los, many years ago because of my brother, along with him telling me that there is pussy everywhere so i came. whether your women is a pro or non-pro they have friends and family that have educated them as to why we are here and as a farang you can expect and receive certain things. this is my opinion it never leaves them they are always protective of themselves.

i still remember in my own relationship after a few years i decide it was time to get married. i remember that night before we went to bed she look me right in the eye and said " if you have another women or want another women now that we are married! don't ever do it in front of me " let me save face! in thai it's call ( see not ) of course not the correct spelling. that's is why i love this women she is so up front and honest have never ask me for anything but that!

so in the 7 years of our relationship i have learned to keep a stiff neck at all times while i am in pattaya no matter what! i'm told i'm a expert but i did wander on my last trip to pattaya since it was the longest period ever, that given the opportunity to go out with a visiting family member i went back to my old mongering ways and felt bad and made a promise to myself not to do it again in pattaya and keep my mongering in bangkok.

as for looking for girls pros or non pros, i go eye shopping at the siam shopping center in bkk, ( not the expensive side, but the local side ) whether they are pros or not i am up front and honest with all of them that i just want some company tonight.

alittle off track and might be on the wrong thread but what the hell! that's my opinion. lbm

[QUOTE=Wilsafris]I hope this is not innapropriate to ask, but you mentioned that you meet many TG online, sometimes getting 85 messages in your inbox. Would it be possible to share which online sight you have this kind of luck? I will be visiting Thailand in February and I would like to meet some online girls so I can take them out when I arrive.

Thank you for your consideration in this matter.[/QUOTE]

Try Yahoo Chat. There are several boards:

Siam
Bangkok
and Thailand

I have met many nice girls on these sights. Some of them just want to fuck you and some of them want boyfriends.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]No CBJ 4 Me,
Its high time you got your arse back to LOS.
Your high quality Photo Gallery shots of superior looking girls are greatly missed.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Mick,

I'd love to be chasin' tail and taking pics tonight in "Devine Pussy Central".

I'm working on getting over there next month.

Cheers
nocbj4me

[quote=phantomtiger2]<cut>
yeah, thai women can go nuts on you but the women back home are worst as not only are they psycho but also much more expensive to maintain.--imo
[/quote]
by psycho girls i really meant girls who were well above average levels of crazy. was it just my bad luck or do most highly sexed girls fall into this category?

one was quite delusional in that she would be certain things happened that actually didn't. paranoid too but at least she raped me often to ensure i didn't have the energy to play up. the evil thoughts in her brain would surface when she drank alcohol or sometimes was just worked up. another was too dependent causing extreme hassles and changing her mind many times per day (e.g. she left me about 12 times before enough was enough).

some women have at least reasonable levels of sanity. i have now chosen a stable quiet (when not having sex) girl. her weaknesses are "obstinacy" (very normal), very clumsy (so she is always in danger), and jai loi (lack of concentration). but these are wonderful weaknesses compared to what we normally run into with a girlfriend. she is frugal when she pays but not quite as frugal when itsmy money.

not what would be really of massive benefit to this entire forum would be a statistical analysis of women from most countries/cultures looking at the percent distribution of how often women want sex per week, how often they get it, and how it correlates to their good looks and to their level of sanity.
this is a baseline assuming no money benefits attached to the sex first-up.
also do they want sex with just one man or secretly would prefer several. this could help settle the debate over best countries for freebie mongering, for girlfriends/mates, etc.
i know i was born in a shit country in relation to girls attitudes and beauty!
i now almost confine myself to asians, europeans (preferably eastern), or carribean/sthamerican women due to their superior looks and attitudes.

the sooner the human race admits that we weren't meant to e monogamous, the better. but just my wishful thinking. we have been brainwashed by religion/culture too much, and women just don't want to share their personal male resource provider with others (very selfish).

I know this isn’t the most popular of topics to discuss but I would be very interested in getting some feed back on it from the locals, ex-pats, BKK regulars and first timers. Has anyone picked up any nasty STDs or bugs while mongering in Bangkok. If, so what did you get a how did you get it. (ie were you wearing a condom at all times and still picked something up). What is the most common STD that I am likely to encounter? Are the women in certain areas more likely to carry STDs?

I’m fanatical about condom use while engaging in this hobby. The Thai girl I see here always puts one on before oral and I’m fine with that. I don’t drink much and I don’t use drugs so I won’t “forget” to keep it covered. My only weakness is that I like DATY but perhaps I should abstain from that activity while I’m there.

I’ve got my trip planned for the end of February and I plan on going a little nuts while I have the chance. My goal will be 3-5 girls a day for 5 days straight. Maybe I’ve got my goals set a little high. Maybe 2 girls a day will be enough.

I know there are certain inherent dangers to this hobby but I’m trying to minimize them as much as possible. Right now I’m just trying to figure out how much actual risk I will be in for a week.

Thanks

First time posting about my first time in Thailand. Enjoy.

Your first is always the most memorable. That is the case with my first trip to Thailand. When another manager asked whether I wanted to join him on a work assignment to Chonburi, I hesitated in giving him a direct answer. After doing a quick research and finding this site, I jumped with a big grin on my face and immediately informed my reporting manager about my expected business trip. Once given the green light, I took advantage of the situation and immediately planned a quick vacation to follow. I was excited and nervous, excited because this was my first time back to Thailand since I left 26 yrs ago as a child and nervous because I had a few presentations to prep with an already tight schedule.

I get an email the following day asking which hotel I wanted to stay while in Thailand. With no prior experience I relied on the manager’s decision and decided to stay at the same hotel. Another manager will be coming along on this trip. Because of his work schedule he will arrive and check into the hotel later that evening and meet us for breakfast in the morning. The last 2 hrs (flying from HK to BBK) was a nightmare when all of a sudden I get a mouthful from the 50ish blonde lady sitting in front of me. “God, would you quit moving around?” I was more embarrassed for her loud mouth than feel sorry that I interrupted her by getting up for the bathroom. My Thai behavior kicked in and I smiled at her. Instead of defending myself, I calmly apologized for whatever I did. I wasn’t going to let her ruin my trip. She probably needed to release her stress (sitting 20 hrs in a cramp place for an old lady, I can understand) more than I needed to release my bladder. I walked through security and custom with a breeze. The official noticed “Place of Birth: Thailand” on my passport and decided to converse in Thai. I shrugged and told him in English that I did not understand him and I do not speak Thai. After a short lesson in Sawadee Kraup and Sawadee Ka, I was on my way. With no missing luggage, we were on our way to the Hyatt Grand Erawan Hotel, on Rajdamri Road.

Checked in and was in my room by 10PM. I was excited and wide awake so going to bed was out of the question. After a quick shower, I found my way down to the lobby. Next to the lobby, there was a large ballroom that was quite “happening” with a good crowd. Not having any prior social relationship with the manager I came with, I decided to leave the lobby alone. Picked up a cab and told the cab driver “Nana Plaza.” Having experienced the congested Bay Area and LA traffic and dreading every bit of it, I actually enjoyed the lively, congested, one-way traffic to Nana Plaza. My eyes wide open when the cab driver stopped in front of a crowded corner, signaling my destination. 35 baht reads the meter and I gave him 50 baht with a smile. The warm atmosphere, beautiful ladies, busy traffic, vending food smell, and the music; all lived up to the postings I read here. I avoided the upper level as noted. Being of Thai origin, I walked around outside the bar area with no hassle. Walked into Rainbow and immediately was led to an open seat. The place was crowded with foreigners and lots of dancers. Being my first time to a go-go bar in BBK, I have no plan but to enjoy whatever comes my way. The pushy chubby waitress realized that I did not speak Thai so she assumed I was Japanese. She made several attempts to ask for a drink and came back with a lovely lady, just my type. I bought her a lady drink and offered one for the persistent waitress. She smiled and came back with three drinks. After the second round of drinks, I already have someone on my mind. Luckily the lady that has been sitting with me was signaled to go up onto the stage. Free as a happily divorced man, I requested the help of the persistent waitress. “Call #34 over. I would like to buy her a drink.” In no time, a slim fit, beautiful young lady was standing in front of me, trying to squeeze into my seat. After a drink and the usual introduction of name, age, where from, she wanted to leave the place. She asked where I was staying and I handed her a card of the hotel. She took the card and asked the mamasan where the hotel was. She smiled when she hears the mamasan said “Erawan.” I paid the drink tab and 600 baht bar fine. We walked out the door and I realized I have not discussed pricing with her. Rookie mistake! Leading the way, hand in hand, I reflected back on $200 exchange I made while at the airport. Slightly boozed from the earlier drinks, I assured myself that I had not spend more than $100 since I left the hotel and I should have enough in my pocket for the lady.

Passed the long, empty lobby, I was a bit embarrassed when we were stopped by security as we reached the elevator. I gave him my room number and she handed him her ID. In my mind, I’m thinking “extra charge? This will show up on check-out tab and my manager will notice it!” She noticed a rookie’s look while in the elevator and she assured (in her nearly perfect English) that it was a standard security practice for most of the hotels in the area. In no time, the clang from the closing of my room door echoes within me. Sitting on the foot of the bed was a beautiful Thai lady, exhaling every bit of air from her exhausted body with a smile. She is petite and stands no more than 5’1” and weighs about 100 lb. Perfect match for a 140 lb, 5’5” guy. She showered while I called the front lobby to set up a wake up call for 7AM. I checked my wallet and the counted the bills. A few folded Jeffersons along with 2800 in baht, no problem! As I opened the bathroom door, she was already out of the shower and in her robe. After a quick rinse, I stepped out of the bathroom to find her licking the last of the melted chocolate from her fingers. We shared a bottle of water and slipped under the cover.

As I turned to reach for her, 1:46 is displayed in red. In one swift counter move, her cool body is on top of me, one hand stroking my third leg below while her lips are gently kissing my nipple. Her kissing made its way down between my legs and I can feel her warm mouth as it slowly engulfed my stiff rod. After a few minutes of slurping, she insisted on riding me cowgirl and I happily allowed her. She was surprisingly tight and took all of me in slowly. For roughly 10 minutes of bouncing up and down, grinding my entire shaft, she gave up, exhausted. She laughed and revealed an expression as if she had failed. While still on top of me, we managed to get onto the end of the bed and worked out a few more sweat. I stood up and bounced her until she could no longer hold on. It is already 2:15 when I knocked over the clock on the desk. On the desk, she is flat on her back with her legs up resting on my shoulders. I pounded her deep. The desk would knock the wall on every deep pound. Waking up the neighbor was the last thing on my mind as I continue to keep the rhythm going. After 7-8 mins of thumping, I got off her and sat down on the chair. She came over and said “hmm, you taking too long” with an exhausted smile as she climbed on. I took that as a compliment and told her that we would be doing this until the sun comes up. “But I’m so tired,” with a sad face. She continued with a deep grind, looked into my eyes as the chair continues to squeak. Not knowing that I was about to pop, she stopped to take a breather. That gave me some much needed breathing and muscle relaxation. We continued on the bed with missionary, spooning, doggy, and more cowgirl, which made me finally burst inside her. Of course I was wearing a jimmy. I rinsed off, picked up the clock from the floor and it read 3:40AM. I’m thinking to myself, if can get up at 6AM, I have one hour to “wake” her up. In less than 10 mins, we were both sleeping. Sometime around 6 that morning, I tugged her for round 2 but she would not move. Still tire and sore, I decided to continue resting. The phone rang at exactly 7AM and I stumbled to get to the shower. She ended up in the bathroom too and I signaled for 2nd round with her in the shower but she said “no, you going to be late”. Realizing I was going to be late, I cleaned up and got dressed while she was in the shower. A few minutes later, she came out of the bathroom, all done and ready to leave. We sat for a few minutes and stared at one another across the room. She agreed and I snapped a picture of her reflection in the mirror while she was sitting peacefully. It came time to leave and I handed her 2000 baht. She said “3500 baht. I always charge 3500,” with a warm and sad frown on her face. “That’s all I have. Everyone charges 2000 baht.” She sat there and would not move. I wanted to save a few baht to tip the bellboy so I decided to hand her another 500 baht. That finally put a smile on her face and she “wai-ed” me as I opened the door for her. Though she made a scene at the end, I am at fault for it. Not negotiating price before leaving the bar is simply asking for this exact scam (if I may call it). She worked hard and long (always with a warm smile); these are what contributed to a memorable event with her. (note: 2nd trip, 6 months later, I was in Rainbow again and managed to get a hold of her. She did not quite remember me but when I hinted to her “Erawan,” she smiled with an “oh yeah, I remember.” I asked her how much and she still insisted 3500 baht. Of course, I immediately signaled for another lady)

As I approached the breakfast area, both managers were waiting for me. We grabbed a quick meal and talked about our work plan for that day. After breakfast, we took the elevator up to our rooms to pick up our luggage. One manager (the one that I flew with) got off the 8th floor. I asked the 2nd manager which floor he was on and he replied, “10th floor, same as you.” I was a bit shocked. How did he know which floor I was on? As I turned the corner, he said “I think I am next to you.” My face immediately flushed in red and all I could say was “see you down stair.” Of all the rooms available in the hotel, he had to be next to me. As I open the door to my room, all I could do was quietly laugh at myself with flashbacks of the desk knocking against the wall, the loud chair squeaking, and the loud moaning. I did not dare to ask him how his night was during the entire two hour drive to Chonburi.

The afternoon and evening went by quick. It was nearly 10PM when I finally got a glimpse of Beach St from inside the van. For a moment I thought the driver was giving us a quick tour of the night scene but after two left turns through the busiest streets, we arrived at the Marriot lobby and was greeted by a warm welcome, cool wash towels and iced drinks. Aw!! It wasn’t long before I was out of the shower and in my shorts and sandals, ready to backtrack my way toward the “Walking Street” sign we passed by earlier. The street was alive with people walking, car passing, and motorbike rev’ing nonstop. I found my way to the end of the wooden pier on Beach St with a cup of cappuccino from the local Starbuck across the street. After half an hour observing the fishing, I noted that it wasn’t the fishes that brought all the fishermen out that night.

I walked the entire stretch of “Walking Street” and made mental notations of all the potential places to visit. On my way back, I walked up the escalator to Peppermint Go-Go. Two hours later, lady in hand, and less 3k baht (mainly due to lady drinks. Yeah, sucker written on my forehead!), I am eager to get back to my hotel. A long and exhausting deed performed between two showers and I am knocked out cold. Not a thing interesting worth mentioning. I had to rush her out the door at 7AM to make it for breakfast and pickup at 8AM. Again, worked all day and didn’t get back to hotel until 10PM. The same routine repeated with a different lady. Of all places, I got a glance of a Thai co-worker in Peppermint and I was immediately flushed in red. The next day at work, we both avoided each other. The next day, again, I saw him and this time we both open up. Those few Heinekens was the best drinks I’ve had since in Thailand.

Of the 6 night stay in Pattaya, I visited Peppermint 3 times and no other places. You must be wondering why? That Saturday afternoon, I walked from Marriot (Soi 13) all the way down to Top Market and back. On the corner of Soi 6, I approached an old Ahka lady and inquired about the jewelry she was selling. Before ending my transaction with her, there were 3 other ladies pushing their bracelets and necklaces for a quick sale. Being a sucker, I made purchase from all four ladies, each with a big grin on their face. I did not realize how beautiful one of lady was until I turned back to wave at them and she waved back. I was “in love.” Then and there, I reminded myself that I am in Thailand and falling in love is the last true thing. I walked all the way to Top Market and back to Soi 6, hoping to catch her again but she was no where to be seen. I believe I was at Mike’s when I decided to take a truck ride back toward Soi 6 again in hope to find her. I tell myself that this was the last attempt and if I don’t see her, it was meant to be that way. When I jumped on the bench of the truck bed, there she was- sitting with one of the older lady I bargained with. She smiled and asked where I was going. I smiled and told her I was going back to Soi 6 to look for her. She said “no way, you sure?” She introduced me to her mother. It seemed I’ve already won both their hearts earlier so when I asked for her phone number, she happily wrote it on my hand, instructing me in broken English to call her in the morning, but only after 10AM. “It was meant to be!” I finally relaxed and enjoyed the evening listening to a local Thai band.

10AM and I did not hesitate to call her up. She answered and we agreed to meet at the same corner on Soi 6 at noon. With so much walking, I wanted to get some legitimate massage with her. In my own broken English (why do we speak in broken English?), I tried to explain to her and the motor-boy about a massage place I visited earlier but the more I talked, the more confuse they seemed to get. I am on the bike with her, motor-boy driving us down the road with no destination. I noticed a massage sign (one with them green sectioned toes) and I signaled for a stop. We got off and I told her I would like a massage and pointed at the shop. As we walked in and was led up stair, we both got extremely uncomfortable when we were told to take our clothes off in this old, dingy place. We looked at one another, looked at the door, and were out of there faster than we walked in. She laughed and said she just wanted to go watch a movie.

I enjoyed “The Sin” and was pleasantly surprised at the start of the movie when I learned that it was customary to salute His Majesty The King before the movie. We ended the evening listening to Thai CDs in my room. A peck on the cheek and she was off to her house. Long story short, I asked her to take a trip with me up to Chiang Mai for the remainder of my Thailand stay. Originally from Chiang Rai and having relatives in Chiang Mai, she agreed and we spent the next week sight seeing, shopping, and dining in the area. I met her younger siblings and relatives while in Chiang Mai. Tears rolled down their eyes as they watched me board in BBK back to the states.

Yeah, I was distracted in LOS. I promised to return. 4 months later, I did exactly that. That story in another posting.

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Today I visited the sweltering Capital solely for the purpose of obtaining a Burmese Visa. I had planned to travel there tomorrow, but the trip is off, alas, because they only provide a very limited number of the 'one-day' visas. The well-groomed Burman behind the bullet-proof glass told me to 'change my ticket'. The regular process takes two days, which would have put me off till Monday, so I cancelled. Be warned mongers, one must plan ahead two days to go to exotic Bhurma. I hope to try again some months hence.

I had aready checked into a hotel at six AM after arriving by night bus, so I thought 'well why not give the old town a chance for one night', seeing as how I had already blown 600 baht on the room. (My normal practice upon finding myself in Bangkok is to leave immediately, for Pattaya or for that matter anywhere).

I took three different girls from China town before the embassy opened, but all were useless. They all demanded payment upfront, which is apparenty the norm in the 'Thai oriented' sex industry, and they all failed to perform in some way that they had promised - anally or orally. I was very discouraged, but happily had only actually paid one of them, so I was only out 300 baht plus 3 short time rooms at 50, 60, and 90 baht. It was an interesting tour of decrepit Chinatown hotels - the 60 baht had used towels, the 50 baht had an old peice of curtain material, and the 90 baht had clean fresh towels and a nice clean bathroom.

I went to bed unsatisfied, though not bittery so as I had boomboomed at the song suphanee just before getting on the nightbus in Isaan. Then after my misadventures at the Burman embassy and a long nap I found another girl at about five PM. This time I used my instincts and chose that most reliable of working girls - the 'Surin' girl. By that I mean the darkest girl on the street. I invariably find girls from Surin, Buriram, and Sisaket to give the best service by far. They also tend to have very nice firm bodies.

This girl immediately quoted 300 baht - another good sign. Never go with a girl who quotes more than you know to be the standard price. She also agreed to blow job and bareback! After hiring a short time room for 50 baht, I recieved a very decent BBBJ and BBFS in three positions (even her on top), with no difficulties, and even a few little animal noises thrown in. Creampie was recieved without complaint - even with apparent enthusiasm! She did ask for a 20 baht tip - and technically it is very offensive to be asked for a tip - but then again she was head and shoulders above the many rip-off artists I'd found earlier, so I tipped. Sad but true - good service is exceedingly rare in the Thai-oriented industry.

Later in the evening I went to the BeirGarten, mostly out of curiosity - it had been years since I had taken anything from there. There were many reasonably pretty girls, but of course beauty is always relative to price and service, so I was wary. Wasted 65 baht on the unwanted beer, then left with a tall very slim girl. She asked for 1,500, and agreed to 1,000. In the 270 baht short time room she gave an excellent BBBJ, and then insisted upon a condom for intercourse. After lots of disputation over this issue, it was finally agreed that she would do bareback for 1,000 extra. Such a horrible waste, I know, but I thought better to blow 2,000 on something fun than 1,000 on nothing. Anyway I recently recieved a handsome remittance.

She did complain quite a lot about the creampie, asking that I pay another 100 baht for her birth control pill. Of course I refused, as she already had the enormous sum of 2,000 baht out of me. Lastly I was somewhat annoyed by her English - she spoke it entirely too well, and even incorporated that alien language into her pretense of passion - which made it seem all the more fake. The simple animal noises of the Surin girl of Chinatown seemed much more genuine.

So, was the Nana girl for 2,270 better than the Chinatown girl for 350? No, obviously not. She looked slightly better and gave a slightly better BJ, but the difference was marginal. On the other hand I'll wager that one is less likely to go wrong with Nana girls - most do provide fairly decent service, unlike Chinatown where only a small minority do. Anyway happily I leave this sweatbox tomorrow afternoon.

o****

what an edifying tale.

you must be flush to recklessly spend that much money on a hag from the bier garten. after reading the many posts of your pious frugality in the hinterland of darkest (and i don't just mean complexion) isaan, it's quite unusual for your to go so wild...for the cost of nana hag, you could have shagged 6.5 of your usual girls (the .5 would be one of those midget isaan girls, one so often meets - lol).

i bet you'll think twice about doing that again.

Old Thai Hand, I can only attribute my error to heat exhaustion. The Capital is a miserable place!

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]By Psycho Girls I really meant girls who were well above average levels of crazy. Was it just my bad luck or do most highly sexed girls fall into this category?

One was quite delusional in that she would be certain things happened that actually didn't. .[/QUOTE]


You do have to be careful sometimes with any P4P gals in LOS as I've come across more than my fair share of them hooked on Yabba. They all react differently to this, some are almost comatose while others are acting out fantasies. Sometimes you cant spot them until its too late. One started taking it while she was riding me. So could look ok when you 1st pick them up.


PT

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]By Psycho Girls I really meant girls who were well above average levels of crazy. Was it just my bad luck or do most highly sexed girls fall into this category? [/QUOTE]

Well, it is a fact that most true nymphomaniacs are in fact afflicted with Bipolar disorder. Perhaps this is God's cruel joke on mankind.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker] She is frugal when she pays but not quite as frugal when it's my money.
[/QUOTE]

Hell, I'm putting my GF's sister through college and then she gives me shit about wasting a blank CD that costs six baht. Says I am wasting money. Go figure!

[QUOTE=Roady1]

My only weakness is that I like DATY but perhaps I should abstain from that activity while I’m there.


I know there are certain inherent dangers to this hobby but I’m trying to minimize them as much as possible. Right now I’m just trying to figure out how much actual risk I will be in for a week.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

You might want to check out the Safe Sex in Thailand forum. Bring your own condoms as the Thai ones tend to run small.

There are a lot of "nasty" things in Thailand. If you can't bear the consequences of your actions then you need a new hobby.

[QUOTE=Retired Army]Hell, I'm putting my GF's sister through college and then she gives me shit about wasting a blank CD that costs six baht. Says I am wasting money. Go figure![/QUOTE]


Hey Army,
that's not being psycho, she's just being cheap.

PT

[QUOTE=Roady1]I know this isn’t the most popular of topics to discuss but I would be very interested in getting some feed back on it from the locals, ex-pats, BKK regulars and first timers. Has anyone picked up any nasty STDs or bugs while mongering in Bangkok.
I know there are certain inherent dangers to this hobby but I’m trying to minimize them as much as possible. Right now I’m just trying to figure out how much actual risk I will be in for a week.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

1)You are newbie so let you know this is not the correct thread for these questions.
2)I dont need to answer this question in detail. Just go to the Hatyai (Thailand) thread right now and read what happen to a fellow newbie ISG member. Just got test back and positive for HIV (from a suppose GF who is a P4P).

Note: Please guys, dont make any flaming or negative comments if you plan to post there as He is feeling down enough. Sympathy, support and encouragement is what he needs from us.
Remember, that could've happen to any one of us. So play nice.

Peace all

PT

Roady1,

Don't sweat the negative we all make mistake. Please refer to the thread
" Safe sex in Thailand " reference as far back as you can it should be self explanatory.

Good Luck,
LBM

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]You do have to be careful sometimes with any P4P gals in LOS as I've come across more than my fair share of them hooked on Yabba. They all react differently to this, some are almost comatose while others are acting out fantasies. Sometimes you cant spot them until its too late. One started taking it while she was riding me. So could look ok when you 1st pick them up.

PT[/QUOTE]It is said that the olfactory sense is the most evocative of all. That has become quite evident to me lately. As I interview candidates for companionship on Sukhumvit, I find myself suddenly reliving the many childhood hours I spent assembling model airplanes and warships; ah, the un-mistakable perfume of DUCO glue.

The price and availibility of amphetimines must be way up as more and more girls seem to be resorting to this budget high, that would also explain a lot of the crazyness that seems to come from nowhere.

Glue really fucks the brain up quickly, often permanently. It really shows how futile most drug eradication efforts really are; stiffle one, another cheaper, more dangerous one pops-up.

For many years I was a fan of NEP and especialy Angel Witch.

Last nite I decided to pay a visit to Cowboi and see what is going on there.

Walked threw the bars and stoped at Shark bar that was warmly recomended here in the past.

No doubt - much more higher quality of TG , most 7-8 some 9.

Compare it to Angel Witch with most of girls 5-7.

It was after 1:30 AM and I was not in a mood to choose one - but i will do it for sure soonest.

A Happy New Mongering Year, gents!

I'd like to get the latest information concerning Russian and East European pick up venues in BKK. Yeah, I did my homework and know about MC2 in Novotel Siam Square and Grace Hotel North Sukhumvit (See my reports from 2 years ago!). Here are my questions:
Can you confirm the mentioned venues?
Are there new spots?
What are the full night rates?
I'm looking forward to check this scene out between the 18th and 21st this month!

Thank you a lot and keep safe!

Have just returned from 3 weeks in LOS. Spent most of my time in BKK with a little sojurn to Pattya. Just thought I would share a few thoughts and impressions on some of the areas visited.

I stay in soi 4 in a little place called white orchid inn at 700baht a night, maybe cheap for some but it has a bed, air con, hot shower, television and the staff are friendly and helpful. It also leaves more money for my favourite pastimes beer and the ladies.

Nana area
Only went into the Plaza a couple of times and what with the bombs going off and the state of the plaza (1 way in 1 way out), was glad to have visited there earlier in my trip. Places to visit Rainbow 4 and Angelwitch - cute girls in both places. Be careful as their are so many katoeys about.

In the carpark you can find some gems but again katoeys are everywhere and seem to be hanging around further up the soi away from sukhumvit also.

Soi Cowbow
Is certainly in my opinion much better, Sharks, Baccara my favourites...real quality girls in both places for a bit of fun Jungle Jims for the extreme groping.

Biergarten
I found some real gems in there this trip about 4.30pm in the afternoon seemed a great time, plenty of younger girls (18+ of course), was a bit hit and miss but i found the quality there much better than other trips.

Soi 7/1 (Soi Eden)
This soi of beer bars etc is really pumping, some more than others but i enjoyed many an early evening in the Downunder Bar overlooking the ladies before venturing out. There is even a gogo bar called magic table in the soi since i last visited.

Soi 22
Lots of little gems in this area, was not pumping with farangs but their were some hotties down there, worth the trip, the price, and the experience.

Patpong
Full of Katoeys and for me the gogos are a place to avoid.

Pattya
Was pumping most nights. I really enjoyed Angelwitch, Club Boesche and a few others that I can't remember the names of. Some good happy hours prices, some great shows and some very nice ladies. Lots of ladies in the beer bars and some gems if you can be bothered looking

Cost
All in all in Bangkok the girls seem to be asking ridiculous prices at the moment, but never fall for that, overall I paid about 1500baht some 1000baht longtime, even with the gogo girls.

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[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]You do have to be careful sometimes with any P4P gals in LOS as I've come across more than my fair share of them hooked on Yabba. They all react differently to this, some are almost comatose while others are acting out fantasies. Sometimes you cant spot them until its too late. One started taking it while she was riding me. So could look ok when you 1st pick them up.
PT[/QUOTE]
I don't know what "Yabba" is other than Yabba-Dabba-Doo from the Flintstones.
I guess you must be refering to Yah Bah! (sounds like "yar bar!"), meaning "crazy medicine/pill", the Amphetimine popular in Thailand. Don't really know how to spell it other than two Bs definitely leads to completely wrong pronunciation and had me mystified for a while. But I don't spell well in any case.

I should have added that my 2 highly sexed crazy ex girlfriends were not in Thailand but both were asian. Fortunately my current GF in Thailand seems to like sex O.K. and isn't crazy. So I am determined to keep her. Its probably the only girlfriend I've ever had who rates well in every category. She even gave up smoking for me.

