[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1594245]And to top it off has gotten quite expensive to boot.[/QUOTE]In US $$ what will it cost for a ST and for a LT for a day? Thinking food, local transportation, etc.
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[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1594245]And to top it off has gotten quite expensive to boot.[/QUOTE]In US $$ what will it cost for a ST and for a LT for a day? Thinking food, local transportation, etc.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1594296]The Thai population grew by 10 percent from 2000 to 2012, by about 6 million people. So there are not fewer girls, but about 3 million more than before. If you looked at figures comparing 1999 to 2014 the number would probably be even larger.
[/QUOTE]Please! You statement is true as long as nobody in Thailand ages. I'm not sure, but I think everybody does.
I don't know if this link will work or not:
[URL]http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=th&v=25[/URL]
You can clearly see the decline. Thailand has gone from 16.86 births per 1,000 people in 2000 to 12.81/1,000 in 2012. That is a significant drop by any standard. Of course the population as a whole grew. However, as the girls in the industry age out there are far fewer to replace them. This is inarguable. The demographics clearly show that the population in Thailand is aging. It's not as bad as Japan, but it's unmistakable. There are and will be fewer and fewer "P4 P age" girls.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1594341]Arguable, absolutely. In fact a dumb statement. The economy booming?
There are plenty of girls just starting as newbies in a bar, who were previously at some street food stand, or similar. The level of customers was very disturbed by all the protests that were going on in Bangkok and outside Bangkok. The economy was not booming. The prices for rubber dropped through the floor. They simply were not getting enough money to make ends meet. Could have been suburb of Bangkok like Minburi or further up country like Suphanburi.
They start in the bar and sometimes only last a short time, as they don't like the work. In other cases, they keep coming back because they are making more money, and they can't do without that. Some are working the bar intermittently to fill in the money gaps. Can they think of some other job, without education that will provide the same bare minimum money needed to pay the bills? No.
Are they the Dregs? Well in terms of lacking a good education, they may be, but this has always been the case. No change there. Are there any good quality girls, for looks and overall character? Yes there are, not always in the same girl though. I don't bother to get to know the real "dregs" in a bar. In my case I would rate 50% of the young bar girls or more as over weight. That is the "dregs" for me. I don't care how well educated they are.
I did not go get a girl for the purpose of deep conversation. Its for sex. So looks and willingness to have fun is what matters.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.tradingeconomics.com/thailand/unemployment-rate[/URL]
In May, 2014, Thailand's unemployment rate skyrocketed from 0. 90% to 0. 94%. I'd like to know what you consider booming. Obama has wet dreams about unemployment below 6%.
[QUOTE=Bigatl164;1594382]In US $$ what will it cost for a ST and for a LT for a day? Thinking food, local transportation, etc.[/QUOTE]You are NOT IN the US.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1594494]Please! You statement is true as long as nobody in Thailand ages. I'm not sure, but I think everybody does.
I don't know if this link will work or not:
[URL]http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=th&v=25[/URL]
You can clearly see the decline. Thailand has gone from 16.86 births per 1,000 people in 2000 to 12.81/1,000 in 2012. That is a significant drop by any standard. Of course the population as a whole grew. However, as the girls in the industry age out there are far fewer to replace them. This is inarguable. The demographics clearly show that the population in Thailand is aging. It's not as bad as Japan, but it's unmistakable. There are and will be fewer and fewer "P4 P age" girls.[/QUOTE]You hit the nail right on the head!
An analysis of Thailand's changing demographics requires looking at birth rates and mortality rates. Birth rates are declining, but the population increases because there is a larger drop in mortality rates. Your first sentence speaks directly to this point. More and more Thais are aging longer and longer. There are fewer young people and more middle age and elderly people in Thailand's growing population.
There are also more and better employment opportunities, at least in Bangkok. One of the ladies I spent considerable time with on the trip I just completed told me she could easily find a job paying B20K a month. She's a smart lady with good English skills but has little formal education. She said this is about how much she budgets for herself to live on in Bangkok; but she went into the P4P industry to send money home to rebuild her families house that was destroyed in a flood. She needs an income she can only make selling her body to have enough to live on and pay for the house her family is building.
[QUOTE=Bigatl164;1594382]In US $$ what will it cost for a ST and for a LT for a day? Thinking food, local transportation, etc.[/QUOTE]There is ample information on this and other websites on ST and LT costs for gogo bar girls and freelancers. You can also find mass transit (BTS and MRT) costs on the internet. Typing "Bangkok taxi fares" into Google will give you an idea of how much taxis will cost. Food costs depend on where you want to eat, for example sidewalk stands versus tourist restaurants. Again lot's of info available through Google searches. You can also find US$ to baht exchange rates on the internet. Divide the prices in baht by the dollar to baht exchange rate (which should be something around 32) and you will have the cost in dollars. Don't worry. It's not rocket science. It just takes a little research and some basic arithmetic. Of course this does require an investment of a small amount of time and a very little bit of work.
[QUOTE=Bigatl164;1594382]In US $$ what will it cost for a ST and for a LT for a day? Thinking food, local transportation, etc.[/QUOTE]As your question is not very specific, the answer will be very rough too.
ST (about 1 to 2 hours, one pop) anything beween 30 USD (1000 baht) to 90 USD (3000 baht).
LT (one night, 1 or 2 pops before sleeping, one pop in the morning) anything between 75 USD (2500 baht) to 150 USD (5000 baht).
A whole day? I have no idea, I *guess* about 150 USD (5000 baht) should be enough. Food is cheap in Thailand: take her to a food court and for the two of you (breakfast, lunch and dinner) 30 to 40 USD will be fine, a bit more if you drink alcohol of course. Transportation by public transport is cheap: 10 dollar will take you a long way.
my first night on the town was thursday, 12 june. curfew had not ended so i headed out for soi cowboy and crazy house at about 7 pm. as i walked past thermae i couldn't help but notice a good crowd of well dressed and very good looking young ladies were gathered outside. soi cowboy was dead. went into dollhouse, suzy wong and baccara. baccara had a decent crowd of japanese gents. the stage was full; the ladies were mostly pretty and naked; but the mood was subdued. i entered with no intension of staying. dollhouse and suzy wong were dead; one or two other customers; a smaller contingency of ladies on stage than i expected. all wore nothing but long faces. my entrance did not significantly improve the mood. i quickly left each establishment.
crazy house was a different story. it was mostly full of customers. i noticed about three open chairs; moved to the back just in front of the ladies waiting to go on stage and took a seat. the stage was packed. most ladies were nude. a few wore g-strings. i watched two lineups. the quality of the lineups lived up to my best expectations. i did not see one lady whom i did not find attractive. there was also a lively mood. while some of the ladies wore the zombie faces common among gogo girls, many were joking, laughing and having fun on stage. a few of the ladies from the alternate lineup were either sitting with customers or roaming the floor. all of these ladies wore nothing but their birthday suits. as each walked past me i got my balls caressed and a lot of bare skin rubbed against me. most enjoyable.
as other have reported, a few of the girls clearly looked ****. i would guess they were about 15. as i mentioned in my first report a couple of days ago, i got into a brief discussion with an employee who, sensing i disapproved, rather haughtily acknowledged that a couple of the ladies were that young. neither of us were in any mood to continue our conversation so he left and in a few minutes one of the mamasans, named pa, approached me. we hit it off and got into a discussion about the curfew. she said they were opening early, drawing a good crowd, but the number of bar fines was way down. she then asked if i was interested in one of the ladies. i answered that i was interested in most of the ladies and i needed her to help me narrow it down. she then asked if i wanted young versus old and big versus small breasts. i told her not too young and i preferred natural breasts. she then asked how i liked #32. number 32 appeared all natural and was one of the happy, animated ladies on stage whom several of the other younger looking ladies seemed to orbit around. pa told me at 31 she was one of the oldest ladies in the club. pa added that her english is excellent, she has a lot of experience and is a fun and happy lady. her behavior on stage confirmed that. i then told pa it was getting late, it was about 9 pm, so i'd like to see her as soon as her set is done. as #32 walked off the stage pa approached her. both looked over at me and #32 got a big smile on her face. cutting to the chase, i bought her and a friend of hers a lady drink, then settled the tab and headed out for my hotel.
in the room we chatted for a bit and then got down to business. the young lady told me her name was pen, which she pronounced like someone from the usa would say pin. said she was from issan, had worked in bangkok and pattaya for about ten years. got into the business because she had two children and a bum for a husband who liked to smack her around. she got rid of him and started dancing and fucking to support the kids who lived with mom. she had spent the last year in hua hin where she had a sponsor. when he stopped paying a couple of months ago she headed to bangkok. she lamented the paucity of bar fines; claimed the last one was 10 days ago, which meant she had very little money and was very horny. as you can tell, pen was very talkative. her english was excellent. who knows how much of her story was true. fortunately the one part that seemed to be true was that she was very horny, or a very good actress; but as she was wet before i even touched her, i'm inclined to believe she was in deed very horny. summing up the sex: good dfk, really got into daty, gave a cbj but aggressively so it was not bad. fucking was her forte; many positions; a couple of orgasms; and kept wanting more. one surprise was she really got into me playing with her ass. enjoyed having first a finger and then both of my thumbs in her asshole while i fucked her doggy, but i'll be damn, she wouldn't take my dick in her ass, and i was wearing a condom. another surprise was she had no interest in two toys i brought on the trip. one was an anal probe: a semi-rigid shaft with graduated sized balls on it with vibration. the other was an ina 2 by lelo. her remark was something like i don't need a vibrator, i've got your cock. i suppose that should have made me feel good, but i enjoy alternating fucking and toy play, trying to make women squirt or at least cumming until they are exhausted. we sucked and fucked from 9:30 pm to about 11:30 pm. over all she was a fun lady and a very good fuck. i gave her 2500 plus 100 for a taxi. if you think that was too much, sorry. i've written before, i'm fortunate, a few hundred baht are inconsequential to me; and i did believe her when she said she had few bar fines since arriving in bangkok. got her number before she left. i ended up calling her the next morning and arranged for her to come over at 2 pm before work. she said she had to be at crazy house by 4:30. she showed up a few minutes early; and we had another great 2 hour session. i paid her the same, minus the 100 for a taxi and we walked towards crazy house. on the way i asked if she was hungry. surprise, she said yes and that she knew where we should eat. just before reaching crazy house she led me into a store front past an open kitchen into a dining room. the name of the place was the love scene. pen said it was open 24/7 and popular with the ladies in and around soi cowboy. the food was okay; they had beer and whisky; the prices were reasonable; i could sit there, eat and watch the world cup at 4 am so i made many subsequent visits; and 4 am turned out to be a fairly busy time.
pen liked to pose nude so i took many photos. here are two for your enjoyment. she said she was cool with me posting them on isg.
Sounds like you had a good time at Crazy House Paul. I liked the talent level and the attitude of the girls.
I brought my brand new Lelo Mia 2 along on the trip and thought I would give it a try, but I kind of forgot to take it out of the suitcase the entire 7 weeks I was on the road. LOL. I guess I am an old fashioned guy and it is hard to change my ways. I like to use my hands, my mouth and my tongue on young Asian girls.
Love Scene, what can you say? The food is pretty good and the ambiance is amazing. I take my favorite Go Go girl there all the time. It is kind of our place. Here is a sample dinner we had there one night: raw giant clams, sea bass in lemon grass broth, and stir fried morning glory. It makes me homesick for BKK.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1594592]Sounds like you had a good time at Crazy House Paul.
Love Scene, what can you say? The food is pretty good and the ambiance is amazing. [/QUOTE]Yeh, I liked the Love Scene. When I'm back in the late fall I'm going to ask if they have a frequent diner program.
Pen left me just before 5pm. I hung around the Love Scene and ordered some more food. I let Pen do the orders we shared. I told her to order a couple of things for me that were not too spicy. She said no problem. Well, I did have a problem. We clearly have different ideas of what too spicy means. In fairness to her, I did try some of the items she ordered for herself and they were unbearably hot for me. I ended up offering her my food, which she eagerly gobbled done. After she left I ordered some chicken fried rice, ate, drank a couple of bottles of Chang and watched TV, not understanding a word being said during the program. About 6 pm I left the Love Scene and walked around Soi Cowboy. I had told Pen not to expect me at Crazy House that night. I walked around until it got dark and then started to drop in on random Soi Cowboy gogos, not paying any particular attention to which ones I visited. Cow was dead; the gogos were dead; the girls might as have well been dead. Ended up in Suzy Wong which was surprisingly lively. There were a couple of other customers. A couple more came and went while I was there. The lineup looked better than I recall in December. All naked ladies. No absolute beauties, but several girls were very fuckable. The ladies actually seemed to be having fun. I watched one line up, a staged show and another lineup. After some vacillation I decided I would bar fine one of the girls. My only question was which one. As I was cogitating on the subject a young lady walked up to me and asked if she could sit next to me. I looked at her. She was buck naked. I said sure. Her name was Bua and wore #47, or at least I'm pretty sure that was her name and number. If not, her name is Noon and her number is 82. I got both of these ladies' numbers. One is the Suzy Wong lady I'm now writing about. The other was at Dollhouse and I'll be reporting on her in the second report I write after this one. Anyway Bua, or Noon, has tan complexion; she's short probably about 155 cm, her face is no better than a 7, but she had a very nice body. In fact were she 10 or 15 cm taller she would have had a better body than Aor, #24 at Annie's. Her breasts were augmented, but like Aors, well done, and perhaps slightly larger. Unlike Aor, who had a little fat on her belly, Bua had a trim waist, full and firm hips and ass and as good a pair of legs as I've seen on a Thai lady, slender ankles, perfectly proportioned calves knees and thighs, with just the right amount of muscle tone.
Once she sat down I asked her why she wanted to sit with me, after all I said, there are other guys in here sitting alone. Why me? She replied, "You look relaxed and have a nice smile on your face. " My retort was, "How could I not smile with so many pretty, naked ladies on stage. " Some chit chat followed. I told her she had a gorgeous body. She replied, "Boobs too small;" and she proceeded to show me the scars under her armpits explaining the size boobs she wants will require an incision on the underside of her breasts. I exclaimed, "Don't do that. They're big enough. " She looked at me like that was an odd thing to say.
She didn't ask for a lady drink, so I got right to the point, ST or LT and how much? To my surprise she said in a very matter of fact tone, "Either and I want 2000 for ST and 4000 for LT. " I then asked her if she had eaten dinner; it was probably around 8pm; and if she liked to watch movies. My second question took her by surprise. After a moment of silence I said, "Let's go over to Terminal 21, check the movie times and get some dinner. Immediately she got a big grin on her face, practically shouted out yes, and jumped up saying she would go get dressed. I suggested we could just go as we are. I don't think she got it.
For a 63 year old fart with serious and highly cultivated artistic tastes who is into serious Academy Awards films, art house flics and Pink Panther movies the pickings were slim. Actually, there was nothing I had any interest in. I told Bua to choose. She picked the X-Men. Oh boy. :rolleyes: Noting the time, we went looking for dinner. Bua wanted Japanese. Unfortunately every Japanese restaurant we went to had a long wait, except for the one we finally ate at. As we hurriedly ate, it became clear why that restaurant did not have a long wait. So, slurp, slurp, chomp, chomp, run, run and we made it to the movie just in time to pay our respects to the king. Bua enjoyed the film. I slept through most of it. But she left the theater very happy, which was the whole point.
It was after 11pm when we got back to my room. We stripped. I admired her body some more. Then we jumped into the shower where she washed me very sensually. Then it was into the bed for a more than decent romp. Bua was not particularly into DFK or DATY, but she gave a fine BBBJ followed by a very nice fuck. After the BBBJ and before the fuck she said, "You big, but not too big, I like. " Whatever, I'll take a complement, even if I don't necessarily believe it's genuine. Actually, on this trip too often I encountered ladies who said I was too long for them and I had to be careful. Shit, it sure turned me one to hear that just as I was about to stick it in. In fact, Bua did seem to like my cock.
So whether Bua was rewarding me for treating her to a film or just likes to fuck, we had a good time. For the most part all she was interested in was a hard cock in her pussy and a lot of vigorous fucking in multiple positions. No anal. In fact she wouldn't let my fingers anywhere near her asshole. She also had no interest in my toys. Boo hoo! :( But she was a good fuck and had a couple of pretty good orgasms. She wasn't very vocal, but sure got into the motion.
After fucking for a good hour we feel asleep with her cuddled up next to me. Before going to sleep I turned the A/C down. I think she was cold and found my body throws off lots of heat. We woke in the morning, attended to our oral hygiene and had another round of fucking and sucking. Afterwards we showered and dressed. I suggested we walk over to Cafe@8 and have some breakfast. I go there a few times every trip. The ladies always recognize me. On my first visit this trip I was surprised to discover they have torn out the front making it open air. I liked the A/C better, but I'm sure it saves on the overhead and they are able to seat a few more people. Before leaving the room I paid Bua the 4000 and gave her a 500 tip. She was very happy. Of course she also got a couple of free meals, watched a move and got 100 for a taxi home. I was happy too. She turned out to be a very nice young lady, whose company I enjoyed, and a very nice fuck. And damn, what a body. If she was only a little taller. Unfortunately, no photos. She claims no one back in Issan has any idea what she does for a living. I felt like asking her if anyone back home wondered how and why her boobs got so big.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1594164]However, I suggest you look at a few demographic studies. In fact, somebody posted one to Stickman's site a while ago, but I'm too lazy to find it. It had a very cogent analysis, along with visual aids. [/QUOTE]I think it's this one: [URL]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/ReadersSubmissions2012/reader7741.htm[/URL].
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1594498]You are NOT IN the US.[/QUOTE]Thanks Dude, I was confused for a minute. Didn't mean to bother your fun.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1594592]Sounds like you had a good time at Crazy House Paul. I liked the talent level and the attitude of the girls.
I brought my brand new Lelo Mia 2 along on the trip and thought I would give it a try, but I kind of forgot to take it out of the suitcase the entire 7 weeks I was on the road. LOL. I guess I am an old fashioned guy and it is hard to change my ways. I like to use my hands, my mouth and my tongue on young Asian girls.
Love Scene, what can you say? The food is pretty good and the ambiance is amazing. I take my favorite Go Go girl there all the time. It is kind of our place. Here is a sample dinner we had there one night: raw giant clams, sea bass in lemon grass broth, and stir fried morning glory. It makes me homesick for BKK.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the nice food porn pics -- looks good enough to eat! BTW, not to be overly pedantic, but the giant clams are oysters!
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1594497][URL]http://www.tradingeconomics.com/thailand/unemployment-rate[/URL]
In May, 2014, Thailand's unemployment rate skyrocketed from 0. 90% to 0. 94%. I'd like to know what you consider booming. Obama has wet dreams about unemployment below 6%.[/QUOTE]Correct. Even restaurants have had to increase salaries to attract employees. There are just not enough folks to work. That is why Thailand was so distressed when all the Cambodian and Burmese workers fled. Yes, the economy is quite fine.
My reports are not chronological. I decided to organize them by industry: gogo versus massage parlors versus escorts, with the plat de resistance saved for last. I've written in previous posts that I'm not a big fan of gogos. So it logically follows that I spent a good deal of time in gogos and bar fined four different ladies. All of whom turned out to be more than satisfactory. Which of course contradicts my insistence that the gogos are not the best places to find a good fuck. What do I know?
A little more than half-way into my stay I wandered over to Nana Plaza. Actually, this was my second trip over there. My first visit was after a very nice dinner at Swan Seafood Restaurant. Thank you FruitNinja and Dr. BJ for the excellent recommendation. The steamed sea bass was splendid. First time I stopped into Rainbows 1 & 4, Spanky's, Mercury and a few other places. I left without bar fining anyone. I did buy a couple of buckets of ping pong balls at Mercury, threw them at the stage and watched the girls squeal and scamper about the room retrieving them. They all looked so sad that night. I wanted to do something to cheer them up. It worked. Briefly.
On my second visit to Nana, I went to the same venues. Don't ask me why. Actually I do know why I returned to Mercury. It had a decent lineup, on both visits. Actually, with the exception of the lineup at Crazy House on my first visit I saw little difference in the quality of the lineups from venue to venue. And I thought generally the ladies were better looking than in December. Of course there were a few fatties, a number of ladies with conspicuous C-sections, a few who were past their expiration date, and a couple who were downright ugly. But it's been a long time since I was confused for Brad Pitt. Actually, I've never been confused for Brad Pitt. So who am I to complain? Mercury pours a good drink at the best price of any bar I visited. First visit I ordered a soda water. They brought a glass with ice and gave me a full bottle. Then I ordered Black Label and got a more generous pour at a lower price than the cheap stuff at other bars. The staff is also very friendly and there is no pressure to buy lady drinks. And the music is decent. I really like the way they operate.
On both my visits Spanky's did this silly routine where the girls were all dancing on stage naked. Suddenly one of the door men bursts into the room, says something in Thai and all the girls, scream, run off stage and reappear in bikinis. When the same thing happened on the second visit, I began to think this must happens several times every night.
On both visits Rainbow 4 had an excellent lineup and the clientele appeared to be almost all east Asian. I sat, watched for a while and left. Saw a couple of tables with one lady and several men. Having witnessed how this plays out in the past, I imagined those ladies were looking forward to being well paid that night.
On my second trip to Nana my last port of call was Rainbow 1. It had a modest crowd, some Asian men and a few farangs. The ladies looked decent. I had a couple of drinks and was happy to be left alone. After a half hour or so I called over a mamasan who had dropped by to say Hello, about every ten minutes. I told her I wanted to take home a lady, but I wanted to be sure she'd make me happy. The mamasan asked what kind of lady I liked. I said petite, good English, I don't care if she's fair or tan, but I want a lady who is fun and likes a wild time. The reply I got was, "The lady you want is outside. I'll go get her. " In a few minutes she came back with a lady who was tan, petite, all smiles and very outgoing. Her English was very good. She said she was born and raised in Bangkok. Her name is Mojie. Her number is 58. Mojie seemed very happy to see me. I ordered her a couple of lady drinks. She slammed shots of tequila. We agreed ST at my hotel. I offered 2000. She wanted 2500. I said fine, but she had to convince me she was special. Well special she was. Back at the hotel she got down to business fast. Lickity split we stripped. Mojie didn't have a milligram of fat on her. Very petitie. Small perky breasts. Tight ass. Nice legs. Tiny waist. We showered and jumped into bed. She did a nice job of acting like she couldn't wait to get fucked. I'm thinking, she can't wait to get paid. Let's see how this plays out. We proceeded to kiss and hug. I worked my face down to her pussy and went to work on her clit with my tongue and pussy with my fingers, which she seemed to not mind at all. After savoring my oral techniques for a good ten minutes, she loudly announced, "Oh I want your cock in my mouth. " So I spun around into a 69 and we really went at it. She gave real porn star head with lots of spit, drivel, drool and gaging; plenty of hard sucking and she tried her best to perform a DT. Though she failed, I'd give her an A for effort.
Then we started to fuck. Missionary, Asian cow girl and doggy at a frenetic pace. After I'd guess about 15 minutes of vigorous fucking we worked our way over to a chaise lounge sofa at the foot of my bed. We started with her bent over the back of the sofa with her chest and face over the bed. I grabbed her by the wrists, pulled them back and pounded her as hard and fast and long as I could. Eventually she ended up with her head and shoulders on the ground, her ass supported by the seat of the sofa and her legs in a V pointed towards the ceiling, with me pounding her pussy. Real porn star stuff. And very vocal. Fake. But well done. I think she was enjoying herself, but she was over the top. After about half an hour of fucking she moaned,
"I want you to cum on my face."
"I want you to cum in my mouth."
"I want to taste your cum."
I was really get into it.
Then she said,
"Just don't cum in my hair."
I cracked up laughing. Then she started to laugh. I asked her if she had ever done a porn movie. She looked at me surprised and said no. I told her she should; she was quite the actress; and I was having the time of my life. This seemed to delight her. No doubt she was imagining many, many baht raining down on her. She climbed onto the sofa on her back and told me to straddle her face and fuck her mouth until I came all over her face. Which I did. And she licked my dick clean, took her finger and pushed all the cum on her face into her mouth, swallowing every drop. Clearly she had watched this being done in porn movies and had practiced the scene before. Then she hopped up; cleaned up and got dressed. I gave her 3000; she was worth every baht; and asked for pictures. She replied. "Only with my dress on. No naked photos. " I stuck out my lips and pouted. She laughed and posed.
Enjoy. I only got half a dozen photos. They're all basically the same. These are the best two.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1594494]Please! You statement is true as long as nobody in Thailand ages. I'm not sure, but I think everybody does.
I don't know if this link will work or not:
[URL]http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=th&v=25[/URL]
You can clearly see the decline. Thailand has gone from 16.86 births per 1,000 people in 2000 to 12.81/1,000 in 2012. That is a significant drop by any standard. Of course the population as a whole grew. However, as the girls in the industry age out there are far fewer to replace them. This is inarguable. The demographics clearly show that the population in Thailand is aging. It's not as bad as Japan, but it's unmistakable. There are and will be fewer and fewer "P4 P age" girls.[/QUOTE]The stats for Thailand as a whole do not tell us anything about the farang specific P4 P markets' number of ladies, which is made up almost entirely of poverty striken areas north of Bangkok, not the relatively rich Bangkok middle class or the South of Thailand. For example, Isaan:
"The vast majority of the Isaan people have finished grammar school at best.
"It is surprising but well known that most of the time, it is the young female who rescues her family, while many men tend to be freer to live their lives. There is always at least one person in every family, who knows intuitively from an early age that she will become responsible for improving the whole family's life out of poverty while the rest of the family lives from her earnings.
[URL]http://www.goodwillthailand.org/isaan[/URL]
"Within Thailand, the Isaan are famous for making anything into food. Herbs and leaves from around the house provide the needed vegetables, and e. G. Beetles, lizards, and red ants eggs are common parts of Isaan dishes. ".
[URL]http://www.omfisaan.net/index.php/thailand-and-isaan[/URL]
"As of 1997 Thailand was listed as having the highest number of reported cases of HIV in Asia with an estimate of 6% of the Thai population between the ages of 15 and 45 or 2% of the total population. ".
[URL]http://www.thaicov.org/thailand/isaan.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1594649]On my second trip to Nana my last port of call was Rainbow 1. It had a modest crowd, some Asian men and a few farangs. The ladies looked decent. I had a couple of drinks and was happy to be left alone. After a half hour or so I called over a mamasan who had dropped by to say Hello, about every ten minutes. I told her I wanted to take home a lady, but I wanted to be sure she'd make me happy. The mamasan asked what kind of lady I liked. I said petite, good English, I don't care if she's fair or tan, but I want a lady who is fun and likes a wild time. The reply I got was, "The lady you want is outside. I'll go get her. " In a few minutes she came back with a lady who was tan, petite, all smiles and very outgoing. Her English was very good. She said she was born and raised in Bangkok. Her name is Mojie. Her number is 58. Mojie seemed very happy to see me. I ordered her a couple of lady drinks. She slammed shots of tequila. We agreed ST at my hotel. I offered 2000. She wanted 2500. I said fine, but she had to convince me she was special. Well special she was. Back at the hotel she got down to business fast. Lickity split we stripped. Mojie didn't have a milligram of fat on her. Very petitie. Small perky breasts. Tight ass. Nice legs. Tiny waist. We showered and jumped into bed. She did a nice job of acting like she couldn't wait to get fucked. I'm thinking, she can't wait to get paid. Let's see how this plays out. We proceeded to kiss and hug. I worked my face down to her pussy and went to work on her clit with my tongue and pussy with my fingers, which she seemed to not mind at all. After savoring my oral techniques for a good ten minutes, she loudly announced, "Oh I want your cock in my mouth. " So I spun around into a 69 and we really went at it. She gave real porn star head with lots of spit, drivel, drool and gaging; plenty of hard sucking and she tried her best to perform a DT. Though she failed, I'd give her an A for effort.[/QUOTE]Thanks for all the reports. I think Mojie is very pretty.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1594497][URL]http://www.tradingeconomics.com/thailand/unemployment-rate[/URL]
In May, 2014, Thailand's unemployment rate skyrocketed from 0. 90% to 0. 94%. I'd like to know what you consider booming. Obama has wet dreams about unemployment below 6%.[/QUOTE]This is not the USA. Their is no social security. People are forced to work in some way, eve if its a bar. They have to eat. Comparing to USA official unemployment is meaningless.
You do a survey with country people. Those that used to okay On a rubber plantation now have severe problems. The price of rubber has been wrecked since Yingluck came to power. Just one example. The price of gas for cars was reduced, but price of gas for the poor to cook food went up dramatically.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1594649] She climbed onto the sofa on her back and told me to straddle her face and fuck her mouth until I came all over her face. Which I did. And she licked my dick clean, took her finger and pushed all the cum on her face into her mouth, swallowing every drop. Clearly she had watched this being done in porn movies and had practiced the scene before. .[/QUOTE]Thanks for the great report. No doubt your girl will get more business after this post. She should pay you for the advertising!
Stay horny my friend.
Uncle-V.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1594611]If not, her name is Noon and her number is 82. I got both of these ladies' numbers. One is the Suzy Wong lady I'm now writing about. The other was at Dollhouse and I'll be reporting on her in the second report I write after this one. Anyway Bua, or Noon, has tan complexion; she's short probably about 155 cm, her face is no better than a 7, but she had a very nice body. In fact were she 10 or 15 cm taller she would have had a better body than Aor, #24 at Annie's. Her breasts were augmented, but like Aors, well done, and perhaps slightly larger. Unlike Aor, who had a little fat on her belly, Bua had a
You writeup re Bua and Noon is a bit confusing.
Noon is very well known at Suzi Wong. Absolutely one of the worse looking girls in the place (for my taste). I am not sure which one you are comparing to Aor trim waist, full and firm hips and ass and as good a pair of legs as I've seen on a Thai lady, slender ankles, perfectly proportioned calves knees and thighs, with just the right amount of muscle tone[/QUOTE]Paul, your taste is evidently nothing like mine. So this should be borne in mind. I like slim. I also like a much smaller face on a girl.
at Annies (and how you could make a comparison). I haven't seen Aor since her tits were done, so perhaps this is relevant. Noon has broad sillies (not nice at all in my opinion), broad face, broad ass, just nothing good about her, unless you really like broad. She is famous for going at customers in a flash, completely lacking any shyness. The contrast between her and the quality slim girl Noo Dee, is extraordinary. Some customers, including a weak buddy of mine, just don't know how to escape a determined girl like Noon. He said she was pretty useless to him on the bed. She probably likes younger guys including questionable Thai types. Noon is not a girl of good character, the reasons I best not go into. It is stories I hear from other girls (rumours), since I never had anything to do with her myself. Not sure who is Bua. I gather she is in Dollhouse or am I too confused?
Noo Dee visited me daytime, but was not working in evening due to her period arriving. Saw pics of both NooDee and Noon / Nun, with some others from a two day visit to the temple for recent Buddhist festival. NooDee lost weight in the two day temple stay. Noon put on weight.
For sillies, the superior looking set in SW is Anne, very white skinned and curvy but slim girl. Her sillies are big soft Ds like a Lara Croft figure. She had very good tits even before they were done. That is why they are not hard. She is quite a good fuck as well. No problem to repeat her at all, despite not normally going for sillies.
I went looking for Nat with the 10 body at Crazy House but she was absent. Not unusual. Bought a couple of drinks for her friend Bo (also big naturals), and for the waitress. Waitress makes only 5K per month so needs drinks and tips to help make reasonable money. Nude dancers get quite a bit more base salary. CH pays better than the other bars, attracting the better looking girls, and a few heffers.
Dollhouse does not really have anyone stunning that I could see last night, although perhaps I arrived too late. At 9. 30 PM+. There has been a very high girl turnover since my last visit so many new girls I did not recognise. I guess the prettier new girls work at Crazy House. Aor from Khorat (not new), a dancer out the front and inside (but not nude) has a trim curvy body, very cute face and very sexy. I will try sometime. Noi, is an older girl there with super body (magnificent ass), if you like slim, and a super fuck with squeeze box pussy. She was absent, probably BFed already or lazy to work when raining.
Last night I took Chocolat from Doll House for ST. A front of house girl so wearing a sexy dress. Dark skin, face only moderately pretty (Aor looks better), however very bubbly playful personality convinced me. Slim very good body, nice natural tits. There was no discussion about price. She probably heard from other girls I pay okay There was no mention of ST or LT so I assumed ST was her assumption. She had a mouth problem which Thais call "rorn nai" (means ulcers). Bacterial infection, like Impetigo. Easily cured with antibiotics. So no kissing and I could see I should not ask her to do BJ as would be painful for her. Even eating was difficult for her.
Gave her a good DATY and a good fuck. Her cervix was only 4 inches in and descended so I had to go at it very carefully / gently. Still managed a good fuck and came during doggy, relatively quickly for me. Tight pussy, no children. She would be better suited to guys with very small dicks I think or at least gentle guys, as cervix could easily get pounded by a bang bang type of guy. So I will move on to girls with pussy much larger where do not need to worry about damaging them too easily. Chocolat was a bit too tight to be best suited to me.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1594523]As your question is not very specific, the answer will be very rough too.
ST (about 1 to 2 hours, one pop) anything beween 30 USD (1000 baht) to 90 USD (3000 baht).
LT (one night, 1 or 2 pops before sleeping, one pop in the morning) anything between 75 USD (2500 baht) to 150 USD (5000 baht).
A whole day? I have no idea, I *guess* about 150 USD (5000 baht) should be enough. Food is cheap in Thailand: take her to a food court and for the two of you (breakfast, lunch and dinner) 30 to 40 USD will be fine, a bit more if you drink alcohol of course. Transportation by public transport is cheap: 10 dollar will take you a long way.[/QUOTE]Short time is 1000 standard unless you can negotiate less. Long time would be more like between 2000-3000.5000 for the whole day is ridiculous. There are enough people over paying and raising prices. Please don't don't join them and keep the prices low.
[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1594758]Thanks for the great report. No doubt your girl will get more business after this post. She should pay you for the advertising!
Stay horny my friend.
Uncle-V.[/QUOTE]Undoubtly a Superstar. I bet she gets over a 1000 dicks a year-easily. Perhaps income of over $75,000 a year- do the math if you doubt me. She has to get at least 3 customers a day.
Don't know how she does it but is very bubbly at all times.
Hi,
I was offered a HJ in airport. I was in transit with three hours to kill, and went to a massage place inside the terminal.
I got an OK massage, followed by a handshake. Was surprised, but what the hell!
[QUOTE=Mouse1;1545730]Suvarnabhumi Airport is a modern clean high-tech international airport. There may be one or two up-scale massage places there. But if you are staying air-side then I think the chances of getting what you seek are as close to zero as possible. It would be possible to come out of the airport and with some planning find some relief.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1594759]
For sillies, the superior looking set in SW is Anne, very white skinned and curvy but slim girl. Her sillies are big soft Ds like a Lara Croft figure. She had very good tits even before they were done. That is why they are not hard. She is quite a good fuck as well. No problem to repeat her at all, despite not normally going for sillies.
.[/QUOTE]Do you have any clue about Anne of Snow White 's working hours? I would like to try her this week.
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1594611]I watched one line up, a staged show and another lineup. After some vacillation I decided I would bar fine one of the girls. My only question was which one. As I was cogitating on the subject a young lady walked up to me and asked if she could sit next to me. I looked at her. She was buck naked. I said sure. Her name was Bua and wore #47, or at least I'm pretty sure that was her name and number. If not, her name is Noon and her number is 82. I got both of these ladies' numbers. One is the Suzy Wong lady I'm now writing about. The other was at Dollhouse and I'll be reporting on her in the second report I write after this one. Anyway Bua, or Noon, has tan complexion; she's short probably about 155 cm, her face is no better than a 7, but she had a very nice body. In fact were she 10 or 15 cm taller she would have had a better body than Aor, #24 at Annie's. Her breasts were augmented, but like Aors, well done, and perhaps slightly larger. Unlike Aor, who had a little fat on her belly, Bua had a trim waist, full and firm hips and ass and as good a pair of legs as I've seen on a Thai lady, slender ankles, perfectly proportioned calves knees and thighs, with just the right amount of muscle tone.
[/QUOTE]Reposting to unscramble it.
Paul, your taste is evidently nothing like mine. So this should be borne in mind. I like slim. I also like a much smaller face on a girl.
Your report is a bit confused between Bua and Noon, so I am guessing it was Bua you were describing. Noon does not have a body that is comparable to Annies Aor at all. I don't know Bua.
Noon is very well known at Suzi Wong. Absolutely one of the worse looking girls in the place (for my taste). Noon has broad sillies (not nice at all in my opinion), broad face, broad fat ass, just nothing good about her, unless you really like broad. She is famous for going at customers in a flash, completely lacking any shyness. The contrast between her and the quality slim girl Noo Dee, is extraordinary. Some customers, including a weak buddy of mine, just don't know how to escape a determined girl like Noon. He said she was pretty useless to him on the bed. She probably likes younger guys including questionable Thai types. Noon is not a girl of good character, the reasons I best not go into. It is stories I hear from other girls (rumours), since I never had anything to do with her myself. Not sure who is Bua. I gather she is in Dollhouse or am I too confused?
Noo Dee visited me daytime, but was not working in evening due to her period arriving. Saw pics of both NooDee and Noon / Nun, with some others from a two day visit to the temple for recent Buddhist festival. NooDee lost weight in the two day temple stay. Noon put on weight.
For sillies, the superior looking set in SW is Anne, very white skinned and curvy but slim girl. Her sillies are big soft Ds like a Lara Croft figure. She had very good tits even before they were done. That is why they are not hard. She is quite a good fuck as well. No problem to repeat her at all, despite not normally going for sillies.
I went looking for Nat with the 10 body at Crazy House but she was absent. Not unusual. Bought a couple of drinks for her friend Bo (also big naturals), and for the waitress. Waitress makes only 5 K per month so needs drinks and tips to help make reasonable money. Nude dancers get quite a bit more base salary. CH pays better than the other bars, attracting the better looking girls, and a few heffers.
Dollhouse does not really have anyone stunning that I could see last night, although perhaps I arrived too late. At 9. 30 PM+. There has been a very high girl turnover since my last visit so many new girls I did not recognise. I guess the prettier new girls work at Crazy House. Aor from Khorat (not new), a dancer out the front and inside (but not nude) has a trim curvy body, very cute face and very sexy. I will try sometime. Noi, is an older girl there with super body (magnificent ass), if you like slim, and a super fuck with squeeze box pussy. She was absent, probably BFed already or lazy to work when raining.
Last night I took Chocolat from Doll House for ST. A front of house girl so wearing a sexy dress. Dark skin, face only moderately pretty (Aor looks better), however very bubbly playful personality convinced me. Slim very good body, nice natural tits. There was no discussion about price. She probably heard from other girls I pay okay There was no mention of ST or LT so I assumed ST was her assumption. She had a mouth problem which Thais call "rorn nai" (means ulcers). Bacterial infection, like Impetigo. Easily cured with antibiotics. So no kissing and I could see I should not ask her to do BJ as would be painful for her. Even eating was difficult for her.
Gave her a good DATY and a good fuck. Her cervix was only 4 inches in and descended so I had to go at it very carefully / gently. Still managed a good fuck and came during doggy, relatively quickly for me. Tight pussy, no children. She would be better suited to guys with very small dicks I think or at least gentle guys, as cervix could easily get pounded by a bang bang type of guy. So I will move on to girls with pussy much larger where do not need to worry about damaging them too easily. Chocolat was a bit too tight to be best suited to me.
[QUOTE=BigWorld;1594785]Do you have any clue about Anne of Snow White 's working hours? I would like to try her this week.
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]BW, I was talking Suzi Wong (SW).
Girls turn up when they feel like it. I would suggest turning up early, e. G. 8 PM. Anne with white skin, small waist and Lara Croft like enhanced Dee cups is popular and can get BFed quickly these days. She has worked a few years at Suzi. I cannot guarantee she will be in. Ask the waiting staff, like Yao or Aor.
After two consecutive days of religious holidays where a lot of venues were closed, I was desperately aching for a return to normalcy. I went to the Beer Garden on Soi 7 in the afternoon, a first for me. I liked the ambiance, even though I was not well seated to view the talent. I did not partake.
In the evening it was raining cats and dogs. So I assumed there would be very few customers like me and the girls would be more eager. I was right, so that's a top-tip for you all: go-go bars are better on rainy days! Thankfully the rainy season is starting.
I went to Rainbow 4 to warm up. There's a psychological dimension to whoring and you've got to be in the right mood. There's nothing like having 5 or 6 sexy ladies shaking their money-maker 50 centimeters from your face to warm up. I call that being close to greatness.
But I don't like Rainbow 4 to consume, it is too big / industrial for my taste. And the girls have attitude: they think once they've been accepted at Rainbow 4 they've got it made.
So, on the strength of a report I've read recently on this August Forum, I tried Mercury. Also a first for me. I ordered a beer and almost immediately regretted doing so, because there was a very fat chick dancing almost naked. What are these people thinking? If I want to see fatsos I go to America, not Thailand. Anyway, Mercury had not lined up their A team. It was pretty early, like 11 pm I guess, but I wanted to see the World Cup final at 2 am so I didn't want to consume too late.
I was trapped there at least until I had finished my beer. It turned out to be fortunate, because the line-up changed and the Mercury A-team went on. There was one girl in particular, number 20 (don't know her name), who clearly had put it in her little head to get fucked by me as soon as she strode on the stage. She had a nice round ass, more reminiscent of a black girl's than an Asian one's, and a fantastically low waist-to-hip ratio. She had ass and she knew how to use it. She moved it very seductively while looking at me with fuck-me eyes.
I tried to look at other girls but my gaze came coming back to her. Some guys have a "boner test" but I prefer the "hypnotization test". If I can detach my eyes from a girl's body when she's dancing then I probably shouldn't barfine her.
Anyway I asked the waitress to invite my #20 for a lady drink. She sat down, and I soon discovered that she spoke absolutely no English! Not like the other girls, who pretend to speak no English but actually turn out to know a few words, enough to exchange some sentences. This one knew zilch! She must have been fresh off the boat from Isaan, which is a good thing, as I prefer them fresh rather than jaded. Since I don't know any Thai either, she had to let her eyes and her hands do the talking. She was very persuasive, so I barfined her (600 THB) for short-time (2000 THB).
We went to a short-time hotel just upstairs from Mercurcy which I'd never been to. It was very clean and looked new. In the room she was very good. She genuinely seemed to enjoy herself. She impaled herself on my cock and bounced herself up and down very hard. She came, or at least pretended to convincingly, I'll never know the difference and I don't even care. She ground her pussy into my groin. To finish, she did a Reverse Asian Cowgirl that made me spurt. She wanted to keep on fucking after that but I had to stop her.
In summary: highly recommended! She's not so young, maybe 26, with Asian girls it's hard to tell, but the key is that she had picked me among all the customers at Mercury, and that translated into a very spirited performance in the bedroom. Some girls just really like to fuck.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1594164]The scene is different. Whether or not it's better, or worse, is subjective. To my taste, it's worse because it lacks that indefinable, but real, "sanuk" quality.....
Add to that the booming economy, where women now don't have to work in a bar unless they want to. The result is that the dregs tend to wind up in the farang-oriented bars. Again, this is inarguable.
[/QUOTE]When the dregs start earning 2 k-3 k for ST, it's a clear indicator that things have gotten worse! This is old news of course.
[QUOTE=Amjeck;1594806]When the dregs start earning 2 k-3 k for ST, it's a clear indicator that things have gotten worse! This is old news of course.[/QUOTE]Same as our salaries, I am afraid. We also earn more than that time. Facts of life and evolution of the economy.
You come from the country and are happy to have a hit in the town as a hut you had back home, then you see others have a bit more than a hut and shower is inside, not udner the tree. So you aim to that, then you realise a moped is better than a bicycle etc. Ends up you aim to more money and if somebody pays you more, why not? He maybe pays you more as he knows it is still a good deal.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1594759]Paul, your taste is evidently nothing like mine. [/QUOTE]I saw a Noon, #82, and a Bua, #47. One worked at Suzy Wong, the other at Dollhouse. I will post on the Dollhouse lady later today. I also have two photos of her in which she is dressed, which I will post. I was pretty sure the lady I bar fined at SW was Bua. As I was not absolutely certain and there was a possibility it was Noon. I mentioned this in my report. The lady I was with did approach me, but not in an aggressive manner. And I had been there for some time before she did. She could hardly be accused of being aggressive. She spoke very little and rather softly. The lady I was with did have a broad, not particularly pretty, but definitely not ugly face.
I was with Aor several times in December. The Suzy Wong girl I was with was short, but unlike Aor, who had a layer of fat on her tummy, which may be visible in some of the photos I posted, if not it is visible in other photos I took, definitely had a firm and trim waist with no fat. Because she is short, this lady's hips and ass looked broader than Aors, but they were not. As for her legs, again other than being short, her legs were definitely nicer than Aor's. Aor's legs have no muscle tone. Her calves taper from below the knees to the ankles, which can be seen in photos I took. This lady's calves were better developed. The largest circumference was at the mid-point between her knees and ankles. Also, unlike Aor, this lady had developed hamstrings. Again the back of Aor's are straight from her buttocks to the knees, which is again illustrated in my photos of her. Definitely much better muscle development on this lady's legs. I'm a gym rat and see nicely toned to super fit ladies on a daily basis. I notice these things. As for the breasts, they were well done silicone, nicely shaped, probably no larger than Aor's, but appeared to be so on a smaller lady. I do not like silicone, but will put up with it. I do hate to imagine what this lady will look like when she gets her larger implants.
I really wish I had been able to take some photos, especially nude photos, of this lady. I like to post photos with my reports so guys can see what the girls really looks like.
At any rate, this lady neither looked nor behaved like the Noon you describe. None the less, I have noted your high standards. I have some sense of your taste in women. This lady would not meet your high standards. She's definitely not for you.
Frankly, I don't have such high standards. I can discern different levels of beauty and appreciate classic beauty. Downright ugly faces, bad, out of shape bodies, tats, scars, jiggly fat, these turn me off. I'm okay with more average and ordinary looks if there are other qualities I like, such as personality and performance. Of course while I can judge personality beforehand, one can only be sure of performance after the fact. Though I think I've had enough experience with enough women over too many decades to have some accurate expectations.
I always appreciate it when you take the time to reply to one of my reports. As I've mentioned several times, I value your knowledge and opinions.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1594838]I saw a Noon, #82, and a Bua, #47. One worked at Suzy Wong, the other at Dollhouse. I will post on the Dollhouse lady later today. I also have two photos of her in which she is dressed, which I will post. I was pretty sure the lady I bar fined at SW was Bua. As I was not absolutely certain and there was a possibility it was Noon. I mentioned this in my report. The lady I was with did approach me, but not in an aggressive manner. And I had been there for some time before she did. She could hardly be accused of being aggressive. She spoke very little and rather softly. The lady I was with did have a broad, not particularly pretty, but definitely not ugly face.
[/QUOTE]I really think there was a mix up. As I don't know Bua, she could be the one. I look forward to your pics if that could clear it up. I really just don't believe Noon could be compared to Aor at Annies, for figure. Aor has a stunning ass. Noon has a rubbish ass. So I don't want to think there is any possibility you meant Noon.
Unless there 2 Noons, but I doubt it.
normally here i just close my eyes and think tat it is someone else while getting serviced. therefore, i just take the 'first taxi off the rank' but walking in and letting the girl (whichever girl) follow me. today, walking up after getting a haircut and shave i spied a slim vision in the waiting pack and immediately grabbed her. nan (or nam) had a gazelle-like build and a lovely boat race. her skills, bluntly, were fair (one depth, one speed), but when she offered up her chin for me to cum on, i was pretty happy.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1594838]I saw a Noon, #82, and a Bua, #47. One worked at Suzy Wong, the other at Dollhouse. I will post on the Dollhouse lady later today. I also have two photos of her in which she is dressed, which I will post. I was pretty sure the lady I bar fined at SW was Bua. As I was not absolutely certain and there was a possibility it was Noon. I mentioned this in my report. The lady I was with did approach me, but not in an aggressive manner. And I had been there for some time before she did. She could hardly be accused of being aggressive. She spoke very little and rather softly. The lady I was with did have a broad, not particularly pretty, but definitely not ugly face.
[/QUOTE]Noon may not be aggressive but fastest gun in the west when it comes to approaching customers. My buddy failed to ever escape. I don't say Noon is ugly. Just a broad face does not appeal to me.
I really think there was a mix up. As I don't know Bua, she could be the one. I look forward to your pics if that could clear it up. I really just don't believe Noon could be compared to Aor at Annies, for figure. Aor has a stunning ass (when I last saw her). Okay she could have put on weight over time. Noon definitely has flabby saggy ass (the one I know with sillies at SW, yes Noo Dee confirms No. 82) and rather straightish figure. Noon is short but weight close to 50 Kg. In my estimation. Other slim girls same height would weigh just 42 Kg. Noo Dee agrees with me that her friend Noon does not have the greatest body (by our standards). Noo Dee, with exceptionally tight body, not an ounce of fat, is sitting watching movies in the lounge room, right now. Noon's body just could not compete with Aor the model in any way at all, unless you compare the sillies (I have not seen Aor's sillies). I guess I just don't notice muscle tone of the legs but I do notice the "gap" between the legs. I remember the old Aor. Maybe she has gone downhill a lot. Noo Dee also does not know who is Bua. There are too many girls in each bar, but she may be in Doll House.
I am still thinking your memory has got mixed after leaving too long to report. Could happen you met Noon and other girls and got confused which one had the excellent body. We are all known to make mistakes with memory from time to time. You already admitted to some confusion from the start.
I once wrote about Ba at Suzi, when the correct name was Maa (horse).
[QUOTE=Amjeck;1594806]When the dregs start earning 2 k-3 k for ST, it's a clear indicator that things have gotten worse! This is old news of course.[/QUOTE]You are correct. Its purely a function of a strong economy and very low unemployment.
Same as here in the states. Its the old expression "a rising tide lifts all boats". Even the ones that are old and rickety. When the housing bubble was at its peak here every idiot had a job and a BMW and all of them thought they deserved more.
Now without all that phony money inflating the system all those idiots are unemployed and many have (smartly) stopped looking. No problem as its as it should be.
Have no fear as no prosperity bubble lasts forever and one day, possibly soon, Thailand will go too far with their silly coups (or the idiot king will die) and some other 2nd world country starts stepping up their economy and the LOS will be back in the shitter.
Its just a question of how long.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1594645]Correct. Even restaurants have had to increase salaries to attract employees. There are just not enough folks to work. That is why Thailand was so distressed when all the Cambodian and Burmese workers fled. Yes, the economy is quite fine.[/QUOTE]You guys really make me laugh. The Cambodians, Burmese, Thai-Yai were being used because Thais that want to pay someone 120-150 Baht per day to work long hours serving food, washing the dishes etc., or labouring work, whatever. Thais will not take that sort of money. They cannot really live on that amount of money per day, even to feed just themselves with no one else to support. This happens in many countries, I see it a lot in Europe, where the low paid jobs are all taken by foreigners from very poor countries willing to be paid less than the locals.
So the aliens are moved out, of course these businesses are forced to pay higher. Otherwise no one will do it. Its not that everyone has adequate employment, its that they need more money to survive.
Thai Girls are working in the bars to make significantly more money than that. They have other family members to support in many cases, e. G. All the single mothers.
I notice many street food stands that used to be around here (Sukhumvit) are gone, coffee shops closed or empty. My favourite grilled chicken and Som Tam stand on Soi 19 is gone.
Tourism looks to be well down, due to the problems. Many bars are struggling for enough customers too.
You Farangs may be happy with the situation / economy. I can assure you the Thais I talk to are not generally happy with it. Everyone in the lower jobs is struggling. Many businesses in the tourist area just could not survive and shut down, Soi 33 of Sukhumvit has been dying. See how many customers they have in Mojos or The Office these days.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1594875]
You Farangs may be happy with the situation / economy. I can assure you the Thais I talk to are not generally happy with it. Everyone in the lower jobs is struggling. Many businesses in the tourist area just could not survive and shut down, Soi 33 of Sukhumvit has been dying. See how many customers they have in Mojos or The Office these days.[/QUOTE]Anyone who really understands Thailand knows the overall economic situation is decaying, especially 2014. The protests, the coup, the drastic drop in tourism has dropped growth rates significantly and there is still talk of a recession.
We've got over 300 employees in our Thailand office and I can assure you none of them are happy campers this year. Retail sales are down, retail accounts are delaying payment of goods, supply chains also being stretch for credit. And the 'government' is basically broke.
But for ISG members, that's not bad news, right? LOL.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1594849]Noon may not be aggressive but fastest gun in the west when it comes to approaching customers. My buddy failed to ever escape. I don't say Noon is ugly. Just a broad face does not appeal to me.
I really think there was a mix up.[/QUOTE]I had watched 2 lineups, separated by one stage show before the lady approached me.
I may very well have the names mixed up. I'm not very good with names, nor with rote memorization. I have good visual and episodic memory. I remember event and stories, peoples faces and conversations well. And at 63, my hippocampus is not as effective as it once was at moving information from my working memory into long term memory. I did send emails to friends containing terse descriptions of my exploits a day or two after they happened. I am using these to help jog my memory.
The SW lady I was with had very little body fat, a small waist relative to her hips and bust, with no saddle bags on her hips and upper outside thighs. Her ass was firm and projected back, not to the sides. She had small delicate feet and hands, and slender wrists, knees and ankles. Her core muscles were firm; and the muscle tone in her legs was like a runner's. In fact I asked her if she went to a gym regularly or ran. She said no.
It's a moot point. Whoever she is, she is no more than 155 cm tall and has a broad, plain face. Definitely not your type.
I'm going to work on my last gogo girl report. This last one worked at Dollhouse. I will post photos of her. Someone may recognize her and know her name. In which case we will know the name and number of the SW lady by process of elimination.
Late in my stay I ran another circuit through Soi Cowboy and vicinity. I started the evening with dinner at the Love Scene, which I became fonder of over time. By the end of my trip the people working there recognized and warmly greeted me.
I started my carousing at Crazy House. Didn't see Pen or Pa. Hopefully Pen had been bar fined. The onstage talent was very average and half the ladies wore bikini tops and G-strings. I visited CH four or five time. Other than the first night, which had the best lineup I've seen on many a trip, the lineups ranged from average to poor; and many of the ladies wore some, albeit very skimpy, clothing on stage. I went upstairs. There were about half a dozen girls up there. Several looked like they had their first period within the last year. I left.
I walked to the other end of Soi Cowboy and stopped in at the Corner Bar. Decent house band that was playing Pink Floyd's [I]The Wall[/I] as I walked in. Sat towards the back and ordered a drink. Was soon approached by a lady who looked to be around 40. She was a nice looking mature lady who spoke English well. No doubt she had been very attractive when she was 25. I bought her a couple of lady drinks and we chatted for about 30 minutes. At the onset I made it clear to her I was just there for some live music and a couple of drinks and then was heading out.
Walked in and out of a couple of bars, sat in a few, had some drinks and watched the girls on stage. I ended up at Dollhouse. Over the course of the evening no particular lady stood out, but by this time I was looking to get laid and figured, I'm here let's see if I can find someone who is acceptable. I did.
Her name was Noon and she was #82, or her name was Bua and her number was #47. Fuck me and my memory. Whoever this lady was she looked to be in her thirties but in good shape. No conspicuous tats. No C-section, sags or cellulite. Nice boobs, natural as I recall. As for her face, the photos make words unnecessary. I thought she was cute. (By the way, the lady at Suzy Wong was younger and darker but had a similar broad face that was a little less attractive than this ladies.) This lady's English was very good. Most of all, I liked her personality. I would describe her as happy and bubbly. I noticed she was one of the more animated ladies on stage who wore a big smile well. I got her attention while she danced. She came to my table after her set. We chatted. I bought her a lady drink. Having confirmed that I liked her personality I asked her back to my room for ST. She did not turn down my offer.
Back in the room we stripped, showered and jumped in bed. Though she didn't have a perfect body, her waist was a little thick as happens when women reach their thirties, I thought she was sexy; and the sex was good. DFK, DATY, she gave a very good BBBJ with lots of skilled ball sucking. She also did a nice job of running her tongue around and on, but not in the opening of my asshole. The boom boom was also very good. During the fucking she really got carried away. She had a couple of strong and very vocal orgasms. I would definitely classify her as a bit of a screamer. Seemed genuine. But I'd guess she's had at least ten years of experience which is plenty of time to hone some fine acting skills.
I gave her 2500 plus 100 for a taxi as I recall. I'm typically generous, especially on this trip. The hard times were apparent on the ladies faces.
So there you have it. Four ladies, all of whom were fine. Naturally, Mojie really stuck out. She was a porn star. Obviously fake and over the top, very dramatic, but I played along like we were two porn stars making a video. It was total fiction but fun. Generally, I thought there were more attractive ladies on the stages than in December. I'd say less than 10% of the ladies didn't belong on stage. However, other than the first night at Crazy House, there were few really attractive ladies. To give you an idea of the talent at Crazy House that night, Pen was definitely below average compared to the other ladies. I'm not sure why there were more decent looking ladies than I saw in December. My best guess is in December there were more customers, the better looking ones were getting bar fined and were not on stage as much. In June the ladies were not getting bar fined so there was a more representative sample of the talent on stage at any time. I was surprised that none of these ladies had any interest in my vibrators. This was not the case with all the ladies on this trip.
[quote=teacup;1594846]normally here i just close my eyes and think tat it is someone else while getting serviced. therefore, i just take the 'first taxi off the rank' but walking in and letting the girl (whichever girl) follow me. today, walking up after getting a haircut and shave i spied a slim vision in the waiting pack and immediately grabbed her. nan (or nam) had a gazelle-like build and a lovely boat race. her skills, bluntly, were fair (one depth, one speed), but when she offered up her chin for me to cum on, i was pretty happy.[/quote]surprisingly there were a couple of cuties sitting outside of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s when i walked to check out the soi.
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;1594875]You Farangs may be happy with the situation / economy. I can assure you the Thais I talk to are not generally happy with it. Everyone in the lower jobs is struggling. Many businesses in the tourist area just could not survive and shut down, Soi 33 of Sukhumvit has been dying. See how many customers they have in Mojos or The Office these days.[/QUOTE]Tourism is 6% of the Thai economy. A drop in the bucket. This is an export based economy.
[QUOTE=Bigatl164;1594382]In US $$ what will it cost for a ST and for a LT for a day? Thinking food, local transportation, etc.[/QUOTE]Apologies. I misunderstood the question. I thought you were trying to compare the cost of such services in Thailand versus equivalent in the USA.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1594746]This is not the USA. Their is no social security. People are forced to work in some way, eve if its a bar. They have to eat. Comparing to USA official unemployment is meaningless.
You do a survey with country people. Those that used to okay On a rubber plantation now have severe problems. The price of rubber has been wrecked since Yingluck came to power. Just one example. The price of gas for cars was reduced, but price of gas for the poor to cook food went up dramatically.[/QUOTE]I wasn't trying to draw a comparison with the USA. My point was that the Thai economy seems to be in pretty decent shape, at least as far as the overall unemployment numbers go. As with any economy there will be good areas and bad areas. But overall, I'd call anyplace with a sub-1% unemployment rate "booming. ".
In fact, an unemployment rate this small is a real problem. Business can't expand and it's very difficult to start new ones. There is no available labor pool from which to draw. So, I think you'll see labor costs continue to increase, perhaps significantly, over the next few years as businesses compete for available talent.
Today I went to Crazy House looking for Nat No. 5 with the 10 body and big high D- cups. Mamasan says she only showed one day about 2 weeks ago, which must have been the day I barfined her, and not seen since. Mamasan the secret of her growing tits was taking special hormones. Doesn't work for every girl. There were some nice skinny girls.
Decided to go get Aor at Dollhouse, a small slim but sexy cutie Coyote dancer. Dollhouse has a small number of Coyote dancers (wearing very cut off jean shorts). Aor turned out to be No. 35. May No. 25 (new girl) had a great slim body but face under a fringe was not quite right for me once I saw her close up. No. 17 was also very pretty (and slim). Renewed my acquaintance with Chocolat, and also Phraow, a girl with magnificent natural C cups and great lips. Unfortunately Phraow was previously a bomb-out in the room for me due to being "dick scared", or perhaps liking much younger guys, who knows. So Phraow is really hot looking for me, but no use to take her again I guess.
I also saw Bua, Paul K's No. 47. His recently attached pics are of Bua (definitely not Noon ). Much better body than Noon at Suzi Wong, but still rather too strong and thick looking for me. Face okay but not my spec. I clearly like the girls far skinnier than Paul. I like the semi-starved model types (well if they were taller they could be models). I guess Paul likes the girls built for power. Its lucky we all don't go for exactly the same thing.
Back to my girl Aor. Tiny just 150 cm and 40 Kg., very small tits, light coloured skin, comes from Khorat, super tight ass like an apple with very good gap underneath. Very small waist makes a good waist to thigh ratio. Face small and very cute little up turned nose. Turned out to be a non smoker and kissed me nicely on the bed. She responded a little bit to DATY but clearly was a bit shy and embarrassed. Let me finger her pussy, and although tightish I could find no problems. Extended fuck and also doggy was very nice. She knew how to gently massage my balls while fucking her. Exquisite feel for the sex. Will definitely repeat. Even though so small, a better match for me than Chocolat the previous night.
As usual no prices were discussed. She left it up to me. Must be due to being a long term well known customer. I guess the girls gossip and know lots about me before I even take them.
It appears that my previous regular skinny Noi with magnificent ass, has left DH and works 2nd floor Nana Plaza. I will have to ring to find out her new bar.
I can understand now that if Paul says the Crazy House line up was not that good, it might mean too many skinny girls with great gap, just right for me.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1594986]But overall, I'd call anyplace with a sub-1% unemployment rate "booming. ".
[/QUOTE]I'd call it a country with bad data collection agencies and suspect statistics.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1594995]I also saw Bua, Paul K's No. 47. His recently attached pics are of Bua (definitely not Noon ). Much better body than Noon at Suzi Wong, but still rather too strong and thick looking for me. Face okay but not my spec. I clearly like the girls far skinnier than Paul. I like the semi-starved model types (well if they were taller they could be models). I guess Paul likes the girls built for power. Its lucky we all don't go for exactly the same thing.[/QUOTE]Thank you for straightening out the confusion I created with my poor notes and even poorer memory. So I was with Noon at SW. The thing is the Bua at Dollhouse was about as stocky, taller, but less busty than the SW girl I was with; and as I mentioned in a previous post, the SW lady had very toned legs like a runner. Though short, in my opinion they were her best feature. She did have a sturdy looking body. The Dollhouse lady had a thicker waist, so between the two ladies, the SW lady had more of an hour glass figure.
As for my taste in women, I have broad tastes, or perhaps I have no taste. ;) Soon I'll submit reports on #50 at Dr BJ's Nuru who is rather tall for a Thai and thin as a rail. No photos but you can see her on the website. By the way she is much thinner in person than she appears there. I'll also report on Kate at Bamboo. I have photos of her, which show how skinny she is. She's also fairly tall for a Thai girl. I was with 2 different ladies at Nataree who were both thin and petite. Again reports are coming. Mujie from Rainbow 1 was also thin and petite. However, I was also with Pinky and others at Cherry Massage. She is very reubenesque. When I'm out looking for a lady, physical appearance is only one attribute I consider. I also consider the girls personality, how well we seem to get along and whether I think there is a good chance the sex will be fun. Sometimes I want more of a PSE in which case I will try to determine if the lady has a wild side. This is why I like to post photos with my reports. Syzygies seems to have a very clear idea of the exact physical qualities he looks for in a woman. He also has very high standards. So when he says he is attracted to a particular woman, I have some sense of at least what the woman's silhouette looks like. I also expect her to be very attractive. In my case, that's not possible. The lady could be tall or short, round or thin, busty or flat, attractive or rather ordinary. I do tend to go for ladies who are happy and smile a lot. But here again, there are exceptions. I guess with me the exceptions are the rules. I've got at least six more reports to file. I better get to work.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1595035]As for my taste in women, I have broad tastes, or perhaps I have no taste. ;) Soon I'll submit reports on #50 at Dr BJ's Nuru who is rather tall for a Thai and thin as a rail. No photos but you can see her on the website. By the way she is much thinner in person than she appears there. I'll also report on Kate at Bamboo. I have photos of her, which show how skinny she is. She's also fairly tall for a Thai girl. I was with 2 different ladies at Nataree who were both thin and petite. Again reports are coming. Mujie from Rainbow 1 was also thin and petite. However, I was also with Pinky and others at Cherry Massage. She is very reubenesque. When I'm out looking for a lady, physical appearance is only one attribute I consider. I also consider the girls personality, how well we seem to get along and whether I think there is a good chance the sex will be fun. Sometimes I want more of a PSE in which case I will try to determine if the lady has a wild side. This is why I like to post photos with my reports. Syzygies seems to have a very clear idea of the exact physical qualities he looks for in a woman. He also has very high standards. So when he says he is attracted to a particular woman, I have some sense of at least what the woman's silhouette looks like. I also expect her to be very attractive. In my case, that's not possible. The lady could be tall or short, round or thin, busty or flat, attractive or rather ordinary. I do tend to go for ladies who are happy and smile a lot. But here again, there are exceptions. I guess with me the exceptions are the rules. I've got at least six more reports to file. I better get to work.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reports and pictures Paul. Sounds like you had a good time. Glad my friend was able to direct you to some nice choices. As far as tastes go, I like them all. So I guess I have no taste either. I've met very few women that I couldn't get worked up over some part of her. Even a bubbly personality sometimes does the trick. I will say one thing: There are few women that look bad with my cock in their mouths.
Friend has invited me to Hua Hin. Was wondering if anyone has been down in that area and what is the availability for mongering. Or is it BYOG? Any help would be appreciated. Please PM if you have information to share. Thanks
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1595023]I'd call it a country with bad data collection agencies and suspect statistics.[/QUOTE]Perhaps. It couldn't be any worse than the book-cooking going on in the USA.
However, based on conversations I've had with friends in the Ex-I'm and software industries, it's damned difficult to find help unless you're willing to pay through the nose. One company I know didn't pay their software development staff a year-end bonus (or maybe it was just very small, I'm not sure). Anyway, the entire team walked. After about a year they still haven't been able to replace any of them.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1595093]Perhaps. It couldn't be any worse than the book-cooking going on in the USA.
However, based on conversations I've had with friends in the Ex-I'm and software industries, it's damned difficult to find help unless you're willing to pay through the nose. One company I know didn't pay their software development staff a year-end bonus (or maybe it was just very small, I'm not sure). Anyway, the entire team walked. After about a year they still haven't been able to replace any of them.[/QUOTE]Spot on. Finding good employees is tough as they all know another job is right around the corner.
[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1595073]Friend has invited me to Hua Hin. Was wondering if anyone has been down in that area and what is the availability for mongering. Or is it BYOG? Any help would be appreciated. Please PM if you have information to share. Thanks[/QUOTE]Haven't been to Hua Hin in about a year so take this into account. Go down by the Hilton as you walk along the soi in front of the Hilton there a # of sois on your left side. Just pick 1 of these and head down this leads into the bar area. Quite a number of bars and massage shops and a fair amount of action. I like it there as not as crazy as BKK just wander around a bit and you will figure out the lay out.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1595131]Spot on. Finding good employees is tough as they all know another job is right around the corner.[/QUOTE]Its known there are shortages in the highly skilled jobs. Most countries have many foreigners in IT like Indians for example and like myself. I don't work in my home country any more.
This does not provide alternate work for bargirls quite obviously. What are the well paid alternatives available to the poorly educated girls? I would estimate that Noo Dee the No. 1 girl in Suzi Wong makes well over 100 k per month, probably 120. Her education is not high but currently studying English. This is an exception of course. The average bar girl makes far less than this.
Some bar girls are only showing up sporadically when they need extra money. Nat No. 5 at Crazy House has the body that can pull a customer in a flash. However supposedly is rarely showing up to work. She is supposed to have a Tom girlfriend. May have some Farang guys supporting her too. Otherwise not sure where the money is coming from.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1595093]Perhaps. It couldn't be any worse than the book-cooking going on in the USA.
However, based on conversations I've had with friends in the Ex-I'm and software industries, it's damned difficult to find help unless you're willing to pay through the nose. One company I know didn't pay their software development staff a year-end bonus (or maybe it was just very small, I'm not sure). Anyway, the entire team walked. After about a year they still haven't been able to replace any of them.[/QUOTE]I have a feeling that the company is not doing too well and the local techies know that. Or they are not paying at or better than market salaries. We are going off base from our discussion of chicas but I think the local economy does have a lot to do with the supply of chicas.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1595035]Thank you for straightening out the confusion I created with my poor notes and even poorer memory. So I was with Noon at SW. The thing is the Bua at Dollhouse was about as stocky, taller, but less busty than the SW girl I was with; and as I mentioned in a previous post, the SW lady had very toned legs like a runner. Though short, in my opinion they were her best feature. She did have a sturdy looking body. The Dollhouse lady had a thicker waist, so between the two ladies, the SW lady had more of an hour glass figure.[/QUOTE]"hour glass"? You really crack me up. ROFLMAO. Your memory is shot. You got distracted by the big sillies. Sticking 2 big sillies on was no help to my eye. I am oriented toward exceptional asses. You don't really mention the Ass. Noon does not have an "ass" to die for (not even close). Tits size is not so important to me.
My taste is rather picky and very "narrow" it seems, although skin colour doesn't matter to me. Certainly no Rubenesque girls for me.
Would be interesting to get some other opinions on Noon's figure. For me barely a 5 out of 10. Next time I am there I will ask some others what they think out of curiosity, in case I am the freak and have a strange view. It is known I hate the Baccara girl looks so that makes me weird.
Noon has skinny legs. Calves muscles are much smaller than Noo Dee (who weighs about 6 to 7 Kg. less for same height). Noon's thighs are not that wide but ass is a bit flat and shapeless rather than "peach" shaped. From waist up, Noon is big. This gives her an overall very straight body, in contrast to the "hour glass". Her waist to thigh ratio is rather poor. Thais call this body "bpum bpui" meaning not really fat but a little chubby or at least puffy. I don't believe her ass and legs have enough shape to even qualify for Rubinesque. I will check again next time in Suzi Wong. Noo Dee laughs loudly at the suggestion that Noon has a good body, and agrees more with my opinion. However she comes from the same bias as me, having a very slim tight toned body, no fat, and only A cups.
Its the tall, white skinned, Anne at SW that has a very "hourglass" figure with enhanced D cups, small waist, and broad thighs. So I refer to her as "Lara Croft". She gets a lot of business since the tits were done. They are amazing, even I admit, despite being assisted.
In Crazy House I will probably end up BFing the waitress, if she is available. She looks a bit like Jennifer Lawrence in the face with white skin and high cheekbones. Sweet girl. I can't really see what the figure is really like as she is clothed. LOL. I guess will have to try to mentally undress her and imagine it. Being an ass shape enthusiast, its difficult with a dress on. Tight fitting jeans would help much more.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1594980]Tourism is 6% of the Thai economy. A drop in the bucket. This is an export based economy.[/QUOTE]"Much of the tourist industry is dependent on sex workers and it makes up around 7 percent of the GDP -- more than rice exports," she says. "The International Labour Organisation found sex workers send home US $300 million a year to rural areas, which is more than any government development project. "
[URL]http://travel.cnn.com/bangkok/life/25-years-thailands-sex-industry-233135[/URL]
Although tourism is sharply down in 2014. Which explains the constant ISG reports of how easy it is to pick up the best looking "working girls" in BKK.
No doubt many of the average lookers are now laid off, unemployed & looking for minimum wage jobs, or having an unusually tough time pulling any customers.
With the upcoming crackdown by immigration, which has already begun at some borders & is to be enforced at airports next month, things may become much worse yet for the tourism industry, and "working girls". Many thousands of foreigners may flee the country, not be permitted to reenter for life, or see the handwriting on the wall & not even try to come to LOS. Dee day is August 12.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1595156]Its known there are shortages in the highly skilled jobs. Most countries have many foreigners in IT like Indians for example and like myself. I don't work in my home country any more.
This does not provide alternate work for bargirls quite obviously. What are the well paid alternatives available to the poorly educated girls? I would estimate that Noo Dee the No. 1 girl in Suzi Wong makes well over 100 k per month, probably 120. Her education is not high but currently studying English. This is an exception of course. The average bar girl makes far less than this. [/QUOTE]I was talking to one of the bar owners in Soi 7/1 a few months ago and his cashier makes around 100 k a month! I don't even think she is available for BFs any more. Apparently she has at least 2 farangs sending her 30 k a month each and gets an OK salary from her job.
There is definitely a shortage of highly skilled staff in Thailand, especially those who can speak English. I would also think that the high end hotels, bars and restaurants probably pay their staff reasonably well so they are unlikely to be in the P4 P scene. I've seen some real stunners in working some of the hotels. My guess would be that although Thailand has low unemployment it is probably well above 1%, and there is probably a lot of underemployment, people doing jobs to make ends meet rather than jobs they are qualified to do. With no unemployment benefits available it's probably impossible to know the actual figure.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1595156]Its known there are shortages in the highly skilled jobs. Most countries have many foreigners in IT like Indians for example and like myself. I don't work in my home country any more.
This does not provide alternate work for bargirls quite obviously. What are the well paid alternatives available to the poorly educated girls? I would estimate that Noo Dee the No. 1 girl in Suzi Wong makes well over 100 k per month, probably 120. Her education is not high but currently studying English. This is an exception of course. The average bar girl makes far less than this.
Some bar girls are only showing up sporadically when they need extra money. Nat No. 5 at Crazy House has the body that can pull a customer in a flash. However supposedly is rarely showing up to work. She is supposed to have a Tom girlfriend. May have some Farang guys supporting her too. Otherwise not sure where the money is coming from.[/QUOTE]We are not talking about bar girls per se, but while on the subject if an uneducated gal wanted to work in a restaurant she could make a living these days. 15 years ago that was not the case. Now it is. There are far more choices, that is why there are fewer and fewer gals in the biz and why most in the biz now are gals who are taking the easy way out or are just not that swift.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1595207]We are not talking about bar girls per se, but while on the subject if an uneducated gal wanted to work in a restaurant she could make a living these days. 15 years ago that was not the case. Now it is. There are far more choices, that is why there are fewer and fewer gals in the biz and why most in the biz now are gals who are taking the easy way out or are just not that swift.[/QUOTE]Okay I will ask them what about working in restaurants. Can't they get a good job there? I suspect that many restaurants are not that busy and not looking for staff. Hair dressing and beauty businesses everywhere are struggling.
I know that many outdoor food places in Chiang Mai are wanting to pay such low money that they try to get girls from Burma more so than Thais. I know a Burmese (Thai Yai) girl working in such a food place and getting very low money. She previously did factory work putting together articles for sale, and in sewing. I also know owners and workers in rubber farms. The price of rubber has dropped right away since Yingluck. One girl who was doing rubber farm work, has returned to bar work as was not making enough money.
I know a well known ex MP girl doing rubber farm work. I will ask her how the money is going. How much she can make per month. She is an intelligent girl and even speaks English quite well. I will ask why she doesn't work in a restaurant.
I know another girl used to sell pirate DVDs in Phanthip. Now sells "Khanom Krok" in the country. Really struggling to pay her daughter's education. I will ask how much she makes per day and why she does not work in a restaurant. Maybe she is not young and pretty enough any more. She is probably close to 40.
I know another girl used to work in Siam City Hotel in the Japanese restaurant. Experienced drinks waitress. She stopped for a while to get wrist operation. Now must be 47. I don't think she can get another restaurant job. No one wants her.
I really don't think it is easy as what you guys portray (imagine). Talk to the real people out there struggling and see what their realistic options are. I don't a single person out there with low education that has great prospects for work. Not one. I will also talk to the girl working the Bradman Pub. See what they earn. They have to be pretty good workers, have looks, and very strong English. Selection process is tough.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1595236]Okay I will ask them what about working in restaurants. Can't they get a good job there? I suspect that many restaurants are not that busy and not looking for staff. Hair dressing and beauty businesses everywhere are struggling.
I know that many outdoor food places in Chiang Mai are wanting to pay such low money that they try to get girls from Burma more so than Thais. I know a Burmese (Thai Yai) girl working in such a food place and getting very low money. She previously did factory work putting together articles for sale, and in sewing. I also know owners and workers in rubber farms. The price of rubber has dropped right away since Yingluck. One girl who was doing rubber farm work, has returned to bar work as was not making enough money.
I know a well known ex MP girl doing rubber farm work. I will ask her how the money is going. How much she can make per month. She is an intelligent girl and even speaks English quite well. I will ask why she doesn't work in a restaurant.
I know another girl used to sell pirate DVDs in Phanthip. Now sells "Khanom Krok" in the country. Really struggling to pay her daughter's education. I will ask how much she makes per day and why she does not work in a restaurant. Maybe she is not young and pretty enough any more. She is probably close to 40.
I know another girl used to work in Siam City Hotel in the Japanese restaurant. Experienced drinks waitress. She stopped for a while to get wrist operation. Now must be 47. I don't think she can get another restaurant job. No one wants her.
I really don't think it is easy as what you guys portray (imagine). Talk to the real people out there struggling and see what their realistic options are. I don't a single person out there with low education that has great prospects for work. Not one. I will also talk to the girl working the Bradman Pub. See what they earn. They have to be pretty good workers, have looks, and very strong English. Selection process is tough.[/QUOTE]Most of the Thais I know here are educated. Most have Uni degrees and all have finished Mo-6 (high school). It is quite simple for them to find a job that pays them enough to live.
Age discrimination is an issue here. A big one. It is difficult to get a job over 40, but with a rapidly aging population that might not be the case for much longer.
Thailand has begged for the Cambodians and Burmese laborers to come back. Why? There is not enough labor without them. Construction projects are delayed at time due to too few workers. This might change depending on how the Junta proceeds. The economy could take a hit.
And I would say the lower Sukhumvit area and the workers therein are a very poor yardstick of what is going on in the country, and not even a good measure of Bangkok. Get out into the rest of the city and restaurants are filled with Thai folks nightly. Most of the places we frequent are busier than ever. I have even had to start booking a table at my favorite Isaan place in Din Daeng. There are fewer tourists for sure, but as I said, it is only 6% of GDP.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1595261]Most of the Thais I know here are educated. Most have Uni degrees and all have finished Mo-6 (high school). It is quite simple for them to find a job that pays them enough to live.
Age discrimination is an issue here. A big one. It is difficult to get a job over 40, but with a rapidly aging population that might not be the case for much longer.
Thailand has begged for the Cambodians and Burmese laborers to come back. Why? There is not enough labor without them. Construction projects are delayed at time due to too few workers. This might change depending on how the Junta proceeds. The economy could take a hit.
And I would say the lower Sukhumvit area and the workers therein are a very poor yardstick of what is going on in the country, and not even a good measure of Bangkok. Get out into the rest of the city and restaurants are filled with Thai folks nightly. Most of the places we frequent are busier than ever. I have even had to start booking a table at my favorite Isaan place in Din Daeng. There are fewer tourists for sure, but as I said, it is only 6% of GDP.[/QUOTE]I am not going to argue the case of highly educated Thais. They cannot be compared to bargirls, MP girls etc.
I spoke about many people up country or Bangkok suburbs, but the education levels are weak. I am sure construction projects could get workers if they pay enough. I really think the issue is how much the workers need to survive okay And how much is being paid, they are poles apart. Its only the foreigners willing to accept sufficiently low money.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1595269]I am not going to argue the case of highly educated Thais. They cannot be compared to bargirls, MP girls etc.
I spoke about many people up country or Bangkok suburbs, but the education levels are weak. I am sure construction projects could get workers if they pay enough. I really think the issue is how much the workers need to survive okay And how much is being paid, they are poles apart. Its only the foreigners willing to accept sufficiently low money.[/QUOTE]Education levels are improving in this country. There are very low cost student loans available to folks. My gal has a couple of cousins from families that are quite poor but they have managed to get loans, get through school (one has just completed her Masters), and are making good money. The opportunity and jobs are there. All you have to do is want it and work.
Construction pays a minimum of 300 baht a day plus OT to Thai workers, plus most live in metal housing near the site that is very low cost. With OT they are making close to 15 k a month. Normally both the wife and the hubby work. So that is 30 k. Not bad for uneducated folks. Many save, buy land, or other businesses.
Hell, street food vendors do quite well. Start doing the math. Most pay about 5 k or less for their spot. One dude in our area who sold North food was netting an average of 4 k per day. He is now retired and back in Chiang Rai on his paid for farm.
It is amazingly easy for a Thai to start a business here. And quite cheap. Entrepreneurial Thais do very well. Too bad the same opportunity is not granted to foreigners here. If so most of us could make a killing.
[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1595073]Friend has invited me to Hua Hin. Was wondering if anyone has been down in that area and what is the availability for mongering. Or is it BYOG? Any help would be appreciated. Please PM if you have information to share. Thanks[/QUOTE]There is no need for PM, but you should be asking in the "Other Areas" thread. Hua Hin is not a prime mongering destination. I don't actually know much about Hua Hin and whether has any mongering bars. Probably would be surprising if it has nothing at all. If you have a fantastic girl you like to spend days with, then take her. Others do that.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1594296]The Thai population grew by 10 percent from 2000 to 2012, by about 6 million people. So there are not fewer girls, but about 3 million more than before. [/QUOTE]But those 3 million girls are only 13 or 14 years old now...
On entering Doll House on Tuesday, I was surprised how many girls I did not recognise. If you think you know a bar well, within 2 or 3 months, you won't. The standard has actually improved a bit.
Crazy House has several new girls after just a 2 week absence. One new girl No. 15 was aged 80, or maybe I got something backwards, according to a strong rumour. There are no ST rooms upstairs but there are ST Hotels nearby. However I prefer to be very safe. The last girl I took was 19 I hope. I normally take older than that. Be careful. A waitress pointed out a very brown new girl. She had super ass, maybe just on the slightly too big side for me, leaving insufficient gap between the upper thighs. Not properly starved for my taste and in any case did not like the smirk on her face. Got the impression she would be a very "shifty" type. So my taste varies from that of the bar staff too. I was surprised they would suggest such a brown girl though, not that the colour was a problem for me.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1595337]But those 3 million girls are only 13 or 14 years old now...[/QUOTE]Sorry, I meant between 1 and 14 yo!
Anyway these girls do not increase the P4P scene (yet). Except maybe a few in Crazy House, LOL!
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1595326]There is no need for PM, but you should be asking in the "Other Areas" thread. Hua Hin is not a prime mongering destination. I don't actually know much about Hua Hin and whether has any mongering bars. Probably would be surprising if it has nothing at all. If you have a fantastic girl you like to spend days with, then take her. Others do that.[/QUOTE]I did post in "Other Areas" after doing a few searches. The search function here is not the best. The reason I posted here is because there are more experienced mongers in this forum. I asked for PM as not to waste precious bytes and to minimize the off topic posts. We all know how sensitive some guys are to off topic posting. They are very quick to point out the obvious to us school kids. Got to watch we don't use up all those bytes. Not that discussions about economics and a plethora of other things is too on topic. But hey, what do I know. I did read an interesting article in the New York Times about the real cost of cheeseburgers to he US economy. I wonder if anyone has done any research on the Pad Thai affect on the Thai economy.
And as a seasoned monger I do have a plan be with a long time friend from Bacarra.
Thanks for the help.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1595167]"hour glass"? You really crack me up. ROFLMAO. Your memory is shot. You got distracted by the big sillies. [/QUOTE]Or perhaps we are describing two different ladies.
When it comes to visual images and sequences of events, my memory is and always has been excellent. At 63, I'm still able to develop very complex mathematical models in workbooks with a dozen worksheets, with hundreds of equations on each sheet. I have no difficulty keep track of what is where, what the various parts of the model are calculating and how they interconnect. I get paid a lot of money for very little of my time because I have this knowledge and ability. As I mentioned in a previous post, I've never been good with names. Also, as I've mentioned in a number of posts, I tend to dislike large breasts and definitely prefer women who are all natural. Pen is a good example. Notice in her photos that she has average size natural breasts that are starting to sag a bit. She's in her thirties and has had two children. I like her breasts. I probably would have liked them better ten years ago, but I also have a bit of wear on me.
The personality and appearance of the lady you described, other than the broad, plain face is nothing like the lady I was with. As I've mentioned before, the lady I was with approached me very politely after I sat through two sets and a short intervening show. She had legs like a runner. She had fairly wide pelvic bones, but her hips and ass were very toned, no saddle bags and her ass projected back, not to the sides. She was top heavy from the silicon. This combined with a trim waist from a firm core produced a distinct hour-glass shape.
I've attached two photos of Aor to illustrate my point about the baby fat on her tummy and her inverted cone shaped legs. In the photo in which Aor is sitting on my bed, you will see a small but conspicuous roll of tummy fat. The lady I was with, while she didn't have a six-pack, had no belly fat. In the photo of Aor standing with her back to the camera, you will notice she has absolutely no muscle tone in her legs. She has no discernible hamstring muscles and no development in her calf muscles. The lady I was with had well developed hamstrings and calves. The circumference of Aor's calves are greatest just below the knee and tapper from there. The calves on the girl I was with had the greatest circumference approximately mid-way between her knees and ankles. I made a point of asking her if she went to a gym or was a runner.
Syzygies, I know you are a smart, knowledgeable guy. I think it's possible we are talking about two different ladies. Perhaps though I had Noon written down on a sheet of paper, the lady I bar fined was not Noon. I did go to SW more than once, but bar fined a lady there only once. When I reached home, I had an envelope with a stack of small pieces of paper with names, phone numbers and or email addresses and in some cases the number on a girl's tag and the name of a bar. With some of the girls I sat with, I bought them a lady drink, but did not bar fine them. Some asked me to write down their name and number. I saw clear evidence that times were tough and many ladies were hurting financially. I sorted through these pieces of paper and a number of emails I sent to friends while I was in Bangkok to help me piece together some of my reports.
What am I missing. Crazy House girls are in no way better than any other establishment. Their drink prices, on the other hand are great.
I only wish that when I'm over 60 I'll be able to bring joy to the little brown girls of Issarn like a few do here.
[B]July 12, 2014[/B]
It was only in May that I had made my last trip to Bangkok and I was still hurting from the financial overspend. All of June, reading through the various threads both here and elsewhere, I had come to the conclusion that I needed to explore Pattaya as opposed to making each trip only about Bangkok. During this time, a fellow member also reached out to me and he hailed from another city in India and soon enough we got down to planning a joint trip to LOS which would stress heavily on Pattaya instead of Bangkok. After trying to coordinate we ended up matching our schedules only for 2 days, so it was to be one day in Bangkok and one day in Pattaya. I made a serious effort to save up for this trip hoping that I would not be spending as much as I did last time. Early Saturday morning (which incidentally was a public holiday in Thailand, with few alcohol based restrictions) I took off for Bangkok. Although my flight duration was relatively short (4 hours) it was quite a forgettable experience, bawling babies on the aircraft, uncomfortable seating and shitty flight timings. Yet all hope was not lost, even though I could hardly catch a snooze on the flight, I was happy that I was going back to LOS.
I reach Bangkok around 12.30 pm, breezed through immigration did the usual local SIM purchase at the airport and currency change routine at Rajdamri. Checked into Majestic Suites on soi 4 next to Nana Entertainment Plaza. The hotel has a very enthusiastic staff working the reception and they were very welcoming. Although I paid a little less than the amount I would have otherwise paid at the Mac on soi 7, the rooms at the Majestic Suite were quite tiny and industrial. The mattress on the bed was reasonably comfortable, however, the bed has bad support, it seemed that the wheels underneath made it move with the slightest of motions (non-sexual of course). Anyways, after checking in, we caught a quick bite to eat at the hotel restaurant while we mulled over recommendations for MPs to hit during the day. Several names were discussed and rejected, finally we narrowed in on Analisa massage. We took the BTS to Thong Lo and upon exiting had to walk for another 10 minutes and took a bit of searching before we could actually locate the MP amongst the several on that particular sub-soi. Analisa massage is on a sub-soi with several other massage shops the names of which I don't quite remember but they all seemed liked non-FS joints (please correct me if my understanding is not correct). Upon entering Analisa, we found only two girls available at the reception but they were both cute and I for one wasn't complaining. There was some kind of misunderstanding and the fellow monger landed up with the girl I initially chose. In any case, after seeing the menu that was presented to us, I chose the bum and prostate massage which set me back THB 1,300. Since FS was not on the menu, I wasn't fussed with taking a girl who was not my first choice. The rooms are tiny and every two rooms share an air-conditioning unit. The girl I ended up with was called Lek (or Lake) but she did have good skin. She gave me what it turns out is a sensual massage, tingling me at all the right places. The bum massage was OK, not the best I have had. With the prostate massage I did not last very long and blew a big load some of which landed in her hair (that was a first). I tipped the girl THB 100 since it was a non FS thingy and I was done within the 1 hour slot that was allotted. After the massage we moved onto a Dutch beer bar across the street where we sat guzzling down beer and deciding on the next course of action. It seems that this particular bar was not following the alcohol prohibition that was in force, happily we entered.
Tulip was on my list (yes, a tourist that ways) and it took a meal and a couple of beers for me to prepare myself for an oily offering up PSE. I really liked Tulip's location, and I was surprised that I had never noticed it earlier, it is right under the BTS. Tulip's entrance area did look dated with several mature to elderly ladies lounging about. Since my fellow monger had done his research on the oilies I let him take the lead on this one. He went up to the counter and rattled of the names of 3-4 girls, one had left and 3 were busy with customers. Clearly, if you are looking for a star, book in advance. Disappointed, I picked up a card from the entrance and left (pic attached and contains contact information for those who have been looking), promising to return someday.
Next stop Mango massage, since we were tired of moving on from one MP to another, my fellow monger just went up to the reception where around 10-12 girls were sitting and directly asked the receptionist to point out the girls who do anal (nice touch, cuts the bullshit right out). 5 girls raised their hands, the fellow monger snapped up the prettiest, I took Ana (her pic is also available on Mango's website I upload a picture I took on my phone). After walking up a flight of stairs into a room which seemed to have been used for many romps, we started chatting. Her understanding of English was much better than a lot of Thai girls I had met so far. We entered the shower where she cleaned me up diligently and washed herself up. Most attractive feature were her tits, upon pressing them they seemed to be silicone. My first experience with fake breasts. Interesting they were, not sure if I enjoy them but they are great for a tit fuck. So out of the shower and she goes on for BBBJ without question of putting on a condom. Great start with a great BJ. Soon when her action was getting a little too stressful for me I got her up and turned her around and went for her pussy. The pussy didn't seem to have much joy and I quickly went into the ass. Banged both the pussy and ass alternatively for a while. All this while she was facing the wall and a side profile was visible in the mirror next to the bed. Next I turned her to face the mirror and I planted my feet on the ground and repeated the same routine again. During this time, I occasionally also let her blow me. So alternating between all three holes with no requirement to change condoms was amazing. She got onto cowgirl next which we did until she tired. Moved to missionary where I pounded her ass again. By this time I was tired, but not able to cum. So got another BJ and it was her mission to get me to cum, I could see the determination and no desperate pleas to finish quick. I was impressed. After missionary, I took off the condom, brought her head over my dick. She impaled the instrument with her tongue and then I took my dick between her tits for a titty fuck. At this point I was unable to control anymore, I came all over those gorgeously crafted breasts, with a shot hitting her chin. Best oily experience ever, right up there with my experience at Bamboo last time around.
After the session, there was no rush to dress up and leave. After a shower, I lay around smoking on the bed and she told me about herself. I wish I had another day in BKK, would have liked to come back for round 2 with this one. Best money I have paid for an hour's joy. I paid THB 1,900 at the counter and tipped her THB 300, this session had left me ravenously hungry (appetite builder). It was already evening and time to hit the Go-Gos (hoping that they were open). Reached SC by 10.30 pm, every shop was closed and boarded up. I dropped a quick post to update the thread about the closure. Moved onto NEP, where there were several SWs around but most looked like LBs. Most of the Go-Gos were closed as well, only 2-3 places open, Suckers (earlier known as Lollipop), Angelswitch and DC-10.
Suckers had one or two decent lookers around, the girls soon came over we had a drink or two. They had a small placard (laminated print just like at Bacarra) setting out the bar fine and rates. Bar fine was around THB 700, ST 2000 and LT 4,000. At this time I spotted another tall cutie who looked quite geared for East Asian punters. Since she wasn't looking to attract our attention, we left the place and went to Angelswitch (first floor). These guys really know how to put on a show when they do not have fat Go-Go girls parading on the stage. The enthusiastic dancers who come are pretty. Yet again geared to the East Asians. After having a couple of drinks (we had started the night with soft beverages post 12 am alcohol was flowing), we moved onto to Climax.
It was around 2 am and the place was packed with girls and punters. Several CIS girls as well, wonder how many were available for pick up. Several cute Thai FLs dancing about, most had potential punters making conversation. I cased the joint for a couple of hours and had a blast listening to the music. Connected back with the waitress I had befriended last time and I told her this time that I would rather take her ST / LT. She didn't get offended by it, at least I hope she wasn't. During my search for a FL at Climax, I noticed (since the music is so terribly loud, mime negotiations were common) that several of the good looking FL's were quoting 3 K for ST and 5 K for LT. An outrageous price IMO. Once Climax started to close up around 4 am, I left and slinked back towards my hotel. I had thought being off season the FL market would be a buyer's market, may be I didn't try harder.
Picked up a SW in front of my hotel and prayed that it was a WG. Took her to the room, happy to feel in the lift that there was a pussy in between those legs. All this chic said on the road was 1 K for sucking, fking and massage. OK, deal done. Took her to the room, she immediately positioned herself on the floor and engorged my dick in her mouth. After a hasty BJ, turned her over and fucked both the pussy and ass. Tried a couple of other positions, at this point I was so tired that all I could think off was sleep. After another 10 minutes or so, I told her to get me off with a BJ. She just gave me a HJ with tongue on tip of dick. After CIM, I paid 1 K and asked that she leave. Since I had to set off to Pattaya by afternoon the same day (hardly a few hours of sleep).
Next instalment of the report will be put up in the Pattaya Reports section.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1595391]
I've attached two photos of Aor ....
[/QUOTE]Wow. She's nice. Apologies if I'm not paying attention, but where did you find her and how much?
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1595167]"hour glass"? You really crack me up. ROFLMAO. Your memory is shot. You got distracted by the big sillies. Sticking 2 big sillies on was no help to my eye. I am oriented toward exceptional asses. You don't really mention the Ass. Noon does not have an "ass" to die for (not even close). Tits size is not so important to me.[/QUOTE]Paul, you have been schooled. Pay attention now so you don't make any mistakes again. You must not have read the Syz Guide Book to working girls. How could you think differently?
[QUOTE=Sammyt;1595429]Wow. She's nice. Apologies if I'm not paying attention, but where did you find her and how much?[/QUOTE]I saw her last December. Her name is Aor, she was #24 at Annie's and still appears on the website. What is hard to tell from the photos is she is 170 cm in her bare feet. I posted a number of other photos I took of her. If you do a search on my reports in late December to early January, you can find some reports I wrote about her. Or perhaps you shouldn't do that, unless you're prepared to be very disappointed. As hot as she looks she is even wilder; or I should say was; but then she probably still is; but she's disappeared. There are lot's of rumors: she contracted HIV; she made enough money and retired; she's being supported by some rich guy; she's in Dubai making a fortune. Someone on ISG may know the real story but isn't telling it.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1595491]I saw her last December. Her name is Aor, she was #24 at Annie's and still appears on the website. What is hard to tell from the photos is she is 170 cm in her bare feet. I posted a number of other photos I took of her. If you do a search on my reports in late December to early January, you can find some reports I wrote about her. Or perhaps you shouldn't do that, unless you're prepared to be very disappointed. As hot as she looks she is even wilder; or I should say was; but then she probably still is; but she's disappeared. There are lot's of rumors: she contracted HIV; she made enough money and retired; she being supported by some rich guy; she's in Dubai making a fortune. Some one on ISG may know the real story but isn't telling it.[/QUOTE]She was really a gem Paul. Some of the best sex I've had and a nice person to boot.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1595373]Sorry, I meant between 1 and 14 yo!
Anyway these girls do not increase the P4P scene (yet). Except maybe a few in Crazy House, LOL![/QUOTE]Of course that's true. I didn't said they did. The OP said the birth rate was declining & there are fewer girls. I pointed out that was wrong & why.
The number of girls does not equate to or tell you how many are in P4P. You could have 100 million more girls in one year than another year in a country & more girls in P4P when the population of girls was 100 million lower.
Secondly, come to Thailand in 4 or 5 years & you might find some of them for a legal fuck.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1595167]"hour glass"? You really crack me up.[/QUOTE]Syzygies, I used the term hour-glass for a reason; and the reason was based on some specific knowledge I have.
The women's fashion industry uses a nomenclature based on a fruit salad and a pre-mechanical watch invention for telling time to divide women's silhouettes into four categories.
In 2004 a consortium of companies, organizations and a number of universities in the USA conducted a survey called SizeUSA. Ten thousand adults in thirteen cities had their body shape measured. In 2005 Alva Products, a manufacturer of designer mannequins commissioned a study by North Carolina State University to develop a system to classify the shapes of women's body. The researchers analyzed the data collected from 6,000 women in the SizeUSA study. They found women's bodies could be classified using a four shape system as followings.
Banana: The waist measurement is less than 9 inches smaller than the hips or bust measurement. Body fat is distributed predominantly in the abdomen, buttocks, chest, and face. The overall fat distribution creates a straight shape.
Apple: Women with this shape have broader shoulders compared to their narrower hips. They tend to have slim legs, while the abdomen and chest look larger compared to the rest of the body. Fat is mainly distributed in the abdomen, chest, and face.
Pear: The hip measurement is greater than the bust measurement. The distribution of fat varies, with fat tending to deposit first in the buttocks, hips, and thighs. As body fat percentage increases, an increasing proportion of body fat is distributed around the waist and upper abdomen. The women of this body type tend to have relatively larger rears and thighs, and smaller bosoms.
Hourglass: The hip and bust are almost of equal size with a narrow waist. Body fat distribution tends to be around both the upper body and lower body. This body type enlarges the arms, chest, hips, and rear before other parts, such as the waist and upper abdomen.
The researchers found that 46% of the women in the data base had the banana shape, just over 20% were pear shaped, slightly fewer than 14% apple shaped, and only 8% were hourglass shaped. The hourglass is an aesthetic ideal. Some women go to great and expensive lengths to augment their bodies through cosmetic surgery in a quest to attain this ideal. This is especially common in the P4P industry.
As for Noon or Loon or Goon or whatever the name of the lady I was with goes, she, as is the case with many of the women in Bangkok's gogos, has an hourglass figure using this classification system. She is probably naturally a pear, with a genetic predisposition to have well-developed leg muscles, but the augmented breasts give her an hourglass shape.
Frankly, I could care less who the lady I bar fined was. I write reports because I enjoy writing them; and entertainment value and information are equally important to me. If some guys get some information from my reports they find useful, great! If other guys just enjoy reading them, great! If some guys don't like what I have to say, sorry I don't mean to offend anyone. In hindsight, I should have just written that I wasn't sure of her name. I tried to convey that in my initial report. Regardless, I had fun with her; and I enjoyed my visits to Suzy Wong, which I can thank you for. I know it is one of your favorite places, so I figured it must be worthwhile visiting. And it was.
I took most of the verbiage in this report from a business plan I wrote years ago. It was a fun and profitable venture.
[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1595496]She was really a gem Paul. Some of the best sex I've had and a nice person to boot.[/QUOTE]She was unusual in many ways. Too bad too many assholes thought a pretty young lady who just loved wild uninhibited sex gave them a license to abuse her. After a few overnight sessions she got to know me well enough to feel comfortable describing what some of her days were like. Wherever she is and whatever she is doing I wish her the best.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1595506]Too bad too many assholes thought a pretty young lady who just loved wild uninhibited sex gave them a license to abuse her. After a few overnight sessions she got to know me well enough to feel comfortable describing what some of her days were like. Wherever she is and whatever she is doing I wish her the best.[/QUOTE]This is one of the reasons I am very reluctant to post names and uncensored images of my girls. These days I feel the need to protect my girls and their identities on an open site forum like this one. I did not always feel this way, but over time I realized these girls do need to be shielded. There are just too many assholes out there. I feel it is more than enough to post about favorite venues and the opportunities available within along with personal experiences and adventures. Then let each informed individual punter find their own girls and make their own unique adventure happen their way.
I like your posts Paul and I respect you, but I am not interested in doing your girls per se. If I choose to go to Bamboo, Dr. BJ's or some other place you may have reported on, I will size up the girls I meet there at the moment of introduction and see who I like and who is sending me a good vibe. I may pick a different girl than you or not. Either way, I am not interested in remembering specifically who you had a good time with because it might affect my selection and I want to make my own decision clean without any outside influence. It is personal between me and the girl. My point is that my mileage will certainly vary from yours even if we experience the same girl for a variety of reasons and that is good and as it should be. Now some guys can't do it on their own and want to shag a girl they have read about on the internet, others might even have a disgusting desire to pile drive some girl they heard enjoyed good sex until she can't walk for a week. I just don't want to put a target on a girl I like and send a bunch of punters I can't vouch for right to her door.
I also do not want to start a range war with fellow board members that I otherwise respect, but I cringe, for example, every time S publicly mentions ND. She is super hot and a very sweet girl. At least that is the vibe she gave to me. She may give a different vibe to others. I had no idea at the time I met her that she was a friend of S. That was the last thing I needed to know. It was not relevant. She is very popular and for good reason, so she does not need the publicity! It is not in her best interest and the publicity is not in the BM's best interest either. The same thing applies to a girl like #24 who now is no longer available. I hope #24 is happy and living the good life.
By the way, I do share personal info privately with certain BM's that I respect and that have unconsciously shown me through their many contributions to this forum over the years that we are of like mind regarding the girls and they are relatively civilized and know how to treat a girl right. 555. You guys know who you are. And I include you in this group Paul. I think you know this. But I strongly feel the girls need to be shielded a little by using initials instead of names and by blurring and camouflaging their eyes to hide their true identify. Think about it.
Can you guys give some of the horrors prostitutes go through. As a good person I just can't conceive guys mis-treating the girls. Even though I'm sure it happens. Hence a main reason if a girl can get away with it she won't suck farang cock.
I just can't get girls to tell me about the darkside of their jobs- not that having sex with strangers is bad enough.
Hi lads,
Just wanted to confirm that there is indeed a new location for Lollipop (well, new for me, anyway). Go way down Sukhumvit Soi 11, turn left before the 711 at the end, then a quick right and a left into the sub Soi that has Banana Club on the corner. I went at about 4 pm and the lineup was pretty unappealing. Took Ae, who had an okay fake rack and somewhat passable skills. I'll repeat, simply because I'm in that area frequently, but the location will work against the place.
Natty,
You are dead right that ND does not need any publicity. She states that she is not really accepting new customers that she doesn't know, unless very convinced they are nice guys. She is pretty much fully booked by her old customers.
[QUOTE=Custard;1595547]Can you guys give some of the horrors prostitutes go through. As a good person I just can't conceive guys mis-treating the girls. Even though I'm sure it happens. Hence a main reason if a girl can get away with it she won't suck farang cock.
I just can't get girls to tell me about the darkside of their jobs- not that having sex with strangers is bad enough.[/QUOTE]Long ago I used to visit Cat at Mango. Very cute girl. She told me that her job was not enjoyable in general as over 50% of her customers were psycho cases. Maybe they wanted to fuck too hard or have her do degrading things, she did not really go into the details. She seemed to be able to enjoy sex with me as I only did very normal things and never even asked for her asshole. I was supposedly in the low percentage of nice guys.
Wasn't that long till Cat disappeared. She could not take working at Mango any more. Many girls doing PSE at these places are very keen to leave as soon as possible.
Bargirls have it a bit easier as they can refuse customers and I have been refused many times too. However in some bars girls are getting severely groped by the customers in public which can be highly embarrassing for them.
Some girls are lucky and have mainly good customers repeating.
Its really hard for us to imagine how bad a customer can be, though some guys write fairly sick stuff on the forum in my opinion. Many guys are over influenced by watching sicko things in porn movies, and want to copy. Many guys have no respect or empathy for the girls.
I don't try to get girls to do things they don't like doing. I hardly ever take anal except occasionally when a girl specifically offered it which doesn't happen much.
Some girls are ok with getting a bit of publicity to increase their business.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1595544]This is one of the reasons I am very reluctant to post names and uncensored images of my girls.[/QUOTE]Natty, this is, to use an expression from my youth, a heavy post man.
Here are my initial thoughts.
You make an excellent point about the photos. Generally, I don't post photos to titillate. I post them to illustrate. You'll notice with the exception of Pen, who gave me explicit permission, I have not and will not post any nude photos of the girls I was with on this trip. Kate's photos on the Bamboo website are far more explicit than mine. My photos allow guys to see how closely she resembles her website photos. Last December I also got Aor's permission to post her photos on ISG. In fact she wanted me to post them. "Good for business," she said. Some of these girls are familiar with ISG and want the exposure.
I think the detailed descriptions of my sex with Aor, and Mojie on this trip, are more likely to produce the reaction you are worried about. Maybe I should have toned down those reports. So if I had written Aor is a-level, really gets into toys and loves a really long and vigorous fuck would that really convey less information? Should I just have written that I enjoyed having sex with her and would like to see her again? I could have written the same thing about Fiona in December, but Fiona and Aor were two totally different sexual and interpersonal experiences. Isn't it good to explain what each lady is like?
So what should we put in a report? I went to Spanky's. Bar fined a girl. Fucked her. She was great. Here is a picture with her face blurred. I won't tell you her name and number unless you are or can fool me into thinking you are a nice guy.
I knew a really nice guy years ago. One of the nicest guys I've ever met. The last time I saw him was from the witness stand in a Federal Courthouse where I helped get him sentenced to a 100-plus-year term. He was a small time Bernie Madoff who fleeced about US $25 million out of a bunch of people. I was not one of them. I was seeking money for a project from the "fund" he managed. I did have very detailed notes from all my conversations with him, which the FBI enjoyed reading. I've gotten to know a couple of forum members in person, and now know them well enough to be confident they are good guys. I think you're a good guy. We've never met in person or done any mongering together. You could be a sadist sexual predator. How am I to know?
I think some ladies provide consistently good service. Others do not. Some are good for a GFE. Others for a PSE. Aren't these good things to know? Some guys have a poor experience with a great lady because they treat her poorly. Some ladies give certain guys better service because the ladies know that certain guys genuinely like them and succeed in making the experience fun for both parties. Sometimes I can tell from the tone of the report which category some guys fall into. I find that good to know.
I am about to write a couple more posts of women whose names I either don't remember or was never able to pronounce in the first place. I also have a couple of posts about escorts that will be descriptive but sexually very tame. The last report I was going to write could be another matter. It could be the grand finale with lot's of fireworks and blaring horns. Or I could write an R-rated version of the events. Perhaps I will.
I think I have more questions than answers. I have to think about this. I'm interested in reading other guys thoughts.
Natty, thanks for a very thoughtful post.
[QUOTE=Custard;1595547]Can you guys give some of the horrors prostitutes go through. As a good person I just can't conceive guys mis-treating the girls. Even though I'm sure it happens. Hence a main reason if a girl can get away with it she won't suck farang cock.
I just can't get girls to tell me about the darkside of their jobs- not that having sex with strangers is bad enough.[/QUOTE]It's pretty simple. Some guys are emotionally disturbed and like to hurt women, physically, or psychologically, or both. These men often prey on prostitutes because they are more vulnerable. There are lot's of things these men can do to hurt the women. If you like to read about that stuff, there is plenty of sado-masochistic literature around.
Does it really surprise you they are reluctant to tell you about their worst experiences?
If you like to listen to a woman tell you about how she's been abused, there are chatlines where you can pay woman to tell you these kinds of stories.
If your question is sincere, I apologize if I have offended you.
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I think I have more questions than answers. I have to think about this. I'm interested in reading other guys thoughts.
Natty, thanks for a very thoughtful post.[/QUOTE]What is the point of using code in a forum like this? If you want to protect privacy, don't post. Without names and establishments it becomes Penthouse Letters.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1595544]The same thing applies to a girl like #24 who now is no longer available. I hope #24 is happy and living the good life.[/QUOTE]Rightly or wrongly, No. 24 did not mind a bit of good publicity. However there was a psycho guy who came on the board who was trying to get her all to himself and she did not like this guy. Girls want to be popular and have many customers. The problem can be avoiding the bad ones. Its tougher for MP girls to avoid customers.
First time I took ND, she performed badly. No chemistry going. Months later, she decided she liked me. Her attitude had changed dramatically. She admitted she had been unduly influenced by bar gossip about me. Sometimes girls in the bar like to go with a customer, but tell tales of how fearsome the customer is, to put the other girls off. Particularly applicable for a customer like me known to take several different girls. The girls try to get a bigger share.
Some girls can be a starfish for one customer and excellent for another, depending on the chemistry and the girl's assessment is customer nice or not. Knot at SW performs great for me, and always keen to go, but others have said she was a write-off and no fun. A scared girl does not perform well, usually.
[QUOTE=Pita123;1595596]What is the point of using code in a forum like this? If you want to protect privacy, don't post. Without names and establishments it becomes Penthouse Letters.[/QUOTE]I would think if someone is going to treat a woman bad, they don't need to be directed to her, that is to say. It doesn't mean they found the person from this forum. It is unfortunate that any one would abuse the women, but there are a lot of crazies out there. My goal is to use the forum to go to the fun places and select someone I feel good about and want to spend some time with.
[QUOTE=Custard;1595396]What am I missing. Crazy House girls are in no way better than any other establishment. Their drink prices, on the other hand are great.[/QUOTE]Really? I thought the girls there were of a much higher quality than elsewhere when I was there a few weeks ago. The price of their drinks (150 baht) was much higher than elsewhere. I usually drink in Afterskool as they seem to have the cheapest beer in Soi Cowboy, excluding the early happy hours which I usually miss.
[QUOTE=Pita123;1595596]What is the point of using code in a forum like this? If you want to protect privacy, don't post. Without names and establishments it becomes Penthouse Letters.[/QUOTE]I hear ya.
But what about explicit descriptions of the details. When I have a particularly great time with a lady I write a report to titillate the reader and because I have fun writing the report. In addition to being sexy, I want the report to be true and funny at the same time. I enjoy writing about the sex, and I enjoy writing about the truth that is stranger than fiction stuff like the night I won't soon forget that I had with Bo and Cheer. But perhaps I'm just satisfying some voyeuristic need.
I think Natty may be suggesting I should think about whether I should go into such explicit detail. I wrote at least one rather racy report about Aor. One night she told me about what a rough day she had. Rough as in literally rough. I understand after the first of the year Annie's was inundated with requests for her. Then she disappeared. Did my post draw the sickos out of the cesspools they live in and motivate them to descend on Aor? Fed up with too much abuse did she leave the business? I think of myself as one inconsequential monger who has no significant impact on Bangkok's P4P industry. But I'd be less than truthful if I didn't admit that the thought did cross my mind that my report may have had something to do with her disappearing.
As I writing one of my more detailed and graphic reports I think about the reports Dr. BJ used to write about his experiences with particular ladies. I thought they were among the most entertaining, well-written post I have read on ISG. Personally, I don't think those reports we just designed to promote specific ladies. I think he was trying to be informative. He had good experiences with certain ladies and wanted to pass the word along. I think he enjoys writing and enjoys using the written word to entertain.
That's what I'm trying to do. My question is, where should I draw the line?
[QUOTE=Kerrstar;1595604]Really? I thought the girls there were of a much higher quality than elsewhere when I was there a few weeks ago. The price of their drinks (150 baht) was much higher than elsewhere. I usually drink in Afterskool as they seem to have the cheapest beer in Soi Cowboy, excluding the early happy hours which I usually miss.[/QUOTE]To my taste, Crazy House has a big set of quite pretty girls with very good slim bodies (not all of them). The number of fake noses is low. The sillies are low. Its mostly good natural Thai looks. The drink prices are O.K. for me. A Coke Lite or Soda lasts me a while. I like to watch naked girls on occasions. Barfining these girls is risky. Have not found an exceptional one on the bed, as yet. Some were good enough. The best one to date has gone missing. Suzi Wong is better hunting ground for fun girls on the bed, IMHO. I have collected several good fun girls there.
[QUOTE=Pita123;1595596]What is the point of using code in a forum like this? If you want to protect privacy, don't post. Without names and establishments it becomes Penthouse Letters.[/QUOTE]Some people like to read vague stories, like Penthouse letters or the Kumbu stories for entertainment. I am boring type not interested in entertainment, usually. I did find Nic Frenchy one of most entertaining writers, as he had a subtle humour, not resorting to basic sarcasm/irony. However I am agreeing that without some useful data in posts, at least recommending some place where hot girls can be found, the posts will be of questionable value. Also where to go to find certain types of experiences. Okay Some of us like to argue the state of things too.
Most of us got some valuable tips in the forum at some time, and may try to return the favour for others.
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As for Noon or Loon or Goon or whatever the name of the lady I was with goes, she, as is the case with many of the women in Bangkok's gogos, has an hourglass figure using this classification system. She is probably naturally a pear, with a genetic predisposition to have well-developed leg muscles, but the augmented breasts give her an hourglass shape.
[/QUOTE]My impression was an Apple (top heavy), although the picture is a little exaggerated. I tend to go for slim side of hourglass to slim side of pear shaped. Apple and Banana is quickly ruled out.
I am very interested in measurement data LOL. The two key measures for me are waist to thigh ratio, which should range between 0. 6 to 0. 7 (ideal) for an hourglass shape. Anything less than 0. 6 starts to look crazy, and over 0. 8 is heading into the Banana or Apple range.
The 2nd measure is the gap between the upper thighs in cm. When girls stands straight normally. This gap helps make the ass look more sexy, as does an even slope, increase in width, from the waist to the thigh. As soon as a girl has no gap and upper thighs bang together, I consider she has fat thighs (upper legs). Very skinny girls tend to have very large gap which can be too much. 2 to 3 cm. Is good for me.
When a girl has fat hips, the curve line from waist to thigh gets very warped in shape. Sometimes the shape can be different due to very wide hip bones (this usually does not appeal to my eye). I like girls to have medium big rounded Glutes but without flab, and with very nice gap underneath to accentuate the check curves.
For tits I like beautifully shaped tits and size does not matter much, except do not like very narrow breasts (prefer pancakes). For face I like big eyes, big lips, small nose with upturned tip, narrow face with maybe even slightly pointy chin.
The most wow value hourglass in SW is Anne without a doubt (excluding any recent newbies), who is lucky to be a bit tall as well. "Em" is pretty good for body. Noi used to be super in waist to ass, but gone downhill after baby. I take exclusively girls with great asses, good gap, and good waist to thigh ratio. Should have pretty face (not too broad) as well. If the ass and face don't pass, then the girl has no chance. Maybe I could relax the ass requirement if I like the face enough. Praow in DollH has great face and great tits, great waist. Ass slightly puffy/saggy can be forgiven. Gap could be better.
No girl has everything perfect. Even the 10 point body in Crazy House, I had down rate the face to only an 8 to 9. LOL.
P.S. Goon is an unusual name but there is one at Dr. BJ.
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P.S. I doubt a girl of Mojies quality would accept facial cum. And then slurping it down. She doesn't need too. Hot girl just don't go for it- at least that's been my experience with agogo girls.
I have to believe thses 60+ year old buzzard reports are just what they think happened-not what actually happened.
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;1595629]My impression was an Apple (top heavy)
. I tend to go for slim side of hourglass to slim side of pear shaped. Apple and Banana is quickly ruled out.
I am very interested in measurement data LOL. The two key measures for me are waist to thigh ratio, which should range between 0. 6 to 0. 7 (ideal) for an hourglass shape. Anything less than 0. 6 starts to look crazy, and over 0. 8 is heading into the Banana or Apple range.
The 2nd measure is the gap between the upper thighs in cm. When girls stands straight normally. This gap helps make the ass look more sexy, as does an even slope, increase in width, from the waist to the thigh. As soon as a girl has no gap and upper thighs bang together, I consider she has fat thighs (upper legs). Very skinny girls tend to have very large gap which can be too much. 2 to 3 cm. Is good for me.
When a girl has fat hips, the curve line from waist to thigh gets very warped in shape. Sometimes the shape can be different due to very wide hip bones (this usually does not appeal to my eye). I like girls to have medium big rounded Glutes but without flab, and with very nice gap underneath to accentuate the check curves.
For tits I like beautifully shaped tits and size does not matter much, except do not like very narrow breasts (prefer pancakes). For face I like big eyes, big lips, small nose with upturned tip, narrow face with maybe even slightly pointy chin.
No girl has everything perfect. Even the 10 point body in Crazy House, I had down rate the face to only an 8 to 9. LOL.
P.S. Goon is an unusual name but there is one at Dr. BJ.[/QUOTE]Syzygies, you do have good taste in women. Like you I really get turned on by a lady with a nice gap between her legs at the very upper inside her thighs, especially when she's viewed from the back.
As I've gotten older I've become less picky. This makes it easier to find a suitable fuck-buddy. I great face with an average body or vice versa is okay. Medium size, natural and shapely breasts are my ideal. Pancake breasts are also nice. I like woman with athletic looking legs and gluts. Over-sized saggy breasts, rolls of fat, cellulite and scars are a turn off for me. Sometimes I will have an instant reaction to a lady that is not particularly special. Kate is an example. I liked her tall, skinny body; I thought her face was kinda cute. She has a sweet smile, but she's nothing special looks wise. Still, I had a tremendous urge to fuck her as soon as I saw her. I will respond to other rather average looking women this way. More than a decade ago now, a biologist buddy claimed it is probably a reaction to a specific woman's pheromones. He claimed the then current theory was it tended to be a mutual reaction and it was our bodies signalling each other that we have complimentary autoimmune systems and will produce healthy babies. I'm sure much more is known about pheromones and interpersonal attraction by now.
The four category classification system is an obvious oversimplification. There are so many, facets to the human body that can take so many shapes. How can you neatly fit every woman into one of the four categories? And as my very short summary touched on, woman with different basic shapes add body fat to different part of the body. It is also known that woman with certain body shapes are more prone to certain diseases; where they add fat being an important predictor.
Thanks for the post. Understanding a guys tastes makes it easier to evaluate his reports on the ladies.
[QUOTE=Custard;1595721]To be blunt. Those who identify prostitutes by name, number and where they work with attached photo-nude or non-nude is low class person.
If they are good they don't need help in getting customers-so stop thinking you are helping them.
Only way in which it would be acceptable if man put his ugly face in too. Furthermore informing the forum that girl particaipates in unprotected sex is horrible.
P.S. I doubt a girl of Mojies quality would accept facial cum. And then slurping it down. She doesn't need too. Hot girl just don't go for it- at least that's been my experience with agogo girls.
I have to believe thses 60+ year old buzzard reports are just what they think happened-not what actually happened.[/QUOTE]Thank you for sharing your opinions. I share your attitude about unprotected sex. Beyond that it appears you have very little sexual experience with a small number of women.
As Syzygies mentioned in a recent post, to the contrary, some of these women want photos and their escapades in the forum. They know about ISG and realize it is a good way to attract more customers. Why do you think the MP and escort websites put sexy photos and descriptions of each ladies' services in their websites?
Everything I put in my posts happens. My time with Mojie was not the wildest sexual experience I've had in the past few years, nor was it my wildest experience on this trip. That will be in my last post. My partner in crime, who is also a 60+ year old buzzard may wish to chime in after my post. He told me he would let me write the initial post. Some of us old buzzards are fit enough (I can run circles around most guys half my age), smart enough, successful enough and have enough self-confidence that many young women are attracted to us. In the case of the pros having, the means to pay them well is no doubt another factor. ;)
I may take something that is not funny at the time, such as my prostate gland infection, and try to turn it into something funny, but everything I mentioned in that, and all my posts, happened. I've had several real girl friends who enjoyed having men cum in their mouths. I've been with groups of ladies, all nonpros and all married, as they discussed how much they enjoyed giving blow jobs to their husbands. Many women don't find the taste of cum the least bit unpleasant and enjoy the feeling of men's penises in their mouths as the men build to the point of an orgasm and then spray warm cum into their mouths. They also like the feeling of warm cum on their faces. Many woman watch porn flicks to see how the pros do it and then try to copy them. It was obvious that was what Mojie was doing, as I tried to convey in my post. I had a partner for years with whom I used to watch porn as a prelude to sex. This is back in the very early 80's. One day she rented some anal videos. At one point while we were fucking she asked me to carefully put my cock in her ass. It hurt so we stopped. Later we tried it successfully. She discovered she really enjoyed anal. I've been around MP girls as they discussed a-level. Some of the ladies didn't do it and some did. Among those who did, some didn't mind it but didn't particularly enjoy it. Others said they really liked it and sometimes preferred it to vaginal sex. One of the ladies said. "It depends on how you're wired. " They all agreed.
As I got older and had more experience with more woman I was surprised to discover that many are far more sexually adventurous than I ever imaged. Over the years I've heard more women complain about their sexually boring husbands and boyfriends than complain they are too adventurous.
Of course there are woman with low libido and asexual woman. I'm sure they do not share these attitudes and behaviors.
Thank you enforcing the forums guidelines; however, as the target of Custard's attack I would like to mention I feel he is entitled to his opinions and is not going to change my forum posts. He has so much to learn. This is one way to do it. Still, I understand the reasoning behind the forum's policy.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1595792]Syzygies, you do have good taste in women. Like you I really get turned on by a lady with a nice gap between her legs at the very upper inside her thighs, especially when she's viewed from the back.
As I've gotten older I've become less picky. This makes it easier to find a suitable fuck-buddy.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately I am the reverse. I have got more picky over time. When I came to Thailand at age 35, almost 50% of the girls were gorgeous. LOL I really cringe now looking back at some pics. Of bargirls I took for the night back then. E. g. How could I have taken a girl with such a broad nose, even if was just 400 Baht?
I was probably just looking for a girl who would be fun and a far better fuck than my ex-wife. LOL.
Others claim that the standard of bar girls has gone down a lot. Looking at some Crazy House girls, I seriously doubt that it has gone down much although many great looking girls are now doing Coyote in Cowboy instead of being plain gogo girls. I think the truth is that most guys got more picky as they got older.
Sometimes I wish I could just consider a girl's character and willingness to have fun, rather than having so many looks requirements. Of course if can get both, its jackpot time. Unfortunately I admit the truth for myself. A fabulous looking girl with just a moderate performance is turning me on more than a mediocre looking girl with a super performance.
Some of the very famous mediocre looking PSE girls are just not exciting me. The problem is mine. I have to kick myself for not getting the phone number of the 10 pointer girl at Crazy House. I think of her a lot, even though bed performance was just above average. The feel of the pussy was perfection though. To me, she is still a dream girl. Its my brain sickness.
My memory of my first ever soapy girl in Thailand 31 years ago, was that she was slim, expert real masseuse, very pretty and naked, and we could not communicate as she had no English whatsoever. I have no idea what sex cost. Maybe 100 to 150 Baht. I was hesitant to fuck girls as scared of catching VD, and had no condoms as arrived accidentally unprepared (probably soapy girls didn't use condoms 30 years ago. I am not sure). Maybe if I had a pic, I would realise she was not that stunning by my taste of today. The Soapy place was in a Soi of Sukhumvit, set back from the road, close to the Tabaco monopoly, but was not Annies (nor Darling). It had a tiered fishbowl. In the modern day it seems impossible to find out what this place was even called. May have been in Soi 2 or maybe not. No history exists on the Internet. I probably need to chat with the Matriarch "Annie" (Aey's mother I guess) herself, and ask her what this Soapy place would have been called.
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P.S. I doubt a girl of Mojies quality would accept facial cum. And then slurping it down. She doesn't need too. Hot girl just don't go for it- at least that's been my experience with agogo girls.
I have to believe thses 60+ year old buzzard reports are just what they think happened-not what actually happened.
[/QUOTE]You are dead wrong. What a Thai girl is willing to do varies tremendously. It so happens I am not interesting in degrading porn movie activities, but there are definitely girls doing pornstar for a living, and there are plenty of customers for it. I accept that. Its just not my thing.
I wish I had the imagination to make up exciting stories. However we usually find its far easier to stick to things that really happened (at least from our own view point). Truth is sometimes funnier than fiction.
Obviously points of view differ greatly. One guys fabulous porn star girl is a totally uninteresting girl for me.
Sure there are writers of total shit and psychedelic dreams. However these can be caught out easily quite often, with parts that are just factually obviously wrong, or containing no factual information whatsoever.
The purpose of the forum is share tips for meeting great girls for sex in great places. Without any factual data concerning how to find the particular girls or places, the writings become useless. That is why girl names, appearance gets mentioned. Its also not useful to say some girl is great unless there is enough detail to understand the way in which she is great, to some guy, so that others may recognise that they have a totally different taste, emphasis, and requirements. Advice on girls is supposed to help find particular types of girls that are known to be very capable in some specialty. I am wary about posting pics of girls unless identity is hidden, or they are fine with it, or their faces are already on web sites. I would ask myself "is she going to be badly upset by this pic".
I usually don't specify girls' badge numbers, for several reasons. I don't want to spoon feed the lazy readers too much, and I don't remember most numbers anyway.
You just can't expect to put all people in the same box. Variation is massive.
The forum is not really suited for guys who want to be "high class" mysterious. Its more intended to practical information. However I always try to push for readers to treat the girls well and with some respect, hoping that girls will provide a great pleasure service to us.
In Thailand, 60 year olds are not prohibited from having just as much fun or more than young hansom guys. Just pay the money, and don't waste valuable time trying to get it for free. Life is too short. I might be oldish now, but my sex skills are far better than when I was 20 through to 35. Not sure what you have against 60 year olds. They don't have to be too decrepid. Can even be fit in some cases. 60 year olds may have more money than the tight young guys. Also older guys are less "up themselves". Plenty of Thai working girls are liking old guys as customers. Even 80 year olds can have good sex (possibly with vitamin V assist).
Positive reports on the forum are more valued than negativity. Try to report something potentially useful.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1595837]The purpose of the forum is share tips for meeting great girls for sex in great places. Without any factual data concerning how to find the particular girls or places, the writings become useless. That is why girl names, appearance gets mentioned. Its also not useful to say some girl is great unless there is enough detail to understand the way in which she is great, to some guy, so that others may recognise that they have a totally different taste, emphasis, and requirements. Advice on girls is supposed to help find particular types of girls that are known to be very capable in some specialty. I am wary about posting pics of girls unless identity is hidden, or they are fine with it, or their faces are already on web sites. I would ask myself "is she going to be badly upset by this pic".[/QUOTE]All good points. I also think the forum is a good place to learn how the P4P industry works in Bangkok. I put information in some of my posts that I know guys like you who know more than me probably find boring, but I remember when I was new to the game. It is nice to understand what transpires from the time you walk through the door until you leave. In a little while I'm going to post my first of two reports about Nataree. I deliberately take the time to explain the routine there and convey what the ladies I was with there are like, particularly in contrast to a Snow White lady.
[QUOTE=Custard;1595721]
P.S. I doubt a girl of Mojies quality would accept facial cum. And then slurping it down. She doesn't need too. Hot girl just don't go for it- at least that's been my experience with agogo girls.
I have to believe thses 60+ year old buzzard reports are just what they think happened-not what actually happened.
[/QUOTE]Total of 6 posts and you've made the top ten for idiots. Great start bro!
And that 60+yr old buzzard has a harem of girls that you could only wish for.....:D
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1595807]Thank you for sharing your opinions. I share your attitude about unprotected sex. Beyond that it appears you have very little sexual experience with a small number of women.
As Syzygies mentioned in a recent post, to the contrary, some of these women want photos and their escapades in the forum. They know about ISG and realize it is a good way to attract more customers. Why do you think the MP and escort websites put sexy photos and descriptions of each ladies' services in their websites?
Everything I put in my posts happens. My time with Mojie was not the wildest sexual experience I've had in the past few years, nor was it my wildest experience on this trip. That will be in my last post. My partner in crime, who is also a 60+ year old buzzard may wish to chime in after my post. He told me he would let me write the initial post. Some of us old buzzards are fit enough (I can run circles around most guys half my age), smart enough, successful enough and have enough self-confidence that many young women are attracted to us. In the case of the pros having, the means to pay them well is no doubt another factor. ;)
I may take something that is not funny at the time, such as my prostate gland infection, and try to turn it into something funny, but everything I mentioned in that, and all my posts, happened. I've had several real girl friends who enjoyed having men cum in their mouths. I've been with groups of ladies, all nonpros and all married, as they discussed how much they enjoyed giving blow jobs to their husbands. Many women don't find the taste of cum the least bit unpleasant and enjoy the feeling of men's penises in their mouths as the men build to the point of an orgasm and then spray warm cum into their mouths. They also like the feeling of warm cum on their faces. Many woman watch porn flicks to see how the pros do it and then try to copy them. It was obvious that was what Mojie was doing, as I tried to convey in my post. I had a partner for years with whom I used to watch porn as a prelude to sex. This is back in the very early 80's. One day she rented some anal videos. At one point while we were fucking she asked me to carefully put my cock in her ass. It hurt so we stopped. Later we tried it successfully. She discovered she really enjoyed anal. I've been around MP girls as they discussed a-level. Some of the ladies didn't do it and some did. Among those who did, some didn't mind it but didn't particularly enjoy it. Others said they really liked it and sometimes preferred it to vaginal sex. One of the ladies said. "It depends on how you're wired. " They all agreed.
As I got older and had more experience with more woman I was surprised to discover that many are far more sexually adventurous than I ever imaged. Over the years I've heard more women complain about their sexually boring husbands and boyfriends than complain they are too adventurous.
Of course there are woman with low libido and asexual woman. I'm sure they do not share these attitudes and behaviors.[/QUOTE]Haha Paul, well said. I think us old buzzards are still doing pretty well and having had the chance of mutual experience know how active you are. I also don't take offense at Custards comments. When I was 40 years younger I was also an arrogant little shit and could never understand how some young hot smoking girls would prefer a silver fox over me who considered himself a hot stud. If I only would have had the experience then which I have amassed over the years. Luckily it must have been my innocence and limited experience that made me endearing to some real cougars who showed me the that older women have the same thing about young men as we have about young ladies. These most of the time rich wives gave me more sexual education than any working girl. The only downside was that I had to jump more than once out of a window or over the backyard fence when the old man unexpectedly came home.
[QUOTE=BkkMick;1595867]I think us old buzzards are still doing pretty well and having had the chance of mutual experience know how active you are.[/QUOTE]The attraction of older but sexually still active gentlemen is probably genetically wired into her genes. It is an evolutionary advantage: being old but healthy, reasonably well off and still able to sire children pushes all the right buttons deep inside the women's most basic and primitive brain functions. Such genes are a definite worth "capturing" for her own off-spring.
It is the mirror image of men's desire to bang young healthy women.
[QUOTE=BkkMick;1595867]Haha Paul, well said. I think us old buzzards are still doing pretty well and having had the chance of mutual experience know how active you are.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1595870]The attraction of older but sexually still active gentlemen is probably genetically wired into her genes.[/QUOTE]I will say, so far my sixties is my favorite decade.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1595870]The attraction of older but sexually still active gentlemen is probably genetically wired into her genes. It is an evolutionary advantage: being old but healthy, reasonably well off and still able to sire children pushes all the right buttons deep inside the women's most basic and primitive brain functions. Such genes are a definite worth "capturing" for her own off-spring.
It is the mirror image of men's desire to bang young healthy women.[/QUOTE]It seems that PI girls take that to the next level, & quite a bit more seriously, than TGs:
[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;1587444]It is true that Filipinas hate condoms and love raw nasty sex. Guys who arrive in the Philippines with sincere intentions to use condoms in each and every sexual encounter eventually find their resolve weakened if not crushed. Filipinas will beg, whine and plead for some good old fashioned raw sausage complete with an injection of cream filling. Foreigners are perplexed by this seemingly blas attitude Filipinas have to being impregnated by complete strangers during casual sexual encounters. Unlike Western women who choose their impregnator based on his ability to pay a sizeable amount of child support for two decades, Filipinas choose the father of their children based on genetics. Desirable traits like intelligence, a long snout, eye color, height, a huge penis, etc. Can result in Filipina begging for your sperms.
"Give me baby" is a request heard regularly by foreigners visiting or residing in the Philippines.[/QUOTE]Continued at the above reference.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1595506]She was unusual in many ways. Too bad too many assholes thought a pretty young lady who just loved wild uninhibited sex gave them a license to abuse her. After a few overnight sessions she got to know me well enough to feel comfortable describing what some of her days were like. Wherever she is and whatever she is doing I wish her the best.[/QUOTE]Ditto Paul. One of my fondest memories was having lunch with her on the tables in front of Annie's. I remember the first time I met her. I gave her the best massage one could possibly get. A real massage. She was dumbfounded but she reciprocated very nicely and we became friends of sorts. We kept in touch over one of the chat apps for a long time. Then she just dropped of the grid. I hope that she is well.
[QUOTE=Bigatl164;1595602]I would think if someone is going to treat a woman bad, they don't need to be directed to her, that is to say. It doesn't mean they found the person from this forum. It is unfortunate that any one would abuse the women, but there are a lot of crazies out there. My goal is to use the forum to go to the fun places and select someone I feel good about and want to spend some time with.[/QUOTE]Where did you get the idea that men are finding women from this forum and treating them badly?
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1595607]
That's what I'm trying to do. My question is, where should I draw the line?[/QUOTE]You are doing a good jib. Carry on just like this.
[QUOTE=Pita123;1595963]Where did you get the idea that men are finding women from this forum and treating them badly?[/QUOTE]I was reading this thread a day or 2 ago. Maybe I misunderstood. But basically it just related to sme guys who give some girls a hard time and be disrespectful.
[QUOTE=Custard;1595721]
P.S. I doubt a girl of Mojies quality would accept facial cum. And then slurping it down. She doesn't need too. Hot girl just don't go for it- at least that's been my experience with agogo girls. I have to believe thses 60+ year old buzzard reports are just what they think happened-not what actually happened[/QUOTE]Perhaps you need a little more experience in the scene. One of the reasons I chose to make BKK my home back in '99 when I was a young mid-30's dude was the fact that the older guys still got great looking gals.
Truth be told as we age we get a little wiser in more than one way. We realize that we will never really "know" women, but in turn we learn a bit about how to treat them and how to handle their volatility.
"I doubt a girl of Mojies quality would accept facial cum. And then slurping it down. She doesn't need too. Hot girl just don't go for it".
