Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2326456]Combo. Where exactly is niquitao? I want to check it out.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]I don't know the technical boundaries, but I'd guess Cra 44 and CL 44 and a bit up the hill from there. Cuidado.

[QUOTE=Jooks;2326487]Recently retired and moved to Laureles. Mongering had little to do with my decision, but it surely played a part.

I finally had some time to partake in activities after a month of taking care of this and that. As a tourist, I relied on FB, Tinder, Seeking Arrangements, etc. Never clubs. I decided to check out Oriental Spa because it's close and my preference is for a good massage with a he. I wasn't impressed, though I may return. The girls ranged from 2-7 with an average of 4. Then again, it was only 12 pm.

Sex has evolved with me to the point I'm happiest with a good massage and he from a not so mechanical provider with decent looks. Can someone steer me to a place that fits the bill?[/QUOTE]I would suggest hitting up the regular spas. You'll at least get the good massage and I imagine you can find one or two masseuses who are willing to offer a handshake for a reasonable propina. Might have to hit a few of them to find a winner.

[QUOTE=Jooks;2326372]Oriental Spa? Thoughts? Anything else?

Thanks![/QUOTE]Energy is one of the better ones in that area.

If anyone has any recent experience visiting casas like new life, energy, Loutron, the popular and good ones, please share experience. Visiting this week and want some honest and recent input of where the better service is to be had. I'll also update you all when I arrive later this week.

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2326442]I prefer Laureles over Parque Lleras. Plenty of places to listen to music and drink, Prices much cheaper. Parque lleras is a sex tourist park where all the young colombianas try to gouch unsuspecting touristas. Fun to see it and visit but I prefer Laureles.[/QUOTE]Great advice. Would you recommend I stay all 11 nights at the same place in Laureles? I kinda wanted to break it up into 2 spots for the trip.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2326545]I would suggest hitting up the regular spas. You'll at least get the good massage and I imagine you can find one or two masseuses who are willing to offer a handshake for a reasonable propina. Might have to hit a few of them to find a winner.[/QUOTE]What's a good foot massage go for? I'm not sure I can give up 250 baht foot massages.

Hello,

Before my next trip, I read info here. So now I have some knowledge about the prices in Medellin.

Also I talk with few girls in photoprepagos.

Average prices 160-200 milcop. The best (in my opinion) 200-30 for 1 hour.

One of the girl sent me photo and suggest this girl for 650 cop in hour, + 100 anal.

Yes, I understand that it is very high price, but what your opinion? Can I met such type of the girls in La Isla or Fase 2 cheaper?

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2326453].......... just for the shit and giggles of it drove over to Park Lleras, this was the first visit back here in probably a year and my gut tells me that I hate the vibe, nothing special at all for me. To each his own...........[/QUOTE]Park Lleras is a place for solo mongers who miss home and want to hook up with countrymen. It never disappoints in that respect.

[QUOTE=Northstar1;2326410]I have a Question regarding mileroticos and photoprepagos. Some of the ads sound like they're FBSM not Full Service and I recall the BP and craigslist days when FBSM providers would have ambiguous ads that sounded like they were FS when they actually weren't. You could usually screen for this by their hhr and HR pricing. What got me suspicious is that the 60 and 90 mil "special" ladies are just as hot as the ones who are quoting 180 mil but many don't mention "vaginal relaciones" specifically, so I'm wondering if not everyone is providing sex and if that means I have to actively screen for it. I'm not a BJ guy so I could care less about CBJ or BBBJ, but full service is non-negotiable for me. Of course I'll ask them directly when I see someone of particular interest, but because I'm short on time and my Spanish isn't great, I'd like to ask the more experienced mongers here: is full service a given or can you find yourself in a no-sex situation if you fail to clarify in advance? Again, I'm referring to the mileroticos and photoprepagos ladies.

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]Just message them with WhatsApp and ask them. Tell them your Spanish is bad and use Google translate. You may be able to line up some real Gems.

Read the forum, the information is accurate and up to date. The prices listed may be a few pesos lower than now but nothing significant.

[QUOTE=DannyBoy99;2326549]If anyone has any recent experience visiting casas like new life, energy, Loutron, the popular and good ones, please share experience. Visiting this week and want some honest and recent input of where the better service is to be had. I'll also update you all when I arrive later this week.[/QUOTE]

It is also a place where people can reconnect to the prices of home. It is why the places slightly off the beaten track that cater to locals and charge local prices (E. G. Mondongos) are always packed to the gills, but you can always get a table at Basilica / Al Rojo.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2326748]Park Lleras is a place for solo mongers who miss home and want to hook up with countrymen. It never disappoints in that respect.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2326748]Park Lleras is a place for solo mongers who miss home and want to hook up with countrymen. It never disappoints in that respect.[/QUOTE]I'm a solo monger (very anti social, recluse, hermit, whatever you want to call it), how is the mongering scene like in Park Lleras; are there casas, strip clubs, massage parlours there & short time hotels there? Also what are the prices?

Hi, Difficult to answer your question as I don't know what your likes and dislikes are? Most guys here prefer to stay in el centro, or Parque Llerars / Poblado or Laureles. So it is a personal choice. I stay in Laureles as it is only a 12 minute ride to Parque Lleras if I get the urge to go or if I am going to meet someone there. El Centro is not for everyone, but that is only my opinion.

[QUOTE=BayMonger;2326565]Great advice. Would you recommend I stay all 11 nights at the same place in Laureles? I kinda wanted to break it up into 2 spots for the trip.[/QUOTE]

Hi Blue Touch, I heard that Evigado is very nice. Can you give us some detail? Is it like Laureles? What it the atmosphere like? Chica places?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2326457]Plus Envigado.[/QUOTE]

Massage at Oriental Spa kind of places is pretty bad. So if you want a good massage. Find a real massage place. Don't mix massage and mongering.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2326545]I would suggest hitting up the regular spas. You'll at least get the good massage and I imagine you can find one or two masseuses who are willing to offer a handshake for a reasonable propina. Might have to hit a few of them to find a winner.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BayMonger;2326565]Great advice. Would you recommend I stay all 11 nights at the same place in Laureles? I kinda wanted to break it up into 2 spots for the trip.[/QUOTE]I would not recommend staying in Laureles for your entire trip. Laureles is very nice, and a lot of the gringos you will see there live there with some tourists staying there as well. I suspect you will get board there after a few days and would recommend you spend some of your time near Parque Lleras. I personally don't like it there, however there are some very nice surrounding barrios such as Provenza which is the next block up the hill from Parque Lleras. A very upscale area with lots of bars and restaurants frequented by young wealthy Colombians and a mixture of gringos who live in the surrounding areas. Additionally there are other barrios you can easily walk to with lots of very good restaurants in the Patio Bonito, Astorga, La Linde and Manilla barrios all within a ten minute radius of Parque Lleras. The cost of food and drink in the restaurants immediately around Parque Lleras will not be significantly more than most of the places in Laureles, however there are some very upscale restaurants in the surrounding areas I mentioned which are expensive. As far as women in Parque Lleras, they will be out later in the evenings walking around the area and if your older with gray hair and seem to be a gringo you may be approached by them. They will be easy to spot and typically will be closer to thirty versus twenty and mostly well dressed. Typically in the bars immediately surrounding Parque LLeras you will also see a lots of Colombian women having drinks with their girlfriends. If your good looking, have game, and are fluent in Spanish you may score. Again I don't like the Parque Lleras vibe, however I do eat in the upscale restaurants in the barrios I mentioned with friends because the food is good but don't monger there as the opportunities aren't worth it. You still may want to consider a few days in El Centro but it will be way different than Laureles or Parque LLeras and way cheaper. Have a good time!

OK guys, I give up. Help!

I'm mostly only into good massages with spectacular endings. Secret and Oriental Spa let me down sorely. Both were comparatively expensive 90.000 - 120.000 for an hour with mediocre women. Too much for what I got. I'm willing to go most anywhere in Medellin that's relatively safe. Unfortunately, that may leave out El Centro during the week since. I go to language school and don't get out until 4. I don't want to visit El Centro at night, at least until I know it better.

[QUOTE=RudeBwoy100;2326850]I'm a solo monger (very anti social, recluse, hermit, whatever you want to call it), how is the mongering scene like in Park Lleras; are there casas, strip clubs, massage parlours there & short time hotels there? Also what are the prices?[/QUOTE]Answer is no to all your questions. There are freelancers around the park later at night (usually after 10 pm). A majority are below average in looks. Because of so much rain at night recently, free are out walking.

[QUOTE=Magaman;2326720]What's a good foot massage go for? I'm not sure I can give up 250 baht foot massages.[/QUOTE]I don't know. I've never seen the point in just getting my feet massaged. Full body massages run from 40-70 k for 1 hour. Anything extra, if offered would be extra charge.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2326808]It is also a place where people can reconnect to the prices of home. It is why the places slightly off the beaten track that cater to locals and charge local prices (E. G. Mondongos) are always packed to the gills, but you can always get a table at Basilica / Al Rojo.[/QUOTE]Although Thaico has all their menu items at half price during daytime. 13 k and they give you a lot of food.

No its not like Laureles. In contrast to Poblado, it is the place the real, not pretending, upper-middle class people live. Good restaurants and decent people, but not for mongering.

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2326896]Hi Blue Touch, I heard that Evigado is very nice. Can you give us some detail? Is it like Laureles? What it the atmosphere like? Chica places?

Thanks.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2326921]Typically in the bars immediately surrounding Parque LLeras you will also see a lots of Colombian women having drinks with their girlfriends. If your good looking, have game, and are fluent in Spanish you may score.[/QUOTE]You forgot to add if you can talk and listen over that loud ass music.

[QUOTE=Combo;2326491]I don't know the technical boundaries, but I'd guess Cra 44 and CL 44 and a bit up the hill from there. Cuidado.[/QUOTE]Thanks, yes I know the area a little as it is just a stone throw away from the calf area, it is on San Juan but up the hill like you mention, I will check it out this week and see what I find. Gawd I am turning into a pervert, hehehe.

The Tall Man.

While I'm not a huge Lleras fan, I did go there a couple of nights with my chicas to Shupa Shots. Several street walkers seem to congregate around that area. One block from the park. Corner of Calle 10 and Cra. 38. Some look pretty good. But some look a little young. Check cedulas. Others might differ in opinion, but if you are a gringo walking around alone in Lleras, try to avoid talking to girls in the park itself. The cops look down on that and may well stop you and hassle you a bit. Go on the side streets. They (the chicas) will find you.

On a related note, on the way from Lleras to my apartment, our Uber got stopped by a roadside police check. I think this was my third or fourth time being involved in a stop. If you are new and this happens to you, don't panic (unless you have something illegal on you). They really had no interest in me. They asked to see my passport. I pulled out the copy and they did not even bother to look at it. They were much more concerned about checking the driver and the two girls. Cedulas, pat-down for drugs or weapons, and confirming that their cell phones were not stolen property. Ultimately let us go without issue. Just a hassle.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2327005]Answer is no to all your questions. There are freelancers around the park later at night (usually after 10 pm). A majority are below average in looks. Because of so much rain at night recently, free are out walking.[/QUOTE]

I've stayed at Envigado multiple times before and enjoyed the area and atmosphere. It's definitely less gringo than Poblado, but only about 10 minute cab ride south. It is middle class and has a significant retiree population. It's not a mongering hunting ground, which is why I like it. Great place to stay if you are looking for some non pro action. Stay near Parque Envigado, lots of great restaurants in the Jardines neighborhood and the Bota is Envigado's zona rosa, sorta like mini-Lleras, but without the gringos and the rip off pricing. If you want to go even more local, head a little further south to Sabaneta especially Parque Sabaneta which is a great place to people watch.

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2326896]Hi Blue Touch, I heard that Evigado is very nice. Can you give us some detail? Is it like Laureles? What it the atmosphere like? Chica places?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2327027]While I'm not a huge Lleras fan, I did go there a couple of nights with my chicas to Shupa Shots. Several street walkers seem to congregate around that area. One block from the park. Corner of Calle 10 and Cra. 38. Some look pretty good. But some look a little young. Check cedulas. Others might differ in opinion, but if you are a gringo walking around alone in Lleras, try to avoid talking to girls in the park itself. The cops look down on that and may well stop you and hassle you a bit. Go on the side streets. They (the chicas) will find you.

On a related note, on the way from Lleras to my apartment, our Uber got stopped by a roadside police check. I think this was my third or fourth time being involved in a stop. If you are new and this happens to you, don't panic (unless you have something illegal on you). They really had no interest in me. They asked to see my passport. I pulled out the copy and they did not even bother to look at it. They were much more concerned about checking the driver and the two girls. Cedulas, pat-down for drugs or weapons, and confirming that their cell phones were not stolen property. Ultimately let us go without issue. Just a hassle.[/QUOTE]What is the price range there?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2327006]I don't know. I've never seen the point in just getting my feet massaged. Full body massages run from 40-70 k for 1 hour. Anything extra, if offered would be extra charge.[/QUOTE]You've obviously never been to Thailand. I became a huge fan of footies in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2326921]I would not recommend staying in Laureles for your entire trip. Laureles is very nice, and a lot of the gringos you will see there live there with some tourists staying there as well. I suspect you will get board there after a few days and would recommend you spend some of your time near Parque Lleras. I personally don't like it there, however there are some very nice surrounding barrios such as Provenza which is the next block up the hill from Parque Lleras. A very upscale area with lots of bars and restaurants frequented by young wealthy Colombians and a mixture of gringos who live in the surrounding areas. Additionally there are other barrios you can easily walk to with lots of very good restaurants in the Patio Bonito, Astorga, La Linde and Manilla barrios all within a ten minute radius of Parque Lleras. The cost of food and drink in the restaurants immediately around Parque Lleras will not be significantly more than most of the places in Laureles, however there are some very upscale restaurants in the surrounding areas I mentioned which are expensive. As far as women in Parque Lleras, they will be out later in the evenings walking around the area and if your older with gray hair and seem to be a gringo you may be approached by them.[/QUOTE]Thank you for this. I will take your advice. And stay closer to Lleras, but in a nearby neighborhood.

Now this begs the question. Do I fly to Bogota for a few days instead? Or save it for the next trip? This is my first time to Colombia. Seasoned monger with decent Spanish skills.

I have 11 nights. Was going to do only Medellín but maybe I sneak away to Bogota for a few days?

[QUOTE=Combo;2326491]I don't know the technical boundaries, but I'd guess Cra 44 and CL 44 and a bit up the hill from there. Cuidado.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=TheTallMan;2327026]Thanks, yes I know the area a little as it is just a stone throw away from the calf area, it is on San Juan but up the hill like you mention, I will check it out this week and see what I find. Gawd I am turning into a pervert, hehehe.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Combo, about an hour after I responded to this post yesterday evening I figured what the hell go check it out, so 30 minutes later (Sunday night about 9 PM) I drove those blocks around Cr 44 and CL 44 and although this area does have some possibilities the main issue is that this area is filled with residential apartments and houses which is why the "calf area" just 4 blocks away is so much more attractive to the street walkers as it is located in a commercial / industrial area, when the sun goes down and the businesses (ie car mechanic shops and metal fabrication and car dealerships) roll down their metal doors shut the complete area is transformed into a very sketchy area ripe for late night fun.

After I finished my "tour" I headed to the calf area and found my 18 yo cutie that spent the night with me last week, she was more than ready and willing to hope in my car. She was looking so cute wearing those short cut-off jeans and ambercrombie and fitch halter top so I scoped her up and off to the love motel 8 minutes away.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2327311]Combo, about an hour after I responded to this post yesterday evening I figured what the hell go check it out, so 30 minutes later (Sunday night about 9 PM) I drove those blocks around Cr 44 and CL 44 and although this area does have some possibilities the main issue is that this area is filled with residential apartments and houses which is why the "calf area" just 4 blocks away is so much more attractive to the street walkers as it is located in a commercial / industrial area, when the sun goes down and the businesses (ie car mechanic shops and metal fabrication and car dealerships) roll down their metal doors shut the complete area is transformed into a very sketchy area ripe for late night fun.

After I finished my "tour" I headed to the calf area and found my 18 yo cutie that spent the night with me last week, she was more than ready and willing to hope in my car. She was looking so cute wearing those short cut-off jeans and ambercrombie and fitch halter top so I scoped her up and off to the love motel 8 minutes away.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Nice. I will have to check out your area next visit. Although, I don't have the luxury of having my own car in MDE. I've had a taxi driver take me around some areas, including Niquitao, late at night with some luck. Also a bit closer to San Diego and some areas around Centro. I'm generally more up-market (I actually like Poblado as well as Laureles), but sometimes it's a thrill to check out the creepier areas! With patience, it can be rewarding.

Hey guys,

I'll be in Medellin this week. I got a good sense of pretty much everything from this thread. From pricing, to casas, to dance clubs, gentlemen clubs, everything. I will say that while pricing seems to be a debate, most girls on photo prepagos are asking much more than what some of you have indicated. This is where I want to ask for some last minute advice. I will be staying in Parque Lleras. So I want to go out and find the girls, maybe work it out then. Where would you recommend to check out or walk around (restaurant nearby so I can google) so I can have some good luck. Also I will be trying to catch the warriors vs raptors game this Thursday so if anyone has any place to checkout for the game I would really appreciate. I will be going to Cartagena and will be there for games 2 and 3.

Thanks to all of the brethren who have helped us rookies with all the questions and I look forward to sharing my insight when I come back.

[QUOTE=DannyBoy99;2327500]

I'll be in Medellin this week. I got a good sense of pretty much everything from this thread. From pricing, to casas, to dance clubs, gentlemen clubs, everything. I will say that while pricing seems to be a debate, most girls on photo prepagos are asking much more than what some of you have indicated.[/QUOTE]Because they smell fresh fish.

[QUOTE=DannyBoy99;2327500]
This is where I want to ask for some last minute advice. I will be staying in Parque Lleras.[/QUOTE]A lot of tourists stay in Parque Lleras. Expect to pay tourist prices. Centro (downtown) is more real but also more dangerous. Medellin is mostly a casa scene. Use the casa map but keep in mind some of the casas are just filthy.

I have been going to Medellin now just about every 2 months for a week or so. I don't frequent Parque Lleras but I go even less to El Centro if at all. I rely on my facebook connections which works fine with me.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2327525]Because they smell fresh fish.

A lot of tourists stay in Parque Lleras. Expect to pay tourist prices. Centro (downtown) is more real but also more dangerous. Medellin is mostly a casa scene. Use the casa map but keep in mind some of the casas are just filthy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DannyBoy99;2327500]Hey guys,

I'll be in Medellin this week. I got a good sense of pretty much everything from this thread. From pricing, to casas, to dance clubs, gentlemen clubs, everything. I will say that while pricing seems to be a debate, most girls on photo prepagos are asking much more than what some of you have indicated. [/QUOTE]How much are they asking. 150 k to 200 k not including taxi is the standard rate for a WG coming to your hotel room.

[QUOTE=DannyBoy99;2327500]Hey guys,

I'll be in Medellin this week. I got a good sense of pretty much everything from this thread. From pricing, to casas, to dance clubs, gentlemen clubs, everything. I will say that while pricing seems to be a debate, most girls on photo prepagos are asking much more than what some of you have indicated. This is where I want to ask for some last minute advice. I will be staying in Parque Lleras. So I want to go out and find the girls, maybe work it out then. Where would you recommend to check out or walk around (restaurant nearby so I can google) so I can have some good luck. Also I will be trying to catch the warriors vs raptors game this Thursday so if anyone has any place to checkout for the game I would really appreciate. I will be going to Cartagena and will be there for games 2 and 3.

Thanks to all of the brethren who have helped us rookies with all the questions and I look forward to sharing my insight when I come back.[/QUOTE]

Photoprepagos listing are mostly agency and they will inevitably have their cut. So if you see 220 k, I doubt the girl is getting more than 150 k of that. I have not used the agencies but perhaps people with that experience can weigh in on it. It may not be a bad way to meet the talent however. As to Parque Lleras, forget it, you are not finding action there for less than 250-300 K in my assessment and it won't necessarily be top shelf either. If you want to go to the rip off club up the elevator and pay silly money then you can.