I'll be checking in to Giotto's tomorrow night about 11pm. By then, the quality girls at Giotto's Sports Bar will be taken. Any suggestions for a place that's still busy after midnight much appreciated.

[QUOTE=Hidcam 9]
It came time to leave and I handed her 2000 baht. She said “3500 baht. I always charge 3500,” with a warm and sad frown on her face. “That’s all I have. Everyone charges 2000 baht.” She sat there and would not move. I wanted to save a few baht to tip the bellboy so I decided to hand her another 500 baht. That finally put a smile on her face and she “wai-ed” me as I opened the door for her. [/QUOTE]
I you don't dicuss the price beforehand, this is really the girl's problem. It means she thinks she may get more out of you by leaving it to your discretion.
These days, top Nana bar girls probably expect more than 2000 Baht for a Long Time job. Cheaper and more desperate girls are avaliable. However I know some girls that suggest the guy go have a wank if he says 1000 Baht for a short time. But might be safer to discuss it to avoid misunderstandings.
Although many girls have gone with me without discussing price. They can probably tell I'm not a stingy type and I always pay well if service was good.
I would happily pay a high quality bar girl 3000 Baht for the whole night assuming at least 2 pops. I hate wasting my limited time more so than the extra Baht. However I haven't taken a bargirl for whole night for a long time now.

[quote=old thai hand]o****
for the cost of nana hag, you could have shagged 6.5 of your usual girls (the .5 would be one of those midget isaan girls, one so often meets - lol).
i bet you'll think twice about doing that again.[/quote]
i never thought i was prejudiced against short girls until recently in bars i noticed my tendancy to be attracted to the taller or even tallest girls. i'm 184 cm so normally i wouldn't want excessively short girls. one time in the bar recently, beer got knocked over and my shirt was beer-wet.
i went to the toilets and took my shirt off and washed it out under the tap. a help lady kindly offered to take the shirt away and iron it dry. gave her a good tip.
while sitting on a chair waiting, a tiny little girl came up and sat on my lap and started to grind a bit. i was very embarassed as not wanting to appear to be a ****. i asked how old she was. she protested profusely explaining that she was 28 and had two kids, but i had mistaken her for a 15 year old. oth will know she was 'obviously' an issan girl. however the tall girls in the bar were also issan. some issan girls are quite dark and some are not. some issan girls have wide flat noses and some don't. issan girls look somewhat different to common round-faced lao girls. some are even very beautiful to my taste. issan really has a wide variety. some are bullshit artists and some are very honest. so i'm not that keen on oth's generalisations. so don't look down on issan girls. some have wonderful character unspolied by tough poor childhood.

btw guys, its dangerous to go for tall flamboyant girls, in case they aren't girls. short small shy girls are generally safe from this point of view.
fortunately the tallest girl in the bar had a great body and was quite shy.

[QUOTE=Piper1]I'll be checking in to Giotto's tomorrow night about 11pm. By then, the quality girls at Giotto's Sports Bar will be taken. Any suggestions for a place that's still busy after midnight much appreciated.[/QUOTE]
Piper,

You might try Thermae or the Asoke street bars for FLs. I know some that like Thermae, but I've not done all that well there. I have had good luck occassionaly at the Asoke bars, but of course, YMMV. Have Fun!

Cheers,
-Y

Guys

In the context of this forum I have a slightly unusual question.

I'm coming to Bangkok in March accompanied by a female (I know, what a stupid thing to do!).

Can anybody therefore recommend the best places to take an open-minded woman in terms of the erotic side of Bangkok? I was considering the following:

1. The usual female ‘ping-pong ball’ shows.

2. Male-female live shows (I've heard these aren't actually very erotic, but might be good for a laugh).

3. Massage places – my companion is not into women (or so she says), but I think she might appreciate erotic massage. Does anyone know the best place to take a woman for a massage in Bangkok?

4. Any other ideas you might have for interesting things to do in the company of a Western woman in Bangkok

If you can recommend the best places to go I would be extremely grateful. In particular I am keen to avoid tourist traps that try to rip you off.

You can PM me if you prefer.

Thanks a lot guys

Altered Ego

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]However the tall girls in the bar were also Issan. Issan girls look somewhat different to common round-faced Lao girls.[/QUOTE]

It is certainly true that one can find tall Isaan girls. My favorite are the very thin 'angular' ones, though obviously I will fuck anything in a pinch. But your point about the difference between Lao and Isaan girls is an interesting one. Most of my experience with Lao girls has been in the brothels of Udon Thani and Nong Khai, so they may be individuals selected for having a look which appeals to Thais, but I agree they look quite different from Isaan girls. In fact they reminded me most of Vietnamese girls in Cambodian brothels. The better looking ones have that very slim but big breasted look one sees in Vietnamese but rarely in Isaan or Thai, though the majority of them are little baby-fat piglets.

Of the last two dozen Thai ladies I have "encountered" I would say like 20 of them have been dead-fish/underperformers.

I am averaging like 8 or 9 dead-fish out of every 10 ladies. This can't be normal!

To give some background: They are mostly Pattaya beer-bar ladies (but not all) Average about 22 y/o, no stunners or beauties; but some are "cute".

They choose me. We seem to get along fine. Until we get to the room.

Then after we take our shower together they become unresponsive to foreplay, initiate nothing, and just lye there during "boom-boom" like, well you know, a dead-fish.

Before this, some of these girls tell me that they want to stay with me and travel with me (their idea). But by the next morning they seem to have lost interest in me. But I don't know why!

I am not over-weight nor do I have any oder problems, etc.

So, out of every 10 ladies, how many should one expect to be a dead-fish/underperformer?

Any ideas of what the problem might be here? Any solutions?

[quote=mick licker]so i'm not that keen on oth's generalisations. so don't look down on issan girls. some have wonderful character unspolied by tough poor childhood.[/quote]

what generalizations? i was making a joke with o**** when referring to "dark complexions" largely because he prefers women from buriram and surin who almost all have dark skin. this is not a genralization. this is just fact.

i happen to like isaan girls, at least of a certain type.

but, as i've said repeatedly, before, i don't like those in p4p. they're crude, rude, dress badly, act badly and speak badly. it never ceases to amaze me how some guys develop righteous indignation about the slightest criticism of isaan hookers.

btw. as i've said many time, my gf comes from isaan and has white skin.

there are lots of different types of looks in isaan which is what makes it's people interesting. i've written about it extensively in the past. i could probably teach you a thing or two about the ethnographic history of the region in terms of the variety of appearances, as well as language and cultural differences.

for example, mukdahan has a very significant strain of vietnamese blood while roi et has a strong mix of chinese which results in both provinces having people of a different look and whiter skin than say those from udon thani who tend to be more ethnically lao and a bit darker. all three provinces also speak different dialects of isaan-lao.

i could go on and on in this cultural lesson - no generalizations here, mate.

however o**** makes generalizations in his post below about isaan girls. those close to the border with laos are more ethnically lao. those in other areas are quite different. you can't just use a term like "isaan girls" to make a statement, because it's a big region with a lot of cultural mixing.

[QUOTE=Piper1]I'll be checking in to Giotto's tomorrow night about 11pm. By then, the quality girls at Giotto's Sports Bar will be taken. Any suggestions for a place that's still busy after midnight much appreciated.[/QUOTE]Pipeman,

you talk to Giotto - he will know some places :) !


Giotto

CM2 was still full of them the last time I was there. A few of them hang out near the street entrance to the joint, but most of them are towards the back past the band stage area. Prices: they generally start off asking for ridiculous amounts; 6-5k baht l/t, but you can generally get them down to 3k. No idea about s/t.

There are quite a few on Soi 3 around where Grace Hotel is. You can often find them walking along the street there earlier in the day, but personally I find them pretty skanky compared with the better CM2 ones (YMMV).

There were a few hanging out in Spasso (Hyatt Erawan) last month; much better-looking but I didn't ask prices.

[QUOTE=Adimondo]A Happy New Mongering Year, gents!

I'd like to get the latest information concerning Russian and East European pick up venues in BKK. Yeah, I did my homework and know about MC2 in Novotel Siam Square and Grace Hotel North Sukhumvit (See my reports from 2 years ago!). Here are my questions:
Can you confirm the mentioned venues?
Are there new spots?
What are the full night rates?
I'm looking forward to check this scene out between the 18th and 21st this month!

Thank you a lot and keep safe![/QUOTE]

There is a selection of them at the Rajak Hotel coffeeshop, just off Soi 4.Nana. Most a bit skanky, but some kwality too. Ya gotta talk to the Thai pimp first, ladies wouldn't talk to me-I was quoted 3000 Baht ST. I passed.

Hope This Helps

The point, as you say, is “not being tied down,” which you do recognize is valuable. Love is wonderful and long term relationships are great, but the price, while often worth it, is always much higher than p4p situations. With p4p it’s just money, but with “regular girls” it’s also feelings, emotions, families, and all the other heavy baggage which inevitably goes with them. Playing the field with several hotie regular girls sure sounds good, but that option is often fraught with peril as well, since if you are honest and sensitive like me, you must be constantly worried about getting caught with the “other woman,” with all the horrible emotions and warfare that entails, not to mention the escalating financial consequences of trying to keep multiple girl friends happy. IMHO, p4p offers the best bang for the buck.

Daddy[/QUOTE]Thanks much to TOH, Mick Licker, Retired Army and others regarding this thread last week on the issue of maintaining a relationship with a TGF vs just mongering. There are certainly many pluses and minues on both sides of this issue and it was certainly refreshing to see that I am not the only one trying to work this out in my head. As for me I do not post much but have now been invloved in a serious relationship with a beautiful middle class TGF for 3 years. We rented a condo for the past two years and now have purchased a 4BR home just outside of BKK. Shes' beautiful and has lost of class and has put together a very beautiful home for the both of us to live in. (I still live in the USA but travel to LOS every 3 months for 3 weeks each trip). Of course there is now talk of her wanting the baby. I'm having doubts about myself. She knows my mongering ways and has actually allowed me out of the house to excercise those demons with certain limitations. But I find myself being less and less happy and have begun to ask myself many questions about this relationship many of which were discussed below last week. I like both worlds and I just cannot see myself ever giving that aspect of LOS up..Tough call but I wanted you guys to know you had hit upon something of real interest to some of us here.

Siddy

If you ever actually live here, it will be a lot different. Although not a guarantee, I bet you'd give up P4P mongering, eventually because you'd realize the girls aren't that nice, the quality isn't there, they're low-class and aren't to your taste, anymore.

As I've said before, most expats worth a damn don't want to be seen with these girls in public, even just going to a short-time hotel. if they monger at all, most play the more discreet Thai market of massage parlors etc.

The exceptions to this are the low-class scum living in Pattaya who never get past the sex-tourist mind-set.

Having the beautiful middle-class GF and the home, you're already well-above that.

This is the result of 8 days of mongering in Bangkok.

1 - Practicalities

1.1 Transport
- I intended to use the Airport Express (150 baths) but I realized that a taxi would cost only 300 baths to go to the center of the city. Do not answer to those proposing a limousine service inside the airport but go outside and queue like any ordinary thai. Fare is 250 + highway toll (65). Best value for money.
- Conversely, I strongly recommend the use of BTS and MRT subway instead of taxis in the city because of the traffic jam. They are easy to understand (english available), safe, quick, air conditionned, never over-crowded and very cheap. Buy a monthly card with 20 trips or a 3-days unlimited card. Almost all the parlours and bars can be reached with BTS and MRT. Some taxi will try to overcharge you if you want a drop off at a massage parlour.

1.2 Accommodation
Go-go bars are located in three areas: Patpong, Nana Plazza (Soi 3) and Soi Cowboy (Soi 23). My advice is to choose an hotel in the Sukhumvit road area beetween Soi 3 and 23, so that you will be at a walking distance (10 minutes) from these two last hotspots. I chose the Grand Business Inn which is reasonably cheap (1600 baths), girlfriendly (they just ask the guest ID which is safe for you) and close to Nana BTS station. Free internet wireless access in the lobby. It is also at a walking distance from one soapie : Plazza Entertainment. Sometimes too much noisy because of the inn and out of mongerers and in the morning because of nearby repairs. Maybe there are some other hotels in this area that could be a little bit better in this regard.

2 - General considerations

2.1 Where to go
Basically, you have two main ways to get FS in BKK : massage parlours (soapies) and go-go bars.
- Soapies open and close earlier than bars. You choose a girl behind a window (usually refered as "fishbowl") or on a catalogue. You get a 2 hours session with shower, different sort of massage, FS or other special service. Close at midnight, so last bird should turn up at 10pm. Cost vary from 2,500 to 5,000 baths.
- Bars are open up to 2am. You can choose a girl for a short or long term session (the whole night in your place), but half do only ST. LT cost is from 3,000 to 4,000 + barfine 500 baths, unless you bargain which I never do.
- Free lancers and high-class escort in nightclubs are said to be widely available, but I have not explored this possibility nor the escorts agencies to be found in many touristical leaflets distributed at my hotel. There were no many reasons to do that because of the variety of choice that the above have to offer.
- My advice : if you are in BKK for a couple of days or less, visit the soapies. You will have a larger selection and enjoy a massage that you will never get elswhere. Bars require a more elaborated strategy (see hereafter). If you stay 3 days or more, organize your day as follows:
- morning : visit of the main touristical sites which close at 3pm. Once you have found a gem, take her on tour on one of these boats on the river.
- afternoon : soapies from 4pm onward. Recharge.
- night : gogo bars for LT session and early morning shot.

2.2 What strategy in gogo bars?
Thai girls are definitly pretty, because they are slim and look younger than their age. Although this is not the majority, there are some with larger breasts than I could immagine, whether natural or enhanced. But that is not the most important : what's crazy with them is that they offer a genuine GFE service. Unbelievable. Even DFK which is not supposed to be in thai habits is now a must for most of them.
Even though the majority will not fancy you, there is such a number of choice that you should find a pretty to stunning girl every night. However, this can be achieved if you come either early to the bars or get to know more about who's working where and do ST or LT.
Each time you enter in a bar, you want to order a drink (120 baths) otherwise you'll be arrassed all the time and you want to have time to consider all options. One day, I spent like 500 baths in "ladies drinks" but the investment was worth the try because I got a real cutie with the assistance of a "second bar lady". I was surprised to see that really good looking girl (8 or above) were still available at 2am, even though my target is the slim waist-large breast type, but there were still many guys around and I said to myself: but what do not they just pick them when it's closing time?

3. - Soapies
You have to look at Giotto's review in the massage section and the following link : [url]www.nightlife.thaigirlbride-thaiwomanwife.com[/url] to know how to find them easilly:

- Plazza Entertainment: Cupidy is more expensive than Delila upstairs but I got an excellent service in the first case : my masseuse was classy and looked really younger than her 34 years old, we had an interesting discussion about prostitutes, she was very open-minded and honest. In particular she warned me not to fall in love and send some money to any fiancee.
- Poseidon: impecable hygiene and professional service. VIP models are available from 6pm.
- Angel: Photo models are fair, price cheap and good selection of girl. Probably very good value for money but I did not have time to explore more than once, and my choice was not the best one. Was busy at 6pm so the choice limited.

4 - Go-go bars
Usefull link : [url]www.bangkokbargirls.info[/url]
- Nana Plazza : Focus on Rainbow 1, 2 and 4 bars, possibly Pretty Ladies and Angel witch. You will see 50% of the offer in these 4 bars and they are all ladyboys free.
- Soi Coboy : Topless dance is available here, unlike Nana Plazza. Rawhide and Long Gun offer genuine professional performances on stage which distracted me from my main purpose. But worth the visit for those not familiar with sex games! Dolhouse, Baccara and Shark are more traditionnal but offer the best selection.

5 - Last say
One of the reason why this report is not comprehensive is that I have fallen in love with a thai I have known through internet, so not a bar girl, and ... and she is more horny than any of my previous GF! We had great sex the last 3 days so things have been quite quickly. She is not in love with me but she said she wanted to know everything about me before I leave, even sexually. I habe been scrutinized by her during these 8 days. I am now working hard to invite her to my place so that I hope my feeling would eventually be reciprocal.

[QUOTE=Roady1]I know this isn’t the most popular of topics to discuss but I would be very interested in getting some feed back on it from the locals, ex-pats, BKK regulars and first timers. Has anyone picked up any nasty STDs or bugs while mongering in Bangkok. If, so what did you get a how did you get it. (ie were you wearing a condom at all times and still picked something up). What is the most common STD that I am likely to encounter? Are the women in certain areas more likely to carry STDs?

I know there are certain inherent dangers to this hobby but I’m trying to minimize them as much as possible. Right now I’m just trying to figure out how much actual risk I will be in for a week.

Thanks[/QUOTE]
I am sure everyone with have their own ideas on this topic, but i suppose i am an example of a monger who has never picked up anything in 8 years - however i must admit most of my activity has been in beijing and i am very careful and normally target the high cost - more educated - class of girl. However i am fully aware that i could easily be unlucky.
I have come to the conclusion that this hobby can never be risk free - so you need to consider that before taking it up. Saying that there are a lot of things you can do to minimise the risk - which you can find on the section on STD's thread - or even on the general internet. However one point, my mate in SEOUL picked up Clamydia from DATY - which while easily treated - was a STD. So be careful and be aware. Blood, saliva, semen and vaginal fluids are all vectors.

[quote=old thai hand]what generalizations? i was making a joke with o**** when referring to "dark complexions" largely because he prefers women from buriram and surin who almost all have dark skin. this is not a genralization. this is just fact.

i happen to like isaan girls, at least of a certain type.

but, as i've said repeatedly, before, i don't like those in p4p. they're crude, rude, dress badly, act badly and speak badly. it never ceases to amaze me how some guys develop righteous indignation about the slightest criticism of isaan hookers.

btw. as i've said many time, my gf comes from isaan and has white skin.

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o.k. sorry mate, i'm over-reacting to your attempts to provoke opebo i guess.
my gf is issan also from ubon (my very first issan gf and the best) and is neither dark not white, but just right
:-) and face shape is narrow with a small not-flat nose (somewhat untypical).
i rarely go for very pale skinned girls.
we all generalise at times of course.
like this one from above "they're crude, rude, dress badly, act badly and speak badly" o.k. maybe a fair percentage are, but not all.
i just need to get used to loosly interpreting these type of statements.
its a pity many working girls lose the ability to act like a normal girl when they are not at the bar.
and your right in the other post. we just can't afford to know them at all.
could easily meet one in the street who cannot be trusted to be at all discreet.

you can criticise hookers, of course, if it turns you on. i try not to be too critical since since i haven't given them up completely, but will try to stick to good ones on an occassional basis. i'll try to criticise specific girls more so than the masses.

[QUOTE=Jan Chris]<cut>
Basically, you have two main ways to get FS in BKK : massage parlours (soapies) and go-go bars.
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- Bars are open up to 2am.
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- Soi Coboy : Topless dance is available here, unlike Nana Plazza. Rawhide and Long Gun offer genuine professional performances on stage which distracted me from my main purpose. But worth the visit for those not familiar with sex games! Dolhouse, Baccara and Shark are more traditionnal but offer the best selection.
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A couple of things to add.
Many guys get girls from beer gardens ( I suppose these are sort of bars) but a little different. I believe these girls are cheeper in general but may be not so gorgeous.
Another important method is girls on the street (I never tried this method until was a Budhhist holiday and everything else was closed). So got forced into it. Turned out I chose a rather ordinary girl first up, so simply went out and got another one. 2nd time lucky. 3rd time also lucky. Pays to spend time chatting them up first.
I also have also been to go to "morning bars" when I wanted sex before Soapies opened.

Soi Cowboy has nude dancing (not just topless) in some bars these days, e.g. Long Gun, Suzi Wong. Deja Vu, etc.
Shark has semi see-through underwear but not nude I believe.
Baccarat girls are in school uniform but no panties underneath, a novelty that wears off quickly. I prefer to look at tall good looking girls totally nude.
Unfortunately this means Long Gun, and having to just put up with the shows, some are artistic and some are ugly weird. The amount of time for nude girls is therefore reduced by the shows.

[QUOTE=Monopoly]Of the last two dozen Thai ladies I have "encountered" I would say like 20 of them have been dead-fish/underperformers.

I am averaging like 8 or 9 dead-fish out of every 10 ladies. This can't be normal!

To give some background: They are mostly Pattaya beer-bar ladies (but not all) Average about 22 y/o, no stunners or beauties; but some are "cute".

They choose me. We seem to get along fine. Until we get to the room.
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You are strange mate.
The idea is to choose the lady and not have her choose you. If she is aggressive, thats a definite no-go. Actually a slightly shy girl can be good fun.
Get over your shyness. Take time to choose and choose wisely.
Watch a girl for a fair time. If she puts on too grimaces when talking to her friends. Forget her. If she puts on an act, forget her.
If she seems to like to have fun and smiles a lot, O.K this is good.
Talk first and see how she talks.
With these procedures in Bangkok, I rarely get a bad girl.
I sometimes get the wrong girl in a fishbowl since I have chosen without talking to them first.

[QUOTE=Opebo]It is certainly true that one can find tall Isaan girls. My favorite are the very thin 'angular' ones, though obviously I will fuck anything in a pinch. But your point about the difference between Lao and Isaan girls is an interesting one. Most of my experience with Lao girls has been in the brothels of Udon Thani and Nong Khai, so they may be individuals selected for having a look which appeals to Thais, but I agree they look quite different from Isaan girls. In fact they reminded me most of Vietnamese girls in Cambodian brothels. The better looking ones have that very slim but big breasted look one sees in Vietnamese but rarely in Isaan or Thai, though the majority of them are little baby-fat piglets.[/QUOTE]
I don't know about those brothels, but by Laos girls, I mean't girls born in the Country of Laos, e.g. Vientiane (Wianchan)
Issan girls are commonly called Laos girls as a slightly derogatory term because they're local dialect is closer to Laos Language than to central Thai.
But I noticed in Vientiane that the real Laos girls looked somewhat different to the Issan girls (faces tended to be more rounded).

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]

You can criticise hookers, of course, if it turns you on. I try not to be too critical since since I haven't given them up completely, but will try to stick to good ones on an occassional basis. I'll try to criticise specific girls more so than the masses.[/QUOTE]

I may criticize them, and not like how they speak and act. But, that doesn't mean I look down on them as such, unlike some other recent posters. They're human beings, afterall - just not to my liking.

[quote=mick licker]we all generalize at times of course.
like this one from above "they're crude, rude, dress badly, act badly and speak badly" o.k. maybe a fair percentage are, but not all.[/quote]

hey ml,

i'm not taking sides with oth on this issue. this means i'm not trying to watch his back or defend his conclusions, but even so, i agree with his generalization. that said, i am also not beating up on you either.

my experience in bangkok has also led me to the conclusion that isaan hookers are rude, crude, and generally unattractive (not so much in the physical sense, but unattractive because they are rude and crude).

when i first moved to thailand i was a typical newbie and most of the long-timers always seemed to be beating up on me. i (as almost all newbies do) took their comments harshly and had countless disputes with them, but in the end the long timers were not wrong.

i still frequent the upper sukhumvit area almost everyday to study the human condition as i am more interested in its imperfections than its perfections (if there are any). that said, i do not enjoy walking down the street with isaan hookers anymore. it doesn't bother so much at night when most of the normal people are in their homes, but i avoid being seen with them in the daytime for two reasons:

1) it's not good for my image and 2) i don't want to cause bad feelings in the hearts and minds of normal thai people. i am sure the sight of a farang with a thai hooker must be quite repulsive to them. the latter reason is the most important reason for me because i don't work in thailand, therefore i don't need to guard "my image" as closely as the expats who work here.

i don't know what event triggers the average expat to form the opinion that isaan hookers are rude and crude, but i know exactly what triggered it for me. it was the day i was walking down soi 4 and i overheard a group of isaan hookers talking about someone and that someone was me. this day was also the first time i realized i was beginning to be fluent with the thai language. it was as if a huge veil had been lifted from my eyes and i was able to see for the first time and consequently, my innocense was lost. and as all of us on this board should know, virginity is lost one time only.

i still speak with my second girlfriend and she is still an isaan hooker. we are now best friends and i will always love her. but even so, i am many times more than a little shy or embarrassed when i am with her around normal people because she is rude and crude. actually, she is not at all a rude person, but her actions and her speech are so crude that a normal person might very well condemn her as both rude and crude.

here's a very good recent example. she came over to my house a few days ago just before sunrise because she needed to borrow some money. i went out to meet her on the soi because she didn't even have enough money to pay her taxi fare. after taking care of the taxi we began walking to my apartment and suddenly she remembered that she forgot to call her friend.

at this time of the morning on my soi there are a large number of food vendors preparing their food stalls for the onslaught of hungry people that will soon be rushing to work. my ex-girlfriend stopped to retrieve her mobile phone and the particular place we stopped was well within earshot of the food vendors. once she dailed her friends number the fate of my upcoming embarrassment was sealed.

after waiting for her friend to answer the phone my ex-girlfriend began to speak in the same loud and crude voice that is typical of an isaan hooker. her greeting with her friend was particularly loud because she extremely happy her friend answered the phone. this happy greeting to her friend was not at all rude in her mind because it's just hooker talk, but normal people consider hooker talk to be both rude and crude.

the happy word of greeting that was practically shouted into the phone was, "ee dawk!" this is an extremely vulgar and degrading word that is normally used as an interjection for the very purpose of being rude. after hearing this i immediately put my finger to my mouth attempting to get my ex to speak in a soft voice, but instead she started speaking even louder because my attempts to quiet her were interpreted as interference and her act of speaking louder basically meant that i should shut up until she was off the phone.

at this point all ears were focused directly on the two of us and nary a food vendor was working anymore because they were listening to us. i live on a very respectable soi that is not anywhere near nor associated with sukhumvit and these food vendor are not exactly poor themselves. in fact, more than a few of them are associated with the owners of my apartment building!

so in the end, most isaan hookers are rude and crude in the same way that most scorpion are dangerous. a scoria stings you because stinging is what scorpion do and an isaan hooker is rude and crude because being rude and crude is what isaan hookers do.

in conclusion, although my ex has paid the money back to me, she is still a very crude girl. ;)

poster . . .

[QUOTE=PosterLion]Hey ML,

... I don't know what event triggers the average expat to form the opinion that Isaan hookers are rude and crude, but I know exactly what triggered it for me. It was the day I was walking down Soi 4 and I overheard a group of Isaan hookers talking about someone and that someone was me. poster[/QUOTE]Hey Poster Lion,

It's great to hear from you! Your first posts were largely responsible for me joining this board and deciding to come to LOS to see things for myself. I was wondering what happened to you. Obviously, you still like it there and have assimilated the language and culture. I envy your courage and your guts after so many told you that you'd crash and burn. Well, I suppose you did crash a few times but you didn't burn.

I just have one important question for you. What were them nasty crude Issan bitches saying about you that caused your epiphany?

Regards,

Daddy

mick licker's point, however, is valid. while these generalizations are, in the majority, valid - they are, however, generalizations which are not always true, and the exceptions to these general traits can, in fact, be exceptional.

on my last trip to bangkok, i met a truly wonderful issan lady from who was in fact, not crude at all (and i could easily see spending my life with her, if we could work out the logistics). when i first met her, i was actually surprised that she was a working girl (a freelancer on sukhumvit), because she was dressed like an office worker, and her english (learned mostly not from school, but rather, from tv and her interaction with farangs) was astonishingly good. her self-awareness is remarkable - she's working because the father of her child is gone, and her father is gone, and she doesn't see working on her mother's farm as the path to give her daughter the future that she wants for her. she's a street girl in bangkok from issan because she is making enough money to comfortably support her family, but she doesn't look like it, she doesn't act like it, she doesn't talk like it. i would be more than happy to be seen with her, both among thai society and among my own peers in business and socially in the u.s. she's also one of the two most exceptionally enthusiastic sex partners i've ever had (and the only one who was better was actually a genuine nymphomaniac with bipolar disorder). she also made it damn clear to me that condoms would always be used. it was only after i had been exclusively with her for over a week, and we had been having discussions about how we could be together for other time beyond the particular trip that i was on that this was compromised, and even then, i had to promise not to come inside her.

i wondered why she didn't get a professional job with one of the important hotel or tourism companies who cater to farangs, as she certainly has the presentability, intellect, and languange skills to do so, but she told me it's because she doesn't have a degree, and those companies only hire people with degrees. so she does what she does.

you can generalize all you wish about the typical p4p worker from issan. but they are not all the same. they are human beings, and they run the gamut of variety that all humans do. and many of them are quite fully realized individuals who have much to offer beyond providing orifaces for our dicks.

Will be with the Mrs in LOS next week. Booked accommodations in BKK, Lamai, Patong, and Chiangmai for my two weeks stay. Been to LOS several times in the past but this will be my first time with the Mrs and would like to inquire about your experience in LOS with your Mrs on your side.

