Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2340958]Really? I heard the reason Thai TV shows will often have Thai subtitles even though the actors are all speaking Thai is because there are so many different regional Thai dialects, some regions might have trouble understanding what the actors are saying and they need subtitles. Like a thick Cockney dialect in London.

Are the vowels not a factor from region to region in Thailand?[/QUOTE]It's just for ease and also the fact that on some shows the characters may not be speaking Thai but a regional dialect that Bangkokers maybe wouldn't fully understand. They also use the subtitles to render what's being said with correct grammar. Important for on site news interview situations where locals speaking may not care to follow or don't know how to use proper grammar. Pronunciation (including vowels) and word usage here varies region to region just like any other country but the subtitles are mainly for the reasons above.

[QUOTE=DFWdude;2341579]I have been enjoying sex holidays in Germany for over 10 years now, and looking to change things up. Bareback sex is pretty openly available all over Germany. I know it is as well in Philippines. Bangkok is a lot easier for me to get to. Just wondering the availability of bareback sex in Bangkok? Where to look and how much up charge?[/QUOTE]It can be found anywhere but it's probably better to just find a girl you like first and discuss it with her privately since it's not exactly advertised. And would you really want to go with a girl who someone says will 100% go bareback with any random guy she meets?

So I've been to Bangkok twice and both times I went here based on reports. Unfortunately, both times I didn't have a very good experience. The first time I got two girls. They were both very cute and one of them moved extraordinarily well, but neither came as advertised. Neither would do bareback BJ or CIM and they refused to do anything with each other or even with me at the same time. So basically, I had sex with one girl as the other watched and then they switched. I should have done a better job securing everything I wanted before we got to the hotel, but I know some of it was agreed on. Which brings me to the 2nd time. Again, I found a very pretty girl, went to the hotel the bar has available, but when we got there she suddenly didn't do CIM or COF. I know we agreed on it, but she said that she didn't understand English and it was a bad communication. She seemed to understand English fine when it suited her. To top it off, she said she needed to stop for something at the store and then she asked me to buy the condoms, which I was fine with, but that also included some deodorant and a drink. I found it embarrassing to go into a well-lit store with tourists with a girl who I was obviously paying to have sex with. I'm pretty sure I could have gotten my money back if I complained since we didn't do much, but decided to move on.

Unfortunately, I can't recall how much I paid in either case because there was the bar fine, the girl price, and the hotel price. Maybe 2000-3000?

[QUOTE=DFWdude;2341579]I have been enjoying sex holidays in Germany for over 10 years now, and looking to change things up. Bareback sex is pretty openly available all over Germany. I know it is as well in Philippines. Bangkok is a lot easier for me to get to. Just wondering the availability of bareback sex in Bangkok? Where to look and how much up charge?[/QUOTE]My experience in finding above average looking Thai girls who will agree upfront to providing bb for either the same rate or a bit more than they get from guys who never mention it has been fairly consistent for a few years now on the issue of easiest to most difficult places to get it.

In order from easiest to most difficult (for me):

Go-go girls, young and cute ones.

Non pro dating site girls.

Pro (freelancer) dating site and street girls.

Pro (freelancer) girls in Thermae.

Worst places for me, so bad I rarely even bother anymore, the wild over-reaction and erection-wilting buzzkill response is so predictable:

Massage shops of any kind anywhere including soapies and so-called PSE shops.

Beer Garden Soi 7 in Bangkok.

Anywhere in Pattaya (remember, this is about Thai girls who are at least above average in looks).

Bear in mind, I am not talking about a situation where the topic of bb, condom or no condom is never mentioned upfront and the customer just "goes with the flow" in the room. When I do that, I would be lucky if 20-25% of my overall sessions wound up with me getting BBFS+CIP, an unacceptable rate of success as far as I am concerned. But a lot of OTHER guys tell me they are getting much better results than that by "going with flow" in the room and not negotiating for it upfront. Maybe. So many variables in play.

No, I am talking about negotiating for bb upfront before taking a Thai girl you've never met or taken before. Which, if we are also talking about a Thai girl well above average in looks, is imo one of the heaviest lifts and daunting challenges in the P4P world. That mission is not for the faint of heart. Be prepared for all kinds of erection-wilting reactions, wild over-reactiions. Smile and move on to the next one. And, sure, the occasional simple, "Ok" or "Ok. How much you pay me?"

In the latter example, I find an additional 500 baht over the girl's general going rate is usually fine. Might be less than that but I just offer 500 baht more than I assume she is generally getting for basic standard covered FS. I don't bother creeping up to the magic number in 100 baht increments.

One other thought; never, never, never try to enter into an upfront negotiation for bb with a Thai girl if there is any possibility that another person or third party will overhear it or ever be aware of it, including her seeing you walking into the place or into her space with a wingman or buddy. Her answer will be NO for certain.