If you have not done the work of building up your FB contacts, it can still be done within a week, but otherwise the upper end casas or fase dos are your best bet. Fase dos will nearly always have a few good ones. Downtown casas can't be beat price wise but rooms are dirty and safety can be an issue occasionally. For me the tradeoffs are not worth it. If you go my best advise is to stay where people are, fewer people and more isolated a street, the more danger you are in as a gringo. So when people say downtown is dangerous, that is a blanket statement. I don't often see solid safety recommendations.
I know it has been said before but if you got no language, no game, no looks etc. Your best bet is probably the mansion where things are served up buffet style. But there is day to day variation. Local guides can also be good sources but they will have their cut, even so, it could be a way to build your contact book. Safety is an issue there, but with good common sense precautions mentioned all over this board, you can mitigate the risk.

In general Medellin and Colombia works out better for the frequent visitors and those living there compared to the one and done visitor. Heck I think most of the guys who have been going for years, probably have no reason to be reading on this board. Their contacts are so good and deep that they need not go far beyond them. Very few of them share however.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2327540]How much are they asking. 150 k to 200 k not including taxi is the standard rate for a WG coming to your hotel room.[/QUOTE]And this standard rate is according to what or whom?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2327566]And this standard rate is according to what or whom?[/QUOTE]He's talking about the average prepago in Medellin. Not rates downtown.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2327567]He's talking about the average prepago in Medellin. Not rates downtown.[/QUOTE]I am not talking about downtown either. In 2 seconds I randomly pulled one up for 110,000 and some for 130,000. Shit, I even see a 75,000! I did notice many for 150,000 though. But of the ones that have prices listed I saw no 200,000s. And again, these rates can always be negotiated when you are ready to do business. So I am just wondering how he came up with declaring those figures he named as standard.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2327566]And this standard rate is according to what or whom?[/QUOTE]Instead of WG from photoprepagos, I should have said FB chicas. I am talking to 50 FB chicas on my messenger. Out of these 50 most of them are ok with for 150 k+taxi. Very few ask 200 k+taxi. Maybe my opening should be 100 k+taxi seeing that most of them are accepting my 150 k offer but I didn't bother.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2327614]Instead of WG from photoprepagos, I should have said FB chicas. I am talking to 50 FB chicas on my messenger.[/QUOTE]Cool. Whenever someone posts a chick's fb and I click on it, I see that we have at least 5 male friends in common. Why is everyone running around fucking the same few fb chicks when there are tons of women from other sites to be had for even cheaper? I don't get what makes fb so special.

Same thing in a couple of groups I am in. Guys post about the same 7 chicks that are in the corner of just 1 of the clubs when there are 100 clubs and tens of thousands of hookers around here in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2327627]Cool. Whenever someone posts a chick's fb and I click on it, I see that we have at least 5 male friends in common. Why is everyone running around fucking the same few fb chicks when there are tons of women from other sites to be had for even cheaper? I don't get what makes fb so special.

Same thing in a couple of groups I am in. Guys post about the same 7 chicks that are in the corner of just 1 of the clubs when there are 100 clubs and tens of thousands of hookers around here in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Because many guys believe they are improving their chance of a good time if they follow the same path everyone else is on. It's why the Mansion is never hurting for customers. It's why, whenever someone mentions one of the local pimps, 50 guys want contact info. It's why any girl who gets a good review generates a new thread of people wanting to see her.

What makes FB so special depends on the person. Others prefer to find girls off the street, in the clubs or at regular bars and restaurants. Are any of those methods more special than FB?

For me, there's a few reasons. First, it's 1 stop shopping. If I want someone now (meaning I'm ready to wait 2-3 hours beginning now), I can open messenger, see who is online, select one that interests me and 5 minutes later she's on her way, at least she'll claim to be on the way. To get the same selection, I would need to hit at least 5 different strip clubs, or 12 different casas.

FB also gives me more information about the girls. It's easy to get a more detailed view of the person. Is she a party animal? Does she have a gringo sugar daddy? Is she in a relationship? How many kids? Is she really a student, or does she really have a day job?

Maybe the best thing about FB is it connects you to the entire web of interrelated contacts. At any time I can go to FB and within 15 minutes I can find at least 50 new possible girls. I can find friends, cousins, sisters and even mothers of the girls. It takes some time to get a good list built up, but once it's built, it snowballs.

It might cost a little more, but not much more. Get a street girl and spend 30-40 k for 20 minutes. Go to a casa and spend 50 k for 30 minutes plus 20 k for round trip taxi. Get a FB girl and spend 150-200 k for 2 hours, plus 20 k for taxi.

Hello from Armenia,

Armenia is a must see for beautiful women gorgeous scenery exceptional weather.

Hotel 35 pesos a night. 12 USA.

Weed really cheap.

Let me know when your coming I can assist with everything here including chicas hotels pickup at airport in Willey jeep. Contact me for photos of Armenia.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2327569]I am not talking about downtown either. In 2 seconds I randomly pulled one up for 110,000 and some for 130,000. Shit, I even see a 75,000! I did notice many for 150,000 though. But of the ones that have prices listed I saw no 200,000s. And again, these rates can always be negotiated when you are ready to do business. So I am just wondering how he came up with declaring those figures he named as standard.[/QUOTE]You realize 150,000 is for when these girls want you to come to them right? Anytime you tell them that you want theme to come to you, they immediately ask for a minimum of 75 k-100 k additional just for that.

And then if someone wants things like oral natural and Greek etc that could run up another additional 50-100 k.

So in total you are looking at a minimum of 250-300 k to start unless you are willing to travel to her (and who the hell wants to do that in a foreign country with a prepago) and want nothing extra besides the basic CBJ and CFS and that's it which then would be those low prices that you saw.

[QUOTE=RyanArmenia;2327780]Hello from Armenia,

Armenia is a must see for beautiful women gorgeous scenery exceptional weather.

Hotel 35 pesos a night. 12 USA.

Weed really cheap.

Let me know when your coming I can assist with everything here including chicas hotels pickup at airport in Willey jeep. Contact me for photos of Armenia.[/QUOTE]How do we contact you? What else is there to do during the day in Armenia?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2327742]Maybe the best thing about FB is it connects you to the entire web of interrelated contacts. At any time I can go to FB and within 15 minutes I can find at least 50 new possible girls. I can find friends, cousins, sisters and even mothers of the girls. It takes some time to get a good list built up, but once it's built, it snowballs.

It might cost a little more, but not much more. Get a street girl and spend 30-40 k for 20 minutes. Go to a casa and spend 50 k for 30 minutes plus 20 k for round trip taxi. Get a FB girl and spend 150-200 k for 2 hours, plus 20 k for taxi.[/QUOTE]Yes, but compare the fb thing to the other sex websites that you can choose chicks from. You don't have to search for anything and you don't need any new "possible" girls because you already know what all of them are there for.

Hello mates,

I will be in Medellin from 31st to 3rd, and would like to know if ibis, is girl friendly?

Have any one stayed there.

I hope this helps put things in perspective. One of the better looking girls I know from the Centro casas told me she also works the Gringo Inn where she can get 200 k to 300 k. What does it all mean? It means the extra dough is for convenience and the accommodations. It's not about the girl. As someone mentioned, guys who visit regularly have contacts. It doesn't take long to build contacts unless we limit ourselves to online girls and the Gringo Inn.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2327614]Instead of WG from photoprepagos, I should have said FB chicas. I am talking to 50 FB chicas on my messenger. Out of these 50 most of them are ok with for 150 k+taxi. Very few ask 200 k+taxi. Maybe my opening should be 100 k+taxi seeing that most of them are accepting my 150 k offer but I didn't bother.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2327551]Photoprepagos listing are mostly agency and they will inevitably have their cut. So if you see 220 k, I doubt the girl is getting more than 150 k of that. I have not used the agencies but perhaps people with that experience can weigh in on it. It may not be a bad way to meet the talent however. As to Parque Lleras, forget it, you are not finding action there for less than 250-300 K in my assessment and it won't necessarily be top shelf either. If you want to go to the rip off club up the elevator and pay silly money then you can.

If you have not done the work of building up your FB contacts, it can still be done within a week, but otherwise the upper end casas or fase dos are your best bet. Fase dos will nearly always have a few good ones. Downtown casas can't be beat price wise but rooms are dirty and safety can be an issue occasionally. For me the tradeoffs are not worth it. If you go my best advise is to stay where people are, fewer people and more isolated a street, the more danger you are in as a gringo. So when people say downtown is dangerous, that is a blanket statement. I don't often see solid safety recommendations..[/QUOTE]So true that there is nothing like living here in Medellin and over some time you gradually develop regulars, I have 3 or 4 sweethearts that are my ATF's at the moment anyway, hehehe.

Sometimes these girls, usually non-pros or the girl next door type who I meet through a friend (loving this type) and they at some point or another have an emergency and need some quick pesos, guess who they call? They call Daddy the pervert! Like today, I have not heard from this 19 yo in a year, literally a year and a few months, and BAMM she lights up my whatsapp this morning, she needed some help so being the helpful pervert told her to come over, ah what a cute sweetheart, here on my bed, not a blemish on her body, perfect body and titties, um-um, white porcelain skin, cute smile, all natural, dresses like she is modeling for ambercrombi and fitch, got to love Medellin.

But this takes time and patience and effort but the rewards are enormous.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2327954]Yes, but compare the fb thing to the other sex websites that you can choose chicks from. You don't have to search for anything and you don't need any new "possible" girls because you already know what all of them are there for.[/QUOTE]The key phrase there is "you don't know."

How often have guys complained about girls from mileroticos or Photoprepagos not being the same as the pictures? How many are using pics from 3 years and 2 kids ago? On those sites you're getting the minimum info. You don't know how many kids she has. You don't know how long she's been in the business. You don't know if she looks anything like her pictures.

With FB, I know how many kids, approximate ages, what her friends look like, what type of music, food and drink she likes, whether or not she uses drugs and which ones, and so much more. To me, that helps, because I expect and almost always get a different type of encounter from FB. There isn't any clock to worry about. There is almost never an issue with BBBJ and never an upcharge. There's time to talk about whatever. From FB, I already know areas that will get a good reaction. Pets, kids, music, clubs. No issue with trying to find a subject she has an opinion on.

With the "possible" girls, they just get added. Except for a few that I keep connected with, even the hardest putas are "possibles. " I don't mess with any of them until I'm ready to make a buying decision. Then it takes 5 minutes to figure out if they're interested and how much it'll cost.

With the other websites, I would just as soon go to a casa. I can visit 4 casas in 30 minutes, see from 20 to 40 girls, get an impression of each one and make a choice. It's cheaper, I am better able to make an informed decision and I've got a wide variety to choose from. No talking, no relaxing, get busy and get out.

All the above is just my opinion. FB works best for me, based on my expectations and comfort zone.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2327994]So true that there is nothing like living here in Medellin and over some time you gradually develop regulars, I have 3 or 4 sweethearts that are my ATF's at the moment anyway, hehehe.

Sometimes these girls, usually non-pros or the girl next door type who I meet through a friend (loving this type) and they at some point or another have an emergency and need some quick pesos, guess who they call? They call Daddy the pervert! Like today, I have not heard from this 19 yo in a year, literally a year and a few months, and BAMM she lights up my whatsapp this morning, she needed some help so being the helpful pervert told her to come over, ah what a cute sweetheart, here on my bed, not a blemish on her body, perfect teenie body and titties, um-um, white porcelain skin, cute smile, all natural, dresses like she is modeling for ambercrombi and fitch, got to love Medellin.

But this takes time and patience and effort but the rewards are enormous.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Tall Man, do you have any tips for meeting these types of girls? Where can we find them, or how can we have other locals present us to them?

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2327994]So true that there is nothing like living here in Medellin [/QUOTE]I thought you wrote that you don't have a cedula. How do you manage to live in Medellin without one? What kind of visa allows one to live in Medellin without a cedula?

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[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2328062]I thought you wrote that you don't have a cedula. How do you manage to live in Medellin without one? What kind of visa allows one to live in Medellin without a cedula?[/QUOTE]You can live in Colombia for up to six months a year without a Cedula, either by exiting the Country after being issued a 90 day tourist visa and returning again or having it extended.

To obtain a Cedula there are many ways to do so such as obtaining a visa as a student, a retiree, or an investor. Basically, without a Cedula in Colombia you cannot open a bank account, obtain EPM (electrical / water / gas) service if your renting an unfurnished apartment, obtain Internet (CLARO, etc.). The Colombian Cedula is basically the equivalent in the USA of an Identification / Social Security Card which is utilized for everything. As an example, when buying groceries or a bus ticket when someone gives them their Cedula number, their name will automatically pop up in the "system". You can also travel domestically by air with only a Cedula in Colombia just like in the US with just a drivers license.

It can be complicated. A foreigner can be in Colombia on various kinds of tourist / visitor / student visas for up to 6 months without being a so-called "tax resident" who has to pay Colombian taxes, sometimes in addition to tax liabilities in a home country. A cedula is not the same thing as a visa. There are many websites dedicated to this subject. Going back on topic, in Colombia and everywhere else I've spent time, there are more opportunities available to longer term visitors than there are to shorter term visitors.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2328062]I thought you wrote that you don't have a cedula. How do you manage to live in Medellin without one? What kind of visa allows one to live in Medellin without a cedula?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2328062]I thought you wrote that you don't have a cedula. How do you manage to live in Medellin without one? What kind of visa allows one to live in Medellin without a cedula?[/QUOTE]Correct no cedula yet, another year so spending most of each year here. I can hardly imagine what it will be like when I am here full time.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2327742]

FB also gives me more information about the girls. It's easy to get a more detailed view of the person. Is she a party animal? Does she have a gringo sugar daddy? Is she in a relationship? How many kids? Is she really a student, or does she really have a day job?
[/QUOTE]True. Its interesting to see your hookers life story and her daily life before calling her.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2327742]I can find friends, cousins, sisters and even mothers of the girls. It takes some time to get a good list built up, but once it's built, it snowballs.
[/QUOTE]Are the cousins also open of business if they don't have many Gringos in their friendlist? Or you have to first fuck the girl and then ask her if she has any cousins who would be open for such an arrangement?

So I'm sitting inside of Loutron Spa at the end of my visit writing this.

First off drinks are 10 k. They charge 300 k for one hour for one time. I should have talked to the chick to make sure there was no surprise charge like kissing. I chose Daniela, she was hot it's just it wasn't the best experience. No massage, felt rushed, and honestly I won't be coming back to this place. Not worth the money. I'll see new life tomorrow, but first Fase Dos or La Isla tonight. I'm also planning to walk around I feel like I will get a lot better rates and service by finding someone.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2328238]It can be complicated. A foreigner can be in Colombia on various kinds of tourist / visitor / student visas for up to 6 months without being a so-called "tax resident" who has to pay Colombian taxes, sometimes in addition to tax liabilities in a home country. A cedula is not the same thing as a visa. There are many websites dedicated to this subject. Going back on topic, in Colombia and everywhere else I've spent time, there are more opportunities available to longer term visitors than there are to shorter term visitors.[/QUOTE]Yes it is complicated and confusing. As I mentioned in my previous post a Cedula is basically necessary in Colombia if you plan on living there, and you cannot obtain a Cedula without first obtaining a visa. In regards to taxes, if you are a tax resident (foreigner with a visa residing in the country for more than six months during a year and its a complicated formula) it is computed based on either your world wide wealth or the what you paid in USA taxes compared to what the Colombian taxes would be. Anyone considering living in Colombia more than six months a year should consult with a Colombian account to help them determine what their situation might be. For someone with no wealth (income properties, stocks, cash accounts) except 401 K's and social security income those individuals would probably have no taxes to pay as DIAN the Colombian IRS does not include this as part of the wealth calculation Again a Colombian accountant would need to be retained to make this determination for someone contemplating living here over six months a year.

[QUOTE=Talon;2314193]Some guy calling himself Julian. I groaned inwardly when his profile pic popped up on Whatsapp because he looks exactly like what you think a stereotypical hustler in Colombia would look like.[/QUOTE]I was just messaged by a provider in Medellin who said that if I wanted "drugs and girls" I should call Julian. And she gave me his What'sApp #. She assured me it was for her security and mine. Yeah, right. I can't stand pimps. And I'm sure as hell not going to put myself in a position of being set up.

So guys I will be there staying in Engery building for two nights. Wanted to go out and partying with the locals. It will be a Tuesday and Wednesday. Wanted to stay away from the other gringos. My guide mentioned La 70 . I didn't know it's a big strip of clubs. But most look like lounges. Was also thinking about inviting some girls along as well. Can someone give me a good place to go. Appreciate it.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2328190]You can live in Colombia for up to six months a year without a Cedula, either by exiting the Country after being issued a 90 day tourist visa and returning again or having it extended.
[/QUOTE]Ah OK a tourist.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2328247]Correct no cedula yet, another year so spending most of each year here.[/QUOTE]How can one spend most of the year here with a tourist visa? I thought tourist visas were limited to 6 months?

Guys be careful in taxis here. Also a friend had a knife pulled on him in the tranny / crackhead Veracruz area late at night.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2328247]Correct no cedula yet, another year so spending most of each year here. I can hardly imagine what it will be like when I am here full time.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure of your exact situation, but it's possible you're going to have an issue. If you're spending most of the year in Colombia (more than the 180 days allowed per calendar year without a visa), some type of visa is required. Once the visa is granted you have 15 days from the date of the visa being granted (or 15 days from your next entry to Colombia, if you received the visa from a Colombian Consulate) to apply for a Cedula Extranjera, which is good for the duration of the visa. You can get the Cedula from any Immigration office. Can't remember the cost, but it was an easy process. You will need to visit a clinic first to get a blood type certificate. Once the application is complete, return in about 10 days to pick up the card.

If you're staying beyond 180 days without a visa you can be charged a fine for every day beyond 180 and can also be blocked from returning. If you're staying on a visa without a Cedula, you can have your visa revoked and be blocked from returning.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2328559]Guys be careful in taxis here. Also a friend had a knife pulled on him in the tranny / crackhead Veracruz area late at night.[/QUOTE]Yesterday I was thinking that the are had a bad vibe. The condition of Botero / Veracruz has improved in the last 5 years. But I felt anger, violence, and despair over there. Most of my girls have left the area. I am going back to Bogota ASAP.

I say some airbnbs apartments say "no sex tourism" in the rule sex section. Is this really enforced or does it mean bribing time ?


Also I was at this apartment rent office by Park lleras in Medellin and got a business card saying "apartmentinternationl dot com" when I looked up the site it brought to me lifeafar site which I was not expecting. Apparently they are the same thing? The guy at the office told me they door has no security, so you have full responsibility. Obviously having a security has pro and cons more safety but possibly more restrictions also. The place is in the la 70 area.

Has anyone stayed with lifeafar, how are their policies regarding chicas and security at the door? And standard of the apartment or should I just go for Airbnb?

So after my shitty time at Loutron I had an amazing time. My cab driver was awesome and took me all around Medellin, took me to get some party favors, showed me Parque Lleras by car, and connected me with 90 chicks. 1 was my type. After my awesome cab ride my driver connects me with that shit. I'll be meeting with her tonight. Last night after such I went back to my airbnb, they want to make sure no [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] prostitution by the way. So I head out to dominos right in front of my apartment and then head to the supermarket get some light snacks and grub. That night I went to Fase dos, this place looked fun but honestly waste of money. There is definitely talent there, but imagine cover I think 10 k, 20 k a beer, every time girls get off stage they go around and you tip them (mostly they dance in trio) and then private dance in the club AKA VIP is 300 k for an hour, or go next door for 45 minutes in hotel for 190 k. I passed on both as I didn't want another short rushed session. It's been raining here since I got in so I left Fase dos, went to Parque Lleras and checked around. Not much, so I went to Gusto. If you want to find prepago chicks, this is your club. I hung out for a bit saw maybe one chick that was a solid 10, but for a Wednesday I didn't expect much. Eventually met this Venezuelan and we hooked up for the night. Going to catch up on a little bit of sleep, relax. Tonight I got a date with that other chick and going to catch the warriors game.