That sounds like a very non-Western attitude. I have had plenty of hot gals here who love intense dirty sex. I think one thing that differs between Western dudes and Non-Western dudes when it comes to P4 P is we tend to want the gal to have a good time and we will do whatever it takes to turn her on. Eat that snatch, lick that asshole, DFK, break out the vibrator, etc. We will try to give then a BFE or a PSE as well. It is not simply about service from her to us. Why? Well, if she is turned on we have a much better time and she is far more likely to let go and it makes for a mutually good experience, which used to be the norm in gogo bars until the vast number of non-western dudes started showing up. In 99 there were a few gogo bars that had some Japanese guys but for the most part they went to Thaniya. Gogo gals catered to Western tastes. Now the mix is far more multi-cultural for better or worse and service is not the same. Most Asian guys I know want their P4 P to be far more passive. It is simply business. They are more likely to lay back and get "serviced" as opposed to wanting to have a GFE or PSE. For them it is about saying, "Hey, I was with that pretty girl. " Far more about the aesthetic than the performance. For the provider that does not like sex, this is far easier, so you cater to Asian customers.
If you are not finding hot girls that will have fun then perhaps you are taking the wrong girls or you need to work on your interview process bit. Best of luck to you.
So yes, the "60+ year old buzzard" just might be having more fun than you are. And BTW, you will be 60 soon enough if you are fortunate.
[QUOTE=Pita123;1595963]Where did you get the idea that men are finding women from this forum and treating them badly?[/QUOTE]The bad customers are going to play somewhere, regardless. Some girls are going to experience them.
The bad customers can find out about the PSE shops. Its better they go there than take less experienced girls from elsewhere. Girls in PSE shops are expecting a certain percentage of psychos / sadists etc. , and even guys who don't want to pay, which is why all in prices are becoming prevalent.
I don't think the forum will have much effect on the personality of bad guys.
Mojies a sweet girl. Someone teach her about STD"s.
Crazy house has about 20 to 25% fake noses. I counted 7 girls with fakes today. However only 1 girl with silicone tits today. These numbers are miles behind Baccara and Sharks. That is why I greatly prefer Crazy House. The looks are far superior.
Called in at Suzi Wong. The slightly famous top heavy Noon was not there. There is a rumour her major Farang Boyfriend is in town. So I could not recheck if there was any semblence of an hour glass or not. However was generally agreed her waist is not small. The lineup was not that special with too many thick girls. Sisters Em and Knot are not bad though. ND had several regular customers to choose from. Its generally agreed she has the best body in the place. Actually best face as well. Anne, Bo and Yao were missing. Dtom present. Noi present.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1596256]Called in at Suzi Wong. The slightly famous top heavy Noon was not there. There is a rumour her major Farang Boyfriend is in town. So I could not recheck if there was any semblence of an hour glass or not. However was generally agreed her waist is not small.[/QUOTE]There are what are called measured operational definitions for the four body types. Take her measurements and see which of the four types she best fits. Want to take a bet which one it is? ;)
FYI, I liked Suzy Wong. Glad you write about it so much. :)
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1595870]The attraction of older but sexually still active gentlemen is probably genetically wired into her genes. It is an evolutionary advantage: being old but healthy, reasonably well off and still able to sire children pushes all the right buttons deep inside the women's most basic and primitive brain functions. Such genes are a definite worth "capturing" for her own off-spring.
It is the mirror image of men's desire to bang young healthy women.[/QUOTE]Very fine thoughts. Writing as a Canadian with grandchildren who spends most of the year in Colombia, Cuba, and Thailand, it was great to read your words. Those 3 cultures have great respect for older persons, a far cry from Canadian and other western cultures, and I think that also makes for young chica and older gringo or older man of their country desirable for the chica and very acceptable in their countries.
Respecting senoir citizens doesn't mean girls are hot for them. Will you guys stop kidding yourselves. Its disgusting. Go to a Tata concert you don't see age inappropriate cupples anywhere.
Stickdude says senoirs are the ones demanding un-protected sex. Is ithat true? Makes sense to me.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1596272]There are what are called measured operational definitions for the four body types. Take her measurements and see which of the four types she best fits. Want to take a bet which one it is? ;)
[/QUOTE]Well I see things differently to you Paul. You are clearly top oriented as you did not mention the ass in some of your descriptions. To me the ass is all important.
It all relative to me. Would be very interesting to measure waist thigh and tits and see which girls have best waist to thigh ratio, and best gaps, but its a bit hard to go in there with a tape measure. I guess would have to offer a drink or tip to each one willing to be measured. LOL.
There is little doubt Noon will have a big tit measurement. Waist will be large compared to ND and other girls I like (several more Kgs. in weight). Tall Anne with win for most extreme hour glass ratios, small waist with big thigh and big tits, little doubt. Some skinny girls like Bo and Dtom have very good waist to thigh ratios, but almost no tits. Knot has great waist and thigh, but small tits.
If its waist to thigh ratio competition, a lot of girls will be lower than Noon, but this is probably not the measure your mind focuses on, as we have different orientation altogether. I fear that the classic definitions of apple, banana, etc. are oriented to fat western girls rather than Thais, and therefore may be very lenient in qualification for hour-glass. I would generally be happy with any girl with ratio 0.6 to 0.7. Ratio 0.8 is getting towards too straight bodied for my liking, and higher than 0.8 is really poor. There is little doubt it is not just the ratio that matters to me. The absolute size matters too. I prefer small waist rather than large. So a large waist with massive thigh in a good ratio will not do it for me. Doubtless there would be no gap at all in this case.
Anyway its good not every guy likes the skinnies like me, and are willing to take more robust looking builds, even with big half coconut sillies added, and broader faces appeal to other guys too. Means girls that have no chance with me have a strong chance with other guys.
It usually happens to me, unfortunately, that the girl I like most is also the very most popular girl in the shop, but not always.
At Annies I liked the tall model figure of #24 (even if her tummy started to get a little flab) without the sillies but stunning ass. She did get too popular. Too many guys I think wanted to pay a low amount and think they had a license to screw all night. That is why at one point she was not available for long outcall any more (but was still available to good customers after a certain time). She probably would have been better off as a bargirl where could choose her customers, and demand higher money. I do believe the best quality girls are better off as bargirls as they can get similar money without screwing as many times.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1596003]Perhaps you need a little more experience in the scene.
"snip"
If you are not finding hot girls that will have fun then perhaps you are taking the wrong girls or you need to work on your interview process bit. Best of luck to you.
So yes, the "60+ year old buzzard" just might be having more fun than you are. And BTW, you will be 60 soon enough if you are fortunate.[/QUOTE]Doesn't this CusTurd remind you of the infamous Harold444 from days gone by who did the same criticizing troll? Here I was, not believing in ghosts, but he will just NOT go away. We need an exorcist. Harold, how many handles have you had on here anyway? Lost track no doubt.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1596467]Well I see things differently to you Paul. You are clearly top oriented as you did not mention the ass in some of your descriptions.
It usually happens to me, unfortunately, that the girl I like most is also the very most popular girl in the shop, but not always.
At Annies I liked the tall model figure of #24 (even if her tummy started to get a little flab) without the sillies but stunning ass. She did get too popular. Too many guys I think wanted to pay a low amount and think they had a license to screw all night. That is why at one point she was not available for long outcall any more (but was still available to good customers after a certain time). She probably would have been better off as a bargirl where could choose her customers, and demand higher money. I do believe the best quality girls are better off as bargirls as they can get similar money without screwing as many times.[/QUOTE]I don't think ISG plays a huge role on the popularity but at some point it does.
Especially with the lurker only, those reading and not familiar with a place will go there and will take the one they read about, rather than form their own choice. Of course one has to start from somewhere and rather than shooting in the dark you chose one you have been hearing of.
[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1596518]Doesn't this CusTurd remind you of the infamous Harold444 from days gone by who did the same criticizing troll? Here I was, not believing in ghosts, but he will just NOT go away. We need an exorcist. Harold, how many handles have you had on here anyway? Lost track no doubt.[/QUOTE]Good observation. It has to be Harold444.
Custard recent posts include these classic-Harold444 style posts:
From 7-15-14 "Undoubtly a Superstar. I bet she gets over a 1000 dicks a year-easily. Perhaps income of over $75,000 a year- do the math if you doubt me. She has to get at least 3 customers a day.
Don't know how she does it but is very bubbly at all times. ".
From 7-17-14 " The reason you have all the NCP girls all to yourself is they ain't that hot. Just average and below. A hottie doesn't need to down to 700 baht. Only reason is she ain't that hot to begin with.
His posts fit a certain profile"
1. constant insults of older mongers.
2 always talks about "Superstar" Go Go girls which he fawns over versus non hotties - whom he relentlessly insults.
3.. often mentions Rainbow clubs.
4.. poor spelling, many Admin deletions or edits, with handles only recently created.
Went to see my regular at Dr BJ. I normally take VIP. Gun says its her period so can do only BJ. Ok I take whatever is available. The BBBJ is great but I am not used to CIM. Time expires and have not Cum. I extend but soon suggest I could cum much easier in doggy position. She eventually agrees and sure enough in doggy on a chair the dick goes from medium hard to properly hard and I can cum after a relatively short time. Plenty lube. My dick has just got too used to this position and sight of her sexy ass is helping. I must be the freak who cums easier from fucking than from BJ. Maybe if I got no sex for several days the BJ would work easy enough.
A little color never bothered me, except I could not give her a nice DATY.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1596622]Went to see my regular at Dr BJ. I normally take VIP. Gun says its her period so can do only BJ. Ok I take whatever is available. The BBBJ is great but I am not used to CIM. Time expires and have not Cum. I extend but soon suggest I could cum much easier in doggy position. She eventually agrees and sure enough in doggy on a chair the dick goes from medium hard to properly hard and I can cum after a relatively short time. Plenty lube. My dick has just got too used to this position and sight of her sexy ass is helping. I must be the freak who cums easier from fucking than from BJ. Maybe if I got no sex for several days the BJ would work easy enough.
A little color never bothered me, except I could not give her a nice DATY.[/QUOTE]I like this report. It reminds me of me. But, wait a minute, so you did have sex with your regular girl while she was on her mens, right? Not that there is anything wrong with doing it with a girl you know and are very fond of. I feel it adds a touch of intimacy. On the last night of my 2014 trip, my favorite Makati girl informed me she was on the rag, but she still wanted to show me a great final night (and surely did not want my wallet to go somewhere else LOL). We had sex in the shower, then leaning over the bathtub, then on top on towels on the bed. It was one of the best sessions of my entire 7 week trip. She was only a little spotty, but it was a good thing she laid a towel down on the bed. I am so looking forward to seeing this girl again on my next trip. All the Thai girls I see on a regular basis will not shag while bloody, but Pinays are another story.
On CIM. COF, I don't get it. It doesn't do much for me. It seems like a waste of my personal vital fluids. I guess I am an old fashion guy because I really only like to cum in a girl's pussy. To steal Bill Clinton's famous line and make it my own; it don't feel like sex if I don't cum in her pussy.
I know a few girls that are expert at BBBJ's and thigh massages (oily HJ's). It is a high skill set to know how to give a quality HJ as opposed to just jagging a guy off. These properly trained girls know how to take a customer right to the brink of an erotic orgasm, but then walk him back down, let the feeling subside only to bring him back to the brink again and again. I view the thigh massage as a enjoyable prelude to great sex. It really turns me on and these girls could easily bring me to orgasm with their hands if I wanted them to. I know several of these skilled artisans in Macau. There is also a girl in EZ 1 that I met recently who is an expert in the thigh massage too. PM me (Syzgies, Paul, Goatscrot, B-man, and a few other board member friends - you know who you are) if you are interested.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1596622]Went to see my regular at Dr BJ. I normally take VIP. Gun says its her period so can do only BJ. Ok I take whatever is available. The BBBJ is great but I am not used to CIM. Time expires and have not Cum. I extend but soon suggest I could cum much easier in doggy position. She eventually agrees and sure enough in doggy on a chair the dick goes from medium hard to properly hard and I can cum after a relatively short time. Plenty lube. My dick has just got too used to this position and sight of her sexy ass is helping. I must be the freak who cums easier from fucking than from BJ. Maybe if I got no sex for several days the BJ would work easy enough.
A little color never bothered me, except I could not give her a nice DATY.[/QUOTE]Actually for me the doggy works all the time and I may fuck in many positions, but I get easily aroused in doggy. You can know about it from my handle here 5555.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1596467]Well I see things differently to you Paul.[/QUOTE]Syzygies, I do have an "ideal" female body type. It would be a woman who is about 165-170 cm, a toned body, especially the abs, hips, ass and legs, nicely shaped, medium size, natural breasts and with a beautiful face, capped by long dark brown hair. This is an aesthetic ideal, and has little to do with whether I am sexually attracted to a woman. I enjoy sitting across the dinner table with such a woman, fucking and partying is another matter. For this attitudinal factors are as important as physical appearance. I like women who are happy and smile a lot. I like woman who like to have fun. I like to have sex with women who really enjoy sex. As for age, early twenties to early forties works for me. Though I have admitted in my senior years I have developed a fondness for ladies in their early twenties, and I don't mind if they are sexually inexperienced as long as they want to have fun. Women who are tall, short, thin, full-figured, large breasted, flat breasted have pretty or plain faces can appeal to me. Oh, and I like woman who have healthy skin. It is easier to describe the physical attributes that are turn offs. These would be too many tats, scars, sloppy fat and cellulite, in general woman who don't take of their bodies. Of course some woman are just ugly. They have unattractive faces and bad body shapes from their genetic makeup as much as anything. Naturally, I'm not attracted to these woman. It is nice that women come in so many different shapes and sizes and that we all have our personal preferences. I feel lucky to have such wide ranging tastes. I can have fun with many women whom I know other guys would find very ordinary and lacking in sex appeal. Fine with me. Send them my way so I can see if they appeal to me.
[QUOTE=Custard;1596424]Respecting senoir citizens doesn't mean girls are hot for them. Will you guys stop kidding yourselves. Its disgusting. Go to a Tata concert you don't see age inappropriate cupples anywhere.
Stickdude says senoirs are the ones demanding un-protected sex. Is ithat true? Makes sense to me.[/QUOTE]Who is Tata?
[QUOTE=AssLover945;1596670]Actually for me the doggy works all the time and I may fuck in many positions, but I get easily aroused in doggy. You can know about it from my handle here 5555.[/QUOTE]And note (along with "lazy dog' or woman prone) it's overwhelmingly most women's favorite position also. The angle is somehow optimized in orgasmic terms for them, the later apparently acting as a clasping response of some type thus increasing he odds of conception Note if a male looks at 100 different nude or semi nude female photos ,all things equal the ones with the ass turned are far more sexy. Definitely an evolutionary connection, one in fact having nothing to with the ass per se, but instead with the standard (vaginal) copuluation position of apes..
[QUOTE=TonyHoeprano;1596694]Who is Tata?[/QUOTE]Tata Young, (half american) Thai pop singer.
[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tata_Young[/URL]
[QUOTE=Custard;1596424]Respecting senoir citizens doesn't mean girls are hot for them. Will you guys stop kidding yourselves. Its disgusting. Go to a Tata concert you don't see age inappropriate cupples anywhere.
Stickdude says senoirs are the ones demanding un-protected sex. Is ithat true? Makes sense to me.[/QUOTE]You brain must be made out of your nickname. Why would a large age difference between partners be disgusting?
In this forum we discuss P4P and indeed most of the girls I take to my hotel room I would not bring to a tea party with my maiden aunts, but then again that is not the focus of our discussions here. If she acts in such a way that she makes me hot for her, then her mission is accomplished, she did a good job and will receive her fee and perhaps a tip. I'm happy, she's happy and the world has gotten a little better.
And what if she enjoys being with me? Is that wrong? What if I take her out for dinner and -oh the horror- families with children see us together? It might shock you but it has happened and the world did not stop turning and neither did a wrathful god strike us down.
It seems you have no experience with working girls. I sugggest you get yourself properly dressed and get out of your mother's basement and explore the world physically rather than vicariously through our posts here. But watch out, you may enjoy yourself and never want to go back to your old sad self.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1596723]You brain must be made out of your nickname. Why would a large age difference between partners be disgusting?
In this forum we discuss P4P and indeed most of the girls I take to my hotel room I would not bring to a tea party with my maiden aunts, but then again that is not the focus of our discussions here. If she acts in such a way that she makes me hot for her, then her mission is accomplished, she did a good job and will receive her fee and perhaps a tip. I'm happy, she's happy and the world has gotten a little better.
And what if she enjoys being with me? Is that wrong? What if I take her out for dinner and -oh the horror- families with children see us together? It might shock you but it has happened and the world did not stop turning and neither did a wrathful god strike us down.
It seems you have no experience with working girls. I sugggest you get yourself properly dressed and get out of your mother's basement and explore the world physically rather than vicariously through our posts here. But watch out, you may enjoy yourself and never want to go back to your old sad self.[/QUOTE]Harold444 (who posts under many different handles) in fact has extensive experience with working girls, and has IMHO legitimate expertise in regard to the Bangkok Go Go scene, especially the Rainbow clubs, HOWEVER for reasons unknown seems to enjoy provoking older mongers on this forum,and also insulting the less attractive Go Go girls. His posts overall are quite entertaining.
[QUOTE=Western787;1596784]Harold444 (who posts under many different handles posts overall are quite entertaining.[/QUOTE]Entertaining or infantile?
[QUOTE=Western787;1596566]
His posts fit a certain profile
[/QUOTE]I never paid enough attention to notice. If the high correlation is there, there will be little doubt, I imagine. Some people just cannot hide their styles. I would certainly notice if the consistent shit dumper "SourPuss" (luv puss) reappeared. I can only recall about once he reported an actual sex experience that contained any info. Maybe the odd Hotel preference report. So was a 95% shit dumper.
Went to NP, to have a quick look. Noi with super ass has moved from Dollhouse to Hot Lips in NP. Used to be Fantasia. It has gogo girls and Coyote girls. The Coyote girls are a bit of a waste IMHO, as they are not that special looking and not even great dancers. The cut off shorts interferes with seeing a nice ass properly, should they have one.
A few fake tits and a few fake noses, spoiling some of the girls that otherwise might have been attractive. One or two girls with pretty faces, but bodies a bit straightish, so not the whole package. Wasn't overwhelmed but I guess its an okay Bar, a little boring for me, especially when the Coyote girls dance for what seems like eternity. Relaxed rules make it attractive bar for girls to work in but not a lot of customers.
Went to Rainbow 4 as well to check how it goes these days. More than 50% of the girls are too thick for me, being a skinny girl specialist. A lot of weird hairdos for the Japanese customers, a lot of fake noses, and a lot of sillies. Quite a lot of basically plain faces. Maybe the level of Ops is not as high as Baccara, but higher percent of semi-fatties. I managed to spot one quite natural good looking girl Cat from Buriram, No. 026. However a shy type not very experienced, so I don't imagine she would be great on the bed. Almost no tits. I also spotted a girl I remember from long ago maybe was something like No. 143 with apparently good body, but face looked a bit strange with a nose job. Girls are overdressed not even going topless in NP in the current political climate. There is nothing much to draw me to RB4 regularly. I could imagine that guys who like Baccara will also like RB4, but its dull for me. Girls don't even know how to dance. Just jiggle around boringly.
I much prefer the nude girls in Cowboy certain bars, and places where some girls know how to dance in a more sexy way.
I note that many of the bars I used to go to in NP, many years ago, have disappeared, like Lollipop, Pretty Lady, Voodoo, etc. Really there is far too much Ladyboy stuff in Nana too. I don't really understand what is making guys favour NP at all. Its a puzzle to me.
[QUOTE=Western787;1596710]Note if a male looks at 100 different nude or semi nude female photos ,all things equal the ones with the ass turned are far more sexy. [/QUOTE]Here is my definition of perfect "hourglass" for Paul. Any girl approaching this (maybe a bit shorter or slimmer) will do it for me. That guy has it all. I have seen Thai girls with a figure getting close to this good, but never yet with the such a stunning face at the same time.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1597023]Here is my definition of perfect "hourglass" for Paul. Any girl approaching this (maybe a bit shorter or slimmer) will do it for me. That guy has it all. I have seen Thai girls with a figure getting close to this good, but never yet with the such a stunning face at the same time.[/QUOTE]She is a stunning hourglass. Personally, for pure aesthetics, I prefer a lady with more toned and athletic ass, hips and legs. Needless to say, the SW girl I BFed had a figure that does not compare with the lady in your post. The thing is any pear shaped lady, big hips and a normal waist will be an hourglass after implants. The fashion industry defines hourglass as more or less equal sized boobs and hips. So a 36-24-36 (I'm using inches) may be a perfect hourglass, but a 32-28-38 pear who has a 38-28-38 figure after the implants would be an hourglass, but it sounds like you would not find a woman with those measurements attractive. As you correctly point out it is good different men have different tastes.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1597067]The fashion industry defines hourglass as more or less equal sized boobs and hips. So a 36-24-36 (I'm using inches) may be a perfect hourglass, but a 32-28-38 pear who has a 38-28-38 figure after the implants would be an hourglass, but it sounds like you would not find a woman with those measurements attractive. As you correctly point out it is good different men have different tastes.[/QUOTE]Yes I guess I am looking for a skinny hourglass with good gap under the bum and the tits size is not that important. Even a flattish chest can still be significantly bigger than the waist. A slim pear is okay For me too. A really thick "hourglass" with big waist, and huge thighs (lacking gap) and large sillies won't work for me. I would not even associate a big girl with hourglass at all. I don't actually know at how many inches the waist gets too thick for me. However I did say that RB4 had 50% girls too thick for me. LOL. Crazy House has only about 20% girls too thick for me. At Suzi Wong its probably 50% or more too thick. For looking at beautiful skinny bodies, I like Crazy House. For barfining girls, I like Suzi Wong best. That is where I get the highest success rate. As Goatscrot says, it can be a crap shoot. Same applies to MPs though except for the well known PSE shops, where your chances for a good performer improve, and chances for a dick-scared girl decrease.
All hour-glasses have a very narrow neck in the middle where the sand passes through, right?
I guess I can use my hands to estimate girls waist size, as I know that from thumb to middle finger tip is about 8 inches straight line and just a little more in the curve. I have met girls where the two hands made it a fair proportion of the way and so they could have been a 24. I suspect that most of the "thick" girls are more than 28. Will be interesting to check.
I guess at Baccara, somehow my brain is looking at highly altered girls with a poor waist to thigh ratio and subconsciously thinking looks like a "lady boy", not like a real female. A flat ass looks rather masculine to me too, as does a large chest (ignoring the tits for a moment).
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1597083]All hour-glasses have a very narrow neck in the middle where the sand passes through, right?[/QUOTE]I do find the body-type you are attracted to very appealing.
There is a long history in women's fashion behind the term hour-glass, and it was originally used to describe the exaggerated silhouette fashionable woman forced their bodies into. Elaborate undergarments, supports and constraining garments where worn to create a figure that was naturally impossible. Some woman even crushed and deformed the lower part of their rib cages to achieve the illusion. The constraints also prevented their GI systems from working properly. Today, the hourglass is one of four silhouettes the industry has in mind while designing clothes. Symmetry between bust and hips defines the modern hour-glass figure. Narrow waists, especially in North America and Europe are getting harder to find.
The noses in SW are real.
The breasts are real.
The ratios of whatever are real.
In conclusion SW crew is really un-attractive. On scale -girls as a group maybe a 3. 5 on 10 point scale.
The lowest rated Rainbow girls would be eye-droppers at SW.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1597023] I have seen Thai girls with a figure getting close to this good, but never yet with the such a stunning face at the same time.[/QUOTE]Not without a lot of surgical enhancement. Let's face it, most SE Asians have a slim body type. They tend to flat asses and small-to-medium chests. Not necessarily a bad thing, but a true hourglass is rather rare. Well, let's say it's rare on most puu ying. LOL. :D
This particular model is quite pretty, although she's had work done, too. The boobs are fake, the ass *might* be. But if you're looking for more of this body type you'll probably be happier looking in South America.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1597129]Not without a lot of surgical enhancement. Let's face it, most SE Asians have a slim body type. They tend to flat asses and small-to-medium chests. Not necessarily a bad thing, but a true hourglass is rather rare. Well, let's say it's rare on most puu ying. LOL. :D
This particular model is quite pretty, although she's had work done, too. The boobs are fake, the ass *might* be. But if you're looking for more of this body type you'll probably be happier looking in South America.[/QUOTE]I checked out ND at Suzi W tonight. She has the best body along with Anne. ND was 30-24-34 to 35 (3rd measurement estimated). So its rather slim, waist to thigh ratio is about 0. 7 perfect and nice gap between the thighs. Ass is not at all flat, similar shape but smaller than model in my pic. Tits are a bit small.
Anne is a little less slim, taller, and has even lower waist to thigh ratio, I guess maybe about 0. 65, and excellent enhanced but quite soft D cups (originally was a good B). So the most curvy body in the place. No one else had a good enough body to be worth worrying about. Some of my other favourite girls were missing. Many were very drunk Saturday night I'm told.
The best body at Crazy House I saw a few weeks ago was Nat, whose body was somewhere in between ND and Anne mentioned above with extremely high natural C+ to D- cups, waist to thigh ratio under 0. 7 and superb gap. I rated her a perfect 10 (for Thailand) although again ass would be a little smaller than the model in my pic, which makes sense for a girl less tall of course. Definitely not a flat ass type.
So a few Thais do have super model bodies but for being a bit smaller / shorter.
[QUOTE=Custard;1597097]The noses in SW are real.
The breasts are real.
The ratios of whatever are real.
In conclusion SW crew is really un-attractive. On scale -girls as a group maybe a 3. 5 on 10 point scale.
The lowest rated Rainbow girls would be eye-droppers at SW.[/QUOTE]Thank you Custard. It is a relief to read that you rate the SW girls very low on your scale of beauty. It means I can safely go there and pick up any of these "beauties" without running the risk of ever meeting you there. Suzi Wong has just gone up even more on my list of good places.
[QUOTE=Custard;1597097]
In conclusion SW crew is really un-attractive. On scale -girls as a group maybe a 3. 5 on 10 point scale.
The lowest rated Rainbow girls would be eye-droppers at SW.[/QUOTE]ROFLMAO. Sure your eye drops away to avoid looking at the very un-appealing girls, whether they are from Rainbow, or Suzi.
There is no point rating girls as a group, as there are never more than a small percentage of extra good lookers, even in Rainbow. Crazy House has a higher percentage that I would bother to look at.
Hi,
I am new to BKK but have been around a bit in various places so not so young and naive. However I met a bar girl who you guessed it I fell for not a young 25 yr old or anything like that her best years are behind her no doubt. Me married a long time I mean long but somehow this went out the window and now I am on the brink of giving it all up for this girl who never asked me for much and not once tried to rip me off. I know all the horror stories about being fleeced due to the buffalo etc and as I said I am not naive enough to think she loves my beer belly and grey hair but somehow there is some connection there and I can't put my mind at rest if I am just being a silly old bugger or if it can work. By the way I can probably get a job in Thailand from my company and my mate says go for it and if it does not work out there is always plenty of more attractive younger models to be had.
The dilemma is do I chuck in a very good life with all the things you can imagine including a pretty wife and grand kids or do I stick with what I got and always look back and regret. I know there are some wise old experienced heads on here who probably have had the same dilemma so any good advice and experiences would be helpful. I will be back there in two weeks and need to make or break this one way or the other.
[QUOTE=Markie123;1597177]Hi,
I am new to BKK but have been around a bit in various places so not so young and naive. However I met a bar girl who you guessed it I fell for not a young 25 yr old or anything like that her best years are behind her no doubt. Me married a long time I mean long but somehow this went out the window and now I am on the brink of giving it all up for this girl who never asked me for much and not once tried to rip me off. I know all the horror stories about being fleeced due to the buffalo etc and as I said I am not naive enough to think she loves my beer belly and grey hair but somehow there is some connection there and I can't put my mind at rest if I am just being a silly old bugger or if it can work. By the way I can probably get a job in Thailand from my company and my mate says go for it and if it does not work out there is always plenty of more attractive younger models to be had.
The dilemma is do I chuck in a very good life with all the things you can imagine including a pretty wife and grand kids or do I stick with what I got and always look back and regret. I know there are some wise old experienced heads on here who probably have had the same dilemma so any good advice and experiences would be helpful. I will be back there in two weeks and need to make or break this one way or the other.[/QUOTE]I sympathize with the dilemma, as I've been through something similar a long time ago. I'd be glad to share the experience with you in a PM if you decide to buy a membership.
GE.
[QUOTE=Markie123;1597177]
The dilemma is do I chuck in a very good life with all the things you can imagine including a pretty wife and grand kids or do I stick with what I got and always look back and regret. I know there are some wise old experienced heads on here who probably have had the same dilemma so any good advice and experiences would be helpful. I will be back there in two weeks and need to make or break this one way or the other.[/QUOTE]Just my opinions.
No. 1. You don't leave one woman, because you met another one. Needs to be something really seriously wrong with your relationship, to quit it.
No. 2. You don't decide on a new relationship after too short a time. You need two years of living together to really know someone and to experience most of the problems. After 2 years, the problems get worse and worse. Don't underestimate the problems caused by cultural differences and general beliefs.
If you are not together every day, then it takes a lot more than 2 years to know a girl well.
Inter racial couples, Thai with something else, have high danger of being wrong for either party or both if based on too short a period of time to know each other.
There is an old saying that is very true. If you fall in love with a girl in very quick time, you will also probably fall out of love in very quick time also.
I've been coming to BKK for several years but rarely ever went to a go go bar. When I did go I never sat with a girl. This past Saturday was different. I stopped into a few go go bars ultimately landing at Rainbows in Nana Plaza. It was towards the end of the night so I was lit. The line-up was interesting, but no one girl made me call her over. After about 3 turns of the stage a cute and bubbly girl (Fang) sat down beside me and asked permission to do so. I agreed. We talked for a few minutes. Her English was good. I bought her a drink (some small tequila concoction) and she gave me a deep wet kiss. Now she was cozying up to me with lots of touching and kissing. The, she asked for another drink and also one for the waitress. Ahhh, sure. She continued talking, kissing, and touching. Then, she asked about a bar fine so she didn't have to go on stage to dance. This is new to me. I've never heard of a bar fine to keep a girl from going back to the stage. Is this normal? What is the price? What is the bar fine to take her back to a hotel. I didn't agree to the bar fine and decided to leave since it was almost 1:30 am. The tab for my one beer and three bar girls drinks was over 600 baht. Ouch! These girls know how to work it. Or, am I gullible? Any advice.
[QUOTE=Markie123;1597177]Hi,
I am new to BKK but have been around a bit in various places so not so young and naive. However I met a bar girl who you guessed it I fell for not a young 25 yr old or anything like that her best years are behind her no doubt. Me married a long time I mean long but somehow this went out the window and now I am on the brink of giving it all up for this girl who never asked me for much and not once tried to rip me off. I know all the horror stories about being fleeced due to the buffalo etc and as I said I am not naive enough to think she loves my beer belly and grey hair but somehow there is some connection there and I can't put my mind at rest if I am just being a silly old bugger or if it can work. By the way I can probably get a job in Thailand from my company and my mate says go for it and if it does not work out there is always plenty of more attractive younger models to be had.
The dilemma is do I chuck in a very good life with all the things you can imagine including a pretty wife and grand kids or do I stick with what I got and always look back and regret. I know there are some wise old experienced heads on here who probably have had the same dilemma so any good advice and experiences would be helpful. I will be back there in two weeks and need to make or break this one way or the other.[/QUOTE]Your post is a little confusing but seems you have met a bar girl and want to move here to live with her. If you were single then I would say go for it only do not commit a lot of money I. E. On building or buying a house, opening a business together etc. However if your marriage is dull but still working after all your years together and you have kids, grandkids I would say don't burn your bridges just yet. Time will change what you are feeling now, maybe it gets better, I know a number of westerners who are happily married to locals but just as likely some would say more likely it may not work out as planned. Problem is as you say you will never know if you don't give it a go. Is it possible to continue to get to know her some more for say another year or so and then see how you feel?. Anyway best of luck with whatever decision you make.
[QUOTE=Markie123;1597177]Hi,
I am new to BKK but have been around a bit in various places so not so young and naive. However I met a bar girl who you guessed it I fell for not a young 25 yr old or anything like that her best years are behind her no doubt. Me married a long time I mean long but somehow this went out the window and now I am on the brink of giving it all up for this girl who never asked me for much and not once tried to rip me off. I know all the horror stories about being fleeced due to the buffalo etc and as I said I am not naive enough to think she loves my beer belly and grey hair but somehow there is some connection there and I can't put my mind at rest if I am just being a silly old bugger or if it can work. By the way I can probably get a job in Thailand from my company and my mate says go for it and if it does not work out there is always plenty of more attractive younger models to be had.
The dilemma is do I chuck in a very good life with all the things you can imagine including a pretty wife and grand kids or do I stick with what I got and always look back and regret. I know there are some wise old experienced heads on here who probably have had the same dilemma so any good advice and experiences would be helpful. I will be back there in two weeks and need to make or break this one way or the other.[/QUOTE]Awww, these are terrible choices, but even worse than choosing is not choosing.
Of course we cannot make this decision for you, only give you some pointers:
* If you can fall in love for another woman, there is indeed something not 100% right in your present realtionship. Then you have to ask if that can be salvaged or repaired somehow and if you want to invest time, money and effort in doing so. Again, make a choice and go full for that choice. If your heart and mind is not totally into it, then I don't think you should do it as chances are small it will stick. On the other hand that does not mean shacking up with your Thai bargirl is the only other alternative.
* Don't look sight of all options and nuances. All too often we *think* we have to choose between only two options: stay with the wife or live with the girlfriend. Don't limit yourself to these "extremes". I don't think you can have both as they are indeed "extremes", meaning totally opposites. But what if you would separate from your wife, not leave your country, not break all contact with her and your family? Over time the bounds will naturally become looser and introducing another partner will become less controversial and more acceptable. Who knows, perhaps your wife is as stuck in the relationship as you are and she would welcome some freedom as well.
* Jumping from one (not entirely successful) relationship into another (fresh, exotic, new, exciting, . . .) relationship is a bad bad idea. Perhaps the new relationship is only *good* compared to the old one. You cannot look at this with objective eyes as everything is relative to yourself and those around you. For a starving man, a piece of stale mouldy bread is heaven.
* Don't underestimate the change of scenery. Thai labour law is not foreigner friendly, immigration law rules are stacked against you, property law is really discriminating against non-Thai. All those queer things we find amusing and "so typicially Thai" when on vacation, get less and less fun when you have to live through them. I have a Thai GF and she takes really good care of me and when I have to leave her after spending three weeks in Thailand with her, it breaks my heart every damn time again. But when I'm back home, I really enjoy a really hot shower, eat "my" food, be able to read the newspaper, listen to (and understand) "my" radio, . . . Of course, after a few weeks I miss the Thai sun, their almost childlike carefree view on living, the fresh food, . . . And I'm not even mentiong all the physical benefits of having a much younger Thai GF within easy reach.
* One last comment (and now speaks my black lawyer heart): how will you manage your divorce when you are frolicking around in Thailand? Unless your wife is a saint and her family are all angels (not of the avenging type), her lawyer will have a field day in cleaning you out and leave you probably with far less than you hoped (or even feared) for. Changing to a life in Thailand is challenging and even more so if you are only "half the man" you used to be.
Of course I do not know you or your actual situation, so nothing I wrote may apply to you. Fine with me, it is your life and your decision.
P. S. Some guys are maintaining multiple wives. This is not a great thing to do to them if you don't have adequate time and money to support them all properly, assuming they want some support. My GF doesn't require large amounts of my time. Always has been an independent type. I still try to be with her regularly covering at least 25% of the days in the year. I don't look on mongering girls as potential GF replacements.
Consider carefully if you really need a wife / GF at all. If I should finish with GF, the preferred option is to NOT acquire another one, leading to far more flexibility. Okay I know this is not relevant for someone a bit crazy in love, but it wears off in time.
Your idea to live in Thailand for a while before making any drastic decision could be a good one. Good chance to meet other girls that will just add to the confusion. I have been crazy for a Thai girl before, but I never became a couple with such a girl that I was crazy about, and it wore off.
Hello fellow mongers,
I recently arrived in Bangkok from NYC and, it being my first time, was quite curious about the scene. Unable to rely on empirical data, I began searching the internet for useful tidbits and happened upon this website. To start, I would like to thank you for your generous contributions to the forum, which have made my first two nights in town more productive than they would have otherwise been.
On night 1 we arrived late, and before I had even established a local internet connection to review options, we walked through Soi Cowboy just taking it all in, ending up in Afterskool due to my friend being tempted by the girls' outfits. We had a quick drink, were informed about the naughty corner, and headed on our way. After walking awhile and on the way back to the hotel, I made a last second decision to take home a freelancer on Soi 11 for 1800 baht. She indicated that she was from Issan, 20 years old, and had a sort of cute girl next door look. Almost everything about the experience was average, although she had a remarkably round, firm ass. It was the equivalent of dipping my toe in the water.
Last night, after taking in some Thai boxing, we hit Crazy House. Where the previous evening I was mostly unimpressed, the talent there was better than what I'm used to in NYC. Some of the girls dancing nude I found very attractive, particularly #8 who was unfortunately busy moving from a guy's lap to the dance floor the entire time. When I asked mamasan for her, she gave me #53 instead, who I had also noticed and who was also petite and pretty.
There wasn't much chemistry, and her English was barely existent, but I was enamored with the feel of her smooth, blemish free skin as she sat on my lap, and decided to BF. The sex simply didn't work out, as she was young and clearly inexperienced. I remember someone using the term "dick scared" in another report, and it describes the situation well. The price, including BF, was 3000 baht.
So things haven't exactly been great thus far. I've had amazing GFE experiences in NYC that I would like to replicate here in Bangkok, and will continue on that quest this evening. Like anywhere else, YMMV, but I am grateful to you all for pointing me in the right direction. Perhaps the first empirical lesson to be learned here is that the hottest may very well not translate well in the sack, but I'm willing to keep throwing the proverbial line into the water.
Cheers,
Nigel
[QUOTE=Markie123;1597177]Hi,
I am new to BKK but have been around a bit in various places so not so young and naive. However I met a bar girl who you guessed it I fell for not a young 25 yr old or anything like that her best years are behind her no doubt. Me married a long time I mean long but somehow this went out the window and now I am on the brink of giving it all up for this girl who never asked me for much and not once tried to rip me off. I know all the horror stories about being fleeced due to the buffalo etc and as I said I am not naive enough to think she loves my beer belly and grey hair but somehow there is some connection there and I can't put my mind at rest if I am just being a silly old bugger or if it can work. By the way I can probably get a job in Thailand from my company and my mate says go for it and if it does not work out there is always plenty of more attractive younger models to be had.
The dilemma is do I chuck in a very good life with all the things you can imagine including a pretty wife and grand kids or do I stick with what I got and always look back and regret. I know there are some wise old experienced heads on here who probably have had the same dilemma so any good advice and experiences would be helpful. I will be back there in two weeks and need to make or break this one way or the other.[/QUOTE]You are thinking with your dick and not your brain. How good is this Thai girl's English assuming that you are not speaking Thai at all or very little? How much have you really shared with her other than pillow talk? I think Wolvenvacht has summed it up better than any one else.
I would put money on it that if you go that route you will wake one day and bitterly regret that decision. You describe your family "as a pretty wife and grand kids" which to me indicates that even if the sex life isn't like your honeymoon anymore you are still having feelings for her and your kids.
You say you can move with your company to Thailand? How do you think your girlfriend is going to fit into that life? Are you going to introduce her to your boss and will she go for tea with the other expat wives? It depends what level you are in the corporate strata but she will have a really shitty time meeting with the Farang wives and the Thai Tais who will figure out that she is an ex-bar girl in no time.
It doesn't matter where in the world but as a cardinal rule bar girls don't make good wives. By your own account she is not a 25 year old and therefore must have been in the business for some considerable time. There are only a very small number of girls I know who did the job for a period of time and knew when to stop and afterwards made sure that nobody knew about their past which also doesn't always work out. You are going to feel very special when half of your local colleagues all had a leg over your girl friend already and know what a great fuck she is.
Go outside of the bar and massage scene and Thais are as prude and conservative as any other Asian culture. Which is much more so than Western society. Also the average Thai wife is incredibly possessive and will check up on you much more than most caucasian wives. Any other girl you even look at is considered a threat to her existence.
If you really feel that married life is no longer the right thing (and you better think about this carefully with all the ramifications and effect that it will have not only on your wife but also on the kids) than make a clean break first and give yourself some time before running wide eyes shut into a relationship with somebody from a culture you seem to know about very little.
[QUOTE=Markie123;1597177]The dilemma is do I chuck in a very good life with all the things you can imagine including a pretty wife and grand kids or do I stick with what I got and always look back and regret[/QUOTE]I've never been married so take this with a grain of salt: why not settle for the best of both? Man was not made for monogamy yet the family can be a tremendous source of stability. Occasional bouts of infidelity with sexy young things may well keep everyone happy as long as the wife doesn't find out.
[QUOTE=Markie123;1597177]Hi,
I am new to BKK but have been around a bit in various places so not so young and naive. However I met a bar girl who you guessed it I fell for not a young 25 yr old or anything like that her best years are behind her no doubt. Me married a long time I mean long but somehow this went out the window and now I am on the brink of giving it all up for this girl who never asked me for much and not once tried to rip me off. I know all the horror stories about being fleeced due to the buffalo etc and as I said I am not naive enough to think she loves my beer belly and grey hair but somehow there is some connection there and I can't put my mind at rest if I am just being a silly old bugger or if it can work. By the way I can probably get a job in Thailand from my company and my mate says go for it and if it does not work out there is always plenty of more attractive younger models to be had.
The dilemma is do I chuck in a very good life with all the things you can imagine including a pretty wife and grand kids or do I stick with what I got and always look back and regret. I know there are some wise old experienced heads on here who probably have had the same dilemma so any good advice and experiences would be helpful. I will be back there in two weeks and need to make or break this one way or the other.[/QUOTE]Don't listen to all the hypocrites on this board. Just be smart about this. Thai woman are great at making men feel good. Check her out first. Look for a Facebook page without her knowing. They love social media and love to post! Tell her straight you are a normal guy, not rich. You want a normal relationship. Tell her you will not be her saviour but an equal partner. If she stays maybe you have a keeper. If she runs then you know she is after money! Good luck!
[QUOTE=Markie123;1597177]Hi,
I am new to BKK but have been around a bit in various places so not so young and naive. However I met a bar girl who you guessed it I fell for not a young 25 yr old or anything like that her best years are behind her no doubt. Me married a long time I mean long but somehow this went out the window and now I am on the brink of giving it all up for this girl who never asked me for much and not once tried to rip me off. I know all the horror stories about being fleeced due to the buffalo etc and as I said I am not naive enough to think she loves my beer belly and grey hair but somehow there is some connection there and I can't put my mind at rest if I am just being a silly old bugger or if it can work. By the way I can probably get a job in Thailand from my company and my mate says go for it and if it does not work out there is always plenty of more attractive younger models to be had.
The dilemma is do I chuck in a very good life with all the things you can imagine including a pretty wife and grand kids or do I stick with what I got and always look back and regret. I know there are some wise old experienced heads on here who probably have had the same dilemma so any good advice and experiences would be helpful. I will be back there in two weeks and need to make or break this one way or the other.[/QUOTE]Everything I've ever read says DON'T do it. I'm not sure how old you are but assume if you have grand kids you're my age. I've done a lot of thinking with my little head and it's seldom turned out well. Right ow I'm living with an 18 year old in my home country. Long story how that happened but it did. What I thought would be nirvana has turned into a bit of a pain in the ass. I forgot how much I liked living alone and quite frankly and 18 year old has little she can contribute intellectually. What will you and your Thai girl talk about? Her time working in the bars? What do you have in common other than the bed?
I've often thought about leaving this country and living this romantic life in SEA. I've read the horror stories. As much as I hate this country (politics) do I really want to take a step or two backwards in my position in life? I think not. I'm there for a month and the little idiosyncrasies start to drive me crazy. What about language? What about social circles? There's so much working against you. I've got a 25 year old in BKK that swears she will give up her work for me. As appealing as that sounds to me I've thought it through with my big head. Nothing good can come of it.
And what about your present family? What will you children and grand children think? My dad ran off with a hooker. They will find out sooner or later as will the pwople that you work with in BKK. Do you really want that social stigma hanging over you?
Be careful what you ask for, you may get it. .
Here's a picture of my roommate. You might think I'm a lucky guy but truth be told after three months she drives me crazy. Don't get me wrong. I still love fucking her but that's where it ends. She starts school soon so that will be a little relief.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1596622]Went to see my regular at Dr BJ. I normally take VIP. Gun says its her period so can do only BJ. Ok I take whatever is available. The BBBJ is great but I am not used to CIM. Time expires and have not Cum. I extend but soon suggest I could cum much easier in doggy position. She eventually agrees and sure enough in doggy on a chair the dick goes from medium hard to properly hard and I can cum after a relatively short time. Plenty lube. My dick has just got too used to this position and sight of her sexy ass is helping. I must be the freak who cums easier from fucking than from BJ. Maybe if I got no sex for several days the BJ would work easy enough.
A little color never bothered me, except I could not give her a nice DATY.[/QUOTE]I don't think you're a freak at all. Although I can get myself pretty excited about BBBJ and CIM it is not the norm. A woman bent over with ass in the air where I can see my cock pounding her pussy always manages to get me off.
[QUOTE=Markie123;1597177]Hi, I met a bar girl who you guessed it
The dilemma is do I chuck in a very good life with all the things you can imagine including a pretty wife and grand kids [/QUOTE]As you move from wife to girl friend to next wife to new girl friend you'll discover none are perfect; you're trading one set of strengths and weaknesses for another; and your life becomes more and more encumbered. In my case I eventually figured out that I'm rather self-centered and prefer the life of a single man. I like to freely fool around with any lady who strikes my fancy without having to worry about the implications on other relationships. For me getting out of all relationships was the right thing to do. If you can describe your current relationship as good and are considering staring a new relationship apparently you enjoy having one woman in you life. If your life is indeed good, why screw around with a good thing? But I wonder, if your current relationship is indeed good, why are you considering getting out of it?
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[QUOTE=Markie123;1597177]Hi,
I am new to BKK but have been around a bit in various places so not so young and naive. However I met a bar girl who you guessed it I fell for not a young 25 yr old or anything like that her best years are behind her no doubt. Me married a long time I mean long but somehow this went out the window and now I am on the brink of giving it all up for this girl who never asked me for much and not once tried to rip me off. I know all the horror stories about being fleeced due to the buffalo etc and as I said I am not naive enough to think she loves my beer belly and grey hair but somehow there is some connection there and I can't put my mind at rest if I am just being a silly old bugger or if it can work. By the way I can probably get a job in Thailand from my company and my mate says go for it and if it does not work out there is always plenty of more attractive younger models to be had.
The dilemma is do I chuck in a very good life with all the things you can imagine including a pretty wife and grand kids or do I stick with what I got and always look back and regret. I know there are some wise old experienced heads on here who probably have had the same dilemma so any good advice and experiences would be helpful. I will be back there in two weeks and need to make or break this one way or the other.[/QUOTE]Your first mistake is asking the wrong people for advice. Why do you think we are here? We don't have what you have described in your last paragraph! A very good life. Including a pretty wife and grand kids.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;1597531]Your first mistake is asking the wrong people for advice. Why do you think we are here? We don't have what you have described in your last paragraph! A very good life. Including a pretty wife and grand kids.[/QUOTE]But there may be many forum members who have experience with Bangkok working girls for whom they've chucked a wife, family and stable life.
[QUOTE=ChiefNigel;1597381]Hello fellow mongers,
I recently arrived in Bangkok from NYC and, it being my first time, was quite curious about the scene.
. . .
So things haven't exactly been great thus far. I've had amazing GFE experiences in NYC that I would like to replicate here in Bangkok, and will continue on that quest this evening. Like anywhere else, YMMV, but I am grateful to you all for pointing me in the right direction. Perhaps the first empirical lesson to be learned here is that the hottest may very well not translate well in the sack, but I'm willing to keep throwing the proverbial line into the water.
Cheers,
Nigel[/QUOTE]Depending on whether you are willing to sacrifice a bit in looks for good service, you may want to consider one of the oily massage places--Snow White I or II or Mango for starters--for better service than you have experienced so far. Some of us don't bother much anymore with the go go's or freelancers (other than to look) given the much better service (and value) we receive at the oily massage shops. The only caveat is sometimes you need to be persistent in visiting and re-visiting these places as the better lookers are often booked early and not available. In other words, if you visit once and don't see anything of interest, don't let that deter you from later trying again (no problem looking and leaving if nothing interesting is there).
Good luck during the rest of your trip!
[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1597571]Depending on whether you are willing to sacrifice a bit in looks for good service, you may want to consider one of the oily massage places--Snow White I or II or Mango for starters--for better service than you have experienced so far. Some of us don't bother much anymore with the go go's or freelancers (other than to look) given the much better service (and value) we receive at the oily massage shops. The only caveat is sometimes you need to be persistent in visiting and re-visiting these places as the better lookers are often booked early and not available. In other words, if you visit once and don't see anything of interest, don't let that deter you from later trying again (no problem looking and leaving if nothing interesting is there).
Good luck during the rest of your trip![/QUOTE]Thanks LA Guy, the advice makes sense, and part of me considered heading to Dr. BJ's to test the VIP waters and see what that brought. Instead, I headed back to Cowboy, befriended a couple of Europeans who had been around the block often enough that basically everyone knew their name, and made the rounds. Hit Crazy House (some girls looked they were in junior high), Suzy Wong, Rawhide (where I almost BF'd a 30-year old who seemed capable and willing to have a good time and still retained a nice, youthful look), and ended up at Afterskool. At this point we'd had a few drinks, and were considering doing the naughty corner for the hell of it, but instead I hit on the mamasan who was a forty-something who probably looked good 20 years ago and seemed like someone who'd be a killer in bed. After, we hit Penny Black for after hours, and mamasan brought her sister for me to take home. She is lying next to me at the moment passed out; a mid-20's cutie who was generally decent in the sack, but at one point complained that farangs like to "boom-boom" for too long.
Definitely the best intercourse so far, but was not keen on DATY and BBBJ was about average. Aside from some stretch marks on her stomach (daughter), she has a pretty great body with full breasts and smooth, slightly tanned skin.
Not even in the top 20 of NYC experiences, but still not a bad way to pass the time. LT is supposedly 4000, but her sister quoted 3000. We'll see what happens tomorrow before paying, but she seems like a decent girl so I won't give her a hard time.
The search continues.
Prices at Rainbow 1 have been reduced by 500 across the board.
ST on premise-2 k.
2. St off premise 2500
3. LT 4500
4 Mojie got unsightly implants to go with her belly tatto.
[QUOTE=JungleJon;1597342]I've been coming to BKK for several years but rarely ever went to a go go bar. When I did go I never sat with a girl. This past Saturday was different. I stopped into a few go go bars ultimately landing at Rainbows in Nana Plaza. It was towards the end of the night so I was lit. The line-up was interesting, but no one girl made me call her over. After about 3 turns of the stage a cute and bubbly girl (Fang) sat down beside me and asked permission to do so. I agreed. We talked for a few minutes. Her English was good. I bought her a drink (some small tequila concoction) and she gave me a deep wet kiss. Now she was cozying up to me with lots of touching and kissing. The, she asked for another drink and also one for the waitress. Ahhh, sure. She continued talking, kissing, and touching. Then, she asked about a bar fine so she didn't have to go on stage to dance. This is new to me. I've never heard of a bar fine to keep a girl from going back to the stage. Is this normal? What is the price? What is the bar fine to take her back to a hotel. I didn't agree to the bar fine and decided to leave since it was almost 1:30 am. The tab for my one beer and three bar girls drinks was over 600 baht. Ouch! These girls know how to work it. Or, am I gullible? Any advice.[/QUOTE]Sure some guys will BF a girl to enable them to get her time exclusively in the bar, when they really like a particular girl, and to prevent another guy stealing her away. Others BF to go have sex.
Cost you 600 Baht for kissing and touching and you complain. You are too stingy to attend bars or you can sit by yourself next time. Bars have to sell drinks to be viable. Girls have to get drink commissions to be able to pay the rent. They don't provide everything for free, because they are rapt in you.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;1597531]Your first mistake is asking the wrong people for advice. Why do you think we are here? We don't have what you have described in your last paragraph! A very good life. Including a pretty wife and grand kids.[/QUOTE]We? Plenty of mongers have a wife and kids, that they are not throwing away in a big hurry after meeting a nice bargirl.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1597539]But there may be many forum members who have experience with Bangkok working girls for whom they've chucked a wife, family and stable life.[/QUOTE]I have a buddy that was just married a short time when he came to Thailand, and freely admits that coming to Thailand quickly doomed his marriage as he was just too attracted to Thai girls. Ended up marrying a Thai and having kids. Eventually left the Thai girl losing interest. Then he could not escape the clutches of a determined Vietnamese girl and made another baby. Finally has a new Thai wife again. He may have chosen better this time. The grass is always greener on the other pasture.
I have had Farang wife, one Filipina, and 3 to 4 major Thai girlfriends. Hopefully I am on the last one. No intention to leave her or to ever replace her. Don't want another one. However I never quit one girl just because I met another. If a relationship was finished, then could contemplate a new one, but its usually a mistake to take a new GF. After a time, you find compatibility is not good enough, and the best sex life comes from mongering.
I admit I did fall for a Thai girl while I was still married, however I did not leave my wife, even though the marriage was clearly doomed (with benefit of hindsight - complete incompatibility), and I did not move to that Thai girl (she wasn't even available). However I can understand that falling badly for a Thai girl can be a symptom that something is seriously wrong with the marriage. I don't believe right now I would fall for a new Thai girl in the same way at all.
Some of us are quite happy to be alone. A partner is not necessary.
[QUOTE=ChiefNigel;1597620]
Not even in the top 20 of NYC experiences, but still not a bad way to pass the time. [/QUOTE]Chief,
First of all thanks for your nice reports!
I was wondering what kind of experiences these 'NYC experiences' are that you are talking about. Are these experiences with high end escort girls?
One cannot compare those kind of experiences with Thai agogo girls or freelancers just like that. If you have experiences with high end escort girls in NYC then you should compare them to high end escort girls in Bangkok.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1597708]I have a buddy that was just married a short time when he came to Thailand, and freely admits that coming to Thailand quickly doomed his marriage as he was just too attracted to Thai girls. Ended up marrying a Thai and having kids. Eventually left the Thai girl losing interest. Then he could not escape the clutches of a determined Vietnamese girl and made another baby. Finally has a new Thai wife again. He may have chosen better this time. The grass is always greener on the other pasture.
I have had Farang wife, one Filipina, and 3 to 4 major Thai girlfriends. Hopefully I am on the last one. No intention to leave her or to ever replace her. Don't want another one. However I never quit one girl just because I met another. If a relationship was finished, then could contemplate a new one, but its usually a mistake to take a new GF. After a time, you find compatibility is not good enough, and the best sex life comes from mongering.
I admit I did fall for a Thai girl while I was still married, however I did not leave my wife, even though the marriage was clearly doomed (with benefit of hindsight - complete incompatibility), and I did not move to that Thai girl (she wasn't even available). However I can understand that falling badly for a Thai girl can be a symptom that something is seriously wrong with the marriage. I don't believe right now I would fall for a new Thai girl in the same way at all.
Some of us are quite happy to be alone. A partner is not necessary.[/QUOTE]The problem is guys always think the grass is greener what they don't understand like real grass it take lots of work to keep it green! If you don't work on it " GRASS ALWAYS TURNS BROWN ".
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1597740]Chief,
First of all thanks for your nice reports!
I was wondering what kind of experiences these 'NYC experiences' are that you are talking about. Are these experiences with high end escort girls?
One cannot compare those kind of experiences with Thai agogo girls or freelancers just like that. If you have experiences with high end escort girls in NYC then you should compare them to high end escort girls in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Anytime, Mogwai. I'm not particularly experienced in the high-end escort side of life in NYC, having only tried it one time out of curiosity. What I found was the high price tag didn't correlate with better quality or better looks. In fact, the provider I had was a past her peak Japanese woman who I'm guessing services older businessmen. Very skilled, but her skin lacked the youthful elasticity that I enjoy. And it was three times the price. As a side note, I only hobby with Asian women, and cannot speak to the Russian or Latina market. If you search carefully, you can find excellent quality for the standard going rate in NYC (approx. 200 USD, but more 220-240 with the advent of GFE Korean houses), which for my standards is an Asian woman (typically Korean) between the ages of 21 and 35, a nice but not superb body, perhaps a 5-8 out of 10 in the looks department, and advanced skills. You'll rarely find a stunner in NYC, although this is of course very subjective. I've found perhaps a dozen women over the last few years that fit the foregoing criteria, regularly rotating between them before their inevitable departure, and am always on the lookout for new talent.
To me, the gogo or FL market in Bangkok is comparable to how I hobby in New York, except the women in Soi Cowboy (and particularly Crazy House) are in large part younger and prettier than what you'll find stateside. Even three nights in now, it's still complete sensory overload for me.
In finally trying to answer your question, my NYC experiences are with the above described women where there is strong sexual compatibility, the women are receptive and often orgasmic, and there is otherwise a nice connection (to the extent a connection in this hobby is possible). I leave happy, and they're happy. Win-win.
I was in BKK last week. Just a few quick things.
1. went to Nana Plaza. Rainbow 4 girls are no longer topless. I think probably because of the tighter rules under the military. Also, the quantity and quality of girls was down compared to before. Rainbow 1 also had fewer girls. But the caveat is that I went quite late, around midnight.
2. before I went to Nana, the night before, two of my friends who are in the movie industry (minor actors) took me to some private club which only sees to be for Thais. There were no girls in the bar when we walked in, but my friends went into the back room and talked to some one and within a five minutes several very hot girls showed up and entertained me for a while. They apparently are actress wannabes. The two who sat with me were both about 168 cm tall with very pretty faces and great bodies. I didn't take any photos, but they did go back to my hotel with me. Yes both of them. Will spare the details because too tired to write.
It only cost me the price of 4 beers. I guess the girls know that I am friends with some of their people in the movie industry so they want to be my friend too. But I was told the girls do moonlight in the p4 p world. I think at some of the higher end soapies.
I have no idea what is the name of the bar we went to. I will find out next time I go, probably next week. It is in Lad Prao, is all I know.
[QUOTE=ChiefNigel;1597381]Hello fellow mongers,
I recently arrived in Bangkok from NYC and, it being my first time, was quite curious about the scene. Unable to rely on empirical data, I began searching the internet for useful tidbits and happened upon this website. To start, I would like to thank you for your generous contributions to the forum, which have made my first two nights in town more productive than they would have otherwise been.
On night 1 we arrived late, and before I had even established a local internet connection to review options, we walked through Soi Cowboy just taking it all in, ending up in Afterskool due to my friend being tempted by the girls' outfits. We had a quick drink, were informed about the naughty corner, and headed on our way. After walking awhile and on the way back to the hotel, I made a last second decision to take home a freelancer on Soi 11 for 1800 baht. She indicated that she was from Issan, 20 years old, and had a sort of cute girl next door look. Almost everything about the experience was average, although she had a remarkably round, firm ass. It was the equivalent of dipping my toe in the water.
Last night, after taking in some Thai boxing, we hit Crazy House. Where the previous evening I was mostly unimpressed, the talent there was better than what I'm used to in NYC. Some of the girls dancing nude I found very attractive, particularly #8 who was unfortunately busy moving from a guy's lap to the dance floor the entire time. When I asked mamasan for her, she gave me #53 instead, who I had also noticed and who was also petite and pretty.
There wasn't much chemistry, and her English was barely existent, but I was enamored with the feel of her smooth, blemish free skin as she sat on my lap, and decided to BF. The sex simply didn't work out, as she was young and clearly inexperienced. I remember someone using the term "dick scared" in another report, and it describes the situation well. The price, including BF, was 3000 baht.
So things haven't exactly been great thus far. I've had amazing GFE experiences in NYC that I would like to replicate here in Bangkok, and will continue on that quest this evening. Like anywhere else, YMMV, but I am grateful to you all for pointing me in the right direction. Perhaps the first empirical lesson to be learned here is that the hottest may very well not translate well in the sack, but I'm willing to keep throwing the proverbial line into the water.
Cheers,
Nigel[/QUOTE]Bangkok not only has one third the living costs of NYC (1/5th in regard to long term apts) In regard to P4 P IMHO each "entertainment" dollar in Bangkok buys you 5 to 10 times NYC equivalent ASSUMING IT EXISTS AT ALL in NYC, which it often doesn't. Lets take "average guy" A, he's 50 year old, not wealthy but not poor, and lets say he lives in Bangkok half the year. Assume he's able to spend $1000 per week JUST on "entertainment" during each of his three 2 month stints in Bangkok. That $1000 in NYC in fact will not go very far, yet in Bangkok he will be overloaded with p4 p opportunities especially once he has developed some expertise in Bangkok, including access to a very large semi pro market, as there are literally 1000's of girls at any given point in time in Bangkok either undecided, just entering the business, dabbling in the business, or working the semi pro FL markets. I don't see that market in NYC. Bangkok which they consider an amazing Megalopolis of epic proportions draws them in from all over Thailand, and some of these girls can be quite attractive in a real world non P4P sense. If you are a gentlemen with these girls, and treat them as a non pros despite slipping them money, generally they will respond in kind. Sometimes it can be like you're in a dream when you're fortunate enough to run into some of the fresher less jaded girls, somethinggenerally next to impossible in the west.
For guys who only go to Bangkok once in awhile, NYC may not be that much different. But for high frequency Bangkok visitors, Bangkok is a different world.
[QUOTE=TesterTester;1597929]I was in BKK last week. Just a few quick things.
1. went to Nana Plaza. Rainbow 4 girls are no longer topless. I think probably because of the tighter rules under the military. Also, the quantity and quality of girls was down compared to before. Rainbow 1 also had fewer girls. But the caveat is that I went quite late, around midnight.
.[/QUOTE]You mean R4 left side? Girls didn't take their tops off at all? As far as Rainbow 1 having fewer girls, its possible due to the relentless jet engine level ear shattering music volume, many (ex R1) girls are now working as deaf mutes in NPL where they hang on he right side of the sign.
I already reported girls in Rainbow 4 are not even topless these days where as there are plenty of nude girls Soi Cowboy with nice naturals.
i also thought the R4 quality was down from previous visits and I was not that late. 50% of girls too thick. No stunners both face and body. Could get one or the other as far as bras would let you see.
Nothing that would make me return. Turned off by fakery and being over dressed.
[QUOTE=TesterTester;1597929] But I was told the girls do moonlight in the p4 p world. I think at some of the higher end soapies.
[/QUOTE]Soapies IMHO just don't get enough eyeballs these days for top end girls to just be hanging around all day and night. The business seems to be going the way of Soi 33.
Probably they work Terminal 21 under the guise of being Baskin Robbins customers licking ice cream cones.
Is there something going on this week? I tried to make some preliminary bookings and struck out 3 straight times at 3 different facilities; the girls' I asked for all on holiday that week? Or just coincidence.
[QUOTE=TesterTester;1597929]
It only cost me the price of 4 beers. I guess the girls know that I am friends with some of their people in the movie industry so they want to be my friend too. But I was told the girls do moonlight in the p4 p world. I think at some of the higher end soapies.
I have no idea what is the name of the bar we went to. I will find out next time I go, probably next week. It is in Lad Prao, is all I know.[/QUOTE]Didn't give them "taxi money"?
[QUOTE=Western787;1597942] In regard to P4 P IMHO each "entertainment" dollar in Bangkok buys you 5 to 10 times NYC equivalent ASSUMING IT EXISTS AT ALL in NYC, which it often doesn't. Sometimes it can be like you're in a dream when you're fortunate enough to run into some of the fresher less jaded girls, somethinggenerally next to impossible in the west.
For guys who only go to Bangkok once in awhile, NYC may not be that much different. But for high frequency Bangkok visitors, Bangkok is a different world.[/QUOTE]Hi Western,
I don't wish to quibble with you about buying power, and I'm clearly not an expert in Bangkok after just 4 nights, but comparing what I do in NYC to what I've seen in the gogo's in Soi Cowboy, the Bangkok entertainment dollar is thus far buying me roughly twice what I can buy in NYC. With respect to girls working in the west, or anywhere I imagine, it's YMMV. There are girls in NY for $200-$240 for the hour where both the physical and conversational aspects have been (and hopefully continue to be upon return) GFE and quite satisfying. You have to know where to look and spend a good bit of coin to figure it out, especially if you're going it alone as I have. But once you put together a decent rotation of providers, it's worth the journey.
As for your last sentence, I have no doubt you are correct, and that's why I'm on this site, and while it has accelerated my ability to navigate Bangkok, there is obviously still much to learn, and 7 nights is simply not enough time to learn it. But it won't stop my from trying!
Continuing from the last report. The mamasan's sister was a lot of fun the next morning, probably due to the fact that I was sober. Because of the sheer number of choices and only 7 nights, I probably won't repeat, but most definitely would repeat if she were based in NY. I found her to be fairly pretty, quite receptive and physically compatible. In fact, who am I kidding, I may text her later today.
Hit CH again last night looking for the girl that I was initially drawn to on night 2, and as luck would have it, she was there. After mingling with a number of others, I BF'd her and headed home. Her face to me is a combination of Issan and Japanese; very sexy eyes. She is 18 or 19, petite, natural breasts, no tattoos to speak of, and simply cute as can be. Before we started, I could tell that she was inexperienced and that intercourse was going to be a little bit of a challenge. But the eyes seek out what they seek out, and despite seeing a number of other girls that I am sure would have been able to go the extra mile, I had to go with what I wanted.
On one hand, DATY was very good and she was quite receptive, one the other hand, she asked for no kissing on the lips. BJ was condom only, and she simply doesn't have a lot of skill in that department. Sex was very standard, mish and doggie. She did not want to be on top, and was too simply petite for vigorous action, which I didn't insist on as it was apparent that size-wise it was a bit uncomfortable for her (more be / see of her than me I can assure you, although this has been a recurring theme). It was just the experience I expected, which is physically disappointing but visually glorious. Guess I'm a little bit sick like that, as I'd do it again in a second.
Incidentally, is anyone here familiar with #50 at CH? She is probably around 20, petite, fake Bs, firm ass with great shape, thin face, and a well-done tattoo covering perhaps 35% of her back. She had plenty of customers' attention last night. To me, she is stunning. The manager quoted 3500 for BF / ST.
Finding a beautiful, petite girl has been easy. Finding one that can fuck and suck like a champ has been a challenge. And the search continues.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1598000]Is there something going on this week? I tried to make some preliminary bookings and struck out 3 straight times at 3 different facilities; the girls' I asked for all on holiday that week? Or just coincidence.[/QUOTE]I like to be able to contact girls directly to find what is really happening. Shop may not really know when girl returns.
[QUOTE=ChiefNigel;1598084]Hi Western,
I don't wish to quibble with you about buying power, and I'm clearly not an expert in Bangkok after just 4 nights, but comparing what I do in NYC to what I've seen in the gogo's in Soi Cowboy, the Bangkok entertainment dollar is thus far buying me roughly twice what I can buy in NYC. With respect to girls working in the west, or anywhere I imagine, it's YMMV. There are girls in NY for $200-$240 for the hour where both the physical and conversational aspects have been (and hopefully continue to be upon return) GFE and quite satisfying. You have to know where to look and spend a good bit of coin to figure it out, especially if you're going it alone as I have. But once you put together a decent rotation of providers, it's worth the journey.
As for your last sentence, I have no doubt you are correct, and that's why I'm on this site, and while it has accelerated my ability to navigate Bangkok, there is obviously still much to learn, and 7 nights is simply not enough time to learn it. But it won't stop my from trying![/QUOTE]On a per transaction basis twice the value is fair. For example a Korean AMP girl in NYC probably cost on average twice as much as an Oil girl in Bangkok. My 5 to 10 times value reference is more focused on the overall P4P lifestyle, and what one one would have to spend in NYC to have the same P4 P lifestyle as many average blokes might have in Bangkok. In NYC as far as I know, there is nothing like even Bier Garden, where half the girls in there are asking you to take them out for 1500 baht as soon as you walk in. Nana Entertainment Plaza bills itself as the 'world's biggest adult playground. " but I think of the entire city of Bangkok that way, and despite a steady decline over the decades, Bangkok still is arguably the most prolific P4 P market in the world. IMHO its really about the "wild card' (unexpected) girl that you ocassionally run into in Bangkok vs the west where it never happens, whether in NYC or London of wherever, where lets say your kissing this very pretty, sweet and somewhat unjaded 19 year old for hours and she's even blushing and then you get this "I have a feeling (I'm) not in Kansas anymore" moment.. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=i%3bm+not+in+kansas+anymore&FORM=VIRE7#view=detail&mid=8BDCBE04F68179B1075E8BDCBE04F68179B1075E
While these things won't happen often, in Bangkok such things can and do happen now and then.
[QUOTE=TesterTester;1597929]I was in BKK last week. Just a few quick things.
1. went to Nana Plaza. Rainbow 4 girls are no longer topless. I think probably because of the tighter rules under the military. Also, the quantity and quality of girls was down compared to before. Rainbow 1 also had fewer girls. But the caveat is that I went quite late, around midnight.
2. before I went to Nana, the night before, two of my friends who are in the movie industry (minor actors) took me to some private club which only sees to be for Thais. There were no girls in the bar when we walked in, but my friends went into the back room and talked to some one and within a five minutes several very hot girls showed up and entertained me for a while. They apparently are actress wannabes. The two who sat with me were both about 168 cm tall with very pretty faces and great bodies. I didn't take any photos, but they did go back to my hotel with me. Yes both of them. Will spare the details because too tired to write.
It only cost me the price of 4 beers. I guess the girls know that I am friends with some of their people in the movie industry so they want to be my friend too. But I was told the girls do moonlight in the p4 p world. I think at some of the higher end soapies.
I have no idea what is the name of the bar we went to. I will find out next time I go, probably next week. It is in Lad Prao, is all I know.[/QUOTE]May I ask a question. What was the use of writing this report other than to brag about something. You could have elaborated on some of the details in the few minutes it took you to post.
[QUOTE=ChiefNigel;1598101]Incidentally, is anyone here familiar with #50 at CH? She is probably around 20, petite, fake Bs, firm ass with great shape, thin face, and a well-done tattoo covering perhaps 35% of her back. She had plenty of customers' attention last night. To me, she is stunning. The manager quoted 3500 for BF / ST.
Finding a beautiful, petite girl has been easy. Finding one that can fuck and suck like a champ has been a challenge. And the search continues.[/QUOTE]I have always said easy to find a beautiful hot girl, but hard to find a great fuck there. Plenty of mediocre girls and some dick scared ones that seize up. Better to BF at Suzi Wong, and even then choose carefully. E. g. Young mothers are often good fucks. Not too many mothers at CH, I guess, but some.
There are not that many silly cones at CH. The one girl I can remember with sillies and significant tats has straight black hair cut to just reach top of shoulder, acts very sexy indeed. May not be same girl since I don't remember the number and she looks late 20's to me, and not that petite by my standards. 20 YO just not possible, I think. Could it be you are not experienced with Thai girl ages? Or maybe I am very hard on her (if same girl)? Anyway the one I think of is not stunning to me in either face or body. Tastes differ a lot. Some girls with sillies can be nearly invisible to me, so I may well have the wrong girl.
It may be possible to get her for less unless in high demand.
I relation to price, the less time you spend with a girl, the less the value. If you wham bam a girl in 15 mins, it will be costly (for the time duration). If you do 90 min ST which is common for me, this will cost well under 35% of cost in home country and under 50% of East European girl costs. If take LT with a Thai girl the cost is many times less than a western country price.
Thai mongering really suits to guys who want to spend extended time with a girl. e.g. Taking a girl away for several days becomes a practical reality although was more prevalent 15 to 20 years ago. 20 years ago, it was much harder to get girls to go away, although even then, a Soapy girl I liked had several boyfriends.
[QUOTE=Custard;1597654]Prices at Rainbow 1 have been reduced by 500 across the board.
ST on premise-2 k.
2. St off premise 2500
3. LT 4500
4. Mojie got unsightly implants to go with her belly tatto.[/QUOTE]What happened, business down with the military coup & low season, not enough 444 types around? Is R4 discounted too, or is it 3 k ST there? I wonder if things will pick up with the visa free offering to China & Taiwan.
Didn't gogo prices recently go up to 2 k st? And before this "reducing" it was 3 k? So another increase of 50 pc from 2 to 3 K occured recently?
An extra 500 baht to walk across the street to Nana hotel seems excessive. Though perhaps there an extra fee for using a ST room on "premise"?
What are bar fines these days? I assume that's extra & not included in your price list. What about mandatory drinks purchases?
I have a counter offer. How about I pay 10 k st all in for take out. If it's not up to the standard of my regular NCP girls, then it's free. This is a great deal for me, with the 95 pc chance of not having to pay. Although a lousy deal in that it's almost guaranteed to ruin my day.
It seems that this post proves once again that even hotties will take a discount, eh.
[QUOTE=ChiefNigel;1598101]she asked for no kissing on the lips. BJ was condom only, and she simply doesn't have a lot of skill in that department. Sex was very standard, mish and doggie. She did not want to be on top, and was too simply petite for vigorous action, which I didn't insist on as it was apparent that size-wise it was a bit uncomfortable for her (more be / see of her than me I can assure you, although this has been a recurring theme). It was just the experience I expected, which is physically disappointing but visually glorious. Guess I'm a little bit sick like that, as I'd do it again in a second..[/QUOTE]Great reports! Sounds you are having fun. But, I honestly, if guys would just pre-negotiate and refuse to take gals who won't kiss and want CBJ, or if they would boot them out with 100 baht in their pockets, they would get the message. Gals only do what guys let them get away with.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1598278]Great reports! Sounds you are having fun. But, I honestly, if guys would just pre-negotiate and refuse to take gals who won't kiss and want CBJ, or if they would boot them out with 100 baht in their pockets, they would get the message. Gals only do what guys let them get away with.[/QUOTE]Sometimes they kiss okay And were intending to be good, then suddenly get an attack of the stiff legs, that I call seizing up. Nightmares about Anacondas no doubt?
Actually I would like an opinion here. I was trying to spread the legs of one girl enough to make for easy DATy and sex, and her legs seemed awfully stiff. Naturally I asked her to relax and let them go limp, like any "normal" girl. Obviously I have experienced hundreds of normal girls.
She claimed her legs were just that way, muscle toned, and that other guys had not complained about her having stiff legs. Maybe her legs were not stiff when faced with a small dick. LOL. I don't know what was causing it exactly she had been tongue kissing reasonably nicely although I recall her tongue was in slightly strange position (low).
So now my question. Is it possible for a girl to have spread resistant legs, naturally, I. E. With her muscles in a normal relaxed state for her body construction, such that it would make fucking more difficult and full penetration difficult? I really doubt it. I have to think her mind was clamping the legs. Maybe this is what most guys call starfish, but I call it seizing up or dick-scared.
I mean if a girl was quite inactive in sex, but cooperatively relaxed, it would not be a great problem to fuck her. I have a lot more problem with scared or stiff-legged girls that make fucking difficult. So I could not be a ****. It doesn't take a lot of effort for a girl to hinder me badly. The dick goes limp swiftly enough faced with such difficulties, and any sexy feelings also go quite quickly. It seems very easy to distinguish between a girl co-operating with the sex and presumably wanting the guy to want to repeat, and a girl who is dreading it.
Even a girl with no skills whatsoever, who can go with the flow, is possible to be O.K. for me if she has a hot sexy body.
Nigel,
Yes I am familiar with #50.
Her name is Hratea or something like that, it can even be seen on the back in her neck, which has indeed quite a tattoo.
I took her out on 14 Jan. 2014 the night of the well known BKK shutdown, so she had to stay for a super LT, cause first she could not get home.
I know from a service lady at CH she get a 2 or 3ST's almost every night, but not many repeat customers. And that I understand.
She sure not kiss and she will not suck like a champ, fucking her was good cause she is a real stunner, but do not expect a lot of expertise and experience.
3500ST incl barfine is a little to much, I remember that was my price for this LT. (take her out after 1 am sure) But yours and my miles may vary of course.
[QUOTE=ChiefNigel;1598101]Continuing from the last report. The mamasan's sister was a lot of fun the next morning, probably due to the fact that I was sober. Because of the sheer number of choices and only 7 nights, I probably won't repeat, but most definitely would repeat if she were based in NY. I found her to be fairly pretty, quite receptive and physically compatible. In fact, who am I kidding, I may text her later today.
Hit CH again last night looking for the girl that I was initially drawn to on night 2, and as luck would have it, she was there. After mingling with a number of others, I BF'd her and headed home. Her face to me is a combination of Issan and Japanese; very sexy eyes. She is 18 or 19, petite, natural breasts, no tattoos to speak of, and simply cute as can be. Before we started, I could tell that she was inexperienced and that intercourse was going to be a little bit of a challenge. But the eyes seek out what they seek out, and despite seeing a number of other girls that I am sure would have been able to go the extra mile, I had to go with what I wanted..\.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1598298]So now my question. Is it possible for a girl to have spread resistant legs, naturally, I. E. With her muscles in a normal relaxed state for her body construction, such that it would make fucking more difficult and full penetration difficult? I really doubt it. I have to think her mind was clamping the legs. Maybe this is what most guys call starfish, but I call it seizing up or dick-scared.[/QUOTE]While nothing is impossible and the catalogue of medical conditions is too long, I have never heard of that problem. Most of the women I have known (in the biblical sense) and especially those in the game, could fold their legs behind their ears and too few of them were 18 year old gymnasts.
It is probably as you say, subconscious seizing up which she mistakes for "muscle tone".
I have to agree it sounds like seizing up. Now this might be a great opportunity to come up with the new miracle cure. A pill that makes it seem smaller than what it really is. It could be advertised
with the catchy name Shrinky Dinky. Maybe use the line from TV. But wait If you buy now we will double the order, just pay shipping and handling. Side effect might include rapid heart beats, excessive hip movement, tendency to grab something and urge to put object in mouth. Likely to want to repeat several times in 8 hour
period. Sorry, just my of humor. What the hell is wrong with this posting platform???
[quote=chiefnigel;1598084]...the bangkok entertainment dollar is thus far buying me roughly twice what i can buy in nyc. with respect to girls working in the west, or anywhere i imagine, it's ymmv. there are girls in ny for $200-$240 for the hour where both the physical and conversational aspects have been (and hopefully continue to be upon return) gfe and quite satisfying.[/quote]you are comparing apples and oranges as go-go clubs are more expensive by definition. if you picked up a dancer in a higher end strip joint in nyc the sky would be the limit price wise.
a better comparison to a nyc korean would be a bkk oil massage shop. if you go one of the popular suk places like snow white / mango / cherry / tulip a pse session with a reasonable attractive young lady will cost you 1900 bht ($60) for one hour and 2300 bht ($72) for two hours. and a quickie bj off of craigslist nyc will set you back $80 - $100 where a visit to bkk [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s will cost you 800 bht ($25) so the punting prices in thailand are [i]much less[/i] no matter how you cut it.
sl.
[QUOTE=Western787;1598180]On a per transaction basis twice the value is fair. For example a Korean AMP girl in NYC probably cost on average twice as much as an Oil girl in Bangkok. My 5 to 10 times value reference is more focused on the overall P4P lifestyle, and what one one would have to spend in NYC to have the same P4 P lifestyle as many average blokes might have in Bangkok. In NYC as far as I know, there is nothing like even Bier Garden, where half the girls in there are asking you to take them out for 1500 baht as soon as you walk in. Nana Entertainment Plaza bills itself as the 'world's biggest adult playground. " but I think of the entire city of Bangkok that way, and despite a steady decline over the decades, Bangkok still is arguably the most prolific P4 P market in the world. IMHO its really about the "wild card' (unexpected) girl that you ocassionally run into in Bangkok vs the west where it never happens, whether in NYC or London of wherever, where lets say your kissing this very pretty, sweet and somewhat unjaded 19 year old for hours and she's even blushing and then you get this "I have a feeling (I'm) not in Kansas anymore" moment.. .[/QUOTE]Understood. I agree that the sheer variety alone sets Bangkok apart, and aside from the specific comparison of dollars spent on gogo's vs. Korean MPs, I can safely say after 5 nights of scientific data gathering that there is nothing remotely comparable to this in NY or anywhere else in the US as far as I know. It gets under your skin quickly.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1598226]I have always said easy to find a beautiful hot girl, but hard to find a great fuck there. Plenty of mediocre girls and some dick scared ones that seize up. Better to BF at Suzi Wong, and even then choose carefully. E. g. Young mothers are often good fucks. Not too many mothers at CH, I guess, but some.
There are not that many silly cones at CH. The one girl I can remember with sillies and significant tats has straight black hair cut to just reach top of shoulder, acts very sexy indeed. May not be same girl since I don't remember the number and she looks late 20's to me, and not that petite by my standards. 20 YO just not possible, I think. Could it be you are not experienced with Thai girl ages? Or maybe I am very hard on her (if same girl)? Anyway the one I think of is not stunning to me in either face or body. Tastes differ a lot. Some girls with sillies can be nearly invisible to me, so I may well have the wrong girl..[/QUOTE]Thank you for taking the time to reply. It very well may be that I'm not guessing her age accurately, and the lighting in CH certainly doesn't make it easy, but I'd be surprised if she was a day over 23. And of course you'll get no arguments from me that reasonable minds will differ on what constitutes a stunning girl, but to me she is one that would stand out in most places.
I'd much rather take my time with a girl as well, but the vibe has to be right, and the best eye candy hasn't come with the best vibes thus far. Unsurprisingly, I've had a much better time with ladies from places other than CH that weren't quite as beautiful in the past few nights.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1598278]Great reports! Sounds you are having fun. But, I honestly, if guys would just pre-negotiate and refuse to take gals who won't kiss and want CBJ, or if they would boot them out with 100 baht in their pockets, they would get the message. Gals only do what guys let them get away with.[/QUOTE]Thanks! Not a bad idea to be upfront and ensure that you're getting what you think you're paying for. In my case, while that probably could have made for a better experience, even if I knew that certain items weren't on the menu, I would have ST'd anyway because of her looks.
[QUOTE=Samui69;1598309]Nigel,
Yes I am familiar with #50.
Her name is Hratea or something like that, it can even be seen on the back in her neck, which has indeed quite a tattoo.
I took her out on 14 Jan. 2014 the night of the well known BKK shutdown, so she had to stay for a super LT, cause first she could not get home.
I know from a service lady at CH she get a 2 or 3ST's almost every night, but not many repeat customers. And that I understand.
She sure not kiss and she will not suck like a champ, fucking her was good cause she is a real stunner, but do not expect a lot of expertise and experience.
3500ST incl barfine is a little to much, I remember that was my price for this LT. (take her out after 1 am sure) But yours and my miles may vary of course.[/QUOTE]Thank you Samui, this is exactly the type of report I would have expected to write if I had taken her out. I suppose it comes down to what's more important when deciding whether to pull the trigger. As for the other girl, it was the right call for me to ST her despite the lack of performance because it will make for a very nice visual memory.
[quote=sunlover2;1598586]you are comparing apples and oranges as go-go clubs are more expensive by definition. if you picked up a dancer in a higher end strip joint in nyc the sky would be the limit price wise.
a better comparison to a nyc korean would be a bkk oil massage shop. if you go one of the popular suk places like snow white / mango / cherry / tulip a pse session with a reasonable attractive young lady will cost you 1900 bht ($60) for one hour and 2300 bht ($72) for two hours. and a quickie bj off of craigslist nyc will set you back $80 - $100 where a visit to bkk [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s will cost you 800 bht ($25) so the punting prices in thailand are [i]much less[/i] no matter how you cut it.
sl.[/quote]can't argue with you sl, those are all good points.
last night i met up with my new monger friends in cowboy after checking out mango and being relatively unimpressed with the lineup. one suggested that we hit club climax on soi 11, so we headed over around midnight. i'm sure this is very old news to many on this site, but one great thing about club climax is that in many ways it feels like a standard night club, but unlike most nights in the west where you'll go home with a lightened wallet and your dick in your hand, here you are virtually guaranteed to take home the girl of your choosing.
there was little sign of life as we approached the entrance, but when we went inside, i was surprised at how big and well attended it was. i'd venture around 200 people and was told that it's far more packed than that on the weekends. after a couple of laps around the place, i started dancing with a 22 yo spinner in a blue cocktail dress. her english was actually quite good as was the chemistry, and after a few rounds of drinks we decided to head out, agreeing on 2000 after she initially asked for 3000. my friend advised that 1500 is a reasonable price, and to never pay more than 2000.
this girl very different from the go-go busts of a few nights ago; much more playful and skilled. the first round was not that great because we were both intoxicated, but round 2 in the morning was a lot of fun. after, we lied in bed cuddling, joking and just enjoying the time. she gave me her number and asked that we meet again next week when i'm back, and i may do so. however, i'd also like to head back to the club and try another girl as my friend said his success rate with girls who are good in the sack is extremely high there. hopefully there won't be any issues if we bump into one another.
So 30 minutes before my gf (ok she's a prostitute) supposed to arrive to chat at my hotel she texts to say postponed for 3 hours.
I'm thinkin what can possibly interfere with a payday for a hooker? Then it dawned on me- a last minute bigger payday.
I'm so sad. Life in adult Disneyland-business as usual I guess.
P.S. I cancelled!
[QUOTE=Custard;1597654]Prices at Rainbow 1 have been reduced by 500 across the board.
ST on premise-2 k.
2. St off premise 2500
3. LT 4500
4 Mojie got unsightly implants to go with her belly tatto.[/QUOTE]Great. Those little Rainbow 1 girls are my favourite in Nana. What are the BF and ST room costs for a fuck on premises?
[QUOTE=ChiefNigel;1598690]She gave me her number and asked that we meet again next week when I'm back, and I may do so. However, I'd also like to head back to the club and try another girl as my friend said his success rate with girls who are good in the sack is extremely high there. Hopefully there won't be any issues if we bump into one another.[/QUOTE]Thai girls can be quite jealous. Not jealous in the Western, romantic sense of the word, but more in the economic sense of the word.
[QUOTE=ChiefNigel;1598676]Thank you for taking the time to reply. It very well may be that I'm not guessing her age accurately, and the lighting in CH certainly doesn't make it easy, but I'd be surprised if she was a day over 23. And of course you'll get no arguments from me that reasonable minds will differ on what constitutes a stunning girl, but to me she is one that would stand out in most places.
[/QUOTE]The older girl I was thinking of turned out to be #39, not your #50 (who I did not spot today). I think there was only one other with sillies there tonight Or maybe two. One wasn't nude and I did not catch the number.
I met a very hot girl there tonight who danced very nicely and kissed very nicely named May. She looks a lot like the famous why from Tulip but a fraction smaller in all dimensions, however still be cup. Unfortunately it was the start of her period so we had to postpone a fuck till another day.
May performed in the body painting show and performed a very sexy dance following that. She is clearly one of the best dancers there and has prior experience at Rawhide and Long Gun. Very nice curves.
[QUOTE=ChiefNigel;1598690]Can't argue with you SL, those are all good points.
Last night I met up with my new monger friends in Cowboy after checking out Mango and being relatively unimpressed with the lineup. One suggested that we hit Club Climax on Soi 11, so we headed over around midnight. I'm sure this is very old news to many on this site, but one great thing about Club Climax is that in many ways it feels like a standard night club, but unlike most nights in the west where you'll go home with a lightened wallet and your dick in your hand, here you are virtually guaranteed to take home the girl of your choosing.
There was little sign of life as we approached the entrance, but when we went inside, I was surprised at how big and well attended it was. I'd venture around 200 people and was told that it's far more packed than that on the weekends. After a couple of laps around the place, I started dancing with a 22 yo spinner in a blue cocktail dress. Her English was actually quite good as was the chemistry, and after a few rounds of drinks we decided to head out, agreeing on 2000 after she initially asked for 3000. My friend advised that 1500 is a reasonable price, and to never pay more than 2000.
This girl very different from the go-go busts of a few nights ago; much more playful and skilled. The first round was not that great because we were both intoxicated, but round 2 in the morning was a lot of fun. After, we lied in bed cuddling, joking and just enjoying the time. She gave me her number and asked that we meet again next week when I'm back, and I may do so. However, I'd also like to head back to the club and try another girl as my friend said his success rate with girls who are good in the sack is extremely high there. Hopefully there won't be any issues if we bump into one another.[/QUOTE]Nice. That's my preferred play to go to the discos. I don't score well with the gogo women for whatever reason in Thailand. I think most of them are geared for short times and most very professional. I seem to get way more GFE from the freelancers as such from the discos. Plus the setting allows one to get little more comfortable also. There is another disco on Soi 12 behind the diner there. I forget the name since it got changed. Think it was Insomnia before and someone else can probably help here with that. It starts with an "I" still I believe. The club starts out a bit later though in terms of volume of patrons compared to Climax.
[QUOTE=TesterTester;1597929]Two of my friends who are in the movie industry (minor actors) took me to some private club which only sees to be for Thais. There were no girls in the bar when we walked in, but my friends went into the back room and in five minutes several very hot girls showed up and entertained me for a while. They apparently are actress wannabes. Will spare the details because too tired to write. It only cost me the price of four beers. I guess the girls know that I am friends with some of their people in the movie industry so they want to be my friend too.[/QUOTE]Thanks to Mr. Tester for a very informative report.
His tale reminds me of the time when two of my friends who are minor royals took me to a private club, which is only known to Russian oligarchs, Formula One drivers (hey Fernando!) and heads of state. (Lemme me tell ya, Kim Jong Un is a laugh riot!) When we arrived the place was dead, but apparently the word soon got around that my friends were out on the town. In a matter of minutes we were joined by three princesses, four Hollywood leading ladies and half the Victoria's Secret models. (I looked for the Sports Illustrated swimsuit girls, but the doorman wouldn't let them in.) I don't feel like going into detail about what happened next. Too tired to write more this evening. Let's just say IT DIDN'T SUCK! And it only cost me the price of four beers. I guess the hotties were impressed I am friends with some minor royals. Lucky me. Wish I could write more.
Bunky.
[QUOTE=Custard;1598718]So 30 minutes before my gf (ok she's a prostitute) supposed to arrive to chat at my hotel she texts to say postponed for 3 hours.
I'm thinkin what can possibly interfere with a payday for a hooker? Then it dawned on me- a last minute bigger payday.
I'm so sad. Life in adult Disneyland-business as usual I guess.
P.S. I cancelled![/QUOTE]That has happened to me many times. As an old Thai hand once said, you never lose your girl just your turn.
In more recent history, though, I prefer not to make appointments, but go out on the street and see what's cookin. Much less chance of a postponement, cancellation, no show or 6 hours late girl that way.
[QUOTE=Bunky;1599063]Thanks to Mr. Tester for a very informative report.
His tale reminds me of the time when two of my friends who are minor royals took me to a private club, which is only known to Russian oligarchs, Formula One drivers (hey Fernando!) and heads of state. (Lemme me tell ya, Kim Jong Un is a laugh riot!) When we arrived the place was dead, but apparently the word soon got around that my friends were out on the town. In a matter of minutes we were joined by three princesses, four Hollywood leading ladies and half the Victoria's Secret models. (I looked for the Sports Illustrated swimsuit girls, but the doorman wouldn't let them in.) I don't feel like going into detail about what happened next. Too tired to write more this evening. Let's just say IT DIDN'T SUCK! And it only cost me the price of four beers. I guess the hotties were impressed I am friends with some minor royals. Lucky me. Wish I could write more.
Bunky.[/QUOTE]Well played, sir!
[quote=phordphan;1599131]well played, sir![/quote]and my thai ex-gf of 9 years ago looks very similar to star grace karnklao in the recent lakhorn (soap serial) peek mongkut (on the left of pic), but my ex's nose was not as good. lol big deal! but shows what looks i like.
the big star in the soap series, pancake (on right), is not my cup of tea at all.
[url]http://sugar-daily.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/pancake@peekmongkut.jpg[/url]
[QUOTE=KeyMaster;1598963] I forget the name since it got changed. Think it was Insomnia before and someone else can probably help here with that. It starts with an "I" still I believe. The club starts out a bit later though in terms of volume of patrons compared to Climax.[/QUOTE]Yes its now called Insanity, as you would have to be insane to like the "music" there. Its just monotonous thump thump squawk squawk stuff. Maybe this is what is called "house", I'm not sure. Annies #24 took me there once. I did not like it at all. My Climax experience was far more palatable music, although a few years back, perhaps more suited to an older age group. I like places where you get a good mix of new hits (actual songs) and old. At least the air was breathable.
Suzi Wong line up was poor on Thursday. Missing: Bo, Dtom, Knot, Em, Yao, Anne, and ND busy with a ST. Noi was present. So guys must be aware that when its only the top half dozen lookers that matters, the line up can be good one day, and shithouse another day, depending on which girls failed to show. There are just not enough stunners in most bars.
Nearly ready to give up on an overly thick line-up, however decided that Kwan (smoke) was very cute, almost a clone of long term Bo but much younger, slim with almost no tits but otherwise nice curves including cute ass (mandatory for me), cute fringe and nose.
Only a few months experience, and just 18 it seems. Took Noi (done plenty of times before but she is overweight these days. Used to have stunning ass) as well for double trouble. Anyway I don't know the number, but Kwan turned out to be very nice on the bed. Adequate BBBJ, very good screw, pussy tight but has good length.
Allowed fingers too. Nice kisser, does not smoke. Straight onto the repeat list. Very enjoyable and very good fun mood consistently. Her pussy is just perfect for me, more so than some other girls. No tits, just nipples? No worries. I am an ass, face and pussy man, chiefly. I get big tits on plenty of other occasions including a GF.
Noon continues to be absent so I don't get to check if she is really at all curvy or straight bodied with coconuts stuck on (for argument with Paul), however definitely of little interest to me, otherrwise. Not my type.
Cute face huge tits and dikes out on stage like a pro. Anyone be able to provide any reports or feedback on her?
[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1599356]Cute face huge tits and dikes out on stage like a pro. Anyone be able to provide any reports or feedback on her?[/QUOTE]Unfortunately I don't note girl numbers. If tall white skinned and Lara Croft like body, assisted D cups, could be Anne. Busy girl.
The at corner bar at end of cowboy is attached to the hamburger stand. They make very good burgers, definitely a cut above the burgers at Nana entrance for quality and taste. They have whatever sauces and peppers you might want to add.
I was a regular customer and usually take a mixed drink with my burger. Last time my mixed drink tastes like there is no alcohol, and the colour looks weak as well. I go up to the bar and ask for a stirrer. Stir the drink and re-taste. Now I can taste some alcohol, but its far weaker than usual. The owner is sitting there and points to the jigger small end and says I got a full shot. I suggest to him that he is pointing to the half a shot end of the jigger, and anyway my drink is far weaker than usual. Instead of having them make me a new one he is quite happy to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off a regular customer. I never complained about a drink before.
I may still buy a burger at the stand, but won't be drinking there any more. Some Thais (or is he a Chinese type) are really dumb, I feel.
[quote=syzygies;1599195]and my thai ex-gf of 9 years ago looks very similar to star grace karnklao in the recent lakhorn (soap serial) peek mongkut (on the left of pic), but my ex's nose was not as good. lol big deal! but shows what looks i like.
the big star in the soap series, pancake (on right), is not my cup of tea at all.
[url]http://sugar-daily.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/pancake@peekmongkut.jpg[/url][/quote]hmm, i dunno. i kinda like the one in the middle.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1599504]The at corner bar at end of cowboy is attached to the hamburger stand. They make very good burgers, definitely a cut above the burgers at Nana entrance for quality and taste. They have whatever sauces and peppers you might want to add.
I was a regular customer and usually take a mixed drink with my burger. Last time my mixed drink tastes like there is no alcohol, and the colour looks weak as well. I go up to the bar and ask for a stirrer. Stir the drink and re-taste. Now I can taste some alcohol, but its far weaker than usual. The owner is sitting there and points to the jigger small end and says I got a full shot. I suggest to him that he is pointing to the half a shot end of the jigger, and anyway my drink is far weaker than usual. Instead of having them make me a new one he is quite happy to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off a regular customer. I never complained about a drink before.
I may still buy a burger at the stand, but won't be drinking there any more. Some Thais (or is he a Chinese type) are really dumb, I feel.[/QUOTE]Yep, have similar experiences at many restaurants and bars. No concessions to good customers. That being said most of those experiences are in the tourist zones. Once you get out of the Lower Suk Ghetto, things are much better as far as service.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1599590]Yep, have similar experiences at many restaurants and bars. No concessions to good customers. That being said most of those experiences are in the tourist zones. Once you get out of the Lower Suk Ghetto, things are much better as far as service.[/QUOTE]Yes. Traditionally there has been no need of good service because if you don't like it another farang will be by shortly who won't complain.
Life tends to be much different outside of the farang ghetto.
Let me tell you the unpleasant truth, white boy. The single most important thing you have to know about living among Thais is this: they don't like you. Yeah, I know, they wai you like crazy, and they salute you every time you walk through a door, and they shout out that you're a handsome man when you're just walking down the street. It's all pretty pleasant, I admit, sort of like standing in a warm shower all day long. The problem, of course, is eventually you start believing that bullshit and think you've found the one place on earth where your true worth as a human being has finally been recognized. Don't be stupid. Regardless of how deferentially Thais may act toward you, they truly don't like you, not even a little bit. Worse, all their phony groveling has probably caused you to forget who you really are. So here's the thing to remember: no matter how much they fawn over you, you're still just the same hopeless schmuck you were back in Fresno or Stuttgart or Birmingham. Keep that in mind, and you'll probably get by okay.
Jake Needham.
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This really makes a lot of sense. We are just customers!
[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1599356]Cute face huge tits and dikes out on stage like a pro. Anyone be able to provide any reports or feedback on her?[/QUOTE]Called in at Suzi Wong last night. Unfortunately did not spot #40 who could have been BFed already. E. g. Most stunning figure tall Anne with Dees was already dressed. She had a female customer. Possibly as a result of performing in the Lesbo show. Could not check her number. Line up was slightly better than Thursday but still not at its best. Saw also Dtom, Knot, Kwan, all quite fuckable and the very.
Hot ND just arriving at 11:30 PM (probably after ST). The pussy smokes cigarette show came on, and I was shocked to see the 18 YO Kwan performing. Kwan means smoke, Ha Ha! I watch only beautiful erotic shows, not this type. Expected older girls to do this show. I don't even really like the beer showering show. Beer is for drinking.
Paul's Noon still absent, may return tonight according to rumours.
At Crazy House, they used up Nos. 1 to 100, so have recently restarted with 001,002, etc. I did not see a 007 yet though.
The new No. 4 (not 004) was very hot and pretty but I only spotted her when leaving. I was drinking with May who does the body paint show. Very sexy girl (looks like similar to a young sister of a famous former Tulip star). So right now have the hots for No. 4, Nat, May and the waitress Noi. Quite a dilemma. I suppose have to knock them off one at a time. Nat with perfect body including big tits already done (dream girl). I am trying to stick to only extremely hot girls right now, but can't really tell how hot the waitress is with clothes on, and not really exactly my spec. I know she likes to go to Spicy sometimes, so this seems to indicate she is probably up for it.
Bargirls still can do LT on occasion for good money. Was nice to wake up next a super sleek toned naked girl, and put the "morning glory" to fairly immediate use before breakfast, so it had no chance to go limp first. No vitamin pill boost needed with such a hot girl. Save that for fucking ugly or ordinary looking girls. LOL. Super face and body is a big extra turn on for me, and wake up is the time to be rock hard already, before any extra stimulation. Fortunate since there is no time to take a pill and wait for it have effect. Its great this bargirl knows that having woken, she should be molesting my dick immediately. We start up sex at 7 AM, so we time for that and Breakfast before she has to go for a birthday party at 9 AM. She was good enough to explain last night that she can go LT as long as can leave by 9 AM. So we left SW bar before midnight so as would have time for sex and sleeping.
She was refusing another customer who wanted LT, because she had never yet been with him, and did not know what to expect. Many bargirls prefer to try a new customer with ST first till get to know his character and weird traits or issues. Known nice guys who are paying fairly for the time given and considering girl's popularity and earning power, are always preferred. Another customer, who is apparently a fairly quick ST also missed out as arrived too late after I had already BFed the girl.
I think another body slide called for today in Soi 7/1. However hopefully catch up with old buddy T1234, first.
Looks like Dollhouse is trying to ramp up its business again. Sign was advertising for mamasans, gogo dancers, Coyote dancers, serving staff, everything, with reasonably good monthly pay for the dancers. However it can be misleading, as staff loose quite a bit of money in fines for not showing up, arriving late, every little thing. For the very best bargirls, the monthly pay counts for nothing, and they may loose it entirely in fines, but then make money only from drink commissions and going with customers.
Hi everyone.
Being a bit careful, wondering if anyone knows where I can get a girl tested (I know the risk period is not eliminated) so I can relax a bit more whilst enjoying a BBBJCIM when I wake up? I tend to take girls for a few days if they are hot, kiss and good technique fondling the family jewels. That reminds me of another idea.
I'd love to get together with some interesting and educated folks here, take a bunch of girls, chefs, tasty food and drink, and get a island (or luxury rainforest retreat) where no clothes are permitted for the girls. A week of pure hedonism.
This is a double barrel question, PM me if the second bit sounds interesting.
How easy is it to find a young virgin in Thailand?
[QUOTE=Fuddzie;1600235]How easy is it to find a young virgin in Thailand?[/QUOTE]If you don't speak Thai and travel outside cities, impossible!
[quote=fuddzie;1600235]how easy is it to find a young virgin in thailand?[/quote]its against forum rules to be enquiring about **** girls and to recommend where to find them.
[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1599356]Cute face huge tits and dikes out on stage like a pro. Anyone be able to provide any reports or feedback on her?[/QUOTE]The line up at Suzi today (Sunday) was vastly superior to previous days. I spotted #40. She is a very nice newish girl I believe and her name is Mint. Cute face, tits not big at all, just medium, and I did not see her "diking out". I haven't tried her as yet. Too many of my regulars were there.
Paul's Noon #82 finally showed up. Waist to thigh ratio looks like 0. 8 or above and a fair bit of extra flesh on the hips. Flattish ass cheeks and not much gap between thighs but skinny lower legs. The reason I don't see her as an hourglass figure is the distance from navel to spine is significant, much more than on the slim girls, making Noon a "thick" one and has a broad face. So not my type at all but some other guys are going for her, probably mesmerised by the sillies.
Anne with the best hourglass, seems to be about 36-26-36. She has put on just a touch of flab but still less than Noon. I checked the waist with some hand spans. I got to play with her big soft enhanced Ds today.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1600291]
Paul's Noon #82 finally showed up.
The reason I don't see her as an hourglass figure is the distance from navel to spine is significant[/QUOTE]Navel to spine? Are you trying to say you think she has a thick waist? If you are, I would tend to agree. I would generally describe her as short and stocky.
In one of my posts I mentioned she had more of a natural pear shaped figure with implants, which create the hour-glass look.
I believe what you are calling skinny legs I though of as toned. I was going primarily by the shape of the calves and hamstring muscle development. I would also describe her legs as very short.
An hour-glass figure is defined by symmetry between the hips and bust. If she's not an hour-glass, then what is she? There are three other body types, pear, apple and banana. Do any of these better describe her figure? I think not.
Not that any of this matters. I initially hesitated to reply because I think this topic has been beat to death.
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;1599989]Hi everyone.
Being a bit careful, wondering if anyone knows where I can get a girl tested (I know the risk period is not eliminated) so I can relax a bit more whilst enjoying a BBBJCIM when I wake up? I tend to take girls for a few days if they are hot, kiss and good technique fondling the family jewels. That reminds me of another idea.
I'd love to get together with some interesting and educated folks here, take a bunch of girls, chefs, tasty food and drink, and get a island (or luxury rainforest retreat) where no clothes are permitted for the girls. A week of pure hedonism.
This is a double barrel question, PM me if the second bit sounds interesting.[/QUOTE]I would say find a non bar girl. For BBBJ you need to worry more about herpes rather than HIV. Herpes is wide spread in Thailand. Just look at many of the bar girls lips and it say it all.
[quote=syzygies;1600280]its against forum rules to be enquiring about **** girls and to recommend where to find them.[/quote]but aren't there any 18 year-old or older virgins left in thailand? at least one or two?
[QUOTE=Bigstud;1600514]But aren't there any 18 year-old or older virgins left in Thailand? At least one or two?[/QUOTE]Yes but he asked for very young ones, and you won't get in the pants of older virgins too easily.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1600332]Navel to spine? Are you trying to say you think she has a thick waist? If you are, I would tend to agree. I would generally describe her as short and stocky.
[/QUOTE]Yes that's it. Thick, Stocky, weighs a lot more than some other girls same height.
Not a natural pear shape at all. More the apple, although all these concepts are exaggerated. I don't mind some of the more pear shaped girls with small tits, if overall on the slim side. Slim Pear would describe Bo, Knot, Kwan and Dtom, I guess, due to very small waists but significantly larger Thigh.
Last night the best two bodies, ND and Anne, both dancing together making impossible to look elsewhere, were knocking me back for sex. Asking for a rain check. They were probably both sexed out with too many bookings, and maybe happy to take a 10 min pop type customer only. Anne likes to go with me only when she is horny, and if not, will honestly say she doesn't feel like it tonight, even though its good money.
Fortunately Knot and Noi were both very horny and hot for it. Had to leave out Dtom, as did not have the energy to do three. Knot has a pussy that just feels incredible for me. Her ass is good and face is good enough. I forgive the small tits.
There were quite a few other acceptably good looking girls that I did not get introduced to yet. Seems strange how the line up fluctuates a lot, and is quite bad some days, and greatly improved last night.
[quote=tomsf;1600420]i would say find a non bar girl. for bbbj you need to worry more about herpes rather than hiv. herpes is wide speed in thailand. just look at many of the bar girls lips and it say it all.[/quote]by saying that the girls' lips tell it all, means you are talking about herpes type 1 (type 2 infections generally show sores around the genitals and rectum, not the mouth or lips).
in fact the rate for type 1 herpes is higher in the usa than thailand (58% and 51% respectively).
[QUOTE=Fuddzie;1600235]How easy is it to find a young virgin in Thailand?[/QUOTE]I have 72 virgins in my stable.
[quote=fuddzie;1600235]how easy is it to find a young virgin in thailand?[/quote]if you're serious, supposedly they can be found in the soapies that cater to thai men. according to the stories **** virgins are available in these establishments, but they are very expensive. the girl's virginity is being sold to settle a family debt. this may be true; it may not be true. "young" girls who are not virgins do cost as much as the "penthouse" models in these establishments. i saw several of these "young" girls at a soapy on my most recent trip. the poor girls looked scared. i have no idea if they were or if they're taught to act that way to entice men with certain tastes.
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;1599989]Hi everyone.
Being a bit careful, wondering if anyone knows where I can get a girl tested (I know the risk period is not eliminated) so I can relax a bit more whilst enjoying a BBBJCIM when I wake up? I tend to take girls for a few days if they are hot, kiss and good technique fondling the family jewels. That reminds me of another idea.
I'd love to get together with some interesting and educated folks here, take a bunch of girls, chefs, tasty food and drink, and get a island (or luxury rainforest retreat) where no clothes are permitted for the girls. A week of pure hedonism.
This is a double barrel question, PM me if the second bit sounds interesting.[/QUOTE]This hobby carries risks. Condoms will not protect you from herpes and warts. BBBJ has some risk as well. If you are trying to stay squeaky clean, working girls might not be the path that you want to take. For most of us, it is well worth the risk.
[QUOTE=Fuddzie;1600235]How easy is it to find a young virgin in Thailand?[/QUOTE]I assume virgins are available for a price, everything is available in Thailand for a price, but virgins are not promoted in any well established "Farang" type Sukhumvit establishments I am aware of and you should be very wary of a con and / or having sex with a minor. You will have to ask around and take what you can find. I do not recommend it.
On the other hand, virgins are readily available in AC bars. They are called cherry girls and they wear ID badges to indicate their status. They are expensive and not worth the money IMHO. One time when I was in Emotions Bar on Perimeter Road, I unknowingly asked a cherry girl over and bought her a drink. I should have looked more carefully at her ID badge. We had a very heavy make out session in a booth to the side of the dance stage. I asked her if she wanted to go to my hotel room and that's when she informed me she was a cherry girl. I was very disappointed that I was not going to boom boom this attractive and sexy girl. Another time I was barhopping with my girl and we stopped off at Pony Tails bar for a nightcap. I noticed a very pretty Chinese looking Filipina standing by the pool table and my girl asked her over. She too was a Cherry girl. I bought her a drink to be friendly and the three of us played pool.
If you are really interested in virgins you will want to visit AC, Philippines. Expect to pay 20 x to 30 x times the normal EWR (early work release = the bafine + the girls fee) of regular girls in the particular bar you are in and do not expect very good sex. I would much rather be a cherry girl's 10th customer than her 1st customer.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1600550]Yes but he asked for very young ones, and you won't get in the pants of older virgins too easily.[/QUOTE]Unless I'm missing something, his post refers to "young virgins," not "[B]very[/B] young virgins. ".
[QUOTE=Custard;1599951]Let me tell you the unpleasant truth, white boy. The single most important thing you have to know about living among Thais is this: they don't like you. Yeah, I know, they wai you like crazy, and they salute you every time you walk through a door, and they shout out that you're a handsome man when you're just walking down the street. It's all pretty pleasant, I admit, sort of like standing in a warm shower all day long. The problem, of course, is eventually you start believing that bullshit and think you've found the one place on earth where your true worth as a human being has finally been recognized. Don't be stupid. Regardless of how deferentially Thais may act toward you, they truly don't like you, not even a little bit. Worse, all their phony groveling has probably caused you to forget who you really are. So here's the thing to remember: no matter how much they fawn over you, you're still just the same hopeless schmuck you were back in Fresno or Stuttgart or Birmingham. Keep that in mind, and you'll probably get by okay.
Jake Needham.
Author.
This really makes a lot of sense. We are just customers![/QUOTE]"A cynic is a man who knows the price of everything, and the value of nothing. ".
― Oscar Wilde.
While a customer will always be a customer, being a boring miserable creep is only an option. Treat them well, respect them, and you will often be surprised at their response.
[quote=tomsf;1600420]i would say find a non bar girl. for bbbj you need to worry more about herpes rather than hiv. herpes is wide speed in thailand. just look at many of the bar girls lips and it say it all.[/quote]do you think i'll have a problem requesting to see if a girl has rectal herpes or warts before barfining?
[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1600820]Unless I'm missing something, his post refers to "young virgins," not "[B]very[/B] young virgins. ".[/QUOTE]The plain meaning of the term (whether meant here or not) has a certain connotation.
[QUOTE=Bigstud;1600514]But aren't there any 18 year-old or older virgins left in Thailand? At least one or two?[/QUOTE] Both tend to hang at Thermae near the popcorn machine,, but seem to prefer Japanese guys.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1600712]This hobby carries risks. Condoms will not protect you from herpes and warts. BBBJ has some risk as well. If you are trying to stay squeaky clean, working girls might not be the path that you want to take. For most of us, it is well worth the risk.[/QUOTE]
Herpes 1 and 2 are basically "diseases" created by Big Pharma in the early 1980's. They were always present and for the most part a minor nuisance, but (MSM supported) hysteria was ginned up when the AIDS epidemic didn't expand by 1982 into the hetero (non IV drug using) general population as the MSM ominously predicted
"50-80% of the world's population has HSV-1 or oral herpes. Because areas of third world countries are so underdeveloped and tend to be crowded, 100% of the children who live there become infected with the virus by age five. In the United States, many of the 100 million people who have HSV-1 acquired the virus during childhood as well. Also in the United States, 1 in 5 adults have HSV-2 or genital herpes. At least 45 million people ages 12 and older have had a genital infection caused by HSV-1 or HSV-2 in their lifetime. ". [URL]http://www.hellolife.net/herpes/b/how-common-is-herpes-simplex/[/URL]
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=time+magazine+cover+on+herpes&id=6ABC6588D7F7162E420CF8C56E5A556773D1532A&FORM=IQFRBA#view=detail&id=6ABC6588D7F7162E420CF8C56E5A556773D1532A&selectedIndex=0\\
Time Magazine's hysterical cover story Aug 2, 1982 http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=time+magazine+cover+on+herpes&id=6ABC6588D7F7162E420CF8C56E5A556773D1532A&FORM=IQFRBA#view=detail&id=6ABC6588D7F7162E420CF8C56E5A556773D1532A&selectedIndex=0
Semi-serious question here, lads: does anyone know ways to get into the porn industry here? I don't mean the homemade iPhone stuff, but real porn with a wee bit of production value. The stuff is out there (bukkake with Thai girls and farand men, etc), so there has to be a way.
However, I suppose anyone with the answer to my question will probably keep it to themself!
[QUOTE=Western787;1600961]Herpes 1 and 2 are basically "diseases" created by Big Pharma in the early 1980's. They were always present and for the most part a minor nuisance, but (MSM supported) hysteria was ginned up when the AIDS epidemic didn't expand by 1982 into the hetero (non IV drug using) general population as the MSM ominously predicted
"50-80% of the world's population has HSV-1 or oral herpes. Because areas of third world countries are so underdeveloped and tend to be crowded, 100% of the children who live there become infected with the virus by age five. In the United States, many of the 100 million people who have HSV-1 acquired the virus during childhood as well. Also in the United States, 1 in 5 adults have HSV-2 or genital herpes. At least 45 million people ages 12 and older have had a genital infection caused by HSV-1 or HSV-2 in their lifetime. ". [URL]http://www.hellolife.net/herpes/b/how-common-is-herpes-simplex/[/URL]
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=time+magazine+cover+on+herpes&id=6ABC6588D7F7162E420CF8C56E5A556773D1532A&FORM=IQFRBA#view=detail&id=6ABC6588D7F7162E420CF8C56E5A556773D1532A&selectedIndex=0\\
Time Magazine's hysterical cover story Aug 2, 1982 http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=time+magazine+cover+on+herpes&id=6ABC6588D7F7162E420CF8C56E5A556773D1532A&FORM=IQFRBA#view=detail&id=6ABC6588D7F7162E420CF8C56E5A556773D1532A&selectedIndex=0[/QUOTE]The problem with HSV-2 is open lesions make an easy path for HIV. Other than that, you are correct; it is simply an inconvenience.
I was in Bangkok over the weekend.
Nana Plaza seems to be returning to normal. More girls in the bars and also Rainbow 4 is now once again topless on the left side stage.
I went to Baccara at Soi Cowboy for the first time. Indeed it seems to be Japanese town in terms of customers. Place is totally dominated by Japanese customers for some reason. On the first floor, I didn't detect any more manmade boobs than other bars. But maybe I need to wear glasses.
Took a tour of the soapies on Ratchadapisek too. Nothing new there as far as offerings. Seems like they are doing good business at night time.
My local friends took me to a disco on Ratchadapisek. Sorry, I forgot the name because a bit too much to drink and they were driving so I didn't really pay attention. There were a ton of China tourists inside and it was like a Thai disco you see in Singapore with the coyote dancers and singers on the stage. They were singing mandarin songs I guess because of all of the China customers. A few of the singers were actually really hot looking ladyboys. I could only tell they were lady boys because my local friends know them and told me they are lady boys. Otherwise you couldn't tell.
They have shower shows at this disco similar to what you see in Patpong or some Nana gogo bars, with the exception that the 4 girls in the shower show are verifiable model type of girls. I could have sworn they were lady boys but one of my local guides took me by the arm and had me squeeze the shower show girl's boobs. They were 100% soft and 100% real with the natural sag you have in real boobs compared to manmade. I was really really surprised because otherwise I would have said the girl was way too hot, to tall and too free spirited to be a normal girl. My local friend, who is herself a hot local girl who used to work at Terminal 21 reception when she was younger, maybe 3 years ago, then proceeded to french kiss the shower girl to my surprise. I was thinking, "wow. I didn't my friends were into that kind of action. ".
Later she told me she knows the shower girl from when they used to play together on a volleyball team in Thailand. I can just imagine what used to go on in the locker room.
I am going back next week. Will try to remember the name of the disco. It was really big and near Fortune Town, on the opposite side of Ratchadapisek road behind a car dealership of some sort.
Sorry I don't have better details.
Bangkok is still good. Haha.
[QUOTE=Biffduff;1601055]Semi-serious question here, lads: does anyone know ways to get into the porn industry here? I don't mean the homemade iPhone stuff, but real porn with a wee bit of production value. The stuff is out there (bukkake with Thai girls and farand men, etc), so there has to be a way.
However, I suppose anyone with the answer to my question will probably keep it to themself![/QUOTE]I assume most of the (semi) professional porn stuff is made outside of Thailand as -strangely enough- porn is forbiddden in Thailand.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1600761]I assume virgins are available for a price, everything is available in Thailand for a price, but virgins are not promoted in any well established "Farang" type Sukhumvit establishments I am aware of and you should be very wary of a con and / or having sex with a minor. You will have to ask around and take what you can find. I do not recommend it.
On the other hand, virgins are readily available in AC bars. They are called cherry girls and they wear ID badges to indicate their status. They are expensive and not worth the money IMHO. One time when I was in Emotions Bar on Perimeter Road, I unknowingly asked a cherry girl over and bought her a drink. I should have looked more carefully at her ID badge. We had a very heavy make out session in a booth to the side of the dance stage. I asked her if she wanted to go to my hotel room and that's when she informed me she was a cherry girl. I was very disappointed that I was not going to boom boom this attractive and sexy girl. Another time I was barhopping with my girl and we stopped off at Pony Tails bar for a nightcap. I noticed a very pretty Chinese looking Filipina standing by the pool table and my girl asked her over. She too was a Cherry girl. I bought her a drink to be friendly and the three of us played pool.
If you are really interested in virgins you will want to visit AC, Philippines. Expect to pay 20 x to 30 x times the normal EWR (early work release = the bafine + the girls fee) of regular girls in the particular bar you are in and do not expect very good sex. I would much rather be a cherry girl's 10th customer than her 1st customer.[/QUOTE]I believe you can EWR them for the normal price but of course you can't penetrate the vagina. Wouldn't a night of licking a virgin pussy be great? And so cheap if all you pay is the EWR.
[QUOTE=Western787;1600950]The plain meaning of the term (whether meant here or not) has a certain connotation.[/QUOTE]Well, he did not use the term "very young virgins" so it is unfair to say he did (particularly given the sensitivity of the term and the fact you admit he may not have meant that).
[QUOTE==*****man;1601296]I believe you can EWR them for the normal price but of course you can't penetrate the vagina. Wouldn't a night of licking a virgin pussy be great? And so cheap if all you pay is the EWR.[/QUOTE]Yes you are right, you can EWR them at the regular rate as long as they trust you, but if you break your word, management will break your neck.
I am not with you, however, on how great the night would be. OK, if the cherry girl were really pretty and I really liked her, I can see how taking her out and showing her a good time might be a real smart long term play. But spending all night with a cherry girl, passionately making out with her, licking her "virgin pussy", and then having to settle for just a hand job or at best a BBBJ does not sound like a good time to me. Like I said before and it is just my opinion, I would rather be with a cherry girl ex post facto and be her 10th barfine than her first. Young fillies can get pretty wild after they have been broken in right. I have seen the metamorphosis.
We should take this discussion over to the AC thread where many informed board members can offer their insights and opinons. This subject just might get them off the sandals debate that has been going on over there for the past couple of weeks. LOL.
[quote=syzygies;1600280]its against forum rules to be enquiring about **** girls and to recommend where to find them.[/quote]never mentioned nor inquired about **** people. don't go that route.
[quote=fuddzie;1601440]never mentioned nor inquired about **** people. don't go that route.[/quote]ok so you want a 20 year old virgin who is willing to fuck you. ha ha! these type of girls probably go for 80000 baht or higher, depending on beauty. usually offered to rich asian business men. availability of the right age could be a serious problem.
ask at nataree.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1601485]These type of girls probably go for 80000 Baht or higher, depending on beauty. Usually offered to rich Asian business men.
Ask at Nataree.[/QUOTE]Looking on the bright side, at least after that her hymen will still be intact.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1601485]OK So you want A 20 year old Virgin who is willing to fuck you. Ha Ha! These type of girls probably go for 80000 Baht or higher, depending on beauty. Usually offered to rich Asian business men. Availability of the right age could be a serious problem.
Ask at Nataree.[/QUOTE]You will get a virgin at Nataree all right. You will be the first punter of the day to pay 80 K for her virgin services that day. Japanese pay 100 K.
[QUOTE=Custard;1599951]Let me tell you the unpleasant truth, white boy. The single most important thing you have to know about living among Thais is this: they don't like you. Yeah, I know, they wai you like crazy, and they salute you every time you walk through a door, and they shout out that you're a handsome man when you're just walking down the street. It's all pretty pleasant, I admit, sort of like standing in a warm shower all day long. The problem, of course, is eventually you start believing that bullshit and think you've found the one place on earth where your true worth as a human being has finally been recognized. Don't be stupid. Regardless of how deferentially Thais may act toward you, they truly don't like you, not even a little bit. Worse, all their phony groveling has probably caused you to forget who you really are. So here's the thing to remember: no matter how much they fawn over you, you're still just the same hopeless schmuck you were back in Fresno or Stuttgart or Birmingham. Keep that in mind, and you'll probably get by okay.
Jake Needham.
Author.
This really makes a lot of sense. We are just customers![/QUOTE]Absolutely true!
No reason to spread the ugly truth, however. Let some of the guys live out their fantasies. Life is too short!
[QUOTE=Western787;1600955] Both tend to hang at Thermae near the popcorn machine ,,but seem to prefer Japanese guys.[/QUOTE]Is that because their small, semi hard penises cannot break their hymen?
during my last stay in bkk this july i visited the new bj bar between soi 8 and soi 6 (sukh.).
they had about 10 girls sitting outside. they look to my feeling better than their colleagues from [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s near by.
i selected a relatively tall and slim young (early twenties) lady and went with her inside. you must go one floor up since they do not offer the "public service" as we know it from sol.
the curtain separated areas of action offer sufficient space around the sofa, and a sink with cool and warm waters gives some basic hygenic equipment.
my lady started on her knees a perfect bj, no biting, no rep001ching teeth. i really enjoyed.
she also offered fs but demanded condom. since i hate rubber coats i tried to convince her and finally she gave in.
the juicy and still narrow pussy was a real pleasure. really a highlight for that day.
recommend that place for perfect bj to all of you.
fv.
[QUOTE=FlyingVisitor;1602958]During my last stay in BKK this July I visited the new BJ bar............................She also offered FS but demanded condom. Since I hate rubber coats I tried to convince her and finally she gave in.
Recommend that place for perfect BJ to all of you.
FV.[/QUOTE]Thank you very much, for being so considerate to spreading STDs for the benefit of fellow mongerers. Please tell us who you did, so that the rest of the sane mongers can AVOID her.
[quote=flyingvisitor;1602958]during my last stay in bkk this july i visited the new bj bar between soi 8 and soi 6 (sukh.).
they had about 10 girls sitting outside. they look to my feeling better than their colleagues from [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s near by.
i selected a relatively tall and slim young (early twenties) lady and went with her inside. you must go one floor up since they do not offer the "public service" as we know it from sol.
the curtain separated areas of action offer sufficient space around the sofa, and a sink with cool and warm waters gives some basic hygenic equipment.
my lady started on her knees a perfect bj, no biting, no rep001ching teeth. i really enjoyed.
she also offered fs but demanded condom. since i hate rubber coats i tried to convince her and finally she gave in.
the juicy and still narrow pussy was a real pleasure. really a highlight for that day.
recommend that place for perfect bj to all of you.
fv.[/quote]what's the name of the bj bar (if you remember)?
just to clarify, did you convince the girl to provide fs without a condom i. e. did you go bareback? very risky!
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1602992]Thank you very much, for being so considerate to spreading STDs for the benefit of fellow mongerers. Please tell us who you did, so that the rest of the sane mongers can AVOID her.[/QUOTE]+1. Darn it. I like them tall and slim. I'll have to avoid that girl.
Oh goody! Here comes the safe sex debate. At least this will be better than the sky is falling or price war debate. Hey Custard, feel free to join in, would love to read your views on this.
If you think that most of the girls don't do a random bareback and one member's frank comment about doing BBFS changes things, then you are all deluding yourself. Mongering is a risky business, and most people know what they are doing without having to be judged by others.
[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1603055]If you think that most of the girls don't do a random bareback and one member's frank comment about doing BBFS changes things, then you are all deluding yourself. Mongering is a risky business, and most people know what they are doing without having to be judged by others.[/QUOTE]I agree with you. However I feel sorry for the "tall and slim lady" of BJ, she certainly lost some potential customers. Hopefully she did not get something that she can pass to customers not reading this forum.
[QUOTE=RunMann;1603052]Oh goody! Here comes the safe sex debate. At least this will be better than the sky is falling or price war debate. Hey Custard, feel free to join in, would love to read your views on this.[/QUOTE]I'd be curious, why is it when someone here starts talking about bareback there comes out of the wall preacher like sermons warning against it. And for the most part rightly so IMHO.
But where is the same indignation when DATY gets raved about?
I would think the male in both cases has the same chances of contracting something.
I'the really like some "facts" about this, not just opinions based on preferences.
[QUOTE=Custard;1599951]Let me tell you the unpleasant truth, white boy. The single most important thing you have to know about living among Thais is this: they don't like you. Yeah, I know, they wai you like crazy, and they salute you every time you walk through a door, and they shout out that you're a handsome man when you're just walking down the street. It's all pretty pleasant, I admit, sort of like standing in a warm shower all day long. The problem, of course, is eventually you start believing that bullshit and think you've found the one place on earth where your true worth as a human being has finally been recognized. Don't be stupid. Regardless of how deferentially Thais may act toward you, they truly don't like you, not even a little bit. Worse, all their phony groveling has probably caused you to forget who you really are. So here's the thing to remember: no matter how much they fawn over you, you're still just the same hopeless schmuck you were back in Fresno or Stuttgart or Birmingham. Keep that in mind, and you'll probably get by okay.
Jake Needham.
Author.
This really makes a lot of sense. We are just customers![/QUOTE]It may make sense in BKK or Phuket, but get out into the real Thailand, red shirt territory and you'll find it is not all that way.
[QUOTE=Bangala;1603119]I agree with you. However I feel sorry for the "tall and slim lady" of BJ, she certainly lost some potential customers. .[/QUOTE]Maybe, but she will also gain a sizeable amount of customers who are just like the OP who want her and girls just like her.
[QUOTE=TConor;1603142]It may make sense in BKK or Phuket, but get out into the real Thailand, red shirt territory and you'll find it is not all that way.[/QUOTE]Nope just a quote and spot on. My friends who live in other SE Asian and East Asian nations all have local male friends. Good friends as well. In Thailand I just don't know Western guys who have really close male Thai friends. One exception being Thais that spent the majority of their lives in the West and returned. And those Thais even feel a bit alienated from the Thai males here.
It is not just a function of language. There are different things at play here.
I would agree that when you get beyond the Farang Ghetto of Lower Suk in BKK and away from the beach areas it changes. People are far more "friendly. " Do they "like" us? Perhaps a bit more. But most Thais (particularly the men) feel that the are superior to foreigners. One needs look no father than the laws regarding foreigners and immigration policies. The women are a bit better, but many of them hold the same attitude.
I do like half this island!
[QUOTE=TConor;1603140]I'd be curious, why is it when someone here starts talking about bareback there comes out of the wall preacher like sermons warning against it. And for the most part rightly so IMHO.
But where is the same indignation when DATY gets raved about?
I would think the male in both cases has the same chances of contracting something.
I'the really like some "facts" about this, not just opinions based on preferences.[/QUOTE]Conquerer Val is spot on. It is a risky hobby. Even with "protection" you are at risk for herpes and warts. Monger enough and you will contract something. You just have to ask yourself; Is it worth it? If the answer is no, then you have the wrong hobby. If the answer is yes, then be mentally prepared to have some "issues" at some point.
If a friend told me he enjoyed driving local freeways at 100 mph, I would strongly urge him not to. You may call it preaching or passing judgement, I don't. I think it is stupid. When I read a recent post here about bareback intercourse, I indicated I would avoid his girl. You may call it preaching or passing judgement, I don't. I think it is stupid.
I understand some here like BBFS. I guess they can do whatever they choose. Unfortunately their actions can harm other innocent, smarter people.
And daty is less risky than BBFS to those that didn't know this.
[QUOTE=Allover;1603172]If a friend told me he enjoyed driving local freeways at 100 mph, I would strongly urge him not to. You may call it preaching or passing judgement, I don't. I think it is stupid. When I read a recent post here about bareback intercourse, I indicated I would avoid his girl. You may call it preaching or passing judgement, I don't. I think it is stupid.
I understand some here like BBFS. I guess they can do whatever they choose. Unfortunately their actions can harm other innocent, smarter people.
And daty is less risky than BBFS to those that didn't know this.[/QUOTE]I understand your argument that bareback sex can be dangerous for the monger engaging in it, but what I don't understand is how his risky behavior will affect the next monger, such as yourself, for example, if you use protection? Isn't that the purpose for using a condom; to protect yourself against any STD's the girl might have contracted from other mongers? Why should you worry about or become disgusted by what other mongers are doing and the risks they are taking as long as you continue to use protection?
It's dangerous for the girl, too. Personally I like BBBJ or daty. Not smart behavior but I take my chances sometimes. I would prefer not to do it with an infected girl. I understand the joys of BBFS but I choose not to do it in Thailand. At the end of the day it is "up to you" whether or not to use a condom. I hope most will make the intelligent choice.
Since there is another forum for this topic I won't hijack this thread any more than I already have.
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[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1603163]Nope just a quote and spot on. My friends who live in other SE Asian and East Asian nations all have local male friends. Good friends as well. In Thailand I just don't know Western guys who have really close male Thai friends. One exception being Thais that spent the majority of their lives in the West and returned. And those Thais even feel a bit alienated from the Thai males here.
It is not just a function of language. There are different things at play here.
I would agree that when you get beyond the Farang Ghetto of Lower Suk in BKK and away from the beach areas it changes. People are far more "friendly. " Do they "like" us? Perhaps a bit more. But most Thais (particularly the men) feel that the are superior to foreigners. One needs look no father than the laws regarding foreigners and immigration policies. The women are a bit better, but many of them hold the same attitude.
I do like half this island![/QUOTE]I think they know that the way the drive compared to us is just the tip of the iceberg.
[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1602994]What's the name of the BJ Bar (if you remember)?
Just to clarify, did you convince the girl to provide FS without a condom I. E. Did you go bareback? Very risky![/QUOTE]From the location I assume he's referring to Kasalong.
[QUOTE=TConor;1603140]I'd be curious, why is it when someone here starts talking about bareback there comes out of the wall preacher like sermons warning against it. And for the most part rightly so IMHO.
But where is the same indignation when DATY gets raved about?
I would think the male in both cases has the same chances of contracting something.
I'the really like some "facts" about this, not just opinions based on preferences.[/QUOTE]Preachers are not appreciated on the forum, in fact I seem to recall their maybe some rules forbidding it. We don't religious nuts coming on this forum.
If you read widely (you can't expect facts on a forum), I believe you will realise that DATY is actually not terribly dangerous even if things like Chlamydia are caught incredibly easily. HIV was never caught from DATY. Most people who will get Herpes have it already. BBBJ is reported to be significantly more risky than DATY, but still far less risky than BBFS, however may not be advisable for girl to swallow. Not sure if stomach acid kills everything immediately.
When you consider it, kissing a girl can transmit diseases or even more so just breathing the air the girl breathed out or visa versa. The only way to minimise risks is have no contact with humans at all.
What I will say is this. I know of a Thai girl, who was best friend of a girl I liked over 20 years ago, who has been working as a hooker for over 20 years and now has HIV+ or AIDS (I did not actually see her condition - was her friend who told me) . I expect she has been doing BBFS with Thais for many years. I think it catches up with all the girls eventually. Guys catch it less easily and may get lucky (or may not). I expect she got it from a guy as don't believe she injects. She does have a Thai BF/pimp. Was a very cute pretty Thai girl in her hey-day.
[QUOTE=TConor;1603254]I think they know that the way the drive compared to us is just the tip of the iceberg.[/QUOTE]That passive aggressiveness really comes out behind the wheel.
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1603207]I understand your argument that bareback sex can be dangerous for the monger engaging in it, but what I don't understand is how his risky behavior will affect the next monger, such as yourself, for example, if you use protection? [/QUOTE]Are working girls not people, and worth some human consideration? Paying them for sex does not entitle you to pass them an incurable disease such as HIV, wittingly or not. Yes, they may agree to your BBFS request, but you could get reckless people in need of money to agree to all sorts of stuff.
As for the next monger, he's 2-degrees separated, but even with a condom, mongering in an environment where 10% providers are HIV+ is 10 x more dangerous than one where 1% are HIV+. Moreover, you might snag another barebacker, which isn't a good thing either.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1603331]Are working girls not people, and worth some human consideration? Paying them for sex does not entitle you to pass them an incurable disease such as HIV, wittingly or not. Yes, they may agree to your BBFS request, but you could get reckless people in need of money to agree to all sorts of stuff.
As for the next monger, he's 2-degrees separated, but even with a condom, mongering in an environment where 10% providers are HIV+ is 10 x more dangerous than one where 1% are HIV+. Moreover, you might snag another barebacker, which isn't a good thing either.[/QUOTE]I don't believe I implied that working girls aren't people worth human consideration. As for me, I strictly limit my BB sex to BJ's. I've never asked a girl for BBFS so don't point your finger at me.
The point of my post was that if a monger uses protection it doesn't really matter much whether the guy who went before did it bareback. The girl's Thai boyfriends don't wear condoms. You can't change that reality. No amount of bitching and nagging on this forum is going to prevent bareback sex. The only practical things a monger can do to avoid STD's is to abstain altogether or use a condom, which in the vast majority of situations will protect him from being a victim of the risky behavior of the barebacker who proceeded him. Worrying about what other mongers do is a total waste of time.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1603331]Are working girls not people, and worth some human consideration? Paying them for sex does not entitle you to pass them an incurable disease such as HIV, wittingly or not. Yes, they may agree to your BBFS request, but you could get reckless people in need of money to agree to all sorts of stuff.............[/QUOTE]That's exactly what riled me. The woman demanded condom but she was persuaded most likely because of her economically weaker position. Certainly not out of goodness of her heart. And then the audacity of boasting about it as if it was a good thing. Thanks Croc for recognizing my position.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1603331]Are working girls not people, and worth some human consideration? Paying them for sex does not entitle you to pass them an incurable disease such as HIV, wittingly or not. Yes, they may agree to your BBFS request, but you could get reckless people in need of money to agree to all sorts of stuff.