1. Most importantly, how did you get time off for yourself? What are some excuses that would seem legitimate enough free you for a few hours to venture into p4p ground. I like fishing so she was willing to let me go fishing for a day. Anyone know of a local fishing tour in Lamai or Patong that will give me a quick morning fishing, leaving the afternoon off for some free time? any other ideas?

2. I am also interest in massage places where I can confortably bring in the Mrs and can still participate in the P4P action. Of course soapies are out of the questions! The last thing I want to do is choose a massuese from a line up in front of her. In your massage experience, will masseuse engage in play knowing that you walked in with your Mrs?

3. I am also looking for live Thai music bar or restaurant in the above places. Something similar to Elephant Bar in Patong or Blue Chili in Pattaya. I will be staying close to Suk/Soi 2, are there any good place around that area?

[QUOTE=Member #2041]
You can generalize all you wish about the typical p4p worker from Issan. But they are not all the same. They are human beings, and they run the gamut of variety that all humans do. And many of them are quite fully realized individuals who have much to offer beyond providing orifaces for our dicks.[/QUOTE]

Of course, everyone is different, and there are exceptions. But, I stand by what I have said and appreciate the experienced comments of Poster Lion, despite his not attempting to "watch my back" and agree with me. The vast majority of Isaan hookers are what I said they are. It doesn't mean they are evil or bad. It simply means they are...well...rude, crude and speak badly.

This woman you met may have been presentable and spoken English well (although, I wonder what her Thai is like). She may be a lovely woman in your eyes. But, for better or worse, Thais are very judgemental. They might well see through the thin veil of respectability that you can't penetrate. To you, this woman might seem polite and well-turned out. But to a Thai, she may appear totally crass. Despite your experiences here, you're still a visitor and don't know the nuances of the culture. While Thais would be polite to her. I doubt they would accept her into their society, unless they were of a similar status. But, of course, it depends on behavior. Westerners constantly judge Thais' preoccupation with heirarchy and status from a western perspective and thus are always highly critical of Thais' classism and apparent hypocricy. But, it is their culture, not ours. Unless you're one of those expats who lives in a Farang bubble (and there are lots of those), after awhile you begin to see things from the Thais' POV. One thing that one slowly starts to recognize are behavioral differences.

Poster Lion's epiphany is probably similar to mine. The moment I was able to understand enough Thai and Isaan dialect to know what was being said and HOW it was being said,, not to mention, the moment I dated my first regular TG and saw how she dressed, acted, spoke and behaved, I realized how unacceptable these women were. More to the point, I realized what many of them think about Farang. If most visitors knew exactly what these women think about them, they might have a different opinion.

Because this is an exotic foreign land and these girls look exotic as well, visitors begin to wax poetic about them, not realizing that once you're as familiar with them as you are with women from your own country and culture, you begin to separate them into appropriate and inapproriate, just as you would at home.

Many of these girls are the equivalent of the 'hillbillies' and 'trailer trash' one sees on the Jerry Springer Show in the US. Would you date one of those?

Thai women, whatever their status are trained by the culture to be flirtatious, charming and to cater to a man. This is what the vistor first sees. Bargirls and the like are excellent at this. But, "once the microphone and camera are off", their true selves come out.

Once you get submerged in the culture and are able to discern the subtleties of Thai women and see how a proper Thai woman acts and speaks, you'll truly see the difference.

And lest you think this is a condemnation of all Isaan girls, I offer the following story.

On my last birthday, my Isaan GF (educated and middle-class) and I went out with a friend, his Isaan GF (ex-Soi Cowboy), and his parents, who were visiting from Europe. My friend's GF, who I had always basically liked (and still like, despite her background) for some reason "let her guard down", spoke Thai in the most appalling manner and generally acted like an ill-bread country bumkin, (which she is) and more significantly, like the hooker that she, until recently had been. His parents, having been here numerous times and been acquainted with their son's numerous Thai GFs over the years were tuned in enough to catch at least some of this and were not impressed. But, what got me was my GF's reaction. She was very polite and kind to my friend's hick GF to the point that I thought she liked her. But, she was just being the polite, well-brought-up girl that she is, because once we left and were alone, she went off like a rocket about my friend's GF: about how she was dressed (skimpy top and hot-pants), and how rude she was, especially because she didn't take care of my friend's parents, (serve them food etc.) which a good Thai girl would do.

My GF's dislike for my friend's GF stems from the girl's lack of proper Thai behavior and respect because this is central to the culture.

That is the main point of my argument. Most of the women in P4P, even if not educated and from the lower classes would normally still have a modicum of proper Thai decorum, if it were not for the fact that they have been co-opted by the hooker life. Once that happens, they rarely change back.

I visited Grace hotel bar the other day. There were many russians, but unfortunately, many of them had attitude problems. I approached a few and was quoted 4000-5000Bhatt for LT (it was about 1am). What puzzled me that some of them quoted the price while making sour faces and immediately turning their faces away. I tried to remain nice, but couldnt take in some cases and stepped away instantly without continuing the conversation. They are mostly uzbeks or russians from Uzb, dark uzbeks having better attitudes than their lighter counterparts on average. After disco was over (around 2:30am) an uzbek girl, who was overweight, wearing black long dress that covered all her body till toes, had thin long black hair (not many left), was asking 3000 for LT. I couldnt believe that, she looked like a witch, I would rate her 1 (just because I have not seen 0). Anyway, there was nothing I liked that particular night and "nothing" liked me. I got fortunate on the way back to my hotel (Dynaty Inn Grande) and saw a nice looking tall russian girl who was in her late 30s with very good attitude (she was from Uzb., but was born in Siberia). It was nice to try something different for one night. Damage: 2000 for LT at 3am.

[QUOTE=Hidcam 9]I am also interest in massage places where I can confortably bring in the Mrs and can still participate in the P4P action. Of course soapies are out of the questions! The last thing I want to do is choose a massuese from a line up in front of her. In your massage experience, will masseuse engage in play knowing that you walked in with your Mrs? [/QUOTE]You need to take her to a nice Oily in a nice area.

I would suggest ThonglorII (behind emporium on soi 24).

The place is nice and I have seen women Farang go there for massage.

The rooms are very nice and the girls always offered extras :)

[QUOTE=PosterLion]
My experience in Bangkok has also led me to the conclusion that Isaan Hookers are rude, crude, and generally unattractive (not so much in the physical sense, but unattractive because they are rude and crude).
[/QUOTE]

My main problem with P4P girls is not exactly "rude&crude" but rather that they don't seem to realise our desire for discreetness and don't seem to care what people think they are.

If we are getting into generalisations, then sex Mongers in Bangkok, are rude and crude and not very attractive, except for me of course! :-)
I see girls trying to find a good guy but being accosted by really ugly guys who just do not know how to talk to a girl nicely.

Now some writers on the forum .... (just kidding).

[QUOTE=Fish N Chips]DUDE your a numb nuts!

Your the kind of goof-BALL that needs to be taken out back and shot.

YUP harsh words, you obviously don't comprehend what you read.

Have fun, we will be laughing![/QUOTE]
My mate John, first went to Thailand on his honeymoon. He was seriously affected and his marriage didn't last long.
I also first went to Thailand on a sort of honeymoon with Farang ex wife.
I was very frustrated .
Snuck out for a massage with a georgeous nude girl who couldn't speak English and no sex because I didn't take enough money with me, but my hard-on for her was very painful. Didn't get back to Thailand for at least another 7 years, after split with wife. This time I had learned to speak some Thai first.

Years later I took my Thai GF with me to Thailand which obviously cramped my style greatly.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]..... Most of the women in P4P, even if not educated and from the lower classes would normally still have a modicum of proper Thai decorum, if it were not for the fact that they have been co-opted by the hooker life. Once that happens, they rarely change back....[/QUOTE]Please allow me to join this interesting discussion, and let us extend it beyond Thailand and Issan.

Respectability depends on a combination factors, usually how you behave, how well you are known and the reasons thereof, much money you have and how you spend it (that’s the advertising influence), and how you earned it. The “where you born from” factor is more important in some countries: when it overshadows the other factors, it may be called “racism”. All countries are affected, and the Thai perception over the Issan girls is nothing exceptional.

Although some women try to earn respectability through their careers, it can be said that on a world-wide perspective, most of them still use their seduction powers to earn respectability, either being married to the right person, or progress by being a mistress. The P4P is also such tool, sometimes by choice or by necessity when the alternative is being married to a crass-poor man, or an abusive one, or simply work as a maid.

A bar-girl may manage to earn respectability and hide, or make forget her past. Obviously this is no easy task, but on the other hand she has more chance to meet someone with this job than by cleaning dishes. The lowest P4P category she comes from, the more challenging. I agree with OTH that beer or gogo bars are not the best education, and that easy money usually does not inspire a work and save ethics. On the other hand, not all P4P are low class tattooed Issan girls working in beer gardens or gogo bars, and many of them coming from various classes of society may have it easier to gain that famous respectability.

I am wondering how the statistics of success with a former Thai P4P player compare with the statistics of failure for long term relationships in Western countries. In my view, both choices are very challenging.

And I don’t see why every guy must feel compelled to try that challenge. With adequate money in many countries, we can play P4P in a diverting, diversified, decent and self-satisfactory way. Whether you want to have aside a long-term relationship with someone for the purpose of raising a family, without impeding your freedom, remain your choice as long as you manage it properly.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]My main problem with P4P girls is not exactly "rude&crude" but rather that they don't seem to realise our desire for discreetness and don't seem to care what people think they are.

If we are getting into generalisations, then sex Mongers in Bangkok, are rude and crude and not very attractive, except for me of course! :-)
I see girls trying to find a good guy but being accosted by really ugly guys who just do not know how to talk to a girl nicely.

Now some writers on the forum .... (just kidding).[/QUOTE]

I agree. The flip side of this issue is the mongers themselves. The girls are corrupted in the business and become jaded quickly because they have to shag revolting, crude and rude Farang who, as you say don't know how to talk to a woman or treat them properly. It's getting worse with the cheap all-in charters bringing uncouth yobs here in droves. Scum who couldn't get laid to save their souls in there own country come here and are quickly convinced that they're some f-ing sex-machine, who can have any woman they want. They quickly buy into some myth here about themselves vis-a-vis Thai women, that makes them cocky and write garbage like Billy Ibrox has written in the Safe Sex thread.

Billy...I wonder if an ill-bred, badly spoken scum-bag like you could ever get a real date back in Scotland, or wherever the fuck you come from.

Edit - I just got the word that Billy is Martians, aka Domino, aka Skinless...I guess I'm a bit slow today...LOL

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]
Edit - I just got the word that Billy is Martians, aka Domino, aka Skinless...I guess I'm a bit slow today...LOL[/QUOTE]

Now that is hilarious!

[QUOTE=Hidcam 9]Will be with the Mrs in LOS next week. Booked accommodations in BKK, Lamai, Patong, and Chiangmai for my two weeks stay. Been to LOS several times in the past but this will be my first time with the Mrs and would like to inquire about your experience in LOS with your Mrs on your side.

1. Most importantly, how did you get time off for yourself? What are some excuses that would seem legitimate enough free you for a few hours to venture into p4p ground. I like fishing so she was willing to let me go fishing for a day. Anyone know of a local fishing tour in Lamai or Patong that will give me a quick morning fishing, leaving the afternoon off for some free time? any other ideas?

2. I am also interest in massage places where I can confortably bring in the Mrs and can still participate in the P4P action. Of course soapies are out of the questions! The last thing I want to do is choose a massuese from a line up in front of her. In your massage experience, will masseuse engage in play knowing that you walked in with your Mrs?

3. I am also looking for live Thai music bar or restaurant in the above places. Something similar to Elephant Bar in Patong or Blue Chili in Pattaya. I will be staying close to Suk/Soi 2, are there any good place around that area?[/QUOTE]

I have known a few guys who let their wives accompany them to Bangkok and it generally leads to trouble. It is almost impossible to not see all of the older farang guys with young Thai women. She is going to put it all together very quickly and start asking questions. Best to avoid it.

[QUOTE=Hidcam 9]Will be with the Mrs in LOS next week. Booked accommodations in BKK, Lamai, Patong, and Chiangmai for my two weeks stay. Been to LOS several times in the past but this will be my first time with the Mrs and would like to inquire about your experience in LOS with your Mrs on your side.
[/QUOTE]


Hope you have a good divorce lawyer because your life is never going to be the same after you bring your wife to Thailand.

[QUOTE=Retired Army]Hope you have a good divorce lawyer because your life is never going to be the same after you bring your wife to Thailand.[/QUOTE]Sir,

is that sarcasm or irony :) ?


Giotto

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]...
Edit - I just got the word that Billy is Martians, aka Domino, aka Skinless...I guess I'm a bit slow today...LOL[/QUOTE]OldThaiHand,

Yes, slow :) ... I thought that was obvious...


Giotto

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand] The girls are corrupted in the business and become jaded quickly because they have to shag revolting, crude and rude Farang.[/QUOTE]Hey - leave me out of this!

(PS - I doubt that either Martians or Billy are Domino - they're way too lame).

[QUOTE=Hidcam 9]Will be with the Mrs in LOS next week.
1. Most importantly, how did you get time off for yourself?
2. I am also interest in massage places where I can confortably bring in the Mrs and can still participate in the P4P action. [/QUOTE]

Hi Hidcam9,
It's obvious that travelling alone is better, but I can sympathize with you. My GF wants to see the beaches and check out the sites in LOS. I've never been myself, so I'm thinking like a madman trying to come up with excuses to get away for hours at a time. I will be there in under 2 months, and I fully expect to get food poisoning and request she go off on her own site seeing! These things clear up quickly after a nice massage, I understand... :)

There are many clean massages listed throughout the forum (Ananda, Cefle, etc.), but I personally am planning to sneak away. Also, if you have a friend, or can meet up with ISG brothers who can act like your friend, I'm sure my GF wouldn't mind letting me go off for a drink to catch up!

I don't know your situation or relationship, but that might be the starting point of a strategy. Cheers, let us know how it goes cuz I'll be there shortly with the same problems.
-M

[QUOTE=SexWithSmile]Please allow me to join this interesting discussion, and let us extend it beyond Thailand and Issan.

Respectability depends on a combination factors, usually how you behave, how well you are known and the reasons thereof, much money you have and how you spend it (that’s the advertising influence), and how you earned it. The “where you born from” factor is more important in some countries: when it overshadows the other factors, it may be called “racism”. All countries are affected, and the Thai perception over the Issan girls is nothing exceptional.

Although some women try to earn respectability through their careers, it can be said that on a world-wide perspective, most of them still use their seduction powers to earn respectability, either being married to the right person, or progress by being a mistress. The P4P is also such tool, sometimes by choice or by necessity when the alternative is being married to a crass-poor man, or an abusive one, or simply work as a maid.

A bar-girl may manage to earn respectability and hide, or make forget her past. Obviously this is no easy task, but on the other hand she has more chance to meet someone with this job than by cleaning dishes. The lowest P4P category she comes from, the more challenging. I agree with OTH that beer or gogo bars are not the best education, and that easy money usually does not inspire a work and save ethics. On the other hand, not all P4P are low class tattooed Issan girls working in beer gardens or gogo bars, and many of them coming from various classes of society may have it easier to gain that famous respectability.

I am wondering how the statistics of success with a former Thai P4P player compare with the statistics of failure for long term relationships in Western countries. In my view, both choices are very challenging.

And I don’t see why every guy must feel compelled to try that challenge. With adequate money in many countries, we can play P4P in a diverting, diversified, decent and self-satisfactory way. Whether you want to have aside a long-term relationship with someone for the purpose of raising a family, without impeding your freedom, remain your choice as long as you manage it properly.[/QUOTE]I really like the flavor of your post. I appreciate it and it's shows that nothing is black and white. There's lots of ways to "do" life.

Thanks again.

Will be visiting Thailand from Feb. 1-18th with side trip to HCMC. I know it's beem mentioned before, but I can't find web sites that might cater to folks like us looking to hook up.

All I can think of is Craigslist.com. Anyone know any other good (preferably free ones). For either P4P or just to meet nice local BKK girls?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Giotto]Sir,

is that sarcasm or irony :) ?


Giotto[/QUOTE]

It's a little bit ironic, but it's the truth. Once you bring a Western wife to Thailand she will hate and distrust you for the rest of your life.

[QUOTE=Burkmere]All I can think of is Craigslist.com. Anyone know any other good (preferably free ones). For either P4P or just to meet nice local BKK girls? [/QUOTE]Nice Local BKK Girls are everywhere, from Street to MBK to BTS. (non working girls that is)

You can also hook up with a lot of girls in the bars and cafes (not A Gogos) but the ladies will expect payment for sex ;) (Thermae, CM2, Beergarden, Spazzo)

One thing though, since you have internet, it might be a good idea to try and find MSN ladies to Chat with. Might sound weird, but if you do a search for Bangkok users for example, a lot of TGs are online and will be ready to talk with you.

Can be working girls looking for a husband, or just regular girls looking for a husband. Either way, it's good to chat before arriving in BKK and you can even set-up meetings with them while you will be there.

Good luck to you ;)

I will also be in Thailand in Feb. with my wife. Unavoidable as it is part of my expat vacations which will cover several countries. We also will meet a Thai friend (women) of her.

I will not plan anything regarding constructed excuses to bypass observation.
Just no plan. If it occasionally happens then fine, I might use the chance, but no plan.

I am a carefull man. But I also have the chance to come later the year my myself. So no need for pressure.

So its a manageble pain for me.

regards

Brain666

I am due to be in BKK next week, for 1 night only, then back again a few days later for 2 nights. Hardly the mongering debauchery that some of you get to enjoy, but nice nonetheless. I am fortunate I get to experience this about 6 times a year.
I am currently in Bali, Indonesia, having the time of my life. I have posted several FRs in the Bali thread, if anyone is interested. I currently am juggling 6 or 7 ladies, all non pros, all with regular jobs, 9 AM to 5 PM type of girls. They ask nothing from me, just want a nice evening, dinner and a couple of drinks. They are loving, caring, attentive, very sexual, most with a sad story to tell, but still happy and smiling. They genuinely enjoy spending time with me, when I am free to spend time with them. One is coming to my house tonight, spending her own money to buy food, so she can cook me dinner.

So why am I looking forward to going to BKK, and hanging out in a smoky bar, the meet a girl who doesn’t give a shit about me, and who, once naked will more than likely have sagging breasts, and a road map on her belly, and who will give me a very forgettable fuck?

Why am I looking forward to it? I have no idea, but I am.

[QUOTE=Snookynic]Nice Local BKK Girls are everywhere, from Street to MBK to BTS. (non working girls that is)

You can also hook up with a lot of girls in the bars and cafes (not A Gogos) but the ladies will expect payment for sex ;) (Thermae, CM2, Beergarden, Spazzo)

One thing though, since you have internet, it might be a good idea to try and find MSN ladies to Chat with. Might sound weird, but if you do a search for Bangkok users for example, a lot of TGs are online and will be ready to talk with you.

Can be working girls looking for a husband, or just regular girls looking for a husband. Either way, it's good to chat before arriving in BKK and you can even set-up meetings with them while you will be there.

Good luck to you ;)[/QUOTE]

Picking up local girls on the BTS or at malls like MBK would be extremely difficult even for Farang living here, unless you speak Thai and you're a young stud. For a visitor, it would basically be impossible.

While it's true you can chat with TGs online to get to know them, and even set up meetings when you come here, don't expect to shag them unless you put in some time and effort. Again, speaking the language is big advantage. They can often chat (i.e. write) in English, but can't speak it or understand it - a product of the education system's emphasis on grammar over spoken English. Most online girls are looking for something long-term, so aren't likely to just hop into the sack on the first meeting. In my experience, on average it takes about 3 meetings (sometimes more, occasionally less) before you get a shot. There is often a lot of time wasted with no-shows or the girl is a dud.

It's ok if you live here like I do. But, If you're coming just for a holiday, it's not worth the effort IMHO, because it will take up too much of your time, not to mention the boring aspect (believe me, sometimes mind-numbingly boring) and cost of dating her, even for a short time before you get what you're after...Hey, sounds just like dating a girl back home. Doesn't it?

Are we able to book Air Asia flights from the States? I need to get from Macau to BKK and they have great flights at about $100 one way. Only problem is that their web site will not allow me to book and buy? Anyone have a solution?

[QUOTE=1Ball]
Why am I looking forward to it? I have no idea, but I am.[/QUOTE]

Because it's about the hunt, not the prize??? Same, same, but different???

Oh, I got it.


We always want more.

OTH, shooting fish in a barrel is not exactly prize hunting, you know !
Yap, we always want more........

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]It's ok if you live here like I do. But, If you're coming just for a holiday, it's not worth the effort IMHO, because it will take up too much of your time, not to mention the boring aspect (believe me, sometimes mind-numbingly boring) and cost of dating her, even for a short time before you get what you're after...Hey, sounds just like dating a girl back home. Doesn't it?[/QUOTE]Ha, I think you're right. While I'm open to meeting local women and do have some expat contacts there (not really friends..just people I met last time I was there), I think it'd be wiser to do the P4P thing and if I meet a local woman and we hit it off, fine.. If not, fine.

Thanks for bringing me to my senses.

Ha.

despite the not very positive first impression, i decide to take my ass back to silom for another look at sol.

here i am walking towards sol and one thing strikes me right away. the ladies are all dressed in white. being a monday and all, i would have thought that they would sport the yellow shirt in tribute to his majesty the king. the second thing that strikes me is that there are about 8 or 9 ladies outside, eating, chatting, applying makeup. and oh my god! 5 of the 9 girls were solid 7 or 8's (in my book anyways). what a very pleasant surprise. anyhow, i go inside and there's already a man there. mid 50s i would say.

as soon as i enter, he decides to move and goes to the bathroom area.

i order a drink and take a few sips, next thing you know, the man comes out. 5 minutes! undressing and re-dressing included. damn, that's big time skills points for the performer.

it is my second visit here but i already feel "at home". i can't describe the feeling, i feel relaxed. of course, this only will make my experience better.

so i am sitting at the bar sipping, taking my time and no less than 6 girls come see me. rub my dick and balls, send me an inviting wink. i decide to take an older lady (she says she's 33 but i would give her 38 easily) with big hooters and we go in the bathroom (i'm not much of an exhibitionist so the couch is not for me. not yet anyway).

there is a girl in the bathroom and when she sees me, she clears her stuff ready to leave. but before doing so, she rubs my balls and winks (i'm starting to think this is a sol trademark lol).

i undress and sit in the little corner area, my girl gets right down to business (no cleaning of little nic like they do at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]), she hasn't even been sucking for a 10 seconds that a couple of girls come inside and offer a helping hand (or mouth) but i decline the offer. the bar is not busy but none of the girls stick around, they leave the bathroom. my girl (sorry, as usual am very bad with names.) starts slowly and rubs, licks, sucks. all is perfect. already a good 10 minutes have passed and she took her top off already starting a nice tit fuck, she is very well endowed and has nice long nipples.

15 minutes and she now sucks like a vacuum cleaner, to be honest, i am amazed at the speed at which she is sucking up and down my shaft. it feels weird but good. 20 minutes have passed and she starts to get tired. she now handles my dick as if it is a deodorant spray bottle. you know, except it's not written "shake well before use" on my dick lol. you guessed it, she gives me the fastest hj i've ever experienced and after a few more minutes of tit fuck, she resumes her "hoover" technique.

it's been a good 25mn already and at this point i suggest a second lady join us because i don't think that i'll be able to finish if we pursue the "one on one". in the split of a second, my lady gets completely naked and starts dfk while another stats to suck me off. it feels good, i am being attended to by 2 ladies. one taking care of little nic and the other taking care of big nic. i have tits in my mouth, fingers up a warm pussy and getting a very skillful bj.

not even 5 minutes and i explode in #2's mouth. #1 want a piece and sucks my cum covered pecker.

i go over the sink and start to wash it and it's all red. #1 lady comes over and helps me wash it. she suggests next time i come and fuck her instead of a blowjob. (i make a mental note of that).

so i'm all cleaned up and exit the bathroom, sit on couch 2 and get the ladies to massage my back a little, we chit chat and ladies #1 & #2 want to know where i live so that they can come see me tonight.

i sit there for a while and think about the "magic" these girls just did to me. they put a big smile on my face and that smile can't seem to go away. i probably look stupid smiling at everything. but i feel great.

total damage: 1560 (2 ladies and 2 drinks)

tipped 200 each on top (not sure if that's enough but they seemed happy). another lady said she was jealous because the girls got to suck a "boy" so young. (i don't know if i should be happy or offended by that. i'm not 18 anymore lol).

i will definitely go back and visit sol again. and rather sooner than later. what a changed place from the one i visited last week.

i can however promise one thing, i need to pace myself here because if i don't, i'll soon become another of them sol regular. this place is highly addictive. not so much the seedy décor and ambience. but you have to give credit where credit's due: the girls make the place what it is.

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[QUOTE=1Ball]OTH, shooting fish in a barrel is not exactly prize hunting, you know ![/QUOTE]

Which is the main reason I don't like P4P. No challenge. There's considerable satisfaction in hunting and finally nailing a regular TG.

[QUOTE=1Ball]
I am currently in Bali, Indonesia, having the time of my life. I have posted several FRs in the Bali thread, if anyone is interested. I currently am juggling 6 or 7 ladies, all non pros, all with regular jobs, 9 AM to 5 PM type of girls. They ask nothing from me, just want a nice evening, dinner and a couple of drinks. They are loving, caring, attentive, very sexual, most with a sad story to tell, but still happy and smiling. They genuinely enjoy spending time with me, when I am free to spend time with them. One is coming to my house tonight, spending her own money to buy food, so she can cook me dinner.

So why am I looking forward to going to BKK, and hanging out in a smoky bar, the meet a girl who doesn’t give a shit about me, and who, once naked will more than likely have sagging breasts, and a road map on her belly, and who will give me a very forgettable fuck?

Why am I looking forward to it? I have no idea, but I am.[/QUOTE]
Well we certainly can't knock girls that cost nothing.

When I was in Bali (many years ago with my ex-wife) I noticed that not many balinese girls seemed that pretty. They seemd to be very old looking when in their early 20s. I did not form the desire to ever go back.
Got the impression that Djakarta ladies were far better looking.
Perhaps 1ball is not as fussy as me.

Then I went to Thailand (again with ex-wife) and thought the girls were fabulous (some). Was definitely interested in a return trip, without the wife as it eventually turned out.

If you are so worried about how the Thai P4P girl will look when naked, you have the option of going to a bar with nude dancing where you can view the whole package first.
I have a personal rule to generally not go with a girl from a bar without seeing her body in reasonable detail.
Fully dressed girls in gogo bars often have problems with their figure that prevent gogo dancing.
With today's fashions most of the bellys can be seen even when clothed.
If the tits look like silicone, its a no-go for me, although have made mistakes choosing from fishbowls of course.
Some MPs have some young girls with great bodies and no roadmaps also. Choosing street walkers can also be risky quality of the figure.

[QUOTE=SexWithSmile]
A bar-girl may manage to earn respectability and hide, or make forget her past. Obviously this is no easy task, but on the other hand she has more chance to meet someone with this job than by cleaning dishes. The lowest P4P category she comes from, the more challenging. I agree with OTH that beer or gogo bars are not the best education, and that easy money usually does not inspire a work and save ethics. On the other hand, not all P4P are low class tattooed Issan girls working in beer gardens or gogo bars, and many of them coming from various classes of society may have it easier to gain that famous respectability.

I am wondering how the statistics of success with a former Thai P4P player compare with the statistics of failure for long term relationships in Western countries. In my view, both choices are very challenging.
[/QUOTE]
"not all P4P are low class tattooed Issan girls working in beer gardens or gogo bars"
While I used to think tatoos, crazy piercings, silicone tits, etc. were all signs of low class, I'm not sure now. It seems that modern young girls do all sorts of "fashionable" things to be trendy. Oldies like me have to recondition our brains to accept more trendy and punky looks.

Farang marriages with P4P girls have a lower success rate than normal I believe. The longer the girl was in the game, the worse the likely outcome, generalisating.
However bear in mind that it may the guys problem that once a monger always a monger, and the girl was ill advised to choose a guy that will continue to butterfly.

So the important issue is can both sides behave in a normal way or at least sufficiently discreetly not to get caught.

I was once a 2nd secret part time dinner date and sex pal of a Thai girl, but she never got caught by the number 1 boyfriend. Its usually the guys who get caught because they don't know how to be careful.

[QUOTE=Burkmere]Ha, I think you're right. While I'm open to meeting local women and do have some expat contacts there (not really friends..just people I met last time I was there), I think it'd be wiser to do the P4P thing and if I meet a local woman and we hit it off, fine.. If not, fine.

