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[QUOTE=Syzygies;2325004]Ha ha. Some think its great now, but certainly very different.

Magnified even more, because the price was so low?

For nostalgia purposes can you comment on typical prices of the girls over that 10 year history? Did they rise a lot or not. I believed I paid 500 Baht for all night in 1991 (possibly too generous), which would have been what my buddy would have told me was the going rate I guess, although he was more stingy and might have paid less. I did come back to the Thermae some years later and got a wonderful sweet girl who was a Hotel maid, whose husband had died, but I don't recall the year or the price. Eventually lost contact with her.

I had GFs that interfered with my availability to visit the place every year, until I started working OS. With Thai GF around, impossible to disappear for the whole night.

In 1991 the price of a great girl for the night was less than the price of the cheap Hotel. On that basis, it was very hard to justify sleeping alone. These days the Hotel is cheaper than the girl unless you at a posh Hotel. So the price of a girl for the night has risen massively relative to hotel prices.

Those were the very good old days. Many of us would love to be transported back in time, but keep what we have learned. I would prefer of course to go to Thailand at age 21 (1977), and not waste so many years having a Farang wife, although my current GF was not even born. I am sure we could all do much better on a repeat.[/QUOTE]I paid between 500 and 1 k Baht for ST (FL, GoGo, what have you) from July of 99 till 09 when I went pretty much exclusively oily. Never paid more. 10 years with virtually no change in price. Bfs were reasonable until agency gals came on the scene. Could still get a good gal for 1. 5 k just a few years ago. Price escalation in the last couple of years has been staggering as the number of Asian tourist punters has increased. Thermae gals asking for and getting almost 100 usd! An evening out drinking in the bars with BF and st can easily approach 10 k Baht. Unless you are filthy rich or a two week millionaire, that's a lot of dough.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2325203]Is it time for a nostalgia thread, Bangkok in the old days? [/QUOTE]I agree. The BKK Reports Forum should be about current issues and what is happening on the ground now. I do enjoy reading some of the better written descriptive reports on Thermae, for example, in the good old days, but their relevancy in today's world is minor. If you haven't barfined a Go Go girl in a couple of years, then basically you have very little to say on the current subject. You are just not up to date. A lot has changed in recent years and not all for the worse. Agency sourcing, for example, HAS brought in higher quality in certain bars.

I remember BKK in the good ol' days. I first came here in '89. And you can choose to believe me or not, up to you; I thought at the time that I had come too late! That the golden age for BKK was from the late 60's to the middle 70's before aids and condoms, ST & LT, the friggin' internet, and the Asian tourist hordes. When being a young white guy had cache value.

But I still come to BKK once or twice a year and spend on average 5 to 6 weeks per trip in BKK. Why? Because I like it. HA HA. And I frequent Go Go's among other venues again because I like to. They are still my favorite pick up joints for various reasons.

So, my intel is current although not everyone will agree with my assessment and that is fine. But here is my lowdown: there are still plenty of hot, sexy girls (roughly 8 to 15% of the total) working in the better Go Go's. If you present yourself in a reasonable way and turn on your cognitive powers when making a choice, it is still pretty damn easy to find a great girl. I have not had one bad one this current trip and have added 2 new ones (BKK) and 1 new one (Pattaya) to my favorites list.

But it is absolutely true. NO MONEY, NO HONEY! And isn't that the way it's always been? Unless you are under 35. So, maybe some of you's should stop longing for a bygone era that ain't ever coming back or complaining about the current price. It is what it is. I remember a time when a brand new Corvette sold for $6,000 and I thought at the time that was way too much money. Ha Ha. Everything is relative. The only time that really counts is right now.

Good will hunting to all.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2325303]I paid between 500 and 1 k Baht for ST (FL, GoGo, what have you) from July of 99 till 09 when I went pretty much exclusively oily. Never paid more. 10 years with virtually no change in price. Bfs were reasonable until agency gals came on the scene. Could still get a good gal for 1. 5 k just a few years ago. Price escalation in the last couple of years has been staggering as the number of Asian tourist punters has increased. Thermae gals asking for and getting almost 100 usd! An evening out drinking in the bars with BF and st can easily approach 10 k Baht. Unless you are filthy rich or a two week millionaire, that's a lot of dough.[/QUOTE]Interesting, to me at least. Indicates a steep price rise from 1991 to 1999. I lost a GF in 2003 so returned to more frequent mongering and found bar prices already much higher and has risen a lot more since. I was in situation of not knowing what to pay and was unaware of ISG. Strangely Oily prices have been very stagnant with rises, but not such big ones.

In 1999 I used to frequent Chao Praya 2 Soapy, and paid the girl 1 K extra for sex. Basic price was just for bath and massage in that section. Girls in the some sections had all in prices for 2 hours, probably less than 1. 5 K can't quite remember. No doubt cheaper could be had elsewhere, but in line with prices you mentioned.