It is not enforced. I spend 7 days in the top floor apartment off calle 10 in March and it was never an issue

[QUOTE=Jayson01;2328626]I say some airbnbs apartments say "no sex tourism" in the rule sex section. Is this really enforced or does it mean bribing time ?


Also I was at this apartment rent office by Park lleras in Medellin and got a business card saying "apartmentinternationl dot com" when I looked up the site it brought to me lifeafar site which I was not expecting. Apparently they are the same thing? The guy at the office told me they door has no security, so you have full responsibility. Obviously having a security has pro and cons more safety but possibly more restrictions also. The place is in the la 70 area.

Has anyone stayed with lifeafar, how are their policies regarding chicas and security at the door? And standard of the apartment or should I just go for Airbnb?[/QUOTE].

Loutron is the worse. Its expensive in relation to other places. They may have better looking lady but I have never heard or seen any of them give outstanding or even great service. Usually very mechanical.

[QUOTE=DannyBoy99;2328302]So I'm sitting inside of Loutron Spa at the end of my visit writing this.

First off drinks are 10 k. They charge 300 k for one hour for one time. I should have talked to the chick to make sure there was no surprise charge like kissing. I chose Daniela, she was hot it's just it wasn't the best experience. No massage, felt rushed, and honestly I won't be coming back to this place. Not worth the money. I'll see new life tomorrow, but first Fase Dos or La Isla tonight. I'm also planning to walk around I feel like I will get a lot better rates and service by finding someone.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2328554]How can one spend most of the year here with a tourist visa? I thought tourist visas were limited to 6 months?[/QUOTE]I was wondering the same thing just out of curiosity as I have permanent residency and a cedula.

[QUOTE=Zhagolo52;2328721]It is not enforced. I spend 7 days in the top floor apartment off calle 10 in March and it was never an issue

.[/QUOTE]I really do hope it is not enforced, because we all know if it wasn't for the chicas most of these one bedroom Airbnbs would be empty. Actually is the first Airbnb in Medellin that I see with that "no sex tourist" label and I'm running out of the time so I might just take the chance and see.

[QUOTE=Jayson01;2328626]I say some airbnbs apartments say "no sex tourism" in the rule sex section. Is this really enforced or does it mean bribing time ?


Also I was at this apartment rent office by Park lleras in Medellin and got a business card saying "apartmentinternationl dot com" when I looked up the site it brought to me lifeafar site which I was not expecting. Apparently they are the same thing? The guy at the office told me they door has no security, so you have full responsibility. Obviously having a security has pro and cons more safety but possibly more restrictions also. The place is in the la 70 area.

Has anyone stayed with lifeafar, how are their policies regarding chicas and security at the door? And standard of the apartment or should I just go for Airbnb?[/QUOTE]I like staying at lifeafar places, most of them have no security so you need to watch out who you bring back. Yeah theirs a sign that says no sex tourism which I have broken plenty of times ahahaha. A lot of the apartments on lifeafar are on Airbnb, and I prefer to book with lifeafar instead because they don't charge you booking fees and you can ask them to give you a deal and they'll give you like 10 percent off. I like staying in the Poblado suites (Tokyo, Paris, New York, dunes). It's right next to parque poblado and has a store and food places all around.

[QUOTE=Jayson01;2328626]I say some airbnbs apartments say "no sex tourism" in the rule sex section. Is this really enforced or does it mean bribing time ?


Also I was at this apartment rent office by Park lleras in Medellin and got a business card saying "apartmentinternationl dot com" when I looked up the site it brought to me lifeafar site which I was not expecting. Apparently they are the same thing? The guy at the office told me they door has no security, so you have full responsibility. Obviously having a security has pro and cons more safety but possibly more restrictions also. The place is in the la 70 area.

Has anyone stayed with lifeafar, how are their policies regarding chicas and security at the door? And standard of the apartment or should I just go for Airbnb?[/QUOTE]I've stayed in a lifeafar place in chapinero and never had an issue bringing a lady back. If you have never stayed in Colombia before, check out their YouTube channel: Sam. LifeAFAR. Tons of good information about Colombia in general.

[QUOTE=Jayson01;2328770]I really do hope it is not enforced, because we all know if it wasn't for the chicas most of these one bedroom Airbnbs would be empty. Actually is the first Airbnb in Medellin that I see with that "no sex tourist" label and I'm running out of the time so I might just take the chance and see.[/QUOTE]Lifeafar used to be First American Investment Realty. As far as I know all their apartments are chica friendly. They have a fairly wide price range.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2328266]True. Its interesting to see your hookers life story and her daily life before calling her.

Are the cousins also open of business if they don't have many Gringos in their friendlist? Or you have to first fuck the girl and then ask her if she has any cousins who would be open for such an arrangement?[/QUOTE]Why would having gringos in her friend list matter? Colombians fuck too.

If the girl already has a bunch of gringo friends I'm probably either on her list, or I have a reason to not send her a request. When I'm adding girls, I just find the ones that interest me and send a request. Often I'm 5 or 6 layers deep, when I add someone.

It works like this:

Someone on my friend list tags someone in a photo. I like her look, so I check her profile. Then I check her friend list, find someone else and pop to her profile, repeat 3 or 4 times. That one tagged friend will likely generate 20 or more girls I'm interested in. I'll see which friends we have in common, and if I think they would be interested, I'll click.

I don't have to look for gringos anymore. It's rare to find a profile that doesn't have several friends who have friends in common with me. If I see a Colombian with 15 mutual friends, then I'm probably on the right track.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2328554]How can one spend most of the year here with a tourist visa? I thought tourist visas were limited to 6 months?[/QUOTE]Up until earlier this month DIAN the IRS of Colombia and Migracion of Colombia did not exchange information between themselves. This month they signed a formal agreement to exchange information between the agencies to catch those not paying taxes and other things. So what I believe has happened in the past is people show up and are given a 90 day visa to stay. Then they stay a few months, leave for a while, come back and get another 90 day stay, then leave and return and before you know it have exceeded the 180 day tourist rule and perhaps immigration isn't catching it, noticing it, or tracking it somehow. This apparently will change and I would not want to be in the position of either arriving or departing Colombia and having immigration walk me over to the DIAN (Colombian IRS) office located at the Airport.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2329056]So what I believe ... [/QUOTE]I personally know people that have had to pay penalties for violating the tourist visa due to missed flights, etc. and one that was actually not allowed back into the country for a year.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2328814]Lifeafar used to be First American Investment Realty. [/QUOTE]Was there any dubious reason for their name change? I'm pondering their Packaged Real Estate Projects.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2329152]I personally know people that have had to pay penalties for violating the tourist visa due to missed flights, etc. and one that was actually not allowed back into the country for a year.[/QUOTE]This should be a wake up call for any members of this board that spend a lot of time in Colombia and don't have the proper visa to do so.

[QUOTE=BayMonger;2327286]Thank you for this. I will take your advice. And stay closer to Lleras, but in a nearby neighborhood.

Now this begs the question. Do I fly to Bogota for a few days instead? Or save it for the next trip? This is my first time to Colombia. Seasoned monger with decent Spanish skills.

I have 11 nights. Was going to do only Medelln but maybe I sneak away to Bogota for a few days?[/QUOTE]Bogota for me sucks but should be visited at least once and I suggest you go there first because if you go after Medellin you will be disappointed. Don't stay for more than a few days.

Anyone would like to get a beer in centro strip clubs, PM me.

SS.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2328828]Why would having gringos in her friend list matter? [/QUOTE]Because they are the ones who almost always accepts your friend request. Girls without gringo friends on FB, usually do not accept my friend request. Has someone tried just sending message to a girl without sending a friend request? Are normal chicas more responsive that way.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2328828]
It works like this:

Someone on my friend list tags someone in a photo. I like her look, so I check her profile. Then I check her friend list, find someone else and pop to her profile, repeat 3 or 4 times. That one tagged friend will likely generate 20 or more girls I'm interested in. I'll see which friends we have in common, and if I think they would be interested, I'll click.
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2328828]if I think they would be interested, I'll click.[/QUOTE]How do you determine they will be interested?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2328828]
I don't have to look for gringos anymore. It's rare to find a profile that doesn't have several friends who have friends in common with me. If I see a Colombian with 15 mutual friends, then I'm probably on the right track.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2328828]
It's rare to find a profile that doesn't have several friends who have friends in common with me.
[/QUOTE]
You are way ahead in the FB game than me. I will keep this in mind if one day I make your kind of FB network.

On a side note, I have observed which others also have mentioned in this forum, the inbox gets flooded once you reach Medellin and start posting pics of the city.

If anyone is willing to share facebook links to mine, I would greatly appreciate it.

Here are some of mine that I've pieced together.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/maryrestrepo08?fref=pb&hc_location=friends_tab[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/valentina.londonochica.1/photos?lst=100036416254363%3A100004649858389%3A1559362694[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/angelica.pineda.750546/photos?lst=100036416254363%3A100006402371498%3A1559362722[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/Viviana.lopera11?fref=pb&hc_location=friends_tab[/URL]

First, thanks to all the seniors who take their time and explain really trivial basics to us mongers sitting on their laptops at another corner of the world. Your patience is really really appreciated.

Taxi for airport: Arranged it through the manager of the Airbnb place I was staying in. Cost 77 k COP.

Local Sim: Exito sim. 30 K COP for 2 GB data. This worked good enough in El poblado but didn't work well when I was in strip clubs of Santa Fe, Bogota.

Local Taxi: EasyTaxi app. I didn't hook up my credit card to the app, paid in cash. Taxi guys in Medellin do not believe in algorithms of Google Maps, most them give zero fucks about the suggested routes of the app.

Food delivery: Rappi. Again my credit card didn't work so paid in cash.

Currency: Like Mr. E and others have repeatedly and painfully have said, don't bring your USD. You will get ripoff exchange rates. In my opinion ATM is the best option. And if you are American then get a Charles Schwab account.

Accommodation 1: Having read many posts of Scopolamine drugging on FB pages and here, I decided to rent a cheap place Airbnb in El poblado where I used to keep all my valuables and do my office work. Costed me around $15/ day. It was comfortable but really basic. Worst part was sharing the bathroom with other Euro begpackers.

Accommodation 2: Blux. This is a chica friendly place. I used this place (only booked intermittently for few days) just for fucking the prepagos. I had none of my valuables in this house. I even kept safety box empty and open just to show there is nothing she will gain by a robbery attempt.

Language: Spanish only. Everyone is a monoglot.

Chicas: I only fucked 3 chicas from FB. Most of them try hard to satisfy you. They also made good of the reputatoin that Colombian women are really gentle and sweet. Most of them were also okay for 2 shots. I paid 150 k plus taxi plus tip. Always 200 k COP as total.

Can anyone suggest intensive language schools in Medellin. I just want to talk to my chicas between the leches. Jajaja.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2329362]Local Sim: Exito sim. 30 K COP for 2 GB data. This worked good enough in El poblado but didn't work well when I was in strip clubs of Santa Fe, Bogota.[/QUOTE]This says nothing of the SIM. Hard to get a signal in the strip clubs in Santa Fe, Conejitas and BE in Medellin as well.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2329401]This says nothing of the SIM. Hard to get a signal in the strip clubs in Santa Fe, Conejitas and BE in Medellin as well.[/QUOTE]Not just in clubs but on the street where Troya is located, my data and calls were not working. I walked a little bit, went to another part of Santa Fe and got the data to connect again. In another instance inside the Troya, while talking to some other guy and exchanging our contact info my data was not working but his was. Perhaps Woodman09 would be the best guy to comment on situation of cell connectivity in Santa Fe clubs.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2329411]Not just in clubs but on the street where Troya is located, my data and calls were not working. I walked a little bit, went to another part of Santa Fe and got the data to connect again. In another instance inside the Troya, while talking to some other guy and exchanging our contact info my data was not working but his was. Perhaps Woodman09 would be the best guy to comment on situation of cell connectivity in Santa Fe clubs.[/QUOTE]Happens to me all the time with my T-mobile. I usually have to reboot my phone to get the signal back when leaving out of Troya.

[QUOTE=Magaman;2329238]Was there any dubious reason for their name change? I'm pondering their Packaged Real Estate Projects.[/QUOTE]Marketing would be my guess. LifeAfar sounds more exciting than Investment Realty.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2329344]Because they are the ones who almost always accepts your friend request. Girls without gringo friends on FB, usually do not accept my friend request. Has someone tried just sending message to a girl without sending a friend request? Are normal chicas more responsive that way.[/QUOTE]The issue is probably with your Facebook. The girls with all the gringo friends just accept anyone, especially a gringo. Most other girls look at the profile. If you're using a profile with no content, other than 2 or 3 pictures, you're not going to get a lot of interest. I'm the same when looking at profiles. A friend request from any account with just 2 or 3 pictures and nothing more gets deleted.

If you send a message to someone not on your friend list it doesn't immediately pop up for them. It goes to another area. It's less likely to be seen.

[QUOTE]How do you determine they will be interested?[/QUOTE]I don't. I determine that I believe they might be interested. No guarantees. They might be interested if they have 1. Lots of pictures of their kids and friends, but no boyfriend pics. 2. Pics of them out partying. 3. Any pics showing a jacuzzi tub. 4. Sexy pics, beyond the normal selfie. 5. Posts that are sexual. There's more, but those are some of the basics.

[QUOTE]You are way ahead in the FB game than me. I will keep this in mind if one day I make your kind of FB network.

On a side note, I have observed which others also have mentioned in this forum, the inbox gets flooded once you reach Medellin and start posting pics of the city.[/QUOTE]Building FB is a numbers game. At first, except for the gringo favorites, you send 20 requests and get 2 friends. Once you get a bunch of friends you start receiving requests. I'm still getting requests accepted that I sent out almost 2 years ago.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2329362]First, thanks to all the seniors who take their time and explain really trivial basics to us mongers sitting on their laptops at another corner of the world. Your patience is really really appreciated.

Taxi for airport: Arranged it through the manager of the Airbnb place I was staying in. Cost 77 k COP.

Local Sim: Exito sim. 30 K COP for 2 GB data. This worked good enough in El poblado but didn't work well when I was in strip clubs of Santa Fe, Bogota.

Local Taxi: EasyTaxi app. I didn't hook up my credit card to the app, paid in cash. Taxi guys in Medellin do not believe in algorithms of Google Maps, most them give zero fucks about the suggested routes of the app..[/QUOTE]Good report.

Probably the best language school is at EAFIT. The intensive classes are 4 hours daily for 2 weeks. Excellent instructors and students from all over the world. Also only 4-8 students per class.

I basically see only FB girls and most of them do not share their friend contacts. Of the girls that I have which share their friends (mostly gringos) I tend to avoid. FB makes friend suggestions based on your current list of friends. I have been pretty successful with that. I had one FB girl that provides excellent service tell me she does not share her friends because too many girls steal contacts. A lot of these girls do share among each other contact names when they are together. I know because I get contacted by girls that I don't know but I realize later they are friends of girls I had sessioned with. You may not get a response if you don't message them. I usually message them (in spanish) and tell them when I plan to be in Medellin and that I would like to see them. That usually works. Works so well that I have learned not to make too many knew friends because I wind up only seeing maybe 2 out of 5 of them.

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[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2329344]Because they are the ones who almost always accepts your friend request. Girls without gringo friends on FB, usually do not accept my friend request. Has someone tried just sending message to a girl without sending a friend request? Are normal chicas more responsive that way.



How do you determine they will be interested?




You are way ahead in the FB game than me. I will keep this in mind if one day I make your kind of FB network.

On a side note, I have observed which others also have mentioned in this forum, the inbox gets flooded once you reach Medellin and start posting pics of the city.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2329362]First, thanks to all the seniors who take their time and explain really trivial basics to us mongers sitting on their laptops at another corner of the world. Your patience is really really appreciated.

Taxi for airport: Arranged it through the manager of the Airbnb place I was staying in. Cost 77 k COP.

Local Sim: Exito sim. 30 K COP for 2 GB data. This worked good enough in El poblado but didn't work well when I was in strip clubs of Santa Fe, Bogota.

Local Taxi: EasyTaxi app. I didn't hook up my credit card to the app, paid in cash. Taxi guys in Medellin do not believe in algorithms of Google Maps, most them give zero fucks about the suggested routes of the app.

Food delivery: Rappi. Again my credit card didn't work so paid in cash.

Currency: Like Mr. E and others have repeatedly and painfully have said, don't bring your USD. You will get ripoff exchange rates. In my opinion ATM is the best option. And if you are American then get a Charles Schwab account..[/QUOTE]This is an excellent report--exactly the kind of intel I come here to find. Thanks for posting!

I agree as well that the report is well written. It was both informative and to the point. He didn't write about how great he is or of his personal sexual conquests. He stuck to what is informative and helpful. Thank you.

[QUOTE=TravisMcGee;2329569]This is an excellent report--exactly the kind of intel I come here to find. Thanks for posting![/QUOTE].

Quick question, how long do you guys usually go to Medellin for?

Planning my first trip there and I'm debating how many days I should do.

My biggest problem by far with the place is the climate. Every year the goes by I tolerate cold weather less. I always look for something positive so I can report that, compared to Medellin, Bogota has more quantity and variety overall.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2329282]Bogota for me sucks but should be visited at least once and I suggest you go there first because if you go after Medellin you will be disappointed. Don't stay for more than a few days.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Trojan22;2329650]Quick question, how long do you guys usually go to Medellin for?

Planning my first trip there and I'm debating how many days I should do.[/QUOTE]There's too many variables for one easy answer. Some guys can get quick cheap flights and they will come in for 3 or 4 days every few months. Some guys prefer to come for 2-3 weeks a few times a year.

If you travel regularly and are considering Medellin as a place to visit routinely, I'd suggest 10-14 days. If it's a 1 time bucket list trip 5-10 days. If you're considering moving to Medellin, spend at least 3 months.

My reasoning behind the numbers:

If you spend lots of time traveling to mongering destinations already, you need time to get a fair impression. A couple of bad breaks early, could give you a tainted impression. It also gives a better idea about the city, climate, lodging and food.

If you're just wanting a bucket list type of trip, you're going to wear out after a few days. Come in, party hard and go home, before you burn out.

Obviously if you're planning on living full time in Colombia, you'll want to spend as much time as possible before making a decision.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2329262]This should be a wake up call for any members of this board that spend a lot of time in Colombia and don't have the proper visa to do so.[/QUOTE]I know of one, a long term resident, who forgot to renew his Visa. He was initially told that he couldn't come back for 5 years. He ended up paying a big fine and got it taken care of, but there were a few days of worry.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2329362]

Can anyone suggest intensive language schools in Medellin. I just want to talk to my chicas between the leches. Jajaja.[/QUOTE]Probably the cheapest would be to go to centro and hire a streetwalker for 100 k / peso a day. That is 8 hrs just tell them no sex and you want to practice spanish all day, a lot of them would do it and would probably find it refreshing. But I guess that depends on your level of spanish, if you are a beginning a lot of the basic grammar and vocab can be learned out of a book but the value of the tutor comes in when you try to use the language and practice speaking and listening. If you can find a venezuelan they might actually speak a more standard spanish than the colombian streetwalkers because they tend to be more educated than colombian hood rats. At $30/8 hrs this is the cheapest language school you can find.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2329667]My biggest problem by far with the place is the climate. Every year the goes by I tolerate cold weather less. I always look for something positive so I can report that, compared to Medellin, Bogota has more quantity and variety overall.[/QUOTE]I didn't personally find the cold there so bad, however the City is very congested and hard to get around anywhere because they don't have a Metro system which I use in MDE every day.

As far as Bogota's Santa Fe red light district I personally did not like it, not much of a street scene, just lots of bars and hotels with girls in front and there were no parks or other areas immediately nearby this area to go to.

I think for the typical board member they will find that in MDE there are venues relatively close and easy to get to versus in Bogota it's hard to travel around the City and time consuming, at least that was my experience there. I agree with you that the quantity of venues available and the variety is probably at least five fold as MDE.

