Lisbon

[QUOTE=Harry1217;2773382]Thank you for the review. She is a new lady and I am intending to see her myself in the new year if possible.

I actually think the WhatsApp picture makes her look a bit different to the advertisements, but she still looks good.

It is good that she is on EscortPrivada, so there is no extra taxi fare or any of that nonsense.

I actually prefer an outcall to my hotel because it makes for a much better ambience during the session; moreover I tend to stay in nice hotels and the rooms are much more comfortable than the incall rooms. Someone commented earlier that there is no need or reason for us to do outcalls but I definitely prefer them.

They are commenting on the local board that you are a promoter of Debora, and that your review may not be genuine! I think this stems from several recent reviews which appear to be done by people affiliated with the ladies.

Rebeca Diniz has had a stream of good reviews on the local board recently, and if you look at the reviewers' profiles it is highly unlikely that they are not genuine. Nevertheless, the writing style and nature of the comments on some of them are similar. I know there were some negative comments about her which were deleted on the local board, I'm not sure why. I remember a very popular Dutch review board which used to collude with brothel houses in Holland to delete negative comments etc. There was a suggestion a while back that perhaps sites such as EscortPrivada write their own reviews to boost ladies' bookings. I always maintain a healthy dose of skepticism when reading reviews. By the way, I am not doubting the authenticity of Debora's review. I'm just making some general observations![/QUOTE]That sucks if that's what they think. I don't know how not to be other than genuine but I'll let that remain their problem. Had I not enjoyed it I more than likely wouldn't have said anything.

Although every corner of the internet is infested with internet fuckwad theory, the local board has a large minority of *sshats for regulars. They are cheap, spiteful, and don't want foreigners either on their board or bedding "their" escorts. Nor are they particularly respectful of the ladies, which is a real problem when it comes to making public reports; I for one have felt uncomfortable with knowing I'm sending a j*ck*ss who will take out his issues on a lady I like and contribute to her burn out.

That extends to some of the mods, which is why the rules are so unevenly / unfairly enforced there. And I don't participate there because of this latter point.

Emphasis on "large minority. " It's not tiny, but it's far from everybody. The real problem is some of the mods are part of the jerk club.

The attitude towards EP is an example. I understand that if you live in Portugal, getting a hotel room just to have an hour with an escort is an added expense. I lived there myself, and some years ago 150/ he was 50% higher than the going incall rate to boot. But some guys deal with it, some guys bypass it, and some bitterly resent it. Like the girls aren't allowed to choose how they want to do something and owe these punters something.

The reaction to Carolina Belmont/Helena de Melo is a good example. She went independent and knows her value. She charges +20 over EP. Plenty of Portuguese guys seem perfectly happy with that, but there is that cluster of jerks who were already bitching about EP and clutter up the board groaning about it. All that is keeping in mind that the going rate for an incall lady who charges 120/h to do an outcall is 180.

A factor here is that most EP girls and indie outcall girls are part-timers, they don't want to work as much as a full-time or bother with the overhead, and/or prefer catering to tourists. Having heard the stories from my two lovers who were once Portuguese escorts, it's not hard to see why.

I guess this bit of newbie question. I'm wondering if the senior members on the board here have any tips on how to converse with the ladies in a manner that is both respectful and direct. Are there any unwritten guidelines on how to flirt with the ladies, what to expect when communicating with the ladies, what are some tactics that work and some that don't to increase the probability of having a good time?

I ask because — I'm having multiple conversations with a set of ladies but it's super hard to gauge interest or even build on the conversation. At the same time, I read posts about how some members seem to be getting a lot of traction with the ladies even before they get here.

Appreciate all the insight & perspective. If folks feel uncomfortable sharing on the forum, would be awesome if you could PM me.

I'm flying into Lisbon in the second week of January solo. Would love to meet up with any local members and absorb the culture!

It's really just the basics, I think. Start with a "boa tarde" and use the word please.

This is a business transaction, so there is no harm in being direct, but be polite. After a greeting, I always start with the two most relevant questions:

1) What neighborhood their studio is in? (for incall).

2) What are their rates?

