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[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2309025]Considering most punters are demanding less and less from the gals and paying more for the privilege, I'm sure some of them are absolutely gob-smacked when you ask for BBFS. 20 years ago I found that most gals were very receptive to it, especially on the second or subsequent "dates. " I myself rarely indulge, just don't want to risk a prostate infection.[/QUOTE]They just act like they are pissed because they want it to keep going in the direction you point out.

More and more $$$ less and less effort then somebody like me comes along and asks for "real sex" and.

They are like hold on motherfucker, things are going in a direction we happen to like, we don't.

Need you pulling things back in the direction of pleasing the monger for a reasonable rate.

So they will yell "You want what" to try and shame me, for asking or embarrass me, and to discourage me from asking, not this cat!

I will walk 2 feet and ask the next pretty girl I see, I don't let them run shit.

If there's a place where they have to much say, ala FKKland, I will avoid it.

Those bitches have too many easy mongers lining up for them.

My opinion is that sex with a condom is not sex.

Its like virtual reality porn, its an illusion of sex.

Jacking off to porn is closer to real sex.

Than is having sex with a condom.

Lets not even discuss those getting BJs with condoms (and paying for that LOL).

Sex in a pussy mouth or ass with a condom is not sex.

Its just an expensive simulation.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2309025]Considering most punters are demanding less and less from the gals and paying more for the privilege, I'm sure some of them are absolutely gob-smacked when you ask for BBFS. 20 years ago I found that most gals were very receptive to it, especially on the second or subsequent "dates. " I myself rarely indulge, just don't want to risk a prostate infection.[/QUOTE]Of course, many girls are so used to the request their automatic response is EITHER their oft repeated way of saying "NO" while other girls' automatic response is the oft repeated "How much you pay me?" Occasionally I will get an immediate nod, smile and an "ok" as though they'd been wondering why so few customers ever asked.

But, you are right that quite a few Thai P4P girls are stunned to encounter a punter who wants (or needs) such a thing enough to actually request it upfront. I will sometimes negotiate upfront for either BBFS or, if that is not up for consideration, a BBBJ+CIM. And it is not uncommon for many Thai P4P girls to say no to both with the greater shock and outrage reserved for the BBBJ+CIM part of it.

You see, they get that request so rarely they are convinced only Ladyboys ever do it! LOL. And they will say so right to your face.

The other night, I met a girl at Thermae to pretty much changed my perception about some of these Thai freelancers. I was first turned down by a hottie who was standing in the smoking area next to the wash sink in the back. She has been reviewed on here before and told me "no" that I was not her type. I went back inside and sat in the center island space so I could watch the bars. Plenty of Asian customers walking around. It seems that the cuter and prettier girls preferred the younger Asian males as my Westerner comrades were having not much luck. The very few Indians and Arab customers were worse off. I saw many Westerners having to settle for 3 and 4th tier girls after repeated "no's. " I saw one hottie, a 10 in my book, actually reject a lot of Asians, so I thought maybe she preferred Westerners. I approach her and asked if that is the case. She told me that she was not cheap and won't go for anything less than 5,000 but only 2 hours. I took her up on her offer because I thought she was sexy. Back in the room, her service was rushed and non GFE. No kissing and covered everything. When we were done, she gave me her LINE in case I wanted to meet the next day. She said it would only be 4,000 during day time. Looking through her LINE photos, I think those poor uneducated Isaan girls know what they are doing.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2309077]Of course, many girls are so used to the request their automatic response is EITHER their oft repeated way of saying "NO" while other girls' automatic response is the oft repeated "How much you pay me?" Occasionally I will get an immediate nod, smile and an "ok" as though they'd been wondering why so few customers ever asked.

But, you are right that quite a few Thai P4P girls are stunned to encounter a punter who wants (or needs) such a thing enough to actually request it upfront. I will sometimes negotiate upfront for either BBFS or, if that is not up for consideration, a BBBJ+CIM. And it is not uncommon for many Thai P4P girls to say no to both with the greater shock and outrage reserved for the BBBJ+CIM part of it.