[/QUOTE]Daddy07 asks a question of purely logical nature, failing to see the logic in someone else's rant. Your reply is emotional and unrelated to his text that you quote. Daddy07's text that you quote is not advocating anything. Its just a question.
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1603388]That's exactly what riled me. The woman demanded condom but she was persuaded most likely because of her economically weaker position. Certainly not out of goodness of her heart. And then the audacity of boasting about it as if it was a good thing. Thanks Croc for recognizing my position.[/QUOTE]Dude, you are getting all Lacan and Foucault on us here. She was persuaded because she was persuaded. It was her choice to let him "skin it. " He did not force himself on her. She also made the choice to go into the biz. So please, let's not start with the poor pity prostitute tale.
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1603207]I understand your argument that bareback sex can be dangerous for the monger engaging in it, but what I don't understand is how his risky behavior will affect the next monger, such as yourself, for example, if you use protection? Isn't that the purpose for using a condom; to protect yourself against any STD's the girl might have contracted from other mongers? Why should you worry about or become disgusted by what other mongers are doing and the risks they are taking as long as you continue to use protection?[/QUOTE]If your girl is more likely to have HIV or other STI because she allows babebacking with customers, then you are more likely to get such from her than if she practiced safer sex. Your protection is fallible. When it fails or you fail to use it properly, then you too are having bareback sex with her. Which exposes you to what she has done with her other customers & picked up from them.
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1603388]The woman demanded condom but she was persuaded most likely because of her economically weaker position. [/QUOTE]Most likely? No, that's the only reason. To make cold cash, period. Why else would she be there? Certainly not "out of the goodness of her heart", hornyness, boredom or any humanitarian concern. Same for him – he's buying what he wants not giving to the March of Dimes.
The system is working as it should.
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1603388]And then the audacity of boasting about it as if it was a good thing. That's exactly what riled me.[/QUOTE]Audacious boasting? I think not. This is a sex board and BBFS is sex. Maybe not safe sex but its sex. If you're riled then perhaps E-Harmony is a better fit since you rarely post anything about sex anyway.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIliB436370[/URL]
Self explanatory. Compare that to some saggy, argumentative she-man from the USA.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1603541]If your girl is more likely to have HIV or other STI because she allows babebacking with customers, then you are more likely to get such from her than if she practiced safer sex. Your protection is fallible. When it fails or you fail to use it properly, then you too are having bareback sex with her. Which exposes you to what she has done with her other customers & picked up from them.[/QUOTE]So you think that bitching and whining on this forum about guys, including Thai boyfriends, who go bareback with the girls you fuck using protection is going to help to reduce your risk? Fat chance of that.
Of course, there are risks associated with shagging hookers whether one uses protection or not. Hell, you face the same risks fucking your wife or girlfriend even if you use a condom. That's life.
[QUOTE=Roginho;1603253]I don't think that having FS without condom is something to be proud of and telling everyone here. It's an unfair situation anyway. A lot of girls there aren't intelligent enough, don't know enough about HIV and other sexually transmissible diseases. You exploit shamelessly that situation only because you have a psychological problem with condoms. You are too lazy to confront that problem. You put yourself, other guys and women in danger. You should know better and not pretend that it's okay and make them believe that it's okay. You've got a responsibility. It's wrong and selfish to believe only because you pay for sex that you can command. It would be a cheap excuse to answer that she could have said no.[/QUOTE]For sure your English is much better then mines and I fully agree and support your message!
" Forum Members wishing to criticize other Members for not following what they consider to be safe sex procedures may do so only in the Safe Sex Thread. Members may not comment upon, criticize or confront other members on this subject in the general discussion threads"'
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1603408] She was persuaded because she was persuaded. It was her choice to let him "skin it. " He did not force himself on her. She also made the choice to go into the biz. So please, let's not start with the poor pity prostitute tale.[/QUOTE]How 'about a little pity tale for the poor, old things that can't get it up, in, and over with in a condom.
[QUOTE=Roginho;1603253]I don't think that having FS without condom is something to be proud of and telling everyone here. It's an unfair situation anyway. A lot of girls there aren't intelligent enough, don't know enough about HIV and other sexually transmissible diseases. You exploit shamelessly that situation only because you have a psychological problem with condoms. You are too lazy to confront that problem. You put yourself, other guys and women in danger. You should know better and not pretend that it's okay and make them believe that it's okay. You've got a responsibility. It's wrong and selfish to believe only because you pay for sex that you can command. It would be a cheap excuse to answer that she could have said no.[/QUOTE]I don't agree with you. In my experience the majority of the girls say no when I'm asking them for BBFS. I've never counted them but I would say that something like 90% says no. And usually they say NO in a resolute way. No discussion! And they are often making remarks that they are scared and that it's too dangerous. Some of them even start to preach me.
This is 2014. Eg. internet and social media have spread the word by now and the majority of the girls know damn well what the risks are. Still some of them say yes to BBFS. And I'm not commanding them or trying to persuade them. Just like me they are simply willing to take the risk. Or maybe just like me they know the risk is not that high as most people think. The safe sex discussion is based on fear and not on facts most of the time (talking about a psychological problem!).
It is quite easy for a man to infect a woman with HIV. All he has to do is squirt his cum or even his pre-cum in her pussy. But... this man has to be infected by somebody else in the first place.
Women are not squirting anything into a man usually so it's not easy for them to infect a man with HIV (this is a fact!). It's much more likely that a man gets infected by another man in a homosexual encounter or by a dirty needle when he's an intravenous drug user.
How many homosexual (or bisexual) men or intravenous drug users will there be out there amongst us mongerers? OK, maybe quite a substantial number of bisexual men but even if they would infect the working girls then it is still unlikely that these working girls pass it on to other men (as already explained above).
But how about other STD's like gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes etcetera you might ask? Well yes, I admit that the risks of spreading these are high when you're barebacking. Personally I've only been infected 2 times with gonorrhea / chlamydia in 10 years of heavy mongering but I suppose that doesn't make me a good benchmark, LOL.
But hey, before AIDS emerged in the late seventies / early eighties the whole world was barebacking and didn't care much about STD's. They were just part of life.
AIDS has made a lot of people terrified for ALL STD's and suddenly barebacking was 'not done' anymore. That is understandable but again it's based on fear and not on facts.
[QUOTE=Western787;1603699]" Forum Members wishing to criticize other Members for not following what they consider to be safe sex procedures may do so only in the Safe Sex Thread. Members may not comment upon, criticize or confront other members on this subject in the general discussion threads"'[/QUOTE]Thank you for pointing this out!! BBFS is definitely a divisive issue, and I hope the preachy backlash against barebacking will not dissuade other members from providing detailed reports, which are far too few in this forum.
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1603644]So you think that bitching and whining on this forum about guys, including Thai boyfriends, who go bareback with the girls you fuck using protection is going to help to reduce your risk? Fat chance of that.
Of course, there are risks associated with shagging hookers whether one uses protection or not. Hell, you face the same risks fucking your wife or girlfriend even if you use a condom. That's life.[/QUOTE]Rather than what you mention I prefer to disseminate info, knowledge, facts, advice & what people do with them is up to the forces that control them.
I'm more of the sentiment that it's all good, that fate will determine your life & destiny, and all's well as everything will end well.
If people didn't post junk then we'd never hear or learn half of the useful stuff we do via those who respond to it. So, again, it's all good.
As an aside has anyone been to Mixx club in Bangkok & seen girls like these:
[URL]https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10299081_707094049352742_671235265568778562_n.jpg[/URL]
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1603862]As an aside has anyone been to Mixx club in Bangkok & seen girls like these:
[URL]https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10299081_707094049352742_671235265568778562_n.jpg[/URL][/QUOTE]Not all gals at Mixx are P4 P. I would doubt those are.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1604057]Not all gals at Mixx are P4 P. I would doubt those are.[/QUOTE]I was wondering about that. Some guy posted the pic url under the heading "Russian hookers", although he followed it up by saying "I would take the one on the left home in a heartbeat. If she is working, she will quote you 7000 Baht. "
[URL]https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?481510-Sex-Tourism-Ideas/page4[/URL]
Personally I'd go for the one on the right. With her mouth open she looks like she'd be into oral delights.
I like the one on the right here too, even though the left girl has a preferable skin colour:
[URL]https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t1.0-9/1907357_725839014144912_959348512389486251_n.jpg[/URL]
"The one in the red is probably a working girl".
[QUOTE=FlyingVisitor;1602958]During my last stay in BKK this July I visited the new BJ bar between soi 8 and soi 6 (Sukh.).
She also offered FS but demanded condom. Since I hate rubber coats I tried to convince her and finally she gave in.
The juicy and still narrow pussy was a real pleasure. Really a highlight for that day.
FV.[/QUOTE]Sorry, but this ain't the truth. I have been a friend of Oil (the owner of Kasalong) for many a year and she runs a good business with Kasalong. None of the girls here will do or have ever done BBFS with any customer. I know the "tall and skinny" girl who he is referring too and Oil has told me herself, that this girl did not, I repeat DID NOT have BB.
Normally I let these jokers say their peace and leave it like that. But saying what he did, just scaremongers customers away. Its not clever and I am really surprised Jackson has allowed this to run.
Kasalong is a good, clean place with good ladies working there. Yes they are clean and have a regular check up's and because of this nonsense post of FlyingVisitor, all the ladies have been told to go and get a HIV check up NOW. So a BIG thanks to FV, you have cost a lot of ladies a financial cost.
I had been rebellious since childhood.
Everyone said don't go to Rajah, crap quality and no performance but unfortunately I read one good review and I had to try.
Anyway I take it as a positive experience.
I learned it's good to listen to senior folks sometimes after 30 years of rebelling.
Generally I prefer slim figure and attractive face over skin tone, boobs (or silicon). Rajah hotel had ladies from all over ex-USSR (Kazak, Kyrgiz, Uzbek) except Russia and few latinas. Didn't find any good looking among supposedly Russians.
So picked one Latina.
Slim and slightly above average looks but better than rest of the lot.
(Why I had to pick one is long story).
Angela from Colombia.
Spanish lessons came in handy but everything was a bit robotic.
I got the feeling that she was trying to rush.
Probably victim of trafficking, got those vibes and I was put off initially.
Few seconds of DFK and she wanted boom boom, no foreplay at all (My married friends wish their wife could learn thing or two from her).
Couldn't come inside her so she had to do BBBJ cause her time limit was approaching.
I guess once you had taste of thai girls then Rajah would be complete waste of money.
She gave me her number but never got time to call her back, next day morning had a flight back home.
Damage: 2600+tip.
I saw lot of Asian, Indian men taking girls twice their size. I was in lift with 5 feet guy with physique of teenager taking 6+ Uzbek with very big silicon tits. That would be some unique experience he might be after.
Performance, looks are not great. Never again.
[QUOTE=Fuddzie;1600235]How easy is it to find a young virgin in Thailand?[/QUOTE]Here you go: [URL]http://www.godsofthailand.com/virgin-in-thailand/[/URL].
[QUOTE=Lotus303;1604136]Sorry, but this ain't the truth. I have been a friend of Oil (the owner of Kasalong) for many a year and she runs a good business with Kasalong. None of the girls here will do or have ever done BBFS with any customer. I know the "tall and skinny" girl who he is referring too and Oil has told me herself, that this girl did not, I repeat DID NOT have BB.
Normally I let these jokers say their peace and leave it like that. But saying what he did, just scaremongers customers away. Its not clever and I am really surprised Jackson has allowed this to run.
Kasalong is a good, clean place with good ladies working there. Yes they are clean and have a regular check up's and because of this nonsense post of FlyingVisitor, all the ladies have been told to go and get a HIV check up NOW. So a BIG thanks to FV, you have cost a lot of ladies a financial cost.[/QUOTE]"No one knows what goes on behind closed doors. ".
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1604067]I was wondering about that. Some guy posted the pic url under the heading "Russian hookers", although he followed it up by saying "I would take the one on the left home in a heartbeat. If she is working, she will quote you 7000 Baht. "
[URL]https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?481510-Sex-Tourism-Ideas/page4[/URL]
Personally I'd go for the one on the right. With her mouth open she looks like she'd be into oral delights.
I like the one on the right here too, even though the left girl has a preferable skin colour:
[URL]https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t1.0-9/1907357_725839014144912_959348512389486251_n.jpg[/URL]
"The one in the red is probably a working girl".[/QUOTE]They also have "models nights" and "ladies nights" where women drink free. Those tall white gals could easily be young models here seeking to find "fame" in Asia since they can't cut it at home. Lots of those types of gals here. Probably easy to woo with some cash as most don't have much money. You see plenty of them with older wealthy white and Asian dudes. Regular P4 P? Probably not. But hey, they are damn good looking. If they provided PSEs then I would probably shell out 7 k for 2 hrs of no holes barred fun.
[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;1604424]
I guess once you had taste of thai girls then Rajah would be complete waste of money.
She gave me her number but never got time to call her back, next day morning had a flight back home.
Damage: 2600+tip.
I saw lot of Asian, Indian men taking girls twice their size. I was in lift with 5 feet guy with physique of teenager taking 6+ Uzbek with very big silicon tits. That would be some unique experience he might be after.
Performance, looks are not great. Never again.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. I have always stopped myself going into Rajah based entirely on negative reviews here and elsewhere. This review is helpful as well and I am glad that I avoided the girls at Rajah. Overpriced and the service is not commensurate with the price.
[QUOTE=Lotus303;1604136]Sorry, but this ain't the truth. I have been a friend of Oil (the owner of Kasalong) for many a year and she runs a good business with Kasalong. None of the girls here will do or have ever done BBFS with any customer. I know the "tall and skinny" girl who he is referring too and Oil has told me herself, that this girl did not, I repeat DID NOT have BB.
Normally I let these jokers say their peace and leave it like that. But saying what he did, just scaremongers customers away. Its not clever and I am really surprised Jackson has allowed this to run.
Kasalong is a good, clean place with good ladies working there. Yes they are clean and have a regular check up's and because of this nonsense post of FlyingVisitor, all the ladies have been told to go and get a HIV check up NOW. So a BIG thanks to FV, you have cost a lot of ladies a financial cost.[/QUOTE]If none of the girls will do or has ever done BBFS with any customer then why the HIV check?
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1604589]If none of the girls will do or has ever done BBFS with any customer then why the HIV check?[/QUOTE]I guess public perception is everything for any business, which is why an establishment faced with an alleged "controversy" of this nature is only trying to do some damage control.
[QUOTE=Lotus303;1604136]Sorry, but this ain't the truth. I have been a friend of Oil (the owner of Kasalong) for many a year and she runs a good business with Kasalong. None of the girls here will do or have ever done BBFS with any customer. I know the "tall and skinny" girl who he is referring too and Oil has told me herself, that this girl did not, I repeat DID NOT have BB.
Normally I let these jokers say their peace and leave it like that. But saying what he did, just scaremongers customers away. Its not clever and I am really surprised Jackson has allowed this to run.
Kasalong is a good, clean place with good ladies working there. Yes they are clean and have a regular check up's and because of this nonsense post of FlyingVisitor, all the ladies have been told to go and get a HIV check up NOW. So a BIG thanks to FV, you have cost a lot of ladies a financial cost.[/QUOTE]Setting aside the fact that you sound like a crusader and a naive one at that, the OP report is a lot more believable than yours. You are in no position to make declarative statements about what the girls will do or have done. As someone who frequents BJ bars, BBFS, while not the norm, is not hard to get. But what did you expect the girl to tell you when you questioned her about providing BBFS to a customer? Yes, I did it, of course she is going to say no. The OP is not the first one to report this kind of stuff. Outside of SOL, BJ bars are clean and the girls do get regular check ups but in no way does that mean BBFS is not provided.
Also if the OP's report is false why the need for immediate HIV check up?
[QUOTE=RunMann;1604630]Setting aside the fact that you sound like a crusader and a naive one at that, the OP report is a lot more believable than yours. You are in no position to make declarative statements about what the girls will do or have done. As someone who frequents BJ bars, BBFS, while not the norm, is not hard to get. But what did you expect the girl to tell you when you questioned her about providing BBFS to a customer? Yes, I did it, of course she is going to say no. The OP is not the first one to report this kind of stuff. Outside of SOL, BJ bars are clean and the girls do get regular check ups but in no way does that mean BBFS is not provided.
Also if the OP's report is false why the need for immediate HIV check up?[/QUOTE]Precaution! Looking after the business! Making sure you clientele don't get infected!
Take your pick. Watch for me riding my white horse and thrusting my sword at a BJ bar near you!
I was messaging in Line over the last days with a 27 years old girl, who works as Marketing Manager, around the Asoke intersection and lives somewhere outside of Bangkok.
In March / April / May we meet several times and she liked getting sucked and pleased.
After we had fucked she claimed on that time that I was too big and that it hurting her.
Since that time always when we met it was pleasurable but we never did the deed again.
Yesterday around 8 PM she send me a message that the Van that she normally takes from Asoke to here living area was not moving for more then one hour.
She said she had try several friends but nobody gave home and she was looking for a place to stay overnight.
As being a gentleman I offered her my bed which she accepted.
At around 10 PM she came to my place after she first buy herself a new dress (today I saw the payment slip of 700 THB) because she didn't want to show up the next day in the same clothing's on here work.
First we had a lot of talking as we didn't see for around 2,5 months but when it was bed time around 11, after we had shower separately, we watched TV in bed while the cuddling time came in. For more then 1,5 hours kissing, touching, rubbing and finger play in both holes.
She said she would never do anal because I was too big but she liked it when I would fuck her now (and gentle).
She got it and too it as a trooper!
This morning (6 AM) god knows who wake whom again cuddling and specially my thumb went into here bump / ars.
It was sorry that I didn't had lube but finally she god my thumb for around 30 minutes full in her backdoor and she licked it.
She complimented me with this experience and said she would try with a dildo next time.
At 7:15 she left after a quick shower in her new clothes to start work.
Hopefully the traffic is soon bad again and she knocks again on my door.
You guys understand; no pictures from here to show and also no money involved. It's the payoff of a list of girls who look sometimes for the unusual.
All folks,
I'm new to this site but feels like home as after reading several forums and reports looks like I did bit of own learning (mix of good and bad though). I am a single, young sales guy who travels to main mongering destinations in apac once in a month atleast. Bangkok is one of it. Tasted almost all starting from soapies near huai kwang, lilies near prom phong last not but not least soi cowboy. I am basically interested in 3 holes so oiles are my best bet. Mainly Snow White (Fa, Kae, Tar and apple) all are awesome never satisfies with 2 or 3 shots. I had tried threesomes once in Mango with wan and are (don't remember the name) where no condom swapping just raw fucking with same condom and both taste other persons ass as we'll. Sounds fun, feels great.
There is a new girl in (famous 3 some club) last month 27 ish 3 holder who advertises her through craigslist privately. Damn, I get a chance to spend a night with her, and she is bloody awesome and a squirtedr.
I am traveling this weekend from 8-12th Aug. I will post my FR's as we'll. Got a lead from terminal 21 working girl, crazy of me promised to bring her friend as well. Can't wait to fuck their brains out.
Meanwhile, I am pretty much interested to explore other gems from the places which were not known well for all. Like any hair salons, spa, etc. You can message me in my inbox if needed.
Also, would like to meet like minded brothers and get to know each other and interesting references as we'll. Hope I won't walk alone. Let me know if anyone available for a cupPa. Happy mongering lads!
Cheers
[QUOTE=Lotus303;1604674]Precaution! Looking after the business! Making sure you clientele don't get infected!
Take your pick. [/QUOTE]My pick is that you're a fraudulent busy body who is not capable of getting his story straight, a total amateur.
[QUOTE=Somewhere15;1604701] she didn't want to show up the next day in the same clothing ( at her work.)
[/QUOTE]Believe me, nobody will even notice it at the Bier Garten.
ZINGGGGGGGGGGGG!
Good one.
[QUOTE=Western787;1604988]Believe me, nobody will even notice it at the Bier Garten.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Western787;1604988]Believe me, nobody will even notice it at the Bier Garten.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear that you still need to visit these locations and off course pay.
[QUOTE=Somewhere15;1605108]Sorry to hear that you still need to visit these locations and off course pay.[/QUOTE]Well you can stick to your world class Terminal 21stunners, but i appreciate Beer Garden which sometimes can be terrible but other times amazing, but is always great entertainment at virtually no cost. No doormen-pimps saluting you but very pleasant overall with good music.The simplicity of it all is its greatest virtue.Being down to earth can be very attractive in a woman and sometimes can turn a somewhat nominally average girl into a cute girl imho
[QUOTE=Western787;1605243]Well you can stick to your world class Terminal 21stunners, but i appreciate Beer Garden which sometimes can be terrible but other times amazing, but is always great entertainment at virtually no cost. No doormen-pimps saluting you but very pleasant overall with good music.The simplicity of it all is its greatest virtue.Being down to earth can be very attractive in a woman and sometimes can turn a somewhat nominally average girl into a cute girl imho[/QUOTE]I'm in total agreement. Biergarden has come through for me many times. Including those odd days when theres no alcohol and the lights are out in Nana and Cowboy.
It can truly be a wasteland on ocassions and other times, every girl has potential.
The best, no they will never go to Biergarden, but what the Biergarden has is girls with a sense of humour, who are fun to be with and who understand why they are there. Not some princess who is working the compensated dating programme but pretending she's not.
I have always enjoyed the Biergarden. It's one of the few places where you can sit with a lady, but her a drink and chat, and she doesn't keep trying to get you to buy her more drinks. Though it seems more these days the ladies are much more interested in a quick short time and a bit tougher to find a LT there. But still enjoy the place a lot, very laid back.
[QUOTE=Somewhere15;1604701]
It was sorry that I didn't had lube but finally she god my thumb for around 30 minutes full in her backdoor and she licked it.
[/QUOTE]Its wise not to embellish the story too much. Makes it look like you are talking bullshit.
[QUOTE=Lotus303;1604136]Sorry, but this ain't the truth. I have been a friend of Oil (the owner of Kasalong) for many a year and she runs a good business with Kasalong. None of the girls here will do or have ever done BBFS with any customer. I know the "tall and skinny" girl who he is referring too and Oil has told me herself, that this girl did not, I repeat DID NOT have BB.
Normally I let these jokers say their peace and leave it like that. But saying what he did, just scaremongers customers away. Its not clever and I am really surprised Jackson has allowed this to run.
Kasalong is a good, clean place with good ladies working there. Yes they are clean and have a regular check up's and because of this nonsense post of FlyingVisitor, all the ladies have been told to go and get a HIV check up NOW. So a BIG thanks to FV, you have cost a lot of ladies a financial cost.[/QUOTE]What is the point of all this talk. I have posted about this kind of mongering experience and if you look at hot Shane he posts hundreds of photos bare backing the girls. I could go on and on listing members who BB. The point is that many Thai girls will offer this service but will in no way promote it or admit to it. Each situation is different. Money usually outweighs most inhibitions a girl will have. You have no right coming on here and lecturing people about safe sex. This is a board to talk about experiences mongering in Thailand. Jackson has set up a safe sex thread for this discussion so I suggest you use it. You can even copy and paste this thread in there and comment on it. For those of you who like to BB you can get it at almost every oily, soapy, BJ bar, beer garden, ago go, and disco in Bangkok and Pattaya. I have even gotten it at Nataree and Poseiden. My last amazing experience was with number 55 at Nataree. Huge natural tits and a great ass with a white complexion. She looked like a Japanese porn star. Condom was not even mentioned. It was laying beside us on the bed but after a long 20 minute daddy session where I had her screaming with ecstasy I slipped it right in BB and off we went to heaven baby!
Met this Surin cute at Mandarin bar in Nana plaza. She was a great fuck. She took this Selphie in my room and sent me the photo. She really knows how to fuck and loves it BB. Thrusting her pelvis and hips right back at me like no tomorrow made it wild and passionate. After three or four meetings in and out out Mandarin she says she loves me and wants to stop work. Asks me to meet her family. I play along with the scam LOL. Then one day she goes silent. Phone number shut off. After about 2 weeks I notice a new Line contact and its her. However I look at her photos and I see a Thai man that seems to be her boyfriend but the photos are from February. I send her some messages to question her about the boyfriend she supposedly had broke up with. She stated that the were 6 months old and it was over, providing me with her new number at the same time. I'm thinking to myself that most break ups will warrant the deleting of photos. Anyways I love her pussy so I set up a last meeting to fuck her one more time before ending it with her. She meets me at Major, we eat dinner and back to my room for action. I fuck her in every position and unleash my load deep in her pussy as a last gift to her. The next day she sends me many love texts on line telling me she can't wait for me to meet her family. I open up my iphone contacts and sync the new number she provided me with Facebook, which I always do to check the girls personal lives. Low and behold I see recent photos with her and her boyfriend together. One photo was even a few hours before me meeting her for a sex date. They were together in their little ass apt taking selphies together, In love like always. I replied to her love struck messages to me with screen shots of her and her boyfriend together on Facebook showing the dates of the posts LOL. Then silence from her after this. What a funny story and I hope her boyfriend enjoys my little gift to him when he fucks her, sloppy seconds ha ha. The cum shot was so deep that maybe it will be in their for days.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1606074]Met this Surin cute at Mandarin bar in Nana plaza. She was a great fuck. She took this Selphie in my room and sent me the photo. She really knows how to fuck and loves it BB. Thrusting her pelvis and hips right back at me like no tomorrow made it wild and passionate. After three or four meetings in and out out Mandarin she says she loves me and wants to stop work. Asks me to meet her family. I play along with the scam LOL. Then one day she goes silent. Phone number shut off. After about 2 weeks I notice a new Line contact and its her. However I look at her photos and I see a Thai man that seems to be her boyfriend but the photos are from February. I send her some messages to question her about the boyfriend she supposedly had broke up with. She stated that the were 6 months old and it was over, providing me with her new number at the same time. I'm thinking to myself that most break ups will warrant the deleting of photos. Anyways I love her pussy so I set up a last meeting to fuck her one more time before ending it with her. She meets me at Major, we eat dinner and back to my room for action. I fuck her in every position and unleash my load deep in her pussy as a last gift to her. The next day she sends me many love texts on line telling me she can't wait for me to meet her family. I open up my iphone contacts and sync the new number she provided me with Facebook, which I always do to check the girls personal lives. Low and behold I see recent photos with her and her boyfriend together. One photo was even a few hours before me meeting her for a sex date. They were together in their little ass apt taking selphies together, In love like always. I replied to her love struck messages to me with screen shots of her and her boyfriend together on Facebook showing the dates of the posts LOL. Then silence from her after this. What a funny story and I hope her boyfriend enjoys my little gift to him when he fucks her, sloppy seconds ha ha. The cum shot was so deep that maybe it will be in their for days.[/QUOTE]You sound a bit upset. A bargirl lie? Heavens! What is the world coming to. You don't lose her; you just lose your place in line. Perhaps one of her many dumped a big load in her a few hours before you had her. So what? A quick shower and she is good as new.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1606247]You sound a bit upset. A bargirl lie? Heavens! What is the world coming to. You don't lose her; you just lose your place in line. Perhaps one of her many dumped a big load in her a few hours before you had her. So what? A quick shower and she is good as new.[/QUOTE]He didn't sound upset to me. Just sounded like he new the game and really didn't care anyway.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1606074]Met this Surin cute at Mandarin bar in Nana plaza. She was a great fuck. She took this Selphie in my room and sent me the photo. She really knows how to fuck and loves it BB. Thrusting her pelvis and hips right back at me like no tomorrow made it wild and passionate. After three or four meetings in and out out Mandarin she says she loves me and wants to stop work. Asks me to meet her family. I play along with the scam LOL.[/QUOTE]It sounds like you may have caught her on a rebound, and that's why the passion. You replaced her boyfriend during what appears to be a temporary break up. I suspect she did really like you, in a a kind of a desperate way. You may feel a little bit of anger and hurt which in my opinion is understandable if you're a decent person. With human interactions, it is sometimes very difficult to follow the Buddhist precept of no expectations, no disappointment. Thanks for sharing.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1603862]
As an aside has anyone been to Mixx club in Bangkok & seen girls like these:
[URL]https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10299081_707094049352742_671235265568778562_n.jpg[/URL][/QUOTE]I have been to Mixx. There are variety of girls and most of them indeed are hot! Rates quoted by foreign workers are high whereas the thais too demand in excess of 4000 Baht. Its a nice club and if you are lucky you indeed do get good girls to pick up! Last year I did manage to grab a colombian and sri lankan air hostess! They might not be your regular WGs but some good vibes, few drinks and right amount of money does get them to go back with you!
[QUOTE=HornyLandoora;1606406]I have been to Mixx. There are variety of girls and most of them indeed are hot! Rates quoted by foreign workers are high whereas the thais too demand in excess of 4000 Baht. Its a nice club and if you are lucky you indeed do get good girls to pick up! Last year I did manage to grab a colombian and sri lankan air hostess! They might not be your regular WGs but some good vibes, few drinks and right amount of money does get them to go back with you![/QUOTE]You need to understand that most club close at 3. So most of the really enthusiast clubber meet every night after 3 at mix. I personally never paid for a girl in Mixx (nor in BKK) as it is quite easy to pick up a freebie (most of the time hotter than the WG), in that club.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1606247]You sound a bit upset. A bargirl lie? Heavens! What is the world coming to. You don't lose her; you just lose your place in line. Perhaps one of her many dumped a big load in her a few hours before you had her. So what? A quick shower and she is good as new.[/QUOTE]Just wondering where did you read I was upset? Anyways I took another joint down to Nana plaza on Wednesday night. I don't like going to Soi Cowboy anymore, it's way too commercial and the coyote theme has caught on. It is a complete waste of money. The coyote idea was taken from the Thai discos in Singapore and Malaysia where very rarely do these girls go with a customer. Their main job is to bring the customers in and keep them drinking and buying them lady drinks. Nana has just as many coyote girls working in the go go's there. What I mean is they are as of the same quality and beauty, but at a cheaper price. Nana plaza was never my first choice, always Soi cowboy until the coyotes. On the the same note as my last post I ran into a girl who I had pulled a few times before a Climax. Funny story again but she pulled me aside to tell me she was pregnant and the father was a farang. She said she was there looking for a friend who owed her money but that girl did not show up. She then proceeded to ask me for 3000 THB. I guess being with child and all she can't or won't continue working. This just goes to show that even foreigners in Thailand knock up a Thai girl and then run, not just the Thai guys.
[QUOTE=PololaPolo6;1606451]You need to understand that most club close at 3. So most of the really enthusiast clubber meet every night after 3 at mix. I personally never paid for a girl in Mixx (nor in BKK) as it is quite easy to pick up a freebie (most of the time hotter than the WG), in that club.[/QUOTE]I have experienced the same thing at Mixx. Sometimes you can pick up freebies there but let's not distort the truth. Normally picking up a freebie means the initial meeting at Mixx for example, some kissing, a meal together, nagger the club, exchanging of phone numbers, and then the scheduling of a date in the next day or so. Thus the freebie does not become a freebie until the second date where she decides to sleep with you. The option is meeting for the first time, paying, and doing the deed the same night. Not paying for sex but paying for a date might even work out the same.
Thank you Rico Suave!
Hi guys, going to BKK next month was looking through for a fun time and came across this girl Odette from Bangkok Hot Escort. Any review about her? I also saw August from Bangkok escort, she looks stunning. Wonder if she is as good as the photo's?
Thanks,
Bkkbeginner
I will be reaching Bangkok on 18 Aug. First I will going to Pattaya and then Bangkok for 5 days. Anyone travelling on same date will like to monger together so that can share some knowledge.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1606526]I ran into a girl who I had pulled a few times before a Climax. Funny story again but she pulled me aside to tell me she was pregnant and the father was a farang. She said she was there looking for a friend who owed her money but that girl did not show up. She then proceeded to ask me for 3000 THB. I guess being with child and all she can't or won't continue working. This just goes to show that even foreigners in Thailand knock up a Thai girl and then run, not just the Thai guys.[/QUOTE]I wonder if she was really preggers or just in need of some ice.
The upside is if she was truly knocked up I could bang her BB, even cum inside, & no worries about a baby pinkpearl popping out 9 months later. The world doesn't need anymore of those.
When I saw this cuties back and leggs yesterday during a celebration for the Queens birthday I had to think on the posts from Fon Tok in the former days.
He posted for a very long time the back and leggs from Bangkok's cuties; amazing!
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1606074]. What a funny story and I hope her boyfriend enjoys my little gift to him when he fucks her, sloppy seconds ha ha. The cum shot was so deep that maybe it will be in their for days.[/QUOTE]Except that you also had his sloppy seconds, perhaps more than once.
We fool ourselves that the angels we play with only play with us.
Nothing could often be further from the truth.
[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1607556]Except that you also had his sloppy seconds, perhaps more than once.
We fool ourselves that the angels we play with only play with us.
Nothing could often be further from the truth.[/QUOTE]One of the most excellent and common sense comments I have ever read on this forum. Also one should realize that if one goes BB you are likely to experience something more than sloppiness.
[QUOTE=RalphKramden;1607621]One of the most excellent and common sense comments I have ever read on this forum. Also one should realize that if one goes BB you are likely to experience something more than sloppiness.[/QUOTE]Why do you feel the need to come on a forum where people share their sexual experiences and preach safe sex or make jabs at the members who choose not to? Do you enjoy it? Do you have a lot of free time? Are you genuinely concerned for me and the others who sometimes practice BB full service. Might I suggest you please stick to posting your reports and experiences rather than wasting Jackson's bandwidth! But if you are so inclined then he has arranged a section for you.
Ok back to the action. I visited Soi cowboy tonight and visited Baccara. Same story as before and no coyotes. A good Mixx of ladies tonight looking to refill their purses after a long holiday. I decided to go upstairs where the girls go topless and wear no undies under their skirts. I immediately locked eyes with number 44. Huge melons, sexy ass, and an attitude looking to be tamed, called her over and bought her a few drinks. First ST I have went for in Thailand but could not resist that alluring stare. Paid the 600 BF and off to the short time hotel on the corner. Quick shower and off to the races. I love daty and always start like this. Not much small talk with this lady, right to business. I had her spread eagled on the bed with my tongue swirling on her clit. To my surprise she turned out to be my first squirter I have ever had. I could feel her tense up and then I was caught off guard with a shot to the eye LOL. This got me really hot and as she was in ecstasy I mounted her. Oops no condom. Oh well. She did not seem to mind or did not care. I pumped her up and down, she loved the way I moved my cock in circles inside her. She screamed again and I flipped her over for some reverse cow girl. Her lovely ass was a sight to see let me tell you. Flipped back on the bed and went for doggy. The bed has a mirror and I enjoyed seeing my cock go in and out of her. Finally I could not hold off any longer. I asked her wear to cum! Inside or out? Up to you she says. Ok then I pounded away for another 20 seconds and blew my load deep inside her pussy creampie Thai style. What a great night! Home early as well!
I was back in BKK for a few days. Not much of a change here, except that prices are up as allways. ST now seems to be at least 2000 and LT 4000. Bf is the same though, at 600.
In SC my favourites are still Cactus, SusieWongs, Lighthouse and Dollhouse. And now also the new one: CrazyHouse.
Details: Cactus have imported beer, hamburgers and a few cute nudes. Susie is not as good as it used to be. But the shows are still ok, some nudity at times. In Lighthouse they wear bikinis but some girls are very pretty, and the mood there is good. Dollhouse have some good looking nudes and beer for 85 before 9:30. The infamous CrazyHouse has some confusing prices, varying from 90 to 150 for a drink at different times. Upstairs they have good shows and nudity as well as a party mood different from other bars. I did not observe any UA on the two occasions I visited this place. So I don't know how that roumor came about.
NEP is also basically unchanged. Some closed bars and some new, but mostly the same ones as in 2012 and 2013. Difficult to say which are the best ones here, but I liked Playskool, Hotlips (new) and Mandarin. And Spanky's have some funny shows.
[QUOTE=RalphKramden;1607621]One of the most excellent and common sense comments I have ever read on this forum. Also one should realize that if one goes BB you are likely to experience something more than sloppiness.[/QUOTE]Let me guess. Heightened pleasure, excitement, orgasm & ecstasy?
Speaking of "BB" and "sloppy seconds", this is from one of the world's leading STI experts:
"In general, oral sex is very safe for all STD. Condoms reduce the already tiny risk to zero, probably for all STDs, but most people find condoms for oral sex distasteful, both literally and figuratively".
[URL]http://www.medhelp.org/posts/STDs/How-safe-are-condoms-when-used-correctly/show/665887[/URL]
[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;1607724]Susie is not as good as it used to be. But the shows are still ok, some nudity at times.[/QUOTE]Obviously you must have attended very early in the evening. Suzie Wong is basically a nude gogo dancing bar with erotic shows. "Nudity at times" is a distortion.
Crazy House has 50% nude dancing downstairs. The non nude girls have no knickers.
Looking for a good oily or soapy for a threesome. Eden gets recommended a lot, but I am looking for younger and hotter girls. Would be great if they would at least be a bit into each other, willing to kiss and stuff. Doesn't have to be PSE. Aside from Snow White and Mango, any places or girls you can recommend?
[QUOTE=Danznb1;1608132]Looking for a good oily or soapy for a threesome. Eden gets recommended a lot, but I am looking for younger and hotter girls. Would be great if they would at least be a bit into each other, willing to kiss and stuff. Doesn't have to be PSE. Aside from Snow White and Mango, any places or girls you can recommend?[/QUOTE]Have you done any research yourself on this forum or are you going to rely on others to do the work for you?
[QUOTE=Stykler;1608289]Have you done any research yourself on this forum or are you going to rely on others to do the work for you?[/QUOTE]Isn't that the same thing? Researching on this forum and relying on others to do the work for you?
[QUOTE=Danznb1;1608132]Looking for a good oily or soapy for a threesome. Eden gets recommended a lot, but I am looking for younger and hotter girls. Would be great if they would at least be a bit into each other, willing to kiss and stuff. Doesn't have to be PSE. Aside from Snow White and Mango, any places or girls you can recommend?[/QUOTE]Yeah go to HotbabeZ. , its on Sukh, soi 87. The babes can get really into each other and they have a special lesbo package you can buy. Its both oily and soapy. Way better than anywhere else recommended on this forum, no matter how many pages back you go. This is the one for you.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1607710]Why do you feel the need to come on a forum where people share their sexual experiences and preach safe sex or make jabs at the members who choose not to? Do you enjoy it? Do you have a lot of free time? Are you genuinely concerned for me and the others who sometimes practice BB full service. Might I suggest you please stick to posting your reports and experiences rather than wasting Jackson's bandwidth! But if you are so inclined then he has arranged a section for you.
[/QUOTE]I love guys who think it is all about them. The world revolves around them. I know this is hard for you to imagine but actually most of us could care less about your health and well-being but some of us do care about the girls guys like you leave pregnant and with diseases. These are for the most part young, not very educated girls who don't know better and are in need of money to take care of their families. For guys like you who take advantage of this situation and walk away from any responsibility is contemptible. Not that you care obviously about anything or anybody or ever will. So why bother with this post? No idea.
I come often in BKK but for short time only and alone. If I know quiet well the world of the massage parlours, I never been to Nana or Cowboy as it's not fun to go alone.
Anyone would like to come with me and maybe to find a girl to share?
In the other hand, I'd like to find a local guy who knows the place for local and could take me like to find the cheap for Thai way.
I'm open to any other "complicity", couple or party, knowing I'm straight.
[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;1607724]I was back in BKK for a few days. Not much of a change here, except that prices are up as allways. ST now seems to be at least 2000 and LT 4000. Bf is the same though, at 600.
In SC my favourites are still Cactus, SusieWongs, Lighthouse and Dollhouse. And now also the new one: CrazyHouse.
Details: Cactus have imported beer, hamburgers and a few cute nudes. Susie is not as good as it used to be. But the shows are still ok, some nudity at times. In Lighthouse they wear bikinis but some girls are very pretty, and the mood there is good. Dollhouse have some good looking nudes and beer for 85 before 9:30. The infamous CrazyHouse has some confusing prices, varying from 90 to 150 for a drink at different times. Upstairs they have good shows and nudity as well as a party mood different from other bars. I did not observe any UA on the two occasions I visited this place. So I don't know how that roumor came about.
NEP is also basically unchanged. Some closed bars and some new, but mostly the same ones as in 2012 and 2013. Difficult to say which are the best ones here, but I liked Playskool, Hotlips (new) and Mandarin. And Spanky's have some funny shows.[/QUOTE]Sorry for the stupid question. I have been up and down soi cowboy and couldn't find crazyhouse. Where is it? Is it on a side street? Or was I too drunk to see straight?
[QUOTE=DanGood;1608364]Anyone would like to come with me and maybe to find a girl to share?
In the other hand, I'd like to find a local guy who knows the place for local and could take me like to find the cheap for Thai way.
I'm open to any other "complicity", couple or party, knowing I'm straight.[/QUOTE]I can't understand why with all the pussy there, someone would want to share a girl, it that some weird twosome fantasy?
[QUOTE=DanGood;1608364]I come often in BKK but for short time only and alone. If I know quiet well the world of the massage parlours, I never been to Nana or Cowboy as it's not fun to go alone.
Anyone would like to come with me and maybe to find a girl to share?
In the other hand, I'd like to find a local guy who knows the place for local and could take me like to find the cheap for Thai way.
I'm open to any other "complicity", couple or party, knowing I'm straight.[/QUOTE]Go to Eden Club and you will not be alone.
I am not sure if any monger is ready for 2 on 1 scenario. 2 girls on 1 is fine.
Make friends even if you come for a short time. Meet them again when you come next. That's how I did it. In fact quite a few of us come alone.
Don't be a cheap Charlie. If you show the money you will have lots of friends in no time. :D
[QUOTE=TesterTester;1608746]Sorry for the stupid question. I have been up and down soi cowboy and couldn't find crazyhouse. Where is it? Is it on a side street? Or was I too drunk to see straight?[/QUOTE]It is around the corner from the Old Dutch Mill restaurant on soi 23. Not right on Soi Cowboy.
[QUOTE=Stykler;1608289]Have you done any research yourself on this forum or are you going to rely on others to do the work for you?[/QUOTE]Yeah, did research myself here. I went through the last few years of posts. Aside from Eden, the only posts about threesomes were snow white and mango. I checked them out, but didn't really see a girl that was hot. Most were a 5 or 6. Better places for good threesomes really don't exist? Even if you are fine with spending more money than usual?
[QUOTE=DanGood;1608364]I come often in BKK but for short time only and alone. If I know quiet well the world of the massage parlours, I never been to Nana or Cowboy as it's not fun to go alone.
Anyone would like to come with me and maybe to find a girl to share?
In the other hand, I'd like to find a local guy who knows the place for local and could take me like to find the cheap for Thai way.
I'm open to any other "complicity", couple or party, knowing I'm straight.[/QUOTE]I doubt it if the girls of Soi Cowboy would find it fun to be shared by two guys. Strange as it may seem, run-of-the-mill Thai working girls are far more conservative than you might imagine.
The Thai mongering scene and the foreigner mongering scene are not really overlapping. For us farang it is difficult to even recognize the (cheap) Thai brothels and the avarage Thai man does not have the funds to go to the farang establishments.
If you want to go to the "local" scene, you will have better luck outside of the farang haunts. For example, HotShaneHot seems quite successful in Udon Thani, Nongkhai and other North Eastern cities. Have look at the forum for those places.
[QUOTE=Danznb1;1608132]Looking for a good oily or soapy for a threesome. Eden gets recommended a lot, but I am looking for younger and hotter girls. Would be great if they would at least be a bit into each other, willing to kiss and stuff. Doesn't have to be PSE. Aside from Snow White and Mango, any places or girls you can recommend?[/QUOTE]I took two girls at Dr. BJ Nuru. They weren't doing lesbo stuff. You can take multiple girls easily at most Soapies and Oilies but lesbo action is unlikely. Not sure why massage needs to be involved at all for taking two girls. I get my pairs of girls from Suzi Wong, those that do lesbian shows, etc. Its been a method working well for me for years. At least one is a real bi-sexual, and certainly others are into molesting girls.
[QUOTE=Danznb1;1608788]Yeah, did research myself here. I went through the last few years of posts. Aside from Eden, the only posts about threesomes were snow white and mango. I checked them out, but didn't really see a girl that was hot. Most were a 5 or 6. Better places for good threesomes really don't exist? Even if you are fine with spending more money than usual?[/QUOTE]You went to Snow White and didn't find anyone you liked? Or are you looking at the websites? I know that there are a few girls there that I think are very pretty. Every once in a while you can find a very pretty girl at Eden, also. I have never been to Mango so I can't comment. If you are going by what you see on the website, don't. When you get there the girls will look different. Some will be nicer than on the website, and some will be worse. And some won't even be on the website. Good luck on your quest.
[QUOTE=Bigatl164;1608758]I can't understand why with all the pussy there, someone would want to share a girl, it that some weird twosome fantasy?[/QUOTE]Me neither. For it to be doable there needs to be more gals than guys.
[QUOTE=Phuquer;1609344]You went to Snow White and didn't find anyone you liked? Or are you looking at the websites? I know that there are a few girls there that I think are very pretty. Every once in a while you can find a very pretty girl at Eden, also. I have never been to Mango so I can't comment. If you are going by what you see on the website, don't. When you get there the girls will look different. Some will be nicer than on the website, and some will be worse. And some won't even be on the website. Good luck on your quest.[/QUOTE]Last few times I popped into Snow the talent was not that great. Seems to be an aging lot ala Tulip. One or two new cuties there, but I am very hesitant to take gals without reading some good reports. Even at the PSE places performance can really vary these days. I miss the old days of Baron's and Tulip where all girls did everything and you never had to ask or wonder.
Last night at Dollhouse was the first Nanapong Dance Contest in almost 10 years. Just two bars participated, Dollhouse and Electric Blue. Even though none of these gals had ever seen a dance contest (most were probably 11 or so when the last one was held), they performed like champs. Plenty of amazingly nasty action. They were eating, fingering, and kissing each other; one was even using a glow stick in all three of her holes and then sticking it in guy's mouths. Fantastic! A real throwback and a remembrance of what more nights than naught used to be in Bangkok back in the early '00's. I sure miss them!
Crowd was good and into it. If you missed it there will be another one on the 14th of Aug at Electric Blue. Nothing is scheduled after that.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1609386]Last few times I popped into Snow the talent was not that great. Seems to be an aging lot ala Tulip. One or two new cuties there, but I am very hesitant to take gals without reading some good reports. Even at the PSE places performance can really vary these days. I miss the old days of Baron's and Tulip where all girls did everything and you never had to ask or wonder.[/QUOTE]I have some great memories of Baron's Barber Shop. Last time I was at Snow White (and I admit it was a couple of years ago) I went in looking for Fom as I heard good things about her. She was not there, but there was this girl that wasn't on the website. She was very cute. She told me she was new there. I enjoyed my time with her immensely. It wasn't love, or sex, or anything like that. It was hard pounding, and more of an aerobic workout. My knees were wobbly when I walked out of there. It was great. The thing I remember is the lady at the front desk told me they get new girls all the time. So you might go today and see just a bunch of older ladies, then tomorrow you might see a couple new girls fresh off the bus. Timing is everything.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1609389]Last night at Dollhouse was the first Nanapong Dance Contest in almost 10 years. Just two bars participated, Dollhouse and Electric Blue. Even though none of these gals had ever seen a dance contest (most were probably 11 or so when the last one was held), they performed like champs. Plenty of amazingly nasty action. They were eating, fingering, and kissing each other; one was even using a glow stick in all three of her holes and then sticking it in guy's mouths. Fantastic! A real throwback and a remembrance of what more nights than naught used to be in Bangkok back in the early '00's. I sure miss them!
Crowd was good and into it. If you missed it there will be another one on the 14th of Aug at Electric Blue. Nothing is scheduled after that.[/QUOTE]Damn! I won't be back at least until November. I always seem to miss all the fun stuff. : the.
[QUOTE=Phuquer;1609393]I have some great memories of Baron's Barber Shop. Last time I was at Snow White (and I admit it was a couple of years ago) I went in looking for Fom as I heard good things about her. She was not there, but there was this girl that wasn't on the website. She was very cute. She told me she was new there. I enjoyed my time with her immensely. It wasn't love, or sex, or anything like that. It was hard pounding, and more of an aerobic workout. My knees were wobbly when I walked out of there. It was great. The thing I remember is the lady at the front desk told me they get new girls all the time. So you might go today and see just a bunch of older ladies, then tomorrow you might see a couple new girls fresh off the bus. Timing is everything.[/QUOTE]Fom was last in SW2 working under a different name. Might still be there. SW2 is now Lilly.
The influx of new talent has slowed a bit. With the economy coming to a halt (exports down 15% and tourism off 10%) that might change.
[QUOTE=Phuquer;1609395]Damn! I won't be back at least until November. I always seem to miss all the fun stuff. : the.[/QUOTE]It was fun. I must say that in the "good ole days" the gals in the contest were a bit better looking, but hey, it was nice never the less!
i think i posted in the wrong place a minute ago so if someone can move that post here it might be better placed.
this is only for tourists like me not for people who live here in an attempt to make life easier.
so last night i walked into a second bar offering 50 b beers. not sure of the name but its in a street that runs off the papong market. the patrons were all just sitting around drinking and looking at the girls on the stage. i motioned to one girl to come over and bought her a lady drink for 180 b. she started rubbing my cock and stayed with me till it was her time to dance at which time i motioned for the two most playfull girls on the stage to come over. they had been pretending to be man and woman with simulated sex on stage. omg right decision. they were not the best lookers but they were fun. a drink each - 180 x2 - and they were rubbing my cock and letting me touch their breasts which is not 100% approved int he club and has to be hidden from the old woman bosses. but the boss came over and asked for a drink. she was 50 or so maybe 40 with big old tits. so i bought her drink and gave her tits a squeeze so that she knew it was all about having fun. she then sat near me the whole night keeping an eye on me and telling the girls that they had to look after me. soon the girls all had their hands down my shorts instead of rubbing over the top and my hands were down their bras. we had moved to the most secluded corner by now. i for the next 5 hours i had girls rubbing theire backsides on my laps and up to three hands on my cock at a time. one down the leg of each side of my shorts and one down the top.
the variety was great- 10 girls would dance on stage while 8 girls would be available to entertain. then tey would swap. so i would have a changeover of girls every 5 songs or so but i kept the playful pair coming most of the night till one got too drunk and i has to replace her with others. one was so tiny. my cock was wider than her wrist. she is not **** but omg she is so thin. the takehome price was 700 barfine plus 2500 then it dropped to 2000 but i didn't take any home. i had either ne two or three girls with me all night and have never had so much cock rubbing. the wild girls made sure that everyone knew what was going on in our little corner with all their screaming and stuff and in a happy little moment i walked around the podium and tipped all the girls 100 b because some were not getting any customers. and the dj played the songs i wanted and i was in heaven. i spent maybe 6000 b in the club last night with tips to the old woman included. she was helpful. i got more than normally allowed in the bar because i kept tipping her. hmm - she kept asking. i even had a little bit of a 'free' suck from one of the playful girls.
i'm about to have a shower and go back. opens at 8 pm and its now 9. i'll get the name of the place and post it. it's a fun little place and worth a visit.
Planning the upcoming annual mongering trip to LOS. Usually, I refill any prescriptions (antibiotics, high blood pressure meds) while in Bangkok. Last time, two pharmacies on the Sukhumvit, one next to Bullys, the other next to the Majestic Suites, would not sell me any alprazolam (Xanax) even though I had a prescription. They both said that I had to go to a hospital to buy alprazolam. Maybe they are cracking down. Anyone know a 'friendlier' pharmacy in Bangkok that I might try?
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1609389]If you missed it there will be another one on the 14th of Aug at Electric Blue. Nothing is scheduled after that.[/QUOTE]Is there a typo here? You posted this a few days after August 14th.
I was a regular reader of NanaPong 10+ years ago and it's good to hear it's still going.
[QUOTE=Bartchamdo;1610047]Is there a typo here? You posted this a few days after August 14th.
I was a regular reader of NanaPong 10+ years ago and it's good to hear it's still going.[/QUOTE]Sorry I meant Sept 14th! Actually it has been 10 years. We will see if we can get it going again.
[QUOTE=Phuquer;1609344]You went to Snow White and didn't find anyone you liked? Or are you looking at the websites? I know that there are a few girls there that I think are very pretty. Every once in a while you can find a very pretty girl at Eden, also. I have never been to Mango so I can't comment. If you are going by what you see on the website, don't. When you get there the girls will look different. Some will be nicer than on the website, and some will be worse. And some won't even be on the website. Good luck on your quest.[/QUOTE]Yes, checked out Snow White and Mango a few times, but never saw anybody above a 6. After going there a few times and never finding anybody, I gave up on the place. Definitely don't go by the pictures on the websites. I know that reality can be different. In a good and bad way.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1609125]I took two girls at Dr. BJ Nuru. They weren't doing lesbo stuff. You can take multiple girls easily at most Soapies and Oilies but lesbo action is unlikely. Not sure why massage needs to be involved at all for taking two girls. I get my pairs of girls from Suzi Wong, those that do lesbian shows, etc. Its been a method working well for me for years. At least one is a real bi-sexual, and certainly others are into molesting girls.[/QUOTE]I'm just not much of a bar guy. I don't care about the massage, but like the easy logistics of such places. Go in, do it, leave. Not having to worry about hotels complaining about two girls and all the other stuff.
I've asked about two girls at a few oilies and soapies. Most of them looked at me like I'm crazy. Any with young good looking girls you can recommend? Doesn't need to do lesbo stuff. Would rather have that than a PSE with two old ugly ones.
It seems that by order of the junta, through army and police, the all night long mobile bars, operated on the sidewalks of sukhmivit, are no longer allowed to trade.
The arrival of some malls and big hotels did already confined the areas as they placed large vases to avoid the installation of vending stalls and the later mobile bars (vending stalls set up in the afternoon running till appr 10 pm, replaced then by the mobile bars till the first lights of the day).
The nightlife of lower sukhmivit is now put at a challenge with this decision and wondering who and what's next? The FL's parading there?
[QUOTE=BionicMan;1610178]It seems that by order of the junta, through army and police, the all night long mobile bars, operated on the sidewalks of sukhmivit, are no longer allowed to trade.
The arrival of some malls and big hotels did already confined the areas as they placed large vases to avoid the installation of vending stalls and the later mobile bars (vending stalls set up in the afternoon running till appr 10 pm, replaced then by the mobile bars till the first lights of the day).
The nightlife of lower sukhmivit is now put at a challenge with this decision and wondering who and what's next? The FL's parading there?[/QUOTE]I am curious to where you heard this. I am not challenging you but I am out of country at the moment. I have a few friends who run a few bars on Sukhumvit. One in front of Robinson's at Soi 17 and another near Holley's Coffee Shop. Thanks.
[QUOTE=BionicMan;1610178]It seems that by order of the junta, through army and police, the all night long mobile bars, operated on the sidewalks of sukhmivit, are no longer allowed to trade.
The arrival of some malls and big hotels did already confined the areas as they placed large vases to avoid the installation of vending stalls and the later mobile bars (vending stalls set up in the afternoon running till appr 10 pm, replaced then by the mobile bars till the first lights of the day).
The nightlife of lower sukhmivit is now put at a challenge with this decision and wondering who and what's next? The FL's parading there?[/QUOTE]And other carts that sell T-Shirts et all are not allowed to set up until 6 pm! As a resident I think these are great changes. Personally I welcome the closing of the street bars and the early closing times. Why? Early closing times even at places like Insanity force gals on the game to find a customer. Can pull a gal at 1230 or 1 instead of 3 or 4. It will also have an effect on prices. Gals who need to make money will not be able to "wait it out. " The scene was far better with earlier closing times and Thermae and The Grace as the only late night places.
As far as the street bars and stall are concerned, lower Suk was cleaner before the street bars. It was cleaner still when the street market ended at Soi 11. I applaud these changes. Now they need to get rid of the menacing African drug dealers at the mouth of Soi 13! Sadly we will still have to deal with Arab Season running June-September.
I do think with higher end hotels and condos coming into the area we will continue to see improvements.
[URL]http://www.scmp.com/article/1563441/thai-junta-arrest-army-general-bangkok-red-light-district-extortion[/URL]
If this story is true, the junta is serious about cleaning up corruption in Thailand. To take down a general officer, is a monumental task.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1610226]And other carts that sell T-Shirts et all are not allowed to set up until 6 pm! As a resident I think these are great changes. Personally I welcome the closing of the street bars and the early closing times. Why? Early closing times even at places like Insanity force gals on the game to find a customer. Can pull a gal at 1230 or 1 instead of 3 or 4. It will also have an effect on prices. Gals who need to make money will not be able to "wait it out. " The scene was far better with earlier closing times and Thermae and The Grace as the only late night places.
As far as the street bars and stall are concerned, lower Suk was cleaner before the street bars. It was cleaner still when the street market ended at Soi 11. I applaud these changes. Now they need to get rid of the menacing African drug dealers at the mouth of Soi 13! Sadly we will still have to deal with Arab Season running June-September.
I do think with higher end hotels and condos coming into the area we will continue to see improvements.[/QUOTE]Last night for the first time in ages I sat in one of the Suk outside bars because a friend was catching an early flight and I was keeping him company till he left for the airport at 5:30 am. In the first bar we sat at right above soi 5 a fight with bottles broke out almost as soon as we sat down and we thought it wise to find another place to have a drink and walked away quickly to the sound of breaking glass. As we sat in the next place right at soi 5 the night denizens passed us in all their finery and misery. A true journey into darkness. Then when I walked home I was grabbed by more Ladyboys and African girls than I thought possible. After every grab I checked my wallet and phone to see if they were still there. Not a nice place to spend the wee wee hours of the night. Cleaning up lower Suk will hit some cops in their pockets but it has to be done. It is a venereal sore.
[QUOTE=DRRonin;1610423]Last night for the first time in ages I sat in one of the Suk outside bars because a friend was catching an early flight and I was keeping him company till he left for the airport at 5:30 am. In the first bar we sat at right above soi 5 a fight with bottles broke out almost as soon as we sat down and we thought it wise to find another place to have a drink and walked away quickly to the sound of breaking glass. As we sat in the next place right at soi 5 the night denizens passed us in all their finery and misery. A true journey into darkness. Then when I walked home I was grabbed by more Ladyboys and African girls than I thought possible. After every grab I checked my wallet and phone to see if they were still there. Not a nice place to spend the wee wee hours of the night. Cleaning up lower Suk will hit some cops in their pockets but it has to be done. It is a venereal sore.[/QUOTE]The area has really degraded in the 14 years I have been here. It used to be "charmingly sleazy" with a blend of regular tourists, mongers, and WGs. Now it is just plain ugly. Arabs, sketchy Africans, sub-continentals, and amazingly rude Koreans and Chinese. And the street is dirtier and dirtier.
[QUOTE=Warthog2837;1610028]Anyone know a 'friendlier' pharmacy in Bangkok that I might try?[/QUOTE]Hi W2837,
You could try Chula Pharmacy on Thanon Rama IV, between Surawong and Silom (closer to Surawong on that side of the road). Sala Daeng BTS or Silom MRT. It's been a couple of years since I was there, tbh, but their produce was genuine (generics and branded) and inexpensive. Not sure if they'll supply aprazolam, but if you have a script it's worth a try.
[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1610342][URL]http://www.scmp.com/article/1563441/thai-junta-arrest-army-general-bangkok-red-light-district-extortion[/URL]
If this story is true, the junta is serious about cleaning up corruption in Thailand. To take down a general officer, is a monumental task.[/QUOTE]Either that or he rubbed other generals (or other important people) the wrong way. It is hard to tell from a single arrest.
I will soon be arriving in BKK, bringing my Filipina GF, and staying at the Shangri-La. I know that the Shang is not in the best mongering location, but this is not a mostly mongering trip, and I have no choice re the Shang.
She has never done a threesome and would not go for the straight-out girly bars, but might be introduced gradually. Any suggestions on a bar or club that has a live band, show, or something else that would make a good excuse to go? I want something that also has girls, but not that ONLY has girls. She loves dancing, so a dance club with local workers would probably also work.
Similarly, any suggestions on an agency where I could get two girls that would do an in-room show for us (probably no touching, but I can hope)?
Last time I was at the Shang, there were a couple of massage agencies on the nearby side street that would do in-room service, and the Shang had no problem about letting them in. But not sure if they would do couples. Any suggestions on a nearby agency that would do service at the Shang for couples? I might be able to get my GF into a sexy massage in-room, but she wouldn't go to a MP that has a fishbowl or is too obviously a sex MP.
Thanks!
Morning all,
I'm staying at a hotel on Sukhumvit 10 a few hundred feet away from Lollipop 1.
Anyone had anything outstanding there recently?
[QUOTE=Danznb1;1610090]I'm just not much of a bar guy. I don't care about the massage, but like the easy logistics of such places. Go in, do it, leave. Not having to worry about hotels complaining about two girls and all the other stuff.
I've asked about two girls at a few oilies and soapies. Most of them looked at me like I'm crazy. Any with young good looking girls you can recommend? Doesn't need to do lesbo stuff. Would rather have that than a PSE with two old ugly ones.[/QUOTE]Was in Dream Heaven Massage on Soi 24/1 on Saturday afternoon, and they had 14-16 girls to choose from, with 5-6 very attractive girls. I chose a girl named 'Dream" who was very pretty, young and offered a great service.
[QUOTE=TitiTigas;1610617]I will soon be arriving in BKK, bringing my Filipina GF, and staying at the Shangri-La. I know that the Shang is not in the best mongering location, but this is not a mostly mongering trip, and I have no choice re the Shang.
She has never done a threesome and would not go for the straight-out girly bars, but might be introduced gradually. Any suggestions on a bar or club that has a live band, show, or something else that would make a good excuse to go? I want something that also has girls, but not that ONLY has girls. She loves dancing, so a dance club with local workers would probably also work.
Similarly, any suggestions on an agency where I could get two girls that would do an in-room show for us (probably no touching, but I can hope)?
Last time I was at the Shang, there were a couple of massage agencies on the nearby side street that would do in-room service, and the Shang had no problem about letting them in. But not sure if they would do couples. Any suggestions on a nearby agency that would do service at the Shang for couples? I might be able to get my GF into a sexy massage in-room, but she wouldn't go to a MP that has a fishbowl or is too obviously a sex MP.
Thanks![/QUOTE]You need to make up your mind. You want a threesome or a lesbian show? What if she wants a 3 some. 2 guys and her?
Hey guys,
Will be arriving there in a couple days! Anyone recommend a good place to get 2 girls which includes lesbian action (apart from eden)? Last time I went to a soapy that gave me awesome service but I have no clue where it was! Any recommendations please? Thanks a ton. Also best place to get hot late night hookups would be awesome!
[QUOTE=TitiTigas;1610617]
She has never done a threesome and would not go for the straight-out girly bars, but might be introduced gradually. Any suggestions on a bar or club that has a live band, show, or something else that would make a good excuse to go? I want something that also has girls, but not that ONLY has girls. She loves dancing, so a dance club with local workers would probably also work.[/QUOTE]I would look at some of the oilies. For instance Cherry Massage or SnowWhite or Bamboo has girls that will work well in tandem. Email them ahead of time.
You can then invite two of them to the Shang for a two hr get to know you session and see how your GF reacts -- yes, it's a foursome! And yes, they will allow YOU to do anything you want them to do, LOL!
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1610941]You need to make up your mind. You want a threesome or a lesbian show? What if she wants a 3 some. 2 guys and her?[/QUOTE]I am hoping I can gradually work her toward a FFM threesome.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1610969]I would look at some of the oilies. For instance Cherry Massage or SnowWhite or Bamboo has girls that will work well in tandem. Email them ahead of time.
You can then invite two of them to the Shang for a two hr get to know you session and see how your GF reacts -- yes, it's a foursome! And yes, they will allow YOU to do anything you want them to do, LOL![/QUOTE]Excellent advice. I will search for the Web sites of Cherry Massage, Snow White, and Bamboo. Am hoping her boundaries will gradually drop, especially with a few drinks before the masseuses arrive. Thanks!
I got some good suggestions about in-Shang massage. Thanks!
Any ideas about my other question: a club where I can take my GF? I don't want a pure girly bar, or she won't go. So, I am looking for dancing, or a live band, or a cabaret show -- but a place that also has girls working or dancing or both. Two years ago I brought a girl in similar circumstances, and found an excellent club that had dancing girls, girls working the floor, but also a live band, and it worked great. Stupidly, I forgot the name and location. (Sorry!
I am trying to gradually take her to harder and harder locations.
[QUOTE=TitiTigas;1611059]... I will search for the Web sites of Cherry Massage, Snow White, and Bamboo. ...[/QUOTE]For other newbies like me:
[URL]http://cherrymassagebkk.com/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.snowwhitemassage.com/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.bamboomassagebkk.com/[/URL]
[QUOTE=TitiTigas;1611064]For other newbies like me:
[URL]http://cherrymassagebkk.com/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.snowwhitemassage.com/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.bamboomassagebkk.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]Better website for Snow White: [URL]http://snowwhitesoi26.com/[/URL].
[QUOTE=DannyYu;1610957]Hey guys,
Will be arriving there in a couple days! Anyone recommend a good place to get 2 girls which includes lesbian action (apart from eden)? Last time I went to a soapy that gave me awesome service but I have no clue where it was! Any recommendations please? Thanks a ton. Also best place to get hot late night hookups would be awesome![/QUOTE]For late night hook ups Mixx club, Insomnia, or Climax are the best. You can still find some of the go go's open at 2 Am as well in Nana ans Soi Cowboy.
[QUOTE=DRRonin;1610423]Last night for the first time in ages I sat in one of the Suk outside bars because a friend was catching an early flight and I was keeping him company till he left for the airport at 5:30 am. In the first bar we sat at right above soi 5 a fight with bottles broke out almost as soon as we sat down and we thought it wise to find another place to have a drink and walked away quickly to the sound of breaking glass. As we sat in the next place right at soi 5 the night denizens passed us in all their finery and misery. A true journey into darkness. Then when I walked home I was grabbed by more Ladyboys and African girls than I thought possible. After every grab I checked my wallet and phone to see if they were still there. Not a nice place to spend the wee wee hours of the night. Cleaning up lower Suk will hit some cops in their pockets but it has to be done. It is a venereal sore.[/QUOTE]Now you know why I abstain from discos, clubs, bars & gogos while prefering street straddlers. The powerful drug alcohol makes people aggressive & turns them into fools. No doubt that is also a consideration for some NCP pros who've chosen not to work at such venues. Especially at that hour of the day when such activities as you describe are not unusual anywhere on the ball.
If you expect to walk around perfectly safe in the wee hours of the morning, in red light zones full of bars, anywhere in the world, you're dreaming. Though, as an exception, in Geylang at that time it is as safe as a bingo parlour in BKK in the middle of the day.
Even with going for outdoor courtesans in BKK, if you haven't picked up before 11 PM, you've probably already missed the boat, or have a much lower chance of having the good times roll. As a rule, the later it gets, the nastier it becomes.
I was previously offered these (without prescription) as a sleeping tablet by the pharmacy opposite New Royal Fashions on Soi 11.
[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1610342][URL]http://www.scmp.com/article/1563441/thai-junta-arrest-army-general-bangkok-red-light-district-extortion[/URL]
If this story is true, the junta is serious about cleaning up corruption in Thailand. To take down a general officer, is a monumental task.[/QUOTE]That will teach him to share it with the others!
[QUOTE=TitiTigas;1611059]Excellent advice. I will search for the Web sites of Cherry Massage, Snow White, and Bamboo. Am hoping her boundaries will gradually drop, especially with a few drinks before the masseuses arrive. Thanks![/QUOTE]Do yourself a favor and call the shop first. Ask Bam at Bamboo or Nadear at Cherry to recommend the right girls. And be quite open about your expectations. You need the right girl (s) for this. Even though the ladies at the these shops are regularly doing threesomes they are doing them with friends they usually work with. They might not know what to do in a situation they are unfamiliar with. Also you should stipulate that your GF is Filipina. A lot of girls have no problem to service a Farang woman but have issues with another Asian female. You should definitely choose a more experienced girl and not one of the newbies. I would think Ann from Cherry would be an ideal choice. She is experienced and has a calm and caring personality. She would probably know best how to gently coax your GF into the action.
If you want to have more of a lesbian show which you participate in than chose Ice from Cherry and let her bring her own choice of companion. You cannot go wrong there.
From Bamboo massage my choice would be Bo alone or in a duo with Cheer.
Good luck! I am looking forward to hear how it turns out.
[QUOTE=BkkMick;1611399]...Good luck! I am looking forward to hear how it turns out.[/QUOTE]Wow! Great advice. Thanks. I contacted all three agencies already.
Much appreciated.
[QUOTE=TitiTigas;1611062]I got some good suggestions about in-Shang massage. Thanks!
Any ideas about my other question: a club where I can take my GF? I don't want a pure girly bar, or she won't go. So, I am looking for dancing, or a live band, or a cabaret show -- but a place that also has girls working or dancing or both. Two years ago I brought a girl in similar circumstances, and found an excellent club that had dancing girls, girls working the floor, but also a live band, and it worked great. Stupidly, I forgot the name and location. (Sorry!
I am trying to gradually take her to harder and harder locations.[/QUOTE]Bangkok beat on sukh soi 7/1 has 2 bands per night, good relaxed atmosphere and a mix of P4 P and groups of girls out for a party.
[QUOTE=Warthog2837;1610028]Planning the upcoming annual mongering trip to LOS. Usually, I refill any prescriptions (antibiotics, high blood pressure meds) while in Bangkok. Last time, two pharmacies on the Sukhumvit, one next to Bullys, the other next to the Majestic Suites, would not sell me any alprazolam (Xanax) even though I had a prescription. They both said that I had to go to a hospital to buy alprazolam. Maybe they are cracking down. Anyone know a 'friendlier' pharmacy in Bangkok that I might try?[/QUOTE]Warthog.
Hit a few pharmacies off of Suk & look for smaller 1 person shops. Expect higher prices, and to hear a no or two, but you will.
Eventually find one that will accommodate your needs.
I have been using one on Soi 22 for years. Sorry no address, it's on the right side about 1. 5 blocks from Suk.
The bigger shops and chains will all most likely say no.
Guido88.
I'll be travelling to Thailand in late September. I was here (for the first time) three years ago, and made some notes on prices.
Beer bar: ST 5-700 baht, 1000 LT.
Gogo: 1500-2000ST, 3-5000 LT.
Tip 200-600 depending on service.
Bar fines 300 beer bar, 600 gogo (depending what time it is).
Are these still accurate? I'll mostly be going to Soi Cowboy this time.
[QUOTE=Warthog2837;1610028]Planning the upcoming annual mongering trip to LOS. Usually, I refill any prescriptions (antibiotics, high blood pressure meds) while in Bangkok. Last time, two pharmacies on the Sukhumvit, one next to Bullys, the other next to the Majestic Suites, would not sell me any alprazolam (Xanax) even though I had a prescription. They both said that I had to go to a hospital to buy alprazolam. Maybe they are cracking down. Anyone know a 'friendlier' pharmacy in Bangkok that I might try?[/QUOTE]WH:
I have had success at the pharmacy next to Thermae although was not buying anything too exotic- South East Pharmacy I think it is called. Has a guy selling copy watches outside. Good luck.
FK
[QUOTE=VinceAU;1611964]I'll be travelling to Thailand in late September. I was here (for the first time) three years ago, and made some notes on prices.
Beer bar: ST 5-700 baht, 1000 LT.
Gogo: 1500-2000ST, 3-5000 LT.
Tip 200-600 depending on service.
Bar fines 300 beer bar, 600 gogo (depending what time it is).
Are these still accurate? I'll mostly be going to Soi Cowboy this time.[/QUOTE]Your prices for the a-gogo clubs are on the low side for ST, LT is about right. In Suzi Wong the barfine is still 600 baht and does not change during the night. On the other hand, your tip seems rather generous.
I would not know for beerbars, in Bangkok I'm strictly an a-gogo and MP guy.
But prices are very variable and there is no rhyme or reason to it.
I am thinking about making a short trip to BKK in the new week or so.
However I was just wondering if if my usual gal EE is presently work at Dr. BJ's salon? I am sure I read some where that she had some time off recently.
If she isn't working at the moment, does anyone have a name or no. They could recommend for some very good BJ service from there at Dr. BJ's or any other oily or soapy or BJ institution in BKK?
Thanks very much in advance.
Disappointing - [URL]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/428503/swedish-tourist-is-homeless-after-being-windled-by-a-thai-woman[/URL].
Believable? - [URL]https://www.tytnetwork.com/2014/08/20/why-the-sex-trade-thrives-in-thailand/[/URL].
[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1612433]Disappointing - [URL]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/428503/swedish-tourist-is-homeless-after-being-windled-by-a-thai-woman[/URL].[/QUOTE]The Swedish Embassy is not very helpful it seems. Belgium regularly repatriates ex-pats back to Belgium for medical reasons.
[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1612433]Disappointing - [URL]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/428503/swedish-tourist-is-homeless-after-being-windled-by-a-thai-woman[/URL].
[/QUOTE]There really are some dumb dickheads in this world. In saying that, something just doesn't seem right about this story.
[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1612433]Disappointing - [URL]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/428503/swedish-tourist-is-homeless-after-being-windled-by-a-thai-woman[/URL]
[/QUOTE]About 15 years ago, I was in Lima, Peru and meet a guy who claimed to be a "homeless" American who had been robbed of all his possessions. He gave me some strange story as to why the US embassy wouldn't help him. I took pity and gave him $20. A couple of days later, I told someone of this guy's plight and I was told that this guy was well-known for giving foreign tourists his sad story. He'd been doing it for many years. Interestingly, I've read of similar "stories" of "homeless" Americans, Germans, Dutch, etc in Quito, Rio, Mexico City, and Phuket.
It's possible there might be some truth to this guy's story, but it seems more like a scam especially when a fundraiser is involved. Who controls how the money is spent? Is he going to use the money to buy a ticket home or will he continue to stay in Bangkok? If he returns back to Sweden, he'll still be homeless.
[QUOTE=Warthog2837;1610028]...I had a prescription. They both said that I had to go to a hospital to buy alprazolam...?[/QUOTE]Since you have a prescription, just go to the pharmacy on the ground floor of Bungrumrad Hospital down Soi 3 and get it filled there. Most pharmacies won't sell psychoactive molecules to people they don't know because there have been stings. The ones that will could be dicey. Be prepared to be given a really good going over when you go back home.
[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1612433]Believable? - [URL]https://www.tytnetwork.com/2014/08/20/why-the-sex-trade-thrives-in-thailand/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Another shameless MONGO (My Own NGO) trolling for money.
Obviously chose Thailand for the nice hotels and restaurants. Unbelievable drivel.
[QUOTE=IanOxon;1611911]Bangkok beat on sukh soi 7/1 has 2 bands per night, good relaxed atmosphere and a mix of P4 P and groups of girls out for a party.[/QUOTE]Found it here: [URL]http://www.bangkok-beat.com/[/URL], and it sounds great for my purposes (bringing my Filipina GF and gradually introducing her to harder and harder scenes). Thanks very much!
What do you think is the fastest way to get from the airport to Nana BTS station on Wednesday at about 8 am, airport rail link or taxi?
[QUOTE=David_33;1612646]Another shameless MONGO (My Own NGO) trolling for money.
Obviously chose Thailand for the nice hotels and restaurants. Unbelievable drivel.[/QUOTE]Yes, this video seemed orchestrated to seek out money for some kind of cause (NGO), only to come to LOS and blow it up on nothing.
I do hope in the event that the Swedish gentleman's story is not fake that he gets a plane ride back from his government or else a lot of people may get caught in a some kind of a scam sending in their donations.
[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;1604424]Everyone said don't go to Rajah, crap quality and no performance but unfortunately I read one good review and I had to try.
Damage: 2600+tip.[/QUOTE]I just came back from Rajah Hotel.
The receptionist said that all women were 3100 THB.
How did you get the price of 2600 THB?
Did the receptionist ripped me off or what?
Which bars in Soi Cowboy have bar fines (as opposed to coyotes) other than Bacarra and Suzy Wongs? I went inside a few other bars and found out too late they are only coyote bars, and no bar fine. But I forgot the names.
[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;1612676]What do you think is the fastest way to get from the airport to Nana BTS station on Wednesday at about 8 am, airport rail link or taxi?[/QUOTE]I think the train will definitely be faster.
I think you found the arabs bars. Hint, if no customers ask if bf available. Go to the other side of the soi.
[QUOTE=Mackin;1612719]I think you found the arabs bars. Hint, if no customers ask if bf available. Go to the other side of the soi.[/QUOTE]All of the so called Arab's bars (there are seven of them) Rio, Kiss, Deja Vu, Midnite, Sahara, Rawhide, and one more bar that I can't recall at the moment, should be avoided. Over the years there have been many warnings and bad experiences posted about these bars. Basically they are rip off joints that specialize in high priced drinks, hidden charges, strong arm tactics, and bait and switch with the girls. You can usually tell when you have wandered into one of these bars based on the high gloss and lack of customers. How they continue to stay a float despite the poor volume of business they generate is open to conjecture. Some think they are money laundering operations and others think they are part of some real estate speculation. In any case I would advise avoiding these bars unless you are entranced by the bright lights and can't help yourself. Just don't say you were not warned.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1612729]All of the so called Arab's bars (there are seven of them) Rio, Kiss, Deja Vu, Midnite, Sahara, Rawhide, and one more bar that I can't recall at the moment, should be avoided. Over the years there have been many warnings and bad experiences posted about these bars. Basically they are rip off joints that specialize in padded bills, strong arm tactics, and bait and switch with the girls. You can usually tell when you have wandered into one of these bars based on the high gloss and lack of customers. How they continue to stay a float despite the poor volume of business they generate is open to conjecture. Some think they are money laundering operations and others think they are part of some real estate speculation. In any case I would advise avoiding these bars unless you are entranced by the bright lights and can't help yourself. Just don't say you were not warned.[/QUOTE]Baccara = Not worth going unless you are Japanese.
That leaves Spice girls, Long gun and Shark who have attractive ladies.
Tilac, I am removing from list as I heard hottest dancers are not available for barfine.
Makes me wonder should I straightaway head for Nana plaza?
[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1612687]I do hope in the event that the Swedish gentleman's story is not fake that he gets a plane ride back from his government or else a lot of people may get caught in a some kind of a scam sending in their donations.[/QUOTE]It sets a bad precedent for any government to be the first responder to bailout its citizen whenever its citizen end up destitute overseas. If the Swede had gone to Las Vegas and gambled all his money away, I doubt the Sweden government would pay his airfare home.
If the guy really wants to go back to Sweden, he has other resources (family) that he has decided not to use. The guy is not Sweden's problem; he's Thailand's problem. If his visa has expired, Thailand can arrest and expel him.
[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;1612676]What do you think is the fastest way to get from the airport to Nana BTS station on Wednesday at about 8 am, airport rail link or taxi?[/QUOTE]Definitely rail link in then taxi. Unless you want to take MRT or hump it to BTS from rail link station.
[QUOTE=Yujin;1612614]About 15 years ago, I was in Lima, Peru and meet a guy who claimed to be a "homeless" American who had been robbed of all his possessions. He gave me some strange story as to why the US embassy wouldn't help him. I took pity and gave him $20. A couple of days later, I told someone of this guy's plight and I was told that this guy was well-known for giving foreign tourists his sad story. He'd been doing it for many years. Interestingly, I've read of similar "stories" of "homeless" Americans, Germans, Dutch, etc in Quito, Rio, Mexico City, and Phuket.
It's possible there might be some truth to this guy's story, but it seems more like a scam especially when a fundraiser is involved. Who controls how the money is spent? Is he going to use the money to buy a ticket home or will he continue to stay in Bangkok? If he returns back to Sweden, he'll still be homeless.[/QUOTE]This guy's so full of shit. He's looks to be a slightly mentally impaired vagrant. LA is full of 'them. They always have some sort of excuse why they can't do such and such, but if you give them some money, well, that'll help.
He can't go to the embassy because he "lost some documents?" Seriously?
Spot on- - if he goes back to Sweden he'll still be homeless. He was probably the next best thing to homeless when he lived there.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1612086]
I would not know for beerbars, in Bangkok I'm strictly an a-gogo and MP guy.[/QUOTE]BF it is pretty much 600 in bars too.
[QUOTE=Yujin;1612760]It sets a bad precedent for any government to be the first responder to bailout its citizen whenever its citizen end up destitute overseas. If the Swede had gone to Las Vegas and gambled all his money away, I doubt the Sweden government would pay his airfare home.
If the guy really wants to go back to Sweden, he has other resources (family) that he has decided not to use. The guy is not Sweden's problem; he's Thailand's problem. If his visa has expired, Thailand can arrest and expel him.[/QUOTE]And if they expel him the thai government will ahve to pay for his airfare (and the two guys who have to accompany him on the flight "back home".
The whole story, as presented, sounds like a scam.
He doesn't have the paperwrok to go back home but he stays, open air, in Nana area and the police did not spot him (yet)? Come on. Even after 10 beers I would not believe this.
Not to mention the story of the girls helping him out but he refusing to take all support.
He went through surgery in BKK? And how did he pay?
Baccara = not worth going unless you are Japanese?
Are you kidding me? Around 200 girls work there, not all are pretty, but most have clearly something pretty, cute or some equivalent of that. And more than 50% prefer to go with farang. Especially the ones on 1st floor. Just my experience from Nov. 2013 until may 2014.
And let's not forget Soi Cowboy also have Crazy House, actually it is just around the corner.
So for normal barfine (600/700) Soi Cowboy gives us: Baccara, Crazy House, Long Gun, Spice Girls, Suzie Wong and the underestimated Shark gogo next to Baccara.
Happy hunting to all, I really miss it.
[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;1612737]Baccara = Not worth going unless you are Japanese.
That leaves Spice girls, Long gun and Shark who have attractive ladies.
Tilac, I am removing from list as I heard hottest dancers are not available for barfine.
Makes me wonder should I straightaway head for Nana plaza?[/QUOTE]
Stayed at the Tai Pan for a night and went to nearly every bar on Soi Cowboy.
I liked The Doll House best. Very friendly girls and the tits on all of them are amazing.
Bacarra was good too.
If you're a tourist and you enter the Soi from the Bacarra end I would suggest staying away from the bars on the left side towards the end of the road. They definitely jack up the bill. I emphatically said no lady drink at one of them but they charged me for at least 3. When I protested I got surrounded by menacing bouncers who insisted that I ordered the drinks. I just paid and left, and the same thing happened at the bar next door.
I went to Annie's massage at the Raja hotel after having read so many good things about it online.
Seriously disappointed.
#1: The place is a dingy dump.
#2: (Most of) The girls are ugly.
#3: Very rushed service.
I chose #23, and while she was good and friendly it was a hurried session. I was out in about an hour and 10 minutes, despite having paid for 2.
Not worth 2500 THB at all. For a bit more money one could go to a much nicer place like Utopia. Poseidon is also the same price but much nicer.
The only good thing is that the drinks are cheap. But again, it is rushed. I doubt if you can sit there and peacefully drink multiple drinks. The mamasan keeps asking you to pick a girl.
[QUOTE=TonyIndian;1612939]
If you're a tourist and you enter the Soi from the Bacarra end I would suggest staying away from the bars on the left side towards the end of the road. They definitely jack up the bill. I emphatically said no lady drink at one of them but they charged me for at least 3. When I protested I got surrounded by menacing bouncers who insisted that I ordered the drinks. I just paid and left, and the same thing happened at the bar next door.[/QUOTE]Looks like you have fallen prey to the Go-Go scam run inside the joints owned by the Arab (as referred to here), with the history of padded bins. There should be a definitive and updated list of the Go-Gos owned by the Arab so that tourists can avoid his joints.
Since I do not remember the names of all the clubs which are owned by the guy, I just tend to play it by instinct. I check the number of patrons that are visiting any particular establishment and if the number isn't to my satisfaction, I avoid the Go-Go. Thankfully, I haven't had to pay a padded bin yet (this isn't a fool proof method, but seems to work).
[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1612952]Looks like you have fallen prey to the Go-Go scam run inside the joints owned by the Arab (as referred to here), with the history of padded bins. There should be a definitive and updated list of the Go-Gos owned by the Arab so that tourists can avoid his joints.
Since I do not remember the names of all the clubs which are owned by the guy, I just tend to play it by instinct. I check the number of patrons that are visiting any particular establishment and if the number isn't to my satisfaction, I avoid the Go-Go. Thankfully, I haven't had to pay a padded bin yet (this isn't a fool proof method, but seems to work).[/QUOTE]That's sound advice ActionOriented. I too, cannot name all of the bars owned by the Arab, but they all tend to have the (really hot) Coyote girls out-front. As you probably all know these girls are hired in from an agency and in my experience are just xxxx teases.
I'm not quite sure how or why I ended up in this random little bar on 2nd floor NEP. I normally stick to the bigger bars like Rainbow 4. But I had a pleasant surprise when I found a total cutie in there.
She was 7/10,19 yo, nice slim figure and cute face and gave a good performance with lots of kissing.
Cost BF:700 B, ST:2000 B + tip. So call it 3000 B total.
The other girls weren't anything to write home about, but I'd go back just for her.
Sac
[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1612952]Looks like you have fallen prey to the Go-Go scam run inside the joints owned by the Arab (as referred to here), with the history of padded bins. There should be a definitive and updated list of the Go-Gos owned by the Arab so that tourists can avoid his joints.
Since I do not remember the names of all the clubs which are owned by the guy, I just tend to play it by instinct. I check the number of patrons that are visiting any particular establishment and if the number isn't to my satisfaction, I avoid the Go-Go. Thankfully, I haven't had to pay a padded bin yet (this isn't a fool proof method, but seems to work).[/QUOTE]I've been doing a lot of reading up as I will be visiting Bangkok soon.
Now after reading this "Arab" scam I'm kind of worried as I'm from Arab background myself.
Am I not reading between the lines?
Thanks
[QUOTE=TonyIndian;1612939]Stayed at the Tai Pan for a night and went to nearly every bar on Soi Cowboy.
I liked The Doll House best. Very friendly girls and the tits on all of them are amazing.
Bacarra was good too.
If you're a tourist and you enter the Soi from the Bacarra end I would suggest staying away from the bars on the left side towards the end of the road. They definitely jack up the bill. I emphatically said no lady drink at one of them but they charged me for at least 3. When I protested I got surrounded by menacing bouncers who insisted that I ordered the drinks. I just paid and left, and the same thing happened at the bar next door.[/QUOTE]Thanks to various members for contribution on Soi Cowboy. Seems like Dollhouse is worth checking out. They have bar fine or only coyote? Cowboy 2 bar has good girls outside sometimes. Cowboy2 has bar fine?
I have been dragged to Bacarra most of the time by my Japanese friends, so didn't check out Dollhouse or Cowboy 2 yet from the inside. Next mission will stop in these two if they have bar fine.
It's true what some guys say about Bacarra girls preferring Japanese. But it should be amended to "Asians. " It just so happens most of the customers are of Japanese persuasion. More than 4 of the Bacarra girls told me they prefer Asians and don't like to go with farang. But they immediately also tell me it's a "secret" because they don't want to offend anyone.
I have no comment other than to repeat what the girls tell me.
[QUOTE=TesterTester;1613018] But they immediately also tell me it's a "secret" because they don't want to offend anyone.
I have no comment other than to repeat what the girls tell me.[/QUOTE]How is it a secret? I have picked a few girls from Bacarra before and the ones that I have really wanted to pick (and have not been able to) have come right out and said that they cater only to Japanese punters (and not Asian, but I guess Korean will also do). No secrets there, IMHO. The girls are very vocal about their preferences only once you have bought them a drink. IMHO, there is nothing to get offended about, it is, after all their choice.
[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1612952]Looks like you have fallen prey to the Go-Go scam run inside the joints owned by the Arab (as referred to here), with the history of padded bins. There should be a definitive and updated list of the Go-Gos owned by the Arab so that tourists can avoid his joints.
Since I do not remember the names of all the clubs which are owned by the guy, I just tend to play it by instinct. I check the number of patrons that are visiting any particular establishment and if the number isn't to my satisfaction, I avoid the Go-Go. Thankfully, I haven't had to pay a padded bin yet (this isn't a fool proof method, but seems to work).[/QUOTE]These are the 7 Bars in Soi Cowboy everyone should avoid like Plague:
1. Rio.
2. Kiss.
3. Deja Vu.
4. Midnite.
5. Sahara.
6. Rawhide.
7. Spice Girls.
They are owned by an Iranian Guy (popularly called "Arab") Apparently he was heard saying as below to one of his muslim friend (as told to me by a girl, I bar-fined from there, after paying up a heavily padded bill, and coerced to do so by bouncers):
"Our religion allows for cheating all Kafers, so this business model is not disapproved by our religion, And anyway these Kafers come here loaded with money, no harm losing a few thousand to my place, and no one knows which bars I own".
Dollhouse is fully nude by the way. Missing it already.
Thai girls with big tits, doesn't get any better. Even the Hooters doesn't come close.
Will definitely return whenever in Bangkok.
[QUOTE=AssLover945;1613057]These are the 7 Bars in Soi Cowboy everyone should avoid like Plague:
1. Rio.
2. Kiss.
3. Deja Vu.
4. Midnite.
5. Sahara.
6. Rawhide.
7. Spice Girls.
They are owned by an Iranian Guy (popularly called "Arab") Apparently he was heard saying as below to one of his muslim friend (as told to me by a girl, I bar-fined from there, after paying up a heavily padded bill, and coerced to do so by bouncers):
"Our religion allows for cheating all Kafers, so this business model is not disapproved by our religion, And anyway these Kafers come here loaded with money, no harm losing a few thousand to my place, and no one knows which bars I own".[/QUOTE]Holy crap, this guy is out to loot and plunder. I am making a note of this right away. Thanks.
[QUOTE=TonyIndian;1612943]I went to Annie's massage at the Raja hotel after having read so many good things about it online.
Seriously disappointed.
#1: The place is a dingy dump.
#2: (Most of) The girls are ugly.
#3: Very rushed service. [/QUOTE]Sadly, I have to agree with Tony on points #1 and #2. I wouldn't want to shag most of the girls for free and the rooms definitely need to be refurbished. On point #3, however, I would have to say that I have received pretty good service here at least 90% of the time. So in conclusion, I would advise avoiding Annies. It is an Icon Institution on lower Sukhumvit, but its best days are behind it. It operates more like a tourist trap than anything else these days I. E. Very high prices for the overall low quality in girls and amenities. You can do much better on Ratchadaphisek Road area at soapy palaces like Copa Cabana, Emmanuelle, Nataree, Amsterdam, The Lord, La Belle, Long Beach, and Utopia.
[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1613024]How is it a secret? I have picked a few girls from Bacarra before and the ones that I have really wanted to pick (and have not been able to) have come right out and said that they cater only to Japanese punters (and not Asian, but I guess Korean will also do). No secrets there, IMHO. The girls are very vocal about their preferences only once you have bought them a drink. IMHO, there is nothing to get offended about, it is, after all their choice.[/QUOTE]Point well taken. I guess it's not really a secret. Do you remember the numbers of the ones you wanted to take but wouldn't go on account of you not being Japanese? There was one who has a very cute face, can't remember the number, but I think it is number 80 (blondish hair fake boobs that are too big to be natural and too perfectly shaped to be natural). Told one of my friends she wouldn't go with him because he wasn't japanese. Then turns around and goes with a very fat and not so old farang. So go figure.
As you said, it's their choice. No big deal either way.
I prefer Cowboy over Nana over Patpong although there are good Go Go's in all three locations. My favorite Soi Cowboy Go Go's are: Baccara, Crazy House, Suzi Wong, and Shark in that order.
Some guys don't like Baccara. I do. I have been going there for years. They have the largest number of girls anywhere and there is something for everybody. The girls, the waitresses, the hostesses all know me and I get treated very well here like a preferred customer. I am a Caucasian American and have never had a problem getting girls here. Over the years I must have taken at least 15 girls out of this joint. Many of these girls still work here and I get smiles and knowing glances from them everytime I come here. As a result, Baccara is my home base Go Go bar in BKK. My favorite Go Go girl resides here. I have been seeing her since 2011 and I no longer pay her barfine. She might be one of the reasons I am treated so well here. Bottom line: there are plenty of real nice girls here. I am not intimidated by the Asian customers. I can out swing most of these dudes any night of the week and the girls know it.
The new bar, Crazy House is very strong. They have perhaps the best looking lineup in BKK at the moment. I took two girls out of here during my last trip and had a great time. I appreciate the nudity. Strange, the nude dancers are the better looking than the scantily clad girls IMHO. There is a good overall vibe here.
Suzi Wong is an old school Go Go and I like the vibe here too very much. The line up is much smaller than Baccara or CH, but there are a couple of girls here that I really like. All the girls are nude and there are a couple of lesbian shows every night.
Shark is always worth a look see. It is a good bar, just not as good as Baccara or the others mentioned above IMHO.
I stopped going to to Dollhouse in 2009 or something. The quality of the girls was really poor back then. It is good to read a few positive reports about the joint recently. I think I will have to check the place out again when I return to BKK in 15.
[QUOTE=TesterTester;1613075]Point well taken. I guess it's not really a secret. Do you remember the numbers of the ones you wanted to take but wouldn't go on account of you not being Japanese? There was one who has a very cute face, can't remember the number, but I think it is number 80 (blondish hair fake boobs that are too big to be natural and too perfectly shaped to be natural). Told one of my friends she wouldn't go with him because he wasn't japanese. Then turns around and goes with a very fat and not so old farang. So go figure.
As you said, it's their choice. No big deal either way.[/QUOTE]Difficult to remember since it's been three months now. But the one I was really keen on was number 151, she gently let me down (JAP only policy). There is this girl who has slight bangs and loves to dance and perform for the Asian clientele, easily does 2-3 STs per night, I guess. I sometimes wonder whether she enjoys dancing and being admired by the younger Korean crowd or actually getting STs.
I am not very sure but there was a fake blondie who wanted to know from the MMS the nationality (or racial type) of the punter from the stage before her highness consented to a sit down. Of course, I did not hear their conversation. But I do know that I didn't get to sit down with the girl. I think this is one example of where these Go-Go girls are able to make a choice.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1613077]I prefer Cowboy over Nana over Patpong although there are good Go Go's in all three locations. My favorite Soi Cowboy Go Go's are: Baccara, Crazy House, Suzi Wong, and Shark in that order.
Some guys don't like Baccara. I do. I have been going there for years. They have the largest number of girls anywhere and there is something for everybody. The girls, the waitresses, the hostesses all know me and I get treated very well here like a preferred customer. I am a Caucasian American and have never had a problem getting girls here. Over the years I must have taken at least 15 girls out of this joint. Many of these girls still work here and I get smiles and knowing glances from them everytime I come here. As a result, Baccara is my home base Go Go bar in BKK. My favorite Go Go girl resides here. I have been seeing her since 2011 and I no longer pay her barfine. She might be one of the reasons I am treated so well here. Bottom line: there are plenty of real nice girls here. I am not intimidated by the Asian customers. I can out swing most of these dudes any night of the week and the girls know it.
The new bar, Crazy House is very strong. They have perhaps the best looking lineup in BKK at the moment. I took two girls out of here during my last trip and had a great time. I appreciate the nudity. Strange, the nude dancers are the better looking than the scantily clad girls IMHO. There is a good overall vibe here.
Suzi Wong is an old school Go Go and I like the vibe here too very much. The line up is much smaller than Baccara or CH, but there are a couple of girls here that I really like. All the girls are nude and there are a couple of lesbian shows every night.
Shark is always worth a look see. It is a good bar, just not as good as Baccara or the others mentioned above IMHO.
I stopped going to to Dollhouse in 2009 or something. The quality of the girls was really poor back then. It is good to read a few positive reports about the joint recently. I think I will have to check the place out again when I return to BKK in 15.[/QUOTE]I agree 100% with Natty. I have only been going to Bangkok for a short time and I have only been to Baccara 4 times but I've never been turned down and I've never had a problem bar fining a girl that I liked. I don't pay any attention to any of the other guys in a bar I don't let them bother me in the least.
[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;1612737]Baccara = Not worth going unless you are Japanese.
That leaves Spice girls, Long gun and Shark who have attractive ladies.[/QUOTE]You forgot Suzie Wong's nice line-up of nude dancers. I have never been disappointed when I choose one of them to take "home".
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1613290]You forgot Suzie Wong's nice line-up of nude dancers. I have never been disappointed when I choose one of them to take "home".[/QUOTE]Agreed with W and Natty, these four places in SC make them stand apart from the crooked other joints on the strip. SW is good, great memories with a part timer I picked from there. I hope I find her on my next visit to SW (highly unlikely that I will find her). Their body paint nude shows are very entertaining as well.
I went to Nana the other night and many of the bars were no longer open. The other thing that surprised me was there seemed to be alot of ladyboys mixed in the other bars. I went over to SC and found that there seemed to be more girls there at a better variety of ages.
I have heard horror stories about these bars.
[QUOTE=AssLover945;1613057]These are the 7 Bars in Soi Cowboy everyone should avoid like Plague:
1. Rio.
2. Kiss.
3. Deja Vu.
4. Midnite.
5. Sahara.
6. Rawhide.
7. Spice Girls...[/QUOTE]
Bacarra chick was ready for threesome.
Her friend was little plump than my taste.
Sweet girl but no DFK, should have negotiated better.
Her name was Ploy and Aap was available in package deal.
Her sugar daddy is giving Iphone.
If you get an Iphone in US cheap and unlock it then few Baccara girls are cheaper than regular thermae.
Look for street hawkers who sells sex toys at night. They have alprazolam, viagra etc.
[QUOTE=Warthog2837;1610028]Planning the upcoming annual mongering trip to LOS. Usually, I refill any prescriptions (antibiotics, high blood pressure meds) while in Bangkok. Last time, two pharmacies on the Sukhumvit, one next to Bullys, the other next to the Majestic Suites, would not sell me any alprazolam (Xanax) even though I had a prescription. They both said that I had to go to a hospital to buy alprazolam. Maybe they are cracking down. Anyone know a 'friendlier' pharmacy in Bangkok that I might try?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Margaya;1613385]I have heard horror stories about these bars.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Margaya;1613385]I have heard horror stories about these bars.[/QUOTE]This takes out half of the cowboy.
Just back from another ST.
I was able to find a girl to my taste (slim, slightly dark skin and cute) and pick her up just before her regular Japanese client.
Bacarra girls are hot but they have been spoiled by their regular quick finish customers.
For ST it will be rushed service along with "me finish twice but you not finish" whining.
Many girl refuse LT as they know they can finish more ST in one night and earn better.
It's not just about money, I spent on 4 lady drink and gave more tip than Japanese would have given still for her Japanese are priority.
Before that one stunner brushed her boobs against me while walking and went inside Kiss.
Extremely tempting 9-10 stunner but had doubts whether she would be bar-fined or not and it is another arab rip off.
So stopped thinking by my dick and went to Bacarra.
SW girls standing outside were not as pretty as others so decided to skip it for today.
How is Shark these days when compared with Crazy House?
Tomorrow will be having only few hours free time so will go to Shark or Crazy House.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1613077] I am not intimidated by the Asian customers. I can out swing most of these dudes any night of the week and the girls know it. [/QUOTE]No offence here. I am just curious about the reason you said this.
Why would someone be intimidated by the Asian customers?
Did the Asian customers (with Japanese customers being the majority) bother you / harass you / make fun of you (because you were the minority there) when you were in Baccara?
[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1613024]How is it a secret? I have picked a few girls from Bacarra before and the ones that I have really wanted to pick (and have not been able to) have come right out and said that they cater only to Japanese punters (and not Asian, but I guess Korean will also do). No secrets there, IMHO. The girls are very vocal about their preferences only once you have bought them a drink. IMHO, there is nothing to get offended about, it is, after all their choice.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ActionOriented;1613083] she gently let me down (JAP only policy). [/QUOTE]After reading this thread, I am very sorry to hear what you guys experienced.
Sadly, this kind of scenario happens everywhere and all over the world, when you are a minority in a certain environment.
I am of East Asian descent, so I am always mistaken as a Japanese from Japan or a Chinese from China.
When I was in Bangkok, I experienced the reverse scenario. I was harshly rejected by some Russian / Eastern European freelancers.
They kept saying "No! I am busy!" and showing no interest of earning my money at all.
They were obviously desperate for business at that time, but they turned me down without hesitation after staring at my face for few seconds.
I saw them happily accept customers of every ethnicity, except for people who look like Japanese or Chinese.
To be frank, I did feel offended, annoyed, and frustrated at that point.
But what could I do?
It's just the way it is.
It's their choice to give up a nice customer no matter what the real reason was.
[QUOTE=TonyIndian;1613066]Dollhouse is fully nude by the way. Missing it already.
Thai girls with big tits, doesn't get any better. Even the Hooters doesn't come close.
Will definitely return whenever in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]I was there in April. As a big tit fan, I had to check it out. I walked in and right back out. The few that actually had big tits were heffers. Really disappointed!
[QUOTE=AssLover945;1613057]Apparently he was heard saying as below to one of his muslim friend (as told to me by a girl, I bar-fined from there, after paying up a heavily padded bill, and coerced to do so by bouncers):
"Our religion allows for cheating all Kafers, so this business model is not disapproved by our religion, And anyway these Kafers come here loaded with money, no harm losing a few thousand to my place, and no one knows which bars I own".[/QUOTE]If you're going to waste time with this apocryphal tripe, why not go all the way and substitute 'goyim' for 'kafer'. Not like we've never heard that before (roll eyes).
[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;1613572]No offence here. I am just curious about the reason you said this. Why would someone be intimidated by the Asian customers? Did the Asian customers (with Japanese customers being the majority) bother you / harass you / make fun of you (because you were the minority there) when you were in Baccara? [/QUOTE]Solo, I clearly stated that I like Baccara and always have a good time there. Baccara Asian customers, of which there are many, don't bother me in the least. In fact, I like the global mix. Most Asian customers that I have observed in Baccara are well behaved and courteous. But their presence seems to bother some, due to the fact that some Baccara girls market themselves exclusively towards that group. That's racial discrimination. My attitude is I don't care because I don't want any girl that does not want me. It is the girl's loss not mine. Plain and simple. Now the reasons why some Thai working girls practice racial discrimination and whether they suffer or benefit economically from it's practice is an interesting topic of conversation, but I am too lazy to go into it right now.
I remember one night I went to Baccara with my favorite Baccara girl for a few drinks after dinner. The place was packed, but the friendly fat waitress with whom I am on very friendly terms found us a booth over to the side where I like to sit. Some Korean guy was sitting there solo, but there was room for us to squeeze in. It was no big deal. After a few minutes, one of my girl's girlfriends spotted us and came by to say hello. I am on very friendly terms with this girl too. I leaned over and politely asked the Korean guy if would mind moving down just a little bit so the girlfriend could join us. He just sulked and said nothing. I laughed and paid the fool no never mind, but when the fat waitress came by to take our order, she got pissed at the Korean and ordered him to move over which he obediently had to do. Talk about a loss of face. LOL. The girlfriend sat down on my right near the Korean. My girl sat on my left. I ordered 4 shots of Tequila including one for the waitress. The Korean guy continued to sulk while we had another round and started up a real good time. At some point he got up and left having never talked to even one girl. I almost feel sorry for him. Does this sound like I am intimidated by Asian punters or give a damn what they do? I am there to have a good time with my girls which is what always happens. That's why Baccara is my favorite Go Go in BKK.
The most outrageous example of racial discrimination against Caucasians I have ever witnessed is at the Lisboa Race Track in Macau. Picture a high end shopping mall adjacent to prestigious hotel where beautiful Chinese hookers are allowed to free lance as long as they keep on moving and do not congregate. Then picture these gorgeous hotties swarming over some 70 year old geezer with rotten brown teeth, snot coming out of his nose, and tobacco stains running down his chin, trying to coax the old coot to take one or two of them upstairs, while at the same time these same girls pretend that the fit young white guy standing 20 feet away does not exist. It is an hilarious scene in a very unique venue. Think what Siam Paragon would be like if 30 or 40 high end FL's were allowed to parade about in evening dresses and high heels 24 hours a day on the ground floor among all the shoppers and tourists. I like to stop by the Lisboa Racetrack for 15 minutes or so whenever I am in the neighborhood and take in the scene. Then I head off to one of my favorite Saunas to have a really good time with even better looking Chinese girls who do not practice discrimination. In the 6 years I have been going to Macau, I have had some great Chinese girls, but I only once had a filly. It was 100% her idea to shag me and she was very hot. Again, I feel it is the racetrack fillies loss.
[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;1613572]
After reading this thread, I am very sorry to hear what you guys experienced.
Sadly, this kind of scenario happens everywhere and all over the world, when you are a minority in a certain environment.
I am of East Asian descent, so I am always mistaken as a Japanese from Japan or a Chinese from China.
When I was in Bangkok, I experienced the reverse scenario. I was harshly rejected by some Russian / Eastern European freelancers.
They kept saying "No! I am busy!" and showing no interest of earning my money at all.
They were obviously desperate for business at that time, but they turned me down without hesitation after staring at my face for few seconds.
I saw them happily accept customers of every ethnicity, except for people who look like Japanese or Chinese.
To be frank, I did feel offended, annoyed, and frustrated at that point.
But what could I do?
It's just the way it is.
It's their choice to give up a nice customer no matter what the real reason was.[/QUOTE]It's unfortunate to hear that you got rejected by Eastern European (who are mostly CIS) FL's, I guess you are right when you say that discrimination in one form or another exists and being a minority in a given circumstance does tend to turn the tables on you. Don't give them any thought, these WGs who rejected you, it is clearly their loss. From what I have heard, the CIS WGs in Bangkok provide terrible service and it is just a waste of money, so in a way they may have done you a big favour. Also, as Natty suggested, one can try showing interest in a girl who shows the same amount (and kind) of interest in you, otherwise there will be no chemistry so to speak and even for ST purposes you will end up with a star fish.
What you could do is perhaps keep looking at the CIS WGs (if that is your preference) and you will surely find someone who shows adequate interest in you. However, you will likely go through a few such embarrassing incidents in order to find a CIS WG who is equally interested in you (and your money).
Thanks for the clarifying on the Arab issue. I will avoid going to such place.
[QUOTE=KetanMehta;1613529]Look for street hawkers who sells sex toys at night. They have alprazolam, viagra etc.[/QUOTE]It would be more correct to say these hawkers have boxes which say "Alprazolam" and "Viagra" and such. Whether the contents match the printing on the box is anybody's guess.
[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1613646]It's unfortunate to hear that you got rejected by Eastern European (who are mostly CIS) FL's, I guess you are right when you say that discrimination in one form or another exists and being a minority in a given circumstance does tend to turn the tables on you. Don't give them any thought, these WGs who rejected you, it is clearly their loss. From what I have heard, the CIS WGs in Bangkok provide terrible service and it is just a waste of money, so in a way they may have done you a big favour. Also, as Natty suggested, one can try showing interest in a girl who shows the same amount (and kind) of interest in you, otherwise there will be no chemistry so to speak and even for ST purposes you will end up with a star fish.
What you could do is perhaps keep looking at the CIS WGs (if that is your preference) and you will surely find someone who shows adequate interest in you. However, you will likely go through a few such embarrassing incidents in order to find a CIS WG who is equally interested in you (and your money).[/QUOTE]Wow so even in BKK CIS girls are known to provide horrible service.
But thank you everyone for the feedback and lots of good reading for my up coming trip within a month.
Will surely report back.
[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;1613467]Bacarra chick was ready for threesome.
Her friend was little plump than my taste.
Sweet girl but no DFK, should have negotiated better.
Her name was Ploy and Aap was available in package deal.
Her sugar daddy is giving Iphone.
If you get an Iphone in US cheap and unlock it then few Baccara girls are cheaper than regular thermae.[/QUOTE]Was she (and the other girl) a dancer or hostess? The difference is in the dressing and service performed, the hostesses generally dress in a black cocktail dress and do not get up on stage and the dancers dress in a variety of translucent two pieces and they get up on stage to shuffle and then entertain guests, if requested. Reason I ask, is that I once got propositioned by two hostesses at Bacarra for a threesome and like you mentioned it was a package deal. Not heard of dancers also offering up such packages, I am sure it is possible.
[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;1613572]No offence here. I am just curious about the reason you said this.
Why would someone be intimidated by the Asian customers?
Did the Asian customers (with Japanese customers being the majority) bother you / harass you / make fun of you (because you were the minority there) when you were in Baccara?[/QUOTE]None of the above really. I have never experienced any problems from Japanese dudes. In fact the ones that I have spoken to (that spoke English) have been great to talk to.
It is really about expectations. The Japanese don't bargain. They pay what it asked. The also seem to expect less (at least that is what the gals tell me). They let the gal set the tone and run the session. So for the gals it is more money and less work. I get it. Most Thai WGs really don't seem to like sex. There are exceptions and most of those prefer Western dudes. Mind you I said, Western and that would include Western guys of Asian decent who have well, Western expectation.
[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1613687]Was she (and the other girl) a dancer or hostess? The difference is in the dressing and service performed, the hostesses generally dress in a black cocktail dress and do not get up on stage and the dancers dress in a variety of translucent two pieces and they get up on stage to shuffle and then entertain guests, if requested. Reason I ask, is that I once got propositioned by two hostesses at Bacarra for a threesome and like you mentioned it was a package deal. Not heard of dancers also offering up such packages, I am sure it is possible.[/QUOTE]She was on the stage.
She just started working last year.
Hostesses were either fat or old.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1613703]
It is really about expectations. The Japanese don't bargain. They pay what it asked. The also seem to expect less (at least that is what the gals tell me). They let the gal set the tone and run the session. So for the gals it is more money and less work. I get it. Most Thai WGs really don't seem to like sex. There are exceptions and most of those prefer Western dudes. Mind you I said, Western and that would include Western guys of Asian decent who have well, Western expectation.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1613620]Now the reasons why some Thai working girls practice racial discrimination and whether they suffer or benefit economically from it's practice is an interesting topic of conversation, but I am too lazy to go into it right now. [/QUOTE]So isn't it economic discrimination (if such a thing exists) rather than racial discrimination? If tomorrow the Russians pay more and expect even less than the Japanese then a lot of the WGs will switch to Russians, won't they?
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1613742]So isn't it economic discrimination (if such a thing exists) rather than racial discrimination? If tomorrow the Russians pay more and expect even less than the Japanese then a lot of the WGs will switch to Russians, won't they?[/QUOTE]Smart people go to where the money is. Has anybody ever jumped jobs for better pay?
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1613742]So isn't it economic discrimination (if such a thing exists) rather than racial discrimination? If tomorrow the Russians pay more and expect even less than the Japanese then a lot of the WGs will switch to Russians, won't they?[/QUOTE]It is not economic discrimination.
I paid slightly more than Japanese but still girl was saying she still prefers Japanese because of less "work" involved.
As per my latest babe from Bacarra Japanese men give lot of respect to girls and agree to her whims as if she is wife.
I am never rude or disrespectful to these sweet girls but still don't get this magic formula Japanese have over Bacarra hotties.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1613703]
The Japanese don't bargain. They pay what it asked. The also seem to expect less (at least that is what the gals tell me). They let the gal set the tone and run the session. So for the gals it is more money and less work. I[/QUOTE]Yep, the working girls love japs as customers! They are very docile and easy to deal with and they finish really fast. They purposely overpay and tip on top of that. They never complain and will comply with every wish of the girl.
The girls rarely lust over japs, however. They just like them for the money. They lust over Thais in general.
[QUOTE=Amjeck;1613756]Yep, the working girls love japs as customers! They are very docile and easy to deal with and they finish really fast. They purposely overpay and tip on top of that. They never complain and will comply with every wish of the girl.
The girls rarely lust over japs, however. They just like them for the money. They lust over Thais in general.[/QUOTE]You hit the nail on the head!
[QUOTE=Amjeck;1613756]Yep, the working girls love japs as customers! They are very docile and easy to deal with and they finish really fast. They purposely overpay and tip on top of that. They never complain and will comply with every wish of the girl.[/QUOTE]Presuming you're in earnest here, about Japanese you may think you know that. Imagine or fantasize you know that. But, unless you are reporting the view as a fly on the wall, this is repeating more useless non-sense.
Now let's hear reports from their great-grandmothers from back in '42.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1613620]That's racial discrimination. [/QUOTE]Yeah, I can totally relate to you guys.
Like I said, I am of East Asian descent. When I was mongering / punting in Western Europe, the racial discrimination and racist acts coming out from both the Caucasian prostitutes and other Caucasian punters were something difficult for me to forget.
It's pathetic that racial discrimination and racist acts are still everywhere and all over the world in 2014.
We mongers / punters all over the world should launch activities against racism, just like what the FIFA is promoting, "Say No to Racism".
[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;1613886]Yeah, I can totally relate to you guys.
Like I said, I am of East Asian descent. When I was mongering / punting in Western Europe, the racial discrimination and racist acts coming out from both the Caucasian prostitutes and other Caucasian punters were something difficult for me to forget.
It's pathetic that racial discrimination and racist acts are still everywhere and all over the world in 2014.
We mongers / punters all over the world should launch activities against racism, just like what the FIFA is promoting, "Say No to Racism".[/QUOTE]But, we mongers also have personal preferences as well. I for one don't really like black chicks. So should a P4 P gal not be allowed to have personal preferences?
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1613077]I prefer Cowboy over Nana over Patpong although there are good Go Go's in all three locations. My favorite Soi Cowboy Go Go's are: Baccara, Crazy House, Suzi Wong, and Shark in that order.[/QUOTE]Thanks much for the informative report. Always nice to get the ground truth from somebody who knows what he's talking about.
Bunky
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1613742]So isn't it economic discrimination (if such a thing exists) rather than racial discrimination? If tomorrow the Russians pay more and expect even less than the Japanese then a lot of the WGs will switch to Russians, won't they?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dg8787;1613749]Smart people go to where the money is. Has anybody ever jumped jobs for better pay?[/QUOTE]
Dg8787, that's exactly what I was trying to say. The girls have economic reasons to prefer Japanese. They go where the easy money is.
Racism has nothing to do with it. Well, maybe a little bit but it's not the main reason.
[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;1613886]Yeah, I can totally relate to you guys.
Like I said, I am of East Asian descent. When I was mongering / punting in Western Europe, the racial discrimination and racist acts coming out from both the Caucasian prostitutes and other Caucasian punters were something difficult for me to forget.
It's pathetic that racial discrimination and racist acts are still everywhere and all over the world in 2014.
We mongers / punters all over the world should launch activities against racism, just like what the FIFA is promoting, "Say No to Racism".[/QUOTE]Yep, just like FIFA.
We say "fuck all hot babes no matter what race or color".
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1614032]Dg8787, that's exactly what I was trying to say. The girls have economic reasons to prefer Japanese. They go where the easy money is.
Racism has nothing to do with it. Well, maybe a little bit but it's not the main reason.[/QUOTE]Agreed! Most of these gals are not in it because they like sex. Duh!
[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;1614041]Yep, just like FIFA.[/QUOTE]Yes, FIFA takes money from all and everyone. No discrimination in that department. ;)
Isn't it nice when top-management gives such a nice example?
Back from Bacarra.
All hotties (as per me) straight away went to their sugar daddies who seem regular.
Shark had few cute girls but Bacarra hotties took my expectation level too high.
Long gun, SW had matured ladies left.
Now took pretty Uzbek freelancer near Q-Bar and turned out starfish in bed so posting this useless report.
[QUOTE=Amjeck;1613756]Yep, the working girls love japs as customers! They are very docile and easy to deal with and they finish really fast. They purposely overpay and tip on top of that. They never complain and will comply with every wish of the girl.
The girls rarely lust over japs, however. They just like them for the money. They lust over Thais in general.[/QUOTE]Why would they lust over Thais?
Will their "mini-me" sized tool satisfy them after the guy cums in 3 minutes with no foreplay?
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj8f5amIQwY[/URL]
The TGs generally love me. And I seldom finish before 2 hours, if at all.
Although my target group does not put me in competition with the Japanese.
I have 3 days in Thailand. Do you think it is worth going extra mile to Pattaya given the time I have? If price or quality of girls are similar, than would prefer to stay in Bangkok only.
Look forward to opinion from fellow mongers.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1614072]Agreed! Most of these gals are not in it because they like sex. Duh![/QUOTE]Think of yourself as a P4 P provider. Would you rather haggle the price with some bloke and then get the hell fucked out of you for the next 90 to 150 minutes (or even all night long), or name your price that is immediately accepted and then have your john finish in 3 minutes or so after some sex toy play?
[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;1614245]
Long gun, SW had matured ladies left.
[/QUOTE]SW has a lot of excessively young girls. By matured, I guess you mean 20 years old or so. Be careful or you sound like a paedophile. LOL Perhaps you arrived far too late when the better girls are gone. I never had a problem with how mature they were.
If you really refer to chubby girls, there are a lot of those even at a young age. They eat and drink too much rubbish and not allowed to do Ice, which I believe assisted many to keep the weight down in the past.
It is bad timing if you don't show up early enough.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1614032]Dg8787, that's exactly what I was trying to say. The girls have economic reasons to prefer Japanese. They go where the easy money is.
Racism has nothing to do with it. Well, maybe a little bit but it's not the main reason.[/QUOTE]Girls have economic reasons to prefer me too. Any guy that does not interfere with their best money making possibilities is welcome, even if he is not Japanese, and even he is prone to fucking a longer time, as long as isn't a pile driver. Some girls tell me its actually a misconception that Japanese only fuck 5 minutes. Maybe some do, but there are long duration guys as well. Its not misconception that they pay better. I am not Japanese, by the way.
It does surprise me how keen some can be for a particular girl in a very short time, like virtually "in love" very quickly. However love that comes so quick also goes very quick. I know some Japanese guys.
Landed in Suvarnabhumi at 7 am on Wednesday after an 10 hour business class flight from Europe so was feeling quite relaxed given the circumstances, slight headache from free beers, gin tonics, red wine and champagne in the lounge at theairport and in the plane. Came here to iCheckInn Nana hotel and arrived at 8. 20 am and was told that the check in time is 2 PM, which meant that I had to stand and walk around like a zombie a few hours after staying the night up in the Plane. They had finally promised me my room at 12 and after a final 15 cm parmesan-oregano sandwich at Subway (with chilli sauce) I was ready to go to bed. Slept from 1-4 PM, which meant a 3 hour "night".
Woke up, had a shower and went out, first to have a meal and a large chang beer at Food Corner soi 5, which is my regular place for food. Walked to Soi Cowboy and checked first time the new Gogo Crazyhouse. It was already packed full with Japanese drinking tea and westerners drinking beer. Some ok looking girls but I didn't like the atmosphere here. Almost talked to no-one except a nude 18-year-old girl with a nice ass. After a beer I moved to Suzie Wong and instantly ran into a nude girl who said she was from Cambodia. 25 yo. Was feeling horny so had a short time with her in the room. Nothing special. Could have had a BBBJ but declined. She asked me if she should "smoke", which always annoys me (do they think my dick is a cigarette or something). I passed that, covered up and had her in 2-3 positions and ended up coming quickly as expected. Then had a beer feeling relaxed and bought another LD.
Tried to take a taxi to Nana plaza but made a mistake of being on the wrong side of Sukhumvit road (getting to the other side not very safe in many spots) and the driver used some shortcuts and finally the last alley was closed. I ended up walking a long way through soi 3 to soi 4. Went to Mercury and there was a young looking line up. Ended up in short time room with a 19 yo girl. Nothing special. She also had a baby 3 months (don't they all), which she said got started while working in Nana. So probably a western father. Hard life. I spent time there until they closed at 2 am.
It had started to rain and outside Spanky's I said "fon tok" to a girl sitting there and started talking with her. We went inside Spankys too for drinks. They finished too and I ended up taking 3 girls to eat something (don't know why it alwways seems a good idea when so drunk, burning money like that). After eating khao pad gai I ended up taking the girl to the room. As usual was too drunk to come at least with a condom. When woke up the next day was terrible because of too many drinks so all day was lost for resting. Had a painkiller and ate a burger with a beer at V8 Diner. Before tried to have sex with the girl but heavy drinking still got its toll. Finally took condom off and it was ok if just come on her belly (wonder if it was too risky still doing BB with a gogo girl). Finally with shaking hands and hangover I came on her stomach. Huh, what a day.
After 1 day of resting I hooked up with a girl from WeChat through its find a person nearby -function. A girl, almost a MILF 40 years old, who had 2 kids (which I later saw in the school uniforms on the street). First her looks were a bit disappointing compared to her picture but still ok. Again ended up BBing and twice shot a load on her butt from behind. Nice fun it was in all positions. She said I was her 3rd customer. Who knows, but she said she just started freelance after breaking up with her farang bf (maybe still risky).
The night went on sitting mainly in street bars and playing pool with a 40 yo MILF in Soi 5 alley in Country road bar. Free pool until 7 PM and happy hour beers 80 baht. Also visited Madrid Bar at Patpong, not a bad place to hang out for some time. A great contrast with a bit older ladies. Talked to someone ok looking 42 yo, who had her period so that was it. At 4 AM decided to call it a night and went to have a BigMac in McD in Robinsons. Talked to 2 ladyboys in the next table and when leaving I talked to a girl sitting at another table. Looked like a freelancer of course. Made maybe a mistake not going to sleep and instead was in shower with her at 5 am and having sex at 6 am, or trying to have, Could not come despite BB but finished twice when woke up in the afternoon, once inside too (maybe stupid again). She was heading to Mixx tonight, my day was a hell again after too many drinks. Could not almost close the buttons of my shirt with shaking hands. My age is too much for this (almost 40) so had to rest again. Have to pay attention to the amount of alcohol as my heart might not take it anymore, have some palpatations and feel like the heart rhytm will soon have some problems if keep drinking so much and can't sleep.
Today was just resting, eating and NO BEERS AT ALL. Maybe tomorrow. Does anyone know a good pool bar in a sense that you could go there alone and play with a girl? I was at Gullivers at 6 pm but was dead quiet, almost no girls at all. Even better if the girl could be later barfinable. In Pattaya it is so easy to find a game, which does not seem to be like that here in BKK or I just haven't found the right places.
[QUOTE=TempStories;1614426]I have 3 days in Thailand. Do you think it is worth going extra mile to Pattaya given the time I have? If price or quality of girls are similar, than would prefer to stay in Bangkok only.
Look forward to opinion from fellow mongers.[/QUOTE]To Temp.
I think you are better off just stay in Bangkok for 3 days no enough time for Pattaya you need one week, If you never been to Pattaya just go on a day trip to see what is like Pattaya is much cheaper than BKK but quality is not as good.
Fast eddie 48.
[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;1614655]Today was just resting, eating and NO BEERS AT ALL. Maybe tomorrow. [/QUOTE]In spite of the alcohol, you have done very well. Great report. Enjoyed it very much.
[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;1614655]Could have had a BBBJ but declined[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;1614655]Again ended up BBing and twice shot a load on her butt from behind.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;1614655]Could not come despite BB but finished twice when woke up in the afternoon, once inside too (maybe stupid again).[/QUOTE]It must be true that alcohol destroys braincells at an alarming rate: you decline BBBJ with an agogo girl, but happily go BB with freelancers.
[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;1614655]Today was just resting, eating and NO BEERS AT ALL. Maybe tomorrow. Does anyone know a good pool bar in a sense that you could go there alone and play with a girl? I was at Gullivers at 6 pm but was dead quiet, almost no girls at all. Even better if the girl could be later barfinable. In Pattaya it is so easy to find a game, which does not seem to be like that here in BKK or I just haven't found the right places.[/QUOTE]The Clubhouse Sports bar and restaurant has a nice pool table ([URL]http://www.theclubhousebangkok.com/about-the-clubhouse/[/URL]). It is in Sukhumvit Soi 23, within easy walking distance of Soi Cowboy. ([URL]https://www.google.be/maps/@13.738395,100.563016,3a,75y,268.5h,91.41t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sSNKvi4mbED-YztbsWeYu-Q!2e0?hl=nl[/URL]).
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1614552] Some girls tell me its actually a misconception that Japanese only fuck 5 minutes. Maybe some do, but there are long duration guys as well. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1614326]Why would they lust over Thais?
Will their "mini-me" sized tool satisfy them after the guy cums in 3 minutes with no foreplay?[/QUOTE]
Syzygies,
I think you are right. I think it's a persistent misunderstanding that Asian guys and in particular Japanese and Koreans always have small dicks, always come in 3 minutes and don't care much for long sessions.
Maybe the fact that this board has mainly caucasian members has something to do with this myth?
PinkPearl,
Maybe the Thai girls lust over Thai men because.... well, because they are Thai?
And the girls have "mini-me" sized tools too of course, LOL! (or is that also a myth?)
[QUOTE=TempStories;1614426]I have 3 days in Thailand. Do you think it is worth going extra mile to Pattaya given the time I have? If price or quality of girls are similar, than would prefer to stay in Bangkok only.
Look forward to opinion from fellow mongers.[/QUOTE]3 days in Bangkok or 3 days in Pattaya doesn't make much difference, it's both too short!
But seriously, I think Bangkok is better if you limit your stay to the Sukhumvit area near Nana and Soi Cowboy like most of us do. It's more compact compared to Pattaya that can be quite overwhelming if you only have 3 days.
On the other hand: Pattaya is cheaper and only a 2,5 hour bus ride away. So if you're on a budget you can better go to Pattaya.
Nice FR,
At least you are honest that you did BB. Just be careful next time, Alcohol + sex drive can lead to some wrong decisions. Hopefully nothing bad will come out of this.
Good luck.
[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;1614655]Landed in Suvarnabhumi at 7 am on Wednesday after an 10 hour business class flight from Europe so was feeling quite relaxed given the circumstances, slight headache from free beers, gin tonics, red wine and champagne in the lounge at theairport and in the plane. Came here to iCheckInn Nana hotel and arrived at 8. 20 am and was told that the check in time is 2 PM, which meant that I had to stand and walk around like a zombie a few hours after staying the night up in the Plane. They had finally promised me my room at 12 and after a final 15 cm parmesan-oregano sandwich at Subway (with chilli sauce) I was ready to go to bed. Slept from 1-4 PM, which meant a 3 hour "night".
Woke up, had a shower and went out, first to have a meal and a large chang beer at Food Corner soi 5, which is my regular place for food. Walked to Soi Cowboy and checked first time the new Gogo Crazyhouse. It was already packed full with Japanese drinking tea and westerners drinking beer. Some ok looking girls but I didn't like the atmosphere here. Almost talked to no-one except a nude 18-year-old girl with a nice ass. After a beer I moved to Suzie Wong and instantly ran into a nude girl who said she was from Cambodia. 25 yo. Was feeling horny so had a short time with her in the room. Nothing special. Could have had a BBBJ but declined. She asked me if she should "smoke", which always annoys me (do they think my dick is a cigarette or something). I passed that, covered up and had her in 2-3 positions and ended up coming quickly as expected. Then had a beer feeling relaxed and bought another LD.
Tried to take a taxi to Nana plaza but made a mistake of being on the wrong side of Sukhumvit road (getting to the other side not very safe in many spots) and the driver used some shortcuts and finally the last alley was closed. I ended up walking a long way through soi 3 to soi 4. Went to Mercury and there was a young looking line up. Ended up in short time room with a 19 yo girl. Nothing special. She also had a baby 3 months (don't they all), which she said got started while working in Nana. So probably a western father. Hard life. I spent time there until they closed at 2 am...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1614544]SW has a lot of excessively young girls. By matured, I guess you mean 20 years old or so. Be careful or you sound like a paedophile. LOL Perhaps you arrived far too late when the better girls are gone. I never had a problem with how mature they were.
If you really refer to chubby girls, there are a lot of those even at a young age. They eat and drink too much rubbish and not allowed to do Ice, which I believe assisted many to keep the weight down in the past.
It is bad timing if you don't show up early enough.[/QUOTE]
What time do you suggest you should arrive at SW to ensure that you can see all of the best talent available, before they disappear out the door on the arm of one their regulars?
[QUOTE=LoverboyJerico;1614732]Dude, you were barebacking!! I feel scared in spite of having sex always with condoms!! How did you get the balls to bareback. You're sure in some terrible STD danger!![/QUOTE]Well I just can't finish with a condom when drunk or the next morning after drinking. Condoms are so unnatural, it is not the way it was meant to be. Of course I understand there is some risk involved but usually I just prefer staying away from sex to having sex with condoms. Every time after STD tests I promise myself I won't do bareback sex again but then after drinking I can't resist the temptation. I understand this habit should change now.
Last trip I had BB sex with about 3 girls in Thailand and 3 in the Philippines and did not catch any STDs. I know I am good in choosing girls that are the most unlikely to have STDs. In Bali last time I only had sex with condoms except once when I trusted the girl and she also made me promise that I did not have any STDs. Once I had such a bad feeling after noticing that the girl with me was very popular and known there so I didn't bareback that time.
Of course it doesn't guarantee anything if the girl says that she is afraid if she doesn't use "Only with you". Or you just use the gut feeling about the safety. But it makes the odds better she doesn't really have anything. Bangkok girls working in a normal 7 eleven or a store are very, very unlikely to have HIV. And Gogos have STD tests every month and probably throw away HIV positive girls. About freelancers I'm not sure. I think it is the biggest percentage there. But after talking to the girl you can profile her and make your estimation about the risks.
Of course this is stupid and I try to change this. Like my friend said you can't really see if someone has an HIV or not and she might not even know that. All in all, in vaginal sex the risk is like 1/1000 assuming she has it. It becomes 1/10 000 if there is a 10% chance she has it. That is almost impossible odds. And 10% might be too high in Thailand.
[QUOTE=TempStories;1614426]I have 3 days in Thailand. Do you think it is worth going extra mile to Pattaya given the time I have? If price or quality of girls are similar, than would prefer to stay in Bangkok only.
Look forward to opinion from fellow mongers.[/QUOTE]Bangkok is well stocked with whatever you are looking for.
[QUOTE=LoverboyJerico;1614732]Dude, you were barebacking!! I feel scared in spite of having sex always with condoms!! How did you get the balls to bareback. You're sure in some terrible STD danger!![/QUOTE]By reading the report, his danger of having caught STD (by the way, the safe sex forum is not this one, but another one) is minimal compared to the damages occurring to his liver and heart.
[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;1613886]
It's pathetic that racial discrimination and racist acts are still everywhere and all over the world in 2014.[/QUOTE]The more time you spend in Thailand, the more racism you see -- ethnic Thais vs ethnic Chinese, everybody vs ethnic Khmer.
Sad.
[QUOTE=OsakaGin11;1614892]What time do you suggest you should arrive at SW to ensure that you can see all of the best talent available, before they disappear out the door on the arm of one their regulars?[/QUOTE]Personally I would arrive between 8 and 9 PM. One girl is a special case though and I often phone to met her at SW at 6:30 PM for ST. If I was to take her long time, then would be different procedure. She doesn't like to do long time on busy nights. However possible to get her for LT at end of the night after she returns from ST. In that case I wait at bar for her to return. The staff will tell her when she arrives and she will weigh up the options available at the time. On quiet nights, LT is more easy to arrange.
You must understand a busy girl who has several guys all wanting her on the same night is reluctant to take LT and lose money and disgruntle some good customers at the same time. This is not your average girl, of course. I think we are talking popular girls.
[QUOTE=Etaoin2003;1615014]The more time you spend in Thailand, the more racism you see -- ethnic Thais vs ethnic Chinese, everybody vs ethnic Khmer.
Sad.[/QUOTE]My favourite bargirl is Cambodian. The Thais look down on her because her skin is brownish. However I would not call it racism. She speaks Thai pretty well but Thais can tell, and even I can tell some words sound strange. Other bargirls may dislike her, because she has such a cute face and cute body and has power over a large percentage of the men in the place. She can enter the bar and have a customer hooked in a matter of minutes. Meanwhile some other girls do not have it and are not making money.
The brown skinned Isaan girls are looked down on just the same. Thais like white skin.
However, I agree there is plenty of "Racism" but its an over used term. There is a touch of racism in all of us. We unconsciously make generalisations about the way people from other cultures will behave strangely. I can also make generalisations about which types may smell bad (underarm BO) including some of own countrymen. However I don't dislike anyone merely from their race. Each individual can be an exception to the classic generalisations. I like black girls, brown girls, white girls, all colours, and I don't care where they come from if they are beautiful. However my concept of beauty could be racially distorted.
I don't think any of us should pretend we are completely free of racial biases. There is plenty of research evidence to the contrary.
[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;1614925]Of course this is stupid and I try to change this. Like my friend said you can't really see if someone has an HIV or not and she might not even know that. All in all, in vaginal sex the risk is like 1/1000 assuming she has it. It becomes 1/10 000 if there is a 10% chance she has it. That is almost impossible odds. And 10% might be too high in Thailand.[/QUOTE]In Germany, lotteries have to clearly announce the odds of winning the first prize. When on a recent (mongering) trip in Germany I heard that the odds of winning the first prize in the State Lottery was 1 in 59 million. Would you play that lottery? A few euros gives you the possibility to win a few million euros. Yet millions of people play that lottery where they have next to no chance of winning.
A recent meta-study (Patel, P. , et al. ; "Estimating per-act HIV transmission risk: a systematic review", AIDS 2014,28: 1509-1519) found an average of 4 infections per 10 000 insertive penile-vaginal sex acts. With a prevalence of HIV / AIDS in Thailand of 1.2% (2011 data) in the general population and (estimated) between 4 and 5% with sex workers working in "commercial sex establishments", the actual odds are more like 1 in 50 000.
But 1 in 50 000 are not "impossible odds", by far. Certainly not if you are gambling with your life. You do realize that if there is a 1 in 50 000 chance of an event happening, if you try it 500 times, there is a cumulative total chance of almost 1% the event will happen in this series of 500? How many times will you BB in a few years? I you are exposed to only 1 BB per week, you will have reached 500 in 10 years time.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1615048]But 1 in 50 000 are not "impossible odds", by far. Certainly not if you are gambling with your life. You do realize that if there is a 1 in 50 000 chance of an event happening, if you try it 500 times, there is a cumulative total chance of almost 1% the event will happen in this series of 500? How many times will you BB in a few years? I you are exposed to only 1 BB per week, you will have reached 500 in 10 years time.[/QUOTE]On the other hand HIV might not be your life. If you catch HIV now you have at least 15-25 years life expectancy. It means if you are 40 now then even without HIV you might die at the age of 55-65 anyway because of heart attack or something else. Plus you have to add to this that 15-25 years is a long time, it is very possible that until then there will be a cure to remove HIV and it will be history anyway. You risk your life everyday when you cross the street. You might be run over be a drunk driver and killed instantly, not in 20 years.
