Jakarta

Bro,

Would luv to share but I only had the numbers to the modern and jababeka caddies but both numbers are no longer in service. not sure if they are still there but u can ask for Diah at modern and ICha at jababeka. havent played there rcently so cannot verify anything.

But again, there's about 200 caddies in Bogor Raya and in most cases you will get a decent looking one. Dont forget about the no cross selling rule so do ask the caddy master to change the caddy before u start if you dont fancy her. thereon she's ready for nego. Another thing about Bogor, u have to make sure they go back with u coz giving them taxi money will never get u nowhere other than them buying pulsa and sms-ing you giving stupid excuses on why they cant make it to c u.

Do try to play at imperial, superb fairways and fast greens as well as naughty caddies and gorgeous waitress. Try asking Nia or devan for dinner first.

Good luck bro. It's not a sure thing but for some of us, the game of chance is thrilling enuff.

[QUOTE=Funky Man]Bro Mojo,

Do you happen to still recall the names or keep the HP no of the caddies in modern, Bogor, Imperial, Jababeka and Rancamaya? Get invited to play either Bogoraya or Rancamaya next month.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

After reading a few older reports on this board, decided to try my luck one saturday afternoon at Today Country (Tiara Ceria) at Lokasari Plaza.

20RP entry (gets a drink), mamasan immediately comes over "girl, girl" ?

place is incredibly dark (make sure you have a really good look at the girls), as mentioned previously girls are really young (and they look it), offered 17 year old, sorry too young - took 19yo slender Javanese. Probably 20 or 30 girls there at the time.

Had a great time and damage was reasonable = 200 (45min) & 50 (room) & 20 (entry). - LT takeout is available.

(270RP = US $30 ?)

[QUOTE=Smoothy]A tip is not necessary there? This is news to me. I've been going there for almost 10 years now and I've never not left a tip if I received good service. I normally tip 50,000. I've discussed the appropriate amount of a tip there many times with many friends, and 50k seems to be the norm. Maybe we've been overpaying all these years.

I'm curious, who told you a tip is not necessary there? I know a tip is not expected at Delta massage if you get the 500k hot rock treatment and they give you a hand job, but I was always under the impression the 6th floor girls were being tipped. Actually, I give a 50k tip at every *****house in Jakarta. The 6th is not an exception as far as I'm aware.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=XXL]I second that. The reason a tip matters is because girls often (not always, alas) keep all of it. In 6th floor girls only keep half of the money, the rest goes to Maribaya, but they keep all the tip.

Of course, we may have different spending budget but if a monger feels he's unable to leave a reasonable tip for good service in a place, maybe it's time he took his custom to a cheaper place. This doesn't only apply to flesh spots: restaurants also expect tips for good food and service, and it's not a good idea to patronise an expensive restaurant and never leave a tip. One of the reasons I don't patronise top-tier call-girl services in JKT is because if I pay one million for a girl I'm not prepared to add a 100k-200k tip. Seeing the smile on a girl's face when she notices you've added a 50k bill to the agreed price is one of the pleasures of mongering in JKT.[/QUOTE]
Hey, I could be wrong, but my impression had always been that there was no need to tip a girl at Maribaya Spa unless the guy feels that he's gotten tremendous service, because the asked-for fee of 350,000 rupiah is higher than many other places (Kartika, Berlian, Hotel Travel all are 250,000 house fee, Stadium 3rd floor 257,000 house fee). Plus the girls at Maribaya get to keep at least 200,000 rupiah for themselves, as opposed to Kartika and Berlian, where the girls evidently get to keep around 100,000 rupiah for themselves.

And XXL, I'm certainly able to leave a reasonable tip for good service, so that's not the problem.

I have given a tip of 50,000 rupiah a few times for good service at Maribaya. But I've never, ever paid more than the 350,000 rupiah per girl fee whenever I've had a 2-girl session, and no one's ever complained or asked for extra cash (whereas I always give a tip to both girls when I have a 2-girl session at Kartika). I'm fairly well known at Maribaya as a regular customer, and I always have a choice of several girls to choose from whenever I've walked in the door there, and a couple of them send me sms's regularly to ask when I'm coming back again to see them.