Thanks for bringing me to my senses.

Ha.[/QUOTE]

This is an appropriate topic, as it turns out, because there were a couple of mongers on the campus of my university today, trying to pick up students.

I was startled to see these two scruffy, middle-aged ++ Farang attempting to chat up various female students, who while polite, I'm sure decided to resist temptation - LOL. Several students came up to me afterwards, quite shocked and giggling at this absurdity.

I don't know what wrong turn these guys took, walking out of the Bier Garten or wherever, but I would suggest that if they are reading this board, next time you're brazen enough (I've give you that) to attempt to pick up uni girls, (on campus, no less), that you shave,, maybe take a shower, dress better and pick a campus where the girls are NOT far richer than you'll ever be.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]While I used to think tatoos, crazy piercings, silicone tits, etc. were all signs of low class, I'm not sure now. It seems that modern young girls do all sorts of "fashionable" things to be trendy. Oldies like me have to recondition our brains to accept more trendy and punky looks.[/QUOTE]

Tattoos are not really a sign of class in Thailand, as they have always been an intrinsic part of the culture going back hundreds of years. I have students now, who sport tattoos, piercings and plastic noses and who one would describe as very definitely HiSo and filthy rich. My Gig has a Buddhist tattoo at the base of the back of her neck given to her by Ajarn Noo, the same guy who did Angeline Jolie.

Yes, a lot of Thai Girls and Farang girls now indulge in the Tatoo or piercing hobby.
This is just a trend and will disappear as soon as MTV introduces a new fashion. My sister got a Tatoo on her lower back and is very proud of it; while I smile and compliment her about it when she asks me, I can't help but secretely think that it is a terrible thing to do. I can picture her when she will be 50 years old and still sporting that ugly tatoo. It's just wrong.

That's my opinion anyway. No matter how cool the tatoo is, it's just a turnoff for me.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Tattoos are not really a sign of class in Thailand, as they have always been an intrinsic part of the culture going back hundreds of years. I have students now, who sport tattoos, piercings and plastic noses and who one would describe as very definitely HiSo and filthy rich. My Gig has a Buddhist tattoo at the base of the back of her neck given to her by Ajarn Noo, the same guy who did Angeline Jolie.[/QUOTE]
Useful insite here.
I prefer my girls au natural with no tatoos, no weird piercings, low jewelery, no tit jobs, no too high nose jobs, etc. However its not the modern way.
I have to recondition myself to the modern ways of younger girls.
I can accept some small tats, belly button jewelery, and a good nose job.
However I fear a bad tit job would be too much for me to accept.
I have very strong predudice against hard silicone tits.
I'm too old. But I have to got used to my GF listening to hip-hop on the itunes/ipod though I'm from the wrong generation.

Mick

I agree with you about fake tits. Generally, I don't like any "work" having been done. I think TGs are naturally beautiful. But, many want to look more Western because of all the Luk-kreung stars on TV.

How old are you, anyway?

I'm going to be 55 this year, but love hip-hop. I listen to 50 cent and my favorite local group is Titanium, and of course I'm quite taken with Tata Young on the pop side of things. One positive thing about being a teacher is that you stay on top of everything that's happening.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Mick

I agree with you about fake tits. Generally, I don't like any "work" having been done. I think TGs are naturally beautiful. But, many want to look more Western because of all the Luk-kreung stars on TV.

How old are you, anyway?

I'm going to be 55 this year, but love hip-hop. I listen to 50 cent and my favorite local group is Titanium, and of course I'm quite taken with Tata Young on the pop side of things. One positive thing about being a teacher is that you stay on top of everything that's happening.[/QUOTE]
I'm 50 but fortunately not too many wrinkles and still a full head of hair (I'm too tall for Thais to see the thinning bit caused by bashing my head so many times on the first trip to Thailand :-)) So I pass for 45 fairly easily. Have to keep well shaven as the beard has a lot of white.

I don't mind Tata Young also (for her singing) and the Black Eyed Peas.
I have to learn whats hip through my GF as I work in computing for large organisations with not may youngsters in the work place.
I don't generally go for Luk Khreung stars, generally prefering the real full Thais. However I did find Sonya Khooling (sorry about spelling in English) and Teya Roger to be quite pretty half and halfs in Thai Lakhorn (TV soapies).
However half and halfs seem to be very popular in Thailand. For me a tall nose is just not a necessary attribute.

My GF wanted to do a tit job to be a bit more fuller (like before she had the baby) but I keep insisting that she had the most beautiful breasts of any GF I ever had (and its no bull either even though only a good A cup).

I have found some really good softish and not exaggerated breast jobs to be acceptable. Buts its just not a large percentage. I think saline or reverse lipo-suction are good options. One girl I went with had the lipo-suction from the hips/belly put back in the tits and they were quite impressive.
The drawback, she explained, was that it wouldn't last for ever. Maybe a couple of years or so. Until the next lipo-suction I guess.

BTW, My only excuse for posting so much on the forum these days is a replacement for real mongering. I haven't played up at all since Xmas.
I'm semi-retired from mongering now. I'm restricting it to just occsional very discreet P4P mostly proven performer girls at probably MPs or similar. I do still have some contact numbers but am trying to resist ever calling or encouraging them. If I was mongering a lot I wouldn't have time for these posts.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]
I have very strong predudice against hard silicone tits.[/QUOTE]
A freind of mine who is a nurse at a plastic surgeon's office, told me that women with silicone tits come in for routine maintenance. Their tits needs to be massaged to get them soft and natural.

One time I was in Guadalajara, I saw this fantastic girl at a local strip club. So I asked for a lap dance. Once in the booth I started massaging her tits. It was fascinating to her them "snap, crackle and pop". :D

[QUOTE=1Ball] I currently am juggling 6 or 7 ladies, all non pros, all with regular jobs, 9 AM to 5 PM type of girls. They ask nothing from me,

Why am I looking forward to it? I have no idea, but I am.[/QUOTE]

Are you saying you've given each one of them a credit card again....LOL.


Sorry will miss you in Bkk...i'm jumping to Seoul for 48 hrs next week and hope to make longer trip around lunar new year to SE Asia, including weekend in Jkt (want to go hunting together in the malls?) :D

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Useful insite here.
I prefer my girls au natural with no tatoos, no weird piercings, low jewelery, no tit jobs, no too high nose jobs, etc. However its not the modern way.
I have to recondition myself to the modern ways of younger girls.
I can accept some small tats, belly button jewelery, and a good nose job.
[/QUOTE]

Mick,

I agree. Old school I guess. You did forget to include NO pussy jobs on your great list of No-No's. LOL!

AT2

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]Mick,
I agree. Old school I guess. You did forget to include NO pussy jobs on your great list of No-No's. LOL!
AT2[/QUOTE]
Not much experience with pussy jobs I'm afraid. Is it becomng popular?
Once a girl showed me her new pussy after the lips were trimmed to improve neatness (same time as exaggerated tit job). I didn't fuck her so I am not aware of ever "trying" a pussy job out properly.

I hope you are not refering to lady boys. I am yet to see a lady boy pussy, except from a distance (gogo bar) and some of them look quite strange (and therefore not nice). I would be curious to know if doctors really can make a pussy real enough to fool the customers.
I suspect that what happens is the the LB pretends to be be a girl and starts the blowjob on the guy before she (LB) gets the clothes off. I use the pronoun "she" out of politeness (as is the Thai way). So warning guys. Always inspect the goods carefully before starting anything.

Many years back, once saw a girl whose pussy had no inner lips, not in Thailand but she was asian. I couldn't identify her as a possible lady boy, despite looking for all the tell-tale signs (other than the pussy) and completely nude, but couldn't take the chance that I was wrong. Could be she had been circumcised or could be she was born like that.
Any opinions guys (preferably knowledgable ones) on is it possible for a real girl to have no pussy lips (couldn't find a clit either but could have been tiny perhaps or buried)? BTW the inside of the pussy seemed normal enough to a finger probe. Anyway was too weird for me too actually fuck her. I was sort of freaked out.

Bangkok is still bangin for me. Two days of lay over with colleague, so could avail myself of only a lttle pleasure: Night 1.

After ditching colleague headed to Soi Cowboy. Had great memories of Apache Bar (see post last July). What a dissapointment. No touching no feeling of the dancers. And the dancers were only 4s and 5s. One reasonable cutey came and gave me a reasonable tug through my pants, but she was not really into it and so I left.

Baccara was its usual self, only more Japanese. Hence high prices and lacklustre perfromance. Early in the night the upstairs girls who usually wear school uniforms were out of them. Bit boring really, I prefer the semi naked look, or if totally naked, then rauchy as hell.

Looking a bit sad so went and had a BJ at Afterskool. OK.

Did a crawl of the strip, few beers, a few tugs, a few kisses. Nothing really spectacular. Raw Hide and Long Bar are nude some of the time. And the girls are friendly and ok looking for the most part. One at Long Bar took my fancy, as she was enthusiastically tugging on the old fella, asked for BF info and so on and then realised the time and had to go (6AM start), no time for even ST.

Left really frustrated. So had a quick hand job at one of the places opposite Baccara. It is quick, its fun and it gets you off. Not bad really. She was late 20s, great body and great lingeree for the beginning any way.

All in all a quiet night, but where else can you get all this and a pleasant evening for about the same as a couple of lame lapdances and beers at home?

Wish I had gone to Long Bar earlier.

Next night it was Patpong. I know you guys are down on Patpong, but for me as usual, its a complete blast.

Only had limited time so went to Queens Castle 2 upstairs. As usual swamped by girls. Asked for a bit of Jai yen yen so I could make a better choice, well at least some consideration. Couldn't really get rid of 3 of them though. One kissing me, one jerking me off and one massaging the back of my neck.

While watching and deciding a girl on the stage who was pulling streamers out of her private parts caught my eye. I missed her when she came off the stage, I was preoccupied with getting HJ from two of the girls I was with and the massage. Guess I had my eyes closed kissing or something stupid.

Anyway missed my chance with streamer girl, she was walking away. Times a ticking so I ask one to go and keep the massuese and the more passionate of the HJ performers.

It starts to get interesting when the ladies drinks arrive. I have my fingers in both of them and they are really wet. They have my old boy out and it's a lot of fun. One of them leans back so I can get better access and I have 3 and 4 fingers up her, while the other one is still on the job. Looking around I note streamer girl is back on stage :( and that three blonds with their boyfreinds who came to look at the stage show seem more interested in me and my activities, especially the woman writhing on my hand. They seem interested and then disgusted and then leave. Who cares, I'm having fun.

This goes on for a bit, a few ladies drinks and it's time for ST. Cut a deal for the 2 of them and BF all up (one should really negotiate everything here). Parf of the deal is a bit of lesbian action.

The only problem with this place is the constant demand by the service staff for tips. As I leave Mamasan wants one, each waitress wants one, and I have already tipped the leftovers. Still it's not much money, it's the annoyance of it all.

Off to the room at a nearby ST hotel. Again, it's annoying to have to pay for condoms (normally have my own, but not this time). Of course the alternaive is pretty scarry so I buy 5 (one for luck!)

In the room it's fun. Normal showers, BJ, FS with both separately and together and separately again. Condom changing is a bit of a bummer. The lesbian thing never
really happens, but I'm as happy as a pig in sh*t anyway. On the job with one while the other plays with my balls. Slapping each other playfully, rolling around and so
on. They starting talking dirty and so do I and we are all having a wonderful time calling each other names and egging each other on.

After a while it's starting to wind down so I pull out, whip of the raincoat and ask for COF on the more attracive one and off we go. Great stream right across her face and down her cheek, onto her hair and in her ear. Great sight. The other one aughed and said she wanted some. Too bad I was spent.

Showers, cleaning up, more requests for tips. What is causeing this, it didn't used to be this way. Went back to the hotel a very happy man. All up damage for the night
is again much less than a couple of lapdances at home. I may have to move here.

Can't beat it. And for those you who reckon all Patpong workers are Katoeys, wake up to yourselves.

could not resist another visit to sol. i got there at 9h15 am and 2 ladies were "setting up" the bar. so i let them finish and read my book. in the meantime, some guy walks in and right away takes a girl in the bathroom (as someone said here somwhere, you never lose your girl. only your turn) so i decide to patiently wait.

the guy finishes and leave. i drink and read for a while and it is now about 9: 45. i look around and this girl is walking around the bar with her buttocks bare! wow. and what an ass she has. she senses i look at her and does not waste any time to come over. she reaches for my bulge and i run my fingers between her legs. she is bare ass and i gently caress her bald pussy. she tells my ear she would love to have my dick in her mouth. and you know what? i did not even need to check with my dick to tell he was all happy to hear her say that. let us go to the toilet area.

i undress and so does she (fully), she sits me down and acts like she's going to eat me alive. she deepthroates and sucks and it feels like a charm. (now, i was at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] last night so i know i will take a long time), i tell her after 10 minutes that it might take 1 hour. she looks at me and says "really? "

"yes, take long time today" to which she replies "ok, i can 1 hour, no problem, 1000 baht if you stay 1 hour, ok? " and i agree.

she was good at sucking but after 30mn i was starting to get a little bored. and what do you do when you are bored at sol?

yes, you guessed it. i called a second lady.

the lady that was sucking before was t*k and the new one is n*d. so t*k jumps and puts her wet pussy in my mouth while n*d resumes the sucking.

i am stunned at how tiny t*k's pussy is. how can she get a cock in there? it's already tight for my finger.

n*d undresses and t*k sucks a little then comes back with her pussy in my mouth.

t*k tell n*d something in thai and i ask her what she said. she told me she said she want to suck me when i come. she want to be the one that finish me.

t*k asks me if i will be long still? (it has been already 50 mn) and i ask her why? she says if i want to fuck her?

i tell her that i want her to suck me and she obliged.

i am now having the sight of 2 women expertly working my balls and cock and it takes me no more than 5mn to explode in t*k's mouth.

i am exhausted and when the bill comes: 1480! only!

what a bargain! i hand them 300 each and they are very happy.

i was thinking about giving t*k 500 since she worked more but was not sure if i could tip the girls a different amount.

i know i can tip whatever i want to whomever i want but i want to continue patronizing sol. and want to be fair to the girls.

another 10/10 session at sol.

fyi: this session happened on dec 8. khun t*k has now (unfortunately) retired to be with her farang boyfriend (lucky bastard)

[QUOTE=FarmWorker]Are we able to book Air Asia flights from the States? I need to get from Macau to BKK and they have great flights at about $100 one way. Only problem is that their web site will not allow me to book and buy? Anyone have a solution?[/QUOTE]


I never had this problem before. Go to Airasia website and able to book any of their flights from either Canada or the States. I have done this many times. Sometimes their website goes down for awhile but afterwards, never a problem. Suggest you try again.


PT

Where do I find the girls from East Europe in Bangkok?
I am interested in only really good looking girls.
Also information about top quality modell thaigirls are interesting.

Thanks for answer!

Just keep your eyes open, I saw many in my wanderings around Sukhumvit this month, ran in to a couple of cuties in a 7/11. Not my interest though, I like rice.

[QUOTE=FarmWorker]Are we able to book Air Asia flights from the States? I need to get from Macau to BKK and they have great flights at about $100 one way. Only problem is that their web site will not allow me to book and buy? Anyone have a solution?[/QUOTE]I had the same problem. I just called them and after about 40 minutes of explaining over and over and over again I was able to book a flight. I think. Time will tell.

I think it asks what your country of origin is and then just gives you flights from that country. I think also, it asks for like a province or somethign and then rejects it when you put in your state.

Weird, indeed.

[QUOTE=Nicfrenchy]Could not resist another visit to SOL. I got there at 9h15 am and 2 ladies were "Setting up" the bar. So I let them finish and read my book. In the meantime, some guy walks in and right away takes a girl in the Bathroom (as someone said here somwhere, you never lose your girl. Only your turn) so I decide to Patiently wait.[/QUOTE]Fairly new to Bangkok. Where is SOL?

Thanks

asia.com is a good site but after traveling to BKK from LAX 5 times last year I found that the best prices were, by far, on China Airlines webpage. Anytime you use a generic site such as asia.com, expedia, travelocity, etc. You pay the airfare plus their fee. I found that booking straight through on China Airlines website not only saved me money but also gave more flight options. Try it out. It might work for you.

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]I never had this problem before. Go to Airasia website and able to book any of their flights from either Canada or the States. I have done this many times. Sometimes their website goes down for awhile but afterwards, never a problem. Suggest you try again.

PT[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Burkmere]Fairly new to Bangkok. Where is SOL?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Star of Light (SOL) on Patpong 2:

[b]If you go to Patpong 2 on Suriwonge road[/b]

walk up the narrow covered walkway that runs next to the Patpong 2 soi, on its left.

This will take you about half-way down the soi towards Silom, between bars and restaurants on your left and open beer bars and a few kiosk shops on your right, until it turns back into the proper soi of Patpong 2.

Don't take that turn right, into the soi, because you have just passed Star of Light on your left.

Just look at the red metal table outside with some of the girls usually sitting at it, possibly eating or having a laugh. They'll welcome you and usher you in to heaven.

[b]If you are coming from the Sala Deng BTS / Silom Road end [/b]

walk down Patpong 2, past the luggage cases, past the Barbar (S&M Bar), past the massage parlour and Electric Blue go-go bar, cross the entrance and exit to the car park, keep on walking past Foodland on that side and the pavement / sidewalk takes a turn to the left towards the roadway, after Foodland, to narrow the roadway of the soi and then turns back along the soi.. Keep on walking on that narrow pavement / sidewalk, past a few bars. Then the sidewalk turns to the right of you, to take you down the covered walk-way that runs parallel to the remainder of Patpong 2. At that junction, on your right you will see the Star of Light shining on you. The girls at the table outside will greet you and invite you in to heaven and to the temptations of their fruit.

[QUOTE=Nicfrenchy]Star of Light (SOL) on Patpong 2:

[b]If you go to Patpong 2 on Suriwonge road[/b]

walk up the narrow covered walkway that runs next to the Patpong 2 soi, on its left.

This will take you about half-way down the soi towards Silom, between bars and restaurants on your left and open beer bars and a few kiosk shops on your right, until it turns back into the proper soi of Patpong 2.

Don't take that turn right, into the soi, because you have just passed Star of Light on your left.

Just look at the red metal table outside with some of the girls usually sitting at it, possibly eating or having a laugh. They'll welcome you and usher you in to heaven.

[b]If you are coming from the Sala Deng BTS / Silom Road end [/b]

walk down Patpong 2, past the luggage cases, past the Barbar (S&M Bar), past the massage parlour and Electric Blue go-go bar, cross the entrance and exit to the car park, keep on walking past Foodland on that side and the pavement / sidewalk takes a turn to the left towards the roadway, after Foodland, to narrow the roadway of the soi and then turns back along the soi.. Keep on walking on that narrow pavement / sidewalk, past a few bars. Then the sidewalk turns to the right of you, to take you down the covered walk-way that runs parallel to the remainder of Patpong 2. At that junction, on your right you will see the Star of Light shining on you. The girls at the table outside will greet you and invite you in to heaven and to the temptations of their fruit.[/QUOTE]


Frenchy,

I will be near the Nana Station..can you add a sentence or two to these directions as to which station I depart at and take it from there?

Thanks...

[QUOTE=Khunk]asia.com is a good site but after traveling to BKK from LAX 5 times last year I found that the best prices were, by far, on China Airlines webpage. Anytime you use a generic site such as asia.com, expedia, travelocity, etc. You pay the airfare plus their fee. I found that booking straight through on China Airlines website not only saved me money but also gave more flight options. Try it out. It might work for you.[/QUOTE]I had a buddy who just flew on China Airlines to BKK through Bejing and he tells me of a scam wherein everone just transiting on through was required to go through immigaration in China and pay $100 for a visa. He made a big fuss, being an attorney and refused to pass through customs since he was in transit to BKK. He said the everyonne but he and another Canadian couple next to him went through immigration. He states that after he made a fuss abd requested supervisors that he and the other couple were quickly and quitely taken through immigration outside the presence of other passengers. Have you encountered this? Just thought I'd post for information purposes. He flew out of SFO in December 2006.

[QUOTE=Khunk]asia.com is a good site but after traveling to BKK from LAX 5 times last year I found that the best prices were, by far, on China Airlines webpage. Anytime you use a generic site such as asia.com, expedia, travelocity, etc. You pay the airfare plus their fee. I found that booking straight through on China Airlines website not only saved me money but also gave more flight options. Try it out. It might work for you.[/QUOTE]I guess I misunderstood. I thought you meant Asia Airlines.

Of course, going directly to the specific airline's web page is generally the best way to book.

I use sites like mobissimo, etc. to find the airlines, then go to the airlines to book.

Plucked from Nana Plaza's Playskool. Quoted 600 baht ST, 1500 BT LT, which seemed very reasonable even at the late hour of 1:30 AM. Later she tried to claim that she had said 2000 ST, which was bollocks. I held my ground, just disappointed that an otherwise sweet girl had tried to hustle me, and she gave up without much fuss.

[QUOTE=Dick1]Where do I find the girls from East Europe in Bangkok?
I am interested in only really good looking girls.
Also information about top quality modell thaigirls are interesting.

Thanks for answer![/QUOTE]

If you are interested in pro's try Grace hotel or CM2 disco. There are many russian tourist girls in BK, Pattaya and Phuket, if you have time, patience,....

Has anyone had any problems with a girl being too young? I'll admit I like women with small bodies (probably because I've banged too many fat old hags in the States). I'm just concerned about picking up a girl who is too young and then getting blackmailed or scammed for it. Do these types of scams occur in BKK. Is there anything I need to do (ie chech everyone's ID before getting in bed) in order to guard against this? Or am I just being a little too paranoid. What is the legal age for these activities in Thailand? I'm assuming it's 18 like it is here in the US.

Thanks

Just got back from BKK and Phuket (will post on there on Phuket board).

Well I had a great time!! On the first night, I took newbie friends to nana plaza and as it was 2 days after the NYE bombings it was dead, which meant there were alot of girls to choose from! Sadly, I decided to leave the temptations in order to show my friends the infamous Angels Disco in the nana hotel, so imagine my surprise that it had shut at 2am that night due to the bomb scares! I had to make do with a freelancer around Soi 6 instead.

On my way back from Phuket, i was determined to try Akane Fashion massage which I had read so much about off Soi 33- and once again my luck was out as it was closed on the day I went! Instead I gambled on Teen Love massage (?) on Soi 33 which was quite average. 700 baht and then you do the deal with the girl. She wanted 1500 for FS or 1000 for BJ and HJ. I went for the cheaper option, but was then nearly decapitated when her Buddha necklace snagged on my cock as she went down on me!! Buddha did not condone women going with strangers but said that fellatio was unclean- well she obviously didnt read the scriptures but the incident put me off having a great time!

Thankfully I found time to visit Akane the next day and it was excellent. I was the only farang there as it mainly caters for Japanese and Koreans and I went for the 90 mins, 2 girl service which was great. I recommend Masoki (or something like that) who let me finger and french kiss her as she got to work- then the other girl arrives after 50 mins and they made sure I got 2 pops for my money. It was the best massage parlour experience I have ever had.

Went to the usual beer garden, Soi 6 haunts but ended up getting 2 girls from Gullivers bar who were happy to put on a show for me before letting me service both of them for 1000 baht each. I can't wait to return!

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[QUOTE=Roady1]I'm just concerned about picking up a girl who is too young and then getting blackmailed or scammed for it. Is there anything I need to do (ie chech everyone's ID before getting in bed) in order to guard against this? the legal age : I'm assuming it's 18 like it is here in the US.

Thanks[/QUOTE]


Always best to be sure than to be sorry later.
Legal age is 18 , but since thais are born at age 1, best if gal is 19 on ID.
If she looks too young, always make sure she has ID. If she says dont have then forget it. If you cant read it, then have the hotel desk check for you BEfore you go upstairs.
There was a post earlier on how to read a Thai ID, just have to search back abit.


PT

[quote=roady1]is there anything i need to do (ie chech everyone's id before getting in bed) in order to guard against this?[/quote]roady1,

you must check her id before you even think about paying her barfine... yes, i am sure some of these girls are a little ****, especially sw or nana parking lot.

although the thais love **** girls, this is a very serious offence and if you get caught you can be assured a nice holiday @ the bangkok hilton (prison).

it is wise to always check id, even if the girl look in her 20s, even if she's older, she'll be flattered you think she looks young and will love you for it.

it's your money so you control things, if she tells you she forgot her id @ home, then move on to another girl.

they will ask her for id at your hotel anyway.

hope this helped

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Always best to be sure than to be sorry later.
Legal age is 18 , but since thais are born at age 1, best if gal is 19 on ID.
If she looks too young, always make sure she has ID. If she says dont have then forget it. If you cant read it, then have the hotel desk check for you BEfore you go upstairs.
There was a post earlier on how to read a Thai ID, just have to search back abit.


PT[/QUOTE]

Look for the holigram. A schoogirl haircut could be a clue something isn't right. If the pic doesn't match or if it is a beat up ID, or something doesn't seem right do not take chances. If she wants to bring a friend w/o ID just walk. Major enforcement has been underway because girls will not want to finish school if they can make as much money working the bars as a college professor. Up around Kao San road they make great phony IDs, and I know several Thais with teenage daughters over 6' tall so watch your ass!

[QUOTE=Burkmere]Frenchy,

I will be near the Nana Station..can you add a sentence or two to these directions as to which station I depart at and take it from there?

Thanks...[/QUOTE]

Saladeng BTS station is the station nearest Patpong. You can clearly see the Star of Light midway down Patpong 2 on the map the link to which is below.

[url]http://www.nanadisco.com/Maps/patpong.html[/url]

If you can't find Patpong whilst in Bangkok catch the first plane home, LoL ;D

From Nana BTS to Sala Deng BTS in five easy steps

1/ Walk to Nana BTS

2/ Ask a Member of Staff or look at one of the maps

3/ Buy the ticket

4/ Get on the train

5/ Get off the train

[QUOTE=Fun Times69]Saladeng BTS station is the station nearest Patpong. You can clearly see the Star of Light midway down Patpong 2 on the map the link to which is below.

[url]http://www.nanadisco.com/Maps/patpong.html[/url]

If you can't find Patpong whilst in Bangkok catch the first plane home, LoL ;D

From Nana BTS to Sala Deng BTS in five easy steps

1/ Walk to Nana BTS

2/ Ask a Member of Staff or look at one of the maps

3/ Buy the ticket

4/ Get on the train

5/ Get off the train[/QUOTE]Thanks, great map. I've limited my visits so far in BKK (being a newbie) to just Soi Cowboy and Nana, so I don't have any idea where Patpong its, but this should do the trick. I've take the Skytrain several times to MBK and that area.

[QUOTE=Fun Times69]Saladeng BTS station is the station nearest Patpong. You can clearly see the Star of Light midway down Patpong 2 on the map the link to which is below.

[url]http://www.nanadisco.com/Maps/patpong.html[/url]

If you can't find Patpong whilst in Bangkok catch the first plane home, LoL ;D

From Nana BTS to Sala Deng BTS in five easy steps

1/ Walk to Nana BTS

2/ Ask a Member of Staff or look at one of the maps

3/ Buy the ticket

4/ Get on the train

5/ Get off the train[/QUOTE]
actually there are 2 more steps.

6/ get on another train

7/ get off train.

[QUOTE=1Ball]actually there are 2 more steps.

6/ get on another train

7/ get off train.[/QUOTE]Absolutely!! you need to change Trains @ Siam Station

[QUOTE=Nicfrenchy]Absolutely!! you need to change Trains @ Siam Station[/QUOTE]What?

Can anyone tell me what exactly I have to do?

Hey, I'm not stupid, but folks tend to assume someone who has never been there knows.

Take Skytrain from Nana to Siam stop, then?

[QUOTE=1Ball]actually there are 2 more steps.

6/ get on another train

7/ get off train.[/QUOTE]1Ball, do you want to send him to National Stadium?

6/ get down the stairs
7/ get on another train
8/ get off train.

Tiger, oooops. But hey National stadium is only 1 stop, then the train goes back again, and you have a choice of seats. So, technically speaking.....;)

Now for the hard part. What happens after you get off the train.......

[QUOTE=Burkmere]Thanks, great map. I've limited my visits so far in BKK (being a newbie) to just Soi Cowboy and Nana, so I don't have any idea where Patpong its, but this should do the trick. I've take the Skytrain several times to MBK and that area.[/QUOTE]

Sorry for being sarcastic Burkmere. I know only too well that I ask dumb questions all the time. It takes time to get to know the ropes and I'm far from being the all knowing oracle. I mean, I left out all those other steps! How foolish of me. ;D

Hope you enjoy Star of Light. I certainly found it worth the journey.