Thermae has been pretty good for me maybe because I am Asian. When I went on a Thursday night, there were so many girls outside as well as inside. I didn't talk to any girls outside because I heard they were ladyboys, but sure could have fooled me. Some of the ladyboys look better than the actual girls. There are a lot of Asians in Thermae. Most of them are in groups hanging out and drinking instead of talking to girls. There were some pretty ones in Thermae among the crowd of girls milling around the walls. I approached a girl I couldn't keep my eyes off of. She reminded me of my friend's hot little sister. She was slim, short, pretty with fake boobs. She quoted me 2500 for ST. When I told her my hotel was far away, she got us a room upstairs for 700 baht so 3200 total for GFE. She kept squeezing my pecs because she said it was bigger than hers. Good time over all.

I have never seen any other race besides mostly Asians. A taxi driver said Arabs usually go to Nana Plaza, Japanese go to Japanese clubs in Patpong, and Koreans / Chinese in Thermae and Soi Cowboy. Seems like most are Asians. I asked her where do Thais go, and she said Thai and some Chinese go to Ratchada which made sense because most of the FinVip free lancers seemed to get a room near there. Got a lot of matches on Tinder, but the girls are flaky especially when they found out that I am here for a short time. Also Tinder seemed to have a lot of lady boys and free lancers. TF had a lot of free lancers as well. Most of the girls in TF seemed interested in white dudes, and did not get much responses.

I don't know why people are so fixated on the price. Most of these girls can make money for a few years max before they are done with this industry one way or another. Also it is way cheaper than any Western countries. It is kind of depressing to think that this is one of the few outlets they can make decent money to try to improve their quality of life. I respect Thai people. Most of them are well educated, hard working people with a deep spiritual side. But most make 300-700 baht a day. Then you have all these fancy malls catering to tourists. It's really hard for an average Thai to even come close attaining that life style. One of the free lance girls I met on TF told me that prostitution on the higher end was pretty rampant but closed off to foreigners. The really rich Thais keep all the pale, pretty slim girls (even celebrities). She was laughing at one guy who was asking 5000 baht to sleep with a slim, pale virgin Thai. Apparently, the market rate for those girls are like 50 K baht depending on what school she graduated from, etc. But that's just second hand info from a free lancer with not the best English LOL.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2325353]I agree. The BKK Reports Forum should be about current issues and what is happening on the ground now. I do enjoy reading some of the better written descriptive reports on Thermae, for example, in the good old days, but their relevancy in today's world is minor. If you haven't barfined a Go Go girl in a couple of years, then basically you have very little to say on the current subject. You are just not up to date. A lot has changed in recent years and not all for the worse. Agency sourcing, for example, HAS brought in higher quality in certain bars.

I remember BKK in the good ol' days. I first came here in '89. And you can choose to believe me or not, up to you; I thought at the time that I had come too late! That the golden age for BKK was from the late 60's to the middle 70's before aids and condoms, ST & LT, the friggin' internet, and the Asian tourist hordes. When being a young white guy had cache value.

But I still come to BKK once or twice a year and spend on average 5 to 6 weeks per trip in BKK. Why? Because I like it. HA HA. And I frequent Go Go's among other venues again because I like to. They are still my favorite pick up joints for various reasons.

So, my intel is current although not everyone will agree with my assessment and that is fine. But here is my lowdown: there are still plenty of hot, sexy girls (roughly 8 to 15% of the total) working in the better Go Go's. If you present yourself in a reasonable way and turn on your cognitive powers when making a choice, it is still pretty damn easy to find a great girl. I have not had one bad one this current trip and have added 2 new ones (BKK) and 1 new one (Pattaya) to my favorites list.

But it is absolutely true. NO MONEY, NO HONEY! And isn't that the way it's always been? Unless you are under 35. So, maybe some of you's should stop longing for a bygone era that ain't ever coming back or complaining about the current price. It is what it is. I remember a time when a brand new Corvette sold for $6,000 and I thought at the time that was way too much money. Ha Ha. Everything is relative. The only time that really counts is right now.

Good will hunting to all.[/QUOTE]A visitor, however frequent, will have a very different perspective from a resident. If you lived here, I imagine you would have at least a slightly different view. From a residents point of view there is really not much positive to report.

I actually found the advent of coyotes and agency girls to be the nail in the coffin for me regarding the GoGo scene in Thailand. It brought increased drink prices and inflated barfines. And in my eyes if there is better quality, which I would debate, it's certainly not worth it to me when one considers the prices. The allure of Thailand was plentiful and cheap. And it was a buyer's market for ages. None of that is the case. I'm glad there are folks that still enjoy it. Think you'll be hard pressed to find many residents who frequent GoGos. Which is a shame because it used to be the place to hang out.

