Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Goferring;2330711]She's certainly cute and stacked but comparing some of your photos from home it begs the question why did you leave Jakarta? You could have saved the airfare and gotten better girls.[/QUOTE]I'm not in AC. I never did that girl, I was just using her as a reference to the best I have seen in AC. Great tits!

AC is a relaxed place for retired guys with too much time on their hands to hang out with young playful girls. The girls may be better looking elsewhere, but I understand the attraction of the place. I'm not retired yet, so I have no interest in it.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2330683]I don't see why you use the term idiot-proof at all. Some girls can like the deal and some not.
...[/QUOTE]Yes, I suppose in today's environment, I might say it would take a "Very Stable Genius" and only average looking bargirl at best who I am sure does not get barfined every night, especially on a Monday during Low Season, to refuse to accept 2,000 baht just to get her pussy eaten for a while with no requirement or expectation of anything else along with a definite offer to pay her more if she herself was inspired to do anything more, to not even consider countering with 2,500 baht as several other girls in the same bar have done recently almost immediately after saying "3,000 baht" and getting a cool response from the punter (even for an outright upfront agreement to provide BBFS+CIP). And particularly with a customer whom she had been groping, initiating tongue kissing and luvin' on like a horny octopus for a half hour. LOL.

Or maybe the mamasan was the "Very Stable Genius" here. I agree with you. As soon as I saw TWO mamasans zeroing in on what I would guess was the ONLY barfine possibility on the scene at the moment (me), I probably could have made and won a big money bet it would not turn out well for me or the girl.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2330695]If I'm not mistaken, she was 18 or 19 in that photo. Those tits are obviously real. And yes, she would be a top 2 or 3 in any bar in AC. Hell, she would be top 1 in the history of AC. LOL.

If you like small boobs, you and I would be good to hang out together. I can't stand small boobs so we wouldn't be going for the same girls.

Girl's bodies with tits like that seem to go to hell very quickly. If you don't get them around 18,19 or 20 years old, you are too late. She's a fat cow now.[/QUOTE]She is top 2-3 in AC bar.

But lets be honest that's not saying much (if anything) LOL.

I don't know if I would call her top 2-3 in BKK bars, I would most likely pass on her in either venue.

No offense, she's not hideous.

I wouldn't turn her down for free, I would just rather spend my money on something.

That would excite me.

That being said.

If I met her, and she was really sweet, and whispered in my ear all the crazy.

Things a good girls knows to say.

Anything is possible, and there are always more variables for me than those that can be captured in just a photo.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2330715] 2,000 baht just to get her pussy eaten.[/QUOTE]I don't know about in Thailand, but in Indonesia I know plenty of girls who would much rather be fucked than have their pussy eaten. They would definitely want to charge more to have you perfom DATY on them than to fuck them.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2330720]I don't know about in Thailand, but in Indonesia I know plenty of girls who would much rather be fucked than have their pussy eaten. They would definitely want to charge more to have you perfom DATY on them than to fuck them.[/QUOTE]We had already covered the topic of her shaved pussy and her over the top love for DATY in our conversation during the two LDs. And she had every opportunity to change or alter the terms of my offer, including the amount of money I would pay above 2,000 baht as long as she had at least some idea what else she WOULD be willing to do in the room to justify my paying her that much or even 3,000 baht. As you see in my post, I even asked her about that. But she apparently couldn't think of anything that she would be willing to do in order to earn 3,000 baht except me eating her pussy.

Nice occupation I'd say. I no longer feel bad that they get so few days off in a month.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2330720]I don't know about in Thailand, but in Indonesia I know plenty of girls who would much rather be fucked than have their pussy eaten. They would definitely want to charge more to have you perfom DATY on them than to fuck them.[/QUOTE]Or fucked instead.

But my theory is, that this, to them is a unique request.

And unique requests, justify a surcharge (call it a special request surcharge?) or a fetish surcharge?

If you would of asked to just suck her toes.

Or only kiss or only eat her ass.

I'm guessing her reaction might have been similar?

Or it could just be that she doesn't care what you want, even if you just want to talk.

She's charging you for her time.

Whether you want PSE like me? Or just want to cuddle for 60 minutes?

The rate is the same?

My theory is, if this is what you wanted, you should of asked for everything at a fair price.

And asked to renegotiate in the room.

I think you are at serious risk of ruining a deal.

But by trying to micro manage every detail (or simply getting way to specific) before hand in the bar.

Most hookers don't like that, many see it as the monger being way to controlling.

You have to be much more flexible on the fly.

I can't imagine how many deals I would have ruined if I tried to manage every detail before the session.

And I can't imagine how many life altering sex sessions I would have missed out on as a consequence.

They like to keep their options open, if someone wants iron clad assurances and some type of verbal agreement.

An oral contract of sorts, I can see this as counterproductive.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2330208]On the average, girls there in AC are less attractive (in my opinion). I think Baccara by itself has more hot girls than all of AC.