Over the past several months, and especially the past two months, I have noticed a huge increase of Venezuelans hanging out between the area of the Veracruz Church and the Museum and the park in front of the Museum. It's like they have taken over the area and are squeezing the Colombians out. They typically hang out in groups of two or more girls versus the Colombians, and the majority of these girls are physically disgusting being grossly overweight and ugly. There are a few doable ones around, but I find the variety of the Colombians much more appealing.

I am curious as to other board members observations who frequent El Centro.

[QUOTE=SallySally;2329888]Probably the cheapest would be to go to centro and hire a streetwalker for 100 k / peso a day. That is 8 hrs just tell them no sex and you want to practice spanish all day, a lot of them would do it and would probably find it refreshing. But I guess that depends on your level of spanish, if you are a beginning a lot of the basic grammar and vocab can be learned out of a book but the value of the tutor comes in when you try to use the language and practice speaking and listening. If you can find a venezuelan they might actually speak a more standard spanish than the colombian streetwalkers because they tend to be more educated than colombian hood rats. At $30/8 hrs this is the cheapest language school you can find.[/QUOTE]I hope you are joking.

I moved to Medellin exactly a month ago and knew only basic Spanish. I enrolled in one of the better schools and have come a long way in 3 weeks.

Everyone learns languages differently and there is no universal best way to learn. Some can learn easily and pick things up from listening to conversations, music, television, studying online, etc. I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum and have great difficulty with learning languages.

In any event, I don't recommend a school in Medellin. While my school, Colombia Immersion Spanish School (in Laureles and Envigado) was excellent, the cost is way too much. The schools seemed to be priced similarly and there are many. There are also dozens and dozens of private tutors, most of whom cost significantly less. I am starting with a tutor tomorrow and saving 30% from what I paid for school. The caveat with tutors though is that one has to be careful who they hire. Some people advertise themselves as tutors simply because they're bilingual.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2329362]Can anyone suggest intensive language schools in Medellin. I just want to talk to my chicas between the leches. Jajaja.[/QUOTE]Buy Pimsleur. Use your tuition money to chat up hookers and don't waste your time closed up in a classroom.

[QUOTE=Jooks;2329920]I hope you are joking.

I moved to Medellin exactly a month ago and knew only basic Spanish. I enrolled in one of the better schools and have come a long way in 3 weeks.

Everyone learns languages differently and there is no universal best way to learn. Some can learn easily and pick things up from listening to conversations, music, television, studying online, etc. I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum and have great difficulty with learning languages.

In any event, I don't recommend a school in Medellin. While my school, Colombia Immersion Spanish School (in Laureles and Envigado) was excellent, the cost is way too much. The schools seemed to be priced similarly and there are many. There are also dozens and dozens of private tutors, most of whom cost significantly less. I am starting with a tutor tomorrow and saving 30% from what I paid for school. The caveat with tutors though is that one has to be careful who they hire. Some people advertise themselves as tutors simply because they're bilingual.[/QUOTE]Where do you find private tutors at? I did see a couple on tinder saying that taught Spanish. Last time I went to Medellin I went to Toucan Spanish school and learned a good amount in 2 weeks of private lessons.

[QUOTE=Jooks;2329920]IThere are also dozens and dozens of private tutors, most of whom cost significantly less. I am starting with a tutor tomorrow and saving 30% from what I paid for school. [/QUOTE]Would you tell us how much do you pay? I was quoted US $20/ HR. I have used a tutor from Spain who speaks many languages and it costs less than that.

[QUOTE=Sho423;2329936]Where do you find private tutors at? I did see a couple on tinder saying that taught Spanish. Last time I went to Medellin I went to Toucan Spanish school and learned a good amount in 2 weeks of private lessons.[/QUOTE]Join some Medellin expat groups on Facebook--I see people offering tutor lessons on them all the time. Alternatively you can look here: [url]https://www.catalystweekly.com/category/language/private-spanish-tutor/[/url] A private tutor I tried a few times charged 35,000 an hour (minimum 2 hours). She was decent but her lessons seemed more geared towards if I was trying to pass a formal written exam when all I wanted was to get better at conversation. I was progressing better just talking regularly with chicas. You're paying them anyway--might as well get a Spanish lesson from them to boot!

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2329362]Can anyone suggest intensive language schools in Medellin. I just want to talk to my chicas between the leches. Jajaja.[/QUOTE]You don't need any stinkin languange schools. Just hop on ebay and buy some used Pimsleur CDs. The big set with the levels, not the tourist starter CD. Add a Barron's 501 Spanish Verbs to that as well and a large English/Spanish dictionary. Then hop on Amazon and buy a used 1st level Spanish textbook for the low low. Make sure you buy some index cards too so that you can make flash cards. Listen to Lesson 1 of Pimsleur for 2 days in a row and do the first lesson of the textbook making out flash cards. I think the Pimsleur lessons are like 28 minutes. So teaching yourself should take maybe 1h15 m out of your day. Chat to some broads online. You will have it in no time.

P. S. I was a high school French teacher and have taught myself 3 other languages this way.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2329988]You don't need any stinkin languange schools. Just hop on ebay and buy some used Pimsleur CDs. The big set with the levels, not the tourist starter CD. Add a Barron's 501 Spanish Verbs to that as well and a large English/Spanish dictionary. Then hop on Amazon and buy a used 1st level Spanish textbook for the low low. Make sure you buy some index cards too so that you can make flash cards. Listen to Lesson 1 of Pimsleur for 2 days in a row and do the first lesson of the textbook making out flash cards. I think the Pimsleur lessons are like 28 minutes. So teaching yourself should take maybe 1h15 m out of your day. Chat to some broads online. You will have it in no time.

P. S. I was a high school French teacher and have taught myself 3 other languages this way.[/QUOTE]Years ago I got a download of like 50 different pimsleur language courses online from bit-torrent. Doubt I'm ever going to use the Swahili. Languages come easier to some than others and I'm one of those who struggle with it. Years ago I in my Brazil days I used the Portuguese. Now Pimsleur has gotten me functional in Spanish. Google translate certainly is a life saver when I come up short. I'm thinking about starting the Indonesian as I spend a few months every year in Jakarta. My problem is my brain has two language compartments. One for English and one for all other languages. Whatever bits of other languages I have tend to combine. When I was in Chile, locals thought I was Brazilian as my Spanish (at that time) was infected with my Portuguese.

I agree Pimsleur Spanish and Portuguese are excellent!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2329988]You don't need any stinkin languange schools. Just hop on ebay and buy some used Pimsleur CDs. The big set with the levels, not the tourist starter CD. Add a Barron's 501 Spanish Verbs to that as well and a large English/Spanish dictionary. Then hop on Amazon and buy a used 1st level Spanish textbook for the low low. Make sure you buy some index cards too so that you can make flash cards. Listen to Lesson 1 of Pimsleur for 2 days in a row and do the first lesson of the textbook making out flash cards. I think the Pimsleur lessons are like 28 minutes. So teaching yourself should take maybe 1h15 m out of your day. Chat to some broads online. You will have it in no time.

P. S. I was a high school French teacher and have taught myself 3 other languages this way.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2329988]You don't need any stinkin languange schools. Just hop on ebay and buy some used Pimsleur CDs. The big set with the levels, not the tourist starter CD. Add a Barron's 501 Spanish Verbs to that as well and a large English/Spanish dictionary. Then hop on Amazon and buy a used 1st level Spanish textbook for the low low. [/QUOTE]I agree. CDs with a good book will give you a jump start.
I highly recommend this book. Sells for $20 (new) on Amazon:

Ultimate Spanish (Beginner - Intermediate).
Living Language series.
[URL]https://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Spanish-Beginner-Intermediate-Coursebook/dp/1400009618/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Ultimate[/URL]+Spanish&qid=1559490631&s=gateway&sr=8-1.

The print is easy on the eyes. It is well written and the answer key is available under each exercise.
This saves time. No hunting in the back of the book.

~BKKguru

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2329988]You don't need any stinkin languange schools..[/QUOTE]For some people like myself I found attending a language school, EAFIT in Medellin to learn Spanish much better than trying to learn from Spanish programs, etc. I know this because I started to learn Spanish this way on a computer and it was hard for me to just memorize stuff and when I was in a classroom setting it was much easier for me to learn by association and interaction with others. It was also fun for me.

There are some people like you who don't need a language school because languages are very easy for you to learn. However, for others it is very challenging and a classroom setting will be better for them to learn in which was my case.

[QUOTE=Talon;2329983]Join some Medellin expat groups on Facebook--I see people offering tutor lessons on them all the time. Alternatively you can look here: [url]https://www.catalystweekly.com/category/language/private-spanish-tutor/[/url] A private tutor I tried a few times charged 35,000 an hour (minimum 2 hours). She was decent but her lessons seemed more geared towards if I was trying to pass a formal written exam when all I wanted was to get better at conversation. I was progressing better just talking regularly with chicas. You're paying them anyway--might as well get a Spanish lesson from them to boot![/QUOTE]First, I think anyone that says you don't need this or that is doing a disservice to mankind. Just because YOU are able to learn a language with a book or CD or whatever, doesn't mean that anyone can. As I originally said, everyone is different and learns differently, especially languages.

I think many schools rely on people that don't know any better, I. E. , that there are tutors available to teach for much less. Toucan was mentioned. It is considered the best or one of the best schools in Medellin. However, if I'm not mistaken, the cost is even more than Colombia Immersion Spanish School and seems about the same as far as what they offer. At Colombia Immersion, there are different programs. If one opts for "immersion," the cost is either 525.000 (I think) or 725.000 per week. Mucho dinero. The latter includes 10 hours of private classes, I. E. , tutoring plus 4 hours of coaching, I. E. , conversation and weekly field trips to different parts of the city where you mingle with paisas and get to learn about the city. The former includes group classes instead of private classes. I checked 2 other schools and the offerings and prices are similar. Some students live at the school or with a host family to get an even fuller immersion. However, there's a lot of bullshit that goes along with that, or so I was told.

The best way to find a tutor is from a personal recommendation. A number of people in my school jumped ship to tutors by getting a recommendation from fellow students. However, that's not an option if you don't know anyone, my situation when I arrived. A very active board is the private facebook group, medellin expats - [URL]https://www.facebook.com/groups/159461177529433/.[/URL] A post asking about tutors will bring numerous responses.

[QUOTE=Jooks;2330122]First, I think anyone that says you don't need this or that is doing a disservice to mankind. Just because YOU are able to learn a language with a book or CD or whatever, doesn't mean that anyone can. As I originally said, everyone is different and learns differently, especially languages.

I think many schools rely on people that don't know any better, I. E. , that there are tutors available to teach for much less. Toucan was mentioned. It is considered the best or one of the best schools in Medellin. However, if I'm not mistaken, the cost is even more than Colombia Immersion Spanish School and seems about the same as far as what they offer. At Colombia Immersion, there are different programs. If one opts for "immersion," the cost is either 525.000 (I think) or 725.000 per week. Mucho dinero. The latter includes 10 hours of private classes, I. E. , tutoring plus 4 hours of coaching, I. E. , conversation and weekly field trips to different parts of the city where you mingle with paisas and get to learn about the city. The former includes group classes instead of private classes. I checked 2 other schools and the offerings and prices are similar. Some students live at the school or with a host family to get an even fuller immersion. However, there's a lot of bullshit that goes along with that, or so I was told.

The best way to find a tutor is from a personal recommendation. A number of people in my school jumped ship to tutors by getting a recommendation from fellow students. However, that's not an option if you don't know anyone, my situation when I arrived. A very active board is the private facebook group, medellin expats - [URL]https://www.facebook.com/groups/159461177529433/.[/URL] A post asking about tutors will bring numerous responses.[/QUOTE]I forgot to add that I'll be paying 35.000 per hour for a tutor, a little over $10.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2329892]I didn't personally find the cold there so bad, however the City is very congested and hard to get around anywhere because they don't have a Metro system which I use in MDE every day.

As far as Bogota's Santa Fe red light district I personally did not like it, not much of a street scene, just lots of bars and hotels with girls in front and there were no parks or other areas immediately nearby this area to go to.

I think for the typical board member they will find that in MDE there are venues relatively close and easy to get to versus in Bogota it's hard to travel around the City and time consuming, at least that was my experience there. I agree with you that the quantity of venues available and the variety is probably at least five fold as MDE.[/QUOTE]Although it's not as comfortable as the Medellin Metro, the Transmilenio in Bogota is a cheap and quick way to get around. It can be insanely crowded during rush hour, even worse than the Metro, but it'll take you right to the heart of Santa Fe.

[QUOTE=Jooks;2330124]I forgot to add that I'll be paying 35.000 per hour for a tutor, a little over $10.[/QUOTE]You're on the right track. I certainly agree that nobody can really tell him what he does or doesn't need. He's the only one who knows his own strengths and weaknesses.

Now, to your tutor. At 35 k per hour, for 40 hours of tutoring you're paying 10 k more than the cost of a single, 40 hour class at EAFIT. The classes have 2 options. There's 2 week classes, 4 hours per day, or 4 week classes, 2 hours per day.

The class at EAFIT includes a placement exam, complete access to the university, and, if you finish the full program, a certificate stating you've met all the requirements and know the language. Which will come in handy if you're hoping to find employment in any Spanish speaking country (or applying for a position requiring Spanish).

They have weekly free, coffee socials to practice conversation with Colombian students, a free weekly salsa class and frequent free local excursions. There is an extra charge for the textbook, I believe around 100 k. You're also eligible to use the gym at the university, although there's a charge for that.

There's a discount for paying for multiple classes up front. It also qualifies you for a student visa. Pay for 3 classes and get a 6 month visa. Pay for 6 classes and get a 1 year visa. To get the visa you'll need to travel to Bogota.

[QUOTE=Jooks;2330122]First, I think anyone that says you don't need this or that is doing a disservice to mankind. Just because YOU are able to learn a language with a book or CD or whatever, doesn't mean that anyone can. As I originally said, everyone is different and learns differently, especially languages.[/QUOTE]Sorry. Instead of saying you don't need, I should have said in my opinion as a linguist and educator you should try this option which will cost you less and you can learn at your own pace. No need to have to be at a certain place at a certain time.

Of course I am well aware that there are different ways to learn. That is why I added talk to chicks online! You can direct questions to them and the messages back and forth will help develop reading and writing and they can lead and instruct considering they have a good command of the language themselves. Comes in handy sometimes to meet educated women with normal jobs, and not only those that are hookers or party animals.

I used to sell Rosetta Stone and before selling it to a person I would always tell them that IMO it was an awful way to try to learn a language. So I am not saying to try to teach yourself any old way. The options that I laid out though will more than likely achieve the desired effect considering one is not lazy. I am merely giving the shortcut version of how and what it took me 4 years and $50,000 to learn.

[QUOTE=Talon;2329983]Join some Medellin expat groups on Facebook--I see people offering tutor lessons on them all the time. Alternatively you can look here: [url]https://www.catalystweekly.com/category/language/private-spanish-tutor/[/url] A private tutor I tried a few times charged 35,000 an hour (minimum 2 hours). She was decent but her lessons seemed more geared towards if I was trying to pass a formal written exam when all I wanted was to get better at conversation. I was progressing better just talking regularly with chicas. You're paying them anyway--might as well get a Spanish lesson from them to boot![/QUOTE]Yeah I enjoy practicing my Spanish with the girls, its a totally different vibe then having to always pull out the translator.

I started out using Duolingo and started making flash cards. But I think having a tutor and being able to converse back and forth is better then learning from a CD or book.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2330175]You're on the right track. I certainly agree that nobody can really tell him what he does or doesn't need. He's the only one who knows his own strengths and weaknesses.

Now, to your tutor. At 35 k per hour, for 40 hours of tutoring you're paying 10 k more than the cost of a single, 40 hour class at EAFIT. The classes have 2 options. There's 2 week classes, 4 hours per day, or 4 week classes, 2 hours per day.

The class at EAFIT includes a placement exam, complete access to the university, and, if you finish the full program, a certificate stating you've met all the requirements and know the language. Which will come in handy if you're hoping to find employment in any Spanish speaking country (or applying for a position requiring Spanish).

They have weekly free, coffee socials to practice conversation with Colombian students, a free weekly salsa class and frequent free local excursions. There is an extra charge for the textbook, I believe around 100 k. You're also eligible to use the gym at the university, although there's a charge for that.

There's a discount for paying for multiple classes up front. It also qualifies you for a student visa. Pay for 3 classes and get a 6 month visa. Pay for 6 classes and get a 1 year visa. To get the visa you'll need to travel to Bogota.[/QUOTE]As Alumni of EAFIT a couple of other things for others to know, they have a BanColombia branch on campus and as a student you can open a bank account without a Cedula, just your Passport. They also have an on-site health club you can join for a small fee and an Olympic Pool free to use. But more importantly, you failed to mention all the beautiful Co-Eds on campus.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2330161]Although it's not as comfortable as the Medellin Metro, the Transmilenio in Bogota is a cheap and quick way to get around. It can be insanely crowded during rush hour, even worse than the Metro, but it'll take you right to the heart of Santa Fe.[/QUOTE]This is good to know for those visiting and who like Bogota, but for me everything sucked about the place and I won't being going back.

Staying in el Centro area all this week. If any fellow members don't want to fly solo, PM me.

SS.

What am I doing wrong? I've been exchanging mensajes with half a dozen women from FB and col cupid. I've got commitments for dates on Thursday and Friday. I asked if they wanted to meet at a restaurant or my place. All said whichever you want. I said ok, we'll meet at my place. Let me know if you have any special expectations for our time together. None of them have thrown out a number? I'm a reasonably attractive guy but there's no way these hot young women are interested in seeing me (early 40's) and not being compensated is there? One of the obvious prepagos from FB said whatever "it's up to you".

I don't want to come right out and ask how much they want so I'm dancing around it because there are a couple of them that are so hot I would meet them just for conversation. Is it common for them to just trust you to give them money without talking about it? Or are they stringing me and I will I get a text a couple hours before the date spelling out the rates? I suspect there's a Playbook because I'm getting the same messages. It's coming across Kind of like the two call system in the states. I'm happy to play by the "semi-pro" rules but I want to know what they are.

You are correct.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2329907]Over the past several months, and especially the past two months, I have noticed a huge increase of Venezuelans hanging out between the area of the Veracruz Church and the Museum and the park in front of the Museum. It's like they have taken over the area and are squeezing the Colombians out. They typically hang out in groups of two or more girls versus the Colombians, and the majority of these girls are physically disgusting being grossly overweight and ugly. There are a few doable ones around, but I find the variety of the Colombians much more appealing.

I am curious as to other board members observations who frequent El Centro.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Northstar1;2330496]What am I doing wrong? I've been exchanging mensajes with half a dozen women from FB and col cupid. I've got commitments for dates on Thursday and Friday. I asked if they wanted to meet at a restaurant or my place. All said whichever you want. I said ok, we'll meet at my place. Let me know if you have any special expectations for our time together. None of them have thrown out a number? I'm a reasonably attractive guy but there's no way these hot young women are interested in seeing me (early 40's) and not being compensated is there? One of the obvious prepagos from FB said whatever "it's up to you".

I don't want to come right out and ask how much they want so I'm dancing around it because there are a couple of them that are so hot I would meet them just for conversation. Is it common for them to just trust you to give them money without talking about it? Or are they stringing me and I will I get a text a couple hours before the date spelling out the rates? I suspect there's a Playbook because I'm getting the same messages. It's coming across Kind of like the two call system in the states. I'm happy to play by the "semi-pro" rules but I want to know what they are.[/QUOTE]Take a step back. They're in it for the money not some random guy they are messaging with. Make an offer.

Also watch out for being robbed.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2330624]Take a step back. They're in it for the money not some random guy they are messaging with. Make an offer. Also watch out for being robbed.[/QUOTE]I took your advice and asked the one I was most certain was a prepaid and. Lo and behold, she quoted me 300 k for two hours. I asked one of the ones I was pretty sure was a prepago on FB and I think I used the wrong phrasing. I asked her what her expectations for our date would be and she said "My Expectations? Like she was totally insulted. Next, I'll suck it up and ask the two ultra 10+ ladies and see what they say.