One specific point is you don't want to ask for an actual address immediately. Although you need that if you make an appointment,some ladies are shy about just giving it out to everyone who asks. Often, you will be told to appear at a certain block, and only get the real building and apartment number after you are actually there. So, they'll tell you to go to 300 on October 5th Avenue, and only when you get there do they say it's really 327 and come up to Apt 4E or whatever.

I also do this in Portuguese, and almost everyone uses WhatsApp now. If you don't speak Portuguese, just plug simple phrasings into Google Translate.

After those basics, bring up any other points you may have. Then ask about the time.

If you go ahead and make an appointment, you can ask about English at the end.

For example, I really like kissing. And GFE. I ask specifically about it -- even if it's not her thing, I am telling her I expect it that way. At the same time, I reassure her I don't smoke, implying my breath will be nice. What I don't do is rant about how I had better damn we'll get my kisses.

There really isn't a code or anything about making an appointment. Not in Portugal. It's legal, so there is no cause to beat around the Bush. Just think of it as a business transaction with a contractor. Direct and polite gets it done and goes a long way. Rude makes you someone they may or may not tolerate. In person is much the same; she is there to do a job, yes, but it doesn't help her find a way to dig you if you haven't cleaned up. Some of these guys wait in their hotel room in their boxers or turn up at the incall looking like they just came from a construction site (and maybe he did! They aren't trying, if you get me, so it's a good bet she won't try either.

[QUOTE=TellYouNot;2773870]I guess this bit of newbie question. I'm wondering if the senior members on the board here have any tips on how to converse with the ladies in a manner that is both respectful and direct. Are there any unwritten guidelines on how to flirt with the ladies, what to expect when communicating with the ladies, what are some tactics that work and some that don't to increase the probability of having a good time?

I ask because I'm having multiple conversations with a set of ladies but it's super hard to gauge interest or even build on the conversation. At the same time, I read posts about how some members seem to be getting a lot of traction with the ladies even before they get here.

Appreciate all the insight & perspective. If folks feel uncomfortable sharing on the forum, would be awesome if you could PM me.

I'm flying into Lisbon in the second week of January solo. Would love to meet up with any local members and absorb the culture![/QUOTE]

Yes, they are piling on.

They are convinced on the local board that the good review by BeenBob of Debora Dias is a fake review written by Debora and are suggesting to her that she lower her prices.

But we can see from BeenBob's posting history that it is a legitimate review written by him.

I tried to do a post explaining this on the local board, but it didn't get accepted.

This is why scouring multiple review boards and paying attention to the number of posts that a reviewer has is important.

Joana Montenegro continues to get the overall best reviews across all review boards of all the ladies on the EP lineup. She just got a brand new review on the big American review board from a poster who rated her higher than any of the ladies he has seen in the United States. This is what he had to say about Joanna, who has gotten positive reviews on five different review boards.

[URL]https://escortprivada.com/escort/joana-montenegro/[/URL]

"Braces aside, she has a very cute face. We sat down on the bed and discussed what I was into (kissing and dirty talk), and she obliged. I told I had taken a shower only a few hours prior, so she decided another wasn't needed.

We laid on the bed and got into a heavy makeout session with tongue. Maybe the best kisser of a SW I've ever been with. A fantastic BBBJ followed, all the while she kept her eyes periodically focused on me. I probably could've busted in her mouth if she went another 5 minutes. But the bag followed and we moved into mish. She took it the dick with aplomb and was able to convincingly dirty talk in Portuguese and English (both hot). We moved into doggy and then side mish. By looking into eyes and pumping I was able to pop in the bag.

A great convo in English followed the first pop about her Cabo Verde background, interspersed with spooning and a lot of making out. She tried to make me pop a second time with a HJ, but I can't blame her for not making it happen. Would repeat 100%. ".

And it continues.

Debora Dias.

The comments keep coming in that your review must be self-promotion which can be "seen right away". They state that the fee of 150 is high, hence the need to self-promote to generate business. I can see it is your first review there, and I suspect most people writing their first review are going to fall foul of the doubters on the local board, particularly where the lady has no existing reviews.

Rebeca Diniz.