;D

9/ take the exit that would be (as the driver sees in front and to the right) there's an Irish pub just at the bottom of the stairs

10/ carry on straight and turn right into Patpong 2

11/ follow directions on map

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Always best to be sure than to be sorry later.
Legal age is 18 , but since thais are born at age 1, best if gal is 19 on ID.
If she looks too young, always make sure she has ID. If she says dont have then forget it. If you cant read it, then have the hotel desk check for you BEfore you go upstairs.
There was a post earlier on how to read a Thai ID, just have to search back abit.
PT[/QUOTE]
Quoting from Wikipedia: "East Asian age reckoning is a concept used in East Asian countries originating in China. Several East Asian cultures, such as Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and Vietnamese, share a traditional way of counting a person's age. Newborns start at one year old, and each passing of a New Year, rather than the birthday, adds one year to the person's age. This system is still widely used in China and is used officially in Korea. However, its use is less common in other countries."

I have not come accross Thais using this special age procedure (some Chinese in Thailand might).

So a Thais age is worked out normally (they will turn 1 year old 1 year after birth).
Subtract 543 from the Thai Year (Phutthasakharart - the buddhist era) to get the western year number, not 943 (as in Buledaddy's post).

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Always best to be sure than to be sorry later.
Legal age is 18 , but since thais are born at age 1, best if gal is 19 on ID.
If she looks too young, always make sure she has ID. If she says dont have then forget it. If you cant read it, then have the hotel desk check for you BEfore you go upstairs.
There was a post earlier on how to read a Thai ID, just have to search back abit.


PT[/QUOTE]I don't quite get this. As to my knowledge the IDs show the birthdate rather than the age, so do your maths. Unless the ID is fake. But then you wouldn't know the age anyway.

Is there a standard rate for anal in Bangkok? I know a lot of women won't even consider it and if it's something that I really want I know I should probably ask the girl about it first before going upstairs. Is it typical for the girl to ask for an extra 500, 1000, or what ever for this service? Or is it more likely that if she's willing to do anal at all then she'll do it for the same price as full service?

Secondly, if I find a girl and things go REALLY well and we just seem to hit it off and somehow anal just happens should I expect her to hit me up for an extra ??? Baht for the anal. Or do I stand my ground and pay her only the full service rate we agreed to and put it back on her that she should have either negotiated that orifice before hand or stopped me when I made a move for that hole.

I know if the service is good, I'll tip a little extra anyway but is there a typical tip or rate that I should expect to pay for that type of thing.

Thanks for answering all these Greenhorn questions.

Hah, you'll be lucky to find anything under 25 in Bangkok these days, just to warn you.

[QUOTE=Tiger 1]I don't quite get this. As to my knowledge the IDs show the birthdate rather than the age, so do your maths. Unless the ID is fake. But then you wouldn't know the age anyway.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I was assuming everyone knows most official ID's (including mine and yours) shows only DOB and must do some simple math to derive the age. I sometimes have a difficult time doing simple math after a few beers and I'm staring at a pretty face and nice boobs, so carrying a pocket calculator for me is a must.

As with the age 19 rule, its just a suggestion. I usually follow this rule when I'm in any Asian country (LOS included) so I dont have to remember all them details. Note that I normally play it safer than to be sorry later.

Cheers


PT

[QUOTE=Redfield10]What?

Can anyone tell me what exactly I have to do?

Hey, I'm not stupid, but folks tend to assume someone who has never been there knows.

Take Skytrain from Nana to Siam stop, then?[/QUOTE]
You might wish to check a BTS map - there are plenty of them on the internet. Also, the signs in the stations are all in English as well as Thai.

[url]http://www.bts.co.th/en/map.asp[/url]
[url]http://www.bangkok-maps.com/frameme.php?page=bts.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=Roady1]Is there a standard rate for anal in Bangkok?[/QUOTE]

You are much more likely to find anal for the same price as regular sex but with older women or the occasional second or third rate younger girl. As a general rule it is a skill learned to make up for unmarketability rather than one adopted by pretty girls to make more money, though there are rare exceptions.

Fact sheet: I can confirm Suzie Wong's good reputation on Cowboy for the quality of girls, variety of clothes which display the girl nudity in a quite fashionable manner, and the excellence of the various shows (lesbians, oily girls.). The con’s are the price of the drinks (140 Thb), and the constant stream of dinosaur rock.

But any newbie going there must be prepared for the X-factor: I am talking about the 150 kilos (330 lbs) waitress who will rush to sit next to you, and put her greasy hands on your groin. She obviously took pleasure in my slight discomfort, but overwhelmed by her presence I decided to play cool and give her a massage, which she appreciated. While dripping, she went out to bring a deliciously cute girl, perfect English-speaking. To my buddy Too Jaded who sat next to me. As for me, my prize was a free short drink of whisky, and a personal strip-tease by the hippopotamus. When left alone, I eyed a cutie on the stage and invited her for a drink. Her English being inexistent, I try a few Thai words, and a nice, gentle flirt and touch. She seems receptive, and I questioned her about a bar-fine, to which she cold-showered me with a "bar-fine, but not boum boum – go eat". In the world of Cowboy depravity, I had found the one cherry-girl (whatever the reason of it).

Too bad, because in the meantime I had made some eye contact with the lesbian show girl who seemed quite high on a cocktail of illegal drugs, and passed by me about 10 times pulling her tongue, like a kid chiding her baby-sitter. She also made some posture of monkey submission (like the baboons showing her hemorrhoids to the dominant male). But she disappeared on her flip flops before I understood the dead-end with my little girl.

The night being late, and having drunk too much, I decided to take some rest for my next working day as I was clearly not in luck. But defeat is not a sweet taste, so I shall be back tonight and if I am in suicidal mood, I shall try the ape threesome, but I shall never be so desperate to fall into the hippopotamus claws. To be continued (for better or worse. .)

[QUOTE=Daddy07]It's great to hear from you! Your first posts were largely responsible for me joining this board and deciding to come to LOS to see things for myself. I was wondering what happened to you.[/quote]

Hey Dad,

Oh such flattery! But thanks, it helps smooth out all the dents and crinkles from my many crashes. It also cools off the burning sensation of my lingering road rash. :)

Probably the first thing I think of after recalling my earlier posts is "What a child I was", the key word being "was".

Well Sir, a lot of things have happened to me to be sure, but that is probably better stated as, "me happening to myself", because my life long characteristic or trait is that I am my own worst enemy when I am not being my best ally.

One surprising thing (to me) about living in Bangkok is that life here is the same as life anywhere in the world after enough time passes. I don't think everyone will agree with me on that, but that is how I've viewed my existence on this planet for as long as I can remember. The t-shirt that reads, "same same but different" would be more correct if it read, "same same no difference."

The thing that is probably most surprising to me is that I have never seen anything during my life in Bangkok that I haven't already seen during my previous life in America. Maybe (most probably) my normal lifestyle or existence has not been confined within the boundaries of the "normal" or "bell shaped" curve. That's a bit of an exaggeration, but it isn't far from the truth.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Obviously, you still like it there and have assimilated the language and culture. I envy your courage and your guts after so many told you that you'd crash and burn. Well, I suppose you did crash a few times but you didn't burn.[/quote]

I have set myself on fire once or twice after having delusions of monk-hood, but I always seem to save myself with a quick shower before any major scar tissue develops.

That said, I ran across something funny and/or interesting on the internet about a month ago. It was an article stating that the average farang lasts about three years in the land of smiles before returning home with his tail between his legs. In a mere five days I will have lived in Bangkok for three years and I am not shy to say I am considering the idea of returning home as well. I won't say that my tail will be between my legs, but that does not change the main point. I am contemplating my return.

I've got several reasons. Well . . . I've got two for sure:

1) I like the idea of landing a lucrative computer contract. It's a good idea and highly probable because my talents are in the mainframe world and that labor pool is rapidly shrinking. I was fortunate to be born between the baby boomers and generation X. The demographics of retiring boomers is an opportunity for me because the mainframe is and was the computer of the boomer generation and I am just 44 years old. Maybe the Thai style has rubbed off on me more than I realize. Show me the money! :)

2) My dad's girlfriend of 25 years has colon cancer and will have surgery in February. If she passes away soon, I am very (VERY) afraid my father won't be far behind. Did you ever read, "where the red fern grows"? This is a sad thing for me to say, but it's true nonetheless. I may not have much time left with my Dad and I still don't know him as well I want to know him.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]I just have one important question for you. What were them nasty crude Isaan bitches saying about you that caused your epiphany?[/QUOTE]

I honestly don't remember, but I do recall one time I overheard them nasty crudies talking with a Japanese (American) man. He didn't understand a word and was laughing because he thought they were being cute. And indeed, they were quite cute when they looked at him and said, "He's perfect! Two inches, two minutes, two thousand Baht!"

I asked him if he understood what they said and he shrugged, "No."

I told him not to worry about it because sometimes it's better when you don't know. :)

Now . . .

As far as the crude and rude Isaan gal I was referrin' to in my last post, I have a hankerin' that there be many thinkin' I was criticizing or talking bad about her. That would be a long way from the truth. While it's true she might be rude and crude, she is a big sweetheart and I am 100% positive she loves me more than any woman in Thailand has ever loved me and possibly more than any woman in this world.

That said, she is also a Yaba junky and quite impossible to live with on a long term basis. But one thing is for certain, she will always be a memory that makes my heart smile. And when I am on my death bed she will be first in line when choosing my last memories of this life.

best regards,
poster . . .

[QUOTE=SexWithSmile] While dripping, she went out to bring a deliciously cute girl, perfect English-speaking. To my buddy Too Jaded who sat next to me. As for me, my prize was a free short drink of whisky, and a personal strip-tease by the hippopotamus. [/QUOTE]

SWS,

Sorry that things turned out poorly bro, I wanted it to be a better night for you. It was rather hilarious seeing the hippo fondle you and pull out her tittie for me to grab. I wanted to get her hot for you so you could take her back and do a X-factor jelly roll!!! LOL!!! The other TG you were chatting was very shaggable too, I was frustrated for you when she bailed.

I think a 3-some shag with the baboon and whatever muff she is currently licking may be worthwhile. She is clearly crazy, and seems to be a hypnotic power fuck. But she clearly has a drug problem, so be careful!

As for me, I took Jiab back for a swim in the jacuzzi, but the hot water breaker tripped, so the water was cold!!!! We still sat in the tub though where I bathed her (I love role reversal) and got her all nipply and slicked up.

Took her into the bedroom for some all over body kissing. She has a very nice and tight cock-holster and tasted like strawberry wine. Beautiful smile, great attitude, and eager to please, but the performance was only so-so as she is a bit inexperienced. But she was concerned with my pleasure, and was willing to stroke herself and let me lick her fingers to get me fired up again, and then later we had a pleasant morning.

We need to go out again soon, I owe you an LT on my dime, brother.

All in all, Suzie Wong's is a lot of fun, but when the farang crowd is thin the mamasan harassment factor went up. Every snaggletoothed retiree came out wanting us to buy drinks and within 5 minutes they were pressing us to barfine. We stood our ground and let them know that we did not just fall off the turnip truck, so things went by OUR schedule, but we were still nice.

As always brothers, be polite but be firm, and make the ladies laugh. Attitude counts.

- 2J

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]My main problem with P4P girls is not exactly "rude&crude" but rather that they don't seem to realise our desire for discreetness and don't seem to care what people think they are.

If we are getting into generalisations, then sex Mongers in Bangkok, are rude and crude and not very attractive, except for me of course! :-)
I see girls trying to find a good guy but being accosted by really ugly guys who just do not know how to talk to a girl nicely.

Now some writers on the forum .... (just kidding).[/QUOTE]

Kidding or not, the point is well taken. :)

There are times I have been rude and crude beyond the call of duty. In fact, I just had an episode in my life that smacks of that very essence. That will have to be a future story though, because I am still digesting the cause and affect it has had and will have on my life.

Oh wow . . . See what happens? Poster is becoming overly reflective again. :)

I know it's somewhere on the forum , but that was long time ago..

In between action, like anyone, I need to rest and I recall mention of a few places where 2 or 3 girls take care of you at every level (almost...) i.e hair, nails, foot, head, neck massage etc.. If someone has the address handy, please let me have it.. I am just in BKK for 2 days, and will go to the infamous Eden Club, ( yes, I know some of you will have only contempt for this, but, I have been there before and got what I wanted..) and will need rest before hitting again the bars thereafter....

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Roady1]Is there a standard rate for anal in Bangkok? [/QUOTE]

There's no standard rate for anything in Bangkok P4P. Prices for any service vary from lady to lady and the same lady may quote different prices to different punters, or even different prices to the same punter, depending on what time of day he approaches her. The guys who talk about a standard price are really referring to the rate they usually pay and find reasonable.

Butt to cut through the crap, I'll try to answer your questions about anal sex straight up. Ass fucking certainly isn't unknown in Thailand, but it's not that prevalent. Of course you can ask the BGs, FLers and other providers you meet one-by-one (you won't offend them, they've heard all before), but that's likely to be time-consuming and not very successful in the end. A few practical suggestions:

1) Have a word with the mama- or papasan in the bar, MP, etc about which girls take it up the butt. Usually every establishment has one or two ladies who do anal. They may not be the best lookers, but they'll at least be willing.

2) If you find a lady to whom you're attracted, BF her or whatever, then try to convince her to do anal once she's seen you're not hung like King Kong. Many ladies who won't admit up front they ass fuck will do so with the right guy. Just be prepared to accept a "no" to your proposal.

3) Should you be determined to find an analist with a minimum of analysis, the Eden Club in BKK (and the Hell Club in Pattaya) is the only surefire route. The ladies on the left side of the line all do anal. No need to ask, just point and in a few minutes you will, in the spirit of the early explorers of African rivers, be heading up the Ompopo. There's no extra charge for anal at Eden/Hell.

Good luck and bottoms up!

Evil

[QUOTE=Dreams]I am just in BKK for 2 days, and will go to the infamous Eden Club, ( yes, I know some of you will have only contempt for this, but, I have been there before and got what I wanted..) ...
[/QUOTE]

Dreams- I can't help you with a specific recommendation, but I believe the "many hands-on" treatment you're referring to is available at numerous salongs all over BKK. Just drop into one and ask.

But about the Eden Club: don't worry about what anyone else thinks. I've had 80-some sessions (all but two ahve been take-away) involving 25 different Eden ladies. They are without question the most memorable P4P adventures I've ever had. Usually the guys who bad mouth Eden know nothing about the club or they have a grudge against Marc, the manager/part owner. You, I and thousands more have found Eden to be a great expereince.

Evil

I have no grudge against the owner or the bar Eden.

Its just that I have been inside there over 8 eight times in the last 10 yrs and have never even seen one girl who I would consider above a 6. Most of my friends who live out here in Asia also agree.

Their service might be incredible and fantastic, I don't deny that. I'd rather comb through the disco's and find a stunner who is also a nymptho in the sack and I usually do.

Just curious. How do you rate the average Eden girl on 1-10?

[quote=dreams]
in between action, like anyone, i need to rest and i recall mention of a few places where 2 or 3 girls take care of you at every level (almost...) i.e hair, nails, foot, head, neck massage etc.. if someone has the address handy, please let me have it.. i am just in bkk for 2 days, and will go to the infamous eden club, ( yes, i know some of you will have only contempt for this, but, i have been there before and got what i wanted..) and will need rest before hitting again the bars thereafter....

thanks.[/quote]

dreams,

almost all of the barbershop/massage combo places fits your description. friends is one of them, but there are probably hundreds of them rep001tered on every block. i got a hair cut, head/neck massage, foot massage and oil massage with a hj at friends. there are many other places just like it. if it's a barbershop and also has oil massage on it's list of services, you are probably at the right place.

while eden club does have a few detractors, most of us realize why it's still going strong. the girls do provide great service.

have fun!
at2

[QUOTE=PosterLion]
One surprising thing (to me) about living in Bangkok is that life here is the same as life anywhere in the world after enough time passes. I don't think everyone will agree with me on that, but that is how I've viewed my existence on this planet for as long as I can remember. The t-shirt that reads, "same same but different" would be more correct if it read, "same same no difference."

2) My dad's girlfriend of 25 years has colon cancer and will have surgery in February. If she passes away soon, I am very (VERY) afraid my father won't be far behind. Did you ever read, "where the red fern grows"? This is a sad thing for me to say, but it's true nonetheless. I may not have much time left with my Dad and I still don't know him as well I want to know him.

best regards,
poster . . .[/QUOTE]

PosterLion,

Nice post. I definitely agree with you that cities/countries around the world are more alike than different. Cultural differences add a little different spice to life, but the main course is the same.

I do think it's time for you to go home. Life is short. You can always take a quick trip back to BKK, if you need a quick fix.

Good luck with your decision.

AT2

Thanks,Evil and AT2.

Just got back form Eden..
Went just as it opens. QUite a big number of girls, and also already 3-4 chaps..

Since I speak French, I quickly asked the papa-san, a Frenchman called Bruce, who I should choose. After I briefly told him what I wanted, he pointed me to one girl on the left side; she choosed her mate on the other.I moved fast, otherwise the other guys would have mnade the move before me.. Strange to feel like in a race...
To be fair, everything written by both those who hate and those who love Eden is correct. My girls were far from beauties.. but how much fun they give! I got the whole programm as advertised, and all that in a very good spirit..

Will now go to a barber shop. Don't know where Friends is, but I guess any other wil do. Hopefull back to strength for tonight.

LOL

[QUOTE=SexWithSmile]<cut>
As for me, my prize was a free short drink of whisky, and a personal strip-tease by the hippopotamus. When left alone, I eyed a cutie on the stage and invited her for a drink. Her English being inexistent, I try a few Thai words, and a nice, gentle flirt and touch. She seems receptive, and I questioned her about a bar-fine, to which she cold-showered me with a "bar-fine, but not boum boum – go eat". In the world of Cowboy depravity, I had found the one cherry-girl (whatever the reason of it).
<cut>
[/QUOTE]
You were a little unlucky. You probably chose a girl having her period or a bruised/infected uterus, who would therefore not make herself available. In these situations just try to find someone else you like.

Don't buy girls a drink or in any way play with them unless you want to encourage them. Otherwise you will find it hard to get rid of them, and they will make a bee-line for you next time. However O.K. to shout a drink for a waitress once you have got the girl you really want sitting with you already.
I don't accept impromptu massages or any type of play from girls unless I really like them or really want to play.

[QUOTE=PosterLion]<cut>
One surprising thing (to me) about living in Bangkok is that life here is the same as life anywhere in the world after enough time passes. I don't think everyone will agree with me on that, but that is how I've viewed my existence on this planet for as long as I can remember. The t-shirt that reads, "same same but different" would be more correct if it read, "same same no difference."
<cut>
best regards,
poster . . .[/QUOTE]
I am a little suprised to here that essentially its the same as any other place in the world. True we are living in amongst so-called humans everywhere and we all eat, sleep, shit and fuck, but on the other hand there are many suprises waiting for the Newbie in Thailand I feel.

My first trip to Thailand (with ex-wife) stunned me.
Phuket: Street of a thousand bars, ladyboys everywhere, ugly old men with gorgeous yong scantilly clad chicks (or LBs) on their arms.
My first bath and massage by a totally nude girl.

2nd trip (with a mate): I could only speak Thai a little.
Patpong ugly shows upstairs.
Another bar walked upstairs to find a guy drinking, fully dressed sitting opposite a plump fully nude girl who was reclined back while his fingers were playing well up inside her pussy. Then being swamped by girls trying to get my zipper down and cock out for sucking.
In Phuket picked up a girl from a bar and ended up spending nearly a week with her. She would teach me Thai and I teach her English.
My first body slide massage.

Not being able to get a cup of coffee with normal milk in most places (years ago most places had sweetened condensed milk only). Realising that you couldn't get a good hambuger and best to stick to Thai food. OK this has changed now too. Are there any decent French Restaurants? I have found one good Japanese inside Tokyo at MBK.

Many experiences that were totally ordinary for Thailand but were not things that would happen in my home country, where the girls my own age are often too bossy, too fat, don't look after you, etc.

Of course after years, it will be like living back home, but much cheaper if you get a regular girlfriend and don't spend crazy-like. Of course you could be in Tanzania and live far cheaper than Thailand, but most of us want a resonable standard of living.
My ideal is to work in the most expensive countries like the UK for example, and spend leasure time in a cheaper country like Thailand. Of course if you can get a very well paid job in Thailand, this would be great.

Poster Lion:

Please do some research into afterlife, near-death experiences, and reincarnation, if you are a new to this field, try to start reading some books by a few very respected top medical professionals and reaserchers, who will prove to you our "consciusness" do survive after death and it will be attracted and returned by the vibrational force from a much different demensional existance upon our physical 3rd demensional death of the coarse body, researches from very un-biased medical points of views, convincing even for the most hard head debunkers.

I really reccommend some reading by these following top medical researchers in these field if you are not familiar to this realm, it will change your whole view on our multi-demensional universe, and also find a purpose for each incarnation.

Dr. Ian Stevenson
Dr. Brain Wiess
Dr. Raymond Moody
Dr. Michael Newton
Dr. Elizebeth Kubler-Ross
Dr. Kenneth Ring

Also some of the many notables and worth readings by

Edgar Cayce
Carol Bowman
P.M.H. Atwater
Bill Guggenheim
Dannion Brinkley

the above will be sufficient to give you a general ideas about our endless existance on this physical realm. You can get their publications almost in all big book stores.


I started to questions about our universe and our existance when I was still a little kid, and I don't take pure belief as aswers, I started to read extensively about this subjects by these top medical researchers and notables since my teens, and slowly I understand the reality of our existance from these medical researchers, and slowly expanded my own reading to our universe, demensions, quantum physics, the true origin of earthlings, the super cuvilizations in the universe, i can tell you that all the stuff we learn from school are all bunch of manipulations, they will not teach us the truth of our universe because they would not want their social religious economic systems to collapse overnight. But the truth is still out there, but totally repressed.

If you start to get an understanding of our physical and astral exiatnce, you will feel better and more prepared in facing death of a loved one. because you will know what is "death", and what is "living".

Going out for a quiet drink takes on a whole new meaning when its with a couple of Thai bargirls. Hit Q bar. Underwhelming and over rated compared to the Establishment in Sydney- my mate and two BGs got a little messy

(Screw being cool! )

Ended up partying with several hundred pulsating, drunk Thai teenagers some-bloody-where called the Big " see ". Awesome thai rock band too. Not a farrang in sight and lots of direct gazing pooying.

Screwed myself silly back at her place.they appreciate it if you have a go at dancing-probably good in the FACE department- crawled back into my hotel room and slept till three in the arvo.

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Are there any decent French Restaurants? I have found one good Japanese inside Tokyo at MBK....

...Of course after years, it will be like living back home, but much cheaper if you get a regular girlfriend and don't spend crazy-like. Of course you could be in Tanzania and live far cheaper than Thailand, but most of us want a resonable standard of living.
My ideal is to work in the most expensive countries like the UK for example, and spend leasure time in a cheaper country like Thailand. Of course if you can get a very well paid job in Thailand, this would be great.[/QUOTE]

I thought you were a bit of a veteran and knew BKK well. There are loads of good International restaurants of all kinds, including French. There are much better Japanese restaurants (and cheaper too) than at Tokyu (not Tokyo) at MBK, in the Japanese sois starting at Sukhumvit soi 33/1 and going as far as Thong Lor.

While I don't agree with Poster that living here is the same as living anywhere (and I've been here a lot longer than he has), I do agree that one gets into a routine as one does anywhere and it becomes "home" and conversely home becomes strange and foreign (I'm not comfortable in Canada anymore).

What's different? It's much cheaper, of course, but can be expensive if you want to live like a Westerner. I think the lifestyle is generally better and there's less stress, if you're adaptable. Although if you work here, there's certainly still stress and pressure. However, one has to be realistic about the infrastructure. Bangkok is not Vancouver, for instance. But, it doesn't have the crime and decay of many American cities, either. It's one of the few places where an old geezer can continually get young women (not necessarily P4P) and as well, not look particularily embarassing with a young thing on his arm (as long is she's not too obviously a Ho).

High paying jobs? - well generally few and far between unless you work for a multi-national, you're a lawyer for one of the handful of Farang law firms, or you're a professor who can get into one of the very few universities (like where I work) that pay Farang, Western-level salaries.

I think the ideal for most is to do what you proposed: make a lot of money somewhere else and spend your leisure time here.

Mick,

You can find Good Japanese restaurants everywhere, but it all depends on your taste. I haven't found one yet that was good on all counts (Sushi, Teppanyaki, ShabuShabu) they all have their specialty.

as far as French restaurants are concerned, the ones you have in the tourist guides are overrated and overly expensive. I usually go to "Chez Philippe" on soi 39 and the Food is the same as if you were sitting in a cafe in PAris (where I have been living most of my life).

[QUOTE=SexWithSmile]The night being late, and having drunk too much, I decided to take some rest for my next working day as I was clearly not in luck. [/QUOTE]Oh come on. LOL

All you needed to do was walk to the bar next door (Jungle Jim or Moonshine Joint) and they would have given you a nice release (Handjob) for the price of 2 ladies Drink! ;)

[QUOTE=RCA Knight]

Please do some research into afterlife, near-death experiences, and reincarnation, if you are a new to this field, try to start reading some books by a few very respected top medical professionals and reaserchers, who will prove to you our "consciusness" do survive after death and it will be attracted and returned by the vibrational force from a much different demensional existance upon our physical 3rd demensional death of the coarse body, researches from very un-biased medical points of views, convincing even for the most hard head debunkers.

[/QUOTE]Mai jing

Daddy

[QUOTE=PosterLion] ... I ran across something funny and/or interesting on the internet about a month ago. It was an article stating that the average farang lasts about three years in the land of smiles before returning home with his tail between his legs.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I’m not surprised by that statistic. I think that OTH and others are probably right advising most of us faraing to visit LOS often, but don’t live there. That way we can appreciate the place much more when we are there.

[QUOTE=] In a mere five days I will have lived in Bangkok for three years and I am not shy to say I am considering the idea of returning home as well. I won't say that my tail will be between my legs, but that does not change the main point. I am contemplating my return. [/QUOTE]I’m truly sad to hear that, Poster, but understand it completely. Why not come home for a while, make a ton of money fixing mainframes, bond with your old man while you can, and let the fat American sweat hogs here remind you of how wonderful the women are in paradise? You can always scurry back to Thailand after Hillary Clinton is elected president, right? (That’s when I’ll be taking leave from here myself.) I think that in your case especially, this time tested axiom clearly applies: You can take the man out of LOS, but you can’t take LOS out of the man.

[QUOTE=] ... I do recall one time I overheard them nasty crudies talking with a Japanese (American) man. He didn't understand a word and was laughing because he thought they were being cute. And indeed, they were quite cute when they looked at him and said, "He's perfect! Two inches, two minutes, two thousand Baht!" [/QUOTE]LOL! Oh, those crude, nasty Issan bitches – Ya gotta love ‘em. I sure do! They’re young, pretty, smart, comical, fun to be with, and know how to please a man. And, in that case, they sure knew how to size up Mr. farang.

All the best to you,

Daddy

[QUOTE=Dreams]
Will now go to a barber shop. Don't know where Friends is, but I guess any other wil do. Hopefull back to strength for tonight.

LOL[/QUOTE]

Dreams,

Friends is about a block or two away from NEP between Soi 4 and Soi 6, on Sukhumvit. I think it's a chain, since I saw one or two more elsewhere. I think any of those places will do the job, and there are many near the NEP area.

AT2

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Are there any decent French Restaurants?[/QUOTE]

Having teh privilege of living in Paris, the last place I want to dine at while in BKK is a French restaurant.

However, I would recommend Le Café de Paris, Patpong 2, or for this soooo upscale delight, Le Normandie, at the Oriental.

My flight gets in around midnight and since most of the places will be closed by the time I get into the city, I was wondering where I might find more of the fair skinned, large breasted northern Thai women at that time of the night? In other words, are there places that girls from Poseidon or other such massage places go to after the MP closes for the night?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Sad Sam]My flight gets in around midnight and since most of the places will be closed by the time I get into the city, I was wondering where I might find more of the fair skinned, large breasted northern Thai women at that time of the night? In other words, are there places that girls from Poseidon or other such massage places go to after the MP closes for the night?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

It's hard enough to find a lot of large breasted women let alone after 2am but you might try Siam Hotel in Petchaburi. There are usually a lot of fair skinned women there vs. more dark skinned women around nana. Most Poseidon or MP girls go to Huay Kwang to eat and shop after they get off of work but most aren't looking for customers.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]You can take the man out of LOS, but you can’t take LOS out of the man.Daddy[/QUOTE]

I saw a poster in the toilet at Emporium that showed a Farang at the doctor's office with a thermometer in his mouth and a tagline something like, "There's No Cure for Thailanditis." I think this is very true.

