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[QUOTE=Hioctane]It's very dicey what you should do in these situations. They could very well be the real policia. You can't tell if they show you a fake ID. You can't run because the real policia might shoot you. Sometimes it's better to just pay them off because you're on vacation. I suggest to minimize losses. Only carry with you what will get you through the day. In addition, have 2 stacks of money. 1 hidden and one small stack in your front pockets (not too small that they'll want to shake your pockets for more).[/QUOTE]I agree 100% about having 2 stacks of money, but there's nothing "dicey" about this situation. Just say nothing else, and walk away fast or run away. The only undercover police in Colombia that I know of are the ones working against the narco-trafficking. There was a story of 12 female undercover agents that befriended and seduced (lol!, they must have been recruited from a strip joint) members of a pilot cartel.

The police in Colombia, the real ones anyway who are in uniform, are trustworthy for the most part. It's not like in Mexico or Brazil where you might be equally concerned of both the cops and the crooks. The only likely situation I can think of where a gringo tourist might be detained is if he was caught buying a joint in a public, outdoors setting (that's what bathrooms are for); maybe also for just smoking it in public; but just look around and see what the locals are doing and that should give you a good idea what's ok and what's not.

Not my thing really but just an fyi for those who do it.

[QUOTE=Hioctane]It's very dicey what you should do in these situations. They could very well be the real policia. You can't tell if they show you a fake ID. You can't run because the real policia might shoot you. Sometimes it's better to just pay them off because you're on vacation. I suggest to minimize losses. Only carry with you what will get you through the day. In addition, have 2 stacks of money. 1 hidden and one small stack in your front pockets (not too small that they'll want to shake your pockets for more).[/QUOTE]Its not as dicey when they let you make contact to the "real" police, That's why it is better to have these numbers (as mentioned in my text) IN your cell phone. Real police will NOT bother you want to call tourist police. As they understand you are comitted to your own safety. And "if" they bother. Remain in PUBLIC on the STREET. Sooner or later, they will let you go, as their game won't work.. Also when it "would" be real police. They know, they cannot touch you with their game. Giving in to them = loosing. Sticking to your correct intentions and remaining determined is your best shot.

I "do" agree about your 2 stacks option of money. Though the best is to keep a daily volume and no more in your pockets or any place you feel comfortable with. Keep the rest in a safe place in your hotel. A safe deposit box or even under the TV set (cleaning women don't move a TV set to clean your room. It's too heavy for them anyway)

This has happened to me. They will accept pesos Luckily I didn't have too much on me.

This scam ramps up so slowly so by the time alarm bells start ringing in your head you're already in danger. I agree about the potential for this to turn violent, so I did what I was told and got out as soon as I could.

What *I* would do next time this happens would be to tell him his I'd card is fake and walk off. If he persists, then insist he calls a uniformed patrol. Go into a large store if necessary and ask them to call 112 to report a fake cop.

I'm thinking this would cya if it turned out is *was* a real one. Whatever you do don't go off the populated area with them.

[QUOTE=Cream on Top]A new treat is occuring nowadays to victimize tourists. An old guy presents himself as a tourist, asking a road or something else. This happens MID DAY in bright daylight! Meanwhile, a few feet away, another guy is observing and listening what answers are been given to the old man. Once the old man get a reply to make understand he is talking to a tourist, the "other" guy comes into action. Showing a false Police ID to you and the old man, and asks you and the old man to follow him for a police interrogation. The "other" guy is well dressed with a tie and everything, but in civil clothings. Presenting himself as an undercover agent to protect tourists and people against drug abuse and sales of drugs on the street. Once you follow him (you and the old guy), there will be explained, the police interrogation in the police station will take 2 upto 3 hours, and "if" you like, you can handle the interrogation a block (or something) away from the "fake" police station to win time. You are demanded to show your passport, open your bag (or anything you carry with you) for a check up. They take notice of your passport number, name, want your home address (a complete set up to make it look realistic). Others are into the game as well, once you make allegations you do not belief him. Same "gogo" with men having false police ID's. They take your passport and move on so you cannot see him anymore, return after a few minutes and tel you the station now is looking for information about your passport meanwhile they ask you how much money you have with you. Want you to show the money. They also ask the old man to do the same (who is standing next to you). As an example the old man gives a bunch of US dollars to the fake Police officer. He looks at the dollars and tells the old man, he will return in a few minutes with his money. And so he does. (it is to verify the serial numbers of the dollar bills). Next are YOU! You will do, as the old man (believe me! They are "VERY" convincing). Once you counted your money in front of them, they will take over the money (as they did with the old man, to check the numbers on the bills), then you can start to panic, but it is too late! He turns away from you (so you see his back and made a few passes away from you), you ask him to come back, because you do not longer trust the situation. But in the meantime they will have taken out money from your bundle you gave to him. (and not the outside bills, but from within the "inside"). He will return, to show trust in you! Hands over to you your money again. You will put away your money "immediately" without counting it, because you know, its not safe to show off your money on the street like that. He will tell you, that you "seem" ok, and will bring you back to the spot where you have been first contacted. Meanwhile telling you stories how dangerous it can be and to be alert for anything. You will get the hell out of there, because you feel very bad. Once returned to your hotel, and checking your money you WILL see, there is a bunch missing!

Contacting the Police afterwards, does not make a lot of sense. They are aware of this "new" treat, but cannot do a lot. These guys work very "efficient", "quickly on scene somewhere in the city", and vanish as quickly as they come into an area, to return to another aera the next day. Probably they only work for about 30 up to 60 minutes maximum, so they will not get caught.

BEWARE!

My advice: walk with a minimum of foreign money into this area. They do not seem to be interested in Colombian Pesos (I had 400. 000 Pesos on me and did not take away any bill. But search and take Dollars and Euro.

Stay calm, It is possible they have firearms, knives or something else with them.

When they talk about the police station they want to bring you, DO NOT follow them. Their story "may" alter, but be sure, there is NO police station, where they want to bring you. Ask them IMMEDIATELY to call a patrol car to bring you to this "so called" police station (and not an "ordinary" taxi or car) got it?

Remain in PUBLIC and on the STREET, do not go with them into a closed place away from the crowd. So you are at ANY moment surrounded by "other" people.

Stick on your opinion: YOU WANT an official investigator, in official police clothes and an official police car to bring you to the Police station! Be sure, they will LOOSE the game when you stick to this!

If possible, once you are in Bogota, put in your cell phone the official number of a police station, and or tourist police office. CAll them the moment you run into these guys, when they don't stop to bug you.

Tourist Police (Policía de turismo). Phones: (571) 337-4413. 243-1175

Metropolitan Police (Policía Metropolitana). Phone: 112

Centro Internacional

Carrera 13 #2 6-62.

Sede Policía de Turismo

Phones: (571) 337-4413. 243-1175

Office hours: From 7:00 am to 7:00 pm

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If guys bothered to do any research before coming to Colombia, they'd know this is a very very old scam (one of many I should add) and goes back 25 years or more.

Get real.

Don't carry any money

Don't carry a passport

Don't talk to any stranger that approaches you

Keep walking.

OR. Ask to see their ID

Tell them you live in Medellin and lets to to a Police station of your own choice.

Pretend to make a call to a Colombian friend who is coming to help you.

Last resort. Start shouting POLICIA and screaming. That always works

[quote=bango cheito]i would not travel by land south of cali this point at any hour. it's too dangerous. a friend of mine almost died in january. 5 crazy motherfuckers with guns tried to blockade the van (he was touring with a band) and when the van didn't stop they rep001tered and the opened fire on the vehicle. the driver had his cheek grazed by a bullet.

detroit is on the whole more dangerous than just about anywhere in colombia, but the difference is in detroit there are really safe areas and really fucked up areas and everybody knows where they are. in colombian cities, crime is a lot more democratic. it can hit you in the best of surroundings.[/quote]a colombiana friend from pasto takes the bus up to cali from time to time. i was thinking to travel with her next time (a couple weeks from now, actually) stopping over in popayan, then on to pasto. haven't heard anything about this being unsafe until your story, which obviously gives reason to pause.

[quote=speedyg50]don't carry any money[/quote]not very practical advice that, is it?

[quote=speedyg50]ask to see their id[/quote]you missed the point: they *have* id.

Hi Guys,

Me and my buddy were down in Cartagena last week. I'm 24, he's 22. We met two super hot girls at a club, 17 year old both of them. No talk of money or anything like that. They were clearly to be had, but I chickened out because I just don't know the law on age. Been to Cuba a couple of times and there it's like the crime of the century to be with a girl under 18.

So I read the age of consent is 14 in Colombia, but does that go for foreigners as well?

We are heading down again in a few weeks, so basically would just like to know if we can hang out (and more) with these two girls without breaking any laws.

What I (think I) understand is that 18 is minimum age for prostitution, but keep in mind we are not looking for this.

[QUOTE=Mesocorny]Hi Guys,

Me and my buddy were down in Cartagena last week. I'm 24, he's 22. We met two super hot girls at a club, 17 year old both of them. No talk of money or anything like that. They were clearly to be had, but I chickened out because I just don't know the law on age. Been to Cuba a couple of times and there it's like the crime of the century to be with a girl under 18.

So I read the age of consent is 14 in Colombia, but does that go for foreigners as well?

We are heading down again in a few weeks, so basically would just like to know if we can hang out (and more) with these two girls without breaking any laws.

What I (think I) understand is that 18 is minimum age for prostitution, but keep in mind we are not looking for this.[/QUOTE]Lets see two guys aged 22 and 24. There are thousands of girls dying to hang with you at least 18 years old. Why look for possible trouble? You are right IMHO about the age laws, but the 14 age is mostly considered for Colombians not Gringo's. Also forget for a minute the law and think about possible trouble with the familys of these girls. That could be far worse than a law hassle.

if you are coming fron the u. s stay away from **** girls. it may be legal there, i don't remember because i don't want them, but you can be prosecuted in the usa for the little deed. no need to take a chance. eighteen and up only.

[QUOTE=Mesocorny]Hi Guys,

Me and my buddy were down in Cartagena last week. I'm 24, he's 22. We met two super hot girls at a club, 17 year old both of them. No talk of money or anything like that. They were clearly to be had, but I chickened out because I just don't know the law on age. Been to Cuba a couple of times and there it's like the crime of the century to be with a girl under 18.

So I read the age of consent is 14 in Colombia, but does that go for foreigners as well?

We are heading down again in a few weeks, so basically would just like to know if we can hang out (and more) with these two girls without breaking any laws.

What I (think I) understand is that 18 is minimum age for prostitution, but keep in mind we are not looking for this.[/QUOTE]It's been covered many times. I believe most countries say it's the age of consent in your home country. To be on the safe side, stick to 18 and above. Worse thing is to be arrested in a foreign country.

Guys,

Thanks for the responses. I get the moral thing. That was really not my question. My question was pure law.

I am from England. Luckily not under U.S laws anywhere in the world.

It's not about just finding a hole. Easy to say there are plenty of 18 or 25 year olds. Sure. But if the girl I am interested in is indeed 17 then I can't just take the next in line who is 22 - just because she is 22.

I did search first, found no facts, but plenty of answers like the ones below. Thanks for those, but no clear legal answer yet.

So interested in pure law. What is the legal age of consent IN COLOMBIA for sex without pay?

Hello, Gents,

I'm a long-time observer, but rare contributor. I've spent many days in Brazil, the DR and throughout Africa, however now, I would like to try Colombia. The ladies there judging from the pictures you gentlemen post are impressive to say the least. I've read this forum extensively and learned quite a bit about the game (many thanks), and tried to ascertain the answer from simply reading. Nevertheless, my question remains.

Where and how would you recommend I go about having the best experience money can buy in Colombia? Specifically, what hotel/apartments should I consider? Any upscale-escort services I should be aware of? Is there yet another way to contact English-speaking model-quality women? Any particular city that would have exceptional accommodations? In essence, if money were no object, describe what you would lay-out for yourselves on your next trip to Colombia.

Thanks in advance for all your useful and serious replies.

Nkosiman

[QUOTE=Mesocorny]Guys,

Thanks for the responses. I get the moral thing. That was really not my question. My question was pure law.

I am from England. Luckily not under U.S laws anywhere in the world.

It's not about just finding a hole. Easy to say there are plenty of 18 or 25 year olds. Sure. But if the girl I am interested in is indeed 17 then I can't just take the next in line who is 22 - just because she is 22.

I did search first, found no facts, but plenty of answers like the ones below. Thanks for those, but no clear legal answer yet.

So interested in pure law. What is the legal age of consent IN COLOMBIA for sex without pay?[/QUOTE]I see what you mean.. In England it appears to be 16. I think to be on the safe side, it should be no less than your home country if it is greater than your destination country.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_South_America#Colombia[/url]

Find somewhere else to discuss regular girls. Further discussion like this, however "innocent" WILL bring the feminazis and LE.

Stop it. Period.

[QUOTE=Nkosiman]Hello, Gents,

I'm a long-time observer, but rare contributor. I've spent many days in Brazil, the DR and throughout Africa, however now, I would like to try Colombia. The ladies there judging from the pictures you gentlemen post are impressive to say the least. I've read this forum extensively and learned quite a bit about the game (many thanks), and tried to ascertain the answer from simply reading. Nevertheless, my question remains.

Where and how would you recommend I go about having the best experience money can buy in Colombia? Specifically, what hotel/apartments should I consider? Any upscale-escort services I should be aware of? Is there yet another way to contact English-speaking model-quality women? Any particular city that would have exceptional accommodations? In essence, if money were no object, describe what you would lay-out for yourselves on your next trip to Colombia.

Thanks in advance for all your useful and serious replies.

Nkosiman[/QUOTE]You do not mention if you have any Spanish speaking ablity. No matter what if you have money to burn then go to CTG. Get a nice apartment near the beach and LDV. Hang out at LDV after 11PM and if the girls don't suit you there then take a short taxi ride to the Old City and go to Isis. The girls there are awesome but expensive. If I had plenty of money that is what I would do.

Ah well, to complicate things even further :-) I am Swedish living in England. Swedish national. 15 years age of consent there. Not that I am interested in girls that age, but it should be possible to ask a pure law question (and an important one for men who travel like we do at that!) on these forums without being asked not to. I am clearly not asking for tips on how to find under 18 prepagos or anything like that.

Thanks for the answers although I have to say I am still confused.

[QUOTE=Hioctane]I see what you mean.. In England it appears to be 16. I think to be on the safe side, it should be no less than your home country if it is greater than your destination country.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_South_America#Colombia[/url][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mesocorny]Hi Guys,

Me and my buddy were down in Cartagena last week. I'm 24, he's 22. We met two super hot girls at a club, 17 year old both of them. No talk of money or anything like that. They were clearly to be had, but I chickened out because I just don't know the law on age. Been to Cuba a couple of times and there it's like the crime of the century to be with a girl under 18.

So I read the age of consent is 14 in Colombia, but does that go for foreigners as well?

We are heading down again in a few weeks, so basically would just like to know if we can hang out (and more) with these two girls without breaking any laws.

What I (think I) understand is that 18 is minimum age for prostitution, but keep in mind we are not looking for this.[/QUOTE]You are a fool. I sure get the fact that you are 24 and your buddy 22. I rate you and your post as "bulado of the year".

Please get yourself to Colombia asap, I can't wait to read about you in the newspaper.

Why is it that folks don't read what has come before, easy, today's crop of 24 and 22 year olds in the EE.UU can't read.

YMMV,

Jazz

[QUOTE=Vics Picks]You do not mention if you have any Spanish speaking ablity. No matter what if you have money to burn then go to CTG. Get a nice apartment near the beach and LDV. Hang out at LDV after 11PM and if the girls don't suit you there then take a short taxi ride to the Old City and go to Isis. The girls there are awesome but expensive. If I had plenty of money that is what I would do.[/QUOTE]He mentioned he is looking for English speaking, so he probably doesn't speak any Spanish.

Mesocorny,

To answer your question directly. The age of consent here in Colombia is the age of consent in Sweden for you, which is 15. Thats all you need to know.

I wouldnt play with fire. Try maduras.

For US citizens, this law applies, appearing to rule out, in draconian fashion, relations with under-18

[url]http://www.justice.gov/criminal/ceos/trafficking.html[/url]

A little more law for you'll

[url]http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2423.html[/url]

Caveat emptor!

[QUOTE=Nkosiman]Hello, Gents,

I'm a long-time observer, but rare contributor. I've spent many days in Brazil, the DR and throughout Africa, however now, I would like to try Colombia. The ladies there judging from the pictures you gentlemen post are impressive to say the least. I've read this forum extensively and learned quite a bit about the game (many thanks), and tried to ascertain the answer from simply reading. Nevertheless, my question remains.

Where and how would you recommend I go about having the best experience money can buy in Colombia? Specifically, what hotel/apartments should I consider? Any upscale-escort services I should be aware of? Is there yet another way to contact English-speaking model-quality women? Any particular city that would have exceptional accommodations? In essence, if money were no object, describe what you would lay-out for yourselves on your next trip to Colombia.

Thanks in advance for all your useful and serious replies.

Nkosiman[/QUOTE]If money were no object for me, I would be in Sao Paulo. But you say you've been to Brasil and moving on to Colombia.

Medellin would be my stop. I would rent an amazing house (not penthouse b/c of the traffic/noise and not wanting to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off neighbors) and pay two or three guys that come highly recommended to just bring me hotties (and whatever else I need) all day long. I'd give the guys a commission of USD$50 for every girl they bring (they and the girl would get nothing if the girl is less than an stunner) and pay the girl $75 for a session and $100-$150 for the night.

My only venturing out would be maybe to hit the clubs, to eat and gamble at the casinos.

I am thinking about making it over to one of the Colombian cities during holy week. I understand about this time frame in Latin America, but I am wondering if Bogota, Medellin or Cali would just be completely dead with many businesses closed, in particular the clubs and casas?

chesrep001 and bayboy, thanks for useful info and links.

jazzplayer: a fool is someone who don't familiarize himself with the law and just goes ahead. oh and you're a fool as well, but a different kind.

[QUOTE=Tj Texan]I am thinking about making it over to one of the Colombian cities during holy week. I understand about this time frame in Latin America, but I am wondering if Bogota, Medellin or Cali would just be completely dead with many businesses closed, in particular the clubs and casas?[/QUOTE]Any action spot in Latin America is dead, muerto, morto during holy week. Same as Christmas.

I'm surprised this subject even comes up as often as it does.

Forget about it.

All the best, Schwmm

[QUOTE=Bonhead]If money were no object for me, I would be in Sao Paulo. But you say you've been to Brasil and moving on to Colombia.

Medellin would be my stop. I would rent an amazing house (not penthouse b/c of the traffic/noise and not wanting to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off neighbors) and pay two or three guys that come highly recommended to just bring me hotties (and whatever else I need) all day long. I'd give the guys a commission of USD$50 for every girl they bring (they and the girl would get nothing if the girl is less than an stunner) and pay the girl $75 for a session and $100-$150 for the night.

My only venturing out would be maybe to hit the clubs, to eat and gamble at the casinos.[/QUOTE]If money was no object, I'd be in Macau. You're treated like a king and you don't have your choice of 10 but 100 beautiful women at one time.

[QUOTE=Schwmmr]Any action spot in Latin America is dead, muerto, morto during holy week. Same as Christmas.

I'm surprised this subject even comes up as often as it does.

Forget about it.

All the best, Schwmm[/QUOTE]These times is when your little black book comes in handy.

[QUOTE=Hioctane]If money was no object, I'd be in Macau. You're treated like a king and you don't have your choice of 10 but 100 beautiful women at one time.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and they're all Asian if that's the kind of beauty you prefer. And imported, too: go to their home countries and pick them up much cheaper. Been there recently? They only Russians still in town are ones doing the stage shows in the casinos.

Any of you know how hard is it for a Colombian chica to get a visa to Panama? I spent several evenings with this Colombian chica recently in the Caribbean. She is going back to Colombia soon. I can't make it to Colombia anytime soon (long story) but I can make it to Panama. Before I ask her to come see me in Panama, I would like to know how complicated it is for her to get a visa to Panama and how much cash it may set me back.

Thank you

V

[QUOTE=Vitrea]Any of you know how hard is it for a Colombian chica to get a visa to Panama? I spent several evenings with this Colombian chica recently in the Caribbean. She is going back to Colombia soon. I can't make it to Colombia anytime soon (long story) but I can make it to Panama. Before I ask her to come see me in Panama, I would like to know how complicated it is for her to get a visa to Panama and how much cash it may set me back.

Thank you

V[/QUOTE]If she can get to the Caribbean she can get to Panama.

There is no problem getting a short term visa to Panama. I think they can do it at the airport. Just a a short time ago no visa at all was required.

[QUOTE=Vitrea]Any of you know how hard is it for a Colombian chica to get a visa to Panama? I spent several evenings with this Colombian chica recently in the Caribbean. She is going back to Colombia soon. I can't make it to Colombia anytime soon (long story) but I can make it to Panama. Before I ask her to come see me in Panama, I would like to know how complicated it is for her to get a visa to Panama and how much cash it may set me back.

Thank you

V[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zingadoon]Yeah, and they're all Asian if that's the kind of beauty you prefer. And imported, too: go to their home countries and pick them up much cheaper. Been there recently? They only Russians still in town are ones doing the stage shows in the casinos.[/QUOTE]This guy was talking about money being no object.

I haven't been there yet, but I'm itching to go.. The 16 hour flight, double price of flight and the 2-3x cost of women don't make me in a rush to go though.

If money and time was no object I would experience every country on earth.

[QUOTE=Vitrea]Any of you know how hard is it for a Colombian chica to get a visa to Panama? I spent several evenings with this Colombian chica recently in the Caribbean. She is going back to Colombia soon. I can't make it to Colombia anytime soon (long story) but I can make it to Panama. Before I ask her to come see me in Panama, I would like to know how complicated it is for her to get a visa to Panama and how much cash it may set me back.

Thank you

V[/QUOTE]Colombians do not need a visa to visit Panama. They have to have a minimum of 500 dollars in cash and they have to purchase a round trip ticket
. I know this because I dated a Colombian girl and she would come to Panama to visit me on diving trips in Panama.

[QUOTE=Hioctane]This guy was talking about money being no object.

I haven't been there yet, but I'm itching to go.. The 16 hour flight, double price of flight and the 2-3x cost of women don't make me in a rush to go though.

If money and time was no object I would experience every country on earth.[/QUOTE]Believe I posted about this after I was in Macau back in January. Yeah, its another box to check, and not really an expensive one. Thing is, you want to go to every country to experience the local girls: in Macau, they're all imported. Its like doing Colombianas in Panama or Costa Rica: all biz and no fun.

[QUOTE=Shark Bait]Colombians do not need a visa to visit Panama. They have to have a minimum of 500 dollars in cash and they have to purchase a round trip ticket
. I know this because I dated a Colombian girl and she would come to Panama to visit me on diving trips in Panama.[/QUOTE]Hah! Diving. Just like I am planning on doing. Thank you guys. You guys are awesome. What are your favorite diving places in Panama? If you think that is off topic, you can can PM me.

I dove off of Santa Catalina two years ago the diving was OK but the beach and remote setting was a blast.

[QUOTE=Zingadoon]Believe I posted about this after I was in Macau back in January. Yeah, its another box to check, and not really an expensive one. Thing is, you want to go to every country to experience the local girls: in Macau, they're all imported. Its like doing Colombianas in Panama or Costa Rica: all biz and no fun.[/QUOTE]I don't know what you consider expensive.. I just read a report about Macau. $250 for 1/hr is a tad bit expensive even if you are getting a spa treatment in addition.

She said that she wanted to go to Mexico but could not or would not be able to get a visa! I don't remember the specifics. Are Mexican visas hard for Colombian chicas? Any information is appreciated.

I am a US citizen with good friends in Mexico who are Mexican citizens. Can or my mexican friends some how "sponsor" her to come see me in Mexico or is it a useless venture?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Vitrea]She said that she wanted to go to Mexico but could not or would not be able to get a visa! I don't remember the specifics. Are Mexican visas hard for Colombian chicas? Any information is appreciated.

I am a US citizen with good friends in Mexico who are Mexican citizens. Can or my mexican friends some how "sponsor" her to come see me in Mexico or is it a useless venture?

Thanks[/QUOTE]I believe they don't need visas for anywhere in South America. Getting a visa involves having bank accounts and money in it which most don't have.

[QUOTE=Hioctane]I don't know what you consider expensive.. I just read a report about Macau. $250 for 1/hr is a tad bit expensive even if you are getting a spa treatment in addition.[/QUOTE]Someone may have paid that; I did not. If you ever get around to planning a trip there, or just have idle curiousity, take it to the Macau forum, or send a PM and I'll halp you with any questions.

[QUOTE=Hioctane]I believe they don't need visas for anywhere in South America. Getting a visa involves having bank accounts and money in it which most don't have.[/QUOTE] Colombianas don't need visas for Brazil and Peru. Know because I took one to both places recently. When we were researching places to go, it is astonishing to see how many countries require visas of Colombians. Including S. American countries. Better to stick with Brasilieras to take with you on your 'round the world jaunts. Or at least to the sex-deprived countries.

[QUOTE=Vitrea]She said that she wanted to go to Mexico but could not or would not be able to get a visa! I don't remember the specifics. Are Mexican visas hard for Colombian chicas? Any information is appreciated.

I am a US citizen with good friends in Mexico who are Mexican citizens. Can or my mexican friends some how "sponsor" her to come see me in Mexico or is it a useless venture?

Thanks[/QUOTE]As far as I know Mexico is the hardest country in SA to issue a visa for the rest of the continent. Brasil and Chile had free entry but not anymore. So if she has no bank account will be as hard as getting a US visa. You know, tourist visa with a round trip to Cancun reservations in a good hotel and money to spend, a propriety and good job in Colombia are a most to present.

[QUOTE=Dealdo]As far as I know Mexico is the hardest country in SA to issue a visa for the rest of the continent. Brasil and Chile had free entry but not anymore. So if she has no bank account will be as hard as getting a US visa. You know, tourist visa with a round trip to Cancun reservations in a good hotel and money to spend, a propriety and good job in Colombia are a most to present.[/QUOTE]Thank you Blackhawk69, Zingadoon, Hioctane and Dealdo. Very helpful indeed.

V

If you plan to take the girl to Mexico, buy her a Tour to Mexico, From the Travel agency, they will be More than Happy to help, and work with you in that matter. Try maybe Copa air lines

My Two mexican pesos.

And let me Know when you are coming to Cancun, so we can have a few Beers.

Cheers from Cancun,

Kukulkan

[QUOTE=Dealdo]As far as I know Mexico is the hardest country in SA to issue a visa for the rest of the continent. Brasil and Chile had free entry but not anymore. So if she has no bank account will be as hard as getting a US visa. You know, tourist visa with a round trip to Cancun reservations in a good hotel and money to spend, a propriety and good job in Colombia are a most to present.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kukulkan]If you plan to take the girl to Mexico, buy her a Tour to Mexico, From the Travel agency, they will be More than Happy to help, and work with you in that matter. Try maybe Copa air lines

My Two mexican pesos.

And let me Know when you are coming to Cancun, so we can have a few Beers.

Cheers from Cancun,

Kukulkan[/QUOTE]Thank you very much.

I am a long time member and have been forced to randomize my handle (please one divorce is enough). Needless to say, I've known Cuba, Brazil, Uruguay, Mexico, Columbia, Peru, Venezuela, Argentina and even Thailand. I am no stranger to mongering or to contributing to this site, but unlike the heavy hitters, I must be more random or risk being discovered. I love my wife, but sometimes my dick deserves a vacation. I don't smoke, do drugs, golf, hunt or fish. I take care of my wife in the manner in which she is accustomed and I work 60 hrs a week. Sometimes I need a week to myself.

For me and my love of anal sex, music, food, climate and culture. Brazil has been the best and Rio is at the top of that food chain. However, that ship has sailed! Between the exchange rate, the World Cup, the Olympics and out shitty economy, I feel that Brazil is dead for the next 10 years. The government is "cleaning-up" the city/country (the way China, Utah and any other Olympic city does) the women will no longer be at low cost/value that they have been in the past and will not be until they hit their post boom crisis at some point in the future. You can't turn a blind eye the way the Government in Rio has for the past 20 years when the Olympics are coming to town.

That being said, I'm looking for the next Mecca and it is my belief that it is either Columbia or Venezuela. Both have their advantages and their champions but what I'm trying to decipher is which one is more cost advantageous at the present time. I have not been to either since 2002 and want to get some intel from those who know.

Therefore, I'm not interested in hearing just the opinion of the guy who can get a $5 lay because he can speak Spanish like Cervantes. Nor am I interested in hearing about high roller who has no problem falling into town spending $250/night for his hotel and $200/hr with his chica. It takes all kinds and I'm not trying to start a fight, but that is a different discussion. C'mon, I know where I can get a $10 BJ tonight but that doesn't mean I want it.

I see a reality and am trying to adjust for it. There are 47,000 reports on this site about Brazil, Argentina is under-represented due to their other site. That leaves Columbia as the 2nd highest but having visited both and understanding the regime, I feel that Venezuela is the next frontier, economy, proximity, culture to be the next great monger habitat. I feel that Argentina is way too stable to be a real bargain the way that Cuba and Rio used to B.

Any thoughts?

[QUOTE=Trash Talking]I am a long time member and have been forced to randomize my handle (please one divorce is enough). Needless to say, I've known Cuba, Brazil, Uruguay, Mexico, Columbia, Peru, Venezuela, Argentina and even Thailand. I am no stranger to mongering or to contributing to this site, but unlike the heavy hitters, I must be more random or risk being discovered. I love my wife, but sometimes my dick deserves a vacation. I don't smoke, do drugs, golf, hunt or fish. I take care of my wife in the manner in which she is accustomed and I work 60 hrs a week. Sometimes I need a week to myself.

For me and my love of anal sex, music, food, climate and culture. Brazil has been the best and Rio is at the top of that food chain. However, that ship has sailed! Between the exchange rate, the World Cup, the Olympics and out shitty economy, I feel that Brazil is dead for the next 10 years. The government is "cleaning-up" the city/country (the way China, Utah and any other Olympic city does) the women will no longer be at low cost/value that they have been in the past and will not be until they hit their post boom crisis at some point in the future. You can't turn a blind eye the way the Government in Rio has for the past 20 years when the Olympics are coming to town.

That being said, I'm looking for the next Mecca and it is my belief that it is either Columbia or Venezuela. Both have their advantages and their champions but what I'm trying to decipher is which one is more cost advantageous at the present time. I have not been to either since 2002 and want to get some intel from those who know.

Therefore, I'm not interested in hearing just the opinion of the guy who can get a $5 lay because he can speak Spanish like Cervantes. Nor am I interested in hearing about high roller who has no problem falling into town spending $250/night for his hotel and $200/hr with his chica. It takes all kinds and I'm not trying to start a fight, but that is a different discussion. C'mon, I know where I can get a $10 BJ tonight but that doesn't mean I want it.

I see a reality and am trying to adjust for it. There are 47,000 reports on this site about Brazil, Argentina is under-represented due to their other site. That leaves Columbia as the 2nd highest but having visited both and understanding the regime, I feel that Venezuela is the next frontier, economy, proximity, culture to be the next great monger habitat. I feel that Argentina is way too stable to be a real bargain the way that Cuba and Rio used to B.

Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]A Thought: Just GO. Pick a place, and just go. Make your own experience, instead of trying to recreate someone elses.

Tt,

My situation is exactly the same a yours, but only work 50hr a week. I don't travel as often and prefer quality over quantity: I don't do the super low end but I do try to pay reasonable prices, keeping it sane for future mongers.

My $02. Colombia is great, but it is far from an "up and cumming" mecca: it has already arrived, for better or worse, in the mongering world. Those of us who have gone there for the past few years have been able to take advantage of the poor economic situation in CO, but it too is stabilizing (that being said, there will always be boatload of poor but beautiful women ready, willing and able). It's still peaking, IMO, though there's always the guy. You know. The complainer or the reminiscer: "oh man, it it shot here, the Hawaiian shirt and shorts dudes have spoiled it all, I remember the good ol' days when I could get a 9 for 200 pesos por TLN". I want to go back: Colombianas, despite their street-smart attitudes sometimes, have that carinosa attitude that is addictive.

I haven't been to Venezuela and I want to go. I'm close with some Venezuelan ex-pats, and though I'm sure that their POV is colored by their hatred for Chavez, the do say that the crime situation is pretty bad. I've also heard that the clubs in Santa Margharita islands were closed, and the anti-American sentiment among some of the faithful runs high. But as the investment saying goes, "buy with the cannons and sell with the bugles", and that applies to mongerdom also. But the regulars in the VZ forums would know better, and of course, I defer to Ricker, who has been there a lot. The movie "El Secuestro Express" is not exactly a rose for VZ tourism either.

[QUOTE=Trash Talking] I love my wife, but sometimes my dick deserves a vacation. I don't smoke, do drugs, golf, hunt or fish. I take care of my wife in the manner in which she is accustomed and I work 60 hrs a week. Sometimes I need a week to myself.

That being said, I'm looking for the next Mecca and it is my belief that it is either Columbia or Venezuela.

Therefore, I'm not interested in hearing just the opinion of the guy who can get a $5 lay because he can speak Spanish like Cervantes. Nor am I interested in hearing about high roller.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Trash Talking]Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]I think Colombia currently trumps Venezuela. I've been touring the Dominican Republic, Venezuela and Colombia since 2003. Like the man says, folks like Ricker have more experience and tend to present the situation with clarity. Venezuela may be the future, but only once the oil runs out.

Zingadoon makes a great point, it's all in your head. Make it your own place. That's what I intend to do in Medellin, all the ingredients are there. All powerful imagination.

[QUOTE=Trash Talking]I am a long time member and have been forced to randomize my handle (please one divorce is enough). Needless to say, I've known Cuba, Brazil, Uruguay, Mexico, Columbia, Peru, Venezuela, Argentina and even Thailand. I am no stranger to mongering or to contributing to this site, but unlike the heavy hitters, I must be more random or risk being discovered. I love my wife, but sometimes my dick deserves a vacation. I don't smoke, do drugs, golf, hunt or fish. I take care of my wife in the manner in which she is accustomed and I work 60 hrs a week. Sometimes I need a week to myself.

For me and my love of anal sex, music, food, climate and culture. Brazil has been the best and Rio is at the top of that food chain. However, that ship has sailed! Between the exchange rate, the World Cup, the Olympics and out shitty economy, I feel that Brazil is dead for the next 10 years. The government is "cleaning-up" the city/country (the way China, Utah and any other Olympic city does) the women will no longer be at low cost/value that they have been in the past and will not be until they hit their post boom crisis at some point in the future. You can't turn a blind eye the way the Government in Rio has for the past 20 years when the Olympics are coming to town.

That being said, I'm looking for the next Mecca and it is my belief that it is either Columbia or Venezuela. Both have their advantages and their champions but what I'm trying to decipher is which one is more cost advantageous at the present time. I have not been to either since 2002 and want to get some intel from those who know.

Therefore, I'm not interested in hearing just the opinion of the guy who can get a $5 lay because he can speak Spanish like Cervantes. Nor am I interested in hearing about high roller who has no problem falling into town spending $250/night for his hotel and $200/hr with his chica. It takes all kinds and I'm not trying to start a fight, but that is a different discussion. C'mon, I know where I can get a $10 BJ tonight but that doesn't mean I want it.

I see a reality and am trying to adjust for it. There are 47,000 reports on this site about Brazil, Argentina is under-represented due to their other site. That leaves Columbia as the 2nd highest but having visited both and understanding the regime, I feel that Venezuela is the next frontier, economy, proximity, culture to be the next great monger habitat. I feel that Argentina is way too stable to be a real bargain the way that Cuba and Rio used to B.

Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]Well thought out and articulated. Especially regarding the analysis of the present and future situation in Brazil.

I don't have the time to respond in depth so here's one quick opinion regarding the attractiveness of Venezuela.

I don't see it for VZ and here's why:

1) Price. Forgive if I'm wrong, but I think general pricing in VZ has always been higher than Colombia.

2) Skyrocketing petty and serious crime.

3) Tense social, economic situation. Inflation, water & electricity shortages & blackouts, some food scarcity, political unrest, etc, etc.

4) If you're a USA citizen, the added hassle or threat of unfriendly customs and police officials.

There's more. Those are the main ones that come to mind.

Unless you're evaluating it under the same senario as for Brazil. That is, once Chavez goes or is thrown out, all hell will break loose and hot VZ pussy will be available at fire sale prices. Hard to judge considering hyper-inflation would likely also be in play.

All the best, Schwmm

[QUOTE=Schwmmr]Well thought out and articulated. Especially regarding the analysis of the present and future situation in Brazil.

I don't have the time to respond in depth so here's one quick opinion regarding the attractiveness of Venezuela.

I don't see it for VZ and here's why:

1) Price. Forgive if I'm wrong, but I think general pricing in VZ has always been higher than Colombia.

2) Skyrocketing petty and serious crime.

3) Tense social, economic situation. Inflation, water & electricity shortages & blackouts, some food scarcity, political unrest, etc, etc.

4) If you're a USA citizen, the added hassle or threat of unfriendly customs and police officials.

There's more. Those are the main ones that come to mind.

Unless you're evaluating it under the same senario as for Brazil. That is, once Chavez goes or is thrown out, all hell will break loose and hot VZ pussy will be available at fire sale prices. Hard to judge considering hyper-inflation would likely also be in play.

All the best, Schwmm[/QUOTE]Venezuela was a great place to be before Chavez -- as those who were there can attest. Anyone who likes, enjoys, or needs a little edge to his experiences shouldn't be discouraged from going. Besides, once the present regime is out, you'll have missed the chance to have experienced Venezuela in its present incarnation. And, isn't having experiences what its all about? As for the women -- they haven't gone anywhere just because of politics.

I've been to quite a few countries in Central and So. America (CR, Panama, Colombia, Brazil, Argentina, Peru etc.) and can compare a few things. Medellin has the best sex scene of them all.

Availability day and nite, volume of chicas, selection and looks, and most important price.

In my opinion you can't get it all in one place.

I wish Medellin had better food/restaurant choices and a more cosmopolitan/ sophisticated atmosphere like in Buenos Aires.

I wish there was better tourist, travel choices like in Peru and Brazil.

BUT on the plus side, I can drink the water, enjoy the great weather, ride the Metro system, and prices are cheap. Plus the people are friendly.

Since we're all in the ISG, then the sexo is very important to us, as compared to the backpack, enviro crowd. To me Medellin is it.

Hey Gogo,

I tried to send you the second half of my "rant" about Cartagena but your box is full and couldn't accept any more messages.

PM me dude.

Anyone know if cialis can be purchased at any old farmacia in Bogota or if I need to go to a particular chain?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Later Man]Anyone know if cialis can be purchased at any old farmacia in Bogota or if I need to go to a particular chain?

Thanks![/QUOTE]The grocery store Pomona has a drug counter where you can buy.

Good Luck

A long and interesting trip comes to an end today as I soon leave for the airport. 6 weeks total in MDE than trips in between to Cali, BAQ and San Andres.

I Have met some good fellow mongers on this trip and enough can not be said of the value of a good Wingman.

I hooked up with some non pros in those citys and it just reinforces my feelings

That for me the Pros are my best bet. Mostly I have been going from Girl to girl in each city looking for that perfect GFE. I now have one in BAQ and two in MDE. I spent my last day yesterday between the two in MDE and as I was walking to the store in Mayorista this morning I saw a women that might be fun, but my sore nuts said enough is enough.

One thing for sure I will never stay over 60 days in Colombia again. Those three trip to D. A. S. Is another report that I should write at another time.

[QUOTE=Vics Picks]A long and interesting trip comes to an end today as I soon leave for the airport. 6 weeks total in MDE than trips in between to Cali, BAQ and San Andres.

I Have met some good fellow mongers on this trip and enough can not be said of the value of a good Wingman.

I hooked up with some non pros in those citys and it just reinforces my feelings

That for me the Pros are my best bet. Mostly I have been going from Girl to girl in each city looking for that perfect GFE. I now have one in BAQ and two in MDE. I spent my last day yesterday between the two in MDE and as I was walking to the store in Mayorista this morning I saw a women that might be fun, but my sore nuts said enough is enough.

One thing for sure I will never stay over 60 days in Colombia again. Those three trip to D. A. S. Is another report that I should write at another time.[/QUOTE]Vics, glad to hear you had a good trip. Please though, when you are home and have had time to rest please let us know how your dealings with DAS went. I only did it once but it was awhile ago. I may be in need of doing it again in the not too distant future in order to stay my full 90 days and would like to hear about your experience.

I can thank Spirit Airlines for the time to write this report as my flight is delayed for about four hours from Laderdale.

The first trip to DAS in Belen, MDE was to find out that I needed to come back when I was 60 days in country. I asked for the application form to fill out at my apt., but I was not given one. I return on my 60th day with all the numerous copies and photos and I am told the fee is 70, 100 pesos. I put the money on the counter, but I am then told I need to go to Banco Colombia for a money order. That is another taxi ride back and forth. Now I am fingerprinted and they also photografh me. So I feel it is over and then I am told to come back three days for the stamp on my passport. I finally get my stamp and then today at the airport in MDE the final indignation is I am told I owe now 64,000 pesos more. I said what about the 70, 100 I already paid and that brought some blank stares.

Lessions learned the hard way are always ingrained, so Iwill never stay over the time limit again.

[QUOTE=Trash Talking]Brazil has been the best and Rio is at the top of that food chain. However, that ship has sailed! Between the exchange rate, the World Cup, the Olympics and out shitty economy, I feel that Brazil is dead for the next 10 years.

That being said, I'm looking for the next Mecca and it is my belief that it is either Columbia or Venezuela. Both have their advantages and their champions but what I'm trying to decipher is which one is more cost advantageous at the present time.

I see a reality and am trying to adjust for it. There are 47, 000 reports on this site about Brazil, Argentina is under-represented due to their other site. That leaves Columbia as the 2nd highest but having visited both and understanding the regime, I feel that Venezuela is the next frontier, economy, proximity, culture to be the next great monger habitat.[/QUOTE]Well, hmmmm, first of all I totally disagree on your assesment of Brazil.

I've been hanging out there quite a bit lately and I find it a breath of fresh air.

If you know what you're doing, it can be quite rewarding and inexpensive.

Brazil is much more than just Rio by the way. At least for me.

Colombia is not the next Mecca, it's been a Mecca for some time now.

Venezuela, well several years ago I was hanging out there quite a bit.

I loved it!

I actually found the chicas even more exotic than the Colombiana in general.

Schwmmr makes some valid points though as to the potential danger (in Caracas) and some anti-American sentiment by officials.

As far as prices go, the black-market will bring you lots of bang for your buck.

Last I checked, guys were getting 5000 to 1, and with prices similar to Colombia, that's fantastic.

I would definitely recommend having spanish skills to visit Venezuela though, even more than in the now touristy Colombia.

The next Mecca, well I'm going to keep that a secret this time :)

Good luck!

[QUOTE=Vics Picks]One thing for sure I will never stay over 60 days in Colombia again. [/QUOTE]Vic,

This is a strong statement. Why would you not want to spend 60 days in colombia again? When I left I said to myself I had to come back and stay 60 days the next time.

Great trip and great reporting.

Being a novice monger-er (about 7 years internationally) I've gotten off to a fast start: Thailand, Philippines, Brazil, Caribbean, Mexico. I am looking forward to experiencing Colombia this July. I have a group of several wingmen. My wingmen are more advanced monger-ers than I and are fierce negotiators.

After experiencing Rio and the disparaging pricing, from the lower class neighbors, Villa Mimosa to the trendy termas, i can empathize with you about the decline of the mongering activities and the subsequent "clean up" that is yet to come. When I was there I was very disappointed about the value of the USD, contrarily I was over joyed at the quality of women and the invaluable sexual skill set possessed by the Brazilian women, some of the best I have experienced in my life. Unfortunately, my joy was short lived; I receive a report from a wingman of mine, his report indicated that the change is already underway. Help has closed and Miapitakas(SP) no longer allows the women to hangout there and "work". The consequence of this forced mongerers to venture further out to have "experiences. So, my joy will not be carried over to my next trip to Rio for the 2016 games?

In July I plan to visit Medellin, Cali, Cartagena and possibly Barranquilla, as I have heard good things about all these locales. It is in my hopes that I am able to experience all the cities within a 2 week period.

I would like to experience Venezuela, but i'm not sure if it is safe for Americans after the reign of terror from GWB?

Later

[QUOTE=Trash Talking]I am a long time member and have been forced to randomize my handle (please one divorce is enough). Needless to say, I've known Cuba, Brazil, Uruguay, Mexico, Columbia, Peru, Venezuela, Argentina and even Thailand. I am no stranger to mongering or to contributing to this site, but unlike the heavy hitters, I must be more random or risk being discovered. I love my wife, but sometimes my dick deserves a vacation. I don't smoke, do drugs, golf, hunt or fish. I take care of my wife in the manner in which she is accustomed and I work 60 hrs a week. Sometimes I need a week to myself.

For me and my love of anal sex, music, food, climate and culture. Brazil has been the best and Rio is at the top of that food chain. However, that ship has sailed! Between the exchange rate, the World Cup, the Olympics and out shitty economy, I feel that Brazil is dead for the next 10 years. The government is "cleaning-up" the city/country (the way China, Utah and any other Olympic city does) the women will no longer be at low cost/value that they have been in the past and will not be until they hit their post boom crisis at some point in the future. You can't turn a blind eye the way the Government in Rio has for the past 20 years when the Olympics are coming to town.

That being said, I'm looking for the next Mecca and it is my belief that it is either Columbia or Venezuela. Both have their advantages and their champions but what I'm trying to decipher is which one is more cost advantageous at the present time. I have not been to either since 2002 and want to get some intel from those who know.

Therefore, I'm not interested in hearing just the opinion of the guy who can get a $5 lay because he can speak Spanish like Cervantes. Nor am I interested in hearing about high roller who has no problem falling into town spending $250/night for his hotel and $200/hr with his chica. It takes all kinds and I'm not trying to start a fight, but that is a different discussion. C'mon, I know where I can get a $10 BJ tonight but that doesn't mean I want it.

I see a reality and am trying to adjust for it. There are 47,000 reports on this site about Brazil, Argentina is under-represented due to their other site. That leaves Columbia as the 2nd highest but having visited both and understanding the regime, I feel that Venezuela is the next frontier, economy, proximity, culture to be the next great monger habitat. I feel that Argentina is way too stable to be a real bargain the way that Cuba and Rio used to B.

Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]

Stay away from Cali just my advise. The sicarios just opened a new office in la sexta and are just looking for the quick buck. Goto Medellin more gringo friendly and the quality of girls is better.

[QUOTE=Blk Big Bootyluv]Being a novice monger-er (about 7 years internationally) I've gotten off to a fast start: Thailand, Philippines, Brazil, Caribbean, Mexico. I am looking forward to experiencing Colombia this July. I have a group of several wingmen. My wingmen are more advanced monger-ers than I and are fierce negotiators.

After experiencing Rio and the disparaging pricing, from the lower class neighbors, Villa Mimosa to the trendy termas, i can empathize with you about the decline of the mongering activities and the subsequent "clean up" that is yet to come. When I was there I was very disappointed about the value of the USD, contrarily I was over joyed at the quality of women and the invaluable sexual skill set possessed by the Brazilian women, some of the best I have experienced in my life. Unfortunately, my joy was short lived; I receive a report from a wingman of mine, his report indicated that the change is already underway. Help has closed and Miapitakas(SP) no longer allows the women to hangout there and "work". The consequence of this forced mongerers to venture further out to have "experiences. So, my joy will not be carried over to my next trip to Rio for the 2016 games?

In July I plan to visit Medellin, Cali, Cartagena and possibly Barranquilla, as I have heard good things about all these locales. It is in my hopes that I am able to experience all the cities within a 2 week period.

I would like to experience Venezuela, but i'm not sure if it is safe for Americans after the reign of terror from GWB?

Later[/QUOTE]

Poorbuthappy, that bulwark of non-mongering advice about our favorite country is no more, brought down, it would appear, by elements similar to those which have cause problems here.

Alternatives appear to be mango biche, run by an ex-pbh mod, and colombia experts, which used to be owned by the pbh guy but now seems to be under new ownership.

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I'm in Atlanta, I wanted to ship two boxes to Pereira. I had the boxes my things arrived in put in another, triple wall box with two inches of foam padding on all sides between the boxes. Avianca Express has a website with it's American offices and affiliates listed. There was one 5 miles from my parent's house. They charged $1.80 per pound, delivered to my door in Pereira, and 29% customs fees on declared value. A great value, I thought, except that my packages were oversized. For the two boxes combined I paid an additional $230 for oversize. The limits are 150cm length + width + depth, and 110 pounds. I still came out ahead of what it would have cost to check them on Delta, and Delta only accepts boxes checked as stand-by. If I had known the limits ahead of time, it would have been economical. I had 75 pounds and $360 of value. If it had been within size limits, it would have cost $270, about half of what it would have cost as excess luggage on Delta.

I feel secure in using the service because the contents are large objects of no immediate resale value. One box is a bust (statue), an onyx bowl and plate. The other box is 4 candle sticks and two statues. I was considering shipping a third footlocker as well, but if it contains small items, they might be more attractive to pilfering. And you can't put food or vitamins in unaccompianied baggage.

I tried to contact ServiEntrega, but basically was reminded why the Third World is the Turd Wurld.

I'll report on my receipt of what I shipped.

El Minetero

Here is the proof:[/QUOTE]Hey dude can't wait for this sweet little gal want to enjoy my life with her in Kolkata.

Can you send me a message? Pleased send me her contact info to [blue][Email address deleted by Admin][/blue] me her contacts and all want to get in touch with dis gal[QUOTE=El Minetero]I'm in Atlanta, I wanted to ship two boxes to Pereira. I had the boxes my things arrived in put in another, triple wall box with two inches of foam padding on all sides between the boxes. Avianca Express has a website with it's American offices and affiliates listed. There was one 5 miles from my parent's house. They charged $1. 80 per pound, delivered to my door in Pereira, and 29% customs fees on declared value. A great value, I thought, except that my packages were oversized. For the two boxes combined I paid an additional $230 for oversize. The limits are 150cm length + width + depth, and 110 pounds. I still came out ahead of what it would have cost to check them on Delta, and Delta only accepts boxes checked as stand-by. If I had known the limits ahead of time, it would have been economical. I had 75 pounds and $360 of value. If it had been within size limits, it would have cost $270, about half of what it would have cost as excess luggage on Delta.

I feel secure in using the service because the contents are large objects of no immediate resale value. One box is a bust (statue), an onyx bowl and plate. The other box is 4 candle sticks and two statues. I was considering shipping a third footlocker as well, but if it contains small items, they might be more attractive to pilfering. And you can't put food or vitamins in unaccompianied baggage.

I tried to contact ServiEntrega, but basically was reminded why the Third World is the Turd Wurld.

I'll report on my receipt of what I shipped.

El Minetero[/QUOTE]Minetero:

Good to hear you got your stuff there. I know what a hassle and sometimes stressful that can B.

For the record and as info to the board; I shipped parcels several times with two small time operators that can do it for a fraction of the price that Avianca, Fedex, UPS, US Postal Service or any other big name carrier can do it.

One is Medrano Express [url]www.medranoexpress.com[/url] and the other, I can't recall the name right now.

They both delivered to the door in Colombia, took about 6-7 days, and had drop off points at Tienda Latinas in my area. You drop your parcel off at your local tienda that contracts with one of these services and they have pick-ups 2 or 3 days a week. They consolidate the parcels at their central facility and put them on a plane in Miami.

Cost $50 or less per normal sized parcel and deliver to the door in Colombia and other countries in LA. Always came through, never had a problem, and they offer insurance if you want it.

Check around at your local Tienda Latinas. BTW, these are good places to buy calling cards too and even run into a hot latina now and then.

All the best, Schwmm

Not sure how that text at the top of my last post, above Minetero's quote, got in there. It wasn't me.

Schwmm

Weird, I posted this I THOUGHT a couple days ago but it didn't show up... it's not like something so innocuous would have been modded, I guess I slipped on the send button..

there is another general Colombia info site.... [url]www.colombianblog.com[/url] that may be of help....

[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]Poorbuthappy, that bulwark of non-mongering advice about our favorite country is no more, brought down, it would appear, by elements similar to those which have cause problems here.

Alternatives appear to be mango biche, run by an ex-pbh mod, and colombia experts, which used to be owned by the pbh guy but now seems to be under new ownership.[/QUOTE]

I paid the fee to join their $9 club. They offered me some workable flights so I planned a trip and itinerary around those flights.

When I try to purchase the tickets, the website will not proccess the transaction using one of my existing credit cards. The only way the transaction will proceed is if you choose to sign up for and use their "Free Spirit" credit card.

Now my itinerary is blown since the flights & fares I was trying to take advantage of expired and the website is still giving me the same problem, even with adjusted dates.

Customer help is non-existant. Their call center is offshore and can't help you with tech support for the website or $9 club fares AND they have noone to refer you too. All they can do is book flights with normal priced fares PLUS a booking fee for using the call center instead of booking online.

The help option on the website is also no help. I finally found the email address for their tech support and sent a private email describing my problem and requesting assistance. That was last night, 12 hours ago. I received an automated response email advising that they received my email and that it would be processed in the order in which it was received. Still waiting.

Any forum members have any experience or tips for dealing with this problem.

I'd heard they can be a ***** to deal with but this is horrendous. They offer a fare and flight but then make it impossible to purchase it.

Thanks,

Schwmm

[QUOTE=Manizales911]Vics, glad to hear you had a good trip. Please though, when you are home and have had time to rest please let us know how your dealings with DAS went. I only did it once but it was awhile ago. I may be in need of doing it again in the not too distant future in order to stay my full 90 days and would like to hear about your experience.[/QUOTE]It's a very easy process if you know Colombia and speak passable Spanish. It takes four total days to complete. First you have to go to DAS, go early, there is always a line. You have to have identification and you have to leave your cell phone at the guard shack.

Next you go in an receive the paperwork. They give you a check list of everything you need to do. Just follow the list and bingo you are in.

You have to have passport size photos, pay the bill at Banco de Colombia only certain banks accept the money(secret: go to the bank in Laureles next to Estadio, there is never a line) multiple copies of the documents you fill out and copies of your passport. Then you go back to DAS with all your copies and your payment receipt.

Then you have to wait at DAS for your turn, they give you a little "ficha" a poker chip with a number. The folks in DAS, there are only two clerks that deal with this, are always having a bad day. They were they only angry Colombians I ever met for 90 days in the country. Anyway they take all your paperwork, inspect your passport, take your fingerprints and photo, and then you have to come back in three days.

When you come back you don't have to wait very long at all they just take you in the back, hand stamp your passport, write on the stamp and you are on your way. One final caveat, when you get to the airport you have to pay an additional tax, not the regular exit tax but another one. It was a surprise American Air didn't know how to deal with it and it was a little scary at first, but you just have to be polite and pay the tax, I think it was 50 or 75K pesos.

It's an easy process if you follow the steps and recall it's Colombia during the steps.

Chau,

Jazz

I have visited many countries in my 45 years and have mongered in most of them. I still believe that Colombian women are the best looking and the funnest in the world. Wish I was there now.

I don't get it here. Been in Colombia for 10 days and although have had 3 girls one wasn't too hot (picked up on Sexta, Cali, non-pro), the other two were girls I had known previously through colombiacupid, some online dating site.

I am attractive. Young, blond, blue eyes. I got a million looks and giggles on the streets and when I enter a bar. But I get nothing more. have now done Bogota, Ibagué and a week in Cali and apart from that one negrita in Cali (who looked hot with clothes on and not too good naked) have gotten nothing.

What's the deal here? I don't get it. I can sit at a table and exchange smiles with a beautiful 18 year old on another table and if I approach after 30 minutes of smiling she turns completely stiff and basically ignores me until I go away (usually hailing a taxi to go home to my apartment to jerk off instead)

In case it's not clear, I am talking about picking up non-pros. If I couldn't pick up a hooker I would be in serious trouble :-)

So any tips? What gives with these colombianas? I have done a shitload of countries and in many latin countries I have my calendar packed, sometimes 3-4 hot girls daily. I thought Colombia was heaven for women, but thourh there are a decent amount of good looking girls around, it seems more like hell.

It sucks. Especially since I have no less than 3 weeks left in Colombia (Medellin, Cartagena, Barranquilla). And I seriously feel like flying home to Europe or down to Brazil. This place is cold man. The weather AND the women. Or at least, that is my impression so far.

Was my BIG misunderstanding that I thought Colombia was gold because all you guys love the hookers? (I don't) or am I just misunderstanding how to approach and pick up regular girls here?

Suerte.

[QUOTE=Mesocorny]I don't get it here. Been in Colombia for 10 days and although have had 3 girls one wasn't too hot (picked up on Sexta, Cali, non-pro), the other two were girls I had known previously through colombiacupid, some online dating site.

I am attractive. Young, blond, blue eyes. I got a million looks and giggles on the streets and when I enter a bar. But I get nothing more. have now done Bogota, Ibagué and a week in Cali and apart from that one negrita in Cali (who looked hot with clothes on and not too good naked) have gotten nothing.

What's the deal here? I don't get it. I can sit at a table and exchange smiles with a beautiful 18 year old on another table and if I approach after 30 minutes of smiling she turns completely stiff and basically ignores me until I go away (usually hailing a taxi to go home to my apartment to jerk off instead)

In case it's not clear, I am talking about picking up non-pros. If I couldn't pick up a hooker I would be in serious trouble :-)

So any tips? What gives with these colombianas? I have done a shitload of countries and in many latin countries I have my calendar packed, sometimes 3-4 hot girls daily. I thought Colombia was heaven for women, but thourh there are a decent amount of good looking girls around, it seems more like hell.

It sucks. Especially since I have no less than 3 weeks left in Colombia (Medellin, Cartagena, Barranquilla). And I seriously feel like flying home to Europe or down to Brazil. This place is cold man. The weather AND the women. Or at least, that is my impression so far.

Was my BIG misunderstanding that I thought Colombia was gold because all you guys love the hookers? (I don't) or am I just misunderstanding how to approach and pick up regular girls here?

Suerte.[/QUOTE]Are you doing more than just looking and smiling at them? Colombianas are accustomed to guys making the first move. It helps if you speak spanish. And if you don't. Then attempting to speak spanish with a dictionary will go a long way.

[QUOTE=Mesocorny]I don't get it here. Been in Colombia for 10 days and although have had 3 girls one wasn't too hot (picked up on Sexta, Cali, non-pro), the other two were girls I had known previously through colombiacupid, some online dating site.

I am attractive. Young, blond, blue eyes. I got a million looks and giggles on the streets and when I enter a bar. But I get nothing more. have now done Bogota, Ibagué and a week in Cali and apart from that one negrita in Cali (who looked hot with clothes on and not too good naked) have gotten nothing.

What's the deal here? I don't get it. I can sit at a table and exchange smiles with a beautiful 18 year old on another table and if I approach after 30 minutes of smiling she turns completely stiff and basically ignores me until I go away (usually hailing a taxi to go home to my apartment to jerk off instead)

In case it's not clear, I am talking about picking up non-pros. If I couldn't pick up a hooker I would be in serious trouble :-)

So any tips? What gives with these colombianas? I have done a shitload of countries and in many latin countries I have my calendar packed, sometimes 3-4 hot girls daily. I thought Colombia was heaven for women, but thourh there are a decent amount of good looking girls around, it seems more like hell.