Separately, the incredibly positive reviews about Rebeca Diniz show no sign of abating; a flurry of 9's and 10's in quick succession. The reviews are all written with a type of story-telling tone that you see in fiction books. I'm not saying that I believe they are not genuine but the stream of quick 9's and 10's is eye-opening. As I said before, some negative comments about her were deleted so I am a little wary. She is another lady I intend to see myself in the new year.

[QUOTE=BeenBob;2773636]That sucks if that's what they think. I don't know how not to be other than genuine but I'll let that remain their problem. Had I not enjoyed it I more than likely wouldn't have said anything.[/QUOTE]

I can't say I'm surprised by the anti-Dias bandwagon. On the one hand, they have a sound reason to be suspicious. But on the other, how else is a newbie supposed to introduce themselves? Wait until they have a truly wretched experience and start with that?

The best example of this was a newbie who did a handful of reviews of local massage parlors. In one of them he even said quite clearly that he was writing about his good experiences, because he didn't want to go into his bad ones. These places were in Lisbon, Cascais and Sintra, and for the most part operating under different ownership. That didn't stop him from being accused of being a fake at every turn.

Saying the 150 price is classic internet fuckwad stuff. Everyone who follows that forum ought to know the flat EP rate. It's just dumb not to.

It's kind of a Reddit atmosphere over there. 90% of what goes on isn't informative.

Hi everyone,

I'm heading to Lisbon in few weeks and I would love to keep some sexy memories in this trip. I wonder any SW allow video filming in the session? Also any ladies can squirt?

[QUOTE=ExExpatriate;2774412]On the one hand, they have a sound reason to be suspicious. But on the other, how else is a newbie supposed to introduce themselves? Wait until they have a truly wretched experience and start with that?[/QUOTE]It may not be the case with Debora but there are many instances where the reviews are totally fake. By their "agents" or by the girla themselves. Of course this has the consequence of many other legitimate reviews, by this or that reason, to be considered "suspicious" and endless, boring debates to ensue. There's no solution to that other than let the time pass and, as further reviews come up, see where the truth actually lies.

I can't figure out why they go on the attack against some reviews and not others. I saw nothing in BeenBob's review that would indicate that it was a fake review. He gave good and bad, and there was no ridiculousness that usually exists in fake reviews like "we made out like teenagers". Of course we know that his review of Deborah Dias was real since he is a respected member here on ISG. But there was absolutely nothing wrong with his review of her.

On the other hand, new EP lady Eva Branco got her first review on the local board, an 8 out of 10, and it was greeted warmly on the local board. While it was great to get a review of her, this reviewer is easy to please. He gave the same 8 out of 10 to Eva Branco that he gave to Margarida Vaz and to Flora Neves of EP, and to one independent who was CBJ only.

[URL]https://escortprivada.com/escort/eva-branco/[/URL]

The reviewer is an undemanding guy who is easily pleased. Nothing wrong with that. I swear I can't figure out why the guys who are always displeased keep doing this.

The reviewer knows what he likes. A pretty young girl who kisses, accepts fingering, does BBBJ and CFS of course. The reviewer seems to climax once in the session.

He confirmed that Eva Branco is 18 to 22, has a beautiful, youthful face, has big natural breasts with reactive nipples (the pictures are described as accurate in that she is one of the EP ladies with a little meat in her bones, a thicker body), did GFE / kissing, accepted vaginal digits, did BBBJ in addition to CFS, and in fact he did a CIM finish. Eva was described as friendly throughout the session.

Nice that we know of one more younger EP ladies that appears to be a good choice.

How's the incall scene in Lisbon?

Any website that has 18 21 years old girls?

And what's the usual rates for incall?

[QUOTE=TheWhatever;2774854]How's the incall scene in Lisbon?

Any website that has 18 21 years old girls?

And what's the usual rates for incall?[/QUOTE]Lisbon has a tremendous incall scene, but perhaps not what you are thinking of.

All of the recommended ladies in the last 10 to 20 pages of the forum, with the exception of the EP ladies and Carolina Belmont, offer incall.