In 2004 I got the bright idea that maybe it was time to head back west after being here nearly 8 years. I quit my job, and gave all my stuff to my then-GF's family. I'd been offered a job teaching at Cornell. But, as tempting as it was, both in terms of salary and status, the thought of languishing (there's no other word for it) in f-ing Ithaca, New York through your average white-out, freezing upstate New York winter was more than I could fathom. So, I compromised and went for a teaching job in The Bahamas, which paid less, but was tax-free, and thinking I was merely trading one paradise for another. The Bahamas is a pleasant enough place with excellent weather (except for the 2 hurricanes I went through) and beautiful beaches. But, it's just a satellite of the US, as Florida is a heartbeat away and American culture booms out from every nook and cranny. And, the women are fat, ugly as shit and always in your face. However, Cuba was only about 1 hour away by plane. So, at least I had the pleasure of lovely Cuban women for mongering. But, I don't really like mongering and quite simply, I missed regular Thai women, especially all the sweet, enchanting and sexy students I had left behind.

Also, many other aspects of the life I had enjoyed in Thailand were just not there. I watched American TV a lot, went home to Canada a couple of times, put on an incredible amount of weight because of the change in diet from Thai food to the much inferior western food, and worked for a miserable College with haughty, arrogant Bahamians who treated foreigners far, far worse than Thais ever do. Above all, I could not get over how moody and aggressive and down-right nasty everyone was, especially in the States. For example: Whatever happened to the calm, reasoned journalism of Walter Cronkite, Tom Brokaw and Peter Jennings? Now you have the shrill, bullying punks epitomized by Bill O'Reilly on the male side and on the female side, that **** of cunts (there's no other word for her) Anne Coulter. These two are symptomatic of what is wrong with America.

So, despite the obvious conveniences of Western civilization compared to the sometimes challenging aspects of living in LOS, I began to wither and die there. My health deteriorated in the face of a healthcare system that didn't seem to care, at a cost that seemed staggeringly high compared to the cheap and privileged care Farang get in Thailand.

It dawned on me very quickly that I simply didn't belong in the West, anymore. So, after suffering through 9 months of my 2-year contract, I did a runner back to LOS.

Although, there are times I'm really sick of it here and contemplate another shot at going home, I force myself to remember every moment of that 9 months to shake myself out of such thoughts. There are, afterall many more positives than negatives living here. So, realizing all of this, I finally went home to Canada last summer and got rid of all my stuff, which I had "temporarily" stored in my mother's basement in 1996 while I went on my 6-month sabbatical to Asia. The 6 months turned into 10 years.

So, while I do plan to take a standing offer in Dubai in a few years to make some quick cash, because at least Dubai is within striking distance of Thailand, I plan on retiring here.

There's no place quite like it on earth.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]So, while I do plan to take a standing offer in Dubai in a few years to make some quick cash, because at least Dubai is within striking distance of Thailand, I plan on retiring here.[/QUOTE]OTH,

Very nicely written comments and very true! once you have sampled life in LOS (as an expat) is it quite difficult to re-adapt to western lifestyle.

However, I believe that if one wants to make some Cash, Thailand IS the place where you could make it. In fact, I would pick Thailand over Dubai.

While Salaries are quite Similar (when converted to US$), Cost of Living in LOS is far Cheaper than UAE... by far.

Since I am in Thailand (2 years now) I am saving money like never before, except for Rent and Mongering, I have no expenses :)

"Now you have the shrill, bullying punks epitomized by Bill O'Reilly on the male side and on the female side, that **** of cunts (there's no other word for her) Anne Coulter. These two are symptomatic of what is wrong with America."

You call for moderation but you yourself are heavily biased even if its unintentional.

Since when is Ann Coulter an anchor person? Why didn't you balance it out by including Rosie O'Donnell or Michael Moore who are equally as bad as the 2 you mentioned.

website : [url]http://www.lolitasbangkok.com/[/url]

i was in [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] monday night (dec 2006) and it was a total disaster... was too late to make it to sol unfortunately.

i walked down soi 8 and there were about 10 ladies sitting outside. recognized a lady that serviced me before and she wasted no time to jump up her seat and hug me (as if we were long time acquaintances).

i could take her but i wanted to try a new girl.

i gently told her that today i wanted to try a new lady, even asked her to suggest one, but she said that she wanted to blow me herself (how surprising? lol)

when i faced them all to make my choice, some were smiling, some grinning, some were not even paying attention and playing with their mobile phones.

chose a lady that was all smiley and up we went.

she had a nice ass and figure.

**short report**

(for the ones that find reports boring)

entered the place, she cleaned my dick, sucked it badly, i was not happy and left

**long report**

we went up and she chose the couch. i objected and told her i wanted another couch, well, she told me that she did not like to service on that particular couch. i was ready to send her packing with a big foot up the ass but thought better of it (maybe she was harrassed on that couch earlier in the evening, or she saw a ghost? i lost hope of trying to understand thai logic).

we go to the couch of her choice and she smiles at me, she sits beside me and starts kissing my neck (this is new. and unexpected.), she finally unzips my pants and starts to stroke me a little, it feels good (and different from what i was expecting.). i was thinking that i was most probably her last customer for that night and she was putting in extra "elbow grease" in an effort for me to take her home afterwards for more fun? well, let's wait and see.

routine comes back, she cleans me and starts sucking. either my dick is too big or her mouth too small. i think this is neither. she's just lazy.

she just sucks the head and looks very uninterested, she is not very good at her job that's for sure. i can understand that this kind of job is not easy, that the girls probably hate it, but damn, if you're going to suck dick for a living, do it with a little enthousiasm. i was always taught that in the "service" industry (no matter what service is offered) the provider is supposed to make the customer feel good? (happy, satisfied, content, pleased, fulfilled.)

and more bad sucking ensue, but this time she is sqeezing the base of my dick (like a person looking to extirp the last drop of toothpaste out of the tube). i am a little irritated and ask her what she is doing? "you don't like? ". "hell no, go slow and gently please? "

she nods and does it for as little as 2 minutes before moving on to the next trick. she grabs the base of my penis and starts to shake it left and right in her mouth, hitting both her upper and lower set of teeth at every turn.

i stopped the whole thing and started to get dressed. she was surprised but did not even attempt to stop me. she asked me if i wanted to finish at my hotel and i could see her naked. hahahahaha i laughed loudly, gave her 700 thb and told her that she will get her tip when she will give good service.

well, she was a total train wreck. one of the worst bjs i've ever had.

[size=-2][b][u]editor's note[/u]:[/b] [blue]i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]click here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size]

Interesting post OTH. As you know many of us here dream about saying puck it and moving to LOS. I hope you post your thoughts on Dubai when and if you go there.

The girl in the pic is absolutely stunning.

[QUOTE=Hk Dog]"Now you have the shrill, bullying punks epitomized by Bill O'Reilly on the male side and on the female side, that **** of cunts (there's no other word for her) Anne Coulter. These two are symptomatic of what is wrong with America."[/QUOTE]

How can Anne Coulter be considered to be the "**** of cunts" when she does not even own one (but she DOES own one of the biggest damn adam's apples I've ever seen)?

[QUOTE]Hk Dog
You call for moderation but you yourself are heavily biased even if its unintentional.
Since when is Ann Coulter an anchor person? Why didn't you balance it out by including Rosie O'Donnell or Michael Moore who are equally as bad as the 2 you mentioned.[/QUOTE]

Well, yes I am biased against the extreme right which is why I don't live in The US or Canada. Anne Coulter is an ignorant, ill-informed, bigotted commentator who's opinions are dangerous. In contrast, Peter Jennings, Tom Brokaw and Walter Cronkite, as well as being anchors were also commentators, just fair and even-handed. The days of that kind of journalism are long gone in the US.

I don't like Rosie O'Donnell or Michael Moore, either because they both have personal agendas, albeit not nearly as sinister as either Coulter's or O'Reilly's. Hell, everyone in America has an agenda. I've never seen such a self-obsessed nation in my life. Americans think that the whole world revolves around them.

A quarter of the world's population, just north of here, begs to differ.

You're obviously from da Land o' da Free. You're welcome to it.

I wrote a piece explaining why I live here. Your hyper-sensitive reaction reinforces those reasons.

I agree Jaded. I didn't want to reply at first but I just couldn't let it go.

I am an American living in Asia for over 15 yrs and I have seen the ignorant anti-americanism all around me.

Why that has to be present in a forum for guys just wanting to get laid is beyond me.

Maybe OLT should have some political debates with his cuties in LOS to satisfy his needing to rant.

[quote=too jaded]so i guess it was a pet peeve that caused me to soapbox. thank you for understanding.2j[/quote]

lol. i deleted my post thinking it just perpetuated the problem and then you went ahead and responded. oh, well.

no problem, though. but, i would suggest...and this isn't meant as an attack, just a suggestion...that, while i understand your point and you were correct, please don't join the growing chorus of dictatorial newbie posters who seem to lately be preaching on what and how each thread and this board should be used (look at cyberspace as a glaring example). most senior members who've been around for awhile tend to be more tolerant and just enjoy the free-flow nature of things. part of it has to do with the fact that we've seen it all and heard it all before. so, some like me are perhaps a little "too jaded" (haha) to get worked up about things going off topic - like the occasional comment (without pic) made on the photo section.

you've contributed some good stuff so far. just go with the flow and don't get so uptight about things. it's just a little, obscure sex board. it's not life and death.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]
You've contributed some good stuff so far. Just go with the flow and don't get so uptight about things. It's just a little, obscure sex board. It's not life and death.[/QUOTE]

OTH,

Are you mellowing with age? Just kidding.

AT2

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]OTH,

Are you mellowing with age? Just kidding.

AT2[/QUOTE]

of course.

[quote=nicfrenchy]website : [url]http://www.lolitasbangkok.com/[/url]

i was in [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] monday night (dec 2006) and it was a total disaster... was too late to make it to sol unfortunately.

well, she was a total train wreck. one of the worst bjs i've ever had.

[size=-2][b][u]editor's note[/u]:[/b] [blue]i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]click here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size][/quote]

i agree.

you tend to get a much better bbbj in the star of light than in [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s. the girls just seem to put more into it. this is obviously just from my own limited experience. maybe i was just lucky or unlucky?!

great reports btw

Just wondering is it's more advisable for me to buy my air ticket to Bangkok from Manila in Manila or here in California before I go. I heard that the tickets are cheaper around Asia if you buy it in Asia. If not then I will just get it here. There's a PAL fare of $218 RT from Manila. Dates are in early March. Thanks for your help.

Hey!

I'll be visiting BKK in about 10 days. Should be there for atleast a week.

I have been through many posts here, and havent figured out a comprehensive list of places that one should visit while they are in Bangkok.

If anyone here could list some places that are "must visits", it would be helpful for all the members reading it. It would be great if someone could list the best Soapys/Massages/StripClubs/Go-Go bars & what districts they are located in.

Any help is always appreciated.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]I am a little sunrise to here that essentially it’s the same as any other place in the world. True we are living in amongst so-called humans everywhere and we all eat, sleep, shit and fuck, but on the other hand there are many surprises waiting for the Newbie in Thailand I feel.[/quote]

That's exactly my point. The four cornerstones of life on this planet have been, still are, and always will be: eating and sleeping and shitting and fucking. There is of course the fifth element (some call it the X-factor) which is not widely recognized for what it has been, still is, and always will be: the insidious conspiracy of unknown conspirators whose sole purpose is the destruction of the four cornerstones of life. The real tragedy in all of this is that the four cornerstones are not widely recognized for what they are: the four most sacred activities of mankind.

The unknown conspirators are able to keep the conspiracy going with their secret weapon of mass destruction. Not only is their WMD the most secret of top secret WMDs, it has been, still is, and always will be, the most powerful destructive force ever to be unleashed on this planet. Believe me, I know what I am talking about because I have seen it (the WMD) with my own eyes, and so have most of you.

The definition of this WMD and a short brief describing its implementation can be found within the bindings of each and every English dictionary that has been, is being, or will be, manufactured on this planet. In fact, this WMD is so pervasive and ubiquitous that you don't need a dictionary to find it. All you need to do is read the first chapter of the first book of the Bible and you can see how it is commonly implemented for yourself. But wait, there's more! You can also read a detailed report on its destructive effects that were observed during it's first deployment.

But don't worry. There's no need to go to all that trouble. I can help you out man. Just sit back and relax and I'll tell you all you need to do to make your life a little better. I realize that you don't yet agree with me because it is still obvious at this point that you are quite happy eating and sleeping and shitting and fucking, but MY GOD MAN (speak of the devil) there really is more to life than those banal, simple things. You don't need to believe me now, but you will. Oh yes! Yes sir! You will! you'll believe me as soon as you try . . .

Subtle deception - the most powerful and deadly weapon of mass destruction in the world. At this time there appears to be no way of stopping it. There is no vaccine or magic cure because the insidious conspiracy (or WMD) can not be contained until the unknown conspirators become known. Unveiling the identities of these unknown hoodlums is not such an easy task because, as with most conspiracies, the conspirators don't want to be known.

Now . . .

If you really want to solve this riddle and disarm the most powerful weapon of mass destruction in the world, you must first perform the following tasks: 1) Get up off your lazy ass. 2) find the nearest mirror. 3) take a long look at yourself. 4) and repeat the following words slowly and out loud to yourself. The most powerful weapon of mass destruction the world has ever known is me, myself, and I. Once you've done that you have unveiled yourself from your subtle deceits.

Afterwards, you will begin to rediscover life's four cornerstones: eating and sleeping and shitting and fucking. Just be sure that you never deceive yourself again. The four cornerstones of life on this planet have been, still are, and always will be: the four most sacred activities of mankind.

poster . . .

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PosterLion,

Interesting post. Truthfully, I'd be happy with 2 of your "Cornerstones" : Fucking and Eating.

[QUOTE=Hoe Hunter]Hey!

If anyone here could list some places that are "must visits", it would be helpful for all the members reading it. It would be great if someone could list the best Soapys/Massages/StripClubs/Go-Go bars & what districts they are located in.

Any help is always appreciated.

Thanks![/QUOTE]

You will find this information in the Reports of Distinction thread. I would specifically pay attention to Giotto's AMP list, and also any good reviews on Eden and Soi Cowboy.

You can also either stay at Livingstones, which is Giotto's lodge in Sukhumvit, or just go for dinner and ask for 'the boss'. Giotto is usually helpful to newbies so long as you do not act like an ass.

Here is my short list:

Suzie Wong's (Soi Cowboy)
Eden (Soi 7)
Giotto's sports bar (Soi 33)
Darling Massage (Soi 12)

2J

[QUOTE=Hoe Hunter]Hey!

I'll be visiting BKK in about 10 days. Should be there for atleast a week.

I have been through many posts here, and havent figured out a comprehensive list of places that one should visit while they are in Bangkok.

If anyone here could list some places that are "must visits", it would be helpful for all the members reading it. It would be great if someone could list the best Soapys/Massages/StripClubs/Go-Go bars & what districts they are located in.

Any help is always appreciated.

Thanks![/QUOTE]

Hoe Hunter,

After reading through the threads, you should be able to list what you learned and what you feel are the "must sees". Post that list and we can add to it or comment on the list. Start with a good list, and we will help with the rest.

Don't make us do all the work! LOL!

AT2

[QUOTE=Too Jaded]Here is my short list:

Suzie Wong's (Soi Cowboy)
Eden (Soi 7)
Giotto's sports bar (Soi 33)
Darling Massage (Soi 12)

2J[/QUOTE]

I would add the infamous (Angel) Disco of Ill Repute to your short list because, even though many if not all of the long-timers will roll their eyes at this suggestion, it is worthy for a couple or maybe a few reasons:

1) It is the type of environment just about every expat tends to migrate to after becoming bored with the standard fare. That said, an old-timer (myself included) will tell you that Angel Disco is more of the very same standard fare that is on your short list already, but there is at least one major difference.

Angel Disco is normally the newbie’s' second epiphany while in Bangkok. The first epiphany occurs inside the places on your short list. Those names are somewhat famous, but Angel Disco must be one of the most famous Disco's in the world. I'll bet more men recognize the name of this Disco inside the Nana Hotel than the name of Thailand’s famous female pop star, Tata Young. By the way, not only should you add this to your short list, you should go tonight man! What do ya think?

The epiphany lurking inside Angel Disco manifests itself to the newbie in several ways:

1) Wow! There is a f-u-c-k-i-n-g-butt-load-ton of ladies in here!
2) They are all dancing and I can dance with them as well and the chances I'll look like a f-u-c-k-i-n-g-wanker-idiot for dancing with them are much less than the chances of those f-u-c-k-i-n-g-wanker-idiot men that look like f-u-c-k-i-n-g-wanker-idiot men while dancing with the girls in a gogo bar
3) Your chances of scoring a girl aren't guaranteed. There's a challenge involved. Hmmm . . .
4) The ladies that attend this disco are the very same ladies that work inside the gogo bars just across the street.
5) At the present time the Disco does not close until 3am.

The long-timers (myself included) have just finished sneering a long hard sneer that crept up onto their faces after reading reason number 3. Who does this idiot posterlion think he is including himself in our long-timer's club? We didn't invite him! He must be one of those f-u-c-k-i-n-g-wanker-idiot men that dance on the stage in gogo bars!

I don't blame anyone who just had that thought, it occurred to me as well. To say that scoring a girl in Angel Disco is not a sure thing is as absurd and ridiculous as saying the border of your native country was made by drawing lines on a piece of paper.

The borders of your native country and of all countries for that matter are nothing more than the chunks of land people avoided because the land wasn't safe and the reason the land wasn't safe was because anyone inside that land might be hit by a stray bullet or a stray mortar round or a stray arrow. It depends on the weapon dejur at the time your countries' border was first scribbled onto a scrap of paper with a pencil.

Dammit! I've lost the point! Again! Why does this happen to me more and more often these days? I wish I knew for certain, but I do know this: It's highly likely my second epiphany in Bangkok lead me to the street where I am living now: "Thannon - farang bpen baa." At least I'm not living on "Soi - baa baa bow bow" yet. Yes sir-ee! I'm not yet entirely without good luck. :)

Shit! shit shit shit shirt! On a tangent again!

Let me close with what I think was going to be a major point before I got lost in Khlong Toei without any shoes and without any money. Anyone who can't score a girl in Angel Disco has a lot of explaining to do! And quite frankly, those who can't score in Angel Disco must also be one of those men who can not be taken out of LOS because LOS has taken away everything that was once upon a time: the man.

Now how did I end up in Khlong Toei? Where are my shoes? Where is my wallet? Did I forget to take them from the house when I left home or have I forgotten them somewhere in Khlong Toei? Why can't I remember anything today? Where did I sleep last night? Did I sleep last night?!? I wonder if I can find my way back to my apartment. Here comes a bus, but I need money for a bus. What can I do? Maybe I can run and jump onto the back of it without begin noticed. What are these silly post cards doing in my pocket? Where did they come from? Hey I got an idea. I'll jump off at the next train station and see if I can sell these here post cards to some foreigners! ;)

Poster

Was that merely stream of consciousness or did you enter a parallel dimension?

Since we're kind of on the subject of discos, (I'm not exactly sure) have you, as an "old timer" ever ventured beyond the well-worn haunts - say to the Thai discos of Rachada soi 4-8, or over on Thong-Lor and Ekamai, Colisseum on Sukhumvit or way out to Tawan Daeng on Patanakarn? While you aren't guaranteed to get laid as these places, they do have loads of girls you wouldn't ever meet at P4P venues. Tawan Daeng is always full of Isaan girls particularly on weekends. If you're Thai is passable (better even, if you can speak Isaan) you certainly can approach the girls. I've always had lots of fun and pretty good luck at these places.

Just thought I'd mention it.

[QUOTE=PosterLion] Eating, sleeping, shitting, and fucking. [/QUOTE][QUOTE=PosterLion]Now how did I end up in Khlong Toei? Where are my shoes? Where is my wallet? Did I forget to take them from the house when I left home or have I forgotten them somewhere in Khlong Toei? Why can't I remember anything today? Where did I sleep last night? Did I sleep last night?!? I wonder if I can find my way back to my apartment. Here comes a bus, but I need money for a bus. What can I do? Maybe I can run and jump onto the back of it without begin noticed. What are these silly post cards doing in my pocket? Where did they come from? Hey I got an idea. I'll jump off at the next train station and see if I can sell these here post cards to some foreigners! ;)[/QUOTE]Poster, my dear old fellow – after reading your last two posts, I’m now seriously wondering out loud to myself whether or not you have become just a bit unhinged lately. Pull yourself together, man! "Eating, sleeping, shitting, and fucking. " WTF? Is that all there is left for you? You’re kidding, right? You’re having fun with us. Tell me you’re just having fun with us. You’re scaring me. What has LOS done to you? Perhaps you should listen to that little voice inside you, pleading with you to come home for a while.

Take care of yourself,

Daddy

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]on the female side, that **** of cunts (there's no other word for her) Anne Coulter.[/QUOTE]OTH:

I could think of one worst: Nancy Grace

She had an interview with a woman on her show and she ended up killing herself.

PT

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]OTH:

I could think of one worst: Nancy Grace

She had an interview with a woman on her show and she ended up killing herself.

PT[/QUOTE]

The interviewed woman, of course. Unfortunately, not Nancy Grace.

[QUOTE=PosterLion]There is of course the fifth element.............your subtle deceits.[/QUOTE]

This is the plot of Guy Ritchie's duff gangster flick "Revolver", right?:D

Just to add to the constant debate about how good or bad do the Eden girls look.
I went there about 8 pm yesterday. Not expecting much, since I thought most f...able girls must already be taken.

Well, first they were at least 25 girls available, 20 on the right and 5 on the left. After a bit of chat with Bruce, I picked up Bee, and she choose her friend, whose name I can't rememebr.

WOOO!!! Absolutely charming face, innocent smile, c cup natural breast that you can't get your hands of, etc..All the usual services performed in a GF atmosphere. If I had seen her before I would definitively have BFd her, but, shit, on the plane this morning already...
Anyway, if you go to Eden and she is there, take her, and treat her well, she is just like a little charmoing fucking doll.

What Thai phrases are most important to know before traveling to Thailand?

I found a website called learningthai.com and from there I've plucked about 30 words and phrases that I thought would be useful. I'm making an effort to try to embrace the culture as much as possible while I'm there for a week. What Thai phrases to you use or hear the most and is there a site that I can go to actually hear the phrases instead of just trying to decipher what the words sound like from a poor english translation.

Khob Khun

I'm just returning from BKK. It was my second trip there in the last four months. Before I get started on my reports I would like to post a few observations.

1. Ladyboys are generally taller than the average Thai male. A female friend who made the trip with us attributed this to taking hormones, but I always thought that taking hormones would stunt growth, not accelerate it.

2. Thais do not like farangs, but love our money. I found this out on several occaisions. I went into a store to look at some souvenirs. I enquired about the price. I told the lady that her price of 450 was too high. She threw me out of the store and cursed me out in Thai. I later bought the exact trinket in Suam Lum for 200. Same thing happens if you go to a bar or massage parlor. You must spend money as soon as you walk in or they want to throw you out. We were walking around in NEP and one lady damn near killed herself rushing us into a bar. But when we did not want to buy anything right away she threw us out.

3. People think that all Americans like George Bush because he is the president of the United States. We were sitting in a tuk-tuk waiting for the light to change when another tuk-tuk with women of Arab decent pulled next to us. They were enraged with us because they could tell we were American and assumed we liked George Bush.

4. It is harder to get a taxi if you insist on them running the meter. This is especially true at tourist places because the drivers know that they can get more money from the next tourist who will not want them to run the meter. I guess most tourist ask for a price from point A to point B instead of having them run the meter. Drivers kept asking 200 from NaNa to Wat Traimit saying that there was much traffic. When I finally got someone who would run the meter I ended up paying 75 for the trip. A couple of taxis at Wat Po threw us out for asking them to turn the meter on. Last night at 4am going to the airport the driver wanted to charge 500 from NaNa. I had to damn near fight with him half way down the street to get him to turn the meter on. The meter price ended up being 175, whereas my friends behind us in the other taxi did not feel like arguing and paid a flat 300.

5. Most ladyboys will tell you right off that they are not a woman so I don't see how people say they were tricked. On one occaision I approched what I thought was a girl in the car park. The first words out of her mouth was, "I am a man." Another time, inside of the hotel lobby, I was talking with a person who I knew was a ladyboy and they offered to come to my room to give me a massage. I was like no thanks. And she said, "I am same same you." I'm like yeah, I know. That is why I said no.

Hi

I am writing a book over many months, and would like comments or advice where I can get a decent one and half hour strong massage and a nice BJ or HJ, but a place that is well priced, as in under THB1000 for this. Any ideas appreciated. I plan on having 2-3 a day, so it adds up.

Or should I get a couple of live in girls and offer THB20k a month each which i gather is a good wage. Their would be selected for dexterity and oral skills, and of course now and then in thigh high phuck me stockings wrapped around me.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]2. Thais do not like farangs, but love our money. I found this out on several occaisions. I went into a store to look at some souvenirs. I enquired about the price. I told the lady that her price of 450 was too high. She threw me out of the store and cursed me out in Thai. I later bought the exact trinket in Suam Lum for 200.

4. It is harder to get a taxi if you insist on them running the meter.[/QUOTE]Please do not say "Thais do not like farangs" based on those 2 experiences. Rip-offs in tourist shops and over-charge happen everywhere - including the US shopping malls where you got systematically over-charged without any chance to bargain either. Also, I personally had absolutely ever had any problem with the meter taxi - but like everywhere in the world, mega-tourist places call for their shares of touts. And in many other countries (first or third world), you would pay 10 times more for a taxi fare, meter or no meter.

As for me, Thailand remains as a whole one (if not the) best country where people are polite, smile and return a smile if you do smile first (and that includes security guards, policemen and unknown people in the street), are helpful, and do not try to steal from you. So please post a report with your positive experiences about this beautiful place, which will make you forget about the few negatives ones. That will help you to bring more positive memories and mindset - and that contributes to remove the Bush syndrom.

Let's keep cool and enjoy.

Mr Enternational,

Great Honest report and thank you for sharing your feelings and views of Bangkok.

I certainly understand what you are talking about, however, please let me give you my personal experience on some of the issues you reported:

1. Ladyboys are not always Taller than the average Thai Male, look at some of the Hi,-So and Actresses or models (all females) Thai, they are really tall. I notice also that a high number of Thai men are also above the 180cm mark.

2. Hhmm. I am french and could say the same for my fellow countrymen. It is all a matter of behaviour. I have always treated people in Thailand with respect and they have always treated me very well. Smiling goes a long way; )

Yes, sometimes you will encounter some bitter door people (especially in NEP Gogo bars) just ignore them and walk around the bar as if they do not exist. They have no right to lay a finger on you and you are welcome to remind them not to touch you. Mostly they will leave you alone.

3. A few Arab Women's opinion hardly qualify as a benchmark of what "People" in Thailand think; )

4. The Law in Thailand in regards to taxis is that they MUST drive you to your desired destination and MUST turn the meter on.

Now that this is clear, the reality is that many drivers will refuse to take you to some places (depending on their mood, traffic.) and yes, sometimes will not turn the meter on. If this happends, remind them to put the meter on. If they refuse, have them stop and get out of the cab (leave the door open as to inconvenience the Taxi driver, he will be furious having to get out of his cab to close the door)

5. No sir! A lot of ladyboys will not tell you a thing. Then when in the room, they'll only give you a BJ. Ladyboys are on the Prowl usually late at night hoping to get some drunk customers. ; )

Well, these are my opinions anyhow.

I am looking forward to your Sexy reports.

[QUOTE=Roady1]What Thai phrases are most important to know before traveling to Thailand?

I found a website called learningthai.com and from there I've plucked about 30 words and phrases that I thought would be useful. I'm making an effort to try to embrace the culture as much as possible while I'm there for a week. What Thai phrases to you use or hear the most and is there a site that I can go to actually hear the phrases instead of just trying to decipher what the words sound like from a poor english translation.

Khob Khun[/QUOTE]

I lived for five years in Thailand and only learned the following phrases.

Tao rai = how much

Pang mak = too expensive

Mai pen rai khop = never mind, doesn't matter, etc.

Ali Ga-dai khop = up to you, whatever, etc.

And turn on your freaking meter khop or the ride is free.

I also learned yet khun, but I wouldn't recommending using it.

[QUOTE=Roady1]What Thai phrases are most important to know before traveling to Thailand?

I found a website called learningthai.com and from there I've plucked about 30 words and phrases that I thought would be useful. I'm making an effort to try to embrace the culture as much as possible while I'm there for a week. What Thai phrases to you use or hear the most and is there a site that I can go to actually hear the phrases instead of just trying to decipher what the words sound like from a poor english translation.

Khob Khun[/QUOTE]In addition to Army's;

Suggest you learn the numbers in Thai (speak it is good and also learn how they are written)

Dont forget the usual (in Thai)

(Greetings) hello, thank you, sorry, directions= go, stop, turn left ,turn right etc.