As far as being robbed goes, I'm aware of the drink spiking and the blowing powder in your face, any other common schemes? I'll keep my valuables in the safe and the suitcase locked up. My main worry is the possibility that the girl is working with some guy (s) and sets me up to get jumped.

[QUOTE=Northstar1;2330496]What am I doing wrong? I've been exchanging mensajes with half a dozen women from FB and col cupid. I've got commitments for dates on Thursday and Friday. I asked if they wanted to meet at a restaurant or my place. All said whichever you want. I said ok, we'll meet at my place. Let me know if you have any special expectations for our time together. None of them have thrown out a number? I'm a reasonably attractive guy but there's no way these hot young women are interested in seeing me (early 40's) and not being compensated is there? One of the obvious prepagos from FB said whatever "it's up to you".

I don't want to come right out and ask how much they want so I'm dancing around it because there are a couple of them that are so hot I would meet them just for conversation. Is it common for them to just trust you to give them money without talking about it? Or are they stringing me and I will I get a text a couple hours before the date spelling out the rates? I suspect there's a Playbook because I'm getting the same messages. It's coming across Kind of like the two call system in the states. I'm happy to play by the "semi-pro" rules but I want to know what they are.[/QUOTE]I don't know how good your Spanish is, but you really should firm up a price with them before having them come to your place. If you don't agree to the price beforehand, there could be lots of problems, and sometimes there's even problems when you have an agreed upon price beforehand. You might want to consider meeting them at a Coffee shop or other place within a few blocks of your place to work out the details beforehand. You may want to bail on some of these Chicas immediately upon meeting them because they don't look anything like the photos you saw, and if so, it will be much easier in a public place. And if you think these women are going to bang you for free, well I am sorry to inform you that's not going to happen.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2329725]There's too many variables for one easy answer. Some guys can get quick cheap flights and they will come in for 3 or 4 days every few months. Some guys prefer to come for 2-3 weeks a few times a year.

If you travel regularly and are considering Medellin as a place to visit routinely, I'd suggest 10-14 days. If it's a 1 time bucket list trip 5-10 days. If you're considering moving to Medellin, spend at least 3 months.

My reasoning behind the numbers:

If you spend lots of time traveling to mongering destinations already, you need time to get a fair impression. A couple of bad breaks early, could give you a tainted impression. It also gives a better idea about the city, climate, lodging and food.

If you're just wanting a bucket list type of trip, you're going to wear out after a few days. Come in, party hard and go home, before you burn out.

Obviously if you're planning on living full time in Colombia, you'll want to spend as much time as possible before making a decision.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the response. I fall in with the second tier you described. I don't have much mongering experience but Medellin has always been a place I wanted to visit for that and just some of the tourist attractions as well.

I think I'll do 6-7 days which should be enough at least to get an initial taste.

[QUOTE=Northstar1;2330496]What am I doing wrong? I've been exchanging mensajes with half a dozen women from FB and col cupid. I've got commitments for dates on Thursday and Friday. I asked if they wanted to meet at a restaurant or my place. All said whichever you want. [/QUOTE]Warning: Some butchered google translate spanish incoming. Lets hope autocorrect of this forum does not kill it.

Here is the standard messages that I send to decide the rate.

[QUOTE]
Me: Ola! Como estas!

Her: Muy bien y tu!

Me: Bien! vendre a medellin pronto!

Her: Que bueno

Me: eguro, estar en Medelln la prxima semana. Podemos encontrarnos en mi hotel.

Her: Si bueno

Me: perfecto. Cunto debo compensarte por tu tiempo en el hotel?

150 ms taxi bien?

Her: Si Amor!

[/QUOTE]Seniors, feel free to add your comments on above convo. Should I make it a little longer with fluff? Or is directly going to the point good enough?

In the beginning I was not giving price I would but asking them how can I compensate for their time. I got 150,200 and 250. Only one girl said, ""it's up to you". Never met her because I my gut instincts made me fear a robbery. And one another girl asked what I wanted to do with her in the hotel. Probably she is looking for a BF and not a customer. Probably you should directly ask how can I compensate for your time. Or you have some really great pics on your profile and they want to be your GF.

Note: This is only FB with lot of gringos in their profile. Probably on CO cupid there are girls actually looking for a long term BF.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2330624]Take a step back. They're in it for the money not some random guy they are messaging with. Make an offer.

Also watch out for being robbed.[/QUOTE]If he's inviting them back to his place (and assuming he's only opening the door if she's by herself) then isn't the chances of a robbery pretty low?

I guess you can still get drugged in your drinks but most people I would hope don't leave their drinks unattended when they have guests over.

[QUOTE=NorthStar1;2330638]she said "My Expectations? Like she was totally insulted. Next, I'll suck it up and ask the two ultra 10+ ladies and see what they say.[/QUOTE]So since you have been talking to these women what has your general conversation consisted of? Usually when normal people meet each other one of the first questions is what they do for work. It seems you have not asked such a basic question that may put all of your uncertainty asunder.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2330646]And if you think these women are going to bang you for free, well I am sorry to inform you that's not going to happen.[/QUOTE]LOL. Putting a bunch of uncalled for stress on himself when he could have just walked into a casa and been laid in 10 seconds at a fraction of the price. Surf I would love to argue with you on this one, but seeing that I have never had the slightest inclination to pick up a chick on facebook I would have no idea. I can surmise though, that if she has other foreigners as friends and they are not even asking each other basic questions then I would say she is definitely a hooker. Does she have glamour shots in swimsuits and lingerie with a lot of makeup on? Then she is definitely a hooker. I meet tons of chicks on cupid that are free, but their profiles appear as a normal chick's should and does not scream I am here to entice lonely or horny foreigners.

[QUOTE=Trojan22;2330650]If he's inviting them back to his place (and assuming he's only opening the door if she's by herself) then isn't the chances of a robbery pretty low?

I guess you can still get drugged in your drinks but most people I would hope don't leave their drinks unattended when they have guests over.[/QUOTE]The robberies do not happen as soon as she shows up to your place. They wait until you are good and comfortable and have busted off your nut, then they let other people inside. Sometimes you have already been drugged when this happens. Sometimes not.

Back in the old Rio days I would always deadbolt the door and hide the key either between the trashcan and the liner or behind a picture frame. Unless she was planning to jump from a 6th floor window, then she was definitely going to need my help to get out of there. Never any problems though.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2330648]Warning: Some butchered google translate spanish incoming. Lets hope autocorrect of this forum does not kill it.

Here is the standard messages that I send to decide the rate.

Seniors, feel free to add your comments on above convo. Should I make it a little longer with fluff? Or is directly going to the point good enough?

In the beginning I was not giving price I would but asking them how can I compensate for their time. I got 150,200 and 250. Only one girl said, ""it's up to you". Never met her because I my gut instincts made me fear a robbery. And one another girl asked what I wanted to do with her in the hotel. Probably she is looking for a BF and not a customer. Probably you should directly ask how can I compensate for your time. Or you have some really great pics on your profile and they want to be your GF.

Note: This is only FB with lot of gringos in their profile. Probably on CO cupid there are girls actually looking for a long term BF.[/QUOTE]Depends on where your encounter occurs. If its in a hotel that checks their cedula, it should be fine, both from a security point of view and for your general protection. If you are in an unsecured apartment setting the risk is definitely more.

Some of them will certainly flake on you, be prepared, and don't get too hooked on plans to meet just a couple of them, keep your options open. You can also try to discuss any specific activities you are interested in before you meet. Don't be shy. Sometimes I ask for their whatsapp number and I take the convo over to whatsapp in order to have another access point and to see their photo to verify, and to get their local phone number. Agree best to meet at a nearby shop with people around.

That said the risk of meeting a random stranger is definitely there, as there are some traps laid out there, and you have to be comfortable with that risk, which is why I am grateful to the mongers here who threw me a few bones when I went. If you use a middle man, first you have to be sure of their integrity, and next some of them get really greedy. My taxi guy who was reccomended on ISG, tried to set me up with one that asked for $300 USD (I verified and it was not 300 k). I guess some gullible gringo paid that. What else can I say? I have stated here what worked for me. 150k + taxi is plenty good for that market and most will accept. The money focussed ones tend not to perform anyway.

With referrals, I feel comfortable knowing I am walking a well worn path when in a new country. The casas to some extent minimize the risk of drugging etc. However there are trade offs. I got more GFE type treatment from the social media types.

Though I ignored some of the advise to go the mansion first up and did my thing and it turned out to be a decent experience, I would probably have gone with the mansion hotel first up in retrospect. Once you have your trust worthy contacts, doing your thing gets easier. Either that or having a veteran on the ground is enormously helpful to avoid errors. Luckily none of my errors were a big deal, but definitely there is a learning curve to this.

FB is not [URL]match.com[/URL]. Most of the girls I have met or made friends with are prepagos or just girls looking to make some money. To be honest I have never had an issue with the girl not matching the pics. As far as where I stay it has always been in a hotel or apartment with security. You need to be more direct. They know why you are in Colombia. If you are asking them to meet you in a restaurant then you may be confusing them? They don't know if you are looking for a girlfriend or a prepago? I have girls tell me they go out for money if they feel I am being to nice when chatting. Above all, don't overpay. 200 k for a couple of rounds is good enough.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2330646]I don't know how good your Spanish is, but you really should firm up a price with them before having them come to your place. If you don't agree to the price beforehand, there could be lots of problems, and sometimes there's even problems when you have an agreed upon price beforehand. You might want to consider meeting them at a Coffee shop or other place within a few blocks of your place to work out the details beforehand. You may want to bail on some of these Chicas immediately upon meeting them because they don't look anything like the photos you saw, and if so, it will be much easier in a public place. And if you think these women are going to bang you for free, well I am sorry to inform you that's not going to happen.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2330874]FB is not [URL]match.com[/URL]. Most of the girls I have met or made friends with are prepagos or just girls looking to make some money. To be honest I have never had an issue with the girl not matching the pics. As far as where I stay it has always been in a hotel or apartment with security. You need to be more direct. They know why you are in Colombia. If you are asking them to meet you in a restaurant then you may be confusing them? They don't know if you are looking for a girlfriend or a prepago? I have girls tell me they go out for money if they feel I am being to nice when chatting. Above all, don't overpay. 200 k for a couple of rounds is good enough..[/QUOTE]Some good points for NorthStar to consider in what he does in MDE. Especially being somewhere with security, and if he has no Spanish speaking skills better yet he stay in a girl friendly hotel that requires a Cedula for visitors. I don't do FB Chicas and it's good to hear you have had no issues and the girls have been as they have represented themselves. However, I personally would be reluctant to just have a FB Chica just show up at my place without meeting her beforehand to reconfirm what is agreed to and make sure something isn't amiss. I guess a lot of guys do FB Chicas like yourself with no problems.

That is the question.

There's a former webcam model I was working with. She only worked for a few months, and quit without notice over an issue that she had been warned about, insecure boyfriend. It wasn't really her fault and I don't hold a grudge against her, but she is a symbol for all the little problems which ended my stay in Medellin. The worst part about it, if she had stuck with it for 3 or 4 more weeks, she'd be making 5 million pesos a month by now. Oh well.

I ended up chatting with her today. I liked something of hers on FB and she sent a message. After the round of Como estás we started reminiscing about working together. I offered to send her all the pictures I took, tossed in a compliment and offered to take more. And the game was on.

After a bit of back and forth, just light flirting, I offered to do a show with her when I get to town. There was a long pause before she asked if I meant a show to transmit. No, just for fun. That got an immediate response of, except you'll pay me? Paisas tend to be predictable.

I won't really grudge fuck her. I plan to make it something she'll remember fondly.

Now I just need to reconnect with one other girl who was nothing but problems.

Update:

The FB hottie wants 300 k, came right out with it when I asked the right questions in the right way. Thanks guys. I agreed to it and added that it would need to be unas horas and multiple relations and she said si amor, so that one's a date. I'm thinking about walking it back to 150 k for one hour and seeing how it goes. Her name is Yolaidis, let me know if you know her?

The Colombian Cupid beauty appears to have been a good girl and may have been offended by my awkward Spanish beating around the Bush with "compensation for our time together". As of now she's ghosting me.

There's a "universidad" agency / casa on mileroticos that has some very attractive chicas for 120 k / hora. Has anyone gone to these places?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2331075]I don't hold a grudge against her, but she is a symbol for all the little problems which ended my stay in Medellin.

Now I just need to reconnect with one other girl who was nothing but problems.[/QUOTE]Millions of chicks. Why are you trying to back track to old problems dude? Let those ships sail and move on to new frontiers. Don't be a glutton for punishment. A smart man learns from his mistakes. A wise man learns from the mistakes of others. A fool goes searching out the same mistakes over and over again.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2331140]Millions of chicks. Why are you trying to back track to old problems dude? Let those ships sail and move on to new frontiers. Don't be a glutton for punishment. A smart man learns from his mistakes. A wise man learns from the mistakes of others. A fool goes searching out the same mistakes over and over again.[/QUOTE]I'm smart, wise and foolish, often all at the same time.

There's 2 different cases here. The first one, the girl I talked about, wasn't a problem. Sweet face, excellent body, nice personality, she was really trying to make it. But, when she decided to do webcam, her boyfriend threw a fit until she agreed to do webcam with him, as a couple.

Three different people explained everything to him, but every day he would create another obstacle. He would keep her from showing up, or make her late. At one point he started demanding to bring their kid along to the apartment and have me babysit. Several times he tried to get in my face over silly drama he created. Due to the difference in height, he could just get in my chest. At the point when they were just starting to make money, he made her quit.

While working with her, my own rules kept me away from her. If not for that, I would have already had a time with her. Now I'll have a better time, because I know more about what she can do and what she likes.

The other girl, who was nothing but problems is, I believe, bipolar. I won't put any effort into finding her. I have more than enough experience with bipolar girls.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2331140]Millions of chicks. Why are you trying to back track to old problems dude? Let those ships sail and move on to new frontiers. Don't be a glutton for punishment. A smart man learns from his mistakes. A wise man learns from the mistakes of others. A fool goes searching out the same mistakes over and over again.[/QUOTE]Whooo seems like he loves the pain LOL. Man it's millions over there. Make the smart choice. Think with your big head and not the small one.

Take your favourite Paisa to Teatro Metropolitano at a spectacular event like Zuruzuela and have dinner afterwards at the small but very good Italian Pomodoro (Clle 73).

Things will never be the same again; Show off quality and impress the Medellin community.

FB chicks, I have done that as well, but I want to forget, the real events, those I remember for life!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2331140]A smart man learns from his mistakes. A wise man learns from the mistakes of others. A fool goes searching out the same mistakes over and over again.[/QUOTE]You are quite the poet today Mr. E.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2331236]I'm smart, wise and foolish, often all at the same time.

There's 2 different cases here. The first one, the girl I talked about, wasn't a problem. Sweet face, excellent body, nice personality, she was really trying to make it. But, when she decided to do webcam, her boyfriend threw a fit until she agreed to do webcam with him, as a couple.

Three different people explained everything to him, but every day he would create another obstacle. He would keep her from showing up, or make her late. At one point he started demanding to bring their kid along to the apartment and have me babysit. Several times he tried to get in my face over silly drama he created. Due to the difference in height, he could just get in my chest. At the point when they were just starting to make money, he made her quit.

While working with her, my own rules kept me away from her. If not for that, I would have already had a time with her. Now I'll have a better time, because I know more about what she can do and what she likes.

The other girl, who was nothing but problems is, I believe, bipolar. I won't put any effort into finding her. I have more than enough experience with bipolar girls.[/QUOTE]Sorry but this sounds like something out of soap opera.

Thank you for all for the tips. I booked a ticket to Medellin for Thanksgiving. Staying in Provenza for 11 nights (thank you for the tips on this area, seems much better than Lleras).

I speak decent Spanish so I started to build my Facebook database. Did it way too early. Now I have 70+ chicas, all ready to see me. Maybe I shouldn't have said I was already there. Now I need to delay them until I come.

It seems like yoga pants are not a thing in Colombia. Which blows my mind, considering how good these paisas would look in them. This is one Western thing that I hope makes its way to Colombia. Do any of you see girls wear them regularly like we see in the US?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2331389]Sorry but this sounds like something out of soap opera.[/QUOTE]That's a pretty accurate description.

[QUOTE=AmoMedellin;2331317]Take your favourite Paisa to Teatro Metropolitano at a spectacular event like Zuruzuela and have dinner afterwards at the small but very good Italian Pomodoro (Clle 73).

Things will never be the same again; Show off quality and impress the Medellin community.

FB chicks, I have done that as well, but I want to forget, the real events, those I remember for life![/QUOTE]Based on your post it sounds like your a patron of the arts, hob knob with the rich and famous, and have impressed the Medellin community. If so, that is spectacular!

Just an unsolicited tip, I think paying 300 k for 2 hrs with a facebook girl is way too much. You can find similar quality girls in centro and in casas de citas. The minimum wage / pension in Colombia is around 850 k peso / month; some of the girls in the smaller casas de citas usually make around minimum wage every month (they get 25 k-30 k / polvo). Some of these girls will gladly spend the whole night with you for 150 k pesos. But obviously some negotiation has to be done.

Alternatively there is a huge influx of venezuelans that are trying to make money, these girls will also gladly spend the whole night with you for 150 k. Where to find them? Literally on any street in centro look for the girls walking around selling candy and ask them.

The political situation in Venezuela is creating an interesting, and incredibly cheap sex market in Colombia. Idk anywhere else in the world you can get this quality of girl for so incredibly cheap.

Obviously you can keep negotiating down, especially with girls that aren't familiar with gringo markets nor gringo prices. The girls that work mostly in local markets would jump at these prices. I say 150 k because to me that is a good fucking deal for the whole night or whole day, but I've had some girls agree to 100 k, but at that point it's like how cheap can we be LOL. 100 k is $30, that's like 2 meals in New York LOL. To put it into perspective some of the cheaper casa girls from the small casas may get 1 - 2 clients a day and make 30 k / client, that's $16.

[QUOTE=SallySally;2331507]Just an unsolicited tip, I think paying 300 k for 2 hrs with a facebook girl is way too much.[/QUOTE]But you know how it is. Mfs at home horny and lonely and want to preplan pussy on the internet are going to get the worst deal. I remember my first trip to the north of Thailand. I wanted to set up a tour before I got there. I emailed the company on the internet and they told me the all day tour was $100. I put if off. When I landed at the airport they had a kiosk with the tours. The same damn tour was $50. I still was uneasy about it so I did not make the deal. I got to the hotel and at the hotel the same freaking tour was $30!

A couple of years ago I had some guys come in to Thailand from UAE. They wanted to head down to Phuket so I suffered the trip with them. We wanted to go on a tour so we went to a kiosk on the street that had tours. Price for the all day tour was $40. I told the lady that was too damn much and said we can pay $30 each. She agreed with no hesitation.

Hopefully one day these guys will learn about trying to set up pussy online 8 months in advance. But when you are back home not getting any pussy and ready to jump at the first chick that shows you attention, I doubt it. Instead of looking at it as their lucky day to be getting the attention of some pussy, they need to look at it as it is the chick's lucky day to be able to earn some money. Remember, if she was able to find 3 mfs per day that were shelling out the dosh that some of these in the dark guys are reporting, then she would not be living in the ghetto that she is living in. $100 for 2 hours in a third world country?

Come on man; please get some common sense before you travel. Now I have admittedly never gotten a facebook chick. But I have seen 1000 times on here that people have said 150K for facebook chicks. Why would you go and agree to double?

[QUOTE=NorthStar1;2331131]Update:

The FB hottie wants 300 k, came right out with it when I asked the right questions in the right way. Thanks guys. I agreed to it and added that it would need to be unas horas and multiple relations and she said si amor, so that one's a date. I'm thinking about walking it back to 150 k for one hour and seeing how it goes. Her name is Yolaidis, let me know if you know her?

The Colombian Cupid beauty appears to have been a good girl and may have been offended by my awkward Spanish beating around the Bush with "compensation for our time together". As of now she's ghosting me.