It sucks. Especially since I have no less than 3 weeks left in Colombia (Medellin, Cartagena, Barranquilla). And I seriously feel like flying home to Europe or down to Brazil. This place is cold man. The weather AND the women. Or at least, that is my impression so far.

Was my BIG misunderstanding that I thought Colombia was gold because all you guys love the hookers? (I don't) or am I just misunderstanding how to approach and pick up regular girls here?

Suerte.[/QUOTE]The first question is do you speak spanish? If you do speak spanish than it has to be something to do with your personality or approach to the girls amigo because Colombianas are extremely friendly and enjoy hanging out with spanish speaking well mannered foreigners.

[QUOTE=JazzPlayer]It's a very easy process if you know Colombia and speak passable Spanish. It takes four total days to complete. First you have to go to DAS, go early, there is always a line. You have to have identification and you have to leave your cell phone at the guard shack.

Next you go in an receive the paperwork. They give you a check list of everything you need to do. Just follow the list and bingo you are in.

You have to have passport size photos, pay the bill at Banco de Colombia only certain banks accept the money(secret: go to the bank in Laureles next to Estadio, there is never a line) multiple copies of the documents you fill out and copies of your passport. Then you go back to DAS with all your copies and your payment receipt.

Then you have to wait at DAS for your turn, they give you a little "ficha" a poker chip with a number. The folks in DAS, there are only two clerks that deal with this, are always having a bad day. They were they only angry Colombians I ever met for 90 days in the country. Anyway they take all your paperwork, inspect your passport, take your fingerprints and photo, and then you have to come back in three days.

When you come back you don't have to wait very long at all they just take you in the back, hand stamp your passport, write on the stamp and you are on your way. One final caveat, when you get to the airport you have to pay an additional tax, not the regular exit tax but another one. It was a surprise American Air didn't know how to deal with it and it was a little scary at first, but you just have to be polite and pay the tax, I think it was 50 or 75K pesos.

It's an easy process if you follow the steps and recall it's Colombia during the steps.

Chau,

Jazz[/QUOTE]Mr. Jass,

Thanks for answering his question. I agree with what you said of the process except that on the check list I was given there was no mention that a money order was needed so when I tried to pay the fee in cash I was then told I needed a money order. This intailed another round trip taxi to a bank. All I can say is I wish I had your frame of mind in these kind of matters. For you to say this was an easy process, I would hate to see what you call a tough process. I was 6 days over my limit in Colombia and I will never deal with DAS again if I can avoid them. Like you said about the additional payment 74, 000 K at the airport after paying the 70, 100K at DAS to me was the final indignation. I go to Colombia to have fun, not be tortured and have to jump thru hoops.

[QUOTE=Mesocorny]I don't get it here. Been in Colombia for 10 days and although have had 3 girls one wasn't too hot (picked up on Sexta, Cali, non-pro), the other two were girls I had known previously through colombiacupid, some online dating site.

I am attractive. Young, blond, blue eyes. I got a million looks and giggles on the streets and when I enter a bar. But I get nothing more. have now done Bogota, Ibagué and a week in Cali and apart from that one negrita in Cali (who looked hot with clothes on and not too good naked) have gotten nothing.

What's the deal here? I don't get it. I can sit at a table and exchange smiles with a beautiful 18 year old on another table and if I approach after 30 minutes of smiling she turns completely stiff and basically ignores me until I go away (usually hailing a taxi to go home to my apartment to jerk off instead)

In case it's not clear, I am talking about picking up non-pros. If I couldn't pick up a hooker I would be in serious trouble :-)

So any tips? What gives with these colombianas? I have done a shitload of countries and in many latin countries I have my calendar packed, sometimes 3-4 hot girls daily. I thought Colombia was heaven for women, but thourh there are a decent amount of good looking girls around, it seems more like hell.

It sucks. Especially since I have no less than 3 weeks left in Colombia (Medellin, Cartagena, Barranquilla). And I seriously feel like flying home to Europe or down to Brazil. This place is cold man. The weather AND the women. Or at least, that is my impression so far.

Was my BIG misunderstanding that I thought Colombia was gold because all you guys love the hookers? (I don't) or am I just misunderstanding how to approach and pick up regular girls here?

Suerte.[/QUOTE]Lets C. Young, good looking, blond hair, blue eyes. You are having no luck? The only answer is you are not able to talk to these beautiful creatures.

Please do not be offended but you are asking for advice and if what you say is true than something is really wrong with what is happening to you in Colombia. Many of us old timers would love to have your advantages. I wish you good luck in the future and maybe it is just a case of bad luck and the next day you could be swimming in fine Pussy.

One question. You say the weather is cold. I have never found BAQ, MDE, Cali and CTG cold, but mostly very warm except MDE which is just perfect.

Guys, thanks for coming back to me. I take no offense at all.

Thing is, I speak Spanish close to fluently! I've done my share of travel in South America and Cuba, and I know that Spanish is a must. I don't want to go crazy on my horn here, but I am saying it to add to the mystery: I am swimming in girls in all these others places. Regulars from the streets and discos. Hot young girls.

In Colombia? Thousands of girls looking at smiling, but not the young hotties. And if I approach looks a bit like they are afraid all the other people or friends around will think they are prepagos.

Spanish? Yes. Extensive travel experience in Latin America? Yes. Decent looking and young enough? Yes.

So I have next to know idea what gives. All I know is I fucked a fat girl with no less than three children last night, and that marked the record of the ugliest girl I have been with in Latin America.

[QUOTE=Mesocorny]I don't get it here. Been in Colombia for 10 days and although have had 3 girls one wasn't too hot (picked up on Sexta, Cali, non-pro), the other two were girls I had known previously through colombiacupid, some online dating site.

I am attractive. Young, blond, blue eyes. I got a million looks and giggles on the streets and when I enter a bar. But I get nothing more. Have now done Bogota, Ibagué and a week in Cali and apart from that one negrita in Cali (who looked hot with clothes on and not too good naked) have gotten nothing.

What's the deal here? I don't get it. I can sit at a table and exchange smiles with a beautiful 18 year old on another table and if I approach after 30 minutes of smiling she turns completely stiff and basically ignores me until I go away (usually hailing a taxi to go home to my apartment to jerk off instead)

In case it's not clear, I am talking about picking up non-pros. If I couldn't pick up a hooker I would be in serious trouble

So any tips? What gives with these colombianas? I have done a shitload of countries and in many latin countries I have my calendar packed, sometimes 3-4 hot girls daily. I thought Colombia was heaven for women, but thourh there are a decent amount of good looking girls around, it seems more like hell.

It sucks. Especially since I have no less than 3 weeks left in Colombia (Medellin, Cartagena, Barranquilla). And I seriously feel like flying home to Europe or down to Brazil. This place is cold man. The weather AND the women. Or at least, that is my impression so far.

Was my BIG misunderstanding that I thought Colombia was gold because all you guys love the hookers? (I don't) or am I just misunderstanding how to approach and pick up regular girls here?

Suerte.[/QUOTE]While I agree with the others that being fluent or at least half-way fluent in Spanish greatly increases your chances, I feel compelled to share with you the below observation. Keep in mind that this observation applies to me, an average-looking, 40-something, gringo when in Colombia. I don't know if it applies to you or anyone else, but it certainly applies to me.

For me to be successful in having sexual encounters with non-pros in Colombia, I have to do one of the following:

1) Build a rapport, friendship, trust with her via the internet/video chat (and then phone, as she'll like the attention of me calling to let her know that I'm thinking of her) over the course of a month or two prior to meeting her in person. Each woman I've met this way already had a strong romantic interest and desire upon my arrival.

2) Be introduced by an amigo/amiga in Colombia who knows me and trusts me as being a guy who will show respect to thier amiga, prima, etc.

3) Meet a chica at the mall, working in a store, etc., and then take the time to build a rapport, establish a mutual interest, go places together (dates), etc. The old "courting" from back-in-the-day.

I've found the non-pros to follow more traditional rules-kinda like the way things were in the States prior to the sexual revolution of the 60's, etc. The chances of me picking-up a non-pro any other way in Colombia are pretty much zilch. If I pick-up a Colombiana and bang her that same day absent any of the three foregoing things happening first, then there's a 99% chance she's a pro or semi-pro.

Again, those are my observations as they pertain to me, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are commonplace for other foreigners who are just visiting or passing-through Colombia.

It can be alot of work/chase, but also provide for one hell of a sexual encounter. But then I end-up with a girlfriend who wants exclusivity. And alas, I'd rather have my freedom without drama or confrontation, so I've learned that mostly bangin' the pros and semi-pros in Colombia is the best course of action for me.

Best of luck in your adventure and encounters. Oh, and you might want to try bangin' a pro/semi-pro instead of chokin' the monkey back at the apartment, LOL.

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[QUOTE=Hioctane]. It helps if you speak spanish.

And if you don't. Then attempting to speak spanish with a dictionary will go a long way[/QUOTE]That's an understatement!

Speaking spanish is not just a help, it's almost imperative to mix with the non-pros.

If you don't, you're severely limiting yourself.

Your youth and pretty blue eyes can only get ya so far. It gets your foot in the door and then you have to be able to rap a bit.

The speaking with a dictionary, well of course it's better than nada, but truthfully, though it may be a bit humorous at first, it's very limiting and difficult to be a cool cat scurrying for words in a dictionary.

Hey, anything is possible, but to anyone that digs traveling to latin America and digs the latinas, learn the language.

[QUOTE=Mesocorny]In Colombia? Thousands of girls looking at smiling, but not the young hotties. And if I approach looks a bit like they are afraid all the other people or friends around will think they are prepagos.[/QUOTE]Bingo!

Non-pro Colombianas (and actually, Colombianas in general) are very concerned with their reputation. If they get with a foreigner (especially one who doesn't live there, but is just visiting/tourist) on his first time hitting upon them, they look like you know what. When it comes to non-pros in Colombia, you now know the reason why I have to go through one of the 3 steps I mentioned below to have a sexual encounter with a beautiful, non-pro.

I still think you'd be better off bangin' an attractive, hot, sexy pro or semi-pro than chokin' the monkey or bangin' a gordita. You might want to give it a try!

The obvious is that "tu no sabes mamar gallo". That's important here, beyond that, Colombians are slow AND have very high standards. But things do vary greatly from city to city. The locals all tell me Medellin is the best bet for picking up non-pros quickly. Medellin or Pereira.

My advice. Fuck the coast and stay in Medellin the last 3 weeks. Barranquilla may be OK but in Cartagena you will get NOTHING. I defend myself pretty well with the non pros here in Bogota and just got back from a real nice trip to Ibague, but I get ZIP in Cartagena.

Keep making friends and they "say" to be patient. I dated many. The colombianas when they like you they take it slow, don't rush it. But when they are ready the go all in, and with passion. The chicks flake alot though.

Also suerte is really bad. It means fuck off go away I am better than you. You are beneath me. I mistakenly said this to a merchant trying to sell us necklaces in med. At dinner he got real pissed and went off on me. My colombian friend said, " why did you say that! " I was like oh shit I didn't know. Anyways its" buena suerte", Ave maria pues.

[QUOTE=Mesocorny]I don't get it here. Been in Colombia for 10 days and although have had 3 girls one wasn't too hot (picked up on Sexta, Cali, non-pro), the other two were girls I had known previously through colombiacupid, some online dating site.

I am attractive. Young, blond, blue eyes. I got a million looks and giggles on the streets and when I enter a bar. But I get nothing more. have now done Bogota, Ibagué and a week in Cali and apart from that one negrita in Cali (who looked hot with clothes on and not too good naked) have gotten nothing.

What's the deal here? I don't get it. I can sit at a table and exchange smiles with a beautiful 18 year old on another table and if I approach after 30 minutes of smiling she turns completely stiff and basically ignores me until I go away (usually hailing a taxi to go home to my apartment to jerk off instead)

In case it's not clear, I am talking about picking up non-pros. If I couldn't pick up a hooker I would be in serious trouble :-)

So any tips? What gives with these colombianas? I have done a shitload of countries and in many latin countries I have my calendar packed, sometimes 3-4 hot girls daily. I thought Colombia was heaven for women, but thourh there are a decent amount of good looking girls around, it seems more like hell.

It sucks. Especially since I have no less than 3 weeks left in Colombia (Medellin, Cartagena, Barranquilla). And I seriously feel like flying home to Europe or down to Brazil. This place is cold man. The weather AND the women. Or at least, that is my impression so far.

Was my BIG misunderstanding that I thought Colombia was gold because all you guys love the hookers? (I don't) or am I just misunderstanding how to approach and pick up regular girls here?

Suerte.[/QUOTE]

Thanks. Great forum with such active feedback. Last night here in dull-as-hell Cali I went home early and don't know why but logged onto Livejasmin. Got to talk with a delgada calena, gave her my number holding no hopes, and what do you know she come over and fucked this afternoon. For free. nah, that's a lie, I gave her a Coke Light.

other than that, what has me puzzled about Colombia is that everyone seems to be locked up in their casas. Expect for Saturday (and friday to some extend) the streets, bars, clubs, restaurants, everything is just eeeempty.

So there aren't even anyone around to practice my game on.

I wonder around Sexta, Parque de Perro, heck saturday night I went out to famous party-suburb Menga, and met at most 5 hot girls. I go home to my studio and log on to hi5 or something like that, and there are one million calenas. Come out, man! I make a call through the list of 20+ girls whos numbers I have off some dating sites, and they all gotta study, do chores, or can't be out at night, or at day. Seems people are scared to leave their houses.

Cartagena that bad? I imagined that Cali would have about a 1000 times more action than Cartagena (being provincial, non-tourist, poorer) but there's nothing around here. So yeah, skipping Cartagena might be an idea. Gotta decide on whether to take the extra days in Medellin or Barranquilla then. Medellin scares me a bit, though, I imagine there are too many gringo mongerers there, I like the non touristy places which is why I chose to spend 10 days in Cali in the first place. Bad decision!

Guess I gotta turn to the pros then. Have no time to date for weeks or months. next time I am off to a country where the girls are promiscuous by nature and will be happy to fuck an 'exotic' different looking guy for free, like Brazil...

For now, Colombia has me puzzled.

[QUOTE=Ricker]That's an understatement!

Speaking spanish is not just a help, it's almost imperative to mix with the non-pros.

If you don't, you're severely limiting yourself.

Your youth and pretty blue eyes can only get ya so far. It gets your foot in the door and then you have to be able to rap a bit.

The speaking with a dictionary, well of course it's better than nada, but truthfully, though it may be a bit humorous at first, it's very limiting and difficult to be a cool cat scurrying for words in a dictionary.

Hey, anything is possible, but to anyone that digs traveling to latin America and digs the latinas, learn the language.[/QUOTE]Well yes, if looks doesn't work, then some basic spanish will get your foot in the door. If you want anything meaningful, you'll need to learn spanish!

Well here in Bogota people are genuinely THAT busy. They work and study their asses off and have real complicated schedules. So that's part of it as well. I even mentioned that on another forum. I often still bang pros because even though I have several fuckbuddies here, often I can't get an appointment with ANY of them in a typical week.

[QUOTE=Mesocorny]Thanks. Great forum with such active feedback. Last night here in dull-as-hell Cali I went home early and don't know why but logged onto Livejasmin. Got to talk with a delgada calena, gave her my number holding no hopes, and what do you know she come over and fucked this afternoon. For free. nah, that's a lie, I gave her a Coke Light.

other than that, what has me puzzled about Colombia is that everyone seems to be locked up in their casas. Expect for Saturday (and friday to some extend) the streets, bars, clubs, restaurants, everything is just eeeempty.

So there aren't even anyone around to practice my game on.

I wonder around Sexta, Parque de Perro, heck saturday night I went out to famous party-suburb Menga, and met at most 5 hot girls. I go home to my studio and log on to hi5 or something like that, and there are one million calenas. Come out, man! I make a call through the list of 20+ girls whos numbers I have off some dating sites, and they all gotta study, do chores, or can't be out at night, or at day. Seems people are scared to leave their houses.

Cartagena that bad? I imagined that Cali would have about a 1000 times more action than Cartagena (being provincial, non-tourist, poorer) but there's nothing around here. So yeah, skipping Cartagena might be an idea. Gotta decide on whether to take the extra days in Medellin or Barranquilla then. Medellin scares me a bit, though, I imagine there are too many gringo mongerers there, I like the non touristy places which is why I chose to spend 10 days in Cali in the first place. Bad decision!

Guess I gotta turn to the pros then. Have no time to date for weeks or months. next time I am off to a country where the girls are promiscuous by nature and will be happy to fuck an 'exotic' different looking guy for free, like Brazil...

For now, Colombia has me puzzled.[/QUOTE]I've never been to Cali, but maybe it's more dangerous at night? In Medellin, I have yet to meet a girl that didn't want to go to dinner and dancing. They do flake though and are always tardy.

Medellin is more traveled, but aside from the gringo hot spots. Parque Lleras and Fase Dos. You're not going to see many gringos.

[QUOTE=Hioctane]I've never been to Cali, but maybe it's more dangerous at night? In Medellin, I have yet to meet a girl that didn't want to go to dinner and dancing. They do flake though and are always tardy.

Medellin is more traveled, but aside from the gringo hot spots. Parque Lleras and Fase Dos. You're not going to see many gringos.[/QUOTE]Cali is a fun city too. Was actually my main hangout for a couple years and was the hot spot in Colombia for gringos before Medellin cleaned it's image and was discovered by gringos.

Plenty of chicas to meet and take out in Cali too, but as HILLTOPPER posted nicely a few posts back, it's best to make contacts and friendships before arriving (goes for any city you visit), otherwise you may be spinning wheels for a bit.

Building trust with non-pros generally takes time and patience.

I think lots of guys have the misconception that they'll simply arrive in Colombia and non-pro chicas will just jump at them.

Like I said, in reality it takes time, patience and of course some luck, at least for me anyway.

I like mixing it up with both the pros and non-pros. Keeps things fun and hopping. Just have to keep 'em seperate

Good luck! :)

I have planned a 16 day stay in Colombia, I was thinking along the lines of 2 days Bogota, 8 days Cartagena and 6 days Medellin. Any ideas from veterans on adjusting that?

Things are pretty dead on the Colombia forum lately. I am bored waiting for my next trip to MDE so I am going to mention some of my favorite places in Colombia and maybe that will drum up some interest.

In CTG. LDV and Isis I like. The venders, the heat and the high prices in general I don't like.

In Cali I like to get a good taxi driver to take me to all the Casa's that I would never find on my own. Also like all the different colors of the Chica's.

I don't like the heat and the city is a little to spread out for me.

In BAQ I like Siglo 21 and the hotel Continental, Also the Casino's have the best black jack rules I have ever seen. They let you surrender and also double down after you split aces. I don't like the heat and it is a little more expensive for P4P than MDE.

In Santa Marta The beach is way better than CTG. There is a great resturant on top of the mountain overlooking Rodadero Beach. It is called

Burukuka. I don't mind the heat since I spend a lot of time in the water. Parke Tarone (sic) is also great to C.

P4P is about the same prices as BAQ but not as good a selection of talent.

San Andres is great to take that one special Chica you really want to impress.

MDE has the best weather, Chica prices, and the Metro is also good. I rarely take a taxi once I am in place. My normal day there is Casa trips in the late afternoon, Strip clubs in Centro early evening, and Mayorista late night. I even grab a bite to eat in between all the action. As far as what I don't like, I guess the time when I have to go back to New Jersey.

I'm happy to report that the two boxes I shipped with Avianca Express arrived un-dinged, un-opened and un-damaged, about a week and a half after I left them off. If I had known about the dimensions restrictions, it would have been much cheaper.

I came down on a Pensionada Visa last April. It's now expired, and DAS in Pereira tells me that I have to go to the Minesterio de Relaciones Exteriores in Bogota to petetion for the next increment. Does anyone know what documents I need, or if there is a website I can download them from?

Thanks,

El Minetero

[QUOTE=Borisut]I have planned a 16 day stay in Colombia, I was thinking along the lines of 2 days Bogota, 8 days Cartagena and 6 days Medellin. Any ideas from veterans on adjusting that?[/QUOTE]Personally I would eliminate Bogota and do 6 days CTG and 10 days MDE,CTG is a whole helluva lot more expensive than MDE in case you didn't already know.

Spirit is considered a cheap flight, but God forbid you change your flight dates. Instead of the normal $100 change fee, basically you get a colonoscopy. My $500 flight is now just shy of $1, 000, for no good reason except a date change. I hope I don't have to change again!

[quote=chesrep001]spirit is considered a cheap flight, but god forbid you change your flight dates. instead of the normal $100 change fee, basically you get a colonoscopy. my $500 flight is now just shy of $1, 000, for no good reason except a date change. i hope i don't have to change again![/quote]starting aug. 1st they will be charging a fee for carry on luggage. for me it is really bad since i book the two flights that i need to get to colombia separate as it is usally cheaper that way.

[QUOTE=Borisut]I have planned a 16 day stay in Colombia, I was thinking along the lines of 2 days Bogota, 8 days Cartagena and 6 days Medellin. Any ideas from veterans on adjusting that?[/QUOTE]My suggestion is 3 days in Bogota, 5 days in Cartagena and 8 days in Medellin.

There's a few siteseeing places in Bogota, like taking the funicular to Montserrat etc. plus cases and the Santa Fe district.

I love 'old town' in Cartagena and the beach areas like Laguito, which are pretty safe. But the sexo scene is expensive.

Medellin has the good weather, clean water and a great Metro system. But the sexo scene is the best in So. America. Prices, availability, and variety is great.

[quote=chesrep001]spirit is considered a cheap flight, but god forbid you change your flight dates. instead of the normal $100 change fee, basically you get a colonoscopy. my $500 flight is now just shy of $1, 000, for no good reason except a date change. i hope i don't have to change again![/quote]i just did the fll. ctg rountrip and have booked another trip for next month. each time the fare was $40 each way, and with usa and col fees, the roundtrip ticket cost was around $230. i paid $19 each way for a checked bag, and $7 each way for a snack and drink. that's $282 for an international rountrip flight, of which only $132 went to spirit. what's not cheap about that?

i've flown spirit to colombia around 20 times, so of course there have been a couple of occasions that i've changed my flight dates. it was a $100 change fee, plus any fare differential. so i always made sure to catch the same fare sale to match the cost of the original ticket so that the only charge was the $100 change fee.

for me, spirit is great, but i always buy when they are having a sale-which is quite frequently. the most i've ever paid was just less than $400, and that included the additional cost of flying in a choice seat.

when you subtract out the gov't fees, etc., and just look at what spirit is charging, it would be hard not to concur that they are low-cost carrier.

i know there are different strokes for different folks, as a buddy of mine almost always pays more for his spirit flights. why? because he doesn't look for or wait on the fare sales. when he's ready to go, he gets online a books a ticket that day. me, i'm checking their site constantly for fare sales and only booking trips at those times. with as frequently as i go, i like saving the $100+ difference between a promotional price and a regular fare.

[QUOTE=Vics Picks]Starting Aug. 1st they will be charging a fee for carry on luggage. For me it is really bad since I book the two flights that I need to get to Colombia separate as it is usally cheaper that way.[/QUOTE]Hello, Vic,

I hope all is well your way. We've met before in CTG and I enjoyed the conversation and consider you one of the "good guys" I've met on my travels to Colombia.

I have a different take on Spirit's decision to start charging for carry-on baggage. I'm very happy that they are going to do such and hope it puts a major dent in the number of people who want to bring their "luggage" as a carry-on. Over the last 15+ years this whole carry-on thing has gotten way out of hand. I'm one of those travellers who still flys the old traditional way-you check your "luggage" and your only carry-on is either a briefcase or laptop (and a couple of bottle of tequila purchased at the duty-free store).

Boarding and de-planing times are out of hand due to the volume of people who bring their luggage as a carry-on. On-board safety for flight attendants has deterioted with the large size and sheer number of carry-ons. People are in the aisles cramin' and jamin' their luggage in, some aren't strong enough or tall enough to handle what they have. It's damn ridiculous what people want to bring as a carry-on. Hell, for a person like me who actually only brings a laptop bag on board along with a couple of bottles, if I don't board the plane early, I run the risk of there not being any overhead space due to all the people who don't check their "luggage".

The change was long overdue and is a result of abuse of the original carry-on system by passengers. I say "bravo" Spirit and hope that the other airlines follow. If a person wants the convenience of not having to wait for their "luggage" at the baggage carousel, then make them pay a premium for such a privilege. And make it more expensive that what a person pays who checks their luggage into the belly of the plane!

There won't be a charge for a true carry-on, such as a laptop, briefcase, purse, etc. Maybe now we can go back to having a little sanity in the boarding and de-planing process.

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[QUOTE=Hilltopper]Hello, Vic,

I hope all is well your way. We've met before in CTG and I enjoyed the conversation and consider you one of the "good guys" I've met on my travels to Colombia.

I have a different take on Spirit's decision to start charging for carry-on baggage. I'm very happy that they are going to do such and hope it puts a major dent in the number of people who want to bring their "luggage" as a carry-on. Over the last 15+ years this whole carry-on thing has gotten way out of hand. I'm one of those travellers who still flys the old traditional way-you check your "luggage" and your only carry-on is either a briefcase or laptop (and a couple of bottle of tequila purchased at the duty-free store).

Boarding and de-planing times are out of hand due to the volume of people who bring their luggage as a carry-on. On-board safety for flight attendants has deterioted with the large size and sheer number of carry-ons. People are in the aisles cramin' and jamin' their luggage in, some aren't strong enough or tall enough to handle what they have. It's damn ridiculous what people want to bring as a carry-on. Hell, for a person like me who actually only brings a laptop bag on board along with a couple of bottles, if I don't board the plane early, I run the risk of there not being any overhead space due to all the people who don't check their "luggage".

The change was long overdue and is a result of abuse of the original carry-on system by passengers. I say "bravo" Spirit and hope that the other airlines follow. If a person wants the convenience of not having to wait for their "luggage" at the baggage carousel, then make them pay a premium for such a privilege. And make it more expensive that what a person pays who checks their luggage into the belly of the plane!

There won't be a charge for a true carry-on, such as a laptop, briefcase, purse, etc. Maybe now we can go back to having a little sanity in the boarding and de-planing process.[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree more, it's about time. I get so pissed at the idiots that put their suitcases in the overhead sideways two seconds after they tell you over the intercom to please put your wheeled suitcases in WHEELS FIRST so they can accomodate more luggage.

[QUOTE=Hilltopper]Hello, Vic,

I hope all is well your way. We've met before in CTG and I enjoyed the conversation and consider you one of the "good guys" I've met on my travels to Colombia.

I have a different take on Spirit's decision to start charging for carry-on baggage. I'm very happy that they are going to do such and hope it puts a major dent in the number of people who want to bring their "luggage" as a carry-on. Over the last 15+ years this whole carry-on thing has gotten way out of hand. I'm one of those travellers who still flys the old traditional way-you check your "luggage" and your only carry-on is either a briefcase or laptop (and a couple of bottle of tequila purchased at the duty-free store).

Boarding and de-planing times are out of hand due to the volume of people who bring their luggage as a carry-on. On-board safety for flight attendants has deterioted with the large size and sheer number of carry-ons. People are in the aisles cramin' and jamin' their luggage in, some aren't strong enough or tall enough to handle what they have. It's damn ridiculous what people want to bring as a carry-on. Hell, for a person like me who actually only brings a laptop bag on board along with a couple of bottles, if I don't board the plane early, I run the risk of there not being any overhead space due to all the people who don't check their "luggage".

The change was long overdue and is a result of abuse of the original carry-on system by passengers. I say "bravo" Spirit and hope that the other airlines follow. If a person wants the convenience of not having to wait for their "luggage" at the baggage carousel, then make them pay a premium for such a privilege. And make it more expensive that what a person pays who checks their luggage into the belly of the plane!

There won't be a charge for a true carry-on, such as a laptop, briefcase, purse, etc. Maybe now we can go back to having a little sanity in the boarding and de-planing process.[/QUOTE]The problem I have with this that this is that this is the equivalent of an additional tax. Because luggage of some kind is necessary for any trip.

If the true problem is abuse of carryon and not a case of the airline trying to nickle and dime you to try to make more money, there are alternate solutions:

1) Free check-in bag

2) Strictly enforce the size and weight of a carry-on.

I think this will make everyone happy rather than charging for both and using lower fares to deceive customers.

[QUOTE=Hioctane]The problem I have with this that this is that this is the equivalent of an additional tax. Because luggage of some kind is necessary for any trip.

If the true problem is abuse of carryon and not a case of the airline trying to nickle and dime you to try to make more money, there are alternate solutions:

1) Free check-in bag

2) Strictly enforce the size and weight of a carry-on.

I think this will make everyone happy rather than charging for both and using lower fares to deceive customers.[/QUOTE]With all due respect, I fail to see any deception by Spirit. For example, they have announced over 3 months in advance that they are going to start charging people for carry-on baggage, but that there is still no fee for a true carry-on personal item such as a laptop, briefcase, purse, etc. They've given the reasons for the change, how much they are going to charge, etc.

As someone who has flown them 20+ times to Colombia since they opened their first route in May of 2008, I can tell you with confidence that the reasons they've provided for making the change are not bogus.

I like the having the a la carte options and don't view it as nickling and diming me. If I want a drink or a snack, then I'm happy to pay for it as opposed to it being built into the fare price. If I want to check one or two bags, then I'll pay for it as I so choose. If I now want the convenience of not waiting at the baggage carousel for my luggage, I'll pay for that privilege by paying to have carry-on luggage instead of checking it into the belly of the plan.

With Spirit I have options and only pay for what I want and what suits my travel style. I like that.

Here's an actual example of my trip booked for May (FLL to CTG and back):

Fare: $40 each way

Non-airline gov't/sec fees: $141. 70 for roundtrip

1 checked bag: $19 each way

Add snack and beverage that I'll buy: $7 each way

Total cost: $273. 70, of which $132 goes to Spirit.

I get to make the choices I want and pay only for those choices. I get to customize the trip just for me based on my needs and wants. I end-up taking an international flight that includes a checked bag, a snack and a drink all for $132 charged by Spirit. I sure as hell don't feel nickled and dimed or deceived. It's all right there on their website for me to understand and make my choices-to tailor the trip just the way I like it.

If I want a big front seat, I will happily pay for it. If I want an exit row seat, I will happily pay for it, etc., etc. If I want to not pay for a choice seat and just show-up at the airport to request an aisle seat, then I'll check-in early to improve my chances.

However one cuts it, IMO, I still end-up with a helluva deal from Spirit to fly a direct flight to my favorite destination. $132 to the airline for a roundtrip, non-stop, international flight that includes a checked bag, a snack and a drink.

[QUOTE=Hilltopper]Here's an actual example of my trip booked for May (FLL to CTG and back):

Fare: $40 each way

Non-airline gov't/sec fees: $141. 70 for roundtrip

1 checked bag: $19 each way

Add snack and beverage that I'll buy: $7 each way

Total cost: $273. 70, of which $132 goes to Spirit.[/QUOTE]All I'm saying is. A virtually unavoidable charge should be tacked onto to the cost of the flight rather than pretending to be an option. I have no problem with charging for food. I also understand why they are doing this. Price of tickets are taxed. Addons are not.

It's like going to a movie theater that charges $5 while everyone else charges $9. When you get in the door, they say another $4 if you want a seat. Sure it's optional. But are you really going to stand for 2 hours?

Hi,

I just thought I'd get back. Now in Medellin and in one week here have had sex once! Been to numerous stripjoints, casas, even checked out the street action, but nothing but ugly girls to be found.

So still dumbfounded here in Colombia as to this countries reputation for having great girls available for sex.

Checked out all the escort agencies posted on here, but can easily see that every single one is using fake photos. Lots of photos of American and European porn stars there.

What I have left here in dull-ass Colombia (sorry to those of you who love this country) is 3-4 days in Medellin, 1 in Monteria, 4 in Cartagena, 5 in Barranquilla, 2 in Santa Marta and 3 in Bogota.

- If any of you guys can recommend me anything in terms og escort agencies, chicas, whatever, I would be thrilled.

I basically have two types (of which I am finding no one available for p4p):

1. Slim, young, cute, teen-type.

2. Silicone porn star type

As to type number 2, there's no lack of girls here with silicone tits, but everysingle one has a huge latina ass to go with that. I think many of them actually has silicone asses. I HATE big asses.

Okay, cheers. Thanks again for going along and feedbacking on my sorry ass 6 week barely-no-sex Colombia visit. What a sorry story this is man.

Anybody got a tip on a nice, bright 2-3 BR apt. in a secure part of Barranquilla?

Having trouble finding anything interesting there, and don't want the hassle of a hotel.

[QUOTE=Mesocorny]Hi,

I just thought I'd get back. Now in Medellin and in one week here have had sex once! Been to numerous stripjoints, casas, even checked out the street action, but nothing but ugly girls to be found.

So still dumbfounded here in Colombia as to this countries reputation for having great girls available for sex.

Checked out all the escort agencies posted on here, but can easily see that every single one is using fake photos. Lots of photos of American and European porn stars there.

What I have left here in dull-ass Colombia (sorry to those of you who love this country) is 3-4 days in Medellin, 1 in Monteria, 4 in Cartagena, 5 in Barranquilla, 2 in Santa Marta and 3 in Bogota.

- If any of you guys can recommend me anything in terms og escort agencies, chicas, whatever, I would be thrilled.

I basically have two types (of which I am finding no one available for p4p):

1. Slim, young, cute, teen-type.

2. Silicone porn star type

As to type number 2, there's no lack of girls here with silicone tits, but everysingle one has a huge latina ass to go with that. I think many of them actually has silicone asses. I HATE big asses.

Okay, cheers. Thanks again for going along and feedbacking on my sorry ass 6 week barely-no-sex Colombia visit. What a sorry story this is man.[/QUOTE]That is the funniest shit I ever heard,"dull-ass Colombia" haha, you must be freeking blind if you aren't finding good looking girls here my friend. When you get to Cartagena go to a club called "La Dolce Vita",if you still make that same statement you should definitely quit the mongering game.

[QUOTE=Mesocorny]Hi,

I just thought I'd get back. Now in Medellin and in one week here have had sex once! Been to numerous stripjoints, casas, even checked out the street action, but nothing but ugly girls to be found.

So still dumbfounded here in Colombia as to this countries reputation for having great girls available for sex.

Checked out all the escort agencies posted on here, but can easily see that every single one is using fake photos. Lots of photos of American and European porn stars there.

What I have left here in dull-ass Colombia (sorry to those of you who love this country) is 3-4 days in Medellin, 1 in Monteria, 4 in Cartagena, 5 in Barranquilla, 2 in Santa Marta and 3 in Bogota.

- If any of you guys can recommend me anything in terms og escort agencies, chicas, whatever, I would be thrilled.

I basically have two types (of which I am finding no one available for p4p):

1. Slim, young, cute, teen-type.

2. Silicone porn star type

As to type number 2, there's no lack of girls here with silicone tits, but everysingle one has a huge latina ass to go with that. I think many of them actually has silicone asses. I HATE big asses.

Okay, cheers. Thanks again for going along and feedbacking on my sorry ass 6 week barely-no-sex Colombia visit. What a sorry story this is man.[/QUOTE]Start off with:
casas: Loutrons, New Life, Sexi, Energy
Stripclubs: Fase Dos, San Diego

The addresses are in the lists section (you did print it out right and did do some form of research before going to a foreign country right?). After you check these places out.. go through the rest of the places.

[QUOTE=Mesocorny]Hi,

I just thought I'd get back. Now in Medellin and in one week here have had sex once! Been to numerous stripjoints, casas, even checked out the street action, but nothing but ugly girls to be found.

So still dumbfounded here in Colombia as to this countries reputation for having great girls available for sex.

Checked out all the escort agencies posted on here, but can easily see that every single one is using fake photos. Lots of photos of American and European porn stars there.

What I have left here in dull-ass Colombia (sorry to those of you who love this country) is 3-4 days in Medellin, 1 in Monteria, 4 in Cartagena, 5 in Barranquilla, 2 in Santa Marta and 3 in Bogota.

- If any of you guys can recommend me anything in terms og escort agencies, chicas, whatever, I would be thrilled.

I basically have two types (of which I am finding no one available for p4p):

1. Slim, young, cute, teen-type.

2. Silicone porn star type

As to type number 2, there's no lack of girls here with silicone tits, but everysingle one has a huge latina ass to go with that. I think many of them actually has silicone asses. I HATE big asses.

Okay, cheers. Thanks again for going along and feedbacking on my sorry ass 6 week barely-no-sex Colombia visit. What a sorry story this is man.[/QUOTE]Imaginate!

Amigo you're either blind, way too picky or just lost!

I just did a casa run here in Medellin. Took me a couple casas but I found a total cutie, 19 years old, new and still sweet.

Got her number for maybe later at my place.

That's just one example. It's really not that difficult.

You should probably cancel all your other side trips and head to Cartagena and the club LDV. You'll find something there. Hopefully.

If not, well then you're destined for a sexless vacation or you may have to stoop down and have sex with all these ugly Colombianas like the rest of us.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=Manizales911]That is the funniest shit I ever heard,"dull-ass Colombia" haha, you must be freeking blind if you aren't finding good looking girls here my friend. When you get to Cartagena go to a club called "La Dolce Vita",if you still make that same statement you should definitely quit the mongering game.[/QUOTE]Any fool can p4p. My disappointment in Colombia stems from the fact that picking up regular good looking girls for fun is close to impossible, as opposed to a number of countries in Latin America where you can pick up 5 cute 18-teen your old girls daily if time permits. Sure, I have had a good 10 plus dates here, but non-pros here does not sleep with a guy on the first date.

Apart from the fact that you are right that there is no lack of prostitutes here, I find most of them to be below average looking. I have visited the 2-3 major strip joints in Bogota, Cali and Medellin and am definately not impressed. have yet to take a single prepago home with me.

If that's funny, then go ahead and laugh. I personally find it depressing.

[QUOTE=Manizales911]That is the funniest shit I ever heard, "dull-ass Colombia" haha, you must be freeking blind if you aren't finding good looking girls here my friend. When you get to Cartagena go to a club called "La Dolce Vita", if you still make that same statement you should definitely quit the mongering game.[/QUOTE]They say "cada loco con su cabeza". I guess if you prefer flat asses over curvy ones Asia is the place for you.

I wouldn't by any stretch call Colombian women the most ACCESSIBLE on the planet, unless you are paying for it. But I'd defend them to the end on QUALITY.

[QUOTE=Mesocorny]Anybody got a tip on a nice, bright 2-3 BR apt. in a secure part of Barranquilla?

Having trouble finding anything interesting there, and don't want the hassle of a hotel.[/QUOTE]How long you are planning to stay?

[QUOTE=Mesocorny]Any fool can p4p. My disappointment in Colombia stems from the fact that picking up regular good looking girls for fun is close to impossible, as opposed to a number of countries in Latin America where you can pick up 5 cute 18-teen your old girls daily if time permits. Sure, I have had a good 10 plus dates here, but non-pros here does not sleep with a guy on the first date.

Apart from the fact that you are right that there is no lack of prostitutes here, I find most of them to be below average looking. I have visited the 2-3 major strip joints in Bogota, Cali and Medellin and am definately not impressed. have yet to take a single prepago home with me.

If that's funny, then go ahead and laugh. I personally find it depressing.[/QUOTE]Definitely funny!

First of all, in your original post of sadness, you spoke mainly if not completely of the PFP scene.

Personally I find it difficult NOT to meet beautiful girls out here in Medellin, pros or non pros.

Big deal if a non pro doesn't sleep with you on the first date. That's normal. Just show her a little fun and romance and that'll come easily.

As far as the PFP scene, well in my world here in Medellin, of course I see the average looking chicas, lots of them, but there are plenty of beauties too. The hunt is half the fun!

All this aside, I bet you'd be just a blast to hang out with. Hahaha.

Take care and Good Luck to ya.

[QUOTE=Mesocorny]Any fool can p4p. My disappointment in Colombia stems from the fact that picking up regular good looking girls for fun is close to impossible, as opposed to a number of countries in Latin America where you can pick up 5 cute 18-teen your old girls daily if time permits. Sure, I have had a good 10 plus dates here, but non-pros here does not sleep with a guy on the first date.

Apart from the fact that you are right that there is no lack of prostitutes here, I find most of them to be below average looking. I have visited the 2-3 major strip joints in Bogota, Cali and Medellin and am definately not impressed. have yet to take a single prepago home with me.

If that's funny, then go ahead and laugh. I personally find it depressing.[/QUOTE]Give us some samples of countries where you do this so easy... If it is in fact that easy are you sure they are not P4P? Non-pros are like regular girls! They need to be whined and dined! It might take some work and more than one date but a heck of a lot less dates than is required to bed a girl in the States!

“Give us some samples of countries where you do this so easy”

Brazil, DR, Cuba, Russia, Ukraine, Romania, I could go on. In all of these countries any decent looking young Western-looking guy with basic communication skills in the local language, can go out and find a model-type girl any average night and take her home for free. I Speak good Spanish and decent Portuguese (and almost all Romanians speak Spanish). As for Russia and Ukraine got non-nacional friends there, normal looking guys, doing supermodels on a daily basis.

In Brazil and Cuba I can go leave my apartment and be back with a hot 18-year old girl within 3-4 hours, no matter the time of day or day of the week.

Semi-pro is another issue. Don’t mind that once in a while, works out in Cuba and in some places in Brazil and DR. I have no idea as to the semi-pro scene in Col. The girls are ladies, who goes up to some hot well-dressed 20 year old girl in a group of friends and offers her whatever cash to go home and fuck?

“Big deal if a non pro doesn't sleep with you on the first date. That's normal. Just show her a little fun and romance and that'll come easily.”

Who’s got time on a 10 day stay to date the same girl 3-4 times, take her out and wine and dine? I don’t. I may be an asshole, that’s cool, but when I travel to the before mentioned countries I like to have a new girl at least every second day or so.

As for me starting out talking P4P that was then, I was in dull-ass Cali and bored and giving up. If one can’t find free pussy, what’s the next step for a regular guy? I’d rather take home regular girls every day, but I am not spending 6 weeks in Colombia jerking off out over the balcony (aiming at the portero), so P4P it is if P4free is not happening.

Oh, so I called up this Isa recommended in here as I thought that since people recommended here with links, photos must be real. Jesus Christ that’s the dullest piece of pussy I have ever seen. And while she looks decent enough, doesn’t look anything like the photos. So even the escort scene here runs exclusively on fake photos I guess.

And the amount of fat-ass worn-out hookers I have seen in the bars in every town I have been in. Dios mio. I agree that the standard of Colombian women is high, but not in the casas or clubs.

“heck of a lot less dates than is required to bed a girl in the States!”

Yeah well, that’s the last place I would ever go with pussy on my mind. Must be – no offense intended – the only country I can imagine that has more fat assed women that Columbia.

Thanks for keeping me buisy. I don’t mind being marked. As I said from the start, I am sure it’s me who don’t get it, and not you. Just baffled that it’s so far from I thought it would be.

[QUOTE=Viajero]How long you are planning to stay?[/QUOTE]In Barranquilla for 6 days from next week. Love to get some help. Finding absolutely nothing online, and now with just 4-5 days to my arrival there getting a little worried.

Cause it's one thing to be pussy-less in a nice penthouse in Poblado, Medellin. I am sure it's another to be pussy-less in a crap apartment in hot, dirty Barranquilla.

I prefer to jerk off in a nice ambiance.

[QUOTE=Hioctane]Give us some samples of countries where you do this so easy... If it is in fact that easy are you sure they are not P4P? Non-pros are like regular girls! They need to be whined and dined! It might take some work and more than one date but a heck of a lot less dates than is required to bed a girl in the States![/QUOTE]x2 Mesocorny what othe rplaces are better and easier?

I do agree with you though sometimes Medellin is talked up a bit AND constantly forking out money for girls gets old pretty quick.

[QUOTE=Mesocorny]

Brazil, DR, Cuba, Russia, Ukraine, Romania, I could go on. In all of these countries any decent looking young Western-looking guy with basic communication skills in the local language, can go out and find a model-type girl any average night and take her home for free. I Speak good Spanish and decent Portuguese (and almost all Romanians speak Spanish). As for Russia and Ukraine got non-nacional friends there, normal looking guys, doing supermodels on a daily basis.

In Brazil and Cuba I can go leave my apartment and be back with a hot 18-year old girl within 3-4 hours, no matter the time of day or day of the week.[/QUOTE]The only place from that list that I've been to is DR. To me the regular girls there seems harder to be approach. In DR, where do you go and what do you do? Maybe I can get a better idea of what you like.

[QUOTE=Mesocorny]In Barranquilla for 6 days from next week. Love to get some help. Finding absolutely nothing online, and now with just 4-5 days to my arrival there getting a little worried.[/QUOTE]If you're disappointed with the P4P scene in Cali and Medellin, then I think BAQ will be an almost complete dud for you, you might want to consider a change in plans. I haven't been there but from what I've read in the forums, it's not a big or accessible scene either with pros or non-pros compared to the other Colombian cities.

I'd stay in MDE if I were you and tough it out. BOG and MDE are the easiest cities in Colombia to meet and bed pros or non-pros. If you can't make it happen in either of those two cities, forget the rest of the country.

As for the Cartagena option, I personally think CTG is overrated for either regular tourism or P4P. The heat and touts got to me; not to mention I found the city not all that pretty outside the picturesque Old City. Bocagrande is like a poor-man's Miami Beach, and just as tacky. Still, there's always some sweeties at LDV if you can navigate around the skanks and crazies that now haunt the place, LOL! :)

In any case, staying in MDE and toughing it out is the best way for you to actually learn and achieve something as opposed to jumping around the country. [But only if you're open to learning and adjusting your approach to find something that works for you]

Your Plan B in my opinion is Bogota. It's the most cosmopolitan Colombian city, so the women there are a bit less conservative when it comes to meeting/dating foreigners, although they're not as hot as the paisas and caleñas.

But stop thinking and expecting sex on the first date. You're coming of a bit desperate and frustrated in your posts here; any half-decent colombiana non-pro will sense this as well and that can be a big turnoff for them.

Truth is, while I find many colombianas to be quite pretty, many are also skin deep and flaky. You really need good charm, humor, chit-chat, and bs skills with them, your foreigner status is NOT enough to close the deal with most of the non-pros. Colombianas can blab away for hours, about nothing in particular! Sometimes I'm left in a daze. :) That's why I usually prefer the pros as you cut around all the courtship hassle.

Besides your overeager vibe, it sounds like you picked up some habits or attitudes from your travels in other countries that don't carry over well into this country. Colombia is definitely a different place and you need to respect that. Instead of indulging the hater-ade, think about how you prepared (or did you?) for the trip.

I'm surprised you couldn't find much fun in Cali. Did you read Cubanut's and Jergen's reports and apply their advice? If only the hottest caleñas are acceptable for you, then there's Flores Frescas and the agency lasprofesionales.com although they're not cheap (and I find the women of FF can be quite cold & mechanical).

As for MDE venues, have you tried Lindas Chicas (aka, Casa de Piedra)? The lady that works there gets her cut, but she should be able to find some acceptable pro or semi-pro for you if you tell her what you're looking for.

I'm not sure if Lejano Oriente is still around but you may want to check it out. Go to Parque Poblado and ask one of the many taxistas hanging out there if one of them can take you (not all taxistas are allowed to take people there as it's a secret place). I can't guarantee success but if you're running out of options, you can at least check that one off the list. I think it's an interesting place to see, they have some pretty girls although no real stunners.

More practical advice would be to use a local male friend to introduce you to non-pros, or try to talk to one of the club promoters. Once you've gained their trust, those guys can introduce you to the hottest semi-pros or prepagas, although those girls don't come cheap! If you want access to the hottest non-pros and semi-pros, you'll need to network because meeting these girls is usually done through introductions; if you haven't figured it out already the cold approach doesn't work here as often as it does in the other countries you've been in. So Colombia is kind of closed to outsiders that way. . .

I think the jumping around is one factor that's also not helping your game. Stay in one place, be open-minded, take a deep breath and RELAX around the non-pros, try a few different things until something clicks for you. You're running out of time but if you apply the above advice, you might score and more importantly, you might learn something about yourself!

[QUOTE=Mesocorny]“Give us some samples of countries where you do this so easy”

Brazil, DR, Cuba, Russia, Ukraine, Romania, I could go on. In all of these countries any decent looking young Western-looking guy with basic communication skills in the local language, can go out and find a model-type girl any average night and take her home for free. I Speak good Spanish and decent Portuguese (and almost all Romanians speak Spanish). As for Russia and Ukraine got non-nacional friends there, normal looking guys, doing supermodels on a daily basis.

In Brazil and Cuba I can go leave my apartment and be back with a hot 18-year old girl within 3-4 hours, no matter the time of day or day of the week.

Semi-pro is another issue. Don’t mind that once in a while, works out in Cuba and in some places in Brazil and DR. I have no idea as to the semi-pro scene in Col. The girls are ladies, who goes up to some hot well-dressed 20 year old girl in a group of friends and offers her whatever cash to go home and fuck?

“Big deal if a non pro doesn't sleep with you on the first date. That's normal. Just show her a little fun and romance and that'll come easily.”

Who’s got time on a 10 day stay to date the same girl 3-4 times, take her out and wine and dine? I don’t. I may be an asshole, that’s cool, but when I travel to the before mentioned countries I like to have a new girl at least every second day or so.

As for me starting out talking P4P that was then, I was in dull-ass Cali and bored and giving up. If one can’t find free pussy, what’s the next step for a regular guy? I’d rather take home regular girls every day, but I am not spending 6 weeks in Colombia jerking off out over the balcony (aiming at the portero), so P4P it is if P4free is not happening.

Oh, so I called up this Isa recommended in here as I thought that since people recommended here with links, photos must be real. Jesus Christ that’s the dullest piece of pussy I have ever seen. And while she looks decent enough, doesn’t look anything like the photos. So even the escort scene here runs exclusively on fake photos I guess.

And the amount of fat-ass worn-out hookers I have seen in the bars in every town I have been in. Dios mio. I agree that the standard of Colombian women is high, but not in the casas or clubs.

“heck of a lot less dates than is required to bed a girl in the States!”

Yeah well, that’s the last place I would ever go with pussy on my mind. Must be – no offense intended – the only country I can imagine that has more fat assed women that Columbia.

Thanks for keeping me buisy. I don’t mind being marked. As I said from the start, I am sure it’s me who don’t get it, and not you. Just baffled that it’s so far from I thought it would be.[/QUOTE]Dude, you can't even spell the the name of the damn country correctly and want to hook up with its women for free? Give us all a break,please.

By the way it's Col-o-mbia.

[QUOTE=Mesocorny]In Barranquilla for 6 days from next week. Love to get some help. Finding absolutely nothing online, and now with just 4-5 days to my arrival there getting a little worried.

Cause it's one thing to be pussy-less in a nice penthouse in Poblado, Medellin. I am sure it's another to be pussy-less in a crap apartment in hot, dirty Barranquilla.

I prefer to jerk off in a nice ambiance.[/QUOTE]I actually thought it was against the law to jerk off in Colombia, there's so many chicas that need lovin' ... jajaja

I'd love to help you but it seems that the Colombia you're visiting is completely different than the one I was just in for a couple weeks.

I can hardly go a few hours without falling in love/lust, flirting, finding a new NP contact, meeting a pro who I click with, finding a beauty diamond in the rough.

I do wish you luck

"As for MDE venues, have you tried Lindas Chicas (aka, Casa de Piedra)? The lady that works there gets her cut, but she should be able to find some acceptable pro or semi-pro for you if you tell her what you're looking for."

I went there no less than three nights in a row. Nancy called up 3-4 girls every night and promised me next night she would bring girls that suited my taste. I told her it was simple: Young and slim. Every got damned girl presented to me was 25 and with an ass like J. Lo.

As for staying in one place and skipping Cartegena and BAQ, I am here for work and have no choice. I am now in CTG and I totally agree that this is a poor mans Miami Beach. The heat is bad and all the girls are ugly.

Medellin was the place I liked the best, all though that really does not say much as I have yet to fall in love with any place in this country.

Sure, it's got one of the biggest hooker-scenes in the world, but jesus hace I seen lots of ugly hookers.

Thanks for indulging. I have given up trying to get some beauties here. Now just working and going home to sleep. I toured every got damn club in CTG saturday and saw at least 100 prepagos. They were all between ugly and average.

If anyone has a tip on an apartment in BAQ, I would be thrilled. That is the only challenge I have left in this country.

[QUOTE=Ricker]I actually thought it was against the law to jerk off in Colombia, there's so many chicas that need lovin' ... jajaja

I'd love to help you but it seems that the Colombia you're visiting is completely different than the one I was just in for a couple weeks.

I can hardly go a few hours without falling in love/lust, flirting, finding a new NP contact, meeting a pro who I click with, finding a beauty diamond in the rough.

I do wish you luck[/QUOTE]Man I was starting to worry about my trip next week to MDE. All these guys saying that they are having trouble getting to screw beautiful women there.

I feel better now knowing that you found some to bag.

Lets see, Casa's in the afternoon, strip clubs after dinner, then Mayorista late at night. Yes I think I will be OK. LOL

[QUOTE=Ricker]You should probably cancel all your other side trips and head to Cartagena and the club LDV. You'll find something there. Hopefully.[/QUOTE]Okay, this spells my conclusion! Just returned from a seriously boring evening in Cartagena, and thought I would look up this LDV place online, find the address and head there. After some research now realize this is La Dolce Vita, the place I went Saturday night and just dropped into on my way home an hour ago.

Seriously, if this sad joint is the ultimate in Colombia, then my conclusion is that all the wonderful things I have read and heard about Colombia has come from guys with a completely different taste than mine.

Now I was at LDV Saturday night prime time (1-2) and while there was no lack of girls there (at least 30) there was one I would have done for free if I had been more horny, while the rest of them would have to pay serious cash if I was to stick anything in there. What a bunch of fat, worn-out, tired-looking hookers.

I thought I was in a dump my some strange stroke of chance. Turns out I was in the best P4P joint in Colombia?

Just passed by on my way home. Okay, it's Monday night. There were five girls in there, all about as attractive as Barbara Bush. Gee, the horror.

Okay, amigos, I am done here I think. No need for me to take up more time. Realize that Colombia is probably great for paying for fat-assed regular to ugly looking girls. I like myself a nice sexy model-type flaquita, and I have seen nothing of the likes in any club or casa in Bogota, Cali, Medellin or Cartagena. And I have done my share!

So I am the one at fault. The misunderstanding lies in taste. Colombia is a mongerers paradise for anybody who likes the round, half-heavy tijuana-type latina. I'll be enjoying the beach and music and getting some work done. before I thought I has to hunt, because I thought it MUST be out there somewhere, now I know there's nothing out there.

[QUOTE=Mesocorny]"As for MDE venues, have you tried Lindas Chicas (aka, Casa de Piedra)? The lady that works there gets her cut, but she should be able to find some acceptable pro or semi-pro for you if you tell her what you're looking for."

I went there no less than three nights in a row. Nancy called up 3-4 girls every night and promised me next night she would bring girls that suited my taste. I told her it was simple: Young and slim. Every got damned girl presented to me was 25 and with an ass like J. Lo.

As for staying in one place and skipping Cartegena and BAQ, I am here for work and have no choice. I am now in CTG and I totally agree that this is a poor mans Miami Beach. The heat is bad and all the girls are ugly.

Medellin was the place I liked the best, all though that really does not say much as I have yet to fall in love with any place in this country.

Sure, it's got one of the biggest hooker-scenes in the world, but jesus hace I seen lots of ugly hookers.

Thanks for indulging. I have given up trying to get some beauties here. Now just working and going home to sleep. I toured every got damn club in CTG saturday and saw at least 100 prepagos. They were all between ugly and average.

If anyone has a tip on an apartment in BAQ, I would be thrilled. That is the only challenge I have left in this country.[/QUOTE]Here's an idea. How about you post some pics of girls from other countries that you actually like? Maybe then we can get a better idea of what you are in to and where you should go. If you've seen so many girls and still can't find someone that you like, Colombia might just not be to your taste. Which is very well possible. Just like I would never go to some countries because I know I won't like the girls there. From the pics in the Colombia section, you should be able to tell if you're going to like them though.

[QUOTE=Mesocorny]"As for MDE venues, have you tried Lindas Chicas (aka, Casa de Piedra)? The lady that works there gets her cut, but she should be able to find some acceptable pro or semi-pro for you if you tell her what you're looking for."

I went there no less than three nights in a row. Nancy called up 3-4 girls every night and promised me next night she would bring girls that suited my taste. I told her it was simple: Young and slim. Every got damned girl presented to me was 25 and with an ass like J. Lo.

As for staying in one place and skipping Cartegena and BAQ, I am here for work and have no choice. I am now in CTG and I totally agree that this is a poor mans Miami Beach. The heat is bad and all the girls are ugly.

Medellin was the place I liked the best, all though that really does not say much as I have yet to fall in love with any place in this country.

Sure, it's got one of the biggest hooker-scenes in the world, but jesus hace I seen lots of ugly hookers.

Thanks for indulging. I have given up trying to get some beauties here. Now just working and going home to sleep. I toured every got damn club in CTG saturday and saw at least 100 prepagos. They were all between ugly and average.

If anyone has a tip on an apartment in BAQ, I would be thrilled. That is the only challenge I have left in this country.[/QUOTE]I think before you said you were going to be in BAQ for just a few days. Forget an apartment and just go to the Hotel Continatal. It is located in a very safe section near the university. Chica friendly and around $50 a night. I rate it a four star hotel.

As far as you wanting young pretty Flaca's then bring your wallet and go to Luistania. A short taxi ride from the hotel. 10,000 peso cover charge and last time I was there it was 180 K for a real stunner. Now that I think about it there is no place that I have been that has any better looking girls. A few months ago on Wed. nights they have all the girls wearing bras and pantys with the garter belts and hose. Your eyes will bug out. As always collect some numbers. They will be happy to beat the house out of thier cut.

[QUOTE=Vics Picks]Man I was starting to worry about my trip next week to MDE. All these guys saying that they are having trouble getting to screw beautiful women there.

I feel better now knowing that you found some to bag.

Lets see, Casa's in the afternoon, strip clubs after dinner, then Mayorista late at night. Yes I think I will be OK. LOL[/QUOTE]Si amigo, you'll be OK. LOL.

I found some real cuties in the casas last week, and it seems that every little strip club I entered had at least one hot chica just waiting for me.

The Mayorista, well it seemed every night I visited, after midnight, the quality picked up.

As you know, lots of lesser quality chicas out there, but always some hot ones, and I saw a few new ones I hadn't seen before.

Have fun!

Viajero, did you have any tips on an apartment in Barranquilla?

Traveling with a friend. Hotel doesn't make sense as we would need two rooms, and two small rooms would easily be more than a nice apartment.

The problem is, here in Colombia, a girl having a flat ass is seen as a SHAMEFUL thing. Girls don't even want to leave their house unless they have a curvy ass. Pretty hard to find flat assed girls when the whole culture is against it. I dunno how this guy liked Brazil or DR though, because it's even more of a big-ass (hah) deal over there.

[QUOTE=Mesocorny]

. Okay, amigos, I am done here I think. No need for me to take up more time. Realize that Colombia is probably great for paying for fat-assed regular to ugly looking girls. I like myself a nice sexy model-type flaquita, and I have seen nothing of the likes in any club or casa in Bogota, Cali, Medellin or Cartagena. And I have done my share!

So I am the one at fault. The misunderstanding lies in taste. Colombia is a mongerers paradise for anybody who likes the round, half-heavy tijuana-type latina. I'll be enjoying the beach and music and getting some work done. Before I thought I has to hunt, because I thought it MUST be out there somewhere, now I know there's nothing out there.[/QUOTE]You must be the UNLUCKIEST guy on the planet!