I will say that I wanted to get to AC to sample the famous Elsa a while back when she first hit the scene. She was probably the hottest girl I have seen working AC. Then again, I like girls with big natural tits.[/QUOTE]That's a great body.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2330688]Elsa's nose is not perfect but I think we can overlook that. Is it possible she has a nose job (it does look slightly strange)?[/QUOTE]Did you ever consider going to a shrink to talk about your nose job phobia? LOL.
This girl has a perfectly normal nose for a Filipina, or any other woman on the planet for that matter.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2330704] I have never ever seen a tit job looking that good and real, so they must be real. [/QUOTE]I'm almost 100% sure they are real. I've come across several girls in the Philippines with tits like that over the years. And they were all natural. Filipina's can have amazing tits. More so than Thai girls.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2330733]We had already covered the topic of her shaved pussy and her over the top love for DATY in our conversation during the two LDs. And she had every opportunity to change or alter the terms of my offer, including the amount of money I would pay above 2,000 baht as long as she had at least some idea what else she WOULD be willing to do in the room to justify my paying her that much or even 3,000 baht. As you see in my post, I even asked her about that. But she apparently couldn't think of anything that she would be willing to do in order to earn 3,000 baht except me eating her pussy.

Nice occupation I'd say. I no longer feel bad that they get so few days off in a month.[/QUOTE]You've gotten me hot for this girl. Can you share her name and her dancing number? I'll head over there tonight.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2330710]The barfine at Butterflies has been 1,000 for quite a while I think. Well, several months at least. Maybe there are times when they run an "Early Bird Special", a "Late Bird Special" or a "Weekday Special" when the barfine is reduced to 700 baht that I am not aware of. Actually, Monday was kinda sorta a holiday or a special day in that it was technically the Queen's Birthday I think. Maybe it would have been 700 baht on a regular Monday but raised 300 baht to honor the Queen. lol.

On this night, last night (Monday), I did not go into any other gogo bars. After leaving Butterflies, I went to Thermae and took a girl from there. I will post a Report on that and two previous Thermae take outs over the past 3 months later when I can devote more attention to it.[/QUOTE]Would love to hear your report on negotiation strategy on BBBJ+CIM or BBFS +CIP at thermae.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2330716]She is top 2-3 in AC bar.

But lets be honest that's not saying much (if anything) LOL.

I don't know if I would call her top 2-3 in BKK bars, I would most likely pass on her in either venue.

No offense, she's not hideous.

I wouldn't turn her down for free, I would just rather spend my money on something.

That would excite me.

That being said.

If I met her, and she was really sweet, and whispered in my ear all the crazy.

Things a good girls knows to say.

Anything is possible, and there are always more variables for me than those that can be captured in just a photo.[/QUOTE]I typed a different word with hyphens, I didn't type good girls LOL.

The best place to bareback girls in Bangcock? I will be in Thailand next week. I am now mongering in Colombia.

[QUOTE=FarangPunter;2330889]Would love to hear your report on negotiation strategy on BBBJ+CIM or BBFS +CIP at thermae.[/QUOTE]Thermae is a special challenge for getting an upfront commitment for anything off the basic, standard fare because the girls are standing or sitting close to other people. They aren't going to say yes to either of those requests if they think any other person on the planet heard you ask it or knows what you asked. I have even had girls on the left side gesture for me to come sit in a booth with them for a moment to have a more "private" conversation while there is some Japanese dude sitting right across the same table. LOL. Waste of time trying to talk about anything touchy there.

I think the best chance for getting an upfront agreement there is to leave the bar with the girl and tell her what you want on the sidewalk outside away from other people.

Of course, this is about getting an upfront agreement for those or other things, not to be confused with not mentioning anything and just "going with the flow and see what happens in the room." That appears to work fine for many guys, especially those for whom covered sex is still pretty good and acceptable anyway.

That doesn't work very well for me though. If my finishing in either of the two ways I can and will finish, BBBJ+CIM or BBFS+CIP, is important this time, I need to get an upfront agreement for it before we go to my room. And if she says no, not a big deal to me these days. Next!

The other challenge with Thermae girls is many of them are mere P4P hobbyists, not fully committed to the business the way a go-go dancer, escort or even a FL standing on the street is committed to it. It is a very comfy part time gig to show up in Thermae whenever they feel like it and see if they can pick up an extra 2,500-3,000 baht for an hour doing as little as humanly possible. And if the rare punter asks them to actually do something, put themselves out a bit for the money, that does not fit the part time job pattern they expected or are used to.

But if there is an opportunity to negotiate for something off their menu upfront, the most direct approach has worked ok for me if there is any chance at all of it working; tell her I would pay XXXX baht for boom boom no condom and wait for her reply. In my case, if it is No, I might then ask if she can finish a BJ for me the way I want. If she says No to that, too, I smile, thank her for her time and walk away from what I am sure would have been worse than a waste of time and money for me anyway.

There is no clever, tricky way to get a girl to agree upfront to something she has no interest or need to do as far as I know. Best bet is to already be (or appear to be) the kind of person she would feel good about saying Yes to. LOL. I am talking about presenting a smiley, easy going, fun, pleasant demeanor, being clean and well groomed (unless she prefers the grungy type) and, yes, sometimes letting her know I have had a vasectomy and can show a recent normal blood check result document if that helps to make her feel more comfortable.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2330710]The barfine at Butterflies has been 1,000 for quite a while I think. Well, several months at least. Maybe there are times when they run an "Early Bird Special", a "Late Bird Special" or a "Weekday Special" when the barfine is reduced to 700 baht that I am not aware of. Actually, Monday was kinda sorta a holiday or a special day in that it was technically the Queen's Birthday I think. Maybe it would have been 700 baht on a regular Monday but raised 300 baht to honor the Queen. lol.

On this night, last night (Monday), I did not go into any other gogo bars. After leaving Butterflies, I went to Thermae and took a girl from there. I will post a Report on that and two previous Thermae take outs over the past 3 months later when I can devote more attention to it.[/QUOTE]I could be wrong. I know Billboard was 700 baht and didn't remember Butterflies being different. Looking forward to your review.