Moscow

[QUOTE=The Tanuki; 1269751]It's a members only place but she has the card so no problem. This club is down below ground and has all sorts of odd shit decorating it. Maybe Tim Burton's decorator worked it. Anyhow it's very local and friendly. We'd already eaten, but the food there looked pretty good. There's a simple wood platform in the middle of the place and just after midnight a lady kind of formally opened up the dancing. Natasha and I settled back to watch a while. The DJ played an eclectic mix of Russian and western tunes, and people all started getting into the dance scene. Most folks were quite drunk and funny to watch. Then we joined in on stage which was crowded as hell by that time. Never seen a place where everybody was just having fun and falling down drunk and all that. There were a number of single girls starting to show up later, and Natasha said they come for the sex.

The Tanuki[/QUOTE]Dude. Did you not get the memo? Petrovich is supposed to be a secret! Ha ha ha! Seriously, you have uncovered one of the best amateur pick up spots in Moscow for the late 20's to mid 30's age range. The trick of course is to get a membership. See you Saturday!

[QUOTE=Jake993;1270161]Dude. Did you not get the memo? Petrovich is supposed to be a secret! Ha ha ha! Seriously, you have uncovered one of the best amateur pick up spots in Moscow for the late 20's to mid 30's age range. The trick of course is to get a membership. See you Saturday![/QUOTE]Fuck, the memo was in my other inbox. Sorry about that. Well, at least I don't have to get my own card. Hehehe.

The Tanuki

The most important thing in life is how to spend money and which result gets by money. All the rest are fairy tales. If men are happy to pay billions dollars for normal sex, I never want to be one of them.

I read your post "We seldom hear from the guys who live there because they're too busy juggling all the babes." I hope you meant "they're too busy because they fuck regular girls everyday (with no P4P)." It is my opinion, it is not a real man who to pay high prices for simple sex.

Moreover there is a huge trouble connected to that way to be a prostitute monger: billions dollars go to criminal organizations. Therefore, on the one side, people pay billions dollars in taxes, because their governments fight criminal organizations; on the other side, people pay billions dollars in prostitutes, because criminal organizations spread drugs and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url].

I never want to be one of them.

I am ready to update my mindset with your help, when I shall come to Moscow again.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1269586]I hate to burst your bubble Aco, but you are completely clueless when it comes to Moscow and Russia; freebies, P4P, or otherwise. That's no opinion, it can be easily determined from reading all your silly posts over the past years.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AColonizer;1270265]I read your post "We seldom hear from the guys who live there." I hope you meant "they're too busy because they fuck regular girls everyday (with no P4P)."[/QUOTE]Aco. As a Moscow resident let me assure you this is EXACTLY why you don't hear much from us. Let me put this in the simplest possible terms. If you live here, there is absolutely no reason that you would NEED to pay for sex. There are plenty of women in Moscow who are under served and welcome the opportunity for sex. Even with foreigners. Having said that, there are plenty of reasons why some local residents prefer to pay for sex but that's not what's at issue. AND, just because you don't pay for sex it doesn't mean that it's free. If you catch my meaning. To quote the late great Pizdyets,"Just because you don't pay for pussy, doesn't mean it's free".

I have been going to Kiev for five years now and I thought you London to Moscow mongers interested in trying a new location might like to swop some summary info. To save wading through all the irrelevant chat. I fly from Luton to Kiev direct. Easy flight times available and about three hours, and I usually get a return fare or about £120 if I choose my dates carefully. I stay at the Partner guest house which is central and near convenient eateries and supermarket. They arrange pick up from airport. It's discreet with own security entrance, clean and modern. Perfect for mongering about £65/$100 per night if you choose dates carefully. I go to the Red Lion strip club on Kreschatic street straight away. Main drag. Has web site for directions. It's in easy walking distance . Opens at 10pm . Entry fee of £10. On the first night and I usually pop a viagra and find a take out girl after a series of erotic dances there for 50 grievnas (£5) each. You can get a blow job in the back I think, but I never tried. I pay around £100 for an hour with a girl. There are agencies you can ring for girls of standard appearance. Eg 'Gia' but you miss the excitement of trolling in the main drag where if you stay long enough and have the courage to approach you can pick up a loose woman outside McDonalds. On day two I recover from the viagra hangover and take it easy with a swim at Premier Palace health spa. Hugely expensive day membership of £40 but a treat. In the afternoon I use 'Dolly salon' and 'Rakuena' massage call outs. They will send a girl for a kissing and hand job massage but no sex. Don't bother trying. I have tried money / everything and doesn't work. But girls young and pretty and good company and you can get a 'lesbi-massage' which is fun to watch, although mainly play acting. You can get a girl round from 'Mamba' dating site for cheap prices from £60 up and will be ok looking but not the advertised girl. But you can exchange messages with the agency / pimp before you leave to settle prices and get contact numbers. I just go for three or four days each time to get it out of my system so I don't have time to explore much. If you hang around nearby Arena City complex near the appt at night I am sure you can get a street girl. Kiev girls are mainly lovely but I would like to try Moscow which has an even better reputation. If somebody can write me a similar itinerary I would be grateful, ie where to stay that's decent and secure and clean straight from the airport and where to go or which agency to use. There's too much waffle here and life's too short for detail.