There's a "universidad" agency / casa on mileroticos that has some very attractive chicas for 120 k / hora. Has anyone gone to these places?[/QUOTE]The universidad casa if near a mall, rio sur if memory serves me right, is a good one. Its on the third floor and you would have to be let in by a buzzer.

Dude you are being way too timid with these FB chica friends. Would you rather be ghosted for being forward in a pleasant way or for sounding dum and clueless. Just do it with confidence and in a nice manner. "Can we spend the time together in my room" type Qs.

Then if you get a yes, you can ask details.

Funny story, I did that with a chica once and got a immediate no, and goodbye. I assumed I asked wrong. 2 months later she must have needed dinero or something, I got a "what is your proposal". Pity I was back from my trip.

Another idea is you can just ask for the what's app and take the same convo on that chick you got for 300 k to whatsapp, and do it the confidently the way it was discussed here. You propose the amount 150 k, etc and then once agreed negotiate the services. Report back here how it went. I wish people would just be smarter and a bit bolder.

[QUOTE=AmoMedellin;2331317]Take your favourite Paisa to Teatro Metropolitano at a spectacular event like Zuruzuela and have dinner afterwards at the small but very good Italian Pomodoro (Clle 73).

Things will never be the same again; Show off quality and impress the Medellin community.

FB chicks, I have done that as well, but I want to forget, the real events, those I remember for life![/QUOTE]This has got me interested. Can you share a trip report or an experience with paisa where you have done this. What kind of girl was it, where did you meet her? And what were the benefits of "impressing the Medellin community"?

[QUOTE=NorthStar1;2331131]Update:

The FB hottie wants 300 k, came right out with it when I asked the right questions in the right way. Thanks guys. I agreed to it[/QUOTE]I understand that you new and ready to overpay. I had done the same in BKK when I was starting out in the hobby. But here is some advice on Cartagena thread about negotiating with chicks.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2327090]I am not sure why guys can't follow this one simple rule. Offer the price you think is fair and move on if she says no.

You will get a yes far more often than you think at those price levels. 150 k pretty much always gets it done in MDE.

Instead guys get into all sorts of twists and mess up.

Also always negotiate the things you want ahead of the price, it's either a yes or no after that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2327386]Can confirm. I started asking FB MDE ladies what their price is. Got various responses of 150,200 or 250 plus taxi.

Then instead of asking I just started offering 150 plus taxi to every girl (thanks to some post here on ISG). Most of them, even some really hot ones agreed without any fuss. Didn't even bother with girls who insisted 200.[/QUOTE]Though there are exceptions as I have overspent on a girl from Troya, Bogota over multiple days because she was able to push my buttons the way no other girl could and I was willing to pay for that.

[QUOTE=SallySally;2331507]Alternatively there is a huge influx of venezuelans that are trying to make money, these girls will also gladly spend the whole night with you for 150 k. Where to find them? Literally on any street in centro look for the girls walking around selling candy and ask them.

The political situation in Venezuela is creating an interesting, and incredibly cheap sex market in Colombia. Idk anywhere else in the world you can get this quality of girl for so incredibly cheap..[/QUOTE]Lots of good information in your Post about casas and other stuff, however the part on the Venezuelans needs clarification as it is misleading.

You will see lots of girls selling candy, however they are not all from Venezuela, lots of Colombians sell candy as well. The main congregation of Venezuelan hookers in EL Centro is in and around the Museum de Antoquia, the park directly in front of it, and the pedestrian walkway to the Veracruz Church. Yesterday afternoon there was at least a hundred of them out there if not more. They typically are in groups of two to four girls. In the last two months there has been a major influx of them. However the majority of these Venezuelans are disgusting being overweight and ugly. There are very few "quality" girls among them as you state in your post.

In my opinion the Venezuelans have squeezed the Colombians out in the area I mentioned to a certain degree just based on there sheer numbers and rock bottom pricing. It's been harder and harder for me to find nice Colombian girls in this area over the past months and my Colombian regulars don't like what has happened in the area. There has also been robberies and violence occurring with some of the Venezuelans as well. Up until a few months ago it was cool having the Venezuelans show up, putting a little pressure on pricing, etc. But know I wish the situation in their Country would get resolved and they leave.

In regards to your statement that these girls will gladly spend the night with you for 150 K, well I am sure some of the grotesque ones would, but who would want to do that. Also Spanish speaking skills would be required to do so.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2331518]Come on man; please get some common sense before you travel. Now I have admittedly never gotten a facebook chick. But I have seen 1000 times on here that people have said 150K for facebook chicks. Why would you go and agree to double?[/QUOTE]There were several posts beforehand giving him advice, tips, and price points for him to use, but he didn't take the advice given him that he requested from this group. Sometimes stupid is just stupid.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2331548]This has got me interested. Can you share a trip report or an experience with paisa where you have done this. What kind of girl was it, where did you meet her? And what were the benefits of "impressing the Medellin community"?[/QUOTE]My bet is you will get a very interesting response to this, or most probably nothing at all.

I mainly see FB girls. I always pay between 150 k to 200 k and cabs for a full GFE experience. I always tell them that if they treat me well I will invite them back. They stay for multiple relaciones and as promised I call them back for a repeat. You should not commit to 300 k. What if there is no chemistry? What if you just don't like her and you don't click well? If the girl wants repeat service she will take care of you. Offering 300 k tells them you are inexperienced

[QUOTE=SallySally;2331507]Just an unsolicited tip, I think paying 300 k for 2 hrs with a facebook girl is way tío much. You can find similar quality girls in centro and in casas de citas. The minimum wage / pension in Colombia is around 850 k peso / month; some of the girls in the smaller casas de citas usually make around minimum wage every month (they get 25 k-30 k / polvo). Some of these girls will gladly spend the whole night with you for 150 k pesos. But obviously some negotiation has to be done.

Alternatively there is a huge influx of venezuelans that are trying to make money, these girls will also gladly spend the whole night with you for 150 k. Where to find them? Literally on any street in centro look for the girls walking around selling candy and ask them.

The political situation in Venezuela is creating an interesting, and incredibly cheap sex market in Colombia. Idk anywhere else in the world you can get this quality of girl for so incredibly cheap.

Obviously you can keep negotiating down, especially with girls that aren't familiar with gringo markets nor gringo prices. The girls that work mostly in local markets would jump at these prices. I say 150 k because to me that is a good fucking deal for the whole night or whole day, but I've had some girls agree to 100 k, but at that point it's like how cheap can we be LOL. 100 k is $30, that's like 2 meals in New York LOL. To put it into perspective some of the cheaper casa girls from the small casas may get 1 - 2 clients a day and make 30 k / client, that's $16.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2331543]The universidad casa if near a mall, rio sur if memory serves me right, is a good one. Its on the third floor and you would have to be let in by a buzzer.[/QUOTE]Is it a discreet place or is their a sign on the front?

Also has anyone been to Medellin during Feria De Las Flores? My buddy is trying to figure out if he should come that weekend or wait until it is over. Are their less girls available during the festival? What about the prices?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2331696] In regards to your statement that these girls will gladly spend the night with you for 150 K, well I am sure some of the grotesque ones would, but who would want to do that. Also Spanish speaking skills would be required to do so.[/QUOTE]Had two separate chicas who stayed TLN last trip. I didn't ask either before and they just ended up having a good time and staying. They were both repeats but definitely not grotesque. Point being they might not stay the 1st time for 150 k but it is definitely possible.

[QUOTE=Sho423;2331866]Is it a discreet place or is their a sign on the front?

Also has anyone been to Medellin during Feria De Las Flores? My buddy is trying to figure out if he should come that weekend or wait until it is over. Are their less girls available during the festival? What about the prices?[/QUOTE]If he's coming to be a tourist, then Feria de Las Flores is great. There will be no problem finding girls and prices shouldn't go up.

If he's coming strictly for the girls, why deal with the crowds and the higher room prices? Come a week or two later or earlier.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2331140]Millions of chicks. Why are you trying to back track to old problems dude? Let those ships sail and move on to new frontiers. Don't be a glutton for punishment. A smart man learns from his mistakes. A wise man learns from the mistakes of others. A fool goes searching out the same mistakes over and over again.[/QUOTE]After sleeping on it, I realized I never answered your question. I'll give a try because it may be of help to others.

I'll start by asking you a question. Why do you have a girlfriend, or to be more accurate, girlfriends? There's millions of chicks, millions more for you, since I'm back to 1 or 2 trips a year. Why keep going back to the same girl in each place where you visit often?

For me, the answer is because I enjoy having a level of familiarity with someone. It works, for me, on several levels. First, there's no rush. I'm not trying to beat the clock and she's not rushing to get to the next customer. There are also more things to talk about, without opening up some sob story. Ask some of the girls if they have kids and you'll hear about how sick, how expensive, how poor. Whether you fall for it or not, it's still a major distraction.

Then there are the referrals. Most girls will give you a name and number if you ask, but how many are just trying to get a payday for a friend? If someone I've spent a bit of time with refers someone to me, it's usually because they know what I like. The flip side is getting the warnings about girls who don't live up to the hype. That happened and I ignored the warning. What I got wasn't worth what I paid.

However, any girl who was an actual problem, I'm not interested in. This includes girls who begged for money, girls who were seriously late, girls who showed up and we're surprised to find out they were on their period and girls who insisted on CBJ.

I'll be in Medellin for 12 days, unless I decide to take a side trip for a day or two. While there I'll see at least 3 girls who are repeats for me. I'll also see 2 or 3 that I know, but never had the chance to session with. Then there's 1 referral who'll come for a 3 some with a previous girl. That should be a real 3 some instead of the standard Paisa trio. There's also 2 waitresses who I know well, but never got together with, along with a couple of friends who I'll just meet for lunch or dinner. In between, I'll visit a few casas to see if anyone tempts me.

Should be a fun time.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2331696]Up until a few months ago it was cool having the Venezuelans show up, putting a little pressure on pricing, etc. But know I wish the situation in their Country would get resolved and they leave.[/QUOTE]Thats a pretty counter intuitive statement. I don't what they have done to centro Medellin, but streetie cuties have made Santa Fe, Bogota Lit. 🔥 🔥 🔥.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2331696] Up until a few months ago it was cool having the Venezuelans show up, putting a little pressure on pricing, etc. But know I wish the situation in their Country would get resolved and they leave.
[/QUOTE]There's no quality to be had with Venezuelans anywhere in Colombia? Man, that sounds disappointing.

My observation of the area is mostly similar to Surfer's. Just to add, there is an influx of poor, non-Paisa, Colombians as well, and the robberies and violence could possibly be done largely by these Colombian new-comers rather than the Venezuelans. However, I see that the locals are blaming Venezuelans.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2331696]Lots of good information in your Post about casas and other stuff, however the part on the Venezuelans needs clarification as it is misleading.

You will see lots of girls selling candy, however they are not all from Venezuela, lots of Colombians sell candy as well. The main congregation of Venezuelan hookers in EL Centro is in and around the Museum de Antoquia, the park directly in front of it, and the pedestrian walkway to the Veracruz Church. Yesterday afternoon there was at least a hundred of them out there if not more. They typically are in groups of two to four girls. In the last two months there has been a major influx of them. However the majority of these Venezuelans are disgusting being overweight and ugly. There are very few "quality" girls among them as you state in your post..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2331927]My observation of the area is mostly similar to Surfer's. Just to add, there is an influx of poor, non-Paisa, Colombians as well, and the robberies and violence could possibly be done largely by these Colombian new-comers rather than the Venezuelans. However, I see that the locals are blaming Venezuelans.[/QUOTE]Hmmm, well I hit el Centro yesterday and I saw typically the same Colombian girls as always at Veracruz, plus a few newbies.

In the park, lots of people, lots of Venezolanas, some fatties of course, and some cuties, and some real cuties as well.

Didn't encounter or see any aggressive or gross behavior by any of them.

Just the opposite really.

Walked down the street where all the venezolanas work in the tavernas, dancing and drinking, earning money enticing guys to drink.

Though they typically only earn about 1 mil pesos per beer the guys buy for them to drink.

Lots of hot Venies on that street.

With spanish ability and personality, it's pretty easy to flirt and get phone numbers.

I kinda dig the Venezolanas!

I used to have an apartment in Caracas before the craziness, easy for me to talk and bond with the girlies, reminiscing of the good times in the clubs and areparias.

I'm sure there's some Venez riff raff too, however, I think the good outweighs the bad by a lot.
IMHO.

If you like it, that's great. Enjoy it while it lasts.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2332183]Hmmm, well I hit el Centro yesterday and I saw typically the same Colombian girls as always at Veracruz, plus a few newbies.

In the park, lots of people, lots of Venezolanas, some fatties of course, and some cuties, and some real cuties as well.

Didn't encounter or see any aggressive or gross behavior by any of them.

Just the opposite really.

Walked down the street where all the venezolanas work in the tavernas, dancing and drinking, earning money enticing guys to drink.

Though they typically only earn about 1 mil pesos per beer the guys buy for them to drink.

Lots of hot Venies on that street..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2331927]My observation of the area is mostly similar to Surfer's. Just to add, there is an influx of poor, non-Paisa, Colombians as well, and the robberies and violence could possibly be done largely by these Colombian new-comers rather than the Venezuelans. However, I see that the locals are blaming Venezuelans.[/QUOTE]It's always easy and very common for locals to blame immigrants for all the problems of the world. I have seen it in many countries, most notably in my own, when locals started murdering immigrants becuase they thought that they were stealing their jobs, ruining their local businesses etc. It's called protectionism and is a direct result of a world with borders.

[QUOTE=Riina;2331921]There's no quality to be had with Venezuelans anywhere in Colombia? Man, that sounds disappointing.[/QUOTE]Relax there are some nice Venezuelans to be had, you just have to be patient and sift thru all of the disgusting ones!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2331140]Millions of chicks. Why are you trying to back track to old problems dude? Let those ships sail and move on to new frontiers.[/QUOTE]Could not agree with you more. No reboot of financial based relationships.

Was in El Centro today and couldn't find any of my Colombian regulars so I decided to hang out by the Veracruz Church for a while. Lots of girls with bags of candy walking around and I saw one of interest so I motioned her over. I gave her a 200 Peso coin and took a piece of candy. I then put the piece of candy back in the bag, I really did not want it, but was more interested in the merchandise. Nice smile, big tits, twenty two years old, a little bigger than I typically like but after talking with her she was very pleasant and told me she was from Venezuela with two kids. One thing led to another, and besides selling candy, of course she did "ratos" and quoted me 25,000 Pesos for everything. So I could of been a hard ass and said 20,000 Pesos which I know she would of accepted but declined to. Checked into the Hotel Zona Rosa, took showers, and then I sat her down and told her if she did a good job, there would be tip for her. That put a smile on her face and she delivered. Afterwards she told me she was in Medellin with her Mom, Aunt, Uncle and her kids They have been in Medellin for a month now and crossed into Colombia with their Cedulas as allowed by Immigration. I asked her if her other family members were working in MDE and she said no as they did not have permits to do so. So my final question to her was, how do they survive if they don't have work. The answer was, they were relying on her solely. A sad tale for me and an eye opener has to how bad things must be for them. I told her about what was going on in the USA, with the difference being the Central Americans fearing for their lives, versus the Venezuelans starving more or less. Such a sweetheart, I felt really bad for her and gave her 50,000 Pesos.

You know, I always wondered why girls who make less money don't go to Parque Lleras and charge 100 k-150 k sessions to beat out the standard 200 k-300 k sessions charged to gringos. One girl I met in a casa told me that there was a price lock in parque lleras because there is a person / group that runs this zone and the girls that work there all need to pay a fee to this person / group in order work there. She said if the fee wasn't paid there would probably be some type of extorsion / racketeering done to the said streetwalker, or maybe intimidation tactics. She said the streetwalker sex trade in Medellin was somewhat equivalent to the drug trade in the sense that different groups run different parts of town. I don't know what the fee is, but if you've read my previous posts you could probably tell I'm interested in the economics of the sex trade, as it helps in negotiating better long term deals and is in general interesting to me.

Anyway I can't really investigate further I'm in Brazil right now, but if one of you were interested in discovering more about the economics of the sexual marketplace in Medellin, ask a parque lleras streetwalker who the "dueña de la zona" is and how much she charges them, her rules, etc. This may be interesting. Or it might all be bullshit from a casa girl LOL that made up some ridiculous excuse for why she didn't want to work in lleras and make 5 x more in one session than she does in 1 day.

Currently staying at Blux Apartamentos in Poblado. I heard beforehand that they were chica friendly, and they technically are, but the doorwomen are complete hardasses who won't let any chica through that doesn't have her physical ID on her. I've already had two regulars ejected because one only had a photo of her ID on her phone and the other brought a passport instead. Apparently a passport isn't considered a proper ID in Colombia, someone explain that to me!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2331697]There were several posts beforehand giving him advice, tips, and price points for him to use, but he didn't take the advice given him that he requested from this group. Sometimes stupid is just stupid.[/QUOTE]I think people need to give newbies a break. It is not just about knowing the prices.

I don't know what he thinks but I see he did negotiate from his post to get multiple hours and multiple shots which may not be necessary. That maybe the reason he thinks the price is OK.

More experience mongers will have better discipline so they are always ready to walk away from a bad deal, the same can't be said for newbies.

[QUOTE=Talon;2332313]Currently staying at Blux Apartamentos in Poblado. I heard beforehand that they were chica friendly, and they technically are, but the doorwomen are complete hardasses who won't let any chica through that doesn't have her physical ID on her. I've already had two regulars ejected because one only had a photo of her ID on her phone and the other brought a passport instead. Apparently a passport isn't considered a proper ID in Colombia, someone explain that to me![/QUOTE]How many places in the US, that require an ID, will accept a picture of your driver's license? Try that one at a liquor store some time.

The girls all know that they need their cedula. If they have a passport, and are over 18, they have a cedula. Why would anyone carry their passport instead of their cedula, or other government ID, in their own country? Was she expecting you to fly her to Dubai?

There are 4 reasons why your girls didn't get in to the building.

1. They aren't old enough.

2. The IDs they were trying to use, weren't theirs.

3. They lost their IDs and were trying to get by.

4. They loaned their IDs to someone who isn't old enough.

Security probably has strict rules about who they allow to enter. One of the rules is probably that all women, entering as guests of gringos, must present a valid cedula. When you set up with the girls you should be telling them, no cedula, no cita.

[QUOTE=SallySally;2332296]You know, I always wondered why girls who make less money don't go to Parque Lleras and charge 100 k-150 k sessions to beat out the standard 200 k-300 k sessions charged to gringos. One girl I met in a casa told me that there was a price lock in parque lleras because there is a person / group that runs this zone and the girls that work there all need to pay a fee to this person / group in order work there. She said if the fee wasn't paid there would probably be some type of extorsion / racketeering done to the said streetwalker, or maybe intimidation tactics. She said the streetwalker sex trade in Medellin was somewhat equivalent to the drug trade in the sense that different groups run different parts of town. I don't know what the fee is, but if you've read my previous posts you could probably tell I'm interested in the economics of the sex trade, as it helps in negotiating better long term deals and is in general interesting to me.

Anyway I can't really investigate further I'm in Brazil right now, but if one of you were interested in discovering more about the economics of the sexual marketplace in Medellin, ask a parque lleras streetwalker who the "duea de la zona" is and how much she charges them, her rules, etc. This may be interesting. Or it might all be bullshit from a casa girl LOL that made up some ridiculous excuse for why she didn't want to work in lleras and make 5 x more in one session than she does in 1 day.[/QUOTE]Seems highly doubtful to me. I've invited dozens of girls, from all over, to attend parties in Parque Lleras. I have a friend who invites hundreds a few times a year and has done so for several years. Often the girls will come to a party, take advantage of the paid taxi, get some free drinks and then head out to the park to see if they can get a higher price.

There are also a wide variety of women working the park. From the low end, the one I call Frankenstein, an experiment in excessive body modification that went horribly wrong, to genuine college girls, who only show up once a month.