And the best: Khun sway= you're beautiful--helps break the ice with a gal.

I dont know of any real good sites thats free that have decent teaching thai with sound, most have some charge to them. The free ones have real basic and limited sound bits but not enough to be truly helpful in LOS.

PT

Bros,

I am a Malaysian Bro. Heading up to Bangkok for the first time tomolo until Friday for work/fun (after work of course). I read that most of you guys head to Soi Cowboy. But I am looking more for one of those ST fun. Or maybe a HC style of fun were I can go in for a quickie for 2 hrs at her place or at an establishment. Can you point me to the right directions. I am rather picky about the physical appearance though. Please point me to the right direction. A massage centre is fine too provided their chics are hot and young. I am not a MILF hunter. So preferably someone below 25 with slim bodyshape.

[QUOTE=Roady1]What Thai phrases are most important to know before traveling to Thailand?

I found a website called learningthai.com and from there I've plucked about 30 words and phrases that I thought would be useful. I'm making an effort to try to embrace the culture as much as possible while I'm there for a week. What Thai phrases to you use or hear the most and is there a site that I can go to actually hear the phrases instead of just trying to decipher what the words sound like from a poor english translation.

Khob Khun[/QUOTE]Try bangkok tonight website under language (Suk language skills)

Dont forget "r's" are pronounced "L" like Thao Rai = thao lai

And "Mai Khop" "No thanks" Mostlly used term on Sukhumvit

I'm Jealous!!

[QUOTE=Rikusa]And "Mai Khop" "No thanks" Mostlly used term on Sukhumvit
[/QUOTE]

Funny how people spell things differently to how I would.

If you mean "Mai Krup" then that is:
'general negative term' 'polite form (like saying sir or mam)' Note: females (and katoeys) use the feminine form of Krup which is Car (but with a stretched out a - aaaah.. I can see your tonsils). (Katoey = ladyboy).

If you mean "Mai Chawp" (pronounced almost like chop with a knife) then that is:
'general negative' 'like' = no like = I don't like it

I would suggest more appropriate for vendors along Sukhumvit is:
"Mai ao" (pronounced kind've like 'ow, I hurt myself') which translates to:
'general negative' 'want' = no want = I don't want it

Of course, it is normal to use the polite form, so you along Suk you would say:

Mai chawp katoey krap
or
Mai ao krap.

When a taxi asks you 'want lady?'
try replying:

"Chawp katoey boom-poy krup" ;) Bound to get a laugh and get him off your back for the remainder of the journey.

[QUOTE=Pahllus Maximus]I am writing a book over many months, and would like comments or advice where I can get a decent one and half hour strong massage and a nice BJ or HJ, but a place that is well priced, as in under THB1000 for this. Any ideas appreciated. I plan on having 2-3 a day, so it adds up.[/QUOTE]

There are many places that are in your price range. Almost all Massage places will give you a TTM for 400thb/2hours and offer a HJ for 500thb (total cost : 900 thb)

[QUOTE=Pahllus Maximus]Or should I get a couple of live in girls and offer THB20k a month each which i gather is a good wage. Their would be selected for dexterity and oral skills, and of course now and then in thigh high phuck me stockings wrapped around me.[/QUOTE]This is debatable, but the superstars will laugh at this low amount. Some Girls (the popular ones) clear over 100,000 thb per month. You can however find yourself a nice Freelancer from the Beergarten or Thermae that will be willing to live with you for 20k per month.

Was at Patpong II with my cellphone when all of a sudden I see Miss T*k from SOL approaching.

She's far from her hunting grounds but still comes to me and points in the direction of the bar with an inviting smile on her face. I grin and tell her that I will be there in 5 minutes. She takes off in the opposite direction (WTF? )

I am still standing there (on the phone) when T*k comes back towards the bar with a bag of Food in her hand. I tell her I'll be there soon and she takes off.

After about 10 minutes I am in front of SOL and she's there at the table eating. Another lady stands up and gives me a sweet smile but T*k tells her something in Thai and the lady sits back down. T*k gets up on her feet and takes me inside.

Place is empty. I still motion towards the back Toilet.

She starts to suck slowly and keeps looking at me, our eyes stay focused on each other for what seems to be an eternity and I am loving every minute of it. She goes through her routine of Balls and shaft sucking when another lady enters to offer her sweet mouth to me. I decline.

After a good 10 minutes, I ask T*k if she is ok? , I tell her that if she is tired she can call a second lady. She asks "you want 2 lady? " I tell her that I want her only but if she is tired we can call in for help so she can take a break.

She assures me: "if you come before another 15mn I ok" so she resumes the sucking. One thing that I like about her is that she is totally naked everytime (yes, I ask her to do it, I don't know if she does it all the time. But she might because she loves to walk around the bar completely naked).

It's been 20mn and she decides to be creative. I am sitting on the chair, she is sitting reverse cowgirl but has her pussy in my face and my dick (the tip of it) in her mouth. It feels great! Her pussy is so tight.

I have her pussy in my mouth while she jerks me off and I come quickly and all over the toilet floor. She laughs and apologises because she could not take it in her mouth on time. I felt bad for her as she was cleaning the floor with the tissues.

She helped me wash my dick thoroughly over the sink and as I was still hard she started stroking and asked if I was ready for another one? I laughed and told her that the second time takes way too long and will not shoot before an hour. She counteroffers saying: "ok, then you fuck me, ok? " I declined. Paid, tipped her 300 and she grinned "Come back soon" Fucking sure I will.

SOL gets another 10/10 in my books.

** as this happened on Dec 2006, I regret to inform you that Miss T*k has now retired. (very unfortunate as she was the shining Star of the Place)

Retired Army, Phantomtiger2 and Rikusa, thanks for your help! I'll start working on the Thai numbers. Besides the basic, hello, goodby thank you, no thank you, here's the list of what I have put together so far.

You are very beautiful = Koon suay mak
You are very cute = Koon na-rak mak
Your eyes are so beautiful = Duang dtar kong koon suay mak
I like your smile = Pom chorp roi yim kong koon

How much = Tao rai
Too expensive = Pang mak

These last two will be good additions to my list. I'd like to be able to follow these up with "I have a small dick" or something that roughly translates to "too much money for such a small dick" I figure that will be good for a laugh and get them to start moving the price down. If there is anyone here who speaks thai and can bang out this phrase for me I would appreciate it. I've searched the Net for the last 2 weeks. Apparently no one felt this phrase was worth including in their "how to speak thai" website.

Blunderer:
Chawp katoey boom-poy krup
Ok, I'll bite. What's it mean? If I had to guess it says something to the affect of "I like ladyboy". I hope boom-poy means to "to fuck" and not "to fuck me".

[QUOTE=Blunderer]
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I would suggest more appropriate for vendors along Sukhumvit is:
"Mai ao" (pronounced kind've like 'ow, I hurt myself') which translates to:
'general negative' 'want' = no want = I don't want it

Of course, it is normal to use the polite form, so you along Suk you would say:

Mai chawp katoey krap
or
Mai ao krap.
<cut>[/QUOTE]"Mai Ao Khrap" is perhaps excessively polite in some circumstances. "Mai Ao" (I don't want it) is probably sufficient when talking to street vendors if you weren't interested in their wares at all and just passing.

If you want to talk to them, then better to be more polite.

"Mai chawp katoey" ( I don't like ladyboys) is not appropriate at all since no-one asked you if you liked lady boys.

Again "Mai Ao" covers all, when accosted by a ladyboy.

It is certainly impolite to mention that they may be a ladyboy.

I am probably not so polite, since I can't be bothered to answer every person that accosts me on the side-walk. I just ignore them.

If I like the girl who says "pai dooay" (I go with you), she might get a smile out of me or perhaps a polite refusal. I can't afford to be seen walking or talking with street walkers.

Guys,

Will be arriving in BKK the next few days and would be interested to read your current thinking on where to get a real haircut (as in decent stylist, manicure, pedicure..), followed by massage, and, if the need arises, 'take out' or 'have in' FS. Curious as to the gems of feedback you'll provide. Any decent hair-dressers near you providing a bit of the old slap and tickle as well?

Just want to spoil myself before returning to frozen Siberia.

TIA

Daring Mood

[also posting on Pattaya forum]

With all due respect: I do think that might work out, yet my personal experience is that the better you treat girls, the better they treat you.

[url]http://www.thai-language.com/dict/[/url] has translation and pronounciations material.

[QUOTE=Retired Army]I lived for five years in Thailand and only learned the following phrases.

Tao rai = how much
Pang mak = too expensive
Mai pen rai khop = never mind, doesn't matter, etc.
Ali Ga-dai khop = up to you, whatever, etc.
And turn on your freaking meter khop or the ride is free.
I also learned yet khun, but I wouldn't recommending using it.[/QUOTE]

Well, both the Four Seasons and the Dusit Thani provide gentlemens haircuts and wet shaves with a blade. Although the hotels are expensive, the grooming is not - 300 baht or so.

For other services, you might have to change shop. Yet it may be worth while: searching the forum will confirm that TGs like neat and groomed chaps, so the extra effort might yield better treatment.

I have yet to find a place that offers grooming that does not leave you look like riff-raff *and* offers other more ... services.

[QUOTE=Daring Mood]Guys
Will be arriving in BKK the next few days and would be interested to read your current thinking on where to get a real haircut (as in decent stylist, manicure, pedicure..), followed by massage, and, if the need arises, 'take out' or 'have in' FS. Curious as to the gems of feedback you'll provide. Any decent hair-dressers near you providing a bit of the old slap and tickle as well?
Just want to spoil myself before returning to frozen Siberia.
TIA
Daring Mood
[also posting on Pattaya forum][/QUOTE]

Thx Txl Muc,

Was thinking of an all-in-one establishment, but your point's well taken.

Cheers,

D M

[QUOTE=Txl Muc]Well, the Four Seasons and the Dusit Thani both provide gentlemens haircuts and wet shaves with a blade. Although the hotels are expensive, the grooming is not - 300 baht or so.

Four other services, you might have to change shop. But searching the forum will confirm that TGs like neat and groomed chaps, so changing places may be worth it.

I have yet to find a place that offers grooming that does not leave you look like riff-raff and other, more ... services.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Horntoad]It's hard enough to find a lot of large breasted women let alone after 2am but you might try Siam Hotel in Petchaburi. There are usually a lot of fair skinned women there vs. more dark skinned women around nana. Most Poseidon or MP girls go to Huay Kwang to eat and shop after they get off of work but most aren't looking for customers.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the suggestion. What are the typical rates for the girls at Siam Hotel? Both ST and LT? Do you need to know Thai to be able to get to them or do most of them know enough English like the ones in Nana? Certainly a place I will check out when I am there next week.

[QUOTE=Daring Mood]Guys,

Will be arriving in BKK the next few days and would be interested to read your current thinking on where to get a real haircut (as in decent stylist, manicure, pedicure..), followed by massage, and, if the need arises, 'take out' or 'have in' FS. Curious as to the gems of feedback you'll provide. Any decent hair-dressers near you providing a bit of the old slap and tickle as well?
Just want to spoil myself before returning to frozen Siberia.

TIA.

Daring Mood

[also posting on Pattaya forum][/QUOTE]Try Smile Salon on Suk Soi 15. Everything you need at a good price.

[QUOTE=Sad Sam]Thank you for the suggestion. What are the typical rates for the girls at Siam Hotel? Both ST and LT? Do you need to know Thai to be able to get to them or do most of them know enough English like the ones in Nana? Certainly a place I will check out when I am there next week.[/QUOTE]

Sad Sam,

Most girls will do ST only. They usually ask for 1700 baht if your hotel is close by otherwise 1500 baht plus 500 baht for a short time hotel. Most girls don't speak much english there and there a some that have a thai guy or woman as a pimp. Price is still the same if you use them for a recommendation. When you take a cab, make sure you tell him Siam Hotel on Petchaburi. Also there are usually some girls in the hotel coffee shop and usually around a hundred up front up and down that street. If the girls are not there, you need to walk around the long block because the girls are all on the backside of the hotel.

One last thing, if you do take a girl to your room, you need to be very careful because some of them are thieves. Make sure everything is locked up and make sure you take your stuff in the restroom with you if you take a shower. One girl stole my friend's cell phone because he is thai and didn't think she was going to rip him off.

[QUOTE=Roady1]
Blunderer:
Chawp katoey boom-poy krup
Ok, I'll bite. What's it mean? If I had to guess it says something to the affect of "I like ladyboy". I hope boom-poy means to "to fuck" and not "to fuck me".[/QUOTE]

I like fat ladyboys.

[QUOTE=Blunderer]I like fat ladyboys.[/QUOTE]

Actually, it means, 'I like plump katoeys'.

not pronounced boom-poy, but pboom-pbu-ee...means plump

'Uan' means fat

[QUOTE=Horntoad]Sad Sam,


One last thing, if you do take a girl to your room, you need to be very careful because some of them are thieves. Make sure everything is locked up and make sure you take your stuff in the restroom with you if you take a shower. One girl stole my friend's cell phone because he is thai and didn't think she was going to rip him off.[/QUOTE]

Don't forget the mini-bar. I had two girls in Manila clean mine out and it cost over $50.

[QUOTE=Duniawala]Try Smile Salon on Suk Soi 15. Everything you need at a good price.[/QUOTE]Can you get your genitals shaved here?

I know you need to be extra careful with freelancers since you can't go back to the bar they work at to complain if you have a problem. But why are most freelancers freelancers? Are they typcially less attractive, do the bars refuse to hire them because they have issues (drugs, alcohol, emotional). Are freelancers just part timers, or are they just trying to make an extra buck by cutting out the middle man?

I know there are probably some freelancers out there who can answer yes to any and all of these but for those of you who have had significant experience with them and have talked with them, what's your opinion? Is there a common thread among the freelancers that seperates them from the girls that work in the bars?

[QUOTE=Horntoad]
Most girls will do ST only. They usually ask for 1700 baht if your hotel is close by otherwise 1500 baht plus 500 baht for a short time hotel. Most girls don't speak much english there and there a some that have a thai guy or woman as a pimp. Price is still the same if you use them for a recommendation. [...] If the girls are not there, you need to walk around the long block because the girls are all on the backside of the hotel. [/QUOTE]

Horntoad, that is the Siam Hotel on 177 New Petchburi Rd, near Mona Lisa ([url]http://www.thaihotels.org/siamhotel.html[/url])?

It has been a while since I have been on Petchburi Rd, I did like that the MPs (fond memories of Embassy, not so much of Mona Lisa) were catering to locals and the girls were less pushy and more courteous than your average Sukhumvit girl. Who does the Siam hotel cater for - Thai, Asians, Faran? Did you ever stay there?

[QUOTE=Horntoad]One girl stole my friend's cell phone because he is thai and didn't think she was going to rip him off.[/QUOTE]

Poor chap. Yet it is reassuring that silly things happen to Thais as well as to us.

[QUOTE=Horntoad]
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One last thing, if you do take a girl to your room, you need to be very careful because some of them are thieves. Make sure everything is locked up and make sure you take your stuff in the restroom with you if you take a shower. One girl stole my friend's cell phone because he is thai and didn't think she was going to rip him off.
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[/QUOTE]In all of my many years of mongering in Thailand, I have never had anything stolen by a bar girl, MP girl, street walker, hotel room cleaner, etc.
Maybe I am just lucky.

On the other hand I don't take obvious risks with girls I don't know. Simply I don't leave wallet lying around. Its in my pocket when go to the bathroom and I always leave the bathroom door open. Nothing valuable is left on display.

Perhaps I have got lucky in my choices of girls as well.

I've found that freelancers are girls who do not want to be tied down to a routine such as an MP or a bar. They tend to be part-timers. I've had good luck with them. Since they don't have sex as much, they tend to be more enthusiastic. I've also found their service level to be just as high as the MPs or the bars. Since they agree to go with you voluntarily, they usually like you at least somewhat, so they will probably enjoy it and give pretty good service.

I'll be in BKK Feb. 1-18th "visiting" with the girls. Ha. And it's just my second time there.

Any suggestions of how to utilize a fitness center or some place to work out near the Majestic Suites? Someone mentioned something on Soi5/1 I think.

Any ideas would be helpful. Do the other hotels allow "outsiders" to use their facilities, etc?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Mick Licker]In all of my many years of mongering in Thailand, I have never had anything stolen by a bar girl, MP girl, street walker, hotel room cleaner, etc.
Maybe I am just lucky.

On the other hand I don't take obvious risks with girls I don't know. Simply I don't leave wallet lying around. Its in my pocket when go to the bathroom and I always leave the bathroom door open. Nothing valuable is left on display.

Perhaps I have got lucky in my choices of girls as well.[/QUOTE]

MP3 players, handmade tailored silk shirts, CD's minibar stuff, and they will rifle pockets and wallets too. Never underestimate a seasoned pooying. The maids will steal little stuff like Thai Heintz sauces. I've had front desk hotel staff steal stuff too. The situation has grown worse compared to 4-5 years back.

[QUOTE=Roady1]But why are most freelancers freelancers?[/QUOTE]Interesting question, but I don't think that there is a standard answer to this.

Every girl has her own reasons.

I don't think that it has to do with them being less attractive.. you just need to look in some bars and seeing the girls they employ tells you there are no Standards in terms of looks.

My opinion would be that they have Freedom.

A bargirl (BG) is an employee of the bar and has a lot of Targets to reach (# of lady drinks, hours, days of work) while a Freelancer can go and work whenever she pleases.

Some Freelancers are just regular office girls, who, towards the end of the month sell their body to help make ends meet (rent.).

Some other Freelancers are BGs quarantined by their bar because they were tested positive on the bar's last "STD check", they freelance until the STD is gone and they can return to the Bar (the bar Fines them if this occurs).

this is what I think, but even if you ask a girl "Why" she does it, she will never tell you the truth (unless she knows you for a long time.)

[quote=troporep001]can you get your genitals shaved here?[/quote]
have no idea. doesn't hurt to ask though.

[QUOTE=Redfield10]I'll be in BKK Feb. 1-18th "visiting" with the girls. Ha. And it's just my second time there.

Any suggestions of how to utilize a fitness center or some place to work out near the Majestic Suites? Someone mentioned something on Soi5/1 I think.

Any ideas would be helpful. Do the other hotels allow "outsiders" to use their facilities, etc?

Thanks![/QUOTE]

I've heard you can use the fitness center at the Landmark Hotel for a fee.

[quote=troporep001]
can you get your genitals shaved here?[/quote]

[quote=duniawala]have no idea. doesn't hurt to ask though.[/quote]

it could hurt to have it done, though, if it's not done right. ouch!

at2

[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]MP3 players, handmade tailored silk shirts, CD's minibar stuff, and they will rifle pockets and wallets too. Never underestimate a seasoned pooying. The maids will steal little stuff like Thai Heintz sauces. I've had front desk hotel staff steal stuff too. The situation has grown worse compared to 4-5 years back.[/QUOTE]

Like Mick Licker I have never had anything taken while in Thailand. I do always lock everything of value up though if there is going to be a working girl in the room.

As for hotel staff, at the better hotels I have never had any problems. I know at the Hyatt they will even return money you leave in your laundry. Of course it is always better to not provide temptation, but in many, many stays in different hotels in Thailand, I have often accidentally left money, cameras, laptops, and other goodies out with never a problem. But then I tend to stick to the better hotels.

You are pretty sorted.. I'm too lazy to look up where Majestic Suites is but I am pretty sure it isn't too far from Nana, in which case, inside the Landmark Hotel (139 Suk I think) there is a 'Fitness First' - attached to, but a seperate entity to Landmark.

They are absolutely top notch.

There is another big nice gym opposite the World Trade Centre - can't remember the brand. Failing that, there's another Fitness First up on Sukhumvit Soi 39(?).

Google 'fitness first thailand' for the exact addresses of the ff chain, they are all top notch.

[QUOTE=Redfield10]
Any suggestions of how to utilize a fitness center or some place to work out near the Majestic Suites? Someone mentioned something on Soi5/1 I think.
Thanks![/QUOTE]

California Wow - probably the best fitness chain here. At the corner of Sukhumvit soi 23. 2 minute walk from Soi Cowboy.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]California Wow - probably the best fitness chain here. At the corner of Sukhumvit soi 23. 2 minute walk from Soi Cowboy.[/QUOTE]Agree, California WoW is the Best in Thailand.

Having said that, I am not sure you can buy a day or week pass. I believe it is members only.

You might wana try True Fitness across the road from California WoW. They are new and equipment is good, they might let you negotiate something.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Poster

Was that merely stream of consciousness or did you enter a parallel dimension?[/quote]That post began as a simple explanation of why 2J should add Angel Disco to his short list that quickly spiraled out of control. I typically have that problem when I am writing. It begins as something I think I have control over, but control is a quality I possess in very odd shaped proportions and many times my writing takes on a life of its own. I'm pretty sure that’s what happened with that one. I am confident most literary critics would classify my latest post as a stream of consciousness and I would not disagree with them.

However, I started out with the intention of writing a basic, logical, informative post. It just didn't turn out that way. This problem happens with almost all my endeavors and I think the root cause isn’t fixable. I am one of those weird people that use both the left and right side of my brain in almost identical proportions. I'd venture to say that my brain practically incapable of the artful use of logic, nor it is capable of producing logical art. My decision making process must resemble a group 50 artists and 50 scientists attempting to come to a mutual explanation for the meaning of life.

If you study the post for about thirty seconds or so you should be able to find the spot where the post became a separate entity that was probably controlling me more than I was controlling it. In my judgement, this was the last line I was in control of: “That said, an old-timer (myself included) will tell you that Angel Disco is more of the very same standard fare that is on your short list already, but there is at least one major difference.”

[quote=posterlion]Now how did I end up in Khlong Toei? Where are my shoes? Where is my wallet? Did I forget to take them from the house when I left home or have I forgotten them somewhere in Khlong Toei? Why can't I remember anything today? Where did I sleep last night? Did I sleep last night?!? I wonder if I can find my way back to my apartment. Here comes a bus, but I need money for a bus. What can I do? Maybe I can run and jump onto the back of it without begin noticed. What are these silly post cards doing in my pocket? Where did they come from? Hey I got an idea. I'll jump off at the next train station and see if I can sell these here post cards to some foreigners![/quote]The final paragraph was the most enjoyable to write. I reminds my of the last page of “Sexus” by Henry Miller. The thing in the back of my head while I was hitting the keyboard was the farang guy that peddles post cards and other miscellaneous trivia on Sukhumvit. I’ve heard him mentioned on this board more than once. The last time I saw him was on Soi 4 and I actually bought a postcard from him. I couldn’t help it. The guy was so pitiful.

Maybe I might ought to consider my current post at this time. As you can see, this one is trying to escape me as well.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Since we're kind of on the subject of discos, (I'm not exactly sure) have you, as an "old timer" ever ventured beyond the well-worn haunts - say to the Thai discos of Rachada soi 4-8, or over on Thong-Lor and Ekamai, Colisseum on Sukhumvit or way out to Tawan Daeng on Patanakarn? While you aren't guaranteed to get laid as these places, they do have loads of girls you wouldn't ever meet at P4P venues. Tawan Daeng is always full of Isaan girls particularly on weekends. If you're Thai is passable (better even, if you can speak Isaan) you certainly can approach the girls. I've always had lots of fun and pretty good luck at these places.

Just thought I'd mention it.[/QUOTE]"Yes I have", would be my short answer, but sadly, I must confess that I've been to Rachada about five or six times, Thong-lor one time, and Ekamai a few times over two years ago. Actually, I went to most of those places sooner than I should have because I didn't understand nearly as much Thai then as I do now.

[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]This is the plot of Guy Ritchie's duff gangster flick "Revolver", right?:D[/QUOTE]You might be right according to the reviews. I'd never heard of it when I saw your post so I had to look it up on the internet. As one critic put it, "I would have liked to see a little more plot (meaning action) in the movie.

Might you be suggesting the same thing from my posts? I suppose I should write some action filled storys. Hemingway did it. :)

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]California Wow - probably the best fitness chain here. At the corner of Sukhumvit soi 23. 2 minute walk from Soi Cowboy.[/QUOTE]There is a kick ass gym at Paragon.

Ok, a little bit of a weird question, but can I asume that Raming Lodge in Chiamg Mai (a decent hotel..nothing fancy) and the Indochine Hotel in HCMC. Again, decenet, but not fancy. Have hair dryers in the bathroom..

I don't really want to bring mine if I don't have to. I know in the US I can assume all hotels will have dryers. How about these?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Redfield10]I know in the US I can assume all hotels will have dryers. How about these?[/QUOTE]You can never be sure, but hey, Thailand isn't as poor as it looks. You can definitely buy a Hair Dryer here ;)

Redfield,

You're posting on the wrong board. But here's some advice. Bring your hair-dryer, and a big mirror for you to gaze at yourself. Hotels out here don't have mirrors, don't you know, oh and gel, lot's of gel. You'll need it

DM

[QUOTE=Redfield10]Ok, a little bit of a weird question, but can I asume that Raming Lodge in Chiamg Mai (a decent hotel..nothing fancy) and the Indochine Hotel in HCMC. Again, decenet, but not fancy. Have hair dryers in the bathroom..

I don't really want to bring mine if I don't have to. I know in the US I can assume all hotels will have dryers. How about these?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

Hi,

Greetings from Bangkok. I am a sucker for a sexy russian when I am full of rice and I must share with the board a place that I do believe has never been discussed on this board.

I was in front of the dynasty inn soi 4 at around 11 pm 2 days ago and eyed a sexy russian girl. I decided to stalk her to see where she ended up. To my surprise she went into the RaJah Hotel. I am not sure which side street this is, but walking down soi 4 (away from sukhimvit road) you will come to a 7/11 on the Nana Hotel side of soi 4. Take a right there at the 7/11 and you will immediately see the sign for the rajah hotel.

Back to the story. I followed her into the rajah coffeeshop and I was absolutely amazed what I saw next. There were at least 25 russian women in there waiting to be picked up. 3 different tables. One table was all Uzbek girls. Another table was all Ukraine and the final table was all russian girls.

There is a Thai handler for all the girls. Here is the program: There is no take out. The handlers have rooms set up in the rajah. You pick the girl you want and take her to their short time rooms for Baht 3000. I took one girl (sonya) who is 18 and a dead ringer of jodie foster in the movie taxi driver. Blonde hair, tall and an amazing ass and a great smile.

They come to work at 7 pm (as best as I could figure out and all live int he rajah) and I have been there at 2 am and they were still some there, although the numbers dwindled.

I was the only white falang in the place. Mostly japanese and "abduls". I think white falang hasn't found this wealth of talent.

Since it is a coffee shop, there is no problem to buy a beer and just eye the talent with absolutely no hassle or pressure. But please--do not go talk to the girls. Trust me, the thai handler frowns on that. Keep your distance and look only, drink a beer and check it out.

I thought it was a nice way to spend 3000 baht and I have gone every night to check out if there is new talent.

From the land of smiles,

WS

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Is there any place in BKK that offers a "basket fuck"?

[QUOTE=Wilsafris]Hi,

Greetings from Bangkok. I am a sucker for a sexy russian when I am full of rice and I must share with the board a place that I do believe has never been discussed on this board.

I was in front of the dynasty inn soi 4 at around 11 pm 2 days ago and eyed a sexy russian girl. I decided to stalk her to see where she ended up. To my surprise she went into the RaJah Hotel. I am not sure which side street this is, but walking down soi 4 (away from sukhimvit road) you will come to a 7/11 on the Nana Hotel side of soi 4. Take a right there at the 7/11 and you will immediately see the sign for the rajah hotel.

Back to the story. I followed her into the rajah coffeeshop and I was absolutely amazed what I saw next. There were at least 25 russian women in there waiting to be picked up. 3 different tables. One table was all Uzbek girls. Another table was all Ukraine and the final table was all russian girls.

There is a Thai handler for all the girls. Here is the program: There is no take out. The handlers have rooms set up in the rajah. You pick the girl you want and take her to their short time rooms for Baht 3000. I took one girl (sonya) who is 18 and a dead ringer of jodie foster in the movie taxi driver. Blonde hair, tall and an amazing ass and a great smile.

They come to work at 7 pm (as best as I could figure out and all live int he rajah) and I have been there at 2 am and they were still some there, although the numbers dwindled.

I was the only white falang in the place. Mostly japanese and "abduls". I think white falang hasn't found this wealth of talent.

Since it is a coffee shop, there is no problem to buy a beer and just eye the talent with absolutely no hassle or pressure. But please--do not go talk to the girls. Trust me, the thai handler frowns on that. Keep your distance and look only, drink a beer and check it out.

I thought it was a nice way to spend 3000 baht and I have gone every night to check out if there is new talent.