Regards . The limarian.

Regards

Please, enlight me. Everything in life has a price. But there is a big difference between a vodka together and a 100$ for a quickie. Moreover there is a whole world in the middle between occasional tourists and resident men in former USSR. Therefore it is necessary to keep clear those differences. Instead here people usually make a soup of everything. Thanks for the patience. Smile.

[QUOTE=Jake993;1270567]Aco. As a Moscow resident let me assure you this is EXACTLY why you don't hear much from us. Let me put this in the simplest possible terms. If you live here, there is absolutely no reason that you would NEED to pay for sex. There are plenty of women in Moscow who are under served and welcome the opportunity for sex. Even with foreigners. Having said that, there are plenty of reasons why some local residents prefer to pay for sex but that's not what's at issue. AND, just because you don't pay for sex it doesn't mean that it's free. If you catch my meaning. To quote the late great Pizdyets,"Just because you don't pay for pussy, doesn't mean it's free".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jake993;1270567]Aco. As a Moscow resident let me assure you this is EXACTLY why you don't hear much from us. Let me put this in the simplest possible terms. If you live here, there is absolutely no reason that you would NEED to pay for sex. There are plenty of women in Moscow who are under served and welcome the opportunity for sex. Even with foreigners. Having said that, there are plenty of reasons why some local residents prefer to pay for sex but that's not what's at issue. AND, just because you don't pay for sex it doesn't mean that it's free. If you catch my meaning. To quote the late great Pizdyets,"Just because you don't pay for pussy, doesn't mean it's free".[/QUOTE]As a first timer only here on business for a couple weeks, I couldn't agree more. And part of the reason why it's not so easy to post a lot is because these women fuck so good there's no strength left for ISG. I haven't had much sleep since my lady started jumping me last Saturday. For my part, I'm not interested in the mechanical sex of a working girl (that's a common observation of Russian girls outside of this land, not just my experience) when a freebie will fuck me blind. But make no mistake, this freebie requires a lot of maintenance, as noted above. There's no question of who pays for EVERYTHING. I may be in bankruptcy court by the time I get home but right now who cares? :p

The Tanuki

[QUOTE=AColonizer;1270265]The most important thing in life is how to spend money and which result gets by money. All the rest are fairy tales. If men are happy to pay billions dollars for normal sex, I never want to be one of them.[/QUOTE]Well, I think there are more important things in life than how to spend money.

Why are you so obsessed with P4P? All sex must be paid for, in one way or another. If some guy chooses to make the transaction simple and pay cash money, then why should this be a problem for you? What's with the billions of dollars? I have never met any working girl in Moscow who was a drug addict, or, at least, did not appear to be one. I'm sure they exist, but you will need to make an effort to search them out.

I originally responded to your statement that,"Prostitutes in central Moscow are expensive and dangerous as I reported in my past posts." The going rate for full service sex in Moscow is about 3, 000 rubles / hour, which is roughly 100 USD. Do you think 100 USD is expensive? If that's true, then I certainly don't want to be hanging out with you. It is possible to find women who will do the deed for less than that, but I personally wouldn't have the stomach for it.

And where did you get the idea that Moscow is dangerous? I don't feel any more threatened walking around central Moscow than I would mid-town Manhattan, or any other major world capital. And I certainly have never had a problem with any transaction that I've had with a working girl in Moscow. But then, I don't walk around with your attitude. Maybe it's something about the way you deal with people that causes problems for you?

[QUOTE=Stravinsky;1270648]And where did you get the idea that Moscow is dangerous? I don't feel any more threatened walking around central Moscow than I would mid-town Manhattan, or any other major world capital. And I certainly have never had a problem with any transaction that I've had with a working girl in Moscow. But then, I don't walk around with your attitude. Maybe it's something about the way you deal with people that causes problems for you?[/QUOTE]I never felt in danger in Moscow, only intimidated because it was my first visit to a world that was not Western. As soon as I get a solid foundation in kindergarten Russian, I would like to return.