I found out tonight that in some of the bars there are really, really young girls in BKK, I think you know what I mean. But I barfined a girl aged 25 years. Unfortunately she had 2 kids and some scarves but she and her friends at the gogo bar told me that she had only worked for 12 days there. And she actually wasn't dancing there, she had a staff uniform and was cleaning tables and collecting money. She told that she never had a farang before, only thai boyfriend. Of course you never know if all of this is true but she really had a staff uniform. That's why I thought the risk of my BB CIP I did was reduced and very small.
I thing among thais BB sex is the norm. Only going to work in bars teaches the girls about condoms.
[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;1615063]On the other hand HIV might not be your life. If you catch HIV now you have at least 15-25 years life expectancy. It means if you are 40 now then even without HIV you might die at the age of 55-65 anyway because of heart attack or something else. Plus you have to add to this that 15-25 years is a long time, it is very possible that until then there will be a cure to remove HIV and it will be history anyway. You risk your life everyday when you cross the street. You might be run over be a drunk driver and killed instantly, not in 20 years.[/QUOTE]It is exactly this kind of reasoning that I fight against. There is no reason to needlessly add to all the risks you already run by not taking some simple precautions. Do you cross the street without checking the traffic because you can anyhow die of foodpoisoning; or don't wear a safetybelt in your car because you might anyhow be killed by a homicidal maniac around the corner? Even if you have less chance now to develop full blown AIDS when you catch HIV, you are now a source of this infection, so at least have some consideration for your fellow mongers. As long as there is no vaccine against HIV, use of condoms is the best strategy to curb the spread of this disease --- unless you believe in abstinence and "be faithful".
[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;1615063]I thing among thais BB sex is the norm. Only going to work in bars teaches the girls about condoms.[/QUOTE]That may be the case now, unfortunately. Prior to 2007 or so, Thailand had very strong HIV / AIDS awareness campaigns with a very strong emphasis and condom-use. And they managed to bring down the spread of HIV significantly, so BB among Thai was then certainly not the norm. Alas, now the major part of the HIV / AIDS budget goes to Anti-Retroviral Therapy and the "new" generation of sex-workers is far less aware of the dangers of BB due to the lack of information.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1615048]When on a recent (mongering) trip in Germany I heard that the odds of winning the first prize in the State Lottery was 1 in 59 million. Would you play that lottery? [/QUOTE]
Yes I would, because there is always one person that wins the lottery and that person could be me!
What if everybody thinks "the odds are too low, I will never win"? Then nobody joins it, it goes bankrupt and nobody wins any money at all. That's no fun!
By the way guys, please move your safe sex discussion to the appropriate thread before this 'peaceful' thread turns into a warzone again!
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1615235]Yes I would, because there is always one person that wins the lottery and that person could be me!
What if everybody thinks "the odds are too low, I will never win"? Then nobody joins it, it goes bankrupt and nobody wins any money at all. That's no fun![/QUOTE]Before the government took over the lottery in the USA, it was known as the numbers racket and it was run by the mafia. The lottery in its present form is nothing more than a tax on mostly poor people. The odds of wining this particular German lottery is 1 in 59 million. Compare that to the odds of being in an airline crash which is 1 in 11 million. Yet everybody reading this post bets their life against the 1 in 11 million shot when travelling to Thailand for a little nooky. Therefore it makes no economic sense to bet on a 1 in 59 million shot. If you add up all the money you have thrown away on the lottery I bet you could have a real good time in BKK.
The lottery exists because it is good for the government and no other reason. It is still the numbers racket. Think Vito Corleone. What I find humorous in all this is how the public perception has changed over time concerning the lottery since it was first made legal thanks to the power of government propaganda. To see what I am talking about check out this really good numbers racket movie called "Force of Evil" with John Garfield circa 1948. What a difference between then and now, but the lottery hasn't changed. It is still essentially preying on the people who can least afford it. It is still a force of evil. LOL.
A few days in Bangkok.
A business trip to Myanmar provided the opportunity to visit Bangkok for the first time. Focusing on work was a challenge, as my thoughts would drift to streets full of lovely Thai ladies ready and willing to satisfy my carnal desires. My appetite for flesh is large and constantly obsessing over the coming debauchery made those few days seem like months.
Thailand is a lovely place with great food, friendly people and, most importantly, beautiful women. I wanted to visit a wide variety of soapy and oily parlors and largely avoid the bars. I had a great time and below is my report.
Note: I wasn't sure where to post my full report so for continuity I put it here. I've also pasted my soapy, oily, and Annie's reviews in the proper thread for consistency. Anyway, it is long but hopefully it will be useful for first time visitors.
Day 1. Ready to explode.
Exhausted from travel, and chaotic streets, I decided to have drinks at Gulliver's. Plenty of girls of varying quality. Perhaps 30 girls but only a handful I would consider. My intention was to have a few beers and rest for the next few days of debauchery. Unattractive girls approached and I kindly suggested they would have better luck elsewhere. A petite, 20 something, semi-pro sat down. She spoke English, with a lovely short skirt and tight blouse. I couldn't resist. Chatted, had a drink then left for the hotel. Agreed to 1500 S / T.
I understood my hotel had a joiner fee but nothing was said as we cruised past reception. Nice massage followed by 90 minutes of hard pounding. She was somewhat docile but, once dripping wet, she let lose. I enjoyed myself and considered it a good start to the trip.
Day 2. 101 Premier and BK48.
Decided for an early day oily. Walked over to Sukhumvit soi 26 to visit 101 Premier. Only 1145 so my expectations for a large selection were limited. Assumed there would be something nice to play with. Five Japanese guys waited to be served. The lady gave me the book, which provided an idea of what was available, but I needed to see in person. Only eight girls, and three looked interesting. The choice was easy. Her name was Lily.
I decided on the two-hour oil massage. Paid a little more for the room with a bathtub. She had a lovely body. Augmented breasts were not as soft as I like but she was very attractive so it didn't bother me. She had nice curves in all the right places.
I enjoyed the session. Great action with her on top after the bath than finish in mish. Adequate massage with nice genital play. Fantastic second round where she released a gusher all over my shaft. I finished on her breasts. Gave her a nice tip for a job well done.
Price: 2400 + tip.
Location: Sukhumvit soi 26.
Rooms: Extremely basic set-up, but good size and well kept.
Selection: For the time of day, the selection was solid.
Session: Lily was excellent. Not much English but great body and service.
Recommend: Yes for both the girl and parlor.
Around 1700 it was time to try another oily near my hotel. BK48 was recommended on another forum. Walked over to Sukhumvit soi 22. The parlor was located down a side street and easy to find. When I entered it was clearly not the same standard as 101 Premier.
The mamasan kept pushing a girl on me so, without seeing the lineup in person, I decided to go with the recommendation. The girl, called Ice, was young and cute, but her photos were doctored.
The room was small, dingy and hot. Stripped and proceeded to the shower. She had a nice little body with perky A-cups. The massage, if it can be called that, was a nonevent. She unfortunately wrapped up little Scorcher for the BJ. A libido killer indeed. Her technique was fine but covered oral is lame. Maybe it was her age, but she needs practice at her craft. Not terrible, but inexperienced. Little Scorcher lost interest quickly and decided to call it quits halfway through. Jerked off on her chest and hit the road.
Price: 2400.
Location: Side street off Sukhumvit soi 22.
Rooms: Small, dingy and hot.
Selection: Marginal.
Session: Boring.
Recommend: No for girl or parlor.
Day 3. Nataree and Annie's Massage.
Lovely Sunday morning and time for a soapy. Browsed reviews on numerous forums and decided on Nataree. Grabbed the MRT to Huay Kwang station. Clearly the soapy district of Bangkok.
Arrived at 1300, and only 10 girls. Had a beer and observed the layout. Little lovelies started filtering in 20 minutes later. Chatted with the papasan for a few minutes. Only a few girls in the fish bowl and 10 sideliners. In came a tiny little thing with great breasts and smoking hot body. Her name was Min. Booked for 2600.
She was 20 years old from some one-donkey town in rural Thailand. Speaks some English. Her snotty attitude made me hard. My impression was she was used to 3-minute heroes that grovel over her beauty. Despite my appearance of an early 40's accountant this little thing had no idea what little Scorcher had in store. Time for an attitude adjustment.
We stripped and her body was magnificent. Perfect see-cups and fit little body. Her eyes widened when she realized the difference between little Scorcher and her typical 3-inch, 3-minute hero. Lame little bath, marginal massage, but I didn't care about that. Easing into the real action took some effort but, once dripping wet and wide open, she was fantastic. Numerous positions and excellent climax for both.
When I returned to the main parlor area there were at least 30, mostly attractive, girls. It was a wonderful site; my jaw nearly hit the floor.
Price: 2600 plus tip.
Location: Near Huay Kwang Station.
Rooms: Basic but good size bed and bath.
Selection: Excellent.
Session: Excellent.
Recommend: Big yes for both girl and parlor.
I chatted with the papasan about the additional fee for foreigners at many of the parlors. He told me it was entirely a matter of size. When I asked why he didn't charge the extra fee his explanation was interesting. If a non-Asian selects a girl, pays the fee, and for some reason the girl can't handle the size, the monger is stuck with a BJ or HJ. No refund.
Later on that night, I wanted to have a look at Nana Plaza and try the self described "World Famous" Annie's Massage just a few blocks away. I assumed a soapy with its own thread on ISG must be worth a visit. I was excited to visit Annie's. When I arrived it was well below the standard of soapy parlors on Huay Kwang.
I entered around 2100 to see what was available. The facility is old but the history adds charm. On a scale of 1-10, the girls were a five. Given the mediocre selection I naively expected better service. None of the girls were smoking hot like the other soapy parlors but I was committed and selected girl #18. She looked slutty and figured she would be frisky and, perhaps, a little dirty. Not even close. Her implants were like rocks, terrible BBBJ, and she gave the lamest fake moans.
Following the typical soapy ritual we hit the bed. Three minutes of sex and she started complaining about my pole size than insisted only BJ or HJ. Not sure how she can be a hooker and not be able to take a slightly large cock. She continued with a lame HJ, and those god awful fake moans. Little Scorcher was losing interest. I decided to cut my losses and jerk off on her fake tits. One of the lamest mongering experiences I've had.
Price: 2500 no tip.
Location: Near Nana Complex off Sukhumvit soi 4.
Rooms: Could use an update.
Selection: On a scale of 1-10, it would be a 5.
Session: Terrible. On a scale of 1-10, it would be a 1.
Recommend: Annie's is well known for a reason so maybe it was bad luck. With all the alternatives available I would not return.
After the lame session I walked over to Nana Complex for beer and some eye candy. Went to Mandarin and met a stunner called Beau. No session, just a drink and flirtation. Would return later.
Day 4. Soapy Scan / Oline and Cherry Massage.
I wanted to try the Alaina Complex near the Thai Cultural Center. I ended up stopping at three different locations before repeating Nataree. The visits were between 1800 and 1930.
Alaina Complex.
Only a few mongers when I entered. The complex is new and large. There was around 15 girls. The pricing structure was strange. There were five-categories with prices ranging from 2600 to 4200. The mamasan tried to explain the price spread but I didn't fully understand. My impression was the younger girls with light skin fetch the premium. The selection was pretty good but nothing caught my interest.
Lords.
Walked about a block to the Lords Complex. The facility is swank and the selection of girls was excellent. There were only five mongers but over 20 girls, and all were attractive. The problem, at least for me, is the insane foreigner charge. The mamasan showed me the prices and they ranged from 4200 to 7200. I asked what the Japanese guy a few seats away would pay and she said 1000 less. For the quality of the girls, the prices were still fair. However, I wasn't interested in being penalized because my cock exceeds 3 inches. Off to the next place.
Colonize 2.
Just a few steps away was Colonize 2, a smaller and older soapy. There were probably 15 girls on the bottom floor but none were attractive. This is a bargain soapy with prices ranging from 1700 to 2400. I went upstairs where the so-called "Models" were located but they were only marginally more attractive. Model prices were 2600. The atmosphere was not great. The girls all looked bored and didn't try enticing mongers to do business. Fine if you are on a budget but there are much better alternatives available.
After three stops I decided to return to Nataree. As before, it was loaded with young, beautiful girls on the sidelines, and a handful of busty, slightly older birds in the fishbowl. On the upper sideline, I spotted the most amazing natural breasts I have seen in years. Her name was Oline. Booked for 2600.
Oline has amazing natural the-cups. She has a rose tattoo on her leg and yin / yang on her back. Short hair and in her late 20's. The soapy session was great. Watching her rub soap over those amazing breasts primed my pump. The sex was fairly conventional but watching those lovely breasts bounce around made this session worth every baht.
Nataree is a great soapy. The layout is basic, but the selection was the by far the best. Only complaint is that it was covered oral both times. I think it is the preference of the girl and not a club policy. I should have confirmed beforehand. Admittedly, I would have still gone with both my selections despite the CBJ. I recommend guys that love breasts check out Oline. Fun experience.
Jumped on the MRT and headed back to my hotel. Seeing all the hot Thai girls in short skirts got the testosterone rising. All of my sessions had been, except Annie's, with really attractive ladies but very conventional sex. I wanted some dirty PSE.
Arrived at Cherry Massage on Sukhumvit soi 24/1. The parlor is old and dated, but is well known for the PSE service. I read reviews of Ice on the forum and had to take a run at it. She was available when I arrived. Booked 1. 5 hours for 2400 baht.
Ice is late 30's, maybe 40. Her face shows age but fit body. Her enhancements felt more natural than the other silicone in Thailand. A kooky personality I found sort of charming.
It didn't take long before I knew this would be a different experience. She unpacked three condoms. Cock and balls in her mouth before I fully undressed. She sucks like a champ; takes the entire thing with excellent deep throat technique. She insisted on anal pounding immediately. Simultaneous vibrator use on her muff while I pounded her. Easily the longest rimming session I've ever had. Apparently she likes providing that service. First shot was a facial. Similar PSE action for round two and second shot on her chest. Sack totally empty.
Price: 2400 plus tip.
Location: Sukhumvit soi 24.
Rooms: Could use an update.
Selection: Pretty good. This is a service, not looks, oriented oily.
Session: As advertised. Full-throttle PSE and worth every baht.
Recommend: Guys should try Cherry Massage, and especially Ice, if given the chance. Not sure I would go back again but it was certainly worth the stop.
Day 5. Take it easy.
After four days of hard pounding and tons of work I decided to settle for an early evening BJ and a good nights rest. I visited the Dr. BJ website a few times before my trip and wanted to give it a try. Certainly not as nice as the website makes it look, but it was fine.
Around 15 girls with only a few being moderately attractive. They were segregated between consultants and nurses but I couldn't tell the difference. The price spread is 300 baht. None were really that attractive but a girl with big glasses and a great smile grabbed my attention. She was girl G. A consultant that charges 1000 baht.
The little BJ room with the chair and sink was semi-private. I had to listen to a drunken idiot next to me babble on, at his top voice, about how horny he was. Real class this guy.
Anyway, Ms. G was a sweet little thing. Nice attitude and a master of her craft. Best BBBJ I had in Thailand. Really relaxing 20 minutes with great climax. Not bad for 1000 baht plus small tip. I would recommend this place for guys that need a quick release.
Day 6. Snow White and Amsterdam.
I went to Snow White around 1300 for some slap and tickle. Located just off the intersection of two busy streets so not exactly discrete. The oily is dated but, like Cherry, is known for good service. There were 10 girls of varying quality. I selected Natlie. She had lovely eyes and nice breasts. Enough curves to survive 90 minutes of hard pounding.
Although I knew it was a game, she played the docile, innocent, village girl wonderfully. I was surprised when she inserted her fingers in a place I'm not keen to have them inserted. Had to let her know if there was going to be anal, she would be on the receiving end! The session was a lot of fun. Great BBBJ, numerous positions, and multiple shots. Not gorgeous but Natlie was attractive, curvy and provided excellent service.
Price: 2100 plus tip.
Location: Sukhumvit soi 26.
Rooms: Could use an update.
Selection: On a scale of 1-10, it would be a 6. Known more for service not looks.
Session: Excellent.
Recommend: Yes for both girl and oily.
Around 2100 took the MRT to Pha Ram 9 station and walked over to Amsterdam. Huge, maybe slightly older, complex in what appeared to be a newer part of Bangkok. I expected there to be more customers but only a handful of Japanese mongers and a few Westerners. The selection of girls was excellent, with 20 to choose from, and in all shapes and sizes. The mamasan, a pushy old bag, explained the pricing. Prices ranged from 3200 to 7000. The foreigner charge was 600.
I scanned the girls and there were some bombshells. Lots of stick thin, silicone beauties on stage. However, I knew if one of these girls was going to survive 90 minutes of little scorcher she better have some curves. In walked Natty (#58) with amazing natural see-cups and sexy ass. She had a natural, village girl look to her. Not the stereotypical, cartoonish Asian doll with inflated tits like many of the others. Booked for 4200.
The room was nice, with a seating area, big bed, and huge bathtub. Natty provided the best bath of all my punts. She took pride in the soapy experience. BBBJ and tit massage were fantastic. Hit the bed and her sexual appetite was satisfying. Numerous positions and excellent climax after 40 minutes of hard pounding. Nice massage to finish the session.
Price: 4200 plus tip.
Location: Near Phan Ram 9 MRT station.
Rooms: Large and comfortable.
Selection: Excellent.
Session: Excellent. Natty had a great personality and provided a great soapy experience.
Recommend: Yes for both girl and soapy. Only complaint was the aggressive mamasan. She constantly bothered me even though I told her numerous times I wanted to enjoy my cigar and beer before selecting. Luckily the girls are hot. Otherwise I would have spent my baht elsewhere.
Day 7. Angel Massage and The Mandarin.
Angel Massage is next to Cherry on Sukhumvit soi 24/1. The entry was nice, and the front desk lady was friendly and helpful. She took me to a small room next to the reception area to view the girls. The selection was good with 12 to choose from. Nadia had innocent eyes, nice breasts and pretty smile. Booked for 2100 plus 200 for the VIP room.
Nadia was a sweet little thing. She had the natural, curvy body I prefer. A soft voice and nice personality. Most importantly, she knows her way around a cock. Great bath with lots of ball licking and sucking. Her technique of sliding her soapy body up and down little Scorcher was wonderful. She was tight, so had to ease into the full service. In the end she provided one of the better overall experiences.
Price: 2100 plus 200 for VIP room plus tip.
Location: Sukhumvit soi 24/1.
Rooms: VIP room was a little small but had nice size bath.
Selection: Pretty good.
Session: Excellent. Nadia was great on all accounts.
Recommend: Yes for both girl and oily.
I decided to take my one and only bargirl from the Nana Complex. Talk about sensory overload. Visually amazing place with sex everywhere. Too loud and too many people for my taste but any man with a pulse can have a good time. I scanned a few of the places and here are a few notes:
Rainbow 4: The busiest of all the bars. One stage with topless girls and the other with bikini top. Girls were mostly attractive. I suppose there were 30 or so working the club. I had a beer and decided to see what else was around.
Rainbow 1: Not busy. Sat down near the stage. Okay selection but nothing compared to 4. Mamasan was a total *****. I sat down to see what was available and she said I had to buy a beer or leave. No wonder it was empty. I split without buying anything. With all of the competition within walking distance I would expect better service.
Obsessions: Accidently walked into the ladyboy bar. Hustled quickly for the exit.
Play School: Small bar with maybe 8 girls on stage and another five or six walking around. I spotted a great looking girl on stage and invited her over for a drink. Had a couple shots and flirted. When she started to play with little Scorcher she said only BJ because too big. I wish she had said something before I spent 400 baht on her drinks. I left annoyed.
Billboard Go Go: Good size bar with interesting shows. Nice big Jacuzzi with three little lovelies covered in soap bubbles. Another stage with top class stripper shows. Nice overall atmosphere. No particular girl caught my eye so just had a beer, enjoyed the show, and left.
Mandarin: Returned hoping to find Beau from the other night. We spotted each other immediately and I bar fined her for 700. She is absolutely stunning. Only 20 years old with a lovely face, sweet smile, and petite body. Not sure if it was true or not, but she told me she has done TV commercials and modeling. I could believe it. On a scale of 1-10, she was an easy 10. Booked 5000 for overnight.
She changed into the sexiest outfit and we left for the hotel. Had a drink, fooled around a little bit. She had the most amazing skin, sweet little nipples, and a perfectly manicured kitten. I could tell she was nervous because of the size. I gave daty to loosen her up but she was still timid. The sex was conventional, almost boring. She was so attractive, tight and sweet that reaching climax was easy despite it all. Slept for a few hours and had another round in the morning.
Beau is absolutely stunning. So if anyone is interested purely in looks give her a try. Just don't expect mind-blowing sex. Her number was 28 at Mandarin.
Day 8: 101 Premier.
I had only a few hours to squeeze in a final session before my afternoon flight. Decided to repeat with Lily at 101 Premier. Same great service as the first time. The sad look on her face when she could only get me to cum once was priceless. She is a real gem, and I highly recommend her and this oily.
Observations:
• The soapy parlors had the best selection of girls. The oily parlors had the best service.
• My personal preference was the relaxed atmosphere of the soupy parlors. Nana Complex, while an amazing experience, is a bit too aggressive for me.
• My favorite soupy, by far, was Naratree. My favorite oily was 101 Premier.
• The pricing structure for the girls didn't impact my trip. My impression was that young, fair skin girls fetch the premiums. I suppose the price model is for Japanese mongers. My preference is for dark brown skin, late 20's, and curvy.
• There were only two things I didn't like. First, the non-Asian foreigner charge is bunk. However, it is how the market works and, even with the added cost, it is still cheap. The most annoying thing was the mamasans. Not all but most were too aggressive for their own good. I can think of two occasions where I didn't do business in a place because of the mamasan was a pushy twat.
• I used Bangkok Redeye Travel Guide extensively. The maps were especially helpful.
This was, by miles, the best mongering experience I've had. Bangkok is absolute paradise.
Scorcher.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1615027]Personally I would arrive between 8 and 9 PM. One girl is a special case though and I often phone to met her at SW at 6:30 PM for ST. If I was to take her long time, then would be different procedure. She doesn't like to do long time on busy nights. However possible to get her for LT at end of the night after she returns from ST. In that case I wait at bar for her to return. The staff will tell her when she arrives and she will weigh up the options available at the time. On quiet nights, LT is more easy to arrange.
You must understand a busy girl who has several guys all wanting her on the same night is reluctant to take LT and lose money and disgruntle some good customers at the same time. This is not your average girl, of course. I think we are talking popular girls.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads up on the best time to hit SW, and if all of my plans go to order, I should be there in BKK some time in the next few days.
Cheers for that.
[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;1614925]All in all, in vaginal sex the risk is like 1/1000 assuming she has it. It becomes 1/10 000 if there is a 10% chance she has it. That is almost impossible odds. And 10% might be too high in Thailand.[/QUOTE]The most recent UNAIDS report (2012) listed the Thai female sex worker HIV rate at about 2 percent. Compared to around one percent of the general population.
An HIV infected person on the best & latest meds is expected with high probability to live a full life span, just like any other person. So a 20 year old to around 70 or 80 years.
I think your policy of selecting girls who are less likely to have STI is an excellent one. I like to BB those who are extremely reluctant to not use a condom. It sometimes takes a few sessions before they finally give it up. Other times they do so on the first date when I show my recent HIV test results & or promise not to cum in them. These things are for her safety.
For your own safety it is quite quick & inexpensive to go with your lady & get her HIV tested at Bumrungrad hospital before having BB sex. They have results in one to three hours. If she tests negative this affords you safety vs HIV comparable to using a condom, without the need to use one.
Additionally, for my own protection, I am circumcised, which also provides significant protection vs HIV & other STI.
If you are interested in more details about any of this, there is lots of discussion in the Thailand Safe Sex thread.
[QUOTE=Scorcher75;1615314]This was, by miles, the best mongering experience I've had. Bangkok is absolute paradise.Scorcher.[/QUOTE]Wow, Scorcher, probably the best field report I've ever read. What size cup was the soapie girl with the big ones? Sometimes you have to spell out bee or see or dee. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Scorcher75;1615314]A few days in Bangkok.
Observations:
The soapy parlors had the best selection of girls. The oily parlors had the best service.
My personal preference was the relaxed atmosphere of the soupy parlors. Nana Complex, while an amazing experience, is a bit too aggressive for me.
My favorite soupy, by far, was Naratree. My favorite oily was 101 Premier.
The pricing structure for the girls didn't impact my trip. My impression was that young, fair skin girls fetch the premiums. I suppose the price model is for Japanese mongers. My preference is for dark brown skin, late 20's, and curvy..[/QUOTE]Day 9: Took citizenship. And checked in to the Shangri La.
Rooms: 10/10
Snooze: 10/10
Rest day for Scorcher: 10/10
Brother, don't get me wrong. Your FR is the stuff of legends. If that was me I would've never made it to Swarnbhumi.
BTW. Did you not try / hear about Cupidy? In all my trips it's been the one zero mile marker to kick rings off. Any negatives about it since (I visited a year back).
[QUOTE=Scorcher75;1615314]
Session: Excellent. Natty had a great personality and provided a great soapy experience.
Recommend: Yes for both girl and soapy. Only complaint was the aggressive mamasan. She constantly bothered me even though I told her numerous times I wanted to enjoy my cigar and beer before selecting. Luckily the girls are hot. Otherwise I would have spent my baht elsewhere.
[/QUOTE]Its good to see you have done your research and tried a good selection of things.
I also had a very annoying papa-san at Amsterdam last time. Its seems they have a silly system where some cheer person follows you from the front door and stays with you the whole time. They are push-push pushing you to select immediately. I virtually told my papa-san to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off, since he was telling me ludicrous lies that there were no more girls, despite me insisting I was going to wait to see who would come out, like I was born yesterday. I have not had the same problem in previous visits to Amsterdam.
My favourite Soapy girl works at Amsterdam, so I have been quite a few times.
The prices at Amsterdam are not that cheap and there is Farang surcharge. How would you compare the price verses quality of girl looks with "The Lord"?
Finally BFed May at Crazy House. Decided to take more because she looked like a little sister of a famous Yok, than for any other reason. Okay She was a hot dancer. Turns out she was a bit sick, coming down with a virus, feeling very rather cold when naked. Was keen to get BFed, get dressed, go for ST and then would be able to go home and get to bed. So I realised she would not be at her best. She had a stuffy nose so DFK was a bit limited (needing to get air). LOL.
Despite that she was quite a good fuck. She started out arching the back during DATY, like to avoid, but after a while things changed, the back no longer arched and was pulling on head to get more force on the clit. Sex was pretty good with tight pussy and she seemed quite into it despite being crook. Seemed to forget about her bad cold for a while.
She will probably take the day off after that to recover from the virus. Hope to get her next time in full health, as maybe can improve further. So session was quite okay, not to Yok standards of course, despite similarities in look.
Another girl, No. 71, caught my attention with fabulous body including good "C" cups. Average to good face. Might try her another time.
[QUOTE=DCups;1615359]Wow, Scorcher, probably the best field report I've ever read. What size cup was the soapie girl with the big ones? Sometimes you have to spell out bee or see or dee. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I had a great time. Oline has natural dee cups (like your forum name), nice thick ass, and skinny waste. Service was a little conventional but if you like big breasts she is a great choice. She sits on the sideline near the entrance, furthest from the fishbowl. You will notice her immediately because she will be bursting out of her dress!
Scorcher.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1615612]Its good to see you have done your research and tried a good selection of things.
I also had a very annoying papa-san at Amsterdam last time. Its seems they have a silly system where some cheer person follows you from the front door and stays with you the whole time. They are push-push pushing you to select immediately. I virtually told my papa-san to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off, since he was telling me ludicrous lies that there were no more girls, despite me insisting I was going to wait to see who would come out, like I was born yesterday. I have not had the same problem in previous visits to Amsterdam.
My favourite Soapy girl works at Amsterdam, so I have been quite a few times.
The prices at Amsterdam are not that cheap and there is Farang surcharge. How would you compare the price verses quality of girl looks with "The Lord"?[/QUOTE]I think the price / quality is similar between the two. If pressed to choose, I think the girls at Lords were more consistently attractive, where Amsterdam seemed to have more variability in the quality. The Lord was more expensive, but I think at either place you could do very well with the 4200-5000 price range. I mostly ignored the 6000-7000 priced girls because it seemed unnecessary when there were excellent choices for less. My preferred type of girl (dark skin, curvy, late 20's) tended to be in the lower price point so I usually focused there.
If given another day in BKK, I would try The Lord without hesitation.
Scorcher.
Dear Scorcher,
Many thanks for wonderful trip report.
My question to seniors here is, at Nana car park or at many soapies some girls wil be making eye contacts and at times direct welcome gestures, and few of them most of the time good looking will be either busy looking at their mobile or make up. Dilemma is which one to choose willing one or unresponsive one. Of cource I always choose big titted, curvy girl all the time.
This forum has been my life line.
Thank you guys.
OGM
Great informative report.
I have 2 questions for the Vets Please.
1. At all the massage places, Soapy and Oil can you make the blow jobs are BBBJ before you commit with a girl?
2. I know it is ossible to meet a massage girl outside of her parlor, but is it common? To the men who go often to the massage places if you really like a girl would you normally try to meet her outside?
[QUOTE=Oldgentleman;1615772]Dear Scorcher,
Many thanks for wonderful trip report.
My question to seniors here is, at Nana car park or at many soapies some girls wil be making eye contacts and at times direct welcome gestures, and few of them most of the time good looking will be either busy looking at their mobile or make up. Dilemma is which one to choose willing one or unresponsive one. Of cource I always choose big titted, curvy girl all the time.
This forum has been my life line.
Thank you guys.
OGM[/QUOTE]The "willing one" does not guarantee a perfect session, but someone who does not look at you or even actively seems to avoid being chosen is almost certainly not going to provide a good service.
It is still always a bit of "hit or miss" and therefore I usually take my girl from an agogo club where (1) you have seen her dancing nude, so no ugly surprises in your room and (2) for the price of a ladydrink you get to talk to her to gauge her commitment and discuss the services you expect.
Hey Gents, the RTs to Phuket are much cheaper at DMK so my question is. What is the taxi fare from BKK Airport to the smaller DMK Airport. My flight from Sydney arrives in BBK at 1 am and my connector flight to Phuket leaves DMK at 6 am. I assume this is an easy taxi trip. Any info before I book it?
[QUOTE=Socker;1615964]Hey Gents, the RTs to Phuket are much cheaper at DMK so my question is. What is the taxi fare from BKK Airport to the smaller DMK Airport. My flight from Sydney arrives in BBK at 1 am and my connector flight to Phuket leaves DMK at 6 am. I assume this is an easy taxi trip. Any info before I book it?[/QUOTE]Nope, its easy and less than $10, so the price is not important. The problem is what to do till 6 AM.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1615856]The "willing one" does not guarantee a perfect session, but someone who does not look at you or even actively seems to avoid being chosen is almost certainly not going to provide a good service.
It is still always a bit of "hit or miss" and therefore I usually take my girl from an agogo club where (1) you have seen her dancing nude, so no ugly surprises in your room and (2) for the price of a ladydrink you get to talk to her to gauge her commitment and discuss the services you expect.[/QUOTE]I don't totally agree with your first point. Some girls are shy and don't try to sell themselves. Actively avoiding you is a bad sign, but general disinterest or boredom is not always bad, as long as ugly expressions don't arrive on her face. Iavoid girls that over-sell themselves, since they are putting on an act that can very quickly disappear, once you book them.
I do agree with second. I like to see nude girls so no surprises. I also like to see which girl seems to be able to relax well. Scared tense girls don't fuck well. Shy girls are can be okay (not always). If the girl should feel up my dick and kiss a little, that is a good sign. LOL Its still a lottery. Girls with very little experience, take one look at the Farang dick and immediately die of fright, as though they were still a virgin. LOL.
Last night met up with top girl at Suzi W well before opening time. She liked my timing since other regular customers would be looking for her later.
She commented that a previous day, some guy came in with a list of girl numbers, naturally including herself, and did not yet seem to know the girls. So I was asked if I was the one supplying the numbers list to my friends, specially as most numbers seemed to be girls I know well. LOL. Naturally I denied it since I have little idea of what girls have what numbers.
Late in evening went to Crazy House with a buddy who had never been there. My favourite waitress there, Noi, was now a dancing girl. Obviously not making even money as waitress. A huge debt to be serviced. Many times I had previously thought about BFing her, but had not yet pulled the trigger. Anyway was much more scantily clad this time, so I could check her out better. Only A cups, white skin, but generally good body. Seemed to be shaved. We were also joined by Bo with natural the cups. I have done Bo once before so I knew she was a somewhat passive fuck, not to full starfish level. LOL. Perhaps with a few tequilas and more used to me now, Bo could be better than before.
However decided to try Noi despite the shyness. She felt shy particularly having known me some time but not in the biblical sense. No price was negotiated nor ST or LT discussed. She had a few tequilas to loosen her shyness, but I did not know she was actually quite drunk having taken a few "yaa dong" shots for some girl's birthday before we arrived. Anyway turned out she was a very passionate fuck despite being a bit overly drunk. Good DFK. She went quite wild during extended DATY. BBBJ was too toothy, so moved on from that quickly enough. For mish, her hips were undulating nicely and pussy had a great pulsing squeezing / massaging action. In fact she moved so much my dick fell out a couple of times. She was really into it, clearly needing a fuck badly.
Due to being drunk, she seemed to ask me same questions many times. Dropped her safely home in Phra Khanong after that since she was starting to feel crook. I will try to make sure she is only slightly dosed with alcohol next time.
Defeinitely the best fuck I ever had at Crazy House, so chemistry makes a huge difference, little doubt. Also alcohol can loose the girl's inhibitions completely. I don't need any alcohol to loose mine. However one other girl I previously took from CH was completely useless when drunk but quite a reasonable fuck when sober. So its hard to figure at times. Perhaps just a little bit inebriated is best, but not too much.
[QUOTE=Socker;1615964]Hey Gents, the RTs to Phuket are much cheaper at DMK so my question is. What is the taxi fare from BKK Airport to the smaller DMK Airport. My flight from Sydney arrives in BBK at 1 am and my connector flight to Phuket leaves DMK at 6 am. I assume this is an easy taxi trip. Any info before I book it?[/QUOTE]The taxi fare should be a few hundred baht only, plus the 50 baht "airport" surcharge and perhaps some tolls (less than another 50 baht) depending on the route taken. You cannot go wrong if the taxi uses the meter (ALWAYS insist to use the meter!
There is a free shuttle bus between the two airports ([URL]http://suvarnabhumiairport.com/en/122-transfer-bus-between-suvarnabhumi-don-muaeng[/URL]) but it does not run between midnight and 5 AM.
If you have the ticket for the DMK flight, there is also a free shuttle between the 2 airports.
You will probably spend the difference waiting for the flight and in baggage charges. Air Asia etc from DMK charge you extra for everything. In the end, the saving might not be worth it.
[QUOTE=Socker;1615964]Hey Gents, the RTs to Phuket are much cheaper at DMK so my question is. What is the taxi fare from BKK Airport to the smaller DMK Airport. My flight from Sydney arrives in BBK at 1 am and my connector flight to Phuket leaves DMK at 6 am. I assume this is an easy taxi trip. Any info before I book it?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1615619]Finally BFed May at Crazy House. Decided to take more because she looked like a little sister of a famous Yok, than for any other reason. Okay She was a hot dancer. [/QUOTE] Sounds like the 19 year old I barfined out of Crazy House in April. She said her name was Mae (her spelling). Mae was one of the scantily clad dancers. She was also one of the more provocative and sexually alluring dancers on stage. I liked her from the moment she trained her dance moves on me. She was also a dirty sweet doll back at the ranch. I miss the gals at CH.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1616007]Nope, its easy and less than $10, so the price is not important. The problem is what to do till 6 AM.[/QUOTE]Too bad there's no soapy in the airport. I guess I'll have to look at my wife, haha, yeah, the wife will be w / me. Actually this trip is her gift from me for being so great. She lets me loose to have my fun 7 + weeks a year. My first monger trip was to Thailand in 2009 and haven't been back due to the filipina pussy power.
I am really looking forward to this, Phuket for 5 days + BKK for a couple of days. Once we get to Thailand my plan is to tire her out during the day and then disappear when she falls asleep late afternoon or mid evening, piece of cake. I cannot wait! I have a buddy who just moved to Chang Mai so I'll hook up w / him too.
Thanks to Wolve and your quick info, I booked the flights minutes ago. I will recipocate w / some pics and TR.
One special memory from Soi Cowboy 2010, enjoy.
[QUOTE=Socker;1616314]Too bad there's no soapy in the airport. I guess I'll have to look at my wife, haha, yeah, the wife will be w / me. Actually this trip is her gift from me for being so great. She lets me loose to have my fun 7 + weeks a year. My first monger trip was to Thailand in 2009 and haven't been back due to the filipina pussy power.
I am really looking forward to this, Phuket for 5 days + BKK for a couple of days. Once we get to Thailand my plan is to tire her out during the day and then disappear when she falls asleep late afternoon or mid evening, piece of cake. I cannot wait! I have a buddy who just moved to Chang Mai so I'll hook up w / him too.
Thanks to Wolve and your quick info, I booked the flights minutes ago. I will recipocate w / some pics and TR.
One special memory from Soi Cowboy 2010, enjoy.[/QUOTE]Probably not worth it for that amount of time. But there short time rooms for travelers at BKK, Louis Tavern, and some others. Google Bangkok airport sleep rooms and results come up. If nothing else I would suggest killing time in BKK. DMK is old and a lot smaller. You will find more options to kill time at BKK. Or you can always take the airport train into town and hit some of the late night bars and clubs and take taxi from there. Also just a note, even though this is a Bangkok forum, if you can find another couple on the plane headed to same area on phuket a private suv negotiated at airport was much nicer than a cab and more comfortable for not much more with a 2 way split.
[QUOTE=Socker;1616314]Once we get to Thailand my plan is to tire her out during the day and then disappear when she falls asleep late afternoon or mid evening, piece of cake. [/QUOTE]LOL, I pulled the same trick last week with my Thai wife. We had been visiting Thailand for 3 weeks, and I had been a perfect angel the entire trip, I. E. She wouldn't let me out of her sights. Our last night in Bangkok, she was complaining she had a cold and wanted to sleep early. I offered her some Nyquil cold & sleeping pills I had and she was out like a light. With this newly found free time on my hands, what was one to do?
I took the BTS to Nana Station, had a couple beers at one of the hotels, and then found myself at Dr. BJ's Salon. Was giving a choice of girls, 700 baht white dresses, or 1000 baht red dresses with supposedly special oral skills. A white dress with a cute face caught my eye and I picked her. She took me upstairs, washed my cock, took her top off and then proceeded with an excellent BBBJ. She was great; alternating between fast and slow, licking the head and balls, letting me squeeze her tits. Next time I'm in town, might have to try the more expensive red dresses to see what the difference is, because this girl was good. After about 20 min, I guess it was time for me to cum, because she ramped up her tempo and I promptly exploded in her mouth. She sucked me completely dry, spit out my wad and started sucking again. She then washed my cock again, took me downstairs where I paid my 700 baht, was given a candy and sent on my merry way. Not a bad way to spend $22 USD.
[QUOTE=DrCornelius;1616327]
I took the BTS to Nana Station, had a couple beers at one of the hotels, and then found myself at Dr. BJ's Salon. Was giving a choice of girls, 700 baht white dresses, or 1000 baht red dresses with supposedly special oral skills. A white dress with a cute face caught my eye and I picked her. She took me upstairs, washed my cock, took her top off and then proceeded with an excellent BBBJ. She was great; alternating between fast and slow, licking the head and balls, letting me squeeze her tits. Next time I'm in town, might have to try the more expensive red dresses to see what the difference is, because this girl was good. After about 20 min, I guess it was time for me to cum, because she ramped up her tempo and I promptly exploded in her mouth. She sucked me completely dry, spit out my wad and started sucking again. She then washed my cock again, took me downstairs where I paid my 700 baht, was given a candy and sent on my merry way. Not a bad way to spend $22 USD.[/QUOTE]Wow, this sounds right up my alley. I'll have the wife wait at the ice cream shop nearby.
[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1616325] I would suggest killing time in BKK. DMK is old and a lot smaller. You will find more options to kill time at BKK. Or you can always take the airport train into town and hit some of the late night bars and clubs and take taxi from there. Also just a note, even though this is a Bangkok forum, if you can find another couple on the plane headed to same area on phuket a private suv negotiated at airport was much nicer than a cab and more comfortable for not much more with a 2 way split.[/QUOTE]Great info, thanks.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1616292]Sounds like the 19 year old I barfined out of Crazy House in April. She said her name was Mae (her spelling). Mae was one of the scantily clad dancers. She was also one of the more provocative and sexually alluring dancers on stage. I liked her from the moment she trained her dance moves on me. She was also a dirty sweet doll back at the ranch. I miss the gals at CH.[/QUOTE]Not same girl. My girl has shorter hair and does body paint show. May has a tat which says "May xx". The xx is actually something else I changed it. Too identifiable. May can be spelled any way they feel like, but not to be confused with Mai which is a different name.
[QUOTE=Socker;1616314]Too bad there's no soapy in the airport. I guess I'll have to look at my wife, haha, yeah, the wife will be w / me. Actually this trip is her gift from me for being so great. She lets me loose to have my fun 7 + weeks a year. My first monger trip was to Thailand in 2009 and haven't been back due to the filipina pussy power.
One special memory from Soi Cowboy 2010, enjoy.[/QUOTE]Been a while since I was in Don Muang, but whenever I used to fly there < I would take the skybridge to the Amari hotel. And on one of the upper floors was a health spa operation where they would make a line up and selection. Good way to start a Thailand trip. It may of course have long since gone.
BKK folks,
Need some input, I'm landing in BKK in 2 weeks and heading to Pattaya for 4 nights and then BKK for 6 to do some shopping.
Some of my friends have suggested to make it 6 in Pattaya and 4 in BKK as there is not much action in BKK, after RTFF (a lot) I think there is action in BKK as well.
What do you guys think?
Thanks
Only my opinion as it will vary with each person. I prefer BKK and the big city over Pattaya. Much more options and a bigger pool to pick from. If it is your first.
Visit I would suggest 3 days in Pattaya and the rest in BKK. But this again is only my opinion. Be sure to read back many pages to get an idea of where to go and.
What is on offer. I also suggest you look up maps of each place on google. Understand the geography. Hope this helps.
[QUOTE=MaximusBibicus;1616579] I'm landing in BKK in 2 weeks and heading to Pattaya for 4 nights and then BKK for 6 to do some shopping. Some of my friends have suggested to make it 6 in Pattaya and 4 in BKK as there is not much action in BKK, after RTFF (a lot) I think there is action in BKK as well. What do you guys think?
[/QUOTE]There are as many opinions on the never ending BKK vs Pattaya debate as there are punters, but anyone who suggests there is not much action in BKK doesn't know what they are taking about. Pattaya is mostly about Go Go's, FL's, and small bars. The town has a crazy relaxed resort feel. BKK is about Go Go's, massage parlors, FL's and night clubs. The city has a distinct modern Thai cosmopolitan cultural feel. There is no telling which destination will be more to you liking before you go and experience them both so your original plan is pretty good. The important thing is no matter how you slice it, 4/6, 6/4, or 5/5; you are going to have a great time. So don't waste your time on over thinking your schedule. I suggest you spend your time in a more productive way by carefully reading the forums going back a year or so. Take notes and write down the establishments that consistently receive high marks from respected ISG'ers. In the Pat forum you will read a lot about Sensations, Baccara, Airport, & Happy Go Go's on Walking Street; LK Metro; Beach Road; & the many small bars on Soi Six. In the BKK forums you will read a lot about Baccara, Crazy House, Suzi Wong Go Go's on Cowboy; Rainbow 4 Go Go in Nana; Nataree, Amsterdam, Lord, & La Belle Soapies; Mango, Cherry, Snow White, EZ, & Bamboo oilies; & Climax on Soi 11. Ignore the extreme negative posts.
I favor BKK over Pattaya because I prefer the big city over the resort town. But that is just my opinion. Actually I dig both places a lot. They seem to compliment each other. So do your homework, then go there, and decide which place you like best. They are both amazing.
[QUOTE=MaximusBibicus;1616579]BKK folks,
Need some input, I'm landing in BKK in 2 weeks and heading to Pattaya for 4 nights and then BKK for 6 to do some shopping.
Some of my friends have suggested to make it 6 in Pattaya and 4 in BKK as there is not much action in BKK, after RTFF (a lot) I think there is action in BKK as well.
What do you guys think?
Thanks[/QUOTE]You don't seem to have RTFF'd more than a couple of pages. May be a better place to start on what's available in BKK would be the Links to Reports of Distinction section, if trawling through the back pages is too much of an effort, it will give you a fair idea that BKK has so much to offer in terms of better and assured quality and service albeit at a higher price than Pattaya. The advantage with Pattaya is that it is more of a holiday destination and unlike the big city puts you in a zen mode to monger. Just my 2 cents.
[QUOTE=MaximusBibicus;1616579]BKK folks,
Need some input, I'm landing in BKK in 2 weeks and heading to Pattaya for 4 nights and then BKK for 6 to do some shopping.
Some of my friends have suggested to make it 6 in Pattaya and 4 in BKK as there is not much action in BKK, after RTFF (a lot) I think there is action in BKK as well.
What do you guys think?
Thanks[/QUOTE]Why decide now? Different people have different likes. Why not land BKK, have a look a couple of days, then go to Pattaya. Then depending if you like Pattaya, stay long, or if not, come back to Bangkok in a hurry.
In Thailand, plans should never be set in concrete. Keep your options open. Learn to reduce planning and see what happens. I was going to go up country with an ex-GF on Saturday or Sunday, but things have changed. Lucky I did not try to book well ahead.
I haven't been to Pattaya for about 20 years! Others tell me its very cheap, but girls tend to be of lower quality than what can be found in Bangkok.
As couple of years ago I bought Kamagra without prescription in legitimate pharmacies in Sukhumvit area for 200 BTH for 4 tablet pack (if I remember well the price). Is it still the same price?
I've allways been a big fan of the Massage Palours in Sukhumvit soi 24/1 and surroundings. I get to visit BKK a couple of times every year. Its been 3 months since last visit, but mean while a keep an eye on the websites of the shops. Judging by their websites, it looks like EZ has far the best lineup these days.
But then I realized something: EZ charges 1000 be for COF, CIM. Has the politics really changed that much? And if so, is that a common extra fee at the other shops too (Snow White, Cherry, Bamboo ect.) ? Yes, I know that I could just write a mail to each and every MP in BKK and get the answer, but I would like to ask the lucky ones who has been there recently, and get a first hand oppinion.
Thanks guys.
Regards.
[QUOTE=Zahle;1616735]
But then I realized something: EZ charges 1000 be for COF, CIM. Has the politics really changed that much? And if so, is that a common extra fee at the other shops too (Snow White, Cherry, Bamboo ect.) ?
Regards.[/QUOTE]EZ is not the typical oilie and has surcharges plus normally one pop policy. Snow White, Cherry and Tulip is all in pricing, Bamboo is same except surcharge for anal.
IMHO, Boss Massage has a better line-up but again, not a typical oilie. One pop is normal and don't expect PSE.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1616770]EZ is not the typical oilie and has surcharges plus normally one pop policy. Snow White, Cherry and Tulip is all in pricing, Bamboo is same except surcharge for anal.
IMHO, Boss Massage has a better line-up but again, not a typical oilie. One pop is normal and don't expect PSE.[/QUOTE]My guess is that soon enough all the joints will have surcharges. Tis an unpleasant trend. Already it is hard to find a looker in the PSE shops.
[QUOTE=Zahle;1616735]I've allways been a big fan of the Massage Palours in Sukhumvit soi 24/1 and surroundings. I get to visit BKK a couple of times every year. Its been 3 months since last visit, but mean while a keep an eye on the websites of the shops. Judging by their websites, it looks like EZ has far the best lineup these days.
[/QUOTE]I visited their shop twice on my May trip, timing 11 am and 1 pm, at both times the line up was less than satisfactory and they had about 6-7 only (the website would lead you to believe that they have 20 or more). The MMS is a funny lady and will show extreme (fake) hurt when you do not pick a girl. None of the girls were very stunning (6-6. 5), and I asked the MMS to point out girls who didn't mind a threesome and only 4 girls out of the 7 girl line up was left to chose from. Let me just say they weren't adept at playing with each other and while their individual service was good, it's not likely that I will return to their shop except to try girls that are highly recommended (who one needs to know about and probably book in advance).
Re pricing, if during low season, I can't be sure, but I got some kind of a discount being the first customer of the day (I didn't ask for one). But let me also clarify that I wasn't offered nor did I try COF, CIM or Anal which their website suggests carry an extra charge.
I am spending a few days on business in Bangkok and after RTFFing, I decided to check out Cherry Massage for the PSE first. I called ahead to check but some of my favourite girls from their site weren't around (BB, Lisa). The candid shots on their site give a good impression. I swung by anyway to take a look at the selection. The first thing I noticed was that a few other the other massage placed mentioned on the forum are right next door (Angel Massage, Boss), many others to boot.
Anyway. On to Cherry I go. The selection that afternoon was limited. Only 4 girls around. None of the stars mentioned on the board (Gof, Pim, Pinky.) "May" may have been around, but I do prefer girls with pretty faces (yes, I know its probably too much to ask for PSE, with a pretty faced, slim girl). I inquired about Lisa, who seems prettiest from the pictures, but was told she was taking a rest. Any experience with her any experienced member can share? With the promise that both Lisa and BB (also pretty on pic) will be back tomorrow, I left Cherry.
Walking back down the road, I noticed Boss massage, which has been mentioned on the forum as the place to go "if you like them slim / petite". Right on. So I stopped by and chose Audi, from a much larger line up, with significantly better looking girls. 2200 baht for 90 min, with a very attractive girl. I downgraded my service expectation accordingly. Audi turned out to be older than I would have guessed (31) but remained slim and her face had lost nothing. She smiled and was very friendly. So on we go to room. Premises seemed clean. Nothing posh, nothing to write home about.
On we went to shower, then massage. I was getting excited, but Audi seemed happiest massaging my back, and legs with some rare forey to the crotch. After 15 min, I got bored so I ask her to get the fun started. She obliges and turns we around. She starts with nice BBBJ and deep throat which I enjoyed but could have used a bit more suction. Then she gets out a condom. I am not so interested just yet and ask her for CIM. No complaints, no problem, but not much enthusiasm either. I did enjoy her pretty face going down on me, a bit more eye contact would have been even better. After I finish, she goes back to bathroom and comes back for more massage. Regrettably she is not a very good masseuse. I relax a bit anyway.
After 30 min or so of that I turn around, looking for the second shot. She is a bit surprised (really?) but obliges. We ended up having quite some fun in doggy style. Her arms on the bed, looking at the mirror, both of us standing next to the bed. It turned out she had a very nice ass which I enjoyed pounding and I could even delude myself about her actually enjoying the action (Didn't ask for A+) So I accomplished my mission after a few more position changes in what ended up a nice, but not great experience. On the way out I noted another looker coming downstairs, but didn't want to embarrass Audi by asking the other girl about her name in from of her (stupid, I know).
I will probably be back in Cherry in the afternoon today and try either Nataree or Crazy Horse at night. Any other brothers out to party tonight?
[QUOTE=Otari;1616705]As couple of years ago I bought Kamagra without prescription in legitimate pharmacies in Sukhumvit area for 200 BTH for 4 tablet pack (if I remember well the price). Is it still the same price?[/QUOTE]I have found that price varies on pharmacist whim 'and fancy! With friendly advice thrown in at times. I even got the ajanta pharma (India) make at 100 bt for a 4 pack!
Although the pfizer viagra is generally 500 bt, but kamagra or penegra works just fine for me. And no one ever asked for a prescription.
NM.
Hello,
I am visiting Bangkok in the first week of October and wanted to know which nightclub is the best to pick up local as well as international beauties? I'll only be there for one night so can't really hunt from place to place.
Thanks in advance.
BR
[QUOTE=Otari;1616705]As couple of years ago I bought Kamagra without prescription in legitimate pharmacies in Sukhumvit area for 200 BTH for 4 tablet pack (if I remember well the price). Is it still the same price?[/QUOTE]The standard price for Kamagra from legitimate places seems to be 300. Used to be higher. I don't believe other writer who reckons genuine Viagra can be got for 500. I reckon it would have to be fake or a copy. No expert but usually originals are far higher priced. My boss wanted me to buy genuine Cialis for him and that was a far higher price. He is now happy with Apcalis at a much better price.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1616843]My guess is that soon enough all the joints will have surcharges. Tis an unpleasant trend. Already it is hard to find a looker in the PSE shops.[/QUOTE]This is true. This is why I have virtually given up most PSE shops. There was once a stunner Angie in Cherry. She obviously was in the wrong place.
[QUOTE=BombayRockstar;1616874]Hello,
I am visiting Bangkok in the first week of October and wanted to know which nightclub is the best to pick up local as well as international beauties? I'll only be there for one night so can't really hunt from place to place.
Thanks in advance.
BR[/QUOTE]I think you have not RTFF enough as BKK is not the town for nightclubs to pick up local and international beauties as it happens in other town.
RTFF will save you the walking in town and, most important, the wrong approach to an adult Disneyland.
[QUOTE=BombayRockstar;1616874]Hello,
I am visiting Bangkok in the first week of October and wanted to know which nightclub is the best to pick up local as well as international beauties? I'll only be there for one night so can't really hunt from place to place.
Thanks in advance.
BR[/QUOTE]If you have only one night and do not wish to explore Bangkok then hire from escort agencies.
Climax, Mixx, Levels can be hit or miss but they do have few stunners.
Personally, If I had only one night then I would have spent in Nana plaza.
[QUOTE=MaximusBibicus;1616579]BKK folks,
Need some input, I'm landing in BKK in 2 weeks and heading to Pattaya for 4 nights and then BKK for 6 to do some shopping.
Some of my friends have suggested to make it 6 in Pattaya and 4 in BKK as there is not much action in BKK, after RTFF (a lot) I think there is action in BKK as well.
What do you guys think?
Thanks[/QUOTE]It all depends on what is your main focus. If you want to stretch your budget as much as possible and your focus is on mongering, then follow your friends' advice. If however, you want to experience other aspects of Thailand (culture, history, shopping, .) as well, and you don't mind paying somewhat higher prices for your fun, then 6 days in Bangkok would be better. There is more than enough action in Bangkok.
[QUOTE=Fernerosten;1616860]I am spending a few days on business in Bangkok and after RTFFing, I decided to check out Cherry Massage for the PSE first. I called ahead to check but some of my favourite girls from their site weren't around (BB, Lisa). The candid shots on their site give a good impression. I swung by anyway to take a look at the selection. The first thing I noticed was that a few other the other massage placed mentioned on the forum are right next door (Angel Massage, Boss), many others to boot.
Anyway. On to Cherry I go. The selection that afternoon was limited. Only 4 girls around. None of the stars mentioned on the board (Gof, Pim, Pinky.) "May" may have been around, but I do prefer girls with pretty faces (yes, I know its probably too much to ask for PSE, with a pretty faced, slim girl). I inquired about Lisa, who seems prettiest from the pictures, but was told she was taking a rest. Any experience with her any experienced member can share? With the promise that both Lisa and BB (also pretty on pic) will be back tomorrow, I left Cherry...[/QUOTE]Nice report. I agree often the pretty faces are simply tired of overbooking and spread their enthusiasm thin. BTW, I will be in BKK next week for some fun.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1616843]My guess is that soon enough all the joints will have surcharges. Tis an unpleasant trend. Already it is hard to find a looker in the PSE shops.[/QUOTE]I wonder if the NCP prices will ever go up from the 2007 rate of 1 K Baht. That 30 USD. Plenty of lookers & PSE there now in 2014.
I'm thinking it is still worth it to dish out 6 K USD to fly to LOS for 6 months a year vs the pitiful P4 P options back in the Western world. Even just one session a month & a case can be made that it pays for itself. Anything more is a bonus. Accomodations much better value, too. Then, to put a cherry on the top, there's the weather.
Surcharge? Does anyone care? Cheap Charlie's can go to Cambodia for $5 fucks or try their luck in the PI or Africa.
[QUOTE=BombayRockstar;1616874]Hello,
I am visiting Bangkok in the first week of October and wanted to know which nightclub is the best to pick up local as well as international beauties? I'll only be there for one night so can't really hunt from place to place.
Thanks in advance.
BR[/QUOTE]Checkout Levels and Mixx.
Both Hi end and loads of girls to pick from, But be sure to find the difference between Normal girls and working girls!!
There has been some discussion here recently about the girls not liking sex. Which makes sense to me.
But I took a girl from bacarra the other night. I forgot her number. I will post her number next time I go to Bacarra and make note of her number. A busty girl cute face with braces. Looks a bit "built" in terms of musculature. But slim.
Anyway, by the time I barfined her I just wanted to go home and sleep because of not enough sleep. She only goes to the ST rooms nearby with first time customers (the waitress told me).
So I just wanted to play with her body, bust a nut and get some rest.
After about 15 minutes of maybe 3 positions, I shot my load.
She literally slapped me on the neck and said, "why?
I said, "why what?" she said she wants to have sex for a long time, at least 30 minutes.
I was thinking "wow. This is a first. ".
I told her next time because today I am tired. No power.
So I guess I agree with what other guys have posted that the girls like customers who get the job done quickly. (I have had plenty of those). But this one seems to actually enjoy sex.
She is one of those real party girls. Not the usual type who is taking care of parents or something in Issan. She forced me to smoke a cigarette before we had sex and after I coughed on the smoke because I am not a smoker she said "oh, a gentleman good boy. " I said, "yes. " and she said she will teach me to be bad. Ok. Good sign I guess.
After the session she said she wasn't going back to the bar because she had to go to her gay friend's birthday party at a gay bar in Silom.
Kind of a wierd cat, this girl, in the sense that she definitely is in it for the party and not because of having to take care of her family.
A refreshing change, but I wasn't in physical condition to take advantage.
Maybe next trip.
[QUOTE=TesterTester;1617509] I took a girl from bacarra the other night. This one seems to actually enjoy sex.
She is one of those real party girls. Not the usual type who is taking care of parents or something in Issan. She said "oh, a gentleman good boy. " I said, "yes. " and she said she will teach me to be bad. Ok. Good sign I guess.
After the session she said she wasn't going back to the bar because she had to go to her gay friend's birthday party at a gay bar in Silom. Kind of a wierd cat, this girl, in the sense that she definitely is in it for the party and not because of having to take care of her family.
A refreshing change, [/QUOTE]A good report Tester. I think you will find that there are a lot more girls like this one than you think in Baccara. You just have to fine tune your radar to lock on to them. Most Baccara girls that I have known intimately prefer not to return to the bar after a session unless it is to have drinks with me. They are satisfied to have made their quota for the night and now it is time for them to get something to eat and party all night with their friends in Thai clubs and bars. Only the mercenary girls want to go back to the Go Go and put out for 2nd customer. One customer a night is the modus operandi for confident, successful, good girls. Therefore, I seldom barfine a girl a second time if she goes back to her Go Go looking for a another customer. It's one of the reasons I prefer Baccara over Rainbow 4. Nearly all the RB4 girls I know have gone back to the bar afterwards. I consider that low class and mercenary, definitely not GFE.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1617552]Nearly all the RB4 girls I know have gone back to the bar afterwards. I consider that low class and mercenary, definitely not GFE.[/QUOTE]Being a bargirl is a job, not a hobby. Girls have to maximise earnings as career is not so long. However its not illegal for them to get their rocks off as well if happen to get a good customer.
I am not sure you have explained your attitude properly. Their are casual hookers around doing some normal job and making a bit on the side at discos, Pick up joints etc. , perhaps having a bit of fun and very choosy who they fuck.
However most bar girls are doing it as a job and have to make money. Its not low class to work properly. Same as oily girls take several customers per day.
I do understand girls can be bad if they try to rush customers and give no service. However girls have debts to pay and are doing bar work to make money. I have less respect for bargirls who are party animals, habitually drunk or stoned, and do not work properly.
I like girls who are really into sex as well, but they still have to make money. Some girls are lazy to turn up to work purely because it was raining. This is a poor work ethic in any job.
To say its low class for a girl to take more than one ST in an evening is a very strange attitude IMHO. Still better than being fucked 6 times in the ass in a PSE shop in one shift.
Bargirls who have many customers to juggle, may have some difficulties to fit them all in when they all want to take the girl at similar times. LOL.
I took Noi from Crazy House at closing time because she is a passionate fuck. I said I could not fuck as drank too much alcohol. She said no problem, she would stay till my powers were restored in the morning. Turned out I did manage to get hard and have a short screw with DATY for her. We had a much longer session in the morning. Price is never discussed and she knows how to look after customer well despite having only been a dancer for 3 weeks. Used to be a waitress but was not making enough money. She understands she has to behave right to make money, but also can have fun and enjoy the work too, where possible.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1617552]Therefore, I seldom barfine a girl a second time if she goes back to her Go Go looking for a another customer. It's one of the reasons I prefer Baccara over Rainbow 4. Nearly all the RB4 girls I know have gone back to the bar afterwards. I consider that low class and mercenary, definitely not GFE.[/QUOTE]Low class and mercenary? That's a bit harsh isn't it? It's her life so it's up to her if she wants (or most likely needs) to go back to the bar and make some more money.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1617784]Being a bargirl is a job, not a hobby. Girls have to maximise earnings as career is not so long. However its not illegal for them to get their rocks off as well if happen to get a good customer.
I am not sure you have explained your attitude properly. Their are casual hookers around doing some normal job and making a bit on the side at discos, Pick up joints etc. , perhaps having a bit of fun and very choosy who they fuck.
However most bar girls are doing it as a job and have to make money. Its not low class to work properly. Same as oily girls take several customers per day.
I do understand girls can be bad if they try to rush customers and give no service. However girls have debts to pay and are doing bar work to make money. I have less respect for bargirls who are party animals, habitually drunk or stoned, and do not work properly.
I like girls who are really into sex as well, but they still have to make money. Some girls are lazy to turn up to work purely because it was raining. This is a poor work ethic in any job.
To say its low class for a girl to take more than one ST in an evening is a very strange attitude IMHO. Still better than being fucked 6 times in the ass in a PSE shop in one shift.
Bargirls who have many customers to juggle, may have some difficulties to fit them all in when they all want to take the girl at similar times. LOL.
I took Noi from Crazy House at closing time because she is a passionate fuck. I said I could not fuck as drank too much alcohol. She said no problem, she would stay till my powers were restored in the morning. Turned out I did manage to get hard and have a short screw with DATY for her. We had a much longer session in the morning. Price is never discussed and she knows how to look after customer well despite having only been a dancer for 3 weeks. Used to be a waitress but was not making enough money. She understands she has to behave right to make money, but also can have fun and enjoy the work too, where possible.[/QUOTE]I agree with you Sygies.
I went to crazy house the other day for the first time. Didn't take anyone. Maybe next time. What is the price at crazy house normally for the girls?
[QUOTE=TesterTester;1617792]I agree with you Sygies.
I went to crazy house the other day for the first time. Didn't take anyone. Maybe next time. What is the price at crazy house normally for the girls?[/QUOTE]Standard price they ask for is probably 2500. Some girls may go for less. Some top lookers who are busy may ask for 3 k first up. Probably negotiable depending on chemistry etc. Some girls have not mentioned a price to me.
I would warn that there are of girls that are no good on the bed. You want to choose very carefully, or simply go to look and BF at a safer establishment.
I have had one fire cracker on the bed, 3 others good enough to repeat, and the rest weak to total crap on the bed. Probably my success rate is only 50%.
Some girls were clearly dick scared.
Can anyone recommend clubs in Bangkok, Phuket or Pattaya with Russian dancers? I can't find references to any in the Thailand forums.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1617413]I wonder if the NCP prices will ever go up from the 2007 rate of 1 K Baht. That 30 USD. Plenty of lookers & PSE there now in 2014.
I'm thinking it is still worth it to dish out 6 K USD to fly to LOS for 6 months a year vs the pitiful P4 P options back in the Western world. Even just one session a month & a case can be made that it pays for itself. Anything more is a bonus. Accomodations much better value, too. Then, to put a cherry on the top, there's the weather.
Surcharge? Does anyone care? Cheap Charlie's can go to Cambodia for $5 fucks or try their luck in the PI or Africa.[/QUOTE]The weather? Geez, I hate the weather here. Lived in LOS for 15 years and that is one of the worst things about it. Only tolerable months are Nov-Feb. Rest of the year is too hot or too hot and wet. Despise the humidity.
NCP has never really excited me that much. Hit and miss. When I have a sesh I don't want a miss. I want to know exactly what I am getting with no guess work. That was the beauty of Tulip in the old days. "All girls do everything" was the mantra.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1617804]The weather? Geez, I hate the weather here. Lived in LOS for 15 years and that is one of the worst things about it. Only tolerable months are Nov-Feb. Rest of the year is too hot or too hot and wet. Despise the humidity.[/QUOTE]Perhaps Alaska would be more your style. In Bangkok I can enjoy a city that isn't constantly cloudy & cold for 2/3 of the year, with several hours of rain per day during that time. I can also avoid the occasional snow, ice & hail storms.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1617804]NCP has never really excited me that much. Hit and miss. When I have a sesh I don't want a miss. I want to know exactly what I am getting with no guess work. That was the beauty of Tulip in the old days. "All girls do everything" was the mantra.[/QUOTE]I understand. After living in paradise for years I also am extremely picky & spoiled. Unlike 99 percent of visitors getting sex from TGs in LOS who are just happy to finally be getting laid or paying 10 percent of Western prices or so easily finding BB services, etc. Try abstaining for 3 to 12 months & guage your change in attitude then.
I recently met a working girl from Uzbekistan in Bangkok.
She charged approximately 3000 Thai Baht for ST or 7000 Thai Baht for LT.
After I took her for LT for few times, she started to tell me how sad and pathetic her life was (something like she's a single Mom with a kid, her husband left them, etc). She said that she had to pay her pimp 4000 USA Dollars in order to buy her freedom (4000 USA Dollars is like approximately 120000 Thai Baht; I don't know why they use USA Dollars as their currency).
Then, the pimp would provide her a one-way flight ticket and allow her to go back home. She would be free.
She wanted me to give her 120000 Thai Baht to help her gain her freedom.
She also told me that I could go to Uzbekistan with her. She would be happy to take me to her home.
In some time, those remarks really made me fall in love with her.
I guess some part of her story may be true. (The single Mom part, because she showed me many photos of her really young kid and her bastard husband who left his wife&kid for another woman.).
However, some part of her story may be over-exaggerated and made-up. (4000 USA Dollars /120000 Thai Baht to pay off her pimp and buy her freedom part.).
If she's so desperate to pay off 4000 USA Dollars /120000 Thai Baht to her pimp in order to buy her own freedom, she should be living a frugal life and saving every Thai Baht she earned. However, when I was with her, I observed that she was actually living a very comfortable and easy life. She spent her money on lots of unnecessary and useless stuff, and she even gave generous tips to the waitresses when we went to a restaurant together.
She didn't look like she was trying hard to save money in order to pay off her pimp and buy her freedom.
That's why I don't fully believe her story, and refused to help her in the end.
Besides, I've also heard about mongers who fall in love with the foreign working girls. The girls left without a trace, after taking a large amount of money from the mongers.
I always remind myself not to make that kind of mistake.
In sum, I refused, and I didn't call or meet her again.
What do you guys think about it? Did I make the right decision?
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1617804]The weather? Geez, I hate the weather here. Lived in LOS for 15 years and that is one of the worst things about it. Only tolerable months are Nov-Feb. Rest of the year is too hot or too hot and wet. Despise the humidity.[/QUOTE]Bangkok is mostly not that hot like it used to be 20 years ago. Probably due to murky skies.
I like having some humidity. It clears up my sinuses quickly. I hate places with very dry air and am allergic to cold weather. No joke I get itchy when air or water is too cold.
I do need to use aircon but generally happy with the weather. I remember last year being quite cool a couple of weeks before Songkran. Similar this year. I was absent for hottest period.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1617875]Bangkok is mostly not that hot like it used to be 20 years ago. Probably due to murky skies.
I like having some humidity. It clears up my sinuses quickly. I hate places with very dry air and am allergic to cold weather. No joke I get itchy when air or water is too cold.
I do need to use aircon but generally happy with the weather. I remember last year being quite cool a couple of weeks before Songkran. Similar this year. I was absent for hottest period.[/QUOTE]I'm kind of the opposite. I much prefer cooler weather. Was in Melbourne, OZ in July. 6 see in the mornings and 16 or so in the afternoon. About perfect for me. If a place never made it above 70 F during the day and cooled off into the high 40's in the evenings, I would be in heaven. Humidity ideally would be about 35-40%. Spent most of my life in TX with horrid 5 month summers. Guess that is why I like the cold. Thailand would be perfect if we had mountains and skiing in the North. Eventually Burma will.
[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;1617862]I recently met a working girl from Uzbekistan in Bangkok.
She charged approximately 3000 Thai Baht for ST or 7000 Thai Baht for LT.
After I took her for LT for few times, she started to tell me how sad and pathetic her life was (something like she's a single Mom with a kid, her husband left them, etc). She said that she had to pay her pimp 4000 USA Dollars in order to buy her freedom (4000 USA Dollars is like approximately 120000 Thai Baht; I don't know why they use USA Dollars as their currency).
Then, the pimp would provide her a one-way flight ticket and allow her to go back home. She would be free.
She wanted me to give her 120000 Thai Baht to help her gain her freedom.
She also told me that I could go to Uzbekistan with her. She would be happy to take me to her home.
In some time, those remarks really made me fall in love with her.
I guess some part of her story may be true. (The single Mom part, because she showed me many photos of her really young kid and her bastard husband who left his wife&kid for another woman.).
However, some part of her story may be over-exaggerated and made-up. (4000 USA Dollars /120000 Thai Baht to pay off her pimp and buy her freedom part.).
If she's so desperate to pay off 4000 USA Dollars /120000 Thai Baht to her pimp in order to buy her own freedom, she should be living a frugal life and saving every Thai Baht she earned. However, when I was with her, I observed that she was actually living a very comfortable and easy life. She spent her money on lots of unnecessary and useless stuff, and she even gave generous tips to the waitresses when we went to a restaurant together.
She didn't look like she was trying hard to save money in order to pay off her pimp and buy her freedom.
That's why I don't fully believe her story, and refused to help her in the end.
Besides, I've also heard about mongers who fall in love with the foreign working girls. The girls left without a trace, after taking a large amount of money from the mongers.
I always remind myself not to make that kind of mistake.
In sum, I refused, and I didn't call or meet her again.
What do you guys think about it? Did I make the right decision?[/QUOTE]It is probably a scam. Stay away.
[QUOTE=TesterTester;1617802]Can anyone recommend clubs in Bangkok, Phuket or Pattaya with Russian dancers? I can't find references to any in the Thailand forums.[/QUOTE]Well, maybe because it is place where we look for Thais and not any other ethnic groups. There are other Thai forums on the net.
[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;1617862]I recently met a working girl from Uzbekistan in Bangkok.................In sum, I refused, and I didn't call or meet her again.
What do you guys think about it? Did I make the right decision?[/QUOTE]Of course you did. Next time visit Uzbekistan if you really want to do charity work.
[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;1617862]I recently met a working girl from Uzbekistan in Bangkok.
(. . .)
She said that she had to pay her pimp 4000 USA Dollars in order to buy her freedom (4000 USA Dollars is like approximately 120000 Thai Baht; I don't know why they use USA Dollars as their currency).
Then, the pimp would provide her a one-way flight ticket and allow her to go back home. She would be free.
She wanted me to give her 120000 Thai Baht to help her gain her freedom.
(. . .)
In sum, I refused, and I didn't call or meet her again.
What do you guys think about it? Did I make the right decision?[/QUOTE]Her story may very well be true. It has been reported before that these women are "employed" by a gang of pimps and are not entirely free to go where they want unless they pay back the pimp's investment in them. Age old story, found everywhere in the world, but unfortunately true too many times. It is the "Russian" equivalent of the Isaan bargirl's "sich buffalo" or "terminally ill grandmother" ploy.
4000 USD however seem a rather low amount. As you said yourself, it is an amount she should be able to pay herself within a reasonable time. That's why I think it is a scam. The real amount, if there is one, is likely to be much much higher. But no monger, even when deeeply in love with her, will pay such an amount. So, she quotes a more reasonable amount and thus has more chance to find a love-sick client to cough up that amount. And of course once paid that will be the last he sees or hears of her.
In short you did well by refusing.
[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;1617862]I recently met a working girl from Uzbekistan in Bangkok.
(. . .)
She said that she had to pay her pimp 4000 USA Dollars in order to buy her freedom (4000 USA Dollars is like approximately 120000 Thai Baht; I don't know why they use USA Dollars as their currency).
Then, the pimp would provide her a one-way flight ticket and allow her to go back home. She would be free.
She wanted me to give her 120000 Thai Baht to help her gain her freedom.
(. . .)
In sum, I refused, and I didn't call or meet her again.
What do you guys think about it? Did I make the right decision?[/QUOTE]Her story may very well be true. It has been reported before that these women are "employed" by a gang of pimps and are not entirely free to go where they want unless they pay back the pimp's investment in them. Age old story, found everywhere in the world, but unfortunately true too many times. On the other hand, it could be the "Russian" equivalent of the Isaan bargirl's "sick buffalo" or "terminally ill grandmother" ploy.
4000 USD however seem a rather low amount. As you said yourself, it is an amount she should be able to pay herself within a reasonable time. That's why I think it is a scam. The real amount, if there is one, is likely to be much much higher. But no monger, even when deeeply in love with her, will pay such an amount. So, she quotes a more reasonable amount and thus has more chance to find a love-sick client to cough up that amount. And of course once paid that will be the last he sees or hears of her.
In short you did well by refusing. Now to fully cure yourself of her, go and f*ck some Thai-girls.
[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;1617862]I recently met a working girl from Uzbekistan in Bangkok.
She charged approximately 3000 Thai Baht for ST or 7000 Thai Baht for LT.
After I took her for LT for few times, she started to tell me how sad and pathetic her life was (something like she's a single Mom with a kid, her husband left them, etc). She said that she had to pay her pimp 4000 USA Dollars in order to buy her freedom (4000 USA Dollars is like approximately 120000 Thai Baht; I don't know why they use USA Dollars as their currency).
Then, the pimp would provide her a one-way flight ticket and allow her to go back home. She would be free.
She wanted me to give her 120000 Thai Baht to help her gain her freedom.
She also told me that I could go to Uzbekistan with her. She would be happy to take me to her home.
In some time, those remarks really made me fall in love with her.
I guess some part of her story may be true. (The single Mom part, because she showed me many photos of her really young kid and her bastard husband who left his wife&kid for another woman.).
However, some part of her story may be over-exaggerated and made-up. (4000 USA Dollars /120000 Thai Baht to pay off her pimp and buy her freedom part.).
If she's so desperate to pay off 4000 USA Dollars /120000 Thai Baht to her pimp in order to buy her own freedom, she should be living a frugal life and saving every Thai Baht she earned. However, when I was with her, I observed that she was actually living a very comfortable and easy life. She spent her money on lots of unnecessary and useless stuff, and she even gave generous tips to the waitresses when we went to a restaurant together.
She didn't look like she was trying hard to save money in order to pay off her pimp and buy her freedom.
That's why I don't fully believe her story, and refused to help her in the end.
Besides, I've also heard about mongers who fall in love with the foreign working girls. The girls left without a trace, after taking a large amount of money from the mongers.
I always remind myself not to make that kind of mistake.
In sum, I refused, and I didn't call or meet her again.
What do you guys think about it? Did I make the right decision?[/QUOTE]If she was referring to the balance due to the pimp then the $4,000 may be true.
I can remember about 10 years ago, I met a Russian girl in the Middle East that needed $5000 to buy her way out. At least she thought it was $5000. She asked me to talk to the man in charge. The man had a very frank discussion with me, he said we bring them over here and expect to make more than transportation cost and reimbursements, we need to make a profit. After some more discussion I pressed him for a price. He paused for a while and then mentioned loss of income for the balance of the "contract" period and said $50,000 would cover it.
Your girl might think $4000 is the reimbursement cost for transportation to get out and hasn't figured out there is a "loss of income" penalty!
The girl I knew threw money around like it was nothing too. At that time ST was $50 for 30 minutes and I think she was on a 50/50 split. She made some decent money and could have saved the 5 k in a few months.
She may have been telling you the truth as she knew it. But she didn't factor in the contract period. Either way you probably would never have gotten her out for 4 k.
That's a no-brainer. Why anyone would fall for a working girl is beyond me. I am certain you can find plenty of smoking hottt single Uzb ladies over in her country. If that's what you are looking for, go there and spend some time. I bet you will fall for more than one.
[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;1617862]I recently met a working girl from Uzbekistan in Bangkok.
She charged approximately 3000 Thai Baht for ST or 7000 Thai Baht for LT.......
What do you guys think about it? Did I make the right decision?[/QUOTE]
Hi all,
As I read about does all the MP (oily or soapy) close by midnight? Because I have a over night layover in BK, I will arrive BK around midnight, what's the other option beside barfine a girl to hotel.
Thanks very much.
[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;1617862]
What do you guys think about it? Did I make the right decision?[/QUOTE]YES! I lived and worked a few years in RF and UA, and know, these girls are the cream of the top, and I also had a long lasting affair with a semi-pro, telling me a few "business-"stories. In short words, 4 k was far too cheap, in case her story was true. So she simply wanted to rip you off.
However: Quite a few American guys, looking in RF and UA for their future wifes, lost much more than 4 k.
[QUOTE=TesterTester;1617802]Can anyone recommend clubs in Bangkok, Phuket or Pattaya with Russian dancers? I can't find references to any in the Thailand forums.[/QUOTE]It is not that difficult to find a Russian in BKK. Just go and attend few adult performance shows and you will find Russian doing few acts in the end. You can ask the bouncer for their nuber for a fee. Most likely they will even fix ST or LT with them. I have done that two years ago but not cheap though.
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In short you did well by refusing. Now to fully cure yourself of her, go and f*ck some Thai-girls.[/QUOTE]Well said. Doesn't really matter if girl told some truth or not. Believe nothing of what you hear and only 50% of what you see or experience.
[QUOTE=Mushiboshi;1618025]Hi all,
As I read about does all the MP (oily or soapy) close by midnight? Because I have a over night layover in BK, I will arrive BK around midnight, what's the other option beside barfine a girl to hotel.
Thanks very much.[/QUOTE]Its pretty obvious there are street walkers, clubs, discos, etc.
Last night was at Bangkok Beat till close about 2 am. Several girls there for pick up and LBs. Could not watch one guy tongue kissing a Ladyboy.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1617924]I'm kind of the opposite. I much prefer cooler weather. Was in Melbourne, OZ in July. 6 see in the mornings and 16 or so in the afternoon. About perfect for me. If a place never made it above 70 F during the day and cooled off into the high 40's in the evenings, I would be in heaven. Humidity ideally would be about 35-40%. Spent most of my life in TX with horrid 5 month summers. Guess that is why I like the cold. Thailand would be perfect if we had mountains and skiing in the North. Eventually Burma will.[/QUOTE]Today Bangkok actually has clear blue skies and few clouds and so is very hot like it used to be 20 years back. This is not that common these days in my experience. Just the odd day here and there.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1617189]It all depends on what is your main focus. If you want to stretch your budget as much as possible and your focus is on mongering, then follow your friends' advice. If however, you want to experience other aspects of Thailand (culture, history, shopping, .) as well, and you don't mind paying somewhat higher prices for your fun, then 6 days in Bangkok would be better. There is more than enough action in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Plan is to experience it all, night life, mongering, shopping, culture etc.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1616664]Why decide now? Different people have different likes. Why not land BKK, have a look a couple of days, then go to Pattaya. Then depending if you like Pattaya, stay long, or if not, come back to Bangkok in a hurry.
In Thailand, plans should never be set in concrete. Keep your options open. Learn to reduce planning and see what happens. I was going to go up country with an ex-GF on Saturday or Sunday, but things have changed. Lucky I did not try to book well ahead.
I haven't been to Pattaya for about 20 years! Others tell me its very cheap, but girls tend to be of lower quality than what can be found in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]That's what I thought initially to get the feel of the area and go with the flow, but the hassle of checking in and out of hotels and back and forth from BKK to Pattaya is painful.
[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1616635]You don't seem to have RTFF'd more than a couple of pages. May be a better place to start on what's available in BKK would be the Links to Reports of Distinction section, if trawling through the back pages is too much of an effort, it will give you a fair idea that BKK has so much to offer in terms of better and assured quality and service albeit at a higher price than Pattaya. The advantage with Pattaya is that it is more of a holiday destination and unlike the big city puts you in a zen mode to monger. Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]Still lots of reading up for me to do.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1616634]There are as many opinions on the never ending BKK vs Pattaya debate as there are punters, but anyone who suggests there is not much action in BKK doesn't know what they are taking about. Pattaya is mostly about Go Go's, FL's, and small bars. The town has a crazy relaxed resort feel. BKK is about Go Go's, massage parlors, FL's and night clubs. The city has a distinct modern Thai cosmopolitan cultural feel. There is no telling which destination will be more to you liking before you go and experience them both so your original plan is pretty good. The important thing is no matter how you slice it, 4/6, 6/4, or 5/5; you are going to have a great time. So don't waste your time on over thinking your schedule. I suggest you spend your time in a more productive way by carefully reading the forums going back a year or so. Take notes and write down the establishments that consistently receive high marks from respected ISG'ers. In the Pat forum you will read a lot about Sensations, Baccara, Airport, & Happy Go Go's on Walking Street; LK Metro; Beach Road; & the many small bars on Soi Six. In the BKK forums you will read a lot about Baccara, Crazy House, Suzi Wong Go Go's on Cowboy; Rainbow 4 Go Go in Nana; Nataree, Amsterdam, Lord, & La Belle Soapies; Mango, Cherry, Snow White, EZ, & Bamboo oilies; & Climax on Soi 11. Ignore the extreme negative posts.
I favor BKK over Pattaya because I prefer the big city over the resort town. But that is just my opinion. Actually I dig both places a lot. They seem to compliment each other. So do your homework, then go there, and decide which place you like best. They are both amazing.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your tip.
So the plan is to to Pattaya initially followed by BKK, I'm a city person as well and this is my first trip. After I get to know the places I will decide effectively for future.
Thank you all for your valuable input, report will be posted in about a month's time from now.
Been there done that. You did the right thing.
Although you could have been still seeing her and tell her your sessions with her will add to her contribution.
[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;1617862]I recently met a working girl from Uzbekistan in Bangkok.
She charged approximately 3000 Thai Baht for ST or 7000 Thai Baht for LT.
After I took her for LT for few times, she started to tell me how sad and pathetic her life was (something like she's a single Mom with a kid, her husband left them, etc). She said that she had to pay her pimp 4000 USA Dollars in order to buy her freedom (4000 USA Dollars is like approximately 120000 Thai Baht; I don't know why they use USA Dollars as their currency).
Then, the pimp would provide her a one-way flight ticket and allow her to go back home. She would be free.
She wanted me to give her 120000 Thai Baht to help her gain her freedom...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1618236]Today Bangkok actually has clear blue skies and few clouds and so is very hot like it used to be 20 years back. This is not that common these days in my experience. Just the odd day here and there.[/QUOTE]If you were here in March, April, and May you would not say the same thing. The last three hot seasons have been very hot.
[QUOTE=Mushiboshi;1618025]Hi all,
As I read about does all the MP (oily or soapy) close by midnight? Because I have a over night layover in BK, I will arrive BK around midnight, what's the other option beside barfine a girl to hotel.
Thanks very much.[/QUOTE]You can try Sabai Sabai a 24 hr massage parlor.
[URL]http://sabaisabaimassages.com/index.php/sabai-sabai-massage[/URL]
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1618376]If you were here in March, April, and May you would not say the same thing. The last three hot seasons have been very hot.[/QUOTE]I have been here not for entire hot season. 2 years ago was exceptionally cool a couple of weeks before Songkran. I always skip Songkran itself.
I have noticed the Bangkok weather is not near as hot as 20 years ago, less direct sunshine. There are exception days and periods.
I am also more used to the heat and don't stay outside for long periods. Who would?
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1618421]I have been here not for entire hot season. 2 years ago was exceptionally cool a couple of weeks before Songkran. I always skip Songkran itself.
I have noticed the Bangkok weather is not near as hot as 20 years ago, less direct sunshine. There are exception days and periods.
I am also more used to the heat and don't stay outside for long periods. Who would?[/QUOTE]Smart, as it can be brutal. Being from TX I just hate the heat. My observation is that the hot seasons are hotter than when I moved here 15 years ago, but rainy seasons are milder (which is nice). Last cool season was brilliant. Best I have experienced. Even a bit chilled riding the motorbike some nights. However, the three cool seasons before were non-existent. But if we had San Diego weather here there would be twice as many people.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1617552]A good report Tester. I think you will find that there are a lot more girls like this one than you think in Baccara. You just have to fine tune your radar to lock on to them. Most Baccara girls that I have known intimately prefer not to return to the bar after a session unless it is to have drinks with me. They are satisfied to have made their quota for the night and now it is time for them to get something to eat and party all night with their friends in Thai clubs and bars. Only the mercenary girls want to go back to the Go Go and put out for 2nd customer. One customer a night is the modus operandi for confident, successful, good girls. Therefore, I seldom barfine a girl a second time if she goes back to her Go Go looking for a another customer. It's one of the reasons I prefer Baccara over Rainbow 4. Nearly all the RB4 girls I know have gone back to the bar afterwards. I consider that low class and mercenary, definitely not GFE.[/QUOTE]Mercenaries are those charging for their time. The rate depends on the length of time. A hooker is a mercenary for sex. A bar girl selling her body and time is a hooker. Nothing wrong with that.
Otherwise they would work for 7/11, still as a mercenary, but for store services.
If you don't like she goes back to the bar, pay her for LT and keep her with you.
ST is short time, that says all. Short time with you, not short time working day.
You guys are getting too intellectual on me. 555. Maybe it is partially my own fault for using sloppy imprecise language. All I am saying is I prefer Go Go girls that are not in a hurry to get back to their bars. I know a lot of real nice girls that are happy with one barfine a night and do not usually go back to their Go Go's after a session. I can see that "low class" and "mercenary" as applied to those girls who do entertain multiple barfines per night might be construed as pejorative terms and I take them back although I am still not into girls that want to hurry back to their bars.
What is Short Time? 45 minutes, one hour, two hours, three hours, one shag, not spending the night, or whichever comes first? Since each girl is an independent contractor, I believe the term is up to multiple interpretations and practices. I would never ask a girl to stay longer than she wants to, but when a girl and I are having a good time, ST can mean anything (short of spending the night) that we mutually want it to mean.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo]
What is Short Time? 45 minutes, one hour, two hours, three hours, one shag, not spending the night, or whichever comes first? Since each girl is an independent contractor, I believe the term is up to multiple interpretations and practices. I would never ask a girl to stay longer than she wants to, but when a girl and I are having a good time, ST can mean anything (short of spending the night) that we mutually want it to mean.[/QUOTE]Short time is anything between 1 shot and 2 hours. I never would expect to get more than that.
However I now have a Crazy House girl likes to fuck. Did not discuss duration nor price. Last time she stayed till midday.
She likes fucking. She insisted I could when I said I could not after too much alcohol. She did not want to wait too many hours more to get it off.
So this is unusual. She changed from Waitress to dancer as she needs to make more money. Likes to sell a few tequilas. That could be mercenary. Definitely likes to have fun too and time is of no consequence.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1618672]
However I now have a Crazy House girl likes to fuck. Did not discuss duration nor price. Last time she stayed till midday... Definitely likes to have fun too and time is of no consequence.[/QUOTE]This is exactly the kind of girl I am talking about.
My favorite Go Go girl usually stays til 12:30 am or so. On my last trip she skipped the usual meet up in her Go Go and came directly to my hotel saving me the 600 bt barfine. It was only after one of her girlfriends inadvertently let the mamasan see pictures of my girl's birthday party that I threw for her at Tawan Daeng (Red Sun Disco) on her facebook page that the mama wanted my girl back in the bar that very next night or else!! I remember my girl asking me in a most demure way if I minded going to Baccara that night to barfine her and I said of course not baby. I still give "M" the same 2500 bt per night I gave her when we first started seeing each other several years ago. Back then the 2500bt included a generous 500bt tip. It is all in my trip report which I think I will start posting this week. I already posted the Ermita and Jakarta segments of the trip in the appropriate forums.
It's nice to know my face is plastered all over several Baccara Go Go girl's facebook page. LOL.
Hello,
All members I am guy around 30 yrs old and have been mongering for almost 8 yrs now.
However this is my first report and many more to come.
Bangkok is one of my fav destinations.
Picked up this beauty from club Sho. Anyone who is familer with Bangkok knows about this club as it is one of the knows pick up place in BKK.
Went to this club with my friend around 11 pm. Club was not so crowded and male to female ratio was 1:3.
Many CIS waiting there and keeping eye on guys and making eye contacts. Paid 300 baht as cover charge which includes a free drink as well.
Went inside and ordered a beer, My frinend and I were on business trip and were talking to each other about work and suddenly this girl caught my eye.
BKK girls are quite friendly if they kind of like you in first look.
Approached her if she would like to join me for a drink, immediately she said yes and I ordered for a breezer for her and a chivas regal for my self.
Also gave some tip to the waitress which puts a good impression the girl.
Just danced with her for some time and then asked for her prices for which she quoted 3500 baht LT.
Not a bad deal, I asked her to take 4000 baht and make me happy as it was a tough and long working day for me.
Asked her if she want more drinks and she refused and we left the club for our hotel.
Whenever I go to Thailand I always purchase drinks from 7-11 and keep a stock in my room, cost saving LOL.
Came to room and reception charged 100 baht for her even though I had booked hotel for double occupancy.
Had few rounds of drinks and took shower together. After that she became wild on bad. Perfect figure, perfect boobs and she was around 5-8.
She told me that she was not a pro and owns a cosmetic shop and does this work for additional income.
Perfect smoocher, gave me uncovered BJ which was quite unusual as I only got twice in my 5 trips to BKK.
Banged her 2 times and we both slept nude.
I have banged many thai girls but she was one of my finest experience in BKK.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1618811]This is exactly the kind of girl I am talking about.
My favorite Go Go girl usually stays til 12:30 am or so. On my last trip she skipped the usual meet up in her Go Go and came directly to my hotel saving me the 600 bt barfine. It was only after one of her girlfriends inadvertently let the mamasan see pictures of my girl's birthday party that I threw for her at Tawan Daeng (Red Sun Disco) on her facebook page that the mama wanted my girl back in the bar that very next night or else!! I remember my girl asking me in a most demure way if I minded going to Baccara that night to barfine her and I said of course not baby. I still give "M" the same 2500 bt per night I gave her when we first started seeing each other several years ago. Back then the 2500bt included a generous 500bt tip. It is all in my trip report which I think I will start posting this week. I already posted the Ermita and Jakarta segments of the trip in the appropriate forums.
It's nice to know my face is plastered all over several Baccara Go Go girl's facebook page. LOL.[/QUOTE]In contrast to my Crazy H girl, the top girl at Suzi W, has a lot of customers to try to juggle. She can make 7 K+ on a good night by several STs, or one ST followed by a LT. She maximises how many customers can be done on Fri-Sat by doing some of them upstairs in house. She is business minded and takes very few days off. No drinking, no partying, etc. Likes to go to the movies. Even though I am a relatively difficult customer, taking long time to cum, she likes to take me in spare time slots or unusual times, because I pay well. I have no illusions. Even if she gets turned on, embarrassingly for her (she will not discuss it LOL), she would not take me if I was not a good source of money and relatively gentle and respectful. You would call her very mercenary.
If you expect your girl to be happy with 2500 per night, you aren't doing her any favours. A busy Oily girl will make a hell of a lot more than that per night, and so will busy bargirls. Bargirls with hardly any customers is another matter altogether.
Day 17 Saturday March 15,2014 Bangkok Day 1 (Semi Monogamy):
Note: I was fortunate to visit Malate, Jakarta, Singapore, Phnom Penh, BKK, Pattaya, Macau, AC, Barrio Barreto, and Makati in that order on this my 2014 South East Asia Trip. I had a great time and met some fantastic girls everywhere. So far I have posted reports covering the Malate and Jakarta segments of my trip in the appropriate ISG forums. I am jumping ahead of myself a little bit by posting my BKK trip now. I will go back and post my Singapore and Phnom Penh experiences shortly. I would suggest you guys take a look at my previous posts especially the Jakarta posts to get an idea of what I like to do and the type of girls I like to hook up with. BKK this time around was a little different for me. I spent a lot of time with one particular girl. That's why I jokingly subtitled this report "semi monogamy". I am not advocating semi monogamy or anything like it. I love variety as much as anybody, but this is what I did this year in BKK and I had a good time. Anyway, I hope you guys find the report interesting and informative. Here goes:
Bangkok the big mango: where to begin? This city is my all-time favorite destination on planet Earth. There is no place like it. There are thousands of girls in so many different venues; from FL's all over Sukhumvit, to bars and Go Go's, to naughty massage shops, oily massage parlors, soapy massage parlors, to discos, nightclubs (Soi 11's big drawing point), dance clubs, all the way up to G-Clubs where one can find the hottest Thai model quality girls. Whenever I am in BKK, I find myself literally tripping over attractive friendly girls everywhere I go and I realize there is no way I can find the time or stamina to shag even a small percent of all the sexy girls that are available and I would like to shag.
In any case, I arrived in BKK at 10 am on the morning early bird flight from Phnom Pen with a doozy of a hangover and less than 3 hours of sleep. My last night in Phnom Penh was pretty wild. There were no lines at immigration and I sailed through swampy in record time. I jumped in a taxi to the Fraser Suites Hotel on Soi 11. The fare was around 250 bt, but I gave the driver a 100 bt tip because he did not try to scam me with a preset price and he ran his meter.
I have stayed at the Fraser Suites Hotel on previous trips and I like the hotel. The 60 sq. Meter 1 bedroom suites are large and comfortable, the pool while not very big is good for sunny afternoons and evening recreation, if you know what I mean, ha ha, and Soi 11 is a great party street and an overall good place to set up headquarters in Bangkok. Fraser one bedroom suites are usually priced between $90 and $105 depending on demand so, all things considered, I think the Fraser Suites Hotel is a good value at the high end. There are good less expensive options on Soi 11 as well, like the President Palace.
Although I really like the night life on Soi 11, I only booked 8 of my 19 days in BKK at the Fraser. I like to change neighborhoods and locations when I stay in BKK for longer than 10 days. This keeps things fresh. It is surprising how a small change in location from say Soi 11 to Soi 23 really makes a difference in what I do and where I go.
After checking in, I took care of a few necessities right off the bat like buying a local Thai sim card at a nearby 7/11 and stocking up on soda, juice, beer, Listerine, etc. At the Villa Market a block down from the Fraser. Because of my headache and lack of sleep last night, I did not do too much else today and just kind of lounged around.
While at the Vila Market, I took a stroll down the Ambassador Hotel Arcade where there are a dozen or so small naughty massage shops. Last year while staying on Soi 11, I met J, a cute girl that worked at Chuan 8, one of the small massage shops and I took her back to the Fraser twice because she was sexy and very good in bed. So I thought I would drop by and say Hello, but J's shop has apparently gone out of business. Too bad. I put calling or texting her on my to do list, but I never got around to calling her, so I ended up not seeing her on this trip.
Anyway, there are a ton of friendly massage girls waiting out in front of these small massage shops who wanted to make my acquaintance and show me a good time. What a welcome home to BKK parade it is to walk down the Ambassador Arcade toward Soi 13 with all the girls saying, "Hi, how are you. Want a massage. " But I had other plans for the day (and the trip) which I am about to relate, so as much fun as I know some of these girls can be, I did not avail myself of their hospitality this trip.
After taking care of my necessary chores, I walked over to Monsoons on Soi 8 for lunch. I wouldn't call Monsoons an authentic Thai, Thai restaurant, but it has a nice ambiance, I like some of the waitresses that work there, and the restaurant has a large selection of Thai, Western, and Mexican tasty entrees. I had their Larb Moo and a mango smoothie for lunch.
While at Monsoons, I sent a text message to M, my favorite BKK girl telling her I was in town and that she should call me as soon as she sees my message. She already knew I was arriving today and we had plans to go to dinner and to you know what afterwards, but I wanted to get the ball rolling as far as setting up the time we were going to get together and where, my place of her Go Go.
After lunch I took a nap by the Fraser Pool. M called and said she wanted to come by my hotel around 7 pm. I said great. It had been 10 months since I had last seen her and I was really looking forward to being with her again.
I guess now is the right time to go into a brief overview of my history with M which dates back to March 2010. Before I started shagging M, the longest period of time I kept seeing a bar girl was 2. 5 years. I always liked M and I found her really sweet and sexy at the same time, but the sex has gotten better and more intimate every year we have gotten together. I think the sex we now have is light years ahead of how it was when we first started shagging.
In 2010, the year I met her, I barfined her 2 times and the sex was good, but nothing amazing. I thought she was a pretty girl with a likable personality. That was it. No big deal. I was turned on by her spinner body and her firm wet pussy. I kind of forgot about her after I left BKK that year.
In 2011, I unexpectedly ran into M at Baccara. I did not recognize her at first, but she recognized me. I barfined her 3 nights in a row after we bumped into each other. The sex was good and I enjoyed her company. I then thought she was above average.
In 2012, I was lucky to be able to visit LOS two times that year. I had a stunner in Pattaya I was shagging at the time, but the stunner was expensive to maintain and difficult to manage. She came up to BKK to see her mother and daughter and we spent a couple of nights together. Because I had a direct comparison of the stunner with the demure, easy going, cute M, I started to lose interest in the stunner. After my second visit to LOS in fall 2012, I knew I really liked M and we began to keep in touch via Yahoo Messenger.
But, it was my 2013 trip last year that was a watershed event as far as our sexual relationship goes. For one thing, I barfined her almost every night for two weeks straight on this trip. Then, I invited her to come with me to the southern islands. It was while we were on Phuket in April last year that M started to get into DFK. Up to then she did it, but only when I initiated it and only for short amount of time. I was persistent but never pushed DFK on her because I know a lot of Thai girls just aren't into it. But then something happened and she changed while we were in Phuket. Suddenly she started DFK'ing me whenever she was getting off during intercourse. It was also while we were on the Phuket trip that we started barebacking. Before Phuket 2013, she had always insisted on a condom and I always went along with it. I used to joke around with her by hiding the condom and telling her I was out of protection everytime she wanted to cover me up before intercourse. She would give me one of her looks and I would suddenly find a condom under a magazine or something on the night stand. By the way, she always applied the condom with only her mouth. I wonder who taught her that little trick.
Anyway, it was during my 2013 trip that I started to spend a significant amount of time rubbing her labia minora with my dick before suiting up and having sex with her. Massaging her pussy lips tenderly with my shaft really turned her on and finally while we were on holiday in Phuket, she could not resist any longer and we started bare backing. That really added a new dimension and depth to our shag sessions.
So that was one of the many reasons I was expecting to having great time with M this trip and I was looking forward to starting up where we had left off 10 months ago. I wondered how much more intimate and sexually satisfying things could possibly get.
My hangover from last night's drinking with V finally blew over and I found myself feeling good but with nothing to do in the late afternoon. How can that be? This is BKK. It was 5 pm and M was not going to be here for another two hours, so I decided to go out and check some things out for future reference. I had heard good things about Bamboo Massage parlor which had opened their doors while I was away. I believe it is owned by a former Mango superstar. In any case I thought of it earlier when I had walked past it after lunch at Monsoons over on Soi 8. So I went there and saw 10 girls in the lineup at around 5:15 pm. I liked the look of Pink best and if not for my date with M, I would have taken her right then and there. The girls were noticeably disappointed that I was not going to take anybody so I took Pink aside and told her I liked her and I would definitely come back another day to see her.
Next, I stopped off at Hillary 3 Bar on Soi 11 and had a diet coke. The lovely and charming May came over to say Hello,. I thought May was sexy for a 28 year old bar girl plus she had a nice friendly way about her, so I bought her a drink and we got to talking. May of course wanted to know where I was staying and how long I was going to be in town. She put her hand on my crotch under the table to let me know she wanted to be friends. She told me her age and seemed to lament that she was getting old. I told her she was not old and she was just the right age for me. (I like to make bar girls feel good.) I told her I had a date; otherwise I would really consider spending the night with her. May became curious about whom I was going to see and I saw no reason not to tell her. I intentionally told May how old M was and it meant nothing to me.
While talking about my relation with M, my phone rings and it is M, speak of the devil. She says she is in a taxi and will be at my hotel in 20 minutes. So I finish my coke and wrap up the conversation with May. Then I head back to my hotel. May was attractive and nice. I include her in my trip report solely to illustrate that here was another girl I would have been happy to shag, but that I never got around to. Let's see; its 5:45 pm, I have been in BKK only a few hours, hung over, and I have met Pink, May, said Hi to a couple of real friendly massage girls, and I have a Go Go girlfriend on her way to me in a taxi. Already there are more girls than I can do in any one evening.
The Reunion:
Twenty five minutes later M calls telling me she in in the lobby and asking that I come down and get her.
As I walked off the elevator, I saw her sitting on a couch at the far end of the lobby looking so pretty. She sees me as I start across the lobby and she gets up and walks towards me with a smile on her face. She is wearing a very nice dress that flatters her curves. We greet each other with a hug. I tell her how pretty she is and then I notice it and say, "M, you have red hair!" She laughs and strikes a pose, "do you like it?" She asks. I tell her she looks very sexy. In truth her new hair color is a dark auburn, not bright red. It is a little wild, but it works for her. I don't mind.
So we walk over towards the elevator hand in hand. Once inside the elevator the kisses start flying and she tells me she has missed me so much. Yada yada, and I missed her too so I think the feeling is real.
We sit down in the living room and M begins to tell me what is going on in BKK. She starts by telling me how much she dislikes the demonstrations around Asok and Sukhumvit. In our Yahoo messaging, she gave me a basic outline, but now in person she fills me in with much more detail about how it has been for her. She says she has not gone to work at Baccara for a long time. I wonder why because Cowboy has remained open while the demonstrations have been going on and there are ways to avoid the demonstrators completely by simply driving down Soi 23 to Cowboy, but I don't question what she says. I listen and unless it is really important I let it go. In time I usually understand what she is trying to say. She speaks English well, but sometimes her choice of words can be unintentionally misleading.
As regards M and her employment picture, I learn over the next few days that she hasn't been to Baccara in several weeks, but the demonstrations are just part of the reason. The truth is she is not getting any younger. I think she is still as cute and sexy as she was when I first shagged her, but I see new girls at Baccara that have her same look and body type that are 10 years younger than M. These 19 and 20 year old spinners could be M's nieces. M is about to celebrate her 32 birthday in just a couple of days. She is not dumb. She sees the handwriting on the wall. Her monthly number of barfines at Baccara are declining while at the same time the bar still requires her to maintain a monthly quota.
M tells me she is taking Insurin business lectures and workshops. I am not sure what Insurin is, but I try to be supportive. In any case, she is real happy to see me and of that there is no doubt. A huge cash infusion is about to come her way. LOL. I get a couple of beers from the kitchen and we begin to talk about more happy things like her birthday party on the 19th. Last year I took M and her posse out to Red Sun Disco, her favorite bar, disco, supper club and we had a gas all night long. M wants to have this year's party at the same place. Which reminded me that I had brought her a birthday present. I retrieve it from my suitcase and give it to her. It is a Citizen Lady's wrist watch. I saw it at Costco on sale for $120 (list price $250) and I thought she would like it because it was petite and looked kind of classy. She tries it on and the watch lays elegantly on M's slender wrist. I guess I was right about the gift because M was very happy now and we start making out.
But before things get too heavy, I ask her if she is hungry. She says she is hungry and she has not eaten all day. I ask where she wants to go for dinner and she says, "Up to you. I tell her about an upscale place I have heard about on Soi 23 called The Local. M has not heard of this restaurant, but she is game to go there. So we take a taxi over to The Local which turns out to be a very nice upscale Thai restaurant and everyone there was very friendly to us.
[URL]http://www.thelocalt...e.com/about-us[/URL]
The restaurant's goal to supposedly preserve traditional Thai Royal Court cuisine. I don't know what they mean by traditional Royal Thai cooking, because none of the dishes we ordered tasted like the Thai food I am used to or that I am sure M is used to. But the food was tasty and very interesting so I give the place a thumbs up. I would like to go there again to try different items on the menu. We ordered Gaeng Run Juan, a curried beef noodle dish, but it did not taste like any Thai curry I ever had before. It was mild yet it had flavor. Then we had Pak Miang Pad Kai. Pak Miang is a leafy green vegetable, sort of a cross between spinach and rapini. The vegetable is stir fried with an egg and various spices and it was really good. It kind of resembled a green Pad Thai although the flavor was really unique. Then we had steamed Thai Mackerel with Coconut Milk and Lotus root. The fish was fresh and expertly steamed, but the flavor was very subtle. I had ask to myself, "is this traditional or new wave Thai cooking?
In any case M and I were feeling good. The two Heinekens we each consumed didn't hurt matters at all. Now it was time to go back to the hotel, get comfy, and make boom boom. We got back to my hotel room just in time for M's favorite soap opera. I believe it is called "Not with my Husband," or at least that is what it is about. I get a laugh from watching these shows with M. In this particular soap there is this very beautiful girl who is also too nice for her own good. Then there is her husband who loves his hot wife, but he is a dolt and can't see that this other hot "bad" girl always hanging around wants him to and will do just about anything to have him. So the drama revolves around the hot "bad" girl always coming between the gullible halfwit yet faithful husband and the hot really nice wife. It is very funny and of course I say things and make commentary that my little Thai friend finds funny at times and so American barbaric at times. Anyway, we have fun watching the show together and during every commercial we start fooling around a little.
After the episode ended we took a shower together. I love to soap her up and massage her round little breasts and her pussy while she cleans me and gives me a soapy HJ. I also like to tease her and run a soapy finger along her anal rim. She used to jump away and say I was a crazy American for finger rimming her, but now she just seductively laughs and her body responds positively to my hand movement. I usually leave the shower first and wait for her on the bed.
This night we made out a long time in the shower and again while naked on the bed. Then I gave her a cat licking all the way down to her pussy. Now here is another example of where our intimacy has really grown over the years. In the early days, she was not much into receiving oral sex. She didn't object to it because I was the customer, but looking back, I can see that she just wasn't into it. One time a few years back (2012 maybe) I noticed that she was less than enthusiastic as I was about to go down on her, so I asked her if she liked it. I was surprised by her off handed comment, "it is like visiting the doctor. " At first I did not understand what she was meant, but then I got it. She was comparing DATY and having a customer stick his face into her pussy to sitting in a gynecologist chair with her legs wide apart in the stirrups and the doctor examining her. Wow, what a comparison. Not exactly a good time! LOL. Well I am proud to tell you guys that I have converted my little rock and roll and she is now a big fan of receiving oral sex from yours truly and she has had many orgasms from it.
So tonight I began slowly on her orals, but soon she was very wet. I looked up and her eyes were half closed and she was moaning something very softly. I continued playing her clit with my tongue and licking her all over. Then she began to writhe and I concentrated solely on her clit and started sucking it. This sent her over the top. I came up for air afterwards and we made out as she recovered. Then it was my turn and she went down on me. She gives a quality BBBJ. I already mentioned how she used to put a condom on my dick with just her mouth. Tonight I had to stop her or I would have had an orgasm. She moved up on me with a naughty smile and impaled her little pussy on my dick. I really like what she does in cowgirl. It is what she does best. She has some great moves and really gets into it. Pretty soon we were both on the edge. I palmed her small breasts and we went forward. Finally we palmed each other's hands for maximum leverage and support and we went all the way. She collapsed on me afterwards. Later she said she had two orgasms. One from the oral and one from the cowgirl. If she was acting she deserves an Oscar. It was a great reunion shag and the first of many more to come with her on this trip.
After we recovered we adjourned to the shower to clean up. Thai girls are the most fastidious girls I have ever met. After a little playful shower time, we lay back in bed and watched some more TV. We talked about what we would do tomorrow. She asked if I wanted to visit her and have dinner with her and some of her friends at Family BBQ, a restaurant near her apartment. I know most of her working friends. I. e. Girlfriends in the business. They all come from Issan and knew each other before they ended up in the big city. M's friends are very nice girls. She is like the older sister of the group because she seems the most grounded. I really like her friends. I like being with them when they have their hair down so to speak because they accept my presence among them and take care of me, but also treat me like I am just one of the group. The one with a wallet. LOL.
I would love to shag a couple of these girls, but I don't think I can pull it off successfully without blowing it big time. M knows about many of the Baccara girls I have shagged in the past and she accepts it since there not much she can do about it. But I wouldn't want to insult her to her face by going after one of her friends. That's why I usually shag Go Go girls from other bars when I am not with M. Occasionally I do shag an old Baccara friend or two, but I always let the other girls know that M is my #1.
Talking about our plans for tomorrow night, M tells me she has girlfriend that I haven't met yet who is presently staying at her apartment. This girl works in Insurin (whatever that is) and is the one who has turned M on to the job possibility. I tell M I think it will be great to have dinner near her place. We settled on meeting up again at 6 pm tomorrow at her apartment.
It was now around 1 am. I was really tired and M had some things to do back at her place so we got dressed and I escorted her down to the lobby. It was not too difficult to find her a taxi, but some taxi drivers do not want to leave the Sukhumvit area.
Before we left my room, I put 2500 bt in M's purse. This is what I always give her except when she stays overnight which is rare because we both prefer our modified short time together. Our short time consists of 4, 5, or 6 hours, dinner, TV, and a shag. The amount derives from her original ST price to me back in 2010 when I met first her at Baccara. Back then she was asking 2000 bt and I always used to tip her 500 bt because I liked her and she never clocked me. So now that is what I always give her and she is happy with it.
Note: no barfine tonight. On this trip, I only barfined a few times and that was when she just had to show up at Baccara and I being her friend went along with it and ran up rather large bar tabs there. We had a couple great parties at Baccara this trip. I will get to all the good stuff in due time. Right now I was very happy to be back in BKK. After M left in a taxi, I was still out on Soi 11 and I thought about going over to Climax. It was now prime time Saturday night for Climax which stays open until 4 am. But, I really was too tired for any of that, so I went back upstairs and fell into a sound sleep.
Pictures: #1. J a Chuan 8 massage girl & #2. M at Kamala Beach, Phuket 2013.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1619318]Day 17 Saturday March 15,2014 Bangkok Day 1 (Semi Monogamy):
Note: I was fortunate to visit Malate, Jakarta, Singapore, Phnom Penh, BKK, Pattaya, Macau, AC, Barrio Barreto, and Makati in that order on this my 2014 South East Asia Trip. I had a great time and met some fantastic girls everywhere. So far I have posted reports covering the Malate and Jakarta segments of my trip in the appropriate ISG forums. I am jumping ahead of myself a little bit by posting my BKK trip now. I will go back and post my Singapore and Phnom Penh experiences shortly. I would suggest you guys take a look at my previous posts especially the Jakarta posts to get an idea of what I like to do and the type of girls I like to hook up with. BKK this time around was a little different for me. I spent a lot of time with one particular girl. That's why I jokingly subtitled this report "semi monogamy". I am not advocating semi monogamy or anything like it. I love variety as much as anybody, but this is what I did this year in BKK and I had a good time. Anyway, I hope you guys find the report interesting and informative. Here goes:
Bangkok the big mango: where to begin? This city is my all-time favorite destination on planet Earth. There is no place like it. There are thousands of girls in so many different venues; from FL's all over Sukhumvit, to bars and Go Go's, to naughty massage shops, oily massage parlors, soapy massage parlors, to discos, nightclubs (Soi 11's big drawing point), dance clubs, all the way up to G-Clubs where one can find the hottest Thai model quality girls...[/QUOTE]Awesome summary. Felt like I am there on the side streets and could almost smell some of the girls & Thai curries, of course LOL. I am arriving next week and plan to stay at Sofitel for few days before deciding to switch to different location, if needed. Looks like location change is indeed a good idea for obvious reason. Thanks for sharing the experience. When do we get to read Chapter II?
[QUOTE=WayneRooney;1619069]Hello,
All members I am guy around 30 yrs old and have been mongering for almost 8 yrs now.
However this is my first report and many more to come.
Bangkok is one of my fav destinations.
Picked up this beauty from club Sho. Anyone who is familer with Bangkok knows about this club as it is one of the knows pick up place in BKK.
Went to this club with my friend around 11 pm. Club was not so crowded and male to female ratio was 1:3.
Many CIS waiting there and keeping eye on guys and making eye contacts. Paid 300 baht as cover charge which includes a free drink as well..[/QUOTE]Planning a visit next week and it's been a while I have been to BKK. So never heard of Sho. Care to share the address? Appreciated.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1619318]Note: no barfine tonight. On this trip, I only barfined a few times and that was when she just had to show up at Baccara and I being her friend went along with it and ran up rather large bar tabs there. We had a couple great parties at Baccara this trip. I will get to all the good stuff in due time. Right now I was very happy to be back in BKK. After M left in a taxi, I was still out on Soi 11 and I thought about going over to Climax. It was now prime time Saturday night for Climax which stays open until 4 am. But, I really was too tired for any of that, so I went back upstairs and fell into a sound sleep.[/QUOTE]Excellent report, I enjoyed reading it. Waiting for the next instalment.
[QUOTE=Fox333;1619344]Planning a visit next week and it's been a while I have been to BKK. So never heard of Sho. Care to share the address? Appreciated.[/QUOTE]Hi,
Sorry name of the place is shock 39.
Omw over to Bangkok for some fun nightlife.
Any of you guys over there know where to go nowdays if out late when almost everything close 2 am?
[QUOTE=Fox333;1619344]Planning a visit next week and it's been a while I have been to BKK. So never heard of Sho. Care to share the address? Appreciated.[/QUOTE]I've been to BKK lots of times and I've never heard of this club either. Maybe I'm just too lazy to get out and about.
[QUOTE=Kerrstar;1619451]I've been to BKK lots of times and I've never heard of this club either. Maybe I'm just too lazy to get out and about.[/QUOTE]Neither has Google.
i landed around noon and went straight to dr bjs to find that they had fired the few attractive girls they had one year ago and replaced them with fat women with beards. the lady with the resized titties is still there but i am so over her. i went to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and found one acceptable girl already on her way up with someone. i waited for her under the angry supervision of the grandmothers there.
at the second floor of nana they have 20-year old something somewhat attractive girls advertised by mama as teens. i fucked a girl on location called "la" or "a" or whatever for 2000 and i was very happy with her faked beginner service. in the light of the st hotel room i could see she was probably closer to 25 than the advertised teen age which i will not spell out further here. she kissed me and it tasted like she had her fill of dick in her mouth during the day. or eaten bugs. or both. it was still a bit romantic and service was funny.
she sucked on my balls for 20 minutes and i slapped my cock around in her face it was very sweet of her. i also fucked her of course but her pussy was very wide so in a position were i "sat-and-fucked" her i could actually see the whole of my penis although it was inside the pussy! because the upper part of her pussy was so loose! it was intriguing but i put it in her ass for release she wanted 1000 extra for this i thought it was rude considering her pussy was not up to pair. the best part was the blow job still because she held it in her mouth like a lolly and made as if she was thinking really hard. i had to bob the head for her and every time she look surprised!
the rest of the place is depressing. it is 90% women who should have their own stable of girls now and proudly call themselves mama instead of trying to pass themselves off as 20-something beauties in the horror that is nana. older and uglier trying to look better than each other. the whole place is like a anti-prostitution documentary. if i had come to bangkok as a youngster 2014 i never would have got hooked on the scene. i saw a lot of unfortunate and duped men in their 30's with women in their 40's. many of them are petite and have make up like young girls but they are still wrinkled and mothers belly swinging loosely in the dark from to many baby to have shit. maybe we can call these exhibits "lady-girls" as you use to call "lady-boys". because of old lady but tries and make stupid like the girl?
although i nearly had lost my appetite on my way down and out i went to eat a couple of blocks away from nana. at the restaurant i spotted a russian / european fl with her african friend. they were both great looking and as they left i slipped after them which they noticed and stopped to pretend to shop for some shit or other at one of the street shops on sukhumvit. they wanted 10 000 each. seem about right in retrospect considering the bill at the restaurant we ate at had run around 1500 for one person and that they were exceptionally good looking considering the poor quality of girls in general around. i did however not go for it.
as i browsed through the street action i badly regretted this decision. finally i went to look at the lineup at eden or hell club or whatever at soi 7. i picked the two prettiest and slimmest available (they were still pretty ugly and fat) and went to the room and had them wank and suck me for about two hours. i told them to turn the light the hell out and turn the volume on the tv up. it was a quite expensive wank / suck and i really should have gone with one of the hot fl from the restaurant instead. the porn was ok it was a threesome with asia akira and she was a bit unsure first as whether to do it or not because they were two but gradually she was convinced, that was the scene when i finally came.
on my way home my luck changed as a really beautiful african fl on sukhumvit caught my attention. it was 2000 for st after tough negotiation and off we went. she made everything she could to make me feel uncomfortable, tried to give me cbj, gave me bbj with teeth, acted like it was a unusually smelly cock etc etc. i didn't really care this girl was really hot and couldn't really get out of that and i had a wonderful fuck. last time i was in bangkok i had noticed that the africans were the gems among the trash and finally i took my business there! wise decision. however i would of course have gotten an even prettier girl for so much less in africa and 2000 is after all almost st with an equally beautiful wg in europe so.
i am not satisfied with my overall bangkok experience so far and the first times i came here i was not only satisfied. i was overjoyed! the scene here has really changed and not for the better. i will go and check soi cowboy now and write if they have put the beautiful girls there as was the case 8 years ago they put everyone there and in nana only for the mirror repellant lizards of old. this is sometimes the case that the pretty girls get scared when to many ugly women in one place and the ugly women get angry with the pretty ones and they hunt them out of their territory with evil words and dirty gaze so they can try and be shit-crowned princess of the dumpster.
regards,
really old and grumpy bugger.
day 18 sunday march 16,2014 bangkok day 2 (semi monogamy):
i woke up around 10 am feeling good and well rested. i showered and walked over to au bon pain two blocks down soi 11 to have a double shot skinny caf latte and a banana muffin. i think the coffee is better here than at the fraser hotel restaurant. after breakfast i went on a bit of a walkabout. i took the bts to chitlom station where i got off and went to unite change one of the better money exchange shops in the city. unite is directly underneath the chitlom southern exit, next door to hagen daz, and in front of the renaissance hotel. you can't miss it. they always offer the best rates in town.
after loading up on some baht i walked over to platinum fashion mall on the 6th floor to take a look at their latest line thai t-shirts: line thai makes some of my best thai t-shirts:
[url]http://www.linethait...collection.html[/url]
bangkoker is another great t-shirt maker: [url]http://bkker.com/[/url] .
i always buy some t-shirts from both of these stores whenever i am in bkk. line thai has 3 outlets in the chatuchak weekend market and that is where i usually go to buy in quantity. they know me over there in the market and they give me a friendly discount. bangkoker is a little shop over on samsen road near the river. they really have a great line of cool shirts. not the usual tourist stuff. i wear an x-large so they have to make my shirts to order. there is usually a two day wait period. anyway, i was in the neighborhood so i decided to drop platinum fashion mall and naturally i bought a couple of t-shirts. then i walked back to the chitlom bts taking in the local sights along the way and headed back to nana station and soi 11.
for lunch, i decided to give chili culture near my hotel a try. i have walked past this restaurant many times. it looks kind of nice and on occasion it is filled with a lot customers so what the hell. the food at chili culture is supposed to be northern thai cuisine which i love, so i ordered northern style pork sausage and khao soi. the food was just ok, not even close to how great it can really be at good chiang mai restaurants. it is funny how hard it is to find a great khao soi in bangkok. i know of only a couple of bkk places that do it right.
after lunch i headed straight to the fraser swimming pool and cooled out. there were only a couple of other guests using the facilities so it was very relaxing there. m called and we firmed up our plans for dinner. i would meet up with her and a few of her friends and then we would go to family bbq restaurant near her apartment at around 6 pm. i like m's girlfriends. they are really nice girls and i was looking forward to seeing them again. the only downside to this whole affair was that i would have to take a taxi during bkk rush hour from soi 11 to the ramkhamhaeng university neighborhood where m lived. oh well. it could not be helped.
m's apartment is in a middle class thai neighborhood. i never see more than one farang out of thousands of people whenever i go there. her apartment is a small, but respectable one room studio. her queen size bed serves as a couch whenever she has company over. she has two dressers along the two outer walls. there is a tv on one dresser and alongside it a small wet bar refrigerator. there are clean empty glasses and bottles of booze & soft drinks on top of the dresser. an ice maker is conveniently located just down the hall near the elevator. on top of the other dresser are stuffed animals and other personal stuff. the apartment has a balcony where m hangs her dresses like it was a closet. the balcony also serves as a smoke room in case anybody wants to have a cigarette. the apartment bathroom is a large square tiled room and there is no separation between the shower, the sink, and the john, so whenever anyone takes a shower the floor gets wet.
but all in all i was very impressed with m's apartment the first time i saw it a couple years ago. compared to the dormitory living my subic girl has to endure, m is living well. m's studio apartment is comparable to a college type apartment in the usa. the building has 24 hour security, air conditioning, an elevator and like i said the neighborhood is middle class bkk thai with many shops and restaurants on her particular soi off ramkhamhaeng road.
like i feared, the taxi ride to m's apartment took about an hour. it took almost 15 minutes just to turn north on asok. she called me wondering where i was just as the taxi turned onto her soi. when i finally got out of the taxi "de" and "be" where already standing in front of the apartment building waiting to greet me.
both girls work at baccara and are very popular. it was really nice to see the two of them again after a too long 10 month absence. they looked so lovely, "be" especially. i have always been hot for be since i first met her. she is still young, only 24, and what a natural isaan beauty. too bad be has been unlucky in love. i will relate a little bit of her story at another time in my report. the, on the other hand is just a little darling possessing a really warm, genuine, outgoing personality. if she can't make you feel good, no girl can.
i get a real pleasure from spending time with these "good girls" with their hair down, their makeup off, being just what they are; young modern bangkok girls trying to make their own way in the big city. they remind me of the girls in a french film by the legendary auteur director, claude chabrol called " les bonnes femmes " or in english, "the good girls. " i think it is available on netflix. check it out. i give it 5*.
so be, de, and i walked over to family bbq and sit down at a table. soon m and her girlfriends from back home who are temporarily staying with her at her apartment arrive at the restaurant. i had never met these two house guests before. they are old childhood friends of m's. they are not pros. one of the new girls, "nn," is married and works in insurin (still not clear on what that is) and is helping m get a straight job in the business. i am not sure what the other girl does, but both girls seemed real nice and it was my pleasure to make their acquaintance. m and her two house guests sleep together on m's queen bed. i privately joked with m that i would like to spend the night at her apartment. she gave me a naughty look and laughed.
the girls were hungry so we got right down to business. family bbq is an outdoor eatery where customers can choose the ingredients they want to grill or cook in a hot pot from a large variety of seafood, chicken, pork, meat, and vegetables. both the grill and a hot pot are brought to your table and after that you are on your own although waiters come by to make sure the coals remain hot and waitresses are always refilling your drinks and bringing fresh ice cubes. the price of this all you can eat extravaganza is 190 bt per person including desert. drinks, especially alcohol are extra. the place is always crowded for diner. there are a lot of these type of restaurants rep001tered around bkk.
now if there is one thing i have learned from spending time with m and her girlfriends it is that thai girls love to eat and they can really pack it away. i eat fast and as consequence, stuff myself too quickly. thai girls, on the other hand eat slow, but continuously. it is a version of the tortoise and the hare and the tortoise always wins. in this case the girls always end up out eating me. it is amazing, for example, when even after eating and drinking for a 90 minutes, one of the girls will invariably get up from the table and go get another plate of shellfish or 15 or 20 shrimp to be grilled.
just as we were about to begin the first course, the lovely "p" arrives via taxi and joins our table. i always liked p a lot. she is a very attractive girl with a heart of gold. i have often thought about shagging her along with be many times. i was glad she was able to make out little dinner party.
during dinner all the girls looked after me making sure my bowl of soup was always filled and that i always had a plate of something or something to eat hot off the grill. m would pick the snail or oyster meat out their respective shells for me. she would make me a plate of around 15 oysters or snails and then prepare some shell fish for herself. be would peel my grilled shrimp for me and she was the overall grill master. the would watch over the hot pot and would add fresh water, vegetables, or fish whenever they were needed. my job was just to eat and be the man. i was also the mix master and made sure everybody had a tall glass of beer and ice. yes, that's right. my thai girls like their beer ice cold on the rocks. lol.
so after a couple of hours eating and drinking, everybody was full and feeling good so i paid the bill and we went over to m's apartment. the six girls and i all sat or reclined on m's bed / couch. m asked if i was comfortable leaning back against the bed board and she put a couple of her pillows behind me to cushion my back. she turned on the tv to the girl's favorite soap opera. at one point p decided to try on some new eye makeup so be was helping her with that and m was talking over a few things with her houseguests, so de decided now would be a good time to give me a back massage. she had powerful hands and she was doing a great job. then she decided to stand up and walk on my legs and lower back. that was cool. i then reciprocated by giving de a shoulder massage. "nn", one of the overnight guests decided to take a shower. m came over and laid down beside me with her head on my shoulder. then p decided to use my thigh for a head rest. after a while i got up to go to the bathroom, but the floor was wet from nn's recent shower so m gave me her bunny slippers to walk on the bathroom floor.
and that's the way the evening progressed more or less. the tv was on in the background. the girls texted on their cell phones, worked on their hair and makeup, played video games, tried on clothes, flirted with or rested on me, and we had various conversations. at some point, the general conversation moved on to where i was staying. the girls knew about soi 11 nightclubs of course and i said my favorite one was climax. the girls agreed that climax was pretty good, but nn, one of the overnight guests had never been there, so it being around 11 pm now, i suggested we take the party over to soi 11.
be had a date with a customer, but m, the, p, the two guest roomies and i took a taxi to climax disco. it was a sunday night so it was not the best night in the week to go there plus we were a little early when we got there at around 11:45 pm, but we got a table, ordered some drinks, and watched the band play. they were not bad and the lead singer was a bit of a looker. slowly the place started to fill up with customers. there were definitely many more girls (fl's) there than men and some of the girls were very attractive. i was getting a few discreet looks from time to time despite the fact that i was with 5 girls. m and p saw a couple of girls they knew from baccara go go their customers. i know that if i had been there without my entourage it would have been good pickings.
after the 3rd round of drinks our party started to loosen up. m, p, and de started dancing with me while and nn and ai, the other house guest danced with each other. then i danced a little with nn, ai and m. nn was a good dancer for a straight married lady. lol.
around 3:30 am, m asked me if i want to boom boom. i say, "yeah you know i do" and we said goodbye to the roomies, p and de. the girls decide to stay at climax for a while. m and i walk back to the fraser. the hotel is only 1. 5 blocks away. i say hello, to the doorman and he salutes. m and i then make out in the elevator. in the room we soapy shower together and i am hard. i wait for m on the bed and when she comes to me, i go down on her. after she has an orgasm, she goes down on me. then we boom boom, first in cowgirl and then i sit up and put m on her back without leaving her pussy so i can finish her off in mish.
afterwards we shower again and m tells me she has to get up early for her insurin class or workshop. it is around 4:30 am now. she says she has to get up at 8. she asks if it is ok if she goes back to her apartment. i tell her of course it is. we get dressed. i place 2500 bt in her purse and i escort her down to the lobby where the doorman eventually finds a taxi willing to take her back to ramkhamhaeng. i kiss her goodbye while the taxi waits and tell her i miss her already. she says she will call me tomorrow afternoon. she waves out the back window as the taxi takes her down soi 11 and out of view. i can still hear some loud music coming from somewhere down the soi. i go back upstairs and collapse in bed. it was another good night in bkk.
Day 19 Monday March 17,2014 Bangkok Day 3 (Semi Monogamy):
Here is where the semi starts to kick in. After Sunday's all night out with the girls at Climax, I was a little tired and I took it slow getting up Monday morning, but in the afternoon around 2:30 pm I was feeling a little horny so I took the BTS over to Soi 24. I had never been to Cherry Massage before, but I have heard good things about the service there plus the web site has REAL pictures of their girls, so I decided to check them out.
[URL]http://cherrymassagebkk.com/ladies/[/URL]
The only problem with Cherry seems to be that they do not keep their girls on for very long I. E. There is a high turnover rate at this parlor for some reason or other.
In any case, I walked up the stairs to the front desk with a list of two or three hot cherry girls in my back pocket. I said Hello, to the receptionist and asked for a line up. I was surprised to see they only had 3 girls available at the time and none of the girls present were on my want list. No matter. A tall and dark semi cute girl was giving me a big pick me smile so I decided to give Frist, a new girl, a try. Now Frist, being a rather tall full figured girl, was not in my preferred spinner group of girls, but every once in a while I like to go against my preferred type and take someone different outside of my usual. Variety is good.
Frist seemed very happy that I had picked her although it was she who had actually picked me. She smiled and took my hand to lead me upstairs to a room.
Once we were alone Frist and I began to make out and Frist was very tender. Cherry is known as a porn oily massage parlor meaning everything is pretty much on the menu and the girls are insatiable. Several superstars have emerged from Cherry and gone on to other parlors like Bamboo. Even though Frist let me do anything I wanted and gave me DFK, BBBJ, a little anal rim, and passionate sex in Cow Girl, reversed Cow girl, Doggie, I felt the session was more GFE than porn star.
After our first round together, I snapped a few pictures and Frist told me a little about herself. She said she was 22 and that she had only been working at Cherry for a couple of days. I was her first customer. She told me she used to work at Baccara on the 2nd floor, but she left because she was too dark for the Japanese customers. I told her they were crazy and she had lovely skin.
She was very sweet and we kissed a lot during our intermission. Then Frist wanted to give me a massage. I lay over on my front side and she started to work on my back and shoulders. She asked if I liked a hard massage or soft. I told her to massage me anyway she wanted to. She had strong hands. After a while, I turned over onto my back and Frist started to massage my legs. It did not take her long to work her way up to my dick where she started off with a HJ, but quickly went down on me.
I was hard again and Frist applied a condom and got on top. After a while she leaned down to kiss me while she was riding me. I rolled her over and finished her off in mish. Afterwards we lay side by side holding each other and kissing. It was all very GFE tender and not very porn star, but I was alright with that. I thought Frist was a very nice girl next door type and I liked her.
She asked me to come see her again, she practically begged me, and hinted that she would love to do an overnighter with me. I told Frist I would see her again, but I never got back around to it because there are just too many opportunities in BKK. After I returned from my trip I saw that Frist's pictures have been taken down from the Cherry website. I hope she is doing OK, but I can't help thinking she just is not cut out for this line of work. She appeared too soft and vulnerable. Of course my impression may be due solely to her performance. Who knows?
But I left Cherry Massage feeling real good and very relaxed. I can't write a definitive review of Cherry massage because I feel I was there too early in the afternoon and missed the full line up. I look forward to visiting Cherry next time I am in BKK and checking out some of their other girls.
It was now after 4 pm. I had a text message from M on my cell phone so I called her to find out what was up. She said she was working at her Insurin until 5 pm and asked me what I was doing. I said I was just walking around. She asked me if I wanted to go to a "real Isaan" restaurant tonight with her two roomies. I said sure and she said she would come by my hotel to pick me up around 7 pm. I had no idea where we were going for dinner, but I knew it would be good. When M uses the word "Isaan" to describe something it means she thinks that it is great whatever it is that she is describing.
I still had some time on my hands and headed back to the Fraser to enjoy a late afternoon swim.
A little after 7 pm M called to say her taxi was arriving at my hotel. I went down to the lobby to see her and I invited everybody up to my room for a little drink. The girls and I had a round Vodka and sprite and then we left for dinner. The name of the restaurant M wanted to take me to is called Raja Seafood and it is located back near her Ramkhamhaeng neighborhood so the girls had come all the way to Sukhumvit Soi 11 just to pick me up.
Raja Seafood (or is it Racha Seafood) is a popular outdoor restaurant near the University. It took about 45 minutes to drive there fighting rush hour traffic the whole way. The specialty of the house is salt encrusted BBQ fish. They had about a dozen fish grilling on a rotisserie above hot coals as we entered. There was only one empty table. All the waitresses wear stewardess uniforms and are ladyboys.
We looked over the menu and the girls and I decided on the BBQ fish, of course with lemon sauce, Som Tom, of course, some spicy fish soup, and a variety of other Thai dishes. All the food was really great! Absolutely, the real thing. The BBQ whole fish was so good that we ordered a 2nd fish. Not only was the meat moist and so juicy due to the salt casing, but the lemon sauce that we dipped fork fulls of the fish into was out of this world. And expertly deboned the fish. The Som Tom was out of sight hot. I had to take a sips of beer after every mouthful. But it burned so good I couldn't stay away from it. And dig the tarantula that came with the dish. That should tell you something.
After dinner one of the ladyboy waitresses came by and asked how we liked the meal. I told her the food was outstanding and she seemed personally gratified by my positive exclamation. I was the only Farang for miles. She told me to come back anytime and believe me I plan on doing it.
After I paid the modest bill, the girls and I walked down the Soi looking at all the shops and people. We stopped at one fruit stand and I bought some Durian for later. We said goodbye to the roomies, Nn and Ai, and then M and I took a taxi back to the Fraser.
We were just in time to watch the tail end of one of M's favorite soaps. After the show we got down to boom boom. This was our third time together in as many days so far this trip and we were getting very intimate with each other. We had some soapy play in the shower and I left before she was through. M came out of the shower into the bedroom with a towel wrapped around her. She gave me a naughty smile and then she stuck out her hips and pointed to her ass letting out a "SZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ" as in sizzling hot while at the same throwing the towel aside with one sweeping gesture of her arm. It was very funny and sexy at the same time. Then she dove on top of me like she was diving off a jumping board into a swimming pool and I was the swimming pool.
We started making out. Then she went down on me, I went down on her, and we shagged in multiple positions. She had another couple of orgasms and I had one. Yada yada, but it was all really, really good. Her cowboy is the best; she really gets into it and when I do her in mish; it is not too shabby either.