Everywhere you go in Colombia there are only round fat chicks, and every other guy on the planet that visits Colombia falls in love.

Now I haven't been to Cartagena in quite a while but I just left Medellin a few days ago.

I saw, found and had fun with more beautiful flaquitas than I can remember.

Dude, I found them in casas, el Centro Strip clubs, higher end clubs and the Mansion and actually even the Mayorista.

Matter of fact, I found maybe the most beautiful chica I've ever had the pleasure of being with in an el Centro Casa, one off the beaten path that guys don't visit much.

I was stunned when she walked out to present and stayed with her for a few hours.

Tijuana-type latina? Yeah, right. Not even close.

I hope your luck changes amigo, for now you seem to have an ugly-hex thrown on you and you're stuck in Tijuana, something out of the Twilight Zone ... :)

[QUOTE=Mesocorny]Okay, this spells my conclusion! Just returned from a seriously boring evening in Cartagena, and thought I would look up this LDV place online, find the address and head there. After some research now realize this is La Dolce Vita, the place I went Saturday night and just dropped into on my way home an hour ago.

Seriously, if this sad joint is the ultimate in Colombia, then my conclusion is that all the wonderful things I have read and heard about Colombia has come from guys with a completely different taste than mine.

Now I was at LDV Saturday night prime time (1-2) and while there was no lack of girls there (at least 30) there was one I would have done for free if I had been more horny, while the rest of them would have to pay serious cash if I was to stick anything in there. What a bunch of fat, worn-out, tired-looking hookers.

I thought I was in a dump my some strange stroke of chance. Turns out I was in the best P4P joint in Colombia?

Just passed by on my way home. Okay, it's Monday night. There were five girls in there, all about as attractive as Barbara Bush. Gee, the horror.

Okay, amigos, I am done here I think. No need for me to take up more time. Realize that Colombia is probably great for paying for fat-assed regular to ugly looking girls. I like myself a nice sexy model-type flaquita, and I have seen nothing of the likes in any club or casa in Bogota, Cali, Medellin or Cartagena. And I have done my share!

So I am the one at fault. The misunderstanding lies in taste. Colombia is a mongerers paradise for anybody who likes the round, half-heavy tijuana-type latina. I'll be enjoying the beach and music and getting some work done. before I thought I has to hunt, because I thought it MUST be out there somewhere, now I know there's nothing out there.[/QUOTE]Dude you're so full of shit your eyes are brown.

I have been in LDV plenty of times and though I admit there are plenty of worn out hardcore ***res in there, there is always some hot girls in there.

[QUOTE=Ricker]You must be the UNLUCKIEST guy on the planet!

Everywhere you go in Colombia there are only round fat chicks, and every other guy on the planet that visits Colombia falls in love.

Now I haven't been to Cartagena in quite a while but I just left Medellin a few days ago.

I saw, found and had fun with more beautiful flaquitas than I can remember.

Dude, I found them in casas, el Centro Strip clubs, higher end clubs and the Mansion and actually even the Mayorista.

Matter of fact, I found maybe the most beautiful chica I've ever had the pleasure of being with in an el Centro Casa, one off the beaten path that guys don't visit much.

I was stunned when she walked out to present and stayed with her for a few hours.

Tijuana-type latina? Yeah, right. Not even close.

I hope your luck changes amigo.

I'm sure glad I've been fortunate and with the good luck in finding hot chicas.[/QUOTE]Ricker,

I always admire your reports and I am a fan of your's ,I sure wonder what thsi gentleman was talking about. My problem in Colombia was the hardest part is to make up my mind which one I was going to screw that night because they all looked model types.

[QUOTE=Mesocorny]Viajero, did you have any tips on an apartment in Barranquilla?

Traveling with a friend. Hotel doesn't make sense as we would need two rooms, and two small rooms would easily be more than a nice apartment.[/QUOTE]Sorry amigo , I do have little connections there, but the people I know are looking for a long term renter only. Your best bet for a short term rental would be hotels.

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]The problem is, here in Colombia, a girl having a flat ass is seen as a SHAMEFUL thing. Girls don't even want to leave their house unless they have a curvy ass. Pretty hard to find flat assed girls when the whole culture is against it. I dunno how this guy liked Brazil or DR though, because it's even more of a big-ass (hah) deal over there.[/QUOTE]So true.

I know a girl in Colombia who saved up some money for plastic surgery. Did she go for breast implant that she probably needs? NO

She went to have her already non-flat ass enlarged.

A big round Latina ass is whats treasured down there.

I just got back from a week and a half in Cartagena, Colombia. I used "Girlfriend 4 a Week" to supply my sex/travel partner. I know most of the action on this board is for Mongerers who like to find the best girls for the best deals and don't use agencies. To pick up girls in Cartagena you have to either go for street girls or hang out at nightclubs or stripclubs. Which to me is a collosal waste of time. Also these girls normally think in terms of hours or over night, or maybe they aren't professionals at all.

I believe you always end up "paying for it. " I prefer professionals. Amateurs/Non-Pros charge in "Emotional Units" instead of cash. An "Emotional Unit" is a combination of attention and time. Attention can come in all kinds of forms from simple banter and drinks to long term commitments (with meeting her parents and taking her shopping falling some where in between). I have to tell you I'd pay big bucks to avoid an "Emotional Unit" almost every time.

Robert (of GF4W) and I exchanged several e-mails and I settled on Grace, a girl with good English skills, some college and looks between Tyra Banks and Imam, 23 years old. She met me at the airport, I paid $250 for her plane trip from Medellin. We hugged and went looking for the hotel transport I had reserved. When we couldn't find the hotel van I gave her the phone number and she called the hotel to find out where the van was. I don't speak Spanish and I'd never been to Cartagena before. Cartagena is a major tourist destination but not for English speakers.

Having someone who could help me with my Spanish pronunciation, "Quanto? " "He wants to know how much the taxi fair is going to be before you go any further" was invaluable. And having her explain to the waiter who felt my refusal to order wine or a mixed drink with dinner was an insult to his manhood that I was Diabetic and would just order water saved a lot of frustration.

But what I really enjoyed was watching her walk through the room, naked, three or more times a day. I liked that she was willing to wear a sheer Malibu Strings bikini in public, in fact she loved every thing I gave her to wear, even when the blouse kept slipping and revealing her nipple to the public. A week of watching other men stare at her and envy me was pretty great too. (At the beach one day I watched a guy track her with his still camera as she emerged from the ocean in a yellow bikini that put Halle Berry to shame. He kept taking pictures of her even after his girlfriend returned.) And she didn't take offense when I said I wanted to check out a strip club/brothel. In fact she had such a good time the other guys were watching her more than the strippers. And she picked out a really cute girl for us to take back to the hotel for a midnight skinny dip and all night threesome. To say I'm extremely happy with the service "Girlfriend 4 a Week" provided is an incredible understatement. I'm going to Santa Marta, another Caribbean coastal Colombian tourist destination, but not with out "Girlfriend 4 a Week. "

Mesocorny,

You're 24 years old! What kind of experience have you actually had?

[QUOTE=Vics Picks]I think before you said you were going to be in BAQ for just a few days. Forget an apartment and just go to the Hotel Continatal. It is located in a very safe section near the university. Chica friendly and around $50 a night. I rate it a four star hotel.

As far as you wanting young pretty Flaca's then bring your wallet and go to Luistania. A short taxi ride from the hotel. 10,000 peso cover charge and last time I was there it was 180 K for a real stunner. Now that I think about it there is no place that I have been that has any better looking girls. A few months ago on Wed. nights they have all the girls wearing bras and pantys with the garter belts and hose. Your eyes will bug out. As always collect some numbers. They will be happy to beat the house out of thier cut.[/QUOTE]I think Lusitania in Barranquilla is a rip off and not worth it at all.Girls too aggressive and you can tell from their behavior all they want is what's in your wallet.I wish they have casas like Casa de Piedra in Medellin , I found that to be the best value for your money in all of Colombia.

[QUOTE=Mesocorny]Okay, amigos, I am done here I think. No need for me to take up more time. Realize that Colombia is probably great for paying for fat-assed regular to ugly looking girls. I like myself a nice sexy model-type flaquita, and I have seen nothing of the likes in any club or casa in Bogota, Cali, Medellin or Cartagena. And I have done my share!

So I am the one at fault. The misunderstanding lies in taste. Colombia is a mongerers paradise for anybody who likes the round, half-heavy tijuana-type latina. I'll be enjoying the beach and music and getting some work done. before I thought I has to hunt, because I thought it MUST be out there somewhere, now I know there's nothing out there.[/QUOTE]There you go fellas, you'll want to skip Colombia unless your preference is for fatties or uglies. Stick with Panama, Costa Rica, DR, etc., and leave Colombia for those of us who like 'em fat or with faces that shatter mirrors.

Now you know the real reason why I'll be back in Colombia again next week....to do my best Richard Simmons impersonation of trying to whip those pounds off heavy-bottom Colombianas, lmao.

[QUOTE=John Scott]I just got back from a week and a half in Cartagena, Colombia. I used "Girlfriend 4 a Week" to supply my sex/travel partner. I know most of the action on this board is for Mongerers who like to find the best girls for the best deals and don't use agencies. To pick up girls in Cartagena you have to either go for street girls or hang out at nightclubs or stripclubs. Which to me is a collosal waste of time. Also these girls normally think in terms of hours or over night, or maybe they aren't professionals at all.

I believe you always end up "paying for it. " I prefer professionals. Amateurs/Non-Pros charge in "Emotional Units" instead of cash. An "Emotional Unit" is a combination of attention and time. Attention can come in all kinds of forms from simple banter and drinks to long term commitments (with meeting her parents and taking her shopping falling some where in between). I have to tell you I'd pay big bucks to avoid an "Emotional Unit" almost every time.

Robert (of GF4W) and I exchanged several e-mails and I settled on Grace, a girl with good English skills, some college and looks between Tyra Banks and Imam, 23 years old. She met me at the airport, I paid $250 for her plane trip from Medellin. We hugged and went looking for the hotel transport I had reserved. When we couldn't find the hotel van I gave her the phone number and she called the hotel to find out where the van was. I don't speak Spanish and I'd never been to Cartagena before. Cartagena is a major tourist destination but not for English speakers.

Having someone who could help me with my Spanish pronunciation, "Quanto? " "He wants to know how much the taxi fair is going to be before you go any further" was invaluable. And having her explain to the waiter who felt my refusal to order wine or a mixed drink with dinner was an insult to his manhood that I was Diabetic and would just order water saved a lot of frustration.

But what I really enjoyed was watching her walk through the room, naked, three or more times a day. I liked that she was willing to wear a sheer Malibu Strings bikini in public, in fact she loved every thing I gave her to wear, even when the blouse kept slipping and revealing her nipple to the public. A week of watching other men stare at her and envy me was pretty great too. (At the beach one day I watched a guy track her with his still camera as she emerged from the ocean in a yellow bikini that put Halle Berry to shame. He kept taking pictures of her even after his girlfriend returned.) And she didn't take offense when I said I wanted to check out a strip club/brothel. In fact she had such a good time the other guys were watching her more than the strippers. And she picked out a really cute girl for us to take back to the hotel for a midnight skinny dip and all night threesome. To say I'm extremely happy with the service "Girlfriend 4 a Week" provided is an incredible understatement. I'm going to Santa Marta, another Caribbean coastal Colombian tourist destination, but not with out "Girlfriend 4 a Week. "[/QUOTE]Sounds like you had a great time and that's what it's all about.

There will be a few here that will probably flame you for over paying for your companionship but it's your money and if you can afford to do what you do then more power to you.

[QUOTE=Manizales911]Sounds like you had a great time and that's what it's all about.

There will be a few here that will probably flame you for over paying for your companionship but it's your money and if you can afford to do what you do then more power to you.[/QUOTE]That´s the truth baby!

If you can afford it and you had fun, good for you.

A more experienced Colombia traveler and Spanish speaker could find the same fun for much less, however, seems that you totally enjoyed your time, so for you it was money well spent for great memories.

[QUOTE=Viajero]Ricker,

... My problem in Colombia was the hardest part is to make up my mind which one I was going to screw that night because they all looked model types.[/QUOTE]That´s the truth amigo!

Most of the time the hardest part is which chica to call and the scheduling around all the chicas, but what a great problem to have!

I'm in Brazil now facing the same problems. Hahaha.

Taker easy

[QUOTE=John Scott]I just got back from a week and a half in Cartagena, Colombia. I used "Girlfriend 4 a Week" to supply my sex/travel partner. I know most of the action on this board is for Mongerers who like to find the best girls for the best deals and [QUOTE]Very good first report. Can't wait to hear about your St Marta report. I remember answering a question from you about phones. How did that work out?

Geez, lighten up. Except for a few cool guys who understand the basic charm of debate (agreeing/disagreeing) like Ricker, most of you guys act like I am saying your mothers are fat and ugly. It's a country for crying out loud. I find it interesting culturally, but the least interesting place I have been in Latin America sex-wise. You guys love it. Fine. Thats cool. Why that means I am 'full of shit' is beyond me, and what an infantile way or debating.

Lucky for me I have but a few days left here. Gave up a long time ago so have relaxed on the beaches on the coast without looking for anything. Now in Bogota waiting to leave. Sure, I may be the unluckiest guy on earth, but I find that in Colombia if you want to do a regular young girl it takes time, and I don't have that if I am in each city 4-5 days. Sure, there are 5 million hookers here, so for those that are satisfied with doing prepagos Colombia is probably a nice place.

Now take it easy. You should be happy Colombia is not for everyone, so that it doesn't turn into Pattaya. Me, I think Colombia is the dullest place south of Mexico to look for sex.

Thanks for the feedback to those who understand the concept of debate. It's been a pleasure.

[QUOTE=Mesocorny]Geez, lighten up. Except for a few cool guys who understand the basic charm of debate (agreeing/disagreeing) like Ricker, most of you guys act like I am saying your mothers are fat and ugly. It's a country for crying out loud. I find it interesting culturally, but the least interesting place I have been in Latin America sex-wise. You guys love it. Fine. Thats cool. Why that means I am 'full of shit' is beyond me, and what an infantile way or debating.

Lucky for me I have but a few days left here. Gave up a long time ago so have relaxed on the beaches on the coast without looking for anything. Now in Bogota waiting to leave. Sure, I may be the unluckiest guy on earth, but I find that in Colombia if you want to do a regular young girl it takes time, and I don't have that if I am in each city 4-5 days. Sure, there are 5 million hookers here, so for those that are satisfied with doing prepagos Colombia is probably a nice place.[/QUOTE]You're right amigo, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Of course.

I think it just baffled guys, including me, when you post that all you see is fat, ugly, tijuana tubbies in Colombia.

At first you posted of your experience with the pros, and that you couldn't find any to your liking.

Then you posted that you were really interested in the non-pros only and that anybody could get a pro, but you wanted the beautiful, young non pros.

OK great, and I agree that if it's the beautiful non pro you're looking for, it may just take more than 4-5 days to get them to dig ya and sleep with ya.

Obviously you have to treat the non-pros differently than the pros.

I personally take it very slow with the non-pros. I know some guys like the quick kill, but I don't.

I love to have fun with 'them, charm them, be romantic and cool, take my time, no rush.

I love the build up.

I don't need to jump 'them like a horny teenager, that's what the pros are for ehh.

Now we each have our own idea of fun, but maybe if you relaxed your tolerance a bit and understand that not all the pros are going to be your dream girl, and that they come in all shapes and sizes, and that YES, believe it or not, there are some beauties out there, just maybe you may not have to be alone and bored in Colombia.

I think mixing it up a bit between meeting non-pros and having fun with some pros is perfect.

Maybe you could just meet some non-pros and keep in contact for when you return one day.

I know you're a young dude, but I think if you relaxed your thinking just a bit you might not waste such great opportunites, such as being in Colombia.

Good luck amigo, I'm guessing that one day you may just appreciate what Colombia has to offer.

[QUOTE=Mesocorny]Geez, lighten up. Except for a few cool guys who understand the basic charm of debate (agreeing/disagreeing) like Ricker, most of you guys act like I am saying your mothers are fat and ugly. It's a country for crying out loud. I find it interesting culturally, but the least interesting place I have been in Latin America sex-wise. You guys love it. Fine. Thats cool. Why that means I am 'full of shit' is beyond me.[/QUOTE]No only that but inept too.

Adiós & all the best,

Schwmm

I noticed prepago girls get gealous, and I felt very bad for that particular one that I had romanced in Medellin, and told her how pretty she was and that I was in love with her, just to see me the very next day with someone else. I couldn't describe the look in her face when I looked at her to say hello. I felt bad really bad.

Has anyone experienced similar experience? Are all Pisa girls like that, I mean if she gets paid to be with me, why the jealousy. Isn't all about business?

[QUOTE=Viajero]I noticed prepago girls get gealous, and I felt very bad for that particular one that I had romanced in Medellin, and told her how pretty she was and that I was in love with her, just to see me the very next day with someone else. I couldn't describe the look in her face when I looked at her to say hello. I felt bad really bad.

Has anyone experienced similar experience? Are all Pisa girls like that, I mean if she gets paid to be with me, why the jealousy. Isn't all about business?[/QUOTE]LOL it happeans all the time with me, but do not let it get to you, She may really like you, but it is also a game these girls play, she only wants you to sleep with her and no body else so that you spend more time and give her more money.

The way i see it, as look as you are paying for it, you can go with any girl you want, she is only jealous becouse you are giving your money to someone else and not her, but when she refuses money from you, well that a different matter.

[QUOTE=Ricker]You're right amigo, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Of course.

I think it just baffled guys, including me, when you post that all you see is fat, ugly, tijuana tubbies in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Agree with you 100% Ricker.

Mesocorny, Your standards seem so high. Now I'm interested in some place that you consider is even better than than Medellin! How about some photos too of these smoking hot girls.

[QUOTE=Viajero]I noticed prepago girls get gealous, and I felt very bad for that particular one that I had romanced in Medellin, and told her how pretty she was and that I was in love with her, just to see me the very next day with someone else. I couldn't describe the look in her face when I looked at her to say hello. I felt bad really bad.

Has anyone experienced similar experience? Are all Pisa girls like that, I mean if she gets paid to be with me, why the jealousy. Isn't all about business?[/QUOTE]They are prepagos but they are still human and female! I find the best is to be serious and straight with them... meaning being up front that they are special but your are still going to be seeing other women.

[QUOTE=Viajero]I noticed prepago girls get gealous, and I felt very bad for that particular one that I had romanced in Medellin, and told her how pretty she was and that I was in love with her, just to see me the very next day with someone else. I couldn't describe the look in her face when I looked at her to say hello. I felt bad really bad.

Has anyone experienced similar experience? Are all Pisa girls like that, I mean if she gets paid to be with me, why the jealousy. Isn't all about business?[/QUOTE]It's all about the REPEAT business. Girls need repeat clients in order to get the volume they need to be successful.

PLUS some of them are looking at the marrano angle and maybe she was hoping to reel you in.

PLUS it could have been authentic. Prepagos are still women and are not made of wood especially if you are good in bed.

[QUOTE=Mesocorny]Geez, lighten up. Except for a few cool guys who understand the basic charm of debate (agreeing/disagreeing) like Ricker, most of you guys act like I am saying your mothers are fat and ugly. It's a country for crying out loud. I find it interesting culturally, but the least interesting place I have been in Latin America sex-wise. You guys love it. Fine. Thats cool. Why that means I am 'full of shit' is beyond me, and what an infantile way or debating.[/QUOTE]You can't be surprised you got some grief when with little history or reports to your record you made some very definitive statements denigrating one of the more popular P4P countries out there. You came of sounding like a troll.

As for your problems with the non-pros, I didn't realize until I reread your earlier posts one possible reason why you weren't too successful. You describe yourself as 24 and Swedish, with the blonde hair and blue eyes. That might work wonders for you in the states or in other countries like Brazil but the thing about Colombian women is they tend to prefer older men, even some of the really young ones.

So it may seem counter-intuitive but you might want to wait a few years and come back when you're 30; but if you're in CTG now, see if you can befriend some Israelis as the ones that come to party in Cartagena are very young and don't have much of a problem getting laid, maybe you'll get some more useful ideas from observing them.

Also, if you had been in CTG at the end of May when the college girls from the interior of the country are done with their semester and start going to the coast for fun and sun, you may have had better results. In that context, you have more working in your favor because you're meeting the girls in "vacation mode" hundreds of miles away from their homes and families. . .

I don't think you're "full of shit" but you did come off sounding callow and inexperienced despite the list of countries you boasted success in, of which I would point out the DR and Brazil certainly have MORE fatties than in Colombia. Only Cuba (which you also mentioned) has skinnier girls and that's because the socialist diet has those girls half-starved! :)

So when you write LDV was just "a bunch of fat, worn-out, tired-looking hookers" it's funny, I got a good laugh, and there's a grain of truth to that but I also know it's exaggeration because the last time I was there, I pulled a girl that's as skinny as they come, and she was pretty with a good attitude, good skills in bed, no bs or flakiness.

So I'd say don't give up on Colombia. Come back in a couple of years and spend at least two weeks in one place if you're serious about making it with the non-pros. Setting up some dates beforehand by chatting with some girls in the cupid web sites can help but you need to be chatting and calling these girls for at least several weeks before your visit so they'll take you seriously. The other way is as I mentioned in my last post: having a local friend to hang out with so you can meet and be introduced to dozens of girls.

No doubt the DR is an easier place to get laid than Colombia, but like you said, the quality IMHO is much higher in Colombia, not just in terms of looks but attitude, open mindedness etc.

[QUOTE=Phunluv]You can't be surprised you got some grief when with little history or reports to your record you made some very definitive statements denigrating one of the more popular P4P countries out there. You came of sounding like a troll.

As for your problems with the non-pros, I didn't realize until I reread your earlier posts one possible reason why you weren't too successful. You describe yourself as 24 and Swedish, with the blonde hair and blue eyes. That might work wonders for you in the states or in other countries like Brazil but the thing about Colombian women is they tend to prefer older men, even some of the really young ones.

So it may seem counter-intuitive but you might want to wait a few years and come back when you're 30; but if you're in CTG now, see if you can befriend some Israelis as the ones that come to party in Cartagena are very young and don't have much of a problem getting laid, maybe you'll get some more useful ideas from observing them.

Also, if you had been in CTG at the end of May when the college girls from the interior of the country are done with their semester and start going to the coast for fun and sun, you may have had better results. In that context, you have more working in your favor because you're meeting the girls in "vacation mode" hundreds of miles away from their homes and families. . .

I don't think you're "full of shit" but you did come off sounding callow and inexperienced despite the list of countries you boasted success in, of which I would point out the DR and Brazil certainly have MORE fatties than in Colombia. Only Cuba (which you also mentioned) has skinnier girls and that's because the socialist diet has those girls half-starved! :)

So when you write LDV was just "a bunch of fat, worn-out, tired-looking hookers" it's funny, I got a good laugh, and there's a grain of truth to that but I also know it's exaggeration because the last time I was there, I pulled a girl that's as skinny as they come, and she was pretty with a good attitude, good skills in bed, no bs or flakiness.

So I'd say don't give up on Colombia. Come back in a couple of years and spend at least two weeks in one place if you're serious about making it with the non-pros. Setting up some dates beforehand by chatting with some girls in the cupid web sites can help but you need to be chatting and calling these girls for at least several weeks before your visit so they'll take you seriously. The other way is as I mentioned in my last post: having a local friend to hang out with so you can meet and be introduced to dozens of girls.[/QUOTE]Phunluv,

I think you hit the problem on the head. I do think that Colombian girls are quite aware that they can be played by the young and attractive foreigners as oppose to being able to play the older ones. Or at least being more in control.

I agree that in places like Cuba, Brazil, DR etc. The girls do like the younger "cutie" types but there is something to be said about being more of a man's man in Colombia. Many older foreigners embody that attractive look.

In fact I had a travel buddy that is also young, tall and blue eyed and in Cuba and Brazil he constantly had girls flaunting over him. Many told him straight out they wanted to fuck him for free just so he would give them a blue-eyed baby. The SAME friend came to Medellin ONCE and has never returned because he just didn't get the same vibe or have the same appeal.

I AM SO GLAD that the young Colombianas DO prefer older men! Like I said they know they can be played by younger attractive men (like the girls always saytheir boyfriends play them). So why should they think a young and attractive foreigner would be any different.

As a side note: I wrote a while back about a young fella I only knew through emails that infiltrated the "In Crowd" of the young and beautiful Paisas only to fuck his friends "virgin" sister and then get his ass beat for doing it.

A 24 year old Swede with blonde hair and blue eyes that likes to fuck a different non-pro girl every 2nd day can have fun in Cuba, Brazil, DR etc. But in Colombia, that same fella may end up the same way my friend did (beaten to a pulp) because of just that.

Mesocorny,

You have years of good sex before you. Enjoy what life brings you and pursue that which it doesn't. But please be respectful and mindful that EVERYONE'S opinion in this world matters.

Oh BTW- Who the heck ever said going to LDV at 1-2 am was a good idea? (Mesocorny wrote that this is when he went) By that time all the hotties have been pulled for the night. I used go right before the doors opened for business and sit and wait for the pussy to show up (outside). Many times pulling a hottie before she even entered LDV. The fuck did I need to sit in a bar for when I had booze and a jacuzzi back at the apartment?

Cheers,

Cubanut

PS. You never mentioned anything about visiting Casa Blanca (previously La Mansion). Too bad because you could have easily hooked up with young model looking types. Like Angie.

Guys I just subscribed to colombiancupid.com I wanted to know how do you guys interact with girls? Do you buy a premium membership? Its just that when I try to send chix emails, it asks me to buy shit!

Thanks.

[quote=cubanut]phunluv,

i think you hit the problem on the head. i do think that colombian girls are quite aware that they can be played by the young and attractive foreigners as oppose to being able to play the older ones. or at least being more in control.

i agree that in places like cuba, brazil, dr etc. the girls do like the younger "cutie" types but there is something to be said about being more of a man's man in colombia. many older foreigners embody that attractive look.[/quote]thanks cn. that's a good point about the girls knowing you're just there to play them and "pump and dump." i was actually thinking more along cultural and economic lines but i don't want to get into a whole spiel on that, i'll just give an example:

you mentioned your young friend's problems in medellin; that reminds me when i was chatting last week with a 30 yr old bogotana i dated and bedded a couple of times (we still talk over the phone every once in a while) who laughingly told me about a "ken doll" who was trying to get with her. i found the "ken doll" reference interesting because she said it in a joking, even disparaging way which got me thinking about mesocorny's issues when he posted his followup.

don't get me wrong. they're attracted to the "ken doll" but that may not be enough to get her to fuck him much less consider him as serious bf material. plus, there's always the gossip circuit and peer pressure that young non-pros are particularly subjected to. that can be another barrier or factor working against meso (as well as with older mongers).

[QUOTE=Cubanut]... In fact I had a travel buddy that is also young, tall and blue eyed and in Cuba and Brazil he constantly had girls flaunting over him. Many told him straight out they wanted to fuck him for free just so he would give them a blue-eyed baby. The SAME friend came to Medellin ONCE and has never returned because he just didn't get the same vibe or have the same appeal.

I AM SO GLAD that the young Colombianas DO prefer older men! Like I said they know they can be played by younger attractive men (like the girls always saytheir boyfriends play them). So why should they think a young and attractive foreigner would be any different ...[/QUOTE]I have to say guys that I've been hanging out in Brazil quite a bit the past few years, mostly Sao Paulo, and I see the same exact deal there, the younger girls preferring to be with an older guy, especially if the guy has a young attitude about him.

I don't really notice a difference really between Colombia and Brazil in that respect.

Just like in Colombia, as you see in areas like Parque Lleras, where the more affluent hang out, the girls will generally be with guys their own age.

I've observed the same in Brazil.

At the social-economic levels where the younger native guys tend to be more jerk-offs, the girls tend to appreciate the older guy. In both Colombia and Brazil as well as countries in between.

I do have to add, though the beauty in the faces of some Paisas you'll see is hard to match, I would give a definite edge in general to the Brasileira in terms of overall sexyness and attitude.

Good luck amigos.

[QUOTE=Ricker]I have to say guys that I've been hanging out in Brazil quite a bit the past few years, mostly Sao Paulo, and I see the same exact deal there, the younger girls preferring to be with an older guy, especially if the guy has a young attitude about him.

I don't really notice a difference really between Colombia and Brazil in that respect.

Just like in Colombia, as you see in areas like Parque Lleras, where the more affluent hang out, the girls will generally be with guys their own age.

I've observed the same in Brazil.

At the social-economic levels where the younger native guys tend to be more jerk-offs, the girls tend to appreciate the older guy. In both Colombia and Brazil as well as countries in between.

I do have to add, though the beauty in the faces of some Paisas you'll see is hard to match, I would give a definite edge in general to the Brasileira in terms of overall sexyness and attitude.

Good luck amigos.[/QUOTE]Thats exactly what I have seen too, the colombianas really prefer older guys.

Mi novia down in Colombia says I am almost too young for her(she is 25 and I am 41)

Her 1st boyfriend was 45 when she was 15, and when she was 18 she had a kid with a dude in his forties.

Her cousin told me pretty much the same story, 1st boyfriend when she was 15 and guy was in forties.

Great news for all of us.

[QUOTE=Ricker]I have to say guys that I've been hanging out in Brazil quite a bit the past few years, mostly Sao Paulo, and I see the same exact deal there, the younger girls preferring to be with an older guy, especially if the guy has a young attitude about him.[/QUOTE]Ricker,

I know you've been praising Sao Paulo for awhile now and I was considering skipping Rio and checking out SP on my next trip to Brazil but SP is so enormous and I've read about the insane traffic problems there. I know this is way off-topic but was wondering how you deal with, or work around that. You can PM me or post something in the Brazil board so we can keep this page about Colombia. :)

[QUOTE=Sammytheman]Guys I just subscribed to colombiancupid.com I wanted to know how do you guys interact with girls? Do you buy a premium membership? Its just that when I try to send chix emails, it asks me to buy shit!

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I think you need to pay something($20-30) in order to contact girls. For multiple months they give discount. I subscribed to Colombiancupid a year ago, and actually met a couple of girls, one was my girlfriend for a while. So in my opinion it is not a bad deal. Also another site [url]http://www.romancelatina.com/[/url] gives at least one month free, and then some monthly fee $6 I believe.
I believe such websites is a good way to get girls info prior to your trip, and it actually saves you money and time, therefore I do not have any problem with the fact that their service is not free.

I do have to make a little contribution on this subject. It would seem that really Colombian girls don't give much of a flying fuck about the age of guys they love, to them love is love and they really don't care about things like that. The one I thought it made such a big difference to is just a fucking liar. It does seem to make a big difference not being fat though! The more weight I lose the better I do.

Hi to all,

Could somebody say to me how and where(city) is possible to obtain the LONG time in Colobia?

Is it possible to find girls in disco/street obtaining the long time for reasonable prices? (I'm saying if is possible to obtain the same result how in Pattaya, Angels city and so on where you pay the night with illimitated sessions to freelances.)

If it is possible do you know the range of prices(I know that could be difference among girls but one thing is 20-30 EUR and another thing is 100-150 EUR!)

Do you have experience about its?

Regards

[QUOTE=Phunluv]Ricker,

I know you've been praising Sao Paulo for awhile now and I was considering skipping Rio and checking out SP on my next trip to Brazil but SP is so enormous and I've read about the insane traffic problems there. I know this is way off-topic but was wondering how you deal with, or work around that. You can PM me or post something in the Brazil board so we can keep this page about Colombia. :)[/QUOTE]Hey, I'll get back to ya soon on that amigo.

I'm on the road traveling at the moment.

In a few days.

Taker easy!!

[QUOTE=Soldierb11]Thats exactly what I have seen too, the colombianas really prefer older guys.

Mi novia down in Colombia says I am almost too young for her(she is 25 and I am 41)

Her 1st boyfriend was 45 when she was 15, and when she was 18 she had a kid with a dude in his forties.

Her cousin told me pretty much the same story, 1st boyfriend when she was 15 and guy was in forties.

Great news for all of us.[/QUOTE]Not only Colombians. I think in poor countries women don't give a fook how old you are as long as you are rich or even better, from a rich 1st world country. When I was in Dominican Republic, my driver was in his early 40s, average looking, but he had money!!! This guys would flirt with bartenders / waitresses as young as 18 and they would flirt back.

[QUOTE=European Man]Hi to all,

Could somebody say to me how and where(city) is possible to obtain the LONG time in Colobia?

Is it possible to find girls in disco/street obtaining the long time for reasonable prices? (I'm saying if is possible to obtain the same result how in Pattaya, Angels city and so on where you pay the night with illimitated sessions to freelances.)

If it is possible do you know the range of prices(I know that could be difference among girls but one thing is 20-30 EUR and another thing is 100-150 EUR!)

Do you have experience about its?

Regards[/QUOTE]What is your definition of "long time"? A night? A day + night? A couple of days, weeks, months? Do you speak spanish? Obviously it helps more if you do. The range of prices vary so much depending on how you treat them.

What is the best approach you guys have for picking a Non-Pro. I have been mostly taking the easy path and paying for sex. I thought maybe someday I would like to try something different and more challenging, and also it might work little as an ego booster for a middle age guy to pick a Non-Pro and have her fall in love.

I tried it once in Bogota. I went out on a date with this knock out gorgeous lady must been about 30 years old who was a Medical Doctor. All went well, I managed to have her laugh and she took a liking of me at least from my perspective, but when things get serious and asked her if she can be my girlfriend, she started to argue that my Spanish were not up to par with her's, and that I don't know how to dance, and what do I have that her colombian guy lacks! You get my drift. So since then, I just gave up and took the easy way out by paying for my catch.

Welcome to Colombia bro. I've been saying this all along. Colombian women are awesome but they are NOT easy catches. Not the ones that are worth it anyways.

I don't know why you are asking for advice on here when she gave you the perfect advice already (although if you scroll down a page or so you will find I already said the exact same thing). Make sure your Spanish is excellent, learn to dance, learn the local culture. Colombian women are very much into the idea of falling in love with you IF you bring shit to the table, and that means shit over and above what you have in your wallet. Good luck!

[QUOTE=Viajero]What is the best approach you guys have for picking a Non-Pro. I have been mostly taking the easy path and paying for sex. I thought maybe someday I would like to try something different and more challenging, and also it might work little as an ego booster for a middle age guy to pick a Non-Pro and have her fall in love.

I tried it once in Bogota. I went out on a date with this knock out gorgeous lady must been about 30 years old who was a Medical Doctor. All went well, I managed to have her laugh and she took a liking of me at least from my perspective, but when things get serious and asked her if she can be my girlfriend, she started to argue that my Spanish were not up to par with her's, and that I don't know how to dance, and what do I have that her colombian guy lacks! You get my drift. So since then, I just gave up and took the easy way out by paying for my catch.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Viajero]What is the best approach you guys have for picking a Non-Pro. I have been mostly taking the easy path and paying for sex. I thought maybe someday I would like to try something different and more challenging, and also it might work little as an ego booster for a middle age guy to pick a Non-Pro and have her fall in love.

I tried it once in Bogota. I went out on a date with this knock out gorgeous lady must been about 30 years old who was a Medical Doctor. All went well, I managed to have her laugh and she took a liking of me at least from my perspective, but when things get serious and asked her if she can be my girlfriend, she started to argue that my Spanish were not up to par with her's, and that I don't know how to dance, and what do I have that her colombian guy lacks! You get my drift. So since then, I just gave up and took the easy way out by paying for my catch.[/QUOTE]She was probably testing you. Or she just did not wanna be your GF anyways, not because of Spanish or dancing. If you were there only for a week, then it would explain a lot. It is better to tell her you were gonna move to Colombia.

What she said was complete BS. I do not think they care too much about dancing, but they probably more care about your Spanish. You could have told her that she was gonna teach you Spanish and dancing.

One year ago I had a GF(a professional girl) in Colombia for a while, went to probably 5-6 dates dates first before any sex, had good time going to restaurants and places, while she was on her period gave real great BJ, she did not give crap about my dancing, never danced with her. Also she was helping with Spanish, explaining different shit.

But then got tired of thinking of her, spending too much time, etc.. I had to sneak out to go to casas, then lying to her that I was doing some repairs in my apartment. So I chose not to have any girlfriends there anymore, too much BS, their jelausy, etc.. although it's good way to learn Spanish and some romantic words which you can later use with other girls.

Also before her I dumped another girl(had only 2 dates with her), she got very upset and asked a thousand questions in emails why I did it. I do not like to do this kinda stuff.

So eventually I switched back to "easy" girls. For me its much more fun than "non-pros". I can tell them anything I want, I can ask anything, I can change them anytime. They do not get offended. Still the amount of money spend is pretty much comparable. Instead of going to dinners, events, travel, gifts, the money goes directly to the "pros". So I guess it depends on what you like. You can chose what you want to do. For non-pros you definitely need much more time and nerves.

[QUOTE=Viajero]What is the best approach you guys have for picking a Non-Pro. I have been mostly taking the easy path and paying for sex. I thought maybe someday I would like to try something different and more challenging, and also it might work little as an ego booster for a middle age guy to pick a Non-Pro and have her fall in love.

I tried it once in Bogota. I went out on a date with this knock out gorgeous lady must been about 30 years old who was a Medical Doctor. All went well, I managed to have her laugh and she took a liking of me at least from my perspective, but when things get serious and asked her if she can be my girlfriend, she started to argue that my Spanish were not up to par with her's, and that I don't know how to dance, and what do I have that her colombian guy lacks! You get my drift. So since then, I just gave up and took the easy way out by paying for my catch.[/QUOTE]The on line dating sites are your best bet. Also you must learn how to dance. Not only very important to the Chicas but would be fun for you also.

On second thought just do like me and stick with the Pro's. If your ego needs boosting then pretend that they really like you.

All women want something from you as you want something from them. It is just way more honest to deal with a good Pro. In Colombia there are plenty of good honest pro's. You just have to hunt for them.

Good luck.

I have an apartment in Bogota, I get girlfriends and GFE pro's all the time. I have not been to medallin yet.

I speak spanish and travel live in Bogota 2 weeks out of the month. (god bless stock options)

Question: Is it really worth my time going to Medallin for non-pro's...? If I strike out one night, are there (pre-pago's) or non mechanical woman that work for school money etc?

I am good looking, bodybuilder physic...and have money to spend so I am not cheap.

Bogota is my backyard, so just curious if I would have as much fun in Medallin knowing I dont like to pay, rather find local first then pay if I strike out.

Thanks guys!

[QUOTE=Hioctane]What is your definition of "long time"? A night? A day + night? A couple of days, weeks, months? Do you speak spanish? Obviously it helps more if you do. The range of prices vary so much depending on how you treat them.[/QUOTE]Hi,

I intend the night and yes I understand spanish.

[QUOTE=Cubanut]PS. You never mentioned anything about visiting Casa Blanca (previously La Mansion). Too bad because you could have easily hooked up with young model looking types. Like Angie.[/QUOTE]What's she a model for Marlboro?

Sorry, dude, couldn't help it. I take it from your name we share interest in the same country. I have been around in Colombia, and although honestly not impressed with the girls there, this one looks like she needs a good 20 hour nap.

OK, I'll take her.

So many guys lately posting how they are not that impressed with the girls in Colombia. Just yesterday I took a rare stroll in Pobaldo (I am mostly a Centro or Mayorista hunter). Anyway while walking from the Parke to the Metro I saw two Stunners and at least 5 or 6 others who were very pretty.

In the 11 days I have been here I have been drooling over all the women here who I need to have. You guys need to tell me where you see girls better than the ones I am looking at right now. If you will do that for me then my next trip will be at that location.

In attempt to contribute to this, and somewhat following up on the mesocorny guys attack on Colombia, here are my two centavos.

Well, background, first, since first post in Colombia forum: Cuba regular. Not because it's best for mongering, but because it's like my second home. Been to Colombia twice, both times for 1½ month. Been in all parts of Colombia, so know the country well, but would not call myself near the expert on Colombia as I probably am on Cuba. 35 but all the girls over there think I am 25-28. Nice looking, no bodybuilder, just a straight up decent looking guy with semi-blond hair and nice blue eyes (I am not that nice, luckily my eyes say so :-)

Anyway,

Taking a stroll in Poblado, especially a stroll around Lleras on a Friday or Saturday night, there is no place on earth where one will see more good looking girls.

Like the corny guy, my taste is the young, slim, beauties. Plenty of those. Hundreds. And even for a guy like myself into 18-19 year olds, the quality there is so massive, that I even see plenty of 25 and 30 year olds, even some 40-50 year old MILF's, I'd do anytime.

But are they (generally speaking) doable? No.

Colombian woman er not desperate for 'white' men as they are in many other countries in that hemisphere. Or at least, it's not in their culture to act so. Sure, they're doable if you live in Medellin and you're willing to take them out, get to know them, charm them, use money on them. But are any of these girls going to go home with you on that first night even if you're young, speak spanish and can do some charming? No way. They're approachable, yes. Colombianas are not arrogant. But it's not going any further than that. Talk is fine, fuck is bad.

So then there are strip joints and casas, and I must agree that for a guy who likes slim women, Colombia is not the place. Again, unless you live there, and have all the time (and money) in the world to date, date and date. Because the far part of Colombian prepagos, I agree, are, how shall we put it, 'con carne'. Not only with the tits but also with the ass. I can't believe when I meet a girl there with a nice, small, round ass, and she seriously plans to get implants. In the god damn ass! I hate the plastic-work going on in Colombia. It's gone waaay overboard. It's like every girl, when she turns 18 and sets goals for her life, says to herself: I want a boyfriend, a nice house, a car, new tits and ass.

Where in Centro do you hunt? When I go in there, I hit 3-4 stripjoints and never saw anyone hot. And from the cab I see the streetwalkers. Talking about ugly hookers. Mayrista, I must admit, no expert there. Been there, but not looked for girls. But when you mention it in the same sentence as Centro I take it it's similar. If that is your type of girls, and the types of girls that makes you guys love Colombia, then count me out.

I love Colombia. But it's far from my favourite place to go for women. To me it's like this: The hot ones are only available to date and for steady relationships and the pros are 95% fat-assed or just not attractive. I admit there are gems, but jesus christ does someone with my taste have to spend many nights and go through many clubs and casas to find a gem.

So for straight up mongering, i would take Brazil any day of the week. Argentina as well. Costa Rica. I could go on. Cuba is a different subject. I can score there as I can't believe myself, and get a new hot 18 year old flaquita every day. But that's from being there about 3 years in total, speaking spanish and knowing how things work there. I see thousands of lost gringos there wandering around with no luck. The other thing is that I like myself a colored girl, and to be honest there are few hot white girls available in Cuba. Then there's the hassle in Cuba and the people that hang around you like flies 24/7 hoping you'll drop a dollar. None of that in Colombia (Exceptfor on the coast). I love that about Colombia: That a foreigner is just another person walking and that they have self-respect enough to leave people the fuck alone.

So in conclusion. If the Colombian-style voloptuos latina with tits and big round ass is your thing, I wouldn't know where to advice you to go. And if P4P is your only interest on top, then I can imagine that Colombia is paradise for you. Because god damned there are lots of hookers en Colombia! Have any of you ever known a normal colombiana who did not have at least 2-3 friends who were prepagos? I have not.

Me, I like myself a young flaquita who is promiscuous enough to fuck the first day she meets a guy (because I'm an asshole that just wants pussy and new girls all the time). And so Colombia is not for me in that aspect.

My dos centavos.

[QUOTE=Vics Picks]So many guys lately posting how they are not inpressed with the girls in Colombia. Just yesterday I took a rare stroll in Pobaldo (I am mostly a Centro or Mayorista hunter). Anyway while walking from the Parke to the Metro I saw two Stunners and at least 5 or 6 others who were very pretty.

In the 11 days I have been here I have been drooling over all the women here who I need to have. You guys need to tell me where you see girls better than the ones I am looking at right now. If you will do that for me than my next trip will be at that location.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=El Rey De Pollo]In attempt to contribute to this, and somewhat following up on the mesocorny guys attack on Colombia, here are my two centavos.[/QUOTE]El Rey De Pollo,

You could at least have the decency to advise the readers that up to a few days ago your handle on this board was Mesocorny. So your follow up on the "Mesocorny guys attack on Colombia" is actually your "continuing attack" but just under a different name.

Please be respectful that not everyone can agree on all things especially when it comes to Mongering. Example is you and I love Cuba yet there are a ton of guys that will say Cuba is shit and the girls are fat and ugly. You and I know different.

So while so many guys (myself included) write about how much they enjoy Colombia, why do you think you were attacked out here for saying that all the girls you see in Colombia are fat and ugly?

Everyone has a different taste in women. You have made it clear (over & over again) you like them thin and gorgeous (and free). Yet you won't take (or don't have) the time to get with the ones you want. This is a fact yourself have admitted has been your biggest problem. Thankfully I like them all. All I ask is that they have all their teeth.

You have written how you love Colombia in a few posts but you have made it clear (several times) that you don't like Colombia for Mongering. So "Happy Mongering" elsewhere.

I am wondering how many more times will you post and tell us how much you are disappointed with mongering in Colombia (and under what name)?

Cheers,

Cubanut

I agree in many ways, I date NPs all the time here. And sometimes you don't even kiss on the first date. It's just the way things are here.

I have even had girls on many many occasions tell me that they want the first date to be simple, grab a cup of coffee and talk, nothing more. They don't want any expensive dates until they get to know me better.

1) nobody no matter how promiscuous, wants to be fucked once and then ignored. it just feels like shit. colombian girls are generally smart enough not to fall for this.

2) the girls are very rightly concerned about somebody slipping something in their drink and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] them. that's why they want to get to know you before they trust you. scopolamine is the ultimate date [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] drug.

[QUOTE=El Rey De Pollo]In attempt to contribute to this, and somewhat following up on the mesocorny guys attack on Colombia, here are my two centavos.

Well, background, first, since first post in Colombia forum: Cuba regular. Not because it's best for mongering, but because it's like my second home. Been to Colombia twice, both times for 1½ month. Been in all parts of Colombia, so know the country well, but would not call myself near the expert on Colombia as I probably am on Cuba. 35 but all the girls over there think I am 25-28. Nice looking, no bodybuilder, just a straight up decent looking guy with semi-blond hair and nice blue eyes (I am not that nice, luckily my eyes say so :-)

Anyway,

Taking a stroll in Poblado, especially a stroll around Lleras on a Friday or Saturday night, there is no place on earth where one will see more good looking girls.

Like the corny guy, my taste is the young, slim, beauties. Plenty of those. Hundreds. And even for a guy like myself into 18-19 year olds, the quality there is so massive, that I even see plenty of 25 and 30 year olds, even some 40-50 year old MILF's, I'd do anytime.

But are they (generally speaking) doable? No.

Colombian woman er not desperate for 'white' men as they are in many other countries in that hemisphere. Or at least, it's not in their culture to act so. Sure, they're doable if you live in Medellin and you're willing to take them out, get to know them, charm them, use money on them. But are any of these girls going to go home with you on that first night even if you're young, speak spanish and can do some charming? No way. They're approachable, yes. Colombianas are not arrogant. But it's not going any further than that. Talk is fine, fuck is bad.

So then there are strip joints and casas, and I must agree that for a guy who likes slim women, Colombia is not the place. Again, unless you live there, and have all the time (and money) in the world to date, date and date. Because the far part of Colombian prepagos, I agree, are, how shall we put it, 'con carne'. Not only with the tits but also with the ass. I can't believe when I meet a girl there with a nice, small, round ass, and she seriously plans to get implants. In the god damn ass! I hate the plastic-work going on in Colombia. It's gone waaay overboard. It's like every girl, when she turns 18 and sets goals for her life, says to herself: I want a boyfriend, a nice house, a car, new tits and ass.

Where in Centro do you hunt? When I go in there, I hit 3-4 stripjoints and never saw anyone hot. And from the cab I see the streetwalkers. Talking about ugly hookers. Mayrista, I must admit, no expert there. Been there, but not looked for girls. But when you mention it in the same sentence as Centro I take it it's similar. If that is your type of girls, and the types of girls that makes you guys love Colombia, then count me out.

I love Colombia. But it's far from my favourite place to go for women. To me it's like this: The hot ones are only available to date and for steady relationships and the pros are 95% fat-assed or just not attractive. I admit there are gems, but jesus christ does someone with my taste have to spend many nights and go through many clubs and casas to find a gem.

So for straight up mongering, i would take Brazil any day of the week. Argentina as well. Costa Rica. I could go on. Cuba is a different subject. I can score there as I can't believe myself, and get a new hot 18 year old flaquita every day. But that's from being there about 3 years in total, speaking spanish and knowing how things work there. I see thousands of lost gringos there wandering around with no luck. The other thing is that I like myself a colored girl, and to be honest there are few hot white girls available in Cuba. Then there's the hassle in Cuba and the people that hang around you like flies 24/7 hoping you'll drop a dollar. None of that in Colombia (Exceptfor on the coast). I love that about Colombia: That a foreigner is just another person walking and that they have self-respect enough to leave people the fuck alone.

So in conclusion. If the Colombian-style voloptuos latina with tits and big round ass is your thing, I wouldn't know where to advice you to go. And if P4P is your only interest on top, then I can imagine that Colombia is paradise for you. Because god damned there are lots of hookers en Colombia! Have any of you ever known a normal colombiana who did not have at least 2-3 friends who were prepagos? I have not.

Me, I like myself a young flaquita who is promiscuous enough to fuck the first day she meets a guy (because I'm an asshole that just wants pussy and new girls all the time). And so Colombia is not for me in that aspect.

My dos centavos.[/QUOTE]Hl Rey,

Thanks for your dos centavos! Your preferences give a clearly picture of why Colombia is not the best place for you. Like I've said many times. Everyone has their own tastes. I would agree. If you like slim and natural, Colombia might not be for you. I (and many others) like to call it the "boob capital" of the world. Colombianas are into plastic surgery. Boobs and ass. Again, if natural is your thing. Might want to look elsewhere. As for light and dark. If you like light, go to MDE. If you like dark, go to the coast. As for Mayorista and El Centro. They are no where close. In El Centro, I'm talking about the casas. It's where the new young, up and comers start out. You're likely find more naturals there (before they can afford their implants). As for girls that will sleep with you on the first date. Doesn't that make them a pro in a non-pro disguise? It's like saying you picked up a non-pro and fucked her on the first date in Sosua DR. Hello. There are no non-pros in Sosua DR (generalizing here). LOL

Different strokes for different folks!

no actually mr. pollo's report is very well done. but as for me i don't get the guys who can't find what they want in medellin. when i go back, i could, and may very well, arrange to be with v the first night, see the 2nd, w the 3rd, then l, m and a, and then start with new girls. or i could start with new girls. but in any event, i agree with what a number of guys have whispered lately, your experience is yours, only, that is, mine is my own world. anyway, i'm working on my salsa, which most of my friends think is kind of strange, but i will surprise them! also, on my next trip i'm going to try out as many love motels as i can manage, and report back to you. i like the idea of a lazy jacuzzi with the beautiful girls i know, before consummating our friendship (again). but again, it is what it is, for you, and for no one else.

chesrep001

Does anybody have the contact info of a recommended lawyer in Medellin?

Preferably one that speaks English. I'm looking for someone that has a business law background.

If you're looking to get laid with a non-pro on the first date, then Cuba is probably your best bet. Yet Cuba is an exception in so many ways, what else could you expect from a communist basket case country where 99% of the women under 30 would leave it if given the chance? Plus it's the Caribbean which is more sensual, laid back about sex, etc. So boasting about one's "success" in Cuba with the non-pros is like boasting about the fish you shot in the barrel! :)

If you can't stand the sight or touch of silicone, then Colombia may not be for you. I will also concede that Colombia has its share of fatties, especially as you go down into the lower-end venues. But in sum, I've seen and sessioned more flacas than gordas. Unless you absolutely insist in model-thin girls 100% of the time, it shouldn't be much of a problem. Just take a look at Cubanut's latest batch of pics from Casa Blanca, he doesn't seem to have any problem finding flacas, LOL! But if model-thin top-shelf is your thing, you'll have to do some more research and legwork and networking than just reading the ISG reports.

Finally, I've become skeptical over this monger "hat trick" of bedding a "non-pro" on the first date. I actually think that's more likely to happen in the states than in a Latin country, with the notable exceptions of Cuba (and Brazil in 2nd place); so there's no need to travel far if that's you're thing, there are better options or ways to achieve that.

And in any case, I suspect most of the colombianas your average gringo can close the deal with on the first date are either crazy sluts or part-time pros. In other words, you weren't the first guy they screwed on a first date and you most certainly won't be the last! LMAO! Maybe I'm getting too old and cynical, but what's the big deal here? I don't see much of a difference anymore between that and sessioning with a pro. And often enough, I prefer the straightforward dealing with the pro, than putting up with all the bs of the dating process with the "non-pro" not to mention her flakiness.

[QUOTE=Goga Fung]So eventually I switched back to "easy" girls. For me its much more fun than "non-pros". I can tell them anything I want, I can ask anything, I can change them anytime. They do not get offended. Still the amount of money spend is pretty much comparable. Instead of going to dinners, events, travel, gifts, the money goes directly to the "pros". So I guess it depends on what you like. You can chose what you want to do. For non-pros you definitely need much more time and nerves.[/QUOTE]This is why I prefer to pay for pussy! I like strange. I just want to fuck lots of different beautiful women. I dislike playing games and having to dance around the fact that I just want to fuck as soon as possible. If some guys like the chase and feeling of conquest of bedding a non pro then more power to them. If you've got a steady girl that's not a gold digger it may indeed be a little cheaper than paying for it all the time but like I said. I like strange. I like sticking my pecker in hot young girls that I just met not more than a few minutes ago.

I think if I ever did have the urge to chase after some non pro tail I would probably do it after I had already hit a casa or whatever. Bust my daily nut and then when I was dealing with the non pro I wouldn't be so horny and just thinking about trying to bone.

As a side note I think all my years of mongering have finally caught up to me. Now when I'm stateside and boning a "normal" girl I always feel like getting up and leaving as soon as I bust a nut. Even when she's at my place! It's like torture laying there with her afterward and wondering how I can get her to leave as soon as possible and still be able to get some at a later date.

Actually ime. The regular colombian girls and boys do not like surgery. It's kind of a subculture here. It's really not the social norm either. But once again the girls that are likely not to be operated are also the ones who want to hang out with you a month or two before they give up the poon.

[QUOTE=Hioctane]Hl Rey,

Thanks for your dos centavos! Your preferences give a clearly picture of why Colombia is not the best place for you. Like I've said many times. Everyone has their own tastes. I would agree. If you like slim and natural, Colombia might not be for you. I (and many others) like to call it the "boob capital" of the world. Colombianas are into plastic surgery. Boobs and ass. Again, if natural is your thing. Might want to look elsewhere. As for light and dark. If you like light, go to MDE. If you like dark, go to the coast. As for Mayorista and El Centro. They are no where close. In El Centro, I'm talking about the casas. It's where the new young, up and comers start out. You're likely find more naturals there (before they can afford their implants). As for girls that will sleep with you on the first date. Doesn't that make them a pro in a non-pro disguise? It's like saying you picked up a non-pro and fucked her on the first date in Sosua DR. Hello. There are no non-pros in Sosua DR (generalizing here). LOL

Different strokes for different folks![/QUOTE]

not sure i said cuba was easy for doing non-pros the first night. i think i said i have seen a shitload of disappointed mongers scraping themselves around the streets finding nothing. the good girls there are generally speaking scared to shit to just talk to a foreigner because that can get them in a world of shit with the authorities, their neighbors. or both.

in fact, i find cuba more and more uncharmiong and uninteresting in that aspect. 15 years ago it was amazing. not you have a a population thats frightened to talk with foreigners. and the putas, people say havana is full of hookers, but if you spend months there and hit the 5-7 big clubs on a regular basis, you will soon realize it's the same 100 hookers touring the clubs.

i don't mind silicone above so much. below i find it stupid. but that's because i never got into that fat-latin-booty thing. but i see there are loads of websites only with big-ass latinas, so it must be popular.

actually, my personal opinion is that south america as a whole has just about been ruined. i first started traveling there 15 years ago and it was great. too many of us gringos have been around and fucked too many girls. that is what has created this obsession down there of being/not being a hooker. which makes many girls stay away from a foreigner. this is just how i am seeing it. i could be wrong and just have lost my overview. and memories from back then may have been painted.

cubanut? what the heck are you talking about? i know you from before. i changed my name from traveling gring to this name a few days ago. because the first was always a typo. i think we've talked on the cuba forum in the past?

in any case, don't know the guy. and sure ain't the guy. ask jackson to check my ip. whatever.

[QUOTE=El Rey De Pollo]Actually, my personal opinion is that South America as a whole has just about been ruined. I first started traveling there 15 years ago and it was great. Too many of us gringos have been around and fucked too many girls. That is what has created this obsession down there of being/not being a hooker. Which makes many girls stay away from a foreigner. This is just how I am seeing it. I could be wrong and just have lost my overview. And memories from back then may have been painted.[/QUOTE]I agree with you, but not completely.

There are still areas in SA where not many gringos travel or have traveled, and lots of good fun is still about.

I know where you´re coming from though and I feel the same way about the more traveled and popular destinations of SA.

Imo all pussy is P4P in one way or the other. There are 3 different, basic approaches and all acceptable and just a matter of personal preference.

#1- go to a casa like Atenea in MDE and pay about 30kCOP for an half hour. Or have Tony hook you up on the beach in CTG for a short time girl

#2- go to a place like LDV in CTG, find a pro there and pay about 200COP for TLN and then if you have a good connection extend it into a GFE and spend a few more days with her

#3- pickup some non-pro in a club, shopping mall, beach, etc.

Date 1- maybe just a coffee somewhere (25k)

Date 2-Take her to a nice dinner in Plaza San Pedro (100k or more depending on drink choices) then maybe dancing(another 50k for entrance and drinks)

Date 3- another dinner perhaps in Argentinean steak house(at least 100k) then more dancing and hopefully then she will go home with you and give up the pussy.

Hopefully she gives it up and you don't have to go on dates 4-5 to get what you want

Doesn't matter which strategy we use, we still always P4P(even back home) Each of us prefers different approaches and to each their own.

Right now I usually prefer #2, that doesn't make it the best way, its just the way I prefer at this time

Since there has been a lot of talk recently about #3, how to get that non-pro. I have just a few suggestions

1. LEARN SOME SPANISH, to score with a non-pro it is essential. Now you do not have to be fluent just a good background and then work on your spanish down in Colombia with a lovely "long haired dictionary"

2. Clothes- Colombia is NOT Pattaya. Do not go out at night in cargo shorts, a Singha beer tank top and sandals. Try long pants, button up shirt and nice shoes and your odds will go up significantly compared to the guy next to you in his "Thailand mongering uniform"

3. Dancing- the better dancer you are the easier it will be to pickup a non-pro. But do not be discouraged if you can't dance just try try try. Latinas love to dance(obviously) and enjoy teaching you how.

4. Age differences- it is very common for colombianas to date men 15 years or more older than they are. A good percentage of them actually prefer an older man. Age does not matter to them very much its your attitude. So if you are 55 and act young and energetic you will have much better luck than a 45 year old thats acts old and worn out. If you are 25, do not act like a frat boy on spring break in Cancun. Latinas prefer a little maturity in their men, in fact if I was 25 years old and in Colombia I would lie and say I was 32 years or something.

Anyways that my 2 pesos, doesn't matter what you do as long as you are enjoying yourself.