You see, they get that request so rarely they are convinced only Ladyboys ever do it! LOL. And they will say so right to your face.[/QUOTE]In my own limited experience, I either get the nod, smile and OK (that has happened a bunch of times with bargirls and once with a Thermae girl (true freelancer, have never seen her there since only comes on an an occasional weekend) or will get ""cannot", but I've never encountered true outrage (perhaps sample size is too small, I defer to Mr. Tooms for sure) (several "regular" Thermae girls definitely wrinkled their noses in a definitive "no" to that inquiry). (strange, I can't remember the last time I got the "how much you pay me" line)

I don't even encounter outrage when I inquire about the back door, but that's when the ladyboy jokes / comments often do occur.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2309004]we punters whose goal includes getting an upfront agreement to engage in no condom, bareback boom boom, BBFS, BBFS+CIP or whatever anyone wants to call it[/QUOTE]I'm surprised it's that difficult for guys to get BBFS if you are a regular to certain bars. Let's take a gogo bar for instance since that is what I am the most familiar with. Even if you are an infrequent visitor attending 2-3 times per month all it would take is asking a handful of girls for BBFS and word will quickly get around to every gogo girl in the bar you are seeking BBFS. This will separate the girls who are disgusted you want sex without a condom and attract the girls who have BBFS in their arsenal to come talk to you. Girls talk no different than customers and likely even more so.
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Same applies on whether you are a good John or a bad one. A good tipper or a Cheap Charlie. A guy who buys lady drinks and barfines girls or a time waster who wants a girl to sit with them and doesn't buy a lady drink. A guy who has a small peepee or a 10" German sausage. A guy who cums in 3 minutes or a guy who needs to jackhammer a girl all night long. A guy quickly gets a reputation good or bad in each bar.

[QUOTE=RedMau5;2309086]The other night, I met a girl at Thermae to pretty much changed my perception about some of these Thai freelancers. I was first turned down by a hottie who was standing in the smoking area next to the wash sink in the back. She has been reviewed on here before and told me "no" that I was not her type. I went back inside and sat in the center island space so I could watch the bars. Plenty of Asian customers walking around. It seems that the cuter and prettier girls preferred the younger Asian males as my Westerner comrades were having not much luck. The very few Indians and Arab customers were worse off. I saw many Westerners having to settle for 3 and 4th tier girls after repeated "no's. " I saw one hottie, a 10 in my book, actually reject a lot of Asians, so I thought maybe she preferred Westerners. I approach her and asked if that is the case. She told me that she was not cheap and won't go for anything less than 5,000 but only 2 hours. I took her up on her offer because I thought she was sexy. Back in the room, her service was rushed and non GFE. No kissing and covered everything. When we were done, she gave me her LINE in case I wanted to meet the next day. She said it would only be 4,000 during day time. Looking through her LINE photos, I think those poor uneducated Isaan girls know what they are doing.[/QUOTE]Did you pay her the 5 k? The minute you saw it was not going to be satisfactory, call it off, give her a few hundred baht, and show her the door. Let her know this type of service is not ok. It's not about the gals, it's about the punters. As long as dudes accept poor service and pay for it, this will continue. If she doesn't deliver, don't pay her the agreed upon price. If you do, then there's one gal whose ruined.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2309156]I'm surprised it's that difficult for guys to get BBFS if you are a regular to certain bars. Let's take a gogo bar for instance since that is what I am the most familiar with. Even if you are an infrequent visitor attending 2-3 times per month all it would take is asking a handful of girls for BBFS and word will quickly get around to every gogo girl in the bar you are seeking BBFS. This will separate the girls who are disgusted you want sex without a condom and attract the girls who have BBFS in their arsenal to come talk to you. Girls talk no different than customers and likely even more so.
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Same applies on whether you are a good John or a bad one. A good tipper or a Cheap Charlie. A guy who buys lady drinks and barfines girls or a time waster who wants a girl to sit with them and doesn't buy a lady drink. A guy who has a small peepee or a 10" German sausage. A guy who cums in 3 minutes or a guy who needs to jackhammer a girl all night long. A guy quickly gets a reputation good or bad in each bar.[/QUOTE]I don't think gals at a bar want the other gals to know they are "skinning it. " Kind of like the original Asian only gals 15 years ago in Thermae who liked a little white pecker every once in a while. They'd go with you but would meet you outside. One even said she didn't want her friends to know. I'm sure BBFS is even more so.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2309215]I don't think gals at a bar want the other gals to know they are "skinning it. "[/QUOTE]I meant if a guy asks a girl who is opposed to BBFS that girl will tell other girls in her circle not to waste time with that guy. In a tight knit gogo bar that circle soon becomes the entire bar making the guy a castoff in the bar.