After another shower together, we laid in bed watching a little TV and talked. She said she did not have to go to work tomorrow so if I wanted, she would take a taxi back to see me at around 4 pm tomorrow afternoon and we could go swimming. I really like swimming with M. She can't swim to save her life, but it is a lot of fun to dance around the pool with her holding me tight. M now has a lot of trust in me not to let her down in the water. She was very timid about swimming pools and beaches before I took her to Phuket last year.
So we made plans to hook up tomorrow. It was now a little after midnight. I put 2500 bt in M's purse as she brushed her hair in front of the mirror and then I escorted her down to the lobby. We found a taxi and said our goodbyes. Then she was off. I could hear music beckoning from down Soi 11 and I thought about going to one of the clubs, but I had 3 shags today and did not feel like another at the time. I also didn't feel like having a drink either so I went back upstairs where I caught up on some emails and then watched a movie. It was another good day in the big Mango.
bangkok city day two. the reckoning.
i woke up with a little hangover because i had drank altogether a bottle of hard liquor because of my flight. i don't like flying. and my dick was just rock hard and there was no way i could fit it in my pants without going bent and excusing manner like the politest of japanese 20 meters down the street from my hotel the rajah to annie's massage as it is the only thing i know is open at this hour in bangkok. the girls there were just to ugly even with my critical condition and i made it to soi 8 with a poor scooter guy who had me poking him all the way i don't think he give a shit i'm probably just a uptight foreigner but every time he brake i unwillingly come wrecking into his ass.
today there was also one ok looking girl at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. the last few times i've been to thailand and wanted a blow job i always had luck at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. at dr bjs when i went daytime. i'm not kidding. probably at least 20 girls working all of them looked grotesque except the girl from the webpage who i am just tired of. although she is extremely nice. i feel like a shithead but this is what traveling the world for pussy does to you you get extremely particular.
at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] almost every time i went there in bangkok or pattaya the last few years they always have at least one cute girl at any given time and i am so appreciative of this as i deep down feel that the blow job service is the only sexual act that truly calls for a payment from the male to the female and if the blow jobs at the location i'm at are not good i feel like a sad little child who lost belief in all fairness of the world? although 5-6 of the girls in the 7-girl lineup at the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] are always intolerable there always seems to be at least one gem and i am thankful for this furthermore i could really abuse her with my hungover hard-on and she did not complain at all it was quite the happy occasion i grabbed her head with both my hands and face fucked her in a pace she could take and she was really understanding.
i wen't to eat at charles brown next door to the tapas place i had eaten the day before on soi 11. i wanted to go here to check out the wild nightlife natty bumpo writes about and also to see if i could meet a englishman i had been chatting to yesterday but he was off somewhere hunting foxes or some other form of customary and strange entertainment in that part of the world. in the end i was happy not to see him again because the english are really fucked in the head sometimes? but we all are of course i just mean i really didn't care but i wanted to go and look at the daytime action in soi cowboy. basically i just wanted a friend. it's just you never hear anything about the english they eat fried fish and i mean you fry things all over the world and no one elsewhere claims it to be a national dish or anything? anyway if you are reading this i am really just lonely and bitter and i miss you.
i went to soi cowboy and afterskool as i again wanted the sweet pleasure of the mouth so famous for this part of the world. the most attractive girl at this time came over to me. she was maybe 23-24 and had a fat stomach and she excused herself with this explaining she was pompoi and for me to take her as she were and i did not protest at first. when she took me over to the far end of the bar however she explained that service was 1000 and that i could not relieve myself in her mouth i thought this insanely rude and told her to go get fucked which i really regretted because i forgot my fat wallet there with altogether in exchanged currency would be about 1000 euros and she came running after me with it i felt like a fool.
i went to some of the gogo bars also on soi cowboy and to tell the truth there were a lot of cute girls here so i guess this is were to go when looking for good looking girls in bangkok rather than nana. however the mamas was terribly greedy with their cuties and always wanted 3 or 4 thousand for st or even tell me to come back later if i wanted to fuck one of the gems. i was to eager for this and just felt as lazy as the sluts of bangkok themselves and went back digging in the bj scene and i even headed back to dr bjs and i have to be fair after dark there are actually several good looking girls there. i went with a nerdy one i had seen in a review on internet but never went with before she has big tits big ass and big frames and i was so happy with her i stayed one more time and just sat there relaxing and leaning back. i will be back tomorrow for one more fantastic blowjob as she tells me she gets on at 11. i regret everything i said about dr bjs after going there in the nighttime and everything considered i will still go back to thailand just for the bj scene checking out the latest gem at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and going to dr bjs etc.
i forget to tell i bring one girl to st hotel from soi cowboy. i had forgotten this myself because of the great blowjob. i really wanted a girl with a small pussy so i tried to find the girl but with no baby stomach in soi cowboy and who was not pretty. this turned out to be exactly what i had been looking for she was even to tight she could only take me in cowgirl! because she was so ugly in the face, even in comparison with the generally ugly working girls of bangkok, she had obviously had not many people fuck her pussy and also because i checked her body before she had no baby pop her pussy up so bad. it was marvelous but really hard to stomach looking at her but i really needed this as i had some really big pussies of late.
ok this is my amendment.
also if anyone is interested there are european / russian and indian ladies for hire at the hotel rajah. i never tried it myself but in the nighttime they just go up and down the elevator i can't imagine it's to expensive and they are very friendly and forthcoming i only dodged them because at the time i had no thai currency. best of wishes my friends.
Recently enjoyed a few nights out at Bangkok Beat in Soi 7. Great bands playing and it gets busy around 10 - 10.30 pm. There were each night a few FL lookers and the going rate for LT is 2500 - 3000 BHT. During most weekdays BKK Beat has a 95 BHT drink promotion helping to save cash for the after hours activities!
[QUOTE=OldBugger;1619623]Bangkok City day two. The reckoning.[/QUOTE]OldBugger! Your reports are hilarious and joy to read. Could not keep a smile off my face.
[QUOTE=Lakeside;1619629]Recently enjoyed a few nights out at Bangkok Beat in Soi 7. Great bands playing and it gets busy around 10 - 10.30 pm. There were each night a few FL lookers and the going rate for LT is 2500 - 3000 BHT. During most weekdays BKK Beat has a 95 BHT drink promotion helping to save cash for the after hours activities![/QUOTE]Soi 7/1 (Soi Eden/Dr. BJ). Hope you weren't the guy snogging (sorry- DFKing) the ladyboy when I was there Sunday. LOL.
[QUOTE=OldBugger;1619623] When she took me over to the far end of the bar however she explained that service was 1000 and that I could not relieve myself in her mouth I thought this insanely rude and told her to go get fucked which I really regretted because I forgot my fat wallet there with altogether in exchanged currency would be about 1000 euros and she came running after me with it I felt like a fool.
[/QUOTE]Wasn't her that was insanely rude. You really should try to be a little cool even if you don't fancy the girl, and carrying 1000 Euros worth is extremely insane. I have had to try to learn to lose my Western rudeness somewhat in Thailand, unless someone really deserves it (and then its still bad form). You were damn lucky you met someone so honest.
I left an iphone behind in Dr. BJ and got it back later. I had to ring the number so they could find where it had fallen to.
[QUOTE=OldBugger;1619623]I forget to tell I bring one girl to ST hotel from Soi Cowboy. I had forgotten this myself because of the great blowjob. I really wanted a girl with a small pussy so I tried to find the girl but with no baby stomach in Soi Cowboy and who was not pretty. This turned out to be exactly what I had been looking for she was even to tight she could only take me in cowgirl.[/QUOTE]Your report is excellent. I was going to send a PM but you don't have that.
Next time on Soi Cowboy check out the Cactus, you might really like it. A little hard to spot, it is just across from deja vue.
[quote=oldbugger;1619623]bangkok city day two. the reckoning.
...............the girls there were just to ugly even with my critical condition a.......................
......................probably at least 20 girls working all of them looked grotesque except the girl from the webpage who i am just tired of. ......................
................although 5-6 of the girls in the 7-girl lineup at the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] are always intolerable there always seems to be at least one gem and i am thankful for this furthermore i could really abuse her with my hungover hard-on and she did not complain at all it was quite the happy occasion i grabbed her head with both my hands and face fucked her in a pace she could take and she was really understanding.
i wen't to eat at charles brown ........................
i went to soi cowboy and afterskool a................the most attractive girl at this time came over to me. she was maybe 23-24 and had a fat stomach..................when she took me over to the far end of the bar however she explained that service was 1000 and that i could not relieve myself in her mouth i thought this insanely rude and told her to go get fucked .......................
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i forget to tell i bring one girl to st hotel from soi cowboy.....................because she was so ugly in the face, even in comparison with the generally ugly working girls of bangkok, she had obviously had not many people fuck her pussy and also because i checked her body before she had no baby pop her pussy up so bad. ...................
ok this is my amendment.
also if anyone is interested there are european / russian and indian ladies for hire at the hotel rajah. i never tried it myself but in the nighttime they just go up and down the elevator i can't imagine it's to expensive and they are very friendly and forthcoming i only dodged them because at the time i had no thai currency. best of wishes my friends.[/quote]wow, you must be the handsome gentleman that all thailand is talking about. all this coming out of a person staying at the rajah, no less.
Day 20 Tuesday March 18,2014 Bangkok Day 4 (Semi Monogamy):
This morning I felt like a little sightseeing so I stopped off at Au Bon Pain for my double latte skinny and then I took the BTS to the Saphan Taksin station by the Chao Phraya. I jumped onto one of the express boats and took a 20 bt ride up the river to the Tha Tian Pier where I got off and took a smaller ferry across the river to what Arun (Temple of the Dawn) one of my favorite temples in BKK. I like climbing the steep stairs and looking out over the river. Afterwards I took the ferry back across the Chao Phraya to visit what Pho which houses the reclining Buddha.
[URL]http://www.watpho.com/intro.php[/URL]
Also not to be missed in this area is what Phrakaew where the Emerald Buddha resides and of course the Grand Palace.
I have been to all these sites many times, but I always enjoy spending time here despite the hordes of tourists that must be contended with. So for me, visiting what Arun and the Reclining Buddha was good enough for this morning's exercise. It was getting hot and sticky and I was getting a little hungry.
Before getting back on the express boat, I walked around the Tian Market and bought some fresh sliced Durian from two friendly ladies. They gave me 4 large sections for 70 bt and I ate them with relish on the spot. I was a good thing I brought some Handy Wipes along to clean my hands. I really like the exotic musky flavor of Durian. No, they do not taste like they smell, but they are sticky and a little messy. They have a custard vanilla pineapple flavor. You can't get fresh Durian in the USA and although I am able to grow mango and mamay trees in my back yard in south Florida, Durian is an ultra-tropical and cannot tolerate sub-tropical zone 10 southern Florida winters.
I was still hungry after devouring my Durian sections. I knew I could have a real good cheap eat right there in the Tian market as I have many times, but today I felt like going upscale for lunch. Down river and across from the Mandarin Oriental Hotel is their famous Thai Restaurant, Sala Rim Naam where they put on a daily gourmet Thai lunch buffet for 790 bt per person. It is a very good deal considering the quality and the quantity. So I took an express boat back south to the Oriental pier and then I took one of the complimentary hotel boats across the river to Sala Rim Naam and had a great feast. Lunch was outstanding.
M came by around 6 pm for a swim in the pool. We were the only ones there so the place was all ours and it was fun floating around getting intimate as it got dark. After a while we started to get cold in the water so we went up to my room where we took a warm shower together and started making out. Then it was time for boom boom.
Afterwards I poured a couple of vodka and sprite drinks for us as we settled down on the couch in the living room. M said she was hungry because she did not have lunch today. We discussed where we wanted to go for dinner. I know this very nice little Japanese restaurant on Soi 31 called Isao Sushi so I suggested we go there and M was up for it.
It was not too much trouble to take a taxi from Soi 11 to Soi 31. The restaurant was very busy on this night and we had to wait about 10 minutes for a table, but it was worth it. I ordered for the two of us some regular sushi items like Yellowtail (Hiramasa) and Blue Fin tuna belly (Toro), then I ordered a Maki dish and two hand rolled Temaki, and lastly one of Isao's signature dishes. I drank cold sake and M had a Heineken.
[URL]http://www.isaotaste.com/[/URL]
All I can say is everything was really superb and M was definitely no longer hungry.
After we left the restaurant we took a taxi back to the Fraser where we relaxed in the living room watching one of M's soapies. I fixed another round of vodka and sprites for us. During the commercials we made out. After TV we had a soapy shower together and then it was time for boom boom #2.
Afterwards while we were lying around in bed together, we talked about the big day tomorrow and M's 32nd birthday party. All the arrangements had been made. All I had to do was pick her up at her apartment around 6 pm and to be sure to bring my wallet. 555. But I didn't mind, in fact I enjoy being a part of the festivities. Last year, I took M and her girlfriends out to celebrate her 31st be'day and everybody had a great time all night long. The party this year was going to be at the same place: Red Sun Disco.
M left around 12:30 am. She said wanted to get up early and go to temple to pray and thank Buddha. I slipped 2500 bt into her purse and then I escorted her down to the lobby. The friendly doorman found her a taxi and she was gone. I was not tired and I felt like going out tonight. I wandered down Soi 11 and it was a total circus with FL's, massage girls, ladyboys, punters, western girls, hustlers, tourists, portable bars, portable restaurants, brick and mortar bars, and brick and mortar restaurants, you name it all hanging out on the street. I walked down Soi 11 to Sukhumvit and eventually I walked over to Thermae to check that scene out.
I know all about the left side / right side nonsense at Thermae where girls into Westerners sit on the right and girls into Asians sit on the left. I did not see any such divisions there tonight. I was getting the "come talk to me" looks and inviting smiles from girls on both sides of the room. I think that is due to the political demonstrations and the negative effect they have had on the number of tourists, even punter tourists visiting the land of smiles this year. But for whatever reason, Thermae girls were not discriminating against Farangs this year and that is a good thing.
I slowly walked around the island bar a couple of times and smiled at the girls sitting along the walls. I spotted a number of relatively good looking girls and as I said, most of the girls girls sitting on the left and the right smiled suggestively at me. I sat down at the center bar and ordered a Singha. Several girls came up to me and said Hi. I was polite to them, but I told them I was just into having a drink tonight.
After finishing my beer I slowly walked around the bar again. I spotted an attractive blond girl sitting at a table with two other girls and I stopped by her table and said Hi. We talked for a little while and she eventually asked if she could come to my hotel room. I thought about it, but declined her offer. The room was a mess, I was out of fresh towels, and I wasn't really up for another shag so soon after my double session with M. I told the girl that I hoped I would see her again on another night when I had more power. She replied that she could give me power. I laughed, but declined her offer. I wish I had her number now.
So I walked back to Soi 11 and the Fraser Hotel enjoying the scenery the whole way. Back in my room I turned on the TV, but soon I turned it off and fell into a deep sleep. It was another good day in BKK.
day 21 wednesday march 19,2014 bangkok day 5 (semi monogamy) part 1:
i did my usual thing this wednesday morning: a double shot skinny latte, a walkabout, and then some tasty lunch. today i had lunch at the siam paragon food court where i had a pretty good tom yum goong and later a mango smoothie.
i texted m and wished her a happy birthday. she texted back thanking me and reminding me to be at her apartment by 7 pm. she then asked if i preferred red or blue. the girls were deciding which color dresses they would all wear to the party. i was looking forward to her birthday party later, but i pretty much had nothing to do until 6 pm and i felt like i needed to take the edge off in the meantime, so i decided to go to annie's for a quality afternoon soapy session.
[url]http://www.anniesban....com/staff.html[/url]
annie's is a veritable institution on lower sukhumvit. it has been around for as long as i can remember and is known for really good service but only average looking girls. that is why i have only had a few sessions here over the last 10 years despite the fact that all my previous sessions have been real good. last year, for example, i had a very good gfe session with wei #35. wei was a very nice girl, but kind of plain if you know what i mean. since that time, wei has had a silly cone procedure so i was not into repeating with her.
actually, i was hoping i might finally have a session with #24 who imho is one of the few annie's girls that is a genuine looker. i first saw #24 on the website two years ago before she had her boob job and i regret not doing her then before her procedure and before she became so darn popular. but nowadays #24 is very much in demand and booked solid for weeks if not months in advance. i had heard on the grapevine that she had a farang boyfriend and was on hiatus. i notice that today, 6/22/2014, on the website it says that #24 is "away booking for 3 months. " but at the time i was in bkk, i was hoping i might get lucky and see her there.
it was around 2:30 pm when i approached annie's. a number of girls were sitting outside eating lunch. i greeted the girls as i went in and walked upstairs to the reception area. a mamasan greeted me and took me over to the fishbowl. she blew a whistle or something and around 20 girls quickly appeared including the girls i saw downstairs.
as i expected, the lineup was not very good. my wish that #24 or possibly #7 would be available was quickly shot down. no such luck. but, there was one girl in the lineup that i thought was really attractive and extremely doable. on the annie's scale of 1 to 10 she was a 10 and probably the sexiest girl i had ever seen in annie's. on the bkk soapy scale she was a solid good looking 7*. she noticed i was looking her way and smiled at me so i chose her without any hesitation. none of the other girls in the fishbowl were doable imho.
he name was tina and her badge number was #50. anyway tina seemed pleased i had chosen her and after introductions, she led me to a room. for some reason i will discuss later, tina is not on the annie's website and never was. she told me she was 30 and had a kid, yet i am telling you guys that #50 was in real good shape. she was tall and thin but still had some curves with very nice still shapely "be" cup breasts, a flat stomach, no stretch marks whatever, great skin tone, and absolutely no body fat.
a very strange soapy session:
she started filling up the jacuzzi tub and cleaned off the body mattress. then she told me to lie on my stomach and she proceeded to give me the body to body soapy massage. after a while she asked me to turn over and she continued with her body to body massage on my front side. i thought she was moving a little too fast for my taste because her speed prevented me from kissing or fondling her as she moved around in a circular clockwise motion. i told her to slow down a little and suddenly tina #50 halted her massage and started telling me that this is the way she gives a body massage, that she has been working at annie's for over two years, and if i don't like the way she gives a body to body massage i can change girls.
wow! i was a little shocked by her aggressive tone, but my immediate uncontrolled reaction was that i blurted out laughing at her. this shook her confidence a little and took the wind out of her sails. in a nanosecond three thoughts raced through my mind: my first thought was how poor the lineup was and that there was no decent replacement for tina, my second thought was that asking for my money back was going to be a futile gesture and i would be put in a ridiculous position where i would have to walk out with nothing, and my third thought was that i realized i still wanted to shag this girl and cum inside her pussy for some unaccountable reason.
as a result, i tried the soft approach and attempted to calm tina down. thinking about how poor the lineup was, i told tina that i did not want another girl, i only wanted her, but i wanted her to be nice. she then replied that she is nice, but she gives body to body massages her way and no customer has ever complained before. i then told her i am not complaining, but merely suggesting a way her massage could be more enjoyable for me. thinking back at that moment, lying naked on the air mattress with naked tina kneeling over me with her natural tan boobs hanging down, and being subjected to her very un-thai aggressive demeanor; there was something about this girl's outrageous attitude that turned me on. i don't know exactly what it is. probably i just really liked her sexy looks, but whatever it was that turned me about her, i was definitely not into any more body to body massage with tina. all i really wanted to do was stick my dick into her pussy and cum.
so we got back on track and #50 concluded her body to body in a completely mechanical albeit slightly slower speed. there was no kissing or normal positive warmth that i usually look forward to in a thai massage parlor. it was just business. the jacuzzi tub was full by this time so we moved into the tub where tina's pace was much slower which allowed me to make small talk conversation and to try to bring tina around if that were possible. i told tina how pretty i thought she was and she responded by saying that i had said that before. i laughed at her again and said, "so what. i tell you, you are pretty and you are. is that is a bad thing? i will say it again if i feel like it. you are a pretty girl! there!" and finally tina began to calm down. we then started to talk a little as she soaped up my dick and started to give me a really sensual two handed hand job. it was really good. i cupped her beautiful soapy tits. after a while tina asked if i wanted to cum in the jacuzzi and i told her no and said, "i want to cum in your pussy. ".
so the soapy bath was over. tina dried me and then herself and we moved on to the bed where she asked me to lie down on my stomach and she began her massage. she asked if i wanted oil and i said ok. she also asked if i wanted the massage hard or soft. i told her not too hard and she began and gave me a decent massage. she let her hand glide over my anal area several times, but she never stopped to explore that area any further. after a while she asked me to turn over and she began to massage my neck and shoulders. when her hands got down to my dick, she lubed it up, and again gave me an excellent two handed hj. i was on the verge of cuming so i told her to stop. it was now time for boom boom.
she asked me about condom and i said yes and she put one on with her mouth and continued to give me a cbj. at this point i didn't care about the bj. all i wanted was to shag her so i told her to get on top. she mounted me and began to fuck me with her pussy. although her pussy felt really good, i just laid there passive and watched her flat stomach and her natural "be" cup tities bounce around. i placed my hands on her hips. after what must have been a good 15 minutes or so i began to feel the fire build inside and i palmed her breasts. i started to come alive and i began to fuck her matching her strokes with mine one for one. god help me, but tina was really turning me on at this point. i palmed her hands in mine for better traction and she really got into her cowgirl. there was nothing seemingly mechanical about this part of the session. she is an expert at this.
i rolled her over and we continued in mish unabated. another 10 minutes or so went by; i could no longer hold out and i came. afterwards i laid on top of tina until my dick shrinked out of her pussy. i kissed her ears, neck, and breasts, but tina would not allow lip to lip kissing let alone dfk. i rolled over onto my back. tina removed the condom and cleaned me up.
we lay side by side and talked some. tina told me i was her 3rd customer of the day and it was only 2:30 when i picked her out of the lineup. she said she comes to annie's only when she feels like it, maybe 3 times a week and only works as long as she can manage it. her goal is to make as much money as possible and set up her own shop. she told me she has a little girl and she is through with men. she said thai men were no good and only stole her money. i asked her about having a farang boyfriend and she said she was not into that either and repeated all she cared about was her child. i foolishly tried to talk sweet rubbish to her and i told her not to give up on love. lol. i said that one day some nice guy might walk into her life when she least suspected it and fall in love with her. but tina wasn't buying any of it.
at first i thought it was unusual for an annie's girl as good looking as tina was not to have her picture up on the website. now i understood that tina was an independent free agent allowed to work at annie's her way whenever she wanted because she was a rain maker bringing in lots of cash whenever she chose to come in to work. only #24 is in the same league with my #50 as far as looks are concerned and #24 is virtually impossible to book on a walk in basis without an advance reservation. imho tina is better looking than #24.
tina and i then took a shower together. tina asked if i wanted another massage, but i declined the offer. i felt like i was done with her even though i still had 15 minutes left on the clock.
before we left the room, i asked tina if i could take a photo and she of course declined. that's not as bad as it sounds. all the annie's girls that i have asked to sit for a photo have declined saying it is not allowed in the shop. tina then asked me for a tip. i laughed at her again and said how about a kiss and she gave me a look that said it all. so we were in a stalemate and that's the way we both left it. tina escorted me down the hall to the reception area and we said goodbye. this had to be the strangest soapy massage experience i have ever had in bangkok, but i do confess that it took the edge off. 555.
Isn't it strange that some mongers find beauty, fun and happiness wherever they go and some others will only see and experience ugliness, bad service and trouble?
Are Natty Bumpo and OldBugger talking about the same city?
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1620053]Isn't it strange that some mongers find beauty, fun and happiness wherever they go and some others will only see and experience ugliness, bad service and trouble?
Are Natty Bumpo and OldBugger talking about the same city?[/QUOTE]I think we are talking about the same city. 555. I have always believed you can create whatever you want out of the big mango. The raw ingredients are there for the taking.
[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1619753]OldBugger! Your reports are hilarious and joy to read. Could not keep a smile off my face.[/QUOTE]Indeed. Quite entertaining stuff. Should post more often.
I agree with you Wolvenvacht.
But I have to say both tripreports are very amusing and fun to read but yet so different.
Both give such a good detail that I could really see me being there.
Keep up the good work Natty Bumpo and Old Bugger!
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1620076]I think we are talking about the same city. 555. I have always believed you can create whatever you want out of the big mango. The raw ingredients are there for the taking.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1620053]Isn't it strange that some mongers find beauty, fun and happiness wherever they go and some others will only see and experience ugliness, bad service and trouble?
Are Natty Bumpo and OldBugger talking about the same city?[/QUOTE]I was just thinking the same thing. It's all about attitude!
[QUOTE=Stykler;1620122]I was just thinking the same thing. It's all about attitude![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1620053]Isn't it strange that some mongers find beauty, fun and happiness wherever they go and some others will only see and experience ugliness, bad service and trouble?
Are Natty Bumpo and OldBugger talking about the same city?[/QUOTE]Well said guys! It's all about attitude ánd, if I may add, expectations. OldBugger's expectations are way too high.
You can try Climax, Shock 39, Spicy, Mixx, all of them close around 5 in morning and if you still in mood to drink and dance try Swing. Swing generally start at 5 in morning and close around noon.
[QUOTE=DateForever;1619449]Omw over to Bangkok for some fun nightlife.
Any of you guys over there know where to go nowdays if out late when almost everything close 2 am?[/QUOTE]
day 21 wednesday march 19,2014 bangkok day 5 (semi monogamy) part 2 - m's birthday party:
i relaxed by the fraser pool for an hour or so after my session at annie's, but my mind was now on m's 32nd birthday party tonight. to celebrate the occasion i promised to take her and 6 of her friends out for dinner and dancing at red sun disco. i will be the only guy. tonight's party is a repeat of last year's be'day celebration at red sun which was really great. m called to tell me the girls had decided to wear red dresses to the party and that i should pick her up at her apartment around 7 pm.
so i got all cleaned up and put on my new bobby jones polo shirt and fresh jeans and then i jumped into a taxi ramkhamhaeng bound at around 6 pm. traffic was a stop and go nightmare the whole way until we got to her soi. the trip took around an hour. m called to find out where i was just as the taxi was approaching her apartment. her two roommates (nn and ai) along with m came down and met me in the front of the apartment. they all looked great in their color coordinated red dresses. we hailed another taxi and drove over to red sun disco which is located on phatthanakan rd east of the intersection with ramkhamhaeng rd and east of nancy massage.
[url]http://www.afana.org/tawan.htm[/url]
according to the web site, "tawan daeng ('red sun' in isaan dialect) is a red hot bangkok club that features live morlam music seven nights a week. " truth told it is a very popular thai dance supper club that features good food and drink along with live thai country rock and roll music. the main room is very large and filled with many long tables. this is not a place to come solo and look for girls. most, if not all the customers come in large groups of friends. they eat, drink, and dance in between the tables all night long. it is all good fun. every time i have been here, the place was full to capacity until very late in the early morning. i have never seen any farangs here. i am the only one, but everybody there including the staff, the musicians, and other customers are very friendly towards me. that is bkk for you. i always have a great time here with m and her posse. tonight was going to be my third time.
we were the first to arrive in our party and were shown to a long table in the middle of the room in front of the stage. the girls looked over the menu and ordered a few food items to get things started. i looked over the alcohol menu. there were several different vodkas to choose from. i showed the menu to m and asked her what she wanted to drink. she pointed to the smirnoff raspberry vodka and said she liked that one. i said, "really, you like raspberry" and she nodded with a smile. now i am a purist and prefer unflavored ketel one or grey goose on the rocks with a lime twist, but i firmly believe a birthday girl should get want she wants on her birthday so i ordered the smirnoff raspberry and the wait staff knew exactly what to do next. almost immediately they brought a bucket of ice, bottles of sprite and tonic water for mixers as well as a fifth of smirnoff raspberry to our table. then they prepared tall drinks for the girls and me. and soon we had started this party going.
over the next hour m's friends arrived. first p and de arrived along with de's twin sister uu. i really love the upbeat and super friendly and outgoing de, but i had only heard about her sister. now at last it was my pleasure to meet her. uu was prettier than de and just as friendly. i also just love the very demure p. one time while i was hanging out at m's apartment, p was talking about getting breast implants. i told her she looked great with just what nature had given her and any guy would be happy to take her out. i think p appreciated my complement and ever since then she has always been real friendly towards me. i have her on my list of possibilities. i would like to shag her.
then two other girls whom i had never met joined the party. m introduced me to them and told me they worked in baccara too. funny, i could not place them, but they seemed nice. and finally making her grand entrance, last but not least, the lovely and sexy be arrived. be is the prettiest of m's girlfriends imho. i really dig her, but as i wrote earlier, she seems to be unlucky in love. i will fill you guys in a little more about be later in tonight's report.
and so the gang was all here. over the next few hours we drank, ate, danced, laughed, and played games. i think i will post some photos and let the pictures speak for themselves. i wish i did not have to obscure the girl's faces. the girls are really lovely especially when they are having a good time, but thanks to a few internet morons, i must pixelate the photos in order to protect my girls.
around midnight we finished the 1st bottle of vodka so i ordered a 2nd bottle. initially everybody was drinking tall glasses of raspberry vodka and sprite over ice. with the introduction of the 2nd bottle we graduated to shot glasses of 50% vodka / 50% sprite. be took over as the table mixer. she filed a shot glass with the 50/50 mixture and palmed the glass, and then she smacked the covered shot glass down hard on a table cloth placed upon the table in front of her. voila: a perfectly mixed drink. the game we played used the entire group as a whole as the designating authority on who would knock back the next shot. for example, it appeared that demure little p was holding back on her alcohol intake all night. the group decided that she had to have the next shot. p resisted at first and then gave in. she smiled afterwards and she thought she was off the hook, but then somebody passed her the very next shot. everybody laughed, but we all insisted that p throw that one back too which she did. that brought her back up to speed. then it was somebody else's turn to have a shot and so on. a few of us needed not coaxing and took shots whenever one was available, but the little shot game ensured that everybody at the table was getting crocked.
around 1 am the lights came on and the band wished m a happy birthday. a chocolate birthday cake was brought to the table. m blew out the candles and everybody had a slice of cake. then we got back to the shot game and dancing in the aisles. there were a couple of girls at the table next to ours and they were dancing too. those girls were definitely not pros, but they were lubed up on drinks and having a real good time too. the space between our tables was not very wide so occasionally they bumped their asses into mine and i started dancing with them. they were real nice and friendly. i wished i spoke thai. anyway i danced with everybody, with all of m's friends, and mostly with m.
around 1:30 or so be stopped making shots and retreated into her cell phone. i pondered at the time what was up with that and why she was no longer taking part in the festivities. i asked her to dance, she smiled, and we danced, but afterwards she retreated back to her phone. the other girls tried to rev her up too and she would look up at them and smile, talk a little, but then she would go back to that damn phone of hers. around the same time, i noticed a thai guy had sat down at the far end of our table. one of m's two new girlfriends that i had never met before gave him some food and offered him some of my booze, but he declined her generosity. i asked m who that guy was and she said he was x's (forgot her name) boyfriend and he had come to pick her up. he acted in an obsequious manner and stayed in the back ground so i didn't give him much further mind.
the gang and i continued to party and we emptied the 2nd bottle of raspberry vodka in good time. around 3:30 am i looked around and saw that red sun was starting to empty out. it was now only about half full. but the band played on and we kept going until we ran out of booze at around 4 am. i then asked for the check. the bill came to 6400 bt which is a pretty good deal for all that we had consumed and for the nonstop live entertainment.
we piled out of the club and were walking down the long parking lot to the street. i had my arms around m and de. ahead of us was be. behind me was p and uu. all of a sudden be and one of the girls i did not know started to get into a row. be was walking ahead and the other girl tried to catch up to her and she said something that did not go down right with be. suddenly be turned around and let the girl have it. i don't understand thai, but it was plain as day and if looks could kill, the other girl would have dropped dead right there on the spot. the other girl kept trying to say something, but be had the upper hand and kept cutting her off by leveling one line attacks on the other girl like an automatic high powered rifle. it looked like be was about to smack the other girl, but then the ever charming de stepped in between the two girls. de threw herself on be acting as a friend, smiling the whole time, as she tried to defuse the situation. de really has this amazingly friendly outgoing personality and as mad as be was, be was not going to take a swing at the other girl if it meant she might hit her real friend, de.
so de took be by the hand and led her aside trying to assuage be's anger. obviously everybody except me knew why be was so angry. meanwhile the thai dude who had been sitting at the end of the table minding his own business, drove up on his motorcycle, and told his girl (the one that almost got her clock cleaned by be to get on his bike. but the girl did not want to and it was now evident that she was drunk because she couldn't stand up straight. be came back to where we were and hurled some more insults at the girl who vainly tried to respond, but she couldn't. no translation was necessary to understand be's invective leveled at the other girl. i could hear be's pure hatred seething throughout her terse one line insults. anyway, after several attempts to get the drunken girl on her boyfriend's bike and get her out of the parking lot, she finally mounted the bike with some help and she and her dude took off.
the entourage then walked to the main street. uu and de came up with the idea of going to an all-night karaoke bar they knew about. m asked me if i was up for it and i told her it was getting late for me and i wanted to go back to my hotel. but i told m that if she wanted she could go with her friends. m said she wanted to go with me. so when the posse reached the street we split up into two taxis. all the girls thanked me for the throwing a great party. they then got their taxi. i gave the driver 150 bt to take them where ever they wanted to go and m and i got into a second taxi and drove back to the fraser.
the streets were empty and the ride only took 15 minutes. i rolled down the window and felt the refreshing cool night air. i put my arm around m and we sat back and relaxed. i asked her why be got so mad and what the fight was all about. m then told me that the thai dude used to be's boyfriend and that be caught him cheating on her with the other girl. she broke up with him and now he and the other girl are together. i asked m why she allowed the guy to come to the party or for that matter why she invited the other girl. i did not get a straight logical answer, but i assume the other girl got wind of the party and m was too polite to tell her not to come. anyway that explains why be withdrew into her cell phone at around the same time the dude showed up to pick up his new girlfriend.
something similar, but very different, happened last year at m's 31st birthday party at red sun and be was the center of that drama as well. back at the 2013 party, the gang and i were doing pretty much the same thing we did tonight i. e. a lot of eating, drinking, and dancing. everybody was having great time and again at around 3:30 am we began to walk out of red sun, but then on the way out, be stopped to talk to the base player of the band. she ran after us in the parking lot and asked us to stay; promising just another 20 minutes if we accompanied her back into red sun. i wasn't into it, but be practically begged me personally to come back into the club. she said she would buy some liter beers if we all came back inside. only p decided to stay outside. we sat at a table to the side of the stage which was also close to the door. the base player came by and sat down at my table. good old de sensing i was not liking what was going on with the new male intrusion tried to entertain me. the base player was obsequious though and polite enough. he knew he was encroaching on my entourage, but it really wasn't his fault. be had asked him over just as we were leaving the place. for the entire night up until that moment when we tried to walk out of the club, be had been very happy and lively, drinking, making shot glasses, and dancing in the aisle. why she started something up with the base player was a mystery to me at the moment.
meanwhile, over on the side in between our table and the stage, i saw m and be having a little discussion. now my m is the most demure, polite little thai girl i ever met. she never gets mad or bossy, but that night she was being really forceful and she was definitely trying to stop be from acting a certain way. suddenly, i saw her taking something out of be's purse and she came over to me and handed me a wad of baht bills. she told me to hide them and not to give them back to be under any circumstances. then she turned around and went back to discuss things with her friend. i immediately put the baht in my front pocket.
so de, the base player and i drink our beer. one thing; both the base player and i do not like is ice cubes in our beer. that is a thai girl thing. ha. so we finished the beer and i got up to go. m, de, and be walked outside with me where we ran into p who had a bag of bbq grasshoppers in her hand. she hand fed me a couple. they were crispy and salty. the base player remained inside red sun.
that was the drama at m's birthday party, 2013, at around 4 am in the parking lot. while walking towards the street, de gets a call from her twin sister uu who i just met at the 2014 birthday party. uu is in a cross town bar and invites everybody to come over and continue the party. m asks if i want to go and i say nah, i want to go back to the hotel. and same same as tonight, m sticks with me and we say goodbye to the girls as they taxi off.
so what was the deal with be and the base player at m's 31st birthday party at red sun back in 2013? on the way back to my hotel, m told me that sometimes when be drinks too much, she gets lonely, and she buys herself a man. yes that's right! so be was a little drunk at the 2013 party and on the way out of the bar, feeling a little lonely and blue, she saw the base player standing at the front of the stage, and decided she wanted him to fuck her. m told me that the base player had a wife and two kids and at first was reluctant to shag be, but then be offered him a 1000 bt and that was an offer he could not refuse. hell, i don't blame the guy. who wouldn't want to shag be? and get payed for it on top of it! be is a very good looking 24 year old popular go go dancer at baccara. be's plan was to shag the base player in his car in the parking lot while the entourage waited in red sun. the plan fell apart when m took be's money away. the irony really strikes me. we all fly halfway around the world to meet and shag hot little girls like be. we give them our hard earned money just for the pleasure, but at the same time, these same hot little girls get sad and lonely sometimes and like be, take our hard earned money, now their hard earned money and give it to local thai guys so they will shag them. amazing! the world is crazy.
i wrote earlier be is unlucky in love, but it turns out she is quite entertaining too. she is batting 2 for 2 at m's birthday parties. the amazing thing is how hot she is. i would really like to shag her, but i can't think of a good way to do it without screwing up my relation with m, so i just bide my time and keep my eyes open. maybe one time in the future the opportunity will arise and m will be ok with it. in the meantime, it is not like there is shortage of hot thai girls for me to shag. they are all over the place in bkk and pattaya in large numbers. so the birthday party had everything: good food, good drink, good company, good music, and a little drama thanks to be.
m and i started making out as soon as we were alone in the elevator. back in my suite sitting on the couch we made out some more and then m lowered the boom saying, "sorry mak, i can not boom boom you tonight. i am on my mens. " now where did i hear that before, lol, shades of phnom penh came filtering through my head. i was about to say, "it don't matter baby, we can shag anyway", but before i could get that out, m added, "i want to smoke you, ok?" "yeah," i said, "that's ok. ".
so we took separate showers tonight. m came out of the shower with a towel wrapped around her body. she stood at the doorway and dropped the towel on purpose giving me the "szzzzzzzzzzzzz hot" line with a smile as she pointed to her bare ass and then she jumped on top of me lying on the bed. we started kissing and then she licked her way down to my nipples where she started kissing them. then she worked her way further south. it was clear that m was intoxicated, a little carried away, and that she was having a good time. she took me in her mouth and gave me a sensuous bbbj. normally i would pull her up after a while before i start to lose control, but tonight i just let her do her thing. slowly the feeling came on and then i could not control it and i came in her mouth. it was our first cim! she looked up and smiled as a little bit of my stuff dripped down her chin. then she ran to the bathroom and i heard the faucet running. then i heard her swishing and i knew she was hitting the listerine.
m came back to bed and told me i was a bad boy. i told her i couldn't stop myself because she made me feel so good. we started kissing again and this time i moved south and starting kissing her nipples. then i worked my way to her belly button and then i started kissing her inner thighs. i wasn't planning to go down on her, my intent was to get real close to her pussy and titillate her a little, making her think i might go down town on her. but as i was licking and kissing one of her thighs, m put her hand on my hand and said "no mak, not tonight" and i moved back up to her breasts and then her lips. it was nearly 5 am and we fell asleep in each other's arms. happy birthday baby!
we both woke up around noon. we took a shower together, but m kicked me out of the shower after she cleaned me up so she could do her thing. i invited her to a late breakfast, but she said she wanted to get back to her apartment. she said she had no money, so i gave her 500 bt taxi money. she was fine with that. it was all i had. she said she would call me later, but i had a feeling that i was going solo tonight and that was fine with me. i walked her downstairs and the doorman flagged a taxi. she turned around and waived until the taxi turned the corner. i walked over to au bon pain and had my double shot skinny latte. i felt great. no hangover! and i was ready for more fun tonight.
day 22 thursday march 20,2014 bangkok day 6 (semi monogamy):
later in the afternoon i hear from m. she is on the rag and is partying with her friends up in ramkhamhaeng. she says she will call me later in the evening. i don't mind. i have other plans.
at around 7 pm i take the sky train over to asok station. i walk down the escalators to the mrt (subway station). i want to go to phetchaburi station, the very next north. it costs 20 bt. i exit phetchaburi station on the north east side. from there it is a one block walk to la belle soapy massage parlor.
it is around 7:30 pm when i arrive. the large ornate lounge / bar area is on the 2nd floor. there is a piano near the entrance and a lovely thai women in a sexy formal evening dress is singing some light jazz with piano accompaniment. i see perhaps 15 to 20 chinese / japanese type customers sitting in large easy chairs rep001tered around the large room.
at the far end of the room is the stage where 30 or 40 girls are sitting. the girls are all wearing fashionable evening dress. this is the fish bowl. on the left side of the stage are s category girls. their price is 2800 bt per 90 minute session. on the right side of the stage are g category girls. their price is 3400 bt per session. is there a discernable difference in quality between these two categories of girls? not as far as i can tell. i pick my la belle girls based on who i find attractive. i have had approximately the same number of s and g category girls over the years. if i spot an s girl that i like, great. i save some baht, but if i see a very attractive g girl, i am not going to get hung up on a few hundred baht. but where does it end?
the bar is located to the side of the lounge area and there are bar stools facing the lounge area. this is where the appropriately named side line girls sit. usually i see only 5 or 6 girls sitting here at any one time. sideline girls are categorized too. p category girls are 4000 bt per session, de category 5000 bt per session, x category 6000 bt per session, and l category are 7000 bt per session. the discernable difference between these girls and fishbowl girls seems to be light skin and height i. e. the lighter the skin tone and the taller the girl, the higher the category more or less. s and g girls are similar to go go quality girls. the sideline girls are a different breed, not necessarily prettier, just different chromosomes.
so i was standing near the piano player and singer when one of the hosts (papasons) spots me. it is mr. ting, who i have known for a couple of years. he comes over and welcomes me. then he escorts me over to a comfortable chair near the stage. a waitress comes by and i order a coke light. after some polite conversation about how long i will be in bkk and such, mr. ting points out a girl on the left side of the stage and tells me she is very good. the girl looks up and smiles at us. unfortunately, i am not enthralled. she has large silly-cones and her face is not that pretty to me. i inform mr. t that i want to take my time and find the right girl so he steps back and then wanders off leaving me to check out all the girls at my leisure. i spot a couple of possibilities over on the right hand side of the stage. then i glance over towards the bar. bam! i see a really sexy girl in a black dress smiling at me. oh, no! i can foresee this is going to be an expensive night. she is just really hot. what can i do? she is tall, thin and sexy. and that smile of hers is killer. so i call mr. ting back and tell him i want p. he informs me she is a de category girl. i have never had a de category girl, but i want p so she is the one.
he calls p over and introduces us. she is very demure and even more striking close up. i thank mr. ting and give him a small 100 bt tip. he didn't really deserve it tonight, but he did recognize me and i considered the remuneration a tip for future service. besides, p is watching us interact which is good. p then takes me by the hand and we walk over to the cashier. she holds my coke while i pay with my credit card. the bill came to 6000 bt with the farang tax added in. yeah, la belle imposes a farang tax on white guys. i hate it, but i put up with it because i like the girls here. the girls, by the way get a cut of the tax. i once had a discussion about the extra charge with a manager and asked why i, a loyal customer, should be asked to pay more than some japanese guy. i might as well have been discussing aristotle with a vacuum cleaner. i did not receive a logical answer. i believe the reason for the policy is to discourage certain type of western clientele that management views as cheap, unclean, or too loud. aside from the racial tax, i have never felt discriminated against or treated rudely in la belle. on the contrary, staff and management have always been very friendly and gracious towards me. i think they figure that i and other westerners willing to pay the extra tax must be ok and are civilized not like those undesirable types one finds in nana. lol. in any case i put up with it and in return i have had some great sessions here with really attractive girls.
p and i took the elevator up to the 4th floor. the room was like a 5* hotel suite. there was a couch and coffee table at one end in front of a flat screen tv that played porn. there was a large jacuzzi tub off to the side of a king size bed at the other end. everything was first class and in excellent condition. i asked p if she wanted something to drink and she ordered coconut water. she turned on the water to fill the jacuzzi. then she came over to the couch and sat down beside me and we started to get acquainted. a waitress knocked and brought in her drink. i asked p if i could take a few shots and she said ok as long as i promised not show them to anyone. p was very friendly and had an outgoing personality. she said she was from bangkok, born and raised and that she was 24.
by the time the jacuzzi was full we had established a good rapport. p got up and started to take her dress off. i lingered. i wanted to see her naked. i was very surprised to find that p was sporting rather large "see" cup silly cones. her black evening dress camouflaged what she was packing. i had no idea. they looked pretty damn good, however, on her slender, fat free frame and i am not generally a bolt-on fan. yeah, wow, this slender vivacious girl put her silly cones to good use in the jacuzzi rubbing my dick with them in a nice slow motion until i was good and hard. we started to make out while she played around and cleaned my dick. i massaged her clit and she seemed to really enjoy the clitoral stimulation. then she sat on me and rubbed my hard on with her lower body. i was hoping she would make a misstep and my dick would fall into her pussy. that has happened to me.
after our jacuzzi session, she dried me off and we moved on to the bed. p started to cat lick her way down my body and then she began to give me a bbbj. the funny thing was that as she gave me the bbbj she had positioned her body so she was sitting on the side of her ass with her legs wide open showing me a beautiful full view of her fine pussy. then while still proceeding with the bbbj, she started to masturbate herself with one hand while holding my dick in her other hand. her open beckoning pussy looked so good that after a short time, i stopped her blow job and moved down to give her pussy some of my personal attention. she rearranged herself lying down and i ate her out for a prolonged amount of daty until she had her orgasm.
with the daty session over, she then covered me up and i started to shag her on top in missionary. her pussy felt very good. at some point i pulled her up to sitting position so we were shagged facing each other and i could look down and see myself going in and out of her pussy. then i lay back and she came on top where we finished up in cowgirl. the sex was great. p really turned me on with both her looks and her into it performance. i would call it a naughty gfe.
afterwards she massaged me a little and encouraged me to play with her pussy some more with my fingers. unbelievable, this girl really enjoyed clitoral stimulation. she is definitely my kind of girl and it was one of the best experiences of the trip. sadly, the phone rang indicating that our 90 minutes was up. we showered and then dressed. i gave p a 500 bt tip.
we walked arm in arm to the elevator and made out until the elevator door opened on the lounge level. she escorted me back to the lounge where we said our formal bye bye's. then she went behind a door to the girl's dressing area. i walked around the lounge. there were a few more side line girls than earlier and still plenty of attractive fish bowl girls on stage.
i decided not to stick around la belle and so i walked back to the mrt station and took the mrt back to asok. it was around 10:30 pm when i dropped by crazy house the new soi cowboy go go which is actually around the corner from cowboy on so 23. i had never been to this go go before because it had opened up while i was out of town. i had heard really good things about it though and i was curious to find out first hand just how good it really was.
when i walked in a little after 10:30 pm the place was jammin'. there were lots of customers and i saw many quality young girls there. i sat down at the only vacant seat at the foot of the stage. i ordered a singha and relaxed in front of all the eye candy. over the course of two dance shifts, i noticed that one set of girls danced with little skirts that did not completely cover their vaginas and the other set danced naked. interestingly i thought the naked set of dancers were more attractive than the little skirt set of dancers. i then zeroed in on three particularly hot girls in the naked group looking for some eye contact back so i might buy one of the girls a drink.
by chance i happened to be sitting next to the ladder to the elevated stage. it was the only way for the girls get on or off the stage, i just happened to turn my head left as one girl was climbing the ladder on stage and i nonchalantly said hi to her as our eyes met. she smiled and got on stage. that's all it took. after that brief moment, the girl kept looking my way smiling as she danced and since i liked her looks not to mention her fine body and perfect round "a" cup breasts, i smiled back. as her set ended and she climbed back down the ladder, she whispered in my ear that she was going to put something on, and then she would come right back to me. which she did in a couple of minutes and i bought her a drink. and then another. she cozied up to me and we shared a little light kissing. she said she was 20 years old. then she asked me if i wanted to barfine her. analyzing the situation, i felt like this was one of those special circumstances that come along once in a long while and i had to barfine a even though i had just had one of the great shags of the trip with p at la belle.
a was real happy that i wanted to barfine her. in fact she wanted to go for lt with me, but i told her it was better to go slow the first time and do a st. then if we liked each other we would do lt later. she agreed and then she explained the barfine at crazy house was 700 bt and her st was 2500 bt. it seemed reasonable to me and i agreed. she asked if i wanted her to change into her street clothes now. i said yes and a left. the mamasan came by to tell me that a was a real nice girl and i was going to have a good time with her. after 10 minutes or so a returned looking real cute and we left the bar.
back at the fraser, a was real sweet. we had a drink in the living room and made out. i removed her top and then we headed to the shower. we played soapy shower and i played around with her pussy. then on the bed, a gave me a respectable bbbj before she got on top and rode me cowgirl. then i flipped her over and did her in mish. the sex was good, a was so young and fresh, she was a lot of fun, but i was a long way from orgasm. she suggested i take her from behind doggy style. that was a lot of fun too, but still there was no orgasm in sight. i was ready to quit, but a would not hear of it. she got on top again but this time in reverse cowgirl and boy did she ride me. slowly i could feel magic in my dick stirring. i placed my hands on her hips and held on. her ass was so beautiful and tight. she was tireless and would not stop. finally the power was beyond my control and i let go. a, sensing i had cum, turned around really happy she had succeeded with me and she started kissing me. then she cleaned me up and we took another shower together.
after we put our clothes back on and were watching some tv in the living room, i gave a 2800 bt which included a 300 bt tip. she was happy about the tip and she gave me her cell number asking me to call her tomorrow. she said she would like me to come by crazy house to see her tomorrow night. i told her i would try to see her, but i wasn't sure about friday night because i had to see a friend. i escorted a down to the lobby where we hailed a taxi, and she was gone. i was hungry from all my exploits so i walked down soi 11 and had a bite to eat at one of the pushcart restaurants. i had a spicy som tom and stir fried calamari.
it was around 1 am and soi 11 was in full gear. i turned my cell phone on and checked for messages. m had sent me a text which read, "i too drunk to see you today see you tomorrow. " perfect! it was another outstanding day in the big mango.
p at la belle:
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1620230]Well said guys! It's all about attitude and, if I may add, expectations. OldBugger's expectations are way too high.[/QUOTE]I don't know. I saw Old Bugger's report in a very different light. Rather than a report depicting negative attitude with high expectations, to me it was a very humorous account of his adventures. Just my humble point of view.
Day 23 Friday March 21,2014 Bangkok Day 7 (Semi Monogamy):
I woke up around 10 am to an overcast rainy day in BKK. I borrowed a hotel umbrella and walked over to Au Bon Pain to have my morning wake up juice.
Despite the continuing rains I took the BTS over to Ratchathewi Station and walked from there to Pantip Plaza. This computer and electronics mall is pretty amazing and well worth a visit. Here you will find a multitude of computer and electronics' vendors both legitimate and otherwise. On the 2nd floor there are a couple of software stores selling just about everything you can imagine from Thai porn DVD's to music videos to pirate software. My favorite software guy is located on the 2nd floor to the east of the escalators and the food court. On this trip I bought a bootleg copy of Adobe Creative Suite Master Collection 6 from him for 500 bt and some other pirate software programs.
The Adobe Suite is the complete program and comes with several key codes and installation instructions. I have never had a problem installing previous versions on my hard drive or any of my friend's hard drives and the program works perfectly. The instructions clearly inform you how to turn off the default automatic program update command. That is the only limitation I have ever found with these pirate programs I. E. You can't update them. The key code only works with the original program as installed. I think it is a very small price to pay for having the fully functional $2200 suite on my computer.
I was hungry after my little shopping spree at Pantip Plaza so I walked back to Ratchathewi Station and took the BTS to Victory Monument station. A few short blocks away there is a small lane of local noodle shops known as Boat Noodle Alley. My favorite restaurant there is Sud Yod Kuay Teow Reua (Pa Yuk). Their Kuay Teow Sen Lek Neua, just tell them you want boat noodles with beef, or Kuay Teow Sen Lek Moo (boat noodles with pork) is really worth the trip. To get there from the Victory Monument station, head north east around the skywalk until you reach the Fashion Mall. Take the stairs down to street level and walk north past Fashion Mall. You will come to a small bridge, cross it, and you'll see boat noodle alley. Pa Yuk Restaurant is on the right as you face north.
After lunch I headed back to Soi 11, but stopped off at Siam Paragon for a mango smoothie. The sky had cleared by the time I got back to the Fraser and I hung out by the pool. M called at around 4 pm. She was with her friends and still on the rag. We mutually decided it would be best to get together tomorrow. I was looking forward to another solo night.
Around 8 pm I went for dinner at an old favorite restaurant of mine called Thai Room on Soi 22 across from Queens Park Plaza. Actually the restaurant was better when it was in different hands and was called Raan Derm. Raan Derm was truly a great Thai restaurant. It is too bad Thai Room has lost some of its former glory. Still the Tom Kha Gai is real good as well as the Tod Mun Pla.
After diner I took the BTS back to Nana and walked a couple of blocks over to Nana Plaza. The place was jumping. The first bar I went to was Rainbow 4, my favorite Nana bar and probably the 2nd best Go Go in BKK. As you walk in, there are two stages. The stage on your right is where the, IMHO, stunners dance. There are always 4 or 5 really hot bikini clad girls dancing on this stage. The girls all have great bodies and small natural Thai breasts. The girls dancing on the stage on your left as you enter are fuller proportioned, somewhat older, and topless. While I have taken many girls from the right hand stage, I have as yet never taken a girl from the left hand stage, although a couple topless girls have tried hard to pick me up. It is funny that in Crazy House the top talent, IMHO, dances nude and the 2nd tier girls dance with bikini tops and short short pussy pants, but in RB4 the top girls dance in bikinis. Having now been to both bars, I think Crazy House is a more fun bar with some very hot looking young girls, but RB4 still has 4 or 5 of the best looking Go Go girls in BKK.
On this night I spotted a couple of hotties on the right hand stage as per usual so I sat down and ordered a Singha. One of the stunners began smiling at met so after a while I invited her over to my table for a drink. Dee was very nice and did not rush me about barfining her over the next 20 minutes or so. When her dance set commenced again, I let her go back on stage. She changed places with another girl so she could dance right in front of me and she kept throwing me intimate looks and provocative dance moves in my direction. I wanted to look around Nana a little more, but she was so attractive that I made up my mind barfine Dee tonight. After her set she came back over to me with a big smile. I asked her out and then I ordered another round, this time two Tequila shots to seal the deal. The barfine at RB4 is 700 bt and Dee's ST is 2000 bt. I ordered another round of Tequila for us and then I paid for the drinks and the barfine. Then Dee went off to change her clothes.
Although RB4 is not that far from Soi 11, the Fraser is too far to walk when you are with a very pretty Go Go dancer so we took a taxi. It is a short ride.
Back in my suite, we sat down on the couch in the living room. I made us a couple of Vodka's and sprite and we started to get a little better acquainted. In RB4 Dee was friendly, but all we did was hold hands and kiss a little from time to time. Now, on the couch at my place, we started making out for real. I took her top off and started caressing and kissing her beautiful "A" cups and brown nipples. Soon my t-shirt came off, then Dee's jeans, and we ended up on the rug. We adjourned to the shower and she cleaned me up while I body massaged her boobs and played around a little with her clit. After the shower we made out some more on the bed and then Dee smoked me.
I pulled her up before it got too serious. Dee asked if I had a condom and I pointed to two lying on the nightstand. She covered me and then impaled herself on my dick. The sex was very good. Dee was an easy 7* all-around stunner. She said she was 24. She was around 5'3" tall and she was thin yet curvy. She also had a beautiful stunner face with a very sexy smile. To put it in perspective; I think Dee, although darker skinned, was possibly sexier looking than P my sideline model from La Belle, but P was better at sex. Very few girls are as good in bed as P is or hornier. But I really liked Dee and I was happy to have run into her. After a while I sat up and did Dee in the sitting position so I could see myself going in and out of her. Then I gently put her on her back without withdrawing from her pussy and I finished her off in mish.
Dee then cleaned me off and we took another shower together. After the shower, Dee started to get dressed. I asked her where she was going and she said she was going back to RB4. I took a few points off her score for that. It wasn't that she was in a hurry during the act, but still, I felt it was a little mercenary to want to leave so soon afterwards. But that is the RB4 culture so there is not too much a punter can do about it. I gave Dee a 300 bt tip anyway because it was still a good session and I escorted her down to the lobby. Not until Dee was in the taxi heading down Soi 11 did I realize that I had forgotten to take pictures of her. Damn, I guess I will have to barfine her again. LOL.
It was only a little after 11 pm, but I felt tired so I went back up to my hotel room. I thought I might rest for an hour, watch some TV, then hit Climax or Q Bar, but after laying my head on the pillow, the next thing I knew it was 7 am. I checked my cell phone for messages. There were 3 from M.
Have you been there lately?
What I heard those Disco close 2 am nowadays and Swing is closed. Am I misinformed?
[QUOTE=FunFilled;1620292]You can try Climax, Shock 39, Spicy, Mixx, all of them close around 5 in morning and if you still in mood to drink and dance try Swing. Swing generally start at 5 in morning and close around noon.[/QUOTE]
Day 24 Saturday March 22,2014 Bangkok Day 8 (Semi Monogamy) a mini reunion:
I received a call from M around 4 pm. She asks what I am doing and if I want to see her today. She adds that she can't stay long, but she wants to see me and boom boom. I say sure, come on by, and 45 minutes later I get a call that she is in the lobby, come pick her up. I give her an orange juice and she shows me all the pics from her birthday party. Then we play around for a while on the couch. It is really good to see her.
We go take a soapy shower together and I massage her pussy. Lying naked on the bed after our shower play, she takes a bottle of baby oil from her purse and asks me to give her a "real" Thai massage. We both know my Thai massage always morphs into what we now jokingly refer to as an "American" massage, but this afternoon M appears to really want and need an oil massage so I intend to give her a good one, at least for a while. LOL.
So M places some towels on the bed and then lays down on her stomach. I liberally pour some oil on her back and begin to earnestly massage her neck and shoulder muscles. For the next 10 minutes or so I work my hands down her back to her waist. Then I begin to massage her ass. When I run my finger lightly down her butt crack, M immediately turns her head around toward me laughing and says adamantly "Thai" massage, Mak not "American" massage. I insist that I am giving her a "Thai" massage and we both laugh. She lowers her head back on the pillow and I go back to massaging her lower back, but not for long. Soon my hands wander again and I am massaging her ass. Then I bend down and start kissing her intergluteal cleft or butt crack to you less intellectual types. M sits up and says I am a "bad boy".
She then turns over on her back and closes her eyes. I oil up her front side and begin to massage her neck and shoulders. Another 5 minutes or so goes by and I begin massaging her breasts. M opens her eyes, but only smiles and says nothing. I know I am pushing it. LOL. I work my way down her stomach massaging her sides as well. M then jumps about uncontrollably because she is very ticklish there and says "jk-g-je, jk-g-je". I begin to massage her thighs, but again I can't help being a "bad boy" and I slowly begin to let my hands wander over to her pussy. M says, "Thai" Massage, Mak again and I say yes, yes and go back to her thighs. But I slowly move my hands closer and closer to her pussy. Eventually I softly let my hand glide over her labia. M says nothing. Her eyes remain closed so I continue massaging her labia in earnest softly. M still has her eyes closed and says nothing. I lean down and start kissing her pussy lips and outer thighs. I take my time licking and kissing her everywhere then sensing M is ready, I start licking her clit. I look up and M's head is tilted to one side, her eyes are half shut, and she is murmuring something softly. She is very wet by this time and starts pressing her thighs around my head. I start to suck her clit and take it into my mouth. My face and chin are sopping wet. Eventually M releases her thigh grip and I move up to her breasts and start kissing them. Then I move up to her face and we make out for a while.
M now says it is my turn for a "Thai" massage. I lay down on my stomach and she drips some oil on my back and gives me a pretty decent back massage. It is very relaxing. For a light little spinner, M has strong hands. After 10 minutes of so I turn over and M lubes up my chest and continues with her massage. By the time she gets down to my groin area I am semi hard. She smiles and says something about my dick. Then she starts giving me a very good oily hand job and I am at full mast. She wipes off the oil with a wet towel she begins to smoke me.
After a while I feel an orgasm building so I pull her up and she gets on my dick and we boom boom. M has great cowgirl skills and tonight she got carried away a little. I love the way she rides my dick. I think she really likes it on top. She goes through many passionate gyrations. It is not just for my benefit. She is getting off on it too. Then she began to slow down. I rolled her over onto her back where I fulfilled my passion on top of her a short time later. As we lay in each other's arms, M said she had 2 orgasms tonight, one while I was going down on her and the second while she was on top riding my dick cowgirl. It was a pretty good mini reunion if you ask me. I really like shagging this girl.
We fooled around a little more and cleaned up in the shower. After shower time, I remember M taking a gulp of my Listerine. She seldom does this. Her phone then rang. It was in the living room so M hurried over to the couch to answer it apparently forgetting she had Listerine in her mouth. She tried to say Hello, and the Listerine spattered all over the couch. I pretended to be mad with her and I told her THAT WAS IT! LOOK AT THIS MESS. YOU HAVE TO LEAVE! And we both had a good laugh.
It was now around 7:30 pm. M told me she had a really important Insurin interview or something tomorrow morning and she wanted to go home early. I tried to encourage her about her new job opportunity and I went along with her game plan, but a Sunday morning business meeting sounded a little strange, not that I really cared one way or another. M asked me what I was going to do tonight and I said I was going to get some dinner and then probably would have a drink or two somewhere. She then told me that the Cowboy Go Go's were closed tonight on account of an election or something. That was the first I heard of it.
Anyway, I placed 2500 bt in M's purse and I escorted her downstairs. We kissed goodbye in the elevator and she waved good bye as the taxi left the hotel driveway. We made plans to get together tomorrow after she was finished with her job. It was almost dark now and I was hungry. I was ambivalent about getting any more action tonight. I figured I would see how I felt about more poontang later in the evening. After seeing M off, I headed down Soi 11. Hillary's bar was open and there were plenty of girls inside. Not that I didn't believe M on this, but based on what I saw at Hillary's, I decided I would go back to Nana Plaza later tonight and check things out, but first dinner.
I had been eating nothing but Thai food since I arrived in LOS, but tonight I felt like something different. I happened to be standing right outside Oskar's Bistro at that moment and the restaurant looked mighty inviting inside with good jazzy music playing, plenty of fashionable western customers (western women), and very attractive Thai waitresses. The food here is pretty good too. They serve up respectable pizzas for example, but tonight after checking out the menu, I ordered a cheeseburger with hand cut fries and glass of pretty decent Pinot Noir. It was all very good.
After dinner I walked over to Nana Plaza and began a small barhop. Guess what? All the Go Go's were open although some were not fully staffed. First I went back to RB4 kind of looking for Dee, but there was no Dee and the talent lineup was much diminished. I saw only one girl that was shag quality. I said Hi to her and bought her a drink. She was very friendly, but I did not feel up for another boom boom just then. I told the girl that I liked her and that I would come back and see her later another time. She looked a little disappointed, but I am sure she got over it as soon as I walked out the door. LOL.
The next Go Go I tried was Mandarin. This was my first visit. At the front door I met a very friendly and not unattractive girl. She grabbed my arm and escorted me upstairs. I asked her name, but I have forgotten it. I liked the Mandarin layout. It is very well lit so you know exactly who you are talking to and thinking of barfining. There were about 25 girls present on this night including a couple of cute ones. I am not sure if the bar was suffering under low dancer turnout like RB4 on account of the local elections, but if this was a bad night, I would sure like to see this place on a good night with all their dancers present.
The music was pretty good too, none of that mindless electronic Go Go music one hears elsewhere. As I said, I saw a couple of worthy cute girls and a friendly mamasan came over and asked how I was doing. She mistook my laid back, not ready to shag demeanor for shyness and she tried to act as matchmaker calling over several girls, one at a time, to introduce to me. But I told the mama I was cool and would pick a girl later. I finished my beer and walked back downstairs where I stopped to talk to the friendly hostess girl who had brought me into the bar earlier. She had a very warm upbeat personality and she appeared to me to be more attractive than most of the dancers upstairs. I told her I liked her and asked if wanted to go out with me. She said she had to stay on her job for a while, but if I come back later around midnight, she would like to go with me. It was too bad I never had the opportunity to go see her again. She was very cute and vivacious. I think she would have shown me a good time.
The next Go Go I hit was Rainbow 3 and it was dead. There were only 4 girls dancing on the stage. The mama said I should come back later because many girls were expected soon. I did not bother to order a drink here.
Then I hit Rainbow 1 where I saw some real potential barfines. It is funny how different bars have different types of girls working for them and thus create a unique bar culture. RB1 has a seedy grungy look to it which is kind of cool. The bar is much smaller than RB4, there is only one stage, but the girls I saw are of pretty high quality. In any case I sat down and ordered a beer. I looked around and suddenly noticed that many of the girls in this bar have nose jobs. This feature does not bother me much unlike silly cones which I abhor. There are a number of silly cones in this bar too unfortunately.
Anyway, I spotted a very attractive girl dancing on stage. She was smiling at me during most of her dance set so I invited her over for a drink. Her name is Mind #79. After a short, but pleasant get to know you interview, I decide that she was definitely barfine quality, but not for tonight. My batteries were running low and needed to be recharged. I tell this to Mind and she says she can give me power. Then I catch myself trying to talk myself into shagging this pretty girl and I realize it is just one of those nights. To be precise, it is not that I am low on power per se; it is my libido or sexual desire that is low tonight. I have had enough sex in this town and on this trip for the time being. I need to slow down a little. Damn this town. There are just too many hot girls and I am just a mortal man! I tell Mind that I will drop by to see her another time. She says she will be here and smiles. Then I pay my tab and leave the bar.
I take a good slow walk around the FL's in the Nana parking lot as I made my way to Sukhumvit. No girl really turned me on, but I enjoy the vibe of the hunt and just looking.
Next I head over to Thermae to have another drink. It is around 11:30 pm. There is a lot of street activity. I arrive at Thermae and find plenty of FL's hanging out there as usual. I sit down at the center bar, order a beer, and take in all the eye candy. Several girls approached me, but they were just not quite what I was looking for.
That is the main problem I have with Thermae nowadays. Honestly, is the quality is just not that good. I find most of the Thermae FL's are sub Go Go quality. Most of the girls wear faded well-worn clothes which convey to me a further lack of overall quality. The girls just don't seem fresh to me although many are under 24. But still there are a lot of girls here. I was receiving smiles and the "take me" look from most of them. I just did not see any girls that I had to have.
I keep going to Thermae because once in a while I get lucky and find a diamond. Like last year when I was there having a coke and an absolutely stunning girl dressed to the 9's in black evening dress walked into the place like she owned it. She was a 7. 5* woman in a sea of 5* girls. She walked around the island where I was sitting twice. On her 2nd revolution I smiled and said Hello,. She smiled and came over. She spoke educated English. She told me she worked in a legal office and came to Thermae once or twice a month when she was low on funds. Believe me guys; she possessed that "I have to have her" vibe and look. She was 29. Perhaps she started in Thermae a long time ago in its heyday. I don't know. She really stood out from all the other girls. I took her back to my hotel room and she showed me a great time. Somehow I misplaced her cell number and I never saw her again. I keep stopping by Thermae hoping I might bump into her again or someone like her. So far lightning hasn't struck twice.
So I finished my beer and walked back to Soi 11. The massage girls were hanging out in front of Vila Market and several of them tried to entice me over. I continue walking. As I approached Q Bar I saw two lovelies go in. I knew I would regret not following them inside, but I decided to call it a night. I needed a good sleep and time to recharge my batteries.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1620707] I knew I would regret not following them inside, but I decided to call it a night. I needed a good sleep and time to recharge my batteries.[/QUOTE]You could have pleasured one of these lovelies with a DATY and taken photos. You selfish man! :( YOLO, and you never know whether there will be next time. By the way I love your reports.
It's actually quite obvious. I don't know why nobody has said it before me. Perhaps it's because Pfizer's hitman is very good?
Spaceman.
Is that M or the one you met at the Thermae?
If Thermae, those are the type I look for, the Not dressed to kill and seemingly out of place at that bar.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1620337]
P at La Belle:[/QUOTE]She is actually very good looking. Nose doesn't look fake in the pic. I usually struggle to find like this at La Belle, but have not yet gone as high as Dee category. Pity about the Sillies though. All in all there are a lot of plastic looking girls and many dick scared too. I haven't had the greatest luck at La Belle. Even my long time regular, Jip, deteriorated in service. I have been having a little bit better luck at Amsterdam, these days although a fair percentage of plastic looking girls there too.
I am using nudie bars quite a bit, as I get to check out the girls very carefully before choosing so nothing unexpected under the dress. LOL Choosing at soapies is tough especially if girls are sitting down. At least the face should be properly visible. However I prefer to pick girls when I see them walking out from somewhere.
I am a bit too lazy to read your entire reports, so I just try to sift out the bits of interest (concerning venue, choosing girls, looks, and sex rating).
[QUOTE=JpSlicky;1621115]Is that M or the one you met at the Thermae?[/QUOTE]That is M. I like spending time with her and her friends with their hair down ie when they are dressed in their everyday garb, jeans and t-shirts, and when they are not made up. They look like attractive, but everyday young Bangkok women who you might see at a department store or restaurant. I like to think of them as "Les Bonne Femmes" or in English, "The Good Girls" after the movie classic by legendary French director Claude Chabrol.
It is interesting to watch the girls get dressed up at M's apartment before they report for work at Baccara Go Go. They are very supportive of one another. They form a close knit little entourage.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1621145]She is actually very good looking. Nose doesn't look fake in the pic. I usually struggle to find like this at La Belle, but have not yet gone as high as Dee category. Pity about the Sillies though. All in all there are a lot of plastic looking girls and many dick scared too. I haven't had the greatest luck at La Belle. Even my long time regular, Jip, deteriorated in service. I have been having a little bit better luck at Amsterdam, these days although a fair percentage of plastic looking girls there too.
I am using nudie bars quite a bit, as I get to check out the girls very carefully before choosing so nothing unexpected under the dress. LOL Choosing at soapies is tough especially if girls are sitting down. At least the face should be properly visible. However I prefer to pick girls when I see them walking out from somewhere.
I am a bit too lazy to read your entire reports, so I just try to sift out the bits of interest (concerning venue, choosing girls, looks, and sex rating).[/QUOTE]Syzygies, I know you hate plastic noses. I prefer natural too, but the nose is not a determining factor for me unless it is a horror show. Silly cones are a much more critical factor for me. P really fooled me. As I wrote, "I was very surprised to find that P was sporting rather large "see" cup silly cones. Her black evening dress camouflaged what she was packing. I had no idea. They looked pretty damn good, however, on her slender, fat free frame and I am not generally a bolt-on fan. Yeah, wow, this slender vivacious girl put her silly cones to good use in the Jacuzzi rubbing my dick with them in a nice slow motion until I was good and hard. ".
I have had real good times at La Belle especially this year. Wait until you read about on my sessions (plural) with El a "P" category girl. It was one of the top sessions of my entire trip beating out a beautiful Macau Chinese Sauna model for top honors. I really wanted to check out more soapies on this trip, but my semi monogamy with M was a limiting factor. I am keenly aware of the lost opportunities spending so much time with one particular girl cost me, but I can't complain. The benefits out weighed the costs. But I am definitely going to make time for Amsterdam and possibly Lords on my next trip and I will also go back to La Belle.
I apologize for the length of my trip reports. I know they are long. I should have subtitled my reports so readers would know when I am hunting solo at a Go Go's and massage parlors and could focus in on the parts that are of more interest to them. I know many board members might not be that interested in my continuing relations with one particular Go Go girl. To be honest, I was expecting more critiques of my style here on the ISG. 555.
I would be interested in your take on my experience with Tina #50 at Annies, however. If you missed that report it was in my March 19th Part 1 report. And in addition to my future reports on La Belle, I am about to to post a report on my visit to EZ 1 that I think you might find interesting as well. I will subtitle my future postings to give board members advance notice on what I am about to report.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1620053]Isn't it strange that some mongers find beauty, fun and happiness wherever they go and some others will only see and experience ugliness, bad service and trouble? Are Natty Bumpo and Old Bugger talking about the same city?[/QUOTE]I noticed the same stark contrast.
In Mr. Bugger's defense, examination of his grammar and syntax suggests English is not his mother tongue. I think it's possible his choppy diction and sentence structure turn up the "cranky" by a notch or two. That said, Mr. Bugger definitely seems to view the Bangkok scene as the proverbial glass that is half EMPTY. Perhaps he is just a sourpuss. Maybe if he broadened his search beyond blowjob bars he would find prettier girls. Or could it be he just hasn't tried a really good plate of fish and chips? (grin!)
Bunky
[QUOTE=Bunky;1621176]I noticed the same stark contrast.
In Mr. Bugger's defense, examination of his grammar and syntax suggests English is not his mother tongue. I think it's possible his choppy diction and sentence structure turn up the "cranky" by a notch or two. That said, Mr. Bugger definitely seems to view the Bangkok scene as the proverbial glass that is half EMPTY. Perhaps he is just a sourpuss. Maybe if he broadened his search beyond blowjob bars he would find prettier girls. Or could it be he just hasn't tried a really good plate of fish and chips? (grin!)
Bunky[/QUOTE]I don't think that given his attitude and perspective OleBugger is ever going to find a good plate of fish and chips. He will just lick the vinegar and complain about the fish.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1621159]To be honest, I was expecting more critiques of my style here on the ISG. [/QUOTE]I like them as they are. Don't shorten your reports because a few forum members don't like to read.
[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1620438]I don't know. I saw Old Bugger's report in a very different light. Rather than a report depicting negative attitude with high expectations, to me it was a very humorous account of his adventures. Just my humble point of view.[/QUOTE]Certainly humorous, I agree. At least to my taste for it. Both readable & interesting, too, unlike most other lengthy tombs. The vast majority of readers, I expect, don't bother with anything over two large paragraphs or a few hundred characters.
OTOH, I think comparisons can be made to full time dwelling LOS posters who often reminisce about how things suck now compared to the "happy days" of Richie Cunningham & the Fonz, and some more recent decades.
There's a difference between guys who are full time life long mongers like Bugger & virgin kids with free reign of the candy shop for the first time. Leave them in their stuffing their faces for many years & see how they feel about it then. Those who've never been in the position of the former probably should walk in their shoes for a while before commenting.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1621159]I know many board members might not be that interested in my continuing relations with one particular Go Go girl. To be honest, I was expecting more critiques of my style here on the ISG. 555.[/QUOTE]Your writing style is very lucid and the longer the report the more enjoyable it appears to me. As you have rightly pointed out, some might not be interested in the semi-monogamy spread over several days, yet it is such good narrative that most board members would just lap it up.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1621159]To be honest, I was expecting more critiques of my style here on the ISG. 555.[/QUOTE]Your reports are "spot on"! Your trip is (for some) a trap they can fall into at any time and it is very interesting to read how well you handle it.
Wish my experience turns out half as Natty Bumpo's. Thanks for the good FR.
[QUOTE=David_33;1621191]I like them as they are. Don't shorten your reports because a few forum members don't like to read.[/QUOTE]Thanks David. I appreciate your support. I am well aware of your contributions over in the Peruvian and now the Philippine forum. I love Peru and have been there many times for the cultural aspects as well as the natural attractions. Trekking for 10 days in the Huascaran National Park was amazing. I also hiked the Inca Trail in the rainy season and slept in caves along the way. That was crazy, but a great memory.
I never participated in any of Peru's P4 P attractions. Most of my Peruvian adventures were pre my awareness of ISG, but one time, I will never forget it; I was traveling with two Lima graduate students from Chiclayo to Trujillo. The guys wanted to show me a bordello on the outskirts of Trujillo. The bordello was set up like a horse shoe shaped Motel 6. Girls were in every room. When a door to a specific room was closed and the curtains drawn it meant the girl inside was occupied. When the curtains were open we could check out the girls. It was kind of like a Trujillian version of the Amsterdam red light district. I remember there were long lines of guys waiting outside one or two popular doors. It was a real local scene, not set up for Gringos or well off Peruvians. The girls I saw were plump and heavily made up. To be kind, they were not very appealing. LOL. We hung out there for 15 minutes or so and then continued on our journey.
[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1621234]Your writing style is very lucid and the longer the report the more enjoyable it appears to me. As you have rightly pointed out, some might not be interested in the semi-monogamy spread over several days, yet it is such good narrative that most board members would just lap it up.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I think it is important to keep it in context that although I spent a lot of time with M while I was in Bangkok; I was only in BKK 19 days and it was part of a much larger 56 day tour through South East Asia. I met a lot of very sexy and talented girls everywhere I went.
My goal with this trip report is to describe each girl I spent time with and convey what was special or unique about her, the good and the bad. Fortunately most of my experiences this trip were really good.
[QUOTE=MaximusBibicus;1621560]Wish my experience turns out half as Natty Bumpo's. Thanks for the good FR.[/QUOTE]Hi MB, A positive mental attitude and a friendly demeanor will take you most of the way. Treat the girls nice and the vast majority of them will show you a good time. That said, however, it is very important to read a girl's body language and not be in a hurry to barfine a girl based solely on her looks. I recommend reading the forum and writing down those establishments that consistently receive high marks from fellow board members. There is a good reason why some places have a loyal customer base. Go Go's like Baccara, Crazy House, Suzi Wong, Rainbow 4, and Mandarin; Oily's like Mango, EZ, Cherry, Bamboo, and Snow White; and Soapy's like La Belle, Amsterdam, Lord, Copa Cabana, and Nataree (not a favorite of mine) all have a pretty consistent following. Start with these joints. On a first trip, I doubt you will have the time or the need to go anywhere else, but enjoy.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1621276]Your reports are "spot on"! Your trip is (for some) a trap they can fall into at any time and it is very interesting to read how well you handle it.[/QUOTE]Thanks W. I have always like reading your posts too.
You are of course referring to the "tender trap" where every year a few unfortunate Farangs forget where they are, who they are with, and think they have fallen in love with their Thai (or any Asian) working girl. Still worse and more detrimental to their well being and financial health, they begin to believe their girl is different and she has fallen in love with them. All I can say is good luck to that!
Asian working girls are great and many do give their customers the Girl Friend Experience. I find the GFE mutually beneficial and I try to cultivate it with the girls I meet, but I never forget that it is an illusion or a sexual fantasy that I am indulging in. M and I have a very good relationship. It evolved over many years. I am very fond of her and I think she likes me too. That is about as far as it goes in reality however. If I were to say to her, "darling, I have had a reversal in the real estate market and I can't afford to pay you anymore. " Would she still come over to my hotel every night, have a couple of orgasms and boom boom me? I highly doubt it. LOL. OK, she might come over once or twice not fully believing what I was telling her, but that would stop soon enough. That is for sure.
So I just enjoy my time with her. I have no idea how long it will last. As George Harrison said, "All things must pass. " M is a very level headed girl and she knows the score. She has never asked me for a contribution and I think that now would have been the time to ask as she is trying to transition out of the business. So good for her. She is a good girl.
Day 25 Sunday March 23,2014 Bangkok Day 9 (Semi Monogamy):
I switched hotels today. My new digs are the Marriott Exec Apartments Thonglor. I think the Marriott Exec is a little more luxurious than the Fraser Suites, but not by much. It is, however a brand new hotel and everything is spotless and high end. I got a pretty good deal here for 2800 bt / night and my 1 bedroom suite is very quiet and roomy. The one complaint I had with the Fraser was that even though I was on the 24th floor, I could still hear all the Soi 11 street noise until 3 am when it would abruptly end. Most nights it did not bother me because I was up anyway, but it is something to be aware of and for future reservations I will request a high floor with a northern view.
I spent an hour or so relaxing by the Marriott pool. M taxied over to my new hotel after she got out of her "Insurin" training program at 6 pm. Somehow her Baccara momasan saw her Facebook birthday pictures and she called M up to tell her she had to come in to work tonight or be fined. So M asked me if I minded taking her to Baccara and barfinning her tonight. I said no problem. In fact I wanted to go visit Baccara since I had arrived in BKK.
M and I played around in my new suite. We watched a little TV in the living room and then gave each other another "Thai" massage which morphed into an "American" Massage, 555, and like yesterday it ended when I moved down and started licking M's pussy until she came. Then we had another satisfying boom boom. It was around 8:30 pm by the time we finished banging each other, showered and were dressed again. We were both a little hungry and M said she wanted to eat some raw clams to give her power, so we jumped into a taxi to Soi Cowboy.
It felt like I was back home upon entering Baccara for the 1st time this trip. This is still my favorite Go Go in Thailand. The place was crowded, but I have seen it more crowded in other years. The demonstrations have taken their toll on tourism. The ratio of girls to customers must have been around 10 to 1. We decided to sit upstairs and have a drink. Super friendly De saw us and came over to say Hello,. I offered her a drink and she ordered a Tequila and then so did I. We stayed upstairs to watch her dance topless. Now there is no way would I ever barfine De. As much as I like her, I just do not find her sexually attractive the way I find Be and P; M's two other close Baccara Go Go friends, but De has the sweetest, friendliest personality and I really like that about her. And there are two of her! It was great to finally meet Yu, De's twin sister at M's Birthday party the other day. Yu works in another Go Go. I will have to find out where and go visit her. I would definitely shag Yu. She turns me on. It's funny how sexual attraction works with sisters sometimes.
Anyway M and I moved downstairs where I bumped into the fat waitress. She smiled and instantly recognized me. I say Hi and I tipped her 50 bt. I have a very friendly relationship with her from all my previous visits to Baccara. It was good to see her again. I ask her to find us a table in my usual section over in the corner. She found us a table and we sat down and ordered another round of drinks. Oiy, another one of M's friends, whom I met at the party, came over to say Hello. Soon De came downstairs to join us. There was this sullen Korean customer sitting next to me and I politely asked him to move over a little bit so there would be room for De. The SOB just ignored me. Ha! The fat waitress came over and ordered the Korean dude to move over which he then meekly did and De squeezed in. Oiy and De suggest we all have a round of Tequila shots which I am equally up for, but M says she has to get up early tomorrow for her Insurin training program so she begs out and nurses her Heineken on ice. So I order 4 shots anyway, including one shot for the waitress. I like to reward good people.
Meanwhile on stage I spot Aey, a sexy girl I have boom boomed only two times over the many years I have known her. I met Aey in 2010. I remember I liked her dark, tall, skinny, southern look and I asked her over for a drink back then. We flirted and I knew she was cool. I will never forget what she said to me that night to seal the deal. She said, "barfine me, I have a small pussy. " Well I barfined her that night and she did have a very small pussy. It was a memorable session. Ever since that first time, I have only shagged her one other time. I guess our stars were never properly aligned and for some reason or other I was always either with someone else, or too tired from a soapy session, or she was occupied with a customer whenever I saw her. I would buy her a drink from time to time and we would catch up a little, but I was never free to do her again until last year that is.
It was April 2013 during Songkran. M had left BKK to be with her family and I still had 2 days left on my own in the big Mango. The first night on my own, I went to La Belle where I met the beautiful and charming Joy and I had a great time with her. (see picture below).
Afterwards I stopped off at Baccara and ran into Aey. I bought her a drink and she asked me to barfine her. I sadly told her for the umpteenth time that I couldn't because, this time, I was out of power. She looked at me with her charming ironic smile and said "you always say that and you never barfine me. " I said "OK, I will barfine you tomorrow, FOR SURE!" and she looked at me again with her smile full of ironic friendly disbelief. So I made a pinky promise to come back and barfine her at 9 pm the very next night, my last night in BKK 2013.
And I kept my promise and dropped by Baccara with the sole purpose of barfinning Aey. But this time she was the one with the excuse. She said was waiting for her Korean customer to show up. I said, "Well you can't say that I did not want to barfine you. I kept my pinky promise. Here I am. " Aey reflected on this a little bit and then said "ok, let's go. ".
So we went back to my hotel. I was staying at the Grand Centre Point T21 at the time and we had a nice very friendly sexual reunion. I must say though that her pussy was no longer as tight as it used to be back in 2010.555. Afterwards, we went back to Cowboy and we stopped off at Shark bar where Aey said she had a girlfriend. I ordered a round of drinks and then Aey excused herself saying she was going to Baccara to look for her Korean customer. I laughed to myself thinking, "Good luck on that one. You are only 90 minutes late. I am sure he is still hanging around waiting for you. " So Aey's girlfriend and I had another round in Shark and the girlfriend tried to get me to barfine her, but I wasn't in the mood. Not 10 minutes later Aey comes back into Shark. She can't find her customer and she is all upset about it. I tell her to relax and have a good time. I order a round of Tequilas for us and Aey lightens up and forgets all about her Korean customer. So we spent a couple of hours together drinking and having a good time until I decided to call it quits and head back to my hotel room solo. And that was my 2nd rendezvous with Aey on my last night in BKK 2013.
So fast forward to tonight, March 23,2014 . I am sitting with M, De, and Oiy having shots and here comes Aey walking off stage past us. She sees me and I smile at her. She smiles back at me, very discreetly, and now here is the best part: her ironic knowing smile perfectly conveys to me what she is thinking ie "so there you are my American friend back in town again, sitting with 3 girls having Tequila shots, and not with me! You are a bad boy! See you next time. " And she moved on without any of my entourage seeing the interaction between us. At that moment I really hoped I could get around to Aey this trip. She is a nice girl and has a great sense of ironic humor. And her pussy is still pretty good. 555.
After the 2nd round to Tequila shots, M and I decide it is time for dinner so we say goodbye to our friends and head over to Love Scene on Soi 23. This is a great place and surprisingly the food is pretty good. All the Cowboy girls know about this place and come here so I recommend it to all you guys next time you visit Soi Cowboy. I let M order. She knows her way around the menu better than I do, but she always confers with me to make sure I am happy. She orders the raw clams (of course), soup (which was great), a stir fry pork dish, and som tam (without the tarantula) 555. And we both have water. No more alcohol tonight.
M prepares my clams and spoon feeds me. Dinner is great. Afterwards, she decides to escort me back to my hotel by taxi and then from there take a taxi back to her apartment. My hotel is on the way, but I think M is starting to get a little possessive over me. She asked me where I went last night and I told her Nana. She appeared to be genuinely surprised that all the Nana bars were open. Apparently Baccara was closed last night and this was confirmed by De. Anyway she asked me, "if I take a lady from Nana last night" and I said no, I only have drinks. I think it is a good idea to subtly let your Thai Go Go girl understand that if she does not take real good care of you there are only 10,000 other girls who gladly will. That's one of the reasons I love Asia so much! Everything between a man and woman is the way it is should be. So we taxied back to the Marriott Thonglor. Let's just say it was a very romantic taxi ride. We said goodbye and M then taxied home. I give her a lot of credit for wanting to try this alternative "Insurin" career. I hope it works for her. More on that later.
It was around midnight. I had moved to Thonglor expressly so I could have easy access to the Ekmani G-clubs, but I decided not to go to Sherbert tonight so that was it for me. It was just another night in the big Mango.
(Joy- La Belle-2013)
Day 26 Monday March 24,2014 Bangkok Day 10 (Semi Monogamy):
M came by around 7 pm with oils and bath salts. She had mentioned earlier on the phone that she wanted us to try one more time to give each other a "real" oil massage. So she laid some towels on the bed and told me to lie down on my stomach. Then she disappeared into the bathroom for a couple a minutes and when she reappeared she had a face mask on. I gave her an exaggerated look of surprise and horror as I told her I thought she had turned into a zombie. She begged me not to make her laugh or smile because it would ruin the mask, but neither one of us could keep a straight face after her funny entrance. I even got up and snapped a few pics.
Eventually we got serious and she got down to giving me an oily Thai massage. It was nice. After she finished with me front and back, it was now my turn to do her and I tried to keep it a straight massage although occasionally I let my hands wonder to certain erogenous zones. After the massage, we jumped into a warm soapy bath together. She had brought a bath towel stuffed with soapy stones which removed most of the oil on our skins and we had a real good time relaxing together in the tub. Then we did a final rinse in the shower before going back to bed for boom boom.
I started out cat licking her until I reached her pussy and then I dove in. She became very wet and had an orgasm. Then it was her turn to give me BJ and afterwards M got on top for some more great cowgirl. For some reason, probably it was just the hot bath and relaxing massage, I felt tired and not very sexually excited this night. So it took a long time for me to cum. After cowgirl, I flipped her over and tried to finish off in mish but I just couldn't get to goal post so after 40 minutes or so I had had enough and pulled out of M. She became very concerned that I had not finished as she put it and she began to give me another BJ. The BJ morphed into a HJ after a while and she poured a lot of oil on my dick to keep everything well lubricated. She said she wanted to see me cum in the air. I sat up and started massaging her little breasts and making out with her while watching us in the closet door mirror. The visual stimulus finally did the trick and I shot off a load that arched and landed on her thigh. M was so proud and happy that she had succeeded in making me cum. What a little trooper! Incidentally, I have found that many pro Asian girls really seem to care about this and want their customers to achieve orgasm. They take it as a personal failure if their man does not cum. M and I lay together in each other's arms afterwards for a long while. Eventually we got up and took another shower to clean up. M, as are all Thai girls I know, is very hygienic.
After the shower we were both hungry and so we discussed where to go for dinner. M suggested Thon Krueng restaurant on Thonglor. I like this restaurant a lot so that was the plan. It was just before the 10 pm, the last order deadline, when we arrived at the restaurant. We ordered noodles, chili shrimp, and tom gha ka. I had thought M had to go to Baccara tonight, but she said that since she gone there yesterday and I had barfined her then, it was ok and she did not have to go there tonight. But, she asked if I did not mind, if we went there together tomorrow night and I barfinned her and I agreed.
After dinner we were walking down Thonglor talking about what to do next when M got a call from P who complained that she had a stomach ache and asked if M could please come over and help her out. I don't know what M could do, but M being a good friend, wanted to go see the ailing P. I really like the way these "good girls" support and help each other out. M asked me if it was all right for her to go and I said sure it was and that I would see her in Baccara tomorrow. M hailed a motorcycle taxi and then she was gone.
It was around 11:30 pm and for some reason I was still feeling a little tired or overly relaxed I do not know, but I decided to take a taxi to Sherbet G-Club nonetheless. Sherbet is located at 59 Ekkamai Road (Sukhumvit Soi 63) which is a short distance from the Marriott Thonglor. G-Club girls put most Go Go girls to shame. They are light skinned, tall and really beautiful. And they actually dance! My goal was merely to meet a lovely G-club girl and hopefully click with her and set something up for later. That was it.
When I arrived, the main room was packed with Asian and many well off Thai customers as well as many seriously beautiful girls. In addition to the main dance hall, there is a wine room / restaurant and very expensive private VIP rooms.
I was greeted by a friendly manager and she asked if I was a member. I said no I was just a guest and she told me about the advantages of becoming a member. I am sure that if I lived in BKK, I would choose a membership at one of these Gentlemen Clubs. An annual membership fee costs around 30,000 bt for which a member receives 10 bottles of liquor of his choice like Johnny Walker or Smirnoff which the club stores for him. Members have no cover charge and as an added bonus of a membership, lady drinks are reduced and I believe members receive better responses from the girls as the girls view farang club members as business men and well off expats living in BKK and thus a more worthy potential boyfriend than a lowly tourist. These girls are not looking for one night stands although I am sure exceptions are made all the time for the right price.
Anyway, a hostess escorted me to a table in the dance hall. A live band was playing and I saw many exceptionally hot coyotes (models), hostesses, and bar girls dancing and drinking everywhere. What a scene! My 600 bt cover charge entitled me to two beers. As I slowly sipped my beer, I looked around at all the girls. I did not see one plain girl in the place. It made my favorite Go Go's look like, I hate to say it, nothing.
Over to the side, I saw two attractive girls looking my way and smiling. One of the girls (I believe she was a sales girl) came by and asked if I wanted a girl to sit with me and when I replied that I did, she pointed to the other girl and asked if I wanted her. I said yes as the girl she pointed to was very hot and Nut came by, smiled, and sat down beside me. Now here is where my tab got hit hard. Having Nut sit with me and entertain me, incurred an immediate charge of two lady drinks. Then every 45 minutes after that, as long as I kept Nut at my table, my tab was hit with another lady drink. On top of that, I had to buy a cocktail for Nut or what was the point of inviting her over. So by my tab was already at 1650 bt 5 minutes after Nut joined me.
Nut was friendly and very attractive. She spoke only a little English and yet it was fun trying to communicate with her. She said she was 24. We danced most of the time we were together. She introduced me to some of her hot friends and I had an interesting, good time with her. I knew she would not let me barfine her tonight, but she gave me her cell number and asked where I was staying. I asked her if she wanted to have dinner with me and she said I should call her. Uhm. I stayed at Sherbet until around 1:30 am. My tab came to slightly less than 3000 bt. Since I never got around to calling Nut and going on a date with her, let alone shagging her, I guess some would say Sherbet was a waste of my time and money, but I don't see it that way. These G-clubs are the places to go to find some of the best looking girls in BKK. It is not a point and' shoot and then reload gallery like a Go Go or massage parlor, but if you want to meet and eventually shag model quality Thai girls, then sooner or later G-Clubs like Sherbet will draw you in. I will be back.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1621729]Day 25 Sunday March 23,2014 Bangkok Day 9 (Semi Monogamy):
I switched hotels today. My new digs are the Marriott Exec Apartments Thonglor. I think the Marriott Exec is a little more luxurious than the Fraser Suites, but not by much. It is, however a brand new hotel and everything is spotless and high end. I got a pretty good deal here for 2800 bt / night and my 1 bedroom suite is very quiet and roomy. The one complaint I had with the Fraser was that even though I was on the 24th floor, I could still hear all the Soi 11 street noise until 3 am when it would abruptly end. Most nights it did not bother me because I was up anyway, but it is something to be aware of and for future reservations I will request a high floor with a northern view.
I spent an hour or so relaxing by the Marriott pool. M taxied over to my new hotel after she got out of her "Insurin" training program at 6 pm. Somehow her Baccara momasan saw her Facebook birthday pictures and she called M up to tell her she had to come in to work tonight or be fined. So M asked me if I minded taking her to Baccara and barfinning her tonight. I said no problem. In fact I wanted to go visit Baccara since I had arrived in BKK.
M and I played around in my new suite. We watched a little TV in the living room and then gave each other another "Thai" massage which morphed into an "American" Massage, 555, and like yesterday it ended when I moved down and started licking M's pussy until she came...[/QUOTE]Very good post.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1620037]Day 20 Tuesday March 18,2014 Bangkok Day 4 (Semi Monogamy):.[/QUOTE]Amazing reports NB. Thanks so much for sharing.
Your prose is wonderfully descriptive. I feel like I am back in BKK when I read it. My mouth waters when you talk about the food! Not only do your reports make me horny they make me hungry too.
And I appreciate your perspective as I too have dabbled in semi-monogamy on my last trip (see pattaya thread) and will try to keep the relationship with my bar girl going. Your observations on this are a revelation.
I am restraining not to read all your reports in one go (I've read 4 so far today). I will ration them out to make them last me. So I can enjoy them as your Ms. M enjoys her soaps.
Keep up the great work!
And stay horny my friend.
Uncle-V.
Day 27 Tuesday March 25,2014 Bangkok Day 11 (Semi Monogamy) Domestic Bliss:
I was kind of lazy and I can't remember doing too much today aside from walking up Thonglor to Thong Lo 20, crossing over to Ekkamai and then walking back down Ekkamai back to Sukhumvit and subsequently cooling off by the Marriott pool.
M was at her new job all day and she arrived at my hotel around 7:30 pm. She said she was learning how to "Insurin" interview today and I was beginning to understand what her new job was. I had skipped lunch today and M said she had had nothing to eat all day either so we were both hungry, so we decided to boom boom later after dinner.
M also said she had to make an appearance at Baccara since she had not gone yesterday. So off we went to Cowboy, but there was so much going on that we could not hail a taxi either at the Marriott or on the corner of Sukhumvit and Thonglor. After uselessly trying for over 10 minutes, I insisted we take the BTS because I was really hungry and could not take waiting any longer. M does not like the BTS. It's too crowded for her and I gather she considers public transportation beneath her, LOL. I am amused by her funny affectations and the glimpse they give me into the mindset of BKK working girls. M and her friends always take taxis wherever they are going. Easy come, easy go. Saving money on the BTS or MRT is a joke to them. Meanwhile, I have no problem taking the BTS or MRT because it can save a lot of time and I don't like throwing money away on taxis when I don't have to. So we took our first ride on the elevated train together to Asok station where I impressed M with my knowledge of this station by showing her the "secret" exit short cut through the Citi Bank building and down the escalators straight to Soi 23 and Baccara.
We sat upstairs at Baccara and I ordered two beers. De saw us and came over to say Hi. I bought her shot of Tequila and she was very appreciative. M asked why I did not want a shot too and I told her I preferred just beer tonight. De was being so nice and friendly that I offered to barfine her so she could join us for dinner and she accepted the invitation graciously with a big smile.
So I paid the barfines for M and De and the three of us headed off to Love Scene. The girls and I decided to order fish tonight and I let them choose how it was to be prepared. They always seem to have an insight into what is best to order and the girls turn me on to many new things. I love taking them out to dinner. They choose the steamed sea bass cooked in spicy lemon grass and it was really good. We also ordered two different green vegetable dishes; the morning glory (my choice) was great. We also ordered raw giant clams, for power (555) and because they are so good, fried chicken wings and a round of Heinekens to wash it all down with. The girls prefer their beer on ice. It is a Thai girl thing.
Throughout our meal the girls and I engaged in lively, funny conversation. Then De went off course a little bit by making the observation that if M and I were to have a baby, it would have a large "Western" nose, the kind of nose M wants for herself. I immediately diverted the conversation away from this topic by saying that the baby would have red hair like M's new hair color. The girls laughed and we moved on to more fun, less dangerous topics. M never mentions living together or my sponsoring her and that is a very good thing because I have no intention of ever going down that road with her, but occasionally her friends broach the subject in a tangential way. Whether it is on purpose or done innocently, I do not know, but when they occasionally cross the line, I have to steer the conversation back to safer waters.
As we were leaving the restaurant, De gets a call from P. P still has a stomach ache from the night before and she hasn't eaten anything all day. De decides it is her turn to pay P a visit tonight and take care of her friend. Again I think to myself how really nice it is to see these modern BKK working girls support one another. I donate 100 bt for a BBQ whole fish from a Soi 23 food vendor. De selects a juicy fish and also picks up some crispy crickets. She thanks me and says goodnight. Then she jumps into a taxi and she is gone.
M and I take the next taxi back to the Marriott. We watch a little TV intertwined with make out sessions during the commercials. Then M starts stripping and it is time for a soapy shower. I don't know if I it was the raw clams kicking in or it was because I stuck to only two beers and no Tequila tonight, but I was more than ready for a good time so we played around a lot in the shower. I was hard the moment M took my dick in her hand and started soaping me up. I massaged her clit and then ran a soapy finger down her butt crack. Back on the bed M started things off with a great little BJ. Then we got down to some really good boom boom. Initially M was a little worried because the previous night I could not cum easily. I told her not to worry about it. There was little chance of that happening again tonight. And in fact, I did not last past her fabulous Cowgirl ride.
So it was another night of domestic bliss (LOL) in BKK. M left around 1 am. She had to get up early again for her new job. We made tentative plans to hook up and go swimming tomorrow evening before dinner.
Day 28 Wednesday March 26,2014 Bangkok Day 12 (Semi Monogamy) More Domestic Bliss:
M came over after her "Insurin" class around 6:30 pm and we went swimming until it got dark. We were the only ones in the pool area so things got a little risqué, but no too much. After a while it felt cold so we ran upstairs to the room for warm shower, boom boom, and then another shower.
Tonight I decided to take M to a Thai fusion restaurant on Thonglor that I had heard good things about called Soulfood. The restaurant is small and cozy. M made the observation that she was the only Thai customer in the place and she was right, but despite that, the food was pretty good and very innovative. The Sticky Tamarind Ribs and the Flank Steak Nahm Tok were really great and so was the craft beer we ordered. While eating a piece of the well-seasoned flank steak, M decided to down it with a tiny roasted pepper. Only a Thai girl would be so brazen and even she had to admit afterwards that she felt the heat. But my little girl was undaunted and repeated the same act with another hot pepper with her next bite of steak. Then she tried to get me to try it too, but seeing her initial reaction, I said no thanks. I guess I am just no fun.
Back in the suite we played the domestic couple scene watching M's favorite Thai soap opera on the couch, drinking Vodka and sprite, and smooching during the commercials. I don't know what the characters were saying exactly, but it is pretty easy to follow the drama and know the score. Some of the Thai actresses are very hot. So I enjoy watching the soaps with my little darling.
After the show we fooled around so more and eventually my T-shirt came off and M's dress came undone. We moved to the bedroom and I went down on her until she had another orgasm. I remember that she was very wet and so was my entire chin. I dried my face on the sheets and I then I entered her from on top. After a good time in mish, I pulled M up and she sat on my lap and I rocked her. She matched my moves and I became very horny watching us go at it in the mirror. I finally laid back and M got on top and rode me cowgirl until we had a mutual orgasm. Afterwards she collapsed in my arms.
M left around 12:30 am in order to get up early for her "Insurin" classes. She voiced concern that there were wrinkles forming under her eyes from lack of sleep. I assured her she looked great. Before she jumped into a taxi she looked at me with her baby brown eyes and asked that I go back upstairs to my room and get some sleep rather than head out to Sherbet Club as she suspected I might do. I wonder where she got that idea. Nod, Wink! More adventures to come...
Day 29 Thursday March 27,2014 Bangkok Day 13 (Semi Monogamy) Part 1 EZ Massage:
I found myself over in the Victory Monument area again around lunchtime and so I decided to walk over to Boat Noodle Alley specifically to Sud Yod kuay Teow Reua (Pa Yuk) restaurant to have lunch. Pa Yuk is the restaurant on the far right hand side after you cross the pedestrian bridge. You can't miss it if you look in that direction. Ordering here is easy enough. I just asked for boat noodles with beef (Kuay teow sen lek neua). This dish is a really good and a satisfying cheap eats.
It was around 2 pm by the time I had finished lunch and was heading back to the BTS station. I had a desire to get an oily massage so I took the BTS to Phrom Phong Station (Soi 24). As I approached Mango and EZ1 massage parlors, I saw three Mango girls sitting outside their shop having lunch. I said Hello, to the girls and they smiled suggestively and said Sawasdee Ka back. As tempting as one of the girls was, I had already made up my mind to check out EZ 1 Massage first. EZ has some good looking girls and the focus is more on a GFE sesson. Mango is one of the best porn session shops in BKK if you have never tried Mango, I suggest you go there. When Ammy was still working there, Mango was my favorite oily massage parlor in Thailand, and therefore the world.
Anyway, I walked up to the 2nd floor of EZ1 to the reception area where I met a friendly girl who invited me in and asked if I was interested in seeing the girls. She said there were only 4 girls available at the moment and she would bring them out to meet me. I must say I was sexually attracted to this friendly girl. She wasn't a stunner or anything close, but I felt a sexual vibe off her. Initially I thought she might even be the mama. Well the friendly girl brought out three other girls and as it turned out she was the 4th girl. So there was no contest. I chose Miss Friendly. She helped me change my shoes and then she escorted me up another flight of stairs to a room.
She told me her name was P* and wrote it out for me on a piece of paper. We started out in the shower and I fooled around with her a little, but it was evident to me that all P really wanted to do in the shower was wash me and prepare for the body massage. So the soapy shower was kind of a non-event.
On the bed, P gave me pretty good and thorough oil massage, but while she was massaging my lower back, she let her hand touch my anal rim and balls a few times. I let my body respond to her touch and she asked if I liked what she was doing and I told her I did. P finished my back massage and then she asked me to turn over. She began to massage my front side taking her time in order to give me a complete oil massage head to foot. Finally she worked her way up my left leg and she arrived at my erogenous zone.
Now the session became better and better. P certainly knew her business and she gave me a remarkably erotic thigh massage (oily HJ). She started to delicately rub her finger on my ass hole again and asked if I liked that. I said yes and she asked if I wanted her to penetrate my A-hole. I said ok and she smiled a naughty smile. Like everything else so far in the session, P took her time and choreographed everything she did. The result was amazing. She really aroused me and I was really enjoying this unexpected turn. With one had she was giving me a very high quality HJ, while at the same time with her other hand, she was expertly and tenderly probing and giving me a sensual prostrate massage. She knew just how to stroke my dick and bring me to just short of the point of orgasm and then when to leave off and calm things back down only to start it up again. I almost came a couple times, but I didn't. It was one of the best thigh massages I have had in a long time and I have had a number of real good ones as performed by Vietnamese girls in my favorite Macau Saunas.
P then asked if I wanted to have sex now and I said yes, I wanted it. So we skipped the BBBJ and I did not care. P mounted me and said I was large. 555. Ok a little over the top BS on her part, but her pussy felt real good and tight and she moved just right. After taking me to the brink a couple more times, I finally couldn't hold off any longer and I came. It was a very strong orgasm.
Afterwards P meticulously cleaned me off and then we took a shower together. We made out in the shower. I really enjoyed my session with her. It was definitely not a GFE. P was way to professional in her approach and technique, but it was definitely a very pleasurable experience. Towards the end of the session we were getting along just fine. P speaks very little English and this may be the reason the session started out a little clinical, but she is a very good girl in my humble opinion and I think I may have to go back and see her again.
In the looks department, well you guys be the judge. The pictures on the web site are definitely photo shopped and paint a rosy picture. My photos, on the other hand, do not do her justice. She is better looking in person than my photos would have you believe. The lighting in the room was really bad which accounts for the graininess in my first photo.
Personally, I find her sexually attractive. Others may disagree, but her professional massage technique was really superlative! 9. 5* out of 10* and I really liked shagging her too. Her cowgirl technique was very pleasurable. The website says P is 24 years old. That is false. She is at least 27, not that I give a damn because she is in real good shape sporting very nice natural "be" cup breasts and a curvy body. She is a little on the quiet side, but she is of good cheer and she gave me a very high quality session.
I gave her a 300 bt tip and she smiled / thanked me. Then she walked me down the stairs to the reception area where I paid the tab for our 90 minute massage. She helped me put on my tennis shoes and then she escorted me down another flight of stairs to the front door where she gave me a light kiss goodbye. I walked out into the hot BKK sun feeling really good and relaxed.
She looks ok.
Termas Time.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1622462]I walked out into the hot BKK sun feeling really good and relaxed.[/QUOTE]Another great post NB. I have broken my promise to myself to pace out the reading of your reports and have devoured them greedily.
I think your massage girl is cute, though not a stunner. But any experienced ladies man knows that pics can deceive and that it's the chemistry between two people that really counts. Some girls have that je ne sais quoi sexuality that transcends their looks and can't be captured in a grainy cell phone pic. Very often its those girls that stick in our heads on those cold lonely nights and not the lookers.
Keep up the great work. I eagerly await your next posts.
Stay horny my friend.
Uncle-V.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1621159]
I would be interested in your take on my experience with Tina #50 at Annies, however. [/QUOTE]I don't really have much of a take. Lots of girls give shitty body-slides because they move too fast. I have tried to tell them to slow down but usually doesn't work. Most have one pace and that's it. Its not actually all that easy to give a great body-slide. Better off just finding a girl who does go slow. I do know some.
I never have really found the Annies bodyslide to be that good. The mat is too cold and too cramped for space, and girls often not expert. Dr. BJ VIP or Nuru has been better for me, including an ex-Annies girl.
Great if the girl was good looking and had a good time so could just write off the body slide part. I probably prefer girls willing to try to adjust to the customer. I was married to a girl who was never wrong! Bad idea. LOL Do women ever really try to change or accomodate? Its easier to try to accept the way they are rather than change them.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1622908]I don't really have much of a take. Lots of girls give shitty body-slides because they move too fast. I have tried to tell them to slow down but usually doesn't work. Most have one pace and that's it. Its not actually all that easy to give a great body-slide. Better off just finding a girl who does go slow. I do know some.[/QUOTE]Bamboo has one that does a very sensual and long body slide. She only started in April and had only session with her -- she almost had me pop with her pussy slide. Name is Koy or Kloy.
Has anyone tried this girl?
[URL]http://reenabangkokescort.com[/URL]
Any reviews??
[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1620701]Pantip Plaza is pretty amazing and well worth a visit. Here you will find a multitude of computer and electronics' vendors both legitimate and otherwise. On the second floor there are a couple of software stores selling just about everything you can imagine.[/QUOTE]
I love to shop for electronic gadgets and helpful software when I'm in Bangkok, so I very much enjoyed the pointer. Sounds like Pantip Plaza is similar to the MBK Center, where I have had good luck purchasing, let's call it, "discount software."
I was wondering if Mr. Bumpo, or anybody else for that matter, could compare the shopping experience at Pantip Plaza with MBK Center. Are there certain items that are better to purchase at one place compared to the other?
Bunky
"I was wondering if Mr. Bumpo, or anybody else for that matter, could compare the shopping experience at Pantip Plaza with MBK Center. Are there certain items that are better to purchase at one place compared to the other?
Bunky".
For anything to do with computers (hard drives, memory, motherboards etc.) its Pantip but you really need to know what you want. There are some good bargains to be found but a lot of the hardware is not as modern as some Europe or American based sellers. Software of all kinds is available on the same level as the food court mostly, but buyer beware (this is Bangkok after all) and the touts selling porn are really annoying. For anything to do with phones, MBK beats Pantip easily.
Oldharry
[QUOTE=Bunky;1623285]I love to shop for electronic gadgets and helpful software when I'm in Bangkok, so I very much enjoyed the pointer. Sounds like Pantip Plaza is similar to the MBK Center, where I have had good luck purchasing, let's call it, "discount software."
I was wondering if Mr. Bumpo, or anybody else for that matter, could compare the shopping experience at Pantip Plaza with MBK Center. Are there certain items that are better to purchase at one place compared to the other?
Bunky[/QUOTE]Involved.
For electronics and computers, Pantip is the better option IMHO. MBK is rather helter skelter when you are looking for something, and although there are electronics (probably concentrated towards cell phones, although there are also camera shops, some computer offerings, and so forth) Pantip has a lot more. I have gone there to get my laptop memory upgraded (took about 5 minutes to purchase and have the seller install); for computer cables, camera batteries, and so forth. Although I don't have the information to price compare, I would be very surprised if prices at MBK beat those at Pantip. I also sometimes find the "walking around" experience at MBK a bit frenetic with all the people and the narrow aisles and so forth. Pantip less so.
In any event, Pantip is worth a trip just to look around if nothing else.
[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1623341]Involved.
For electronics and computers, Pantip is the better option IMHO. MBK is rather helter skelter when you are looking for something, and although there are electronics (probably concentrated towards cell phones, although there are also camera shops, some computer offerings, and so forth) Pantip has a lot more. I have gone there to get my laptop memory upgraded (took about 5 minutes to purchase and have the seller install); for computer cables, camera batteries, and so forth. Although I don't have the information to price compare, I would be very surprised if prices at MBK beat those at Pantip. I also sometimes find the "walking around" experience at MBK a bit frenetic with all the people and the narrow aisles and so forth. Pantip less so.
In any event, Pantip is worth a trip just to look around if nothing else.[/QUOTE]Panthip is a butt-kicking. Go to Fortune Town. You will find just about everything you would find at Panthip, and you don't have to hassle with the crowds. It is right at the Rama IX MRT stop as well. Bonus- Head right across the street to Central Rama IX for some food and to gaze at women.
[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1623341]Involved. . .
[/QUOTE]I don't know how "Involved" ended up at the beginning of my last post. Must have been some bad editing or cutting / pasting. It should not have been there. Sorry about that.
[QUOTE=Dkooau;1623248]Has anyone tried this girl?
[URL]http://reenabangkokescort.com[/URL]
Any reviews??[/QUOTE]In Gallery, last 2 pics appear to show after the enhancement implants have been done, looking a little ridiculous. Earlier pics, the tits looked better (natural). If you like footballs, great.
[QUOTE=Dkooau;1623248]Has anyone tried this girl?
[URL]http://reenabangkokescort.com[/URL]
Any reviews??[/QUOTE]A little internet search finds that she advertises on other independent escort sites as well. I don't know her but it all looks rather amateurish.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1623367]Panthip is a butt-kicking. Go to Fortune Town. You will find just about everything you would find at Panthip, and you don't have to hassle with the crowds. It is right at the Rama IX MRT stop as well. Bonus- Head right across the street to Central Rama IX for some food and to gaze at women.[/QUOTE]I have also had good luck at Fortune Town. And if you are in the mood for a little boom boom after your shopping experience, Amsterdam is close by.
First off, allow me to pass on my praise for Scorcher's report. Very well written, informative, and entertaining. Reports like this make it worthwhile to RTFF. I had limited time (3 days) and limited opportunity traveling with work colleagues, so I mixed advice for my trip from various sources.
My first evening, a Monday, I went to get measured for a suit at Nana; great excuse to break away from colleagues. My tailor has moved a few blocks to be close to the Skytrain, and from his shop, I couldn't find Nana Plaza, even though his old shop was right next door. After too much walking, decided to follow Scorcher to Nataree and hopped on MRT at rush hour for short ride up to Huay Kwang. Just the ride alone, squeezed into the car with all the beautiful Thai girls, was enough to get me started.
I got off the train at about 1900. Stepped into Emmanuelle for a peak but only 5 or so girls in the fishbowl, and none looked very good. Glad to know that better things might await me next door at Nataree. Well worth it. While there were only 5 or 6 choices in the fishbowl, there were about 30 sideliners, and it was very difficult to chose among the many pleasures. I went for a petite young thing that kept waving every time I glanced her way, since many of my other top picks seemed indifferent to my presence. There were several men helping with selections, but no pressure, and besides taking my order for water (tailor's beer was free) no requests that I buy him drinks or tips. He confirmed my choice saying she gave great head, and pointed me to the desk to pay the 2300 Baht for 90 minutes.
We went upstairs and started with bath. Much appreciated after long day in Thai heat and humidity. We skipped the soapy massage, and I wish I had asked. There were mattresses outside several rooms, and I'm sure she would have accommodated. I guess I was in too much of a hurry. After bath, moved to bed for very short BBBJ, with cover as end approached. I would rather skip covered BJ, so went straight to various positions, and enjoyed very much. (Some things should be left to your imagination.) She then gave me short massage, which I reciprocated. Sometimes, I would rather give a massage than get a mediocre one. Feeling her tiny, tight body in my hands got me ready for second round, and she was very helpful. I'm getting old and the second shot takes a lot of work, but she did her part. While Nataree could use a little updating, I have no complaints; she was great, and I got more than I expected. I look forward to my next visit. I would score the place 6 out of 10, and the girl, 8 out of 10.
Before leaving, I noticed that the sideliners had grown to almost 40 spread around the room, but still only 6 or 8 in the fishbowl. Had I had it in me, I would have stayed for another round. As I walked back to MRT, I did a little research for you all and stepped into Caesars, across the street. While the ambiance was a lot more upscale, there were only 6 older women in the fishbowl, and no sideliners. The place was empty, and I gladly walked out. I don't know how they stay in business with such excellent competition across the street.
The next day, I had my first suit fitting and really missed my soapy massage. I remembered the signs and recommendations for Dr. BJ's and the associated Dr. Nuru's, so found my way down the soi after a couple of gin and tonics at the tailor. There were much better looking women outside the other massage places, but I had ISG recommendations, so I kept walking. I'm glad I understood the difference be / w the nurses and the consultants at Dr. BJ's, but really didn't connect with either. The Mamasan explained the procedure, and it sounded like a lot of $$ for FS, especially knowing that Nataree was only a few train stops away. So I tried Dr. Nuru across the street. Nothing nearly as good as the best at Nataree, but I was tired, and was really curious about "Bangkok's only nuru massage". The Mamasan was pushing a really dark – skinned girl, and she was about the cutest of the 8, so I said ok, with low expectations. They were charging 2500 baht, and I was too tired to go anywhere else.
The room was very basic, and badly needed an update. No tub, and hand shower in the corner never really got hot even at low pressure. But, when she poured on the nuru lotion and started sliding her little tits across my back, my worries went away. The massage didn't last very long (my fault) and she went onto a covered BJ and FS. I enjoyed both, but disappointed that the 45 minutes approached too quickly. If you're in the neighborhood and too tired to go elsewhere, it is alright, but don't make it a destination. I would give the place a 4 out of 10 (too expensive for services offered) but the girl was 6 out of 10 – she did her job well, although the establishment limited her job.
After my final fitting, I finally found Nana Plaza. After dinner at a seafood place near Nana, I walked into Annie's for memories. Annie's was my first introduction to the sport over 12 years ago. I'm not sure if my standards have gone up or the choice has gone done, but very disappointing. I moved onto the Nana Plaza Bars.
I ducked into a few of the gogos, but was physically pulled into Casanova, one of the ladyboy shows. Yes, after a quick lady drink with one of the girls, I decided to lower my inhibitions, and we went to the hotel at the corner for a ST. I must say, she was the most enthusiastic of the trip, she was happy to do BBBJ, all the way to fruition, and that type of girl can't lie about her orgasm. I really wished I didn't have to work in the morning. She left me wanting more, though physically unable to do much. I had a couple of beers in different gogos, and then headed home.
The next day, I flew onto Cambodia, then to Laos and Vietnam. I'll post a Cambodia report in the correct forum, but no action in Lao or Vietnam, but problems on my side, not based on availability.
Dr. BJ's was first on my list of places to check out, as it was only 2 Soi down from my hotel. But a flight delay at NRT screwed me over and I didn't even get to check in until about 1 am. Total travel time was just under 23 hours. I walked over but the street was quiet and the place looked shuttered.
I went over the next day early afternoon and Nick presented the lineup to me. As many on the forum recommend, I went with the one who was beaming a smile and eyeball fucking me. It was W. Her picture on the website seems to be professional shots she had taken before her tenure at Dr BJ's.
Upstairs, I really like the washing up beforehand, because it's a mini handjob and for me it gets everything rigid and ready to go for the girl. They can do a lot more with a hard one from the start, and W. Was really talented. Lots of deep throat, spit and ball sucking were to be had. She's got a decent body and all exploring was welcome. After, she wanted LT but I wasn't ready to commit on my first full day in Bangkok. I'm glad I didn't because as expected, the jet lagged whipped my ass a few hours later. I told her I'the be back later, and to pick out a girl for her to double up with.
After sleeping for around 5 hours, I cleaned up and met W. Again around 10:30. She picked out one of the "glasses" girls who so happened to be her younger cousin, I found out later. As expected, they were very comfortable with each other and had no problems taking direction from me. Alternating between tag team and full-on double action, I made it about ten minutes before W. Took over to finish me off. I'm pretty sure the partner was X. , but it may have been H. She was really really good with technique, not too DT but sloppy and long strokes, no hand. She was more of a licker than a t-bagger, and they were close to meeting up mouths when W. Was manning the stick. It's too bad the next time I went in the partner was busy with another customer, or I would have repeated that experience for sure.
I would have liked to try out a few other girls there but I think W. Would have been expecting me to take her each time. That being said, I moved on to **** for the next two sessions with "Nam" which of course is all the girls' names at like every place. She's tall and skinny and looked to be 18, but probably is older. Upstairs at **** is merely partitioned love seats, illuminated by red stage light. Both times I visited I was the only one there. She took a lady drink (Fanta) the first time but not the second.
Nam is cute for sure and gives good effort in her BJ, but it was really nothing to write home about. She only takes the head and uses her hand for the rest. Even so, the technique was very effective and she added appropriate moans and slurps which greatly helped things. She looked cute under the very bright lights up there so I left happy and ready to repeat with her in the morning.
BTW, the girls at **** BK were way better looking than the one in Pattaya. And that's really not a compliment.
Thanks much to everybody who weighed in. As a two-week millionaire, I have to rely on the Old Asia Hands for detailed knowledge that comes only with experience.
[QUOTE=LA Guy 5]For electronics and computers, Pantip is the better option IMHO. MBK is rather helter skelter when you are looking for something. I also sometimes find the "walking around" experience at MBK a bit frenetic with all the people and the narrow aisles and so forth. Pantip less so.[/QUOTE]
The first few times I shopped at the MBK Center I didn't mind its haphazard arrangement. I enjoyed wandering the narrow aisles, getting jostled by the other patrons, never knowing what curious electro-gimcrack would turn up in the next stall. (For example, a cell phone that looked like it was built in 1985, but fully functional on the modern network.) I also like how tiny stalls selling food were interspersed among the stall hawking gadgets.
But the past few visits I was less enamored of MBK, which started to seem like nothing but crowds, chaos and confusion. As an infrequent patron I got lost easily and it was always a struggle to find that one good stall where I had found what I wanted two years ago. Finally, as others have noted, MBK emphasizes all things cell phone and that's not really something I'm interested in as a visitor.
I will definitely check out Pantip, especially now that I know I can combine electronic shopping with certain naughty boy pursuits.
Bunky
[QUOTE=ViajeroGringo;1623903]First off, allow me to pass on my praise for Scorcher's report. Very well written, informative, and entertaining. Reports like this make it worthwhile to RTFF. I had limited time (3 days) and limited opportunity traveling with work colleagues, so I mixed advice for my trip from various sources.
I ducked into a few of the gogos, but was physically pulled into Casanova, one of the ladyboy shows. Yes, after a quick lady drink with one of the girls, I decided to lower my inhibitions, and we went to the hotel at the corner for a ST. I must say, she was the most enthusiastic of the trip, she was happy to do BBBJ, all the way to fruition, and that type of girl can't lie about her orgasm. I really wished I didn't have to work in the morning. She left me wanting more, though physically unable to do much. I had a couple of beers in different gogos, and then headed home.
The next day, I flew onto Cambodia, then to Laos and Vietnam. I'll post a Cambodia report in the correct forum, but no action in Lao or Vietnam, but problems on my side, not based on availability.[/QUOTE]Good report ViajeroGringo.
I am not sure LB activities are condoned here, which I think is a litttle regressive for a community of professed sex hobbyists, but. The straight -and narrow- punters are the 'moral' majority, and that needs to be respected. Some guys won't even admit to a female giving them a prostrate massage, and it's a damn shame, because, man, that shit rocks your orgasm to another level, and Tom Byron is a fan, and John Stagliano, Joey Silvera, all porn legends, are freaks of note too. IMHO there really is nothing wrong with it. The Romans were into all this crossover shit big time, and they were no panty-waists either. Anyway, thanks for the report, and if you do want to explore further there are some excellent sites devoted to BKKs finest looking 'ladies' (and awesome providers) with a twist, on google. Enjoy.
Day 29 Thursday March 27,2014 Bangkok Day 13 (Semi Monogamy) Part 2:
After my EZ 1 massage I went back to the hotel and relaxed for an hour by the pool. Upon returning to my room, I found a text message from M telling me that her "Insurin" friend was back in town and wondering if I wanted to have BBQ dinner with them. I called her back and we agreed on Family BBQ near her apartment in about an hour, so I got my shit together and took a taxi over to Ramkhamhaeng. M said she had a surprise for me.
When I arrived at the restaurant, M was already seated at a table and I saw someone had ordered a small bottle of Whiskey and tonic water. M is not a whiskey girl and I dislike most whiskey except good Scotch so I wondered who could have ordered the booze. I said Hello, to M and I sat down at the table. M tells me that she does not have to show up for "Insurin" training until 10 am the next day so she can stay out late.
A short time later someone comes up from behind and starts hugging me. It is G! That was M's surprise; G was back in town! And she is very happy to see me again. G is another member of the entourage, a former Baccara dancer, who recently married her Canadian customer around 6 months ago and has since "quit" the business. Ha Ha Ha. She missed M's birthday party because she has been back home living in Isaan since getting hitched. M had showed me pictures of the wedding. M, Be, P, and De were all bridesmaids. G was in BKK now to arrange a visa to join her husband in Canada. I always liked G. She is a super friendly girl and exudes sensuality with every breath. While she is not a beauty, there is always something about her that is sexually charged and very attractive. She is a natural born guy magnate. She has a very sexy smile and I am sure she has made many customers happy over the years.
I ordered a beer and the girls started to cook our meal at the table. A short time later P gets out of a taxi and joins us. She is feeling much better now, thank you, her tummy is ok and she is famished. Another 20 minutes goes by and guess who, De joins the party and the gang is all here, except Be. Unfortunately, I did not see much of her this trip.
The dinner party goes on and on. The girls keep bringing more food to cook. I really don't know where these Thai girls can put all the food they eat: shrimp, various shell fish by the dozens, chicken, beef, pork, vegetables, hot, hot som tam with tarantula 555, and so much more. And we keep drinking all the while too. So dinner turned out to be a fun gathering.
Towards the end of our meal, the girl's favorite soap comes on Restaurant TV, I think it is called "Not with My Husband" or something like that and it is hysterical. The girls love to laugh and curse with every new pitfall and tragedy that strikes the forlorn lovers. They love to hate the beautiful villainous Thai girl who perpetually tries to steal the naive husband away from the virtuous and innocent bride. I quickly settled the bill which was quite reasonable considering all the food and drink consumed. A commercial break comes on the TV and the girls run to M's apartment to see the show better from there.
Nn shows up having just finished her insurance job, the one M is training for. She stays in M's apartment when she is in BKK. So there I am again, lying on M's bed which is the only place in her apartment to sit with 5 girls laying all around me and taking care of me, doing their makeup, playing video games, texting, and of course watching "Not with My Husband". I love this stuff and being part of the entourage.
M asks me if I mind going to Baccara later to barfine her. Her mamasan has been on her case. She also says there is a nudie show there later. I pretend to ponder whether I want to barfine M or not. She faux hits my arm with her little fist and laughs. M then invites her straight friend, Nn, the "Insurin" girl, who has never been to Baccara to join the party. NN has never been to Cowboy and wants to see the place. I privately advise M that it is probably not a good idea to invite her straight friend to Baccara to see what goes on there, but my western logic seems lost on M. I also begin to wonder how and why Nn can hang around with all these Baccara working girls since she is married and working a straight job. M later explains to me that all these girls know each other from Isaan since childhood and they all went to school together and grew up in the same small town. AH! That explains a lot especially the close knit supportive group structure these girls have with one another. So after the soap ends on another cliffhanger with the evil girl having just given the idiot husband a mickey so she can climb into bed with him and they can be caught later together in a compromising situation by the good wife; we all go downstairs and pile into a taxi headed for Baccara.
The Baccara Party:
We arrived at Soi Cowboy and I watched with amusement the look on Nn's face as she takes in all of Cowboy and then Baccara itself. She looks a little amazed and lost, but she is with friends. At Baccara the friendly fat waitresses can't find enough space for our posse on the ground floor so we go upstairs. In the back there is some room on a you-shaped couch in the corner, but we must share part of the space with 3 Japanese guys. The look on their faces when they saw our entourage consisting of a sole American punter, your humble narrator, with 5 girls was priceless. One Japanese guy's jaw seemed to drop to the floor. 555. It was very funny. To keep things lively, I ordered a round of Tequila for everybody except M and Nn who preferred beer and ice. Because G was in the entourage making a rare visit back to Baccara since getting married, many girls kept coming to our table to say Hello. G is not only popular with customers, but she also has a lot of friends here as well. After a 2nd round of Tequilas, the fat waitress came by to tell us that two tables had been found down on the 1st floor and we moved the party down there right in front of the stage.
After we settled into our front row seats, I looked over and saw Nn was transfixed by all she saw, but there was no sign of looking down on it, disapproval, or disdain from her. She was just amazed. G leaned over to me and pointed out a girl dancing in a corner of stage all by herself in front of a mirror. G gave me one of her sultry / sexy smiles and said she thought that girl was REALLY SEXY. Although this girl was not my type, I could see what G was talking about. The girl was dancing very erotically as opposed to all the other girls on stage that were merely doing the Baccara shuffle. G became fixated on the dancing girl and told me she was really turned on by that girl. I didn't know what to make of her admission. Was G really serious and turned on or what? I don't know, but then G turned around and bought the girl, with G's own money, 2 shots of Tequila, essentially barfining the sexy dancer. The dancer smiled at G and knocked back both shots while she was still on stage. G approached the dancer and they start talking very privately.
Meanwhile M apparently not aware of what G is up to, was sitting on my lap, sipping her beer and occasionally giving me a kiss. Aey2010 spotted me with my entourage and gave me another one of her sexy "invite me over too looks", but I shook my head and pantomime, "CAN NOT maybe later" and she nodded her head and smiled. After her set, G's sexy dancer came over to where we were all sitting and she and G are fast at it in a private close together conversation. All this is going on while scores of dancers are shuffling on stage and drinking with customers in booths and tables, right in front of "Insurin" girl, who still has this semi-permanent amazed and amused look on her face. I laugh to myself. It is all too much! I love BKK. I ordered another round of drinks for everybody including G's new girlfriend and the fat waitress. The mamasan came by to say Hello, and I buy her a drink too. The mamasan knows me and occasionally it is smart to pay her respect by buying her a drink. I want her to give M as much leeway as possible while I am still in town.
Then the hour strikes and it is time for the 2nd nudie show of the evening and a little choreographed entertainment. The show ends at around 1:30 am. M whispers in my ear that she wants to boom boom. So I ask the fat waitress for the bill. Oops, I am short of funds, but my Capital One Visa card is in my wallet. I never leave home without it. 555. It features 2% points back and no FX transaction fees. M and I take our leave and say goodbye. Everybody is having a real good time and thanks me for making it happen. No problem girls. It was my pleasure.
Back at the hotel, M is like a little tiger tonight. We fool around in the shower and then I dry off and I lay down on top of the bed buck naked. M comes into the bedroom with a towel wrapped around her body. She throws me a big smile and yanks the towel off with one thrust. Then she gives me her SZZZZZZZZZ hot sign as she touches her finger to her ass, and dives on top of me in bed. We start kissing and then she starts cat licking her way down to my dick where she stops and gives me a very passionate BBBJ. Then she gets on top and impales herself on my dick. When I am completely inside her, she says, and I swear this is true; "Mak, you so big tonight!" and we get going into some great cowgirl. For some reason I am really into her tonight, more than usual, and after M exhausts herself on top, I roll her over and finish her off with some missionary work.
After boom boom M says again that I was "real big tonight. " I still don't know what to make of that. Maybe she meant I was really turned on tonight and particularly passionate which was certainly true. But then she startles me by asking, "Have you been to "massager" today? Is that why you so big?" and I say, "No baby". And she says, "What you do today?" And I respond, "I just walk around and swim in pool. " And she looks me close up, straight in the eyes, and says, "Sure?" and I reply, "Sure" and that was the end of that line of conversation. It's uncanny, though, that she hit the nail right on the head. She was right. Hot P from EZ 1 really wound me up good today. That prostrate massage and shag was downright stimulating, but I still don't know what to make about M asking if I got a 'massager" today. Was it just a lucky guess, a blind coincidence, or was I spotted by one of her friends on Soi 24 today? Who knows?
It was around 3:30 am when I escorted M down to the lobby and she got a taxi to go home. According to her, she had "Insurin" training at 10 am this morning so not to worry. LOL. She will get up a 9 am. She waves as the taxi takes her away and I go back up to my room, swill down a can of coke light, and pass out on my bed. I think this was one of my best days in BKK so far this trip with the EZ massage with P in the afternoon, dinner BBQ with the girls, the party at Baccara, and really great sex with M to cap it all off. And I still had two more days in the big Mango before my 3 day getaway in Pattaya.
Day 30 Friday March 28,2014 Bangkok Day 14 (Semi Monogamy):
EZ 1:
It was a quiet morning. I had my morning skinny double latte and an almond croissant at the pastry shop inside the Marriott Thonglor. My desire to see P again got stronger as the morning went along. I wondered if she could top her performance of the previous afternoon or if things could become a little more GFE the 2nd time. So by around 2 pm, I couldn't hold out any longer and I went back early to EZ1. P was not there however, but the receptionist said she would be there around 4. There were only 3 other girls to choose from at this time. One girl, I forget her name was attractive, but I wanted P. So the hostess suggested I make a reservation for 3 pm and she called P to confirm.
I left EZ 1, caught the BTS to the Terminal 21 mall, and had some good noodle soap and a mango smoothie for lunch at the food court. I returned to EZ1 around 2:50 pm and P was waiting for me. She smiled and off we went. P seemed a little more friendly this time in the shower and I soaped her up and we body massaged each other. After she thoroughly cleaned me and dried me off, I laid down on the bed naked and waited for P to come to bed. She then joined me and asked what I wanted. I said everything. I want you and she gave me a knowing faint smile.
She began with a back massage and then front massage like yesterday. I just relaxed and let her do her thing knowing that the good stuff was coming. She then asked if I wanted a body to body massage and I said yes. Her technique was very good. She made long slow circular movements with her body which allowed me to kiss her neck and lips every time she completed her circular trip. Then she sat up and began to give me her amazing thigh massage (oily HJ). Again this was one of the highlights of being with this girl. She really knows how to give pleasure to a cock with her hands and slowly, very slowly, she inserted her finger into my a-hole while still caressing my dick with her other hand. Like yesterday she almost took me to orgasm, but I held off and said it was time for boom boom.
She got on top and inserted my dick into her vagina again like yesterday. And it felt great. At some point I sat up and we started to have sitting position sex. Now some girls are not that good at this position. They don't know what to do and leave it up to the man, but P is great at it. She knows just where to sit and how to move. I looked down and could see my dick going in and out of her pussy. It was a great ride and it really turned me on. After a while, I gently laid P on her back and finished her off in mish. It was a great session, although very similar to yesterday's one. Maybe it was my fault for not requesting something new when P asked what I wanted at the beginning of the session. Not that I am complaining, but I think P is probably capable of a lot more. I look forward to exploring new territory with her when I return to BKK next year. I do not think of my two sessions with P as a GFE, although P was friendly and she definitely aimed to please, she was also reserved and somewhat quiet. Thus my sessions with her seemed to be more technically designed and excellently performed choreography. She is not a wild girl, but she is very good at what she does. This might not please everyone, but I enjoyed my time with her a lot and I think there may be more Kama Sutra-esque ways to explore with this girl. Afterwards, we showered and I took some more pictures. P is reserved about nude photography. I think next time I may take her for an outcall and see what happens. I tipped her 300 bt for her excellent service. I told her I was leaving BKK for few days, but I would try to look her up again when I came back to town.