Again, I could be wrong, and I certainly don't mind if any guy wants to give a Maribaya girl a 50,000 rupiah tip. But my impression had been that a tip is very much expected at Kartika, Berlian, etc. but not necessarily at Maribaya.

[QUOTE=Smoothy]A tip is not necessary there? This is news to me. I've been going there for almost 10 years now and I've never not left a tip if I received good service. I normally tip 50,000. I've discussed the appropriate amount of a tip there many times with many friends, and 50k seems to be the norm. Maybe we've been overpaying all these years.

I'm curious, who told you a tip is not necessary there? I know a tip is not expected at Delta massage if you get the 500k hot rock treatment and they give you a hand job, but I was always under the impression the 6th floor girls were being tipped. Actually, I give a 50k tip at every *****house in Jakarta. The 6th is not an exception as far as I'm aware.[/QUOTE]

IMHO tips should only ever be given for exceptional or at least very good service. To me, being expected to give a tip is BS - if it's expected then it's not a tip, it's part of the price!

I virtually never tip at the 6th floor (the legendary Lusi was the most regular exception) and have never had any hassle about it. No-one ever told me I didn't need to tip at the Melawai - I just don't tip anywhere and the 6th floor is no exception. The girls hover around obviously expecting a tip, but no one has ever said a word when I don't.

Next time you watch Reservoir Dogs, take note of the great scene where the gangsters debate the ethics of tipping. I agree with the guy who says "why should I tip a waitress, when I don't tip the kid at McDonalds, or the girl on the supermarket check-out etc". In the West, tipping is just a way for rip-off employers to pay lousy wages and make their staff beg from the customers.

There are a thousand reasons by tipping is BS. Won't go into them all, but high tippers are just the same as those who overpay. They spoil the market and create expectations that can lead to unpleasant arguments and tension. And that's a real turn-off. Just pay the price and only tip if you get something really special.

Well I finally made it to the famed jakarta over the weekend and loved the big city. I havent seen a building higher than a coconut tree in close to two years. Anyways here is just what I saw and what I enjoyed...

Friday night, met a friend at The Intercontinental and she took me on to Plaza Indonesia, cool pace and lots to see. We went to Hardrock and was immediately hit with a covercharge which was supposedly my first drink. 75.000 rp expensive coke. I found this bar loud and dark and mainly fulll of locals and not really that friendly.

Decided to move on to the Red Square, Now this was happening, no covercharge and the girls get up on the long benches and bars to dance 90% of the girls where a 8 or above and all there for a good time...

At 2.30 my friend wanted to go home so as I was staying at Blok M decided to go to the famous Topgun. Free entry and I am sorry what a hole. As I walked in I saw my ex who immediately freaked out that I was in Jakarta and ran away down the road... oh well you get that.

So I went inside and it was literally wall to wall with young and older girls just waiting for a ATM Bule to walk in I cruised through and had a look and was accosted by at least 5 different girls when one in particular go my attention. Needless to say we went back to the room and did the do, she gave me some crap story she has only been in Jakarta for six months so didnt know what to charge so I said ok we shall see the service and it was ok... She left at 6.30 and I gave her 300.000 which she then started to cry at and I just was totally over that so got her to leave before I called security. Although Topgun has some nice looking girls just was not my scene.

Saturday
Met the Mighty Spearsman and we went to lunch, I was witha girl who I had been chatting to for a couple of weeks on the net. Good to see the Spear again :) anyways after lunch we went back to my place my friend just dropped her clothes and said she was really wet and wanted to be fucked. Who am I to argue so I kindly obliged the girl. She had to get home by six so left me and didnt ask me for anything apart from the peanuts and choclates in the Minibar, a cheap afternoon...

