Phnom Penh

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1354498]LOL. The only thing I failed at was getting some sleep or crossing a street without risking my life and jumping over raw sewage in the gutter bro. Oh and finding women who weren't batshit insane. Sorry but after women at several different bars quote you insane prices you just don't feel much like mongering anymore. I'd like to find some more handjob shops just to hold me over until I can get out of there. Any tips on that would be sweet.[/QUOTE]So sorry to hear about all this negativeness of your stay here. Its my third visit but truly only the second for mongering and actually I prefer it to vietnam which I abandoned this trip to come back here. You should have taken up the offer of Aussieguy100 for advice as he is not only a very nice gentleman but also very knowledgeable and helpful about the scene here, willing to share gladly.

But I am feeling that you have just rejected Cambodia all together, throwing away the baby with the water. Too bad. If I may, either seek help and open up or just leave and never come back. However, what I can tell you is that should you choose the first option, it should be quite rewarding.

I guess you must not be used to walking a lot in busy asian cities. I do a lot of walking especially here as its as flat as a pancake here, from street 184 down to 240, back to 108 and back again to 174. And never had a problem. Of course you have to be extra careful, but it can be done. Actually, I had more risks of being hit by cars in europe crossing the streets than here with all the motorbikes and cars.

As for sleeping well. Why don't you try the bluetongue cafe and hotel on street 174 right next to the Walkabout? In that street and just a bit further there are other nice hotels too and very quiet. Turn around on street 63 and you will find yet other nice hotels as well. But you need to walk hahahaha. Let me know if you want the names and streets numbers.

It is quite normal all over asia that girls ask for ridiculous amounts in the first place. It does not mean that its what they will not not accept less. Negotiation is part of the life and always expected, if not wanted actually. In some countries you will in fact not be respected if you don't bargain.

Having said that, and to try to help with my modest knowledge of this country still new to me, you should try Panda massage at the corner of streets 240 and 55 I believe. I had FS there for 25 bucks the first day I arrived thanks to info found here. I think. Sorry but I had just arrived and was horny as hell hehehe. You can refuse the first girl they send you and ask for another one that is what I did when they sent a fat cow.) , just like anywhere in south east asia, until you get someone you like, if they have enough girls of course. The manager there is vietnamese but she does not have any viet girls, all Cambodian.

You should probably try the Paris hotel massage as well as a massage place just off street 63 on street 252 at number 28R, called 252 massage karaoke, its right next to a big signed karaoke. Viet girls have red tag and Cambodians have bue tags (or maybe the other way round. You'll see anyways). I have not tried it, yet, just walked up to have a look. They had at least 30 girls in the fishbowl.

Hope you will enjoy Phnom penh a bit more. If not, Ho Chi Minh is only at 6 hours bus ride and 10 to 13 USD for that.

Cheers

Thanks for the tips. I'm going to have to try something if I get sent over there (I swear this is fate punishing me, Cambodia is the ONE place in Asia I absolutely did not like).

For me, HCMC isn't a great place either. I wouldn't go there for mongering, that's for sure. Still the BJ barber shops aren't bad. If it was in the US I'd probably like it a lot more. But when you're this close to Thailand, Philippines, South Korea, Japan, Hong Kong, Macau and Singapore, both countries are just absolutely [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor.

About the prices: I know literally hundreds of places throughout Asia where the girls don't ask as much as I was quoted in PP, even if just initially, and every one of those countries is richer and more expensive generally. That's the main thing that pissed me off. For years I kept hearing about $5 short times, all this other shit. The reality was much different. Maybe a crack head that hasn't washed in a week from Sorya Mall will go with you for $5. That's about it. Disgusting pigs with 3 kids in the bars wanting $50 is a real turn off, especially when you just spent a month divided between Angeles City and Pattaya banging 18-21 year olds for a lot less. I was also more than a bit put off by the fact that half of the guys I saw in the bars and freelance places looked worse than the crackhead hookers. It really looks to me like a city where Western people go to die.

About the streets: the only place worse for walking that I've seen anywhere in the world was HCMC. I've been to something like 85 countries. I really do like to walk, I do it everywhere. It's just totally uncomfortable in PP, like much else. I mean, a city of 2. 5 million people without even a bus system tells you a lot.