This particular P4P mission is a solitary pursuit in Thailand. Face and Thai culture demands it. You must treat this conversation as the most confidential and secret one in your life. If she sees you so much as walking down the street chatting it up with a friend before you separate to approach her, she has no idea what you are going to do if she says Yes to bb with you. As far as she knows you will turn around and shout across the street or across the room, "Hey, Fred! Guess what this little hottie just agreed to do for me!!"

Monger alone in Thailand if you want Thai girls to agree upfront to bb before you take them. But if you are fine with negotiating nothing so far off the basic standard covered FS fare, it really doesn't matter if you are alone or you surround her with everyone on your weekend beach volleyball team. If you agree to her usual going rate, she will probably say yes and go with you no matter what.

[QUOTE=Jingo10;2341602]Not answering your question really, but I was amazed how many girls in Manila wanted BB. Very short flight from Hong Kong and only 30 euros for a couple of hours, maybe something to consider.[/QUOTE]That mindset is the Catholic Church's gift to mongers in the Philippines.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2341713]

In order from easiest to most difficult (for me):

Go-go girls, young and cute ones.

Non pro dating site girls.

Pro (freelancer) dating site and street girls.

Pro (freelancer) girls in Thermae.

[/QUOTE]I agree here. I'd just switch gogo girls with the non pro girls. I can't remember the last time I used a condom with a normal girl or non-pro. It just doesn't even come up.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2341713]Massage shops of any kind anywhere including soapies and so-called PSE shops.[/QUOTE]Interesting, as I have found most all gals at the PSE shops will let you skin it.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2341741]Interesting, as I have found most all gals at the PSE shops will let you skin it.[/QUOTE]Yeah, but there are only what 3-4 truly PSE shops these days? There are literally hundreds of other massage shops around town where you won't find many girls willing to go skin on skin with you.

[QUOTE=Ixgzca;2341792]Yeah, but there are only what 3-4 truly PSE shops these days? There are literally hundreds of other massage shops around town where you won't find many girls willing to go skin on skin with you.[/QUOTE]Correct and many of the gals in those places are trying to get away with CBJ as well.

What is a PSE shop?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2341860]What is a PSE shop?[/QUOTE]Shops like Tulip, Snow White, and Cherry that provide a "porn star experience. " Multiple pops, BBBJCIM, rimming, and with a large percentage of gals A+ all on the menu.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2341867]Shops like Tulip, Snow White, and Cherry that provide a "porn star experience. " Multiple pops, BBBJCIM, rimming, and with a large percentage of gals A+ all on the menu.[/QUOTE]Good to know. When I was in Medellin, some guy asked me where he could find a porn star experience. I had no clue what he was talking about. This clarifies it. Now that I know, I don't know why he was asking. Most of the girls I was with in Medellin gave me a PSE.

I've never been to those places you mentioned. However, I have had plenty of girls in Bangkok give me the PSE in my room.

[QUOTE=KBfjm;2341404]Thank you for the helpful report EihTooms![/QUOTE]Yes thanks indeed! It's is good to get some info from Patpong.

I plan on staying in the area in a few weeks skipping the Suk and the squalor there is kind of depressing. Though I probably will make a couple of trips out there to check things out.

I was there a couple of years ago with Banana Boy (before KC1 moved to their new diggs) and I had a blast. I was pretty impressed with the quality of girls especially at KC1 and Pink Panther and also by a couple of random girls working the bars. I hope I can repeat my luck on this upcoming visit.

But, sadly it sounds form your report that, as far as the negatives go (older and uglier girls, too many tats) Patpong is really not all that different from the lower scale gogos in Nana, SC or Patts.

Maybe I will try my luck with the Jap places?

I was in Patpong last night. I was only able to visit three go gos there. Pink Panther had a very solid selection. I also visited KC (not KC 1 or KC 2). I almost pulled the trigger with a 30 yr old blonde that looked 25 yrs old. Asking price was B800 barfine and B3000 for the girl. I almost went with her but changed my mind at the last minute. The problem for me is that there were ladyboys mixed in with the dancers there. I hate mixed bars. Walked into KC1 at 10 pm on this Sunday night. The girls looked good but there were no seats available so I left. Uncle V has me convinced that staying in the Patpong area would be a nice change of pace. I need to find a nice hotel near there. Now that I'm in my late 60's, I try to stay close to the action. This heat just kills me.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2341870]Good to know. When I was in Medellin, some guy asked me where he could find a porn star experience. I had no clue what he was talking about. This clarifies it. Now that I know, I don't know why he was asking. Most of the girls I was with in Medellin gave me a PSE.

I've never been to those places you mentioned. However, I have had plenty of girls in Bangkok give me the PSE in my room.[/QUOTE]I would say pse also includes swallow or at least CIP.