It was around 4:45 pm when I got back to my hotel, too late for an afternoon swim because M had called and left a message saying she was getting off work soon and she wondered if it was ok if she came by my hotel right after she was done with her "Insurin" training. I called her back and told her to come on by. Then I worked on some emails in the intervening time.
Semi Monogamy:
M arrived around 5:45 pm and we sat in the living room sipping fresh juice and talked about many things including the crazy night we had at Baccara. I brought up G's attraction to one of the dancers, but M maintained that nothing was going on with G and the sexy dancer, but I begged to differ. I pointed out to M that G had bought the two drinks for the girl and how "beautiful" (her words, not mine) G had described the girl to me. I then asked M if G loved her new Canadian husband and her answer was priceless. M said, "G loves her husband (pause) a little bit. " Then she smiled and gestured how much she thought G loved her new husband with her forefinger and thumb spaced about an inch and a half apart. 555. I laughed. But M quickly added that the new husband had given an appropriate sin sod to the family for his bride and paid all the family debts, so they considered him a good catch. Outstanding! I could not of have said it better.
Now M had been planning an outing for us and her friends on Saturday to go to fishing in the country. Apparently the girls knew of some beautiful natural park outside of BKK where there was a lake with boats to rent, cold beer to drink, and lots of food to eat. A Thai country picnic with 5 girls sounded like a lot of fun and I was kind of looking forward to this excursion, but unfortunately M now told me that she could not go fishing this Saturday because of another "Insurin" workshop. She really wanted to go and was thinking of playing hooky and cutting out of her apprenticeship work schedule, but I advised her not to do that. I cautioned her that she has put a lot of time and effort into getting this new job, but she has not yet been hired, so it is very important that she do everything they want now. Her insurance friend, and had told her pretty much the same thing, so M decided to go to work and not go fishing.
P and G have both told M that they can pick me up tomorrow morning and take me with them if I still want to go fishing without M. It sounds interesting, but I play the boyfriend and tell M no, I will stay in BKK and not go to the country with the girls. I tell M to thank them for the offer, but I would rather stay in town and see her as soon as she gets off work. M smiles. I have said the right thing. I am such a good man! LOL.
Now it is my turn to lower the boom and tell M something she did not know. She was under the impression that I was staying in BKK until April 6 when I fly to Macau. Actually I am leaving BKK Sunday for a 3 day getaway in Pattaya and then I will return and spend my last 3 nights in BKK. M has her own plans to visit her family on April 3 so that gives us only one last night together after I come back to BKK and it leaves me with 3 nights on my own, sans M, in the big Mango. This sounds real good to me by the way. Although I love my time with M, I am keenly away of the lost opportunities I have suffered as a result of my semi monogamy with her.
In any case, I tell M that I am leaving BKK and going to Ko Chang, not Pattaya, for 3 days. Yes, I am a deceiver. And double yes, there really is no reason why I choose to deceive M about Pattaya other than to keep the GFE fantasy whole. I definitely could have told her straight up I was going to Pattaya and she would have accepted it. She knows I fool around, I know she works in a Go Go, but like I said, my relation with her is partly a GFE fantasy which I enjoy greatly and so I try to keep it alive. At first M asks if she can come with me to Ko Chang. And I think that would not be a bad idea at any other time, if I were actually going Ko Chang or did not have hotel reservations in Pattaya. I will keep that in mind for my next trip. But, then M remembers she has more "Insurin" workshops, so she can't go and everything is settled.
Discussions over; M tells me she hasn't eaten all day and is very hungry. Yesterday she had mentioned she likes MK Suki style Chinese restaurants and I promised to take her to a very good one tonight; the MK Gold restaurant on Ekkamai. It is now around 6:30 so we head off to dinner. At MK Gold we discuss the large menu and I let M make most of the selections of herbs and greens. She asks if I want fish yes, beef or pork I say up to you, BBQ Duck yes, vegetables, mushrooms yes, yes and we have made our selection. The food items are brought to our table and M cooks our dinner. Her first job was working a food cart in Pattaya and she enjoys cooking for me. She always places a piece of meat or fish in my bowel first. Then I break it in two and place a piece in her bowel. Our Suki style dinner was great. MK Gold is a first class restaurant. The thecor is very stylish and all the food ingredients are top quality. M and I down two beers while enjoying our meal.
After dinner we walked back to the hotel for a little night time swim in the pool. We had the entire pool area completely to ourselves and we had a really good time playing around. It is a good thing we learned from our previous night's pool adventure and remembered to bring two hotel bathrobes with us because even though it is balmy at night in BKK, it feels cold when you get out of the warm pool all wet. M played some romantic Thai love songs on her cell phone and we lied together on one lounge chair. It was a good time.
We headed back up to my room, showered, and now it was massage time. M said she is not used to sitting at a desk and she really needed me to give her a solid back and neck massage which I am more than willing to do except that I can't help myself and I often let my hands wander over to her various erogenous zones to fondle her boobs or ass "American" massage style or I drop down to kiss her vagina or something else "American" and bad. It is a running joke between us and M always says "Mak, Thai massage, not "American" massage and I always respond by saying, "yes this is a Thai massage" as I continue to do something naughty to her and we both break out laughing. Then I go back to giving her a normal massage until the next time my hands wander.
After I finish M's massage, She gave me a back massage and even walked on my legs and lower back. I turned over on my back and we started making out. M slowly cat licked and kissed her way down to my dick and then she smoked me. I am too lazy tonight to reciprocate and go down on her. No matter. M is on fire and soon impales herself on my dick and off we go. She has an orgasm while riding me and then I rolled her over and finish up in mish.
Afterwards it is shower cleanup time and then we relax a little on the bed watching some TV. It is still early, but M tells me her sister is arriving in town tonight and she must go back to her apartment to let her in. It is 11:30 pm. I begin to put on my socks and shoes in order to escort M down to the lobby. Sometimes when I am just going to take her down to a taxi and I don't feel like going out, I just put on the house slippers, so noticing I am putting on socks and shoes this time, M asks, "why you put on shoes" and I tell her it is early and I don't feel like going to bed. She then asks, "Where you go?" and I say I don't know. To which she asks again with a wicked little smile "where you go, Baccara?" and I say no, I don't think so. Maybe I go Crazy House. And M says, "Why you go Crazy House? You want a girl?" And I say no. No more girls. I just want to get a drink and listen to music. So M again tries to steer me to Baccara and says, "the and P are at Baccara. You go Baccara. They take care of you" I say ok, maybe I go Baccara. Then M says and I love this, "if you want another lady, it ok, only take her to ST hotel, not here. OK?" And I assure her, no more ladies tonight. You my lady. I am such a gentleman! 555, but it is the truth more or less. Pammy and M are enough ladies for me today. I am not looking for another girl tonight. I just want to get a drink and do some scouting. So M is assured I am not going out looking for another lady and we kiss and joke around a little.
I escort her downstairs to get a taxi, but there are no free taxis. We wait a good 10 minutes in the Marriott lobby and nothing. Then we head out to Thonglor and Sukhumvit, a major intersection and wait another 10 minutes and still no free taxis. Meanwhile M has gotten two calls from her sister asking where she is. The sister does not have a key to the apartment. M tells her to go to Family BBQ restaurant across the street and get some food. M finally decides she can't wait any longer and reluctantly decides to take motorcycle taxi back home. We stand in cue on Thonglor for another few minutes and then her turn comes, we kiss, say good night and she is off.
I jump on the next available motorcycle taxi and go to Soi Cowboy. First I have a drink at Crazy House. I look around, but do not see A, the girl I barfined about a week ago, but I do like looking at some of the naked girls here. They have a couple of hot ones plus this is a lively bar. I finish my beer and move on to Shark. I don't see any girls here that interest me and the place is not as lively as Crazy House. Since Baccara is right next door to Shark, I walk over and see an attractive hostess girl sitting outside the bar. I order a beer and the girl comes over to say Hello,. She is very pretty; better looking than many of the dancers inside IMHO. Her name is Mae. She said she is 30. She spoke educated English. I offered her a drink and she ordered a whiskey and soda. We talked. She said she only worked in Baccara a short time to make ends meet. She says her sister owns a travel agency which operates guided tours throughout Thailand and she works there when business is good, but lately they have had some problems due to the demonstrations and the low volume of tourists. I looked at her closely; I liked what I saw, and imagined she would be a lot of fun on a trip to the hill country. Anyway, we had a couple drinks, I enjoyed her company, and she gave me her number for another time. And that was it. I called it a night.
Day 31 Saturday March 29,2014 Bangkok Day 15 (Semi Monogamy):
I took it real easy this morning, but around lunch time I decided it was time to go somewhere really great so I headed over to Bussaracum Restaurant in the Silom neighborhood. It is easy to get there. Just take the Silom BTS line to Surasak Station. Exit the station on the north side of Sathon Tai Road. Head west towards the river until you come to Soi Surasak, turn right going north until you come to the next side street which is Si Wiang and hang another right. Bussaracum is halfway down the block. Believe me it is worth the effort to come here if you love 5 star classical, gourmet, fine, Thai dining.
Lunch at the restaurant is informal and remarkably not very expensive considering the quality. I had the Larb Lanna Moo (northern style minced pork with mint and herbs), and a variation on Gaeng Kiew Waan Gai (green curry with chicken), a mango smoothie, and a bottle of water for 640 bt total. There is also a mini degustation menu or tasting menu available for lunch only which offers 6 various combinations of items off the main menu for 500 bt. It is a great option. This is one of my all-time favorite BKK restaurants. It is also a great place to take a girl on a date.
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After lunch I walked up Silom Road past what Prasri Maha Umathewee, a Hindu temple, all the way to Patpong. It was a good walk although I was soaked with perspiration by the time I reached the Silom station and caught a ride back to Thonglor. Once I got back home, I headed straight for the pool to cool off and relax.
Around 4 pm, M called and told me she had an "Insurin" dinner party which she had to attend and she could not see me until late. She also told me Soi Cowboy would be closed yet again for some reason. No big deal. I started thinking about going back to La Belle or possibly checking out Thermae or something.
I had a tasty cheap dinner at one of the Soi 38 food stalls. After dinner I went to Cowboy and indeed it was closed. It was too early for Thermae and I didn't really feel like going to Nana since it was almost a certainty it would be closed as well. So I walked around the T 21 mall and debated whether to go to La Belle. In the end I decided to take it easy tonight and head back to the hotel. I went up to the roof top bar where I had a couple of glasses of Oregon State Pinot Noir while I admired the skyline view. Frankly I didn't care if I got laid or not tonight.
Then around 11 pm, M called and asked, "What I do?" She was finished with her "Insurin" dinner and wanted to come over. I told her to come by and 30 minutes later she phoned that she was in the lobby. I picked her up and we went back upstairs where we watched "Dark Shadows" with Thai subtitles on the bed. It is a dumb movie, but funny in parts and we had a few laughs. We were both tired from the long day and sort of just laid on each other as we watched TV. After the movie we had a soapy shower and I massaged her pussy. Back on the bed I gave M a massage for a little while and then she massaged me. Pretty soon we started making out and then M went down to smoke me. I turned her around and we got into a 69 position. Then we boom boomed. Since I was leaving BKK for 3 days, M wanted to spend the night. We fell asleep in each other's arms.
I woke up early the next day with a hard on. M was still wrapped around me. I pressed my woodie against her thigh and gave her few light kisses. She looked up at me through half closed eyes, smiled, and yawned. She turned on her side holding my arm around her breasts and then opened her leg slightly. My dick was now in contact with her vagina and it just slid right in.
Afterwards we had a couple more hours of sleep until we both woke up and had to face the day. It was around 10 am when we finally got around to taking a shower together. Down at the pastry shop I bought M a chocolate croissant and tea while I had a cinnamon muffin and double shot skinny latte. I told M that I would text her later after I get settled in my new hotel. She asked me to be a good boy. 555. I told her no problem. I would be good. Then we said goodbye until we meet again in 3 days. I saw her off in a taxi and I went back upstairs to pack. I had VR Taxi Private Limousine service scheduled to pick me up at noon to take me to Pattaya that gem by the sea. I was really looking forward to the next 3 days.
Note: I will continue the trip report in the Pattaya Forum.
Day 35 Wednesday April 2, 2014 Back in BKK Day 1:
Mr. Keuk's female driver was waiting for me when I checked out of my hotel at around 11 am. The drive to BKK was uneventful and I slept most of the way. For the night's lodging I had applied my Chase Marriott Visa card's anniversary voucher and checked into the Renaissance Hotel gratis. I was given an upgraded room on the top floor because of my gold member status with Marriott. The Renaissance is a very upscale modern hotel in the Siam Square Ratchaprasong neighborhood. I like everything about this hotel except its location which isn't quite conducive to my usual nighttime activities. However it is only two BTS stops away from Nana, one BTS stop from Patpong in the other direction, next door to Spasso, and right across the street from Mixx, so I enjoy, what has become for the past 3 years, my annual free night here.
My room was not ready yet so I had lunch at Renaissance restaurant on the 2nd floor. After my suitcase was delivered to my room I went out and fooled around in the neighborhood. At around 3 pm, I called M and told her I was back in town. She was happy to hear from me and asked if I had a good time in Ko Chang. I told her I had a good time, but that I missed her. She said she missed me too. She said she was at her "Insurin" job until 6 pm and we made a date to meet at Baccara around 8 pm. I spent the rest of the afternoon relaxing up at the pool.
Around 8 pm I headed to Cowboy. M texted me that she was stuck in a taxi in traffic and was approximately 20 minutes away. To kill a little time I went to Suzi Wongs. I bought a coke light and spotted a sexy little spinner with an amazing body. As soon as I saw Mn dancing topless on stage, and she smiled at me, it was love at first sight on my part and I knew I wanted her! There was no question about it. Mn was an absolute knockout. She was easily the most attractive girl I had ever seen in Suzi Wong. She had a beautiful face, a killer spinner body, fabulous small round ta ta's, and my initial impression was that she seemed to have an equally nice warm personality. She flashed me a big smile and I invited her over for a drink. She said she was from Cambodia. She reminded me a little of Vin, the Oasis hostess girl I had romanced earlier in my trip in Phnom Penh. (I will post my Phnom Penh trip report shortly.) Both girls had a similar look although I think Mn was even hotter.
We talked a little and she had an upbeat friendly personality. She asked if I wanted to barfine her. I said yes, but then explained my situation. Mn smiled coyly and suggested we go upstairs for a quickie. I was really tempted, but with M due to arrive in just minutes; I knew I just couldn't get away with it and so I had to man up and act responsibly. I tried to make a date with Mn for Thursday night, but she told me that she was off Thursday and Friday. What a drag. I really wanted this girl and I was leaving BKK early Sunday morning for Macau. That left open only Saturday night for a possible rendezvous. It did not look good. Anyway, I told Mn I would come back to see her Saturday. Her knowing smile conveyed an awareness that sometimes things just don't work out the way you want and she was right. It was not to be. So Mn sadly is the #1 girl of my entire trip that got away. Black Hair from Sensations Go Go in Pattaya and the Vietnamese girl from the Alexis Hotel in Jakarta are the #2 and #3 girls that got away this trip.
A fellow highly respected BKK punter knows Mn well and after talking to him privately I confirmed that his Nn is the same sweet girl I perchance met this night. I am not at liberty to post a photo of her, but believe me guys; she is super sexy and is the epitome of the type of girl I go for. I wouldn't have spent the last 3 paragraphs talking about this girl; if she were not really hot and I did not hugely regret not having her. She is a very popular girl at SW and not often available. I had my chance, but our stars were not aligned, maybe next year.
Anyway 30 minutes had gone by and I texted M to find out where she was and she replied she was still in taxi, so I headed over to Crazy House to kill some more time. I like some of the CH girls a lot. I did not see my former lover, but there were plenty of smiling girls to take her place. The Mama saw me sitting alone and tried to fix me up with a young red head, but I politely declined the invitation. Crazy House is a great bar IMHO. M finally called and asked where I was. She said she was standing on Soi 23 outside the 7/11. I walked out of Crazy House and I immediately saw her standing directly across the Soi. She saw me too and gave me a naughty smile. It was nice to see her again. We kissed Hello, and she asked me coyly, "what you do in NEW BAR?" That's the name she calls Crazy House, New Bar. I told her I was just having a drink and waiting for her. She asked me if there are a lot of girls in there and I told her not as many as Baccara, but they have some sexy topless girls there.
M asked if it was ok we go to Baccara and get a drink. This meant a barfine tonight, but I am a nice guy and did not object. We ordered two beers. M looked beautiful tonight. She was late because she went home after work to clean up and put on a new dress for me. Baccara was only half full. M suggested this was because it was a Wednesday night and it was still kind of early. But I think it was a sign that tourist numbers are way down because of the political situation. M said that none of her friends were coming to the bar tonight.
I asked her if she was hungry and she said politely, a little bit. After a brief discussion over where to go, we decided on the Love Scene, where else? And over dinner, M told me that her mother was coming to BKK tomorrow and staying at M's studio apartment (sharing her bed) for the next few days, so tonight was maybe going to be our last night together. M said she would try to see me later, but she couldn't be sure if that was possible. I joked around that she should introduce me to mom and I would take them both to dinner. M shook her head back and forth and gave me one of her "you crazy American looks". I continued to rib her about this asking her, "why don't you want mother to meet me?" 555, but truth be told, I had no desire to meet the family. I am very happy with our little P4 P GFE relationship and I do not want to make it any more real than it is. But M's reluctance to introduce me to her mother shows the mindset of a Thai family that is in total denial about what their youngest precious daughter is doing in BKK and how she is able to support herself in a nice apartment in a middle class neighborhood, have nice dresses, clothes, expensive makeup, and send money home regularly to support the entire family, all without a university degree and a steady job. All M would say to me on this is, "not time to tell ma. " Ha Ha.
So tonight was possibly our last night together. M wanted to make it festive so after dinner we stopped off at the 7/11 and stocked up on snacks, a small bottle of Absolut Raspberry Vodka, and some cans of Sprite before we headed back to the Renaissance Hotel. We got back to my room just in time to watch the concluding episode of "Not With My Husband" where finally the two main characters patch things up and get back together, but not before the wife throws her wedding ring into a field of sugar cane a couple times. But finally she forgives her husband for a season of near miss infidelities, was there any doubt, and accepts his pledge of undying love. It was the worst episode of the season and so cliched and sugary sweet, but the actress playing the wife was definitely hot. (I would love to shag her.) And still at the end of the show and the series, the TV audience does not get to see the long suffering star crossed lovers kiss. Kissing on the lips is not allowed on Thai TV, so all the husband is allowed to do is kiss his wife on the forehead and all she can do is look up at him real lovey dovey devoted like. And that was final scene. The end! I asked M why they no boom boom and she laughed and said I was an American bad boy.
After the show, we showered and then we boom boomed, that's for sure. M was funny, passionate and really great tonight. We had a lengthy soapy shower session. Afterwards M pulled one of her boom bada boom gags while walking into the bedroom and dropping her towel in front of me. I Daty'd her until she came and then she smoked me. She got on top and rode me passionately until she collapsed on top of me after her 2nd orgasm. I rolled her over and finished her up in missionary. It felt good to be with her again. I do like this girl. I may have paid a great deal in lost opportunities with many friendly hot BKK girls this trip by spending so much time with M, but the sex with her is really great. It is so personal and passionate. At this point in the relationship I feel she is holding nothing back during sex and it seems to be getting better every year I see her. She is a great girl. We talked a little about next year. I may take her to Ko Lipe or Chiang Rai. We will see.
It was around 12:30 am when we cleaned up and took another shower together. M said she had to get up at 8 am for her "Insurin" job. She said she was a little tired from waking up so early every day. She said she didn't want to leave, but she really needed to go back to her apartment to get some sleep. I don't know how long she can keep it up; I mean work at Baccara at night or stay out late with her friends and work her "Insurin" job during the day. I wish her the best.
Anyway we drank the last of the Absolut Vodka and then we said goodbye with hugs and kisses. M looked a little sad. She said she would try to get away from mother to see me, but she hinted that it did not seem too likely. That was ok with me. I had an historic great time with her this trip and I am looking forward to seeing her again in 2015, but at the moment I was also looking forward to a few days in BKK on my own. My Thailand chapter was almost over and there were a ton of girls that needed attending to.
I saw M off in a taxi and we waived goodbye at each other. I immediately headed over to the Hyatt Hotel and Spasso Bar right around the corner. It was a Wednesday night, a relatively slow night, but as soon as I entered the bar; I was hit with inviting looks from just about every available girl in the place. They all gave me that "I am here for you" look and many of the girls looked pretty good all dressed up in their fashionable evening dresses. That's why I like Spasso. You get to select from a different class of Thai girl, the Hi-So Freelance girl that you don't really find in too many other places. These girls are generally older than Go Go girls and they seem to be from a higher, better educated, class. Their rates are expensive. ST is 4000 bt and LT is 5000 bt and up. I generally hit this bar once a trip and it is the reason I have been staying for free at the Renaissance one night for each of the past 3 years. All the girls I have taken from Spasso have been real nice and are GFE oriented. They usually stay till 3 or 4 am with the ST plan. I imagine some of these girls have international sponsors. The girl I was with last year showed me pictures of her condominium. It looked really great with a built in bar, expensive wood paneling, and modern lighting. I was impressed.
There was a pretty good crowd for a Wednesday with about twice as many girls as guys. I walked around the bar and checked out the talent. I saw 3 or 4 very friendly girls that seemed pretty intriguing. I ordered a coke light (200 bt) and sat down at the bar. The band came on and they were not bad. Some girls were dancing alone and others were with guys. Spasso reminds me very much of Bats at the Shangri La in Jakarta and Brix Bar at the Hyatt in Singapore. I think Brix has the best looking girls. Many of the customers in Spasso were wearing sport coats, but I felt comfortable in my Polo T-shirt and jeans. I was continually recieving amorous glances from a number of attractive well-dressed girls sitting by themselves at the bar and in booths alongside the bar. After a while I could not take it any longer. I mean either it was time to pick up a girl and go for another round or let it go.
And as much as I would have liked to have made the acquaintance of one of these girls on any other night, I just did not feel the desire to do so tonight. I stayed for one more drink and until the band got going again. Then I left. I will go back next year for sure. I even decided not to walk across the street and check out Mixx which stays open all night. Instead I headed back to the Renaissance. It was around 1:30 am. I watched a little TV and fell asleep. It felt good to be back in BKK. Lots of pretty girls! Pattaya who?
Day 36 Thursday April 3, 2014 Back in BKK Day 2:
In the morning I moved from the Renaissance to the Radisson Suites Hotel on Soi 13. My 65 sq meter 1 bedroom suite was roomy and comfortable. For $59/ night, I consider it a real bargain. The suite featured a decent size living room with an office area off to the side, a separate galley kitchen, a modern bath room and dressing area, and a good size bedroom. The hotel's red surface roof top pool was relaxing and peaceful, although the red concrete color is an unusual choice for a swimming pool surface. There was a small convenient bar in the patio area next to the pool. The Radisson Hotel staff were very friendly and courteous, so all in all, I think this is a pretty good 3. 5* to 4* hotel at a great price. My only criticism is that the view from my room was less than spectacular being that it looked out on a parking lot and another apartment building off in the distance. Also, location wise Soi 13 is not my favorite Soi, but it offers easy access to Soi 11 through the Ambassador Arcade and otherwise it is a fast walking commute to Sukhumvit.
One more thing about the Radisson: it is part of the Carlson Hotel Group. I had around 22,000 pts with Carlson from a stay I previously had at their Amsterdam hotel a while back. Before leaving on this trip, Carlson had offered me their signature Visa credit card with an 80,000 pt signing bonus. So after my stay at the Radisson Suites this trip my cumulative point level was over 130,000 pts. Consequently, I have booked 4 free nights at their new Radisson Blu Hotel on 489 Sukhumvit near Soi 27. The Radisson Blu is a higher class hotel than the Radisson Suites and I am looking forward to giving the Blu a try in 2015.
I had lunch at Monsoon Restaurant on Soi 8 where I had an interesting conversation with one of the waitresses. She was a reasonably attractive 42 year old Chinese / Thai gal and she gave me a startling condensed history of her life story which included time in a Burmese jail for sapphire smuggling and watching her best friend die of Malaria in that same prison, then buying her freedom with all the money she had in the world, breaking up with her American boyfriend, taking care of their 12 year old son, and her dream of setting up her own Thailand tourist agency and the obstacles she faced in doing it.
It sounds like a real soap opera when I list all these events here, but she sang her story in an interesting and convincing way. I liked her and I wasn't sure if she was hitting on me or not and if she wanted me to ask her out on a date. Like I said, she was fairly good looking for 42. We got on the subject of the goings on around Soi 8 and the rest of Sukhumvit and she exclaimed that everybody here was crazy, both the Thai girls and the tourists. She said Farangs were constantly hitting on her like she was a prostitute and she did not like that. I reminded her of where we were, but I added that any male tourists that assumed all Thai girls in lower Sukhumvit were P4 P were ignorant and she shouldn't hold that against all western men. I decided not to ask her out though. She was interesting and smart, but there were just too many younger fish in the sea and I don't mind paying for them. Ha Ha. I gave her a 100 bt tip in any case because she was interesting, broke, and reasonably attractive.
After lunch I relaxed by the red pool on top of the Radisson Suites. M called. She said mother was in town and she could not see me tonight. No problemo. It gave me the opportunity to do some of the things I had been missing.
Around 8 pm I walked over to Suzie Wong to see if by any chance Mn was around. She said she was not going to work on Thursday, but I was hoping she might be here anyway. I did not see her, so I inquired about her and the mama confirmed that Mn was off tonight and probably Friday night too. Damn, I really wanted to hook up with this girl. But that is life and I decided the next best thing was to take the MRT over to Phetchaburi and go visit La Belle Soapy Massage parlor as a consolation prize.
I had two recent sessions with "De" class La Belle girls that I really liked. J was a really sexy girl I met in 2013 and P was the girl I met on March 20 this trip, who needed extra clitoral stimulation. Go back to read my report on her; what a girl! She was great. In any case, I did not spot either girl on this visit. One of the hosts or papasans, Mr. Ting, came over and said Hello,. He escorted me to a table and chair in front of the fishbowl stage. At first he tried to steer me towards a tall girl with silly cones in the "S" class, but I was not attracted to her. He had recommended a similar looking silly cone girl the last time I was here. Realizing his mistake, he then recommended a smaller, cuter girl who was also in the "S" class, but by this time, I had noticed a very pretty little darling sitting by the bar to our right, who was looking and smiling at me. I immediately liked her look and the way she smiled which conveyed to me her message; "I like you and I want you to pick me. " Well, I did not even wait for my coke light to arrive. I told Mr. Ting that I wanted E and he called her over. E was all smiles and she extended her hand to me as we met and said Hello,. My coke came and she carried it over to the cashier's desk. E was a "P" class girl, ouch, and the charge for her services came to 5000 bt or 4000 bt plus the obnoxious 1000 bt Farang tax.
After I paid my bill with a credit card, E took me upstairs. In the room we got better acquainted. E was a natural darling and a very good kisser. I asked her if she wanted a drink and she ordered coconut water. As we waited for the Jacuzzi to fill, we continued to make out and I snapped a few pictures. E was ok with a photo shoot, but she insisted on "clean" photos only. I showed her the pics and she objected to one picture that included the Jacuzzi in the background. She asked me to delete it which I did.
We disrobed when the tub was full. E had a beautiful 22 year old body with perfect round breasts and a sculpted small ass. She took her time in the Jacuzzi and cleaned me gently, but thoroughly all over while we occasionally kissed. Then she started to give me a wet BJ in the tub and arranged her body so that her pussy was easy touching distant from my hand. As my fingers found her, she encouraged me to massage her pussy. It was all very erotic. At first I just lightly touched her outer lips with my hand, but pretty soon I was massaging her entire pussy and she seemed to love it. I placed my third finger on her bum hole and wrapped the rest of my hand around her pussy. Because of her upright position in the water and the water pressure, her pussy lips seemed dramatically well defined and my hand wandered all over and around them.
This mutual hand stimulation went on for a very long time. Then E moved up on my body and started to massage her pussy on the shaft of my dick. This was a great move on her part. Sometimes I perform a similar technique on my girls in bed. There is no penetration, but the pussy lips hold onto and caress the side of the penis while cradling it. It feels great for both parties. It is not like humping. The pussy and the dick are mutually massaging each other. I was very turned on and thinking naughty thoughts. I picked E up and positioned her a couple centimeters higher on my body in the Jacuzzi so that I might penetrate her on her next move, but she softly said, "Condom Please, Maak" and I, being a gentleman held back. In my experience, sometimes the girl does not say "condom please" and the pussy massage becomes a bareback shag. I was hoping for a bareback shag in the Jacuzzi, but I was not let down by E's legitimate request. She gave me the best Jacuzzi soapy massage I have ever had in BKK!
So we toweled off and headed to bed where we started off slow again with DFK'ing and caresses. Pretty soon E went down on me and started to smoke me and give me a simultaneous HJ. And just like P, my pervious La Belle girl, E positioned her pussy open face and within easy arm's length, just begging me to massage her there, which of course I did. So E was blowing me and I was massaging her pussy like we were initially doing in the Jacuzzi. I was very hard. Her pussy was now very close to my head, so I asked her if she wanted me to kiss it. She said it was up to me. I said no it's up to you and with that she straddled my head and presented her little box to my lips. I went down town on her and licked her all over. She became extremely wet while she continued to give me an excellent BBBJ. I love 69'ing beautiful fresh girls. This went on for a very long time. In fact, I don't recall ever having a 69 go on as long as this one did with any other massage parlor or sauna girl.
Eventually E turned around and said she wanted me. I said I wanted her too. So she reached for a condom on the nightstand and put it on my dick using only her mouth. Then she got on top and impaled herself on my dick. Her pussy felt great and I palmed her beautiful round breasts as she rode me. In this position physically, E reminded me a little of M, only E is a couple inches taller and a lot younger. In any case, she was just fantastic! All too soon I began to feel my orgasm building and I told E I was going to cum. She responded passionately to this and went wild. I tried to hold off as long as possible, but it was impossible to prolong my pleasure any longer and I shot off a load. E collapsed on top of me and we stayed in this embrace until my dick shrunk down out of her pussy.
Next E cleaned me off and we went back to holding each other closely and kissing occasionally. It was then time for a cleanup shower. After we dried off, we sat next to one another on the couch. We exchanged phone numbers and I told E that I would call her. She said, "Please do not forget me. " I think I have heard that line a couple times this trip. 555. I told her I would never forget her. Then as we were just about finished putting on our clothes; the phone rang indicating my time was up. Before we left the room, I tipped E 500 bt. She was worth it and more. This was one of the best soapy sessions I have ever had. That's 2 for 2 for La Belle this trip. P, my previous La Belle soapy girl gave me a great session too, although not quite as amazing as this one. Yeah, looking back, I have to say that this first time with E was definitely one of the top 3 experiences of my entire trip, not counting special times with M which belong in another category altogether. This was a great night and E is an extraordinary girl.
I think I have to give La Belle high ratings too. The elegant ambiance of the lounge area and the high quality of their rooms is outstanding. But more importantly, 95% of the girls I have met here were real friendly and gave me very good sessions. Is it just a coincidence that both girls I had on this trip presented their pussy's to me for stimulation and encouraged me to massage their twats and DATY them? Possibly, but a far more likely scenario is these sideline girls have been trained to give excellent service which includes clitoral stimulation. I don't know what the answer is, but as long as I continue to receive 10 out 10 * service like this from such good looking girls, I will continue to rate La Belle as the finest soapy in BKK!
E and I made out in the elevator down to the main floor. She asked if I wanted to see her tomorrow. I told her I might be busy tomorrow, but I would text her later and we would arrange something. She escorted me back to the lounge area where we said our formal goodbyes. She then went to the girl's makeup room and I lingered for a while in the lounge checking out the girls on the fishbowl stage and a few new sideline girls sitting by the bar.
It was around 11:30 pm. The Soi 11 nightlife scene was just beginning to get underway. Many massage girls from the Ambassador Arcade shops were out on the Soi trying to get a last customer. Climax was open and the first few customers were trickling in. I stopped off for a beer and saw a few friendly potential girls. It was early for Climax, but late for me. I just didn't have any more power left for another session. I walked back to the Radisson saying good night to a few massage girls as I passed by their small shops in the Ambassador Arcade. I watched a little TV and fell asleep before 1 am.
[QUOTE=TitiTigas;1612659]Found it here: [URL]http://www.bangkok-beat.com/[/URL], and it sounds great for my purposes (bringing my Filipina GF and gradually introducing her to harder and harder scenes). Thanks very much![/QUOTE]G'day all. First post after reading extensively and not being able to find a solid answer to my question. The thing is that I am looking for any hints as to where to go to in order to find couples massage I BKK. Yes. I have seen to earlier replies, but the thing is that I am lucky to have a 100% bi sexual wife who happens to be very attractive and she likes attractive women with large breasts.
Now. We have been travelling to BKK several times as we are lucky enough to live in Asia (originally from Europe) and I have sent countless emails to multitude of MP asking I they offer W2 W massage with additions and frankly only one has been successfully, Dream Heaven 33. We've gone there on couple of occasions but even they have only one Lady that is comfortable with the said meeting: Giftzy. She would seam to be a real bi herself, but with all sympathy to her; she is far from the ideal my wife is looking for and additionally, she'd really like to try something new the next time we come to BKK. Around 12.2014.
So in a nutshell. I do not take my wife through the steps of W2 W gradually and on the contrary; am looking for any information anybody could share on where to find guaranteed W2 W FS for a very attractive, mid 20's' Caucasian Lady where the massage would be only a potential add-on to the meeting.
We also know addresses like Eden Club but what we really are looking for is a Lady that would be experienced in this kind of meetings and would draw pleasure from it in opposition to simply working and pretending. The ideal would be non MP contact with a correct type of person but probably this is not realistic to expect, so any information on any MPs' (nuru / oil. No soap) and / or clubs with 'high probability' of meeting the described person would be highly appreciated.
We also would like to see some show this time around in BKK. Earlier either no time or the warnings in connection to Patpong has kept us out from these areas. I have read in several posts about Suzie Wong and the shows there. Based on the description higher, would this be a place the more experienced persons on the forum would suggest for us? Would a couple entering the venue create any major consternation with staff or any issues? Is the place 'honest' in regards to the consumption vs. Bill etc. ?
Any and all suggestions, recommendations and advise welcomed.
[QUOTE=EouroCouple;1625566]G'day all. First post after reading extensively and not being able to find a solid answer to my question.
Any and all suggestions, recommendations and advise welcomed.[/QUOTE]There are several resident experts that might be willing to offer their assistance via pm. So first suggestion is to buy a subscription to send / receive PM. Then take a look back at some posts to see if you can identify those who are regulars to bars or oilies.
[QUOTE=EouroCouple;1625566]We also would like to see some show this time around in BKK. Earlier either no time or the warnings in connection to Patpong has kept us out from these areas. I have read in several posts about Suzie Wong and the shows there. Based on the description higher, would this be a place the more experienced persons on the forum would suggest for us? Would a couple entering the venue create any major consternation with staff or any issues? Is the place 'honest' in regards to the consumption vs. Bill etc. ?
Any and all suggestions, recommendations and advise welcomed.[/QUOTE]Suzie Wong is my favourite agogo club in Bangkok. I never had any issues there with "padding" the tab. Suzie Wong indeed has a number of entertaining shows. The show where girls are painted with fluorescent paint by a local artist is most lovely. There is a "soapie" show and ever so often a lesbian show. Whether these are real lesbians (or rather bi-sexuals) I do not know. Most probably the mamasan(s) will know and can help you. The atmosphere in Suzie Wong is really friendly. No hustling for ladydrinks.
Bringing your wife to Suzie Wong will be no problem at all. I have seen this happen many times. If a couple comes to Suzie Wong they will have to be a bit more active to grab the attention of the girls as the girls will assume you are already "taken" and no longer a prime target for them. As I said above, ask the mamasan to help you and you should be OK or be outgoing and call your favourite dancer to your table.
Day 37 Friday April 4, 2014 Back in BKK Day 3:
During the day I received a few calls from M and a couple of texts from E. M called to say she missed me and to tell me her mother was still in BKK and she could not come see me tonight. E texted wanting to know if I wanted to see her today. It was nice to hear M's cheerful voice, but she was no longer my focus because of her conflicting family obligations. E was another story. I really wanted to see her again and replicate our amazing session, but I was concerned that two nights in a row might lessen the impact and not be optimal. I wanted our next get together to be just as great as our first night so I texted her that I could not see her tonight, but I that I was looking forward to seeing her Saturday. E texted back that Saturday was fine and asked that I call her tomorrow to firm up the time. I texted back that I would call her tomorrow and added that I really missed her and couldn't stop thinking of her yada yada yada.
So I hit Soi Cowboy solo this night. I started off at Suzie Wong in the vain hope I would see Mn. The waitress knew without my asking who I was looking for and came up to me and said Mn not coming in tonight. I bought a coke light and stayed long enough to check out the rest of the girls. Although there were a few likely candidates, no girl really hit me like I had to have her, so after I finished my coke I took off.
Next I walked over to Crazy House where I met a couple of really sexy girls. It was a very unusual pickup, but after everything was sorted out, I ended up barfining the right girl and had a great time. Here is what happened:
CH was in full swing when I arrived. I found a seat in the middle of the bar and ordered a Singha. The naked set of dancers was on stage. Oddly it was only on my first night in CH that I saw the 3 superstar naked spinners. They were gorgeous in every way. Still, there were a number of very attractive girls on stage and I was scoping them out to see which one I liked and which one showed an interest in me. As if she was reading my mind, a very pretty blond girl wearing glasses, I am a sucker for girls that wear glasses, and sporting a killer body squatted down right in front of me exposing her beautiful pussy not a foot away. I nodded my approval and she stood back up giving me a sexy knowing smile. A short time later she turned around and squatted again, this time exposing her beautiful little bum hole to me not a foot away. I palmed her ass and when she turned around I invited her over for a drink. I was sold.
After her set Tang Mo came down and joined me. She insinuated herself between my legs and semi sat on my lap. I ordered a round of Tequilas and we started getting acquainted. Tang Mo said she was from Chiang Mai and 24. I put my arm around her as we watched some of the other girls on stage. A young girl dancing seductively in front of us was trying to attract a Korean customer's attention with no apparent luck as he remained a little cold and distant. It was funny because I thought the way the young girl was acting and dancing was very sexy. Tang Mo introduced me to the girl and said they were good friends. Little Mee gave me a very naughty smile and I bought another round of Tequilas including a shot for Mee. She drank it down while she was still dancing on stage and then she squatted and lifted up her little bikini bottom giving me a private look at her pussy. Her group of dancers was partially clothed. After her dance set Mee joined Tang Mo and me. The mama came by and spoke to Tang Mo. Tang Mo nodded and then told me she had to talk to another girl on the far side of the bar for a minute or two. She asked me not to leave the bar and said she would be right back.
Now I was alone with tempting little Mee. Mee spoke only so so English. She said she was 19. Now she was definitely not as attractive (beautiful) as Tang Mo, her friend, but there was something erotically naughty and provocative about the way Mee acted that really turned me on and convinced me that she would be the better playmate. I looked across the bar and saw Tang Mo talking to another girl. She saw me and smiled. Mee snuggled in close between my legs and started rubbing my cock. I put my arm around her, I thought about it for a second, and then I started kissing her. Mee unzipped my jeans and I felt her hand wander around inside until she found my dick. Then she began to give me a hand job. I placed my hand underneath her little bottom covering and began to massage her pussy which was already wet. At some point I asked Mee if she wanted to go ST with me. She said yes and gave me a deep French kiss.
After a while Tang Mo rejoined us. She was not mad about what was going on between Mee and me. In fact she seemed quite pleased that we had hit it off. She told me privately that Mee was a good girl. I bought another round of Tequila for the three of us. Mee asked if I wanted her to change clothes now and I said yes. The Mama came over and thanked me for barfining Mee. Tang Mo continued to take good care of me until Mee returned. I said goodbye to her and escorted my little 19 year old outside.
The first taxi driver tried to extort me with a 100 bt fixed fee. I hate that. I don't think he would of tried that BS if I were not with a girl. The next driver though was honest and turned on his meter. Mee and I made out in the back of the taxi the whole 7 or 8 minutes it took to drive to the Radisson Suites on Soi 13. The fare came to only 40 bt or something. I gave the driver 80 bt because he was honest and didn't try to take advantage of the situation just because I was with a girl.
Mee sat down on the couch in the living room and I made us two Vodka and sprites. We watched a little TV and made out. Then it was soapy shower time. She cleaned my dick and balls thoroughly while I played with her pussy and then I soapy body massaged her. In bed we made out some more and then Mee smoked me. She applied a condom and I began shagging her in the missionary position. Everything was going fine but then, after about 10 minutes in mish, I started to lose my hard on. I am not exactly sure of the reason. I think it was probably a combination of too many Tequilas, sex every night since I can't remember when, and quite possibly it was on account of my last session with E being so spectacular that I had become jaded with just ordinary everyday good time sex with a happy, sexy 19 year old Thai girl. I don't know, but I was ok with it. I pulled out and tore off the condom. Mee looked up and seemed concerned. I told her everything was ok and she could finish me off with a smoke.
At this point I was sitting on my knees in front of Mee on the bed. Mee leaned forward and smoked me for a while until I was hard again. Then she grabbed my cock, leaned back, and started masturbating her clit with it. I can't recall any girl ever doing that to me before. I was caught up in the immediacy of the action, but this move surprised me. She was using the head of my dick like a dildo to stimulate her clitoris. I looked down at what she was doing and it really turned me on!
Mee was turning herself on as well and she was getting more randy by the minute. My Buddha, what the hell is going on with these BKK girls? I knew there was something erotic about Mee by the way she moved and related to me in the bar, but this was amazing. It was kind of similar to E's pussy lip massage, but Mee's actions were more directly focused. She wanted to get off! Plain and simple and I loved what she was now doing. And then, oops! Mee got a little carried away with it and my head popped into her vagina. We both looked at each other for a second and hesitated. Mee queried, "Condom?" and I said, "no need". And then she opened up wide and I went all the way in.
Whatever lethargy or loss of libido / sexual drive I thought I had before was gone. Mee had supercharged my batteries and I now let her have it. Of course the added feelings and sensations from barebacking her plus the risk element only added to the feeling of pleasure I was receiving and fortunately I lasted a long time. After mish I rolled her over and she performed a little cowgirl. Then Mee spun around and gave me a reverse cowgirl ride. Finally I rose up partially with the souls of my feet firmly on the bed and I took her from behind doggie style until the end.
Afterwards we lay together a long time until we both recovered and then we showered together. She asked if I wanted her to stay LT and I told her I was too tired tonight. I gave Mee an extra big tip (500 bt) for being so nice and sexy. Then I warned her about barebacking. I told her I was ok, but she had to be careful with other customers. Condom only and she nodded, the little minx. We both got dressed and I took her down to Soi 13 in front of the hotel. We said our goodbyes and kissed. Mee waived nonstop until the taxi took her out of view. What a nice little girl.
I walked over to Soi 11 and had a Vodka and ice with a lemon twist at Bash across from the Grand President Hotel. There was a boat load of nicely dressed girls ready for takeout. I just admired the scenery and ordered a final nightcap.
I knew then I was sure going to miss BKK! I would have loved hooking up with Mee again and possibly arranging a menage with Tang Mo, but tomorrow, Saturday was my last night in town and I wanted to see E one more time and maybe afterwards check to see if Mn was back at work at Suzi Wong. The next stop on Sunday was Macau. Look Out!
Day 38 Saturday April 5, 2014 Back in BKK Day 4 (Last Night):
I took a long nostalgic walk around an upper Sukhumvit residential neighborhood this morning. On my way back I stopped off at Bharani on Soi 23 for a bowl of their beef boat noodle soup. You can't go wrong with this tasty dish for 80 bt. Then for desert I dropped by I Wane 1975 around the corner for one of their red bean pastry buns. From there it was straight back to the Radisson and up to the red pool to cool off.
Starting sometime around 1 pm, E and I began texting back and forth the rest of the afternoon. It was decided that I would drop by La Belle at 7 pm to see her. I received her last text as I was walking through La Belle's parking lot and approaching the front door. It was 7 pm exactly. I immediately called her back and told where I was. She said she was in the dressing area and she would come out to greet me in the lounge.
I spotted her pretty face as soon as I got off the escalator and entered the main lounge area. She lit up a big smile as soon as she saw me. We sat down on one of the couches and I ordered a coke light for me and coconut water for her. We held hands and talked for a little while. Mr. Ting came by and welcomed me back. He smiled as he said something about E and me being a good looking couple. Ha Ha! I tipped him 100 bt for remembering us and treating me good. E then escorted me arm in arm to the cashier's desk where I settled the bill and then we strolled to the elevator.
This session was similar to our first one, but it seemed more relaxed and intimate. E was amazing again in the Jacuzzi as she massaged my dick between her pussy lips. In bed, we Frenched and pleasured each other for a good while. Then she moved down 180 degrees so we could 69. I made out with her beautiful fresh pussy for a long time and then while enjoying a close up view of her pretty little two toned bum hole, I couldn't resist and gave it a long slow kiss. Usually I can't hold out too long when I am doing this sort of thing with fresh, young, pretty Asian girls and sure enough I started to feel an orgasm coming on. I reluctantly had to ask E to stop what she was doing down below and come on up topside.
She condomed me and then she impaled herself on my dick. Her cowgirl was just fantastic. E really knows how to make every sensual move count. I palmed her small round breasts as I matched her movements. I looked up and I could see our reflection in the large ceiling mirror. After 10 to 15 minutes of bliss, I sat up so we could do each other in the sitting position. I loved looking down seeing my dick go in and out of her vagina while making out with her from time to time. Finally, I gently picked her up and laid her on her back so I could finish her off in mish.
We managed to go into overtime and the phone rang while we were still going at it. E said there was no rush and I completed our sexual union in a natural way. Afterwards we laid side by side and cuddled for a while. Then it was time to shower and we quickly got dressed. I told E that I was leaving for Macau tomorrow and she seemed a little sad to hear I was leaving. I was sad too. I really liked this girl and would have liked to have seen more of her especially on the outside on a date or something. We exchanged E-mail addresses and have been in semiweekly contact since I left BKK. She might be another M in the making. Who knows? I will have to see how it goes next time I am in BKK when I see her again.
E and I passionately made out in the elevator on the way down to the 2nd floor. She took my hand as we walked to the lounge area where we said our formal goodbyes. After she left, I hung around a little while checking out the girls. There were probably 40 girls or more on the stage (the fishbowl) and another 6 or 7 models to the side by the bar. Although a majority of the girls were not exactly my type, there was at least 7 to 10 high caliber, very sexy, hot girls that definitely were my type. So based on the quality and diversity of the girls plus the level of service they have almost always given me, La Belle remains my favorite soapy massage parlor in BKK. In truth, only a few Macau Saunas and possibly a couple of Bordellos in Jakarta can match or top the experience IMHO.
After my session with E, I had a feeling of closure I. E. That this BKK trip was over. I certainly had a great time here. I don't remember when the girls were better, friendlier, or more revved up. I just wish I could have done more of them. 555! But, I was tired after my session at La Belle and I did not even feel like stopping by Cowboy to see if Mn was back at Suzy Wong's or to say goodbye to my entourage at Baccara. M's mother was still staying at M's apartment tonight so Wednesday night turned out to be our last time together. I spoke to M later in the evening and I asked her to say goodbye to everyone for me and to tell them I would miss them all.
I walked from the Asok MRT station to Soi 11. I stopped off one last time at Jue Jue's rolling food cart for dinner and then I went back to my hotel. Even the massage girls in the Ambassador Arcade seemed to sense I was done and a few just said Hi to me as I walked past their shops not even asking me if I wanted a massage. It was around midnight. My wakeup call was scheduled for 4:30 am. Bye Bye BKK. See you next year.
P.S. My trip report will continue in the Macau forum, but I will also simultaneously post my Singapore and Phnom Penh trip reports that I chronologically skipped over in my haste to post my BKK report. Singapore has a very healthy and robust P4 P scene. A lot of people do not know that about Singapore. So I think my Singapore report will be interesting and informative. Phnom Penh is a city in transition. The nightlife scene there is undergoing many changes. I believe my Phnom Penh trip report will be very controversial on the ISG. Some BM's are not going to like it. Ha Ha. But I had a real good time and that's what counts.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1625831]Suzie Wong is my favourite agogo club in Bangkok. I never had any issues there with "padding" the tab. Suzie Wong indeed has a number of entertaining shows. The show where girls are painted with fluorescent paint by a local artist is most lovely. There is a "soapie" show and ever so often a lesbian show. Whether these are real lesbians (or rather bi-sexuals) I do not know. Most probably the mamasan(s) will know and can help you. The atmosphere in Suzie Wong is really friendly. No hustling for ladydrinks.
Bringing your wife to Suzie Wong will be no problem at all. I have seen this happen many times. If a couple comes to Suzie Wong they will have to be a bit more active to grab the attention of the girls as the girls will assume you are already "taken" and no longer a prime target for them. As I said above, ask the mamasan to help you and you should be OK or be outgoing and call your favourite dancer to your table.[/QUOTE]Much appreciated. I was hoping to read something similar. So at least one 'milestone' can be ticked off from the trip plan The schedule of shows etc. I will google. If there still would be any guidelines in connection to oilies it would be simply perfect.
Cheers!
Natty,
I want to thank you for your well written, entertaining reports. It is trip reports like yours that make me want to visit ISG everyday.
[QUOTE=EouroCouple;1626007]Much appreciated. I was hoping to read something similar. So at least one 'milestone' can be ticked off from the trip plan The schedule of shows etc. I will google. If there still would be any guidelines in connection to oilies it would be simply perfect.
Cheers![/QUOTE]I remember seeing inside the bar their URL posted on the wall. But it was far from obvious and I failed to write it down. Googling "Suzie Wong Bangkok" did not find it. They have a facebook page: look for "Suzie Wong Agogo, Soi Cowboy" on FB.
Anyhow, the shows start around 10 PM, before that there are only girls doing the Bangkok Shuffle on stage. Suzie Wong is one of the few agogo clubs where all dancing is done in the nude.
saturday, 27 september.
it has been an expensive day, or just another normal day in bangkok. not waiting to end my trip and posting the reports live, as and when i find the time. since sleep eludes me after an extremely satisfying session, rather than making a few notes this time, i decided to post a short report (apologies if it is too long for those that do not enjoy such reports).
[b]arrival[/b]
after taking a graveyard shift flight from new delhi to suvarnabhumi on thai airways (i was trying this airline for the first time and i have only good things to say for it, the airline crew is definitely worth a look and the blanket and pillow make the trip comfortable), sailed through immigration and hopped onto a taxi for mac boutique on soi 7, the usual place. i am a little under the weather and i was already tired after several hectic work days and therefore had decided that i will take it light in bangkok today and make up on the mongering in pattaya. i caught shut eye for 2 hours, met up with fellow isg member with whom i make these trips and we decided to find some grub.
a quick bite to eat at kinnaree restaurant on soi 11, we take the bts to get currency changed. my usual choice for currency exchanges is super rich in rajdamri, but we got off at chitlom and checked out unite change (per recommendation from mr. nb). i found them offering usd at 32.10 and super rich on their website listed 32.23. so i called them to check up and turns out over the weekends the branch closes at 4. 30 pm. it was already 5 pm. i was getting a decent rate on inr, so changed more than enough to last two days. but after the days proceedings, i do not have any thb left (as you will see).
went around to big c to generally browse for stuff, and specifically looking for the sagami original 0. 01, but managed to find only 0. 02. picked one up just to try it out, more on that later.
[b]som's haven[/b]
fellow isg member made me walk up and down asok to thong lor since he was hoping to take out a girl from either tulip or mango for the entire night (our plan to visit sk would have to wait). the line-up at mango at 7 pm this evening was very tempting but i wasn't feeling in the mood for pse. after a quick rate check, we moved onto to tulip where they refused to let the girl do an outcall lt, they were however fine with sending any of their girls to the hotel for 2 hours. i am sure regulars at this establishment manage to get the girls to do lt. we just weren't there yet.
so after all the walking around, i needed to unload. fellow isg member is a regular at som's and i was yet to try the place out. the line-up wasn't particularly attractive, although once i finished i did see a couple of good lookers emerge. i just went along with the first chic that approached, i am weak in that sense. anyways, i was here to see good skill at work and not get head from a stunner. som offered us some pomegranate that she had just peeled and we had some with a beer. while i went up with the girl by my side, my friend decided to skip a bj today, instead he played around with the girls in the lobby. i got a decent bj, which started off with washing the tool, then a bit of ball licking. when she moved onto the shaft, i looked up and read a message on the wall which suggested that patrons will be charged extra if they exceed 30-40 minutes, however, customer services is their number 1 priority. well i took a very long time to cum and the girl got tired after around 20 minutes, sometimes, just sometimes, a bj is not enough to get me off. experienced this today. she offered to end with a handie, i declined, told her to keep at it. after a while, i got frustrated, took matters into my own hands and brought her mouth onto over the shaft when it was time to cum. a good thb 800 spent (beer included), girl was tipped thb 200.
after som's we were passing by yolo, and i managed to get a glimpse of the tv and it appears i had completely forgotten that there was a derby premier league match on the telly. so we stopped there for a few of their beverages and food. watched the match, which had a satisfying end, paid the bin. i suggested that my friend go into mango and take his pick and i was not one to take a massage girl long time without having tried her first, too much risk. i got a half hour foot massage on soi 24 while i think (but can't be sure) but my friend must have snagged his catch. i woke up with a start to a heavy lady telling me who gave an intense rub down to my feet for thb 200 that the massage was over. i glanced into my phone and realised it was getting late and i should hit cowboy before all the good stuff had been picked apart.
[b]cowboy[/b]
now i was under the impression that this was low season with high season soon approaching (nov) onwards. the last two times that i visited this year (may and july) were really slow times for cowboy ago-gos. this time, however, sc was pumping with life and almost all the go-gos appeared to be full up with patrons. i had noted down the arab owned bars and steered clear of them all, which kind of takes away half of sc from the hunting grounds. i quickly went into suzie wong, the line up was decent but not that great. several girls around and several punters. i quite like sw because they have never denied me entry on account of my ethnicity and they put up some good shows. i had reached too late. all the body paint shows etc end by 10 pm apparently. nevertheless, there seemed to be an energy to the place. i had run up a bill of thb 1,300 on lady drinks and had gotten close to bar fining one of the sisters of the waitresses there. the mms being the sharp cookie extracted a drink for herself as well, but i didn't mind, i had sensed it at the time that i won't be saving any money that night. i promised the girl that i would come back and i didn't quite want to exit sc within half an hour of arrival. instead of wheeling into bacarra which is my usual spot, i thought to try crazy house (i tried to reason in my mind over a smoke), last time i tried to go into ch, i wasn't allowed in. anyways, may be it was just my lucky day, i walked into ch. the place has an odd structure and i believe a first floor as well, with a glass ceiling separating the two. i didn't bother going upstairs, there was a lot of eye candy on the ground. the place did have quite a few stunners as has been pointed out by other punters, but no one seemed to have all the ratios right. some were extremely pretty but did not have the adequate cup size to pique my interest. so i just enjoyed the electronic music, went into another drink buying spree. i do not drink much now, i had one shot at sw and one shot at ch, followed by coke. the girls were free to get high on my dime, the preference i noted was for tequila (and not the weird lady drinks in round glasses).
i got comfortable in fondling a girl named pew and she was pretty little thing with natural b cups. the chemistry seemed to be right, with indications of kissing as well. after her set ended i asked for a bar fine. i was informed that the standard bar fine at ch is 700 and the girl wanted st 2,500. i had managed to get her down to 2,000, and i wasn't negotiating or anything, i just looked horrified, the price was reduced automatically. when it was time to seal the deal, mms was called over, she indeed runs a tight ship. i was informed, that like bacarra, the girls all have a standard bar fine and standard st rates, so i would be required to pay thb 2,500. the strange part was that she wanted all the money in advance. i was a little surprised, i told the mms if the girl pulls a runner? she assured me and also berated the girl in advance (in thai) that she should not do anything of the kind. with the amount of drinks that i had purchased during the evening, i realised i was short of funds and could only pay the bar fine and the bin which was thb 1,080. i had thb 100 left for taxi. so pew and i set off for soi 7, my hotel, during the journey i was informed that she was a laotian and not from nong khai as earlier informed. she hardly spoke english, but was a good sport, at least the girl wanted to make the night special for me. after a mix up with the cabbie, we walked from soi 11 to soi 7 and i promised pew a massage back in the room. i told her to disrobe immediately once inside the room so that i could get the massage out of the way. her pussy just looked too inviting, and i set myself down for daty. it had been a while since i had eaten and the daty was enjoyable for me, and had her writhing all over the bed with my moving along. after daty, we moved to the shower, where we played around some more. after coming out of the shower, and some more daty, she pushed me down and mounted me in cowgirl. she was incredibly tight (and for a 24 year old just unreal). i had to maneouvre around a bit to get her comfortable. soon we moved to missionary where she was making loud moans, just short of screaming, i wonder how of it was fake though. whatever be the case, she knew how to give a good time. did doggie for a while and repeated all three positions again. the tightness of the pussy just didn't go away and after the condom finally slipped off while withdrawing, i could see that she was in a little pain, her pussy was hurting. i decided that i had had enough boom-boom for the night and so had she. we had initially decided to go dancing afterwards, but she had had 10 tequila shots during her shift and was clearly still woozy. so we just ended things with exchanging numbers and line ids. she told me that she didn't enjoy this line of work and would be going back to laos within 10 days and if i could i should try and catch up with her again upon returning from pattaya. i think i will repeat her, i have been a butterfly long enough, but i guess one cannot plan these things while in los.
now for some sleep, pattaya awaits my arrival tomorrow. i have blurred the pictures, but i guess, you guys get the idea. the first picture is of pew sitting next to me after boom-boom and making a face that her pussy hurt and the second picture is of wa deep throating me at som's.
now to get to some self-medication to get back to 100% health wise. hoping for a quiet and monger free day in bangkok is just not possible, it truly still remains a candy shop for the discerning.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1626147]I remember seeing inside the bar their URL posted on the wall. But it was far from obvious and I failed to write it down. Googling "Suzie Wong Bangkok" did not find it. They have a facebook page: look for "Suzie Wong Agogo, Soi Cowboy" on FB.
Anyhow, the shows start around 10 PM, before that there are only girls doing the Bangkok Shuffle on stage. Suzie Wong is one of the few agogo clubs where all dancing is done in the nude.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that. The information search from the net IS proving to be a challenge. I simply am not able to find any solid data on the times of the shows. Either "before 22:00" or "from 22:00". Would anybody have any more specific data on this subject? Or is the solution simply to go not long after opening hour and sit through till at least 22:00? I was sure this place would have a solid web page to get all relevant data from and / or a lot of information in general in the internet, but there simply is not much available. Without recommendations from this forum I'd not even 1) know much about the place, 2) consider it to be a 'stop' during our trip to BKK. We'd simply not want to miss out on the shows that looks to be twice each evening.
Does anybody have any information on the Ladies that are performing the LES act that I have read about? Real thing (doubtful) or just an act (probable)?
Still no recommendations on MP that would be happy to service Ladies?
[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1626251]Saturday, 27 September.
It has been an expensive day, or just another normal day in Bangkok. Not waiting to end my trip and posting the reports live, as and when I find the time. Since sleep eludes me after an extremely satisfying session, rather than making a few notes this time, I decided to post a short report (apologies if it is too long for those that do not enjoy such reports).
[B]Arrival[/B]
After taking a graveyard shift flight from New Delhi to Suvarnabhumi on Thai Airways (I was trying this airline for the first time and I have only good things to say for it, the airline crew is definitely worth a look and the blanket and pillow make the trip comfortable), sailed through immigration and hopped onto a taxi for Mac Boutique on soi 7, the usual place. I am a little under the weather and I was already tired after several hectic work days and therefore had decided that I will take it light in Bangkok today and make up on the mongering in Pattaya. I caught shut eye for 2 hours, met up with fellow ISG member with whom I make these trips and we decided to find some grub...[/QUOTE]A very detailed FR of the good time spent in the land of sin. Wish you many more of the happy mongering days of your trip bro.
Let the reports keep trickling in between your busy schedule.
[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1626251]Saturday, 27 September.
It has been an expensive day, or just another normal day in Bangkok. Not waiting to end my trip and posting the reports live, as and when I find the time. Since sleep eludes me after an extremely satisfying session, rather than making a few notes this time, I decided to post a short report (apologies if it is too long for those that do not enjoy such reports).
[/QUOTE]Nice report. I look forward to the day when I can post stories such as yours. I used to post long stories of my fun at the local AMP's. But I haven't gone to one again for for months.
I will wait until I go to the LOS in the next year.
[QUOTE=EouroCouple;1626337]
Still no recommendations on MP that would be happy to service Ladies?[/QUOTE]Have you seen [URL]butterflybangkok.com[/URL]? They had an ad on [URL]backpage.com[/URL]. They have couples massage with 2 masseueses.
[QUOTE=EouroCouple;1626337]Thanks for that. The information search from the net IS proving to be a challenge. I simply am not able to find any solid data on the times of the shows. Either "before 22:00" or "from 22:00". Would anybody have any more specific data on this subject? Or is the solution simply to go not long after opening hour and sit through till at least 22:00? I was sure this place would have a solid web page to get all relevant data from and / or a lot of information in general in the internet, but there simply is not much available. Without recommendations from this forum I'd not even 1) know much about the place, 2) consider it to be a 'stop' during our trip to BKK. We'd simply not want to miss out on the shows that looks to be twice each evening.
Does anybody have any information on the Ladies that are performing the LES act that I have read about? Real thing (doubtful) or just an act (probable)?
Still no recommendations on MP that would be happy to service Ladies?[/QUOTE]Look just show up at 9:45 PM at Suzie Wong, have a little patience and you will okay For the Lesbian show. Consider getting seats by the stage for all the mouth watering action. Don't show up too late as all the best seats maybe taken.
Mostly its a show, but girls are fairly used to doing it. Dtom reckons she is expert at pussy licking and Bo who shows up occasionally is a real bi-sexual (I've seen pics of her GF) and enjoys girls for real, even telling me which girls she had the hots for. I have seen the show countless times and often arrange my own private sessions with two girls from the lesbian show.
[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1626251] All the body paint shows etc end by 10 pm apparently. Nevertheless, there seemed to be an energy to the place. I had run up a bill of THB 1,300 on lady drinks and had gotten close to bar fining one of the sisters of the waitresses there. [/QUOTE]Nope, this is not correct unless radical changes have occurred in last 4 weeks. Long time ago Suzie shows started around 9:30 PM but the time slipped back as patrons did not seem to attend early enough. The first shows rarely start much before 10 PM and if place is busy, there will be a 2nd round of shows later on maybe close to midnight. Body paint is one of the minor shows. I wonder if you get confused with Crazy House whose shows may start a bit earlier, perhaps, or if you were really at Suzie at 11 PM?
[QUOTE=PapaeNoel;1626540]Have you seen [URL]butterflybangkok.com[/URL]? They had an ad on [URL]backpage.com[/URL]. They have couples massage with 2 masseueses.[/QUOTE]Have you tried this service? Do you recommend it? I mean, I would not touch this, being outcall only, girls sight unseen, and so few girls on the web site. I might be too cautious or pessimistic, but what is the attraction here?
[QUOTE]Still no recommendations on MP that would be happy to service Ladies?[/QUOTE]My GF works in a MP and she likes to please ladies alot. She has regular female customers from Europe and Japan. And of course she is beautiful, please send me PM for more information.
[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1626251]I quickly went into Suzie Wong, the line up was decent but not that great. Several girls around and several punters. I quite like SW because they have never denied me entry on account of my ethnicity and they put up some good shows. I had reached too late. All the body paint shows etc end by 10 pm apparently. Nevertheless, there seemed to be an energy to the place. I had run up a bill of THB 1,300 on lady drinks and had gotten close to bar fining one of the sisters of the waitresses there.[/QUOTE]As you will know, in Thailand "sister" is used in a very loose sense, like "she's female and from the same province as me".
You can of course also barfine the waitresses. Last time I was in Suzie Wong, I just did that. A somewhat older lady, sweet and curvy. The night before I barfined one of the hot dancers of Suzie Wong. The waitress asked jokingly to barfine her as well. I said I was too tired to handle two ladies that night and promised to come back for her the next night. She must have heard that a million times and was most surprised I showed up and indeed barfined her.
We had a leisurely fuck, nothing special but a nice change of "scenery". It doesn't have to be the sexual olympics every time.
As she was a waitress she didn't shave her pussy, so another change of "scenery".
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1626582]Have you tried this service? Do you recommend it? I mean, I would not touch this, being outcall only, girls sight unseen, and so few girls on the web site. I might be too cautious or pessimistic, but what is the attraction here?[/QUOTE]No I have not. Was not even aware if it was just outcall only. I would not know whether it should be recommended or avoided. Just pointing out to EuourCouple a possibility.
BTW Syz, always interested to read of your exploits.
[QUOTE=PapaeNoel;1626658]No I have not. Was not even aware if it was just outcall only. I would not know whether it should be recommended or avoided. Just pointing out to EuourCouple a possibility.
BTW Syz, always interested to read of your exploits.[/QUOTE]That's what I was looking at the page also. In our case outcall is not an option unfortunately. And that would open the new complications with the picture matching etc. Of course. Thanks for taking trouble to find a proposition though, Papa Noel.
Wolvenvatch. Again thank you for the info. We'll sure to arrive earlier as you write. Very much looking forward to this.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1626577]Nope, this is not correct unless radical changes have occurred in last 4 weeks. Long time ago Suzie shows started around 9:30 PM but the time slipped back as patrons did not seem to attend early enough. The first shows rarely start much before 10 PM and if place is busy, there will be a 2nd round of shows later on maybe close to midnight. Body paint is one of the minor shows. I wonder if you get confused with Crazy House whose shows may start a bit earlier, perhaps, or if you were really at Suzie at 11 PM?[/QUOTE]I was at SW around 11 pm and I confirmed with a couple of waitresses and the girl I was about to bar fine both of them confirmed that the shows for that particular day had ended. So it might be the case that they had wrapped up the shows for that day and were only doing the general dance routine. I have seen the body paint shows and lesbian shows on my earlier visits and I do remember them being between 9:30 pm to 11 pm.
I checked into CH around 12:30.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1626602]As you will know, in Thailand "sister" is used in a very loose sense, like "she's female and from the same province as me".
You can of course also barfine the waitresses. Last time I was in Suzie Wong, I just did that. A somewhat older lady, sweet and curvy. The night before I barfined one of the hot dancers of Suzie Wong. The waitress asked jokingly to barfine her as well. I said I was too tired to handle two ladies that night and promised to come back for her the next night. She must have heard that a million times and was most surprised I showed up and indeed barfined her.
We had a leisurely fuck, nothing special but a nice change of "scenery". It doesn't have to be the sexual olympics every time.
As she was a waitress she didn't shave her pussy, so another change of "scenery".[/QUOTE]I agree, the waitress was also pretty as well, and if I wanted I could have bar fined the "sister" i. e. the dancer and the waitress, but I guess it just wasn't my time yet to barfine two girls from the same place.
[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1626808]I was at SW around 11 pm and I confirmed with a couple of waitresses and the girl I was about to bar fine both of them confirmed that the shows for that particular day had ended. So it might be the case that they had wrapped up the shows for that day and were only doing the general dance routine. I have seen the body paint shows and lesbian shows on my earlier visits and I do remember them being between 9:30 pm to 11 pm.
I checked into CH around 12:30.[/QUOTE]Its known on quiet days that there will only be one set of shows and may finish by 11 PM. I would be surprised if start as early as 9:30 PM, but perhaps 9:30 PM is good time to arrive to be safe. On busy day like Friday, Saturday, providing reasonable customer numbers, there should be two sets of shows. I have seen shows well past midnight, but not every day. I don't know the exact days for this.
Hey Seniors, regular members,
I am visiting Bangkok next week, I am looking form high end massage parlors where I can get good massage and extras. Please share details of the SPA. Help highly appreciated.
Visa or Master Card, Discover?
Is one CC accepted more over the other one in BKK??
[QUOTE=RumBuddy;1627040]Visa or Master Card, Discover? Is one CC accepted more over the other one in BKK??[/QUOTE]All the hotels I used accepted both Visa and MasterCard and American Express. I wouldn't know about Discover.
Restaurants geared more towards business or part of a chain accept credit cards as well. The really local restaurants do this far less if at all. But then again, these are so cheap (but still very good) that the handling cost of the credit card would be more expensive than the food.
The shops in the big shopping malls accept all kinds of credit cards.
On the average, Visa and MasterCard seem the credit cards that are most accepted.
[QUOTE=RumBuddy;1627040]Visa or Master Card, Discover? Is one CC accepted more over the other one in BKK??[/QUOTE]Discover is pretty much unknown outside US. A few years ago Visa had a big push to have customer use it over MC. Amex is only at a (relatively) few high end places.
[QUOTE=RumBuddy;1627040]Visa or Master Card, Discover? Is one CC accepted more over the other one in BKK??[/QUOTE]From the Discover Card website: Discover cards are currently accepted in multiple countries around the world through the Discover Network and our Network partnerships: China Union Pay, JCB, Diners Club International. They even have a Country Acceptance Map that includes Thailand.
[URL]https://www.discover.com/credit-cards/help-center/account/international-use.html?icmpgn=publichelpcenter[/URL]
However, the map states that JCB is Japan Only and China Union Pay is Mainland China Only. That only leaves Diners Club network for Thailand. There are ATM's that accept Diners Club cards in Bangkok according to their site:
[URL]https://www.dinersclubcash.com/locator/searchSubmit.do[/URL]
[QUOTE=RumBuddy;1627040]Visa or Master Card, Discover?
Is one CC accepted more over the other one in BKK??[/QUOTE]I haven't had any problem with Visa or Master Card in Bangkok. I haven't tried Discover and don't use AMEX there owing to their 2. 7 percent foreign currency conversion fee (which they have recently removed from their Delta branded card, however). I tend to use Chase cards or Capital One cards owing to their lack of foreign currency conversion fees although it is possible some, but a minority, of the Chase CC's still assess this.
One issue that I have not yet experienced in Bangkok, but have very occasionally in Indonesia, is some stores only accept credit cards that have smart chips embedded in them. I suspect this may become a growing trend in Asia so if you have a credit card with a smart chip it would be worth carrying that as backup if not your primary card. But as above, this has not yet been an issue for me in Bangkok although I wouldn't be shocked if at some point it becomes one.
[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1627350]I haven't had any problem with Visa or Master Card in Bangkok. I haven't tried Discover and don't use AMEX there owing to their 2. 7 percent foreign currency conversion fee (which they have recently removed from their Delta branded card, however). I tend to use Chase cards or Capital One cards owing to their lack of foreign currency conversion fees although it is possible some, but a minority, of the Chase CC's still assess this.
One issue that I have not yet experienced in Bangkok, but have very occasionally in Indonesia, is some stores only accept credit cards that have smart chips embedded in them. I suspect this may become a growing trend in Asia so if you have a credit card with a smart chip it would be worth carrying that as backup if not your primary card. But as above, this has not yet been an issue for me in Bangkok although I wouldn't be shocked if at some point it becomes one.[/QUOTE]I have traveled through Europe and Asia with a Visa card and rarely had any problems. Some merchants and in particular automated kiosks will only take cards with chips though. A number of issuers are putting chips on their cards now though so it's not hard to find one just make sure you get one without the foreign exchange fees as well. Citi Hilton Reserve would be a good example. A travel blog site for points and redemption information I really like is [URL]milevalue.com[/URL]. Last year got 2 free nights at the HK Conrad and this year flying free to and from HK first / business on cathay from cards and tips I picked up from the site.
[QUOTE=RumBuddy;1627040]Visa or Master Card, Discover?
Is one CC accepted more over the other one in BKK??[/QUOTE]I have gone to all cash on my trips. No footprints. Pristine $100 USD bills get the best exchange rates at the money changers. Debit cards for ATM cash if the bankroll runs out. Credit cards are the emergency last choice option.
SunLover.
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1628088]I have gone to all cash on my trips. No footprints. Pristine $100 USD bills get the best exchange rates at the money changers. Debit cards for ATM cash if the bankroll runs out. Credit cards are the emergency last choice option.
SunLover.[/QUOTE]Going on a trip you need to plan for the unexpected. I bring $1000 for every week I am there. So if I go for 3 weeks I bring 3000 in Hundreds. Yes, it sucks carrying all that cash. But, maybe your debit card does not work. Which happened to me before! Or you bring all $100's and exchange places will not except your 100's because they do not except certain years it was printed. Or they don't accept old hundreds or new hundreds. All of these situations have happened to me before. So bottom line is you need to have back up plans in place. Have money in multiple places also.
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1628088]I have gone to all cash on my trips. No footprints. Pristine $100 USD bills get the best exchange rates at the money changers. Debit cards for ATM cash if the bankroll runs out. Credit cards are the emergency last choice option.
SunLover.[/QUOTE]I carry a Schwab debit card, a Chase credit card, a Capital One Credit card and a few traveler checks on each trip. I always keep the traveler checks separate from my cards. The debit and credit cards are free to use. No bank charges or foreign exchange fees. I also carry cash but don't like carrying too much to avoid loss. I know guys that carry $5000-$6000 in cash and lock in their in-room safe. Staff can steal from in-room safes. Don't bring a lot of cash. Bring cards, debit or credit, that allow you to access your money without paying fees.
I carry only pristine 100 USD notes or 100 Euro notes. No footprint is left. I pay cash and good-bye.
Carlos.
[QUOTE=CarlosPrimeros;1628311]I carry only pristine 100 USD notes or 100 Euro notes. No footprint is left. I pay cash and good-bye.
Carlos.[/QUOTE]But sometimes I have had issues when traveling trying to use large bills. Many people are suspicious of counterfeit notes, especially outside the USA.
[QUOTE=CarlosPrimeros;1628311]I carry only pristine 100 USD notes or 100 Euro notes. No footprint is left. I pay cash and good-bye.
Carlos.[/QUOTE]No way in ISIS hell would I carry around ONLY Cash. Specially since I am in LOS every three months for three months at a crack. Like 'Allover' it is Capital One CC, Schwab ATM and State Farm ATM. All fees re-imbursed and no conversion fee.
Is anyone getting laid? I would just point out there is the General Thread for non-mongering topics or non Bangkok topics.
I visited Crazy House today. I would say standard of girl looks has improved again after being a bit down a few weeks ago.
Was fun having two girls on my lap. Only got to fuck one as they were too shy to go together. LOL.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1628440]Is anyone getting laid? I would just point out there is the General Thread for non-mongering topics or non Bangkok topics.
I visited Crazy House today. I would say standard of girl looks has improved again after being a bit down a few weeks ago.
Was fun having two girls on my lap. Only got to fuck one as they were too shy to go together. LOL.[/QUOTE]Natty Bumpo, apparently, or the guy just enjoys writing erotic fictions. Keep your eyes open for a new title at the book stores in 2015: "Food & Fuck, but mostly food, in SEA".
The NEP street scene is IMO the best it's ever been in all the years since 2007. Hotter girls, better service, young ones replacing oldies. I haven't had a lame session yet, after taking mostly those I never had before, which is either very unusual or extremely lucky. Almost all the ladies from 3 years ago are gone, so it's pretty much a completely new lineup.
They are being discouraged from sitting by the Nana hotel or standing on the car park, while more are seen along the sidewalk between the two seven eleven stores. Anecdotal evidence indicates they may be pushing for a few hundred extra baht & condom use.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1628440]Is anyone getting laid? I would just point out there is the General Thread for non-mongering topics or non Bangkok topics.
I visited Crazy House today. I would say standard of girl looks has improved again after being a bit down a few weeks ago.
Was fun having two girls on my lap. Only got to fuck one as they were too shy to go together. LOL.[/QUOTE]Wrong thread. This one is about cash, etc. LOL.
Due to police pressure all the clubs are getting closed at 2 AM. Now you can't party till 5 in morning. Not a single after hours club is open these days, Its better to go to Pattaya if you like to party till morning like me.
police presence is high in soi cowboy right now. girls in crazy house were not dancing completely naked, although they still have no knickers on. **** girls have been told not to show up to work, i believe. fortunately there are still a lot left.
crazy house was pretty full of customers by 9pm. mostly japanese or similar looking asians, but maybe up to 30% westeners. it's strange that this place is so popular with japanese as the girls do not have the baccara plastic doll look. not much silicone implants and even not that many fake noses. superior young girls looks than many bars though. i don't recommend it as the best place to bf girls though. its rather hit or miss, with maybe more miss that hit. suzi wong girls are more reliable on the bed. fortunately i know one girl who is really good, and some reasonable backups.
i bfed a 19 yo. mamasan wanted me to meet the girl at the st hotel and not walk together there past the police, just in case of any problems. most bars are closed by 2 am.
Saturday, 4th October.
Got into Bangkok by 6 pm and checked into the usual hotel Mac Boutique on soi 7. Since they seemed to be booked up fully I was upgraded to the presidential suite, woohoo, the room is on the top floor and is really big with an equally big drawing room area and two rest rooms. So the day (or rather evening) in Bangkok starts off on the right note. My friend did not want to bar fine from the Go-Gos tonight, so he ordered in Ana from Mango Massage, I had reviewed her in my last trip and he had a two hour session in his room. Once he was done, we set out for Saphan Kwai at around 11pm. Many thanks to Natty Bumpo for his excellent report on SK and additional inputs shared over PM. I was initially apprehensive in visiting a place so deep in local Thai territory but the place is not very difficult to locate. Get off at the Saphan Kwai BTS station and walk back the way you came and turn left on the first intersection which is the Suthisan Winitchai Road and walk in and at the T-junction take a right followed by an immediate left. Walk 50 metres down and the neon is plastered on one side of the street. We had thought to try out two places here, T Ded 99 and Music VDO. Music VDO could either not be spotted or it has closed down. We went into T Ded 99 and we probably got the most welcoming reception in any Go-Go ever in LOS. Big handicap in hunting in this area is knowing at least elementary Thai which would really make things simpler. The place is very dirty inside and almost falling apart but it was full of young Thai guys enjoying with girls on their laps just imagine soi Cowboy and take out the farangs and replace them with Thai guys. Not a single farang was to be seen and we were the only outsiders, the initial apprehensions disappeared and was now replaced by the interest in finding at least one girl to talk to. Language, as pointed out earlier, was the undoing. So I tried chatting with one girl but it was becoming pointless, there would have no point in bar fining someone with whom even mime would not have been effective.
We moved on walked up and down the street, could not locate Music VDO so we took a cab to soi Cowboy and we were there in 15 minutes. Cowboy was a little subdued (around 12:30pm) and I can confirm what Syzygies saw, several cops watching over the soi. Although no problems as such, because I walked by 4 cops in the middle of soi Cowboy with my bar fine and they didn't even look twice. Since I didn't go into SW or CH can't confirm the nude dancing thingy. I went into Bacarra and ended up bar fining here. I had decided after all the valuable learning at Pattaya that I would not buy any useless lady drinks only drinks necessary for my girl. The staff hadn't changed much and many of the familiar girls were in the line up at Bacarra. Although the girl that I had bar fined last time was no where to be seen. Anyways, the place as always had less farang and more Asian guys around. Girls were dressed in black bikinis and short skirts and another group was dressed in a blue shade bikini. I did not bother going up to the first floor because the girls in the reflection below appeared to be fully dressed and not very appealing. At Bacarra, I am usually required to wait it out for a girl to show some interest in me because first priority of business is to snag a Japanese. But I knew that I had made it in at a much later time and many would be desperate for a bar fine. So by the time I finished my first drink, Pim showed up and said hello. She wasn't pushy with a drink so I got her one. She appeared to have a genial personality. After finishing her drink she went up to dance and she gave me permission to ogle at other girls whilst she was on stage but she did keep flirting with me from the stage. I was sitting on the bar stool near the bell. After her round, I told her that I could bar fine her if she liked, she said "up to me" but I needed to buy another drink for her, not because she wanted it, but apparently MMS doesn't let girls go unless two drinks hit the girls tab. Who knows how much of it is true. I ordered two tequilas and we downed the shots, she went up to change. I paid the bar fine and we walked out of Bacarra.
I felt a little hungry and told her my hotel was on soi 7 but would like to eat a little something before boom-boom. She thought and said that the owner of Bacarra has a restaurent on soi 7 called New Wave Inn. I was fine with it, it's not like I had any understanding of Thai food. I told her to take care of that aspect, just told her what meat I did not want. She ordered chicken rice, a yummy soup similar to Tom Yum and a plate of raw oysters served on ice. It was an interesting meal. During dinner I enquired what her thinking was in respect of the punters that visit Bacarra and she told me that in her opinion (and also what some girls think) first choice always is Japanese (no big news), second was farang (this was new) and third was Korean (because apparently some of them can be cheap). No point asking about Indians, since not too many bar fine from here LOL (I could be one of the few suckers). I asked what about the Chinese, she says that they prefer to go on to soi 18 and watch LB shows and they do not bar fine much in any case. It was good to confirm my initial suspicions. But what sucked about the dinner was not the food but that my bill was padded with a 200 baht service charge and I had a sneaky feeling this was not charged to other customers. I went out for a smoke after check bin and she stood to chat with the staff. She came out and showed me that the restaurant had given her 315 baht and she was very happy, she says it was tip from the boss for getting Baccara customer to restaurant. I then went onto explain to her how it that money was collected from my pocket and handed to her. She genuinely seemed upset but did not offer the money back to me. In any case, I would not have accepted, I was just trying to make a point. I had decided then that no matter how good the service, she would not get a tip, because she had already made an extra 300 baht.
We got back to the room and we got into the shower, after which I went down on her and she was excited by it and did not want it to stop. However, I had to stop after a while because my jaw was locking up with the DATY. We made out but BJ was covered which is OK, her choice. She claimed to be 24 years old, I have my doubts seemed to be 26. In any case, the romp in bed was good, she was a sport and had a tight pussy. Cowgirl was the most difficult position as I was facing several obstructions and I usually like to finish in this position. Anyways, ultimately we did just that. Since the deal was for short time, we finished up and she had to go back to her apartment. So I walked her down the soi and found her a cab and put her in. Now to get some sleep after a good quality session with a quality Baccara girl.
[QUOTE=FunFilled;1628670]Due to police pressure all the clubs are getting closed at 2 AM. Now you can't party till 5 in morning. Not a single after hour club is open these days, Its better to go to.
Pattaya if you like to party till morning like me.[/QUOTE]As a local I like the early closings. Far easier to pull a FL gal at a reasonable time.
Hi AO,
I am in BKK also, have sent you a PM. If free, please respond.
[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1628869]Saturday, 4th October.
Got into Bangkok by 6 pm and checked into the usual hotel Mac Boutique on soi 7. Since they seemed to be booked up fully I was upgraded to the presidential suite, woohoo, the room is on the top floor and is really big with an equally big drawing room area and two rest rooms. So the day (or rather evening) in Bangkok starts off on the right note. My friend did not want to bar fine from the Go-Gos tonight, so he ordered in Ana from Mango Massage, I had reviewed her in my last trip and he had a two hour session in his room. Once he was done, we set out for Saphan Kwai at around 11pm. Many thanks to Natty Bumpo for his excellent report on SK and additional inputs shared over PM. I was initially apprehensive in visiting a place so deep in local Thai territory but the place is not very difficult to locate. Get off at the Saphan Kwai BTS station and walk back the way you came and turn left on the first intersection which is the Suthisan Winitchai Road and walk in and at the T-junction take a right followed by an immediate left. Walk 50 metres down and the neon is plastered on one side of the street. We had thought to try out two places here, T Ded 99 and Music VDO. Music VDO could either not be spotted or it has closed down. We went into T Ded 99 and we probably got the most welcoming reception in any Go-Go ever in LOS. Big handicap in hunting in this area is knowing at least elementary Thai which would really make things simpler. The place is very dirty inside and almost falling apart but it was full of young Thai guys enjoying with girls on their laps just imagine soi Cowboy and take out the farangs and replace them with Thai guys..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1623367]Panthip is a butt-kicking. Go to Fortune Town. You will find just about everything you would find at Panthip, and you don't have to hassle with the crowds. It is right at the Rama IX MRT stop as well. Bonus- Head right across the street to Central Rama IX for some food and to gaze at women.[/QUOTE]I was at Siam the other day as it was recommended over ripoff MBK by a Thai professional in the industry. There was a Samsung / Galaxy shop on the 3rd floor, then clustered together directly above it 3 shops on the 4th floor. IT City, Jamart & Powermall. Powermall had Acer 7 inch tablets from only 3290 baht. Samsung had phones from 590.
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[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1628905]As a local I like the early closings. Far easier to pull a FL gal at a reasonable time.[/QUOTE]To quote a famous football (soccer) player: every disadvantage has its advantage!
[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1628869] In any case, the romp in bed was good, she was a sport and had a tight pussy. Cowgirl was the most difficult position as I was facing several obstructions and I usually like to finish in this position. Anyways, ultimately we did just that. [/QUOTE]Some girls I cannot fuck due to foam sponge stuffed up the pussy making available pussy size too small, and creating a non smooth feel. Is that what you mean by obstructions?
I am a little surprised as you write as though Pim chose you. I am generally too fussy and like to decide which girl interests me, rather than just one that shows up. Maybe you got lucky and she just happened to be your spec or are not that fussy. I try to pick ones that may not be typical Japanese spec. Lacking silly hair, silicones, ops in general, and maybe even tanned skin. I still get refusals from girls that have their eye on some other guy, who did not yet BF them, of course. However that is no big deal. We get used to it. Actually its rare I go to Baccara any more. Just not enough girls of my type.
Tried her today. She looks a Bengali with large eyes, cute looking school girl kind of face, very thin (not for people looking for big / medium size jugs). People from India will understand what girls from Bengal look like.
She is 2 weeks into the system. Apparently I was the first one in her ass and what a experience it was. She was almost crying but did not say anything to stop me. It took several attempts before making my way into her ass. But once I was inside, I was in no mood to come out. Spent 90 min for standard massage rate. Overall a great experience. With hits in a row, my regard for snow white has gone up.
[QUOTE=FunFilled;1628670]Due to police pressure all the clubs are getting closed at 2 AM. Now you can't party till 5 in morning. Not a single after hour club is open these days, Its better to go to.
Pattaya if you like to party till morning like me.[/QUOTE]Went to Soi Cowboy last night and Nana night before. Any ideas why Cowboy is being hit so much harder? At Nana there was still topless dancing, but at Cowboy all girls in Sharks were forced to wear nipple tassels and in Suzi Wongs they didn't even have the shows on let alone nude dancing. Very disappointed in that, it's my favourite gogo.
Also, what should ST and LT prices be? We were quoted 3000 and 5000 respectively, without any option of bartering in Sharks. Girls said it was 'the new rules' and they couldn't do anything. In the end went for ST but I liked her enough that she stayed LT. More detailed report to follow later on that.
[QUOTE=Muttley81;1629108]Went to Soi Cowboy last night and Nana night before. Any ideas why Cowboy is being hit so much harder? At Nana there was still topless dancing, but at Cowboy all girls in Sharks were forced to wear nipple tassels and in Suzi Wongs they didn't even have the shows on let alone nude dancing. Very disappointed in that, it's my favourite gogo.[/QUOTE]Different police district?
[QUOTE=Muttley81;1629108]Also, what should ST and LT prices be? We were quoted 3000 and 5000 respectively, without any option of bartering in Sharks. Girls said it was 'the new rules' and they couldn't do anything. In the end went for ST but I liked her enough that she stayed LT. More detailed report to follow later on that.[/QUOTE]5555+ You are too funny!
New rule? Not at all. It is the age old rule of telling the farang anything whatsoever to transfer his money to her.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1628475]Natty Bumpo, apparently, or the guy just enjoys writing erotic fictions. Keep your eyes open for a new title at the book stores in 2015: "Food & Fuck, but mostly food, in SEA".[/QUOTE]How many chapters did you read? LOL ;)
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1629031]Some girls I cannot fuck due to foam sponge stuffed up the pussy making available pussy size too small, and creating a non smooth feel. Is that what you mean by obstructions?
I am a little surprised as you write as though Pim chose you. I am generally too fussy and like to decide which girl interests me, rather than just one that shows up. Maybe you got lucky and she just happened to be your spec or are not that fussy. I try to pick ones that may not be typical Japanese spec. Lacking silly hair, silicones, ops in general, and maybe even tanned skin. I still get refusals from girls that have their eye on some other guy, who did not yet BF them, of course. However that is no big deal. We get used to it. Actually its rare I go to Baccara any more. Just not enough girls of my type.[/QUOTE]Not sure I meant padding in the foamy sense, because I didn't find any such thing there, I did finger her and DATY her for a while so I guess that wasn't the obstruction. During cowgirl it seemed like I was missing the target several times and ended up hitting the not the hole or hitting it only partially, which is why I sensed some obstruction.
In Bacarra, as the girls have their eyes for only a select few kinds of punters, it was just that she made the first approach and I had turned down a hostess before that. But it is generally hard to attract the attention of some girls at this place. At least Pim did not have fake boobs, a nose job or anything of the type, seemed quite natural that ways. Two small tatoos.
[QUOTE=Muttley81;1629108]Went to Soi Cowboy last night and Nana night before. Any ideas why Cowboy is being hit so much harder? At Nana there was still topless dancing, but at Cowboy all girls in Sharks were forced to wear nipple tassels and in Suzi Wongs they didn't even have the shows on let alone nude dancing. Very disappointed in that, it's my favourite gogo.
Also, what should ST and LT prices be? We were quoted 3000 and 5000 respectively, without any option of bartering in Sharks. Girls said it was 'the new rules' and they couldn't do anything. In the end went for ST but I liked her enough that she stayed LT. More detailed report to follow later on that.[/QUOTE]3 k ST? Obscene. Really just ridiculous.
There was no nude dancing also in Suzi Wong and no shows since Saturday night similar to Crazy House not having nude dancing. I heard that Police were asking for increased payments. This was refused by some places on Cowboy as business is not good and they can't afford it. Hence some clubs get targeted and closed down some evenings. The police are basically there because they want money. Nana is controlled by different Police group as far as I know.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1629348]There was no nude dancing also in Suzi Wong and no shows since Saturday night similar to Crazy House not having nude dancing. I heard that Police were asking for increased payments. This was refused by some places on Cowboy as business is not good and they can't afford it. Hence some clubs get targeted and closed down some evenings. The police are basically there because they want money. Nana is controlled by different Police group as far as I know.[/QUOTE]This is what's wrong with the corruption as a rule business model. The corrupt will only want to grow their share if they see success! It will never end. They eventually kill the goose with the golden eggs. Everybody loses.
I hear Crazy House employed girls that were unemployable anywhere else. Now that the girls have been told to take a hike when will the other bad type girls be forced out? Leaving another run of the mill bar.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1629348]There was no nude dancing also in Suzi Wong and no shows since Saturday night similar to Crazy House not having nude dancing. I heard that Police were asking for increased payments. This was refused by some places on Cowboy as business is not good and they can't afford it. Hence some clubs get targeted and closed down some evenings. The police are basically there because they want money. Nana is controlled by different Police group as far as I know.[/QUOTE]Ain't it funny? In the wake of the government's campaign against filth and corruption, actually new opportunities to get some extra tea-money are found!
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1629122]Different police district?
5555+ You are too funny!
New rule? Not at all. It is the age old rule of telling the farang anything whatsoever to transfer his money to her.[/QUOTE]Thanks, but I wasn't trying to be. Haha. I'm not that naïve to believe everything they said but in Sharks all the girls were saying exactly the same thing and not willing to negotiate at all. They just stated its the rules and shrugged. With the increased police presence at end of street I wondered if the girls are having to give bigger take to bar now, so are all going high. Just seemed very coordinated and not a girl trying to get more money. More fool me.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1629433]Ain't it funny? In the wake of the government's campaign against filth and corruption, actually new opportunities to get some extra tea-money are found![/QUOTE]A large portion of the police force is known to be corrupt. They are really just criminals on the "right" side of the law. Often people get framed up for crimes as its much easier than finding the real culprits. Its great for Police when activities in Cowboy are not strictly legal. Police can either get a big earnings boost or just shut them down.
E. g. Police are coming. Person with drugs quickly stashes it in someone else's bag. That innocent person then does a couple of years for high drug possession. Police are known to plant the evidence themselves when they want to get someone.
The number of Farangs involved in murders or "suicides" in Thailand that do get properly investigated or reported is extraordinary.
Stay well clear of trouble,
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1628905]As a local I like the early closings. Far easier to pull a FL gal at a reasonable time.[/QUOTE]Definitely its buyers market these days cause business is low, not enough tourist and every thing shutting down early. But I see one negative side of it also the.
Class of girls who use to go to clubs after finishing there work (Waitress in restaurants and Bars, support staff in restaurant, saloon girl, massage parlour girls.
Soapy girls) are out of market and business. These girls usually used to finish there work past midnight and then hit the after hours club around 2 just to make some easy money specially if they got off next day.
Second class of the girls who are out of market are 9-5 office going girls who used to go to party with there friends on weekend and once little drunk and horny.
They used to hit after hours club instead of going home and want to have some fun. Fun + money. Life can't be better.
And I miss those type of girls. Specially 5-9 office going girls on weekend.
Long wordy posts about prostitutes are just painful to read. I tried but just couldn't bear it. If you want us to read keep it short and concise. Highlight the funny parts. Good day!
[QUOTE=Muttley81;1629442]Thanks, but I wasn't trying to be. Haha. I'm not that nave to believe everything they said but in Sharks all the girls were saying exactly the same thing and not willing to negotiate at all. They just stated its the rules and shrugged. With the increased police presence at end of street I wondered if the girls are having to give bigger take to bar now, so are all going high. Just seemed very coordinated and not a girl trying to get more money. More fool me.[/QUOTE]Maybe the bargirls decided to become a member of the United Thai Bargirl Union and now can only work according to union scales?
Buddha knows what else they think of next: max. fucking time of 15 minutes followed by a compulsory 5 minute break; must use Union approved condoms (sold by the Southern Thailand Amalgamated Latex Tapper chapters of the "Strength through Unity" Farmworker Union); all positions except misssionary are subject to a additional fee; all payments up front; a 10% "voluntary" payment to the "Bargirls on the rag" Support Fund will be asked; . . .
[QUOTE=Steve7777;1629471]Long wordy posts about prostitutes are just painful to read. I tried but just couldn't bear it. If you want us to read keep it short and concise. Highlight the funny parts. Good day![/QUOTE]Long wordy posts about prostitutes are EXACTLY why people read this forum. They help prepare us for upcoming trips, and give us valuable information about the latest trends in pricing, dining, hotels, transportation, and massage. I've been reading and contributing here for years, and although I wasn't blessed with the writing skills that some members have, I do try to post when I discover something valuable that may help other members.
There is a painless remedy for you reading these posts. Just ignore them.
And like my Momma used to say. If you don't have anything nice to say, just say nothing. Still very good advice.
[QUOTE=Steve7777;1629471]Long wordy posts about prostitutes are just painful to read. I tried but just couldn't bear it. If you want us to read keep it short and concise. Highlight the funny parts. Good day![/QUOTE]You must realize, of course, that with no reference to another post we have no idea who or what you are talking about.
SW.
[QUOTE=SirWilliam4;1629629]You must realize, of course, that with no reference to another post we have no idea who or what you are talking about.
SW.[/QUOTE]If you scroll back you'll see what he's talking about but most people know how to skim, scan and read only what they want to read. Pretty much the same way they did it to Steve.
Bar: CH.
Girl: 19 years old. From Isan.
Name: Mee.
Face: 6. 5*.
Body: 7*.
Attitude: 7. 5*.
DFK: yes - 7*.
BBBJ: yes - 6*.
Clitoral Stimulation with my Dick: yes - 8*.
DATY: available, but did not partake.
BBFS: yes - 8*.
Price: ST - 2500 bt.
Tip: yes - 500 bt.
WIR: yes.
As a writer, the short report would sure save a lot of time, but it leaves out a lot of the nuance and detail. Hell, I could just write: CH - Good bar, lots of girls, some nudity, 2500bt ST. I am sure this is better for some members, but not all. Like David said, if you don't like the wordy detailed reports just skim over them or ignore them completely. It is up to you.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1629598]Maybe the bargirls decided to become a member of the United Thai Bargirl Union and now can only work according to union scales?
Buddha knows what else they think of next: max. fucking time of 15 minutes followed by a compulsory 5 minute break; must use Union approved condoms (sold by the Southern Thailand Amalgamated Latex Tapper chapters of the "Strength through Unity" Farmworker Union); all positions except misssionary are subject to a additional fee; all payments up front; a 10% "voluntary" payment to the "Bargirls on the rag" Support Fund will be asked; . . .[/QUOTE]I do hope not. The reason that men go with prostiutes is that women have unionized pussy. That's why most women hate prostitutes; they see them as scab labor crossing a picket line and selling it for what its worth.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1629645]Bar: CH.
Girl: 19 years old. From Isan.
Name: Mee.
Face: 6. 5*.
Body: 7*.
Attitude: 7. 5*.
DFK: yes - 7*.
BBBJ: yes - 6*.
Clitoral Stimulation with my Dick: yes - 8*.
DATY: available, but did not partake.
BBFS: yes - 8*.
Price: ST - 2500 bt.
Tip: yes - 500 bt.
WIR: yes.
As a writer, the short report would sure save a lot of time, but it leaves out a lot of the nuance and detail. Hell, I could just write: CH - Good bar, lots of girls, some nudity, 2500bt ST. I am sure this is better for some members, but not all. Like David said, if you don't like the wordy detailed reports just skim over them or ignore them completely. It is up to you.[/QUOTE]Very good, Natty. Perfect response. Meanwhile, just keep on writing as you have. Many of us enjoy -- and learn from -- your extensive reports.
SW4.
[QUOTE=FunFilled;1629468]Definitely its buyers market these days cause business is low, not enough tourist and every thing shutting down early. But I see one negative side of it also the.
Class of girls who use to go to clubs after finishing there work (Waitress in restaurants and Bars, support staff in restaurant, saloon girl, massage parlour girls.
Soapy girls) are out of market and business. These girls usually used to finish there work past midnight and then hit the after hours club around 2 just to make some easy money specially if they got off next day.
Second class of the girls who are out of market are 9-5 office going girls who used to go to party with there friends on weekend and once little drunk and horny.
They used to hit after hours club instead of going home and want to have some fun. Fun + money. Life can't be better.
And I miss those type of girls. Specially 5-9 office going girls on weekend.[/QUOTE]Could not agree with you more. Increased salaries throughout every sector in Thailand has pretty much killed the semi-pro or part-timer market. Thermae used to attract office gals who would head out a few times a month to supplement their small salaries. These gals were my bread and butter for years. Since they already made some money they could afford to be a bit choosy as far as who they went with. So you would normally have a horny fun gal! With higher wages they no longer need this extra money.
Even restaurant and shopping mall staff can now make a living on their salaries.
What's left? The pros who are either too lazy or not smart enough to do anything else.
Of course most of my younger friends (dudes in their 20's and early 30's) are not active in the P4 P scene here at all, rather opting for "regular" girls who are quite easy if you are young, decent looking, and have a bit of cash. Drawback is they are becoming more and more similar to Western chicks as far as expectations and level of maintenance. Certainly not what I moved here for.
The "scene" we so loved will continue to decline as the country develops. P4 P will get more expensive (hell dudes are already paying close to 100 USD for a ST when you add in the BF), less fun, and the gals in the biz will become less desirable. Combined with certain coming crackdowns on the biz, my guess is in another 10 years you will see two classes of working girl: high end and street girls. The middle ground that made being here so fun will continue to disappear. Hey, don't get me wrong, I think it is great that gals have more choices these days and don't have to work as prostitutes if they don't want to. But, sadly that greatly reduces our fun as hobbyists. For now, I just enjoy the oilies and the occasional FL.
[QUOTE=David2;1629605]Long wordy posts about prostitutes are EXACTLY why people read this forum. They help prepare us for upcoming trips, and give us valuable information about the latest trends in pricing, dining, hotels, transportation, and massage. I've been reading and contributing here for years, and although I wasn't blessed with the writing skills that some members have, I do try to post when I discover something valuable that may help other members.
There is a painless remedy for you reading these posts. Just ignore them.
And like my Momma used to say. If you don't have anything nice to say, just say nothing. Still very good advice.[/QUOTE]Absolutely right on target.
IMHO A mongering trip is all aspects of traveling, mongering, culture, cuisine and the friends you make in the process.
Guido88.
[QUOTE=Steve7777;1629471]Long wordy posts about prostitutes are just painful to read. [/QUOTE]I find long wordy reports that are not about the girl or the monger place, rather touristy experiences in Thailand, are the most boring reports. E. g. What he had for breakfast or booking the Hotel, travelling from the airport, etc. Would be great if the rambling reports not about the girls were in a special thread. However we do have the right to just skim over them or avoid reading them altogether, so if it entertains the bored people, why not?
Anyway, I encourage people to use the General Thread for stuff not really about mongering in Bangkok, or keep it fairly brief.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1629706]Could not agree with you more. Increased salaries throughout every sector in Thailand has pretty much killed the semi-pro or part-timer market. Thermae used to attract office gals who would head out a few times a month to supplement their small salaries. [/QUOTE]I know this report will make some guys angry. I don't care.
Taking freelancer girls is a risk. I hardly ever see stunning ones. A few good looking ones spotted in Nana car park, but I hardly ever go there. Never really saw a stunner in Beergarten however only went a limited number of times. I don't have time and energy to do discos much. Maybe Bangkok Beat is a good option for me.Convenient and small and not too dark.
Being a free lancer or indeed a working girl is quite dangerous. There are significant numbers of cases of girls being beaten up or even murdered. So not getting paid is not the worst thing that can happen to a girl. The customer can seem charming at first.
I know of working girls that largely focus on their regular customers, and are reluctant to take a guy who they only just met. On of my very pretty bargirls, has a long list of regulars, and says she hardly takes on an unknown guy. She will know pretty much how long the guy will take for ST, how much HE will pay, etc. And be able to weigh up whether this customer is helping optimize her earnings per hour and per thrust. She is willing to take a very good customer for several days at a non-optimal rate, even though she knows she could make more money, since she will get some rest from the pounding.
Being able to be choosy and having too many customers is a good reason for a girl to work the bar instead of an Oily MP. She makes very good money indeed for her house building project. She controls how much pounding she has to take. She knows I am a little difficult, but maintains me as a regular, only because I am nice, do not pound forcefully, and always willing to fit into unusual time slots, and will give me long time on occasions when multiple STs are probably not a good bet. I have no illusions. She is a business woman, but can still let herself go on the bed. Her attitude is make money but still try to have some fun at times.
I lament that the prices in Oily MPs are largely stuck for many years, while others rejoice this. The problem is it gets more and more difficult to find pretty girls wanting to take an all day pounding in an MP. If they are stunning, surely they will be very busy, too busy. Oilies are great for guys who don't much care about the face, and can fuck almost anything. However its not as good as 7 or 8 years ago when I could find several very pretty top performers.
I used to do Cat from Mango who had a cute face, even if body not perfect. She used to tell me she disliked well over 50% of her regular customers. There were too many "psycho" like customers who wanted to do sick things to a girl. She left the scene not that long later, perhaps having found a sugar daddy, who knows.
I think over time, the better looking girls are migrating more to the bar scene, and so am I, as they can choose the customer, and make better money per period of pussy pounding. Sure the bar scene is too expensive, but I can take time to study girls carefully for long periods before choosing.
Obviously I am far more looks oriented than service oriented. When Angie was at Cherry, I did not care if the service was only mediocre, as the body was stunning and face pretty good. I also used to do Gaew at Pink, due to the looks and just average service. Bai Fern at Yoremichi was stunning and a hell of a lot of fun. Aor at Annies had a stunning body pre augmentation. These girls disappeared, and have been hard to replace. The Oily MPs don't really have much in the stunning department any more. I blame the prices being stuck for contributing to this problem. Its good that June has returned giving me another fairly good looking option, and a sure good time. There are some other options, but I don't really have any stunning Oily girl right now.
I hear that places start to charge extra for anal as a way for girl to make increased money. This is understandable.
There was a stunning girl Nat at Crazy House with amazing high tits that defied gravity but no silicone. Body was a 10 and face 9. Reported to have been a bi-sexual with a Tom girlfriend. Was quite good on the bed. Unfortunately she disappeared too. I would be happy to pay extra for her every time.
For me it becomes meaningless to fuck plain looking girls (outside the top 5% and I don't even waste time to do them for free any more. Girls with both fake noses and sillies are a dime a dozen.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1629795]I know this report will make some guys angry. I don't care.
Taking freelancer girls is a risk. I hardly ever see stunning ones. A few good looking ones spotted in Nana car park, but I hardly ever go there. Never really saw a stunner in Beergarten however only went a limited number of times. I don't have time and energy to do discos much. Maybe Bangkok Beat is a good option for me.Convenient and small and not too dark.
Being a free lancer or indeed a working girl is quite dangerous. There are significant numbers of cases of girls being beaten up or even murdered. So not getting paid is not the worst thing that can happen to a girl. The customer can seem charming at first.
I know of working girls that largely focus on their regular customers, and are reluctant to take a guy who they only just met. On of my very pretty bargirls, has a long list of regulars, and says she hardly takes on an unknown guy. She will know pretty much how long the guy will take for ST, how much HE will pay, etc. And be able to weigh up whether this customer is helping optimize her earnings per hour and per thrust. She is willing to take a very good customer for several days at a non-optimal rate, even though she knows she could make more money, since she will get some rest from the pounding.
Being able to be choosy and having too many customers is a good reason for a girl to work the bar instead of an Oily MP. She makes very good money indeed for her house building project. She controls how much pounding she has to take. She knows I am a little difficult, but maintains me as a regular, only because I am nice, do not pound forcefully, and always willing to fit into unusual time slots, and will give me long time on occasions when multiple STs are probably not a good bet. I have no illusions. She is a business woman, but can still let herself go on the bed. Her attitude is make money but still try to have some fun at times.
I lament that the prices in Oily MPs are largely stuck for many years, while others rejoice this. The problem is it gets more and more difficult to find pretty girls wanting to take an all day pounding in an MP. If they are stunning, surely they will be very busy, too busy. Oilies are great for guys who don't much care about the face, and can fuck almost anything. However its not as good as 7 or 8 years ago when I could find several very pretty top performers.
I used to do Cat from Mango who had a cute face, even if body not perfect. She used to tell me she disliked well over 50% of her regular customers. There were too many "psycho" like customers who wanted to do sick things to a girl. She left the scene not that long later, perhaps having found a sugar daddy, who knows.
I think over time, the better looking girls are migrating more to the bar scene, and so am I, as they can choose the customer, and make better money per period of pussy pounding. Sure the bar scene is too expensive, but I can take time to study girls carefully for long periods before choosing.
Obviously I am far more looks oriented than service oriented. When Angie was at Cherry, I did not care if the service was only mediocre, as the body was stunning and face pretty good. I also used to do Gaew at Pink, due to the looks and just average service. Bai Fern at Yoremichi was stunning and a hell of a lot of fun. Aor at Annies had a stunning body pre augmentation. These girls disappeared, and have been hard to replace. The Oily MPs don't really have much in the stunning department any more. I blame the prices being stuck for contributing to this problem. Its good that June has returned giving me another fairly good looking option, and a sure good time. There are some other options, but I don't really have any stunning Oily girl right now.
I hear that places start to charge extra for anal as a way for girl to make increased money. This is understandable.
There was a stunning girl Nat at Crazy House with amazing high tits that defied gravity but no silicone. Body was a 10 and face 9. Reported to have been a bi-sexual with a Tom girlfriend. Was quite good on the bed. Unfortunately she disappeared too. I would be happy to pay extra for her every time.
For me it becomes meaningless to fuck plain looking girls (outside the top 5% and I don't even waste time to do them for free any more. Girls with both fake noses and sillies are a dime a dozen.[/QUOTE]Guess I have gone the other way as I age. I will take a 7 who performs like a 10 over a 10 that performs like a 7. I have very little use for gals that don't perfect their skill set.
I will say that the "looks" level at the PSE oilies has been on the decline for a couple of years now. No doubt about it. That is because they can make more for doing less in other places. Sadly most punters accept what they get. If a gal does not perform they pay her the money and go on about it and she has learned that she does not have to provide good service.
Gogos, meh, overpriced weak drinks and all the annoying young coyote dancers who think they are a great gift to the world. No way I would pay over 100 USD for the privilege of a ST with them. Doubt they would come even close to what I expect performance wise. Now if they performed like Macau sauna gals I would gladly pay that. But paying a lot more for less just does not sit well with me.
Truth be told 15 years ago many of the gogo gals looked every bit as good as most coyotes do now. All the coyote thing has done is add another level of expense.
Enjoy it while it lasts, because sooner than you think the gals in the gogos will be making enough money dancing and will not have to go with customers at all. Some of the long time bar owners I know see this as the future. Lap dancing bars like the US.
Again, it is all about the economy and salaries in Thailand. The FL scene was amazing here after the crash until the mid-'00's. I hardly ever took a full time P4 P gal back then. Now I rarely take a FL gal due to huge disappointments over the past few years. They don't want to kiss, don't want to be fingered, want to blow me with a condom, don't want to be eaten, etc. And when I pop up, call off the session, and get dressed, and leave 'them 100 baht they look so confused. I explain to them that I expect sex like in a porno or like with their boyfriend and they look completely dumbfounded. I am the one who is amazed. Dudes actually accept this service and pay for it? Luckily I still have a few oily gals that are ok to look at and perform like nymphomaniac porn stars. They will tell you stories about their sexual exploits, finger themselves in all holes, love to be rimmed and to rim, and seem to live for down and dirty sex. My kind of gal. I will add that most of these gals are late 20s and up. The younger ones just have not hit their sexual stride. Hey, I love looking at those early 20 gals but have found most to be pretty useless between the sheets. Last thing I want to do is train. I want a very experienced gal.
Scenes change, and you are getting less service for more money planet wide. It is not just a phenom with the Thai P4 P scene. The above mentioned saunas are one of the few places that take the time to train their gals and where you will get expert service and great looks.
So glad I was able to experience the end of the golden era here and in Cambo. It was really fun. Guess that is one of the main elements missing from the scene now. The fun. Your paragraph about baht per thrust just hammers that point home. Every night used to be a party; whether in gogos, Thermae, or Nana Disco. Gals would go out, party, and most nights make 1k. Now it is all about business. And it becomes work for the punter as well.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1629819]Guess I have gone the other way as I age. I will take a 7 who performs like a 10 over a 10 that performs like a 7. I have very little use for gals that don't perfect their skill set.[/QUOTE]I agree here as I hold attitude / performance twice as important as looks. Mathematically it looks like this:
Looks 10 and performance 7: ((10 x1)+(7*2))/3 = 8 overall.
Looks 7 and performance 10: ((7 x1)+(10 x2))/3 = 9 overall.
SL.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1629795]I know this report will make some guys angry. I don't care.
Taking freelancer girls is a risk. I hardly ever see stunning ones. A few good looking ones spotted in Nana car park, but I hardly ever go there. Never really saw a stunner in Beergarten however only went a limited number of times. I don't have time and energy to do discos much. Maybe Bangkok Beat is a good option for me.Convenient and small and not too dark.
Being a free lancer or indeed a working girl is quite dangerous. There are significant numbers of cases of girls being beaten up or even murdered. So not getting paid is not the worst thing that can happen to a girl. The customer can seem charming at first.
I know of working girls that largely focus on their regular customers, and are reluctant to take a guy who they only just met. On of my very pretty bargirls, has a long list of regulars, and says she hardly takes on an unknown guy. She will know pretty much how long the guy will take for ST, how much HE will pay, etc. And be able to weigh up whether this customer is helping optimize her earnings per hour and per thrust. She is willing to take a very good customer for several days at a non-optimal rate, even though she knows she could make more money, since she will get some rest from the pounding..[/QUOTE]Suzies Wongs girls must be in the bottom 5% as far as looks go. Maybe its the lighting?
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1629856]I agree here as I hold attitude / performance twice as important as looks. Mathematically it looks like this:
Looks 10 and performance 7: ((10 x1)+(7*2))/3 = 8 overall.
Looks 7 and performance 10: ((7 x1)+(10 x2))/3 = 9 overall.
SL.[/QUOTE]10's don't perform anywhere near a 7. And where are you finding 10's in the 1st place. Even 7's are har to find.
Lots of 4's, 5's, and 6's!
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1629856]I agree here as I hold attitude / performance twice as important as looks. Mathematically it looks like this:
Looks 10 and performance 7: ((10 x1)+(7*2))/3 = 8 overall.
Looks 7 and performance 10: ((7 x1)+(10 x2))/3 = 9 overall.
SL.[/QUOTE]Spot on. Love your math sir!
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1629795]I know this report will make some guys angry. I don't care.
Taking freelancer girls is a risk. I hardly ever see stunning ones. A few good looking ones spotted in Nana car park, but I hardly ever go there. Never really saw a stunner in Beergarten however only went a limited number of times. I don't have time and energy to do discos much. Maybe Bangkok Beat is a good option for me.Convenient and small and not too dark.........................[/QUOTE]Syzygies, in all my years of having fun in LOS, I have never taken a girl from gogo places and very few from a bar. In fact, never been inside a gogo place, because the first one I tried to go into, turned me away. I was not farang enough. So that kind of pissed me off. I never had an issue with FLs and in fact quite a few of them became long time friends. A few from Thermae and none from Nana.
As part of a larger trip I allowed myself a couple of days in BKK as its always fun and you just never know what will happen.
Arrived in hotel on soi 24 at 1 am, and feeling thirsty, I needed a beer. Walked to 7-11 and the beer freezer is locked. Thanks new government. Decided against replying to the mass of " people nearby" who were contacting me on wechat as most seemed to be ladyboys. Headed for bed alone.
Next day, bright and fresh, got my supplies of kamaga and went in search of happiness.
Walked up and down the small street of massage places between soi 24 and soi 26. Saw an interesting face, that wasnt pretty but was expressive.
Opted for a 90 minute session that was in a nice secluded upper floor area far way from anyone else.
The girl I chose had great English and as we talked it turned out she had back packed in Laos and Myanmar and was interesting with good english.
Eventually there was some accidental touching and I assured her, that all was good. A kiss or three followed, some nipple play by me bought about some gasps from her, and she responded with some great ball kissing and then one of my top 3 blow jobs ever. It was soo good. Gave a tip and advised said lady I would be back at 1 am to take her home. She was fine with that.
I had a wechat date arranged with a girl working in a Sukhumvit hotel, but couldn't find her in Asok as planned so was fine to do the normal Cowboy Nana routine.
Went back to the soi to meet the massage girl at about 1245. Some very large rats running around there, and a few boys on bikes picking up their ladies who had done a shift in the more japanese mps.
Took lady home and had a great blow again and a happy HJ in the morning. She was on period at the time.
As we had got on really well, with lots of laughter and smiles and great blow jobs (the porn star type, where she looks intensely in your eye as she's slurping and ball squeezing) I asked her on the spur of moment if she would like to join me in Pattaya a week later. She agreed. Taking a girl to Pattaya? Coals to Newcastle. Read on in PP and Pattaya section.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1629786]I find long wordy reports that are not about the girl or the monger place, rather touristy experiences in Thailand, are the most boring reports. E. g. What he had for breakfast or booking the Hotel, travelling from the airport, etc. Would be great if the rambling reports not about the girls were in a special thread. However we do have the right to just skim over them or avoid reading them altogether, so if it entertains the bored people, why not?
Anyway, I encourage people to use the General Thread for stuff not really about mongering in Bangkok, or keep it fairly brief.[/QUOTE]Syzygies.
With all due respect.
What you find boring may be of help / interest to others. None of us are in the position to direct other posters on what to post, where to post nor dictate proper post size & approved content.
If a post is inappropriate Jackson will deal with it. You bring a wealth of mongering related experience. It's our loss you choose not share more of your combined experiences.
Guido88.
Anyone know why the dear old Daily Mail (English newspaper) has been banned in Thailand. Well at least the online version has as of my last trip.
[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1630139]Anyone know why the dear old Daily Mail (English newspaper) has been banned in Thailand. Well at least the online version has as of my last trip.[/QUOTE]A few months ago the Daily Mail included a YouTube video related to Thailand that was unacceptable and has been blocked since.
[QUOTE=Guido88;1630114]Syzygies.
With all due respect.
What you find boring may be of help / interest to others. None of us are in the position to direct other posters on what to post, where to post nor dictate proper post size & approved content.
Guido88.[/QUOTE]I agree with you. I don't dictate anything. I merely suggest the forum would be better if non monger reports were in the general thread, so that people who don't want them don't have to go over them.
Also I just state what bores me. Its like casting a vote. I know it doesn't bore everyone. Others are welcome to say they love that touristy stuff.
So no need to be concerned about me giving my opinion. Everyone can give an opinion. We will never have everyone having the same view.
[QUOTE=Duniawala;1629945]Syzygies, in all my years of having fun in LOS, I have never taken a girl from gogo places and very few from a bar. In fact, never been inside a gogo place, because the first one I tried to go into, turned me away. I was not farang enough. So that kind of pissed me off. I never had an issue with FLs and in fact quite a few of them became long time friends. A few from Thermae and none from Nana.[/QUOTE]Yes no worries. Each has their own preferences. I don't have anything against nice freelancers. I used to do Thermae girls a lot many years ago. I just gradually drifted away from free lancers due to different requirements, and difficulties to find what I was looking for.
[QUOTE=Steve7777;1629857]Suzies Wongs girls must be in the bottom 5% as far as looks go. Maybe its the lighting?[/QUOTE]You have to learn to ignore the ugly ones. 90 to 95% don't interest me. There is one stunner and a few other acceptable girls, when they turn up. I you want great bodies with big tits included, its not the best place.
There are a lot of over weight young girls, who obviously have poor diet. I ignore those. I get very good performances and a lot of fun, from some acceptable (moderately pretty faced) looking girls there.
A number of bars have a very small number of good looking girls. Crazy House has a much bigger share of lookers, but finding a good performer is more difficult. Many girls are too young and not experienced.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1629819]Truth be told 15 years ago many of the gogo gals looked every bit as good as most coyotes do now. All the coyote thing has done is add another level of expense.
Enjoy it while it lasts, because sooner than you think the gals in the gogos will be making enough money dancing and will not have to go with customers at all. Some of the long time bar owners I know see this as the future. Lap dancing bars like the US.
[/QUOTE]I don't agree that gogo girls used to look as good as all the Coyote girls now, unless its the very plain Coyote girls, but I do agree that Coyote is a bad thing wrecking the gogo bar scene. I don't like Coyote bars nor to watch Coyote dancers. Coyote type hip gyrations do not do anything for me. I hate girls wearing bras or frilly stuff at the waist. Really spoils the curves. Even 25 years ago, the number of stunning bar girls was limited. I still have some old printed photos of some of them from that era. They were not that special looking, even though I would having being trying to select the prettiest. To a newbie it looked like a stunning array. We just weren't used to it.
Doll House is acceptable in that they have a very limited number of Coyote girls taking turns to dance outside front of house, and you can still bar fine them. However it's a pretty shitty bar all up. Its decline is probably mostly due to owner, manager, mamasan, and too many silly rules.
I also agree that most bars are not very exciting and not worthy of a regular visit, unless you go to get specific girls, or just to relax and perve while taking a drink or too. I am warped in that I still like looking at naked girls, even if won't be fucking them. Its a strange addiction. However in Crazy House I see plenty of other regular faces of guys with similar addiction. I have probably only BFed 4 girls where I was happy with the performance (not PSE). I have probably also taken 4 different girls that were not good enough to be worthwhile. It's not great odds, but can repeat good ones. I know several reliable girls at Suzi Wong though and like to take threesomes from there. Haven't tried a new girl at SW for a fairly long time.
I don't have the addiction to keep trying new girls. 90% of time I am repeating known girls. No great risk. I know what to expect.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1630180]I don't agree that gogo girls used to look as good as all the Coyote girls now, unless its the very plain Coyote girls, but I do agree that Coyote is a bad thing wrecking the gogo bar scene. I don't like Coyote bars nor to watch Coyote dancers. Coyote type hip gyrations do not do anything for me. I hate girls wearing bras or frilly stuff at the waist. Really spoils the curves. Even 25 years ago, the number of stunning bar girls was limited. I still have some old printed photos of some of them from that era. They were not that special looking, even though I would having being trying to select the prettiest. To a newbie it looked like a stunning array. We just weren't used to it.
Doll House is acceptable in that they have a very limited number of Coyote girls taking turns to dance outside front of house, and you can still bar fine them. However it's a pretty shitty bar all up. Its decline is probably mostly due to owner, manager, mamasan, and too many silly rules.
I also agree that most bars are not very exciting and not worthy of a regular visit, unless you go to get specific girls, or just to relax and perve while taking a drink or too. I am warped in that I still like looking at naked girls, even if won't be fucking them. Its a strange addiction. However in Crazy House I see plenty of other regular faces of guys with similar addiction. I have probably only BFed 4 girls where I was happy with the performance (not PSE). I have probably also taken 4 different girls that were not good enough to be worthwhile. It's not great odds, but can repeat good ones. I know several reliable girls at Suzi Wong though and like to take threesomes from there. Haven't tried a new girl at SW for a fairly long time.
I don't have the addiction to keep trying new girls. 90% of time I am repeating known girls. No great risk. I know what to expect.[/QUOTE]I was always a fan of new girls. Often doing at least one to two new ones per week for my first 7 or so years here. Now that is not so easy. Of course I only partake about 3 times a month. Just not as fun really.
Been to CH a couple of times. I'll admit, some ok looking gals in there, but well, most are just a bit too young for my tastes.
[quote=goatscrot;1630219]i was always a fan of new girls. often doing at least one to two new ones per week for my first 7 or so years here. now that is not so easy. of course i only partake about 3 times a month. just not as fun really.
been to ch a couple of times. i'll admit, some ok looking gals in there, but well, most are just a bit too young for my tastes.[/quote]there are some older girls too. one with chin length hair an sillies looks about 40 perhaps only 35. business is down with no nude dancing, but no knickers.
another theory about the reason fir lack of nudity, is that army are mixed with the police now, so bribing police is less easy. it is assumed that **** girls are not turning up to work, but i can't prove that.
[quote=syzygies;1630287]there are some older girls too. one with chin length hair an sillies looks about 40 perhaps only 35. business is down with no nude dancing, but no knickers.
another theory about the reason fir lack of nudity, is that army are mixed with the police now, so bribing police is less easy. it is assumed that **** girls are not turning up to work, but i can't prove that.[/quote]my target age is mid-20's to early 30's. things are a changin' in thailand. that is for sure. will it last? who knows. business is down all over, not just in the p4p scene.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1620053]Isn't it strange that some mongers find beauty, fun and happiness wherever they go and some others will only see and experience ugliness, bad service and trouble?
Are Natty Bumpo and OldBugger talking about the same city?[/QUOTE]Wolvenvacht,
I find your response in Pattaya report highly friendly I want to answer you on question here. I tend to only write if I have a bad experience. When things are good I don't write. I have not felt to report on 100's of good experiences in Europe and US (I have had bad there too and reported on them on account I forget). When one of the working girls give me a hard time I want to cry for everyone to know, when I am happy as is most the case I am just happy. I also like Thailand a lot 15 years before but now every time I go, and I keep going because of memories, I find that they put fat fucks everywhere?! Always hanging at least little from stomach or from the side most not like whale but what I used to love in Thailand was good body? Is good for fuck? Maybe is a bit about expectations concerning your questions if you put the 90% the woman from Thailand in good brothel Berlin Nevada Sydney people would be so angry they will never go back!! It was not this way 15 year ago. Is the Thai are getting less guest friendly putting all their ugly daughters for the sex work!! IS a disgrace if you ask for me? I can go to Bangkok again for suckyfuck because can browse for 3 or 5 good girls of 500 in that scene but other I only go back swim in the beach drink of the coconut. I don't ever want to go Pattaya because make me depressed with the women 95% should be in atrocity museum and few silly doll face only shake ass outside don't take it in the pussy?
[QUOTE=OldBugger;1630356]Wolvenvacht,
I find your response in Pattaya report highly friendly I want to answer you on question here. I tend to only write if I have a bad experience. When things are good I don't write. [/QUOTE]"The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women". That means many of us don't want to hear just your crying / complaining, but something more useful.
If you post mostly positive reports, then negatives will become more believable. Otherwise you could paint yourself as a person who just looks for trouble and rubs people up the wrong way. Some of us are mostly having a pretty good time and write accordingly. The best reports for me are those that recommend a particular place or girl and go into enough detail that I would have a clue if I would be interested in the same or similar thing to try out.
There is a special thread called "Places to Avoid" specially intended for complaints about bad places.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1630623]"The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women". That means many of us don't want to hear just your crying / complaining, but something more useful.
If you post mostly positive reports, then negatives will become more believable. Otherwise you could paint yourself as a person who just looks for trouble and rubs people up the wrong way. Some of us are mostly having a pretty good time and write accordingly. The best reports for me are those that recommend a particular place or girl and go into enough detail that I would have a clue if I would be interested in the same or similar thing to try out.
There is a special thread called "Places to Avoid" specially intended for complaints about bad places.[/QUOTE]Good point!
[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1630139]Anyone know why the dear old Daily Mail (English newspaper) has been banned in Thailand. Well at least the online version has as of my last trip.[/QUOTE]I don't know. The past week or so msn USA and Canada has been substituted or redirected to a Thai language site of msn. Something to do with the recent Hong Kong protests, perhaps?
Hi guys!
Having posted some useful (I hope) posts on my home country Latvia, I 'd be happy to have some fresh advise on Thailand.
Basically it would be a trip in January to Bangkok, but further most of time a Beach holiday.
If you can, please make it short for me and you, by answering below key points:
1. Of course. Best City / district for finding girls. But in particular. If you can distinguish daily prostitutes from, say, students who go out only on weekends to "find a descent man"?
2. Is there much difference between Bangkok or any other Cities / Resorts in terms of variety of girls? Top destinations?
3. Do you think we it would be a big problem if we actually as a Couple (me and my GF) try to "charter" a Thai girl for night or week?
4. Do you recommend any dating sites before our trip, or street-action is way to go?
5. Price range. Overnight or longer?
Just to give little idea, on what we are looking for. Couple years ago we were in Cambodia capital Phom-Penn. And there we went out to central bars where usual businessman and students go (not a beach resort prostitution type of thing). And so. In those parties we found best girls so far. Very beautiful, welcoming and not expensive. We actually gave them money at the end by our own initiative. This experience was way different from usual prostitution. It was like visiting a 2nd girlfriend in Cambodia for a week. So this is what we look for in Thailand this time. First time.
[QUOTE=Abagneil;1630677]
2. Is there much difference between Bangkok or any other Cities / Resorts in terms of variety of girls? Top destinations?
[/QUOTE]Bangkok may have higher standard girls. Pattaya may be cheaper.
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3. Do you think we it would be a big problem if we actually as a Couple (me and my GF) try to "charter" a Thai girl for night or week?
[/QUOTE]Try to get one for a short time first. If that is very good, can try for the night. Its crazy to take anyone for a week till you know them well. Try some bar like Suzi Wong or Massage place like Annies or Dr BJ Nuru and ask what bi-sexual girls they have. Suzi Wong has girls quite used to licking pussy. "Dtom" thinks she is good at it. I would not know (as don't have a pussy) but her BJ is good. Take out from a massage place could be a bit expensive, however I know Annies has a lesbian / bi-sexual (short hair with big tits) and I know Dr. BJ Nuru has a bi-sexual as well (slim small tits) named Phat (sounds like putt).
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4. Do you recommend any dating sites before our trip, or street-action is way to go?
[/QUOTE]As you can see above there are other options.
[QUOTE=Steve7777;1629857]Suzies Wongs girls must be in the bottom 5% as far as looks go. Maybe its the lighting?[/QUOTE]Checked out Suzi tonight. I was looking for a threesome. Even the mamasan admits most girls (close to all) are ugly. Only 2 or 3 doable, for my picky taste. Best looker in the house is away in the temple for "Awk Phansaa". Won't be back for at least a week. Another favourite Knot is also away for a few days. Her nice looking sister Em is missing. Bo is not working at all. Yao also away. Known girls are very limited. Mint is highly recommended by one waitress for good service, but her figure is not quite my spec. Face looks very nice though. One or two other girls generally considered quite cute but I haven't tried them before.
At 9:30 PM they decided to risk getting the girls naked. Scouts have a whistle in case Police approach. Its quite a shock when some girls take the bra off and reveal a bad set of sillies. Hey, Paul Kausch hasn't posted recently I think. His "hour glass" girl was there, with sillies, thick thighs, thick hips, flattish ass, not skinny at all. Not my taste, however many guys think she looks okay I could prefer a slim girl with no tits over a girl built like a tank. So tastes vary a lot. Paul would probably say my favourite girl (not present) has no meat on her, being many kilos less, only A cups.
At 10 pm They commenced doing a small number of shows. Magic appearing flower show, lesbian show, and I did not stay for any more shows, as one of my girls came from the lesbian show (a normal choice of mine).
Bar was quite quiet till girls got gear off and then customers started increasing to reasonable numbers. A lot of touristy types.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1630759]Checked out Suzi tonight. Best looker in the house is away in the temple for "Awk Phansaa". Won't be back for at least a week... my favourite girl (not present) has no meat on her, being many kilos less, only A cups.
[/QUOTE]S, as you know, I really dig your "Awk Phansaa" princess. She has got a smoking hot spinner body, a beautiful face, and a wonderful smile. But don't tell anyone about her. LOL. I will put it this way; any punter who happens to find himself in SW when she is working the stage will instantly know who we are talking about. Even Paul! Only D Cups would have a contrary opinion. 555.
Look, most girls in most Go Go's are not duable IMHO, although some girls may grow on you if you give them a chance because they possess warm winning personalities. It has always been that way. I went to my first BKK Go Go in 1989. I distinctly remember there were 2 stunners on the stage. I didn't give a fig about the rest of the 25 girls. I barfinned one of the 2 hot girls and she showed me a great time. So I consider a Go Go pretty good if I am attracted to say 15% of the girls. No, what am I saying? If a bar has 1 girl I like, I like that bar and will keep coming back, but in my book, a really good bar has to have at least 4 or 5 pretty girls each with good personalities in order to make the grade.
[QUOTE=OldBugger;1630356]I also like Thailand a lot 15 years before but now every time I go, and I keep going because of memories, I find that they put fat fucks everywhere?! Always hanging at least little from stomach or from the side most not like whale but what I used to love in Thailand was good body? Is good for fuck? Maybe is a bit about expectations concerning your questions if you put the 90% the woman from Thailand in good brothel Berlin Nevada Sydney people would be so angry they will never go back!! It was not this way 15 year ago. Is the Thai are getting less guest friendly putting all their ugly daughters for the sex work!! IS a disgrace if you ask for me? I can go to Bangkok again for suckyfuck because can browse for 3 or 5 good girls of 500 in that scene but other I only go back swim in the beach drink of the coconut. I don't ever want to go Pattaya because make me depressed with the women 95% should be in atrocity museum and few silly doll face only shake ass outside don't take it in the pussy?[/QUOTE]So in the "places to avoid" thread for Thailand maybe you should just put one word. Thailand.
When you've got KFC on every corner & HIV is now no longer plaquing LOS like 15 years ago, that means the girls are not going to be looking as deathly skinny anymore. It also means every time you had sex way back then you were flirting with the casket maker, like doing it with crack heroin injecting ladies of the street in 2014. Are you sure you want to go back to that?
As a close alternative to LOS of the 1990's but with much safer sex, I'd suggest Vietnam, a country that is about 2 decades behind Siam modernization, is not full of fast food joints, poorer than Thailand, & with hotter women.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1630797]
Look, most girls in most Go Go's are not duable IMHO, although some girls may grow on you if you give them a chance because they possess warm winning personalities. It has always been that way. I went to my first BKK Go Go in 1989. I distinctly remember there were 2 stunners on the stage. I didn't give a fig about the rest of the 25 girls. I barfinned one of the 2 hot girls and she showed me a great time. So I consider a Go Go pretty good if I am attracted to say 15% of the girls. No, what am I saying? If a bar has 1 girl I like, I like that bar and will keep coming back, but in my book, a really good bar has to have at least 4 or 5 pretty girls each with good personalities in order to make the grade.[/QUOTE]I agree. You have it right. Suzi failed to have 4 or 5 at the moment, may have come close for someone not too picky. Many of the preferred girls missing. Suzi was definitely at its best quite a while back when Sheba merged with Suzi Wong. Crazy House would have them for looks, but on the bed, I don't know. Some of the best girls from there are also currently missing.
I can go to Rainbow 4 (and did not that long ago), and fail to find 4 or 5 such girls, too. Some girls have pretty faces. Some have a good hot body. Some have neither, or wrecked by a bad nose job or tit job. Very few have both the face and the body. I don't confuse youth with beauty. No girl was really grabbing my attention last time for face, body, and personality, even if the average standard of looks was okay I can see that a guy who doesn't mind nose jobs and tit jobs will like R4, Baccara, Sharks, etc. But not for me. Crazy House has relatively little in nose and tit jobs. Mostly natural slim girls. Doll House is a crap bar but does have one or two cute fuckable girls, in amongst the fugglies. Same for Long Gun, etc. There are some stunning girls coming from various bars, its just that I usually end up the naked bars.
Above all, it makes a large difference to be to be able to see a girl naked, before choosing. No nasty shocks about how the body looks, when the gear comes off. Then you get to talk to girls for significant time before choosing, not like at an Oily. This is also critical to making a good choice for personality. Can also see how she will kiss by sneaking one in the bar. Can feel up her tits too just to be sure you are satisfied. The girl can feel your dick if she wants to make sure its not too large.
If girls at Oilies all had to Parade around naked, or wear only the tightest bodysuit or bikini, I would be happy. LOL. Actually I don't like to see girls wearing a bra. Tulip leotards were good in the old days. At Soapies its very tough to choose girls that are seated, as cannot see the bodies properly. I prefer to pick girls that have just walked out, as in standing position I can assess them better.
My Thai GF has a excellent curvy body and pretty good face, and is a very nice fuck too, just that its not quite frequent enough and she is no BBBJ expert. However its of little interest to go fuck someone no where near her standard. I can put up with small tits as long as not ugly, but I never choose an ugly nose or a mediocre ass. Those two are critical, but ass can only be checked properly when girl is naked. What a hassle this is.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1630808]So in the "places to avoid" thread for Thailand maybe you should just put one word. Thailand.