Most expats I know have a list of gals on their phones and order in. The net has become the place for locals to hunt.

When we want to hang out we go to regular bars and drink good beer, that's not much more than the local stuff in the GoGos.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2325376]Interesting, to me at least. Indicates a steep price rise from 1991 to 1999. I lost a GF in 2003 so returned to more frequent mongering and found bar prices already much higher and has risen a lot more since. I was in situation of not knowing what to pay and was unaware of ISG. Strangely Oily prices have been very stagnant with rises, but not such big ones.

In 1999 I used to frequent Chao Praya 2 Soapy, and paid the girl 1 K extra for sex. Basic price was just for bath and massage in that section. Girls in the some sections had all in prices for 2 hours, probably less than 1. 5 K can't quite remember. No doubt cheaper could be had elsewhere, but in line with prices you mentioned.[/QUOTE]Oily and soapy prices have stayed pat. My thoughts; I think they are well aware of their reliance on locals, whereas GoGos can base their revenue solely on tourists these days. When I arrived, low season was really low. Bkk and Pattaya bar areas were almost devoid of tourists for large stretches of the year. Bar owners relied on local regulars to make it. Not the case now. Pattaya was amazing in low season. You could practically fire a cannon down soi 7 or 8 and not hit anyone. And just packed to the gills with gals. Paradise!

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Most expats I know have a list of gals on their phones and order in. The net has become the place for locals to hunt.

When we want to hang out we go to regular bars and drink good beer, that's not much more than the local stuff in the GoGos.[/QUOTE]That's the way it is for me. But I still hit a go-go bar or three almost every week. Mostly when a friend is in town for a visit.

This week I got stuck from Sunday evening to this morning (Thursday) with my regular 22 year old GF. Met her on a dating site. It was a special week, she had the time off from her regular job and in a weak moment I said ok, come on over for that many nights. LOL.

I was still able to sneak in a brief Line chat every now and then during my time under House Arrest with my GF. And I was able to see what was happening on my ThaiFriendly, ThaiCupid, Tinder, etc. accounts a few minutes at a time while she was busy doing whatever, sleeping and so on. In just those three full days and four nights I gathered 5 seriously cute new girls to schedule on the runway for a test flight this weekend. All are from 19-29, none are fat, all have cute or pretty faces, all are perfectly fuckable (according to their photos, that is. Yes, the truth will be known later), all clicked on my profile first, only one has mentioned anything about this being a direct P4P arrangement (I wish ALL of them were that blunt. LOL) and there is no doubt that at least two of them will be more than acceptable in the flesh AND agreeable for the kind of Real Sex/True GFE I must have or no deal.

Meanwhile, even if 2-3 are not agreeable for one reason or another, I am already putting off a half dozen of my established non bargirls in my stable this day just to make room for the new ones! Can always reel them back into the boat. Plus, I am kind of anxious to hit a couple of go-go bars with a visiting buddy before he returns to the USA. Reminder; I am a mid-60s y.o. Caucasian expat.

That typical outcome for me these days is WAY better than it was for me back in the mid 1990's, at the height of the HIV/AIDS Condom Condom Condom hysteria. However, I can see that it is less fun for the go-go bar and party crowd. Then again, I was never a party guy even back in the USA when I was younger and hornier. I would often get invited to, oh let's say hot tub get togethers and orgies with many starlet type girls on tap back then. And, frankly, that just wasn't my scene even then. So it really doesn't bother me that girls in Thermae no longer grab my pecker or hop on my shoulders as I pass by in the stroll.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2325405]So it really doesn't bother me that girls in Thermae no longer grab my pecker or hop on my shoulders as I pass by in the stroll.[/QUOTE]I have never been "pecker grabbed" in the Thermae (that I recall) and am probably thankful. In 1991 girls were too demure to do that, I think. However I was grabbed by a drunk Thai male in Chatuchak (Jatujak) park in 1991 while I was walking there with a Cowboy girl, WTF? Supposedly was to check out the rumour about western males being "hung".

The idea of running the gauntlet in the Thermae with fat and ugly girls grabbing at me, does not appeal that much.

The extra slutty stuff was going on in Pat Pong in 1991 in the Kangaroo bar and Annie's Rose. One could go there in the day time, when there were almost no customers and be swamped by several girls in low lighting try to get your pants off to give blow jobs. Naturally the girls could be molested too. However they seemed to prefer to migrate to the back room to actually fuck. Maybe that was because some Thai boys (staff maybe or boyfriends) were hanging around too.

As long as some girls in the group were appealing it seemed to work okay I am not sure there was any charge for the BJs etc. As long as you bought drinks for the girls, there was no problem, and was not very expensive.