Saturday night
Went to Pisa Cafe good Italian food, and then when my friends wanted to go home I decided to venture out. First stop BATS. 75.000 coke Got there at about 11 oclock and the girls were all good quality I just sat back and watched for a while and was hassled by and average looking girl who I soon got rid off and then saw an extremely good lookingt girl who said she worked in a boutique. We talked for a while and the I asked why she was at BATS and she said to make money :) I said ok how much and she got really shy and it took about 10 minutes to get a price of 1.5 million for 1 hour. I laughed and said no way she got huffy so I left.

Next stop CJ's. 75.000 coke. Much bigger venue than any I had seen before and many many girls both workers and other. I just sat back in a corner watching when a very cute little one 26 yr old came and chatted to me we talked for an hour and then she had to go.. got her number for next time I am in Jakarta as she is a freebie. Next saw another cute girl who smiled, I smiled and really it went from there although, I was tired so I just got her number for a later time.

All in all, I like Jakarta there is a much bigger range of better girls as has been said many times before, although I did find some of them very aggressive compared to party style Bali....

Would I do it again... Damn yes, hopefully in two weeks

[QUOTE=Mighty Spearsman]But my impression had been that a tip is very much expected at Kartika, Berlian, etc. but not necessarily at Maribaya.[/QUOTE]

I don't know why those places should be any different as far as a tip. The difference is that the Kartika girls are agressive as hell and the Maribaya girls are laid back. The second you walk in the door at a place like Kartika, you're attacked by a flock of very agressive girls grabbing you pressuring you to take them upstairs. At Maribaya, the girls might say "massage?", but that's about it. They won't grab you and hold onto you like a leech continually pressuring you until you push them away and tell them to get lost like you have to at Kartika.

After service at Kartika, the girls then pressure for as big a tip as they can get. It seems to be just a management style. The maribaya management teaches their girls to respect the customer and not complain because repeat business is the most important thing. The Kartika girls are trained to be agressive. I like the laid back approach of Maribaya much better.

I definitely do not tip at Maribaya if the service is bad. However, since I rarely don't get off twice there, the service is normally excellent and I pretty much always tip. Of course they will never complain if you don't tip, the management frowns on them complaining about anything at all there.

[QUOTE=Smoothy] The difference is that the Kartika girls are agressive as hell and the Maribaya girls are laid back. The maribaya management teaches their girls to respect the customer and not complain because repeat business is the most important thing. The Kartika girls are trained to be agressive. I like the laid back approach of Maribaya much better.

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You're dead right Smoothy. This "you're expected to tip" crap only happens when managers won't pay their staff properly and force them to hassle the customers. This creates an unfriendly aggressive atmosphere where the girls have to compete with each other to make a buck. If customers play the managers' game and cave into demands for tips then it stays that way for ever after.

BTW: I've never tipped at the Berlian either. But I have noticed that the pressure to tip has increased in recent years.

[QUOTE=Bali Semut]Saturday night

Went to Pisa Cafe good Italian food, and then when my friends wanted to go home I decided to venture out. First stop BATS. 75.000 coke Got there at about 11 oclock and the girls were all good quality I just sat back and watched for a while and was hassled by and average looking girl who I soon got rid off and then saw an extremely good lookingt girl who said she worked in a boutique. We talked for a while and the I asked why she was at BATS and she said to make money :) I said ok how much and she got really shy and it took about 10 minutes to get a price of 1.5 million for 1 hour. I laughed and said no way she got huffy so I left.

Would I do it again... Damn yes, hopefully in two weeks[/QUOTE]Good on you Mr Bali Semut and welcome to the Capital City ! This 1.5 M Rp quote seems ridiculous. WG's at CJ's usually start their quotes about 600-800k max. Very strange, either she did not dig you at all or she was totally drunk.

[QUOTE=Mangga]You're dead right Smoothy. This "you're expected to tip" crap only happens when managers won't pay their staff properly and force them to hassle the customers. This creates an unfriendly aggressive atmosphere where the girls have to compete with each other to make a buck. If customers play the managers' game and cave into demands for tips then it stays that way for ever after.