From the land of smiles,

WS[/quote]For the 3000B fee, how much time? more than 1 shot? Any BBBJ possible? Thanks.

I've checked the link, done a forum search, and Googled and I can't really find out much about this Siam Hotel. It isn't even mentioned in the Bangkok Hotels thread.

Has anyone here stayed there?

It seems well located for hobbyists, but is it worth staying in? How are the rooms, bathrooms, etc?

Also, most important, do they have in-room security boxes/safes?

Thanks in advance.

Naughty

[QUOTE=Redfield10]I'll be in BKK Feb. 1-18th "visiting" with the girls. Ha. And it's just my second time there.

Any suggestions of how to utilize a fitness center or some place to work out near the Majestic Suites? Someone mentioned something on Soi5/1 I think.

Any ideas would be helpful. Do the other hotels allow "outsiders" to use their facilities, etc?

Thanks![/QUOTE]

Are you staying at the Majestic Suites? If so, you can use the fitness center at Majestic Grande for free (just get a authorization slip from the front desk at MS). It's not a bad fitness center - I used it a lot last summer.

[QUOTE=Naughty]I've checked the link, done a forum search, and Googled and I can't really find out much about this Siam Hotel. It isn't even mentioned in the Bangkok Hotels thread.

Has anyone here stayed there?

It seems well located for hobbyists, but is it worth staying in? How are the rooms, bathrooms, etc?

Also, most important, do they have in-room security boxes/safes?

Thanks in advance.

Naughty[/QUOTE]



As far as I know most people use the Siam only as a good pick up location and not for making their staying while in BKK.


PT

So I gathered, Phantom. I'm curious about it as it is well situated for both Soi Cowboy, the Soi 4 and Soi 6 areas off of Ratchadaphisek, the parlors along same, and it appears to be very convenient to both the subway and a Saen Saep water taxi stop..

It's also a little ways away from the madness of Suk, which can be just too much for me sometimes, yet it's close enough to not be a hassle to get over that way.

As it is also apparently well supplied with its own abundant FL action, I can't understand why it isn't used.

It's web site has very little info. I guess I'll just have to go and check it out next time I get to LOS.

I arrived in BKK at 23:40 one day early. I planned to stay at the NaNa as usual. The guy who I had sat next to on the plane said he was staying at the Marriott and already had the limo service waiting so he offered me a ride with him. I tipped the taxi B150 for the ride from the Marriott to the NaNa next door. It was 00:30. The NaNa was booked full and since I was a day early they did not know if they could accomodate me. They told me to leave my bag by the porter and check back in 30 minutes. I went outside to the car park to see the sites and I ran into a friend who had just arrived a couple of hours before. He told me that our other friend who was with him had already taken someone back to the room down the street at the Woraburi, but seeing that he is used to Rio and this being his first trip to LOS he was still trying to take the temperature.

30 minutes passed. I went back to check with the desk clerk. They told me that since I was early they didn't have the superior B1490/day room that I had requested but had the standard B1290/day room. They offered me to change rooms the next day when the other came available. I took my things to the room and headed right outside to the action.

I only brought a pair of jeans and a pair of shorts with me because I had planned to buy everything there to bring back with me. So I went down Sukhumvit toward NaNa station to look for some t-shirts to buy. The only vendors who were out at that time of night were the ones selling womens clothing. Right when I realized that, I saw a nice freelancer that I wanted to bring back to the room. I got the price just where I wanted, B500, but as we started to stroll I mentioned that I wanted to take pictures of her. She said for 500 I could take regular fotos but no nudes. I insisted on nudes and she said I would have to pay more. So, having gauged a probable minimum price I took her off the line and headed back to the car park at NaNa with 500 in my head.

I hung out with my buddy for only a few minutes because it didn't take me long to come up with something to my liking. She had braces; and for some reason I really have a thing for chicks with braces, usually no matter how butt ugly they may be. And once again the price was right. B500 for ST (1hr). When we got to the room she sat on the toilet and used the foam bath with the water spray. I told her that wasn't enough for me. Let's take a shower together. So we both got in and she washed me down. I made sure she was washing herself before I got out to wait for her.

When she got out of the shower I was all lights and camera. I took a few shots of her in different poses but I couldn't wait to get my dick in her mouth. So as she served me up I kept the camera handy. I must have taken 25 shots of her when all was said and done. I made my finale by skeeting on her rug. (I also noticed this time that not many Thai girls shave completely clean.) We took showers again and joked around for a few minutes. I made sure to get her contact info. She said she was going to go home. I suggested that she go back out and try to make more money, but she said she was tired. I told her that I was going to go back out and look for another girl. Although I knew I probably wouldn't bring anybody else to the room for the night I still wanted to establish myself as a butterfly.

On a scale of A, B, C, D, F, with A being excellent, C being average, and F being a disaster, I rate the overall experience as an A. There were no arguments, no confusion, and she did all that I asked with a smile and without hassle.

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[QUOTE=Wilsafris]Hi,

Greetings from Bangkok. I am a sucker for a sexy russian when I am full of rice and I must share with the board a place that I do believe has never been discussed on this board.

I was in front of the dynasty inn soi 4 at around 11 pm 2 days ago and eyed a sexy russian girl. I decided to stalk her to see where she ended up. To my surprise she went into the RaJah Hotel. I am not sure which side street this is, but walking down soi 4 (away from sukhimvit road) you will come to a 7/11 on the Nana Hotel side of soi 4. Take a right there at the 7/11 and you will immediately see the sign for the rajah hotel.

Back to the story. I followed her into the rajah coffeeshop and I was absolutely amazed what I saw next. There were at least 25 russian women in there waiting to be picked up. 3 different tables. One table was all Uzbek girls. Another table was all Ukraine and the final table was all russian girls.

There is a Thai handler for all the girls. Here is the program: There is no take out. The handlers have rooms set up in the rajah. You pick the girl you want and take her to their short time rooms for Baht 3000. I took one girl (sonya) who is 18 and a dead ringer of jodie foster in the movie taxi driver. Blonde hair, tall and an amazing ass and a great smile.

They come to work at 7 pm (as best as I could figure out and all live int he rajah) and I have been there at 2 am and they were still some there, although the numbers dwindled.

I was the only white falang in the place. Mostly japanese and "abduls". I think white falang hasn't found this wealth of talent.

Since it is a coffee shop, there is no problem to buy a beer and just eye the talent with absolutely no hassle or pressure. But please--do not go talk to the girls. Trust me, the thai handler frowns on that. Keep your distance and look only, drink a beer and check it out.

I thought it was a nice way to spend 3000 baht and I have gone every night to check out if there is new talent.

From the land of smiles,

WS

[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]I was in the Rajah to use their internet and I spotted a couple of hot Russian's walking around in lycra. But I wasn't in the coffee shop. Will check it out once I have accommodation sorted out. Spotted one ok looking persian chick outside the grace which I will have to try.

[QUOTE=Wilsafris]There is a Thai handler for all the girls[/QUOTE]I think in his case PIMP would be a little more appropriate LOL

[QUOTE=Wilsafris]I have been there at 2 am and they were still some there, although the numbers dwindled.[/QUOTE]They are @ CM2(basement of Novotel Hotel Siam Square) 2k ST & 4k LT also some hang out at the AM Plaza (Ambassador Hotel Soi 11) 2.5K ST, Grace Hotel 3K ST(Dino Disco), Rajah Hotel (coffee shop)2.5K ST & 7K LT, Mike's place (top floor) 3K ST.

[QUOTE=Wilsafris]I was the only white falang in the place. Mostly japanese and "abduls". I think white falang hasn't found this wealth of talent.[/QUOTE]Local expats and people who can use the internet should know about this place ;)

[QUOTE=Wilsafris]I thought it was a nice way to spend 3000 baht and I have gone every night to check out if there is new talent.[/QUOTE]Actually you can get the Pimp to go down to 2.5k ST ;)

Thanks for the excellent review. What did the Russian Lady allow you to do in the Room?

[QUOTE=Wilsafris]I was the only white falang in the place. Mostly japanese and "abduls". I think white falang hasn't found this wealth of talent.
[/QUOTE]

Believe me, plenty of visitors and ex-pats know about the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] operation at the Rajah and other venues on Soi 3. We just don't want to support it in any way, shape or form.

The women are all run by one East European mob or the other. The Chenchens are the worst. If the women show any sign of independence (like talking to a farang), those guys start cutting the fingers off their children or relatives back home.

The farang hookers in the Rajah and on Soi 3 are the most heavily pimped in LOS. Isaan farm girls who end up in the P4P scene don't have a very good set of options in life, but they have infinitely more freedom, choice and dignity that the wretched creatures in the Rajah.

It's a very bad scene. Unless you get a huge kick out of seeing women degraded, there are a hell of a better places to be in BKK.

But thanks for the fresh intel guys. There are NGOs and international agencies which keep track of such things and they'll be happy for the update.

Evil

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational] B500 for ST (1hr).[/QUOTE]Wow. 500THB for ST + Nude shots is a Great Deal! And she was not bad looking for that price ;)

Anybody know of some good places to watch the Superbowl on Sunday? Preferably on a good quality bigscreen tv with good food and good looking women? I'm in Pattaya now but will be up in BKK staying at the Pennyblack on Soi Cowboy in a couple of days.

Hi All,

I am visiting Bangkok next month and wanted to know about the hotels which have inhouse HCs which provide FS.

I am looking at good star hotels where I can stay and also have fun without going out to search.

If you're around cowboy, don't worry, plenty of places will show the game. starts at 6h30 I believe?

Hi all,

Having a very difficult time finding the famous Phuquer's "5 days in Bangkok" post. Tried all kinds of searches. Can someone please do me a huge favour and post a link for me, I'm heading to BKK for the first time and want to know what I'm in for.

[QUOTE=Napalm]Anybody know of some good places to watch the Superbowl on Sunday? Preferably on a good quality bigscreen tv with good food and good looking women? I'm in Pattaya now but will be up in BKK staying at the Pennyblack on Soi Cowboy in a couple of days.[/QUOTE]The Offshore have something on in soi 23. I believe it starts at 6am on Monday. Best check with the owner first as it might be by invitation only and I am not sure of the timing.

[QUOTE=Napalm]Anybody know of some good places to watch the Superbowl on Sunday? Preferably on a good quality bigscreen tv with good food and good looking women? I'm in Pattaya now but will be up in BKK staying at the Pennyblack on Soi Cowboy in a couple of days.[/QUOTE]

Napalm,

It's going to be difficult finding a spot. The NFL is not a big deal outside of the U.S. and possibly Germany. The rest of the world could care less about the game. Soccer/Football is the big draw around the globe. Don't get me wrong, I'm from the U.S., so I will be watching the game. Just putting it in perspective.

The 2nd problem is the time of the game. It's on at 6:30pm U.S. Eastern time, which would put it on around 6:30am or 7:30am in Bangkok. None of the bars may be open at that time, so no screens to watch it.

Traveling around the world is great, and one of the interesting eye openers is how little you hear about the U.S. outside of Bush bashing and how little you see any U.S. sports on TV anywhere in Asia and Europe. It's improved over the years, but you will be hard pressed to find the game.

AT2

I heard Larry's Dive was going to be open for the Superbowl ;)

[QUOTE=Mistyboy]Hi All,

I am visiting Bangkok next month and wanted to know about the hotels which have inhouse HCs which provide FS.

I am looking at good star hotels where I can stay and also have fun without going out to search.[/QUOTE]

Finding a five-star hotel with a HC that provides FS will be difficult, if not impossible. Some offer inroom massage which may or may not have a Happy End, but the women tend to be older masseuses, skilled in traditional techniques. For them, a "hand release" is a means of relieving tension and isn't intended to be erotic, inline with the Asian take on such things.

But it's not difficult to arrange for a visit by a young woman who's very willing to provide FS. You could speak to a bellboy or call one yourself if you're determined not to leave your room.

Evil

Try this site it is one I used on first trip besides reading what was here. Which was not much I used to log in as Scott many years back This site was posted along with a map at a yahoo site. [url]http://www.one-night-in-bangkok.com/[/url] I hope Jackson does not delete the link as it is info only to nite life here and was posted a long time ago time to renew.

[QUOTE=Billy Bishop]Hi all,

Having a very difficult time finding the famous Phuquer's "5 days in Bangkok" post. Tried all kinds of searches. Can someone please do me a huge favour and post a link for me, I'm heading to BKK for the first time and want to know what I'm in for.[/QUOTE]

Ask and ye shall receive.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=364994&postcount=328[/url]

Actually, I have to update this as there are many new places that I would like to try, and the airport section is completely out of date now. I will wait until my trip in June or July to experience everything firsthand, then I will change it. BUT, most of it still applies. Enjoy your trip.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]
On a scale of A, B, C, D, F, with A being excellent, C being average, and F being a disaster, I rate the overall experience as an A. There were no arguments, no confusion, and she did all that I asked with a smile and without hassle.
[/QUOTE]
Very nice catch! And for the right price!!! Nice work, nice pics. Looking forward to seeing more.

Okay. If you read Day 1 this is a continuation. It is now 3:30 am. I walk downstairs with May (girl from Day 1) to see the leftovers in the lot. I stay outside for about 30 minutes and decide to go sit in the lobby. I met a guy from Detroit who says he comes to LOS about once a month. We sit conversing for about an hour. Then out of God-knows-where a chick carrying a plastic grocery store bag comes walking through the lobby toward the door.

She didn't appear to be a pro, but looked more like she was working at the hotel and had just finished her shift. I was dog tired so I really was not trying to do businees, but because she just happened to be there I called her over and she sat down with us. She didn't really speak English but was able to communicate with me that she was on her way home. In the bag were soap opera styled Thai comic books and a hair brush. She seemed to be the quiet type who usually keeps to herself and doesn't have many friends. She just sat there while I continued my conversation.

It's now 5:15 and I'm trying to hold on until 6 am which is the hour that NaNa cranks up the breakfast buffet. The chick appears pretty tired too; tired enough that I don't think she really wants to go home no matter how close it may be to Suk Soi 4. So I tell her that I'm going to call it a night and ask her if she wants to come with me. I told her that I would give her B500. She jumped right on it without blinking.

When we got to the room I showed her to the shower. Then I got butt nekkit, grabbed the camera and got in the bed. When she came to the bed she had the towel wrapped around her. I told her that she wouldn't be needing that and I removed it. She had keloid scars vertically down her left side, who knows what from, knife fight or operation. But what attracted me was her head full of black hair and tig ol bitties by Thai standards. Anyhow it's 5:30 in the morning. So skip the formalities. I want my dick in your mouth. She gave sign language asking if I had a condom. I said yes but you won't be needing it for this first exercise.

She started sucking but lacked the skill and enthusiasm of a pro. After about 5 minutes I decided to cut her some slack and went for the condom. She wanted to suck more after I put the condom on but I declined. I was ready to drill that ass and fall off to lalaland. I hit it in several positions before I decided I was ready to cum. I fall off to sleep hoping that I wake up in time for breakfast.

It's now 9:40 am and breakfast is over at 10. I would like to cut her up but my stomach comes before sex. I brush my chops and throw on my jeans and white tee. I wake her to say you don't have to go home but your ass gotta get the hell out of my room. It takes her about 5 mintues in the bathroom to get ready to leave. I give her a 500 baht bill and she thanks me. We leave the room together. I did not ask for contact info; besides, she didn't even have a cell phone with her. Now I think that I should have left her sleeping in the room while I went for breakfast and then came back to knock fire from her again. But hindsight is 20/20.

On a scale of A, B, C, D, F, with A being excellent, C being average, and F being a total disaster, I rate the overall experience as a B. Really the only problem was the language barrier. I can only say about 5 things in Thai and none of them deal with mongering. I'm sure that she would have done just about anything that I had asked if I had only known how to ask! I'll be better prepared next time.

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Hi Evil,

Thanks for the info.

Are there any 3 star hotels where i can get such service?

Regards,

Mistyboy

[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]Finding a five-star hotel with a HC that provides FS will be difficult, if not impossible. Some offer inroom massage which may or may not have a Happy End, but the women tend to be older masseuses, skilled in traditional techniques. For them, a "hand release" is a means of relieving tension and isn't intended to be erotic, inline with the Asian take on such things.

But it's not difficult to arrange for a visit by a young woman who's very willing to provide FS. You could speak to a bellboy or call one yourself if you're determined not to leave your room.

Evil[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Phuquer]Ask and ye shall receive.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=364994&postcount=328[/url]

Actually, I have to update this as there are many new places that I would like to try, and the airport section is completely out of date now. I will wait until my trip in June or July to experience everything firsthand, then I will change it. BUT, most of it still applies. Enjoy your trip.[/QUOTE]Excellent read, can't wait to get there. Too bad there wasn't anything about Soi Cowboy, though, I'm thinking that's a place I definately want to hit. Looking forward to your update.

I have been in Asia for the last 5 weeks, and have had more than my share of fun. From the freebies in Bali, which came about thanks to a very cool dating site, to some fun in Dubai, to arriving in BKK 2 days ago, exhausted from working hard in the Middle East, and a sleepless overnight flight from Dubai.
My first day at Livingstone’s was spent sleeping, followed by a nice dinner with the boss, and a friend of his who works too hard, but comes over for a game of pool and drinks every night. What was going to be a relaxing quiet evening turned into me taking one of the “greeter girls” for a bit at 2.30 AM, having had too much to drink.

Wake up at 11, breakfast, and I tell myself I want go a bit crazy, and have some serious fun. Pick up a girl at Beergarden, 25, no kids, fun, and cute. I cant be bothered to drag her all the way back to soi 33, so for the first time ever in all my years in BKK, I experience a ST hotel. On soi 7/1, it is called star something, very close to Eden. This room had mirrored ceilings and also a mirror on the wall, with a small shower in the corner. 300 bt for an hour. We tried to both squeeze into the shower, but that just wasn’t going to work. Excellent service, good attitude, her name is Tuk.

An hour later, I am in Gulliver having a cold one. Just as I decide to walk out, a girl asks me where I am going, usual banter, I tell her I will be right back, I want get some fruit. As I am buying fruit, 2 girls start talking to me, and give me the usual “go with you”. We exchange numbers just in case. Walk back into Gulliver, grab the girl, and off we go. This time to another ST place off soi 3. Round bed, and mirrors everywhere. It was like there were 10 of me, and 10 of her. This girl gave me what might well amount to the best BJ I have ever had. A few fun positions and she tells me she wants me to shoot my load in her mouth. I hate to disappoint.

It is now 8.30 PM, I head back to the lodge, and have dinner. The food there is very good by the way, and the setting is quite nice too.

G’s friend arrives, and he and I play a few games of pool. I am not noticing anything in there that tickles my fancy, and then my phone rings, it is the 2 girls fro earlier. “Hello, we want come take care youuuuuu”. I meet them out in the street, and we head over to coliseum, a fun bar with goofy live music, but lots of pretty girls by the way. For someone in BKK for more that 3 days, who has the time and energy to invest, this would be a good place to pick up a nice non pro.

Finally back to my room, where we all hop into the extra large Jacuzzi, and I am washed by 4 hands and 2 tongues, from head to toe. It feels good to be king of one’s Jacuzzi.

My problrm with 3sums is there is always one I like better than the other, so I spend more time playing with her. It probably isn’t really a problem for the one who is being partially ingnored, I just tell her to suck me when I am kissing the other, or massage me when I am fucking the other. In all fairness, I did fuck them both. I was hoping for a little girl on girl action, but that was politely refused. We all snuggled up together and got 5 hours sleep, after which I promptly asked them to leave.

Downs for some breakfast, and I make one last call, to a good MSC of mine. She is there within the hour, and gives me a royal send off, extremely pleased (or so she says) that I chose her to be the last one of the trip.

Fuck, I need a vacation.

[QUOTE=Roady1]Is there any place in BKK that offers a "basket fuck"?[/QUOTE]

OK, I'll bite....what is a basket fuck"?

Nicfrenchy, not sure if any of the soi cowboy bars are open at 630am, since I'm always asleep at that time but I guess I'll find out. What's Larry's Dive... or do I not want to know!

AT2, yeah it's funny how the rest of the world is really into soccer (or as they call it football) and we're not. Of course we're one of the few countries not on the metric system yet so I guess we just like to do our own thing. Maybe now that Beckham is going to promote the sport in the states it will gain some traction there... but I doubt it.

Marcusbkk, thanks for the heads up on The Offshore, I'll check that out.

[QUOTE=Napalm]Nicfrenchy, not sure if any of the soi cowboy bars are open at 630am, since I'm always asleep at that time but I guess I'll find out. What's Larry's Dive... or do I not want to know! [/QUOTE]Larry's Dive is a nice & Friendly bar on soi 22 (Washington square)

website: [url]http://www.larrysdive.com/e_bangkok.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Shomohin]OK, I'll bite....what is a basket fuck"?[/QUOTE]Found this on a yahoo search:

"You need someone small i.e. a spinner,

A basket (one of those basket chairs made of cane or wicker or even soft rope like a hammock chair) The ones overseas were a wicker type but the soft knotted rope type would work out much better for both parties you know the hammock chairs you see at the import shops.

A rope and a pulley or a large spring.

The basket is hung from the ceiling on the rope from the pulley or the spring. The man lies down on the floor and the sweetie sits in the basket legs crossed or knees up, a hole is placed in the right spot of the basket / chair and well I think you can understand from here."

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational] I can only say about 5 things in Thai and none of them deal with mongering. I'm sure that she would have done just about anything that I had asked if I had only known how to ask! I'll be better prepared next time.

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When it cums to sex in LOS, 5 words is about all you need to know. All you need is to either point or touch yours/or her part of the body and she will know what to do or refuse that suggestion.
Anything over 5 words is a conversation and then you're getting serious-ha ha



cheers


PT

As I had it explained to me, the operation usually invovles 2 girls. The first girl is a fluffer who strokes and sucks your dick to get it hard and ready. The second girl is in some sort of basket with her pussy facing straight down. The girl and the basket are wound up and then lowered onto your prick. From what I've heard she's supposed to unwind rather quickly which produces an amazing ride for the customer below.

It sounds like a good idea. Most fucking stimulates just the base of your cock. With a basket fuck, the head and shaft get a lot more attention.

I remember my uncles talking about these when they were in the navy back in the 80's. Honestly, I don't know if a basket fuck really exists. Maybe it's just an old sailor's tale told to friends back home just to watch their jaws drop. Maybe they were in the Philippines and I'm looking in the wrong place. Although, if this act was actually performed anywhere in the Eastern Hemisphere, I can't imagine that it has not made it's way to Bangkok.

Phuquer,

Nice report. Thanks for digging it out for all of us. Does the new Suvarnabhumi airport have a place where you can get a farewell massage before leaving Bangkok?

[QUOTE=1Ball]My problrm with 3sums is there is always one I like better than the other, so I spend more time playing with her. It probably isn’t really a problem for the one who is being partially ingnored, I just tell her to suck me when I am kissing the other, or massage me when I am fucking the other. In all fairness, I did fuck them both. I was hoping for a little girl on girl action, but that was politely refused. We all snuggled up together and got 5 hours sleep, after which I promptly asked them to leave.

Downs for some breakfast, and I make one last call, to a good MSC of mine. She is there within the hour, and gives me a royal send off, extremely pleased (or so she says) that I chose her to be the last one of the trip.

Fuck, I need a vacation.[/QUOTE]

I am sorely disappointed in you. A proper gentleman would have at least invited them to breakfast before telling them to leave. And Giotto would have appreciated being able to add 2 breakfasts to your bill.

ESPN or STAR Sports will surely broadcast, and so you will probably get it at your hotel room, a good idea at 6.30 am !

[QUOTE=Montecristo]ESPN or STAR Sports will surely broadcast, and so you will probably get it at your hotel room, a good idea at 6.30 am ![/QUOTE]I am quite certain they will also show it on Thai Channels. they did last year.

Even if you don't have cable, you should be able to watch the game, commented in Thai LOL

[QUOTE=1Ball]...
Downs for some breakfast, and I make one last call, to a good MSC of mine. She is there within the hour, and gives me a royal send off, extremely pleased (or so she says) that I chose her to be the last one of the trip.

Fuck, I need a vacation.[/QUOTE]Mr. Vice President,

if I count correctly you made it 5 times in 24 hours ...

You are getting old, OldThaiHand still keeps the record with 5 times in 5 hours!


Giotto

Was there about weeks ago and visited Catherine.

Entered the place and went straight to one of the helpers and asked him to suggest one friend. This so because it was quite late and that there were not many in the fishbowl.

He paged for one and what a surprise. #75 walks in and is a beauty. She wast NOT in the bowl. A stunner.

Regular concept with all the the positions session BUT with two things on her in mind. Fingering and licking the ass and the GFE. It was totally out of this wolrd.

Damage: 1600.00 + 100.00 to the helper.

Seems that the price is coming down or you need a helper to convince the establishment that you are a local.

[QUOTE=Mistyboy]Hi Evil,

Thanks for the info.

Are there any 3 star hotels where i can get such service?

Regards,

Mistyboy[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I don't know. Maybe another member can help you. If there is, it's more likely to be in a hotel that caters primarily to Asian business travelers (Japanese, Korean, Taiwanese, etc.).

Evil

[QUOTE=Mistyboy]Are there any 3 star hotels where i can get such service?
[/QUOTE]Not sure about the star rating but Euro Grande (former Euro inn) on soi 31 has Euro Massage on the 3rd floor... and the ladies definitely offer FS.

You can also have the massage in your room ;)

[url]http://euromassage.allabout-thailand.com/[/url]

There are also a few reports in the Massage Parlor section.

i was a little bored last night and instead of going for an oily i decided to stroll the bars in sc.

baccara was my first stop, although they charge 130thb for a drink, i like to spend a little time upstairs.

the usual happy bunch is up there, some new faces but nothing exceptional. one girl (petite, fat, ugly. in my eyes) is called by a japanese client. her behaviour and body language was apalling. when the waitress called her, she asked which table and then frowned. upon arriving at the table, she barely greeted the japanese bloke and sat there clearly unhappy with her ld. the japanese was nice and gentle with her but she was showing way too much disrespect. i personally would have dismissed her nastily, but the jap looked like he was going to stick with her.

anyways, i decided to go to rawhide and peer at the shower show when a girl dragged me into jungle jim's.

now this is a place where i would have never set foot on purpose. the fact that she draged me got me a little curious and i "went with the flow". she was cute enough. we enter and i am not impressed with the bar. at all. seedy place. still, i decide to have a beer before i leave.

the lady takes me et the back and sits me down.

i haven't had time to settle down that already 2 ladies (including the one who dragged me down) were on each of my sides. the lady on my left was licking my ear and the one on my right rubbing my cock.

i order a beer and a coke for each girls.

we clink glasses and before you know it one girl has a bare breast in my hand and her tongue down my throat while the second is unzipping my pants.

across from us are 4 ladies in green robes (the style of robes stallone wears in his rocky movies) are staring and laughing. here i am, in the bar getting a hj and dfk groping on some tits. to be honest, the whole thing happened in less than 5 minutes. once i regained consciousness, i asked the hj lady to stop and put the sausage back inside the pants. both ladies are now down on me, up close and as they are both wearing skirts, i venture my hands to see if they wear any panties. both ladies remove my hands from under their skirts and start to clean them with some freshener towels, every 10 fingers. once done, they wink and tell me that i can now get them under the skirt (great! very clean, i like this). both were wearing panties but i pushed them aside (the panties) and got a finger inside both pussies. both girls were trying to entice me to book the "room upstairs". 400 thb barfine, 250 or 300 for the room, 1000 for each girl. 3000thb total for a nice threesome at jj on sc. tempting, but i did not indulge.

stayed in jj about 25 minutes. cost: 500 thb (275 thb for the drinks, 25 tip in the tray, 100 tip for each girl). they were happy and asked me to come again.

i will definitely do that.

[QUOTE=Roady1]As I had it explained to me, the operation usually invovles 2 girls. The first girl is a fluffer who strokes and sucks your dick to get it hard and ready. The second girl is in some sort of basket with her pussy facing straight down. The girl and the basket are wound up and then lowered onto your prick. From what I've heard she's supposed to unwind rather quickly which produces an amazing ride for the customer below.

It sounds like a good idea. Most fucking stimulates just the base of your cock. With a basket fuck, the head and shaft get a lot more attention.

I remember my uncles talking about these when they were in the navy back in the 80's. Honestly, I don't know if a basket fuck really exists. Maybe it's just an old sailor's tale told to friends back home just to watch their jaws drop. Maybe they were in the Philippines and I'm looking in the wrong place. Although, if this act was actually performed anywhere in the Eastern Hemisphere, I can't imagine that it has not made it's way to Bangkok.[/QUOTE]

I believe this was a staple of some of the "B" movies in Japan, usually set in the Samurai era. Most of the films were in the mid 70's to early 80's, which would coincide with your uncles stories. I have never heard of it actually taking place anywhere.

AT2