[QUOTE=SallySally;2332296]You know, I always wondered why girls who make less money don't go to Parque Lleras and charge 100 k-150 k sessions to beat out the standard 200 k-300 k sessions charged to gringos. One girl I met in a casa told me that there was a price lock in parque lleras because there is a person / group that runs this zone and the girls that work there all need to pay a fee to this person / group in order work there. She said if the fee wasn't paid there would probably be some type of extorsion / racketeering done to the said streetwalker, or maybe intimidation tactics. She said the streetwalker sex trade in Medellin was somewhat equivalent to the drug trade in the sense that different groups run different parts of town. I don't know what the fee is, but if you've read my previous posts you could probably tell I'm interested in the economics of the sex trade, as it helps in negotiating better long term deals and is in general interesting to me.

Anyway I can't really investigate further I'm in Brazil right now, but if one of you were interested in discovering more about the economics of the sexual marketplace in Medellin, ask a parque lleras streetwalker who the "duea de la zona" is and how much she charges them, her rules, etc. This may be interesting. Or it might all be bullshit from a casa girl LOL that made up some ridiculous excuse for why she didn't want to work in lleras and make 5 x more in one session than she does in 1 day.[/QUOTE]You are aware that all of the girls selling candy in Medellin are members of the "Dulce Union" which set prices that they can sell the candy for. I will head up to Parque Lleras tonight and report back to you in the morning as to what I find out about the economics of the sexual marketplace there.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2332280]Relax there are some nice Venezuelans to be had, you just have to be patient and sift thru all of the disgusting ones![/QUOTE]I'm confused about the demand for Venezuelans. Last I checked, they have all the same body parts as Colombians and they fuck the same. Maybe people are hoping to save some money, but when street prices in El Centro are already at 30 k, any savings is going to be minimal.

Then there's the comparison. I've walked those streets many times. There are always plenty of old, fat and ugly Colombians to be found. Heck, if she's still around, there's the toothless, one-legged woman who is always hopping around Veracruz. Sure you can find a few who are gems, although after 4 trips through you might have lowered your standards.

It really isn't a surprise that the lower quality Venezuelans have found their way to Botero Plaza. It's right next to the area where all the lower quality Colombians can be found. If you were a 8 or 9 girl, needing to make money, would you go where you can only hope to get 30 k or less each session, or would you go where you can get 150-250 k?

[QUOTE=Talon;2332313]Currently staying at Blux Apartamentos in Poblado. I heard beforehand that they were chica friendly, and they technically are, but the doorwomen are complete hardasses who won't let any chica through that doesn't have her physical ID on her. I've already had two regulars ejected because one only had a photo of her ID on her phone and the other brought a passport instead. Apparently a passport isn't considered a proper ID in Colombia, someone explain that to me![/QUOTE]I have been staying there for years. It used to be wide open. There have been many incidents there with guys throwing crazy parties and disturbing the people who live there. Many apartments there now have T&Cs prohibiting prostitution and you can be be evicted if you create a scene. My advise (worth what you pay for it), keep a low profile. I suspect the reason a Passport isn't accepted is that the door woman has an app that checks the validity of the Cedula and that this app does not work on passports. Tell your chicas they have to bring a physical official Cedula (many have these counterfeit letters saying it is a temporary Cedula). Making a scene, being disrespectful or having a high profile is only going to result in harsher policies on future guests. I had girls showing up with all kinds of crazy ID and had no issues with the doorwoman turning them away. I told them exactly what they needed to bring and its not hard to get a replacement chica in Medellin in short order. I also tell them to dress reasonably, not like a hooker selling her ass on the street. I consider the door woman a feature not a bug. She will keep you out of the Colombian penal system preventing young girls with fake Cedulas from entering. I always treat her with respect and even tip her on occasion.....

Just been in Fase dos the last days and talked to various girls. Quality average is 7/10 , only 2 or 3 stunners. But damn man, have the prices been inflated since last year, 3 girls asked 800 K for the whole night. And one girls asked for 300, I thought she meant 300 k peso but she explained its US dollars hahahaha. I said thats a cute little trick. Obviously I'm never going to pay that shite but its interesting to hear what's on their mind. Another girl with 10 body, which all the men were drooling over wanted 400 k for an hour and 600-800 for toda la noche LOL again. Some were willing to go down 600 k but that's about it.

Gringos must have really thrown around money here because otherwise I wouldn't hear this shite.

I avoided google translation and just spoke my terrible beginner Spanish. Perhaps if I spoke better spanish it wouldn't make any difference either because the girls are not here for that, they are here to scam clueless gringos.

My cab driver told me that the reason you see the hottest girls mostly at gringo places is exactly because you pay a lot of money and we get them for free or over a hamburger. These are results of Medellin being overexposed.

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;2332542]I have been staying there for years. It used to be wide open. There have been many incidents there with guys throwing crazy parties and disturbing the people who live there. Many apartments there now have T&Cs prohibiting prostitution and you can be be evicted if you create a scene. My advise (worth what you pay for it), keep a low profile. I suspect the reason a Passport isn't accepted is that the door woman has an app that checks the validity of the Cedula and that this app does not work on passports. Tell your chicas they have to bring a physical official Cedula (many have these counterfeit letters saying it is a temporary Cedula). Making a scene, being disrespectful or having a high profile is only going to result in harsher policies on future guests. I had girls showing up with all kinds of crazy ID and had no issues with the doorwoman turning them away. I told them exactly what they needed to bring and its not hard to get a replacement chica in Medellin in short order. I also tell them to dress reasonably, not like a hooker selling her ass on the street...[/QUOTE]Excellent advice on all counts, especially maintaining a low profile.

[QUOTE=Jayson01;2332558]Just been in Fase dos the last days and talked to various girls. Quality average is 7/10 , only 2 or 3 stunners. But damn man, have the prices been inflated since last year, 3 girls asked 800 K for the whole night. And one girls asked for 300, I thought she meant 300 k peso but she explained its US dollars hahahaha. I said thats a cute little trick. Obviously I'm never going to pay that shite but its interesting to hear what's on their mind. Another girl with 10 body, which all the men were drooling over wanted 400 k for an hour and 600-800 for toda la noche LOL again. Some were willing to go down 600 k but that's about it.

Gringos must have really thrown around money here because otherwise I wouldn't hear this shite.

I avoided google translation and just spoke my terrible beginner Spanish. Perhaps if I spoke better spanish it wouldn't make any difference either because the girls are not here for that, they are here to scam clueless gringos.

My cab driver told me that the reason you see the hottest girls mostly at gringo places is exactly because you pay a lot of money and we get them for free or over a hamburger. These are results of Medellin being overexposed.[/QUOTE]With the massive influx of Venezuelan women and thirsty, thirsty gringos something has got to give when it comes to pricing. Economically, what happens when high supply meets high demand?

[QUOTE=Lou32;2332569]With the massive influx of Venezuelan women and thirsty, thirsty gringos something has got to give when it comes to pricing. Economically, what happens when high supply meets high demand?[/QUOTE]Nothing, if it's an over supply of bad merchandise.

The equilibrium remains the same.

[QUOTE=Lou32;2332569]With the massive influx of Venezuelan women and thirsty, thirsty gringos something has got to give when it comes to pricing. Economically, what happens when high supply meets high demand?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2332441]...The girls all know that they need their cedula. If they have a passport, and are over 18, they have a cedula. Why would anyone carry their passport instead of their cedula, or other government ID, in their own country?...[/QUOTE]Not necessarily. I knew a lady in Medellin who lost her cedula. She used her passport as her ID for more than a year. I suppose she thought it was not that important to apply for a replacement cedula.

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;2332542] I consider the door woman a feature not a bug. She will keep you out of the Colombian penal system preventing young girls with fake Cedulas from entering. I always treat her with respect and even tip her on occasion.....[/QUOTE]I also view them as a security feature. Less chances of being mugged once WG knows her official ID is recorded. Other than Cuba, wonder why would someone not want a doorman in LatAm?

Every gringo who does not want to go to Centro or doesn't have skill to get FB contacts goes to Fase Dios. And combine that with Gringos comparing the Fase Dios prices to US prices and thinking its a good deal.

[QUOTE=Jayson01;2332558]Just been in Fase dos the last days and talked to various girls. Quality average is 7/10 , only 2 or 3 stunners. But damn man, have the prices been inflated since last year, 3 girls asked 800 K for the whole night. And one girls asked for 300, I thought she meant 300 k peso but she explained its US dollars hahahaha. I said thats a cute little trick. Obviously I'm never going to pay that shite but its interesting to hear what's on their mind. Another girl with 10 body, which all the men were drooling over wanted 400 k for an hour and 600-800 for toda la noche LOL again. Some were willing to go down 600 k but that's about it.

Gringos must have really thrown around money here because otherwise I wouldn't hear this shite.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SallySally;2332296] ...One girl I met in a casa told me that there was a price lock in parque lleras because there is a person / group that runs this zone and the girls that work there all need to pay a fee to this person / group in order work there. She said if the fee wasn't paid there would probably be some type of extorsion / racketeering done to the said streetwalker ...[/QUOTE]Haha, that's funny!

Just like the girl ay Gustos told me the other night that they have to charge a minimum of $200 dollars! LOL.

Then the next day she's texting me, saying Ok papi, 200 mil pesos will do, LOL.

Best thing I've found going in Medellin is just walking about Botero, Veracruz, etc, daytime.

Reconning for something sweet looking.

I hit gold 2 days in a row!

One 18 year old Vennie in Botero, another on the street with the Tavernas.

And actually another cutie working as a waitress passed me her phone number as I was leaving, and said, escríbame!

It's not that hard.

Main tactic, approach nicely, be nice, speaking Spanish maybe not completely required, however, obviously helps immensely.

Not like I'm special or anything, just nice, clean, friendly and I speak very good spanish.

Just as many fat and ugly Colombianas, as Venenozolanas.

Very easy to ignore and pass by.

Don't understand the big deal post concerning them.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2332522]I'm confused about the demand for Venezuelans. Last I checked, they have all the same body parts as Colombians and they fuck the same. Maybe people are hoping to save some money, but when street prices in El Centro are already at 30 k, any savings is going to be minimal.

Then there's the comparison. I've walked those streets many times. There are always plenty of old, fat and ugly Colombians to be found. Heck, if she's still around, there's the toothless, one-legged woman who is always hopping around Veracruz. Sure you can find a few who are gems, although after 4 trips through you might have lowered your standards.

It really isn't a surprise that the lower quality Venezuelans have found their way to Botero Plaza. It's right next to the area where all the lower quality Colombians can be found. If you were a 8 or 9 girl, needing to make money, would you go where you can only hope to get 30 k or less each session, or would you go where you can get 150-250 k?[/QUOTE]So where do you find all of the higher quality Venezuelans then. Do they work in the higher end clubs, casa's, or on Facebook.

And what about the toothless one legged woman around the Veracruz Church. I have been here for several months now and haven't run into her. Maybe she went into retirement?

[QUOTE=Jayson01;2332558]Just been in Fase dos the last days and talked to various girls. Quality average is 7/10 , only 2 or 3 stunners. But damn man, have the prices been inflated since last year, 3 girls asked 800 K for the whole night. And one girls asked for 300, I thought she meant 300 k peso but she explained its US dollars hahahaha. I said thats a cute little trick. Obviously I'm never going to pay that shite but its interesting to hear what's on their mind. Another girl with 10 body, which all the men were drooling over wanted 400 k for an hour and 600-800 for toda la noche LOL again. Some were willing to go down 600 k but that's about it.

Gringos must have really thrown around money here because otherwise I wouldn't hear this shite.

I avoided google translation and just spoke my terrible beginner Spanish. Perhaps if I spoke better spanish it wouldn't make any difference either because the girls are not here for that, they are here to scam clueless gringos.

My cab driver told me that the reason you see the hottest girls mostly at gringo places is exactly because you pay a lot of money and we get them for free or over a hamburger. These are results of Medellin being overexposed.[/QUOTE]Why didn't you just session with them on site for 190 k, get their WhatsApp and set up something when they aren't working?

They are on stage for 2 or 3 songs. They come off and make 100-200 k in tips, plus more if they can get a guy to buy drinks and tip them extra. They can make 300-500 k in the club without fucking anyone. Even more if they do a few sessions. And most of the money is coming from Colombians.

That's what you're competing against. If she leaves the club with you, she has to pay the bar, plus she loses what she would have made. The one offering 400 k must have really liked you, or she was tired.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2332663]Best thing I've found going in Medellin is just walking about Botero, Veracruz, etc, daytime.

Reconning for something sweet looking.

I hit gold 2 days in a row!

One 18 year old Vennie in Botero, another on the street with the Tavernas.

And actually another cutie working as a waitress passed me her phone number as I was leaving, and said, escrbame!

It's not that hard.

Main tactic, approach nicely, be nice, speaking Spanish maybe not completely required, however, obviously helps immensely.

Not like I'm special or anything, just nice, clean, friendly and I speak very good spanish.[/QUOTE]We roll the same. There's nothing like the Botero and Veracruz area for meeting nice girls. However I doubt a non-Spanish speaking person would be able to do what we do as you mentioned.

[QUOTE=Jayson01;2332558]Just been in Fase dos the last days and talked to various girls. Another girl with 10 body, which all the men were drooling over wanted 400 k for an hour and 600-800 for toda la noche LOL again. Some were willing to go down 600 k but that's about it.

Gringos must have really thrown around money here because otherwise I wouldn't hear this shite.
[/QUOTE]Has their on-site price increased as well? Last time I was there it was 190 k for one hour.

I was in Medellin in early April in a apartment with security. They required a cedula where it would be electronically scanned for authenticity. I am glad they do that. I had one girl forget her cedula and they refused to let her in. She should have known better. She came back later on with her cedula. No other IDs are accepted. As the front desk told me it is for my protection.

The front desk told me I can have Venezulean visitors but they needed to have a cedula or a valid passport with entry stamps.



[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2332616]Not necessarily. I knew a lady in Medellin who lost her cedula. She used her passport as her ID for more than a year. I suppose she thought it was not that important to apply for a replacement cedula.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldBelly69;2332701]Has their on-site price increased as well? Last time I was there it was 190 k for one hour.[/QUOTE]Don't think so because I told one girl if you are worth just 190 k here, why do you think you are wort much more outside? She didn't have a good reply.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2332663]Haha, that's funny!

Just like the girl ay Gustos told me the other night that they have to charge a minimum of $200 dollars! LOL.

Then the next day she's texting me, saying Ok papi, 200 mil pesos will do, LOL. [/QUOTE]Yeah, just take the number and wait until they are desperate. Easy rule of attraction but thirsty gringos fail here.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2332645]Every gringo who does not want to go to Centro or doesn't have skill to get FB contacts goes to Fase Dios. And combine that with Gringos comparing the Fase Dios prices to US prices and thinking its a good deal.[/QUOTE]I guess they are the same ones, that travel once every 2 years.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2332645]Every gringo who does not want to go to Centro or doesn't have skill to get FB contacts goes to Fase Dios. And combine that with Gringos comparing the Fase Dios prices to US prices and thinking its a good deal.[/QUOTE]I think most gringos pricing things in their local currency is practically unavoidable. To me, these are like trolls. It's simple; don't feed the trolls. You're not going to change a troll's behavior. By giving them information, you only encourage them to become greater trolls LOL.

There is already an abundance of wholesale information available for people to make informed decisions about what they want to do and how much it cost.

I think variety is great. There is something for everyone. I prefer that to places / options being cannibalized or oversaturated. Obviously, we don't all have to go to the same sources and do things the same way and pay the same prices. Be it a roach motel, luxury apartment with a jacuzzi, tattooed out crack head with a beer belly or student that could pass for a Victoria Secret model, everyone has different tastes.

I've seen enough pussy paradises ruined to determine where my focus needs to be and it isn't on the ill-informed or the trolls. Good luck to all.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2332663]Best thing I've found going in Medellin is just walking about Botero, Veracruz, etc, daytime.

Reconning for something sweet looking.[/QUOTE]Suppose I'm trolling around Botero and I find a sweetie, where do I bring her? I like low end places to do the deed, but not too dirty.

[QUOTE=BayMonger;2331421]Thank you for all for the tips. I booked a ticket to Medellin for Thanksgiving. Staying in Provenza for 11 nights (thank you for the tips on this area, seems much better than Lleras).

I speak decent Spanish so I started to build my Facebook database. Did it way too early. Now I have 70+ chicas, all ready to see me. Maybe I shouldn't have said I was already there. Now I need to delay them until I come.

It seems like yoga pants are not a thing in Colombia. Which blows my mind, considering how good these paisas would look in them. This is one Western thing that I hope makes its way to Colombia. Do any of you see girls wear them regularly like we see in the US?[/QUOTE]Where is this Provenza area? Thanks.

Girls usually have some kickback agreements with the hotels they use.

[QUOTE=Riina;2332924]Suppose I'm trolling around Botero and I find a sweetie, where do I bring her? I like low end places to do the deed, but not too dirty.[/QUOTE]

Provenza is very near El Poblado and Parque Lleras. It's walking distance from Parque Lleras if you don't mind a few steep hills. You are likely asking about it because of lodging or restaurants. Use the search term "Provenza Medellin" in the map application of your choice (Here Maps, Google Maps, Bing maps etc.) to orient yourself.

[QUOTE=SkyJump;2332979]Where is this Provenza area? Thanks.[/QUOTE]

The strip behind the Veracruz church is lined with hotels on both sides of the street. They all cost about the same. Some are slightly better than others.

[QUOTE=Riina;2332924]Suppose I'm trolling around Botero and I find a sweetie, where do I bring her? I like low end places to do the deed, but not too dirty.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SkyJump;2332979]Where is this Provenza area? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Three blocks up the hill from Parque Lleras.

[QUOTE=Riina;2332924]Suppose I'm trolling around Botero and I find a sweetie, where do I bring her? I like low end places to do the deed, but not too dirty.[/QUOTE]Depends on what you want to pay, rooms go from 5 K up to 22 K in the area. Probably the cleanest Hotel in the Pedestrian walkway between the Museum and the Church is Premier Plaza Hotel at 16 K short time. The girls that bring clients there who are regulars I believe get a 2 K kickback. Next best option in the Pedestrian walkway is Hotel Zona Rosa at 13 K with no kickback to the girls. Up the street form the walkway heading to the Metro is Calle Real at 22 K with big rooms. There are other Hotels on the walkway from the Church to the backside of the Church ranging in price down to 5 K but don't expect hot water or two towels at some of these prices. I typically patronize either the Zona Rosa or Premium Plaza as they have hot water and I require all of my Chicas to shower and most of them don't have hot water where they live so sometimes I have to drag them out of the shower!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2333173]Depends on what you want to pay, rooms go from 5 K up to 22 K in the area. Probably the cleanest Hotel in the Pedestrian walkway between the Museum and the Church is Premier Plaza Hotel at 16 K short time. [/QUOTE]

Sorry for asking something really basic, but how much hours do you get to spend inside hotel after paying 16 k at Premier Plaza?

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2333254]Sorry for asking something really basic, but how much hours do you get to spend inside hotel after paying 16 k at Premier Plaza?[/QUOTE]Good question because I have never asked, but what I can tell you I was there today for an hour and a half and nobody knocked. And the one time I was in the Calle Real I was there two hours and nobody knocked, and I have been at Zona Rosa on several occasions for an hour and a half with no knock so for those Hotels I would assume at least a couple of hours.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2332522]I'm confused about the demand for Venezuelans. Last I checked, they have all the same body parts as Colombians and they fuck the same. Maybe people are hoping to save some money, but when street prices in El Centro are already at 30 k, any savings is going to be minimal.

Then there's the comparison. I've walked those streets many times. There are always plenty of old, fat and ugly Colombians to be found. Heck, if she's still around, there's the toothless, one-legged woman who is always hopping around Veracruz. Sure you can find a few who are gems, although after 4 trips through you might have lowered your standards.

It really isn't a surprise that the lower quality Venezuelans have found their way to Botero Plaza. It's right next to the area where all the lower quality Colombians can be found. If you were a 8 or 9 girl, needing to make money, would you go where you can only hope to get 30 k or less each session, or would you go where you can get 150-250 k?[/QUOTE]As a non Spanish speaker (mostly) I find the Venezuelans tend to speak better English. So I guess any preference I have is nothing more than ease of communication.

Here are a few in the area.