[QUOTE=AColonizer;1270594]Please, enlight me. Everything in life has a price. But there is a big difference between a vodka together and a 100$ for a quickie. Moreover there is a whole world in the middle between occasional tourists and resident men in former USSR. Therefore it is necessary to keep clear those differences. Instead here people usually make a soup of everything. Thanks for the patience. Smile.[/QUOTE]Aco. You bring up an EXCELLENT point. Let me expand on what I meant by my statement about some guys who prefer to pay for sex. I have local Russian friends and colleagues who visit girls in working apartments on a regular basis. For local Muscovites, this seems to be the favored method. Some go back to the same girl every week and others prefer to mix it up a little. Either way, these guys (who are married with families) don't get what they need at home and prefer the uncomplicated nature of visiting a working girl in her apartment. No fuss, no muss, no drama. Wham, Bam, Thank you Ma'am. He goes home for dinner with the family with a big smile on his face. To him, it's money well spent.

Could he go to a bar and pick up a freebie girl for sex? Absolutely. Could he develop a relationship with a girl who he could maintain as his mistress? Undoubtedly. But he does not because his life is complicated enough with his wife, two kids and mother-in-law (who lives with them in his 100 sq meter flat) to worry about the hassle and energy (no to mention expense) required to keep a girlfriend. For him, P4P serves a purpose and is good value for Ruble.

Now, Russians with big bucks will have a girl they sponsor. They will pay her rent and give her money for clothes, makeup, etc. It's not prostitution STRICTLY speaking but let's not fool ourselves about the nature of the relationship. She's basically on call to fuck him whenever he wants her to. After a hard day at the investment bank, he calls her up, maybe takes her to dinner and then takes her back to her place and pounds her silly. Of course, when he tires of her he just throws her back and picks out a newer model.

Now take me. I am foreign, speak reasonable Russian, I live alone and have a comfortable amount of disposable income and plenty of free time. For me, it's infinitely more interesting to play the game of meeting girls, seducing them and getting them into bed. Sure, I could pay for it. And when I was coming to Moscow for only a week or two at a time I DID pay for it. I HAD to pay for it because I did not have the time to invest to playing the game to meet and woo these girls. And trust me, if you have your sights set on screwing a freebie girl 25. 30 years younger than you are you NEED to invest some time.

omg i know very well everything you wrote! it seems i write the same matters but in an aseptic way to understand. i think i made some more steps than most men.

one more step is about socalled "wife" (for the conformist western consumism). you have rightly written about wives. when wives don't behave like women after marriage, then this is the main problem. also women like a lot of sex. russian women want much more sex than other women. when russian wives change their behaviour for their own convenience (of course) , then russian husbands could change woman the day after. in fact, until some years ago, divorces were very easy and they were about 66% of marriages. therefore i think socalled "wives" should not be a problem in former ussr. i think it is an excuse in that case because men would like to have a harem with at least four horny wives. therefore men add mistakes to mistakes and they complicate their own lives.

moreover we are talking about old-style relationships viewed by an old-style point of view. in fact i see the male / female relationships of new generations are changing in western world and i see ****d girls behave as the horniest russians. unfortunately, they are too young for us.

here all of us could write and write again infinite reasons and opinions, most of them are lies to ourselves. but everything written in this forum about females, women and prostitutes, is summarized by two witty italian sayings:

- 1.

oh, my friend, in the world there are two categories of women only: the flying women and the bitches.

(the friend) really?

yes. did you ever see any woman who flies?

(the friend) no, i never saw that.

oh, but then all of them are just bitches!

- 2.

there is one woman by whom a man gets children, and there are all of rest women in the world by whom a man gets filthy sex.

[quote=jake993; 1270963]aco. you bring up an excellent point. let me expand on what i meant by my statement about some guys who prefer to pay for sex. i have local russian friends and colleagues who visit girls in working apartments on a regular basis. for local muscovites, this seems to be the favored method. some go back to the same girl every week and others prefer to mix it up a little. either way, these guys (who are married with families) don't get what they need at home and prefer the uncomplicated nature of visiting a working girl in her apartment. no fuss, no muss, no drama. wham, bam, thank you ma'am. he goes home for dinner with the family with a big smile on his face. to him, it's money well spent.

could he go to a bar and pick up a freebie girl for sex? absolutely. could he develop a relationship with a girl who he could maintain as his mistress? undoubtedly. but he does not because his life is complicated enough with his wife, two kids and mother-in-law (who lives with them in his 100 sq meter flat) to worry about the hassle and energy (no to mention expense) required to keep a girlfriend. for him, p4p serves a purpose and is good value for ruble.