My first visit to the Kangaroo Bar with an experienced buddy I was a bit reluctant to do anything, but next visit started getting used to the idea, especially as pulling girls pants down and groping was allowed. I think I was more into doing the molesting rather than being molested.

I am sure that getting a BJ by multiple girls and having a girl stand in front of the face to give DATY while fondling some large tits and investigating pussies too was quite normal. They liked to get some daytime business. The girl who worked behind the counter was available for fucking too at the Kangaroo bar.

In those days Pat Pong girls were desperate to get customers. Normally a girl might sit next to you and put your hand straight onto her pussy immediately with no introductions. Was expected you would finger her. This happened in plenty of bars. Doing DATY in bars and receiving BBBJs not unusual.

Thermae girls were properly dressed but casual and far less raunchy in 1991. I don't recall anything particularly raunchy in the Thermae. I would describe the girls as sweet more than raunchy, and looking for a good time and a little economic assistance. My first Thermae girl did not know how to use a western toilet so climbed up and squatted on the seat naked. Ha ha. Her tits were unbelievably wide slung natural see+ cups. I had got extra lucky with that. She wasn't that shy in bed. Plenty of experience I reckon. Early 20's. I guess she forgot me, but I never forget her.

In the modern day I keep thinking of having a really raunchy night out, but when it comes to it, it is hard to find girls that do it, that are also good looking at all, and won't cost a fortune, so it just doesn't happen. Even the extra raunchy Crazy House girls are just not appealing enough for me. Too ugly or too plain. For years I had multiple girls in Suzie Wong but we never really got that raunchy in the bar, mainly on the bed later.

The really wild behaviour was definitely way cheaper long ago.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2325548]Normally a girl might sit next to you and put your hand straight onto her pussy immediately with no introductions. Was expected you would finger her. [/QUOTE]She want's the customer to finger her in the bar? That's disgusting. I would have walked out immediately.

I'll likely get a lot of flack for this but imo people who live in the past don't have anything exciting going on in their lives at the moment. This goes for mongering and life in general.

If you continually have new and exciting things to keep yourself busy whether it be girls, traveling, learning muay Thai in Thailand you will not have to dwell in the past and speak about what you've done lately.

I was getting a bit tired of every day gogo bar life of late so this week I'm in a new foreign country trying new things out.

Guys need to stop living in the past and yes there needs to be a dedicated thread for the past. Imo it's absolutely irrelevant for me to learn current Hotspots in Thailand.

The funniest part is if you read through even the oldest archives on ISG it will be full of the same stuff referring to the the good old days. Wait, weren't those negative posts made in the good old days of present?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2325574]She want's the customer to finger her in the bar? That's disgusting. I would have walked out immediately.[/QUOTE]Me too. I would never barfine a finger puppet.

[QUOTE=Kickoffs;2324888]It doesn't matter whether you believe it or not. Had no idea Thermae was such sacred spot where prices are static. But feel free to cry about it some more.

Does this mean you cannot defend yourself? LOL.[/QUOTE]You really seem to have major anger management issues.

[QUOTE=Kickoffs;2324888]Does this mean you cannot defend yourself? LOL.[/QUOTE]I don't think you noticed the recent news about a farang being chased down to a condo by a Thai cop and shot at close range. Not much defense one can put up against a loaded gun. Ya?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2324947]Of course, there are tons of recent videos of girls on the street in Bangkok and Pattaya and even sometimes in the go-go bars posted on YouTube. I think those videos are going to give you a more realistic assessment of how the girls look in a given destination than photos posted here. As I've said before, I could easily show someone (or post here) a recent photo of a girl who would look like a stone cold 9 or even a 10 but who in real life looks and comes across no better than a 6.5 or a 7. By the same token, I could show someone a photo of a girl that might elicit a guffaw of derision from a dude and, sure enough, 2 minutes after that dude meets that girl in the flesh he's hounding me for her contact info.

But with the videos you see on YouTube these days, I think you can make a fairly accurate comparison between, say, the girls of Thermae and in front of Nana Hotel in Bangkok vs the girls on Beach Road and on Soi 6 in Pattaya or wherever. Inside the go-go bars is a different matter. But the range from what you see on the streets or in front of the bars isn't really going to be wildly different behind closed doors very often.[/QUOTE]This reminds me since you brought up photos. On the dating sites, these TGs are using filters increasingly which is becoming a nuisance given that it masks how she really looks. Almost have to assume that she's not good looking if these filtered photos are all that is used.

Got the info from a girl as I walked by around 2 am. Cops shut down the place. Supposedly because of complaints about non Thai Asian women working there.

(Viet, Lao) . Supposedly the owners of the bar asked for the cops to check the ID's of women there, to escape prosecution / problems on that front.