When you've got KFC on every corner & HIV is now no longer plaquing LOS like 15 years ago, that means the girls are not going to be looking as deathly skinny anymore. It also means every time you had sex way back then you were flirting with the casket maker, like doing it with crack heroin injecting ladies of the street in 2014. Are you sure you want to go back to that?
As a close alternative to LOS of the 1990's but with much safer sex, I'd suggest Vietnam, a country that is about 2 decades behind Siam modernization, is not full of fast food joints, poorer than Thailand, & with hotter women.[/QUOTE]Spot on for me too. I haven't been mongering in Thailand anymore for over 2 years (overpriced non service as a rule with exceptions).
I Just go there to see my dentist.
[QUOTE=Tiger888;1630859]Spot on for me too. I haven't been mongering in Thailand anymore for over 2 years (overpriced non service as a rule with exceptions).
I Just go there to see my dentist.[/QUOTE]Not sure why you even read the Thailand threads. HE was being satirical I think. So saying HE is spot on is sort of funny. I don't know why the forum software insists that "he" must be capitalised.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1630858]I agree. You have it right. Suzi failed to have 4 or 5 at the moment, may have come close for someone not too picky. Many of the preferred girls missing. Suzi was definitely at its best quite a while back when Sheba merged with Suzi Wong. Crazy House would have them for looks, but on the bed, I don't know. Some of the best girls from there are also currently missing.
I can go to Rainbow 4 (and did not that long ago), and fail to find 4 or 5 such girls, too. Some girls have pretty faces. Some have a good hot body. Some have neither, or wrecked by a bad nose job or tit job. Very few have both the face and the body. I don't confuse youth with beauty. No girl was really grabbing my attention last time for face, body, and personality, even if the average standard of looks was okay I can see that a guy who doesn't mind nose jobs and tit jobs will like R4, Baccara, Sharks, etc. But not for me. Crazy House has relatively little in nose and tit jobs. Mostly natural slim girls. Doll House is a crap bar but does have one or two cute fuckable girls, in amongst the fugglies. Same for Long Gun, etc. There are some stunning girls coming from various bars, its just that I usually end up the naked bars.
Above all, it makes a large difference to be to be able to see a girl naked, before choosing. No nasty shocks about how the body looks, when the gear comes off. Then you get to talk to girls for significant time before choosing, not like at an Oily. This is also critical to making a good choice for personality. Can also see how she will kiss by sneaking one in the bar. Can feel up her tits too just to be sure you are satisfied. The girl can feel your dick if she wants to make sure its not too large.
If girls at Oilies all had to Parade around naked, or wear only the tightest bodysuit or bikini, I would be happy. LOL. Actually I don't like to see girls wearing a bra. Tulip leotards were good in the old days. At Soapies its very tough to choose girls that are seated, as cannot see the bodies properly. I prefer to pick girls that have just walked out, as in standing position I can assess them better.
My Thai GF has a excellent curvy body and pretty good face, and is a very nice fuck too, just that its not quite frequent enough and she is no BBBJ expert. However its of little interest to go fuck someone no where near her standard. I can put up with small tits as long as not ugly, but I never choose an ugly nose or a mediocre ass. Those two are critical, but ass can only be checked properly when girl is naked. What a hassle this is.[/QUOTE]My issue with most gogo and most working girls these days is one thing; the majority look way too "jungle" to me. By jungle I mean that hard almost simian Isaan look. High cheekbones, dark skin, big mouth, and what appears to be 64 teeth. Under the "gogo lights" with makeup many of these flaws are covered up. But get them back under regular light and take off that makeup and whoops, different gal.
In the oilies most of the gals have a lighter skin and look well, quite a bit less simian. Also I find the oily girls to be far better in the manners department. Many gogo gals treat customers rudely and with contempt, but of course without the customers even knowing it. The gals are constantly taking the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] out of customers in gogos. It is actually funny to watch, even funnier if you understand a bit of Isaan. In oilies and soapies you are treated with a bit of respect. And yes, that does make a difference to me.
But yes, I would love to see gals with looks like you see in Macau saunas in oilies.
Reading past posts from Thailand my expectations are downgrading.
I'd choose Thailand (from what I have heard) only to have girls who are skinny / slim / petite. You name it. But if, as I read 95%, of those are fat and ugly then I guess I would not try Thailand, not even for this first time I was going, but will go back to Cambodia again.
Cheers
For some of the guys using we chat listen to this story and then beware. Was in the mood for some strange and started playing we chat. No time to chat it up so there are always a few ladies who are very blunt about what they want. For example business only or even saying call girl or escort. One of the girls who was advertising escort replied to me right away. We negotiated our deal and time for the next evening. The next night I was late getting home because of traffic so I suggested we postpone until the next night. She got very pushy all of a sudden about the name of my condo or hotel. It got so annoying to the point I just gave her a fake name of of my condo. I then said we will meet tomorrow. What does this crazy girl do? She tells me she is on her way and will wait in the lobby. I tell her I will be very late and not to go. I then continue driving and ignore my phone. I arrive to my condo about 1130 and check my phone. This crazy girl has gone to the lobby of the fake condo name I have her. She tells me she thinks I am there. She says let her in. She says she has showed my photo to security and he says I am home LOL. I say you are crazy. Then she shows me a photo of a policemen in the same building and threatens me with him. Policemen even sends voice message on we chat to me. Anyways it is clearly a scam where this fake or real cop will try to extort money from you so beware. She was so stupid to send me her photos and the cops so I have my ass covered. But I am sure many others fell for her game and paid big at their condo.
Love this place! I have been 2 times and always picked a pure porn star for LT. LT is 4000 but you can get them down to 3000 if it is near closing. Number 36, and 83 are stunners with huge tits! These girls are easy going and don't push for condoms if that's your thing.
Enjoy!
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1630876]My issue with most gogo and most working girls these days is one thing; the majority look way too "jungle" to me. By jungle I mean that hard almost simian Isaan look. High cheekbones, dark skin, big mouth, .[/QUOTE]You are just describing looks I like. I haven't been in Thailand for 6 years, but will return next week. Mostly travelling with family, but caqn travel up to 5 days alone. Am really courious if the scene has really deterioted. I first visited Thailand in 91 and can't say that 2008 was worse. Even then everybody was talking about the good old times. I will give you my comments on 2014.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1631024]Love this place! I have been 2 times and always picked a pure porn star for LT. LT is 4000 but you can get them down to 3000 if it is near closing. Number 36, and 83 are stunners with huge tits! These girls are easy going and don't push for condoms if that's your thing.
Enjoy![/QUOTE]Very low price for long time. But the risk is higher also. Buyer beware of girls who don't insist on condoms.
I'd pass if it were free.
[QUOTE=Abagneil;1630943]Reading past posts from Thailand my expectations are downgrading.
I'd choose Thailand (from what I have heard) only to have girls who are skinny / slim / petite. You name it. But if, as I read 95%, of those are fat and ugly then I guess I would not try Thailand, not even for this first time I was going, but will go back to Cambodia again.[/QUOTE]Camdodia might be a better bet for skinny. Higher HIV rates, poorer, so less well fed & more malnourished, all helps in that regard.
OTOH I'm guessing they're a bit more infiltrated by fast food businesses than Vietnam.
Nevertheless I found my dream slim petite girl at the NPL a couple times recently. Never found one that hot before in 7 years.
It always surprises me at the 20 ish stunners who are there waiting, waiting, waiting, with no one scooping them up immediately. I'm sure a lot of guys are afraid to take them, concerned they are too young, even though they have identification. Many others guys are intimidated by girls that hot due to the relative comparison with their own looks or age. Or they think they won't get the service they want. Or they prefer a curvy lass with some ass tits & cushion for the pushing.
Or they think street girls are more dangerous for theft or STI. Interestingly the latest UNAIDS report showed non venue HIV rates were lower (at about 1.3 percent) in a couple areas of Thailand than those of venues (for example MP's gogos bars). A lot of freelancing girls just work part time, such as a couple I met recently near NEP, & have regular jobs or are students, so they're safer than your average FT working girl. The time of the month when rents become due is prime for picking up such.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1631159]Camdodia might be a better bet for skinny. Higher HIV rates, poorer, so less well fed & more malnourished, all helps in that regard.
OTOH I'm guessing they're a bit more infiltrated by fast food businesses than Vietnam.
Nevertheless I found my dream slim petite girl at the NPL a couple times recently. Never found one that hot before in 7 years.
It always surprises me at the 20 ish stunners who are there waiting, waiting, waiting, with no one scooping them up immediately. I'm sure a lot of guys are afraid to take them, concerned they are too young, even though they have identification. Many others guys are intimidated by girls that hot due to the relative comparison with their own looks or age. Or they think they won't get the service they want. Or they prefer a curvy lass with some ass tits & cushion for the pushing.
Or they think street girls are more dangerous for theft or STI. Interestingly the latest UNAIDS report showed non venue HIV rates were lower (at about 1.3 percent) in a couple areas of Thailand than those of venues (for example MP's gogos bars). A lot of freelancing girls just work part time, such as a couple I met recently near NEP, & have regular jobs or are students, so they're safer than your average FT working girl. The time of the month when rents become due is prime for picking up such.[/QUOTE]Personally I have found the performance of NPL gals to be lacking in the last few years. Have had to call off several sessions. Eventually I just gave up on it. And yes, I do prefer some curves and also want a very experienced gal.
[QUOTE=Steve7777;1631090]Very low price for long time. But the risk is higher also. Buyer beware of girls who don't insist on condoms.
I'd pass if it were free.[/QUOTE]May I inquire about what the price of LT should be Steve? If 3000 and 4000 is too low then what do you consider the going rate? 6000 THB?
[QUOTE=Abagneil;1630943] But if, as I read 95%, of those are fat and ugly then I guess I would not try Thailand, not even for this first time I was going, but will go back to Cambodia again.
Cheers[/QUOTE]95% is highly exaggerated. There are still lots of nice looking slim girls to be found in Thailand. It will only take a bit more time and effort to find them compared to say 5 or 10 years ago.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1631024]Love this place! I have been 2 times and always picked a pure porn star for LT. LT is 4000 but you can get them down to 3000 if it is near closing. Number 36, and 83 are stunners with huge tits! These girls are easy going and don't push for condoms if that's your thing.
Enjoy![/QUOTE]I have to be very sceptical about porn star for LT for 3000 Baht in Crazy House. Sounds like you exaggerate. 2000 was lowest I have heard of for ST. A girl would need to be desperate to do LT for 3K. 4K maybe. Many girls are asking for 5K. Don't know if they manage to get it often or not. I have had girls that did not quote a price, even for long time, if there was a really excellent chemistry. In my experience, its very hard to find a porn star type for service in Crazy House. You may have got lucky. There are a limited number of girls with big tits. I am not good at recalling numbers.
Recently saw a new pretty girl leaving on her 2nd ST of the night and was only 10PM. I am sure there is no way she is going to do a LT unless the money is high. O.K. I admit that this is not a typical case. Always some girls are struggling to get enough customers, especially if they get reputation as a star fish.
[QUOTE=Abagneil;1630943] But if, as I read 95%, of those are fat and ugly then I guess I would not try Thailand, not even for this first time I was going, but will go back to Cambodia again.
Cheers[/QUOTE]You interpret wrongly. Only 5% of girls are interesting for a picky type of person. Does not mean that the remainder are fat and ugly. There are lots of reasons to reject a girl. Tastes vary. From photos of girls that other guys showed me, I still think the standard of looks in BKK is better than Phnom Penh, to my taste. I do know one stunning Cambodian girl here in Bangkok.
[QUOTE=Hermescali;1631040]You are just describing looks I like. I haven't been in Thailand for 6 years, but will return next week. Mostly travelling with family, but caqn travel up to 5 days alone. Am really courious if the scene has really deterioted. I first visited Thailand in 91 and can't say that 2008 was worse. Even then everybody was talking about the good old times. I will give you my comments on 2014.[/QUOTE]The good old times is somewhat mythical, maybe partially true. Certainly in the old days, what seemed like every little money to us, was huge money for girls. One of my early cowboy girls went for 400 baht for LT. She was not stunning by any means. However liked fucking and was very hard to get rid of her. Did not want to leave at all. She probably had never been treated well in her life before by a guy, but very immature. I got bored with her quickly.
My estimation, is that the looks have not changed that much, perhaps more chubby girls at a very young age who have bad diet, and less really stunning figures. One has to understand that guys try to steal away girls that are really super looking, so usually they don't last. Young girls eat more junk than in the old days. Girls are not so innocent as 20 years ago, starting fucking at a younger age, less easy to manipulate or impress. Still some very naïve young girls arriving in the bars, especially those who cannot speak English. More pretty girls drifting into stupid Coyote roles caused by "the Arab" in Soi Cowboy as its more glamorous and more socially acceptable. Some think they are so sexy that they don't need to fuck, but most of these Coyote bars don't seem to be making money. Cowboy 2 may be an exception as Coyote girls are barfineable at a steep price.
I think the looks of girls in the Oilies and Soapies has declined a little more than the looks of bar girls. Working an Oily is much harder work than being a bargirl, especially if the girl has top looks. Why not work a bar and get to choose your customers, who won't fuck you too viciously. Get customers who will take you out to dinner, the movies, or a music nightclub.
Recently went to Dr be. J. And girl warned me that only BJ would be available after a sore pussy from some guy with a huge rock hard dick who wanted to fuck significant time hard and with no gel too. Not being a guy who is satisfied with just BJ, that often, I had to take the poor girls' ass instead, which is not normal for me. She was relieved to be able rest her poor pussy. I do understand why girls work as BJ specialists to reduce wear and tear on the pussy. Its less of a problem for bar girls as they fuck much less than Oily girls, speaking of the top popular girls.
I never can understand how an Oily girl can manage 8 customers in a day, but has been heard of. A top bargirl can make 10 K in a single good day but with far less customers.
Hello,
I haven't been to a Go Go bar in many years.
Maybe this coming week I will have a chance to visit Soi Cowboy early evening.
Could someone update me on ST and barfine prices?
Reading here seems many Coyote places popped up. I would like to avoid them. Any suggested bar to visit? I will have a look at Suzie Wong but would like to have a second option too. (the few bars I used to know years ago seems to have become Coyote style).
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1631222]May I inquire about what the price of LT should be Steve? If 3000 and 4000 is too low then what do you consider the going rate? 6000 THB?[/QUOTE]Anyone notice Rainbow 2 is getting a lot more non-asian customers. Seems the bearded Iraqis are having a ball with the are. 2 girls-ok maybe not so much but the clientele is shifting.
3000 is fine for long time-esp. When you factor in the quality. The hot ones want no part of long time. If you want a good looking hot porn star for long time certainly at least 4,500 will do, possibly more.
P.S. I really wonder how many girls are enjoying our company -sexually speaking. I think many of you are just self promoting yourselves. Is sex with customers that satisfying for a prostitute? ONLY a customer would claim prostitutes are having multiple orgams due to their prowess.
Please forgive me I ve been reading for a couple of hours and looking for info on BK street scene. I see occasional reference but no real specific info on SW. I don't drink a lot and from what I read the bar scene has declined considerably. Ugly women and high prices. I prefer street girls. First trip to Thailand after many times in PI. The post I m reading don't sound encouraging. Should I avoid Thailand all together?
What is the difference between a coyote bar and a Go Go bar?
Just a heads up guys. Many spinners will head into the Beer Garden on Soi 7 as part timers 2 or 3 times a month when they need money. So yes some diamonds in the ruff can be found. I was able to pull a wonderful girl from here with no inhibitions. So persistence pays off.
[QUOTE=Francesco24;1631344]Hello,
I haven't been to a Go Go bar in many years.
Maybe this coming week I will have a chance to visit Soi Cowboy early evening.
Could someone update me on ST and barfine prices?
Reading here seems many Coyote places popped up. I would like to avoid them. Any suggested bar to visit? I will have a look at Suzie Wong but would like to have a second option too. (the few bars I used to know years ago seems to have become Coyote style).
Thanks![/QUOTE]In Cowboy, I suggest trying Crazy House (its around the corner in Soi 23), Suzi Wong at 10 PM for lesbian show, Bacarra, Shark, and Tilac. This will give you a good range so you can decide what you like. At the other end Five star and Country Road maybe worth a look for a completely different style. I personally don't like the style of girls in Bacarra and Shark, but others do, especially Japanese, who sometimes like a very artificial doll like look.
In Nana Plaza, can try Hot Lips, Angel Witch, Spankies and Rainbow 4. Watch out, there are several lady boy bars best avoided.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1631497]In Cowboy, I suggest trying Crazy House (its around the corner in Soi 23), Suzi Wong at 10 PM for lesbian show, Bacarra, Shark, and Tilac. This will give you a good range so you can decide what you like. At the other end Five star and Country Road maybe worth a look for a completely different style. I personally don't like the style of girls in Bacarra and Shark, but others do, especially Japanese, who sometimes like a very artificial doll like look.
In Nana Plaza, can try Hot Lips, Angel Witch, Spankies and Rainbow 4. Watch out, there are several lady boy bars best avoided.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot for the suggestions!
Could I also ask you about what is the going price for ST and barfine?
due to recent crackdown in cowboy, causing considerably reduced duration of full nudity, i decided to have a look at nana.
i am aware that spankies has some complete nudity but i don't really like the spanking, so decided to look some others. arrived at rainbow shortly after 8pm. stayed about half an hour. the girls were not very pretty. no. 4 looked o.k. but legs a bit big for me. i like slim thighs with gap. a couple of girls looked o.k. except for really horrible looking silicones. there were quite a few silly hair styles like japanese like. i soon realised that the cute one in the place was the waitress no. 223. i was about to call her over when some white haired farang walked in and called her over immediately plus one of the dancing girls that i did not fancy. at last a reasonably good looking dancer got up on stage but i recognised her. she was lai, previously worked at suzi wong. although fairly pretty no one at sw liked her as she was an actress, a bullshit artist, and exaggerated everything like a ladyboy would. i actually barfined her once in the past and quickly regretted it, due to the fake character acting. i decided to move on.
next went to check on rainbow 4. the standard of the figures in there is pretty good, a lot better than suzi wong, as there are no fat tummies, however there are thick thighs (a lot) and silicones are not uncommon. there are also fairly prevalent nose jobs. the faces mostly range from ugly to plain to very ordinary, to my taste. its partly due to the silly hairdos (similar to bacarra). a small number of o.k. faces including a girl i previously bfed who was crap on the bed.
no. 15 had slim thighs and a spectacular ass. she had chin length hair curving inward, that framed the face, and with a fringe could not see more than about 50% of the face peeking out. this made it quite hard to decide if she was pretty or not. i don't like that all the girls are wearing bras. i guess no. 15 had sillies but could not be 100% sure with a bra on. 108 looked reasonable, however i was not sold, especially with bra on. with two stages its very hard to see all the girls properly. i might have called no. 15 over for a drink to see if there was any chemistry but a japanese regular called to her faster. decided to move on.
next hot lips. i was immediately much more impressed here, despite the smaller line up. several girls looked doable. girls are more natural looking and i don't remember seeing any sillies at all, perhaps one girl. it helped that 50% were topless. some very nice tits on show. i called over noi, a girl i have known for maybe 3 years who used to work at doll house. she is slim toned, cute nose, small tits, but spectacular tight ass. no. 19 also had a great body and reasonable face, with only drawback being nose a little too big. there are some other cutish possibilities. i moved seats as the japanese guy i was sitting next to was making no effort at all to allow enough space for me and noi, despite plenty of spare on his other side. he had a very blank face and did not call any girl over. noi said this is typical japanese rudeness, but i would not know. i do have japanese friends that are not like that.
around 9pm or so, a girl walks into the bar (obviously very late). although she is fully clothed, i like her face immensely in the first second i see her. black hair, cute nose, teeth braces causing lips to pout a little, north eastern thai look. later call her over for a drink after she has danced a little. even though not topless it is evident she has very nice tits. maybe a b cup. only weak point is thighs are not that broad, causing waist to thigh ratio to be not as good as noi, and ass not as good as noi. however tits are definitely better than noi. both have cute little slightly upturned noses, not at all broad. her name is mint. seems a bit shy. this is soon cured somewhat with a couple of tequilas. she likes to drink and get slightly tipsy it seems. been in the bar just 2 months. apparently worked in some beer bar in soi 22 previously where an american took her out of the bar after only 2 to 3 weeks, but they later separated. she looks pretty hot to me. comes from mahaasarakham (the expected type of region). i can understand some guy pulling her away from the bar very quickly. in the end girls agree to me barfining them both for a threesome. this is strange as noi has never done a threesome with me before. she did not really know mint but has taken a fairly instant liking to her character.
we find this really nice looking short time hotel further up soi 4 in a little side soi past the 7 eleven, but on same side as np. the charge for room for 2 hours 2 girls is 500. this is much better than taking a st room in the np, where room is lower standard cramped, and lucky if you get 1 hour. noi has warned me that its the end of her period and there could be a tiny amount of blood. i warn her not to stuff a "luuk gai" (literally "chicken" but actually a sponge) up her pussy as she is naturally very tight and i don't want any obstacles to make it even more difficult to get in properly. actually she arned me "end of period", before bfing her.
everyone gets naked and showered and we get on the bed. mint is dfk kissing me extremely nicely, despite her braces, while noi blows me. neither girl smokes hooray! not having done mint before, i decide to do her first in case of any difficulties. a bout of daty first. i need not have worried. her pussy is an extremely good fit for me, she raises legs back in a very relaxed way, making the fucking very easy. she is into it too. you can feel the way she moves is getting some action on her clit. her soft moaning does not seem fake. noi is massaging my balls gently from behind while a fuck mint and i also use one hand to play with noi's pussy a little. i also keep kissing mint. she is just so lovely and doing everything to perfection. greatly enjoy mint in doggy position as well. i am sure i could have come but have not done noi yet.
noi has the tighter pussy of the two so i really should have done noi first. change condoms. have to penetrate noi gradually till her pussy expands. she has a squeezing pussy too which feels great. change to doggy with her also and finally blow my load. was a really great time i had and mint performed well beyond my expectations. would not have needed noi as backup. can't wait to do this tag team again, or when not possible, either one of the two will be fine. noi is older but mint is only 20. there was no lesbian action but i know these girls are not bi-sexuals, so no problem.
mint is really the prettier of the two. if i was a young man, i would really like to steal her away from the bar too. o.k. i don't really know her full character just yet, but she was a lot of fun, starting off just a little shy but not too much.
if you like more natural looking girls, and some very nice natural tits on display, i recommend hot lips bar. in the happy hour, i guess up to 9pm, you get two drinks for the price of one. one of the more crazy girls in the bar previously worked crazy house apparently, but not really my type. i will clearly return to hot lips before any other bar in nana plaza. its a very different style to rb4, and feels infinitely more friendly and fun for me. the music is pretty good for me too. i can't see myself going past noi and mint though. they were just too good for me in a gfe way (not pse).
i spent more money than visiting an oily, however its a long while since i found any girl as stunning as mint in an oily. it makes a significant difference to my enjoyment. i don't get the same thrill from fucking a plain looking porn star. mint is very good competition for the one stunning girl at suzi wong. she has better tits and is a more convincing gfe with better kissing than the sw stunner.
[QUOTE=Steve7777;1631373]P.S. I really wonder how many girls are enjoying our company -sexually speaking. I think many of you are just self promoting yourselves. Is sex with customers that satisfying for a prostitute? ONLY a customer would claim prostitutes are having multiple orgams due to their prowess.[/QUOTE]I am quite sure the girls don't get multiple earth shattering orgasms with every client. But on the other hand, there is no reason why they should not enjoy what they do, and sometimes they even willingly avoid to have an orgasm as it seems to drain their energy. This is the perfect proof that from time to time they do orgasm if they want to. Avoiding an orgasm seems to happen more with massage girls as they work a lot harder than your average bargirl or agogo-girl and they cannot wear themselves out too early in the day.
As with most other women, simple straight-up-and-down fucking does not give them an orgasm easily. They will need some clitoral or G-spot stimulation for that, but many of them are good actresses and as by magic reach their orgasm simultaneously with you. That is likely to be fake.
Personally I think that the majority of the bar or agogogirls I engaged for LT enjoyed the sex and many did reach orgasm, some already during foreplay when licking or fingering their pussy. Did they cum again when I fucked them? Probably only a very few did. But honestly I can say they generally enjoyed our romp. It is a job for them, but in Thailand even your work must be "sanuk"!
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Next Hot Lips.
If you like more natural looking girls, and some very nice natural tits on display, I recommend Hot Lips bar. [/QUOTE]Isn't Hot Lips the same a Go Go which got re-branded recently, it was known as something else earlier (and then something else before that). I happened to venture in on my last trip and this was the only a Go Go other than Spanky's which appeared to be open in NEP at the time and served alcohol post 12 am. Had couple of cute girls although it was a holiday (no alcohol day) and a severely depleted line up. Should have bar fined the girl I was sitting with.
Nice report regarding the girls at this place. Looks like you may have finally found an alternative to CH, or may be not?
[QUOTE=W20415;1631382]Please forgive me I ve been reading for a couple of hours and looking for info on BK street scene. I see occasional reference but no real specific info on SW. I don't drink a lot and from what I read the bar scene has declined considerably. Ugly women and high prices. I prefer street girls. First trip to Thailand after many times in PI. The post I m reading don't sound encouraging. Should I avoid Thailand all together?[/QUOTE]Try Soi 4, Soi 3, Nana Plaza Hotel Parking lot.
Pavement between Soi 3 and Soi 5.
In and out side Grace Hotel.
In Aran Restaurants between Soi 3 and Soi 5 you can find CIS primarily Uzbek, Columbian, Syrian etc.
[QUOTE=W20415;1631382]Please forgive me I ve been reading for a couple of hours and looking for info on BK street scene. I see occasional reference but no real specific info on SW. I don't drink a lot and from what I read the bar scene has declined considerably. Ugly women and high prices. I prefer street girls. First trip to Thailand after many times in PI. The post I m reading don't sound encouraging. Should I avoid Thailand all together?[/QUOTE]Specifically what specific info are you looking for? List your questions or particular interest areas.
If you can find the videos that I've posted from youtube or search Nana Hotel Parking Lot at the same site you may get an idea of what BKK street girls look like & whether or not you should "avoid Thailand all together".
[QUOTE=TempStories;1629071]Tried her today. She looks a Bengali with large eyes, cute looking school girl kind of face, very thin (not for people looking for big / medium size jugs). People from India will understand what girls from Bengal look like.
She is 2 weeks into the system. Apparently I was the first one in her ass and what a experience it was. She was almost crying but did not say anything to stop me. It took several attempts before making my way into her ass. But once I was inside, I was in no mood to come out. Spent 90 min for standard massage rate. Overall a great experience. With hits in a row, my regard for snow white has gone up.[/QUOTE]Bonus has been working at Snow White for years.
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Nice report regarding the girls at this place. Looks like you may have finally found an alternative to CH, or may be not?[/QUOTE]Crazy House still has its place, to watch girls dance naked, when Police situation allows. Usually not the best place to BF a girl though with the odd exception.
Hot Lips girls are only topless (some of them), G-strings don't hide the ass much so okay To enjoy the aesthetics of a girl's body even if not totally naked, however to get a pretty girl to fuck, yes Hot Lips becomes a "go to" bar. I don't see myself changing girls much there as already happy with the choice made. Better looking girls than Suzi Wong. I believe that Hot Lips was re-branded and may have changed concept and girls about 5 to 6 months ago. So if you went there a long time ago, its probably quite different now. Its near to RB4 but one LB bar in between I think.
I will obviously go in Suzi Wong much less. For a threesome including lesbian action, Suzi Wong will still be useful occasionally when some better girls return. Suzi Wong does have too many over weight girls, as I like them quite slim / skinny.
I could go to Rainbow just to check out the cute waitress again. RB4 just doesn't do it for me. I have been there several times over years, and never been that impressed by the weird looks. A plain face (typical) or fake face on a great body doesn't work for me. Face comes first for me, every time. Maybe the odd girl has looked a little interesting, but being over-dressed tends to kill my interest unless the face is stunning. This visit, no girl made it to the natural stunning category. I can see it's for guys (mostly Japanese) with a totally different girl spec.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1631537]I am quite sure the girls don't get multiple earth shattering orgasms with every client. But on the other hand, there is no reason why they should not enjoy what they do, and sometimes they even willingly avoid to have an orgasm as it seems to drain their energy. This is the perfect proof that from time to time they do orgasm if they want to. Avoiding an orgasm seems to happen more with massage girls as they work a lot harder than your average bargirl or agogo-girl and they cannot wear themselves out too early in the day.
[/QUOTE]Spot on. I pleased you are not so naïve as to believe a working girl never enjoyed herself, as well as taking the money. In my experience Thai girls are willing to have fun themselves more so than western hookers, especially the Thai girls who don't fuck that often. After a period of time away up country, they can return in a very horny mood. Its also quite difficult for them to resist being stimulated by a good DATY for example, and so some of them pull out of it to conserve energy as you say. Its a little similar to asking "Can a guy resist being stimulated by a really excellent BBBJ?" With a fair degree of difficulty.
There is a strong rumour that one girl in Snow White is very multi-orgasmic, getting many orgasms per day, and squirts as well leaving the bed rather wet. The rumour came from a reliable other working girl who used to work at SW. I did not get the name of the SW girl, but I am sure someone here will know who it is. Maybe I can ask the name next time. Someday I will try a squirter just for the experience, even though it doesn't massively appeal to me. Just curious.
[QUOTE=Francesco24;1631508]Thanks a lot for the suggestions!
Could I also ask you about what is the going price for ST and barfine?[/QUOTE]BF is usually 600 Baht and 700 Baht in some places. I don't like to discuss ST prices much as it starts price squabbles on the forum. I don't believe that better quality girls in bars do ST for 1500 any more. Perhaps the ugly ones do. I never take really low quality girls. Will probably need to be 2000, and some extra hot girls may require 2500. I don't really know precisely. If you are a newbie, girls may try very hard for more. There are plenty of times girls can get more than that especially from customers who know little or maybe very generous ones. We hear that Japanese pay very well. I haven't asked what they typically pay. It also depends for regular customers on how difficult the customer is.
If you are difficult and don't pay well enough, the girl will choose a different customer next time. I say this, because the very top girls can be choosy. They get so many offers. If you are a guy that pops after just a few minutes and use low total time, the girl may be happy with a lower amount.
I am sure the best Suzi Wong girl has different prices. One price for a quickie upstairs, a different one for a longer ST outside, a different one for a multi-day customer, etc. If the guy is hard pounder, she will just refuse him altogether. She doesn't need the damage. She tells me she hardly ever takes a new customer any more, she has so many regulars. I don't know if this is really true. Quiet business days do happen.
If you want the cheapest girls, you are better off in an Oily like Snow White, Cherry, Bamboo, Mango, etc. Bars are for choosing pretty faced girls with great bodies, beautiful asses, at a slightly higher price, in my opinion. When you choose in an Oily, you see the mostly plain faces, can't see the asses and inner thigh gap properly and only get some idea about the tits. The tits get much smaller once the push-up bra comes off.
[QUOTE=GlobalSurfer;1631559]Try Soi 4, Soi 3, Nana Plaza Hotel Parking lot.
Pavement between Soi 3 and Soi 5.
In and out side Grace Hotel.
In Aran Restaurants between Soi 3 and Soi 5 you can find CIS primarily Uzbek, Columbian, Syrian etc.[/QUOTE]Also further down Sukhumvit Road, roughly between Soi 13 and 19 and towards the Asok intersection. But only a dozen or so.
And occasionally also on the other side of Sukhumvit Road, the 'quiet' side, between Nana and Asok.
But most street walkers are to be found in Soi 4 near the Nana Hotel but usually only late in the evening / night. But again, don't expect hundreds of them and the 'quality' is mostly mediocre.
Also quite a lot of lady boys there, especially near the Dynasty Inn Hotel.
Pattaya is a much better and cheaper place for street walkers. Hundreds of them on Beach Road starting from +/- 7 PM.
[QUOTE=Beach1708;1631464]What is the difference between a coyote bar and a Go Go bar?[/QUOTE]Coyote girls are sexy but nevertheless fully dressed and will never go naked or show any more skin.
Go Go girls are hardly dressed and will often go half or fully naked.
In some bars you cannot bar fine Coyote girls or only for a steep price. They will only sit and chat with you and ask for expensive lady drinks.
Go Go girls are always bar finable (unless they are 'on mens' or similar excuses).
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1631647]If you want the cheapest girls, you are better off in an Oily like Snow White, Cherry, Bamboo, Mango, etc. Bars are for choosing pretty faced girls with great bodies, beautiful asses, at a slightly higher price, in my opinion. When you choose in an Oily, you see the mostly plain faces, can't see the asses and inner thigh gap properly and only get some idea about the tits. The tits get much smaller once the push-up bra comes off.[/QUOTE]Oily prices have not changed since their inception. Twas the same cost at Barons 10 years ago as it is now. Back then I thought they were expensive, and they were. At that time GoGo gals were 1 k ST with a 400 or 500 baht BF (less that 40 USD total at the time). Now GoGo gals are approaching the ridiculous. Over 100 USD ST for gal and BF. Nuts. Oilies are now the bargain.
To compare, back in '95 a ST in a TX-MEX border town was 40 USD on average. Now it is 50 USD.
Oily gals tend to have lighter skin, tend to be less "simian" facially, and IMHO are far more mannered and polite. Aside from the PSE shops, you will find gals that are IMHO better looking than the gals in the GoGos. Again, not in the PSE shops, but in some of the other shops along 24/1.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1631647]BF is usually 600 Baht and 700 Baht in some places. I don't like to discuss ST prices much as it starts price squabbles on the forum. I don't believe that better quality girls in bars do ST for 1500 any more. Perhaps the ugly ones do. I never take really low quality girls. Will probably need to be 2000, and some extra hot girls may require 2500. I don't really know precisely. If you are a newbie, girls may try very hard for more. There are plenty of times girls can get more than that especially from customers who know little or maybe very generous ones. We hear that Japanese pay very well. I haven't asked what they typically pay. It also depends for regular customers on how difficult the customer is.
If you are difficult and don't pay well enough, the girl will choose a different customer next time. I say this, because the very top girls can be choosy. They get so many offers. If you are a guy that pops after just a few minutes and use low total time, the girl may be happy with a lower amount.
I am sure the best Suzi Wong girl has different prices. One price for a quickie upstairs, a different one for a longer ST outside, a different one for a multi-day customer, etc. If the guy is hard pounder, she will just refuse him altogether. She doesn't need the damage. She tells me she hardly ever takes a new customer any more, she has so many regulars. I don't know if this is really true. Quiet business days do happen.
If you want the cheapest girls, you are better off in an Oily like Snow White, Cherry, Bamboo, Mango, etc. Bars are for choosing pretty faced girls with great bodies, beautiful asses, at a slightly higher price, in my opinion. When you choose in an Oily, you see the mostly plain faces, can't see the asses and inner thigh gap properly and only get some idea about the tits. The tits get much smaller once the push-up bra comes off.[/QUOTE]Thanks again for the detailed explanation.
Honestly my budget is quite limited and I mostly spend it in the PSE Oily shops (and mostly just the famous girls, like Ice I just briefly reviewed in the Tulip thread today) or just freelancers at slightly cheaper prices.
Anyway the GoGo would be a one time thing as usually I can't go out at night so if I find a nice girl I can pay a bit more once. Just wanted to have an idea of what to expect (to not feel scammed mostly.
By the way, when is the earliest time to go to a GoGo like Suzie Wong? If I arrive there at 19:30 there are girls already on stage / available?
Funny, as I went into Hot Lips for the first time. Don't waste your money. The best they got is below avg. Maybe as a group 3. 5. Currently they are giving 2 for 1 drink special so if that's what you after-go for it.
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Aside from the PSE shops, you will find gals that are IMHO better looking than the gals in the GoGos. Again, not in the PSE shops, but in some of the other shops along 24/1.[/QUOTE]I do check 24/1 regularly. I did not find any stunner recently. Last ones were Angie at Cherry and Bai Fern at Yoremichi. That is some time ago. So I don't agree. Stunners can be found in bars. Both face and body. Its not easy but possible. I suppose if I looked in many Oilies including for Japan customers only I might find something, but its not easy to devote time to survey all the Oilies.
Looks in Soapies have become more plastic in the modern times with too many nose jobs and tit jobs.
I don't consider the average looking types at either place, since they become somewhat invisible to me. I only focus on the best. I don't believe the lighter skin theory either.
PSE shops are dominated by Nakorn Phanom and nearby girls. Bar girls come from many locations. Oily girls probably similar. Obviously Buri Ram girls can be dark but not always.
Chiang Rai girls are more commonly in Soapies and probably are considered the best looking on average.
I think Khon Kaen and Udon girls are in bars more than in Oilies. They can be tall and pretty sometimes.
I think girls with really bad bodies will work in Oilies more than as go go as body will look terrible with clothes off. Ugly faces can be found anywhere. Last time at Tulip, T1234 and I were rather stunned by how horrible the line up was. We were really shocked. We may have picked an unlucky time. Never seen that bad in a bar recently. Really we would need to receive a lot of money to consider doing them. The decline is severe indeed since the days of Dao, Nestle, Yok, etc. or seemed so at the time.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1631202]Personally I have found the performance of NPL gals to be lacking in the last few years. Have had to call off several sessions. Eventually I just gave up on it. And yes, I do prefer some curves and also want a very experienced gal.[/QUOTE]Over the past 7 years I've occasionally kicked a street girl out when she was not providing what was agreed upon beforehand or expected minimum service or demanded payment upfront. Not on the present trip, though, with about 10 different NEP area street girls in the past month.
As these gals are generally not under a bar mamasan or pimp, but free & independent, & not in an MP where certain services like ass licking are required, ladies of the street have more liberty as to what they'll do with customers. So unless you have a regular girl who performs consistently every time you see her, a random street girl can offer everything from little or no service during a session to a PSE to sucking you nonstop for hours.
[QUOTE=Francesco24;1631708]By the way, when is the earliest time to go to a GoGo like Suzie Wong? If I arrive there at 19:30 there are girls already on stage / available?[/QUOTE]The girls in the Soi Cowboy agogo clubs start to arrive between 7 PM and 8 PM. At 7:30 PM it will not be crowded yet, but they may have a few girls on stage already and as soon as they are on stage they will be available. A number of girls, still wearing their street clothes will be in front of the building eating their evening fare. I don't think those will be available yet. Believe me, you don't want to separate a Thai girl from her food.
My fellow mongers,
Before writing this post I tried to figure out from the account settings how long I have been a member. I was not able to. Point being, I don't post often as I should.
Something happened tonight that I feel I should share so that all reading can beware. I have visited BKK six times in the last 10 months and will continue, due to my job. I love Thailand and the people, especially the women. My first visit today was Shark" at Soi Cowboy and had a blast. I met two beautiful gals (#57 and 118) that I will see later tonight or this week. "Shark "has some of the best looking gals I have seen so far. I paid a visit to Teen VIP massage yesterday on Sukhumvit 33 yesterday and did the deed with "Donna" whom I recommend both on looks and personality and performance. I also visited DR. BJ an choose "P" who performed well and was cute.
I have been a member of this site and WSG probably since 2006/2007. I travel to world due to my job in the transportation industry. I seldom post, but after today I will be more active.
After visiting Soi cowboy, I jump on the BTS and visited Nana plaza. I browsed around and went in a bought drink in two places on the second floor, I don't remember the names. I then proceeded to the first floor to Raibow 2. I was about to go in when the little Thai guy said it was members only. I ask how much the fee was, as I would have had no problem paying. He seemed edgy that I was questioning him. Then he proceeded to say in broken English that I should leave if I don't want any problems. I said "problems from who- you" and I turn and walked away. I then felt a blow to the back of my head while my back was turn. I then turn around quickly and confronted him asking why would you hit me while my back was turn? Then his friend showed up with a 1 x 2 stick that I grabbed and broke in half. I was not pissed, I was just annoyed. I ask him to try again while I was facing him then he ran inside the curtains. The guy whose stick I broke stood there with arms folded with another guy who should up. I asked if he wanted it back and I threw it at him towards his ankles. He ran inside also. The girls around who saw the ordeal had a look of shock on their face. Like that has never happened before. I am an American, but not white nor black. I mix well with all types except Asian. You can't tell with me.
I am more disappointed that pissed off of what happened because I love Thai. I don't want this experience to remain in my head so that's why I'm writing about it and I don't want fellow mongers to go thru this especially if you're easily intimidated or alone one day. Now I am an American, EX military, 6'1" 255 lbs. I can handle myself with tiny Thai dudes. So my advice, spend your money elsewhere, there are plenty of places in Bangkok. Stay away from Rainbow 2 at NANA Plaza.
Has anyone had this issue before??
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1631780]Over the past 7 years I've occasionally kicked a street girl out when she was not providing what was agreed upon beforehand or expected minimum service or demanded payment upfront. Not on the present trip, though, with about 10 different NEP area street girls in the past month.
As these gals are generally not under a bar mamasan or pimp, but free & independent, & not in an MP where certain services like ass licking are required, ladies of the street have more liberty as to what they'll do with customers. So unless you have a regular girl who performs consistently every time you see her, a random street girl can offer everything from little or no service during a session to a PSE to sucking you nonstop for hours.[/QUOTE]Pink, for my first seven or so years here I took FLs about 75% of the time. Have had hundreds of them. And I would say, "back in the day" 95% of my experiences were quite good. However, the past few years I have not been so fortunate. And I really don't have the patience these days to put up with even a 50% batting average. That is why unless I know the girl or have heard several good reports from friends who have similar tastes as me, I just don't go with FLs.
[quote=syzygies;1631733]i do check 24/1 regularly. i did not find any stunner recently. last ones were angie at cherry and bai fern at yoremichi. that is some time ago. so i don't agree. stunners can be found in bars. both face and body. its not easy but possible. i suppose if i looked in many oilies including for japan customers only i might find something, but its not easy to devote time to survey all the oilies.
looks in soapies have become more plastic in the modern times with too many nose jobs and tit jobs.
i don't consider the average looking types at either place, since they become somewhat invisible to me. i only focus on the best. i don't believe the lighter skin theory either.
pse shops are dominated by nakorn phanom and nearby girls. bar girls come from many locations. oily girls probably similar. obviously buri ram girls can be dark but not always.
chiang rai girls are more commonly in soapies and probably are considered the best looking on average.
i think khon kaen and udon girls are in bars more than in oilies. they can be tall and pretty sometimes.
i think girls with really bad bodies will work in oilies more than as go go as body will look terrible with clothes off. ugly faces can be found anywhere. last time at tulip, t1234 and i were rather stunned by how horrible the line up was. we were really shocked. we may have picked an unlucky time. never seen that bad in a bar recently. really we would need to receive a lot of money to consider doing them. the decline is severe indeed since the days of dao, nestle, yok, etc. or seemed so at the time.[/quote]yep, nakhom p gals dominate the pse shops. all stem from the original baron's girls. nakhon p girls tend to be a bit lighter skinned and and bit bigger bodied than girls from farther south in isaan. not dark like khmers.
i do find chiang rai and mai girls to be the most attractive in the country, albeit most are quite short. second for me would be either bkk / central gals or southern girls, who are a bit dark skinned, but have more malay features and fuller figures.
tulip has been in decline for a long time. and it seems the average age is getting on up there. i agree with you there.
it seems that better looking gals are gravitating to places where they have to perform less. of course so many dudes just accept what they get and pay "full price" even when the session was crap.
my pet peeve is gals who have had kids. just don't like 'them. always ask which girls have kids when i am at an oily. that thins the herd.
was in electric blue tonight. nanapong dance contest. you know the coyote gals there just don't interest me. too young, hard isaan faces, and most are too thin for me. a few good bodies, but the attitudes, yesh! gals think they are a gift to the world.
i still say that girls in gogos were better looking in 99 when i moved here. far more stunners (and more gals from the far north). and definitely better attitudes.
truthfully syn, i partake less and less now. probably only about 3 times a month. why? because it is harder and harder for me to find a decent mix of looks and performance and i get tired of doing the same gal over and over again. many times i do a walk of the pses and i'm hornier than a three-peckered billy goat, but the gals there are so physically unappealing that i just end up heading home. i would be just as frustrated if i took a "pretty" gogo gal and she would not rim or get nasty like a pse shop gal. i would gladly pay gogo gal prices if i was assured of getting full on pse performance. sadly that option just does not really exist here. closest to here might be the saunas in macau.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1631879]Pink, for my first seven or so years here I took FLs about 75% of the time. Have had hundreds of them. And I would say, "back in the day" 95% of my experiences were quite good. However, the past few years I have not been so fortunate. And I really don't have the patience these days to put up with even a 50% batting average. That is why unless I know the girl or have heard several good reports from friends who have similar tastes as me, I just don't go with FLs.[/QUOTE]Showing them porn video of what you want & they agree to do and establishing chemistry beforehand should up your percentage to near perfect. Others negotiate what they want in advance, though nowadays I usually just let them do whatever they're going to do or comfortable with & have not been disappointed. It's always a surprise as with independents such as ladies of the street every girl is different rather than following a cookie cutter mold. Speaking Thai should make all of this even easier, but I don't & do ok.
Would anyone know where a guy can catch NFL games? I'm specifically looking for the Sunday night game, which would be early Monday morning here in BKK (around 7:30 am).
Thank you Joker for your excellent informative report. ET.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1631922]Showing them porn video of what you want & they agree to do and establishing chemistry beforehand should up your percentage to near perfect. Others negotiate what they want in advance, though nowadays I usually just let them do whatever they're going to do or comfortable with & have not been disappointed. It's always a surprise as with independents such as ladies of the street every girl is different rather than following a cookie cutter mold. Speaking Thai should make all of this even easier, but I don't & do ok.[/QUOTE]Pink, I speak Thai fairly well after 15 years as a resident of BKK. I think on issue with residency is the longer you are here the less BS you are willing to put up with. I don't take gal to my room and so showing them a video is not an option. And truth be told I have very little want to hang out and talk with a working girl. I just want a nice 90 min, two shot, PSE encounter, and then I want to be on my merry way. And I never want a girl to do anything she is uncomfortable with. If she does not want to do something I don't get upset. I just get up, put my clothes on, leave a small tip (as I do negotiate what I want before hand), and I am out of there. Of course since I really don't take FLs unless I know them or they are vouched for these days, I don't have this issues so much.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1631963] .... the less BS you are willing to put up with... [/QUOTE]Pink Pearl is right. If the girl (FL or otherwise) does not deliver as previously agreed upon, she has to go and right away. Sure, no need to get upset, just send her packing.
[QUOTE=JokerInter;1631832]
Has anyone had this issue before??[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. Rainbow bars have got the worst at-door management, there was an old report on ISG from way back where an American of Indian origin was hurt by the doormen for questioning why he was being denied entry. This issue seems to have cropped up after a while, but this is in no way a new incident at this establishment. The door men at the Rainbow bars seem to be the worst of the lot in all of LOS, who unnecessarily get aggressive and I am glad to hear that you stood up to them and managed to get away with it. These bars are best avoided since these weak (asshole) men at the door would try and gang up on patrons who they think do not deserve to be let in. I have tried to enter this place only once and when I was told I won't be allowed in on account of not being a member (and I saw others not being asked the same question), I walked away not wanting any trouble. This place just has a seedy reputation, avoid it, nothing can be done about it.
[QUOTE=JokerInter;1631832]My fellow mongers,
Before writing this post I tried to figure out from the account settings how long I have been a member. I was not able to. Point being, I don't post often as I should.
Something happened tonight that I feel I should share so that all reading can beware. I have visited BKK six times in the last 10 months and will continue, due to my job. I love Thailand and the people, especially the women. My first visit today was Shark" at Soi Cowboy and had a blast. I met two beautiful gals (#57 and 118) that I will see later tonight or this week. "Shark "has some of the best looking gals I have seen so far. I paid a visit to Teen VIP massage yesterday on Sukhumvit 33 yesterday and did the deed with "Donna" whom I recommend both on looks and personality and performance. I also visited DR. BJ an choose "P" who performed well and was cute.
I have been a member of this site and WSG probably since 2006/2007. I travel to world due to my job in the transportation industry. I seldom post, but after today I will be more active...[/QUOTE]So what are you. Paki-american? Egyptian-American? Philipino-american? Indian-american? Mex-american?
Next time you should walk away when that happens. 20 little Thai dudes will kick your butt.
Unfortunately Rainbow 2 is one of the few top quality bars around so its not to go elsewhere.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1631733]I do check 24/1 regularly. I did not find any stunner recently. Last ones were Angie at Cherry and Bai Fern at Yoremichi. That is some time ago. So I don't agree. Stunners can be found in bars. Both face and body. Its not easy but possible. I suppose if I looked in many Oilies including for Japan customers only I might find something, but its not easy to devote time to survey all the Oilies.
Looks in Soapies have become more plastic in the modern times with too many nose jobs and tit jobs.
I don't consider the average looking types at either place, since they become somewhat invisible to me. I only focus on the best. I don't believe the lighter skin theory either.
PSE shops are dominated by Nakorn Phanom and nearby girls. Bar girls come from many locations. Oily girls probably similar. Obviously Buri Ram girls can be dark but not always.
Chiang Rai girls are more commonly in Soapies and probably are considered the best looking on average.
I think Khon Kaen and Udon girls are in bars more than in Oilies. They can be tall and pretty sometimes.
I think girls with really bad bodies will work in Oilies more than as go go as body will look terrible with clothes off. Ugly faces can be found anywhere. Last time at Tulip, T1234 and I were rather stunned by how horrible the line up was. We were really shocked. We may have picked an unlucky time. Never seen that bad in a bar recently. Really we would need to receive a lot of money to consider doing them. The decline is severe indeed since the days of Dao, Nestle, Yok, etc. or seemed so at the time.[/QUOTE]To Syzygies.
I am one of the lucky one who did Angie at cherry 6 month ago one of the most beautiful model quality girl I ever meet in Thailand, too bad she is no longer around she told me she work part time from her modeling job during the shutdown she only work for few week at cherry.
Fast eddie 48.
[QUOTE=JokerInter;1631832]I can handle myself with tiny Thai dudes. So my advice, spend your money elsewhere, there are plenty of places in Bangkok. Stay away from Rainbow 2 at NANA Plaza.
Has anyone had this issue before??[/QUOTE]You've traveled extensively and been on this board for a long time but you still foolishly put yourself in position to wind up in a Thai hospital. Normally I wouldn't respond to this but I'm concerned a newbie might read this and try the same thing. Leave your American values of fairness and discrimination at home when you depart for Thailand. Life is different in the LOS. Viva la difference (although I don't agree with their discriminatory practices).
As others before have stated on this board just move on. Thais don't fight fair. There are too many other venues to explore.
[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;1631967]Pink Pearl is right. If the girl (FL or otherwise) does not deliver as previously agreed upon, she has to go and right away. Sure, no need to get upset, just send her packing.[/QUOTE]Which is exactly what I do and what I stated.
[QUOTE=Allover;1631988]You've traveled extensively and been on this board for a long time but you still foolishly put yourself in position to wind up in a Thai hospital. Normally I wouldn't respond to this but I'm concerned a newbie might read this and try the same thing. Leave your American values of fairness and discrimination at home when you depart for Thailand. Life is different in the LOS. Viva la difference (although I don't agree with their discriminatory practices).
As others before have stated on this board just move on. Thais don't fight fair. There are too many other venues to explore.[/QUOTE]I don't disagree about the dangers of getting in a fight with a Thai or group of Thais. Not a good idea at all. As to leaving American values of fairness and discrimination at home, I may be wrong about this but aren't the NEP bars owned by westerners? If so, given the general rule "fish rot from the head," aren't they the ones imposing the discriminatory practices?
Again, I'm not suggesting creating a scene over such issues would prove productive, but that does not detract from the offensiveness of such discriminatory practices. I for one am that much less inclined to frequent the Rainbow bars after hearing these sorts of accounts.
[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1632029]As to leaving American values of fairness and discrimination at home[/QUOTE]Isn't this what they call a misnomer?
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my pet peeve is gals who have had kids. just don't like 'them. always ask which girls have kids when i am at an oily. that thins the herd.
[/quote]i don't mind mothers at all. the only problem is some mothers have ugly saggy tits. however i don't need a tiny extremely tight pussy, with girls being really dick scared. mothers are generally less dick scared.
isn't june (ex-sw) and recently back at lilly, a mother? i forget.
What a difference a day makes. Went to Hot Lips a 2nd time. Sunday line up was well below the Saturday line up. 50% of girls over weight for my standards. Only 2 hot girls remained, and one had nose a little two big. Mint was absent. Noi got BFed by someone else. Some other nice girls were missing.
Just shows that small bars are particularly unreliable, if not there on the best day.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1632067]I don't mind mothers at all. The only problem is some mothers have ugly saggy tits. However I don't need a tiny extremely tight pussy, with girls being really dick scared. Mothers are generally less dick scared.
Isn't June (ex-SW) and recently back at Lilly, a mother? I forget.[/QUOTE]Pussy size is not really my concern. It is as you say, the saggy tits and the map of Thailand on the stomach.
June has a kid, but it is quite hard to tell. She took good care of herself when preggers, obviously.
[QUOTE=Allover;1631988]You've traveled extensively and been on this board for a long time but you still foolishly put yourself in position to wind up in a Thai hospital. Normally I wouldn't respond to this but I'm concerned a newbie might read this and try the same thing. Leave your American values of fairness and discrimination at home when you depart for Thailand. Life is different in the LOS. Viva la difference (although I don't agree with their discriminatory practices).
As others before have stated on this board just move on. Thais don't fight fair. There are too many other venues to explore.[/QUOTE]My report was simply to share my event with fellow mongers on this site and help to to avoid places as such. I do not know why I was not allowed in, and at this point I really don't care. Perhaps a group of Japanese men had the placed packed $$ and did not want others as Japanese are very insecure. I read about this in Tokyo section and stayed away from those places when I was there, but this is all speculation. My point being, I read and research places on this site before I visit and stay away from trouble. My report was simply to contribute to all the usefulness of this site.
Viva la difference? When it comes to working girls and money, it the same everywhere you go. It aint like its free!
On a different note, Koi #57 from Shark on soi cowboy was great excellent last night. She's from Chang mai and has the best body and looks from anyone girl I have seen so far in LOS. BBBJ, CIM, anal and a pussy to die for, tight and wet. I fucked her all positions. A+ to her for fucking like a rabbit.
I met Kong from Afterskool (Soi Cowboy) on Saturday night. Did not take her out but fingered her pussy while she sat on my hand. Cute young chic. If your not shy, check out Afterskool.
[QUOTE=Allover]You've traveled extensively and been on this board for a long time but you still foolishly put yourself in position to wind up in a Thai hospital. Normally I wouldn't respond to this but I'm concerned a newbie might read this and try the same thing. Leave your American values of fairness and discrimination at home when you depart for Thailand and just move on. Thais don't fight fair.[/QUOTE]I realize it's easy for me to pile on here. I'm a pasty-faced, middle-aged falang who travels alone, so doormen size me up as an ideal customer and I'm welcome at all the usual haunts on the punter circuit. (OK, my baht are welcomed. But I'm comfortable being a life support system for my wallet. I really am.)
But at the risk of wasting bandwidth I think it's important to add a big Plus One to Mr. Allover's most excellent advice. American notions of equal treatment for all are unknown to the hard men who make their living in the adult entertainment industry overseas. These guys make regular bouncers look like Maya Fucking Angelou. So save the Kumbaya for Berkeley. Resist the temptation to cite Title II of the Civil Rights of 1964. When a bouncer says move along, shake a leg. Sure it's not right. But would you rather be right or UPRIGHT? Bouncers gravitate to that job because they enjoy the power trip. They are just looking for an excuse to kick your ass. It's better to walk away to get laid elsewhere than it is to stand on principle.
Bunky
[QUOTE=Bunky;1632240] Bouncers gravitate to that job because they enjoy the power trip. They are just looking for an excuse to kick your ass. It's better to walk away to get laid elsewhere than it is to stand on principle.
Bunky[/QUOTE]Don't pick a fight with a Thai girl either at any bar area, etc. You would be surprised how many Thai guys could show in a big hurry to beat the crap out of you.
I saw a guy coming out of the Thermae once who just could not let some argument go, and just had to keep coming back to the girl. Very soon got beaten up just a little further down the street. I didn't see it but from the sound, it wasn't good.
Another thing. The number of Farangs, that I hear of committing suicide or getting murdered in Bangkok is quite astonishing. I probably don't know them personally but manager of a popular pub knew many of them. Most are not investigated properly. Try hard not to give anyone a motive. Bangkok seems a safe place, but still need to take some care not to look for trouble. Those who look for trouble, find it very quickly.
I am planning on spending a couple of days in Bangkok in March of next year. I am planning a business trip around some things and would have the option of spending a couple days mid-week or over a weekend. I can plan things how I would like. I am not into big crowds and party scene, my gut is telling me that I would have a more relaxed and enjoyable time visiting on a Tuesday and Wednesday. This works well for me in Tijuana for example. I know it's not much time, I will plan things out, but not too much and want to come away with just a little of the flavor of Bangkok and then proceed on to Singapore. Any advice welcome, also, any holidays or festivals I need to be aware of?
Now, I have read through this forum and will also ask a lazy question I suppose. If you had just two full days in Bangkok, what would you do?
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1632068]What a difference a day makes. Went to Hot Lips a 2nd time. Sunday line up was well below the Saturday line up. 50% of girls over weight for my standards. Only 2 hot girls remained, and one had nose a little two big. Mint was absent. Noi got BFed by someone else. Some other nice girls were missing.
Just shows that small bars are particularly unreliable, if not there on the best day.[/QUOTE]Today bumped into Tansak KTV while walking from Nana BTS past Landmark. We split up as HE was going to a different bar to meet someone. I looked in Hot Lips again. Line up improved again, even before Mint showed up very late. Bar girls are expected to arrive at 7 PM. They get fined for each minute past that time, 3 Baht. She arrives 9:20 PM. That is expensive. She has her reasons. Minding some other girl's child during the day.
I BF her immediately. She does not need to even get changed. Great fuck. No pornstar, but she was into it. She got turned on during the DATY. Could tell when her back arching position changed to different posture to make the DATY work better. However no cum yet. Excellent slow and deep BJ despite the braces. Raises knees very high and very relaxed during sex which helps a lot. You can tell when a girl's motion and pace changes during the sex that she is getting close. I reckon she got two pops from pressure on clit area. Me only one.
Got her number this time so can check when working. Very pretty to my taste, great nose and lips, very nice tits with very dark nipples. Only weakness is her ass is a slightly on small side. Slightly shy. For a relatively inexperienced bargirl she is pretty damn good (inexperience can be great). She only gets barfined by Farangs. Not the type for the Japanese and Chinese customers. Right now there are a very large number of Chinese tourists in Bangkok, it seems, perhaps many from Hong Kong.
Nude dancing and limited shows have returned to some bars in Cowboy. However very limited in duration due to the Police. The Police go home at 2AM or so.
[QUOTE=SimonWagstaff;1632281]Now, I have read through this forum and will also ask a lazy question I suppose. If you had just two full days in Bangkok, what would you do?[/QUOTE]First day: get up early and take the SkyTrain and Express Riverboat to the Royal Palace / Emerald Buddha Temple and visit it. Have some street food and go to a naughty massage place for a massage with happy ending. Then take some rest and after dinner go to Soi Cowboy and get an agogo girl for LT.
Second day: have the agogo girl take care of the morning wood, then breakfast and go to some shopping malls and do some shopping. Have lunch in the foodcourt of the shopping mall. In the afternoon visit Eden Club and have a PSE threesome. In the evening (if I have still energy) go to Dr. BJ or have another naughty massage and finish with a good Thai dinner.
But of course none of these plans ever seem to work in Thailand.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1632303]First day: get up early and take the SkyTrain and Express Riverboat to the Royal Palace / Emerald Buddha Temple and visit it. Have some street food and go to a naughty massage place for a massage with happy ending. Then take some rest and after dinner go to Soi Cowboy and get an agogo girl for LT.
Second day: have the agogo girl take care of the morning wood, then breakfast and go to some shopping malls and do some shopping. Have lunch in the foodcourt of the shopping mall. In the afternoon visit Eden Club and have a PSE threesome. In the evening (if I have still energy) go to Dr. BJ or have another naughty massage and finish with a good Thai dinner.
But of course none of these plans ever seem to work in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your kind response. I certainly have the Eden club on my radar but may be looking for a kinder, gentler experience. I definitely want to get some Thai food and think that a combination of street vendors and a nice restaurant or two will provide a nice experience. Won't be going until March, lots of time.
[QUOTE=SimonWagstaff;1632311]Thank you for your kind response. I certainly have the Eden club on my radar but may be looking for a kinder, gentler experience. I definitely want to get some Thai food and think that a combination of street vendors and a nice restaurant or two will provide a nice experience. Won't be going until March, lots of time.[/QUOTE]Actually the Eden Club is less hard-core than you might expect. Much will depend what you want and unless you can keep active for the full 90 minutes (which at my age is no longer possible), there is ample opportunity to hug & cuddle too and recover your breath. As always, the key is good communication. Just tell the girls what you want and I'd be surprised if they cannot deliver.
[QUOTE=SimonWagstaff;1632281]
Now, I have read through this forum and will also ask a lazy question I suppose. If you had just two full days in Bangkok, what would you do?[/QUOTE]What we would do is little relevance to what you would do. You are lazy indeed to not think about what appeals to you. If I had just two days, I would make it include Saturday if possible for best bar line ups, but maybe you don't like bars anyway. Sunday could be weak. Mid week could be okay Different guys would do very different things. I assume we are not talking sight-seeing.
However my suggestion is to try everything significant if you have time and haven't tried before, a Pornstar Oily Massage place, maybe a Soapy place like Amsterdam or Nataree, a go-go bar, a BJ shop, and maybe even a body slide like Dr. BJ Nuru. Your plans may well change if you liked some thing too much.
Eden would not be on my list of "significant". It was a sort of acted script type place when I went there.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1632292]Today bumped into Tansak KTV while walking from Nana BTS past Landmark. We split up as HE was going to a different bar to meet someone. I looked in Hot Lips again. Line up improved again, even before Mint showed up very late. Bar girls are expected to arrive at 7 PM. They get fined for each minute past that time, 3 Baht. She arrives 9:20 PM. That is expensive. She has her reasons. Minding some other girl's child during the day.
I BF her immediately. She does not need to even get changed. Great fuck. No pornstar, but she was into it. She got turned on during the DATY. Could tell when her back arching position changed to different posture to make the DATY work better. However no cum yet. Excellent slow and deep BJ despite the braces. Raises knees very high and very relaxed during sex which helps a lot. You can tell when a girl's motion and pace changes during the sex that she is getting close. I reckon she got two pops from pressure on clit area. Me only one.
Got her number this time so can check when working. Very pretty to my taste, great nose and lips, very nice tits with very dark nipples. Only weakness is her ass is a slightly on small side. Slightly shy. For a relatively inexperienced bargirl she is pretty damn good (inexperience can be great). She only gets barfined by Farangs. Not the type for the Japanese and Chinese customers. Right now there are a very large number of Chinese tourists in Bangkok, it seems, perhaps many from Hong Kong.
Nude dancing and limited shows have returned to some bars in Cowboy. However very limited in duration due to the Police. The Police go home at 2AM or so.[/QUOTE]After reading the nice reviews of Hot Lips I decided to change my visit from Cowboy to Nana!
If I go tomorrow evening I'll post my experience. Even if I have to go very early at 7 pm.
Does Mint have any number tag to identify her?(even I really couldn't wait for her until 9 pm).
[QUOTE=Francesco24;1632444]After reading the nice reviews of Hot Lips I decided to change my visit from Cowboy to Nana!
If I go tomorrow evening I'll post my experience. Even if I have to go very early at 7 pm.
Does Mint have any number tag to identify her?(even I really couldn't wait for her until 9 pm).[/QUOTE]Don't over-think your night plans. Go to the place of your choice and have a look around. You might get there and decide you don't like it. Or maybe the line up of ladies on that night is not your taste. Then you can stroll on over to check out the next place of interest. After checking out the scene at nana, if it's not doing it for you, grab a cab to cowboy. You will be there in just a few minutes. .
[QUOTE=Francesco24;1632444]After reading the nice reviews of Hot Lips I decided to change my visit from Cowboy to Nana!
[/QUOTE]You should be aware my individual taste is not typical. Other guys like to go to Rainbow and RB4. Bars that bore me. If I like one girl at a bar, doesn't mean anyone else will like her. I just point out as an example that can find a pretty bar girl that can be fun rather than be a star fish.
Skinny toned Noi with a hot ass is recommended. Squeezing pussy. Could be No. 12. I am not good with numbers.
In general I prefer Cowboy over Nana for finding girls of my types. The only girl I liked in Rainbow was waitress No. 223. Very cute.
Don't bother to show up before 8PM. The bars don't really open at 7PM. Some officially open at 7:30 or 8PM but are slow to get going. Good advice by Pipe Layer. You have to find what YOU like, not what I like.
One or two girls can be the difference between a dull bar and an O.K. bar for me. Others might want to be impressed by the whole line up. Can't see that happening.
As I said before, some bars like RB4 have a lot of good bodies, but standard of faces lag far behind. I prefer a pretty face, cute nose, and a great ass with skinny thighs.
[quote=wolvenvacht;1632323]actually the eden club is less hard-core than you might expect. much will depend what you want and unless you can keep active for the full 90 minutes (which at my age is no longer possible), there is ample opportunity to hug & cuddle too and recover your breath. as always, the key is good communication. just tell the girls what you want and i'd be surprised if they cannot deliver.[/quote]eden club is to my mind, one of the ultimate brothel experiences to be had.
you are entirely correct in saying the girls response is limited only by your imagination, although i have never asked for it, i'm sure they'd even [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] on you, i don't think they'd go further than that in terms of toilet, not that it's my thing, i'm just rambling.
they will use strap on (even on you, they even openly ask you sometimes when doing their lez thing.) in my time i have even arranged a quiet little 420 session in the room, although i'm not sure if that's ok these days. there was no additional charge for that btw, one of the girls downstairs must have had it.
i always leave with a genuine smile on my face, the same one i had when i was driving home from losing my cherry to a milf in my late teens.
i also like eden because it is milf central, also any girl still fucking at their age is genuinely into the sex for its own sake, they have literally ridden and tamed the burn-out that knocks most of the little spinners out the game early. true some may 'wear' the lifestyle on their faces, but the slightly haggard look of uber-nymphos appeals to me too.
i go to the bars to ogle, i rarely get my sex from them.
my beat is freelancers and eden, although the biergarten talent pool has been disappointing in the last year or so. thermae, which supplied me with some unforgettable and very repeatable services is pretty much a japanese venue now, i can't remember the last time i found a suitable girl in there, must be years ago, and yet i morosely haunt it like a homesick ghost.
the girls are just over-paid (b4000) little jap 'baby doll' types, i like that in porn but it does not work for me in reality.
the last girl i took from biergarten was a bit of a user. the sex was ok, but she had a whole bunch of sly shark tactics, and even started to nag me like a gf at one point! fatal mistake, she was out the door in two minutes, never even had time to grab her panties.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1632292]
Nude dancing and limited shows have returned to some bars in Cowboy. However very limited in duration due to the Police. The Police go home at 2AM or so.[/QUOTE]These crackdowns just puzzle me, almost every new parliament / junta initiate them, they rarely last. All it does is hurt the 'tourist industry' as a whole. I use the word 'tourist industry' loosely.
Punter or not, a channel news-asia report last night said that Thai tourism was in the doldrums due to recent history and current events.
The best thing the Thai Police could ever do for themselves and this country, is get serious about road traffic violations. Leave the girls and boys alone, you have the worlds second worst traffic death statistics, fix it!
[QUOTE=OliverKitsoff;1632848]In my time I have even arranged a quiet little 420 session in the room, although I'm not sure if that's OK these days. There was no additional charge for that BTW, one of the girls downstairs must have had it.[/QUOTE]I realise that the forum spell-checker does strange things, but otherwise I am intrigued... What is a 420 session, and why might it not be OK these days?
On a similar line, you are probably aware that the Devils Den in Pattaya provides a very similar service, and the girls are on the whole younger and cuter that the Eden Club.
But whether they provide a 420 service I don't know...!
Doll House is being refurbished downstairs. Upstairs has see through outfits and no knickers. Praow is rather cute and has magnificent natural Cee cups. I decided to BF her at 19:50 and then was told there is no BFing till 21:00.
Fuck them and their stupid rules. Walked out promptly. Went to Dr. BJ Nuru for a body slide plus very nice fuck.
My one complaint would be there are too many Thai boys hanging round this joint. More than are need to provide waiting service to the rooms. So you can guess what this means. Even one very short Tom working there. So her GF probably works there as well.
I think its a bad image having these types hanging around. Fortunately my girl has no one special there (I believe).
Don't understand as Annies does not have heaps of boys hanging around. Maybe the odd one.
[QUOTE=Mouse1;1632894]I realise that the forum spell-checker does strange things, but otherwise I am intrigued... What is a 420 session, and why might it not be OK these days?
On a similar line, you are probably aware that the Devils Den in Pattaya provides a very similar service, and the girls are on the whole younger and cuter that the Eden Club.
But whether they provide a 420 service I don't know...![/QUOTE]420 is code for "cannibis culture", which translates to smoking some marijuana.
Stayed a couple of days recently at the Ruahmchitt hotel in Bangkok.
Was lacy so just went down to Thermae for pick-ups. Hard to come below 3000 Bath.
Age was also hard to find in lower twenties.
Is there other places like Thermae in Bangkok packed with freelancers but cheaper and if possible 20?
Thanks for sharing your experience.
Or how does it works if you find a bar girl / gogo girl with a number batch. Do they offer ST or LT hotel services.
[QUOTE=OliverKitsoff;1632855]These crackdowns just puzzle me, almost every new parliament / junta initiate them, they rarely last. All it does is hurt the 'tourist industry' as a whole. I use the word 'tourist industry' loosely.
Punter or not, a channel news-asia report last night said that Thai tourism was in the doldrums due to recent history and current events.
The best thing the Thai Police could ever do for themselves and this country, is get serious about road traffic violations. Leave the girls and boys alone, you have the worlds second worst traffic death statistics, fix it![/QUOTE]Wot?
Do you mean there are hardly any topless or nude shows in cowboy now a days? I find that impossible to believe. Baccara would be deserted without nudity.
[QUOTE=MadMad;1633116]Stayed a couple of days recently at the Ruahmchitt hotel in Bangkok.
Was lacy so just went down to Thermae for pick-ups. Hard to come below 3000 Bath.
Age was also hard to find in lower twenties.
Is there other places like Thermae in Bangkok packed with freelancers but cheaper and if possible 20?
Thanks for sharing your experience.
Or how does it works if you find a bar girl / gogo girl with a number batch. Do they offer ST or LT hotel services.[/QUOTE]Wow! So they are up to 3 k on average now. Amazing. Last year gals were wanting 2 k.
Thermae used to be a wonderful place. I must have taken over 200 plus gals from there from 99 till about 07. Never paid more than 1 k ST. And it used to be a fun place as well with gals dancing by the juke box and most all of them drinking as well. They would walk up and grab your crotch, talk dirty, want to drink and party. Now they simple stand like zoo animals on display while the Japanese take laps around the place like horses past their prime on a track. Sad really. Both the cost and the absence of fun. Along with the original Martini's in Nom Pehn, it was one of the great bars in Asia. Kind of funny how when prices increase the fun level decreases, eh?
And dudes will continue to pay more and we will all have less fun.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1633204]Wow! So they are up to 3 k on average now. Amazing. Last year gals were wanting 2 k.
Thermae used to be a wonderful place. I must have taken over 200 plus gals from there from 99 till about 07. Never paid more than 1 k ST. And it used to be a fun place as well with gals dancing by the juke box and most all of them drinking as well. They would walk up and grab your crotch, talk dirty, want to drink and party. Now they simple stand like zoo animals on display while the Japanese take laps around the place like horses past their prime on a track. Sad really.
[/QUOTE]Last trip I was doing the Cowboy / Nana walk and for old times sake, plus a bathroom needed, popped in.
It was like a set from a movie. Guys all chatting amongst themselves at the bar, and girls standing like mannequins. The only thing moving were their eyes.
Used to be great and fun. But long long long gone.
[QUOTE=MadMad;1633116]Was lacy so just went down to Thermae for pick-ups. Hard to come below 3000 Bath.
Age was also hard to find in lower twenties.
Is there other places like Thermae in Bangkok packed with freelancers but cheaper and if possible 20?[/QUOTE]I'd have no idea how old TGs are without seeing their identification cards. Do you believe the age they tell you?
I've seen many at the Nana Hotel Parking Lot who looked about 18 & it turns out they're 5 or 10 years older.
RTF. There are plenty of references to where to find younger ladies.
3000 baht? For LT or the newbie to BKK who doesn't know any better rate? Or the it's low season no customers so up the price so I can pay loom pricing? Try the NEP area streetwalkers for no more than 1000 to 1500ST.
[QUOTE=OliverKitsoff;1632848]Eden Club is to my mind, one of the ultimate brothel experiences to be had.
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They will use strap on (even on you, they even openly ask you sometimes when doing their lez thing.) In my time I have even arranged a quiet little 420 session in the room, although I'm not sure if that's OK these days. There was no additional charge for that BTW, one of the girls downstairs must have had it.
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[/QUOTE]I may get around with my head stuck up my arse, but after 10's of trips to Bangkok and years of reviewing these Thailand forums, this is the first reference to the dreaded weed I have seen on this forum. In my visits I've certainly never been offered any, and would be unlikely to trust a Thai to get me some 420 action in any event.
If this story is true, this bloke must have some guts. If there was one thing I wouldn't do in Thailand, it would be involving one's self in drugs. And I'm no prude by anyone's standards, trust me.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1633204]
Thermae used to be a wonderful place. I must have taken over 200 plus gals from there from 99 till about 07. [/QUOTE]That would be the new Thermae? I used to use the old location Thermae from about 1991, but had only limited stay in Thailand in those years. I had fairly weak Thai language skills at that time. It was fun to find some good amateur hookers. By this, I mean girls with other types of work who were trying to make some extra on the side to make ends meet, afford a trip up country, or whatever. These girls often worked low paid jobs like shop assistants, hotel maids, switchboard operators, waitresses, etc. Some quite pretty girls available.
Met some really fun girls, also some very sweet girls, mostly they could not speak English at all well, so I got to practice my Thai speaking. Most confusing of all were girls who spoke a mixture of Thai and English, like one who would insert English pronouns "I" and "You" into a Thai sentence.
There was also "The Grace Coffee Shop" in competition with the Thermae, but a different mix of girls (less slim girls), and not as good.
I used to also attend the Thermae Soapy massage upstairs which was quite small but had a few hot girls. It was way better than the competition Darling in those days, for girl talent. Annies I did not try at that time.
I never had that much experience with the new relocated Thermae. Probably due to having a GF, and limited opportunity, and then when did try years later, wasn't the same. I recall not finding a girl inside (pretty late) one day and taking one from outside at the front. Maybe some girls were already oriented toward Japanese.
[QUOTE=Stykler;1633264]I may get around with my head stuck up my arse, but after 10's of trips to Bangkok and years of reviewing these Thailand forums, this is the first reference to the dreaded weed I have seen on this forum. In my visits I've certainly never been offered any, and would be unlikely to trust a Thai to get me some 420 action in any event.
If this story is true, this bloke must have some guts. If there was one thing I wouldn't do in Thailand, it would be involving one's self in drugs. And I'm no prude by anyone's standards, trust me.[/QUOTE]OK, now I understand 420. I agree I wouldn't touch drugs in any SE Asia country, but I get offered weed very often in pattaya. I hate getting mistaken for a hippy.
[QUOTE=Mouse1;1633283]I hate getting mistaken for a hippy.[/QUOTE]Maybe it's time for a hair cut and a job? LOL!
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1633286]Maybe it's time for a hair cut and a job? LOL![/QUOTE]Are you talking Hair cut and a blow job or?
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1633001]. Went to Dr. BJ Nuru for a body slide plus very nice fuck. My one complaint would be there are too many Thai boys hanging round this joint. More than are need to provide waiting service to the rooms. So you can guess what this means. Even one very short Tom working there. So her GF probably works there as well. I think its a bad image having these types hanging around. Fortunately my girl has no one special there (I believe). Don't understand as Annies does not have heaps of boys hanging around. Maybe the odd one.[/QUOTE]Maybe they are opening to new marketing options. LOL.
[QUOTE=BionicMan;1633310]Maybe they are opening to new marketing options. LOL.[/QUOTE]I hope its not like girls saying they can only work there if their partner, also gets to stay there, or have a paid position. Anyway I don't like loads of Thai boys hanging around sex shops. It just gives a bad impression of the girls. We are better off not knowing their personal arrangements.
I saw a bargirl Crazy House (ex-Doll House) "Chocolat" at 2 am walking hand in hand with a Thai boy, not seeming to care if any of her customers saw her. I maybe biased / discriminatory, but I prefer Thai girls who don't have a BF potentially leaching off them. May not be the case every time, but one has to be suspicious.
Crazy House is a strange case as most of serving staff are girls or ladyboys. Still the odd Thai male staff but not too many fortunately. I like that they dispensed with having an older Thai guy manning the toilet to collect tips. Recently saw him hanging around Asoke entrance to Cowboy, not sure what he is doing there. Probably looking to take Farangs to special places.
I don't mind as much if Thai working girls have some "gik" that they meet for fun, however one wonders if they would use condoms and are safe form diseases.
One girl in Suzi Wong, mentioned before in posts, still works in the bar as has apartment and maybe car paid for by some Farang BF, who often isn't there, but not receiving enough money. She isn't even good looking to my taste. She picked up some fancy Thai boy, who then bashes her when she doesn't give him money. One time she could not come to work due to bruises. Why do working girls pick up such guys on drugs, etc. ? Its mystifying. The key point is one loses all respect for such girls.
There are other working girls financing gambling habits of some close family member, be it parent or brother. Some of these seem like nice girls, but cannot get a permanent good man, because stuck with supporting a bad family.
[quote=oliverkitsoff;1632855]these crackdowns just puzzle me, almost every new parliament / junta initiate them, they rarely last. all it does is hurt the 'tourist industry' as a whole. i use the word 'tourist industry' loosely.
punter or not, a channel news-asia report last night said that thai tourism was in the doldrums due to recent history and current events.
the best thing the thai police could ever do for themselves and this country, is get serious about road traffic violations. leave the girls and boys alone, you have the worlds second worst traffic death statistics, fix it![/quote]best to see the police as gardeners and their patch as a garden. they weed out their garden from time to time (show who is boss, clear the freelancers off the street so that they do not compete with their "plants" in the form of lady bars, go-gos etc). from time to time they show up to collect some of the ripe produce in the form of payments.
do they make any money or get much benefit from road traffic violations (apart from the usual speed-trap operations etc which provide bribes) or the thieves, wife-beaters etc? no, or at least not as much as they make with so-called vice crackdowns. it is why they put so much effort into it.
Seemed to be little or no Police presence in Cowboy last two nights. Nude dancing, and naughty shows returned to the bars. Someone said their bar was recently visited by the army. Not sure if that is relevant. Bars seemed back to normal, except I am not what time they would close. 2AM is generally late enough for me.
Sukhumvit and Asoke full of outdoor illegal bars, not sure what time they open. Don't seem to have been suppressed much.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1633335]
I saw a bargirl Crazy House (ex-Doll House) "Chocolat" at 2 am walking hand in hand with a Thai boy, not seeming to care if any of her customers saw her. I maybe biased / discriminatory, but I prefer Thai girls who don't have a BF potentially leaching off them. May not be the case every time, but one has to be suspicious.
I don't mind as much if Thai working girls have some "gik" that they meet for fun, however one wonders if they would use condoms and are safe form diseases.
There are other working girls financing gambling habits of some close family member, be it parent or brother. Some of these seem like nice girls, but cannot get a permanent good man, because stuck with supporting a bad family.[/QUOTE]It has been my experience that nearly every Thai bar girl has either a Thai BF or a Thai Tom or are simply between them. Of course nearly all will say that they don't but they do. I know only of one girl in Rainbow 3 who will tell the customer that she can't do Long Time because she has a BF waiting for her. Let's face it these girls are prime targets for leeching boyfriends, they have more money than any other girls in Thailand, are sexually available and love to party. Exactly the kind of girls they want. A lot of these guys work, if they work at all, around the girls as either dj's, security, servers or motorcycle drivers. If you get on to the Facebook pages of many of these girls they will have photos of their BF's and children. I recall all too well when I had one girl over with her friend and she sort of said she wanted so see more of me and I told her she had a BF. "Noooo. Not me! Never" I told her I had seen him many times on her FB page. Oops. The look between the two friends was classic. Caught!
I have gotten to know one girl pretty well who works in a gogo and she went through every girl in the place and told me where their BF's work. Or Toms which a lot more have than you might expect. Nearly all worked around Nana Plaza. Of course she is the only girl who doesn't have one! And I think we can all assume that condoms are rarely used which is why so many of these girls get knocked up sooner or later. There is no need to have allusions though that these girls are single independent workers. Why should we care really? But if you get interested in a girl for more than sex, believe me the chances of her having someone is really high. So be careful.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1631963]Pink, I speak Thai fairly well after 15 years as a resident of BKK. I think on issue with residency is the longer you are here the less BS you are willing to put up with. I don't take gal to my room and so showing them a video is not an option. And truth be told I have very little want to hang out and talk with a working girl. I just want a nice 90 min, two shot, PSE encounter, and then I want to be on my merry way. And I never want a girl to do anything she is uncomfortable with. If she does not want to do something I don't get upset. I just get up, put my clothes on, leave a small tip (as I do negotiate what I want before hand), and I am out of there. Of course since I really don't take FLs unless I know them or they are vouched for these days, I don't have this issues so much.[/QUOTE]Take gal to "your room" to see a porn clip? Why? News flash, it's 2014 not 1995 now. Almost everyone has a mobile device, including working girls.
I assume you are in a room when you have sex with a hooker. Unless you like to do it out in public somewhere.
[QUOTE=DRRonin;1633578]It has been my experience that nearly every Thai bar girl has either a Thai BF or a Thai Tom or are simply between them. [/QUOTE]Your sample bar may be unrepresentative.
I find little point in generalising or trying to say they are all the same. Every individual has varying circumstances. There are definitely bargirls smart enough to not have a Thai BF. Girls that go away with customer for one or 2 week stretches are unlikely to have a Thai BF.
It maybe that the majority of Bargirls have a Thai BF. Its wise to be aware its a strong possibility. There is no need to try to be sure in each and every case. I have never tried to have a GF that came from a bar, so its not so important. I too have known bargirls that were fairly open and one girl showed me pictures of her Tom, who was in another province and did not supposedly know her GF was a part time bargirl, nor fucking guys. LOL. There is plenty of gossip about other girls' BFs or Toms too.
I know of bargirls that left bar to go live with a Farang living in Thailand 24/7. Probably does not have Thai boy on the side, but cannot be sure. Not wise to trust any bargirl completely. Plenty of deception.
Some bargirls left bar and went to live in a foreign country with Farang husband. Would not be possible to take a Thai BF with them in the suitcase. LOL.
[QUOTE=MadMad;1633116]Stayed a couple of days recently at the Ruahmchitt hotel in Bangkok.
Was lacy so just went down to Thermae for pick-ups. Hard to come below 3000 Bath.
Age was also hard to find in lower twenties.
Is there other places like Thermae in Bangkok packed with freelancers but cheaper and if possible 20?
Thanks for sharing your experience.
Or how does it works if you find a bar girl / gogo girl with a number batch. Do they offer ST or LT hotel services.[/QUOTE]No. The Freelance scene in Bangkok has gotten horrible over the past 3-4 years. Not really sure why but there are a bunch of possible reasons. The vast majority of them are older and more expensive and less friendly than those of only a few years ago. Gullivers. Numbers are way down, generally in their late 20's and go for 2-3 k, sometimes ask for more. Beer Garden. Basically a retirement home for old working girls. Bangkok Beat, again nearly all are from 25-35 and not great, ask for 2-3 k. Sukhumvit on the street, stay far away, mainly Africans at night and the girls in the day time should have an expiration date stamped on their foreheads. Nana Parking Lot, the numbers are drastically lower than a few years back due to police raids, every now and then you can find a young cute one but your timing has to be impeccable. Lots of Ladyboys as well. Climax Disco, mainly in the 25+ category but sometimes younger. Ask for 3 k but may take less. A service girl there told me it closes at 2 am now and doesn't really get started till midnight, so a small window of opportunity. For years I never bothered with gogo girls and stuck strictly to freelancers but over the past 2 years I have had no choice but to go to gogos. Heck, they are with barfine included cheaper than girls at the Thermae who are asking for 3 k and you get to see how they look. People have to be nuts to be giving Fls 3000 baht for short time but apparently they are.
As to your second question I am not sure I understand, in gogos and beer bars any one with a badge is available always for short time and sometimes for long time. They will go to your hotel with you unless they insist on a nearby short time hotel which is becoming more common. Or in some cases I have heard of lately in the RB bars they will charge you 500 baht more to go to your hotel rather than a st hotel. Its all getting crazy and will continue to do so I expect.
Should have an expiration date stamped on their foreheads.
[QUOTE=DRRonin;1633682]No. The Freelance scene in Bangkok has gotten horrible over the past 3-4 years. Not really sure why but there are a bunch of possible reasons. [/QUOTE]If you're even in Singapore you'll find lots of young Thai (and Lao, Viet, etc.) girls working there. Easy visas and cheap airfares, plus substantially better money for them has probably convinced a lot to ply their trade there instead.
Can't really blame them. Well, this is my theory behind an apparent lack of talent in BKK. I'd also say that a much higher standard of living for younger, more educated girls earning better salaries than 10 20 years ago has probably taken a lot out of the game.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1633335]I hope its not like girls saying they can only work there if their partner, also gets to stay there, or have a paid position. Anyway I don't like loads of Thai boys hanging around sex shops. It just gives a bad impression of the girls. We are better off not knowing their personal arrangements.[/QUOTE]I was told by the owner of a bar in Soi 7/1 that the Dr. Nura (? I can't remember the name) bar on the left is mainly for show and it's more for money laundering than mongering, although that goes on as well. It's one of the few bars where you do see lots of Thai boys hanging around. Not sure how much truth there is to this but it's a big place and doesn't seem to have that many customers from what I've seen the few times I've drunk down that way.
[QUOTE=Kerrstar;1633727]I was told by the owner of a bar in Soi 7/1 that the Dr. Nura (? I can't remember the name) bar on the left is mainly for show and it's more for money laundering than mongering, although that goes on as well. It's one of the few bars where you do see lots of Thai boys hanging around. Not sure how much truth there is to this but it's a big place and doesn't seem to have that many customers from what I've seen the few times I've drunk down that way.[/QUOTE]Dr. BJ Nuru is a body slide massage joint. Its not a bar as such even if getting a drink is possible. Associated with Dr BJ blowjob shop and Annies Massage. I imagine that owner of Annies is probably at least the majority owner or more. Several ex-Annies girls work there. Perhaps you talk about something else. Your story seems slightly garbled.
I have been a customer several times and nothing strange about it other than more Thai boys hanging around than desirable. They can't all be useful. The girls do seem to get customers. No reason why not. There is a shortage of shops providing a good body slide "massage" in Bangkok.
There are number of bars and massage shops and many do not look that busy with a brief passing by regularly. E. g. Plame Massage. Has lady boys and ugly girls sitting out the front. Never saw them actually get a customer, but it doesn't mean they don't. The girls at Bai Fern body massage shop definitely look a hell of a lot better. Obviously there is also Eden, Magic Tables, and a few other businesses I can't remember the names of.
Its quite possible there are businesses in Thailand that don't actually need to make money in reality, and for money laundering. The Arab's Coyote bars in Soi Cowboy seem to be a great example, as don't ever seem to have enough business to pay all those Coyote girls and there are lots.
[QUOTE=DRRonin;1633682]Nana Parking Lot, the numbers are drastically lower than a few years back due to police raids, every now and then you can find a young cute one but your timing has to be impeccable. Lots of Ladyboys as well.[/QUOTE]While this is true timing is indeed everything. I have found Friday and Saturday nights to be the best time to find a part time semi-pro with decent looks and body. Arrive around dusk and patiently hang out at one of the bars overlooking the NPL. Watch them arrive via taxi and moto and be prepared to act quickly. The LB's are generally across the street on the Nana Plaza side but their number do increase as the night progresses.
It also helps to be able to make multiple passes through at different times, so staying near ground zero assists in the NPL hunt. The ladies also prefer customers staying in the area as time is money for them.
SunLover.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1633765]
Its quite possible there are businesses in Thailand that don't actually need to make money in reality, and for money laundering. The Arab's Coyote bars in Soi Cowboy seem to be a great example, as don't ever seem to have enough business to pay all those Coyote girls and there are lots.[/QUOTE]Talking about strange bars (opening-closing-opening-repainting), the one in the premises of Raja Hotel, just next to Annie's seems also a strange one.
Last year was opened as a sort of biker bar (Hot Pistons or something like).
In September there have been works going on to open a new bar there, Paradise.
I attach some pictures of the front.
Funny enough it says "opening 19th September" but the pictures were taken on the 27th!
After the 19th there was what looked a soft opening, but then closed then seems opened, but no punters.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1633335]I hope its not like girls saying they can only work there if their partner, also gets to stay there, or have a paid position. Anyway I don't like loads of Thai boys hanging around sex shops. It just gives a bad impression of the girls. We are better off not knowing their personal arrangements..[/QUOTE]I agree it does not look good to see the bar girl or working girl has a (thai) BF.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1633677]Your sample bar may be unrepresentative.
I find little point in generalising or trying to say they are all the same. Every individual has varying circumstances. There are definitely bargirls smart enough to not have a Thai BF. Girls that go away with customer for one or 2 week stretches are unlikely to have a Thai BF.
It maybe that the majority of Bargirls have a Thai BF. Its wise to be aware its a strong possibility. There is no need to try to be sure in each and every case. I have never tried to have a GF that came from a bar, so its not so important. I too have known bargirls that were fairly open and one girl showed me pictures of her Tom, who was in another province and did not supposedly know her GF was a part time bargirl, nor fucking guys. LOL. There is plenty of gossip about other girls' BFs or Toms too.
I know of bargirls that left bar to go live with a Farang living in Thailand 24/7. Probably does not have Thai boy on the side, but cannot be sure. Not wise to trust any bargirl completely. Plenty of deception.
Some bargirls left bar and went to live in a foreign country with Farang husband. Would not be possible to take a Thai BF with them in the suitcase. LOL.[/QUOTE]Syn, I am amazed that is bothers some dudes that a WG has a Thai boyfriend. Does not bother me in the least. Kind of likes dudes that get upset when some other guy they know takes the same WG. They are WGs FFS! A quick shower and they are good as new.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1633867]Syn, I am amazed that is bothers some dudes that a WG has a Thai boyfriend. Does not bother me in the least. Kind of likes dudes that get upset when some other guy they know takes the same WG. They are WGs FFS! A quick shower and they are good as new.[/QUOTE]A thai boyfriend adds to the sick buffalo, the dead grandmothers, the young brother in hopistal, the mother about to die, the elder sister at university. Money suckers.
[QUOTE=Kerrstar;1633727]I was told by the owner of a bar in Soi 7/1 that the Dr. Nura (? I can't remember the name) bar on the left is mainly for show and it's more for money laundering than mongering, although that goes on as well. It's one of the few bars where you do see lots of Thai boys hanging around. Not sure how much truth there is to this but it's a big place and doesn't seem to have that many customers from what I've seen the few times I've drunk down that way.[/QUOTE]These are stories that regularly are told about many bars and not only in Bangkok. I think that if you really want to do some serious money laundering a bar or naughty massage shop is the last thing that comes into your mind. Not only is the amount of money you can channel through it too small to bother, the various overheads (such as contributions to the local constabulary's tea money fund; maintaining all that useless staff; . . .) will eat into your bottom line, making the whole operation rather inefficient.
I think one can safely say that this is one of the urban legends.
[QUOTE=Stykler;1633264]I may get around with my head stuck up my arse, but after 10's of trips to Bangkok and years of reviewing these Thailand forums, this is the first reference to the dreaded weed I have seen on this forum. In my visits I've certainly never been offered any, and would be unlikely to trust a Thai to get me some 420 action in any event.
If this story is true, this bloke must have some guts. If there was one thing I wouldn't do in Thailand, it would be involving one's self in drugs. And I'm no prude by anyone's standards, trust me.[/QUOTE]Like everything in life, one does a risk assessment. You choose your mark. I know several punters who indulge, and ladies too. Full moon parties (not my generation) are legendary for the menu on offer.
The guys doing long time in jail here try to smuggle shit in or out by the kilo. That's suicide.
If you were unlucky enough to get nailed for a smoke, a reefer is likely to cost you a relatively expensive bribe, and you're walking away. Have you ever seen anyone, Thai or Farang, paraded before the cameras with a single blunt on the desk of shame? Me neither.
If you think about it, the girls really want as little to do with the cops as possible, extrapolate that to your home country and the same rules of disengagement apply, for universal reasons, no one is turning you in for a quick puff, it implicates them, plus for all the girl knows, you could be one evil sumbitch, and arrange a little 'snitch payback' from inside, thus for a piddly smoke or a few shards, no one would risk it, the cops would not 'reward' them either, especially here, that's just ludicrous.
Much worse shit is rife here, and we all know that. In December of last year the Viagra stalls were selling rather crappy leaf on Sukhumvit, you just needed to look for the famed five fingered leaf motif either as a decal or a drawing, at those particular stalls, and you could get a compressed large 'oxo' cube for about THB200 bargaining hard.
Someone using a 'vicks' inhaler on the same street or in a club / bar is signalling they are marketing or looking for nose candy, which is likely to be meth rather than charlie. Naturally, now you're getting into heavy territory, but yeah, shit and the means to get it is everywhere, most of the girls are well up for it too, and if they aren't, just move on, so long as you are not dumb enough to be carrying in public, chances of being busted are no greater than elsewhere, and maybe even less. This is not news, actually it is, people (anonymous young recreational user Thais) have told no less than the Bangkok Post about the 'vicks' thing. That's how I know about it. Glass meth pipes and bongs can be found along Sukhumvit as well, what are they for, tourist souvenirs? Clearly there is a reasonable market, or they would not go to the trouble.
No doubt there will be outraged howls from blokes who are not willing to take the risk, or who always just say 'no' so be it. Strokes for folks. It's out there and it's not going away no matter how may people they hang, and lock up. One day they'll figure out there's more money to be made by taxing it like nicotine, instead of letting the cartels make trillions forever.
[QUOTE=BionicMan;1633896]A thai boyfriend adds to the sick buffalo, the dead grandmothers, the young brother in hopistal, the mother about to die, the elder sister at university. Money suckers.[/QUOTE]No doubt. Mang das they are. But I am just there for her snatch. Not really interested in her personal life.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1633867]Syn, I am amazed that is bothers some dudes that a WG has a Thai boyfriend. Does not bother me in the least. Kind of likes dudes that get upset when some other guy they know takes the same WG. They are WGs FFS! A quick shower and they are good as new.[/QUOTE]I have no jealousy for other custmers or who she wants to fuck. I prefer not to know if she has a Thai BF.
However when I know the BG has a Farang BF being duped, gets bashed by her Thai boy on the side I lose all respect for her and suddenly the desire disappears, perhaps even if she is the hottest girl around. If she is financing a house construction or Mother's gambling habit, I don't get the same bad feeling.
One girl I knew did booze, drugs, gambling, had a Thai BF, etc. Its like the money is getting pissed away, same as I waste it on mongering. Its better not to know anything.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1631884] I partake less and less now. Probably only about 3 times a month. Why? Because it is harder and harder for me to find a decent mix of looks and performance and I get tired of doing the same gal over and over again. Many times I do a walk of the PSEs and I'm hornier than a three-peckered billy goat, but the gals there are so physically unappealing that I just end up heading home. I would be just as frustrated if I took a "pretty" GoGo gal and she would not rim or get nasty like a PSE shop gal. I would gladly pay GoGo gal prices if I was assured of getting full on PSE performance. Sadly that option just does not really exist here. Closest to here might be the saunas in Macau.[/QUOTE]Goat, sounds like you know the town too well! I haven't been to BKK in many years. Been spending my time in China. But I'll be passing through for one afternoon in a few weeks and was looking for a few suggestions. I am picky. I don't want MILFs and I don't want chubby girls and I don't want hard fake tits. I DO want young (truly less than 25), thin, be or see cups and naturally good service (BBBJ, fingering, anal would be a plus but I know that's asking a lot. Can I find this at Annies (pix look like a lot of fatties)? Or one of the oilies? Cherry's? Bamboo? On a Thursday late afternoon??
I was in Tulip a few years ago and that was depressing. Lots of old flabby gals. If you had to make a rifle shot suggestion of the one best place for me to try, what would you say??
Anyone else have a suggestion?
Much appreciated!
Mick.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1633993]These are stories that regularly are told about many bars and not only in Bangkok. I think that if you really want to do some serious money laundering a bar or naughty massage shop is the last thing that comes into your mind. Not only is the amount of money you can channel through it too small to bother, the various overheads (such as contributions to the local constabulary's tea money fund; maintaining all that useless staff; . . .) will eat into your bottom line, making the whole operation rather inefficient.
I think one can safely say that this is one of the urban legends.[/QUOTE]So then what is your explanation for the bars filled with Coyoto girls and no customers?
For all I know the local constabulary might be involved as well and is also laundering money through these bars.
[QUOTE=SteelBaton;1634152]Goat, sounds like you know the town too well! I haven't been to BKK in many years. Been spending my time in China. But I'll be passing through for one afternoon in a few weeks and was looking for a few suggestions. I am picky. I don't want MILFs and I don't want chubby girls and I don't want hard fake tits. I DO want young (truly less than 25), thin, be or see cups and naturally good service (BBBJ, fingering, anal would be a plus but I know that's asking a lot. Can I find this at Annies (pix look like a lot of fatties)? Or one of the oilies? Cherry's? Bamboo? On a Thursday late afternoon??
I was in Tulip a few years ago and that was depressing. Lots of old flabby gals. If you had to make a rifle shot suggestion of the one best place for me to try, what would you say??
Anyone else have a suggestion?
Much appreciated!
Mick.[/QUOTE]Hey, Mick.
During my recent trip I went to a bunch of different oily and soapy parlors. Nataree, the soapy near Huay Kwang Station, was by far the best. Get there around 4 pm and you will be more than pleased. Probably no anal but you will find the rest on your list.
Good luck,
Scorcher.
[QUOTE=SteelBaton;1634152]Goat, sounds like you know the town too well! I haven't been to BKK in many years. Been spending my time in China. But I'll be passing through for one afternoon in a few weeks and was looking for a few suggestions. I am picky. I don't want MILFs and I don't want chubby girls and I don't want hard fake tits. I DO want young (truly less than 25), thin, be or see cups and naturally good service (BBBJ, fingering, anal would be a plus but I know that's asking a lot. Can I find this at Annies (pix look like a lot of fatties)? Or one of the oilies? Cherry's? Bamboo? On a Thursday late afternoon??
I was in Tulip a few years ago and that was depressing. Lots of old flabby gals. If you had to make a rifle shot suggestion of the one best place for me to try, what would you say??
Anyone else have a suggestion?
Much appreciated!
Mick.[/QUOTE]Gratzi!
Your best best for decent looking at the oilies is either Snow White or Lilly. There are some new gals at Lilly that might fit the bill.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1634052]I have no jealousy for other custmers or who she wants to fuck. I prefer not to know if she has a Thai BF.
However when I know the BG has a Farang BF being duped, gets bashed by her Thai boy on the side I lose all respect for her and suddenly the desire disappears, perhaps even if she is the hottest girl around. If she is financing a house construction or Mother's gambling habit, I don't get the same bad feeling.
One girl I knew did booze, drugs, gambling, had a Thai BF, etc. Its like the money is getting pissed away, same as I waste it on mongering. Its better not to know anything.[/QUOTE]How can you tell when a Thai bar girl is lying? Her mouth is open and sound is coming out. Not in 100% of the cases, but in many. Why? Truth just is not that important to Thais. Seems to be that way in all face based cultures. Losing face is not the same as having a conscience.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1633224]I'd have no idea how old TGs are without seeing their identification cards. Do you believe the age they tell you?
I've seen many at the Nana Hotel Parking Lot who looked about 18 & it turns out they're 5 or 10 years older.
RTF. There are plenty of references to where to find younger ladies.
3000 baht? For LT or the newbie to BKK who doesn't know any better rate? Or the it's low season no customers so up the price so I can pay loom pricing? Try the NEP area streetwalkers for no more than 1000 to 1500ST.[/QUOTE]Hey PinkPearl,
Where is NEP area? Never heard of that so far. Thanks for responding.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1634279]How can you tell when a Thai bar girl is lying? Her mouth is open and sound is coming out. Not in 100% of the cases, but in many. Why? Truth just is not that important to Thais. Seems to be that way in all face based cultures. Losing face is not the same as having a conscience.[/QUOTE]Bargirls may be a different breed. Most Thai girls that I have known closely (non bar girls) really hate liars. Truth is important to them, but not to all Thais. I have even known some apparently truthful bargirls that have little to hide from me, but have plenty to hide from others. One long time bargirl, these days only appears occasionally, tells me she has a Tom girlfriend not in Bangkok and shows me the picture, but then tells me the Tom doesn't know she sometimes works in the bar and especially doesn't know she fucks guys. I try to always put myself in a position where there is little reason to tell me bullshit.
Obviously girls that work the sex industry, need to lie to others about what they do, as it is generally not socially acceptable. So really the justification behind lies is important, and many things that a person does not know about me, will not hurt them.
Girls I have been close to in recent years typically clam up and say nothing rather than tell outright lies. I have known some really shocking liars as well.
I imagine that while we can be truthful on this forum, hiding behind a pseudonym, very few of us will be fully truthful about our mongering in real life.
In my opinion, everyone lies if they really have to. I don't fully understand why someone having told a minor or diplomatic lie should be reviled. The people that irritate me are the ones who lie needlessly, or what we might call bullshit artists or even con artists. Thais that recommend certain things where they get commission are of course a type of con artist. Even relatively truthful Thais have been known to do this and not think it is so bad.
Thai society is indeed full of liars, especially including Politicians, Police, etc.
[QUOTE=Roginho;1634326]Hey PinkPearl,
Where is NEP area? Never heard of that so far. Thanks for responding.[/QUOTE]NEP stands for Nana Entertainment Plaza, the most famous mongering spot in Thailand, SEA, & the globe:
[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nana_Plaza[/URL]
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1634197]So then what is your explanation for the bars filled with Coyoto girls and no customers?
For all I know the local constabulary might be involved as well and is also laundering money through these bars.[/QUOTE]I have no idea what they are up to. Perhaps the owner of the bar is just a charitable person, providing employment for poor girls. It seems just as likely as it being a money laundering operation.
[QUOTE=Roginho;1634326]Hey PinkPearl,
Where is NEP area? Never heard of that so far. Thanks for responding.[/QUOTE]Have you ever been to BKK?
[QUOTE=Roginho;1634326]Hey PinkPearl,
Where is NEP area? Never heard of that so far. Thanks for responding.[/QUOTE]Google is your friend: [URL]https://www.google.be/maps/@13.7415058,100.5529999,3a,75y,90h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1scmL4j2ih8kVdb0PULrJZ6w!2e0?hl=nl[/URL]
I am visiting Bangkok from 1st Nov to 5th Nov. Then flying to Singapore.
Basis of RTFF and other inputs I have planned as under to experience a mix of FL, Oily / Soapy, BJ and Go-Go scene being my first visit to BKK.
Day 1: Land in afternoon. Session at Nataree in evening and later in the night at Spasso / CM2.
Day 2: BJ session at kasalong / Dr BJ in afternoon followed by session at Mango in the evening and visit to Thermae / Mixx or Shock 39.
Day 3: Session at EZ1 in afternoon followed by Eden in evening and NEP at night either in Hot Lips / Angelwitch / Mandarin.
Day 4: A massage session w BJ at one of the 7/1 alley in evening followed by visit to Soi cowboy in night either in Baccara / Crazy House / Suzie Wong.
Day 5: Session at Poseidon or Amsterdam. Leave for Singapore in evening.
I have booked stay in Sukhumvit. I would request seniors and other members to provide their valuable inputs.
Thank you in advance.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1634338]Bargirls may be a different breed. Most Thai girls that I have known closely (non bar girls) really hate liars. Truth is important to them, but not to all Thais. I have even known some apparently truthful bargirls that have little to hide from me, but have plenty to hide from others. One long time bargirl, these days only appears occasionally, tells me she has a Tom girlfriend not in Bangkok and shows me the picture, but then tells me the Tom doesn't know she sometimes works in the bar and especially doesn't know she fucks guys. I try to always put myself in a position where there is little reason to tell me bullshit.
Obviously girls that work the sex industry, need to lie to others about what they do, as it is generally not socially acceptable. So really the justification behind lies is important, and many things that a person does not know about me, will not hurt them.
Girls I have been close to in recent years typically clam up and say nothing rather than tell outright lies. I have known some really shocking liars as well.
I imagine that while we can be truthful on this forum, hiding behind a pseudonym, very few of us will be fully truthful about our mongering in real life.
In my opinion, everyone lies if they really have to. I don't fully understand why someone having told a minor or diplomatic lie should be reviled. The people that irritate me are the ones who lie needlessly, or what we might call bullshit artists or even con artists. Thais that recommend certain things where they get commission are of course a type of con artist. Even relatively truthful Thais have been known to do this and not think it is so bad.
Thai society is indeed full of liars, especially including Politicians, Police, etc.[/QUOTE]I have found that most Thais purport to be truthful and to hate "liars. " I think this is all part of keeping and saving face. Of course this is a double edged sword. They will also give you the benefit of the doubt in many situations.
I think most Thai gals "expect" Farangs to be "honest" with them. Most western dudes I know promise gals the world right off the bat. As I have said before, they stick it in and in 6 seconds they are in love. They promise fidelity and then they end up with a gal who follows their every move. Never really had that experience myself. My gals have always left me alone. Never been "up in my shit" at all. Of course I am not up in theirs either.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1634276]Gratzi!
Your best best for decent looking at the oilies is either Snow White or Lilly. There are some new gals at Lilly that might fit the bill.[/QUOTE]Helpful insight Goatscrot. Snow White is definitely on the short list but I don't see Lilly massage on google, any info appreciated! Also do you think 101 Premier is worth a look? I know even after the best made plans it usually ends up being blind luck.
[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1634402]I am visiting Bangkok from 1st Nov to 5th Nov. Then flying to Singapore.
Basis of RTFF and other inputs I have planned as under to experience a mix of FL, Oily / Soapy, BJ and Go-Go scene being my first visit to BKK.
Day 1: Land in afternoon. Session at Nataree in evening and later in the night at Spasso / CM2.
Day 2: BJ session at kasalong / Dr BJ in afternoon followed by session at Mango in the evening and visit to Thermae / Mixx or Shock 39.
Day 3: Session at EZ1 in afternoon followed by Eden in evening and NEP at night either in Hot Lips / Angelwitch / Mandarin.
Day 4: A massage session w BJ at one of the 7/1 alley in evening followed by visit to Soi cowboy in night either in Baccara / Crazy House / Suzie Wong.
Day 5: Session at Poseidon or Amsterdam. Leave for Singapore in evening.
[/QUOTE]That's an action packed schedule, if you are up for it, they all sound good. However, just go with the flow, since you are in the general Sukh area you can move from one place to another easily without having to consult an itinerary. Among the BJ bars, other than those listed you could also look into Som's Haven. For PSE Oilies, morning staff IME at EZ1 isn't great (unless you will be booking a particular girl in advance), alternatively you can look into Mango, Tulip, Snow White etc. , which are around the corner. After a PSE Oily, wonder if you will want to go to another extreme joint like Eden, but no harm in trying.
[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1634402]
Basis of RTFF and other inputs I have planned as under to experience a mix of FL, Oily / Soapy, BJ and Go-Go scene being my first visit to BKK.
I would request seniors and other members to provide their valuable inputs.
[/QUOTE]I think like another poster you should consider to go with the flow more. You might walk into some joint, spend 10 minutes, really hate it, and move on.
By all means create a list of places and where they are located understand where they are roughly on a Map and how you will get there by sky train, underground, taxi, motorbike taxi, or walk, expected "class" level of the place, etc. Then tick them off after you look in each. Choose depending on your mood on the day.
Maybe create a Google Map with pins for places that might be worth looking at. I guess you won't go very far afield that often.
I would suggest you will want to look at many things in first day or 2 but not partake in everything looked at.
When some things really appeal, you will want to return another time. Some idiots met their future wife on first day in Thailand. LOL.
Its easy for me because I already know where everything is, how best to get there, etc. , but I still don't know which thing will be good on the day. I often check out several places in succession before deciding which place has girls that appeal on the day.
As example, both Nana Plaza and Cowboy have many bars I could look in on same day, but I will not check them all. Sukhumvit Soi 24/1 has many massage places, so I can check several in fairly quick time.
Finally, be aware that that tall pretty girl with exaggerated walk and movements, may have a deep voice or not, may have a dick or not. Watch out for suspicious looking girls. Nana Plaza has huge numbers of Ladyboys.
Also beware of people trying to be too helpful. There are a lot of scams. Don't take Tuk Tuks. For tourists only and will be ripped off. Don't take a parked taxi. Take one passing by.
Speak English very slowly and no complex words. Walk away from trouble. Shower at least twice per day. Dress casual but well. Thais like clean and tidy. You can't get into Mixx unless you wear shoes and socks, shirt with collar etc.
[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1634402]I am visiting Bangkok from 1st Nov to 5th Nov. Then flying to Singapore.
Basis of RTFF and other inputs I have planned as under to experience a mix of FL, Oily / Soapy, BJ and Go-Go scene being my first visit to BKK.
Day 1: Land in afternoon. Session at Nataree in evening and later in the night at Spasso / CM2.
Day 2: BJ session at kasalong / Dr BJ in afternoon followed by session at Mango in the evening and visit to Thermae / Mixx or Shock 39.
Day 3: Session at EZ1 in afternoon followed by Eden in evening and NEP at night either in Hot Lips / Angelwitch / Mandarin.
Day 4: A massage session w BJ at one of the 7/1 alley in evening followed by visit to Soi cowboy in night either in Baccara / Crazy House / Suzie Wong.
Day 5: Session at Poseidon or Amsterdam. Leave for Singapore in evening.
I have booked stay in Sukhumvit. I would request seniors and other members to provide their valuable inputs.
Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]That's a very comprehensive program. I'd call it "See all of naughty Bangkok in 5 days". Obviously you have done your homework remarkably well. My congratulations to you. It is refreshing to see someone really preparing his trip, rather than demanding the information is provided to them on a silver platter.
I have but one general comment: with this program you will either fall in love before the second day is over or by then you will be so tired and worn out that you will want to sleep for the next three days.
Take it easy dude! This is Thailand where the best laid plans don't survive contact with reality. Know the lay of the land and let the vibe of the place get into you.
I am a fairly regular visitor to Thailand for many years and I have yet to visit most of the places you list in your schedule, but that probably says more about me and my age. For all I know you are a young stud and have a magic dick.
[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1634402]
Day 2: BJ session at kasalong / Dr BJ in afternoon followed by session at Mango in the evening and visit to Thermae / Mixx or Shock 39.
Day 3: Session at EZ1 in afternoon followed by Eden in evening and NEP at night either in Hot Lips / Angelwitch / Mandarin.
Day 4: A massage session w BJ at one of the 7/1 alley in evening followed by visit to Soi cowboy in night either in Baccara / Crazy House / Suzie Wong.
Day 5: Session at Poseidon or Amsterdam. Leave for Singapore in evening.
[/QUOTE]Some additional comments.
Once my Japanese friend, tried Thermae, HE liked little else. However if you are not Japanese, it could be a waste of time, other than a quick look to see what happens.
If at Nana Plaza, you should look in Rainbow 4 as it has the most girls and is most popular I guess.
If looking in Poseidon, may as well look in Copa Cabana also as its very close by 3 minutes walk in the side Soi.
Mango and EZ are right near each other in Soi 24. May as well look in both on same day although Mango is more porn star oriented of the two.
Some day have a look at Soi 24/1 Massage places including Lilly, Boss, etc. And check Snow White at Soi 26 very close.
A very quick glance in Crazy House last night. At that time girls were not fully naked. I guess it is currently varying from night to night and time to time depending on whether the Police are hanging around too close or not. 2 previous nights they were naked.
Other naked bars maybe similarly variable. e.g. Suzi Wong.
I really hate it when all the girls have bras on, even if there are no knickers under the semi-see-through short skirt. Seeing pussy is just not enough for me. LOL I like sleek naked curves.
[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1634402]I am visiting Bangkok from 1st Nov to 5th Nov. Then flying to Singapore.
Basis of RTFF and other inputs I have planned as under to experience a mix of FL, Oily / Soapy, BJ and Go-Go scene being my first visit to BKK.
Day 1: Land in afternoon. Session at Nataree in evening and later in the night at Spasso / CM2.
Day 2: BJ session at kasalong / Dr BJ in afternoon followed by session at Mango in the evening and visit to Thermae / Mixx or Shock 39.
Day 3: Session at EZ1 in afternoon followed by Eden in evening and NEP at night either in Hot Lips / Angelwitch / Mandarin.
Day 4: A massage session w BJ at one of the 7/1 alley in evening followed by visit to Soi cowboy in night either in Baccara / Crazy House / Suzie Wong.
Day 5: Session at Poseidon or Amsterdam. Leave for Singapore in evening.
I have booked stay in Sukhumvit. I would request seniors and other members to provide their valuable inputs.
Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]You can skip CM2 from your list. Already closed since beginning 2014. Spasso is still a good pick up place. You also can try Bangkok Beat Sukhumvite Soi 7/1. But take in mind that since the military took over all these bars close strickly at 2 AM. Enjoy.
[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1634510]That's an action packed schedule, if you are up for it, they all sound good. [/QUOTE]Thank you ActionOriented. Yes I guess I am up for it. Two years of FKK trips have help me build confidence and strength to do multiple sessions in short time. Need a lot of aqua and fresh orange juice in the breaks (smokes also help me relax. Nothing like one after a good session). Avoid drinking so as to not impair / delay my schedule and trust me I enjoy it this way. Not a rush job that I am trying to finish or achieve a record. Only thing that relaxes me is the jacuzzi / whirlpool which I won't get to enjoy as much in this part of the world in places I intent to visit. I had read your in your earlier report on Soms haven, included that as an option. Similarly will do a walk through with EZ and keep Mango, Tulip, Snow White as an option as well.
And yes I am going to hunt and buy those Sagami 0.01 or 0.02 before I start.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1634517]I think like another poster you should consider to go with the flow more. You might walk into some joint, spend 10 minutes, really hate it, and move on.
...........................................can't get into Mixx unless you wear shoes and socks, shirt with collar etc.[/QUOTE]Thank you Syzygies. All inputs taken. No tuk tuks. Avoid interaction with people overly friendly or trying to. Avoid parked taxi. My Singapore buddy might be joining me for 2/3 days hence that would help in company terms while going around. As suggested by all of you am going to be doing a lot of walk through and then decide. The itinerary was designed by me as a base. Will update basis of your and other members inputs. Since I plan to visit FL bars will be carrying few clothes and shoes for entry to the venue.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1634541]That's a very comprehensive program. I'd call it "See all of naughty Bangkok in 5 days". Obviously you have done your homework remarkably well. My congratulations to you. It is refreshing to see someone really preparing his trip, rather than demanding the information is provided to them on a silver platter......................... For all I know you are a young stud and have a magic dick.[/QUOTE]Thank you Wolvenvacht. My biggest fear is what you have mentioned. Either I fall in love with the city. Or I won't return soon. I am going to take it slow as I don't carry any other agenda to this city. Maybe a visit to Royal palace, Buddha temple, Lebua tower (etc but complete time is dedicated to relaxing myself and experiencing the best possible of Bangkok without stressing or exhausting myself. My benchmark currently is Germany. Singapore have not yet been able to experience well enough maybe once I fly back from Bangkok I have 4 days there to try the city all over again. Second chance in the city and then form an opinion.
I have just turned 40 and single. But when you are living in a conservative country like mine then one tends to build up attitude and stamina to enjoy on these small excursions throughout the year and release the bottled up energy.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1634547]Some additional comments.
Once my Japanese friend, tried Thermae, HE liked little else. However if you are not Japanese, it could be a waste of time, other than a quick look to see what happens. If at Nana Plaza, you should look in Rainbow 4 as it has the most girls and is most popular I guess.
Some day have a look at Soi 24/1 Massage places including Lilly, Boss, etc. And check Snow White at Soi 26 very close.[/QUOTE]Syzygies,
I belong to South Asia hence basis reading of earlier posts in the forum I would want to avoid Rainbow 4 so as to not spoil up my mood for the trip or evening in particular. Sometimes the best might not be for me. Is my thinking.
I have kept options for Thermae and will skip it as I am not Japanese.
I am still skeptical about the hotel hence am going to request inputs in the appropriate thread. And yes I will post all my experience from the trip as soon as I am back.
And thank you to all other seniors and members who help amateurs like me.
[QUOTE=Somewhere15;1634570]You can skip CM2 from your list. Already closed since beginning 2014. Spasso is still a good pick up place. You also can try Bangkok Beat Sukhumvite Soi 7/1. But take in mind that since the military took over all these bars close strickly at 2 AM. Enjoy.[/QUOTE]Thank you Somewhere15. I do plan to retire back to hotel latest by 1 am preferably. I have a list of options in FL places listed as under. However as pointed out by you my information might be slightly outdated.
Spasso.
MIXX.
Levels.
Thermae Bar.
Insanity disco (ex Insomnia).
Q Bar.
Spicy.
Shock 39.
Climax.
Swing.
Mai Peng.
Bossy.
I have planned 2 nights for FL bars hence request if you can help me identify places which I should visit for a better experience basis of current situation.
[QUOTE=Gm698;1634457]Helpful insight Goatscrot. Snow White is definitely on the short list but I don't see Lilly massage on google, any info appreciated! Also do you think 101 Premier is worth a look? I know even after the best made plans it usually ends up being blind luck.[/QUOTE]Never been to Premier. At the bottom of the Snow website you can see the Lilly gals. Same owner.
[QUOTE=Gm698;1634457]Helpful insight Goatscrot. Snow White is definitely on the short list but I don't see Lilly massage on google, any info appreciated! Also do you think 101 Premier is worth a look? I know even after the best made plans it usually ends up being blind luck.[/QUOTE]I went there twice during my trip and would recommend it as a stop. The facility was nicer than most of the competing nearby oily places and the selection of girls is good. I tried a girl called Lilly and she was very nice. There was a better selection of girls than Snow White and the other places as well.
Scorcher.
[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1634578]Only thing that relaxes me is the jacuzzi / whirlpool which I won't get to enjoy as much in this part of the world in places I intent to visit. I had read your in your earlier report on Soms haven, included that as an option. Similarly will do a walk through with EZ and keep Mango, Tulip, Snow White as an option as well.
And yes I am going to hunt and buy those Sagami 0.01 or 0.02 before I start.
[/QUOTE]You have done your research, that's good LOL. May be you can enjoy the jacuzzi (not sure about the whirlpool) in LOS, but probably from your hotel room. While I was in Pattaya, I booked rooms having jacuzzi's (some are reasonably priced - Fourteen Again, China Garden etc) and just bring the girls back to your room and make full use of the facilities on the premises. Also, while I do not know any such place in Bangkok, there is a place called M-club in Pattaya which has a pool and girls (not sure about a jacuzzi and sauna) all at the same place (there could be more such places but I am not aware). You can check this place out, if you are planning to extend your trip to cover Pattaya as well.
[URL]http://www.mclubpattaya.com/entertainment/[/URL]
Also, if you are going to be spending time at the soapies, they will have extra large tubs where you will be washed thoroughly but you may not get to enjoy a jacuzzi unless you take their premium rooms (others may know more about this, I never bother with the higher priced rooms).
[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1634941]You have done your research, that's good LOL. May be you can enjoy the jacuzzi (not sure about the whirlpool) in LOS, but probably from your hotel room. While I was in Pattaya, I booked rooms having jacuzzi's (some are reasonably priced - Fourteen Again, China Garden etc) and just bring the girls back to your room and make full use of the facilities on the premises. Also, while I do not know any such place in Bangkok, there is a place called M-club in Pattaya which has a pool and girls (not sure about a jacuzzi and sauna) all at the same place (there could be more such places but I am not aware). You can check this place out, if you are planning to extend your trip to cover Pattaya as well.
[URL]http://www.mclubpattaya.com/entertainment/[/URL]
Also, if you are going to be spending time at the soapies, they will have extra large tubs where you will be washed thoroughly but you may not get to enjoy a jacuzzi unless you take their premium rooms (others may know more about this, I never bother with the higher priced rooms).[/QUOTE]Thank you for the suggestions. Will be booking hotel accordingly to ensure at least they have a Jacuzzi in the spa.
Regarding Pattaya. Trip is scheduled but in April next year when I will do my 3rd trip to Singapore. Will be within 1 year span. Never exposed and didn't want to visit this side of the world after my 2 trips to Deutschland (FKKs) but then guess I am really falling in love with Singapore. The food, cleanliness and cozy nature of the city has simply got me and not to mentioned short distance travel to Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Indonesia (all in my future visit list) can be clubbed. I will be joined by two of my other similar interests gentlemen on that Pattaya trip. I will definitely be seeking inputs from all of you that time in Pattaya thread.
Also needed your inputs on whether I should stick to unite change or try super rich for the forex.
[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1635114]
Also needed your inputs on whether I should stick to unite change or try super rich for the forex.[/QUOTE]I don't want to write off Unite Change with only one attempt, you can make that your first stop and you can always have the rate on Superrich website handy on your phone. Also, I think the Phloen Chit / Chitlom station where you will get off also has a Superrich (this is orange) (there are two Superrich, I prefer this one - [URL]http://superrichthai.com/[/URL] (this is green)). Whichever shop offers the best rate, my suggestion would be go there (unless a few dollars doesn't make a difference). Also, Superrich is closed on Sunday and closes by 6 pm on Saturday, so plan accordingly. I wonder if there is a better money changer offering a better rate out there.
[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1634402]I am visiting Bangkok from 1st Nov to 5th Nov. Then flying to Singapore.
Basis of RTFF and other inputs I have planned as under to experience a mix of FL, Oily / Soapy, BJ and Go-Go scene being my first visit to BKK.
Day 1: Land in afternoon. Session at Nataree in evening and later in the night at Spasso / CM2.
Day 2: BJ session at kasalong / Dr BJ in afternoon followed by session at Mango in the evening and visit to Thermae / Mixx or Shock 39.
Day 3: Session at EZ1 in afternoon followed by Eden in evening and NEP at night either in Hot Lips / Angelwitch / Mandarin.
Day 4: A massage session w BJ at one of the 7/1 alley in evening followed by visit to Soi cowboy in night either in Baccara / Crazy House / Suzie Wong.
Day 5: Session at Poseidon or Amsterdam. Leave for Singapore in evening.
I have booked stay in Sukhumvit. I would request seniors and other members to provide their valuable inputs.
Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]Great itinerary; shows your research and devotion to topic. I tried to do similar trip a few weeks ago, but had to squeeze in work while there, so not so much time. But I'll be back in December, and get a weekend between trips. Maybe worth a run down to Pattaya?
I was very impressed with Nataree. It, too, was my first stop, and nothing else quite met that level of service. The next day I went to Dr. BJ, and was not impressed with any of the ladies. I wound up across the street at their sister shop, Dr. Nuru, and was very pleased with both massage and service. However, for the same price, there was much better selection at Nataree. I spent the next night wandering around NEP, but didn't make it to Soi Cowboy. Have to leave some things for the next trip.
[QUOTE=ViajeroGringo;1635177]
I was very impressed with Nataree. It, too, was my first stop, and nothing else quite met that level of service. The next day I went to Dr. BJ, and was not impressed with any of the ladies. I wound up across the street at their sister shop, Dr. Nuru, and was very pleased with both massage and service. However, for the same price, there was much better selection at Nataree. I spent the next night wandering around NEP, but didn't make it to Soi Cowboy. [/QUOTE]You can be impressed on with the line up at a place. For service, it is the individual lady that matters. Then, if you get the combination of looks and super service, you got lucky. That is my experience.
I arrived late last night from the UK. Been traveling for work a lot but finally made it back here. I met this lady at Insanity disco.
She is 32 and very sexy. She has a day job but I made her work extra hard last night.
Nothing has changed here I see. Still many pretty girls who will take care of you.
Hi guys,
I am on trip to Bangkok from 24th October to 26 October.
Please share important things I have to try.
Cheers
[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1635167]I don't want to write off Unite Change with only one attempt, you can make that your first stop and you can always have the rate on Superrich website handy on your phone. Also, I think the Phloen Chit / Chitlom station where you will get off also has a Superrich (this is orange) (there are two Superrich, I prefer this one - [URL]http://superrichthai.com/[/URL] (this is green)). Whichever shop offers the best rate, my suggestion would be go there (unless a few dollars doesn't make a difference). Also, Superrich is closed on Sunday and closes by 6 pm on Saturday, so plan accordingly. I wonder if there is a better money changer offering a better rate out there.[/QUOTE]Noted. I am going to land on Saturday so will go to unite change and check super rich on phone. Should be done before thy close.
[QUOTE=ViajeroGringo;1635177]Great itinerary; shows your research and devotion to topic. I tried to do similar trip a few weeks ago, but had to squeeze in work while there, so not so much time. But I'll be back in December, and get a weekend between trips. Maybe worth a run down to Pattaya?
I was very impressed with Nataree. It, too, was my first stop, and nothing else quite met that level of service. The next day I went to Dr. BJ, and was not impressed with any of the ladies. I wound up across the street at their sister shop, Dr. Nuru, and was very pleased with both massage and service. However, for the same price, there was much better selection at Nataree. I spent the next night wandering around NEP, but didn't make it to Soi Cowboy. Have to leave some things for the next trip.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the input ViajeroGringo. This was a base itinerary. Have added Som's haven as an alternative. Besides I am going to be doing a lot of walk through and would indulge only if I feel like. Not going to complete the act only as a formality or out of compulsion of having entered the joint.
I am not impressed with Thermae and Biere garten. Both peak in the last evening and still have hopeless quality.
I am wondering if there is any point in visiting Gullivers during afternoon around 2/3 pm for freelancers?
Or is the quality same as in Beer Garten?
And I guess that's about it for freelancers during day time or am I missing some other venue?
[QUOTE=Margaya;1635498]I am not impressed with Thermae and Biere garten. Both peak in the last evening and still have hopeless quality.
I am wondering if there is any point in visiting Gullivers during afternoon around 2/3 pm for freelancers?
Or is the quality same as in Biere Garten?
And I guess that's about it for freelancers during day time or am I missing some other venue?[/QUOTE]Around 2/3 pm you will not find many girls in Guillivers.
Visit Guilliver between 17:00 and 21:00 and you can score for sure. Some girls come with a (female) friend and have some food there. If you can connect with them you will be surprised what is possible. Enjoy.
Personally I like Guillivers much more then Beergarden.
I've read about street walkers in other locations than the Sukhumvit area somewhere in this Bangkok thread but I can't seem to find it back. Can anybody help me out? I believe it was in China Town or in the vicinity of some MRT or BTS station, I'm not sure.
I want to broaden my horizon next time I'm in Bangkok.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1635757]I've read about street walkers in other locations than the Sukhumvit area somewhere in this Bangkok thread but I can't seem to find it back. Can anybody help me out? I believe it was in China Town or in the vicinity of some MRT or BTS station, I'm not sure.
I want to broaden my horizon next time I'm in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Was the place called Thanon Phet Uthai? May be this can help - [URL]http://www.bangkokredeye.com/thai-freelancers.html[/URL].
[QUOTE=Margaya;1635498]I am wondering if there is any point in visiting Gullivers during afternoon around 2/3 pm for freelancers?
Or is the quality same as in Beer Garten?
And I guess that's about it for freelancers during day time or am I missing some other venue?[/QUOTE]At that time of day the clear hotties will be snapped up quickly.
There will be more ladies at Beergarten in the afternoon. I like to have a drink outside at one of the venue's on Soi 7 and watch them come and go. This allows for a better look at their bodies, and for me makes it easier to pick a winner rather than the dark noisy sea of ladies inside the bar. Follow her into the bar and be the first to approach her. This method requires patience.
The open air bars along Soi 4 near the Nana Hotel will aways have some FL's during the day, but it is not peak time and generally hit or miss.
SL.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1635757]I've read about street walkers in other locations than the Sukhumvit area somewhere in this Bangkok thread but I can't seem to find it back. Can anybody help me out? I believe it was in China Town or in the vicinity of some MRT or BTS station, I'm not sure. [/QUOTE]In Chinatown, streetwalkers are on streets and alleyways around Wong Wian 22 (yee-sip song), then down on to Charoen Krung and Soi Texas (one with the seafood). Look in smaller streets as well. If you go by MRT get out at Hualamphong and walk over the canal. Google map: [URL]http://goo.gl/R7wDP0[/URL].
Khlong Lot is another streetwalker area, south of Khao San Road. Cross Rachadamnoen Klang (big road parallel to Khao San), and you're there. Some workers on Rachadamnoen Klang itself, and more in the slum south of it (focused around Hotel 39 and another whose name I don't recall), which stretches for several blocks. Starts out OK, then the farther south you go, the more scary it becomes (up to the point of 200 baht grannies and 40 baht no-bahtroom shacks). Google map: [URL]http://goo.gl/BqGZW0[/URL].
Both areas are distinctively low-end, and oriented almost entirely towards Thais. Costs normally 300-700 baht, plus 70-120 for the short time hotel (depending on quality). Some daytime action as well.
Prices are low, some girls look fine (others scary), and service is generally quite poor (a shower and a starfish quickie, often no BJ), with occasional exceptions. Some years ago, I would strongly recommend against these places, but nowadays service on Sukhumvit is going to shit as well and quality of girls is poor, so given the cheap price, may well try.
The area is not particularly Farang-friendly. Some girls (and even some hotels), may reject you, especially if you don't speak Thai, but most still don't mind your business.
Word of caution. Be extra careful in these areas, and do NOT go there drunk. While you're generally safe just walking around the area, in case of dispute with a girl (over money, service or theft), things can get ugly quickly. This is especially true of Chinatown, I've seen Thai punters smacked around by thugs, and heard of girls stealing (so watch your possessions at all times). Be ready to cut your losses and get out.
It's not for the faint of heart, nothing like the vibe of Sukhumvit or Pattaya, but still fun to look around (perhaps more than to actually go with the girls from there, although at 500 baht / pop, it's hard to go wrong).
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1635757]I've read about street walkers in other locations than the Sukhumvit area somewhere in this Bangkok thread but I can't seem to find it back. Can anybody help me out? I believe it was in China Town or in the vicinity of some MRT or BTS station, I'm not sure.
I want to broaden my horizon next time I'm in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]At one time Thanon Kamphaeng Phet 7 next to the RR tracks and west of Asoke was a good place to find FLs. I would not describe them as street walkers. Most of the johns visiting the location were Thai. The best time to go was late. There were many attractive girls there. Supposedly some of them also worked in the soapies. Few Farangs went there but those who did were not unwelcome.
Day time, 10 am-4 pm. Where is a good place to pick up a lady, will be staying near the Asia Hotel.
[QUOTE=OrionWyn;1635935]Day time, 10 am-4 pm. Where is a good place to pick up a lady, will be staying near the Asia Hotel.[/QUOTE]You could not even be bothered to tell us where it is. None of us would stay in that area. Technically Chao Phraya 3 Soapy is not far away (less than 2 km), but on other side of river. Don't know what time the girls start arriving. Not as early as 10 AM I am sure.
At night maybe can pick cheap street walker ladies around Sanam Luang. During the day? Probably not.
I guess you need to find some suspect massage shops in the area.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1635911]At one time Thanon Kamphaeng Phet 7 next to the RR tracks and west of Asoke was a good place to find FLs. I would not describe them as street walkers. Most of the johns visiting the location were Thai. The best time to go was late. There were many attractive girls there. Supposedly some of them also worked in the soapies. Few Farangs went there but those who did were not unwelcome.[/QUOTE]Acually it was East of Asoke, I think (unless they frequented both places - unlikely), just west of Phet Uthai road behind the Siam Hotel not far from La Belle Soapy. Have seen the girls many times when passing in a Taxi. Not sure of current prevalence.
[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1635806]Was the place called Thanon Phet Uthai? May be this can help - [URL]http://www.bangkokredeye.com/thai-freelancers.html[/URL].[/QUOTE]Yes I think this was the place. Thanks a lot AO! I will check it out.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1635870]In Chinatown, streetwalkers are on streets and alleyways around Wong Wian 22 (yee-sip song), then down on to Charoen Krung and Soi Texas (one with the seafood). Look in smaller streets as well. If you go by MRT get out at Hualamphong and walk over the canal. Google map: [URL]http://goo.gl/R7wDP0[/URL]. SNIP [/QUOTE]Thanks a lot Crocodilexp!
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1635911]At one time Thanon Kamphaeng Phet 7 next to the RR tracks and west of Asoke was a good place to find FLs. I would not describe them as street walkers. Most of the johns visiting the location were Thai. The best time to go was late. There were many attractive girls there. Supposedly some of them also worked in the soapies. Few Farangs went there but those who did were not unwelcome.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1636080]Acually it was East of Asoke, I think (unless they frequented both places - unlikely), just west of Phet Uthai road behind the Siam Hotel not far from La Belle Soapy. Have seen the girls many times when passing in a Taxi. Not sure of current prevalence.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot guys. What times are you talking about? How many years ago?
By the way, was ActionOriented talking about the same place? (Thanon Phet Uthai vs Thanon Kamphaeng Phet 7)
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1636091]Thanks a lot guys. What times are you talking about? How many years ago?
By the way, was ActionOriented talking about the same place? (Thanon Phet Uthai vs Thanon Kamphaeng Phet 7)[/QUOTE]The vicinity of the intersection. Yes same place.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1636080]Acually it was East of Asoke, I think (unless they frequented both places - unlikely), just west of Phet Uthai road behind the Siam Hotel not far from La Belle Soapy. Have seen the girls many times when passing in a Taxi. Not sure of current prevalence.[/QUOTE]I may be turned around 180 degrees. It's been a while since I paid a visit. I got there by taxi. When I described the location, near Asoke next to the RR tracks, the drive immediately knew where I wanted to go.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1636091]Thanks a lot guys. What times are you talking about? How many years ago?