[quote=el rey de pollo]not sure i said cuba was easy for doing non-pros the first night. i think i said i have seen a shitload of disappointed mongers scraping themselves around the streets finding nothing. the good girls there are generally speaking scared to shit to just talk to a foreigner because that can get them in a world of shit with the authorities, their neighbors. or both.

in fact, i find cuba more and more uncharmiong and uninteresting in that aspect. 15 years ago it was amazing. not you have a a population thats frightened to talk with foreigners. and the putas, people say havana is full of hookers, but if you spend months there and hit the 5-7 big clubs on a regular basis, you will soon realize it's the same 100 hookers touring the clubs.

i don't mind silicone above so much. below i find it stupid. but that's because i never got into that fat-latin-booty thing. but i see there are loads of websites only with big-ass latinas, so it must be popular.

actually, my personal opinion is that south america as a whole has just about been ruined. i first started traveling there 15 years ago and it was great. too many of us gringos have been around and fucked too many girls. that is what has created this obsession down there of being/not being a hooker. which makes many girls stay away from a foreigner. this is just how i am seeing it. i could be wrong and just have lost my overview. and memories from back then may have been painted.

cubanut? what the heck are you talking about? i know you from before. i changed my name from traveling gring to this name a few days ago. because the first was always a typo. i think we've talked on the cuba forum in the past?

in any case, don't know the guy. and sure ain't the guy. ask jackson to check my ip. whatever.[/quote]i'm sure it must be a software glitch that has caused the poster mesco's posts to be combined with your travelling gring posts and now el rey de pollo posts. i'm convinced it has to be a glitch because after reading back through the history of your trip reports it's obvious to see that there are many inconsistancies in factual information reported by the 3 different (yet combined) poster names on various forums here, i.e., your age, expierences, etc. the only common traits the three posters appear to have is that they are antagonistic toward other posters, and as an astute poster so eloquently opined below---full of shit.

has to be a software glitch....right?

I will be coming up to Bogota this weekend for a few days. Is there a Bogota 101 FAQ anywhere? I'm used to places like Bangkok where newbs can get around the scene very easily. I don't speak any Spanish. What's my play? Searched the net. Found lots of minute details. But little general info on how newbs should proceed.

I must lack something in the brain-department, but don't understand nada of what you're saying. Please hook up with Jackson for an IP check or explain to me in simple words what combination you are talking about. Going through your own posting history you seem to have severe problems expressing yourself, even though I take it English is your primary language. So I take you calling me antagonistic and full of shit with a grain of salt. Allow me to call you a sorry sucker trying to suck up to veteran posters at every chance presented. I can't really call you full of shit, as you seem to have no opinions of your own, but your tongue must have a constant taste of shit from all the asslicking you're doing.

In any case, please explain to a full-of-shit retard like myself what the fuck you are talking about, and how many names you think I am posting under and how you would prefer to document that.

[QUOTE=Hilltopper]I'm sure it must be a software glitch that has caused the poster Mesco's posts to be combined with your Travelling Gring posts and now El Rey De Pollo posts. I'm convinced it has to be a glitch because after reading back through the history of your trip reports it's obvious to see that there are many inconsistancies in factual information reported by the 3 different (yet combined) poster names on various forums here, i.e., your age, expierences, etc. The only common traits the three posters appear to have is that they are antagonistic toward other posters, and as an astute poster so eloquently opined below---full of shit.

Has to be a software glitch....right?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dcpublius]I will be coming up to Bogota this weekend for a few days. Is there a Bogota 101 FAQ anywhere? I'm used to places like Bangkok where newbs can get around the scene very easily. I don't speak any Spanish. What's my play? Searched the net. Found lots of minute details. But little general info on how newbs should proceed.[/QUOTE]Bro,

With no Spanish skills you will definitley need a guide in Bogota.

Things would have been much easier for you if you would have booked Medellin and stayed at one of the Monger Motels and barring that Cartagena would have been easier.

Be careful, be safe Y Buena Suerte!

Rainman3

Dude, click on your own reporting history and you will see that the reports from Travelling Gring, Mesocorny and El Rey De Pollo are all from the same poster-you. That's what Cubanut called you out on when you replied to Mesocorny's post as El Rey De Pollo. You were commenting on your own report, but presenting it to us here that you were a different poster than Mesocorny.

Mesocorny showed up on the Colombia forum back in March as a 24 year-old Swede wondering about the legality of bangin' a 17-year old Colombiana (see below), before he and his 22-year old buddy made a return trip to Cartagena.

When you changed your name to El Rey De Pollo, your posts as Mesocorny merged to your new name, along with all your prior posts as Travelling Gring in the Cuba forum.

You were exposed by Cubanut and any person can read back through your prior posts to see that you've presented differning facts as to things like your age, how many times you've been to Cuba, etc.

I orginally responded to you in good faith as Mesocorny to provide you with my experience in dealing with non-pro Colombianas. At the time, I thought you were legit and tried to share helpful information with you, but it was all a hoax on your part. Now, you have zero credibility as far as I'm concerned.

You probably know the old saying-fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. I'll leave it at being fooled once by Mesocorny and regard anything you now post as El Rey De Pollo as a fairytale.

Top of the day to you.

[QUOTE=El Rey De Pollo]Originally Posted by Mesocorny

Hi Guys,

Me and my buddy were down in Cartagena last week. I'm 24, he's 22. We met two super hot girls at a club, 17 year old both of them. No talk of money or anything like that. They were clearly to be had, but I chickened out because I just don't know the law on age. Been to Cuba a couple of times and there it's like the crime of the century to be with a girl under 18.

So I read the age of consent is 14 in Colombia, but does that go for foreigners as well?

We are heading down again in a few weeks, so basically would just like to know if we can hang out (and more) with these two girls without breaking any laws.

What I (think I) understand is that 18 is minimum age for prostitution, but keep in mind we are not looking for this.[/QUOTE]

Where do you guys get this Colombianas like older men from? I am 29 speak spanish fluetly and have done 11 trips in less than 2 years visiting Cartagena, Cali, Medellin, and Bogota and since I have been going to Colombia in the citys I have been to I have observed (I am not talking about Gringos) the average Colombiana is not dating an older Colombiano in public. Lets speak about Parque Lleras for example in Medellin do you see the average young (18-25) Colombiana with an older(40+) Colombiano in public? I don't think this is really common in Colombia culture from what I have observed unless she is a golddigger/pre-pagado/puta. Now if you told me this happens in the DR I will co-sign with you because I have seen it there.

[QUOTE=Soldierb11]4. Age differences- it is very common for colomebianas to date men 15 years or more older than they are. A good percentage of them actually prefer an older man. Age does not matter to them very much its your attitude. So if you are 55 and act young and energetic you will have much better luck than a 45 year old thats acts old and worn out. If you are 25, do not act like a frat boy on spring break in Cancun. Latinas prefer a little maturity in their men, in fact if I was 25 years old and in Colombia I would lie and say I was 32 years or something.

Anyways that my 2 pesos, doesn't matter what you do as long as you are enjoying yourself.[/QUOTE]

Okay, got to apologize then. Not for posting under different names, because believe it or not, I am not. But for coming at you. Checked my history and you are right. I've got that guys posts in my posting history as posted under the name I just changed to (simply because gringo makes everyone think I am American...)

Guess this is to no avail. Other than to ask Jackson what's up. You have now presented documentation and it sure looks like documentation. But if you've done your research down through the years I've been on, you'll see that (apart from being antagonistic as you seem to think I am) I've been around the Cuba forum helping out loads of guys. Why the f*** would I suddenly be posting under another name of some 20 year old guy in the Colombia forum wanting help? Wouldn't my chances of getting help be better if I was myself? Someone with a history of helping others and more posts to my name?

mesocorny: Could you post something? Would love to see if a new post from you goes into my history as well. Tried a PM, but can't write you.

Okay, that's cool. I haven't posted anything here for a long time because I was only active on the Cuba forum and that forum got infested with lies. Like the Colombia forum. Guess I shouldn't have returned. Whatever. Cheers and good luck in Colombia. Wish I was there.

[QUOTE=Pana NYC]Where do you guys get this Colombianas like older men from? I am 29 speak spanish fluetly and have done 11 trips in less than 2 years visiting Cartagena, Cali, Medellin, and Bogota and since I have been going to Colombia in the citys I have been to I have observed (I am not talking about Gringos) the average Colombiana is not dating an older Colombiano in public. Lets speak about Parque Lleras for example in Medellin do you see the average young (18-25) Colombiana with an older(40+) Colombiano in public? I don't think this is really common in Colombia culture from what I have observed unless she is a golddigger/pre-pagado/puta. Now if you told me this happens in the DR I will co-sign with you because I have seen it there.[/QUOTE]I get this from what I have seen and been told. I met a girl last year at LDV, was a great GFE, so I went back and had another great week of GFE with her, now she is more a girlfriend than a GFE and I have been back 3 more times and stay with her at her apartment away from bocagrande and laguito. I have met about 8-10 of her girlfriends and EVERY ONE has a story about their first boyfriend who was much older than they are. Most of the girls started dating colombianos when they were 15-16 years and their b/FS were on average 35 years. Fast forward to now and those girls are 25years and again EVERY ONE of them has a b/f at least 10 years older.

Sure there are always exceptions to every rule and there are certaintly going to be some colombianas that prefer men there own age but I just haven't seen it

[QUOTE=Pana Nyc]Where do you guys get this Colombianas like older men from? I am 29 speak spanish fluetly and have done 11 trips in less than 2 years visiting Cartagena, Cali, Medellin, and Bogota and since I have been going to Colombia in the citys I have been to I have observed (I am not talking about Gringos) the average Colombiana is not dating an older Colombiano in public. Lets speak about Parque Lleras for example in Medellin do you see the average young (18-25) Colombiana with an older(40+) Colombiano in public? I don't think this is really common in Colombia culture from what I have observed unless she is a golddigger/pre-pagado/puta. Now if you told me this happens in the DR I will co-sign with you because I have seen it there.[/QUOTE]U do make a good point about golddiggers though.

The little gang of chicas I know could all be golddiggers and looking for a way up in life. But they are horrible golddiggers because not one of them has a wealthy or extravagant boyfriend. Especially my girlfriend she found in me one of the cheaper bastards around.

[QUOTE=El Rey De Pollo]Okay, got to apologize then. Not for posting under different names, because believe it or not, I am not. But for coming at you. Checked my history and you are right. I've got that guys posts in my posting history as posted under the name I just changed to (simply because gringo makes everyone think I am American.)[/QUOTE]Dude. You've been busted. Just give up. It's not that you posted under a different name. You CHANGED names.

I guess you didn't read the FAQ:

Changes in your User Name will be reflected in all your past reports. In other words, all your existing reports and your future reports will display your new User Name.

[QUOTE=Pana Nyc]Where do you guys get this Colombianas like older men from? I am 29 speak spanish fluetly and have done 11 trips in less than 2 years visiting Cartagena, Cali, Medellin, and Bogota and since I have been going to Colombia in the citys I have been to I have observed (I am not talking about Gringos) the average Colombiana is not dating an older Colombiano in public. Lets speak about Parque Lleras for example in Medellin do you see the average young (18-25) Colombiana with an older(40+) Colombiano in public? I don't think this is really common in Colombia culture from what I have observed unless she is a golddigger/pre-pagado/puta. Now if you told me this happens in the DR I will co-sign with you because I have seen it there.[/QUOTE]Parque Lleras is for the rich and famous amigo.

It sure doesn't represent the majority in Colombia, not by a long shot.

My observations on this subject below:

Take care

[QUOTE=Ricker]I have to say guys that I've been hanging out in Brazil quite a bit the past few years, mostly Sao Paulo, and I see the same exact deal there, the younger girls preferring to be with an older guy, especially if the guy has a young attitude about him.

I don't really notice a difference really between Colombia and Brazil in that respect.

Just like in Colombia, as you see in areas like Parque Lleras, where the more affluent hang out, the girls will generally be with guys their own age.

I've observed the same in Brazil.

At the social-economic levels where the younger native guys tend to be more jerk-offs, the girls tend to appreciate the older guy. In both Colombia and Brazil as well as countries in between ...



... Good luck amigos.[/QUOTE]

[quote]I was only active on the Cuba forum and that forum got infested with lies. [/QUOTE]May I ask you what do you mean by that? I'm interested cause I'm planning visiting Cuba for the firs time.

Regards,

Dude, I changed my name from Traveling Gring to El Rey de Pollo. This has/had nothing to do with the situation. Or at least shouldn't have. One can get tired of is name and change it. But what I ended up with was a posting history with the combined posts of three names: Traveling Gring, El Rey de Pollo and Mesocorny.

Busted? I don't know. Sure looks like it. All I can say is I am not this guy. I have asked Jackson to check out how it happened. If he comes back and says there is no error, and I must be Mesocorny and posting under several names, well, then there really isn't anything I can say. Then I won't stick around trying to defend my case. That would be a waste of time.

But I hope Jackson can clear things up. If there are two things in this world I have never wanted to be it is a scizofrenic. and a Swede.

[QUOTE=Hioctane]Dude. You've been busted. Just give up. It's not that you posted under a different name. You CHANGED names.

I guess you didn't read the FAQ:

Changes in your User Name will be reflected in all your past reports. In other words, all your existing reports and your future reports will display your new User Name.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Soldierb11]U do make a good point about golddiggers though.

The little gang of chicas I know could all be golddiggers and looking for a way up in life. But they are horrible golddiggers because not one of them has a wealthy or extravagant boyfriend. Especially my girlfriend she found in me one of the cheaper bastards around.[/QUOTE]From what I've seen, Colombians are just more tolerant of age differences, PERIOD. It could also be a 20 year old dude going out with a 40 year old cuchibarbie. People just don't get hung up about that shit here.

[QUOTE=Pana Nyc]Where do you guys get this Colombianas like older men from? I am 29 speak spanish fluetly and have done 11 trips in less than 2 years visiting Cartagena, Cali, Medellin, and Bogota and since I have been going to Colombia in the citys I have been to I have observed (I am not talking about Gringos) the average Colombiana is not dating an older Colombiano in public. Lets speak about Parque Lleras for example in Medellin do you see the average young (18-25) Colombiana with an older(40+) Colombiano in public? I don't think this is really common in Colombia culture from what I have observed.[/QUOTE]Pana NYC,

You basically have stated the obvious. The older Colombians are NOT dating their younger counterparts in public. Why should they? And what makes anyone think that Parque Lleras is the Meca of Dinner Dating? Medellin is filled with kick ass places to eat that are much more comfortable and discreet.

As a side note, aside from the people watching on a Friday or Saturday night, Parque Lleras is one of the LEAST places I would go to eat. There are much better options such as Palmias, Donde Bupo's, the original Lomo's and even a few other spots that you will rarely find gringos going to so I won't mention them out here (per a request from a friend who loves that fact).

Parque Lleras is frickin NOISY! The competing restaurants music, the cars, the anoying beggars and sales people, etc. Like I said, sure it's nice to see the pussy parade at Parque Lleras, but if you ALREADY have a HOTTIE, no reason to go there for dinner in the public eye.

Cheers,

Cubanut

LLeras can be fun with a couple of my colombian local friends and a stable of non-pros. :) But there are certainly better options for one-on-one dates.

As for this whole mesocorny/rey-de-pollo controversy, I read some of rey's reports and I may have to partly retract what I said about non-pros in Cuba. Last time I was there was '04-'05 so it's possible hanging out with non-pros has become more difficult in recent times. That's too bad because the non-pro cubana is quite a treat! But if that's the case, it adds more doubt into mesocorny's recent comments about his ease in scoring non-pros in countries like Cuba (which he specifically mentioned) and his whole spiel/argument.

Whatever the deal is with all these different aliases and their conflicting reports I couldn't care less, but I think ISG readers should have up to date info on whatever they're looking for so I'm adding this partial correction to my previous post.

[QUOTE=Cubanut]Pana NYC,

You basically have stated the obvious. The older Colombians are NOT dating their younger counterparts in public. Why should they? And what makes anyone think that Parque Lleras is the Meca of Dinner Dating? Medellin is filled with kick ass places to eat that are much more comfortable and discreet.

As a side note, aside from the people watching on a Friday or Saturday night, Parque Lleras is one of the LEAST places I would go to eat. There are much better options such as Palmias, Donde Bupo's, the original Lomo's and even a few other spots that you will rarely find gringos going to so I won't mention them out here (per a request from a friend who loves that fact).

Parque Lleras is frickin NOISY! The competing restaurants music, the cars, the anoying beggars and sales people, etc. Like I said, sure it's nice to see the pussy parade at Parque Lleras, but if you ALREADY have a HOTTIE, no reason to go there for dinner in the public eye.

Cheers,

Cubanut[/QUOTE]Exactly right Cuba. Colombians are more discreet about these things. Fernando, the driver at the Mansion, told me this. All Colombian men have 4 women in their lives. The wife, the novia, the puta, and the mistress. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I'm sure he mentioned it lots. LOL

[QUOTE=El Rey De Pollo]Dude, I changed my name from Traveling Gring to El Rey de Pollo. This has/had nothing to do with the situation. Or at least shouldn't have. One can get tired of is name and change it. But what I ended up with was a posting history with the combined posts of three names: Traveling Gring, El Rey de Pollo and Mesocorny.

Busted? I don't know. Sure looks like it. All I can say is I am not this guy. I have asked Jackson to check out how it happened. If he comes back and says there is no error, and I must be Mesocorny and posting under several names, well, then there really isn't anything I can say. Then I won't stick around trying to defend my case. That would be a waste of time.

But I hope Jackson can clear things up. If there are two things in this world I have never wanted to be it is a scizofrenic. and a Swede.[/QUOTE]I don't really give a crap, just wondering why would you write in one post you were 24 y.o. and in another 35 y.o. :) It is a not a "dating" site, why not stay the same all the time.

Take the metro and observe the age differences. Hop on one of the Cables getting off at one of the stops and you will notice the age difference. Younger girls do tend to gravitate towards older me. I think this is something that is ingrained in them since it has been happening for years.

I have also see this happen in other countries including Brazil and Panama. Older men tend to be more stable and family oriented. It is a way out of daddies house into her own.

When I am in Colombia I spend a lot of time in Parque Bello and in Niquia, try mingling with those who are not digging and you will see women who want to start families and even date older men.

[QUOTE=Pana Nyc]Where do you guys get this Colombianas like older men from? I am 29 speak spanish fluetly and have done 11 trips in less than 2 years visiting Cartagena, Cali, Medellin, and Bogota and since I have been going to Colombia in the citys I have been to I have observed (I am not talking about Gringos) the average Colombiana is not dating an older Colombiano in public. Lets speak about Parque Lleras for example in Medellin do you see the average young (18-25) Colombiana with an older(40+) Colombiano in public? I don't think this is really common in Colombia culture from what I have observed unless she is a golddigger/pre-pagado/puta. Now if you told me this happens in the DR I will co-sign with you because I have seen it there.[/QUOTE]

You have to remember though. Medellin is not the whole country. Mentalities vary greatly from valley to valley.

[QUOTE=El Rey De Pollo]And how the farc do you want me to answer when I'm not 24 nor Swedish nor posting under more than one name.[/QUOTE]I guess then somebody must have hacked your account and making posts such as these:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=998849&postcount=2021[/url]

Hola fellow mongers. New guy here. I have RTFF for some time now, but will soon be in a position to contribute as well. This fall I intend to spend a month or more south of the US, most likely in a Spanish immersion class whilst partaking of the local culture (heh). What I am looking for is a place where the cost of living is low(ish), the monger scene is prolific and the amateur scene is fair to good and good diving water is not too far away. Just a couple quick questions for those who know.

- The only Spanish immersion class that may be available is in Cartagena. If that is the case, would you recommend somewhere else (CR, Panama) over Cartagena for mongering?

- From what I understand, the cost of living in Columbia is comparable to Costa Rica, the monger scene is fairly average but cheap and the amateur scene is there but hard to score in. Is this about right?

- Is there good diving around Cartegena? If I did manage to find a class inland (Medellin, Cali) are there enough things to do and explore if I were there for a month? After all, man cannot surviving by mongering alone.

[QUOTE=El Rey De Pollo]Good work, Sherlock. If you would care to study before you took office as prosecutor you may have seen that we have already established that I have all the guys posts under my name. Feel free to link to every single one if that makes you happy.[/QUOTE]As you see I never had any intention to insult you. If other people post under your name (this is what I actually thought in contrast to others) , it is better for them to say so. That's it. Sorry for the offtop.

[QUOTE=El Rey De Pollo]Good work, Sherlock. If you would care to study before you took office as prosecutor you may have seen that we have already established that I have all the guys posts under my name. Feel free to link to every single one if that makes you happy ... [/QUOTE]

I think what we may need here is 'my Cousin Vinny' to straighten this whole 'el Rey de Pollo' mystery out.

Really though, does it really matter anymore?
We all get it.

The investigation can stop :)

[QUOTE=Strangeman]Hola fellow mongers. New guy here. I have RTFF for some time now, but will soon be in a position to contribute as well. This fall I intend to spend a month or more south of the US, most likely in a Spanish immersion class whilst partaking of the local culture (heh). What I am looking for is a place where the cost of living is low(ish), the monger scene is prolific and the amateur scene is fair to good and good diving water is not too far away. Just a couple quick questions for those who know.

- The only Spanish immersion class that may be available is in Cartagena. If that is the case, would you recommend somewhere else (CR, Panama) over Cartagena for mongering?

- From what I understand, the cost of living in Columbia is comparable to Costa Rica, the monger scene is fairly average but cheap and the amateur scene is there but hard to score in. Is this about right?

- Is there good diving around Cartegena? If I did manage to find a class inland (Medellin, Cali) are there enough things to do and explore if I were there for a month? After all, man cannot surviving by mongering alone.[/QUOTE]Cartagena is the most expensive city in Colombia but still nothing compared to Panama or CR.

There is EXCELLENT diving around Cartagena, by Islas de Rosario and Baru etc.

I personally do alright in Bogota, do very well in most other places here I have been, and can't get arrested by non pros in Cartagena. YMMV.

[QUOTE=Ricker]The investigation can stop :)[/QUOTE]Please.

Or take it to [url]www.whogivesafuck.com[/url]

[QUOTE=Ricker]I think what we may need here is 'my Cousin Vinny' to straighten this whole 'el Rey de Pollo' mystery out.

Really though, does it really matter anymore?

We all get it.

The investigation can stop :)[/QUOTE]I have no intention of keeping this up. If smart asses would keave it alone. We already established beyond doubt that in my history I have all the posts of traveling Gring (my previous handle) and El Rey de Pollo (my current) plus the posts of Mesocorny. I sent an e-mail about a week ago to the forum admins explaining and asking for clarification, but have heard nothing, so unless I hear something I guess I am officially also mesocorny and thus officially posting under false names, in which case I am out of here.

Does anyone knows any good apartment for rent in Medellin?

Does anyone know if Colombia if/when they'll upgrade to the new credit card technology? Has anybody run into this yet? The article says Brazil and Mexico are upgrading, and considering the credit card theft/scam problems in Colombia (and other countries), it would seem logical for Colombia to follow. Sounds like USA will lag behind.

[quote]Americans abroad run into trouble using credit cards

By Roger Yu, USA TODAY

Americans are increasingly facing difficulty using their credit cards abroad.

Chief culprit? Different technology standards.

U.S.-issued cards still have magnetic strips. More cards abroad are issued with encrypted microprocessor chips, and shops and businesses have adjusted the payment process to the varying standard, says Jack Jania of Gemalto, which develops chip cards.

The chip cards — called chip-and-PIN cards because users must enter their personal identification number — are "being deployed everywhere else," he says.

According to trade group Smart Card Alliance, 22 countries are migrating to the chip-and-PIN standard, including many in Western Europe, China, India, Japan, Mexico, Canada and Brazil. They're embracing the new technology because it's more secure than using magnetic strips, Jania says.

In a 2009 survey, consulting firm Aite Group concluded that the majority of U.S. credit and debit card holders had experienced some difficulty using their cards abroad.

Tom Griffin, a book editor at Rick Steves' Europe Through the Back Door, a website and publisher of travel books, says the issue is frequently discussed in his company's online forum. "It's getting worse."

Griffin experienced the difficulty when he visited his daughter, Emily, who lives in France. When he stopped at an automated gas station on a Sunday — many gas stations are closed on Sunday in France — he found the pump wouldn't accept his credit card. "Fortunately, my daughter's credit card worked," he says. "And I gave her the cash."

The problem is particularly acute at automated kiosks in Europe, such as the vending machines at regional rail stations and bicycle rental racks in Paris, parking meters in parts of London, toll roads and gas stations, all of which accept only chip-and-PIN cards. And the problem could get worse. More unattended pay stations are appearing in Europe.

Visa says most payment terminals in countries that have adopted chip-payment technology can still process U.S. cards. Visa advises American travelers to present their cards to attendants "in the rare instance that a card holder encounters a problem" at self-service machines.

Jania agrees but says European sales clerks are more accustomed to chip-and-PIN cards and often don't know how to process other types. "You have to argue with them to use the card," he says.

It's difficult for U.S. financial institutions to switch to the chip-and-PIN standard because they've invested heavily in the old technology. It'd cost the industry about $8.6 billion to convert, says consulting firm Javelin Strategy & Research.

Wal-Mart, however, is acknowledging more foreign visitors to the U.S. and the chip's international appeal. The retail giant is changing its payment system to begin accepting chip-and-PIN cards.

What should Americans do abroad? "Watch out and use cash," Griffin says.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Vics Picks]I think before you said you were going to be in BAQ for just a few days. Forget an apartment and just go to the Hotel Continatal. It is located in a very safe section near the university. Chica friendly and around $50 a night. I rate it a four star hotel.

As far as you wanting young pretty Flaca's then bring your wallet and go to Luistania. A short taxi ride from the hotel. 10,000 peso cover charge and last time I was there it was 180 K for a real stunner. Now that I think about it there is no place that I have been that has any better looking girls. A few months ago on Wed. nights they have all the girls wearing bras and pantys with the garter belts and hose. Your eyes will bug out. As always collect some numbers. They will be happy to beat the house out of thier cut.[/QUOTE]When I go to BAQ i stay at a house for $24 per night. It's a colombian version of a bed and breakfeast. There are about 4 rooms that can be rented (1 story), great security, kitchen is shared by all tennants and staffed with a maid to cook groceries you supply. I've stayed at the El Prado and the Barranquilla Plaza and this house is hands down the way to go. The owner is an ex Colombian Navy officer and he has like establishments in other cities. it is on calle or cra 77 I get the two confused. I will be staying there this month and if you would like the info just let me know.

Sometimes I wonder if all mongers are wealthy. Let us be honest, between taking flights, booking hotels, cabs, food, tips, drinks, and having sex with your pro-non pro favoritas, I mean that adds up and require large amount of money every trip.

So how much money you guys make, and are all of you wealthy? As for me, I live on a limited monthly salary just little under $2000 a month. I save as much as I can and try to go out twice a year, I have been to Colombia, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Ecuador, Panama and would love to travel a lot more than my budget can afford.

I remember a while ago one member wrote very eloquently about being a Kmart monger type, he was very entertaining but did make some sense in a way. I am not wealthy by all means as you know from my measly income, but when I go out, I try my best to maximize my pleasure without taking away from quality.

[QUOTE=Viajero]Sometimes I wonder if all mongers are wealthy. Let us be honest, between taking flights, booking hotels, cabs, food, tips, drinks, and having sex with your pro-non pro favoritas, I mean that adds up and require large amount of money every trip.

So how much money you guys make, and are all of you wealthy? As for me, I live on a limited monthly salary just little under $2000 a month. I save as much as I can and try to go out twice a year, I have been to Colombia, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Ecuador, Panama and would love to travel a lot more than my budget can afford.

I remember a while ago one member wrote very eloquently about being a Kmart monger type, he was very entertaining but did make some sense in a way. I am not wealthy by all means as you know from my measly income, but when I go out, I try my best to maximize my pleasure without taking away from quality.[/QUOTE]I think you can already consider yourself "wealthy" if you'd like. Especially if you compare to the "wealthy" making 100-200K or more but still getting shit for their money in USA. I believe it's not about the actual amount of money but what you get in the end.

[QUOTE=Viajero]Sometimes I wonder if all mongers are wealthy. Let us be honest, between taking flights, booking hotels, cabs, food, tips, drinks, and having sex with your pro-non pro favoritas, I mean that adds up and require large amount of money every trip.

So how much money you guys make, and are all of you wealthy? As for me, I live on a limited monthly salary just little under $2000 a month. I save as much as I can and try to go out twice a year, I have been to Colombia, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Ecuador, Panama and would love to travel a lot more than my budget can afford.

I remember a while ago one member wrote very eloquently about being a Kmart monger type, he was very entertaining but did make some sense in a way. I am not wealthy by all means as you know from my measly income, but when I go out, I try my best to maximize my pleasure without taking away from quality.[/QUOTE]First off I give you credit for beiing able to monger at all on your income. It is wise that you save money to monger as most of the money that you would spend in your country would not give you the pleasure you would get on a mongering trip.
Yes it gets expensive for even a budget monger. I try to keep costs down by staying in budget hotels or apts. I also wait for discount airline tickets. I don't take the high end girls but instead hunt for a gem in a more less costly setting. In MDE I rarely take a taxi. I use the Metro and I love to walk so that is a savings. When I find a good one I cut out the middle man ( stripclub or casa boss} and get them to my digs for better action and a more happy girl as she now does not have to share her fee with the house man. Also the drinks in my place are way less costly then in a bar or casa.

Good luck and keep pluging.

[QUOTE=Viajero]Sometimes I wonder if all mongers are wealthy. Let us be honest, between taking flights, booking hotels, cabs, food, tips, drinks, and having sex with your pro-non pro favoritas, I mean that adds up and require large amount of money every trip.

So how much money you guys make, and are all of you wealthy? As for me, I live on a limited monthly salary just little under $2000 a month. I save as much as I can and try to go out twice a year, I have been to Colombia, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Ecuador, Panama and would love to travel a lot more than my budget can afford.

I remember a while ago one member wrote very eloquently about being a Kmart monger type, he was very entertaining but did make some sense in a way. I am not wealthy by all means as you know from my measly income, but when I go out, I try my best to maximize my pleasure without taking away from quality.[/QUOTE]More than wealth, how do some people have the *time* to make trips to Colombia like every month?

For me money is less of an issue (to answer your question I make 5,000 a month after taxes...definitely no tycoon) but time. I get 15 days of paid vacation a year, a standard company policy. What do people do for a living that lets them travel so often?

Thats a good question. Do you have to be wealthy to travel? I'm retired and make a little under $3000 a month.

To me it starts with the flight. Im big into frequent flyer miles on American Airlines. The miles add up fast, and I can usually get a free flight within a short time. Plus I check the flight costs from San Francisco and wait to when the flights are at their cheapest during the year.

I always stay at budget hotels, usually 3 *** or 2 stars**. In Medellin its the Nutibara or the Plazuela Nutibara. I dont need a luxury room with all amenities, I can get by in a smaller room with a fan. Plus I bring my own soap and face cloth.

I try to eat at Colombian restaurants or the local places to eat. They can be amazingly cheap and I get huge helpings of food. Many times more than I can eat. Sometimes I just eat half the meal and save the rest for later in the day.

And as far as the mongering goes, Im into street walkers and casas. They're a lot cheaper than escorts, prepagos, and the nite club scene which I cant afford. Some of these streetwalkers will go for as little as $5 a session.

I can afford 2 to 3 trips to Central and So. America per year. And Ive gone to quite a few countries in those regions on my budget.

Went with the novia thru Antioquia and (I think) Caldas and have a few observations. First, and this goes somewhat to the recent discussion here about costs of mongering, the costs dramatically decrease outside of Medellin. 1 hr on internet in Santa Rosa was 25 cents, parking (we rented a car) was 50 cents for 2 hrs, and they give you enough food for an army for 5 bucks. Also Club Colombias was about 1/2 what they are in Medellin. So, while I did not have a chance to partake in any local action around Periera or Manizales (novia has a tight leash), one can presume that the cost of puta is also lower. Found a very nice hotel in Manizales for 1/2 what you would pay in Medellin.

Visited the Termales Santa Rosa, and if one has time, certainly worth the trip. Go with a chica, I think it would be difficult to find somebody there, we paid 25 bucks a night for a very nice place only about 5 min drive from the termales. REALLY good makeout place, right there in the hot pool, love it.

I think anybody with a little time, some Spanish, and wants to get outside MDE will have no problems with mongering, at a fraction of MDE, which is not too expensive anyway.

Hey guys,

I am a late 20s Aussie bloke who is visiting Colombia on the 11th of June for a month. Thats only 4 days away, and i'm very excited about it.

I'm really looking for some cool local guys down there who can help me avoid being ripped off and show me around, in exchange i'll be happy to buy you some food and drinks and share some great stories with you!

I'm still deciding between Cartagena and Medellin and have already emailed a few of the apartment rental places listed on here for availabilities. My previous experiences in south america dictate to me that the best deals are usually found on the ground rather than over the internet, so a part of me is thinking of spending a few days staying in a cheap hotel and doing some research for an apartment for 3 weeks once I fly in.

I just upgraded to a paid membership so feel free to IM me or give me some advice by replying in this thread.

I've RTFF but theres a lot of conflicting reports, i think the best thing to do is figure it out for myself when I get there with some expert guidance.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Sehns]Hey guys,

I am a late 20s Aussie bloke who is visiting Colombia on the 11th of June for a month. Thats only 4 days away, and i'm very excited about it.

I'm really looking for some cool local guys down there who can help me avoid being ripped off and show me around, in exchange i'll be happy to buy you some food and drinks and share some great stories with you!

I'm still deciding between Cartagena and Medellin and have already emailed a few of the apartment rental places listed on here for availabilities. My previous experiences in south america dictate to me that the best deals are usually found on the ground rather than over the internet, so a part of me is thinking of spending a few days staying in a cheap hotel and doing some research for an apartment for 3 weeks once I fly in.

I just upgraded to a paid membership so feel free to IM me or give me some advice by replying in this thread.

I've RTFF but theres a lot of conflicting reports, i think the best thing to do is figure it out for myself when I get there with some expert guidance.

Cheers[/QUOTE]Crap, I just tried to send you a 7 paragraph PM, only to get the following response: "Sehns has chosen not to receive private messages or may not be allowed to receive private messages. Therefore you may not send your message to him/her."

I should have paid more attention to your saying "just upgraded" and sent a short PM to test whether Jackson has had a chance to activate your PM feature. Live and learn, I'll know better next time, lol. Shoot me a PM once your paid membership is activated. I arrive CTG a day before you and have the 11th open as a "freelance" day. I'd be happy to share any info, etc., about CTG.

Later

[QUOTE=Furysys]

I think anybody with a little time, some Spanish, and wants to get outside MDE will have no problems with mongering, at a fraction of MDE, which is not too expensive anyway.[/QUOTE]The issue is not money.. It's always cheaper outside of a big city. It's the safety and time factor. You're going someplace that no one has gone before. You don't know how safe it is and you might be wasting time when on vacation. However, if you're retired, living there and adventurous, it might be worth it to explore.

I'm replying to a topic being discussed in the Medellin thread right now.

If a girl accepts 5k or some other ridiculously low amount to have sex with you. TAKE IT! It's HER problem if she's undercharging NOT yours.

Don't pay more than 50k to have sex with a girl in Colombia unless the girl is AMAZING, unless it's outcall, unless it's LT, or there's a massage included or other special circumstances. Standard prices in Bogota are 30-50k and that's in Bogota.

A maid gets 25k a day here. If your place is filthy and huge give your maid 30k. NO MORE.

DO NOT TIP PEOPLE HERE! That includes the wg's your maids and ESPECIALLY taxi drivers. Stop fucking with shit you have no clue about.

Some of your attitudes frankly make me want to vomit. If I find people in MY town going out of their way to kill the local market I will PERSONALLY make it my mission to make every last WG in town think you have incurable gonorrea or hepatitis or something. Or I may resort to even worse measures. WTF is wrong with you guys with this stupid fucked up gringo mentality. Play by the LOCAL rules while you are here or you are not welcome!

I stopped contributing a long time ago to this section precisely because of stupid shit like this. Pearls before swine.

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I'm replying to a topic being discussed in the Medellin thread right now.

If a girl accepts 5k or some other ridiculously low amount to have sex with you. TAKE IT! It's HER problem if she's undercharging NOT yours.

Don't pay more than 50k to have sex with a girl in Colombia unless the girl is AMAZING, unless it's outcall, unless it's LT, or there's a massage included or other special circumstances. Standard prices in Bogota are 30-50k and that's in Bogota.

A maid gets 25k a day here. If your place is filthy and huge give your maid 30k. NO MORE.

DO NOT TIP PEOPLE HERE! That includes the wg's your maids and ESPECIALLY taxi drivers. Stop fucking with shit you have no clue about.

Some of your attitudes frankly make me want to vomit. If I find people in MY town going out of their way to kill the local market I will PERSONALLY make it my mission to make every last WG in town think you have incurable gonorrea or hepatitis or something. Or I may resort to even worse measures. WTF is wrong with you guys with this stupid fucked up gringo mentality. Play by the LOCAL rules while you are here or you are not welcome!

I stopped contributing a long time ago to this section precisely because of stupid shit like this. Pearls before swine.[/QUOTE]It may be a good idea for the locals to help the new non locals out a little.

When they arrive in Colombia as a newbie.

This could help the newly arrived form make the mistake of over tipping and fucking up a good thing?

[QUOTE=Dick Driven]It may be a good idea for the locals to help the new non locals out a little.

When they arrive in Colombia as a newbie.

This could help the newly arrived form make the mistake of over tipping and fucking up a good thing?[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree more.. Theres very little support on the forums and from regulars, you really need to do your research when you got here. I've had a bit of trouble so far finding a mongering wing to show me the ropes.

Lots of hate and bitchiness though

Sehns

I AM helping by posting what I did.

I know another poster with whom I had a big falling out, but he also is a senior member here, and STOPPED posting, ESPECIALLY in the Colombia section.

You can't even post so much as a restaurant suggestion on here because stupid people on this board will go and start tipping big time and next thing you know prices have DOUBLED.

I'm cheap as hell and PROUD of it. I don't want to have to work my ass off my whole life and ruin my health just to have a few dollars in my pocket. I found a country where I can do this. I do NOT want to promote what I'm running away from.

Not to mention, people who come here throwing money around like that, it's like carrying a big sign saying ROB THE FUCK OUT OF ME. And you won't have a SINGLE local looking out for you to warn you about because they DETEST that kind of behavior down here. NOTHING is considered more crass and boorish and overpaying for shit in Colombia. You've been warned... all of you!

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I AM helping by posting what I did.

I know another poster with whom I had a big falling out, but he also is a senior member here, and STOPPED posting, ESPECIALLY in the Colombia section.

You can't even post so much as a restaurant suggestion on here because stupid people on this board will go and start tipping big time and next thing you know prices have DOUBLED.

I'm cheap as hell and PROUD of it. I don't want to have to work my ass off my whole life and ruin my health just to have a few dollars in my pocket. I found a country where I can do this. I do NOT want to promote what I'm running away from.

Not to mention, people who come here throwing money around like that, it's like carrying a big sign saying ROB THE FUCK OUT OF ME. And you won't have a SINGLE local looking out for you to warn you about because they DETEST that kind of behavior down here. NOTHING is considered more crass and boorish and overpaying for shit in Colombia. You've been warned... all of you![/QUOTE]I feel your pain , and I thank you for the advice. I guess the only thing you can do is keep on post this information over and over again.

I am very aware the the tip is included in the bill and I never tip a taxi driver,
but I may have slipped my favorite girl a little something extra now and then.
Tipping was not a Canadian innovation,It is something that is more wide spread in The USA.

So thanks again , and do keep posting this information.

I don't think you will be able to complete Bogota in one day, unless you're lucky. If you don't live there, come in the day before, spend the night, be at the American Consulate when they open, 8am, I think. Present them with your documents of income, and they will give you a letter stating the amount you receive, for free. Go from there to the Supercade, Cra 30 with Calle 26. Their phone number is supposedly (Bogota) 5874000, their website [url]http://www.Cancilleria.gov.co/wps/portal/espanol[/url]. Taxistas don't know their ass from a hole in the ground, they'll say, this is the area? It's a tall tower, 12-15 stories, the only one in the vicinity. You don't want the tower, you want the low building to the left. If you have less than 5 documents the website says you don't need an appointment. Go up the steps, if there are girls in yellow vests, get one of them to take you where you get documento legalizar. If not, get in the line on the right to get a number. When you get to the desk, tell them legalizar documento and you don't have a cita, they won't give you a number, just tell you to go over by the right wall. You get to one of the desks in the row by the wall, tell them you're from out of town, have less than 5 documents. There's a really nice looking woman at the next to the last desk, I'm definitely taking some pastries next time. They'll print out a pay form for 15K pesos per document, which you take out just short of the entrance, on the right, there's a bank office, green and white, you pay and get a receipt. You take this back to the person at the desk, they'll tell you, if you're lucky, to come back shortly, or if not, after 2pm. Keep the receipt they give you, you'll need it to reclaim your document(s). When you get your document, if it's before 10, or if not at 7:20 the next day, go to the Ministery de Relaciones Exteriores at Cra 13 #93-68, Parque 93, second floor. I got there about 6:50am, I was number 29. Get there around 6:30am better. You will need: Your statement of income, your passport, 1 copy of the photo page of your passport, one copy of your previous visa, three passport size photos with a WHITE background, one copy of the Solicitude de Visa, Codigo SC-FO-15, Version 2, which you can download, which should already be filled out, with one photo pasted in the box and the other two paper clipped to your documents. You will be given a number at the door, which, if you're near the front of the line, will be called soon. Give your completed paperwork to the clerk, sit, stay. You will be called to receive your passport and visa in one to two hours. Thank you, and done. Ask the guard at the door for two copies of the Solicitude de Visa for next year. They close for the day at 12 noon.

Go to Das to renew your Cedula. You will need your passport, 2 copies of your photo page, visa and cedula, three passport size photos with a BLUE background, a receipt from a specified bank, in Pereira Banco de Bogota Ubicado en la cra 7 #20-28 Plaza de Bolivar, which is actually a little past the plaza rather than facing it, for 140, 000 pesos, deposited to Cuenta #468671300 in the name of Fondo Rotatorio DAS. They have easy to read examples at the form filling desks, but you have to get a form from the guard. Take all these things to, in Pereira, the DAS offices at Ave 30 de Agosto, see Dona Maria Reina in the rear, fill out a form she'll give you, come back in 21 days will some small treat for Maria Reigna (not required) and you're in.

I stayed at the Hotel Las Terrazas, Calle 54A, #3-12, Tel: 255-5777, email: [email]hotellasterrazasatyahoo.com[/email], had a nice room with windows and a queen sized bed, cable TV with English channels, including a breakfast of eggs, toast, coffee or chocolate, juice, for 95K pesos a night. Dona Adela has been there since I first came to Colombia 34 Years ago.

There's a French restaurant just down the street around the corner to the left, good soup and escargot, the chicken was tough.

Down the hill at Calle 54 and Ave 7a, is Pan Fino, been there for 41 years. I bought 8 loaves of dark whole wheat bread to bring back to Pereira, gave away 6 loaves, big hit. If anyone knows of a good German bread bakery in Bogota, please let me know.

Not far away, below Ave 7a is Calle 53, starting about Cra 15, is a section Artisional, all kinds of crafts and neat things. There are at least three small fabric shops in the area where I bought unique looking fabric to have put on stretcher bars, maybe framed, and hang on the wall as art. La Gran Pyramide, Calle 53 #16-73 Local 104, Tel 2354183, on the South side of the street, small entrance going back to an inside store, really nice energetic lady, has all kinds of boxes, trunks, chests, other things, unpainted, but really inexpensive. I got: a mid-sized chest with a curved top, an itty bitty box with a curved top, and two regular sized boxes, all made of pine, painted with transparent lacquer, for 70, 000 pesos.

At La Esquina del Arte, Cra 16 #52-68, Tel 8111049, just down from the South West corner of the intersection of 53 &16, next to the Galleria Acapulco, Vladamir does incredibly good carving, deep, rounded, detailed, the kind I've been looking for, in pine and cedar. He does frames, trunks, beds, custom work. I really wish I hadn't found this place, they're going to get a LOT of my money.

Calle 53 had a 3-4 block stretch of shops with all kinds of neat decorative things, statues, silk flowers. I know this is not the general interest of members, that being PUSSY, but it was a nice area to look through.

El Minetero

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]

. If a girl accepts 5k or some other ridiculously low amount to have sex with you. TAKE IT! It's HER problem if she's undercharging NOT yours.

. A maid gets 25k a day here. If your place is filthy and huge give your maid 30k. NO MORE.

. DO NOT TIP PEOPLE HERE! That includes the wg's your maids and ESPECIALLY taxi drivers. Stop fucking with shit you have no clue about.

. Some of your attitudes frankly make me want to vomit. If I find people in MY town going out of their way to kill the local market I will PERSONALLY make it my mission to make every last WG in town think you have incurable gonorrea or hepatitis or something. Or I may resort to even worse measures. WTF is wrong with you guys with this stupid fucked up gringo mentality. Play by the LOCAL rules while you are here or you are not welcome![/QUOTE][QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Not to mention, people who come here throwing money around like that, it's like carrying a big sign saying ROB THE FUCK OUT OF ME. And you won't have a SINGLE local looking out for you to warn you about because they DETEST that kind of behavior down here. NOTHING is considered more crass and boorish and overpaying for shit in Colombia. You've been warned. All of you![/QUOTE]Hey I agree that throwing money around like a fool is stupid and could be dangerous, obviously if the wrong people have any eye on you.

I totally DISAGREE with you on trying to negotiate a chica down to a ridiulous 5k pesos. If that's your style, have at it, it's not for me.

I've been at this game for quite a while, I know what the going rates are, I do not over pay and I'm far from stupid.

I say pay the going rate, don't overpay like an idiot and drive up prices, but I will not be a weenie and negotiate, negotiate, negotiate to the lowest rock bottom price I could possibly get and squeeze every last pesos from the chica.

I'm sure all that rock-bottom negotiating lends to great service and a GFE.

To tell me not to tip someone for a job well done is trully what's ridiculous.

When did you make the rules for everyone?

How do you know that all Colombians detest that.

My MANY Colombian friends don't detest that.

If I want to tip MY maid because she worked her buns off the whole week and took great care of me, then I'll do it.

An extra 20-30lk pesos for her ain't much but it'll keep her smiling and doing a great job.

I you want to vomit and tell every WG that I have a disease (funny), go for it.

A better post would be to advise guys of the going rates and advise against overpaying and explain why in a reasonable manner.

Your post full of threats and warnings is a bit over the top.

I actually LIVE in Colombia and I hear them talk behind your back.

I put the truth out there, you can take it or leave it, like I said it's your money and your funeral.

If you pay a maid 50k for a day's work you are overpaying.

I don't pay 5k to get laid, these days I generally don't pay shit as I hooked up with a new gf and things are going excellently with her, but the going rate in most places in Bogota is 30-50k. In the mezzanine you get an hour massage with sex for 70k. Anything more is overpaying.

And like I said, Colombia is NOT the US where tipping is appreciated. It's very likely that you will wind up being robbed if you continue with that behavior.

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I actually LIVE in Colombia and I hear them talk behind your back.

. And like I said, Colombia is NOT the US where tipping is appreciated. It's very likely that you will wind up being robbed if you continue with that behavior.[/QUOTE]I've only been visiting Colombia for about 15 years now and lived there for a couple.

Like I said before, I'm not stupid and I don't tip like a chump, and I'm ALWAYS careful.

What do 'they' say behind my back?

That I'm such an idiota cause I tip a couple pesos, I doubt it.

I DON'T tip out of control, and you're CORRECT, you shouldn't, but a LITTLE kindess is not being stupid or breaking anybody's back, and it's not going to get me robbed, it's just being kind.

I'm far from beong a money flasher.

I hear them talk behind your back too BTW. Being muy tacano isn't exactly celebrated either.

Bottom line is, IMO you make some good and valid points but I personally don't agree with your harshness.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I actually LIVE in Colombia and I hear them talk behind your back.

I put the truth out there, you can take it or leave it, like I said it's your money and your funeral.

If you pay a maid 50k for a day's work you are overpaying.

I don't pay 5k to get laid, these days I generally don't pay shit as I hooked up with a new gf and things are going excellently with her, but the going rate in most places in Bogota is 30-50k. In the mezzanine you get an hour massage with sex for 70k. Anything more is overpaying.

And like I said, Colombia is NOT the US where tipping is appreciated. It's very likely that you will wind up being robbed if you continue with that behavior.[/QUOTE]It's your money and your funeral?

Damn dude. You ARE a piece of work.

And to say that tipping is not appreciated in Colombia is just plain.

Idiotic, ridiculous, stupid.

I don't know how much you're tipping and when. It's your own judgement. But somebody on here is paying their maid DOUBLE the going rate. That screams "chump" to me. Then he's probably going to log on Colombianblog or another forum and complain about how his silverware keeps going missing.

The time when you absolutely NEVER want to tip is dealing with taxi drivers. They are among the people in Colombia who do the BEST financially. And also there are lots of thieves among them, many of them will repay your tip by calling their thug friends and having them stake you out for a paseo. Same thing with handing some 40k girl two 50k notes and telling her to keep the change.

[QUOTE=Ricker]I've only been visiting Colombia for about 15 years now and lived there for a couple.

Like I said before, I'm not stupid and I don't tip like a chump, and I'm ALWAYS careful.

What do 'they' say behind my back?

That I'm such an idiota cause I tip a couple pesos, I doubt it.

I DON'T tip out of control, and you're CORRECT, you shouldn't, but a LITTLE kindess is not being stupid or breaking anybody's back, and it's not going to get me robbed, it's just being kind.

I'm far from beong a money flasher.

I hear them talk behind your back too BTW. Being muy tacano isn't exactly celebrated either.

Bottom line is, IMO you make some good and valid points but I personally don't agree with your harshness.

Good luck.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I actually LIVE in Colombia and I hear them talk behind your back.[/QUOTE]I live in Medellin and would like to move to the city where you live. Looks great to me when they talk behind your back for being a bigspender. Here they talk behind your back when you are a tacano.

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]If you pay a maid 50k for a day's work you are overpaying.[/QUOTE]Agree, the going rate in Medellin is 25k to 30k and they expect you provide lunch.

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I don't pay 5k to get laid, these days I generally don't pay shit as I hooked up with a new gf and things are going excellently with her,[/QUOTE]I think a meal or a drink with her will cost more than 10K, not to mention the small gifts. So at the end you will spend more than with a WG. Or do you also cut back on those when with your GF?

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito] And like I said, Colombia is NOT the US where tipping is appreciated. It's very likely that you will wind up being robbed if you continue with that behavior.[/QUOTE]Bad luck for me for living in Medellin because here they do appreciate tipping.

[QUOTE=Schwmmr]It's your money and your funeral?

Damn dude. You ARE a piece of work.

And to say that tipping is not appreciated in Colombia is just plain.

Idiotic, ridiculous, stupid.[/QUOTE]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_(gratuity)

Tipping is a western custom.. Know your country.. From what I understand, tipping is not customary. Do you know why people hate Americans? They try to impose their will upon others. When you go to another country, learn the language and customs... it will be appreciated more.

Well, each to his own, I guess, but to say Colombianas do not appreciate being tipped is news to me. I've talked enough to the chicas at Hooter's Medellin, and the Juan Valdez's, and there seems to be nothing they appreciate more than being tipped, given that they make about $300 per month, if they provide nice service and are friendly, why not?

I don't flash money, and don't think I overtip, but if so, so what? I am only one person, and I do not see how in a city of over 3 million like Medellin, my actions would make any real difference. It's how I made it thru university, I am returning the favour, in my small way.

[QUOTE=Hioctane]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_(gratuity)

Tipping is a western custom.. Know your country.. From what I understand, tipping is not customary. Do you know why people hate Americans? They try to impose their will upon others. When you go to another country, learn the language and customs... it will be appreciated more.[/QUOTE]Latin America is not considered Western? Wow! Thanks amigo. It's amazing how many professors there are adding to the forum.

Funny, I wonder why gratuity is commonly but not always included on the bill in restaurants throughout the region so it's always a good idea to check before settling up.

Did you ever stay in a hotel and not tip a bellhop? I know how far THAT will get you.

And that myth about Americans being "hated" so much overseas is way overblown. Sure it's the mindset of many to one extent or another but my experience in Europe and LA is that Americans are welcomed more than "hated".

I wouldn't have gone back hundreds of times in my adult life if it were true.

Keep that Wiki page dogeared for us. I need the education.

Thanks,

Schwmm

[QUOTE=Hioctane]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_(gratuity)

Tipping is a western custom.. Know your country.. From what I understand, tipping is not customary. Do you know why people hate Americans? They try to impose their will upon others. When you go to another country, learn the language and customs... it will be appreciated more.[/QUOTE]Impossible to get through a day in Colombia without hearing the word propina or seeing a hand palm up. What you do is up to you. These guys who are bottom dwelling at the lowest end of the market ought to be prepared for any kind of cheap get-over, after all it may be another country, but they're dealing with their own kind at their level.

10% is added to almost all bar/restaurant bills for about 10 years now, so I don't tip there any more.

Other places I may or may not depending on my mood.

[QUOTE=Menteng]I live in Medellin and would like to move to the city where you live. Looks great to me when they talk behind your back for being a bigspender. Here they talk behind your back when you are a tacano.

Agree, the going rate in Medellin is 25k to 30k and they expect you provide lunch.

I think a meal or a drink with her will cost more than 10K, not to mention the small gifts. So at the end you will spend more than with a WG. Or do you also cut back on those when with your GF?

Bad luck for me for living in Medellin because here they do appreciate tipping.[/QUOTE]I don't think your average paisa leaves a tip for his or her corrientazo.

And when I go out with my GF we BOTH put money in. She would be severely insulted if I tried to pay for everything. Only interesadas and prepagos do that in the circles I move in.

Actually come to think of it, two good corrientazos with drinks included DOES come to 8-10k. In the REAL Colombia where people make and spend pesos.

Too fuckin funny, it is custom to not tip in Colombia?

No , some of the people are cheap and then it became a custom. People TIP in Colombia, at least in my business they did, at least some did.

Ok, What would the senior members of this form, who have years of experience in Colombia suggest as a correct amount for a tip, say for a half hour at 30,000. For a casa girl?

You have to take what Bango says in stride. He's an expat who lives and works in Bogota "living the dream" getting paid in colombian pesos. :)

For a tourist who's just there a week or two, you obviously want to know what the going prices are so you don't throw your money left and right. But being "tacaño" (cheapskate) can backfire on you as well. For taxi rides, I usually just round up to the next 1k or 2k at most if it was a long ride or late at night; it's usually not worth the trouble demanding back exact change. Why [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off the driver over $1.25? I guess it depends on the situation, time of day or night, and length of the ride; go with your gut feelings on this.

High end restaurants at Lleras and other upscale neighborhoods, a 10% tip is fine if the service was good (can't remember now but I think the tip is mandatory anyway in some of the higher end places). The cheaper everday joints, don't leave more than 1k cop maybe 2k if it was a big or complicated order. Even just your change with the coins can be enough in many situations. Who wants all that small change jangling in your pockets anyway? Small tips from a visiting gringo are appreciated, and you'll usually get good treatment from the same people should you visit again.

Of course, if you don't plan on any repeat visits for a certain venue, then you can easily get away with not tipping at all.

I don't live in Colombia but from what I've read, I wouldn't pay more than 5K over the "going rate" for the housekeeping. Not because the old afro-colombian lady who's doing the work is going to get lazy, or steal your silverware, or rat on you to the bad guys, LOL, but rather you don't want to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off your petty, jealous neighbors if they find out how generous you are. ;) A nice bonus around Christmas and one other major holiday would be a smarter move and greatly appreciated by those ladies (who sometimes have to support 3 generations!).

[QUOTE=Dick Driven]Ok, What would the senior members of this form, who have years of experience in Colombia suggest as a correct amount for a tip, say for a half hour at 30, 000. For a casa girl?[/QUOTE]If a BBBJ is administered then 10K works fine. On my last trip with one girl the BBBJ was also with CIM. That brought a smile to both of us after a 20K tip.

What I also like about tipping for a BBBJ is when you take the same girl again then you do not have to say a word as the BBBJ is given with gusto. I tip to benifit me. I learned this from my father many years ago. He would over tip the same waitress in our favorite resturant and we would get great service and always a free desert. Fellows life is short, why not make people happy and at the same time feel good about yourself.

The bottom line for me is tip if you like, but if you are my Wingman and do not put in your share then hit the road Jack.

I will be relocating to Colombia from the USA very soon, and can't wait. My wife is Colombian from the cost and that's where she is intending in living and feels strongly about. I, on the other hand have something else in mind. I am planning on mongering on the side of course and dread the cost. First, Cartagena is expensive for my budget real estate, mongering wise, and the heat of course. Barranquilla is not attractive, and the heat is unbearable. As for my taste, I adore paisas and think that maybe where I will settle. However, my wife insists on living on the cost preferably Barranquilla.

I find my self to be fortunate to be able to stay in good health after some tough long years of hard work in the States, I finally called it quits and decided on living permanently in Colombia.

What you dear folks recommend to this poor fellow.

[QUOTE=Hioctane]Know your country.. From what I understand, tipping is not customary. Do you know why people hate Americans?[/QUOTE]Whatever amigo, you can't learn everything from reading a one page fact sheet and spending 3 days at the Mansion.

Enjoy Colombia and it's people, pay the going rate, treat people respectfully, tip approprietly (not rocket science) and don't be a total tacano schmuck.

It's just not that difficult.

People hating Americans?

Well, I've seen the ignorant loud-mouth types getting dirty looks from locals, but I don't appreciate that kind either.

For the most part, and I'm talking in general, throughout SA, Americans are well received and we have a far better reputation with the girls than do the typical local boys.

If you're feeling hated as an American, throw away the fact sheet (wickopedia or whatever) and re-read paragraph 2 above.

Good luck

[QUOTE=Phunluv]You have to take what Bango says in stride. He's an expat who lives and works in Bogota "living the dream" getting paid in colombian pesos. :)

!).[/QUOTE]How does 'work' equate into 'living the dream'? Having to work in Latin America (or anywhere) sounds like living the nightmare. But, if you have to be a mug, you have to be a mug somewhere. About propinas: a lot of times the reaction I get when giving a tip determines how I tip the next time. Not expecting anybody to fall over themselves, but act like the tip is your due, or show ingratitude, and another propina won't be coming your way anytime soon. Doesn't everyone tip a 40k casa girl? 5 or 10K always. Ten + especially if you know you'll want to be doing her again.

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I don't think your average paisa leaves a tip for his or her corrientazo.[/QUOTE]In places where they give you a receipt for the meal and/or drink there is a voluntary propina suggested. So if it is not common, I suppose it will not be mentioned.

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]And when I go out with my GF we BOTH put money in. She would be severely insulted if I tried to pay for everything. Only interesadas and prepagos do that in the circles I move in.[/QUOTE]Maybe I'm old-fashioned (no surprise at my age) but if I invite a woman, I take the tab. Even when I invite my wife for dinner, I pay because it was my initiative. It has nothing to do with the circles one moves in. It's about courtesy.

