Phnom Penh

[QUOTE=Titanio;1353248]If the one opposite Cyrcee is the hairsalon, that is a dump, no clean sheets, very crampy and I walked away from there after 10 minutes. At Sakura I have been a number of times. It is OK with very friendly girls but I can hardly believe that anything more than massage is on offer at Sakura. I just do not believe it.[/QUOTE]I would have said that too, especially with the thin walls. But when I went for the oil massage the girl clearly grabbed my cock a few times and smiled and laughed. She asked me why it didn't "wake up" (I think that's why I didn't get HE). At the end I specifically asked "no massage here?" She took off the towel and gave it like 2-3 tugs then laughed and said "finished!"

[QUOTE=Scorchin1470; 1353445]The Rex Hotel has a fish bowl on the first floor with ladies in blue polos (Cambodian) and pink polos (Vietnamese). At about 2pm there were perhaps 15. 20 girls in the fish bowl.

(50:50 Cambodian / Vietnamese). Massage US$10. 00 in a small room for an hour.

I made a mistake and picked a more mature Cambodian lady who rushed through the massage in 20 minutes with no teasing to encourage further investment and with a towel covering

The 'essential bits'. After the 20 minutes she suggested boom boom at US$ 100. 00 and was palpably unhappy when I reached for my clothes to get dressed. I was happy to 'lose'

US$10. 00 on a short (but quite good for a rushed) massage and get out. By this time little willy had lost all enthusiasm and we concluded with a little more massage.

No doubt boom boom is available here. I hope you pick better ladies who don't ask stupid* prices.

* I don't mind negotiating down from a sensible starting point but I get pissed off when the ladies take the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url].[/QUOTE]Shit like this is why Cambodia sucks for mongering. Unless you take a $10 freelance crack addict grandmother from Walkabout, you're going to get prices like this. Sure they'll usually come down, but WTF. I get FS for less than $100 from gorgeous women in Korea. I sure as fuck ain't paying that in a 3rd world backwater where people split $40 a month rent ten ways.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1353652]Shit like this is why Cambodia sucks for mongering. Unless you take a $10 freelance crack addict grandmother from Walkabout, you're going to get prices like this. Sure they'll usually come down, but WTF. I get FS for less than $100 from gorgeous women in Korea. I sure as fuck ain't paying that in a 3rd world backwater where people split $40 a month rent ten ways.[/QUOTE]Personally I don't know why anybody goes to massage places for sex. The massage in these places is average at best, the sex is usually mediocre, and the cost is relatively expensive for what you get.

Even nearly $100 for a massage and sex with a 'gorgeous Korean woman' sounds expensive to me. Why bother? Why not pay $8 for a really good one hour oil massage in one of Phnom Penh's better massage places, then head for Airforce or another decent hostess bar and take out a beautiful girl for $45-50 short time, including barfine. Total cost $53-58.

And please don't start on the 'mongering in PP costs a fortune' theme. Sure it's not the cheapest place. If you you want cheap go to the Caribbean or Africa etc. But I find the Khmer girls usually friendly, enthusiastic in bed and reasonably priced. Having been in PP eight months now, I far prefer it to Thailand or the Philippines.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100; 1353812]Personally I don't know why anybody goes to massage places for sex. The massage in these places is average at best, the sex is usually mediocre, and the cost is relatively expensive for what you get.

Even nearly $100 for a massage and sex with a 'gorgeous Korean woman' sounds expensive to me. Why bother? Why not pay $8 for a really good one hour oil massage in one of Phnom Penh's better massage places, then head for Airforce or another decent hostess bar and take out a beautiful girl for $45-50 short time, including barfine. Total cost $53-58.[/QUOTE]The bargirl scenario was invented to cater to the Western market where the guy liked to think he was not just having anonymous sex even though he was and thought that he could check out the girl in the bar even though her attitude in the bar could change once they got to his hotel.