Goats, not sure if you have been to Thermae recently but I was and quite a few Farang there now.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2309223]I meant if a guy asks a girl who is opposed to BBFS that girl will tell other girls in her circle not to waste time with that guy. In a tight knit gogo bar that circle soon becomes the entire bar making the guy a castoff in the bar.

Goats, not sure if you have been to Thermae recently but I was there the other night and quite a few Farang there now. FYI, line up a bit down but I assume that is because they're all partying over Songkran.[/QUOTE]I did a girl there recently, BBFS 2300, horrible session.

She sits by the front door on the chairs of the island.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2309215]I don't think gals at a bar want the other gals to know they are "skinning it. " Kind of like the original Asian only gals 15 years ago in Thermae who liked a little white pecker every once in a while. They'd go with you but would meet you outside. One even said she didn't want her friends to know. I'm sure BBFS is even more so.[/QUOTE]Yes some girls will say they would not dream of BBFS when with their peer group. Still may do it secretly. A guy could still get the gossip spread around by girls refusing BBFS that he only goes for BBFS.

Girls in the bar where I was a regular generally say they know all about me, sometimes the stories were exaggerated. Some girls avoided me for a long while, and finally changed their minds that I was a desirable customer after all. A very popular girl at Suzie Wong was like that. Avoided me for at least a year, and finally one day comes to me, and I am like "what the fuck?" She finally decided I was a maybe a nice guy after all, despite being a big butterfly and doing a few different girls there. She maybe did not like how I often took two girls with me, as well. She became a regular but did not do threesomes. Most likely the most important thing was not getting a reputation for being "Cheap Charlie".

Not unusual for a girl to comment to me after a session that I was not as bad as what the stories made out.

I never got a reputation asking for BBFS, since I never asked for that as a pre-requisite to a session. I was known for longer duration sex sessions at least, but compensation was fair to good.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2309233]Yes some girls will say they would not dream of BBFS when with their peer group. Still may do it secretly. A guy could still get the gossip spread around by girls refusing BBFS that he only goes for BBFS.

Girls in the bar where I was a regular generally say they know all about me, sometimes the stories were exaggerated. Some girls avoided me for a long while, and finally changed their minds that I was a desirable customer after all. A very popular girl at Suzie Wong was like that. Avoided me for at least a year, and finally one day comes to me, and I am like "what the fuck?" She finally decided I was a maybe a nice guy after all, despite being a big butterfly and doing a few different girls there. She maybe did not like how I often took two girls with me, as well. She became a regular but did not do threesomes. Most likely the most important thing was not getting a reputation for being "Cheap Charlie".

Not unusual for a girl to comment to me after a session that I was not as bad as what the stories made out.

I never got a reputation asking for BBFS, since I never asked for that as a pre-requisite to a session. I was known for longer duration sex sessions at least, but compensation was fair to good.[/QUOTE]Once they speak with me? Its a different story LOL.

Same thing with price, hookers try to collude against us.

But most hookers will undercut their co-workers the 1st chance they get.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2309050]They just act like they are pissed because they want it to keep going in the direction you point out.

More and more $$$ less and less effort then somebody like me comes along and asks for "real sex" and.

They are like hold on motherfucker, things are going in a direction we happen to like, we don't.

Need you pulling things back in the direction of pleasing the monger for a reasonable rate.

So they will yell "You want what" to try and shame me, for asking or embarrass me, and to discourage me from asking, not this cat!

I will walk 2 feet and ask the next pretty girl I see, I don't let them run shit.

If there's a place where they have to much say, ala FKKland, I will avoid it.

Those bitches have too many easy mongers lining up for them.

My opinion is that sex with a condom is not sex.

Its like virtual reality porn, its an illusion of sex.

Jacking off to porn is closer to real sex.

Than is having sex with a condom.

Lets not even discuss those getting BJs with condoms (and paying for that LOL).

Sex in a pussy mouth or ass with a condom is not sex.

Its just an expensive simulation.[/QUOTE]It's like the taxi driver that insists on the Toll from the airport. It's a win situation for him, and a cost to us. He gets the job completed faster and you pay the toll.