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Actually come to think of it, two good corrientazos with drinks included DOES come to 8-10k. In the REAL Colombia where people make and spend pesos.[/QUOTE]I really would like to move to where you live. In Medellin you pay about 1500 pesos for a gaseosa. Ad a hamburguesa of 4000 pesos and you will exceed the 10k pesos for the two. I mention prices in a small joint here in the neighbourhood, because in the streetstalls you will not get a hamburguesa or perro for less than 6000 pesos. Oh yes, I forgot, banana-chips cost 1000 pesos. But really, do you have your first dates in such places?

[QUOTE=Phunluv]You have to take what Bango says in stride. He's an expat who lives and works in Bogota "living the dream" getting paid in colombian pesos. :)

For a tourist who's just there a week or two, you obviously want to know what the going prices are so you don't throw your money left and right. But being "tacaño" (cheapskate) can backfire on you as well. For taxi rides, I usually just round up to the next 1k or 2k at most if it was a long ride or late at night; it's usually not worth the trouble demanding back exact change. Why [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off the driver over $1.25? I guess it depends on the situation, time of day or night, and length of the ride; go with your gut feelings on this.

High end restaurants at Lleras and other upscale neighborhoods, a 10% tip is fine if the service was good (can't remember now but I think the tip is mandatory anyway in some of the higher end places). The cheaper everday joints, don't leave more than 1k cop maybe 2k if it was a big or complicated order. Even just your change with the coins can be enough in many situations. Who wants all that small change jangling in your pockets anyway? Small tips from a visiting gringo are appreciated, and you'll usually get good treatment from the same people should you visit again.

Of course, if you don't plan on any repeat visits for a certain venue, then you can easily get away with not tipping at all.

I don't live in Colombia but from what I've read, I wouldn't pay more than 5K over the "going rate" for the housekeeping. Not because the old afro-colombian lady who's doing the work is going to get lazy, or steal your silverware, or rat on you to the bad guys, LOL, but rather you don't want to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off your petty, jealous neighbors if they find out how generous you are. ;) A nice bonus around Christmas and one other major holiday would be a smarter move and greatly appreciated by those ladies (who sometimes have to support 3 generations!).[/QUOTE]Phunluv,

I think you hit it on the head. Tipping customs vary from country to country. On my first trip, I didn't know what I was doing and tipped generously so as not to get dirty looks. I didn't know I was overtipping until my local amiga told me so.

I think it would be most useful if we added a customary tipping section to the "lists" so newbies know what they are doing first time and not turn this country into another CR!

[QUOTE=Vics Picks]If a BBBJ is administered then 10K works fine. On my last trip with one girl the BBBJ was also with CIM. That brought a smile to both of us after a 20K tip.

What I also like about tipping for a BBBJ is when you take the same girl again then you do not have to say a word as the BBBJ is given with gusto. I tip to benifit me. I learned this from my father many years ago. He would over tip the same waitress in our favorite resturant and we would get great service and always a free desert. Fellows life is short, why not make people happy and at the same time feel good about yourself.

The bottom line for me is tip if you like, but if you are my Wingman and do not put in your share then hit the road Jack.[/QUOTE]It's one thing to tip for service.. It's a totally different thing to tip for the sake of tipping (even for shitty service). That is what I detest. That is what people in the States do.. tip for good or bad service.. because it's expected. I would hate for this beautiful country to follow the same example.

[QUOTE=Ricker]Whatever amigo, you can't learn everything from reading a one page fact sheet and spending 3 days at the Mansion.

Enjoy Colombia and it's people, pay the going rate, treat people respectfully, tip approprietly (not rocket science) and don't be a total tacano schmuck.

It's just not that difficult.[/QUOTE]If you've never been to Colombia, how do you know what the "going rate" is? Are you going to find it by reading a fact sheet? Is the going rate what the mansion rate is? You should go to Mayorista and pay the mansion rate? If you've never been to Colombia, what the "appropriate tip" is? Like I said, it varies from country to country and takes experience..

It would be great to keep everyone informed so people don't overtip or undertip because there is no universal standard.

[QUOTE=Viajero]I will be relocating to Colombia from the USA very soon, and can't wait. My wife is Colombian from the cost and that's where she is intending in living and feels strongly about. I, on the other hand have something else in mind. I am planning on mongering on the side of course and dread the cost. First, Cartagena is expensive for my budget real estate, mongering wise, and the heat of course. Barranquilla is not attractive, and the heat is unbearable. As for my taste, I adore paisas and think that maybe where I will settle. However, my wife insists on living on the cost preferably Barranquilla.

I find my self to be fortunate to be able to stay in good health after some tough long years of hard work in the States, I finally called it quits and decided on living permanently in Colombia.

What you dear folks recommend to this poor fellow.[/QUOTE]If I were you I would live in MDE as the other places are to hot.

You said you worked long and hard so then you make the choice not her. Since you now will be living in Colombia, you are the new boss . In the USA the women have a lot to say. That is in the past for you.

Good luck and don't get caught.

[QUOTE=Hioctane]Phunluv,

I think you hit it on the head. Tipping customs vary from country to country. On my first trip, I didn't know what I was doing and tipped generously so as not to get dirty looks. I didn't know I was overtipping until my local amiga told me so.

I think it would be most useful if we added a customary tipping section to the "lists" so newbies know what they are doing first time and not turn this country into another CR![/QUOTE]Yes I also think this is an excellent idea, No one that is new to Colombia has all this information up front. We are almost programed to tip in North America.

I had a local amiga from the start, and I was very surprised by how small of a tip she thought was appropriate.

A customary tipping section would be a big help. I vote for Bango to put it together.

I have never asked nor cared about BB action. If a girl provides BBBJ I guess a tip would be appropriate in that circumstance.

I never tip WGs, I didn't do it in the US or any country and I wouldn't do it in Colombia. I negotiate a price for what I want how I want it and we are both satisfied. If a girl went above and beyond ordinary service I'd tip her. But it would have to be something really really special. The girls in those places typically charge 30 to 50 depending on what they think they can get. If you settle on a price with her it's because she'll be satisfied with that price.

Likewise if my taxi driver drives like even MORE of a maniac and gets me somewhere on time when I'm running late, or helps me lift heavy shit in and out of the taxi I'd give something extra. For normal service NEVER. I think the 1500 peso night surcharge is already fucking outrageous. Used to be 600 then 1000.

In my neighborhood corrientazos are from 3200 to 6000 pesos. There are lots of real good ones for 4000 and 4500. Hot dogs or burgers are 4k. A big mixed grilled at an asadero that feeds two people should be like 15-20k.

Restaurants with receipts usually add 10% to your bill. But those places are not exactly the norm outside of the rich areas.

As far as inviting, in any Latin country whoever invites pays. If the decision to go out is mutual both parties chip in. If a girl invites me out she ALWAYS pays.

[QUOTE=Vics Picks]If I were you I would live in MDE as the other places are to hot.

You said you worked long and hard so then you make the choice not her. Since you now will be living in Colombia, you are the new boss . In the USA the women have a lot to say. That is in the past for you.

Good luck and don't get caught.[/QUOTE]Thanks Vics, I really appreciate your comments. I think you are right on the money, I like Medellin too. As for my Costena wife, she has a temper and she likes to be in control, I don't know if her attitude will change in Colombia, I doubt it. She always plays the sexo card on me to get her way and she always win. Can't afford the gringas here with their shitty attitude and exorbitant prices.

Do you know by any chance how can I go about finding an apartment to rent in Medellin and what do you suggest the best way to go about it? Renting a hotel room first and check locally? Or go online and rent through a real estate agent? How do you compare the rent or real estate prices in general in Medellin v. S Barranquilla?

Thanks a lot, this is a very broad subject actually and any member can chip in.

[QUOTE=Dick Driven]Yes I also think this is an excellent idea.

A customary tipping section would be a big help.

I vote for Bango to put it together.[/QUOTE]That's funny.

Here's the Bango tipping guide:

Don't tip.

Well, we've got two general ideas on tipping the girls.

One:

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I never tip WGs, I didn't do it in the US or any country and I wouldn't do it in Colombia. I negotiate a price for what I want how I want it and we are both satisfied.[/QUOTE]Two:

[QUOTE=Vics Picks]I tip to benifit me. I learned this from my father many years ago. He would over tip the same waitress in our favorite resturant and we would get great service and always a free desert. Fellows life is short, why not make people happy and at the same time feel good about yourself.[/QUOTE]There's your tipping guide.

There are no rules or customs, it's just how you view things.

Personally, I'm into theory number 2.

Nothing over the top, but even a small tip for good service is appreciated.

It's just really not that difficult to figure out.

[QUOTE=Vics Picks]If I were you I would live in MDE as the other places are to hot.

You said you worked long and hard so then you make the choice not her. Since you now will be living in Colombia, you are the new boss . In the USA the women have a lot to say. That is in the past for you.

Good luck and don't get caught.[/QUOTE]Very well put!

Make YOUR decision and go for it. Looks like Medellin.

[QUOTE=Hioctane]If you've never been to Colombia, how do you know what the "going rate" is? Are you going to find it by reading a fact sheet? Is the going rate what the mansion rate is? You should go to Mayorista and pay the mansion rate? If you've never been to Colombia, what the "appropriate tip" is? Like I said, it varies from country to country and takes experience..

It would be great to keep everyone informed so people don't overtip or undertip because there is no universal standard.[/QUOTE]Why are we making tipping into rocket science?

Actually there is a universal standard.

If a girl treats you badly, without any enthusiasm, etc ... No tip.

If a girl takes good care of you and showed you some love ... a SMALL tip.

If a girl treats you with a nice GFE and enthusiasm ... a BIGGER tip if you like.

If you subscribe to the Bango Cheito tipping guide ... No tip.

Use your noodle as to what a small tip and a big tip are. Appropriate to the price of the session.

Everywhere I've been, and I've been to a lot of places, this works.

Good luck

[QUOTE=Viajero] ... As for my Costena wife, she has a temper and she likes to be in control, I don't know if her attitude will change in Colombia, I doubt it. She always plays the sexo card on me to get her way and she always win ...[/QUOTE]Looks like your Costena learned the 'American woman way' ehhh?

I'm glad for you that you're moving back to Colombia irregardless of the city you choose.

It'll make her using the 'sexo card' difficult since you can easily find it elsewhere.

Good luck

[QUOTE=Ricker]Looks like your Costena learned the 'American woman way' ehhh?

I'm glad for you that you're moving back to Colombia irregardless of the city you choose.

It'll make her using the 'sexo card' difficult since you can easily find it elsewhere.

Good luck[/QUOTE]lol yeah Ricker. I have scenarios here:

1- live on the cost and make her happy and get away from her whenever I want to go Medellin using various excuses.

2- Live in Medellin and just limit myself to day time casas.

What you and vics think?

I also ask a girl directly "are you good"? First she starts thinking, and then of course answers "yes".

Then I tell her if she is really good then she'll get a tip.

I also ask for some extras such as BBBJ, etc.. Some completely refuse even for a tip, then usually I do not give them any tip(or a small tip is ok if she was still good), since they had an opportunity to earn a big tip, but refused.

But if she agrees to what I ask for and if she is really good, did what promised(or sometimes even more), then I give her a very good tip, usually meaning I'm gonna come back to her,call her. Now she's very happy with her money and also she knows what she needs to do to make me happy too.

[QUOTE=Ricker]Why are we making tipping into rocket science?

Actually there is a universal standard.

If a girl treats you badly, without any enthusiasm, etc ... No tip.

If a girl takes good care of you and showed you some love ... a SMALL tip.

If a girl treats you with a nice GFE and enthusiasm ... a BIGGER tip if you like.

If you subscribe to the Bango Cheito tipping guide ... No tip.

Use your noodle as to what a small tip and a big tip are. Appropriate to the price of the session.

Everywhere I've been, and I've been to a lot of places, this works.

Good luck[/QUOTE]

I have to concur with Ricker, it ain't rocket science, guys.

I tip as I deem appropriate and worthy. For example, the taxi driver who jumps out and grabs all of my bags and then either carries them to the reception desk or to my apartment upon arrival gets a tip from me. When I'm just using a taxi to get somewhere without bags, I rarely tip. Those occassions when I do it's because he took a quick detour for me to run into a tienda or something and didn't say anything about upcharging me for his waiting on me, etc.

At the finer restuarants, they'll typically add a 10% voluntary propina to the bill, which is supposed to be shared among the various service providers, kitchen help, etc., but as we know, there's no way for us to know for certain that the owner or manager isn't pocketing it, so somtimes I have it removed from my bill and give the deserving waiter or waitress a 10% tip directly for top-notch service.

When I have one of the employees from Julia's in Laguito deliver my meal to me at my apartment, I typically tip them 2 mil, sometimes 3 mil. They really appreciate it and go out of their way to make sure everything is right and just to my liking.

At Riquissimo's in Laguito, some time last year they started adding the voluntary propina to the bill. I let the waiters know that if I paid that, it would cut into or eliminate the tip I usually leave them. I voiced my displeasure in the change, as I'm sure other regulars did as well, and lo and behold they changed back to not adding it to the bill. I typically tip the waiters there anywhere from 5 to 10% for attentive service.

I buy a prepaid card with cell phone minutes at a local tienda in Laguito and the print is a strain for me to make out, so I have the guy behind the counter do it for me each time. He scratches off the code number, dials the comcell number for adding minutes, keys in the code and then hands me back the cell phone displaying the amount of $ he just loaded. I tip the guy 1 mil pesos most every time, and on occassion 2 mil.

As to tipping WG's, well that generally never comes up, as I rarely ever discuss money, instead I just hand them or put in their purse what I feel is fair as they are getting ready to leave and they usually never count it. I've never been to a casa or mp, instead always preferring to bring an independent back to my apartment for a minimum of 2-3 hours, but more often than not, for a much longer amount of time than that. Given the chemistry, mutual attraction and trust that's been established over that period of time, the chica is happy to accept what I provide her and has already determined that I'm not the cheapskate type.

During the time we spend together it's pretty common that I've provided "all you can drink and eat" just like I would with any friend I have over to entertain at my home in the States. I rarely end-up with a chica who asks for something, be it money or otherwise. I try to screen out those types before ever making the invitation to come back to my apartment.

I know there are different strokes for different folks and I don't see a problem with that. Why not let people be themselves and enjoy what it is they like to do with their own time and money? Some guys like to do 30 minute or 60 minute sessions for a pre-agreed upon price and/or go to mp's and casas, nothing wrong with that in my book. If a guy then wants to give a WG more than the pre-set amount because he feels she's worthy, then by all means, it's his money and his decision.

I got tired long ago of the know-it-all mongers one can run into in Colombia who try to tell others (in an obnoxious and degrading way) what they should do and how they should spend their money (without ever being solicited for their advice or opinion). I much prefer to be given advice or one's opinion after first asking for it, and not in a way that comes across demeaning and degrading.

Some mongers I've met in Colombia are severly lacking when it comes to social skills and personality dynamics. I can only imagine how they come across to Colombianas. I guess they keep the hard-core type pros in business, so it's all good. More sweet, sincere, un-hardened reinas for the rest of us.

[QUOTE=Ricker]Why are we making tipping into rocket science?

Actually there is a universal standard.

If a girl treats you badly, without any enthusiasm, etc ... No tip.

If a girl takes good care of you and showed you some love ... a SMALL tip.

If a girl treats you with a nice GFE and enthusiasm ... a BIGGER tip if you like.

If you subscribe to the Bango Cheito tipping guide ... No tip.

Use your noodle as to what a small tip and a big tip are. Appropriate to the price of the session.

Everywhere I've been, and I've been to a lot of places, this works.

Good luck[/QUOTE]I'm not just talking about tipping the girls. I'm talking about tipping in general. Food. Taxi. Maids. Etc. This is not universal. In some countries you're not expected to tip.

Colombian guys give no tip to the girls at a casa or a club nocturno. Zero.

In my personal opinion, we should not tip either. However, each guy here does their own thing. There's no way to control it.

Foreigners in Colombia, especially Gringos, are doing things that screw up our collective reputation. We are viewed as "soft" by the Colombians. Tipping in situations where Colombians do not tip is one reason. Overtipping is another reason. There are plenty of other reasons.

Gringos are being too generous in Colombia, and the generosity is not appreciated. It is viewed as weakness on our part, and it is viewed as stupidity on our part. That is how we are viewed by the Colombians. Weak and stupid.

I am not trying to be confrontational with those who support tipping. I am simply making an observation that most Gringos do not understand and will never understand. Gringos need to stop thinking like Gringos and start thinking like Colombians.

[QUOTE=Viajero]lol yeah Ricker. I have scenarios here:

1- live on the cost and make her happy and get away from her whenever I want to go Medellin using various excuses.

2- Live in Medellin and just limit myself to day time casas.

What you and vics think?[/QUOTE]1. My guess would be after a few trips to MDE your wife will want to go with you. These women are very smart when it comes to this sort of thing. It also would get expensive to keep flying back and forth.

2. If you live in MDE it sounds like from your previous post that your wife would be unhappy. A unhappy wife is a bad thing.

What I would do if I were you would be to take her to MDE and show her the city and hope she like it. If that doesn't work then instead of living on the coast and flying back and forth to MDE I would just use the money you would of spent on airfares to find a few Pro's in BAQ or CTG and use them for your pleasure.

A lot of members on this board are single men and it is easy for us to say for you to choose MDE and the hell with what she wants. That would be fine if you either wanted a divorce or instead live with an unhappy wife.

I am happy to give you advice, but I think you have some very hard choices to make.

Good luck and again I say to you don't get caught.

[QUOTE=Client 9]. Colombian guys give no tip to the girls at a casa or a club nocturno. Zero.

. Weak and stupid.[/QUOTE]Well, though not exactly true, you will see the Colombianos give some change to the chicas dancing at the club nocturnos, and some amigas I have working at the casas tell me that the the more mature Colombianos that visit, not the young kids, do leave modest tips also, especially when they are regular customers.

I do agree that OVER-tipping is ridiculous and I will not lay a tip out to one of those piranas demanding a tip from me at a place like Face Dos, and I could care less what ugly face they show me.

Matter of fact, normally when a chica starts asking for a tip and always when she demands a tip, she gets nada. Zero.

No me gusta para nada esta mierda. I don't like that crap at all.

I may be a Gringo. But I'm not weak and stupid.

[QUOTE=Client 9]In my personal opinion, we should not tip either. However, each guy here does their own thing. There's no way to control it.[/QUOTE]Hmmm, though I respect your opinion, I disagree.

I"ll say again, and I emphasize, OVER-tipping as well as OVER-paying like a schmuck is dumb, stupid and can be looked at as weak, however, IMHO a small amount shows some kindess and says 'gracias'.

[QUOTE=Client 9]. Gringos are being too generous in Colombia, and the generosity is not appreciated. It is viewed as weakness on our part, and it is viewed as stupidity on our part. That is how we are viewed by the Colombians. Weak and stupid.[/QUOTE]I agree with you that the OVER-paying Gringo is not appreciated in the way the OVER-paying Gringo believes he is appreciated.

Of course the chicas will grab your money and then appreciate you for being a 'bobo' (a dummy).

This has nothing to do with giving out a small tip though, after the fact, to a chica that has treated you well.

I doubt that giving a chica 5000 pesos at a casa, for treating you well, is going to put you in the 'weak and stupid' group.

[QUOTE=Client 9]. Gringos need to stop thinking like Gringos and start thinking like Colombians.[/QUOTE]Yep, we need to start slapping these chicas around a bit, treating them like crap, impregnating them and running away, robbing them, etc, etc. Let's get on it boys!

Obviously I'm joking.

Generally speaking, and I'm not talking at all about the 'ugly Gringo' we've all seen flashing money with big mouths, but the normal gringo, is thought of as kind hearted and good to women.

That ummmmm, is actually a good thing.

UNFORTUNATELY. There's always going to be the guys flashing money, OVER-paying, loud-mouth, know it alls, that speak 5 words of bad spanish.

Those that have visited Colombia for a while, have seen the influx of this type and unfortunately the bad apples can give us all a bad rep. Ie. Being dumb, weak and stupid.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=Client 9]Colombian guys give no tip to the girls at a casa or a club nocturno. Zero.[/QUOTE]Maybe the Colombians I see are of a different breed, but your generalisation is like stating that Colombians can not drive. I don't know about the casas because the possible tipping will take place in the room, but in stripclubs the Colombians do tip the dancers in plain sight.

[QUOTE=Ricker]I"ll say again, and I emphasize, OVER-tipping as well as OVER-paying like a schmuck is dumb, stupid and can be looked at as weak, however, IMHO a small amount shows some kindess and says 'gracias'.[/QUOTE]When a girl says 'give me a tip' during or after bad / poor / indifferent service, I try to laugh (best I can) and say, 'give me a BJ'. You know and she knows she's only trying to get over, why not try to share an inside laugh about it -- break the ice. Outside the arena of commerce, the girl might be a perfectly generous human being. After all, she's making a sacrifice to better her economic situation, put food on the family table, or support her child. If I think that's the case, I'll tip -- appropriately. If she's a mercenary sex-for-bling queen, nada propina. But, when selecting that type, it is solely because of the (perfect) body, and the expectation is different.

[QUOTE=Vics Picks]1. My guess would be after a few trips to MDE your wife will want to go with you. These women are very smart when it comes to this sort of thing. It also would get expensive to keep flying back and forth.

2. If you live in MDE it sounds like from your previous post that your wife would be unhappy. A unhappy wife is a bad thing.

What I would do if I were you would be to take her to MDE and show her the city and hope she like it. If that doesn't work then instead of living on the coast and flying back and forth to MDE I would just use the money you would of spent on airfares to find a few Pro's in BAQ or CTG and use them for your pleasure.

A lot of members on this board are single men and it is easy for us to say for you to choose MDE and the hell with what she wants. That would be fine if you either wanted a divorce or instead live with an unhappy wife.

I am happy to give you advice, but I think you have some very hard choices to make.

Good luck and again I say to you don't get caught.[/QUOTE]Yeah you are right Vics, I've got a hard choice to make. Although there are many single men as mongers, you will be surprised on how many married ones also.

Is there a VAT in Cartagena, I seem to remember seeing this on some reciepts when I was there, or maybe this was an added gratuity. if anyone could clear this up I wouls appreciate it. Thanks guys.

If you have an independent, that's the appropriate thing to do. Anything goes in that situation.

Viajero personally the Atlantic coast is the LAST part of Colombia I'd EVER want to live in. I would be totally miserable living there. Too hot, no culture, terrible infrastructure. I would insist on BOG or MDE for living in Colombia or bust! Fuck your wife being unhappy, YOU are going to be unhappy on the coast.

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]If you have an independent, that's the appropriate thing to do. Anything goes in that situation.

Viajero personally the Atlantic coast is the LAST part of Colombia I'd EVER want to live in. I would be totally miserable living there. Too hot, no culture, terrible infrastructure. I would insist on BOG or MDE for living in Colombia or bust! Fuck your wife being unhappy, YOU are going to be unhappy on the coast.[/QUOTE]No culture?

Wow. Stunning.

[QUOTE=Delta Pilot1]You post beneficial information most of the time ...
... Do not come on here and post like you are someone who gives only a one or two thousand peso tip for services, or pay whatever you like to girls, as you support the girls big time with your generousity, and they tell you upfront what they need. You can continue to think your name is Rico Suave, as the girls obviously love you, since you are not only a great tipper, but a sugar daddy to the putas. A sugar daddy who does not even have good conversational spanish ability. LOL[/QUOTE]Geez. Lighten up Delta, WTF over!

This guy Hilltopper always post good info and is a good dude.

If you've got some petty jealousy, 'cause your post sure shows it, I reccommend you running to the nearest cat house and getting a little chochota medicine to relax you a bit.

Really no need to try and trash guys like that, only makes YOU seem like a goober not him.

Peace baby! Y porque no?

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]If you have an independent, that's the appropriate thing to do. Anything goes in that situation.

Viajero personally the Atlantic coast is the LAST part of Colombia I'd EVER want to live in. I would be totally miserable living there. Too hot, no culture, terrible infrastructure. I would insist on BOG or MDE for living in Colombia or bust! Fuck your wife being unhappy, YOU are going to be unhappy on the coast.[/QUOTE]LOL, I love Bango Cheito.

Do I need to purchase and use a voltage converter if I want to use my laptop computer, which is for the voltage/frequency in the U.S., in Colombia?

After reading his latest postings I think his nickname should be Bang(o) Cheap(o). ROFLOL!

[QUOTE=Ricker]Geez. Lighten up Delta, WTF over!

This guy Hilltopper always post good info and is a good dude.

If you've got some petty jealousy, 'cause your post sure shows it, I reccommend you running to the nearest cat house and getting a little chochota medicine to relax you a bit.

Really no need to try and trash guys like that, only makes YOU seem like a goober not him.

Peace baby! Y porque no?[/QUOTE]Allow me to use this opportunity to put the word out to all that read the Colomibia thread.

Don't bring it here. You'll be called on it by some real people.

Got it?

And I mean that with all respect. (yeah right :)

Schwmm

[QUOTE=Ricker]Geez. Lighten up Delta, WTF over!

This guy Hilltopper always post good info and is a good dude.

If you've got some petty jealousy, 'cause your post sure shows it, I reccommend you running to the nearest cat house and getting a little chochota medicine to relax you a bit.

Really no need to try and trash guys like that, only makes YOU seem like a goober not him.

Peace baby! Y porque no?[/QUOTE]Ricker:

Allow me to use this opportunity to put the word out to all that read the Colomibia thread.

Don't bring it here. You'll be called on it by some real people.

Got it?

And I mean that with all respect. (yeah right :)

Schwmm

[QUOTE=Delta Pilot1]Hey Ricker,

Are you a lover of his? Sounds like it. [/QUOTE]You got it Delta, we're lovers, you're a genious!!

[QUOTE=Delta Pilot1]... Jealousy, do not have a ounce of it in my body, but it might be a problem of yours. Now go on and do what you do best, and post about how great you are, how long you have been visiting Colombia, and how you are the Rico Suave of Colombia and Brazil.

... It has no bearing on me what so ever, other than the fact it is sad, someone has to continually brag about themselves on an internet forum.[/QUOTE]Sure glad we have you to point out everyones's deficiencies.

Wonder what's more sad, me bragging about my adventures and how cool I might think I am, or you and your put downs and jealousy.

Boy, that's a tough one.

[QUOTE=Matt Psyche]Do I need to purchase and use a voltage converter if I want to use my laptop computer, which is for the voltage/frequency in the U.S., in Colombia?[/QUOTE]All the laptops and cell phone chargers have dual voltages 110 ând 220V.
so no need for transformers anywhere in the world, only plug adapters. But in Colombia it is the same as in USA - you do not need to buy anything extra for Colombia.

[QUOTE=Matt Psyche]Do I need to purchase and use a voltage converter if I want to use my laptop computer, which is for the voltage/frequency in the U.S., in Colombia?[/QUOTE]Look it up.

Is there a beach worth visiting in Colombia?

I mean a real nice, Caribbean style beach.

Thanks,

EQ

Gentelmen. I'm planning on a "first" time trip to Colombia. I'm an old time whorist, monger, "Puto Velho" etc. I've lived in Thailand about 10+ years then discovered Brazil. I 've been out of the loop due to a 4 yr. Relationship with a Brasilera. That didn't work out cause I refused to buy a house there. I been to Cambodia, Panama, Costa Rica, Nicaragua. My Spanish is poor but, I'm working on that now. So guys help me out. Medellin or Cali for the "old newbie"?

[QUOTE=Matt Psyche]Do I need to purchase and use a voltage converter if I want to use my laptop computer, which is for the voltage/frequency in the USA, in Colombia?[/QUOTE]Many countries outside the US use 220 volts, but Colombia, like the US, uses 110 volts. So you don't need a voltage converter. In any event, if you look closely at the converters (chargers) that you already have for your laptop and cell phone, you will see that they accept input of 100 to 240 volts. In other words, you already have the converters that you need for any country. You may need a simple adaptor, depending on the configuration of the wall socket in your hotel. I always carry a three prong (grounded) to two prong (non grounded) adapter with me. That's a 50 cent item at your local hardware store. And I would suggest a short extension cord.

[QUOTE=Delta Pilot1]Hey Ricker,

Got word you work for American Airlines, so that explains some things. ;) I am out of Atlanta as you might expect. In response to your post below, you much have a comprehension problem, as I stated I do not have a jealous bone in my body. I just do not like braggers like yourself, or posters such as Hilltopper being a hypocrite when it comes to tipping. I had my say, so now it is time to move on.[/QUOTE]Heya Delta,

I´ve been posting on this board for a while and have seen antagonists come and go. Figured you were just another one.

Obviously I don´t know you or Hilltopper in person and I should have stayed out of it like I normally do.

As far as me being a "bragger", I re-read some of my later posts and I can see how that comes across.

Like I said, I´ve been posting here for a while.

At first, years back, I used this forum to gain info about places because I was new and green.

Later on, as I got smarter and better at all this SA fun, I became a poster of good info.

Maybe lately I´ve evolved to not posting much info really and just boasting tales of my adventures, hence the bragging.

In reality I´m not like that at all, matter of fact I don´t really like that type either.
If you´re thinking that about me, I´m sure others are thinking the same.

Think I´ll just enjoy myself in my travels, like yourself I´m sure, and I´ll keep my boasting to myself.

Safe travels .... Ricker, also moving on

[QUOTE=Edward Q]Is there a beach worth visiting in Colombia?

I mean a real nice, Caribbean style beach.

Thanks,

EQ[/QUOTE]A short way from Santa Marta is a beautiful natural park with very nice beaches with clear water.

RomanceLatina is a great site to meet Colombian women. Here's the link

[url]http://www.romancelatina.com[/url]

Hope you guys enjoy it

Amen Brother

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I'm replying to a topic being discussed in the Medellin thread right now.

If a girl accepts 5k or some other ridiculously low amount to have sex with you. TAKE IT! It's HER problem if she's undercharging NOT yours.

Don't pay more than 50k to have sex with a girl in Colombia unless the girl is AMAZING, unless it's outcall, unless it's LT, or there's a massage included or other special circumstances. Standard prices in Bogota are 30-50k and that's in Bogota.

A maid gets 25k a day here. If your place is filthy and huge give your maid 30k. NO MORE.

DO NOT TIP PEOPLE HERE! That includes the wg's your maids and ESPECIALLY taxi drivers. Stop fucking with shit you have no clue about.

Some of your attitudes frankly make me want to vomit. If I find people in MY town going out of their way to kill the local market I will PERSONALLY make it my mission to make every last WG in town think you have incurable gonorrea or hepatitis or something. Or I may resort to even worse measures. WTF is wrong with you guys with this stupid fucked up gringo mentality. Play by the LOCAL rules while you are here or you are not welcome!

I stopped contributing a long time ago to this section precisely because of stupid shit like this. Pearls before swine.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Menteng]Maybe the Colombians I see are of a different breed, but your generalisation is like stating that Colombians can not drive. I don't know about the casas because the possible tipping will take place in the room, but in stripclubs the Colombians do tip the dancers in plain sight.[/QUOTE]I wasn't referring to dancers. Yes, some Colombian guys tip the dancers. But the Colombain guys do not tip the girls in the room after sex.

Colombians do not tip in many situations that Americans do tip. This is one of those situations. There are plenty of other situations.

As just one example, Colombian guys do not tip after getting a haircut.

As another example, Colombian guys do not tip taxi drivers (unless baggage is involved).

There are countless other examples.

[QUOTE=Ricker]Heya Delta,

I´ve been posting on this board for a while and have seen antagonists come and go. Figured you were just another one.

Obviously I don´t know you or Hilltopper in person and I should have stayed out of it like I normally do.

As far as me being a "bragger", I re-read some of my later posts and I can see how that comes across.

Like I said, I´ve been posting here for a while.

At first, years back, I used this forum to gain info about places because I was new and green.

Later on, as I got smarter and better at all this SA fun, I became a poster of good info.

Maybe lately I´ve evolved to not posting much info really and just boasting tales of my adventures, hence the bragging.

In reality I´m not like that at all, matter of fact I don´t really like that type either.
If you´re thinking that about me, I´m sure others are thinking the same.

Think I´ll just enjoy myself in my travels, like yourself I´m sure, and I´ll keep my boasting to myself.

Safe travels .... Ricker, also moving on[/QUOTE]Ricker:

I sense your mood and understand. We all feel like we stepped over our own guidelines from time to time.

I'd say take a break but don't quit contributing completely. Your expertise is needed and valued.

Like that time we outed that women beater on the Brasil board.

Can't help but think that may have been a van der sloot type.

All the best and keep having fun. I know you will.

Schwmm

[QUOTE=Ricker]Heya Delta,

I´ve been posting on this board for a while and have seen antagonists come and go. Figured you were just another one.

Obviously I don´t know you or Hilltopper in person and I should have stayed out of it like I normally do.

As far as me being a "bragger", I re-read some of my later posts and I can see how that comes across.

Like I said, I´ve been posting here for a while.

At first, years back, I used this forum to gain info about places because I was new and green.

Later on, as I got smarter and better at all this SA fun, I became a poster of good info.

Maybe lately I´ve evolved to not posting much info really and just boasting tales of my adventures, hence the bragging.

In reality I´m not like that at all, matter of fact I don´t really like that type either.
If you´re thinking that about me, I´m sure others are thinking the same.

Think I´ll just enjoy myself in my travels, like yourself I´m sure, and I´ll keep my boasting to myself.

Safe travels .... Ricker, also moving on[/QUOTE]Mr. R,

The boys on this board can be tough at times. I know I have gotten slamed a few times myself.

Anyway take heart and don't disapere as others have done in the past.

Funny you have said that you should of stayed out of it. Everytime that voice tells me similar thoughts and I don't listen then I always later on wish I did.

Take care Amigo

[QUOTE=Client 9]I wasn't referring to dancers. Yes, some Colombian guys tip the dancers. But the Colombain guys do not tip the girls in the room after sex.

Colombians do not tip in many situations that Americans do tip. This is one of those situations. There are plenty of other situations.

As just one example, Colombian guys do not tip after getting a haircut.

As another example, Colombian guys do not tip taxi drivers (unless baggage is involved).

There are countless other examples.[/QUOTE]You can also ad, Colombians do not tip when buying a ticket to enter a cinema or Colombians do not tip when they buy a ticket in the bus etc, etc. But like I wrote, the Colombians I know, must be of a different breed. They tip when paying the bill in one of the bars/fondas at La 30/33 or the fondas in Envigado; they tip when paying the bill at steakhouses like San Carbon. They even tip when paying in our small neighbourhood bar. But maybe because they don't live in the estratos 1, 2 or 3. They can afford it, like the mongerers who pay hundreds of dollars to get here or being an expat in Colombia with a huge salary and not turn miserable after enjoying good service, a good meal, a good night-out etc, etc.

Bottom line, tipping is something personal, but don't use false excuses for not doing it. My final words on tipping in Colombia.

[QUOTE=Reefski]I used to be a member but I never followed up when I've been in Colombia. Too many chicas, too little time. I'd be all over it if I lived there full time.

I still check it out occasionally. Seems like quite a few girls have posted videos which looked suspiciously like room 7 of the Mansion. I'll let you make the call.

Reef

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnmwAjt7Mcc[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xth5Ve0kljU[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1TQjfexkqc[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjR9tIBIK8c[/url][/QUOTE]Your point is? There are tons of Mansion girls on Romance Latina.

[QUOTE=Menteng]You can also ad, Colombians do not tip when buying a ticket to enter a cinema or Colombians do not tip when they buy a ticket in the bus etc, etc. But like I wrote, the Colombians I know, must be of a different breed. They tip when paying the bill in one of the bars/fondas at La 30/33 or the fondas in Envigado; they tip when paying the bill at steakhouses like San Carbon. They even tip when paying in our small neighbourhood bar. But maybe because they don't live in the estratos 1, 2 or 3. They can afford it, like the mongerers who pay hundreds of dollars to get here or being an expat in Colombia with a huge salary and not turn miserable after enjoying good service, a good meal, a good night-out etc, etc.

Bottom line, tipping is something personal, but don't use false excuses for not doing it. My final words on tipping in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Your reading comprehension is a little weak. I didn't say Colombians never tip. I never said that.

However, I did say that Colombians do not tip in many situations that Americans do tip. That is what I said. Unfortunately, you are unable or unwilling to grasp the difference.

Ability to tip is irrelevant. I am staying in El Poblado right around the corner from the San Carbon in Las Palmas. I leave a 10% tip every time I go to San Carbon. Why? Because that is what the Colombians tip. However, I tip 20% in American restaurants.

I used to tip in a casa or a club nocturno until I discovered the Colombians do not tip. So I stopped tipping. Again, ability to tip is irrelevant.

Any generic Cialis (tadalafil) in Medellin?

[QUOTE=Client 9]Your reading comprehension is a little weak. I didn't say Colombians never tip. I never said that.

However, I did say that Colombians do not tip in many situations that Americans do tip. That is what I said. Unfortunately, you are unable or unwilling to grasp the difference.

Ability to tip is irrelevant. I am staying in El Poblado right around the corner from the San Carbon in Las Palmas. I leave a 10% tip every time I go to San Carbon. Why? Because that is what the Colombians tip. However, I tip 20% in American restaurants.

I used to tip in a casa or a club nocturno until I discovered the Colombians do not tip. So I stopped tipping. Again, ability to tip is irrelevant.[/QUOTE]I agree! It's why I believe there should be a tipping guide for every country. There are no general rules for tipping that applies everywhere. It's a cultural thing that varies from country to country. The more we know the culture the better off we are. Do you know what it looks like when you overtip or tip where you shouldn't? I mean sure the staff love it. But the locals are thinking "a rich American gringo asshole. Thinks he better than us. Looks down upon us. " Like client9 says. The ability to and what you tip back home is irrelevant. Learn the culture and stop being so ignorant!

[QUOTE=Matt Psyche]Any generic Cialis (tadalafil) in Medellin?[/QUOTE]I have tried to find it in many places with no luck.

Go on line and you will find many outlets that sell it for around 4 bucks for a 20MG pill. That is shipping included.

[QUOTE=Hioctane] Like client9 says. The ability to and what you tip back home is irrelevant. Learn the culture and stop being so ignorant![/QUOTE]Ok, I thought I've made my point clear, also to Client9. It is the generalisation that I hate. Because some Colombians do not tip, you grab that as an excuse not to tip. Why not follow the Colombians that DO tip if you need an example on how to behave in this country and stop being ignorant? Or maybe it is easier and cheaper to hide behind that lame excuse that not all Colombians tip.

BTW Client9, it was you who started mentioning a hairdresser. Maybe in El Poblado there are casas and clubs nocturnos providing that service then I'll apologize, but down here in Belen you can't find them. And if you doubt my ability of reading, I believe this topic started about tipping in common.

[QUOTE=Reefski]No point. Just thought is was amusing but YMMV. A few weeks back on one of the Colombia threads there was some discussion on what percentage of Romancelatina chicks were pro's versus regular girls. Maye you should Wikipedia that for us?

Reef[/QUOTE]A high percentage are.

Some chicas were telling me that the owners take their pictures and post a fake profile up.

[QUOTE=Menteng]Ok, I thought I've made my point clear, also to Client9. It is the generalisation that I hate. Because some Colombians do not tip, you grab that as an excuse not to tip. Why not follow the Colombians that DO tip if you need an example on how to behave in this country and stop being ignorant? Or maybe it is easier and cheaper to hide behind that lame excuse that not all Colombians tip.

BTW Client9, it was you who started mentioning a hairdresser. Maybe in El Poblado there are casas and clubs nocturnos providing that service then I'll apologize, but down here in Belen you can't find them. And if you doubt my ability of reading, I believe this topic started about tipping in common.[/QUOTE]To make it clear, my message is: Do not tip if you don't feel like it, but don't use lame excuses like Colombians do not tip. Be yourself and act independent because we're all grown ups.

Or aren't we?

[QUOTE=Schwmmr]Ricker:

I sense your mood and understand. We all feel like we stepped over our own guidelines from time to time.

I'd say take a break but don't quit contributing completely. Your expertise is needed and valued.

All the best and keep having fun. I know you will.

Schwmm[/QUOTE]Thanks amigo, I'm not retiring just yet, just changing my tact a bit.

Less boasting and more opinion / info.

I enjoy the ISG forum and will continue posting info and ideas.

Matter of fact I just arrived in Medellin on kind of a spur of the moment side trip.

I'm in the mood for exploring, I'll see what comes up.

Take care.

[QUOTE=Vics Picks]Funny you have said that you should of stayed out of it. Everytime that voice tells me similar thoughts and I don't listen then I always later on wish I did.

Take care Amigo.[/QUOTE]I agree, normally when I don't follow that little voice, I regret it later.

Incidentally, I was on the Mayorista last night checking out the scene and I see they've added some outdoor seating and tables at some of the little restaurants and bars.

The chica scene was a bit slow, I'd say 90 percent below the 6-7 level and just a couple cute ones, no real hotties.

Tomorrow out to el Centro for chicas and some shopping.

Hope your travels are going well, take care amigo.

[QUOTE=Menteng]To make it clear, my message is: Do not tip if you don't feel like it, but don't use lame excuses like Colombians do not tip. Be yourself and act independent because we're all grown ups.

Or aren't we?[/QUOTE]The Colombians that DO tip like that are typically brand-new money thug and gangster types who never had money before and have no idea what to do with it... they are SEVERELY looked down upon by the rest of Colombian society... by doing the same as them you put yourself in the same boat as them in the eyes of people here.

If you want to be a fucking Robin Hood down here, go help out in a soup kitchen or something, do NOT give money to the people who ALREADY have it, namely WGs and taxi drivers!

If I had money, I don't think I'd be a working girl or a taxi driver.

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]The Colombians that DO tip like that are typically brand-new money thug and gangster types who never had money before and have no idea what to do with it... [/QUOTE]OMFG! Again a stupid generalisation or should I write short-sighted judgement. Incredible!

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]....... do NOT give money to the people who ALREADY have it, namely WGs and taxi drivers![/QUOTE]You might be right. In the weekends I see them leaving for their finca's in their Toyota's HiLux and when they go to the dicoteques they have their driver drive the Audi or BMW. I wonder where they get the money to do those kind of things. Maybe thanks to the tips they received? Makes me want to be a taxidriver and maybe I can persuade my novia to leave her job at the bank. And of course I'll consider to stop tipping then. That will save me a huge amount.

Any good seafood reastaurants or restaurants serving good fish close to casas in El Centro?

Gracias

This tipping thread has me somewhat mystified. In the first place, have you ever taken a taxi in New York? So here in Medellin they charge you say 10k to get from el centro to La Loma de Alejandria, $5, and say you have the crazy idea to tip the guy 1k, or go crazy 2k. 2k is one dollar. What the fuck are you guys talking about?

[QUOTE=Menteng]You might be right. In the weekends I see them leaving for their finca's in their Toyota's HiLux and when they go to the dicoteques they have their driver drive the Audi or BMW. I wonder where they get the money to do those kind of things. Maybe thanks to the tips they received? Makes me want to be a taxidriver and maybe I can persuade my novia to leave her job at the bank. And of course I'll consider to stop tipping then. That will save me a huge amount.[/QUOTE]If your novia were a taxi driver she WOULD have more money than working at the bank, unless she's management. There's like a 3 year waiting list for a Bogota taxi medallion for a reason!

Anyways, thanks for speaking up. I can see clearly that the best information will still have to be kept off this board, because of attitudes like yours. Have a precious day!

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Have a precious day![/QUOTE]How can I? I'm no taxidriver. But thanks anyway for making me laugh with your brilliant remarks and generalisations. I owe you a gaseosa from the supermarket for that.

[quote=chesrep001]this tipping thread has me somewhat mystified. in the first place, have you ever taken a taxi in new york? so here in medellin they charge you say 10k to get from el centro to la loma de alejandria, $5, and say you have the crazy idea to tip the guy 1k, or go crazy 2k. 2k is one dollar. what the fuck are you guys talking about?[/quote]because. maybe this isn't ny? if you look at japan, tipping is considered rude. we should all tip what is customary and not assume everyplace we go to is "the west" and that we should act like "the west". tip like "the west". do everything like "the west". learn some customs! from what i understand, the taxi tipping custom in colombia (medellin at least) is to round up or down to the nearest 1k. again, this is not about how much. but about the customary norms.

[QUOTE=Hioctane]Because. Maybe this isn't NY? If you look at Japan, tipping is considered rude. We should all tip what is customary and not assume everyplace we go to is "the west" and that we should act like "the west". Tip like "the west". Do everything like "the west". Learn some customs! From what I understand, the taxi tipping custom in Colombia (Medellin at least) is to round up or down to the nearest 1k. Again, this is not about how much. But about the customary norms.[/QUOTE][url]http://www.gonomad.com/traveldesk/0806/tipping.html[/url]

You can get information about that in travel guides and at the airports of your destination. Or ask the first local people you meet. No big deal!

[QUOTE=Menteng][url]http://www.gonomad.com/traveldesk/0806/tipping.html[/url]

You can get information about that in travel guides and at the airports of your destination. Or ask the first local people you meet. No big deal![/QUOTE]That guide is pretty inaccurate. I was born and raised in Canada and lived 11 years in the US. Americans on average tip quite a bit more than Canucks do.

Any local in Bogota will tell you. Do NOT tip taxistas. Unless there are some unusual circumstances or if they help you lift a lot of heavy bags. Also have exact change handy for them because you don't want change from a taxi driver, there's a good chance it will be counterfeit, even the COINS! Taxi drivers here in Bogota in 2010 are looked upon like tax collectors back in biblical times. And for all the same reasons.

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]That guide is pretty inaccurate. I was born and raised in Canada and lived 11 years in the US. Americans on average tip quite a bit more than Canucks do.

Any local in Bogota will tell you. Do NOT tip taxistas. Unless there are some unusual circumstances or if they help you lift a lot of heavy bags. Also have exact change handy for them because you don't want change from a taxi driver, there's a good chance it will be counterfeit, even the COINS! Taxi drivers here in Bogota in 2010 are looked upon like tax collectors back in biblical times. And for all the same reasons.[/QUOTE]You might be right, because I haven't been to all those countries. Anyway it is something, I think, Hioctane was pleading for. And like I stated before, tipping or not is strictly personal in most of the countries and that guide reflects that.

BTW, let's stop about tipping in Colombia. If you mention that in some unusual circumstances people do tip, that means, that your statement that "locals do not tip in Colombia" is at least arguable. Because people coming to Colombia for the first time will not consider tipping even in those circumstances and thanks to you they will be frowned on.

For some time I have been using a florest in Estadio to send flowers to Ex and daughter in Medellin. I usually make the orders on the internet and the flowers come out spectacular.

This time I since I am here I walked into the pace and made the order in person. They erred, sent the flowers two days early and incomplete.

I spoke with Catalina about two days after they were supposed to be delived and she truely apologized (as opposed to the usual Colombian ¨Que pena¨, I hate that ¨Que pena¨). The following day she sent and spectacual arrangement with fruit as was ordered and also went with the delivery person to deliver it in person, no added charge. A Colombian business trying to make it right.

Catalina is great and the arrangements and better than you will see in US for much cheaper. If you want a trustworthy quality florest in Medellin I do recommend this place, Tienda Floristería Estadio = [url]www.Floristeriaestadio.com[/url].

Mike

Ask a local or just observe as the locals do. If you see them tip you tip if not when in Roma.

In the 90's I was in the UK drinking at a pub. After buying a round of pints I left a pound on the bar. The tender looked at me like an idiot and told me not to leave tips as this is not the way in the UK.

Your TIP is very much wanted but not accepted with a gracious thank you instead it is like feeding a stray, they expect it everytime they see you. The guy who works the tourist in the streets near Hotel Nutibara asked me once for Perico and then the next day as well, I have not yet seen him drink coffee. By the third day I started telling him, no. I asked him when he was going to offer me coffee.

[QUOTE=Menteng]You might be right, because I haven't been to all those countries. Anyway it is something, I think, Hioctane was pleading for. And like I stated before, tipping or not is strictly personal in most of the countries and that guide reflects that.

BTW, let's stop about tipping in Colombia. If you mention that in some unusual circumstances people do tip, that means, that your statement that "locals do not tip in Colombia" is at least arguable. Because people coming to Colombia for the first time will not consider tipping even in those circumstances and thanks to you they will be frowned on.[/QUOTE]

So, I got a 24hr layover at MDE airport in couple of days. Anyone got any idea on some action. My driver out of El pablado said it might be a difficult to get a chica out the the airport for a couple of hrs. So, if anyone has any connections.

Please Share.

BBL

Hello everyone,

I will be in Medellin in about a month with at least 2 other friends and we are in need an apt.

I want to thank all in advance.

Hello to All,

I am a brand new newbie (BNN?) traveling to Medellin and Bogota by myself.
I am also interested in any side trips to other towns or countryside destinations.

I am exploring the possibility of sharing expenses on a luxury apartment in Medellin and/or Bogota.

I will arrive on Aug. 11th and depart on Aug. 28th.

Also interested in any "mentor" willing to show me the ropes. I am a professional magician, specializing in Close-Up magic. Translation: I can gather the chicas around me very quickly when I show them the "magic hands at work."

Thank you in advance for any advice.

[QUOTE=Reefski]Most magic I've seen in MDE is I pull out a $100 bill and the chicas make it disappear.

Reef.[/QUOTE]LOL, that is a good one Reef, and how true.

[QUOTE=Robby Burns]Hello to All,

I am a brand new newbie (BNN?) traveling to Medellin and Bogota by myself.
I am also interested in any side trips to other towns or countryside destinations.

I am exploring the possibility of sharing expenses on a luxury apartment in Medellin and/or Bogota.

I will arrive on Aug. 11th and depart on Aug. 28th.

Also interested in any "mentor" willing to show me the ropes. I am a professional magician, specializing in Close-Up magic. Translation: I can gather the chicas around me very quickly when I show them the "magic hands at work."

Thank you in advance for any advice.[/QUOTE]LOL you remind me of the great master pickup artist "mystery method" I don't care what anyone says women love to be entertained!. I'll be there on the 26th of August for a short jaunt. (my 9th one) if your around still PM me. Maybe we'll set a trip in the future! I'd love to learn how to dazzle the babes myself!

I would to know if there any all inclusives vactions with escorts in Colombia.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Dog Face]I would to know if there any all inclusives vactions with escorts in Colombia.

Thanks[/QUOTE]No there aren't.

And. How much should I expect to pay?

I will begin in Medellin. Then on to Bogota. Then maybe into the countryside.

[QUOTE=Robby Burns]And. How much should I expect to pay?

I will begin in Medellin. Then on to Bogota. Then maybe into the countryside.[/QUOTE]Buy an unlocked one off ebay for around $30 and bring it with you.

[QUOTE=Robby Burns]And. How much should I expect to pay?

I will begin in Medellin. Then on to Bogota. Then maybe into the countryside.[/QUOTE]You can buy a cell phone anywhere in Colombia for about 20 bucks and then buy phone cards as needed. Don't put more minutes on the phone than you will need because they expire and when you return they will be gone. Some carriers may have a 60 day window I'm not sure.

Flying from Medellin to Santa Marta with a girlfriend. I need hotel recommendations or apartments for rent. Anyone have a suggestion.

Newbie. Asking more questions again! Thanks to those who have replied to previous questions.

1- I need a little bit of bonding (veneer) on one of my teeth. My USA dentist wants $400 for the work. Not covered by my insurance ("cosmetic" improvements).

I have heard that there are good, inexpensive dentists in MDE. Any suggestions?

2- Ditto for my dress shoes. New heels and soles. $55. Ouch! Has anyone ever had shoes repaired in MDE?

One problem may be my shoe size. Size 14 1/2. Are there any Colombians with shoes that big? Will the repair shop have the right size soles?

Q- "You know what they say about guys with big shoes, don't you? "

A- "We have big feet. And we step in more dog shit! "

3- I have heard that the chicas like Betty Boop stuff. I'm thinking about buying several t-shirts at a Florida flea market. Any comments?

4- Chocolates. I know the chicas like chocolates. Should I buy them in MDE or in the USA? Which would cost less? Less hassle to buy it in MDE, but I have read about guys who bring it in from the USA Why?

Will arrive August 11th. Send me a PM if you want to get in on my "secret" Betty Boop stash.

Also, I am still looking for someone to spend $50 per night to share a beautiful 2-bdrm apartment across from Park Lleras.

Thanks

Anyone been out to the Zonas de Tolerancias in the smaller towns. Basically , do they exist in smaller towns. Example: Tunja Santander , Yopal Santander or like Montenegro?

[QUOTE=Robby Burns]Newbie. Asking more questions again! Thanks to those who have replied to previous questions.

1- I need a little bit of bonding (veneer) on one of my teeth. My USA dentist wants $400 for the work. Not covered by my insurance ("cosmetic" improvements).

I have heard that there are good, inexpensive dentists in MDE. Any suggestions?

2- Ditto for my dress shoes. New heels and soles. $55. Ouch! Has anyone ever had shoes repaired in MDE?

One problem may be my shoe size. Size 14 1/2. Are there any Colombians with shoes that big? Will the repair shop have the right size soles?

Q- "You know what they say about guys with big shoes, don't you? "

A- "We have big feet. And we step in more dog shit! "

3- I have heard that the chicas like Betty Boop stuff. I'm thinking about buying several t-shirts at a Florida flea market. Any comments?

4- Chocolates. I know the chicas like chocolates. Should I buy them in MDE or in the USA? Which would cost less? Less hassle to buy it in MDE, but I have read about guys who bring it in from the USA Why?

Will arrive August 11th. Send me a PM if you want to get in on my "secret" Betty Boop stash.

Also, I am still looking for someone to spend $50 per night to share a beautiful 2-bdrm apartment across from Park Lleras.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Dude,

If you have your PM on(Pay Jackson his Loot!) PM me. For the Dentist's email and phone number, I can't post it here.

1)Yep the dentist I used was AWESOME, clean and very professional, Hes assistant Jenni has the MOST AMAZING brown eyes, they shine like new copper pennies.

I got my two wisdom teeth pulled, two or three cavities drilled and filled with another 3 old fillings replaced with that new clean stuff. I think all this ran me like. $500? It could have been less but I'd hate to give you some crazy low number then you'd get all "Sticker Shocked"

2) Shoes. Sorry I don't buy shoes that cost so much that you replace vs buy new ones. I'm sure if you ask a cab driver they can take you to a spot. That and I find that Colombia's are a bit shorter in general from the average of America

3)Yep Betty Boop and IMO Perfume! Colombian Chicks love perfume(I guess all girls do?) I'd buy a few shirts SMALL, most Colombian chicks are tiny. Best 10 tees for $3 you'll ever spend!

4) Yep, Chocolates. Tell them it's for their kids and or Mom and you'll score BIG POINTS. Bags of Lindt or Gadiva that you can get at Longs/CVS/Wallgreens will get the trick done. I like to put the candies into a different gift bag so it seems a bit more special.

Good luck

[QUOTE=Robby Burns]4- Chocolates. I know the chicas like chocolates. Should I buy them in MDE or in the USA? Which would cost less? Less hassle to buy it in MDE, but I have read about guys who bring it in from the USA Why?[/QUOTE]The chocolate available in Colombia in plain english sucks. How could that be special? Imagine if your girl from Belgium flew to the US and bought you that special Snickers bar. Get it?

[QUOTE=LuckyEddie]The chocolate available in Colombia in plain english sucks. How could that be special? Imagine if your girl from Belgium flew to the US and bought you that special Snickers bar. Get it?[/QUOTE]I don't know if the chocolate in Colombia sucks or not but IMO it is the Name brand game. Colombians love name brands and you can't get Lindt and Godiva in Colombia(I think). So when you show up with a bag and tell them. "Super Rico" and they've never seen them before at Exito. You're good!

Travel. I want to take a roundtrip frpm PTY panamacity to MDE Mediellen for 6 days in October. Online prices are horrendous. I need help from local travel agents, Any help is appreciated to find discounted days it is $600 USD! I am waiting to book the room as I need to figure out flights first

Hi

Is there anyone who can tell me what song ,is being played here?

[url]http://www.dollhouseinternational.com/english/clubgallery.html[/url]

Regards,

BL

Hi

Is there anyone who can tell me what song is being played here?

[url]http://www.dollhouseinternational.com/english/clubgallery.html[/url]

BL

[QUOTE=ButtLover]Hi

Is there anyone who can tell me what song is being played here?

[url]http://www.dollhouseinternational.com/english/clubgallery.html[/url]

BL[/QUOTE]Name of the song is "porque te amo" (because I love you) by Nino Segarra, from Puerto Rico.

Here's the vid (I can't stop laughing at the quality of this stuff):

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzglEQeZt-g[/url]

How about this one?

[url]http://www.dollhouseinternational.com/english/ClubGallery_ladiesnight.html[/url]

Herad it all time and in English version too.

[QUOTE=Viajando Musico]How about this one?

[url]http://www.dollhouseinternational.com/english/ClubGallery_ladiesnight.html[/url]

Herad it all time and in English version too.[/QUOTE]That's "Ven Devorame Otra Vez" by Lalo Rodriguez

That translates into "Come, Devour Me Again" :)

Like the other song you were asking about, it was a huge hit in the salsa clubs during the "salsa romantica" (romantic salsa) heyday of the 80's, although some people would call this "salsa erotica"

Another "salsa romantica/erotica" hit that I like better is "La Cita" by Galy Galiano. Look up the video on YouTube. It was filmed in Cartagena; Galy is Colombian, from the north coast, which is more into the salsa sound (Cali also) than Medellin or Bogota. "La Cita" is Colombia's contribution to the lineup of "salsa romantica" classics.

[QUOTE=Phunluv]That's "Ven Devorame Otra Vez" by Lalo Rodriguez

That translates into "Come, Devour Me Again" :)

Like the other song you were asking about, it was a huge hit in the salsa clubs during the "salsa romantica" (romantic salsa) heyday of the 80's, although some people would call this "salsa erotica"

Another "salsa romantica/erotica" hit that I like better is "La Cita" by Galy Galiano. Look up the video on YouTube. It was filmed in Cartagena; Galy is Colombian, from the north coast, which is more into the salsa sound (Cali also) than Medellin or Bogota. "La Cita" is Colombia's contribution to the lineup of "salsa romantica" classics.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the answer. I didn't know this is an old salsa song, still quite popular in many clubs wtih Latin them. I did check out "La Cita" on yutube, but it didn't strike me as much as this song. But the backfround of Cartagena is beautiful. A city that is on the top of my to do list.

After spending several months in Colombia this is my thoughtful conclusion.

I have hot girls for dates, but I can not meet with them after having returned home. Please PM me if interested.

From Medellín, Bogotá, Pereira, Barranquilla, Calí and Cartagena.

[QUOTE=Colashermosas]After spending several months in Colombia this is my thoughtful conclusion.

I have hot girls for dates, but I can not meet with them after having returned home. Please PM me if interested.

From Medellín, Bogotá, Pereira, Barranquilla, Calí and Cartagena.[/QUOTE]Thanks but no thanks. I'm not Anglo Saxon but I have hot girls to date when I'm in Colombia. Your a very generous guy.

Hi man,

I'm still living in Bogota and I travel all around Colombia. How can I get those contacts you are talking about?

Let me know if possible to get them.

Regards

[QUOTE=Colashermosas]After spending several months in Colombia this is my thoughtful conclusion.

I have hot girls for dates, but I can not meet with them after having returned home. Please PM me if interested.

From Medellín, Bogotá, Pereira, Barranquilla, Calí and Cartagena.[/QUOTE]

Hi All --

I've taken a few great trips to Costa Rica, and always it. I would like to change it up a little bit thought and head down to Columbia. I'm coming from NYC, so I would like to fly into a big city like Bogota or Medellin direct. I have 2 weeks, so I'm thinking spend 1 week in a city, then take a little domestic flight to a beach town for a change of scenes and relaxation. Maybe Medellin to Cartagena? Then at the end I'd fly home from there. Obviously I want to partake in some girls while I'm there, but i'd also like to see some sights and relax as well maybe do some snorkeling or scuba diving or fishing.