The massage scene prevails because certain mongerers like to keep their hobby within a controlled environment and may have an investment in their community which would be harmed if they were seen openly cavorting in a bar and then walking to a hotel or taking a taxi with a girl in tow. THat is why many Thais just do not get the Falang appetite for the girlie bar with take-out.

I used to like the bar scene years ago and I thought that an older gent that I met back then was mad when he told me that he was exclusively a consumer of massages with FS. Now I am that guy. Why? Because I have lived in Asia too long, have gotten older and know most of the conversations and the routine that follows an encounter in a bar. I also have an investment in certain communities in Asia where I work. I do not want to get the reputation of being the tasteless one who drags a trashy P4P girl around with him. So I do the Asian thing of keeping it under wraps. But back in the day when I used to come to Asia for vacation only it was different.

THat said, whenever I get the chance to break out in a city where I don't work and there is no connection that would rat me out, the I happily pick up a freelancer who looks promising I go for it. But most of the time I stick with the massage FS (or an oldfashioned brothel like Sophie / Le Cirque in PP) as it is less obvious what I am doing. I am really tired of the bargirls that overcharge, turn LT into ST, suddenly appear to have the time of the month, suddenly adjust the price / tip upwards, raid the drinks cabinet and cost me a fortune, steal (including hotel stuff which I get charged for) , do the starfish, have a serious odour problem down below, fill me with tales of woe, won't leave when it is all done in the morning and have to be ejected, wear clothes and behave in such a way that the whole hotel knows what I am doing, take phone calls while doing it and much else.

[QUOTE=Simian;1353896]The bargirl scenario was invented to cater to the Western market where the guy liked to think he was not just having anonymous sex even though he was and thought that he could check out the girl in the bar..........[/QUOTE]Excellent post.

You can retain anonanymity by getting the phone number of your favourite bargirl, and phoning her to arrange to come and see you, either in your hotel or in a short time hotel during the day, before she goes to work in her bar. That way you avoid the bar scene and save on the barfine, as well as getting a known quantity in terms of the quality of the sex.

[quote]Personally I don't know why anybody goes to massage places for sex. The massage in these places is average at best, the sex is usually mediocre, and the cost is relatively expensive for what you get.[/quote]I see someone has never been to a Korean Anma, Japanese Soapy, or. Especially. A Macau Spa.

But the point isn't about massages. It's about how fucked Cambodia is for mongering. It doesn't make sense that a haggard old bird with kids and a saggy stretch-marked body who is probably on crack or meth and lives in one of the poorest / lowest cost of living countries in the world where prostitution is right out in the open would ask for MORE money than a 19 year old stunner with a flawless body who probably spends more on her makeup than the aforementioned woman spends on her monthly rent, living in one of the world's most expensive countries, where the prostitution seen is underground.

When massage girls in Phnom Penh want more money than massage girls in New York City, something is amiss bro.

[QUOTE=Simian; 1353896]The bargirl scenario was invented to cater to the Western market where the guy liked to think he was not just having anonymous sex even though he was and thought that he could check out the girl in the bar even though her attitude in the bar could change once they got to his hotel.

THat said, whenever I get the chance to break out in a city where I don't work and there is no connection that would rat me out, the I happily pick up a freelancer who looks promising I go for it. But most of the time I stick with the massage FS (or an oldfashioned brothel like Sophie / Le Cirque in PP) as it is less obvious what I am doing. I am really tired of the bargirls that overcharge, turn LT into ST, suddenly appear to have the time of the month, suddenly adjust the price / tip upwards, raid the drinks cabinet and cost me a fortune, steal (including hotel stuff which I get charged for) , do the starfish, have a serious odour problem down below, fill me with tales of woe, won't leave when it is all done in the morning and have to be ejected, wear clothes and behave in such a way that the whole hotel knows what I am doing, take phone calls while doing it and much else.[/QUOTE]Right on the money guy.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1354072]I see someone has never been to a Korean Anma, Japanese Soapy, or. Especially. A Macau Spa.