When compared to what else is available in the world, it's just an absolutely dreadful place. I feel deeply sorry for anyone who thinks this is something good. It's like the old Koreans who sleep on the floor their whole lives and think it's the best. You know if they just slept in a bed they'd love it and see what shit sleeping on the ground was.

[QUOTE=Tungsten2;1354495]I've never been to Cambodia but have the chance to spend a few days either side of Christmas baby-sitting the offce in PP. Workwise, I t should be a doddle but wondering if the city will be a ghost town or in full-on party mode?[/QUOTE]Seeing as it's a Buddhist country, I don't think anyone gives a shit. Some of the bargirls will probably put on Santa hats so they can jack up the price another 25 or 50 bucks. Who cares right? What's a month's rent for an hour of used up gash with a starfish?

Tungsten 2,

Ignore Rick Rock. For some reason he's now trolling.

PP at Christmas will be fun. As RR says, lots of Santa hats, girls dancing in the bars, generally a good time.

No chance it will be a ghost town. Just look back over the last ten pages of this PP thread for suggestions of where to go, depending on your preferences.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1354697]Thanks for the tips. I'm going to have to try something if I get sent over there (I swear this is fate punishing me, Cambodia is the ONE place in Asia I absolutely did not like).

When compared to what else is available in the world, it's just an absolutely dreadful place. I feel deeply sorry for anyone who thinks this is something good. It's like the old Koreans who sleep on the floor their whole lives and think it's the best. You know if they just slept in a bed they'd love it and see what shit sleeping on the ground was.[/QUOTE]I believe that you are beyond any salvation as far as Cambodia is concerned. And maybe you are right. Maybe you did something that justifies fate punishing you. Think about that for a moment. You may also want to talk to yourt bosses to trade for any other place because it may prove to be hell for you here.

You may also have been spoilt rotten with other countries but then again you should compare apples with apples and not apples with rabbits. Every country and people and culture have their own peculiarities and are extremely different even if they seem to be close to each other, that is if you take the time to see beyond the facade and the surface.

You know, in everything that we think is bad, with time, there is always something good and positive that evolves from it eventually. Few years back I was sent to work in Portugal while I had hated it the first time I went there and thought never to go back. Few weeks after I stayed there, I started discovering the real Lisbon, and its people, and I grew to like it and even to love it after few months. I realized that in my first visit I had seen nothing really, understood nothing and felt even less. Funny enough, same thing happened to me here in Cambodia the first time I came here 4 years ago and now yes I do love it and the people account for a large part of that.

Good luck because you need plenty of it bro =, just my 2 cents.

Unfortunately every blog or forum from time to time has the appearance of an attention seeker who adds no value and their sole purpose is to antagonize and "stir the pot".

They are best ingnored and they eventually, when their attention seeking ways no longer give them the sad rush they seek, crawl back under the rock they came from.

This loser Rick Rock is no exception, and I could give two fucks about his level of membership or tall stories of the number of countries he has been to or all the 18 year old supermodels he has fucked.

I encourage everyone to do as I do and when you read his name in a post thread, bypass whatever negative dribble he has to say and move on to the next post.

Enjoy PP for what it is fellow Khmer lovers!

Has it occured to you that maybe you are the problem, RR? I have a great time wherever I go.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1354498]LOL. The only thing I failed at was getting some sleep or crossing a street without risking my life and jumping over raw sewage in the gutter bro. Oh and finding women who weren't batshit insane. Sorry but after women at several different bars quote you insane prices you just don't feel much like mongering anymore. I'd like to find some more handjob shops just to hold me over until I can get out of there. Any tips on that would be sweet.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1354498]LOL. The only thing I failed at was getting some sleep or crossing a street without risking my life and jumping over raw sewage in the gutter bro. Oh and finding women who weren't batshit insane. Sorry but after women at several different bars quote you insane prices you just don't feel much like mongering anymore. I'd like to find some more handjob shops just to hold me over until I can get out of there. Any tips on that would be sweet.[/QUOTE]From what I hear, woman who quote "insane prices" generally do so because you have no appeal to them. It's sorta like a "go away" comment.

I often am the problem. But since I've never felt this way about any other place I've been in the world, and there are many, then I tend to think that's probably not the case.

How about we talk about something of substance for a change here. (this previous subject is flogging a dead horse, same thing over and over again, and not what anyone is coming here to find out, we got the point, so lets move on)

What's the current state of Martini, if I can ask? Current rates? Also what are the going rates at Pontoon and HOD these days?