Sex with a condom is terrible, no feeling and so mechanical that it's a joke on us. I have one GF that gives great sex uncovered except for the vag, then she makes me suit up. She gives great BBBJ and CIM no problem, but can't get in that pussy BB. But she is wild and active, kisses and bites and is great fun to have sex with. And only 1500 THB.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2309240]It's like the taxi driver that insists on the Toll from the airport. It's a win situation for him, and a cost to us. He gets the job completed faster and you pay the toll.

Sex with a condom is terrible, no feeling and so mechanical that it's a joke on us. I have one GF that gives great sex uncovered except for the vag, then she makes me suit up. She gives great BBBJ and CIM no problem, but can't get in that pussy BB. But she is wild and active, kisses and bites and is great fun to have sex with. And only 1500 THB.

RL.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing condoms helped with birth control and disease.

But have outlived their usefulness. At least for me.

I look at many things thru a political lens.

Circa 2019 I look at condoms as a quasi feminist plot.

To disincentive mongering (among other motives), by making it so much less pleasurable.

And "empowering" for women (if you still insist), they can steal men's money like the guy that just paid 5000.

In therme for a CBJ, and laugh all the way to icon Siam!

I remember reading about aids in maybe 1980-1981.

And quality of life went really down hill for men, I heard about the free love of the 60's (it was depressing).

Well aids is almost "cured" 2019.

Hookers can't make us use condoms, their con only works if you go along and pay 5000 for a shitty CBJ.

Just say no!

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2309240]It's like the taxi driver that insists on the Toll from the airport. It's a win situation for him, and a cost to us. He gets the job completed faster and you pay the toll.

Sex with a condom is terrible, no feeling and so mechanical that it's a joke on us. I have one GF that gives great sex uncovered except for the vag, then she makes me suit up. She gives great BBBJ and CIM no problem, but can't get in that pussy BB. But she is wild and active, kisses and bites and is great fun to have sex with. And only 1500 THB.

RL.[/QUOTE]To the Czar and you.

Arguing the virtues of BB and non BB should not be here, ideally. Maybe the safe sex thread. These types of posts are too provocative to the "hell and brim-fire" types of posters, who are very religiously against BB.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2309156]I'm surprised it's that difficult for guys to get BBFS if you are a regular to certain bars. Let's take a gogo bar for instance since that is what I am the most familiar with. Even if you are an infrequent visitor attending 2-3 times per month all it would take is asking a handful of girls for BBFS and word will quickly get around to every gogo girl in the bar you are seeking BBFS. This will separate the girls who are disgusted you want sex without a condom and attract the girls who have BBFS in their arsenal to come talk to you. Girls talk no different than customers and likely even more so.
[/QUOTE]From my experience it is easier to get it with girls in bars where you have a history of asking for it upfront and paying fairly for it after you get it.

But you will never really know if the reason you continue to get it from (new to you) girls in that bar is because they talk amongst themselves about it and have decided doing it with you is fine (the most doubtful conclusion, imo, per Goatscrot's comment), because the girls have seen you take other girls who seem happy enough to have been taken by you to lobby openly to be taken by you again, because you are so comfortable in your way of asking for it in that bar due to prior success that your game is working better for you, because that bar's "culture" was already geared toward girls competing with each other by earning their money by providing better results for their customers rather than a horrible opposite of that or some other reason.

If the "culture" in a bar or even among a half dozen girls standing in front of a hotel as established by a self-designated ring leader or two is that providing BBFS is a terrible forbidden sin only failed P4P girls would sink to agreeing to, then if you hit up one of those ring leaders for it early on and you are unlucky enough for her to turn to the others and make it known any of them who go with you is "failed", then it is going to be a greater challenge to pull from that group. So the "talk among themselves" concept is probably more likely to serve as a negative rather than a positive.

However, I must say I am generally ok with girls knowing that is what it will take to entice me to take one of them tonight. Something else that I do that might make a difference; My negotiation is very likely to be for EITHER a BBBJ+CIM or BBFS+CIP. Yes, with the BBBJ+CIM mentioned first. So to a certain extent if the girls in a bar have chattered about me, they have no idea if the new girl leaving with me has agreed to a blowjob or a fuck my way. And the girl agreeing to leave with me would be aware of that as well.