But the point isn't about massages. It's about how fucked Cambodia is for mongering. It doesn't make sense that a haggard old bird with kids and a saggy stretch-marked body who is probably on crack or meth and lives in one of the poorest / lowest cost of living countries in the world where prostitution is right out in the open would ask for MORE money than a 19 year old stunner with a flawless body who probably spends more on her makeup than the aforementioned woman spends on her monthly rent, living in one of the world's most expensive countries, where the prostitution seen is underground.

When massage girls in Phnom Penh want more money than massage girls in New York City, something is amiss bro.[/QUOTE]Yawn. Is this tirade ever going to stop? We get that you don't like the sex scene in PP. We get that you can't understand why the girls are asking so much when their rent is so low (even though I explained a more realistic financial picture in a subsequent post).

Yes I should have said that my massage joint commente were based on my Cambodian and Thai experiences, rather than masage places workdwide. I stand corrected.

So choose to monger elsewhere. But there are still thousands of mongers who enjoy the quirky sex scene here in PP. Yes, girls can ask crazy prices, but I laugh and either bargain them down or go somewhere else. There are plenty of bargains to be had in bars, freelance joints, restaurants, riverside, parks, some massage places etc. To each his own.

How about a positive post telling us about a recent mothering experience of yours that you enjoyed?

Here's to years more great mongering.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;1354136]How about a positive post telling us about a recent mothering experience of yours that you enjoyed?[/QUOTE]I've made dozens very recently. Check Tokyo, Seoul, Pattaya, AC, HK, HCMC. None in the PP thread though, because the place is such an absolute shit hole. Sorry.

Why does the discussion go on? Because outside of one or two posters who seem to have some steak in defending the place (probably made the unfortunate choice to live there, or worse still get married to a local and her extensive family) most of the posts come from people complaining about the insane prices and terrible service they're getting. Forgive me for agreeing with them. This place is called INTERNATIONAL sex guide, so people are going to make comparisons and recommendations.

Whenever someone makes a post with an inquiry they rarely get a response. Anything critical is quickly addressed though. WTF. YMMV.

The best part is that I think I might be sent to PP for work in about a month. Ain't that some shit?

[QUOTE=Scorchin1470; 1353008]In Phnom Penh and as I expected after two massages I can say that a HJ is pretty well guaranteed. In one case after a 'balls massage' which rivaled the celebrated Rin in Bangkok.

Damn and after 40 minutes of erotic stimulation, I can't find the place again of Sisowath Quay.[/QUOTE]How about letting us know where you got the massages?

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1354144]I've made dozens very recently. Check Tokyo, Seoul, Pattaya, AC, HK, HCMC. None in the PP thread though, because the place is such an absolute shit hole. Sorry.

The best part is that I think I might be sent to PP for work in about a month. Ain't that some shit?[/QUOTE]Apologies Rick, I only read the PP forum, so missed your other posts.

Send me a PM if / when you arrive in PP and want to go out and hopefully have a better experience than you've had so far!

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1354144]in the PP thread though, because the place is such an absolute shit hole. Sorry.

The best part is that I think I might be sent to PP for work in about a month. Ain't that some shit? [/QUOTE]I hope that you spend time if you get sent to work there to find a little more time for research to get a more rationale view of an excellent mongering place.

You are h=just based because you have failed there.

I've never been to Cambodia but have the chance to spend a few days either side of Christmas baby-sitting the offce in PP. Workwise, I t should be a doddle but wondering if the city will be a ghost town or in full-on party mode?

LOL. The only thing I failed at was getting some sleep or crossing a street without risking my life and jumping over raw sewage in the gutter bro. Oh and finding women who weren't batshit insane. Sorry but after women at several different bars quote you insane prices you just don't feel much like mongering anymore. I'd like to find some more handjob shops just to hold me over until I can get out of there. Any tips on that would be sweet.