By the way, was ActionOriented talking about the same place? (Thanon Phet Uthai vs Thanon Kamphaeng Phet 7)[/QUOTE]I last went there about 3 years ago.
I'm going to be in SE Asia for about six weeks. For three of those weeks my live in here will be with me. She's a third of my age and loves to fuck. We had one threesome a few weeks ago and she went gaga over going down on another girl. She wants to pick up a girl in Asia and have a threesome. I told her it was impossible unless it was a P4P deal. She's OK with that.
I've taken candy to a candy store before. About four years ago, and the girl I took was bi. We had luck picking up a girl from one of the smaller places in Nana. Name escapes me. But it's on the top floor near the stairway on the right as you walk in. We went to a couple other cubs but it was very hard to find a girl that would do a threesome.
Any suggestions? Pictures from three weeks ago.
[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1636294]I'm going to be in SE Asia for about six weeks. For three of those weeks my live in here will be with me. She's a third of my age and loves to fuck. We had one threesome a few weeks ago and she went gaga over going down on another girl. She wants to pick up a girl in Asia and have a threesome. I told her it was impossible unless it was a P4P deal. She's OK with that.
I've taken candy to a candy store before. About four years ago, and the girl I took was bi. We had luck picking up a girl from one of the smaller places in Nana. Name escapes me. But it's on the top floor near the stairway on the right as you walk in. We went to a couple other cubs but it was very hard to find a girl that would do a threesome.
Any suggestions? Pictures from three weeks ago.[/QUOTE]The #2 photo is just beautiful.
[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1636294]I'm going to be in SE Asia for about six weeks. For three of those weeks my live in here will be with me. She's a third of my age and loves to fuck. We had one threesome a few weeks ago and she went gaga over going down on another girl. She wants to pick up a girl in Asia and have a threesome. I told her it was impossible unless it was a P4P deal. She's OK with that.[/QUOTE]Sounds like fun. So let me guess you are 60 and she is 20?
I made my first trip to Bangkok in July, had a great time and had booked a return trip in August for a week. I had even booked non refundable hotels but sadly had to cancel at the last minute.
I was in Asia again for work early this month and on the spur of the moment booked a two day trip to Bangkok. I got in touch with a couple of girls I had met on my last trip but one was away and the other one had her time of the month. So, the search had to start all over again!
I stayed at the Continent Hotel. Very close to the intersection of Asok and Sukhumvit and close to Soi Cowboy. They offered me an upgrade when I reached I a took it for a corner room on a higher floor. It was a great decision because the room was just lovely. Floor to ceiling windows with a stunning view of Bangkok. Highly recommend the hotel.
I reached the hotel at around 9 pm. I was quite tired, after a little rest, showered changed and headed out for dinner. I had dinner at the Thai place right next to the hotel. Wouldn't go back there.
At around 11 pm I headed to Mixx. Last time I had wanted to go there but did not. Although I am not so much into stunning looks and great service is what does it for me but tonight I wanted a beautiful chick with great attitude. Mixx has many non-Thais as well and I was not interested in them. Don't understand why would someone come to Thailand and then look for European girls. I guess to each his own!
As I walked into Mixx I went over to the smoking section to order my drink, have a smoke and see what was on offer. As I was ordering my drink, my eyes just locked with a beautiful Thai woman and who was standing at the other end of the bar having a smoke. I smiled, collected my drink and went upto her to say Hello,. After a few minutes I offered to buy her a drink and in the conversation I asked my usual questions to make sure she would do all I am interested in. She said yes to everything and I offered to take her LT. She said 5 k. I said 4 k but if the service is great then I would give her a good tip, she said deal! Slowly we started making out after a while and I slid my hands under her dress. She wasn't shaven and I expressed a mild disappointment. To which she said, that's no problem, I will shave when we get back. I thought to myself, that's a first, and was quite impressed with her attitude. I was also quite surprised and thrilled at how quickly I had found the girl tonight!
By around midnight we were back at the hotel. There was some making out in the taxi ride back and when at the hotel she wanted to shower alone as she had to shave. I didn't mind that at all. Once we were showered we were in bed my tongue deep in her mouth when she said can you please pay me first.
From the reports that I have read here and my earlier experiences this is big red flag. I told her I don't do that and will only pay her in the morning. I also assured her that she would be paid and there was nothing for her to worry. She agreed and we went back to the deed. But slowly she started pulling tricks out of her hat. As I was down on her (and I love DATY) she insisted on getting a condom and then soon asked if I was done. I tried to ignore it and kept going and soon after I had come she tells me she can't stay till the morning as she needs to go to work. I was totally pissed off by then and I told her to leave right then. I also said I would pay her 2 k and nothing more, which she reluctantly agreed. I pride myself in being able to judge the girls quickly and correctly, but with this one I really did not see this coming. I wonder what it was.
Anyways, it was about 2 am when she left and I was in no mood to sleep alone. So I headed to Climax. The club was closing as I walked in and did not even had to pay the entrance charge. There I found someone who made my night. Will report about her in the next report.
[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1635451]I arrived late last night from the UK. Been traveling for work a lot but finally made it back here. I met this lady at Insanity disco.
She is 32 and very sexy. She has a day job but I made her work extra hard last night.
Nothing has changed here I see. Still many pretty girls who will take care of you.[/QUOTE]Good to know MR Luvpuss is still around, one of my favorite posters. Did you shoot yer load inside her? And whatever happened to that Harrold555 character?
[QUOTE=Tptp76;1636510]I made my first trip to Bangkok in July, had a great time and had booked a return trip in August for a week. I had even booked non refundable hotels but sadly had to cancel at the last minute.
I was in Asia again for work early this month and on the spur of the moment booked a two day trip to Bangkok. I got in touch with a couple of girls I had met on my last trip but one was away and the other one had her time of the month. So, the search had to start all over again!
I stayed at the Continent Hotel. Very close to the intersection of Asok and Sukhumvit and close to Soi Cowboy. They offered me an upgrade when I reached I a took it for a corner room on a higher floor. It was a great decision because the room was just lovely. Floor to ceiling windows with a stunning view of Bangkok. Highly recommend the hotel.
I reached the hotel at around 9 pm. I was quite tired, after a little rest, showered changed and headed out for dinner. I had dinner at the Thai place right next to the hotel. Wouldn't go back there.
At around 11 pm I headed to Mixx. Last time I had wanted to go there but did not. Although I am not so much into stunning looks and great service is what does it for me but tonight I wanted a beautiful chick with great attitude. Mixx has many non-Thais as well and I was not interested in them. Don't understand why would someone come to Thailand and then look for European girls. I guess to each his own!
As I walked into Mixx I went over to the smoking section to order my drink, have a smoke and see what was on offer. As I was ordering my drink, my eyes just locked with a beautiful Thai woman and who was standing at the other end of the bar having a smoke. I smiled, collected my drink and went upto her to say Hello,. After a few minutes I offered to buy her a drink and in the conversation I asked my usual questions to make sure she would do all I am interested in. She said yes to everything and I offered to take her LT. She said 5 k. I said 4 k but if the service is great then I would give her a good tip, she said deal! Slowly we started making out after a while and I slid my hands under her dress. She wasn't shaven and I expressed a mild disappointment. To which she said, that's no problem, I will shave when we get back. I thought to myself, that's a first, and was quite impressed with her attitude. I was also quite surprised and thrilled at how quickly I had found the girl tonight!
By around midnight we were back at the hotel. There was some making out in the taxi ride back and when at the hotel she wanted to shower alone as she had to shave. I didn't mind that at all. Once we were showered we were in bed my tongue deep in her mouth when she said can you please pay me first.
From the reports that I have read here and my earlier experiences this is big red flag. I told her I don't do that and will only pay her in the morning. I also assured her that she would be paid and there was nothing for her to worry. She agreed and we went back to the deed. But slowly she started pulling tricks out of her hat. As I was down on her (and I love DATY) she insisted on getting a condom and then soon asked if I was done. I tried to ignore it and kept going and soon after I had come she tells me she can't stay till the morning as she needs to go to work. I was totally pissed off by then and I told her to leave right then. I also said I would pay her 2 k and nothing more, which she reluctantly agreed. I pride myself in being able to judge the girls quickly and correctly, but with this one I really did not see this coming. I wonder what it was.
Anyways, it was about 2 am when she left and I was in no mood to sleep alone. So I headed to Climax. The club was closing as I walked in and did not even had to pay the entrance charge. There I found someone who made my night. Will report about her in the next report.[/QUOTE]One reason I like going to ST rooms is when a gal pulls something like that, I can get up, get dressed, give her 100 baht for taxi and leave. 2 k is a lot of money for a poor performance. 4 k is a lot of money for any gal, unless she has full on superstar looks, can talk about anything, and has pure PSE performance, including A+ and rimming.
I agree Goatscrot that 2 k was probably too much for the ST and I did feel later on that I should have paid less. My thinking was that we did do the deed so at that stage just paying the taxi money would not have been fair. As regards 4 k LT, she was quite good looking, decent conversation and most girl like that are now asking for that kind of money. In my experience, one could get a FL for less at Climax (there I notice the standard price is around 3 k, for LT). But then their looks aren't that great in general. Streetwalkers are another option but I am not into them. Am I missing something?
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1636666]One reason I like going to ST rooms is when a gal pulls something like that, I can get up, get dressed, give her 100 baht for taxi and leave. 2 k is a lot of money for a poor performance. 4 k is a lot of money for any gal, unless she has full on superstar looks, can talk about anything, and has pure PSE performance, including A+ and rimming.[/QUOTE]
I reached Climax when it was closing, around 2 am. The band had stopped playing and I thought it would be really difficult to find a girl in such short time. I walked to the back of the club where they serve drinks scouting for talent but did not see any that I fancied even remotely.
I was walking back to the front considering the possibility of going back to the hotel when I saw this girl sitting at a table on the right hand side, by herself. I walked up to her and said Hello! She was 5 ft3, mid-twenties, dark hair up to her shoulders, slightly broad frame but not chubby, great see cup boobs and beautiful face. She said she was from Bangkok and her name was Noi. There wasn't much time to waste so I asked if she would come for LT and she said yes but could not stay beyond 9 am. She asked for 2500 and I said yes! From the few minutes I had been with her, she seemed no nonsense, the kind of non-diva girl who does not have many frills but gives great service.
Her English was reasonable and we made small talk on the way to the hotel. She wasn't too keen on making out in the taxi and I respected that. She told me she owns a salon with another partner and that the business is not that great. She was dressed very conservative. Apparently Thai men tend to stare if she is wearing short dresses!
Back at the hotel, we showered together. She had a flat tummy no stretch marks as she had not had a child. Her boobs were real and perfect. Not too small and not too big, and beautiful big black nipples that stand up when aroused. I started playing with them and slid my hand southwards. Her pussy was wet and felt hot. As I slid one finger in she responded positively and started moaning. I moved my attention from her nipples and started sliding my tongue towards her pussy. She rested one palm on the glass of the shower and lifted one leg up to give me access. I ate her for a few minutes and we were thoroughly enjoying when we decided it was better to move the action to the bed.
Back on the bed, she gave me a great head, sloppy and slow the way I like it. Slowly she was getting more and more talkative and would suddenly pause to ask me some random question all to do with sex! It was almost like talking dirty but in a conversational way. I ate her some more and at some point the condom came on, we changed many positions but the talking continued. I have never before stopped to hear an interesting story with my dick in a woman's pussy. Normally, I would find something like that annoying but that day it felt perfect. It had been 2 hours we had been making love. I normally don't last that long but this had been a start stop routine with all the conversations thrown in. At one point she was riding me on top, suddenly she went totally quiet and started grinding with great intensity. She came screaming at the top of her voice. I could not hold much longer too.
I was tired but satisfied! Needed another smoke and she agreed to come down with me. She got a beer from the mini bar, I got a coke and off we went. She had some more great stories to tell, about how the Koreans and Japanese can be very weird and how the French can make love for ever!
By the time we went to bed it was almost 6 am. When I woke up it was already noon and I wondered if she would be in a rush to leave. I slowly started kissing her shoulder and playing with her boobs and she started responding. She turned around gave a great good morning kiss and soon we were at it again. I did her in mish and doggy but wanted to finish in her mouth, to which she gladly obliged. Once I came she went to spit it out. Took a shower and got ready to leave. I checked with her if we could meet again that evening. She said she had some family thing but could the next day. I had an early morning flight the next day so I could not have met her. She gave me her number and I promised to call her the next time I was in town. I gave her money and 750 baht tip. She seemed to appreciate that. Gave me a great kiss which squeezing my cock and we said our byes! I was so happy to be back in Bangkok.
[QUOTE=Tptp76;1636510] ... As I walked into Mixx I went over to the smoking section to order my drink, have a smoke and see what was on offer. As I was ordering my drink, my eyes just locked with a beautiful Thai woman and who was standing at the other end of the bar having a smoke. I smiled, collected my drink and went upto her to say Hello,. After a few minutes I offered to buy her a drink and in the conversation I asked my usual questions to make sure she would do all I am interested in. She said yes to everything and I offered to take her LT. She said 5 k. I said 4 k but if the service is great then I would give her a good tip, she said deal! Slowly we started making out after a while and I slid my hands under her dress. She wasn't shaven and I expressed a mild disappointment. To which she said, that's no problem, I will shave when we get back. I thought to myself, that's a first, and was quite impressed with her attitude. I was also quite surprised and thrilled at how quickly I had found the girl tonight!
By around midnight we were back at the hotel. There was some making out in the taxi ride back and when at the hotel she wanted to shower alone as she had to shave. I didn't mind that at all. Once we were showered we were in bed my tongue deep in her mouth when she said can you please pay me first.
From the reports that I have read here and my earlier experiences this is big red flag.[/QUOTE]The first red flag was when she said 5 k. That is absurd. Do you realize if she had a regular job her salary would only be about 15 k per month (rhetorical question)? She said deal so fast because it was a great deal for HER.
If a guy feels that he wants a particular girl, he can offer her way less and take it from there. If she balks on that, excuse yourself and walk away to have a look around. As you begin to walk away a lot of them will change their tune. Others will wait a little while and then go looking for you. In any case, there are plenty more girls available so go say hello to some of them.
At clubs and FL bars, if we even talk price ahead of time, I will only offer 1000-1500 k (that goes for Bangkok and Pattaya). Why? Because that my price. Straight and simple. I don't care how much she wants or what others may have given her before. If she doesn't want my money another lady does.
[QUOTE=Tptp76;1636741].
I gave her money and 750 baht tip. She seemed to appreciate that. Gave me a great kiss which squeezing my cock and we said our byes! I was so happy to be back in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]The freelancers in the Bangkok clubs are known to bark out insane rates, but that doesn't mean one needs to go for it. I have paid that absurd price once before, and although the girl was great looking I decided never to pay that rate again. These girls know that some punter will come along soon enough and pay a 3 k ST /4 k LT rates, but it's also fun seeing a lot of these girls go back home alone when the club closes. The girl that wanted 5 k for LT was a bad pick, but it happens. Good you found a better girl at half the price later in the night.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1636666]One reason I like going to ST rooms is when a gal pulls something like that, I can get up, get dressed, give her 100 baht for taxi and leave. 2 k is a lot of money for a poor performance. 4 k is a lot of money for any gal, unless she has full on superstar looks, can talk about anything, and has pure PSE performance, including A+ and rimming.[/QUOTE]I think if you've begun recieving sexual services & then leave as you described, one day you may be hearing from the girl's friends, BF or "handlers" re what you owe her. OTOH if she has agreed to do only one specific thing, say BBBJ, but refuses in your room or tries to do something different, then I've felt free to immediately dismiss her from my hotel room without any payment. No need for taxi fare as her work location was within 5 minutes walk.
A girl shouldn't agree to something if she doesn't understand English well enough to know what she's agreeing to or has no intention of doing it. I've never had a problem dismissing such a girl, all ladies of the street, from my hotel room & can count on about 2 fingers the number of times I've done it in hundreds of sessions.
If I haven't negotiated services, but only price at 1000 baht, then once sexual services have begun even if things don't go to my liking & I dismiss the TG, I feel obligated to take the high road & pay what was agreed upon. That's not much to risk re the very rare event of service being so lame that I want her to leave. Thai sex workers would want to avoid the loss of face with her coworkers that may involve. They also want to get paid & feel religiously obligated to make the man happy or cum. But it's easy to just throw a rare lame one back into the pond & take another. Those who perform to my satisfaction, which is the vast majority of cases, I generally tip well above that basic street girl standard price.
Re your sentence on one with "superstar looks", I get plenty of those off the street for a fraction of your 4 k, though I have little interest or ability to converse with them & engage in risky constricted visits to the Greek Islands, either mine or theirs.
Tptp76's experience is surely a welcome input for me as I am also going to be scouting in FL bars for ST / LT. Will definitely keep the prices suggested by members in mind while engaging with women.
Baccara is full of avg to way below avg. Looking girls. Of the big 4 it comes in at number 4. WOW!
Will be curious to find out your experience at the FL bars / clubs as I don't find a lot of that mentioned in the forum. Its mainly the Go Gos and the MPs. I really enjoy the whole selection process and prefer to make my choice from these clubs.
Looking forward to your FRs.
[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1637102]Tptp76's experience is surely a welcome input for me as I am also going to be scouting in FL bars for ST / LT. Will definitely keep the prices suggested by members in mind while engaging with women.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1637082]Re your sentence on one with "superstar looks", I get plenty of those off the street for a fraction of your 4 k, though I have little interest or ability to converse with them & engage in risky constricted visits to the Greek Islands, either mine or theirs.[/QUOTE]A girl with superstar looks would be a fool to work the street.
1. Customers are cheep.
2. Its a lot more dangerous.
Sorry, these are no spectacular new insights, rather than a compilaton of what I experienced during my main stream" stay. So this is not going to be a sophisticated field report, I just want to give back to the forum the little that I can.
Arrived in the afternoon and took a taxi using the public taxi booth at level 1, yet the driver did not know my hotel and could not locate it on his GPS map, luckily I had the phone number of the place.
I stayed Two Tree Mansion for 5 nights and was quite pleased, centrally located close to Asoke BTS on a side soi of soi 23, very quiet place, not plush, but spacy, clean room for 1500 Bht / night. Disadvantages: you pay for WIFI, good signal but broke down more than once, only a few TV channels (for whom it matters I appreciated the girls not looking TV); guest IDs are not checked.
The girls.
Most time I did soi Cowboy, nude dancing at several places I. E. Dollhouse, Crazy house, Suzie Wong and Long Gun, one of the last two had a good show as well. Generally the prettier girls were biased towards asian customers lots of them featuring the asian barbie style" what is not my cup of tea anyway I prefer slim, but don't mind darker skin and a little bit mature woman as long as they show some interest at stage and are well manored (ie. NOT agressive Tequila hunters). I usually detest ladies coming uninvited to your seat that think your supposed to buy them a LD just because they could not entice a customer during there shift aaaand you are rich falang. SW had not that pretty girls but pushy staff.
Barfine was 6-700 Bht with exception being Dollhouse that had an early BF (before 2300) of 1500 Bht.
At a massage place the lady tried to convince me of extras while giving me the traditional massage and told me BF would be 1000 Bht. I don't know if this is common but found it ridiculous especially because of massage business being slow obviously, told her I can get a sexy Gogo Dancer for less this being Thailand not sure if she got the message. BTW the massage was mediocre and I doubt she learned a program lasting more than 30 minutes.
Most of the ladies that passed the interview confessed to do ST only. This tendency is already discussed extensivly on this thread, imo they were not looking for another ST afterwards (usually barfined after 2300) but just had made enough money and prefered to sleep at home because of BF, baby, second job; you name it. Always payed ST 2 hours 2000 Bht the exception being Crazy House where it was 2500, unnegociable 500 going to the mamasan.
In the hotel usually the ladies were willing to please and doing BBBJ. So over all a good experience but missing the morning romp.
Soi 7 Beergareden went there several days in the afternoon when I had some time to spend. Weekdays slow business, regular to plain looking ladies only, Thursday 2 better looking girls with good english skills, sorry no test drive for being too early 1600. Friday 1800 really busy, both ladies and customers and again some better looking girls but already talking to customers, did not stay long. Saturday 1800 less busy one goodlooking girl together with 2 friends obviously looking for a couple of young guys taking them out for party not the one in the bedroom.
Thank you for reading, next stop Samui.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1637082]I think if you've begun recieving sexual services & then leave as you described, one day you may be hearing from the girl's friends, BF or "handlers" re what you owe her. OTOH if she has agreed to do only one specific thing, say BBBJ, but refuses in your room or tries to do something different, then I've felt free to immediately dismiss her from my hotel room without any payment. No need for taxi fare as her work location was within 5 minutes walk.
A girl shouldn't agree to something if she doesn't understand English well enough to know what she's agreeing to or has no intention of doing it. I've never had a problem dismissing such a girl, all ladies of the street, from my hotel room & can count on about 2 fingers the number of times I've done it in hundreds of sessions.
If I haven't negotiated services, but only price at 1000 baht, then once sexual services have begun even if things don't go to my liking & I dismiss the TG, I feel obligated to take the high road & pay what was agreed upon. That's not much to risk re the very rare event of service being so lame that I want her to leave. Thai sex workers would want to avoid the loss of face with her coworkers that may involve. They also want to get paid & feel religiously obligated to make the man happy or cum. But it's easy to just throw a rare lame one back into the pond & take another. Those who perform to my satisfaction, which is the vast majority of cases, I generally tip well above that basic street girl standard price.
Re your sentence on one with "superstar looks", I get plenty of those off the street for a fraction of your 4 k, though I have little interest or ability to converse with them & engage in risky constricted visits to the Greek Islands, either mine or theirs.[/QUOTE]Pink, I have lived here for 15 years and I have never had a problem when ending a session. Why? Because I am always very polite about it. In English or Thai depending on the case, I tell the girl that I don't want her to do anything that she does not want to do or is uncomfortable with. With FLs I always ask about services I want up front. I am demanding. I expect a PSE performance. A+ is the only thing that I don't insist on. Rimming, BBBJ, DFF, DATY, fingering, etc. All a must. I tell them, again in Thai or in English, I want them to act like they are in a "sex movie" or with their boyfriend. Many gals promise the world and then decide they don't want to deliver. Hey, no harm no foul. Up to her. I don't get mad. I get dressed and leave. I would never have a P4 P gal to my place. Now that is asking for potential trouble.
And if services are not delivered or it is lackluster and I call it off then I don't feel obligated to pay what was agreed upon. On all but one occasion the gal has left without a fuss. Later I even talked and joked with that one out on the street. Again, it is all about attitude. Smile and be nice. I imagine there are lots of dudes who get angry and aggressive when they don't get what they want.
BTW, If a repair man did not fix my washing machine I would not pay him either. And sorry, I do consider 1 k real money. That is over three times the required daily wage in Thailand. And no I don't tip. Never have. Not to FLs, GoGo gals, nor massage parlor gals.
And again, I have never paid 4 k. I have never paid over 1. 5 k for a FL. Why? Guess I have never met one that meets the criteria of looks and performance.
[QUOTE=Smily59;1637449]. Disadvantages: you pay for WIFI, good signal but broke down more than once, only a few TV channels
.[/QUOTE]Reminds me that I used the Au Bon Pain coffee shop in BKK recently. Breezed up to counter and got my latte and asked for the wifi password. " no sir, you have to pay for wifi ".
Interesting business model, to pay for what every one else gives for free. Actively avoided the place thereafter both in BKK and Pattaya.
And wifi in Bangkok airport. Equally messed up. Theres a form whereby you have to supply lots of pertinent information and only when its complete can you maybe get wifi. Makes Manila airports look reasonably advanced in that regard. LOL. OK wifi rant over.
[QUOTE=Smily59;1637449]Most of the ladies that passed the interview confessed to do ST only. This tendency is already discussed extensivly on this thread, imo they were not looking for another ST afterwards (usually barfined after 2300) but just had made enough money and prefered to sleep at home because of BF, baby, second job; you name it. Always payed ST 2 hours 2000 Bht the exception being Crazy House where it was 2500, unnegociable 500 going to the mamasan..[/QUOTE]So you pay CH girl 2500 and she kicks back 500 to momma?
I guess because CH hires prostitutes who are un-employable elsewhere she can get away with it.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1637451]Pink, I have lived here for 15 years and I have never had a problem when ending a session. Why? Because I am always very polite about it. In English or Thai depending on the case, I tell the girl that I don't want her to do anything that she does not want to do or is uncomfortable with. With FLs I always ask about services I want up front. I am demanding. I expect a PSE performance. A+ is the only thing that I don't insist on. Rimming, BBBJ, DFF, DATY, fingering, etc. All a must. I tell them, again in Thai or in English, I want them to act like they are in a "sex movie" or with their boyfriend. Many gals promise the world and then decide they don't want to deliver. Hey, no harm no foul. Up to her. I don't get mad. I get dressed and leave. I would never have a P4 P gal to my place. Now that is asking for potential trouble.
And if services are not delivered or it is lackluster and I call it off then I don't feel obligated to pay what was agreed upon. On all but one occasion the gal has left without a fuss. Later I even talked and joked with that one out on the street. Again, it is all about attitude. Smile and be nice. I imagine there are lots of dudes who get angry and aggressive when they don't get what they want.
BTW, If a repair man did not fix my washing machine I would not pay him either. And sorry, I do consider 1 k real money. That is over three times the required daily wage in Thailand. And no I don't tip. Never have. Not to FLs, GoGo gals, nor massage parlor gals.
And again, I have never paid 4 k. I have never paid over 1. 5 k for a FL. Why? Guess I have never met one that meets the criteria of looks and performance.[/QUOTE]I agree 100% with your view.
Sadly I am shy enough not to be able to even politely stop a session. Next time should go together!
[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;1636948]At clubs and FL bars, if we even talk price ahead of time, I will only offer 1000-1500 k (that goes for Bangkok and Pattaya). Why? Because that my price. Straight and simple. I don't care how much she wants or what others may have given her before. If she doesn't want my money another lady does.[/QUOTE]Solid advice. In addition, it's a good idea to name your price, instead of asking her for the price. That way, you show you know the deal, and she doesn't feel that she lost out if she has to go down sharply from her initial stratospheric offer. If it's "take it or leave it", you won't appear to be pleading (as you would if she made the first offer), and if you end up bargaining, you just set a low base, so any increase is a win for her (it's called anchoring).
[QUOTE=Tptp76;1637395]Will be curious to find out your experience at the FL bars / clubs as I don't find a lot of that mentioned in the forum. Its mainly the Go Gos and the MPs. I really enjoy the whole selection process and prefer to make my choice from these clubs.
Looking forward to your FRs.[/QUOTE]Sure mate. Will post my experience once back, don't carry tablet / laptop with me hence becomes difficult to post anything from phone. Only use it to refer to any recent posts on the relevant threads where I am travelling. But the way weathers forecasted for the weekend hope it dosent end up wetting my body and drying up my trip. Had my fill of monsoon for this year already. No more rains plsssss.
Any additional inputs welcome from seniors especially for rainy days in BKK. Reading up on posts from last year same time might not be relevant with the speed at which the city seems to be changing.
TIA
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1637696]Solid advice. In addition, it's a good idea to name your price, instead of asking her for the price. That way, you show you know the deal, and she doesn't feel that she lost out if she has to go down sharply from her initial stratospheric offer. If it's "take it or leave it", you won't appear to be pleading (as you would if she made the first offer), and if you end up bargaining, you just set a low base, so any increase is a win for her (it's called anchoring).[/QUOTE]Amen. I agree 100%. Tell her what you will pay. If she doesn't want it, walk.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1637451]BTW, If a repair man did not fix my washing machine I would not pay him either. And sorry, I do consider 1 k real money. That is over three times the required daily wage in Thailand. And no I don't tip. Never have. Not to FLs, GoGo gals, nor massage parlor gals.
And again, I have never paid 4 k. I have never paid over 1. 5 k for a FL. Why? Guess I have never met one that meets the criteria of looks and performance.[/QUOTE]You'd be owing the repair man if he was working by the hour & you kicked him out after a few.
I wonder if Bill Gates is crying about a lost 1000 baht or 30 USD. I expect at the end of his life 30 dollars less won't be the straw that broke the camel's back or put him out of business.
The minimum wage is 300 baht a day or 10 USD. So about a dollar an hour. That's fair? Or a ridiculous joke?
In a high risk profession like sex trade work one is worthy of a far higher wage than the typical job. That is often the norm around the world. They make as much as lawyers, doctors & the like. And justly so.
You don't tip & have only a 50 percent success rate in sessions with freelancers. I typically tip hugely, am known by the freelance ladies of the street to do so & have over a 95 percent satisfaction clip with sessions. I think I'll stick to my way of doing things.
You've never paid a FL over 1500? That narrows your options considerably, as the more stunning ladies can easily make more than that or the same amount without being required to do all the services you demand. Thermae coffee shop, for an example.
No wonder you've practically given up on freelancers. Since they're about the cheapest around, how much do you pay where you go? Hot gogo girls will generally set you back at least 2000 plus a 600 bar fine & not want to work hard for it. For that much dough you'd get much more bang for your buck, services and enthusiasm out of a street girl.
[QUOTE=Steve7777;1637611]So you pay CH girl 2500 and she kicks back 500 to momma?
I guess because CH hires prostitutes who are un-employable elsewhere she can get away with it.[/QUOTE]Well, this is what she told me andsemms likely because the mamasan cashed the money in the bar. I usually pay when the girl leaves. What makes you believe they are un-employable elsewhere? They had some stunners.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1637850]You'd be owing the repair man if he was working by the hour & you kicked him out after a few.
I wonder if Bill Gates is crying about a lost 1000 baht or 30 USD. I expect at the end of his life 30 dollars less won't be the straw that broke the camel's back or put him out of business.
The minimum wage is 300 baht a day or 10 USD. So about a dollar an hour. That's fair? Or a ridiculous joke?
In a high risk profession like sex trade work one is worthy of a far higher wage than the typical job. That is often the norm around the world. They make as much as lawyers, doctors & the like. And justly so.
You don't tip & have only a 50 percent success rate in sessions with freelancers. I typically tip hugely, am known by the freelance ladies of the street to do so & have over a 95 percent satisfaction clip with sessions. I think I'll stick to my way of doing things.
You've never paid a FL over 1500? That narrows your options considerably, as the more stunning ladies can easily make more than that or the same amount without being required to do all the services you demand. Thermae coffee shop, for an example.
No wonder you've practically given up on freelancers. Since they're about the cheapest around, how much do you pay where you go? Hot gogo girls will generally set you back at least 2000 plus a 600 bar fine & not want to work hard for it. For that much dough you'd get much more bang for your buck, services and enthusiasm out of a street girl.[/QUOTE]Pink, Up until a few years ago my success rate with FLs was almost 100%. From 99 till about 07 about 75% of the gals I took were FLs, mainly from Thermae. Always paid 1 k baht. Never tipped and it was never an issue. Sadly dudes started paying much more and the market was quickly spoiled. And the higher the price has gotten the lower the service has become and the worse the attitudes have become. Why? In Thailand as self-worth is based on the baht. As is in many ways "face." You are taking girls fresh off the farm with very little status and piopping huge cash in their hands. Kind of like when Uncle Boochie and Cousin Weenie from West Virginia win the lottery. These are for the most part girls with a 6th grade "edumacation." The mentality is pure West Virginia "holler" but the gals have all their teeth.
How much do I pay where I go? Well, that would be the oilies. Gal gets 1500 baht. House gets 400,600, or 800 depending on the length of the session. 1900 baht for an hour and that include the room. With a FL I have to pay 350 for the ST room. So for 50 baht more I can pop as many times as I want in that hour and all services are included. And there is no guessing and no drama.
And no, its not a joke; up until two years ago the min wage was 180 baht per day.
Pink, the repair man would complete the job, or he would not get paid and would be in trouble with his company. P4P sex is a service like any other.
Of course we are not talking about Bill Gates. We are talking about the average monger who comes to Thailand because the tang and living are good and not so expensive.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1637451]Pink, I have lived here for 15 years and I have never had a problem when ending a session. Why? Because I am always very polite about it. In English or Thai depending on the case, I tell the girl that I don't want her to do anything that she does not want to do or is uncomfortable with. With FLs I always ask about services I want up front.
And if services are not delivered or it is lackluster and I call it off then I don't feel obligated to pay what was agreed upon. On all but one occasion the gal has left without a fuss. Later I even talked and joked with that one out on the street. Again, it is all about attitude. Smile and be nice. I imagine there are lots of dudes who get angry and aggressive when they don't get what they want.
BTW, If a repair man did not fix my washing machine I would not pay him either. And sorry, I do consider 1 k real money. That is over three times the required daily wage in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Well put Goat. I agree. You have to be clear and ask for what you want up front. This is a good way to eliminate most issues that 'might' come up later.
In the case of services being lackluster, if I called it off I will still give her something. I imagine you would do the same. I suspect you mean that you don't feel obligated to pay the FULL amount (but a reasonable amount is in order). Ie she only gives a 1 minute BJ but agreed to give a nice long BJ. That has to be corrected ASAP then keep it going. Or, here is a better one, she agreed on 2 hours but wants to leave after 1 hour (that's just and example. I have never heard of that from any guys here). However, if something like that did happened, she is changing what she agreed on so a change in price would be in order. BTW, if a girl did try to pull something like that, she knows full well she is trying to get over on the guy. Like you said be clear up front and if it goes south, be nice about it.
I have heard a lot of stories in person from all over the world. To identify a few. The girls doesn't want to do a BJ (but agreed to it earlier), she wants the money up front, agrees to all night then has to leave at 7 am for any number of reasons. Sometimes these things happen, especially when dealing with hard core girls. It's a learning curve. Experienced guys learn and make adjustments.
[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;1638005]Well put Goat. I agree. You have to be clear and ask for what you want up front. This is a good way to eliminate most issues that 'might' come up later.
In the case of services being lackluster, if I called it off I will still give her something. I imagine you would do the same. I suspect you mean that you don't feel obligated to pay the FULL amount (but a reasonable amount is in order). Ie she only gives a 1 minute BJ but agreed to give a nice long BJ. That has to be corrected ASAP then keep it going. Or, here is a better one, she agreed on 2 hours but wants to leave after 1 hour (that's just and example. I have never heard of that from any guys here). However, if something like that did happened, she is changing what she agreed on so a change in price would be in order. BTW, if a girl did try to pull something like that, she knows full well she is trying to get over on the guy. Like you said be clear up front and if it goes south, be nice about it.
I have heard a lot of stories in person from all over the world. To identify a few. The girls doesn't want to do a BJ (but agreed to it earlier), she wants the money up front, agrees to all night then has to leave at 7 am for any number of reasons. Sometimes these things happen, especially when dealing with hard core girls. It's a learning curve. Experienced guys learn and make adjustments.[/QUOTE]Yes I give her something and that depends on how far the session has gone. Normally within a minute or two I can gauge the way things are headed. If she is not responsive to kissing and touching then things will probably not go well. What amazes me the most is gals who agree to things, don't deliver, and are then shocked that the customer is not thrilled. This tells me that there are a lot of guys out there who take whatever the gal gives whether it was what was agreed upon or not.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1637871]Pink, Up until a few years ago my success rate with FLs was almost 100%. From 99 till about 07 about 75% of the gals I took were FLs, mainly from Thermae. Always paid 1 k baht. Never tipped and it was never an issue. Sadly dudes started paying much more and the market was quickly spoiled. And the higher the price has gotten the lower the service has become and the worse the attitudes have become. Why? In Thailand as self-worth is based on the baht. As is in many ways "face." You are taking girls fresh off the farm with very little status and piopping huge cash in their hands. Kind of like when Uncle Boochie and Cousin Weenie from West Virginia win the lottery. These are for the most part girls with a 6th grade "edumacation." The mentality is pure West Virginia "holler" but the gals have all their teeth. [/QUOTE]Once again, thanks for your version of history since the HIV heyday in LOS.
Has the market been spoiled? If it has very few seem to care, maybe a handful of hundreds of members here. Sex tourists continue to flock to Siam in ever increasing numbers to enjoy far more bang for their buck than they can get from the stuck up over priced menu restricted feminists back in the Western world. Japanese & Koreans can come to the Kingdom & pay a small fraction of what they would back home.
Spoiled market? For who? Actually Thailand remains the number one sex tourism destination on the planet. And I don't see that changing in the near future or our lifetimes. In fact since 2007 & a decade or two before that tourist numbers to the country for our hobby have continually increased at an incredible rate.
Edmucation? Hookers the world over are not exactly renowned for their PHD status, so LOS is no anomaly in that regard. What they do share with their sisters elsewhere, though, is a high risk profession re STIs, other diseases, violence & abuse, as well as the surrender of their holy of holies. That explains why they deserve the high pay grade of educated doctors & lawyers who are in relatively long lasting & safe comfy careers.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1638324] Sex tourists continue to flock to Siam in ever increasing numbers to enjoy far more bang for their buck than they can get from the stuck up over priced menu restricted feminists back in the Western world. Japanese & Koreans can come to the Kingdom & pay a small fraction of what they would back home.
[/QUOTE]Please cite your sources. Or are we to simply take your word for it?
Tourist arrivals are up, year over year, at least up through 2013. The numbers for 2014 aren't in yet. However, many other sources claim that, although gross tourist numbers are up, business in the bars is down. It's very hard to obtain and retain staff. Fewer girls = fewer customers. But you seem to have some inside knowledge, so please be kind enough to share. Where are these hordes of sex tourists going, whose services are they using?
Oh, and $100+ short times is hardly "more bang for your buck" compared to many places.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1638324]Once again, thanks for your version of history since the HIV heyday in LOS.
Has the market been spoiled? If it has very few seem to care, maybe a handful of hundreds of members here. Sex tourists continue to flock to Siam in ever increasing numbers to enjoy far more bang for their buck than they can get from the stuck up over priced menu restricted feminists back in the Western world. Japanese & Koreans can come to the Kingdom & pay a small fraction of what they would back home.
Spoiled market? For who? Actually Thailand remains the number one sex tourism destination on the planet. And I don't see that changing in the near future or our lifetimes. In fact since 2007 & a decade or two before that tourist numbers to the country for our hobby have continually increased at an incredible rate.
Edmucation? Hookers the world over are not exactly renowned for their PHD status, so LOS is no anomaly in that regard. What they do share with their sisters elsewhere, though, is a high risk profession re STIs, other diseases, violence & abuse, as well as the surrender of their holy of holies. That explains why they deserve the high pay grade of educated doctors & lawyers who are in relatively long lasting & safe comfy careers.[/QUOTE]There are far fewer Western sex tourists coming to Thailand now. More Asians and sub-continentals, but fewer Westerners. The bars are empty compared to 10 years ago and there are fewer and fewer gals in the trade each year. Any long term resident will tell you that. The FL scene is sad compared to 10 years ago when you could not walk 10 meters down lower Suk without being propositioned by a cute gal. Now it is mainly uglies and folks from a rather undesirable demographic. Few seem to care? Everyone I know is very bummed about the scene's decline. I don't know a resident that is positive about it. Hell, most of the frequent visitors I know have stopped coming and are going elsewhere.
HIV heyday? That was well over by the late 90s thank you. I would say the gals were far more insistent on condoms then than they are now.
The bang for the buck is much less than it was. It costs more buck for less bang. Anyone that thinks different is kidding themselves or was not here 15 years ago.
If Thailand was in 99 the way it is now, I would not have moved here. But hey, this is my home, has been for 15 years, and probably will be for quite a time to come. I still love the food, my friends, etc, and it is nice to have an oily every now and then.
To a two week millionaire I am sure it looks "great." Live here awhile and that will change.
Just like any other profession they should be paid according to their skill set and abilities. Prostitution is a service like any other. I mean really do you tip your Dr, dentist, or lawyer for good service? No it is expected. Same same with working girls. If a dude walked into your favorite restaurant back home, enjoyed the meal, and then insisted on paying double for it, what would you think of him? Yes, exactly. It is no different here with P4P gals. They think the same thing. Treat them well, be respectful, but demand good service and pay a fair rate for said service. In turn they will respect you, give you good service, and never try to pull the wool over you eyes.
Cost in the US or any other's home country? Completely irrelevant.
I remember my first trip to Cambo in 99. Met a friend who lived there. First thing he said to me was, "This is what you pay the girls. Because if you pay more you screw it up for those that come after you. " He was spot on. Sadly, most dudes don't really care about those that come after and think that paying more will get them more. It doesn't. Never has and never will. And herein lies one of the reasons the scene is in steep decline.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1638493]Please cite your sources. Or are we to simply take your word for it?
Tourist arrivals are up, year over year, at least up through 2013. The numbers for 2014 aren't in yet. However, many other sources claim that, although gross tourist numbers are up, business in the bars is down. It's very hard to obtain and retain staff. Fewer girls = fewer customers. But you seem to have some inside knowledge, so please be kind enough to share. Where are these hordes of sex tourists going, whose services are they using?
Oh, and $100+ short times is hardly "more bang for your buck" compared to many places.[/QUOTE]Yep, and arrivals might be down as much as 20% this year. The bars are really hurting. The freelance scene has been pretty dismal since '11 and in decline since the coup of '06.
I get into BKK around 11 am. The lines at immigration was very small. I only had to wait behind 10 people compared to anytime I have been here before when the line was at least 100 people which was odd to me. The small line did not matter. It was slow as hell to get through. I get a taxi headed to my hotel. Zero traffic around 12 noon. The taxi driver is texting while he is driving which is freaking me out. He speaks zero English. I get to my hotel. Before I check in I test the WiFi and is great. Always test WiFi before you pay for the room. It can very in each room of the same hotel.
I start looking around Nana plaza. There are girls in the bars but the bars seemed to be very slow. I hate at restaurant and there was only one other guy in the whole restaurant. I spend time a lot of time walking looking for the perfect girl. I saw very little freelancers. I had to start checking out the massage parlors which in Bangkok is expensive. By the way before 5 pm MP's and bars are not crowded. So I go to darling or cupids. Something like that. About a 10 minute walk from Nana plaza. 3 girls working. One was like 24 years old had a really pretty face and body looked like I like but I could not tell because of those huge dresses they wear. The manager said cost was $2500 baut which is like $77 USD. This is expensive for thailand. I was tired of looking so I stayed. She got undressed and her body was ok. I tested her and pretended like I was going to enter her bareback and she was fine with that. But I stopped and would never do that. Service was a little rushed and she spoke zero English which helped so she did not ***** because I wanted to take my time. He pussy was very beautiful looking but was very large. I left thinking why did I waste this money. This was a 5 star place. I was told come after 5 pm for a bigger selection. I was the only customer I saw.
I walk more find another massage place but not 5 star. More like 3 star. 300 for the house and the girl wanted 1000 baut for massage and FS. I talked her down to 700 baut plus 300 house. She agreed. This lady was 39 years old. She looked to have a F cup breasts. I just had to get some Russian even though she looked thicker. We go to the room and she undresses. Her breasts were incredible. She was not fat at all. She had one of the smallest vaginas I have ever seen. She was extremely tight and her service was awesome. I took off the condom and told her I wanted her to give me a hand job and jerk me into her mouth. She started too but as soon and I started to cum she pointed my dick to her tits. Ok what ever. When we first started I tested her and pretended like I was going to fuck her with out a condom. She just closed her eyes and was fine with that. I did not. Just love to test these girls. LOL. Great session and cheap. Not rushed!
3rd girl. All girls I will be talking about will be from small massage shops. The cost varies from $1700 baut to $2000 baut. Actually, I am not going to go blow by blow anymore. My first day I hit it really hard. I went through 6 girls in 9 hours. I spend probably about $350 USD today total with everything which is ridiculous. But it I Bangkok and I knew I was leaving the next day for Pattaya which is a lot cheaper.
9 pm I was exhausted. I went to my hotel and literally passed out in a coma. I woke up at 11 pm. I wanted to go back to sleep but I forced myself to go walk around one more time to check out how BKK is in the peak hours. Nana plaza I went and just checked out one nightclub. It was packed. The girls were not dancing nude just in bathing suits. I saw in front of Nana hotel the independents. Nothing worth getting excited about. I walked the main drag where I know the independents stand. I could not believe it. The was very little independents! The ones I saw were not good looking. I walked up to Grace Hotel. I went inside to check out the white chicks that main clients are the Muslim guys. There were about 40 of them. All smoking and just siting like slugs. They don't even try to get customers. Most were over weight. Nothing to see here.
I was at this point really to drop from jet lag and fucking. But I forced myself to check out one more place which was Raja Hotel. This is where the hot white Russian woman are. The manager immediately recognized me and puts his arm around me saying your back. Let me show you the girls. I think her is gay but what ever. There was about 22 white Russians. All from ages 20 -25. Cost was raised this year. The hottest girls where $3100 baut including room. The older ones 24-25 were $2600 baut including room. I did see some girls I liked but I could hardly stay awake and walk. So I told him I would be back latter. These Russian girls 98% of the time are rushed service. Hate their job. No GFE. But if you want to band a hot white chick that will rush you the whole time there is many to choose from.
I am leaving Bangkok today headed to Pattaya. In Bangkok out of the 6 girls I was with. Only two required a condom. Though I used a condom. I only seen two African girls this time. When last year I saw about 40. This time There was these steps and it was all these African guys. Spread out. Yes, there are working but I have yet to figure out what there are doing? Are they male prostitutes are they selling drugs? They are doing something. I few of them tried to talk to me last year but I kept walking.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1637871]Of course we are not talking about Bill Gates. We are talking about the average monger who comes to Thailand because the tang and living are good and not so expensive.[/QUOTE]The poontang is "not so expensive" in Thailand. Yeah, it's dirt cheap. Like 200 to 300 USD an hour in North America compared to 30 USD for a freelancer in Thailand. So a difference of 7 to 10 times, more or less.
So after a few sessions in the Kingdom a guy has already saved enough relative to what he would have paid at Western rates to have covered the cost of his airfare. Beyond that it's all gravy, cha ching, like getting freebies relative to the Western prices. Yeah, coming to Thailand is so cheap it's like getting free sex!
Moreover the petite sweet girls here aren't infected with the feminist disease. Also bareback sex & BJs are way easier to obtain. And unlike much of the Western world it's legal, rampant & so easily accessible. With all that factored in the value of Thailand over the West just went up a number of times more!
To any "average monger" who realizes these very simple basic fundamentals, the rare loss of a measley 1000 baht because of a poor session should mean less than nothing. The same lame session would be more common where he comes from & cost a hell of a lot more.
But don't let me stop your continual hype about how lousy Siam is now. Just don't expect it's going to have any influence on the P4P scene & its future in the country, or send you in a time machine back to the 1990's.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1637082]
Re your sentence on one with "superstar looks", I get plenty of those off the street for a fraction of your 4 k, [/QUOTE]To those who might actually believe this and come to Bangkok looking for "superstars" on the streets, please don't waste your time or money. There are no superstars on the streets any more, not even any stars, not even above average. At least in terms of looks. Freelancers on the streets are basically the bottom of the barrel. Street Freelancers is a dying art form.
I saw this girl do a 20 barfine last night. One of the more popular Rainbow bars.
2 minutes walking to and from hotel.
1 minute check into hotel.
2 minute chit chat as you get naked.
8 minutes for showering before and after sex.
1 minute to pay and wrap things up.
That leaves 6 minute on the bed. LOL.
[QUOTE=DRRonin;1638726]To those who might actually believe this and come to Bangkok looking for "superstars" on the streets, please don't waste your time or money. There are no superstars on the streets any more, not even any stars, not even above average. At least in terms of looks. Freelancers on the streets are basically the bottom of the barrel. Street Freelancers is a dying art form.[/QUOTE]I concur with DRR. This man who finds all these things on the street is just full of nonsense!
[QUOTE=DRRonin;1638726]To those who might actually believe this and come to Bangkok looking for "superstars" on the streets, please don't waste your time or money. There are no superstars on the streets any more, not even any stars, not even above average. At least in terms of looks. Freelancers on the streets are basically the bottom of the barrel. Street Freelancers is a dying art form.[/QUOTE]What's a superstar to you? You could define it in many words. Or use a picture which is said to be worth 1000.
How about this:
[URL]https://ca.shine.yahoo.com/how-young-is-too-young-for-plastic-surgery-202700445.html[/URL]
Or is it that you have a thing for girls that look like Britney Spears:
[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstar[/URL]
No thanks, she's not my cup of tea.
Walking around the NEP area the other day during the lunch hour crowds I saw many hot ladies like I would at MBK & Siam. I thought to myself, wow, I've been banging girls exactly like these by the Nana Parking Lot! It's true.
OTOH from recent pics from gogos in this thread, almost without exception I wouldn't be doing them for free, let alone 2000 + 600 baht plus.
Some people just need to get out more. Especially on a Friday night, low season, or when it's time to pay loom.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1638324]Actually Thailand remains the number one sex tourism destination on the planet. [/QUOTE]Might be true, but unfortunately, all that would mean is that other destinations have been going downhill at an even faster rate.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1638324]And I don't see that changing in the near future or our lifetimes. [/QUOTE]Unless you're over 75, you can safely bet on Thailand changing rapidly within your lifetime. Hong Kong and South Korea were once viable and thriving sex destinations (before the internet and cheap air travel so this was not widely publicized and there were no hordes of working class foreigners visiting).
When I moved to Thailand, I also thought the sex scene would not change dramatically for at least a 2-3 decades, but it shifted dramatically in under 10 years. It's difficult to see it coming, and even difficult to figure out it's happening if you live here or visit often (like a frog being slowly boiled), but obvious in retrospect.
From what I've seen, sex scene in Thailand (especially the freelancer scene) has gone downhill rapidly around 2009/10, and seems to be in terminal decline. Before that there was decline for some years, but slower paced.
Back in the day (prior to 2009), the scene would easily pull in guys who were averse to prostitution, and came here without thoughts of a naughty holiday. One could effortlessly find someone for an hour, night, week. And often the overall experience was so great that quite a few guys would marry the 1st (or 10th, same thing!) Thai hooker they met (even younger guys did this occasionally).
These days the scene still looks large to a first-time visitor (especially given that it's in plain view and not hidden away like in most other countries), but it's populated by the remnants and dregs, as Goatscrot said, girls obviously too lazy or too stupid to do other work. Or having been hookers for way too long to switch to anything else. It's fair to admit Thai hookers (in the Farang scene) are still more pleasant and service minded than in most other countries (e. G. Vietnam, China), but that's a low bar to clear. And don't care to keep it up for long.
It would be interesting to find statistics on Western sex tourist arrivals (as opposed to general tourist arrivals), and also on the number of marriages between Farang and Thai bargirls. They guys who date or marry what's left on the hooker scene in 2014 must be both desperate and nearly blind (whereas before they were just temporarily blindsided by being treated unexpectedly well).
The sex scene oriented towards Thai customers is clearly on the decline as well, at least the portions I'm familiar with (on the lower end, mostly). Still cheap (prices are far more sticky than in the Farang zone, due to the lack of clueless weekend millionaires), but far fewer venues and girls working.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1638680]The poontang is "not so expensive" in Thailand. Yeah, it's dirt cheap. Like 200 to 300 USD an hour in North America compared to 30 USD for a freelancer in Thailand. So a difference of 7 to 10 times, more or less.
So after a few sessions in the Kingdom a guy has already saved enough relative to what he would have paid at Western rates to have covered the cost of his airfare. Beyond that it's all gravy, cha ching, like getting freebies relative to the Western prices. Yeah, coming to Thailand is so cheap it's like getting free sex!
Moreover the petite sweet girls here aren't infected with the feminist disease. Also bareback sex & BJs are way easier to obtain. And unlike much of the Western world it's legal, rampant & so easily accessible. With all that factored in the value of Thailand over the West just went up a number of times more!
To any "average monger" who realizes these very simple basic fundamentals, the rare loss of a measley 1000 baht because of a poor session should mean less than nothing. The same lame session would be more common where he comes from & cost a hell of a lot more.
But don't let me stop your continual hype about how lousy Siam is now. Just don't expect it's going to have any influence on the P4P scene & its future in the country, or send you in a time machine back to the 1990's.[/QUOTE]Uh, but you have to factor in the cost of the ticket, hotel, etc for the traveler.
If you are in the US you are better off in Tijuana, Costa Rica, or the DR. Again it does not matter what you pay in the US. This is not the US.
BTW, prostitution is illegal in Thailand. Yes, it is "better" here than in the US. But enjoy it because I fear it won't be for long.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1638783]What's a superstar to you? You could define it in many words. Or use a picture which is said to be worth 1000.
How about this:
[URL]https://ca.shine.yahoo.com/how-young-is-too-young-for-plastic-surgery-202700445.html[/URL]
Or is it that you have a thing for girls that look like Britney Spears:
[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstar[/URL]
No thanks, she's not my cup of tea.
Walking around the NEP area the other day during the lunch hour crowds I saw many hot ladies like I would at MBK & Siam. I thought to myself, wow, I've been banging girls exactly like these by the Nana Parking Lot! It's true.
OTOH from recent pics from gogos in this thread, almost without exception I wouldn't be doing them for free, let alone 2000 + 600 baht plus.
Some people just need to get out more. Especially on a Friday night, low season, or when it's time to pay loom.[/QUOTE]Dude, the office girls I see look nothing like the gals in the Nana parking lot. And that is exactly the problem. There are very few semi-pros left as gals can now make a living from their day job. 10 years ago they could not. If they say "loom" then that is a dead giveaway.
The gals in LOS are getting better looking every day. They dress better, know more about making themselves up, etc. But those girls are not P4 P gals. Want to see lookers? Head to Thong Lor on a Fri / Sat. Lots of lookers there. And they would not [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] on us if we were on fire. If they are going to date a farang dude, he is going to be within a few years of her age. Times have changed.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1638793]Might be true, but unfortunately, all that would mean is that other destinations have been going downhill at an even faster rate.
Unless you're over 75, you can safely bet on Thailand changing rapidly within your lifetime. Hong Kong and South Korea were once viable and thriving sex destinations (before the internet and cheap air travel so this was not widely publicized and there were no hordes of working class foreigners visiting).
When I moved to Thailand, I also thought the sex scene would not change dramatically for at least a 2-3 decades, but it shifted dramatically in under 10 years. It's difficult to see it coming, and even difficult to figure out it's happening if you live here or visit often (like a frog being slowly boiled), but obvious in retrospect.
From what I've seen, sex scene in Thailand (especially the freelancer scene) has gone downhill rapidly around 2009/10, and seems to be in terminal decline. Before that there was decline for some years, but slower paced.
Back in the day (prior to 2009), the scene would easily pull in guys who were averse to prostitution, and came here without thoughts of a naughty holiday. One could effortlessly find someone for an hour, night, week. And often the overall experience was so great that quite a few guys would marry the 1st (or 10th, same thing!) Thai hooker they met (even younger guys did this occasionally).
These days the scene still looks large to a first-time visitor (especially given that it's in plain view and not hidden away like in most other countries), but it's populated by the remnants and dregs, as Goatscrot said, girls obviously too lazy or too stupid to do other work. Or having been hookers for way too long to switch to anything else. It's fair to admit Thai hookers (in the Farang scene) are still more pleasant and service minded than in most other countries (e. G. Vietnam, China), but that's a low bar to clear. And don't care to keep it up for long.
It would be interesting to find statistics on Western sex tourist arrivals (as opposed to general tourist arrivals), and also on the number of marriages between Farang and Thai bargirls. They guys who date or marry what's left on the hooker scene in 2014 must be both desperate and nearly blind (whereas before they were just temporarily blindsided by being treated unexpectedly well).
The sex scene oriented towards Thai customers is clearly on the decline as well, at least the portions I'm familiar with (on the lower end, mostly). Still cheap (prices are far more sticky than in the Farang zone, due to the lack of clueless weekend millionaires), but far fewer venues and girls working.[/QUOTE]Spot on. The entire scene is in decline. It is headed in the direction all P4 P scenes head as nations develop and there is more opportunity for gals.
And change it has. It is a very dynamic place. The P4P scene has changed drastically since 99. And really none of the changes have been positive. Well, a few more gals are A+ and know what a rim job is, but other than that, meh.
In a few years there will be the high end and the low end. And nothing in the middle. Just like it is in the US.
[QUOTE=DRRonin;1638726]To those who might actually believe this and come to Bangkok looking for "superstars" on the streets, please don't waste your time or money. There are no superstars on the streets any more, not even any stars, not even above average. At least in terms of looks. Freelancers on the streets are basically the bottom of the barrel. Street Freelancers is a dying art form.[/QUOTE]So true. What I see on the street is almost appalling.
[QUOTE=Steve7777;1638730]I saw this girl do a 20 barfine last night. One of the more popular Rainbow bars.
2 minutes walking to and from hotel.
1 minute check into hotel.
2 minute chit chat as you get naked.
8 minutes for showering before and after sex.
1 minute to pay and wrap things up.
That leaves 6 minute on the bed. LOL.[/QUOTE]Steve, Funny! A couple of years ago on a December evening three of us sat at the little outside bar in front of the ST hotel on the second floor of Nana. The hotel was quite busy being high season (back when there was a high season), so we decided to time the couples from the time they entered the hotel till the time they exited.
We were there for 90 min. The average couple was in the hotel for 25 min. The longest was 40. Shortest was 17. And we did the exact calculation you did.
BTW, one gal had two customers in 90 min.
WTF? We were amazed. And to think most of these gals were probably getting 2 k for this measly amount of work. No wonder the scene is spoiled.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1638898]In a few years there will be the high end and the low end. And nothing in the middle. Just like it is in the US.[/QUOTE]This could very well be true, but I would still prefer Thai high end to the American equivalent. I am moving in this direction anyway with more interest in high end soapies and G Clubs as time goes by. But at present there are still friendly doable girls in oilies and sexy Go Go girls as well, so it is my opinion that BKK is still very good although not the bargain it once was. Comparatively, just check out prices in Makati Burgos Street Bars and Jakarta high end Bordellos like Alexis and Malioboro. Girlie prices are up universally! And the rise in prices is not just for Asian poontang. Check the price of coffee, bread, or tomatoes at Whole Foods in the good old USA. The prices on these basic commodities are through the roof. Real wages continue to decline in America. Maybe electing responsible leaders might stabilize prices and get the economy back on the right track. Maybe we are already too far into decline. I don't know. Me, I am going to party on until the lights get shut off.
But you, Goatscrot, you must have quite a few favorite massage girls and FL's in your address book. Prices for you, as an ex-pat local guy, must be significantly better than for me a 2 month a year traveler/visitor or a newbie just landing. My favorite Go Go girl asks nothing more than the original price she gave me back in 2010. Most of the time we meet up outside of her Go Go eliminating the barfine and the sex is MUCH BETTER now than it ever was. If I lived in BKK, I know I would have my favorite girls at my beck and call, dropping by my place all the time before and after work and I would be paying them wholesale not retail prices. Likewise, the oily massage parlors that you frequent must know you real well by now and I would expect that you are treated very well there.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1638898]Spot on. The entire scene is in decline.
In a few years there will be the high end and the low end. And nothing in the middle. Just like it is in the US.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1638902]This could very well be true, but I would still prefer Thai high end to the American equivalent.[/QUOTE]I agree with Natty.
Plus, Bangkok Gold, which I consider to be one of the elite escort agencies in Bangkok charges 8000 baht for 4 hours.
In contrast, an elite escort in Miami, Florida charges US$2500 (and up) for 4 hours.
Another option here is thirty minutes with an attractive, ruthless stripper who makes gogo girls in Bangkok seem like sweet little girls. This local stripper will cost US$500 for 30 minutes of mechanical sex paid before the session starts, performed in a room that the club charges you US$125 to use; plus you will pay a US$20 tip to the doorman; and don't think this is optional. Finally after the session the girl will aggressively demand another US$100 tip. Failure to pay up risks creating a very unpleasant scene.
So Goat, I am inclined to believe your prediction about Bangkok's P4P industry, but for now Bangkok is still a bargain and as much as men complain about the poor service from WG in Bangkok, it is much better than in Southeast Florida where I live. I am able to find strippers who I arrange to see outside of the clubs who are fun to be with and give good service, but it takes considerable time to find them and a couple of hours with them costs about US$600. And while I find the service with the girls I see regularly in Bangkok gets better and better, performance deteriorates after a couple of sessions with the local stripper, and then the hunt for a new girl begins again.
Be thankful for what you have.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1638893]Uh, but you have to factor in the cost of the ticket, hotel, etc for the traveler.
If you are in the US you are better off in Tijuana, Costa Rica, or the DR. Again it does not matter what you pay in the US. This is not the US.
BTW, prostitution is illegal in Thailand. Yes, it is "better" here than in the US. But enjoy it because I fear it won't be for long.[/QUOTE]I know an American who lived in CR. He's been in Pattaya for a few years now & loves it.
For me I think BKK is as close to perfect as it gets. I've looked into a lot of places all over the world. Singapore, though, in Geylang, is to my taste, even better in some ways. That was a hidden gem that my research and investigations unearthed. As the saying goes, seek & you will find.
The cost of the airfare was already mentioned. Hotel is a non factor with travelers such as myself who have given up there residence back in farang land or are renting it out.
Otherwise if airfare is 1000 USD and a 30 day hotel stay in BKK is 1200 more, that's 2200 USD. If the guy does only one P4 P gal a day at a savings of 200 USD over what he'd pay back in the USA, that's 6000 USD saved. Subtract the 2200 and he's essentially getting 3800 USD worth of free sex in LOS. Make that 5000 if the hotel cost is excluded. Like I've said before, I've gotten 6 or 7 figures of free poon value by regularly being in Asia over the years. So, yes, obviously the prices one pays back in the Western world or Far East or Middle East do matter when sex tourists are considering whether it will be worth it to make the trip or just stay home.
Prostitution illegal? Not. Search some old posts by Wolvenvaht the lawyer with the actual legal code translated into English.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1638899]So true. What I see on the street is almost appalling.[/QUOTE]Man after reading the thread on Bangkok and Thailand and going several pages back I have decided to not even leave the BKK airport. I get into Bangkok in the 21st and just booked a flight straight to PI. I went back 10-15 pages and not one positive thing said. The whole scene sounds kind of repulsive. Old worn out women and high prices. I should have read the thread before I booked a flight. Cost me an extra $240 to move on to the promise land. God knows I love PI.
[QUOTE=W20415;1638949]Man after reading the thread on Bangkok and Thailand and going several pages back I have decided to not even leave the BKK airport.[/QUOTE]On the other hand, I was last in Bangkok in June and had much fun as always and can't wait to be back in 3 weeks. I have a friend who is very experienced in the FKK mongering scene in Germany who upon his first visit found Bangkok and Pattaya to be fantastic and can't wait to return. I suppose it would be controversial to suggest some of the locals who post on the forum may be pooh poohing the scene to discourage people from visiting the land of smiles.
There are more than a few older, hardened women in Bangkok and the gogo girls in the bars are not as attractive as they were a few years ago, but the better escort agencies in Bangkok have attractive ladies who provide excellent service at an absolute bargain price, compared to escorts in North Amercia and Western Europe. There are many girls in the oilie MPs that cater to farangs who provide a good PSE. An iconic soapy like Nataree is filled with very attractive young women from Chiang Rai, reputed to be the home of Thailand's most beautiful women. The knock on Nataree was that the rooms were old and abysmal. In June I found them to be newly remodeled and very nice. The Nataree girls may speak no English and be inexperienced but if you have the right attitude it can be fun to teach a lovely 19 year old Thai girl who is eager to please a thing or two about sex. No FLs? In June I found many attractive, if not beautiful, ladies hanging in and around Thermae, and contrary to what some guys on the forum want you to believe, they took great interest in this farang.
[QUOTE=W20415;1638949]Man after reading the thread on Bangkok and Thailand and going several pages back I have decided to not even leave the BKK airport. [/QUOTE]All depends on your perspective. The last few pages of comments were generally written from the standpoint of long-term expats or repeat visitors who use Thailand 5-10 years ago or even in late 1990's as a reference. Compared to that, the scene is rather depressing in virtually every respect (selection, service, looks, price).
If you're coming from a fundamentalist sex-for-sale desert like Saudi Arabia or USA, Bangkok scene will look great. However, if you're from a non-stuck-up place with a passable PFP scene like Germany or Russia, I doubt Bangkok would impress. Scene seems larger (due to venues being more visible), prices can be lower (though not by much, especially if you count flights / hotel), and service is indeed still better (albeit inconsistent, and without stellar GFE which used to be the main draw). On the other hand, in the Frankfurt RLD or Moscow dosug ads, far better looks and more diversity can be found.
You can see the difference in perspective right here when some mongers talk about seeing superstars or lookalikes of Thai office girls in Nana Parking Lot, while to those familiar with Thailand they're obviously in the bottom 30% of Thai females by looks.
I wouldn't be willing to bet Thailand is worse than the Philippines. In fact, Bangkok is almost certainly better than Manila these days. Pattaya vs AC is also a tossup. Haven't been in the PI for many years (and honestly, didn't like it much when I went), but AC may have an advantage in more readily available GFE, whereas Pattaya has a bigger scene, somewhat better looking girls, and is overall more pleasant (safer, has non-mongering stuff to do).
In summary, skipping Bangkok might be OK, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend skipping Pattaya for AC.
I absolutely agree with every word you wrote. Things have declined seriously in Thailand and in general in many other destinations such as CR. The FL quality is just horrible now a days, I can't be paid enough to have sex with such plain looking women.
The world has changed a lot since 99. No one could imagine such a serious decline in western tourist in those days. And no one imagined Chinese and Indians becoming dominant travelers in 10 years but that's precisely what has happened. Most good looking or charming females don't need to enter P4P any more, they have lots of opportunities.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1638898]Spot on. The entire scene is in decline. It is headed in the direction all P4 P scenes head as nations develop and there is more opportunity for gals.
And change it has. It is a very dynamic place. The P4P scene has changed drastically since 99. And really none of the changes have been positive. Well, a few more gals are A+ and know what a rim job is, but other than that, meh.
In a few years there will be the high end and the low end. And nothing in the middle. Just like it is in the US.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1638961]All depends on your perspective. The last few pages of comments were generally written from the standpoint of long-term expats or repeat visitors who use Thailand 5-10 years ago or even in late 1990's as a reference. Compared to that, the scene is rather depressing in virtually every respect (selection, service, looks, price).[/QUOTE]Bangkok is not what it was in the 90's or first decade of this century. Still, I would not call it depressing. I think some guy's gloomy perspective may be because the P4P scene is less affordable for them than it used to be. In contrast, compared to Southeast Florida (where I live), everything in Bangkok is a bargain, lodging, food, transportation and sex.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1638961]If you're coming from a fundamentalist sex-for-sale desert like Saudi Arabia or USA, Bangkok scene will look great. However, if you're from a non-stuck-up place with a passable PFP scene like Germany or Russia, I doubt Bangkok would impress.[/QUOTE]Are you serious? Lumping Saudi Arabia and the USA in the same category. I will be charitable and assume you are making a joke and not being a moron. Also, as I mentioned in my earlier post some men experienced in the German FKK scene really like Bangkok and Pattaya. The scenes are different. Each has its good points.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1638961]You can see the difference in perspective right here when some mongers talk about seeing superstars or lookalikes of Thai office girls in Nana Parking Lot, while to those familiar with Thailand they're obviously in the bottom 30% of Thai females by looks.[/QUOTE]I agree. I've seen absolutely stunning Pretties in Siam Paragon; the gentlemen's clubs have some very attractive women working in them; I've not seen any stunning women in the oilie MPs, gogos, bar beers or on the sidewalks. However, I know several ladies working in various MPs who I find attractive, are fun to be with and with whom I have great sex.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1638961]I wouldn't be willing to bet Thailand is worse than the Philippines. In fact, Bangkok is almost certainly better than Manila these days. Pattaya vs AC is also a tossup. Haven't been in the PI for many years (and honestly, didn't like it much when I went), but AC may have an advantage in more readily available GFE, whereas Pattaya has a bigger scene, somewhat better looking girls, and is overall more pleasant (safer, has non-mongering stuff to do).[/QUOTE]Natty Bumpo, whose opinions I respect, completed a swing through Asia with stops in the Philippines, Jakarta, Macau and Thailand as I recall. He wrote many excellent posts on these locations. It would be wise to read those. They are one man's opinion, but he is a very reasonable man with much experience.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1638961]In summary, skipping Bangkok might be OK, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend skipping Pattaya for AC.[/QUOTE]I might suggest skipping Pattaya but not Bangkok, but I won't, I recommend anyone traveling to Southeast Asia for the first time visit both Bangkok and Pattaya. Some may prefer one or the other; some may like both for various reasons.
For the sake of full disclosure I recently visited BKK, Manila, Pattaya, AC and Subic.
BKK has much better food, better infrastructure (more choices in hotels at all price points + better transportation), and it is safer than Manila although Manila is not dangerous if you know how act in a large 3rd world city. There is much more to do during the day in BKK than in Manila.
Girls:
BKK girls on average are better looking than Manila Pinays. The key words are "on average"; because there are some great looking girls in Manila if you are willing to pay up for them. Which brings me to price:
Near the bottom rung, 1500 p ($34) to 2000 p ($45) gets you an MBC FL girl. They are very nice, but for the most part VERY PLAIN. Why some guys want to fly half way around the world to shag a plain girl they would be embarrassed to be seen out with in their home towns is a mystery to me, but guys do it all the time. There are plenty of plain girls in BKK and Pattaya too and they all seem to find customers. 555.
Then for a minimum of 4800 p ($107) you can move up in class and looks to an EDSA Entertainment Complex girl. The girls in my favorite bar in EDSA, the Cotton Club, are roughly on par with Nana Go Go girls you will find in RB4 only MUCH MORE GFE. That is the key difference. They are attractive Pinays and offer the GFE, but some guys can fuck that up too, so there is no guarantee of service if you are an Ass-hole.
Next up the ladder are Burgos Street bar girls. My favorite Burgos Bar is Bottoms and believe me they have some great girls. The price is not cheap! It is 3900 p for barfine and 4000 p for service or $176 total all in. Now they do credit Lady Drinks towards the barfine so if you buy your girl 10 shots of Tequila (10*390) there is no barfine. Ha Ha! Usually I bought around 4 Tequila shots for my girl while we went at it very hot and heavy in a booth, so the barfine was 2340 p (3900 p - 1560 p) or $52, but there was still the girl's fee of 4000 p ST or 5000 p LT ($89ST / $112 LT) that must be agreed upon.
And lastly, above Burgos Street Bars are the International Clubs and KTV's like Universe, Air Force 1, La La Land, Pharaohs KTV, and Classmates. Roughly expect to spend around 12000 p ($268) to shag a FHM model quality girl. This would be the equivalent of G-Club ing in BKK.
So the bottom line: Manila has great girls, but at a pretty steep price. It is definitely not cheaper than BKK. In fact, when paying up for quality, it is at least as expensive and sometimes a lot more so than BKK. What Manila girls have on average over Thai girls is the GFE. With the key words being "on average" because some of us can find plenty of GFE in BKK too. But until you try some Pinay GFE, you won't know what I am talking about. I like Makati and plan to spend 2 weeks there on my next trip forsaking AC and Subic. I love BKK and will spend twice as much time here on my next trip.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1638980]For the sake of full disclosure I recently visited BKK, Manila, Pattaya, AC and Subic.[/QUOTE] I saw some excellent posts from you on the Macau thread about a month ago. After reading your preceding post I read them and noticed the visit was last spring. I didn't catch that until now.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1638902]This could very well be true, but I would still prefer Thai high end to the American equivalent. I am moving in this direction anyway with more interest in high end soapies and G Clubs as time goes by. But at present there are still friendly doable girls in oilies and sexy Go Go girls as well, so it is my opinion that BKK is still very good although not the bargain it once was. Comparatively, just check out prices in Makati Burgos Street Bars and Jakarta high end Bordellos like Alexis and Malioboro. Girlie prices are up universally! And the rise in prices is not just for Asian poontang. Check the price of coffee, bread, or tomatoes at Whole Foods in the good old USA. The prices on these basic commodities are through the roof. Real wages continue to decline in America. Maybe electing responsible leaders might stabilize prices and get the economy back on the right track. Maybe we are already too far into decline. I don't know. Me, I am going to party on until the lights get shut off.
But you, Goatscrot, you must have quite a few favorite massage girls and FL's in your address book. Prices for you, as an ex-pat local guy, must be significantly better than for me a 2 month a year traveler/visitor or a newbie just landing. My favorite Go Go girl asks nothing more than the original price she gave me back in 2010. Most of the time we meet up outside of her Go Go eliminating the barfine and the sex is MUCH BETTER now than it ever was. If I lived in BKK, I know I would have my favorite girls at my beck and call, dropping by my place all the time before and after work and I would be paying them wholesale not retail prices. Likewise, the oily massage parlors that you frequent must know you real well by now and I would expect that you are treated very well there.[/QUOTE]Natty and Paul, Respectfully, for the long term resident the prices and service in the US really have no bearing on Thailand. I live here and have for 15 years. So the only valid comparison is for an expat is then and now. And now is very different from then. But, hey I certainly understand your viewpoint.
While you are spot on (I have a few favorites from the oilies), it required quite a change in my modus operandi. For years I went out on average 4 nights a week, rarely if ever taking the same girl twice. Most nights in Thermae, Nana Disco, or even walking lower Suk I would have scads of girls to choose from. Everywhere you went in that area there were pretty great gals. Thermae was so packed by 2 am that you could hardly walk (it closed at 6 am) and Nana Disco was filled with amazingly good looking gals. There were gals everywhere. The volume was amazing. GoGos could be fun as well. Midnight was amazing before the "Arab" took it over. 500 baht included the BF and the ST room upstairs. Gals were very happy with 1000 baht. All drinks were 100 baht, lady drinks included. We were there at least twice a week in the back booth that smelled like cat [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]. Also had a few private parties upstairs which were amazing.
In my eyes the decline started about the time of the 06 coup and accelerated rapidly after the floods a few years ago. Forced my hand to switch from a mainly FL guy to an oily guy.
The other aspect was the fun. Do a lap in Thermae and you would have countless gals grabbing your crotch asking to go with you. It was an incredible amount of fun. The "scene" has always been business for these gals, but now the fun element is missing.
Your operational strategy if you were a resident is right in the wheelhouse. That is what most guys do these days. They get a rotation and order in. I have a "regular" gal that lives with me, so that is not an option. If I lived alone, that is what I would.
I do agree that the price you come in at is the price you pay for the duration. That seems to be the case. However, I kind of cringe at the thought of seeing some of the gals that I did 15 years ago. Some would be 40 + now!
Don't get me wrong. I still love this city. Best food town on the planet. And cheap. Great coffee and of course really amazing looking women where ever you go.
I have great friends here. Most long term guys like myself. We don't run the bars when we go out. Once a week, we meet up, head out for a great meal, and go get a drink or two where we can talk.
Would I move here for the P4 P scene now? Probably not. It is great to have and I would not want to live in a place without availability, but frankly it is not what keeps me in BKK. So if either of you ever decide to settle here, rest assured it is an amazing town with so many other things to offer besides just gals.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1638980]For the sake of full disclosure I recently visited BKK, Manila, Pattaya, AC and Subic.
BKK has much better food, better infrastructure (more choices in hotels at all price points + better transportation), and it is safer than Manila although Manila is not dangerous if you know how act in a large 3rd world city. There is much more to do during the day in BKK than in Manila.
Girls:
BKK girls on average are better looking than Manila Pinays. The key words are "on average"; because there are some great looking girls in Manila if you are willing to pay up for them. Which brings me to price:
Near the bottom rung, 1500 p ($34) to 2000 p ($45) gets you an MBC FL girl. They are very nice, but for the most part VERY PLAIN. Why some guys want to fly half way around the world to shag a plain girl they would be embarrassed to be seen out with in their home towns is a mystery to me, but guys do it all the time. There are plenty of plain girls in BKK and Pattaya too and they all seem to find customers. 555.
Then for a minimum of 4800 p ($107) you can move up in class and looks to an EDSA Entertainment Complex girl. The girls in my favorite bar in EDSA, the Cotton Club, are roughly on par with Nana Go Go girls you will find in RB4 only MUCH MORE GFE. That is the key difference. They are attractive Pinays and offer the GFE, but some guys can fuck that up too, so there is no guarantee of service if you are an Ass-hole.
Next up the ladder are Burgos Street bar girls. My favorite Burgos Bar is Bottoms and believe me they have some great girls. The price is not cheap! It is 3900 p for barfine and 4000 p for service or $176 total all in. Now they do credit Lady Drinks towards the barfine so if you buy your girl 10 shots of Tequila (10*390) there is no barfine. Ha Ha! Usually I bought around 4 Tequila shots for my girl while we went at it very hot and heavy in a booth, so the barfine was 2340 p (3900 p - 1560 p) or $52, but there was still the girl's fee of 4000 p ST or 5000 p LT ($89ST / $112 LT) that must be agreed upon.
And lastly, above Burgos Street Bars are the International Clubs and KTV's like Universe, Air Force 1, La La Land, Pharaohs KTV, and Classmates. Roughly expect to spend around 12000 p ($268) to shag a FHM model quality girl. This would be the equivalent of G-Club ing in BKK.
So the bottom line: Manila has great girls, but at a pretty steep price. It is definitely not cheaper than BKK. In fact, when paying up for quality, it is at least as expensive and sometimes a lot more so than BKK. What Manila girls have on average over Thai girls is the GFE. With the key words being "on average" because some of us can find plenty of GFE in BKK too. But until you try some Pinay GFE, you won't know what I am talking about. I like Makati and plan to spend 2 weeks there on my next trip forsaking AC and Subic. I love BKK and will spend twice as much time here on my next trip.[/QUOTE]BKK is an amazing city. It has so much to offer. I have barely scratched the surface in 15 years.
Manila is kind of a pit. Phil food is abysmal. I do like Pinay gals though. Fluent English makes a difference.
Give us a PM next time you are in BKK. I will take you out to some great hole in the wall Thai places.
[QUOTE=Margaya;1638964]I absolutely agree with every word you wrote. Things have declined seriously in Thailand and in general in many other destinations such as CR. The FL quality is just horrible now a days, I can't be paid enough to have sex with such plain looking women.
The world has changed a lot since 99. No one could imagine such a serious decline in western tourist in those days. And no one imagined Chinese and Indians becoming dominant travelers in 10 years but that's precisely what has happened. Most good looking or charming females don't need to enter P4P any more, they have lots of opportunities.[/QUOTE]And the Chinese dudes have only just started to come. I shudder to think what the bars will look like in 5 years. There are lots of these dudes. The ratio of guys to gals in their country is not so good.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1638936]I know an American who lived in CR. He's been in Pattaya for a few years now & loves it.
For me I think BKK is as close to perfect as it gets. I've looked into a lot of places all over the world. Singapore, though, in Geylang, is to my taste, even better in some ways. That was a hidden gem that my research and investigations unearthed. As the saying goes, seek & you will find.
The cost of the airfare was already mentioned. Hotel is a non factor with travelers such as myself who have given up there residence back in farang land or are renting it out.
Otherwise if airfare is 1000 USD and a 30 day hotel stay in BKK is 1200 more, that's 2200 USD. If the guy does only one P4 P gal a day at a savings of 200 USD over what he'd pay back in the USA, that's 6000 USD saved. Subtract the 2200 and he's essentially getting 3800 USD worth of free sex in LOS. Make that 5000 if the hotel cost is excluded. Like I've said before, I've gotten 6 or 7 figures of free poon value by regularly being in Asia over the years. So, yes, obviously the prices one pays back in the Western world or Far East or Middle East do matter when sex tourists are considering whether it will be worth it to make the trip or just stay home.
Prostitution illegal? Not. Search some old posts by Wolvenvaht the lawyer with the actual legal code translated into English.[/QUOTE]I would agree with you about Geylang. I wish we had a brothel area like that in BKK. Fits my style to a tee. FLs and ST houses. Love it.
Solicitation is illegal here. That is why a "massage" is sold. I do look for changes in this given the current "government" and the changing status of women in this country.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1638921]
In contrast, an elite escort in Miami, Florida charges US$2500 (and up) for 4 hours.
Another option here is thirty minutes with an attractive, ruthless stripper who makes gogo girls in Bangkok seem like sweet little girls. This local stripper will cost US$500 for 30 minutes of mechanical sex paid before the session starts, performed in a room that the club charges you US$125 to use; plus you will pay a US$20 tip to the doorman; and don't think this is optional. Finally after the session the girl will aggressively demand another US$100 tip. Failure to pay up risks creating a very unpleasant scene.
Be thankful for what you have.[/QUOTE]If I were a billionaire I wouldn't put up with that shit. I'd rather use my hand and look at porn than pay an "attractive" bytch to abuse my sensibilities and make me pay for the privilege.
Yes, I'm thankful for what I have in Pattaya -- everything I want and plenty more and the cost is still reasonable. I'm sure that Mr. Goat doesn't realize how lucky he is to live in Thailand.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1638893]
BTW, prostitution is illegal in Thailand. Yes, it is "better" here than in the US. But enjoy it because I fear it won't be for long.[/QUOTE]OMB! How many times does it have to be repeated? Prostitution is NOT illegal in Thailand. Certain elements that go together with some forms of prostitution (but not prostitution itself) are punishable (many have only very low fines), such as soliciting on the street, creating a nuisance, pimping, under-age sex, . . .
And the "buyer" side of the business is totally legal, as young as you respect the age limits.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1639044]OMB! How many times does it have to be repeated? Prostitution is NOT illegal in Thailand. Certain elements that go together with some forms of prostitution (but not prostitution itself) are punishable (many have only very low fines), such as soliciting on the street, creating a nuisance, pimping, under-age sex, . . .
And the "buyer" side of the business is totally legal, as young as you respect the age limits.[/QUOTE]The definition of solicitation is interpreted loosely. If one does not pay the "piper" then one's business can easily be placed in violation.
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1639033]If I were a billionaire I wouldn't put up with that shit. I'd rather use my hand and look at porn than pay an "attractive" bytch to abuse my sensibilities and make me pay for the privilege.
Yes, I'm thankful for what I have in Pattaya -- everything I want and plenty more and the cost is still reasonable. I'm sure that Mr. Goat doesn't realize how lucky he is to live in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Dude, I have been here for 15 years FFS. I still like BKK and still like living in Thailand. And that is despite it being twice as expensive all around and 25% as fun P4P wise as it used to be. I would rather swallow a pistol than live in the US again. Fundy Christians, militant feminists, right wing conservative nut jobs; no thanks! But, knowing the changes I have seen, I would not move to Thailand now if sex was my only interest. And truthfully most of my long term expat friends feel the same way. Most of us moved her for the chicks but we stay long term for other reasons. I am very grateful that I got to experience what I did. It was amazing. Not just Thailand but Cambo in its heyday.
And you know what? I won't put up with a lot of shit the gals here pull now days. I feel exactly as you stated in your first paragraph. That is why I partake far less now.
BTW, I used to love Pattaya as well. Was there at least once a month during my first 7 years here. During low season you could have shot a cannon down Sois 7 and 8 and not hit anyone. Girls aplenty and no dudes. When the Starbucks at Soi 13 opened we used to sit upstairs all afternoon shooting the shit. Rarely would there be anyone else up there. Pattaya is just too crowded these days, not to mention the unsavory demographics. I admire you for being able to live there.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1639046]The definition of solicitation is interpreted loosely. If one does not pay the "piper" then one's business can easily be placed in violation.[/QUOTE]"Solicitation": I agree. But I have never seen or heard a conviction for "prostitution" in Thailand. As we are talking legal concepts and definitions you have to be careful with what you say and not tell the other members things which are clearly and plainly wrong.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1639048] I have been here for 15 years FFS. I still like BKK and still like living in Thailand. And that is despite it being twice as expensive all around and 25% as fun P4P wise as it used to be. I would rather swallow a pistol than live in the US again. Fundy Christians, militant feminists, right wing conservative nut jobs; no thanks! But, knowing the changes I have seen, I would not move to Thailand now if sex was my only interest. And truthfully most of my long term expat friends feel the same way. Most of us moved her for the chicks but we stay long term for other reasons. I am very grateful that I got to experience what I did. It was amazing. Not just Thailand but Cambo in its heyday. [/QUOTE]Glad to know that you still like BKK and Thailand despite all the changes since 1999, Goat. The majority of your reports have been so depressingly negative of late that it made me think you have become sour on the Land of Smiles. That would be a shame as I imagine we both agree that Thailand beats the USA hands down on many levels as a good place to live.
We're both Americans; we both can't stand the fundy Christians; militant feminists; right wing conservative nut jobs, and all the rest of it. I came to live here in Thailand to escape that and so did you. I can't think of a better country to live in taking all things into consideration right now than Thailand. No one on this forum has argued seriously that there are better countries to live in for mongering expats than Thailand when all things are considered such as cost of living, infrastructure, personal freedoms, safety, and availability of willing girls, and on and on.
Honestly, the only negative aspect I've noticed in my 7 years living here is that prices for P4 P have gone up significantly. Cost of living otherwise has remained about the same. In 2006 I could enjoy ST with a go-go stunner for 1000 baht; 2000 for LT. So yes, the price has doubled; it's gone from $30 US to $60 for sex with a beautiful woman; still a tremendous bargain IMHO.
There are just as many if not more girls working here today as ever. They keep coming to Pattaya by the busload. The go-go bars have lots of cuties. I strolled down a short stretch of Beach Road a few nights ago and spotted at least 10 young cuties looking for customers. Whether there are 100 or 10 all you really need is one and I can always find enough to satisfy my tastes.
Be honest, Goat. How many of your girls in 1999 were willing to rim and deep throat you PSE style as compared to today? Not that many I suspect. Maybe your expectations for having a good time with Thai girls is a bit too high.
BTW my condo is in Jomtien, which is far away from the crowds of unsavory characters you'll find in some areas of Pattaya.
I'm certain that in your 15 years living in Thailand you possess a wealth of information about the positive aspects of BKK which would benefit me and others on this forum far more than the negative stuff.
Tell us about the good stuff, Goat!
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1639033]If I were a billionaire I wouldn't put up with that shit. I'd rather use my hand and look at porn than pay an "attractive" bytch to abuse my sensibilities and make me pay for the privilege.
Yes, I'm thankful for what I have in Pattaya -- everything I want and plenty more and the cost is still reasonable. I'm sure that Mr. Goat doesn't realize how lucky he is to live in Thailand.[/QUOTE]I live in Hawaii and the cost of living is insane. Just trying to sell my business and I am out of here. We used to windsurf Jomtien Beach back in the late 80's. Then the last year we went they had just started to build the first Condotell. I wonder what it looks like now? I have a house in Bali and will retire there soon.
Aloha.
RL.
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1639086]Glad to know that you still like BKK and Thailand despite all the changes since 1999, Goat. The majority of your reports have been so depressingly negative of late that it made me think you have become sour on the Land of Smiles. That would be a shame as I imagine we both agree that Thailand beats the USA hands down on many levels as a good place to live.
We're both Americans; we both can't stand the fundy Christians; militant feminists; right wing conservative nut jobs, and all the rest of it. I came to live here in Thailand to escape that and so did you. I can't think of a better country to live in taking all things into consideration right now than Thailand. No one on this forum has argued seriously that there are better countries to live in for mongering expats than Thailand when all things are considered such as cost of living, infrastructure, personal freedoms, safety, and availability of willing girls, and on and on.
Honestly, the only negative aspect I've noticed in my 7 years living here is that prices for P4 P have gone up significantly. Cost of living otherwise has remained about the same. In 2006 I could enjoy ST with a go-go stunner for 1000 baht; 2000 for LT. So yes, the price has doubled; it's gone from $30 US to $60 for sex with a beautiful woman; still a tremendous bargain IMHO.
There are just as many if not more girls working here today as ever. They keep coming to Pattaya by the busload. The go-go bars have lots of cuties. I strolled down a short stretch of Beach Road a few nights ago and spotted at least 10 young cuties looking for customers. Whether there are 100 or 10 all you really need is one and I can always find enough to satisfy my tastes.
Be honest, Goat. How many of your girls in 1999 were willing to rim and deep throat you PSE style as compared to today? Not that many I suspect. Maybe your expectations for having a good time with Thai girls is a bit too high.
BTW my condo is in Jomtien, which is far away from the crowds of unsavory characters you'll find in some areas of Pattaya.
I'm certain that in your 15 years living in Thailand you possess a wealth of information about the positive aspects of BKK which would benefit me and others on this forum far more than the negative stuff.
Tell us about the good stuff, Goat![/QUOTE]I would say there are just as many gals in Pattaya now as there were then. BKK is a different story.
Overall cost of living, not counting P4 P is easily 100% more than in 99. Of course the baht was at 40+ then as well. So there is 25% and inflation has been mad really.
Personally of all the countries in the region that I have "hobbied" in, I must say that Indo provides the best overall gals. Looks, performance, etc. No shyness as with many Thai gals, voluptuous women, and very highly sexually charged. But, I could not live in Jakarta. BKK is a much better and more user friendly place to hang one's hat.
Um, well very few gals would rim, but most back in the "day" would do you like they were with a boyfriend they were very turned on by. They wanted to get off and have a good time. I really don't find that as much here.
Really, the P4 P scene gets little of my time and attention these days. I hit the oilies a few times a month and when I meet a friend out might hit the FL venues once a month, although I rarely partake from them. Food, socializing, the indie music scene, all get far more of my attention these days. But don't get me wrong, I am damn glad I can get laid whenever I want. I just really miss the fun times. It was this free for all party every night. Then the "social order" crackdown came in 02 and things started to change a bit.
What's great here? Food! Man, this has to be the greatest food city on the planet bar none. For those of you senior members out there, PM me when you are in town and I will take you to some amazing Thai places; well off the beaten path. The indie music scene is also quite fun. Start a band and you can get gigs!
Dude I hope that Soi 6 prices have not doubled. Twas my favorite street in Thailand.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1639049]"Solicitation": I agree. But I have never seen or heard a conviction for "prostitution" in Thailand. As we are talking legal concepts and definitions you have to be careful with what you say and not tell the other members things which are clearly and plainly wrong.[/QUOTE]Wolv, with the current military gov and the imposition of martial law the army and police have carte blanche. Best to be well aware of what one is doing. Remember there is no Constitution at this point.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1639027]And the Chinese dudes have only just started to come. I shudder to think what the bars will look like in 5 years. There are lots of these dudes. The ratio of guys to gals in their country is not so good.[/QUOTE]While in China male to female ratio is poor, there is no shortage of working girls at all price levels in different sorts of venues. Service tends to be abysmal (due to Chinese grab-the-money-and-run mentality), but there is no shortage.
I don't see why single Chinese guys would come to Thailand for mongering. Shagging at home is almost certainly cheaper (if travel costs are included), and despite better service, I doubt the bottom-of-the-barrel Issan girl are really their cup of tea.
They might go for the Rachada soapies, but I doubt we're on the verge of a Chinese invasion on currently Farang-oriented naughty bars (Indians are a different matter). In fact, despite Mainland Chinese already being the #1 visitor group in Thailand, I can't recall ever running into a PRC monger in Thailand (the Chinese I did see were overseas / Malaysian / Taiwanese etc).
Of course, hard to know for sure what the future will bring, you might turn out correct in the end.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1639116]While in China male to female ratio is poor, there is no shortage of working girls at all price levels in different sorts of venues. Service tends to be abysmal (due to Chinese grab-the-money-and-run mentality), but there is no shortage.
I don't see why single Chinese guys would come to Thailand for mongering. Shagging at home is almost certainly cheaper (if travel costs are included), and despite better service, I doubt the bottom-of-the-barrel Issan girl are really their cup of tea.
They might go for the Rachada soapies, but I doubt we're on the verge of a Chinese invasion on currently Farang-oriented naughty bars (Indians are a different matter). In fact, despite Mainland Chinese already being the #1 visitor group in Thailand, I can't recall ever running into a PRC monger in Thailand (the Chinese I did see were overseas / Malaysian / Taiwanese etc).
Of course, hard to know for sure what the future will bring, you might turn out correct in the end.[/QUOTE]Dude, I hope you are right. I would hate to see thousands of ill mannered mainland males running around BKK chasing skirt. With the current crackdown in China that seems to be lasting they might be here sooner than we think! Yikes.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1639108]What's great here? Food! Man, this has to be the greatest food city on the planet bar none. For those of you senior members out there, PM me when you are in town and I will take you to some amazing Thai places; well off the beaten path. The indie music scene is also quite fun. Start a band and you can get gigs! [/QUOTE]That's what I want to hear; won't be starting a band anytime soon but this old codger still loves good food, Jack Daniels Tennessee whiskey, and pretty young girls so I'll definitely take you up on your offer to show me the good stuff the next time I'm in BKK.
Regards, Daddy.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1638980]?.....BKK girls on average are better looking than Manila Pinays. The key words are "on average"; because there are some great looking girls in Manila if you are willing to pay up for them...[/QUOTE]Natty,
Excellent FR as usual. I notice your on average note.
Someone once said that he had no use for averages. If you've got one foot in a bucket of boiling water and the other in a bucket of ice, he said, on average you should be feeling fine.
Or this one: Just because your left foot is in a bucket of ice water and your right foot is in a bucket of boiling water doesn't mean that, on average, your balls are comfortable (Luke Marusiak book).
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1639127]Dude, I hope you are right. I would hate to see thousands of ill mannered mainland males running around BKK chasing skirt. With the current crackdown in China that seems to be lasting they might be here sooner than we think! Yikes.[/QUOTE]Theres a few reasons why I don't think it will happen. And I live in China.
Firstly, Chinese tend to play with other Chinese. They think the dark Thais and Filipinas are beneath them and they just arent attracted to them. Taiwanese are happy with Filipinas but not mainland Chinese.
Second, they know Pattaya and Bangkok, but only when they are with large tour groups being taken from restaurant to shop to bus tour etc. They are comfortable doing that.
Third, language. They are scared of being ripped off and know they can't speak so well, yet.
Fourth Chinese men, however horny they are in China, just don't seem to be very horny outside China. If they travel they like to go with their own GF, in a tour group. They just haven't evolved to all male travel groups, yet.
Fifth, Chinese government regularly posts warnings about the dangers of going to other travels. Because two Chinese traders got kidnapped in Cotobato deeply South Philippines, the Chinese Min Foreign Affairs made an advisory to ALL Chinese not to travel. Same advisory after Thai coup. And many Chinese are wary of international travel anyways.
I had a GF here, wonderfully big boobs, she was 23 and had no passport. Her mom wouldn't let her get a passport because " other countries arent safe ".
I think all of us who monger in south west Asia are safe from hordes of Chinese for a while.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1639048]Dude, I have been here for 15 years FFS. I still like BKK and still like living in Thailand. And that is despite it being twice as expensive all around and 25% as fun P4P wise as it used to be. I would rather swallow a pistol than live in the US again. Fundy Christians, militant feminists, right wing conservative nut jobs; no thanks! But, knowing the changes I have seen, I would not move to Thailand now if sex was my only interest. And truthfully most of my long term expat friends feel the same way. Most of us moved her for the chicks but we stay long term for other reasons. I am very grateful that I got to experience what I did. It was amazing. Not just Thailand but Cambo in its heyday.
And you know what? I won't put up with a lot of shit the gals here pull now days. I feel exactly as you stated in your first paragraph. That is why I partake far less now.
BTW, I used to love Pattaya as well. Was there at least once a month during my first 7 years here. During low season you could have shot a cannon down Sois 7 and 8 and not hit anyone. Girls aplenty and no dudes. When the Starbucks at Soi 13 opened we used to sit upstairs all afternoon shooting the shit. Rarely would there be anyone else up there. Pattaya is just too crowded these days, not to mention the unsavory demographics. I admire you for being able to live there.[/QUOTE]Goat, what are the "unsavory demographics" in Pattaya? I haven't been there for years. Always have short trips, so only explore BKK for about 5 years now.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1638493]Please cite your sources. Or are we to simply take your word for it?
Tourist arrivals are up, year over year, at least up through 2013. The numbers for 2014 aren't in yet. However, many other sources claim that, although gross tourist numbers are up, business in the bars is down. It's very hard to obtain and retain staff. Fewer girls = fewer customers. But you seem to have some inside knowledge, so please be kind enough to share. Where are these hordes of sex tourists going, whose services are they using?
Oh, and $100+ short times is hardly "more bang for your buck" compared to many places.[/QUOTE]It's well known that Thailand has been a top world tourist destination for many years now. And that inspite of all the political, natural & other disasters it has continually faced. The Koh Tao murders being one of the most recent.
The year 2014, of course, is a slow year for tourism due to the protests, curfews, the high season being a low season & so forth. The trend in the past decade or two is when such things occur the rate of tourism slows a bit or levels for a while. Then a few months later it starts to skyrocket again.
Therefore 2014 has been an excellent year for the hobby, as evidenced by ISG reports. Fewer tourists always means less guys competing for the hotter ladies & the providing of better attitudes and services. I expect periods like this to continue in Siam for years to come because history repeats itself & the leopard can't remove its spots.
I'm from Canada where 200 to 300 dollars is a quite common price range for independents. Compare that to Thailand at around 7 to 10 times less than that or 1000 baht. Moreover Canada is about to make the buying of sex illegal & a criminal offence. So Asia is sounding better all the time!
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1639132]That's what I want to hear; won't be starting a band anytime soon but this old codger still loves good food, Jack Daniels Tennessee whiskey, and pretty young girls so I'll definitely take you up on your offer to show me the good stuff the next time I'm in BKK.
Regards, Daddy.[/QUOTE]And you won't be disappointed. Goat is a cool guy to hang with. Hey, change that gawd-awful one-step-up-from-moonshine JD to a fine single malt, and I'll join the both of you. :)
[QUOTE=TesterTester;1639152]Goat, what are the "unsavory demographics" in Pattaya? I haven't been there for years. Always have short trips, so only explore BKK for about 5 years now.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, Pattaya has, over the years, become haven to just about every weirdo and piece of human debris that has washed up on the shores of SEA.
Visiting Patts for brief periods can be a bit of fun, and the prices are cheaper than BKK, and you can see an interesting cross-section of humanity. But living there every day? <shudder .
Read a few of the online Pattaya-based news sites and be regaled by stories of fucked-up Eurotrash jumping out of windows, child molesters, desperate guys ripping off hookers, you get the picture.
I'm not suggesting that any member of this August board fits that profile. But, overall, the demographics of the long-term Pattaya residents skews sharply to the low end of the scale.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1639191]It's well known that Thailand has been a top world tourist destination for many years now. And that inspite of all the political, natural & other disasters it has continually faced. The Koh Tao murders being one of the most recent.
The year 2014, of course, is a slow year for tourism due to the protests, curfews, the high season being a low season & so forth. The trend in the past decade or two is when such things occur the rate of tourism slows a bit or levels for a while. Then a few months later it starts to skyrocket again.
Therefore 2014 has been an excellent year for the hobby, as evidenced by ISG reports. Fewer tourists always means less guys competing for the hotter ladies & the providing of better attitudes and services. I expect periods like this to continue in Siam for years to come because history repeats itself & the leopard can't remove its spots.
I'm from Canada where 200 to 300 dollars is a quite common price range for independents. Compare that to Thailand at around 7 to 10 times less than that or 1000 baht. Moreover Canada is about to make the buying of sex illegal & a criminal offence. So Asia is sounding better all the time![/QUOTE]Um, you are not familiar with the Thai pricing model? Less business, raise the prices!
Tourism could be down as much as 20% or more this year and methinks folks are really turned off to Thailand at the moment for many reasons. The teflon has worn off.
Maybe Pattaya is different, but in BKK there are fewer and fewer gals. And what you pay in Canada really means nothing here.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;1639281]And you won't be disappointed. Goat is a cool guy to hang with. Hey, change that gawd-awful one-step-up-from-moonshine JD to a fine single malt, and I'll join the both of you. :)[/QUOTE]Would be my pleasure. Got a great place with craft beer and good whisky at great prices here as well. Was great having beers with Phord some months ago!
[QUOTE=TesterTester;1639152]Goat, what are the "unsavory demographics" in Pattaya? I haven't been there for years. Always have short trips, so only explore BKK for about 5 years now.[/QUOTE]Well, it has become overrun with Russians for one.
My most recent visit to Pattaya (a year ago) there was an abundance of normal tourists led by a flag waving captain. Also there was the usual bag of Russians, Indians, Persians, and Pakis.
The only thing that threw me off was if a Thai girl was freelancing or a tourist. Could I invoke the rule of thumb the pretty girls were tourists and the ugly ones "on the clock"?
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1639287]Um, you are not familiar with the Thai pricing model? Less business, raise the prices!
Tourism could be down as much as 20% or more this year and methinks folks are really turned off to Thailand at the moment for many reasons. The teflon has worn off.
Maybe Pattaya is different, but in BKK there are fewer and fewer gals. And what you pay in Canada really means nothing here.[/QUOTE]I've read that hotel prices are less in the low season, though mine stays constant year round. As for girls, I've had no problem sticking to the basic 1000 baht street walker price at any time in the past 7 years. If gogos up their rates in the low season, I've never heard of it.
People have been predicting the demise of Thai tourism for years, but it just keeps booming. As they say, sex sells. Some 40 percent of visitors are repeats in LOS, compared to Vietnam at 6 percent, no foreigner boom boom industry to speak of & Westernization 2 decades behind the Kingdom.
Fewer girls? Haven't noticed, as I only go to one place. To my observations the Nana Parking Lot vicinity seems to have remained much the same in numbers through the past 7 years, in spite of reports of constant LE raids.
As previously mentioned, the quality of looks is relatively high there of late with lots of new young blood. Perhaps less appealing to those who like curvy females, who are excessively fat to my tastes, but perfect for members such as Opebo & I who prefer them in the range of slim to anorexic.
What I pay in Canada means I'm making a huge savings by purchasing sex here in BKK instead. It's like buying a no name product of way better quality for 10 times less than a branded one. Just brilliant shopping.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1639355]I've read that hotel prices are less in the low season, though mine stays constant year round. As for girls, I've had no problem sticking to the basic 1000 baht street walker price at any time in the past 7 years. If gogos up their rates in the low season, I've never heard of it.
People have been predicting the demise of Thai tourism for years, but it just keeps booming. As they say, sex sells. Some 40 percent of visitors are repeats in LOS, compared to Vietnam at 6 percent, no foreigner boom boom industry to speak of & Westernization 2 decades behind the Kingdom.
Fewer girls? Haven't noticed, as I only go to one place. To my observations the Nana Parking Lot vicinity seems to have remained much the same in numbers through the past 7 years, in spite of reports of constant LE raids.
As previously mentioned, the quality of looks is relatively high there of late with lots of new young blood. Perhaps less appealing to those who like curvy females, who are excessively fat to my tastes, but perfect for members such as Opebo & I who prefer them in the range of slim to anorexic.
What I pay in Canada means I'm making a huge savings by purchasing sex here in BKK instead. It's like buying a no name product of way better quality for 10 times less than a branded one. Just brilliant shopping.[/QUOTE]Yea, I really don't like "bone racks" as my friends who likes very thin girls calls them.
Tourism has not "boomed" in over 12 months. Methinks they might finally have done some damage to the golden goose.
The vast majority of tourists are not here for sex. They are here for a cheap beach holiday. That is why incidents like Koh Tao have such a huge effect. And believe it or not many folks are very turned off by a military government.
With you on the 1 k. That is all I would pay a street gal as well.
But, as I said the pickins' are slim.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1639355]Fewer girls? Haven't noticed, as I only go to one place. To my observations the Nana Parking Lot vicinity seems to have remained much the same in numbers through the past 7 years, in spite of reports of constant LE raids.[/QUOTE]My memories of Nana Parking were a bit before that. Back in the "good old days" at 2 am when the Plaza would close, hundreds of gals would come streaming out after work. 90% of them were looking for work. You could stand at the exit or across the street in the lot and scads of gals would come up and ask, "Go with you?" It was like shooting fish in a barrel. Literally hundreds of girls. And everyone of them was happy with 1 k baht.
Of course now GoGo gals make so much they are no interested in a trick after work anymore.
Shame.
I went to Nana and in most the bars I found older (30's) girls with flabby post-preggo tummies and too much make-up. It was difficult to find a 20 year old cutie.
I wasn't too attracted to the the majority of these girls. Not only were the looks not my style (for money, if it were free; ok). And the attitudes were a little intimidating.
Where have you found a more relaxed place where you can just point out one girl and have a chat first with out hordes of girls rubbing up?
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1639417]Tourism has not "boomed" in over 12 months. Methinks they might finally have done some damage to the golden goose.
The vast majority of tourists are not here for sex. They are here for a cheap beach holiday. That is why incidents like Koh Tao have such a huge effect. And believe it or not many folks are very turned off by a military government.[/QUOTE]Was told today Nana Hotel is up from 40 to 70 percent occupancy & increasing daily. The high season in the next several months may indicate whether or not things will start booming again. An election could help. If tourism don't recover then the quality mongering should remain relatively high.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1639444]My memories of Nana Parking were a bit before that. Back in the "good old days" at 2 am when the Plaza would close, hundreds of gals would come streaming out after work. 90% of them were looking for work. You could stand at the exit or across the street in the lot and scads of gals would come up and ask, "Go with you?" It was like shooting fish in a barrel. Literally hundreds of girls. And everyone of them was happy with 1 k baht.
Of course now GoGo gals make so much they are no interested in a trick after work anymore.
Shame.[/QUOTE]Gogo girls probably don't won't want to hand over 1000 baht to LE raiding the street girls. Or the shame involved in that or being carted off to the station. Though many of them are open to a safe discreet hookup outside of their working hours. Others don't want to be seen with non Japanese customers.
Therefore many ladies of the street have moved to other areas of the business, like freelance restaurants, night clubs, gentleman's venues, massage & coffee shops.
Sex trade workers also have other options that weren't available or popular a decade or two ago. Online escorting, dating sites, craigslist, coyote girls & the list goes on.
Then there's the more lucrative work in other parts of the world, most of which you can find TGs in, whether it's Singapore, Japan, Germany or the Middle East.
Also as a recent post mentioned, a lot of PFP TGs, often homely lookers like you see the photo thread chock full of, are scooped up by foreigners as wives, mistresses, GFs, house keepers, sugar babys & sponsored ladies.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1639417]Yea, I really don't like "bone racks" as my friends who likes very thin girls calls them.
Tourism has not "boomed" in over 12 months. Methinks they might finally have done some damage to the golden goose.
The vast majority of tourists are not here for sex. They are here for a cheap beach holiday. That is why incidents like Koh Tao have such a huge effect. And believe it or not many folks are very turned off by a military government.
With you on the 1 k. That is all I would pay a street gal as well.
But, as I said the pickins' are slim.[/QUOTE]I could not agree with the comment about they are there for a cheap holiday and not sex. That statement is even more true for Pattaya. So many guys here brought there girlfriend and husbands brought their wives.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1639191]It's well known that Thailand has been a top world tourist destination for many years now. And that inspite of all the political, natural & other disasters it has continually faced. The Koh Tao murders being one of the most recent.
The year 2014, of course, is a slow year for tourism due to the protests, curfews, the high season being a low season & so forth. The trend in the past decade or two is when such things occur the rate of tourism slows a bit or levels for a while. Then a few months later it starts to skyrocket again.
Therefore 2014 has been an excellent year for the hobby, as evidenced by ISG reports. Fewer tourists always means less guys competing for the hotter ladies & the providing of better attitudes and services. I expect periods like this to continue in Siam for years to come because history repeats itself & the leopard can't remove its spots.
I'm from Canada where 200 to 300 dollars is a quite common price range for independents. Compare that to Thailand at around 7 to 10 times less than that or 1000 baht. Moreover Canada is about to make the buying of sex illegal & a criminal offence. So Asia is sounding better all the time![/QUOTE]Pink where in Canada are you living? I can drive up to vancouver and enjoy a 45 minute FS session for 150 canadian dollars with a sweet chinese girl, in many of the massage parlors. This is why I don't use the independents for my pooning needs in ca. If you need more info to partake at this price range just look at PERB ca for reports. I've been making the journey for many years from the greater seattle area.
Hope this helps, happy pooning, LAT.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1639457]Was told today Nana Hotel is up from 40 to 70 percent occupancy & increasing daily. The high season in the next several months may indicate whether or not things will start booming again. An election could help. If tourism don't recover then the quality mongering should remain relatively high.[/QUOTE]Don't count on an election till 2016. Gen Prayuth has already indicated that might be the case.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1639466]Gogo girls probably don't won't want to hand over 1000 baht to LE raiding the street girls. Or the shame involved in that or being carted off to the station. Though many of them are open to a safe discreet hookup outside of their working hours. Others don't want to be seen with non Japanese customers.
Therefore many ladies of the street have moved to other areas of the business, like freelance restaurants, night clubs, gentleman's venues, massage & coffee shops.
Sex trade workers also have other options that weren't available or popular a decade or two ago. Online escorting, dating sites, craigslist, coyote girls & the list goes on.
Then there's the more lucrative work in other parts of the world, most of which you can find TGs in, whether it's Singapore, Japan, Germany or the Middle East.
Also as a recent post mentioned, a lot of PFP TGs, often homely lookers like you see the photo thread chock full of, are scooped up by foreigners as wives, mistresses, GFs, house keepers, sugar babys & sponsored ladies.[/QUOTE]All quite true. But the main reason is that there are far more economic opportunities outside of the P4 P industry. A gal can actually make a living in a restaurant or store where she could not 10 years ago. Given the choice of working a "legit" job for a living wage or in the P4 P industry for considerably more money, most women will choose the former. So then you end up with a scene like you have in most developed nations. You have a high end and low end and very little in the middle. I think this is where the scene in LOS is headed. And faster than we would all like.
[QUOTE=EastonWest;1639447]I went to Nana and in most the bars I found older (30's) girls with flabby post-preggo tummies and too much make-up. It was difficult to find a 20 year old cutie.
I wasn't too attracted to the the majority of these girls. Not only were the looks not my style (for money, if it were free; ok). And the attitudes were a little intimidating.
Where have you found a more relaxed place where you can just point out one girl and have a chat first with out hordes of girls rubbing up?[/QUOTE]As Pink points out, lookers in the P4 P industry are not in GoGos any more. Many are working their own game on the net. Real lookers are able to snag Thai sugar daddies.
What's left? The lazy, fat, old, or just plain dumb.
Thermae used to be that type of place. Of course at Soapies you can call the gal out of the bowl and have a drink with her if you want. But I don't think that is what you are eluding to.
[QUOTE=TomSf;1639668]I could not agree with the comment about they are there for a cheap holiday and not sex. That statement is even more true for Pattaya. So many guys here brought there girlfriend and husbands brought their wives.[/QUOTE]The plan for Pattaya is a cheap family beach holiday location. I would imagine that the sex trade there will be eliminated slowly. They won't "crackdown" or close most bars, it will just become harder and harder to make a profit with a bar. Beach Rd will certainly be cleaned up. There will always be the "bars" on Walking Street but they will be more of a novelty; think the "naughty places" on Bourbon St in NO.
Its just development.
[QUOTE=LuvAsianTang;1639766]Pink where in Canada are you living? I can drive up to vancouver and enjoy a 45 minute FS session for 150 canadian dollars with a sweet chinese girl, in many of the massage parlors. This is why I don't use the independents for my pooning needs in ca. If you need more info to partake at this price range just look at PERB ca for reports. I've been making the journey for many years from the greater seattle area.
Hope this helps, happy pooning, LAT.[/QUOTE]I seem to recall PERB saying AMP ladies tend to be older. In Pattaya you can get a street walker for about 10 times less than what you pay in Canada. But, then, the airfare would be pricey & the trip much longer. To make it worthwhile cost wise you'd need to stay for at least a week, I suppose.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1638961]If you're coming from a fundamentalist sex-for-sale desert like Saudi Arabia or USA, Bangkok scene will look great. However, if you're from a non-stuck-up place with a passable PFP scene like Germany or Russia, I doubt Bangkok would impress. Scene seems larger (due to venues being more visible), prices can be lower (though not by much, especially if you count flights / hotel), and service is indeed still better (albeit inconsistent, and without stellar GFE which used to be the main draw). On the other hand, in the Frankfurt RLD or Moscow dosug ads, far better looks and more diversity can be found.
You can see the difference in perspective right here when some mongers talk about seeing superstars or lookalikes of Thai office girls in Nana Parking Lot, while to those familiar with Thailand they're obviously in the bottom 30% of Thai females by looks. [/QUOTE]I'm from "passable" Canada, but Thailand is in another league of the elite mongering destinations. Germany & PI are of the most popular in the world as well for sex tourism, though Russia seldom gets a mention. I'm not familiar with Saudi Arabia, but assume it's bottom of the barrel like the USA.
The bottom 30 percent of female Thais in looks? First place I'd look is where you can find the over 50 crowd. In the Nana PFP scene Beergarden or Annies would be one of my first stops or some bars not far from NEP.
NPL actually gets some of those "office girls" working there. They don't make much money & if an emergency need ever arose, or just the desire for the latest electronic device or brand name clothes, an attractive gal can pull 150 K per month on the street.
For fresh sweet young faces coming from the North the NPL is famous & the easiest place for a gal looking for some dough to make quick hookups. Ditto for the punter.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1638783]What's a superstar to you? You could define it in many words. Or use a picture which is said to be worth 1000.
OTOH from recent pics from gogos in this thread, almost without exception I wouldn't be doing them for free, let alone 2000 + 600 baht plus.
Some people just need to get out more. Especially on a Friday night, low season, or when it's time to pay loom.[/QUOTE]It is an endless and impossible debate. Everyone has different tastes in women. If these girls are Superstars to you that is great. I don't see it. I live here. On soi 4. I see these girls every day. I also see that they often do 5-10 tricks a day. I have seen most of them over a number of years. The same faces. The same body. But aging rapidly. There have been so few new girls in the street game that nearly every girl you see out there has been in this trade for years. Every now and then a new young girl will show up. And generally disappear within a few days once she sees what the scene is. Its not just the cops harassing them, the low wage (relative to what girls in other venues get) but it is also the customers. Groups of Indians and Arabs. Who surround them with offers of 1000 baht to do all of them. As every one is saying the freelancer scene is drying up fast. People say moved to the Internet. Please tell me where. But the street scene is a shadow of what it was 5 years ago. And a shadow of a shadow of what it was 10 years ago. I am not talking about quality as that is subjective but the numbers are drastically lower. But at the end of the day you are having a great time and that is all that matters.
I started reading the Bangkok forum nearly 12 years ago. It was the stuff of fantasy. Beautiful loving Thai girls that threw themselves at you for almost no money. Wild times. Etcetera, etcetera. I could only afford US and Mexican destinations, so I dreamed of Bangkok for another day. Now that I finally made the journey, I'm pretty unimpressed. The bars have mostly unattractive girls. Hottie freelancers and escorts are pretty close to US prices and US attitude. I was quoted 3k baht from a hottie freelancer at Climax last night and the internet escorts are in the 4k-9k baht range. I got a soapie at Annies that set me back 2500 baht for mostly 3 g service.
Everyone from the girls to the taxi drivers to the waiters seem to be involved in some sort of tourist shakedown.
The winners in this game seem to fall into two categories:
(1) Young superstuds who are bagging approximately the same quality girls that they would get in the US.
(2) Resident expats. I saw some older gentleman (probably from this board) with some STUNNING young Thai girlfriends. These were women that they had clearly spent time finding and cultivating. Also, I'm betting a lot of these gentlemen spoke Thai.
I didn't see many short time tourists doing very well in terms of quality either in Bangkok or Pattaya. The only 9's and 10's that gave me the time of day were ladyboys. Given the cost of coming out here, I think Tijuana is a much better mongering destination.
[QUOTE=DRRonin;1639791]It is an endless and impossible debate. Everyone has different tastes in women. If these girls are Superstars to you that is great. I don't see it. I live here. On soi 4. I see these girls every day. I also see that they often do 5-10 tricks a day. I have seen most of them over a number of years. The same faces. The same body. But aging rapidly. There have been so few new girls in the street game that nearly every girl you see out there has been in this trade for years. Every now and then a new young girl will show up. And generally disappear within a few days once she sees what the scene is. Its not just the cops harassing them, the low wage (relative to what girls in other venues get) but it is also the customers. Groups of Indians and Arabs. Who surround them with offers of 1000 baht to do all of them. As every one is saying the freelancer scene is drying up fast. People say moved to the Internet. Please tell me where. But the street scene is a shadow of what it was 5 years ago. And a shadow of a shadow of what it was 10 years ago. I am not talking about quality as that is subjective but the numbers are drastically lower. But at the end of the day you are having a great time and that is all that matters.[/QUOTE]That's a pretty bleak picture you paint. I wonder how balanced, objective or factual it is. I've lived in BKK half of every year for the past 7 within 50 yards of this scene & hobbies almost exclusively on the street at or near the NPL. I have nothing to gain by not telling it like it is, though there has been at least one poster here who was clearly promoting Rainbow gogos, trashing the street scene & may have been receiving some kickbacks for it.
In 7 years I recall only one time I've seen what may have been an Indian or Arab taking or talking to a NEP street worker. In hundreds of sessions I don't recall a girl ever mentioning those two nationalities, except a few times speaking about them in unfavorable ways. Nor do they tend to stay at the Nana Hotel.
Following is a youtube clip from 10 months ago. If a guy can't see several girls there who are at least a 7, one of us may need to make an appointment with an eye care professional.
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mB06h-VyvA[/URL]
In the past two months I've been out at night about 20 times and only seen two of those girls filmed above on December 30,2013. Most of the ladies I've seen out there recently I've never seen before, so to my thinking there's a lot of new ones.
Re numbers of girls, within the past few months they began to be forbidden or discouraged from being on the parking lot itself, which may give an impression that numbers are down, but there are more lining the street between the 2 seven eleven stores. Also more out in the daytime than 5 years ago to avoid nightime LE raids.
With the Nana Hotel not having an open disco or night club at this time, any freelancers who were working there will have had to hit the streets or go elsewhere.
The recent posts by old and new members paint a very grim picture of Bangkok. I live in UK and made my first trip to Bangkok this year. There seems to be a lot of comparison with what happened in the good old days. I understand that for those living in BKK that is greatly relevant. But for a large number of us who travel for periods to Thailand is that really of any importance? What I compare is my mongering experience in the UK and that in BKK today.
In the UK I would easily pay £150 for a 1 hour session. Now that is Baht 7500. In Bangkok, for 6000 baht I had a girl stay with me for 2 full days, day and night. Off course there was money spent on food etc but it was not excessive, so maybe a little more than my cost of a one hour session. To have a girl spend 2 full days with me in the UK would cost at least £2000 and the food etc on top of that!
Plus, there is the experience of being able to walk into a MP, or watching a show in a gogo or even picking out the girls in a FL club. I greatly enjoy going to a place like Climax, looking around and picking out the girl that I would go back with! Yes, if one compared to the stories of many years ago when the girls were probably throwing themselves over the mongers, then the scene is depressing, as that is not happening any more and you actually have to have a little game to get the good ones. But for me, fortunately or unfortunately I did not experience the good old days, so I only compare my experience in the UK and BKK right now!
I did do the math and realised that once you add the cost of the hotel, then the price per session is actually almost what you pay in the UK. Howevwer, that session is much much longer in BKK (ie an overnight) as compared to the hour in the UK and the fun is lot more.
Maybe in a few years things will change even more and then it would not be worth travelling to BKK. For me right now, it is still a great place and I will be back next year!
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1639191]
The year 2014, of course, is a slow year for tourism due to the protests, curfews, the high season being a low season & so forth. The trend in the past decade or two is when such things occur the rate of tourism slows a bit or levels for a while. Then a few months later it starts to skyrocket again.
[/QUOTE]That must be why there seemed to be so few guests when I recently stayed in some Hotels, and huge Hotel rooms with upgrade available for low prices. I don't see the tourism skyrocketing at all. I do see a lot more Chinese tourists in the mix though.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1639854]That must be why there seemed to be so few guests when I recently stayed in some Hotels, and huge Hotel rooms with upgrade available for low prices. I don't see the tourism skyrocketing at all. I do see a lot more Chinese tourists in the mix though.[/QUOTE]I have tried a couple of hotels in Bangkok. I prefer the three and four star ones. Not sure if the ongoing political problems is affecting this.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1639854]That must be why there seemed to be so few guests when I recently stayed in some Hotels, and huge Hotel rooms with upgrade available for low prices. I don't see the tourism skyrocketing at all. I do see a lot more Chinese tourists in the mix though.[/QUOTE]In recent times the Chinese numbers have been shooting up & are by far easily the largest of any nationality, according to the following:
[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Thailand[/URL]
In the top 20 countries category quite a few have at least doubled their numbers since 2006.
Every Western or English speaking country in the top 20 has seen increases since 2006, in almost every case very large ones. Likewise for the rest of the group.
[QUOTE=Commonglass;1639804]I started reading the Bangkok forum nearly 12 years ago. It was the stuff of fantasy. Beautiful loving Thai girls that threw themselves at you for almost no money. Wild times. Etcetera, etcetera. I could only afford US and Mexican destinations, so I dreamed of Bangkok for another day. Now that I finally made the journey, I'm pretty unimpressed. The bars have mostly unattractive girls. Hottie freelancers and escorts are pretty close to US prices and US attitude.
Given the cost of coming out here, I think Tijuana is a much better mongering destination.[/QUOTE]Never been to Tijuana, so I can't comment on that. But my experience of coming to Thailand regularly (5-6 times per year for 10 years) is that the BKK 'tourist' scene is becoming more expensive and less fun, for all the reasons discussed regularly. Having said that, I have a long-time GF in BKK, so I don't get too sample the delights too often.
Conversely in Pattaya it is very much a buyers market at the moment. There are some delightful young girls that will throw themselves at you for almost no money. Last trip I met a girl and ended up staying with her more days than planned, because she was so good. And I probably overpaid her by paying 1500 baht per day, plus meals, trips, etc. , which is less than 30 for 24 hours company.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1639854]That must be why there seemed to be so few guests when I recently stayed in some Hotels, and huge Hotel rooms with upgrade available for low prices. I don't see the tourism skyrocketing at all. I do see a lot more Chinese tourists in the mix though.[/QUOTE]Yep. During the protests last year and into this year occupancy rates in BKK were abysmal. Some of the well know luxury hotels that usually operate at close to 100% during the high season were running about 30%. Things have improved since the end of the protests but have not recovered. This high season will be better, but not a banner year.
Lots of Chinese though. Mainly package tourists although some couples and families. The package folks are a pain in the ass. CNX is overrun with them. But the families and couples that can afford to stay in the better hotels have been well mannered in my experience.
Guys,
Had much success in and around these areas and was wondering about whether all the little beers bars in the square are still operational or bleak on inventory? Stayed at Legacy Suites and thinking that closer to NEP would be better as I enjoyed On8 stay as well. Any updates on where to procure the following:
-Military cut barber? Tried Friends before but not a good skin fade.
-Good day Oilie to pull for pool party at hotel.
-Spa or out call for manscaping.
-Does Honey on Soi 22 offer out call?
-What happened to Sazanka salt massage place?
Thanks!
Over Ten years ago I came on this board and there were many standouts that gave great information as to what to do and where to go. The one standout to me was a teacher from Canada who I think lived here for over 20 years who reported about things he experienced in Thailand regarding Thai people. Many of his post were negative so negative that some board members had the influence to get him banned. The one thing that has always stuck in my mind he said to me was if one can stay away from being entrenched into Thai society he will do fine here? People come here for many reasons and a large % of visitors and expats would never experience the things he has and I never imagine I would overtake him in such a short time? I have been told by many people Thais and falangs my life experience here must be like 1%? Never heard shit like this?
Although, we have our personal differences I do have admiration for him after all these years living in Pattaya he is still able to enjoy the fruits of what Thailand has to offer especially in Pattaya. If anyone ever want to know how to live in Thailand and not be entrenched into the Thai culture and just enjoy their life in retirement they should contact him. But doing that is not easy in Pattaya, certainly not as easy as following the yellow brick road to see the wizard in OZ? When you are the King of Jomtien living in a Penthouse overlooking the the beach with a 180 degree view. We can all wish to be as lucky? The best you can hope is if you are down on W. S. And see a guy order that god awful drink John Daniels ask him if he is the King?
I have not lived in many places all I can tell everyone is what I have experienced in Thailand particularly in Pattaya as a Asian American born and raised in the States. While growing up I've experience lots of discrimination never in my imagination I thought I would experience the discrimination and prejudice I have experience here. It should be noted that I have met and been told by other Expat living up North that Pattaya is in no way a indication as to what Thailand is all about. I've been told I'm more Thai than some Thais and I've been told by some Thai women " I want you to be 100% Thai ".
To be continue.
Thinking of gong to Thailand next spring. How difficult is it to get a threesome going. Is there a great risk of being duped into sex with minors. I am a very poor judge of age with Asian women. Has anyone hooked up with Japanese girls in Thailand.
[QUOTE=Commonglass;1639804]I started reading the Bangkok forum nearly 12 years ago. It was the stuff of fantasy. Beautiful loving Thai girls that threw themselves at you for almost no money. Wild times. Etcetera, etcetera. I could only afford US and Mexican destinations, so I dreamed of Bangkok for another day. Now that I finally made the journey, I'm pretty unimpressed. The bars have mostly unattractive girls. Hottie freelancers and escorts are pretty close to US prices and US attitude. I was quoted 3k baht from a hottie freelancer at Climax last night and the internet escorts are in the 4k-9k baht range. I got a soapie at Annies that set me back 2500 baht for mostly 3 g service.
Everyone from the girls to the taxi drivers to the waiters seem to be involved in some sort of tourist shakedown.
The winners in this game seem to fall into two categories:
(1) Young superstuds who are bagging approximately the same quality girls that they would get in the US.
(2) Resident expats. I saw some older gentleman (probably from this board) with some STUNNING young Thai girlfriends. These were women that they had clearly spent time finding and cultivating. Also, I'm betting a lot of these gentlemen spoke Thai.
I didn't see many short time tourists doing very well in terms of quality either in Bangkok or Pattaya. The only 9's and 10's that gave me the time of day were ladyboys. Given the cost of coming out here, I think Tijuana is a much better mongering destination.[/QUOTE]Try a good soapie like Nataree or Amsterdam or one of the oilies reported on here and you might change your mind. Short term sex tourists probably will never score a beautiful short-time girlfriend, but you can have short-term sex with a beautiful girl if you go to the right places. Don't look for love, look for lust.
[QUOTE=LuvAsianTang;1639766] I can drive up to vancouver and enjoy a 45 minute FS session for 150 canadian dollars with a sweet chinese girl, in many of the massage parlors.[/QUOTE]Enjoy it while it lasts, The Canadian parliament in Ottawa just recently passed an anti p4 p law similar to Sweden where male customers will be arrested and prosecuted. This law will be in effect as of December 1st,2014. Religious zealots and liberal feminists do indeed have something in common: Busting our balls.
If you want some Kao Pao luvin, I am afraid BKK is the only place available in terms of safety, convenience and affordability. At least in our lifetimes.
[QUOTE=Fuddzie;1639932]Thinking of gong to Thailand next spring. Is there a great risk of being duped into sex with minors. I am a very poor judge of age with Asian women. Has anyone hooked up with Japanese girls in Thailand.[/QUOTE]There are occasional reports of under-age girls working in certain bars. If in doubt, check their ID card. Better still, check their ID card anyway. Not something you would want to get wrong.
Japanese girls? Why would you expect to find them in Thailand? Unless they are on holiday with the boyfriends / family. Loads of Thai girls try and make themselves look Japanese. Would that do for you?
Continued.
I remember another thing by the Canadian Teacher that using the word " Backward " as to how Thais think was being kind to them. I was not born yesterday did lots of bad things back home and did some time for it but always was able to right myself. Living here has brought the worse out in me like everyone I came saying this is not my country and I'm not here to look for trouble but here trouble always seem to come my way even though I've tried to forget and forgive the past and move on. As they say "just when I was out they pull me back in?" I've had money stolen by people close to me, had my life threaten a number of times, been in a confrontation with a motorbike taxi driver, been chased down a Soi by a Thai driver while on my motorbike going near 100 KM / H, and a few years back sneak attacked by a Thai with a butcher knife while I had my back turn and cut me in the forehead and came within a quarter inch of ending my life? What I have found in many of these confrontation is once they find out I am falang they become enraged as if this was a war between Thailand and the USA? I don't know how often I've been told they are Mafia and act and talk as if they were experts in Muay Thai boxing? It's as if they have been watching too many soaps and fighting movies? I say to myself each time if they were Mafia how is it that they live in a tin can shack and how do they pay for the fighting lesson. But whenever my life and my family is threaten where I come from I do the research and I strike before they strike me. I tried to go straight and use the court system only to be told by my lawyers " you are wasting your time and money, with your family ties to the Hong Kong Triads basically do it the old fashion way so I have and what amaze me is the look on their face how can a foreigner do such a bad thing to them while it is okay For a Thai. There certainly is a double standard here more ways that just being charge double for something. I've even been kicked out of a Thai temple because I told the monk what I've done and what I plan for some others for revenge. I ask him before I left " why is it okay For a Thai to do and be forgiven but not me? ".
Now I've concluded this is my life here and how I have to do things and when it is time because sooner or later my luck and my nine lives are going to run out and have accepted my destiny and that is I will die a violent death here. I go to sleep each night and wake up hoping that I don't hate all Thais because I don't and don't want my son to think that I do? So far so good but what helps me to stay here in Pattaya and leave my problems behind is the girls. Like mentioned. Living here and not visiting you have time and that time allows you to find whatever you want at whatever price you are willing to pay regardless if the price is going up and up? There is food, not the best, but at everyone's budget. Posters say the girls are fat, ugly, etc. That is because when you set your mind on fining something you never can but when you have time they find you when you aren't looking. So much pussy that there is just not enough time or money?
I have coffee each morning with a bunch of Expats from all over the world, sure there are many problems in the USA I know I was burned by the system. I feel the same before I came to Thailand, I've learn how they think and how they do things it is worse than the USA And I've been humble by the experience and have come away with a greater appreciation of the USA Even though it is not perfect and it is because I'm not here for a holiday and see and have been entrenched into their culture and it is not pretty at all. I wish I didn't feel that way but I do. Recently I met a guy from Kurwit? Through one of his BF girls who I knew. He said he felt sorry for me being a American, without starting starting a verbal fight I was thinking? This fucking prick was here fucking women as a Muslim or what because America save his ass from Saddam? I be-t-h like many expats but I benefit from it all because if the Thais actually knew or wanted to fix the problems I would not be able to enjoy the exchange rates and live here.
Many talk about the changes. Higher standard of living. Less girls because of this. I do not agree as long as their education system is the way it is and turn out useless males the girls will continue to come and come they do because living here you see the girls come and go new meat constantly but none of you two week holiday people see it. You come want it now because you just don't have the time or patients and when you look you don't find it and disappointed saying Pattaya is going downhill etc. Etc. Fat and ugly like Pattaya has a patent of this and not Bangkok.
Being Asian and living here it is a curse with the girls. I meet them and they are all over LBM, wanting me to be their boyfriend or at my age papa? If I want I could have them line up out the door and with my weakness I take them in all shape and size as long as the sex is good. I no longer have the drive when I was young and that is good because I don't have the time to change my bedsheet each day. The world is changing even in Thailand and Pattaya and yes the prices are going up but as for Pattaya they are trying to make it a family destination but it will happen slowly but hopefully not in my lifetime. But for now it is still one of the best places to live for the money as long as you do not get entrenched?
Enjoy!
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1639970]But for now it is still one of the best places to live for the money as long as you do not get entrenched?
Enjoy![/QUOTE]Right, but why would you want to get "entrenched" in the first place. I have very little to do with local men wherever I travel in SE Asia. I won't get into an argument with taxi drivers, bouncers or anybody else. I remain above the fray. I accept the fact that I am going to pay a farang tax wherever I go and I don't give a shit. I never forget the fact that I am a visitor no matter how long my stay is and I am not Thai. I am here for just one thing, the girls, with great food and a few beautiful island beaches thrown in as a bonus. I am not looking to make friends with the local Thai "Goodfellas" or anybody else. If you are actually worried about your safety, then I think it is a good time to move and give LOS a break for a while. Take a year off in Phnom Penh, Subic, or just travel around SE Asia, then come back to Thailand with a clean slate.
[QUOTE=Fuddzie;1639932]Thinking of gong to Thailand next spring. How difficult is it to get a threesome going.[/QUOTE]It is as easy as showing up at Eden Club and choosing your lovely and asking her to choose a friend.
[QUOTE=Fuddzie;1639932]Is there a great risk of being duped into sex with minors. I am a very poor judge of age with Asian women.[/QUOTE]If anything, most of us Western men will think Asian women are younger than they really are. If you think she is 20, she is probably not a day younger than 25. If in doubt ask to see her I'd.
[QUOTE=Fuddzie;1639932]Thinking of gong to Thailand next spring. How difficult is it to get a threesome going. Is there a great risk of being duped into sex with minors. I am a very poor judge of age with Asian women. Has anyone hooked up with Japanese girls in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Threesomes are easy to arrange in Bangkok. Go to Annie's, Bamboo, Cherry Massage, Dr. BJ's Nuru, Mango, Snow White or Tulip and request two girls. If you prefer, tell them you want the girls to come to your hotel room. All the escort agencies have ladies who do threesomes. Another option is to tell one of the mamsans in a gogo bar you want two girls. However, not all threesomes are the same. If you want bisexual acting girls, make that clear up front, otherwise you may end up with two girls who do little more than take turns fucking and sucking you.
[QUOTE=Mouse1;1639965]There are occasional reports of under-age girls working in certain bars. If in doubt, check their ID card. Better still, check their ID card anyway. Not something you would want to get wrong.
Japanese girls? Why would you expect to find them in Thailand? Unless they are on holiday with the boyfriends / family. Loads of Thai girls try and make themselves look Japanese. Would that do for you?[/QUOTE]Why Japanese. Looks are in the eyes of the beholder, with that said, I think Japanese girls are prettier. Physically, I like their thighs and boobs are nicer. Just my taste.
[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1639975]It is as easy as showing up at Eden Club and choosing your lovely and asking her to choose a friend.
If anything, most of us Western men will think Asian women are younger than they really are. If you think she is 20, she is probably not a day younger than 25. If in doubt ask to see her I'd.[/QUOTE]Thanks, Did think they carried I'd cards.
[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1639978]Threesomes are easy to arrange in Bangkok. Go to Annie's, Bamboo, Cherry Massage, Dr. BJ's Nuru, Mango, Snow White or Tulip and request two girls. If you prefer, tell them you want the girls to come to your hotel room. All the escort agencies have ladies who do threesomes. Another option is to tell one of the mamsans in a gogo bar you want two girls. However, not all threesomes are the same. If you want bisexual acting girls, make that clear up front, otherwise you may end up with two girls who do little more than take turns fucking and sucking you.[/QUOTE]I imagine there is a ground zero. What is the average cost.