Do you think that makes sense? Are there other/better places to consider?

Thanks friends

[QUOTE=Beconn Reconn]Hi All --

I've taken a few great trips to Costa Rica, and always it. I would like to change it up a little bit thought and head down to Columbia. I'm coming from NYC, so I would like to fly into a big city like Bogota or Medellin direct. I have 2 weeks, so I'm thinking spend 1 week in a city, then take a little domestic flight to a beach town for a change of scenes and relaxation. Maybe Medellin to Cartagena? Then at the end I'd fly home from there. Obviously I want to partake in some girls while I'm there, but i'd also like to see some sights and relax as well maybe do some snorkeling or scuba diving or fishing.

Do you think that makes sense? Are there other/better places to consider?

Thanks friends[/QUOTE]It makes sense except for the part about snorkeling or scuba diving. The water in CTG is not good for those things. Santa Marta is a better choice. A short drive from there is a beautiful natural park with great water. I forget the correct spelling but it is something like Parke T-.

Also there is P4P in Santa Marta, but not as good as in MDE.

As far as BOG, I have never been there, but all reports say there is plenty of action there.

I been planning a trip to Colombia. Decided to join RomanceLatina just to check it out. Out of the blue and unsolicited by me I get PM from some "chica". User name: clara052. She purports to be from Spain but, working in Nigeria. Huh what? OK. So she sends some pics and starts to claim "love" and "serious" relationship. Yeah Right! So I play the game then I get this e-mail:

Hello, XXX,

How your doing I hope your doing good. Honey am bad on Sunday. Something bad Happen to me and Alex on Sunday morning on our way outing, and I regretted why am in this so called good country. Baby I got robbed, they took all I have with me right now am broke. They took my Phone Laptop and my Money and the beat alex to coma Alex was only trying to help me out when he was dragging withe the thug's. Right now I don't have anything to me and I don't know what to do. I just can't seat to see Alex my alone son laying on the sick bed, so I went down to the Police station to make a report. Also am sending this mail from the police state I told the officers if I could use there system to send you a mail. Baby please try and do something to help us out.

I love you

Clara

I had a good laugh! Seems a new twist to the "Nigerian Scam" letters.

[QUOTE=Arjay]I been planning a trip to Colombia. Decided to join RomanceLatina just to check it out. Out of the blue and unsolicited by me I get PM from some "chica". User name: clara052. She purports to be from Spain but, working in Nigeria. Huh what? OK. So she sends some pics and starts to claim "love" and "serious" relationship. Yeah Right! So I play the game then I get this e-mail:

Hello, XXX,

How your doing I hope your doing good. Honey am bad on Sunday. Something bad Happen to me and Alex on Sunday morning on our way outing, and I regretted why am in this so called good country. Baby I got robbed, they took all I have with me right now am broke. They took my Phone Laptop and my Money and the beat alex to coma Alex was only trying to help me out when he was dragging withe the thug's. Right now I don't have anything to me and I don't know what to do. I just can't seat to see Alex my alone son laying on the sick bed, so I went down to the Police station to make a report. Also am sending this mail from the police state I told the officers if I could use there system to send you a mail. Baby please try and do something to help us out.

I love you

Clara

I had a good laugh! Seems a new twist to the "Nigerian Scam" letters.[/QUOTE]I have a had few deals like that in the past and they all came from girls in Africa. They all were in trouble at the airport and needed help so they could come to the USA to be with me. It must have something to do with the lax rules on fraud overthere. BTW the pictures the girls sent me were great, but you would have to be real stupid to fall for this over worked scam.

Any time you sign up for a public site, meeting or otherwise you can be assured to receive scammers like this.

I got if from Romance, adult finder, even rent.com (I go hit from one off that sight 3 years ago). You can be assured scammers will try to get you anyway they can.

[QUOTE=Arjay]I been planning a trip to Colombia. Decided to join RomanceLatina just to check it out. Out of the blue and unsolicited by me I get PM from some "chica". User name: clara052. She purports to be from Spain but, working in Nigeria. Huh what? OK. So she sends some pics and starts to claim "love" and "serious" relationship. Yeah Right! So I play the game then I get this e-mail:

Hello, XXX,

How your doing I hope your doing good. Honey am bad on Sunday. Something bad Happen to me and Alex on Sunday morning on our way outing, and I regretted why am in this so called good country. Baby I got robbed, they took all I have with me right now am broke. They took my Phone Laptop and my Money and the beat alex to coma Alex was only trying to help me out when he was dragging withe the thug's. Right now I don't have anything to me and I don't know what to do. I just can't seat to see Alex my alone son laying on the sick bed, so I went down to the Police station to make a report. Also am sending this mail from the police state I told the officers if I could use there system to send you a mail. Baby please try and do something to help us out.

I love you

Clara

I had a good laugh! Seems a new twist to the "Nigerian Scam" letters.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Arjay]I been planning a trip to Colombia. Decided to join RomanceLatina just to check it out. Out of the blue and unsolicited by me I get PM from some "chica". User name: clara052. She purports to be from Spain but, working in Nigeria. Huh what? OK. So she sends some pics and starts to claim "love" and "serious" relationship. Yeah Right! So I play the game then I get this e-mail:

Hello, XXX,

How your doing I hope your doing good. Honey am bad on Sunday. Something bad Happen to me and Alex on Sunday morning on our way outing, and I regretted why am in this so called good country. Baby I got robbed, they took all I have with me right now am broke. They took my Phone Laptop and my Money and the beat alex to coma Alex was only trying to help me out when he was dragging withe the thug's. Right now I don't have anything to me and I don't know what to do. I just can't seat to see Alex my alone son laying on the sick bed, so I went down to the Police station to make a report. Also am sending this mail from the police state I told the officers if I could use there system to send you a mail. Baby please try and do something to help us out.

I love you

Clara

I had a good laugh! Seems a new twist to the "Nigerian Scam" letters.[/QUOTE]Same thing happened to me. Different story but same Nigeria scam. Begins with a PM to add her on messenger, so I did and played along for a bit.

From San Fran travelling to somewhere in Africa. Literally in the air while she was talking to me on messenger LOL. Something about she met a Prince who was in trouble or something. Lost interest right about there.

[QUOTE=Beconn Reconn]Hi All --

I've taken a few great trips to Costa Rica, and always it. I would like to change it up a little bit thought and head down to Columbia. I'm coming from NYC, so I would like to fly into a big city like Bogota or Medellin direct. I have 2 weeks, so I'm thinking spend 1 week in a city, then take a little domestic flight to a beach town for a change of scenes and relaxation. Maybe Medellin to Cartagena? Then at the end I'd fly home from there. Obviously I want to partake in some girls while I'm there, but i'd also like to see some sights and relax as well maybe do some snorkeling or scuba diving or fishing.

Do you think that makes sense? Are there other/better places to consider?

Thanks friends[/QUOTE]Yea Cartagena sounds good for the snorkling and chics but you need to catch boat there to Rosaria Islands then go snorkling not very expensive the boats leave out of the harbor there.

How are Black Men, specifically from America are accepted by women in Colombia?

I'm mainly talking about light skin Colombians, I know there Black Colombians but just like going down to Brazil to bang Black Brazilians seems pointless to me.

I date all kinds of women but I've had problems with dating attractive Latinas here for some reason.

So I'm just wondering what is the general reaction you get?

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]How are Black Men, specifically from America are accepted by women in Colombia?

I'm mainly talking about light skin Colombians, I know there Black Colombians but just like going down to Brazil to bang Black Brazilians seems pointless to me.

I date all kinds of women but I've had problems with dating attractive Latinas here for some reason.

So I'm just wondering what is the general reaction you get?[/QUOTE]From what I've gathered from my extensive world travels(not just mongering)

And also being a minority(IE not white). I find that there is a sort of discrimination against "Dark Skinned" people in general. They see it sort of like

"You are a farmer and you work outside so you are dark"

I find this to be the case in Colombia too. The darker Colombians get a bit of the shaft as it were.

Also I read an article in one of the local paper that said the same thing pretty much.

Just my observations

[QUOTE=Slamcity7777]From what I've gathered from my extensive world travels(not just mongering)

And also being a minority(IE not white). I find that there is a sort of discrimination against "Dark Skinned" people in general. They see it sort of like

"You are a farmer and you work outside so you are dark"

I find this to be the case in Colombia too. The darker Colombians get a bit of the shaft as it were.

Also I read an article in one of the local paper that said the same thing pretty much.

Just my observations[/QUOTE]If you're paying, it won't make any difference at all.

If you're not paying, some girls will be totally turned off by the idea of being with a black man, others will have it as a fantasy. There really aren't that many black people in Colombia so some women will be curious about it. It could go either way. Just ascertain right away what the deal is and if the girl isn't interested move on.

Has anyone on the board ever heard of "el que no come burro no es hombre"?

I heard saw a video, and talked to a girlfriend about this and she confirmed it. It appears as if in the mountains of Cartegena in an effort to keep the ladies chaste the young men are encouraged to entertain the idea of having sex with donkeys.

Is this a wives tale or do they still encourage and or accept such things in the North of Colombia?

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]How are Black Men, specifically from America are accepted by women in Colombia?

I'm mainly talking about light skin Colombians, I know there Black Colombians but just like going down to Brazil to bang Black Brazilians seems pointless to me.

I date all kinds of women but I've had problems with dating attractive Latinas here for some reason.

So I'm just wondering what is the general reaction you get?[/QUOTE]For the Most part, I think the latinas are looking for a man that knows how to carry himself, and that is financially secure.

Of course women are going to have physcal preferences, just like you have preferences but if you are able to meet then somehow you can kill her with kindness.

Take a Spanish, or dance class-while you are in Colombia.

Find an introduction site and try to cultivate a relationship online.

It does help to speak Spanish. If you become competent in Spanish that in it self is going to set you apart.

Now, I would not worry about one light skinned hooker turning you down, becuase there is one behind her that is good to go. Just don't insist, why insist on a hooker that does not want to go to the room. Not even by offering more-you will just have to put up with the attitude.

To end, I would like to say that it is not always race that keeps the ladies away, unless you have been told that by the lady you will never know. Until you try-holla!

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]How are Black Men, specifically from America are accepted by women in Colombia?

I'm mainly talking about light skin Colombians, I know there Black Colombians but just like going down to Brazil to bang Black Brazilians seems pointless to me.

I date all kinds of women but I've had problems with dating attractive Latinas here for some reason.

So I'm just wondering what is the general reaction you get?[/QUOTE]I'm also an African American male that loves light skinned Latinas. I've visited Medellin 4 times and will be returning September 11. I've noticed that a lot of the light skinned paisas that I've met through marriage agencies like A Foreign Affair don't seem interested in me. Some have even come right out and said my skin color was the reason they wouldn't date me. There's a misconception that life in America with a Black man will be miserable and we'll treat them worse than a Colombian man. A lot of it is based on the images they may see of a Black man when they watch American television. If we're not scoring a touchdown, slam dunking or rapping you see us in a wife beater and handcuffs. I've had more success with the paisas I've met that are from less privileged backgrounds, not as educated or professional and through mongering. That's how I met the girl that I'm presently seeing. The paisas that come from the upper class seem to be looking for the blond haired blue eyed White American dream. A Black man can find success with the light skinned paisas. You just have to know where to look for the ones that are interested in you.

Hi all,

Brand new here. I am hoping to start travelling to Colombia very soon. I have started to learn some Spanish and doing lots of reading on here, but few general questions I hope you veteran travellers can help

1. Romancelatina.com. I understand majority of the girls are working girls But is there a way to tell which girl is working girl and which is not? I do not want to ask a regular girl how much she charges per hour. What are some thing or questions you ask to determine?

2. Between Bogota / Medelline, where should a first timer stay? Does it matter or equally as good. I believe it is Bogota that weather is more hot

3. I know Spanish is important, but how much Espanol do I need to know before heading down, able to communicate in a full conversation, or some phrases are good enough to start? Do most people/girls know some basic English at least?

(for first trip, I would like to have like a guide before heading down. Have contacted few on Craigslist, but if I can meet girls from RomanceLatina, even better, no luck yet though)

4. I am Chinese. Is that a big deal, does it make a difference at all in Colombia?

Anything else anyone can provide would be greatly appreciated. There is a ton of stuff here to learn.

[QUOTE=Slamcity7777]From what I've gathered from my extensive world travels(not just mongering)

And also being a minority(IE not white). I find that there is a sort of discrimination against "Dark Skinned" people in general. They see it sort of like

"You are a farmer and you work outside so you are dark"

I find this to be the case in Colombia too. The darker Colombians get a bit of the shaft as it were.

Also I read an article in one of the local paper that said the same thing pretty much.

Just my observations[/QUOTE]That's what I have heard as well, even read an article about a year ago.

Not saying there's a correlation but on some of the marriage agency sites, I notice that most of the Black men that make their way down to Colombia, Peru, etc, etc seem to hook up with darker skinned women or Black Latinas.

I generally date White Women, so I would extend that preference anywhere I went and one reason why I would go to Curitiba or Sao Paulo over Rio when I finally make it down to Brazil.

But with Colombia being very affordable, I wanted to give it a shot and the women can be neck breaking attractive.

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]That's what I have heard as well, even read an article about a year ago.

Not saying there's a correlation but on some of the marriage agency sites, I notice that most of the Black men that make their way down to Colombia, Peru, etc, etc seem to hook up with darker skinned women or Black Latinas.

I generally date White Women, so I would extend that preference anywhere I went and one reason why I would go to Curitiba or Sao Paulo over Rio when I finally make it down to Brazil.

But with Colombia being very affordable, I wanted to give it a shot and the women can be neck breaking attractive.[/QUOTE]I have been to Colombia 2 times both to CTG. I am a US citizen with parents born in Mexico. I am fairly dark skin I guess, but my experiences have been very positive. I had no trouble pulling light skined girls. In my opinion as long as you are respectful and all about having a good time, it doesn't matter what the color of your skin is. Also on my way back to th states I met a black guy from New Jersey that was there with Loveme.com. He said he had a blast and said he ran out of condoms in the week he was there. So my advice just go ther with good intentions and you will be rewarded! Have a great time. I will be in MDE in Nov. If anybody is out there at that time hit me up. I will be bringing a few bottles of the best Tequila I can get my hand on at the Tequila Fest in Tijuana in Oct.

[QUOTE=Double]For the Most part, I think the latinas are looking for a man that knows how to carry himself, and that is financially secure.

Of course women are going to have physcal preferences, just like you have preferences but if you are able to meet then somehow you can kill her with kindness.

Take a Spanish, or dance class-while you are in Colombia.

Find an introduction site and try to cultivate a relationship online.

It does help to speak Spanish. If you become competent in Spanish that in it self is going to set you apart.

Now, I would not worry about one light skinned hooker turning you down, becuase there is one behind her that is good to go. Just don't insist, why insist on a hooker that does not want to go to the room. Not even by offering more-you will just have to put up with the attitude.

To end, I would like to say that it is not always race that keeps the ladies away, unless you have been told that by the lady you will never know. Until you try-holla![/QUOTE]Very good post. Discrimination exist's, but is this going to stop you from being who you are? Being were privileged and living in America, we sometime's feel all women are going to do flip's to be with us. We still have to offer something with money. Unless she is just a trick.

Please understand there are different cultural aspect's. For instance, my ex Dominicana who is darker than me got upset when I put my arm next to her's and said she is black. Should I get upset or try to figure out how she was brain washed? Just like you want her to understand being black in America, you have to understand her culture.

You overcome this by putting yourself forward in a presentable manner, instead of saying"I got money". Learn her culture and she will want to learn yours.

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]That's what I have heard as well, even read an article about a year ago.

Not saying there's a correlation but on some of the marriage agency sites, I notice that most of the Black men that make their way down to Colombia, Peru, etc, etc seem to hook up with darker skinned women or Black Latinas.

I generally date White Women, so I would extend that preference anywhere I went and one reason why I would go to Curitiba or Sao Paulo over Rio when I finally make it down to Brazil.

But with Colombia being very affordable, I wanted to give it a shot and the women can be neck breaking attractive.[/QUOTE]"Date" is a questionable word and means just about everything on this sex forum which is 90% about paying for sex.

Are you looking looking for putas or is it that light skinned girls do not exist in the US or your home country therefor you are setting out to find women in other countries for marriage prospect or long term relationships due to the scarcity?

If you are looking for hookers 1 in 20 may avoid you but that will not a be prob - all money is green so to speak.

If you are looking for a girlfriend for a week while you are on vacation only the desperate will buy into that no matter what color your skin.

There is s level of prejudice and regionalism here and this has dated back to before television.

As funny as it sounds some parents would rather see their daughter with a dark skinned paisa than a lighter skinned costeño.

These days there is a slew of good looking 25-35 yo blond blue eyed foreigners who have money and speak spanish extremely well (German, Holland, Denmark and Swiss). The good girls are getting spoiled with tons of options in their dream guys not available just 5 years ago.

Remember Medellín is one city - the rest of the world is a big place with a lot of horny guys.

No use trying to figure everything out, just come down and get rolling, the ones that don't want you will make it clear.

[QUOTE=Maidenkj]The paisas that come from the upper class seem to be looking for the blond haired blue eyed White American dream. [/QUOTE]My experience is the lower class generally have the sueño mexicano, the lower middle class the sueño norte-americano, and the upper middle class the sueño europeo.

The upper class don't have any desire to leave Colombia apart from for regular holidays in their apartments in NY, London.

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]That's what I have heard as well, even read an article about a year ago.

Not saying there's a correlation but on some of the marriage agency sites, I notice that most of the Black men that make their way down to Colombia, Peru, etc, etc seem to hook up with darker skinned women or Black Latinas.

I generally date White Women, so I would extend that preference anywhere I went and one reason why I would go to Curitiba or Sao Paulo over Rio when I finally make it down to Brazil.

But with Colombia being very affordable, I wanted to give it a shot and the women can be neck breaking attractive.[/QUOTE]IMO opinion there has always seemed to be a global indoctrination in which mean and women crave those with lighter skin. Until recently when I began to read some books on neuroscience it was only then that I learned where this bias comes from. Seems that we are all programmed at an unconscious level to create patterns so we can better function in the world. The book explained how our brain innocuously associates what is good with white and what is negative with Black due to our worldly observations without us being consciously aware of it. This is only exasperated by the social dynamic that has been created in many cultures. As of right now there seems to not be any means of reversing this phenomena except for maybe we all identity and try to consciously control our biases. But that will never happen. Till then you just have to find the ones that can think above this irrational behavior. I have also noticed that if one hangs around with White guys that it seems that lighter skinned women are more responsive to you. As if on a subconscious level you are ok because you have White friends.

Even still I have seen many White men that still do not have access to the "upper class" just by being white. They may have access to more women overall but the end result seems like they always get fleeced by some crafty Asian, South American, or Russian woman. I figure what is the point of having more choices if the end result sucks.

[QUOTE=Double]Has anyone on the board ever heard of "el que no come burro no es hombre"?

I heard saw a video, and talked to a girlfriend about this and she confirmed it. It appears as if in the mountains of Cartegena in an effort to keep the ladies chaste the young men are encouraged to entertain the idea of having sex with donkeys.

Is this a wives tale or do they still encourage and or accept such things in the North of Colombia?[/QUOTE]It's true that in the more rural and poorer areas of the north coast, a lot of young men have their first sexual experience with a donkey (burro). I think it's a bit exaggerated but there's a video about this phenomena on vbs.tv The title of the clip is "Asses of the Caribbean" I shit you not! :) Just type that in the search box and check out the vid. Some of the boys that admit to doing it on the clip look no more than 10 or 11 years old!! There's a lot of Colombian jokes and internet cartoons about this phenomena.

[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]My experience is the lower class generally have the sueño mexicano, the lower middle class the sueño norte-americano, and the upper middle class the sueño europeo.

The upper class don't have any desire to leave Colombia apart from for regular holidays in their apartments in NY, London.[/QUOTE]I don't think very many people want to leave here.

[QUOTE=Phunluv]It's true that in the more rural and poorer areas of the north coast, a lot of young men have their first sexual experience with a donkey (burro). I think it's a bit exaggerated but there's a video about this phenomena on vbs.tv The title of the clip is "Asses of the Caribbean" I shit you not! :) Just type that in the search box and check out the vid. Some of the boys that admit to doing it on the clip look no more than 10 or 11 years old!! There's a lot of Colombian jokes and internet cartoons about this phenomena.[/QUOTE]It's very real.

[QUOTE=Gfechaser]IMO opinion there has always seemed to be a global indoctrination in which mean and women crave those with lighter skin. Until recently when I began to read some books on neuroscience it was only then that I learned where this bias comes from. Seems that we are all programmed at an unconscious level to create patterns so we can better function in the world. The book explained how our brain innocuously associates what is good with white and what is negative with Black due to our worldly observations without us being consciously aware of it. [/QUOTE]Opposites attract. I don't know if this stands for long-term partnerships, but my personal observations lead me to believe that whatever is strange, exotic, uncommon or rare, seems to be extremely attractive.

In Cuzco and other regions in Peru, locals cultivate their aboriginal image, contrary to mainstream canons of Western beauty. Instead of being tall and fair skinned, these small, brown men, with long black and greasy hair and furry upper lips seem seem to be a European woman's delight. You should see how gorgeous, young and well-to-do German and Dutch ladies fight over these guys, and even pay (not openly - some kind of "sponsorship" figure applies) to be fucked by them.

San Andres, as well as other islands in the Caribbean, hold witness to this tendency. The blackest men, far from the common stereotype of the better-off man (more rasta-like, easygoing beach dudes), get to fuck the blond broads.

Big men prefer petite ladies, Europeans and North Americans crave Latinas, African and Oriental babes, while their counterparts dream of blue eyes and close-to-white manes.

Simple economy: whatever is scarce is higly valued and consequently sought after; works for gold, chapagne, swiss watches, truffles and whatever kind of pussy you don't seem to be able to have. And so the world turns...

That's the sort of input I wanted.

[QUOTE=LuckyEddie]"Date" is a questionable word and means just about everything on this sex forum which is 90% about paying for sex.

Are you looking looking for putas or is it that light skinned girls do not exist in the US or your home country therefor you are setting out to find women in other countries for marriage prospect or long term relationships due to the scarcity?

If you are looking for hookers 1 in 20 may avoid you but that will not a be prob - all money is green so to speak.

If you are looking for a girlfriend for a week while you are on vacation only the desperate will buy into that no matter what color your skin.

There is s level of prejudice and regionalism here and this has dated back to before television.

As funny as it sounds some parents would rather see their daughter with a dark skinned paisa than a lighter skinned costeño.

These days there is a slew of good looking 25-35 yo blond blue eyed foreigners who have money and speak spanish extremely well (German, Holland, Denmark and Swiss). The good girls are getting spoiled with tons of options in their dream guys not available just 5 years ago.

Remember Medellín is one city - the rest of the world is a big place with a lot of horny guys.

No use trying to figure everything out, just come down and get rolling, the ones that don't want you will make it clear.[/QUOTE]Why put "Date" in quotations? lol

I use the word "date" as a replacement for a woman I'm seeing exclusively; non-pro, freebie, civilian whatever you wanna call it. I use P4P as a replacement for chasing women in bars and nightclubs.

I will come down, not to worry and thanks.

I was surprised to learn that the Valentine's Day in Colombia is in this month compared to what I knew to be in February. For you guys who have novias or pregagos in Colombia send them some flower or at least call them – Yes, I have one of those. Here is the info.

“ In most of South America the Día del amor y la amistad and the Amigo secreto ("Secret friend") are quite popular and usually celebrated together on the 14 of February (one exception is Colombia, where it is celebrated every third Saturday of September).– from Wikipedia”. Here is the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentine's_Day

This year, September 18, is the “Dia del Amor & Amistand en Colombia” – that means, you still have time.

I found these websites to send flowers, but experts who live in Colombia will know more about the options, and how big deal this is in Colombia:

[url]http://florcolombia.com/flores-a-colombia/enviar-flores-a-colombia.html[/url]
[url]http://www.daflores.com/colombia/[/url]

[QUOTE=Hola Mundo]I was surprised to learn that the Valentine's Day in Colombia is in this month compared to what I knew to be in February. For you guys who have novias or pregagos in Colombia send them some flower or at least call them – Yes, I have one of those. Here is the info.

“ In most of South America the Día del amor y la amistad and the Amigo secreto ("Secret friend") are quite popular and usually celebrated together on the 14 of February (one exception is Colombia, where it is celebrated every third Saturday of September).– from Wikipedia”. Here is the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentine's_Day

This year, September 18, is the “Dia del Amor & Amistand en Colombia” – that means, you still have time.

I found these websites to send flowers, but experts who live in Colombia will know more about the options, and how big deal this is in Colombia:

[url]http://florcolombia.com/flores-a-colombia/enviar-flores-a-colombia.html[/url]
[url]http://www.daflores.com/colombia/[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks for the reminder,

It seems the last few years someone has shouted a heads-up for this date on this board and in my case, it is well received.

Hola Mundo is 100% correct on the significance of this date. In Colombia, but to my knowledge not throughout Latin America, September 18th is the equivalent of Valentines day in the USA Sure they all know about Valentines day in February and it's nice to recognize it but the Dia de Amor y Amistades in September is the sweetheart date that counts.

Send a card, make the call that you normally make or send on Valentines day, birthday, etc, etc.

For the ones that REALLY put out, ehhh, I mean, deserve it.)

Schwmm

Hi,

Can anyone offer their insights on marriage agency tours in Colombia? Is the $1300 bucks or so worth it? What were your experiences like? Were the women of higher quality than what a mongerer would normally have access to?

I have no serious interests in taking a wife from such a tour but if the right women avials herself who knows. I am seeking a more cultivated companion than a ***** from LDV. Thanks.

Best,

DD

[QUOTE=DirkDingy]Hi,

Can anyone offer their insights on marriage agency tours in Colombia? Is the $1300 bucks or so worth it? What were your experiences like? Were the women of higher quality than what a mongerer would normally have access to?

I have no serious interests in taking a wife from such a tour but if the right women avials herself who knows. I am seeking a more cultivated companion than a ***** from LDV. Thanks.

Best,

DD[/QUOTE]No offense, but there are suckers born every minute. You might think you are getting a girl the is a "cultivated companion", but do not be surprised to see them working in LDV trying to make money off of the tourists. There are exceptions of course.

My advise go to the mall and start talking to the girls working in the stores. Walk around Bocagrande, smile and start a conversation with someone that strikes your fancy.

My wife and I were in Cartagena four years ago when I met a gentleman from Boston who had a pretty girl on his arm. He had a big smile and told me he thought this girl was the one for him. It was difficult for me to tell him that my wife whispered to me "She a bad girl". My wife goes to LaPerla quite a bit to play roulette and talk with friends and she told me the girls from LDV would show up in the casino to take a break from the smoke and noise. She recognized this girl being with a different man each night.

So please be careful.

[QUOTE=DirkDingy]Hi,

Can anyone offer their insights on marriage agency tours in Colombia? Is the $1300 bucks or so worth it? What were your experiences like? Were the women of higher quality than what a mongerer would normally have access to?

I have no serious interests in taking a wife from such a tour but if the right women avials herself who knows. I am seeking a more cultivated companion than a ***** from LDV. Thanks.

Best,

DD[/QUOTE]Dd,

This is how I started my journeys to Colombia 3 years ago. I've been on several trips through A Foreign Affair and Colombian Angels which is now [url]http://www.Latingirldating.com[/url]. I had some good times and met some nice non pros. On the romance tours I found myself overwhelmed by so many women it was hard to choose only 1. Not too many guys find the 1 on their first tour. It usually takes several trips before that may happen. I also started finding that some non pros are up to no good just like the pros. I found out one girl I was writing for a couple of months before a trip was engaged three weeks before my arrival. That's when I started to mix mongering into my trips. Now I have a novia that's trying to get away from the night life and get regular work. I'll see how it goes. Luckily I have a couple of trustworthy friends monitoring her progress in English classes and work training programs. If you're in Medellin I would advise you to go to AFA or Latin Girl's office, look at the catalogs and do some individual dating before doing a tour. You can save money and still meet someone nice.

[QUOTE=Maidenkj]Dd,

This is how I started my journeys to Colombia 3 years ago. I've been on several trips through A Foreign Affair and Colombian Angels which is now [url]http://www.Latingirldating.com[/url]. I had some good times and met some nice non pros. On the romance tours I found myself overwhelmed by so many women it was hard to choose only 1. Not too many guys find the 1 on their first tour. It usually takes several trips before that may happen. I also started finding that some non pros are up to no good just like the pros. I found out one girl I was writing for a couple of months before a trip was engaged three weeks before my arrival. That's when I started to mix mongering into my trips. Now I have a novia that's trying to get away from the night life and get regular work. I'll see how it goes. Luckily I have a couple of trustworthy friends monitoring her progress in English classes and work training programs. If you're in Medellin I would advise you to go to AFA or Latin Girl's office, look at the catalogs and do some individual dating before doing a tour. You can save money and still meet someone nice.[/QUOTE]Thanks, very helpful.

[QUOTE=Otiers]No offense, but there are suckers born every minute. You might think you are getting a girl the is a "cultivated companion", but do not be surprised to see them working in LDV trying to make money off of the tourists. There are exceptions of course.

My advise go to the mall and start talking to the girls working in the stores. Walk around Bocagrande, smile and start a conversation with someone that strikes your fancy.

My wife and I were in Cartagena four years ago when I met a gentleman from Boston who had a pretty girl on his arm. He had a big smile and told me he thought this girl was the one for him. It was difficult for me to tell him that my wife whispered to me "She a bad girl". My wife goes to LaPerla quite a bit to play roulette and talk with friends and she told me the girls from LDV would show up in the casino to take a break from the smoke and noise. She recognized this girl being with a different man each night.

So please be careful.[/QUOTE]Hi,

I am experienced mongerer and am unlikely to be duped by prostitutues claiming to be something they are not.

I don't like being seen with prostitutes in public and don't realy care for 90% of the prostitutes that I meet.

But if a guy wants to take his wife from a bordello its his business.

I prefer medium term arrangements and surmised that the women of reputable introduction agency may be gold diggers or a bit jaded but are more of what I desire.

[QUOTE=DirkDingy]Hi,

I am experienced mongerer and am unlikely to be duped by prostitutues claiming to be something they are not.

I don't like being seen with prostitutes in public and don't realy care for 90% of the prostitutes that I meet.

But if a guy wants to take his wife from a bordello its his business.

I prefer medium term arrangements and surmised that the women of reputable introduction agency may be gold diggers or a bit jaded but are more of what I desire.[/QUOTE]Just because you are an experienced monger does not mean you are wise to those who try to make a buck off men who want to find true love and happiness. I hope you take the advise because Colombianas are great actresses.

I met my wife by starting a conversation and asking her to show me the city. Over a period of time we built our relationship. That can't be done in a week or two by being inundated by many girls at one time. If you can find a gem and be able to build over a period of time by visiting her several times over a year, then yes it might be the way you want to go.

You sought advise and when you did not get the answer you wanted you start attacking. I was just offering my experience in seeing these men come into town from AFA and getting the puppy dog look in their eyes and falling in love without really knowing the girl. There are many girls from AFA that are constantly in LDV.

Because my wife has the resources and time to go to both the Rio and LaPerla casinos she knows what goes on. I assume you were not inferring that she was straight out of a ***** house. If you were, you should offer an apology and not make statements unless you are willing to say it to my face. If not, then the best of luck to you in your search.

[QUOTE=Otiers]Just because you are an experienced monger does not mean you are wise to those who try to make a buck off men who want to find true love and happiness. I hope you take the advise because Colombianas are great actresses.

I met my wife by starting a conversation and asking her to show me the city. Over a period of time we built our relationship. That can't be done in a week or two by being inundated by many girls at one time. If you can find a gem and be able to build over a period of time by visiting her several times over a year, then yes it might be the way you want to go.

You sought advise and when you did not get the answer you wanted you start attacking. I was just offering my experience in seeing these men come into town from AFA and getting the puppy dog look in their eyes and falling in love without really knowing the girl. There are many girls from AFA that are constantly in LDV.

Because my wife has the resources and time to go to both the Rio and LaPerla casinos she knows what goes on. I assume you were not inferring that she was straight out of a ***** house. If you were, you should offer an apology and not make statements unless you are willing to say it to my face. If not, then the best of luck to you in your search.[/QUOTE]Hi Otiers,

I did not intend to offend you or imply that your wife was taken from a bordello. You seem like type of guy who would take precautions for this not to occur.

No matter how tawdry or uncouth I think this to be, I don’t care if another man does so. I think that most of these sorts of arrangements end in disaster and as they are usually built on deceit and lies by one or both parties, but I know of know of one Maj in the USAF that took a wife from a *****house in Kosovo and they live a decent middle class American life. Good for them.

I think that some hookers are ok people but most of the ones that I have met all over the world are both lazy and stupid. And those traits are tough to shake if a gal wants to go straight and be successful or complement your success.

I would be willing to pay a premium to have a stable of 3-5 dinner dates in CTG for a month that are middle class women with jobs who speak decent English. That’s what I am after. If I can pay $1300 to be introduced to 40-50 women, of which 15-25 will be the job holding professional chicas that I desire, and if 7 to 12 of the aforementioned will like me and I will like them then the trip will be a smashing success; if I can meet four to five such women the trip will be a success.

I think that an introduction service is good venue to facilitate this.

I doubt that a Latina—or any other woman for than matter-- won’t put out after three dates if she’s attracted to you so I’m not worried about expending time and resources and being left high and dry.

Look, of course, I know that if I call a woman at 1100 on Monday and she is sleep my bs detector starts beeping. I also know that if I see a woman with no job with a multitude of trips aboard I know that she is on the circuit…nobody visits friends in Dubai for two months. I know what most of these “models” do unless they work for a handful of agencies…and even then.

The problem with these boards is that the audience varies so widely that it’s hard to strike the correct tone. At times a simple recital of facts appears to some as arrogant when I feel that context is necessary, even crucial. (Apparent) wealth, looks, age, language ability, charm, availability, (apparent) social strata, are all factors which impact one’s experience with the ladies.

I’m a far cry from the typical Yankee guy who comes down on a love tour for a week and is puppy struck by the routine of the ladies.

I agree that your advice and warnings is good intel for most people.

The beer is on me if we can link up in CTG or MDE next month. Didn't mean to offend.

Cheers,

DD

Can you smoke in the strip clubs in Bogota and Medellin?

[QUOTE=Doubt98]Can you smoke in the strip clubs in Bogota and Medellin?[/QUOTE]
No smoking in clubs and resteraunts.

[QUOTE=DirkDingy]Hi Otiers,

I did not intend to offend you or imply that your wife was taken from a bordello. You seem like type of guy who would take precautions for this not to occur.

No matter how tawdry or uncouth I think this to be, I don’t care if another man does so. I think that most of these sorts of arrangements end in disaster and as they are usually built on deceit and lies by one or both parties, but I know of know of one Maj in the USAF that took a wife from a *****house in Kosovo and they live a decent middle class American life. Good for them.

I think that some hookers are ok people but most of the ones that I have met all over the world are both lazy and stupid. And those traits are tough to shake if a gal wants to go straight and be successful or complement your success.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the explanation. I do wish you the best. Since you will be there for a month, then you will be able to meet a few normal women. Another way to meet single available women is to talk get to know some families because the wife will know friends or a sister or niece to introduce you.

A few years ago before I was married, I met a family from Barranquilla staying in the apartment building I was staying. I still get emails from them and they still send me pictures of women they want me to meet. When I go married seven years ago, I was in the waiting area at the airport when the young woman who worked with my wife and I to organize our wedding and reception at the Hotel Caribe was on the same plane as mine. We were able to sit together and talk the entire trip and she told me she would have liked to have known me before I got married. So, keep your radar up and you will meet many women.

Per my previous posts in the Cartagena section, I decided to have my wife attempt to go to the embassy one more time. Her appointment is Oct 7th, so if she gets it, I will be returning to Cartagena late Oct or early Nov. I would love to meet up for a beer and perhaps my wife can arrange one of her friends to come along.

[QUOTE=Doubt98]Can you smoke in the strip clubs in Bogota and Medellin?[/QUOTE]
You must go outside the club to smoke.

I went back till the reports of May 2010 but couldn't find any information on motels in Pereira. One of you mentioned Bolivar Square for nice hotels, but I need a motel to avoid risks for her.

BTW I did Google for motels in Pereira and got a list.

But I need recomendations and prices.

[QUOTE=DirkDingy]I would be willing to pay a premium to have a stable of 3-5 dinner dates in CTG for a month that are middle class women with jobs who speak decent English. That’s what I am after. If I can pay $1300 to be introduced to 40-50 women, of which 15-25 will be the job holding professional chicas that I desire, and if 7 to 12 of the aforementioned will like me and I will like them then the trip will be a smashing success; if I can meet four to five such women the trip will be a success.

I think that an introduction service is good venue to facilitate this[/QUOTE]If a guy speaks decent spanish, has at least a semi-outgoing personality, seems to have a kind heart, and is pleasant looking (model looks not required at all) he can EASILY meet nice regular chicas in Colombia, especially a place like Barranquilla where the people are naturally friendly.

Meet girls and the malls, both customers and shop employees, restaurants, hair salons. (yes, if you see a nice looking girl cutting hair or doing nails, go in and get service and chat), from friends that you make and want to set you up, etc, etc.

You just never know who you'll meet and a lot depends on luck and taking advantage of your luck. Being at the right place at the right time and acting upon it.

In Brazil, my current girlfriend I met on the metro (subway) about a year ago.

I was lucky enough to be on the metro, in the same car, at the same time as her.

I spotted her, beautiful, sitting there and as nervous as I was, I talked to her, acted a little lost on the train, (girls love to help a lost guy) and we hit off.

I was lucky and took advantage of my luck otherwise it would have been just another lost opportunity.

The key is being able to speak the language and not being afraid to chat with a beautiful, younger lady. Because. You're not in the cold cultured west.

The intro service / online services, well of course I've tried them, but it's just not for me.

The owners of these intro services, I've had friends running these businesses, care only about getting your money, but they will be smiling and making promises the whole way.

Of course, if you're not a spanish speaker, this may be your better option, the intro service.

You will meet women, and you may get lucky.

Just be aware, the nicer looking girls will most likely be communicating with more guys than you and they might not admit it.

Remeber, Colombia has gotten pretty popular with lonely western guys searching / hoping to find love.

My favorites, are the girls I meet, whether in Colombia, Venezuela, Brazil, that have never really even met a foreigner.

The number one, most important thing a guy can do is learn to speak the local language. Spanish.

Incredible to me that guys want to go and meet a COLOMBIANA, maybe for marriage, and severely LIMIT themselves to english speaking girls only.

The vast majority of girls, even educated ones, don't speak english.

If you're serious about meeting latinas. Learn spanish, earnestly. It will pay off emmensley.

Talk to any guy about his experiences before speaking spanish and after, and 100 percent will tell you of the incredible difference with both regular and working girls.

When I first began visiting Brazil almost 5 years ago, I figured I would just use spanish to communicate.

WRONG. I felt like un idiota again, communicating like a kindergartner.

So, I studied like a mad-man and practiced and learned the language (portuguese).

Now, I can communicate again and it's back to milk and honey with the Brasileiras.

Ok. Enough rambling.

Good luck to ya.

[QUOTE=DirkDingy]Hi,

Can anyone offer their insights on marriage agency tours in Colombia? Is the $1300 bucks or so worth it? What were your experiences like? Were the women of higher quality than what a mongerer would normally have access to?

I have no serious interests in taking a wife from such a tour but if the right women avials herself who knows. I am seeking a more cultivated companion than a ***** from LDV. Thanks.

Best,

DD[/QUOTE]I was in MDE last month and I went to visit the office of AFA (in the Poblado district). There were four women there. The manager, and three associates.

They were very pleasant to me during my 30-minute visit (I did not pay any money. I only asked questions) but I think I may have uncovered a bit of a scam.

While I was talking to them, I noticed that two of the women were at computers, copying text from sheets of paper on their desk. I was able to catch a glimpse of what was on those sheets of paper, and they appeared to be "letters" that were being written by "women seeking men. "

In other words. Fake letters being being written by the AFA staff to unsuspecting men in the USA

I am not 100% certain that this was the case. But I am 90% certain.

If you want to get the AFA "experience" you can do it for as little as $50 per introduction. You go into their local office (in whatever city they have them) and look at their "Member's book". Or you can request a woman by her ID number on their website. For "only" $50 they will arrange a meeting at their office, and then you can take the woman to a nearby cafe or restaurant.

Next level of participation is to go to one of their scheduled parties. That will cost around $350 in MDE (IF I am remembering correctly). But you can meet many women, and then get their phone numbers. However, these parties only occur during one of their "tours" from the USA

Next level is to join their Latin Club. I think it is around $595 for unlimited introductions (usually at the AFA office) for a 7-day period. So, if the scheduling is possible, you can meet 4 or 5 women every day for a 1-2 hour date. For 7 straight days. I am not sure if this level includes attending one of their parties.

My point is that you do not have to spend the $1,300 (or more) to get some of their benefits. You can start as low as $50.

Just beware of my original discovery. The letter-writers were young assistants working in their office. It is very easy for this outfit to have "agreements" with the more beautiful women on their roster.

"Hey. Show up at our office. Go on a 1-hour date. We'll pay you $20. "

That is way more than what many women earn in MDE for several hours. Plus they will get a nice cup of coffee or lunch or dinner from you. Then, they will go on to the next "date. "

I do not mean to be cynical. I am simply reporting what I saw.

[QUOTE=Robby Burns]I do not mean to be cynical. I am simply reporting what I saw.[/QUOTE]Robby, it's possible those assistants were just transcribing the letters; you'd be surprise how many colombians don't have the internet access and computers we take for granted.

Still, these agencies are at the very least partial scams; I'll grant a lot of the girls are probably paid a small sum of cash to be available for dates/outings/parties. For most guys, it's a waste of money, although I grant that for some men who are shy, inexperienced with foreign travel, don't know the language, etc., this might be a safe, acceptable option to meet foreign women.

But if you are the shy type who's not into the cold approaches that Ricker does, just do what I do. I have several colombian friends and when I hang out with them, go to house parties, clubs, bars, soccer games, outdoor fairs, fincas, etc. it's just amazing how easy it is to meet friendly attractive women. And you already have the "social proof" or "vouching" that your local friend automatically provides for you.

The disadvantage to this method is you often have to compete with other colombian men, including sometimes your friends, lol! But I speak the language well so I can hold my own. My problem is that when I'm alone I tend to revert back to my natural shy/reserved state so the cold approach like what Ricker did with the girl he met on the subway, I wouldn't be able to pull that off. You have to find a strategy that works for you.

In planning my trip to Medellin this winter I have joined an online service called Columbian cupid. I am not normally a cynical person but I do have a working bulls*%t meter. In the week and a half since joining I have traded letters with over a half dozen cute girls in the 21-30 age range, turned down talking with another half-dozen not-so-cute girls and had OVER 45 ladies of all looks and age show interest in my profile. All these girls seem genuine in their letters and do not have 'slick' professional profiles. They have real, self taken pics and are able to hold an interesting conversation, albit via translator.

As I am also doing the internet dating thing here in the ole USofA. In the last two months I have talked to less than half a dozen girls, mostly between 4-5 in looks and most overweight. I have been stood up once, brushed off once and had one real date that I later regretted. It's pretty bad when a girl can literally make a sailor blush with her conduct in public.

So my question is this: Is my experience on columbian cupid what can be expected for the gringo in Columbia? Is there REALLY that much of a difference in AW and CW? Or is 90% of the responses I am getting online scams (I. E. Working girls posing as civilians, girls wanting the green card, more nefarious criminal activity targeting gringos, etc?)

While the girls I converse with seem genuine, when compared with the typical AW response my BS meter starts pinging.

Thanks for the input guys.

[QUOTE=Strangeman]In planning my trip to Medellin this winter I have joined an online service called Columbian cupid. I am not normally a cynical person but I do have a working bulls*%t meter. In the week and a half since joining I have traded letters with over a half dozen cute girls in the 21-30 age range, turned down talking with another half-dozen not-so-cute girls and had OVER 45 ladies of all looks and age show interest in my profile. All these girls seem genuine in their letters and do not have 'slick' professional profiles. They have real, self taken pics and are able to hold an interesting conversation, albit via translator.

As I am also doing the internet dating thing here in the ole USofA. In the last two months I have talked to less than half a dozen girls, mostly between 4-5 in looks and most overweight. I have been stood up once, brushed off once and had one real date that I later regretted. It's pretty bad when a girl can literally make a sailor blush with her conduct in public.

So my question is this: Is my experience on columbian cupid what can be expected for the gringo in Columbia? Is there REALLY that much of a difference in AW and CW? Or is 90% of the responses I am getting online scams (I. E. Working girls posing as civilians, girls wanting the green card, more nefarious criminal activity targeting gringos, etc?)

While the girls I converse with seem genuine, when compared with the typical AW response my BS meter starts pinging.

Thanks for the input guys.[/QUOTE]About 2 years ago I got involved with a beauty from Colombia Cupid. She lives in BAQ and is a sweet honest woman.

Please stop dealing with 4 to 5's on a USA dating service who are fat. Do you hate yourself ? Really I am not kidding. Of course there will be Pro's and scammers on the Latin site, but that is the chance you take, but at least you will be with sharp looking woman,not Gringa pigs.

One of the ways the Colombian military got to and later ID'ed the body of FARC #2 Mono Jojoy is by way of a GPS chip that had been inserted into the heel of one of his boots.

While it was a very extensive operation involving about 70 aircraft and 800 assault troops the short version is that he was killed in the intial bombardment insde his bunker by smart bombs dropped from Super Tucano aircraft.

And here IMO, is one of the more interesting details of the operation: Mono Jojoy was diabetic. Colombian Intelligence learned that to relieve complications from his diabetes he regularly had custom boots made for him. So they infiltrated the calzado (shoemaker) link and had a GPS chip installed in one of his boots.

Not bad. I'm impressed.

Colombia! Always fascinating.

[QUOTE=Strangeman]In planning my trip to Medellin this winter I have joined an online service called Columbian cupid. I am not normally a cynical person but I do have a working bulls*%t meter. In the week and a half since joining I have traded letters with over a half dozen cute girls in the 21-30 age range, turned down talking with another half-dozen not-so-cute girls and had OVER 45 ladies of all looks and age show interest in my profile. All these girls seem genuine in their letters and do not have 'slick' professional profiles. They have real, self taken pics and are able to hold an interesting conversation, albit via translator.

As I am also doing the internet dating thing here in the ole USofA. In the last two months I have talked to less than half a dozen girls, mostly between 4-5 in looks and most overweight. I have been stood up once, brushed off once and had one real date that I later regretted. It's pretty bad when a girl can literally make a sailor blush with her conduct in public.

So my question is this: Is my experience on columbian cupid what can be expected for the gringo in Columbia? Is there REALLY that much of a difference in AW and CW? Or is 90% of the responses I am getting online scams (I. E. Working girls posing as civilians, girls wanting the green card, more nefarious criminal activity targeting gringos, etc?)

While the girls I converse with seem genuine, when compared with the typical AW response my BS meter starts pinging.

Thanks for the input guys.[/QUOTE]You need to upgrade your bullshit meter. Colombian women are very practical at the core, their cultured ways and good conversational skills notwithstanding. If you don't even speak the language you are at a MASSIVE disadvantage.

Ask yourself honestly, am I good looking? Am I good looking by Colombian standards (the bar is WAY higher here, in case you haven't noticed)? Can I dance? Can I dance by Colombian standards (unless it's a rocker chick, they care a lot about dancing)? How good is my Spanish? How good is my knowledge of local customs and culture?

As a sailor you've probably had lots of pussy so are good in bed, and considering the USD is still way overvalued, you have a big advantage in purchasing power here. But be honest with yourself about your disadvantages and be sure that the women are as much aware of them as you are and more.

[QUOTE=Vics Picks]About 2 years ago I got involved with a beauty from Colombia Cupid. She lives in BAQ and is a sweet honest woman.

Please stop dealing with 4 to 5's on a USA dating service who are fat. Do you hate yourself ? Really I am not kidding. Of course there will be Pro's and scammers on the Latin site, but that is the chance you take, but at least you will be with sharp looking woman,not Gringa pigs.[/QUOTE]"but at least you will be with sharp looking woman,not Gringa pigs."

I love it! LOL LOL LOL

Just thought I would throw this in to show there are exceptions if this does not turn out to the bait and switch. Too much of that shit in the US! Specially out of NY.

[QUOTE=Viajero]"but at least you will be with sharp looking woman,not Gringa pigs."

I love it! LOL LOL LOL[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Strangeman]So my question is this: Is my experience on columbian cupid what can be expected for the gringo in Columbia? Is there REALLY that much of a difference in AW and CW? Or is 90% of the responses I am getting online scams (I. E. Working girls posing as civilians, girls wanting the green card, more nefarious criminal activity targeting gringos, etc?)

While the girls I converse with seem genuine, when compared with the typical AW response my BS meter starts pinging.

Thanks for the input guys.[/QUOTE]My experience with the civilians is more based in Lima Peru, with the sister site Latinamericancupid. And always YMMV. But keeping that in mind and that I have also easily gotten a few dates with sincere, attractive Paisas as well without putting much time into it. My answer is YES, there is that big of a difference! I am 46 yo and though I look late 30s and have a pleasant face and smile and am reasonably fit, I find I have zero to offer the gringas and vice versa. A recent venture onto OKCupid here in the northeast US has been a total bust despite my best effort.

Meanwhile when in Lima. I've been there many times over the past decade. I have no problem getting tons of dates with decently attractive sincere (mostly) women from their mid twenties to mid thirties via latincupid. Getting dates has been dead simple, how many you actually bang depends on many factors, your level of game, attractiveness, standards, etc. My own score rate has never been that high but my last Lima trip ended with a memorable wild night in the arms of a 28 year old lovely (7. 5 face, 8 body, 9 smile and personality). Just as I have tapped her pussy she has tapped my wallet a bit, there is of course almost always a financial aspect as these women, typically they are low paid office workers, just don't have much dinero and they can be SO appreciative of a little financial help especially if they have a bebe or two to support.

To sum, the combination of a bit of generosity and just being a pleasant sincere guy (I always tell them up front I am not looking to be serious or have a long-distance relationship, but just am looking to meet nice people) and decent spanish and willingness to go out dancing can go a long way. I do speak very good spanish which is a huge asset for me.

As far as MDE my upcoming trips will be brief, and GFE has been for me so good with the Paisa prepagos that for efficiency sake if nothing else I am probably going to stick with the pros there at least for the most part, they treat me so good!

Sofia Vergara was recently chosen no. 1 in this category with good reason.

[QUOTE=NYC Expat]Sofia Vergara was recently chosen no. 1 in this category with good reason.[/QUOTE]Not a bad looking woman, contact info? LOL

Yes I am a sick pup, but it doesn't hurt to ask.

One time a famous Mansion Chica (name withheld to protect her future earning capabilitys) arrived in Mayorista and I took her for 30K and even with my limited Spanish it became a TLN.

So if the famous and drop dead beautiful Sofia Verara parks her butt in Mayorista I may even splurge a little and offer her 50k

Thats what dreams are made of.

BTW, as I write this little piece of nonsence, I am waiting in FLL for my flight to MDE. I should in action by this afternoon. Reports to follow as always.

Question for the bi-lingual mongers here. I am lining up a few girls online for my arrival in Colombia and use an online translator to chat with them. They often use the word "claro" which translates literally as sky light. But based on the context of how they use it, I think it is meant to be roughly the equivalent of saying "Exactly! " in English when you agree with someone. Can anyone confirm or elaborate on how this word is used?

Thanks

One of the few spanish words I know - i believe it translates to "sure", as in "Sure I'll fuck you senseless."

[QUOTE=Strangeman]Question for the bi-lingual mongers here. I am lining up a few girls online for my arrival in Colombia and use an online translator to chat with them. They often use the word "claro" which translates literally as sky light. But based on the context of how they use it, I think it is meant to be roughly the equivalent of saying "Exactly! " in English when you agree with someone. Can anyone confirm or elaborate on how this word is used?

Thanks[/QUOTE]You are correct, it is similar to us saying "exactly", "for sure", some people will use it instead of an affirmative "yes".

[QUOTE=Strangeman]Question for the bi-lingual mongers here. I am lining up a few girls online for my arrival in Colombia and use an online translator to chat with them. They often use the word "claro" which translates literally as sky light. But based on the context of how they use it, I think it is meant to be roughly the equivalent of saying "Exactly! " in English when you agree with someone. Can anyone confirm or elaborate on how this word is used?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Yes in the the Latino Spanish language it is used to (reaffirm, agree, for sure) with you.

[QUOTE=Strangeman]Question for the bi-lingual mongers here. I am lining up a few girls online for my arrival in Colombia and use an online translator to chat with them. They often use the word "claro" which translates literally as sky light. But based on the context of how they use it, I think it is meant to be roughly the equivalent of saying "Exactly! " in English when you agree with someone. Can anyone confirm or elaborate on how this word is used?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Very simple. It means "of course".

[QUOTE=Strangeman]Question for the bi-lingual mongers here. I am lining up a few girls online for my arrival in Colombia and use an online translator to chat with them. They often use the word "claro" which translates literally as sky light. But based on the context of how they use it, I think it is meant to be roughly the equivalent of saying "Exactly! " in English when you agree with someone. Can anyone confirm or elaborate on how this word is used?

Thanks[/QUOTE]I always thought it meant I am clear on that. Exactly is right also.

Claro, short for claro que sí, means "of course"

Man, you guys are really splitting the atom today. My brain hurts. WTF?

[QUOTE=Strangeman]Question for the bi-lingual mongers here. I am lining up a few girls online for my arrival in Colombia and use an online translator to chat with them. They often use the word "claro" which translates literally as sky light. But based on the context of how they use it, I think it is meant to be roughly the equivalent of saying "Exactly! " in English when you agree with someone. Can anyone confirm or elaborate on how this word is used?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Skylight? What dictionary are you using?

Claro: clear. like "clearly so" or "of course".

[quote=chesrep001]claro, short for claro que sí, means "of course"[/quote]the most literal and comun meaning. with a bit of empahsis, it also can mean "obviously" and is often used intead of "de acuerdo" or "estoy de acuerdo" meaning- i agree.

just very sublte differences, but basically "of course" nails it.

[QUOTE=Strangeman]Question for the bi-lingual mongers here. I am lining up a few girls online for my arrival in Colombia and use an online translator to chat with them. They often use the word "claro" which translates literally as sky light. But based on the context of how they use it, I think it is meant to be roughly the equivalent of saying "Exactly! " in English when you agree with someone. Can anyone confirm or elaborate on how this word is used?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Strangeman,

Heck, any stooge knows the answer to that.

Claro! = Soitenly!

Cheers,

Cubanut

[QUOTE=Strangeman]Question for the bi-lingual mongers here. I am lining up a few girls online for my arrival in Colombia and use an online translator to chat with them. They often use the word "claro" which translates literally as sky light. But based on the context of how they use it, I think it is meant to be roughly the equivalent of saying "Exactly! " in English when you agree with someone. Can anyone confirm or elaborate on how this word is used?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Below descriptions accurate but even easier.

It means "Yes, clearly."

[QUOTE=Concarne]Below descriptions accurate but even easier.

It means "Yes, clearly."[/QUOTE]Ok Ok. Enough of the "claro" definitions.

I think we all get it by now.

What does "basta" mean? Jejeje

[QUOTE=Strangeman]Question for the bi-lingual mongers here. I am lining up a few girls online for my arrival in Colombia and use an online translator to chat with them. They often use the word "claro" which translates literally as sky light. But based on the context of how they use it, I think it is meant to be roughly the equivalent of saying "Exactly! " in English when you agree with someone. Can anyone confirm or elaborate on how this word is used?[/QUOTE]"Claro" is a shortened version of "Claramente" in this context, which, as others have noted, means "clearly so" or "certainly" or "of course" or "sure" and sometimes "I agree". Sr. Strangeman, this is a phrase that you want to hear often from the ladies you are in contact with. On the other hand, if you get "Hay No! " (pronounced "eye no! ", usually with great emphasis) you could take that to have rather a negative connotation. Perhaps not what you were hoping to hear.

But I like Biffa's answer best.

[QUOTE=Cubanut]Strangeman,

Heck, any stooge knows the answer to that.

Claro! = Soitenly!

Cheers,

Cubanut[/QUOTE]I concur.

Soitenly is the official definition I've recognized for years.

Cubanut is correct.

Schwmm

I feel nuance of "sure" or "of course".

[QUOTE=Concarne]Below descriptions accurate but even easier.

It means "Yes, clearly."[/QUOTE]

On the subject of Non pros, I always thought that by me actually checking out where they are working I would assure myself that they were not pros.

Yesterday in Mde while

I was looking to get a haircut I see a woman cutting hair who is a regular weekend Puta in Mayorista.

So much for being a Dick Tracy.

I once read on this board that 90% of the lower class girls in Colombia can be had for money. I for one can not fault that statement.

So I guess that if you like a non pro /Puta, catch her when she is on the street. It will be much cheaper. LOL

Hey guys,

I would rather stay in apartament or studio instead of a hotel.

I have had some exchanges with places I have found in the web and on lists here. At least a couple of the places have left me wondering if I am not in for some kind of ripoff.

Does anyone know of a thread that details which places are BS or people not to do biz with?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Concarne]Hey guys,

I would rather stay in apartament or studio instead of a hotel.

I have had some exchanges with places I have found in the web and on lists here. At least a couple of the places have left me wondering if I am not in for some kind of ripoff.

Does anyone know of a thread that details which places are BS or people not to do biz with?

Thanks![/QUOTE]Concarne,

I myself prefer apartments instead of hotels. Hotels get in your business too much. They treat every girl you bring to the hotel like she's a prostitute even your non pro novia. Apartments are like your own home. When the girl comes over security calls you and if you say send her up they will without questions. I have rented from Andrew at [url]http://www.theapartmentmedellin.com[/url] several times and have never had a problem. I'm from the New York area so I don't consider Andrew's rates of $75-140 a night pricey like some guys. There are cheaper places but all of Andrew's apartments are in the safest part of town, have free internet, good security in the building and come with a cellphone. I splurged on my June trip and rented Penthouse 1408 for $120 a night for a week. What a panty dropping crib! The first level has a half bath, kitchen & living room with a home theater. The second level is the loft master bedroom with a 50 inch flat screen. The shower is huge and has 2 shower heads in the ceiling. The third level is the private roof deck with a jacuzzi and a barbeque grill. I had a good time in there. I fucked 5 Romance Latina girls (Bibiana & Paula twice each, Angie, Sara Julieth & Estefania) during my one week stay. I hope they changed the sheets. If not there is a washing machine.

[QUOTE=Maidenkj]Concarne,

I myself prefer apartments instead of hotels. Hotels get in your business too much. They treat every girl you bring to the hotel like she's a prostitute even your non pro novia. Apartments are like your own home. When the girl comes over security calls y& Estefania) during my one week stay. I hope they changed the sheets. If not there is a washing machine.[/QUOTE]Hey thanks for the info! I will keep it handy, sure sounds like the penthouse is the way to go.

Unfortunately this upcoming trip is to Bogota, so right now I am more in need of info for that city. MDE soon, hopefully next year.

Guys just looking for some feedback. I have been a member here for 9 years just had to change handles cause the old wife kept finding me here.