They are independents. You contact them via WhatsApp and make an appointment to go see them at their incall, which is generally a private apartment that they share with several other escorts. The price is generally 70 to 90 euros for thirty minute incalls and 120 to 150 euros for 60 minutes. The price varies for each lady, with some offering 45 minute sessions. Some only offer 60 minute incalls.

Lisbon does not have traditional brothels or "houses" with line-ups. You choose online after reading reviews and recommendations, and book a session with a specific lady. It is of course possible that another escort or an assistant might be at the multi-room apartment, but you won't likely have contact with escort (s) you didn't book a session with.

This structure is becoming more prevalent worldwide as escorts work independently with technology that easily allows them to communicate and do scheduling. As a result, we owe good and honest information to one another as to who the best ladies are. There are a tremendous number of recommended independent escorts if you will read through the forum. Some of the independent ladies communicate in English through WhatsApp, but for most you need to use Google Translate to send your message in both English and Portuguese.

Incall rates in inner Lisbon for photo-verified escorts are mostly in the 120 to 150/ HR range. Many charge a reduced rate for half hour sessions.

Anyone asking for more than 150 for an incall. Well, unless we're talking surcharges for extras, I can't imagine the lady is worth it. It doesn't stop a few from asking for Paris rates, but the competition is there and willing.

Consult with Apartadox, Portalprivado, Docemassgem, Somassagens, and Momentosdeprazer as solid photo-verified sites.

I'm unaware of any incall girls anywhere near 21 who have positive reviews Some outcall-only girls, yes, but not incall.

[QUOTE=TheWhatever;2774854]How's the incall scene in Lisbon?

Any website that has 18 21 years old girls?

And what's the usual rates for incall?[/QUOTE]

I do wonder if the obviously translated Portuguese doesn't have something to do with it too. Certainly some guys who break new ground on their first review get a pat on the back for it, but they aren't foreigners.

Anyway, the local board is a valuable resource, but that said, it's also kind of a snakepit.

Bottom line, I agree it's just rules of the road.

[QUOTE=KamaLeo;2774827]It may not be the case with Debora but there are many instances where the reviews are totally fake. By their "agents" or by the girla themselves. Of course this has the consequence of many other legitimate reviews, by this or that reason, to be considered "suspicious" and endless, boring debates to ensue. There's no solution to that other than let the time pass and, as further reviews come up, see where the truth actually lies.[/QUOTE]

Thanks a ton. Much appreciated.

[QUOTE=ExExpatriate;2774104]It's really just the basics, I think. Start with a "boa tarde" and use the word please.

This is a business transaction, so there is no harm in being direct, but be polite. After a greeting, I always start with the two most relevant questions:

1) What neighborhood their studio is in? (for incall).

2) What are their rates?

One specific point is you don't want to ask for an actual address immediately. Although you need that if you make an appointment,some ladies are shy about just giving it out to everyone who asks. Often, you will be told to appear at a certain block, and only get the real building and apartment number after you are actually there. So, they'll tell you to go to 300 on October 5th Avenue, and only when you get there do they say it's really 327 and come up to Apt 4E or whatever.

I also do this in Portuguese, and almost everyone uses WhatsApp now. If you don't speak Portuguese, just plug simple phrasings into Google Translate.

After those basics, bring up any other points you may have. Then ask about the time.

If you go ahead and make an appointment, you can ask about English at the end.

For example, I really like kissing. And GFE. I ask specifically about it -- even if it's not her thing, I am telling her I expect it that way. At the same time, I reassure her I don't smoke, implying my breath will be nice. What I don't do is rant about how I had better damn we'll get my kisses.

There really isn't a code or anything about making an appointment. Not in Portugal. It's legal, so there is no cause to beat around the Bush. Just think of it as a business transaction with a contractor. Direct and polite gets it done and goes a long way. Rude makes you someone they may or may not tolerate. In person is much the same; she is there to do a job, yes, but it doesn't help her find a way to dig you if you haven't cleaned up. Some of these guys wait in their hotel room in their boxers or turn up at the incall looking like they just came from a construction site (and maybe he did! They aren't trying, if you get me, so it's a good bet she won't try either.[/QUOTE]