BTW: I've never tipped at the Berlian either. But I have noticed that the pressure to tip has increased in recent years.[/QUOTE]I can't believe all the discussion on tipping. It seems to me if you get good service then a tip is in order, if not then don't leave a tip and consider not even paying the normal charge. If rp50k is really going to change your standard of living then maybe you need to consider a new pastime or go to a lower end of the market.

[QUOTE=Mandiri]Good on you Mr Bali Semut and welcome to the Capital City ! This 1.5 M Rp quote seems ridiculous. WG's at CJ's usually start their quotes about 600-800k max. Very strange, either she did not dig you at all or she was totally drunk.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for that Mandiri but it was actually BATS that the girl quoted 1.5 for an hour. Although I did consider it I couldnt bring myself to pay hat much for 60 minutes of fun... not when I could pay 500.000 for an all nighter

[QUOTE=Bali Semut]Thanks for that Mandiri but it was actually BATS that the girl quoted 1.5 for an hour. Although I did consider it I couldnt bring myself to pay hat much for 60 minutes of fun... not when I could pay 500.000 for an all nighter[/QUOTE]You did the absolute right thing, Mr Semut ! Warm thanks for not spoling the market. 1.5 M Rp means 5 chicks at 300k Rp each (going rate at Blok M for an all-nighter chick).

By the way, a friend of mine recently pulled a freebie out of BATS, so no need to pay 500k either !

His (wise and smart) tactics was to have a genuine chat with a BATS chick he fancied in a gentleman-like way (he is a gentleman anyhow), then pick up her digits and over the next following days when he was abroad keep in touch and continue to build the realtionship with her via SMS. The (natural, by JKT standards) outcome was that the chick was ready to spread her legs as soon as he was back in JKT 2 weeks later -- which she did (my friend had a great time and she is now a regular of his FoC). A classic situation in lovely JKT !

I telphoned Kartika the other day to see if my favorite would be there during my upcoming visit to Jakarta. I spoke with the mamasan and asked about 'Tuti' and she said which one, number 25 or 43?

It got me thinking now - how to solve the mystery/identity of the famous 'Cynthia' seeing there are more that one Cythia that works there.

Anyone know her (the origional Cynthia's) number so I can at least have the pleasure of inspection on my next visit?

My friend recently got a freebie at BATS. I decided to get the same and went there the other day.- weekday. And in fact I got 2!

So it is defintily possible to get freebies even at BATS!

I chatted to a a number of chicks between 10pm and about 2am, most of them pro's and a few of them genuine "naughty" chicks on a night out with a friend or several friends. I even got an offer from a WG which I immediately declined, not being into the P4P game last night.

One of my friends chatted with a girl who was there with her girlfriend. Both were having a good time chatting away and exchanging phone numbers. I approached her girlfriend, a beautiful 23 yo, we chatted away also. Then came closing time at 3am. The 4 of us started making our way out and I then suggested "hey let's all go to my hotel room and empty the mini-bar". Off we go in a taxi to my friend's and my hotel. Going up in the lift my friend found an excuse to go to his room with his chick and I with my chick. I had a delightful night with this wonderful girl, 2 shots, BBBJ, very GFE. It was gorgeous. Too bad I had to kick her out in the morning as I was busy with work.

So guys freebies at BATS can be had, it's just a matter of not being desperate, taking one's time and. Having a bit of luck.

Enjoy!

Bebek, I hope when she asked if you wanted 25 or 43, you told the mama you wanted BOTH. :)

The sandwich action at Kartika is the only reason I ever go there. Honestly though, I never even knew they had numbers. I don't go to Kartika often, but when I do, I wait about 20 minutes for my eyes to adjust to the dark then choose the best 2 I can find.

I was in Tiga Puluh last night. and it was empty, maybe because it was a wednesday night and all the girls are in CJ (ladies night) but i heard from the hotel staff that there was a shooting incident that happened recently. Can someone verify.

Also a friend recommended blowfish, it is a restaurant bar, how is the action there ?