I have always been an asianphile been to Thailand China and the Philipines more than 20 times. LOVE the Asians and now I live with an educated sexxy ex Colombian, now Canadian.

She is gorgeous and the most erotic women I have ever met and is an ex Lawyer so not a dummy either.

She is ready willing and able (so she says) to engage in all my desires, I have told her at length about my trips to asia, all the things indeed and she craves a 3 some as much as I do, we discuss its constantly when we make love and when we are just sitting.

I ask those with more experience is this a trap? We are living together and making a life in Canada with our kids so all is sincere.

We are travelling soon to Colombia and she is a little concerned the Colombia girls will all want me and steal me. I am no catch I assure u.

Comments are welcome as I am begining to leanr about Columbian women now.

PP

Ok, I've read the forum and need a few questions answered regarding hotels. Medellin has the Hotel Botero Plaza, it has a great location. Is it girl friendly? Is there a better option in the same area?

Bogota, Hotel El Virrey has a decent location and good price. Is it girl friendly? Is the Hotel San Francisco a better option? I have points I could use for the Crowne Plaza, can you get a girl in there? I don't plan on spending a lot of time in the hotel and don't really need one that nice and I have heard it needs updated. True? Is there a girl friendly, quiet, comfortable, hotel in the 60k to 120k range in that area?

I've stayed at the Hotel Botero Plaza a couple of times. Didnt really like the place, its kind of a scrufty-old hotel. I believe its chica friendly.

My preference is the Hotel Nutibara, which is close by. In the same price range, nicer and is chica friendly for the first 2 hours.

But the Nutibara has a pool, sauna and steam baths. Plus has a great breakfast every day.

[QUOTE=Doubt98]Ok, I've read the forum and need a few questions answered regarding hotels. Medellin has the Hotel Botero Plaza, it has a great location. Is it girl friendly? Is there a better option in the same area?
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Doubt98]Ok, I've read the forum and need a few questions answered regarding hotels. Medellin has the Hotel Botero Plaza, it has a great location. Is it girl friendly? Is there a better option in the same area?

Bogota, Hotel El Virrey has a decent location and good price. Is it girl friendly? Is the Hotel San Francisco a better option? I have points I could use for the Crowne Plaza, can you get a girl in there? I don't plan on spending a lot of time in the hotel and don't really need one that nice and I have heard it needs updated. True? Is there a girl friendly, quiet, comfortable, hotel in the 60k to 120k range in that area?[/QUOTE]I have been told by a couple of posters that the El Virrey is indeed chica friendly. I have not stayed there yet but that is the plan for my upcoming trip if my plans to secure an apt fall by the wayside.

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder]Guys just looking for some feedback. I have been a member here for 9 years just had to change handles cause the old wife kept finding me here.

I have always been an asianphile been to Thailand China and the Philipines more than 20 times. LOVE the Asians and now I live with an educated sexxy ex Colombian, now Canadian.

She is gorgeous and the most erotic women I have ever met and is an ex Lawyer so not a dummy either.

She is ready willing and able (so she says) to engage in all my desires, I have told her at length about my trips to asia, all the things indeed and she craves a 3 some as much as I do, we discuss its constantly when we make love and when we are just sitting.

I ask those with more experience is this a trap? We are living together and making a life in Canada with our kids so all is sincere.

We are travelling soon to Colombia and she is a little concerned the Colombia girls will all want me and steal me. I am no catch I assure u.

Comments are welcome as I am begining to leanr about Columbian women now.

PP[/QUOTE]I would rather define "claro" a few dozen times more.

I hope you understand.

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder]Guys just looking for some feedback. I have been a member here for 9 years just had to change handles cause the old wife kept finding me here.

I have always been an asianphile been to Thailand China and the Philipines more than 20 times. LOVE the Asians and now I live with an educated sexxy ex Colombian, now Canadian.

She is gorgeous and the most erotic women I have ever met and is an ex Lawyer so not a dummy either.

She is ready willing and able (so she says) to engage in all my desires, I have told her at length about my trips to asia, all the things indeed and she craves a 3 some as much as I do, we discuss its constantly when we make love and when we are just sitting.

I ask those with more experience is this a trap? We are living together and making a life in Canada with our kids so all is sincere.

We are travelling soon to Colombia and she is a little concerned the Colombia girls will all want me and steal me. I am no catch I assure u.

Comments are welcome as I am begining to leanr about Columbian women now.

PP[/QUOTE][QUOTE=LuckyEddie]I would rather define "claro" a few dozen times more.

I hope you understand.[/QUOTE]Now that was one FUNNY response LuckyEd!

I too loved the "claro" debate.

As far as this other guy's post goes. Que?

[QUOTE=Doubt98]Bogota, Hotel El Virrey has a decent location and good price. Is it girl friendly?[/QUOTE]El Virrey is my hotel of choice in Bogota. When I can get a room that is. They are always full so most definitely make reservations in advance. I have walked up in there plenty of times without a reservation and ended up having to go to another place. Last time a taxi driver out front took me to Hotel La Sabana [url]http://www.Hotellasabana.com/[/url] Calle 23 5-23 phone: 284-4830. It is actually rated above El Virrey and they are about the same price. I highly recommend it.

As far as girl friendly. I think all hotels are girl friendly. Although I have never taken a pro to my hotel because I only monger in Santa Fe, I have taken many non-pros. It's just that the Colombia way is that you have to pay by the person for a room unless it is some monger setup like The Mansion. Once two wingmen and I stayed in a hotel in Bogota for 1 night while we waited our flight to Cali the next morning. We called ourselves getting a triple room so we could save money. Well it ended up costing the same as 3 separate single rooms would have.

Is it me or are these chicks not putting out on the first couple of dates like they used to? I just came in from a date with a chick who I met online a loooonnng time ago. It was our first time meeting in person. First of all chicks here always want to know where you are staying then they want to meet you at the hotel. I don't get that part either. In most other places the first thing chicks holler is, "I'm not going to your hotel. "

Well anyway she asked me to pay for the taxi from her house to my hotel. I agreed. I was the one who asked her to come anyway. We went out for pizza. We rode around so much with her not knowing where the pizza place was that the taxi ended up costing me 20, 000 (that included the 6, 000 from her house to the hotel.) We were very caring together holding hands and kissing and whatnot, but I was sure that she was not going to give anything up. And I don't know about you guys but I am about at my wits end with spending money with these non-pros and they are not putting out.

So I was ready to ask for the bill when she asked, "Can I get something for my sons first? " I told her no. Her mouth dropped. She asked why. I kept telling her because I said no. After she asked a few more times I said, "Because it is my money. " I had to explain to her that it is really bad manners to ask a man who is out with you to buy something for your kids or anyone who is not present with the two of you.

She said, "But if you asked for something for your daughter I would. " I told her first of all my daughter is not your responsibility so I would never ask you to buy anything for her especially when you have never met her. I said by the same token your sons are not my responsibility. That is just downright bad manners. She said but I told them I would bring them something. I said that is fine but you should not expect me to pay for what you told them you would bring.

So she went all into cultural issues. I told her that culture has nothing to do with it. The only reason any man in any culture would agree to that is because he was trying to fuck you. And since I was pretty much sure there would be no fucking going on between us tonight I feel that I can be upfront with you and teach you that you should never ask a man to buy something for your kids if he does not know them.

I told her furthermore you never know how much money a man has. Maybe he only has enough for you and him. She said but then he would say he does not have enough. I said no he would not because he has pride and besides that he still wants to fuck you. I asked her to just please do me the favor and never ask any man to buy something for someone he has not invited out with you two. I am pretty sure that she still does not understand my point. But this is Colombia; it's not an option. It comes with the package.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Is it me or are these chicks not putting out on the first couple of dates like they used to? I just came in from a date with a chick who I met online a loooonnng time ago. It was our first time meeting in person. First of all chicks here always want to know where you are staying then they want to meet you at the hotel. I don't get that part either. In most other places the first thing chicks holler is, "I'm not going to your hotel. "

Well anyway she asked me to pay for the taxi from her house to my hotel. I agreed. I was the one who asked her to come anyway. We went out for pizza. We rode around so much with her not knowing where the pizza place was that the taxi ended up costing me 20, 000 (that included the 6, 000 from her house to the hotel.) We were very caring together holding hands and kissing and whatnot, but I was sure that she was not going to give anything up. And I don't know about you guys but I am about at my wits end with spending money with these non-pros and they are not putting out.

So I was ready to ask for the bill when she asked, "Can I get something for my sons first? " I told her no. Her mouth dropped. She asked why. I kept telling her because I said no. After she asked a few more times I said, "Because it is my money. " I had to explain to her that it is really bad manners to ask a man who is out with you to buy something for your kids or anyone who is not present with the two of you.

She said, "But if you asked for something for your daughter I would. " I told her first of all my daughter is not your responsibility so I would never ask you to buy anything for her especially when you have never met her. I said by the same token your sons are not my responsibility. That is just downright bad manners. She said but I told them I would bring them something. I said that is fine but you should not expect me to pay for what you told them you would bring.

So she went all into cultural issues. I told her that culture has nothing to do with it. The only reason any man in any culture would agree to that is because he was trying to fuck you. And since I was pretty much sure there would be no fucking going on between us tonight I feel that I can be upfront with you and teach you that you should never ask a man to buy something for your kids if he does not know them.

I told her furthermore you never know how much money a man has. Maybe he only has enough for you and him. She said but then he would say he does not have enough. I said no he would not because he has pride and besides that he still wants to fuck you. I asked her to just please do me the favor and never ask any man to buy something for someone he has not invited out with you two. I am pretty sure that she still does not understand my point. But this is Colombia; it's not an option. It comes with the package.[/QUOTE]I agree for the most part (BAD MANNERS) If we are eating something cheap like a hot dog, chuzo or hamburger ill even ask her if she wants to take one back to the kid or (novio, lol) it does seem more prevalent in the lower estrato girls seeming they are more desperate. I always give the taxi pesos no matter what, i figure a girl gets all dolled up in her sunday best to see you, its the least you can do to try and get some poontang.. I as well found it strange that the women were always willing to come to the Hotel or Apartment though sometimes time they wanted to bring a lady friend which i didnt mind too much because 1/2 the time was hotter than my date and like magic I have 2 numbers now lol. What signs did you get that you weren't getting any that a few good tragos de ron o guaro couldn't rectify? lol

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Is it me or are these chicks not putting out on the first couple of dates like they used to? I just came in from a date with a chick who I met online a loooonnng time ago. It was our first time meeting in person. First of all chicks here always want to know where you are staying then they want to meet you at the hotel. I don't get that part either. In most other places the first thing chicks holler is, "I'm not going to your hotel. "

Well anyway she asked me to pay for the taxi from her house to my hotel. I agreed. I was the one who asked her to come anyway. We went out for pizza. We rode around so much with her not knowing where the pizza place was that the taxi ended up costing me 20, 000 (that included the 6, 000 from her house to the hotel.) We were very caring together holding hands and kissing and whatnot, but I was sure that she was not going to give anything up. And I don't know about you guys but I am about at my wits end with spending money with these non-pros and they are not putting out.

So I was ready to ask for the bill when she asked, "Can I get something for my sons first? " I told her no. Her mouth dropped. She asked why. I kept telling her because I said no. After she asked a few more times I said, "Because it is my money. " I had to explain to her that it is really bad manners to ask a man who is out with you to buy something for your kids or anyone who is not present with the two of you.

She said, "But if you asked for something for your daughter I would. " I told her first of all my daughter is not your responsibility so I would never ask you to buy anything for her especially when you have never met her. I said by the same token your sons are not my responsibility. That is just downright bad manners. She said but I told them I would bring them something. I said that is fine but you should not expect me to pay for what you told them you would bring.

So she went all into cultural issues. I told her that culture has nothing to do with it. The only reason any man in any culture would agree to that is because he was trying to fuck you. And since I was pretty much sure there would be no fucking going on between us tonight I feel that I can be upfront with you and teach you that you should never ask a man to buy something for your kids if he does not know them.

I told her furthermore you never know how much money a man has. Maybe he only has enough for you and him. She said but then he would say he does not have enough. I said no he would not because he has pride and besides that he still wants to fuck you. I asked her to just please do me the favor and never ask any man to buy something for someone he has not invited out with you two. I am pretty sure that she still does not understand my point. But this is Colombia; it's not an option. It comes with the package.[/QUOTE]I do see you point sir, it is a bit forward or bold of her to ask you for a treat for her son but on the other side of the coin; you could say that you blew a shot at this PYT at the cost of a $7UDS plain cheese pizza.

What is the old expression. "more flies with honey than vinegar"?

IMO: If you would have been more positive minded about this, more "happy-fun-generous-party guy" then "tight fisted.selfish-only looking to F*ck me-Gringo" things might have turned out better. You went from having a nice, fun, relaxed date to a heated, tense, debate about manners. All for a $7 pizza. It's not like she asked you to buy a $200bottle of Vodka at the club for her and her girlfriends.

You could have been like "Oh I'm having problems with the ATM so I can't right now" or a number of reasons.

Most importantly her perception of you has changed; from Cool-Guy to Never-going to-sleep with him ever-Guy.

I have learned that the quickest way to a girls heart(Pussy, moth, and booty hole if that's you thing) is:

1) Dancing 2) Don't be cheap/Don't appear cheap 3) Get her kids on your side or show you're cool with her kids even if you're not.

Just my two cents. When trying to pick up chicks(Foreign and or Domestic) keep it positive. Positive energy and attitude. If you get all defensive and combative you'll be enjoying your plain cheese pizza by yourself after you wank one out instead of cleaning up your load off of her back! LOL!

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Is it me or are these chicks not putting out on the first couple of dates like they used to? I just came in from a date with a chick who I met online a loooonnng time ago. It was our first time meeting in person. First of all chicks here always want to know where you are staying then they want to meet you at the hotel. I don't get that part either. In most other places the first thing chicks holler is, "I'm not going to your hotel. "

Well anyway she asked me to pay for the taxi from her house to my hotel. I agreed. I was the one who asked her to come anyway. We went out for pizza. We rode around so much with her not knowing where the pizza place was that the taxi ended up costing me 20, 000 (that included the 6, 000 from her house to the hotel.) We were very caring together holding hands and kissing and whatnot, but I was sure that she was not going to give anything up. And I don't know about you guys but I am about at my wits end with spending money with these non-pros and they are not putting out.

So I was ready to ask for the bill when she asked, "Can I get something for my sons first? " I told her no. Her mouth dropped. She asked why. I kept telling her because I said no. After she asked a few more times I said, "Because it is my money. " I had to explain to her that it is really bad manners to ask a man who is out with you to buy something for your kids or anyone who is not present with the two of you.

She said, "But if you asked for something for your daughter I would. " I told her first of all my daughter is not your responsibility so I would never ask you to buy anything for her especially when you have never met her. I said by the same token your sons are not my responsibility. That is just downright bad manners. She said but I told them I would bring them something. I said that is fine but you should not expect me to pay for what you told them you would bring.

So she went all into cultural issues. I told her that culture has nothing to do with it. The only reason any man in any culture would agree to that is because he was trying to fuck you. And since I was pretty much sure there would be no fucking going on between us tonight I feel that I can be upfront with you and teach you that you should never ask a man to buy something for your kids if he does not know them.

I told her furthermore you never know how much money a man has. Maybe he only has enough for you and him. She said but then he would say he does not have enough. I said no he would not because he has pride and besides that he still wants to fuck you. I asked her to just please do me the favor and never ask any man to buy something for someone he has not invited out with you two. I am pretty sure that she still does not understand my point. But this is Colombia; it's not an option. It comes with the package.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update on cultural differences. However, I am not sure if it is truely cultural but a woman that really knows how to play the game. I don't know of any culture that really has expectations like what you described. If we were to give it a name I suppose it would be the Puta culture.

I have had limited experience with online hook ups but none like what you illustrated. Maybe she was not the non-pro she professed to be?

[quote=cubfan1963]thanks for the update on cultural differences. however, i am not sure if it is truely cultural but a woman that really knows how to play the game. i don't know of any culture that really has expectations like what you described. if we were to give it a name i suppose it would be the puta culture.

i have had limited experience with online hook ups but none like what you illustrated. maybe she was not the non-pro she professed to be?[/quote]cultural differences my ass. no self-respecting colombian man would be caught dead supporting a kid he knew wasn't his, nor would he get any respect from his peers if he were idiot enough to do so.

it's traditional for a man to pay for dates here but very very bad form for a woman to accept gifts and meals etc from a guy if she's not romantically interested in him. if she has no intentions of being more than friends she should be going dutch. actually, even in romantic situations with women here they often contribute to the cause as well. one girl lives out of town so when i would visit her i'd pay my transport and the room and she'd pay for taxis and food etc.

[QUOTE=Cubfan1963]Thanks for the update on cultural differences. However, I am not sure if it is truely cultural but a woman that really knows how to play the game. I don't know of any culture that really has expectations like what you described. If we were to give it a name I suppose it would be the Puta culture.

I have had limited experience with online hook ups but none like what you illustrated. Maybe she was not the non-pro she professed to be?[/QUOTE]I don't really think a Colombiana asking for a cheap pizza for her kid(s) at home is 'playing the game' or part of a 'Puta culture'.

It's just a poor single mom wanting to bring something different home for her kids to eat. She wasn't asking for anything extraordinary really.

I personally don't find it a big deal and I wouldn't have lectured her on it, the poor chica probably has a hard enough life as it is.

To each their own though, we all have our own tolerances. I find it much easier to help out a chica when she's asking for her kids.

[QUOTE=Slamcity7777]Just my two cents. When trying to pick up chicks(Foreign and or Domestic) keep it positive. Positive energy and attitude. If you get all defensive and combative you'll be enjoying your plain cheese pizza by yourself after you wank one out instead of cleaning up your load off of her back! LOL![/QUOTE]Right on amigo! I'm into the school of positivity too.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]So I was ready to ask for the bill when she asked, "Can I get something for my sons first? " I told her no. Her mouth dropped. She asked why. I kept telling her because I said no. After she asked a few more times I said, "Because it is my money. " I had to explain to her that it is really bad manners to ask a man who is out with you to buy something for your kids or anyone who is not present with the two of you.[/QUOTE]There's a lot of good responses to this already but here's a few more thoughts:

1) It's possible some of these low-estrata girls are a bit "inculta" about these dating niceties. The ideology of much of the colombian poor is "nothing asked is nothing gained," especially when it comes to interacting with the gringo or richer colombianos.

2) Stop arguing with the girls. I mean it. Just stop. :) It's completely pointless and a waste of time, it will accomplish absolutely nothing. If a typical colombiana thinks the sky is green, there is no argument or point in the world that exists that can convince her otherwise. Doesn't matter if she's estrata 1 or 6, they're ALL flaky like that! So don't even try, it only pisses her off even more; conserve your time and energy.

3) Instead of arguing with logic which almost NEVER works with colombianas, fight fire with fire, or in this case, bullshit with bullshit. If you're really interested in seeing her again, come up with any excuse to dangle her along. Tell her you'd be more than happy to buy her son a gift once your Colombian friend pays back the money he owes you "mañana." The next time you see her, tell her your card is not working. And after that, maybe your cell phone got stolen, lol! "Que pena contigo pero [insert bs story here]" is your friend. Just like the locals do, use it every single day in Colombia!!

One of us here has to "take one for the team" and use the "indecent proposal" strategy. It's something I've been thinking about as I lose patience with putting up with the flakes and the bs. It's always about these chicas putting us on the spot. Wouldn't it be fun to turn the situation around and place the pressure right back on them? ;) You want a gift? Sure, come back to my place and the happier you make me, the bigger the gift for your kid/mom/sister/cousin blah, blah. I'm sure most chicas would be shocked and run away, but at least you save your time (and possibly money depending how they react) and you get them to show their true colors one way or the other. I know that seems very jerk-like behavior but this is Colombia, it's a man's world, you can get away with saying almost anything as long as you're not being sexually explicit with what you think are non-pros. Remember that even with their local novios, sex can be somewhat of a "negocio" or transactional in nature. So if you have some cojones, push their annoying requests right back at them with your "special request."

I guess that I go through so many chicks and have had so many that think just because we are going out and doing something together that it entitles them to a shopping spree on me that I finally blew and had to tell them about themselves. And I find that the ones who are always begging for shit are the ones who are not going to fuck you. It's always the chicks who don't want anything but to spend time with you who have the best character and are going to give you a fucking of a lifetime.

I have made posts before about a girl in Cartagena who thought I was going to bring a Playstation 3 and countless games for her son (actually she did put out like a champ and all she wanted in the end with her full order of dick was a side order of patacones). Then there was the chick in Bogota who suckered me into taking her mom and adult son to dinner with us and afterward she wanted me to give her son money for his architecture supplies. Then the ones who wanted me to top up their phone. (Why the hell do you think I'm going to pay your phone bill for you to call another cat? I'll call you b*ch, you don't need to worry about calling me.) And who was that who went to Exito with the girl and her mom and they thought he was going to pay for the basket of shit that they just picked out?

See all you saw in the story from yesterday was the pizza. Sure it was just 8000 pesos for the pizza but all of this shit together has been brewing. That was just the straw that broke the camel's back. I just got fed up with the fighting fire with fire and beating around the bush thing and had to be direct. If it would not have been with her then it would have been with the next person.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]

As far as girl friendly. I think all hotels are girl friendly.[/QUOTE]Maybe most, but not all. In August I spent a night at Morrison Hotel Bogota - upscale and I enjoyed a night sleeping alone in a beautiful, immaculate and spacious room. But specific policy at this hotel forbids overnight guests for security reasons. Even if the policy was waived, or you took a girl up for a short time, you would have to walk your girl out after a session because one cannot exit via the elevators without the key card.

It was ok for me in this case as this was a stopover before returning home and I was tired and a bit mongered-out after two weeks on the prowl throughout Colombia that had ended with several days hobbying in Medellin..so I preferred to spend that evening resting and happily reliving my prior adventures in my mind rather than look for a final pull for the trip.

[QUOTE=Phunluv]2) Stop arguing with the girls. I mean it. Just stop. :) It's completely pointless and a waste of time, it will accomplish absolutely nothing.

... 3) Instead of arguing with logic which almost NEVER works with colombianas, fight fire with fire, or in this case, bullshit with bullshit. If you're really interested in seeing her again, come up with any excuse to dangle her along. Tell her you'd be more than happy to buy her son a gift once your Colombian friend pays back the money he owes you "mañana." The next time you see her, tell her your card is not working. And after that, maybe your cell phone got stolen, lol! "Que pena contigo pero [insert bs story here]" is your friend. Just like the locals do, use it every single day in Colombia!! ...[/QUOTE]Now this is great advice!! Guys, read it twice, learn it, practice it.

In Colombia, more than any other place I've ever hung out, the BS really flows, and the arguing and logic go out the window in most cases.

Have fun with it.

[quote=bango cheito]cultural differences my ass. no self-respecting colombian man would be caught dead supporting a kid he knew wasn't his, nor would he get any respect from his peers if he were idiot enough to do so.[/quote]really? really?

buying a pizza for a chica at the end of a meal to bring home to her kids?

wouldn't really consider that supporting a kid.

i highly doubt anyone would get shunned by his peers for this.

[quote=ricker]really? really?

buying a pizza for a chica at the end of a meal to bring home to her kids?

wouldn't really consider that supporting a kid.

i highly doubt anyone would get shunned by his peers for this.[/quote] ricker i am with you on this one.a small kind gesture that would have cost the guy less than 10 dollars.

Well, you do as you like, but with me theirs not bullshit. I normally always get along well with the girls, I do not play all those stuiped fucking games. Fuck that.

[QUOTE=Ricker]Now this is great advice!! Guys, read it twice, learn it, practice it.

In Colombia, more than any other place I've ever hung out, the BS really flows, and the arguing and logic go out the window in most cases.

Have fun with it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ricker]Now this is great advice!! Guys, read it twice, learn it, practice it.

In Colombia, more than any other place I've ever hung out, the BS really flows, and the arguing and logic go out the window in most cases.

Have fun with it.[/QUOTE]Ricker:

Agreed. This is good advice with the casual encounter which is the majority type on this board.

And I also liked the following from Phunluv's post:

[QUOTE=Phunluv] You want a gift? Sure, come back to my place and the happier you make me, the bigger the gift for your kid/mom/sister/cousin blah, blah. I'm sure most chicas would be shocked and run away, but at least you save your time (and possibly money depending how they react) and you get them to show their true colors one way or the other.[/QUOTE]That's a basic tenant of Negotiations 101: "If I do this favor for you, what will you do for me?"

Bingo! Door open.

(Not meant to be used in all situations; ie, with regular girls in potential long term relationships. But then again it's my experience with the regular girls I've dated that they would never make such a request.)

Good stuff.

All the best, Schwmm

[QUOTE=Phunluv]There's a lot of good responses to this already but here's a few more thoughts:

One of us here has to "take one for the team" and use the "indecent proposal" strategy. It's something I've been thinking about as I lose patience with putting up with the flakes and the bs. It's always about these chicas putting us on the spot. Wouldn't it be fun to turn the situation around and place the pressure right back on them? ;) You want a gift? Sure, come back to my place and the happier you make me, the bigger the gift for your kid/mom/sister/cousin blah, blah. I'm sure most chicas would be shocked and run away, but at least you save your time (and possibly money depending how they react) and you get them to show their true colors one way or the other. I know that seems very jerk-like behavior but this is Colombia, it's a man's world, you can get away with saying almost anything as long as you're not being sexually explicit with what you think are non-pros. Remember that even with their local novios, sex can be somewhat of a "negocio" or transactional in nature. So if you have some cojones, push their annoying requests right back at them with your "special request."[/QUOTE]Evertyhing you wrote here sounds so rigth.

I am volunteering to put in practice your last suggestion.

Will come back with a report and pics in a few weeks!

Could be ugly! LOL

[quote=ricker]really? really?

buying a pizza for a chica at the end of a meal to bring home to her kids?

wouldn't really consider that supporting a kid.

i highly doubt anyone would get shunned by his peers for this.[/quote]no local would put up with that kinda fucking shit from a woman. not even if you had a kept woman. if a guy here has money to burn and is really a sap he may do nice shit for a girl's family and such, but no girl would even think of hitting a guy up for something like that. as a matter of fact, the only times i hear of such a thing happening here in colombia there is always a foreigner in the mix.

my personal rule, i hate going dutch, i don't even do it with me friends, but i expect any girl i'm going out with the contribute to the festivities with something material. if we're gonna make use of the apartment i pay rent on to fuck in, the least she could do is show up with a bottle of apple wine or something. :p

and never ever ever straight up give money to a girl apart from the actual expenses of going out. if she wants to fuck for money she can cut a deal with me like any other ho so we both know what we're getting out of it, end of story. the only circumstance where a girl should be getting money like that is if she has had your baby.

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]NO local would put up with that kinda fucking shit from a woman. Not even if you had a kept woman. If a guy here has money to burn and is really a sap he may do nice shit for a girl's family and such, but no girl would even THINK of hitting a guy up for something like that. As a matter of fact, the only times I hear of such a thing happening here in Colombia there is ALWAYS a foreigner in the mix.

My personal rule, I hate going dutch, I don't even do it with me friends, but I expect any girl I'm going out with the contribute to the festivities with something material. If we're gonna make use of the apartment I pay rent on to fuck in, the least she could do is show up with a bottle of apple wine or something. :P

And NEVER EVER EVER straight up give money to a girl apart from the actual expenses of going out. If she wants to fuck for money she can cut a deal with me like any other ho so we both know what we're getting out of it, end of story. The ONLY circumstance where a girl should be getting money like that is if she has had YOUR baby.[/QUOTE]If im eating a cheeseburger, slice of pizza, hotdog or chuzo, I have no problem getting one for my chica's kid(if she has one) at home who maybe missed out on dinner, even 2 pieces, 1 for abuela watching the kid for us. Good gestures beget good gestures, Get more bees with honey than you do with salt. I'm not talking getting another entree from lleras and believe me nobody is getting over on me for this.

I have plenty of women come over and none of them came over with shit, lol but I dont mind that 1/2 the time im just happy that they showed up as fucking flaky these b1tches are!

Now giving money to these girls straight up? For what? Just because they asked? No Way, you will open a pandoras box you can never shut. I do though supply money for an occasional girl who I want to see and towards the end of the conversation finishes "i want to see you too, but I don't have any money for the taxi" Hey if a girls going to get all dolled up and get in a taxi to come see me in my apartment. what the F is measly 8-10mi to have a beautiful paisa sitting on my lap? If it early enough most of my girls will take the metro and then a cab from there.

We are not Colombians, we are gringos(most of us) We can be "somewhat generous" when applicable just be very clear of the line of "somewhat generous" and getting over, because some gringos have a hard time distinguishing and that's where the trouble starts.

[QUOTE=You Can]Well, you do as you like, but with me theirs not bullshit. I normally always get along well with the girls, I do not play all those stuiped fucking games. Fuck that.[/QUOTE]Well great, congratulations, I'm glad that works for you.

I too would love if everyone was just straight up, but in reality, especially with the young Colombianas, it just doesn't work like that.

There are good and serious chicas that I am sincere with, but with the flighty ones, I've learned to be flighty right back.

No lectures, no arguments, just playing the game.

It's easier, it's fun, it works and always with a smile.

Good luck Sgt Hulka

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]NO local would put up with that kinda fucking shit from a woman. Not even if you had a kept woman. If a guy here has money to burn and is really a sap he may do nice shit for a girl's family and such, but no girl would even THINK of hitting a guy up for something like that. As a matter of fact, the only times I hear of such a thing happening here in Colombia there is ALWAYS a foreigner in the mix.[/QUOTE]Yes, a Colombian guy will buy for his 'kept woman', jewelry, clothing, maybe a car, a nice apartment, etc, but God forbid she ask for a pizza for her kid.

I have had several married Colombian friends with their amantes on the side and these chicas always asked for things in their loving, flirting, sexy ways.

And was usually for much more than a pizza.

Big deal, IMO only, if a chica asks for something you either say yes or no. No anger needed, no lecture needed.

Just depends on the situation whether you buy or not.

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]NO local would put up with that kinda fucking shit from a woman. Not even if you had a kept woman. If a guy here has money to burn and is really a sap he may do nice shit for a girl's family and such, but no girl would even THINK of hitting a guy up for something like that. As a matter of fact, the only times I hear of such a thing happening here in Colombia there is ALWAYS a foreigner in the mix.[/QUOTE]Bengo:

While I agree with you that this is 100% true and I agree with Mr Ent's original reaction that it's bad manners I think the point raised in this discussion is that IF, the er, uhh, girl (to put it politely) has the nerve to make such a request than turn it on her! Play it and beat her at her own game.

An initial sexual romp for the price of a pizza? Veerry interesting.

All the best amigo!

Schwmm

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]If we're gonna make use of the apartment I pay rent on to fuck in, the least she could do is show up with a bottle of apple wine or something. :P [/QUOTE]Case in point. I am at my girl's house in Cali now. She is 28, no kids, has her own house. 3 bedroom, 2 bath. TVs in every room. Of course like every other place in Cali she does not have hot water. And me being North American, I totally detest showers in ice cold water. Yesterday we went to the mall and I bought an electric shower head. Before we went her neighbor made a list of the 3 things we needed to get and he would install it for free. (When I bought it the girl at the store also said someone could come out and install it for free. She gave me that info along with the warranty info.) I bought the most expensive one at 43K pesos. The wiring cost me 8K for 4 meters and the plug for the outlet was 1K. (He wanted to install it plug-in style although I would have just ran it to the wiring on the overhead light if I was doing it.) We came home and it took him a little over an hour to put it in at 10pm. (Next time I will surprise his 10 year old son with a remote control car.)

Today I will go and we will have a mirror cut for the bathroom. Right now she has this small mirror hanging where there is already a space cut for one 5 times the size. She doesn't even want the mirror. She said why do you need to see your whole body? But since I can stay here when I want and do not have to pay anything I am going to fix this place up and give it maximum comfort for us both.

Last night at the grocery store I spent 90K on groceries. Yesterday she cooked for me, but today is my day to show her how it is done. As a matter of fact she is washing my clothes right now and I am getting ready to make us a late breakfast. These are the kind of chicks that I don't mind spending money on. Ones who: 1. Don't ask and 2. Have potential. The other fly-by-night, needy, begging, too-good-for-the-bus-when-it's-your-money ones can go to hell. They are good for going out having a good time, and fucking, but as far as any other kind of anything (food for other family members, books, phone bills paid....) forget about it.

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]And NEVER EVER EVER straight up give money to a girl apart from the actual expenses of going out. If she wants to fuck for money she can cut a deal with me like any other ho so we both know what we're getting out of it, end of story. The ONLY circumstance where a girl should be getting money like that is if she has had YOUR baby.[/QUOTE]Exactly. I had a girl in Barranquilla who wanted me to give her money because her daughter needed books for school. She said that she tried getting a loan elsewhere but was not able to secure one. I suggested that she do a search and consult the child's father.

Whenever a non-pro tries to hit me up for money I explain to them straight up that they can be either a novia, which entitles them to certain privileges such as going out and having a good time together, taking trips, and spending quality time getting to know one another. Or they can be a hooker. I will give them money strictly for having sex, but there will be no other time spent together. I will only call them when I want sex.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]As a matter of fact she is washing my clothes right now and I am getting ready to make us a late breakfast.[/QUOTE]How do you get that petrified hard as a rock feeling out of that "line dried hung" clothes? lol I always bring many shirts a wear them a few times each because elegant cleaners on la 8ctava wanted something like 18k a shirt for cleaning. F that!

[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]We are not Colombians, we are gringos(most of us) We can be "somewhat generous" when applicable just be very clear of the line of "somewhat generous" and getting over, because some gringos have a hard
time distinguishing and that's where the trouble starts.[/QUOTE]It's one thing to be generous, that's all fine, it's another thing entirely when somebody EXPECTS it for you. That's just offensive, and the point I'm trying to make is that Colombia is NO different from North America in this regard. If you wouldn't do it in your hometown, you shouldn't do it here either.

The problems reported by both sides of the argument are all rooted in one issue: There are guys are mixing w****s and girlfriends in their lives and who they are talking about in this post.

My advice has always been: There are w****s and girlfriends and non the twain shall meet.

Forget the grey area in between.

H00ker: Go to the casa where the girl is obviously a puta and pay for sex - or take her out of a TLN - whatever, you know sho is a w***r - treat her like you would treat a w***e, have great sex, do your stuff - don't go down on her (the #1 thing guys who are trying to make w****s their girlfriends is buy the proostitute gifts and go down on her. WTF?? She is there to please you - that is her job) If she askes you for 5K for her son say "OK" and point to your dick.

Someone elasready suggested this in so many words but do you say this to a non pu**ta? If you follow the simple rule You don't have to - when you keep them seperate there is no offending anyone? Simple as.

Girlfriend: Get a non p*ta who actually has a verifiable job. The unemploymemnt rate for women is about 30% - that means about 70% of the women have jobs. This "working girl" is the girl you treat nice and buy pizza, buy gifts for, go down on , go to dinner, hang with the family. She won't ask for money or if she does it will be 1.) something legit or 2.) you will have offered before being asked.


If you follow this rule you will never have a problem. This is so obvious yet half you guys don't get it.

It's you guys who go out with w****s trying to make them girlfriends or semi girlfriends who are always in these types of situations. Why are you out in public with estrato 2 girls asking for money? Is she a street walker you took in? Did she just get done at thre strip club?

Know the diffference or at least make the difference happen.

JMHO

[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]I always bring many shirts a wear them a few times each because elegant cleaners on la 8ctava wanted something like 18k a shirt for cleaning. F that![/QUOTE]I love comparing the prices here with those back home. I thought I was going to buy a can of fruit cocktail the other night which costs 2K pesos back home. Here it was 18K. Then on the other hand I was able to buy cloves here for 1. 5K which goes for 20K back home.

I have met 4 women online in the last year from the valle region and they say they are going to Quito to work. My question is. None of these women were really marketable so is there colombianas working the casas there? I mean economically unless I am wrong legit jobs don't seem to be big in ecuador to entice them. I am trying to figure out if they are doing the out of eye type thing to save some duckets up.

[QUOTE=Trickbaby]I have met 4 women online in the last year from the valle region and they say they are going to Quito to work. My question is. None of these women were really marketable so is there colombianas working the casas there? I mean economically unless I am wrong legit jobs don't seem to be big in ecuador to entice them. I am trying to figure out if they are doing the out of eye type thing to save some duckets up.[/QUOTE]My best friends wife is from Quito and she complains to him how the country and city is being overrun by Colombians, they even have their own sections. There ARE many working in the casas there.

[QUOTE=Trickbaby]I have met 4 women online in the last year from the valle region and they say they are going to Quito to work. My question is. None of these women were really marketable so is there colombianas working the casas there? I mean economically unless I am wrong legit jobs don't seem to be big in ecuador to entice them. I am trying to figure out if they are doing the out of eye type thing to save some duckets up.[/QUOTE]How do you know whan a Colombian is lying? Their mouth is moving. The first problem here is you have no idea what is true or false with what they've said. I'd say they are getting leg up on saving some crickets because duckets are a dime a dozen in these parts, but I'm from a shanty town.

Does it really matter?

This one put a big smile on my face. Can't say that you're not right.

[QUOTE=LuckyEddie]How do you know whan a Colombian is lying? Their mouth is moving.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Trickbaby]I have met 4 women online in the last year from the valle region and they say they are going to Quito to work. My question is. None of these women were really marketable so is there colombianas working the casas there? I mean economically unless I am wrong legit jobs don't seem to be big in ecuador to entice them. I am trying to figure out if they are doing the out of eye type thing to save some duckets up.[/QUOTE]To answer your question I did meet some Colombianas working in the casas in Guayaquil. By that same token I have met Ecuadorians working in the spots in Peru.

From my logic if a person from one country can't get a job in their own country then how does a foreigner expect to go and immediately start working? It beats the hell out of me. But it seems to be working for them. I have an ex from Barranquilla who went to Caracas to do hair. My ex from Caracas went to Spain, back to Caracas, and is now in Curacao doing hair. I also have a friend from Medellin who has been working in a factory in Panama for the last few years. Then I have a friend from Lima who went to Barcelona to clean houses. I have no idea how this bullshit works.

[QUOTE=LuckyEddie]How do you know whan a Colombian is lying? Their mouth is moving. The first problem here is you have no idea what is true or false with what they've said. I'd say they are getting leg up on saving some crickets because duckets are a dime a dozen in these parts, but I'm from a shanty town.

Does it really matter?[/QUOTE]I know that you are trying to make a point but I think that is a bit harsh. All the columbians I ran into, pros and non-pros were very extremely friendly and straight up. No one lied to me about anything, minor or major. My experience is limited compared to some of you but I encountered way more BS stories in the US compared to Colombia.

I like your posts and I have respect for you as provider of excellent information, but my point of posting a rebuttal is that I do not want newbies getting the wrong impression about Colombians. There is enough unjustified negative publicity about Colombia already....

[QUOTE=LuckyEddie]How do you know whan a Colombian is lying? Their mouth is moving. [/QUOTE]I live in Colombia and you know what's funny? I've noticed that they only lie to people who lack personality.

If you dont think this could be said for any man or woman in any country, your only fooling yourself. I just go and enjoy myself where ever I am, and always had great times with the lady's, especially in Colombia. But I guess thats just because I treat all the girls with respect. Not like they owe me something.

[QUOTE=Paisalover]This one put a big smile on my face. Can't say that you're not right.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vitrea]I know that you are trying to make a point but I think that is a bit harsh. All the columbians I ran into, pros and non-pros were very extremely friendly and straight up. No one lied to me about anything, minor or major. My experience is limited compared to some of you but I encountered way more BS stories in the US compared to Colombia.

I like your posts and I have respect for you as provider of excellent information, but my point of posting a rebuttal is that I do not want newbies getting the wrong impression about Colombians. There is enough unjustified negative publicity about Colombia already....[/QUOTE]There are good and bad no matter where you are on the planet. Anyone who reads my joke and believes that ALL Colombians are liars probably will buy a bridge as well.

But take it to heart that lying is a huge part of the culture compared to other cultures.

For instance you have a date with one of your regulars - you usually take her out shoping then to dinner and then back to your place and at the end over pay her 10K cab fare with a 50K bill. But tonight she breaks plans and tells you her kid is sick or something like that but in reality one of her regular Johns is taking her and and few others to Mangos. She will dance all night with friends and have a better time than the mall and a restuarant in Lleras and she will walk with more money.

This is a normal lying situation anyone in her position would do - not a problem. The fact of the matter is she made a good business decision rather than lose a customer due to insult ("a better offer came along tonight"). Many of you guys may not realize this but you are looked at as an outsider a customer, not really part of her inner circle. Money being the same what 21 year old wants to sit accross from a foreigner she can't communicate with?

10 years ago there was no better offer, a lot less moneyed men picking up the bill at her disposal.

But Colombians feel the need to butter things up in an apparent effort to make the recipient of the lie feel better. It is somewhat humanitarian. The situation is that in other cultures the truth would have sufficed and is not all that bad. But for some reason the Colombian will opt for an unnecessary lie instead. This also will manifest itself in the shape of an impossible promise, one that the teller knows can never be fulfilled but it is the answer the listener wants to hear and is also a way of saving face and prerserving the pride of the teller - in that very moment - very big in Colombia.

To the guy with the Ecuador question: It is not easy to enter a 3rd world, high unemployment, impovershed country as a foreigner and just grab a regular job. Due to the geographics of the country (proximity to the Caribbean) Colombia's biggest export next to coke and flowers is prostitutes. Think about it - every Caribbean island or high traffic Central American brothal is loaded with Colombian prostitutes. how do you think you guys all decided to come to Colombia? Because you read an article about Pablo's grave? Studing Botero? There is a lot more work in Colombia, better economy, than in Ecuador - but Ecuador is close by as is Venezuela and the Caribbean and Costa Rica.

In Panama working in a factory? In Curacao doing hair? In the Caribbean working in a casino? I am skeptical but stranger things have happened.

Bottom line is that there is a great deal of lying above and beyond the norm. Especially to judgemental foreigners.

[QUOTE=Vitrea] All the columbians I ran into, pros and non-pros were very extremely friendly and straight up. No one lied to me about anything, minor or major. [/QUOTE]Ha Ha, you're kidding us right? I'm still trying to sense the sarcastic overtone in your post but am failing to do so. Of course you can never paint with the broadest brush in any culture but you never had a puta, "novia" at least tell you she had to leave because she has to "feed her baby" or she didn't pick up her cell phone because she "had no signal or her phone discharged" LOL Don't try and cover the sun with one finger. Its just reality.

[QUOTE=LuckyEddie]There are good and bad no matter where you are on the planet. Anyone who reads my joke and believes that ALL Colombians are liars probably will buy a bridge as well.

But take it to heart that lying is a huge part of the culture compared to other cultures.

For instance you have a date with one of your regulars - you usually take her out shoping then to dinner and then back to your place and at the end over pay her 10K cab fare with a 50K bill. But tonight she breaks plans and tells you her kid is sick or something like that but in reality one of her regular Johns is taking her and and few others to Mangos. She will dance all night with friends and have a better time than the mall and a restuarant in Lleras and she will walk with more money.

This is a normal lying situation anyone in her position would do - not a problem. The fact of the matter is she made a good business decision rather than lose a customer due to insult ("a better offer came along tonight"). Many of you guys may not realize this but you are looked at as an outsider a customer, not really part of her inner circle. Money being the same what 21 year old wants to sit accross from a foreigner she can't communicate with?

10 years ago there was no better offer, a lot less moneyed men picking up the bill at her disposal.

But Colombians feel the need to butter things up in an apparent effort to make the recipient of the lie feel better. It is somewhat humanitarian. The situation is that in other cultures the truth would have sufficed and is not all that bad. But for some reason the Colombian will opt for an unnecessary lie instead. This also will manifest itself in the shape of an impossible promise, one that the teller knows can never be fulfilled but it is the answer the listener wants to hear and is also a way of saving face and prerserving the pride of the teller - in that very moment - very big in Colombia.

To the guy with the Ecuador question: It is not easy to enter a 3rd world, high unemployment, impovershed country as a foreigner and just grab a regular job. Due to the geographics of the country (proximity to the Caribbean) Colombia's biggest export next to coke and flowers is prostitutes. Think about it - every Caribbean island or high traffic Central American brothal is loaded with Colombian prostitutes. how do you think you guys all decided to come to Colombia? Because you read an article about Pablo's grave? Studing Botero? There is a lot more work in Colombia, better economy, than in Ecuador - but Ecuador is close by as is Venezuela and the Caribbean and Costa Rica.

In Panama working in a factory? In Curacao doing hair? In the Caribbean working in a casino? I am skeptical but stranger things have happened.

Bottom line is that there is a great deal of lying above and beyond the norm. Especially to judgemental foreigners.[/QUOTE]A very nice analysis indeed. Agree with everything you said. It does boil down to culture. In many Latin american counties and several African and Asian countries a "lie" that does not harm or hurt the listener or that is not intended to harm or hurt the listener is not considered a lie...what we call in the west as a white lie. Having travelled extensively in these countries I understand that they mean no harm and I ignore them and I do not judge them by my perceived standards.

MHL, no, I was not being sarcastic :-)

[QUOTE=LuckyEddie]There are good and bad no matter where you are on the planet. Anyone who reads my joke and believes that ALL Colombians are liars probably will buy a bridge as well.

But take it to heart that lying is a huge part of the culture compared to other cultures ...

... But Colombians feel the need to butter things up in an apparent effort to make the recipient of the lie feel better. It is somewhat humanitarian.

... In Panama working in a factory? In Curacao doing hair? In the Caribbean working in a casino? I am skeptical but stranger things have happened.

... Bottom line is that there is a great deal of lying above and beyond the norm. Especially to judgemental foreigners.[/QUOTE]I agree with Lucky completely on this.

IMO, guys that refute this, just haven't spent enough time in Colombia or are kidding themselves.

[QUOTE=LuckyEddie]The problems reported by both sides of the argument are all rooted in one issue: There are guys are mixing w****s and girlfriends in their lives and who they are talking about in this post.

My advice has always been: There are w****s and girlfriends and non the twain shall meet.

Forget the grey area in between.

. Girlfriend: Get a non p*ta who actually has a verifiable job. The unemploymemnt rate for women is about 30%. That means about 70% of the women have jobs. This "working girl" is the girl you treat nice and buy pizza, buy gifts for, go down on, go to dinner, hang with the family. She won't ask for money or if she does it will be 1.) something legit or 2.) you will have offered before being asked.

If you follow this rule you will never have a problem. This is so obvious yet half you guys don't get it.

It's you guys who go out with w****s trying to make them girlfriends or semi girlfriends who are always in these types of situations. Why are you out in public with estrato 2 girls asking for money? Is she a street walker you took in? Did she just get done at thre strip club?

Know the diffference or at least make the difference happen.

JMHO[/QUOTE]Essentially I agree with Lucky here, however, if you know what you're doing, you speak spanish and you don't kid yourself about the relationship, you can have great "girlfriend times" with SOME pros.

Just like with us guys, obviously there are all types of chicas in the business.

I've come accross and met the best of guys and the not-so-good guys in my travels.

Similarly, I've met some of the sweetest and nicest girls who are pros, in the business due to harsh circumstances, and of course, I've met some real bad ones too.

I've made some fantastic friendships with working chicas, both in Colombia and Brazil. These friendships with girls that I never would have met, if not for them working as pros at the time.

I agree with Lucky that if you fool yourself, especially if you're the guy who can't really communicate with the chicas, and you obviously don't mesh with her physically, and confuse her desire for cash with real affection, you can get hurt, emotionally and / or finacially speaking.

Me personally, just through lots of experience, I've learned to read chicas pretty well, especially after several times with them.

Many of you other experienced guys can do the same I'm sure.

I don't find the whole thing as cut and dry as LuckyE.

I don't consider every pro I meet a Wh. Re, sure there are plenty out there, but there are some real gems too.

Just be smart, follow your radar and don't fool yourself.

[QUOTE=Vitrea] All the columbians I ran into, pros and non-pros were very extremely friendly and straight up. No one lied to me about anything, minor or major. My experience is limited compared to some of you but I encountered way more BS stories in the US compared to Colombia.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]Ha Ha, you're kidding us right? I'm still trying to sense the sarcastic overtone in your post but am failing to do so. Of course you can never paint with the broadest brush in any culture but you never had a puta, "novia" at least tell you she had to leave because she has to "feed her baby" or she didn't pick up her cell phone because she "had no signal or her phone discharged" LOL[/QUOTE]I can side with Vitrea on this one. After visiting over 75 countries I can say that Colombianas are the most reliable women on the planet. Keep in mind that I can only speak from a non-pro point of view. My mongering experience is very limited in Colombia. All of my evolutions have been short time and I have never repeated with the same person. So as far as getting excuses of having to leave to feed a baby or other lines generally attributed to pros who are trying to get the most money for the shortest time, I have not gotten them from non-pros. I have seen genuine honesty from the non-pros.

Last December I was on the plane to Bogota and met a girl who had a visa but was being deported from the USA. I asked her what had happened and she said they found out that she had worked the last time she was in the country, so they did not let her enter that time. She had no idea how they had found out. I gave her my Colombia info before we got off the plane. She called me an hour later just like she said she would. I didn't get to go out with her because I already had something else lined up and I never called her back. But, how many times have I given an AW my info and not heard from them? The rule of thumb in this country is that if you don't get her info just forget about it. Even my ex-wife. The first time I met her I gave her my info and she didn't call. The next time I saw her she had some excuse that she had lost my number so I insisted on getting hers that time.

I really don't think Colombian non-pros will bullshit you around. They are either for you or not. The other morning when I was leaving Cali there was a nice looking girl getting on the same flight. She was with her mother and grandmother. She kept looking at me so I figured there must be some potential. I wrote a note to give to her when we got on the plane. When I passed her seat and tried to give her the note she look at me like I was crazy and would not even touch the paper. I was there in the aisle for a few seconds (which seemed like an eternity) looking and feeling like a total *******. But hey, I guess there really wasn't any interest on her part and she didn't try to make me think otherwise.

I don't think there's any difference between a fufa and a regular girl here in Colombia. As a matter of fact, I would bet at least 50% of the female population have charged for sex at one time or another in their lives.

Almost all the "non-pro"s I go out with are really semi pros or straight up pros at the end of the day. INCLUDING the ones with verifiable mon-fri employment, etc. Everything is just a big grey area here, if you want to be happy here, learn that first!

The big difference between Colombia and the US is that here if you are super gorgoues and know how to speak to women down here you will get laid on the basis of that alone, whereas in the US a gorgeous guy with no money is still a loser. But if you're not really good-looking and can hold a good conversation on the girl's terms, you have to go the money route.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]... After visiting over 75 countries I can say that Colombianas are the most reliable women on the planet ...[/QUOTE]That's actually very funny, really.

The most beautiful, OK.

The most sexy, OK.

The most reliable, funny.

Let's not get carried away with the Colombia bashing. I'm just as frustrated as anyone else with the flakiness and the bs. But the truth is for the daily, superficial, basic interactions I find that Colombians are mostly polite, pleasant, even helpful. MORE so than other people!

It's just that when your requests or their promises start to get more complicated is when you run into problems. When you hear a chica say "mañana" (tomorrow) or "despues" (later) then just assume that's probably not the case. :) Don't take it personal, it probably has nothing to do directly with you. I suspect in many cases, it's not even done intentionally or consciously, this stuff is working on the instinct or subconscious level. So it's not entirely their fault but there are reasons for this behavior, based on social, cultural, and historical factors that I really don't want to get into right now. But if you know anything about this country's history, trust between the social classes and between certain other groups is somewhat lacking.

[QUOTE=Ricker]I don't find the whole thing as cut and dry as LuckyE.

I don't consider every pro I meet a Wh. Re, sure there are plenty out there, but there are some real gems too.

Just be smart, follow your radar and don't fool yourself.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I don't know why some guys are so hard on these girls. There's no doubt many of them are annoying, crazy, flaky; and then you got the liars, scammers, and thieves. But let's not forget some mongers can be real scumbags, even dangerous to these girls. I don't even like using the word w****, I think it's a bit too demeaning. At least hooker sounds more pleasant to say.

And I do agree that as long as you have your head on straight and keep things in perspective, you can have some really interesting experiences with these hookers. More interesting than with non-pros, or at least with less whining and complaining.

[QUOTE=Ricker] ......I don't consider every pro I meet a Wh. Re, sure there are plenty out there, but there are some real gems too........ [/QUOTE]Ricker,

Please explain this. In my book pro (professional) = wh.re = hooker, just that the later two sound more derogatory but aren't they the same?

BTW, To me they are all chicas but that is a different discussion.

I just read a story off the internet that said small amounts of marijuana, cocaine, and even heroin are legal in Colombia.

Can anybody confirm if thats true.

The story also said the government was considering repealing the law.

I live in California, where they're putting Proposition 19 on the ballot to legalize possession of small of marijuana.

[QUOTE=Vitrea]Ricker,

Please explain this. In my book pro (professional) = wh.re = hooker, just that the later two sound more derogatory but aren't they the same?

BTW, To me they are all chicas but that is a different discussion.[/QUOTE]First of all, read Bango Cheito's post #2482, the first 2 paragraphs.

Sums it up pretty well.

Now as far as actual chicas working directly as pros:

If YOU want to categorize them ALL as wh. Res, or p. Tas, that's fine. Those are just harsh names for an occupation.

As for me, like a lot of us, I've met a countless number of pros in my travels over the years.

Now some of these working chicas I've met have been the sweetest, and yes, most honest girls you'd want to meet. They're working out of necessity.

To me, IMHO, these chicas are not wh. Res.

To you they may be, to me they're not.

I differentiate, but that's just me.

Happy travels

[QUOTE=BayBoy]I just read a story off the internet that said small amounts of marijuana, cocaine, and even heroin are legal in Colombia.

Can anybody confirm if thats true.

The story also said the government was considering repealing the law.

I live in California, where they're putting Proposition 19 on the ballot to legalize possession of small of marijuana.[/QUOTE]

I don't think that is true. I talked to several locals about this. All of them say that it is technically illegal in any quantity. Small quantities of marijuana are tolerated though. By that, I mean that if caught, you will still be questioned and will most likely, as a tourist, end up paying the cops and might not go to jail. With the other two, you will be in serious trouble even with small quantities (unless you are well connected locally)

[QUOTE=Menteng]I live in Colombia and you know what's funny? I've noticed that they only lie to people who lack personality.[/QUOTE]That is just brilliant! Jeez, how obvious was that, "Colombians lie to people who lack personality" - Did you hear that first on Dr. Phil or is that all your own?

I guess when a girl tells a foreigner posting here that she is going to Costa Rica to do hair for 3 months (the post that started all this) that foreigner has no personality? Got it now. Thanks for clearing that all up.

I thought she was telling him that, regardless of his personality, because she did not want to admit to being a working girl. Silly me.

What does she tell the guy who loaded with personality? That she is going to CR to be a hooker and not to do hair?

Me? I think it is better to tell the guy who made the post here that he is being lied to than to tell him he has no personality or whatever other issues we can peg such foreigners with.

Also I know a joke and exageration when I read one on the internet. If my "there mouth is moving" line caused some of you to get your panties all in a bunch I apologize in advance for not flagging it accordingly as "a joke". It's actually an old joke - I just replaced Lawyers with Colombians.

[QUOTE=Phunluv]It's just that when your requests or their promises start to get more complicated is when you run into problems. When you hear a chica say "mañana" (tomorrow) or "despues" (later) then just assume that's probably not the case. :) Don't take it personal, it probably has nothing to do directly with you. I suspect in many cases, it's not even done intentionally or consciously, this stuff is working on the instinct or subconscious level. So it's not entirely their fault but there are reasons for this behavior, based on social, cultural, and historical factors that I really don't want to get into right now. But if you know anything about this country's history, trust between the social classes and between certain other groups is somewhat lacking.[/QUOTE]What's to 'analyze'? Manana means, "sure, unless something better comes along". Same thing it means when you say it.

[QUOTE=Vitrea]I don't think that is true. I talked to several locals about this. All of them say that it is technically illegal in any quantity. Small quantities of marijuana are tolerated though. By that, I mean that if caught, you will still be questioned and will most likely, as a tourist, end up paying the cops and might not go to jail. With the other two, you will be in serious trouble even with small quantities (unless you are well connected locally)[/QUOTE]

It used to be legal, up to 4 grams of pot and 1 gram of coke. Recently they changed that law but the change has a sunset clause to it, because they can't permanently alter the constitution. The next time it comes up for renewal, the courts may or may not hold it up. As of now, possession is not legal, although it was since 1991 up till about a year ago.

In practical experience, I seriously doubt any Colombian cop is going to worry about whether you have drugs on you or not in most situations, but if you are travelling between cities and obviously if youre going to take a plane, it makes sense to not carry.

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]It used to be legal, up to 4 grams of pot and 1 gram of coke. Recently they changed that law but the change has a sunset clause to it, because they can't permanently alter the constitution. The next time it comes up for renewal, the courts may or may not hold it up. As of now, possession is not legal, although it was since 1991 up till about a year ago.

In practical experience, I seriously doubt any Colombian cop is going to worry about whether you have drugs on you or not in most situations, but if you are travelling between cities and obviously if youre going to take a plane, it makes sense to not carry.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for clarifying.

This reminds me to relate my story that happened few weeks ago. I wanted to score some Cripa and the quality of what I got at parque lleras was hit or miss. I mentioned this to a waitress at a cafe in El poblado, (non-pro) and she casually agreed to get me some authentic Cripa. One evening after she got off work around 7 PM, she drove me in her car to a barrio. This part of town was quite seedy and she kept driving around in these small lanes and by-lanes looking for sellers. I was getting nervous and I was almost ready to call it quits when she points to a guy sitting on a plastic bucket. As we slow down this guy approaches the car and she rolls the window down and he asks her how many? she looked at me and I said, "one would be fine". They both say, "one? come on"? She said, "he won't sell you one". Well, why not? Because each is only a $2 and he is not going to..... OK. Ok. I got it. I will get four joints then. He takes my money (equivalent of $10 or $12) and walks away. While we wait in the car, out of no where this cop car shows up. Here we are about to do the deal, clearly out of place. She asked me not to panic and she said not to open my mouth if they come back and ask questions. I stayed calm on the outside but nervous as hell. The guy came back 5 minutes later and hands us the joints and he even gives us back the $3 in change. She gives him a $1 tip and gives me back $2 and casually stuffs the joints in her bra. She hands me all the joints 10 minutes later after we are back in Poblado. I offered some to her but she did not want any.

I asked her why she put it in her bra and she said if they stopped us, the male cops are not allowed to search women and they would not have the patience to call and wait for a female cop. Apparently there are very few female cops in the city and almost none at night. She dropped me off at my hotel and I never saw her again. She took a personal risk holding onto the stash and she did that for a complete stranger. That is one wonderful person.

I smoked it that night and it was the best stuff.

The Kripa here is totally treated - chemically. Smoke at your own risk. The best stuff from La Guajira is not really grown like it used to although you can still get it - in La Guajira of course. Just my 2 cents.

[QUOTE=LuckyEddie]The Kripa here is totally treated - chemically. Smoke at your own risk. The best stuff from La Guajira is not really grown like it used to although you can still get it - in La Guajira of course. Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]

Do you have to always rain in on my parade? Can I not be blissfully ignorant that I got the best stuff in the world? Just kidding. Good to know....

BTW, the point of my story is not to show off that I scored the best Cripa but to illustrate how traveling off the beaten path exposes you to some sweet natured wonderful human beings. Sex in Colombia was great but I am as likely to remember this, as my night with Scarlet.