I guess I can understand RR somehow. Earlier I've been to PP several times and had mostly good times, but it was around 2002 till 2005. Then late 2004 or some time in 2005 Air Asia started daily flights directly into Clark (Angeles). As a result, in 2005 was my final visit to PP, since then I have never been back to Cambo.

AC and PP might be a comparison of apples and oranges, so what, then for me the apple please.

But whoever likes PP, why not, enjoy it! Cheers!

I can agree with all that Eks. Thanks. Sorry for any problems, but I just felt ripped off by what I had heard for years. I didn't see any negative reports and that's probably what gave me false hopes. At least someone might take my insane rants into consideration before heading to PP in search of hot chicks for low dollars.

I first visited PP in the 1990's and it was wild then. In recent years this has changed. Athough there are not the sheer numbers of women to be had as in Thailand, The Philippines etc, I still manage to find some real gems. Last year I found a 19 year old bar girl who was over-celebrating in Pontoons. We hit it off and she almost sucked me dry with BJ's galore. She had long braided hair and an incredible body. All for 30 USD for all night. I should have hung onto her (I know. Big head, small head ha ha) but I chased other girls in HOD the following night and found a 21 year old stunner with her 19 year old younger sister. Fresh from home. I took both of them short time for 20 USD each and gave the younger one her first facial, just right after she watched her sister give me a BBBJ. They were great.

The last time I was in PP was 2 months ago and I saw an incredibly sexy girl (20) in Martini's and we hit if off and she came home with me for 25 USD short time. She had to return to the club for her jacket and I thought that since I had paid her she would not return (leaving me free to chase again. Heh heh). She returned for an overnight session for 25 USD and I could hardly walk the next morning. She fucked my brains out and was so so tight too.

So when I read recent tales of woe here I truly wonder which PP I visited. For me these girls are normally great if you are patient and slowly get them to introduce friends etc then it is possible to get some amazing girls.

I will return there in a few months and have already started chatting on DIA, Skype etc. I expect another amazing time. Forget Thailand, it's full of seasoned / hardened girls intent on their I-phone 5 etc. PP hasn't got there just yet.

For whatever it may be I am heading to Cambodia next week and plan to stay for a week. If I like it I might extend my stay if not, back to Thailand. I have to get out and come back to get my second tourist visa entry activated.

First time there so I make sure I write about my experience as a first timer. It's funny though I never heard of a place where everyone had a positive feedback. People have different experiences depending on so many things. So the phrase YMMV is very true. The most important thing is having a positive attitude, I have travelled many places and hands on heart can say I had good times and bad times in just about every place (even right here, right now in Patong, Phuket! Which is full of super babes!). When I just about gave up on a place, suddenly hit the jackpot with a gem, so you never know.

GLA.

[QUOTE=Uzinuzin;1355514]When I just about gave up on a place, suddenly hit the jackpot with a gem, so you never know.[/QUOTE]A great girl can make all the difference in the world. I still remember the hot little spinner I pulled out of Rose Bar in 2009. She was one of my ALL TIME BEST! Try the 104 ST. Bars, HOD, Cyrcee. 136 ST bars, and the upscale Darling Darling nightclub in the Nagaworld. If you have the time or inclination to play the long game, check out the Shanghai bar girls. Phnom Penh is still pretty good. Let's see. I was last there in 2011. Prices have gone up since then, but even then some board members were complaining about the price increases; $30 for 2 hours with multiple shags was lableled outrageous. I was criticized for acknowledging these increases and paying the going rate back then. I don't know what girls are asking now, is it up to $40-$50? So what! Of course, I wouldn't pay that for a fugly, but for a sexy Khmer girl with a good personality; I don't see the point of bitchin' about it. Prices have gone up everywhere in Asia including AC, Pattaya, and BKK. It is the trend in Asia and nothing short of a worldwide economic depression is going to change that. My best advice is: don't sweat the small penny anti stuff. Treat the girls good and you will reap the rewards, wherever you go. Unfortunately, I won't be returning to Phnom in 2013. I have other plans, but there is a good chance I will return in 2014. Why not? It may not be my favorite place in Asia, but I do like the town. It has great food, it is pleasant to walk around in (or hire a driver), it has some nice temples, and best of all there are some very sweet girls here.