now, russians with big bucks will have a girl they sponsor. they will pay her rent and give her money for clothes, makeup, etc. it's not prostitution strictly speaking but let's not fool ourselves about the nature of the relationship. she's basically on call to fuck him whenever he wants her to. after a hard day at the investment bank, he calls her up, maybe takes her to dinner and then takes her back to her place and pounds her silly. of course, when he tires of her he just throws her back and picks out a newer model.

now take me. i am foreign, speak reasonable russian, i live alone and have a comfortable amount of disposable income and plenty of free time. for me, it's infinitely more interesting to play the game of meeting girls, seducing them and getting them into bed. sure, i could pay for it. and when i was coming to moscow for only a week or two at a time i did pay for it. i had to pay for it because i did not have the time to invest to playing the game to meet and woo these girls. and trust me, if you have your sights set on screwing a freebie girl 25. 30 years younger than you are you need to invest some time.[/quote]

Russian men don't dally because their not getting any at home. They do it because: Feeling age creep up, dally with a younger woman and feel the years disappear; finally successful financially, dally with those blondes who used to give you the finger when you looked at them or whom you ignored during your work till you drop years; Nouveau riche, already travel, new car, jewelry, nice clothes, but wait! Disposable income = multitudes of young women. Russian men shack up with younger girls because they can and because it strokes their ego, which makes them normal men."Not getting any at home" is just the myth that men have created to justify their actions. What do Russian men like? They like driving by a bus stop in their Mercedes and rolling down the window and checking out a gorgeous girl, probably in University. 18-22, inviting her to come chat, inviting her into the car. That feeling of POWER. Arguably better than actual sex.

People forgot I got experience directly from the inside life of two hardcore prostitutes.

In few words:

- yes. 100$ for pussy condomed fucking / first hour is expensive, because the same young and sweet girl receives 30 cm ass fisting by a filthy elder for the same price / first hour. Men should decide: is that a Lada car with the price of a BMW car, or is that a BMW car with the price of a Lada car? This applies to Moscow and any other big towns in the world. And more expensive doesn't always mean more quality at all!

- the price inflation in sex market is a problem for all men, or don't you mind to pay 1000$ tomorrow instead of 100$ of today?

- "I have never met any working girl in Moscow who was a drug addict, or, at least, did not appear to be one." Try to guess (and I see with my own eyes) , if they are Oscar award actresses about contracting the muscles in simulated orgasms, how many probabilities can they act as two or three different women with two or three different lives?

- about the danger, I haven't talked in general, I have reported which type of danger I found in Moscow and specifically in "salons". Anyway, a common sense in travelling is always wise.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky; 1270648]Well, I think there are more important things in life than how to spend money.

Why are you so obsessed with P4P? All sex must be paid for, in one way or another. If some guy chooses to make the transaction simple and pay cash money, then why should this be a problem for you? What's with the billions of dollars? I have never met any working girl in Moscow who was a drug addict, or, at least, did not appear to be one. I'm sure they exist, but you will need to make an effort to search them out.

I originally responded to your statement that,"Prostitutes in central Moscow are expensive and dangerous as I reported in my past posts." The going rate for full service sex in Moscow is about 3, 000 rubles / hour, which is roughly 100 USD. Do you think 100 USD is expensive? If that's true, then I certainly don't want to be hanging out with you. It is possible to find women who will do the deed for less than that, but I personally wouldn't have the stomach for it.

And where did you get the idea that Moscow is dangerous? I don't feel any more threatened walking around central Moscow than I would mid-town Manhattan, or any other major world capital. And I certainly have never had a problem with any transaction that I've had with a working girl in Moscow. But then, I don't walk around with your attitude. Maybe it's something about the way you deal with people that causes problems for you?[/QUOTE]

I am thinking of going to Russia this summer for some mongering. I hear a perception that black guys are not welcome. Is that true. How would a black american be treated? Would the girls go with me, Is it dangerous? Thaks for the info.

Jayhighfive

[QUOTE=JayHighFive; 1271810]I am thinking of going to Russia this summer for some mongering. I hear a perception that black guys are not welcome. Is that true. How would a black american be treated? Would the girls go with me, Is it dangerous? Thaks for the info.

Jayhighfive[/QUOTE]Black is black!

Dangerous? I believe the girls think black guys are dangerous.

What is your plan? Escort, freebies or pick up pro at the clubs?

I think you have better chances if you can talk to the girls first,

So they can feel comfortable with you. (They don't speak much English, though)