You guys have 'clarified' the marijuana situation for me a little better. I've heard of the scene at Parque Periodista at night.

One time I went over there during the daytime and there were a bunch of guys who looked like potheads. But they gave me some strange looks like I was an outsider. Obviously, I just walked off.

I dont want to chance it by possessing a joint.

Last time I was in CTG I bought some Cripa 30 joints, and smoked it with a few different girls and every girl was saying that the stuff was really good. I would smoke a joint before I took my nap at around 6 pm and I was having all kind of crazy hallucinations before I would fall asleep. Like monsters with distorted faces and camels jumping over people and all kind of weird shit. Has anyone else had this happen to them. I only smoke down there and I also do coke down there. But of course i didnt do any coke when I laid down for my nap but I like to do a small amount when I wake up. Funny thing is I have never done any drugs in the states in my life but when I get down there I go fucking crazy.

[QUOTE=BayBoy]You guys have 'clarified' the marijuana situation for me a little better. I've heard of the scene at Parque Periodista at night.

One time I went over there during the daytime and there were a bunch of guys who looked like potheads. But they gave me some strange looks like I was an outsider. Obviously, I just walked off.

I dont want to chance it by possessing a joint.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BayBoy]You guys have 'clarified' the marijuana situation for me a little better. I've heard of the scene at Parque Periodista at night.

One time I went over there during the daytime and there were a bunch of guys who looked like potheads. But they gave me some strange looks like I was an outsider. Obviously, I just walked off.

I dont want to chance it by possessing a joint.[/QUOTE]You are never more than 15 minutes away from getting anything you want in this country. And, I wouldn't care what anyone says: don't get caught with it on you. All the chicas know that the holding place is between the hooters, and that's where you'll want to keep it (unless they're otherwise occupied)

[QUOTE=Vitrea]Thank you for clarifying.

This reminds me to relate my story that happened few weeks ago. I wanted to score some Cripa and the quality of what I got at parque lleras was hit or miss. I mentioned this to a waitress at a cafe in El poblado, (non-pro) and she casually agreed to get me some authentic Cripa. One evening after she got off work around 7 PM, she drove me in her car to a barrio. This part of town was quite seedy and she kept driving around in these small lanes and by-lanes looking for sellers. I was getting nervous and I was almost ready to call it quits when she points to a guy sitting on a plastic bucket. As we slow down this guy approaches the car and she rolls the window down and he asks her how many? she looked at me and I said, "one would be fine". They both say, "one? come on"? She said, "he won't sell you one". Well, why not? Because each is only a $2 and he is not going to..... OK. Ok. I got it. I will get four joints then. He takes my money (equivalent of $10 or $12) and walks away. While we wait in the car, out of no where this cop car shows up. Here we are about to do the deal, clearly out of place. She asked me not to panic and she said not to open my mouth if they come back and ask questions. I stayed calm on the outside but nervous as hell. The guy came back 5 minutes later and hands us the joints and he even gives us back the $3 in change. She gives him a $1 tip and gives me back $2 and casually stuffs the joints in her bra. She hands me all the joints 10 minutes later after we are back in Poblado. I offered some to her but she did not want any.

I asked her why she put it in her bra and she said if they stopped us, the male cops are not allowed to search women and they would not have the patience to call and wait for a female cop. Apparently there are very few female cops in the city and almost none at night. She dropped me off at my hotel and I never saw her again. She took a personal risk holding onto the stash and she did that for a complete stranger. That is one wonderful person.

I smoked it that night and it was the best stuff.[/QUOTE]

Allright, I was gonna hold back here but now feel compelled to speak out.

It's one thing to smoke some spleef if offered in the confines of some friend's residence and maybe even get a couple of grams for yourself from the same source but when you go out looking for it from strangers in a park or cruising one of the barrios you, and by that I mean anyone not just Vitrea..........

are playing with fire!

I don't care how prevalent it is or how tolerant the societal attitude, the risk is insanely dangerous.

I've have approximately 30 years experience travelling and living in LA. Yes, that includes all through my late teens and twenties guys. The tricks and pitfuls, besides the obvious personal safety issues, are countless.

One of the oldest and still easiest scams is the dealer sells you the stuff, takes your money, and 2 minutes later is tipping off his closest cop buddy who cuts him a nice tip and then hunts you down and busts your ass for the opportunity to collect a 4 figure pay-off from you as you're shaking in your boots in some crammed third world holding cell.

There are many other ways as well. You're a foreigner in their country, puta carajo!

Go ahead, flame me for being a scare monger.

Somebody has to say it.

[QUOTE=BayBoy]You guys have 'clarified' the marijuana situation for me a little better. I've heard of the scene at Parque Periodista at night.

One time I went over there during the daytime and there were a bunch of guys who looked like potheads. But they gave me some strange looks like I was an outsider. Obviously, I just walked off.

I dont want to chance it by possessing a joint.[/QUOTE]The risks in general here are high enough as it is. You are not on your home turf. I would smoke with trusted people or comptriots in the hostel, mansion or wherever one is staying staying - better yet in the comfort of one's own home.

They do not sell at the park as posession is tolerated but dealing is mandatory jail. If you ask for weed there or even on the close by side streets you will get funny looks.

You get caught with more than one joint the cops can say intent to sell ("why is he carrying more than one? He must be a pusher"). Not to mention bribe or no bribe the chance of spending a few days in the clink, missing your flight, missing work, all for a mis understanding or because of a cowboy-"look-I-busted--me-a-gringo"-cop. The chance is low but not worth the risk of deportion or a mark on your record back home if there some sort or reporting reciprocity - the US somehow seems to always find out stuff.

It is just not worth it mixing with the drug culture unnecessarily. There are people snorting Draino and inhaling glue all day. Not like US/Europe where doctor's and like professionals toke up.

In Jan the limpieaza will start again and the first to go are always druggies on the street - the stigma here is different.

There is no benefit to making friends or hanging with this crowd - this is not the parking lot before a Grateful Dead show.

Smoke 'em if ya got 'em but better from your own private balcony. Foreigners who are dope addicted Wh*re mongers make Pirry twice a year. It is not helping matters.

JMHO

[QUOTE=Vitrea]Do you have to always rain in on my parade? Can I not be blissfully ignorant that I got the best stuff in the world? Just kidding. Good to know....

BTW, the point of my story is not to show off that I scored the best Cripa but to illustrate how traveling off the beaten path exposes you to some sweet natured wonderful human beings. Sex in Colombia was great but I am as likely to remember this, as my night with Scarlet.[/QUOTE]Sorry bro. At least you didn't tell me that Colombians always sell dirt weed to people who lack personality.

The best stuff in the world comes from Humbodt county, Hawaii and some other choice areas. Not here unfortunately, not anymore thanks to Pablo who figured out that other crops carry waaaay more margin. The Colombian Gold "The Fine Colombian - Steely Dan" fields were all re-planted in the mid 80's.

But the arepas are to die for, I don't mind saying.

I would not go into no barrio, but it is no problem to secure some stuff, I have never been scared of anything but I'm not stuipid either, if I want something I get it. Simple as that, and I dont walk around with a bunch of fear about cops and set ups. I'm no punk and when I get to that point I will stay the fuck home. I have had plenty of interaction with cops and hoodlums and always worked things out. Not by going oh hes a cop or this or that, any situation is usually negotiable and I have had a few serious problems in Cartagena, of my own doing and worked it out. Dont be a pussy


[QUOTE=Schwmmr]Allright, I was gonna hold back here but now feel compelled to speak out.

It's one thing to smoke some spleef if offered in the confines of some friend's residence and maybe even get a couple of grams for yourself from the same source but when you go out looking for it from strangers in a park or cruising one of the barrios you, and by that I mean anyone not just Vitrea..........

are playing with fire!

I don't care how prevalent it is or how tolerant the societal attitude, the risk is insanely dangerous.

I've have approximately 30 years experience travelling and living in LA. Yes, that includes all through my late teens and twenties guys. The tricks and pitfuls, besides the obvious personal safety issues, are countless.

One of the oldest and still easiest scams is the dealer sells you the stuff, takes your money, and 2 minutes later is tipping off his closest cop buddy who cuts him a nice tip and then hunts you down and busts your ass for the opportunity to collect a 4 figure pay-off from you as you're shaking in your boots in some crammed third world holding cell.

There are many other ways as well. You're a foreigner in their country, puta carajo!

Go ahead, flame me for being a scare monger.

Somebody has to say it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Schwmmr]Allright, I was gonna hold back here but now feel compelled to speak out.

It's one thing to smoke some spleef if offered in the confines of some friend's residence and maybe even get a couple of grams for yourself from the same source but when you go out looking for it from strangers in a park or cruising one of the barrios you, and by that I mean anyone not just Vitrea..........

are playing with fire!

I don't care how prevalent it is or how tolerant the societal attitude, the risk is insanely dangerous.

I've have approximately 30 years experience travelling and living in LA. Yes, that includes all through my late teens and twenties guys. The tricks and pitfuls, besides the obvious personal safety issues, are countless.

One of the oldest and still easiest scams is the dealer sells you the stuff, takes your money, and 2 minutes later is tipping off his closest cop buddy who cuts him a nice tip and then hunts you down and busts your ass for the opportunity to collect a 4 figure pay-off from you as you're shaking in your boots in some crammed third world holding cell.

There are many other ways as well. You're a foreigner in their country, puta carajo!

Go ahead, flame me for being a scare monger.

Somebody has to say it.[/QUOTE]

Dude, I am not going to flame you. You are right. What I did was probably dangerous. Just so that you don't think I am a total moron, I would not have done this by myself. I went with a local who has a decent daytime job and it was mostly for the thrill of it. What is funny is that I have only smoked pot 3 times before in my life. It would have been stupid to end up in jail.

Luckyeddie, man I love your posts. I enjoy reading them. With all the wisdom you have acquired, I am guessing that you must be at least 120 yrs old. :-)

[QUOTE=BayBoy]You guys have 'clarified' the marijuana situation for me a little better. I've heard of the scene at Parque Periodista at night.

One time I went over there during the daytime and there were a bunch of guys who looked like potheads. But they gave me some strange looks like I was an outsider. Obviously, I just walked off.

I dont want to chance it by possessing a joint.[/QUOTE]Smart man. Just to clarify I haven't smoked since 1996 when it almost cost me a 15 year job here in the states. There is nothing wrong with toking every now and then but the consequences for me arent worth it now.

True story. In 06 me and my little cousin visited the DR for the first time. I told him best behavior no fucking around. He snuck off with a Dominican dude and 20 minutes later we had guns in our face. He was taken away. He was always a bad dude in DC 6"3 220 pounds. But when I visited him in that Dominican Jail naked, he was a broken man mentally. We took him food, his Momma called every five minutes about her baby, and the lawyer said he needed thousands. I felt responsible for my little because and paid major deniro to get him out. He hasnt been back since and hasnt paid me back.

My point is when you take these chances be a man about the consequences thats all. Man up and get youself out of the bullshit YOU caused. Don't be calling home to momma like a *****. Understand what your getting into, and if you feel its worth the risk don't drag anybody else into YOUR shit, happy 420(thats a code if you don't understand smokers do).

Some pretty heavy pot stories here. I think I'll stay away from the weed stuff, its too dangerous for my taste.

Its just cerveza and aguardente for me.

[QUOTE=You Can]I would not go into no barrio, but it is no problem to secure some stuff, I have never been scared of anything but I'm not stuipid either, if I want something I get it. Simple as that, and I don't walk around with a bunch of fear about cops and set ups. I'm no punk and when I get to that point I will stay the fuck home. I have had plenty of interaction with cops and hoodlums and always worked things out. Not by going oh hes a cop or this or that, any situation is usually negotiable and I have had a few serious problems in Cartagena, of my own doing and worked it out. Dont be a pussy[/QUOTE]Dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. Having the attitude you have is going to get you in HUGE shit in Colombia,Cartagena is kiddie land compared to any other place in the country make no mistake about it.

I had no idea how many Crippa y Perrico users are coming down to Colombia. Another reason why the gringo is becoming such a big hit in Colombia! lol

p.s. Wow I think FULL MODERATION has been lifted! Now Ricker Behave yourself, you were one of the main reasons we got into this situation in the first place. je je jk!

[QUOTE=You Can]I would not go into no barrio, but it is no problem to secure some stuff, I have never been scared of anything but I'm not stuipid either, if I want something I get it. Simple as that, and I dont walk around with a bunch of fear about cops and set ups. I'm no punk and when I get to that point I will stay the fuck home. I have had plenty of interaction with cops and hoodlums and always worked things out. Not by going oh hes a cop or this or that, any situation is usually negotiable and I have had a few serious problems in Cartagena, of my own doing and worked it out. Dont be a pussy[/QUOTE]I hear ya bro but no reason to call people pussies - everyone has their own threshold of risk/reward. Some have a lot to lose like a 6 figure job and others are just retired or backpackers coming here.

Even if the chances are <10% of something negative happening (even if that only means crappy weed) the easy answer is go the safe route where the chances are <1%. It is not like there is no other choice. There is always someone trustworthy who can score for you and wandering into shady areas or groups of other potheads is not the same as it is in Europe and the US. JMHO

I just spoke to Keisy Kitana from Romance Latina (profile name Keisy). I believe she worked at the Mansion before. She's a nice girl. She wanted to know if I was in Medellin because she needs to make some money. I told her I won't be there until next month. She asked if I knew any gringos that would like to see her tonight. I told her I would let you guys know. She is looking for 150 an hour, 300 for 2. That's not Centro or Mayorista prices but it's worth it. Almost 19, no implants or tattoos. Caliente en la cama. Make sure you treat her right. PM me for her information.

KJ

[url]http://www.eroticphotosbykj.com[/url]

[QUOTE=Manizales911]Dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. Having the attitude you have is going to get you in HUGE shit in Colombia,Cartagena is kiddie land compared to any other place in the country make no mistake about it.[/QUOTE]

Come on Manizales, quit being a damn pussy!!
When I hit the barrios in Cali, I strap on my Poncho Villa bullet straps over my shoulders with my six shooters at my side I fear nothing I tell ya.
Those SOBs mess with me and they are dust.

PS ... I'm officially changing my handle here to 'Sgt Hulka' ... remember that guy from the movie Stripes?

Anyway, Manizales, once again, quit being a pussy!

[QUOTE=You Can]I would not go into no barrio, but it is no problem to secure some stuff, I have never been scared of anything but I'm not stuipid either, if I want something I get it. Simple as that, and I dont walk around with a bunch of fear about cops and set ups. I'm no punk and when I get to that point I will stay the fuck home. I have had plenty of interaction with cops and hoodlums and always worked things out. Not by going oh hes a cop or this or that, any situation is usually negotiable and I have had a few serious problems in Cartagena, of my own doing and worked it out. Dont be a pussy[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=You Can]Last time I was in CTG I bought some Cripa 30 joints, and smoked it with a few different girls and every girl was saying that the stuff was really good. I would smoke a joint before I took my nap at around 6 pm and I was having all kind of crazy hallucinations before I would fall asleep. Like monsters with distorted faces and camels jumping over people and all kind of weird shit. Has anyone else had this happen to them. I only smoke down there and I also do coke down there. But of course i didnt do any coke when I laid down for my nap but I like to do a small amount when I wake up. Funny thing is I have never done any drugs in the states in my life but when I get down there I go fucking crazy.[/QUOTE]

Go for it. A man of your obvious experience and guile will do fine in your own mind.

But it's not just me. Anybody with a real understanding of Latin America will tell ya that with that attitude and mentality in Colombia, it's only a matter of time until you are caught up by the laws of DARWIN.

Even with the recent changes in the law, weed is not such a big deal in this country.

Nevertheless, I would proceed with caution.

I rarely partake because I prefer to be 100% alert when I'm out at night clubbing or mongering. It's a different story in the privacy of one's hotel room/apartment but if you're with a girl for the 1st/2nd time, I can only assume you've already taken the precaution of hiding and securing everything of value before she even comes in (which you should do ANYWAY even if you don't do any drugs, it's just that being drunk or drugged up makes you more vulnerable if she's a thief).

Funny story: I was relaxing early one morning at my favorite finca in Santa Fe de Antioquia (small town a few hours from MDE) whose owner was cleaning the pool. After the morning's work was done, he sat down next to me and smoked his joint offering me some. I declined (not much of a smoker although I felt bad afterwards, maybe he thought I was rude), the local police came by and it was no big deal. If anything, I got the feeling they probably shared a smoke with him in the past.

I wouldn't worry too much about Schwmmr's scenario. There is police corruption in many Latin-Am countries (Mexico, etc.) but it's not a big issue anymore in Colombia. But there are other dangers. There are checkpoints in CTG so don't carry the stuff with you if you step into a taxi late at night, get that business done during DAYLIGHT hours.

However, I'm a bit surprised by Vitrea's story. That was pretty dangerous of him to do. Not so much for the cops (they KNEW dude, they just didn't care, they have other priorities), but the fact that he put himself into a completely unfamiliar situation and was totally reliant on a young girl he hardly knows.

Forget about the cops. What if a couple of street punks spotted you (gringo) in that car with a girl as the driver, and decided to follow you in their moto? Think that chick could handle that situation?

Safest way to get your stuff is of course through a trusted 3rd party, try to avoid direct contact with dealers. Of course that involves language skills, patience, and making friends with local colombianos, something I keep mentioning on this board but doesn't seem to register. Just say off-hand to your buddy how you've heard how good the weed is in Colombia and you've always wanted to try it blah-blah. . . and 90% sure he'll be more than happy to help you!

Parque Periodista: it's buzzing with people at night, I remember my buddy would just go in one of the bars to score his cripa. According to what LuckyEddie wrote, I'm not sure that's still possible but I don't see how the police can control what's going on inside the restrooms of the bars. This isn't the states with the undercover cops on the streets or in clubs/bars, the only undercovers I know of in Colombia are working on the upper-end of the supply chain in the coke biz (more like double agents than undercover cops).

If you're really dying for some cripa and don't want to go to the trouble of making friends with some of the locals, try asking surreptitiously one of the bouncers or bartenders or hosts in front of the bar. They'll let you know the score if it's safe or not. I would avoid asking or approaching directly any shady looking people or dealer types until you get the ok from one of the bar/club staff.

[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]I had no idea how many Crippa y Perrico users are coming down to Colombia. Another reason why the gringo is becoming such a big hit in Colombia! lol[/QUOTE]Dude, it's been a big thing in the hostel/backpacker scene down there forever. In Bogota, the "bohemian" Candelaria sector is filled with hostals for "chanclateros" (their term for backpackers, which is hilarious because it does seem true that they all wear sandals); young people from Australia, the states, and all over Europe come to BOG and hang out there for weeks and months on end to party and enjoy the cheap weed and coke. That scene is smaller in MDE but it's pretty big in BOG.

[QUOTE=Maidenkj]I just spoke to Keisy Kitana from Romance Latina (profile name Keisy). I believe she worked at the Mansion before. She's a nice girl. She wanted to know if I was in Medellin because she needs to make some money. I told her I won't be there until next month. She asked if I knew any gringos that would like to see her tonight. I told her I would let you guys know. She is looking for 150 an hour, 300 for 2. That's not Centro or Mayorista prices but it's worth it. Almost 19, no implants or tattoos. Caliente en la cama. Make sure you treat her right. PM me for her information.

KJ

[url]http://www.eroticphotosbykj.com[/url][/QUOTE]

May we pay her more if we like???

[QUOTE=Phunluv]..I'm not sure that's still possible but I don't see how the police can control what's going on inside the restrooms of the bars. This isn't the states with the undercover cops on the streets or in clubs/bars, the only undercovers I know of in Colombia are working on the upper-end of the supply chain in the coke biz (more like double agents than undercover cops).

If you're really dying for some cripa and don't want to go to the trouble of making friends with some of the locals, try asking surreptitiously one of the bouncers or bartenders or hosts in front of the bar. They'll let you know the score if it's safe or not. I would avoid asking or approaching directly any shady looking people or dealer types until you get the ok from one of the bar/club staff.[/QUOTE]Good advice phunluv. As for what can go on in the bathroom the bust is during a search of the suspected pusher outside the bar, before or after. There are searches in and around the park all the time.

GUYS - there is no Illegal Search And Siezure law in Colombia - meaning anyone can be randomly stopped day or night, in a car or on foot or moto, and searched - pockets, wallet, socks and shoes - right on the street by Army or Police. You must produce a cedula or whatever ID and if you are a young Colombian man you must produce your military card if it is a random Army search.

So if the cops suspect someone near the park they search him and if he has more than one joint, "intent to distribute" and off he goes. He does not want to take that risk. Technically what they can do is travel with 6 guys each has a joint and they sell one at a time as to not be holding more than one.

Either way...

Trusted 3rd party to score weed is the best way. There are foreigners here who can help you out. Or you can go to the vendors around the poblado metro entrance - ask around, place your order (Cripa - pronounced CREEP-uh) and pick up the next day in broad daylight in the safe Poblado area. Those guys will sell multiple joints. You will pay a slight premium until you get dialed in with a better connection - who delivers right to your doorstep. But it's still cheap and most importantly safe.

[QUOTE=Ricker]May we pay her more if we like???[/QUOTE]


Lol Maybe she doesn't want to be on La Mayorista but she looks like she belongs there. Ive seen similar and better at Mayorista almost all the time. If she needs money that badly maybe she should consider it.

[QUOTE=Ricker]May we pay her more if we like???[/QUOTE]This chick looks good and all but that is way too much. I know this is Mde but I was in Ctg at Tu Candela. I was at the bar asking for a round of Heinikens beautiful chick comes up to me starts talking blah blah blah. So I ask. So what are your plans tonight? Thats was my Q. So I said about how much would this costs me? She says for you looks me up and down like she is buying a used car and says 80k. I said hmmm you know what I am really looking for is a threesome. I think I may pass. Started to grab the beers and head back. All of a sudden another beautiful chica comes up and she says What do you think about the 2 of us? Is this what you are looking for. I could not help but smile a little bit. I have a great poker face but comeon there is only so much a guy can take. So I said look the thing is I only have 150 k Can you guys split that. They said yes I paid the bar tab got the hell back to the apt. Best time of my life long story short. In the morning they got me up in both ways. Made breakfast! And left arond 9am or so. So this chic wants 300 for 2 hours. Ask her if her name is Sofia Vergara. LOL.

[QUOTE=LuckyEddie]
In Jan the limpieaza will start again and the first to go are always druggies on the street - the stigma here is different.

JMHO[/QUOTE]

Can you tell us a little bit more about what will happen in Jan ? I've been out of the loop. Are those dweebs with white polo shirts and green hats still patrolling the streets?

Cripa will cost you $2.50 a gram. It's just as good as any chronic in the US or Canada. Outdoor humboldt county bud is extremely unique and hard to compete against.

The rules on the street were changing last year. In the past I saw people smoking right in front of the cops. Last time it was a game of cat and mouse with the cops showing up every 15 minutes. I saw them scold a local for doing it but who knows what a foreigner would go through.

Weed is all over medellin. Most people know where to get it. It might only be a block or two away.

Smoking in your hotel room is not always a smart thing to do nor is smoking anywhere for that matter.

I have used the boarding school routine in the past....pipe and towel combination. OZIUM industrial sanitizer(amazon or ebay) is a must have in any travel kit. Even for normal stenches.

We have a chance with prop 19 in california. Unfortunately the "obysmal" administration will not respect it even if it does pass.

On that note I saw a fascinating program last night how switzerland gave out free pure grade heroin to drug users and crime dropped 60%.

[QUOTE=Artisttyp]Can you tell us a little bit more about what will happen in Jan ? I've been out of the loop. [/QUOTE]
With all the crap going on in San Javier I can't tell if this will be a big year or not for Las Aguilas Negras and their Limpeaza - I bold the parts about Drugs and prostitution - their position on prostitutes is from a spreading of AIDS (SIDA) standpoint. Many gangs take over the street and feel it is their duty to "Clean up" the city from Drug doers/sellers, prostitutes spreading aids and the homeless gamines.

I am not translating this now as I am out the door and I don't want to start a panic here - PM me if you want a translation. I only translated the first paragraph

Suffice it so say it may not happen this year (usually starts end of January) and has happened for the last 6 or 7 years unbeknownst to most of you here. It does not really affect Parque Lleras Poblado areas but does affect Centro and hillside barrios AT NIGHT.

Since we are talking about drugs and since safety is a major concern I think the fact that this exists should be sufficient enough to steer those looking to score weed to STAY OUT of Centro and nearby areas and parks at night. It is so much easier to score in Poblado. I have faith that none of you wander into dangerous barrios populares at night.



"LLEGO LA HORA DE LA LIMPIEZA SOCIAL

AHORA LE TOCA EL TURNO A LAS MALPARIDAS [B]PUTAS[/B] BASUQUERAS Y SIDOSAS, [B]VENDEDORES DE DROGAS[/B], LADRONES CALLEJEROS Y APARTAMENTEROS,JALADORES DE CARROS, SECUESTRADORES Y JOVENES CONSUMIDORES

[i]This time has come for social cleansing

Now is their turn, the motherfucking aids infected druggie prost**utes, Drug Dealers, street theives, home burglars, car theives, kidnappers and street kids.[/i]


YA LOS TENEMOS IDENTIFICADOS!



Para el pueblo en general, Ustedes han notado una creciente de la violencia, robos o atracos, [B]prostitucion y consumo de droga… etc.[/B] en los últimos tiempos, debido a todo esto nuestra organización ha tomado la irrevocable decisión de atacar la violencia con VIOLENCIA.

Ya no van a contagiar de SIDA a nadie más, solamente a los gusanos.

Tienen las horas contadas, [B]todas las putas de los bares y cantinas y las malparidas prepagos. [/B] Han contagiado a mucha gente de SIDA. Prepárense HIJUEPUTAS…!

Todo malparido que se encuentre en estos bares después de las 10:00 PM noresponderemos si caen inocentes. Este más con su familia.

Jóvenes, no los queremos ver en [B]las esquinas parchados drogándose, [/B] estamos en limpieza esto es serio. [B]No consuma droga [/B], estudie mas y esté con sus padres reciban sus consejos y los buenos ejemplos. Esto esta PODRIDO.

[B]Vendedores de Drogas [/B], últimamente se esta creciendo el negocio de hasta [B]venderdroga en las esquinas [/B], ya no mas, métanse esa [B]droga por el CULO ARRIBA [/B], no mas

Ladronzuelos, dejen trabajar a la sociedad. Pilas que están PILLADOS…. JUICIO O MUERTE; USTED LO DECIDE… YA TENEMOS UNA LISTA DE BARRIDO INICIAL.

La organización lo ha decidido así, esta limpieza se necesita.

Empezaremos muy pronto, le pedimos perdón a la sociedad si caen inocentes. ESTO ES SOLO POR UNOS MESES
SEÑOR PADRE DE FAMILIA ESTE MAS CON SUS HIJOS, NO SEA UNO DE ELLOS LOS QUE CAIGA

EN ESTA LIMPIEZA…DIALOGEN. Ogdis.

Si Usted encuentra esta hoja, sáquele varias copias y repártalas a los amigos,vecinos, o a un familiar suyo que no caigan por no enterarse.

La organización no puede entregar esta hoja en cada casa, por eso pedimos su colaboración."

[QUOTE=LuckyEddie]With all the crap going on in San Javier I can't tell if this will be a big year or not for Las Aguilas Negras and their Limpeaza - I bold the parts about Drugs and prostitution - their position on prostitutes is from a spreading of AIDS (SIDA) standpoint. Many gangs take over the street and feel it is their duty to "Clean up" the city from Drug doers/sellers, prostitutes spreading aids and the homeless gamines.

I am not translating this now as I am out the door and I don't want to start a panic here - PM me if you want a translation. I only translated the first paragraph

Suffice it so say it may not happen this year (usually starts end of January) and has happened for the last 6 or 7 years unbeknownst to most of you here. It does not really affect Parque Lleras Poblado areas but does affect Centro and hillside barrios AT NIGHT.

Since we are talking about drugs and since safety is a major concern I think the fact that this exists should be sufficient enough to steer those looking to score weed to STAY OUT of Centro and nearby areas and parks at night. It is so much easier to score in Poblado. I have faith that none of you wander into dangerous barrios populares at night.



"LLEGO LA HORA DE LA LIMPIEZA SOCIAL

AHORA LE TOCA EL TURNO A LAS MALPARIDAS [B]PUTAS[/B] BASUQUERAS Y SIDOSAS, [B]VENDEDORES DE DROGAS[/B], LADRONES CALLEJEROS Y APARTAMENTEROS,JALADORES DE CARROS, SECUESTRADORES Y JOVENES CONSUMIDORES

[i]This time has come for social cleansing

Now is their turn, the motherfucking aids infected druggie prost**utes, Drug Dealers, street theives, home burglars, car theives, kidnappers and street kids.[/i]


YA LOS TENEMOS IDENTIFICADOS!



Para el pueblo en general, Ustedes han notado una creciente de la violencia, robos o atracos, [B]prostitucion y consumo de droga… etc.[/B] en los últimos tiempos, debido a todo esto nuestra organización ha tomado la irrevocable decisión de atacar la violencia con VIOLENCIA.

Ya no van a contagiar de SIDA a nadie más, solamente a los gusanos.

Tienen las horas contadas, [B]todas las putas de los bares y cantinas y las malparidas prepagos. [/B] Han contagiado a mucha gente de SIDA. Prepárense HIJUEPUTAS…!

Todo malparido que se encuentre en estos bares después de las 10:00 PM noresponderemos si caen inocentes. Este más con su familia.

Jóvenes, no los queremos ver en [B]las esquinas parchados drogándose, [/B] estamos en limpieza esto es serio. [B]No consuma droga [/B], estudie mas y esté con sus padres reciban sus consejos y los buenos ejemplos. Esto esta PODRIDO.

[B]Vendedores de Drogas [/B], últimamente se esta creciendo el negocio de hasta [B]venderdroga en las esquinas [/B], ya no mas, métanse esa [B]droga por el CULO ARRIBA [/B], no mas

Ladronzuelos, dejen trabajar a la sociedad. Pilas que están PILLADOS…. JUICIO O MUERTE; USTED LO DECIDE… YA TENEMOS UNA LISTA DE BARRIDO INICIAL.

La organización lo ha decidido así, esta limpieza se necesita.

Empezaremos muy pronto, le pedimos perdón a la sociedad si caen inocentes. ESTO ES SOLO POR UNOS MESES
SEÑOR PADRE DE FAMILIA ESTE MAS CON SUS HIJOS, NO SEA UNO DE ELLOS LOS QUE CAIGA

EN ESTA LIMPIEZA…DIALOGEN. Ogdis.

Si Usted encuentra esta hoja, sáquele varias copias y repártalas a los amigos,vecinos, o a un familiar suyo que no caigan por no enterarse.

La organización no puede entregar esta hoja en cada casa, por eso pedimos su colaboración."[/QUOTE]


This happened last year. I was curious to know about the "espacio publico". That was a community group working with the cops to get back control of the streets. I saw them all over centro looking to narc on people for anything.

[QUOTE=Artisttyp]This happened last year. I was curious to know about the "espacio publico". That was a community group working with the cops to get back control of the streets. I saw them all over centro looking to narc on people for anything.[/QUOTE]I'm a little skeptical about the "limpieza social" rhetoric in these "announcements." Is it really about stopping drug consumption and p4p? Or is it about controlling those businesses and asserting control over an area by killing off some of the street characters?

To me, it sounds like an excuse for a gang to wage a turf war but in any case, it's good to stay informed when it's "social cleansing season." :) But even in normal times, there's no need for a gringo to hang out in any of those dicey neighborhoods where this kind of stuff takes place, even during daylight hours.

[QUOTE=LuckyEddie]Trusted 3rd party to score weed is the best way. There are foreigners here who can help you out. Or you can go to the vendors around the poblado metro entrance - ask around, place your order (Cripa - pronounced CREEP-uh) and pick up the next day in broad daylight in the safe Poblado area. Those guys will sell multiple joints. You will pay a slight premium until you get dialed in with a better connection - who delivers right to your doorstep. But it's still cheap and most importantly safe.[/QUOTE]While I still think the cops in MDE have greater priorities than a gringo smoking a joint (like murders, robbery. . .), just avoid smoking and buying in a public space (outside or inside) and it should be fine.

It occured to me after mentioning the hostals in last night's post one other way to get your weed for those with weak Spanish. If you absolutely must score some cripa, just crash in a hostal for 3 days or so and make your contacts there. Then move on to a more comfortable place once you've accumulated a small stash.

Just be aware sometimes, there's a really strung out or addicted character staying there. He'll get you anything right away as long as you pay for some of his needs. That way can cost you more but it's a sure thing, as long as you don't feel too guilty about furthering someone's self-destructive path!

[QUOTE=Artisttyp]This happened last year. I was curious to know about the "espacio publico". That was a community group working with the cops to get back control of the streets. I saw them all over centro looking to narc on people for anything.[/QUOTE]

Can someone post the link to this thing? Sounds like paramilitary or death squad types...

"God forgives us if any innocents fall by the wayside..." what pricks...

[QUOTE=Concarne]Can someone post the link to this thing? Sounds like paramilitary or death squad types...

"God forgives us if any innocents fall by the wayside..." what pricks...[/QUOTE]


Espacio Publico and the vigilante groups are two different things. EP is a community based policing group ie. citizen watch group and the other madness is a para militar off the rocker thingy.

Both are to be taken seriously.

It has been mentioned many times before that colombians are not crazy about gringos going to colombia to screw their women. It would be wise to mention an alibi as to why you are in colombia..ie. photography business exploration. Regardless how good your alibi is they will still know why you are there but at least you aren't being crude about it.

Colombians are intelligent people and do not like to be treated like crap. Some other SA countries are more humble to these sort of things. Colombia is not one of those places.

Yea yea yea, I love people who act like there the only ones who travel Latin America, Blah blah blah! I am not going to argue with you. But you do things your way because you know your limitations, I will do mine my way. Happy Travels( stay in well lighted areas and lock your doors at night)


[QUOTE=Schwmmr]Go for it. A man of your obvious experience and guile will do fine in your own mind.

But it's not just me. Anybody with a real understanding of Latin America will tell ya that with that attitude and mentality in Colombia, it's only a matter of time until you are caught up by the laws of DARWIN.[/QUOTE]

Guys,

I will be in BGT soon. I did RTFF but was wondering re current info.

What is the better exchange currently? Somebody mentioned the citibank ATMs have the highest limit per day? Any point in bringing some cash or ATMs good enough?

TIA

[QUOTE=Caliguy 2010]This chick looks good and all but that is way too much. I know this is Mde but I was in Ctg at Tu Candela. I was at the bar asking for a round of Heinikens beautiful chick comes up to me starts talking blah blah blah. So I ask. So what are your plans tonight? Thats was my Q. So I said about how much would this costs me? She says for you looks me up and down like she is buying a used car and says 80k. I said hmmm you know what I am really looking for is a threesome. I think I may pass. Started to grab the beers and head back. All of a sudden another beautiful chica comes up and she says What do you think about the 2 of us? Is this what you are looking for. I could not help but smile a little bit. I have a great poker face but comeon there is only so much a guy can take. So I said look the thing is I only have 150 k Can you guys split that. They said yes I paid the bar tab got the hell back to the apt. Best time of my life long story short. In the morning they got me up in both ways. Made breakfast! And left arond 9am or so. So this chic wants 300 for 2 hours. Ask her if her name is Sofia Vergara. LOL.[/QUOTE]Caliguy. Nice story. That's the kind of stuff that makes this so fun. You never know when lighting will strike.

[QUOTE=Concarne]Guys,

I will be in BGT soon. I did RTFF but was wondering re current info.

What is the better exchange currently? Somebody mentioned the citibank ATMs have the highest limit per day? Any point in bringing some cash or ATMs good enough?

TIA[/QUOTE]

I always bring a small amount of cash for the US taxi and a cart or something to eat and drink at the airport but the rest will be all credit cards and ATM.. Citibank will give you the highest daily withdrawal limit but it comes at a hefty price. 2-3% PLUS a foreign transaction fee. Unless you have a citigold account. Try looking into a "no fee" card.

[QUOTE=Concarne]Guys,

I will be in BGT soon. I did RTFF but was wondering re current info.

What is the better exchange currently? Somebody mentioned the citibank ATMs have the highest limit per day? Any point in bringing some cash or ATMs good enough?

TIA[/QUOTE]I always bring a little cash and keep it in the safe you never know when and if you will have an ATM problem. At least you will have a some cushion if problems develop.

I've done some browsing and searching on the forum, and haven't come up with a lot about threesomes in Colombia. Compared with places I've visited that have dedicated clubs (Bangkok's Eden), clubs with pairs of girls roaming the floor offering them (Germanic country FKK's), massage parlors with "four hand" options explicitly on offer (Manila, Budapest, Bucharest), or escort services (sites I've seen in various places but never tried), there doesn't seem to be a lot of threesome much less group action on offer. Is this a cultural thing?
Any ideas about the places that would be most likely to have this - ie., would massage parlors be more open to these than casas or stripclubs? And how would you bring this up in Spanish? My Spanish is lacking though I've faked my way in various countries, but is there a particular phrase to use? Any ideas or experiences with particular places or costs (any locations, I'm sill working out my route) would be highly appreciated!

[QUOTE=Ibn Buttita] Any ideas about the places that would be most likely to have this - ie., would massage parlors be more open to these than casas or stripclubs? [/QUOTE]It is common in all these places.

[QUOTE=Ibn Buttita]And how would you bring this up in Spanish? My Spanish is lacking though I've faked my way in various countries, but is there a particular phrase to use? [/QUOTE]Easy. Say "Quiero dos chicas al mismo tiempo" (I would like two girls at the same time). That will positively get the ball rolling for you. PM me if you want any other phrases translated.

SMBKRN

[QUOTE=Ibn Buttita]I've done some browsing and searching on the forum, and haven't come up with a lot about threesomes in Colombia. Compared with places I've visited that have dedicated clubs (Bangkok's Eden), clubs with pairs of girls roaming the floor offering them (Germanic country FKK's), massage parlors with "four hand" options explicitly on offer (Manila, Budapest, Bucharest), or escort services (sites I've seen in various places but never tried), there doesn't seem to be a lot of threesome much less group action on offer. Is this a cultural thing?
Any ideas about the places that would be most likely to have this - ie., would massage parlors be more open to these than casas or stripclubs? And how would you bring this up in Spanish? My Spanish is lacking though I've faked my way in various countries, but is there a particular phrase to use? Any ideas or experiences with particular places or costs (any locations, I'm sill working out my route) would be highly appreciated![/QUOTE]

A threesome is just a "trio" and should not be hard to find in almost any place... especially in the clubs I think would be your best bet as there are just more girls concentrated there in one place... may be hard to get your ideal combination in a casa or massage place where there are only 4 or 5 girls working....

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]A threesome is just a "trio" and should not be hard to find in almost any place... especially in the clubs I think would be your best bet as there are just more girls concentrated there in one place... may be hard to get your ideal combination in a casa or massage place where there are only 4 or 5 girls working....[/QUOTE]The casas are my thing. I never got 2 at the same time but last time I was in Santa Fe one girl offered to send her friend in after we had finished and before I had gotten dressed. I didn't even know how she looked but I said yes. Hell you gotta figured I had already paid 10K for the room, 20K for the first chica, what was another 20K. So 2 back to back chicas and a room for 50K couldn't be beat...especially at 6am.

Haven't been yet, but it won't be long. I don't see any reports about getting them off the beach. You guys see them hanging out in the sun like in Brazil? Nothing hotter than brown skin in a bikini.

Thanks

Hi,

I have never been in Colombia or written anything in the Colombia forum. I spend my mongering time in East Europe. Anyway, I will possibly in connection with business be several times in Colombia after new year.

There are 4 cities that opbviously are good for fun: Bogota, Cali, Cartagena and Medellin. It would be interesting if some of the Colombia specialist will evaluate the cities regarding both P4P as well as semipros and freebies? I was thinking to spend some days in Cartagena, the combination of Caribbean coast and lots of girls is a winner:)! However, I may also travel more a round.

To get some impression of Colombian women I looked into Colombia Cupid. Are there any pros or semipros hidden there ?

After looking at the girls there, I notice 3 things:

1. Many girls/woman are rather fat: "too much junk in the trunk"! Is that what you also see when walking the streets? My impression has always been that Colombian women are VERY beautiful - and many are on the dating site too. But when you see photos in full size or look at height and weight, many even very young ones are quite big!

2. I see a surprising number of very good-looking women between 30 and 40, obviously they stay in great shape? is this real or is it good photoshopping?

3. There are a lot of single mothers.

Anybody wants to comment?

[QUOTE=Explorer69]Hi,

I have never been in Colombia or written anything in the Colombia forum. I spend my mongering time in East Europe. Anyway, I will possibly in connection with business be several times in Colombia after new year.

There are 4 cities that opbviously are good for fun: Bogota, Cali, Cartagena and Medellin. It would be interesting if some of the Colombia specialist will evaluate the cities regarding both P4P as well as semipros and freebies? I was thinking to spend some days in Cartagena, the combination of Caribbean coast and lots of girls is a winner:)! However, I may also travel more a round.

To get some impression of Colombian women I looked into Colombia Cupid. Are there any pros or semipros hidden there ?

After looking at the girls there, I notice 3 things:

1. Many girls/woman are rather fat: "too much junk in the trunk"! Is that what you also see when walking the streets? My impression has always been that Colombian women are VERY beautiful - and many are on the dating site too. But when you see photos in full size or look at height and weight, many even very young ones are quite big!

2. I see a surprising number of very good-looking women between 30 and 40, obviously they stay in great shape? is this real or is it good photoshopping?

3. There are a lot of single mothers.

Anybody wants to comment?[/QUOTE]
Hey Explorer,

For what its worth I will take a stab at some of your comments/observations. Know that I base this on my 3 weeks in January of this year AND the whole month of May this year also.

My observations are primarily from the Bogota area where I spent most of my time then did some adventure type stuff way out in the country.

#1 fat/junk in the trunk - I too am a spinner kinda guy so yes you do need to look a bit haarder for the thin spinner type as the Colombian womans body style and the image that is totally acceptable and, some would argue, admired by Colombian men is a very very curvey body. I must say that after spending a month straight this does grow on you as I am starting to see the real beauty of a curvey woman.

#2 30 to 40 year olds - they are in good shape, not all 30-40's but many are, this IS NOT photoshopping as the woman that you see on Colombian Cupid are real - I know as I have meet some of them, matter-of-fact they are usually better looking IMHO than the poor quality photos that they post on the dating sites.

#3 single mothers - BIG cultural problem that the girls have babies at usually 14 to 17 yo, you see being a catholic majority country abortions are a no-no (unlike Eastern Europe and Russia where abortion is THE birth control system they use). The sperm donner father SOB is seldom around after as they just want to fuck-em and move on. This is the acceptable norm/culture as the boys are coddled by their mothers, on and on and so the cycle just keeps repeating itself. Big problem with no end in sight for generations to come.

With all this being said I am planning on a trip in January 2011 to Baranquilla and Cartagena as I am already getting them on-board for my arrival :-)

The Tall Man

I dunno about personal tastes but compared to anywhere in the US women are still a helluva lot more on the skinny side. They are on the average a good 3-4" shorter though... Colombia is not a place for anybody who strongly prefers tall women...

The abortion thing, abortions are extremely common here, this isn't a Catholic country any more than Quebec or Italy or Portugal or Spain still are Catholic... girls all over the world have kids in their teens... Colombia actually has a LOWER birth rate than the USA does....

Keep in mind that on those dating sites, most of the time you are looking at the LOW-HANGING FRUIT... at least by local standards... anybody over 25 is (IMO wrongly) considered damaged goods, anybody with a less than stunning body, anybody with a kid or two in tow, all those women are going to have extreme difficulty landing a decent catch here in Colombia... so that's what you're going to see on the site...

[QUOTE=Explorer69]Hi,

I have never been in Colombia or written anything in the Colombia forum. I spend my mongering time in East Europe. Anyway, I will possibly in connection with business be several times in Colombia after new year.

There are 4 cities that opbviously are good for fun: Bogota, Cali, Cartagena and Medellin. It would be interesting if some of the Colombia specialist will evaluate the cities regarding both P4P as well as semipros and freebies? I was thinking to spend some days in Cartagena, the combination of Caribbean coast and lots of girls is a winner:)! However, I may also travel more a round.

To get some impression of Colombian women I looked into Colombia Cupid. Are there any pros or semipros hidden there ?

After looking at the girls there, I notice 3 things:

1. Many girls/woman are rather fat: "too much junk in the trunk"! Is that what you also see when walking the streets? My impression has always been that Colombian women are VERY beautiful - and many are on the dating site too. But when you see photos in full size or look at height and weight, many even very young ones are quite big!

2. I see a surprising number of very good-looking women between 30 and 40, obviously they stay in great shape? is this real or is it good photoshopping?

3. There are a lot of single mothers.

Anybody wants to comment?[/QUOTE]You missed something that might be important. Medellin has mostly beautiful white(some people say pale) women. Before I always liked dark women but Medellin changed that for me. Cali has alot of darker women, and a good mixture. Also Cali has a different vibe than Medellin. Never been to Cartegena but I hear there and Baranquilla have darker ladies. Thats what I love about Colombia, the transition with styles. It has so much to be discovered, but for now I'm hooked on Medellin. I'm the type of guy that buys a CD for one song and keeps playing repeat on that song. Then one day you take a long ride and hear the rest of the CD and like that, and forget about the first song. Get it?

Fellas,

I am purchasing a ticket from LAX to BOG but I notice there is a layover in Caracas for like 7-8 hours. Is this a wise idea, or should I just pay a little more and fly more direct? I speak Spanish fluently, no problems there. I would have time to catch a taxi somewhere hit a few casas and head back to the airport and catch my flight.

Any advice, greatly appreciated.

Dueling beauty pageants put income gap on view
In shadow of opulent Miss Colombia event, Cartagena's slums hold their own pageant
[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40447458/ns/world_news-the_new_york_times/?gt1=43001[/url]

[url]http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/11/15/5470474-homecoming-for-a-colombian-beauty-queen[/url]

Mr E, thanks for the link. I also saw this in the NYT today and here's a like to the slide show and video:

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2010/11/30/world/americas/20101130COLOMBIA.html[/url]

What's the story on Dollhouse? I see the ad banner, and I see the pics of the gorgeous women. Is it a hotel or a club or both. The $79 quoted is for staying the night in the room only? Are the girls working or are they non-pro civilians?

Why do these women in Latin America continue to carry purses when they know there is a propensity of being robbed? My girlfriend in Cali was robbed Monday in the middle of her block while waiting for the bus. She had her 2 cellulars, money, credit card, and all of her ids in her bag. To me a purse just screams out "Come get me please" to a robber. It is a damn shame, especially seeing that all of that shit could have fit into her pockets.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1101056]Why do these women in Latin America continue to carry purses when they know there is a propensity of being robbed? My girlfriend in Cali was robbed Monday in the middle of her block while waiting for the bus. She had her 2 cellulars, money, credit card, and all of her ids in her bag. To me a purse just screams out "Come get me please" to a robber. It is a damn shame, especially seeing that all of that shit could have fit into her pockets.[/QUOTE]Very common ocurence, very prevalent in Cali. Why does she need 2 celulars though. She should carry one at a time.

[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver;1101099]Very common ocurence, very prevalent in Cali. Why does she need 2 celulars though. She should carry one at a time.[/QUOTE]One is for her job and one is her personal. Also I know in Peru but I can not remember about Colombia that if you call a cell phone that uses the same carrier then it is cheaper than calling one of a different carrier so many people have more than one phone or at least SIM cards from various companies.

And carrying around all of her money and a credit card? Talking about putting all your eggs in one basket. If there is anything that I have learned from mongering it is to carry around no more than the amount of money you will need for immediate use.

Same as in the USA of A.

Do not carry what you can not afford to LOSE.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1101056]Why do these women in Latin America continue to carry purses when they know there is a propensity of being robbed? My girlfriend in Cali was robbed Monday in the middle of her block while waiting for the bus. She had her 2 cellulars, money, credit card, and all of her ids in her bag. To me a purse just screams out "Come get me please" to a robber. It is a damn shame, especially seeing that all of that shit could have fit into her pockets.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1101135]One is for her job and one is her personal. Also I know in Peru but I can not remember about Colombia that if you call a cell phone that uses the same carrier then it is cheaper than calling one of a different carrier so many people have more than one phone or at least SIM cards from various companies.

And carrying around all of her money and a credit card? Talking about putting all your eggs in one basket. If there is anything that I have learned from mongering it is to carry around no more than the amount of money you will need for immediate use. [/QUOTE]Yep, thats why all of my girls friends and family try to use Tigo, it gets very expensive crossing over phone companies. My girl only has had and uses the cheapest nokia 2120 40mil, She has been robbed a few times like every girl expects to a one point. Part of life in Cali unfortunately.

Do you have to pay customs or duty or a fee to bring a desktop / tower computer into Columbia? I will not bring a monitor; it's too heavy.

When you answer this question please state your certainty as a percent. "I'm 95% sure you can bring a tower thru customs" for example.

If it's not a problem, send me a PM.

How would customs know her age?

If she is a girlfriend and her family knows you and there are expectations, that is a different story.

[QUOTE=J. G. ; 34333]Johan:

I understand what you're saying, but let's take a hypothetical case when an American has sex with a 16 year old in Colombia or Honduras, and takes some pictures / videos for his own personal use. Accidentally, these pictures are discovered (for instance in a customs search, or his disgruntled girl friend discovers them, etc). Can that expose him to legal trouble in USA? I am just curious what the letter of law is on this issue.

But I do agree with you that the best policy would be to just stick with the 18 and above population! J. G. [/QUOTE]

[quote=digital curry; 1102136]how would customs know her age?

if she is a girlfriend and her family knows you and there are expectations, that is a different story. [/quote]a us law was passed several years ago that holds american citizens accountable to us laws pertaining to age of consent. so if the legal age of consent in another country is below 18, you can still be prosecuted in the us for corruption of a minor or worse ****phelia.

how would customs know? us law has a precedent for determining age based upon pictures and video, which is scientifically determined by hip-to-waist ratio, breasts, etcetra.

the best advice given is to not take photo's of your conquest and do not tell others about it. there have been very few instances of prosecution under this law, but profiling does occur and a frequent traveler to locations known for **** interactions can and most likely will be "flagged" by customs for special consideration. if visual content is found to be of questionable age, the burden of proof is on the citizen, not the government, to proove inocence.

be carefull out there! it only takes one time to ruin a life.

what the united states law says. 18 usc 2423 (c) , is among other things that you can't have commercial sex with a girl under 18, that is to say, pay for it. so this law is uniform, it doesn't matter what the law of the destination country is. if you hook up with an **** (under 18) prostitute, you have violated the law.

[quote=max mojo; 1102396]a us law was passed several years ago that holds american citizens accountable to us laws pertaining to age of consent. so if the legal age of consent in another country is below 18, you can still be prosecuted in the us for corruption of a minor or worse ****phelia.

how would customs know? us law has a precedent for determining age based upon pictures and video, which is scientifically determined by hip-to-waist ratio, breasts, etcetra.

the best advice given is to not take photo's of your conquest and do not tell others about it. there have been very few instances of prosecution under this law, but profiling does occur and a frequent traveler to locations known for **** interactions can and most likely will be "flagged" by customs for special consideration. if visual content is found to be of questionable age, the burden of proof is on the citizen, not the government, to proove inocence.

be carefull out there! it only takes one time to ruin a life. [/quote]

That's one really good thing about all the casas. You can be sure all the girls are of age. It only takes one mistake. I think some guys really play with fire

[QUOTE=Digital Curry; 1102134]Do you have to pay customs or duty or a fee to bring a desktop / tower computer into Columbia? I will not bring a monitor; it's too heavy.

When you answer this question please state your certainty as a percent."I'm 95% sure you can bring a tower thru customs" for example.

If it's not a problem, send me a PM. [/QUOTE]I'm 63. 9% sure that 43. 78% of your responses will be 73. 1% accurate.

I'm also 100% sure you don't know how to spell the name of the country.

On the other hand I'm 100% sure I've brought both PC towers, monitors, laptops, and Revos into the country without having to pay duty. I'm also 100% sure that YMMV.

[quote=furysys;1102764]that's one really good thing about all the casas. you can be sure all the girls are of age. it only takes one mistake. i think some guys really play with fire[/quote]dunno about that, the more stable reputable places yeah, some of the lower end ones get closed down all the time for having **** tune work in there.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1101135]One is for her job and one is her personal. Also I know in Peru but I can not remember about Colombia that if you call a cell phone that uses the same carrier then it is cheaper than calling one of a different carrier so many people have more than one phone or at least SIM cards from various companies.

And carrying around all of her money and a credit card? Talking about putting all your eggs in one basket. If there is anything that I have learned from mongering it is to carry around no more than the amount of money you will need for immediate use. [/QUOTE]And of course you replaced all the stolen items immediately. Hello? She's lying!

How long time is necessary to get through passport control and customs in Bogota when arriving with an international flight? I wonder how much time I need in between to catch a domestic flight?

[QUOTE=Explorer69;1104816]How long time is necessary to get through passport control and customs in Bogota when arriving with an international flight? I wonder how much time I need in between to catch a domestic flight?[/QUOTE]Two hours minimum to be safe, I never book a flight that has less than two and a half hours as I have missed my share of connections and it sucks. I'd rather have time to sit and check out the eye candy than miss my flight or be all stressed out worrying if I have enough time if the plane is even a little late. Keep in mind that you have to wait to claim your bags and take the shuttle to a different terminal.

My father-in-Law died and I know the customs in Colombia are different than that of the US and other parts of the world.

So, for a Roman Cathlalic Colombian is there anything I should send the mother-in-law?

Most in Colombia (who I know) do not carry a purse / pocket book when out for fun. When I am out with the my pockets are there's, not only for payment but to store the celullar and other thinks that do not fit into the tiny pockets of the Colombiana's jeans.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1101056]Why do these women in Latin America continue to carry purses when they know there is a propensity of being robbed? My girlfriend in Cali was robbed Monday in the middle of her block while waiting for the bus. She had her 2 cellulars, money, credit card, and all of her ids in her bag. To me a purse just screams out "Come get me please" to a robber. It is a damn shame, especially seeing that all of that shit could have fit into her pockets.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Justafool; 1104961]My father-in-Law died and I know the customs in Colombia are different than that of the US and other parts of the world.

So, for a Roman Cathlalic Colombian is there anything I should send the mother-in-law? [/QUOTE]Flowers (the bigger the better) and cards. Regardless of the strata.

Pretty universal stuff.

Maybe food or drink for the wake. Depending on yours and their circumstances.

Sorry, Schwmm

Went this from my usual place. I wanted a cold cut tray but I do not know who would do at such a short time.

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Thanks for the rely.

[QUOTE=Schwmmr; 1104968]Flowers (the bigger the better) and cards. Regardless of the strata.

Pretty universal stuff.

Maybe food or drink for the wake depending on yours and their circumstances.

Sorry, Schwmm[/QUOTE]

Does anyone know the general date / location of the "Best Butt" or Mejor Cola competition for Colombia? I know there's the Mejor Cola del Valle one in Cali for that region, but, just wondering when and where the national one is? Also, of course, I'd like to know if the girls are typically available for extra-curriculars. I'm sure the price is ridiculous if so? Also, trying to find out about the Chicas Car Audio girls. Is it a tour or a competition? Dates / Locations?

Thanks!

Rodeo

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1103400]And of course you replaced all the stolen items immediately. Hello? She's lying![/QUOTE]She was not lying dude. This is not a hooker I am talking about. This is someone whose house I stay at anytime I want. She has never asked me for anything. I have even started to make improvements at her house that she does not even want (such as hot water and electric appliances) so it will be more comfortable to my North American standards. So there is no need to concoct such a story.

Also a few days ago my number 1 novia in Lima was assaulted as well. She is a manager at an international accounting firm. She was at a light in broad daylight and there was other traffic as well. A guy broke her passenger side window, grabbed her by the hair and demanded her purse. Well she keeps her purse in the trunk. The only thing that was close was her Blackberry so he took that. It is a damn shame too. Do you know how long it took her to upgrade that damn phone. For years she had been carrying around an ancient artifact that she could not even text from. Here is a link with a picture of the broken window in her car.

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Why don't Latinas understand the difference between Christmas and Christmas Eve? They all think that Christmas is December 24 instead of December 25 because the 24th is when their families get together for dinner and presents. I'm not even Christian and I know the difference. Maybe I just need to start associating with smarter people.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1105391]Why don't Latinas understand the difference between Christmas and Christmas Eve? They all think that Christmas is December 24 instead of December 25 because the 24th is when their families get together for dinner and presents. I'm not even Christian and I know the difference. Maybe I just need to start associating with smarter people.[/QUOTE]Maybe you need to start understanding other cultures.

[QUOTE=Nino Bravo;1105434]Maybe you need to start understanding other cultures.[/QUOTE]I really thought I did seeing that I have a Bachelor's in French, a Master's in International Business, am working on a PhD in Cultural Anthropology, have studied in 5 countries, speak four languages besides my own, and have been to over 80 countries. But maybe all that was just money down the drain.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1105842]I really thought I did seeing that I have a Bachelor's in French, a Master's in International Business, am working on a PhD in Cultural Anthropology, have studied in 5 countries, speak four languages besides my own, and have been to over 80 countries. But maybe all that was just money down the drain.[/QUOTE]I took French for three years and that is one thing that I thought was money down the drain.

Anyway if you think Christmas Eve and Christmas day is seen differently then you will find (at least in Colombia) that Holy week observance basically ends on Saturday and not Sunday. I have no idea why and I don't care to know but at least I know that it is so.

Cheers,

Cubanut

Very impressive. Let me know when you get a degree in COMMMON SENSE.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1105842]I really thought I did seeing that I have a Bachelor's in French, a Master's in International Business, am working on a PhD in Cultural Anthropology, have studied in 5 countries, speak four languages besides my own, and have been to over 80 countries. But maybe all that was just money down the drain.[/QUOTE]

understand the difference but the celebration starts on the eve, maybe because the savior was jewish and all jewish holidays begin on the eve.

maybe you should be the smarter (not book smarter) and understand how it is done outside of your beliefs. my friends in the us, from various countries, do the same, in that most gifts are opened the night before.

i guess no one (from poor countries) will let santa in at night fearing he might be there to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], kill or rob. he could be from the farc, some mexican cartel or worse! maybe because most homes are without chimneys therefore santa cannot scoot down one so gifts are put under the tree before the night on the 24.

they do not call the 24th christmas, they call it something about the birth of the child of god; if you take the time to listen to the conversations you will hear the children being asked what they received for the eve of the birth of god.

maybe if you took your head out of the books and actually observed the culture you will know more than to worry about the celebrations of the 24 into the 25. this year it is even worse because rolling into sunday means less action for you. three days you might be shut out if you did not have the right connections in advance. after all isn't this the time the family starts gathering for the 25, the 24, 23 or sooner.

sorry, this is not intended to insult but to educate and to amuse after all with all your intelligence you did not take the time to learn the people in the few days before the holiday as they went about lives in front of you. you should know they are very religious and most shut their legs (for money) during religious periods. these are also times they might open their hearts to those they deem deserving, the hardest puta can be the warmest lady during their holidays, please try to get to know how you are preying.

[quote=mr enternational;1105391]why don't latinas understand the difference between christmas and christmas eve? they all think that christmas is december 24 instead of december 25 because the 24th is when their families get together for dinner and presents. i'm not even christian and i know the difference. maybe i just need to start associating with smarter people.[/quote]