4. Motel Lafayette, Carrera 50 # 56-37. Rates: 37 k 5 hours, with Jacuzzi. Tel: _ [URL]http://sexosentido.co/motel-lafayette/sexshop/[/URL].

5. Hotel Eros (Hotel Elegante), Carrera 54 # 54-31. Rates: 31 k-41 k. Tel: (57) (4) 512 62 20. [URL]http://hotelerosmedellin.com/[/URL] [URL]https://twitter.com/HotelEros_col[/URL].

6. Hotel Morgan, Carrera 53 # 53-17, next to Bar El Faro. Rates: _ Tel: _.

7. Noches Divinis, Carrera 53 between Calles 50 to 52. Rates: 10 k. Tel: _.

8. Cascada Plaza, Carrera 53 between Calles 50 to 52. Rates: 5 k. Tel: _.

9. Ensensonte, Carrera 53 between Calles 50 to 52. Rates: 12 k. Tel: _.

10. Asuhotel Dani, Carrera 53 between Calles 50 to 52. Rates: 4 k. Tel: _.

11. Hotel Carruso, Carrera 53 between Calles 50 to 52. Rates: 3 k. Tel: _.

12. Hotel Brisas del Jardin, Calle 51 # 52-79, Of 203. Rates: 3,5 k. Tel: (57) (4) 231 4787.

[QUOTE=Riina;2332924]Suppose I'm trolling around Botero and I find a sweetie, where do I bring her? I like low end places to do the deed, but not too dirty.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jayson01;2328770]I really do hope it is not enforced, because we all know if it wasn't for the chicas most of these one bedroom Airbnbs would be empty. Actually is the first Airbnb in Medellin that I see with that "no sex tourist" label and I'm running out of the time so I might just take the chance and see.[/QUOTE]Airbnb hosts all have their own rules and may or may not choose to enforce those rules. There is no generalization that applies to all "Airbnb". But if your unit is in close proximity to the family or something like that they are not going to want prostitutes around. Best just ask for clarification. I've stayed in a half dozen or so. Only one would have been suitable for guests.

And bribing the owner. LOL. I have my place on Airbnb and if someone tried that I would for sure ban their ass and report it to Airbnb so that as a user of Airbnb other owners would be warned.

[QUOTE=Talon;2332313]Currently staying at Blux Apartamentos in Poblado. I heard beforehand that they were chica friendly, and they technically are, but the doorwomen are complete hardasses who won't let any chica through that doesn't have her physical ID on her. I've already had two regulars ejected because one only had a photo of her ID on her phone and the other brought a passport instead. Apparently a passport isn't considered a proper ID in Colombia, someone explain that to me![/QUOTE]Not hardasses. No legit hotel or apartment would accept anything other than a cedula. It is not even legal for them to "not" have one. And if they don't there is something seriously wrong.

A photo of ID on a phone is almost certainly a scam. Anyway. For your own good insist on an actual cedula so you or the security can check age, etc.

[QUOTE=BayMonger;2331421]Thank you for all for the tips. I booked a ticket to Medellin for Thanksgiving. Staying in Provenza for 11 nights (thank you for the tips on this area, seems much better than Lleras).

I speak decent Spanish so I started to build my Facebook database. Did it way too early. Now I have 70+ chicas, all ready to see me. Maybe I shouldn't have said I was already there. Now I need to delay them until I come.

It seems like yoga pants are not a thing in Colombia. Which blows my mind, considering how good these paisas would look in them. This is one Western thing that I hope makes its way to Colombia. Do any of you see girls wear them regularly like we see in the US?[/QUOTE]Apologize in advance if this is a silly question, but how do you go about searching for girls on Facebook? Are there any groups or any particular search options you use? Thanks!

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2333502]Here are a few in the area.

4. Motel Lafayette, Carrera 50 # 56-37. Rates: 37 k 5 hours, with Jacuzzi. Tel: _ [URL]http://sexosentido.co/motel-lafayette/sexshop/[/URL]..[/QUOTE]I didn't know any short time Hotels existed at 3 K and 4 K in the area and I can only imagine how luxurious they are!

[QUOTE=Alfiesf;2333566]Apologize in advance if this is a silly question, but how do you go about searching for girls on Facebook? Are there any groups or any particular search options you use? Thanks![/QUOTE]I think if you check back in the thread, some kind members have posted links. I'm always happy to share, but I've never been to Medellin. As soon as I arrive, I'm planning to snap some photos of myself and work on a friend list.

What are some great hang out spots to meet regular chics during day time? I am in Medellin right now and check out Unicentro and Santa fe malls but wasnt to impressed not many chicas. I am staying by La 70 and Universidad bolivariana is just across the corner but it seems like it is a gated area, is it?

[QUOTE=Jayson01;2333954]What are some great hang out spots to meet regular chics during day time? I am in Medellin right now and check out Unicentro and Santa fe malls but wasnt to impressed not many chicas. I am staying by La 70 and Universidad bolivariana is just across the corner but it seems like it is a gated area, is it?[/QUOTE]UPB is located between 2 diagonal streets. The one to the east is Avenida Bolivariana. The one to the west is Avenida Nutibara. If you head NW on Avenida Nutibara, there are some places that are popular with the college crowd.

Carrera 70 ends at the north side of UPB. If you go north, on the right side at Circular 3 is a bar that stays pretty busy. Can't recall the name. Just a block south of that is a pretty cool little coffee shop.

If your Spanish is up to it, try El Centro. Between San Antonio station and Parque Berrio station of the metro, west 1 block is a walking street with lots of vendors. There are several other similar spots in the area. There's also several dozen shopping centers around there. There are some good looking women working there and many are happy to talk. I know a guy who has picked up several women working regular jobs in the area.

Other than that, pick any bar or restaurant with a few attractive waitresses and not many customers. They'll be happy to talk to you.

[QUOTE=Jayson01;2333954]What are some great hang out spots to meet regular chics during day time? I am in Medellin right now and check out Unicentro and Santa fe malls but wasnt to impressed not many chicas. I am staying by La 70 and Universidad bolivariana is just across the corner but it seems like it is a gated area, is it?[/QUOTE]If your looking for "regular" Chicas in the daytime, well most of them have jobs and that's why you didn't see many in the malls you were at.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2334076]If your looking for "regular" Chicas in the daytime, well most of them have jobs and that's why you didn't see many in the malls you were at.[/QUOTE]Besides that, you rarely see women in the mall alone. They are going to be with their kids, their mom, their man, or their friends.

[QUOTE=Alfiesf;2333566]Apologize in advance if this is a silly question, but how do you go about searching for girls on Facebook? Are there any groups or any particular search options you use? Thanks![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Riina;2333908]I think if you check back in the thread, some kind members have posted links. I'm always happy to share, but I've never been to Medellin. As soon as I arrive, I'm planning to snap some photos of myself and work on a friend list.[/QUOTE]No need to be in Medellin for making a friendlist. You need to be in Medellin for the girls to take you seriously over FB chat.

Below is a list with friends who have open friends tab I. E you can see all their friends:

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/alka.line.16547008[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/juanita.londono.9634/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100011323845278[/URL] -- pretty sure most the girls in his friendlist will accept your request.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/Malcolm.Babygrand.Flythe[/URL] -- most the his friends are also prepagos.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/ray.paris.5661[/URL]

Just keep adding the friends from above profiles and don't over do it to trigger FB spam detectors. Also don't forget to add gringos to your list. Will later help you to know who is a prepago and who is not.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2334074]UPB is located between 2 diagonal streets. The one to the east is Avenida Bolivariana. The one to the west is Avenida Nutibara. If you head NW on Avenida Nutibara, there are some places that are popular with the college crowd.[/QUOTE]UPB is a nest of jailbaits, even dressed with those college uniforms that are so fetish, but I seriously doubt that any ISG member does have a chance with any of them.

UPB is one of the most expensive and best reputed institutions in Colombia. Only the upper class sends their daughters and sons to study there. Girls there do NOT need money, are highly educated, speak good English, have access to handsome guys in their social circle, and 99% have high moral Catholic standards.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2333550]Not hardasses. No legit hotel or apartment would accept anything other than a cedula. It is not even legal for them to "not" have one. And if they don't there is something seriously wrong..[/QUOTE]Motels do not request a cedula. Just go in.

BTW, and I repeated this countless times, having a cedula does not exclude that there can be "something seriously wrong" anyway. A girl can have the cedula of someone else, with photo loosely looking like her, and stolen / fake cedulas are available for sale for not a high price. I can say this because a girl I met in CTG explained me that her cedula was not HER cedula indeed and how easy is to buy one.

UPB is one of the most expensive and best reputed institutions in Colombia. Only the upper class sends their daughters and sons to study there. Girls there do not need money, are highly educated, speak good English, have access to handsome guys in their social circle, and 99% have high moral Catholic standards.

(85%of people in Colombia are poor. Even people in high estratos aren't necessarily rich. They are just keeping up with the Jones and have lots of debt. Even those that make a lot of money spend more than they make. Financial discretion / discipline is not engrained in their culture. Why do you think they have a quota system for something as small as a meal?

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2334247]UPB is a nest of jailbaits, even dressed with those college uniforms that are so fetish, but I seriously doubt that any ISG member does have a chance with any of them.

UPB is one of the most expensive and best reputed institutions in Colombia. Only the upper class sends their daughters and sons to study there. Girls there do NOT need money, are highly educated, speak good English, have access to handsome guys in their social circle, and 99% have high moral Catholic standards.[/QUOTE]Love the negativity.

[QUOTE=Sho423;2334324]Love the negativity.[/QUOTE]Sorry for that, but real world is a harsh tough world. <crying .

(I will not mention the hard-ons that I suffered every time I have been beyond the gates of UPB or just walked around the area nearby).

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2334345]Sorry for that, but real world is a harsh tough world. <crying .

(I will not mention the hard-ons that I suffered every time I have been beyond the gates of UPB or just walked around the area nearby).[/QUOTE]So if 99% of the girls there are Catholic with high moral standards (virgins) why do you torture yourself by going there parading around with a boner when they are off limits to you?

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2333064]Provenza is very near El Poblado and Parque Lleras. It's walking distance from Parque Lleras if you don't mind a few steep hills. You are likely asking about it because of lodging or restaurants. Use the search term "Provenza Medellin" in the map application of your choice (Here Maps, Google Maps, Bing maps etc.) to orient yourself.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing. I travel here a lot so I will have to check it out.

Thanks.

I think I just won the prize for the most absurdly demanding prepago in all of Colombia. Last fall I matched on Tinder with this red-headed girl with huge natural boobs who called herself Angie Katherine Rodriguez. After moving over to Whatsapp to arrange a date she replied back with this huge pre-formatted 8-point bulletin explaining that she was an "escort" who will gladly accompany you for 69,000 every half hour. No promise of sex (but hey, it "may happen naturally") and you can ogle her boobs (but absolutely no touching! But don't worry, she absolutely LOVES sex, so who knows how the evening will go. Yeah, right. Needless to say I passed.

Fast forward to this month and I see she now has an ad on [URL]photoprepagos.com[/URL] (I recognized that name and those boobs! Maybe her little Tinder scheme wasn't paying off, or maybe she turned a new leaf, but anyway I sent her a new message, and after an interminable 6 day delay she replied back with an even more massive 22-point bulletin. Now she claims she will, in fact, have sex for money, at 190,000 per hour. However, to prove that you're actually serious ("I do not risk going to false dates! You first have to buy her catalog of nude photos, all for the low cost of 69,000. Just wire her money through Western Union, Bancolombia, Paypal, Daviplata, heck, even bitcoin! What a steal! And she'll deduct the cost of the photos from your appointment! Who can resist?

Who knows, maybe nine months from now I'll see her on another platform with a new plan to make money without actually having any sex.

[QUOTE=Talon;2334397]I think I just won the prize for the most absurdly demanding prepago in all of Colombia. Last fall I matched on Tinder with this red-headed girl with huge natural boobs who called herself Angie Katherine Rodriguez. After moving over to Whatsapp to arrange a date she replied back with this huge pre-formatted 8-point bulletin explaining that she was an "escort" who will gladly accompany you for 69,000 every half hour. No promise of sex (but hey, it "may happen naturally") and you can ogle her boobs (but absolutely no touching! But don't worry, she absolutely LOVES sex, so who knows how the evening will go. Yeah, right. Needless to say I passed.

Fast forward to this month and I see she now has an ad on [URL]photoprepagos.com[/URL] (I recognized that name and those boobs! Maybe her little Tinder scheme wasn't paying off, or maybe she turned a new leaf, but anyway I sent her a new message, and after an interminable 6 day delay she replied back with an even more massive 22-point bulletin. Now she claims she will, in fact, have sex for money, at 190,000 per hour. However, to prove that you're actually serious ("I do not risk going to false dates! You first have to buy her catalog of nude photos, all for the low cost of 69,000. Just wire her money through Western Union, Bancolombia, Paypal, Daviplata, heck, even bitcoin! What a steal! And she'll deduct the cost of the photos from your appointment! Who can resist?

Who knows, maybe nine months from now I'll see her on another platform with a new plan to make money without actually having any sex.[/QUOTE]Ironically, due to her obviously being a nutjob, she is probably a total firecracker in la cama.

[QUOTE=Lou32;2334524]Ironically, due to her obviously being a nutjob, she is probably a total firecracker in la cama.[/QUOTE]Probably just the opposite.

Wouldn't touch that.

Most likely all talk, all BS.

Broad generalizations can be misleading.

[QUOTE=Jim0129;2334549]Oh please, if like Americans are the prime example of living within your means, I'm pretty sure you still owe your last trip to MDE in to your credit card.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lou32;2334524]Ironically, due to her obviously being a nutjob, she is probably a total firecracker in la cama.[/QUOTE]She certainly seems to think she's the ultimate puta. After I pointed out that there were thousands of prepagos in Medellin that don't require you pay an upfront deposit she testily replied that they "do it out of necessity and not for pleasure" and were "very common and ugly". No point in arguing with a delusional narcissist. If any of you wants a laugh I still have her contact info.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2334247]................ 99% have high moral Catholic standards.[/QUOTE]Damn, I wish I were young and handsome again. I'd certainly check out the girls at UPB. In my younger days meeting a girl with high moral Catholic standards meant you were in like Flynn.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2334712]Damn, I wish I were young and handsome again. I'd certainly check out the girls at UPB. In my younger days meeting a girl with high moral Catholic standards meant you were in like Flynn.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I was going to point out that high moral Catholic standards generally means she's good at putting her ankles on your shoulders.

Can someone recommend legit massage places? I don't need hanky panky, just female masseuse who knows what she is doing.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2334353]So if 99% of the girls there are Catholic with high moral standards (virgins) why do you torture yourself by going there parading around with a boner when they are off limits to you?[/QUOTE]Nice torture! I understand you never played with yourself watching a movie.
However, specifically in this area, I went there not to play with myself (I would be in jail now) but because of some other reason.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2334894]Nice torture! I understand you never played with yourself watching a movie.
However, specifically in this area, I went there not to play with myself (I would be in jail now) but because of some other reason.[/QUOTE]Sometimes to much information! You've been away a while, I've missed your posts about your late night / early morning escapades in El Centro, always entertaining, and a bit chilling!

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2334247] UPB is one of the most expensive and best reputed institutions in Colombia. Only the upper class sends their daughters and sons to study there. Girls there do NOT need money.[/QUOTE]It will be hard to pick up the daughters of wealthy peasants with small $, so the offer has to be Monthly, Yearly & starts as a lucrative genuine job (she wants some extra $ & independence from her Wealthy peasant parents). Anything higher than her professor pay gets her going, if you dislike short encounters & into relationships this is a great option, it will end up cheaper than spending $ on the average pro girl.

If you like new vagina everyday, not a good investment.

Dam, I used to have some success in the US with Tinder and SA but now hardly try as both are full of girls who want to sell nudes or have some other scheme to get money without putting out. That this has spread to Medellin makes me want to cry LOL.

[QUOTE=Talon;2334397]I think I just won the prize for the most absurdly demanding prepago in all of Colombia. Last fall I matched on Tinder with this red-headed girl with huge natural boobs who called herself Angie Katherine Rodriguez. After moving over to Whatsapp to arrange a date she replied back with this huge pre-formatted 8-point bulletin explaining that she was an "escort" who will gladly accompany you for 69,000 every half hour. No promise of sex (but hey, it "may happen naturally") and you can ogle her boobs (but absolutely no touching! But don't worry, she absolutely LOVES sex, so who knows how the evening will go. Yeah, right. Needless to say I passed.

Fast forward to this month and I see she now has an ad on [URL]photoprepagos.com[/URL] (I recognized that name and those boobs! Maybe her little Tinder scheme wasn't paying off, or maybe she turned a new leaf, but anyway I sent her a new message, and after an interminable 6 day delay she replied back with an even more massive 22-point bulletin. Now she claims she will, in fact, have sex for money, at 190,000 per hour. However, to prove that you're actually serious ("I do not risk going to false dates! You first have to buy her catalog of nude photos, all for the low cost of 69,000. Just wire her money through Western Union, Bancolombia, Paypal, Daviplata, heck, even bitcoin! What a steal! And she'll deduct the cost of the photos from your appointment! Who can resist?

Who knows, maybe nine months from now I'll see her on another platform with a new plan to make money without actually having any sex.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;2334970]Dam, I used to have some success in the US with Tinder and SA but now hardly try as both are full of girls who want to sell nudes or have some other scheme to get money without putting out. That this has spread to Medellin makes me want to cry LOL.[/QUOTE]One has to be an idiot in this era of free porno and pictures all over the internet to be paying putas for that. Don't doubt they are out there though.

Catching my breath after a world wind road tour of Colombia and Ecuador, over 11,000 km between the both countries during the past 3 months, I need to catch up with the posts here in Medellin and hope to add some value as I already spent today in centro (botero plaza, the vera, raudal) and last evening with one of my paisa favorites, a welcome home overnight'er and she satisfies one of my fetishes as she is 5 months pregnant, with medium sized belly bulge and swollen titties and swollen pussy.

The Tall Man.

The webcam operations are still popular.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2334997]One has to be an idiot in this era of free porno and pictures all over the internet to be paying putas for that. Don't doubt they are out there though.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SallySally;2329888]Probably the cheapest would be to go to centro and hire a streetwalker for 100 k / peso a day. (snip) find a venezuelan they might actually speak a more standard spanish than the colombian streetwalkers because they tend to be more educated than colombian hood rats. At $30/8 hrs this is the cheapest language school you can find.[/QUOTE]In fact I see them a tour guides and references / intro service, why not?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2334912]Sometimes to much information! You've been away a while, I've missed your posts about your late night / early morning escapades in El Centro, always entertaining, and a bit chilling![/QUOTE]I have been missing the night adventures in El Centro more than you miss my reports LOL. To be fair, I must say that the MDE scene at night today is much more legal and quiet than years ago. Safer but less thrilling.

I won't be back to MDE soon. My next trips will be to Guayaquil (where ladies are ugly, cube-shaped, and also generally not available for casual sex, not to mention their "high Catholic moral standard", which is an aggravation), followed by just few days in Cartagena. Darth Vader is in hibernation currently, but ready to get back to life. Who knows when!

Which one of you ISGers is it that thinks he is getting front of the line privileges over the other 255 guys by sending money?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2335162]Which one of you ISGers is it that thinks he is getting front of the line privileges over the other 255 guys by sending money?[/QUOTE]Probably he is getting some cam sex and some dream about perfect life with chicka in near future.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2335126]I have been missing the night adventures in El Centro more than you miss my reports LOL. To be fair, I must say that the MDE scene at night today is much more legal and quiet than years ago. Safer but less thrilling.

I won't be back to MDE soon. My next trips will be to Guayaquil (where ladies are ugly, cube-shaped, and also generally not available for casual sex, not to mention their "high Catholic moral standard", which is an aggravation), followed by just few days in Cartagena. Darth Vader is in hibernation currently, but ready to get back to life. Who knows when![/QUOTE]I've spent a great deal of time in El Centro at all times of the day- and while you certainly don't want to be a dar papaya, it's not nearly as scary as people would have you believe.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2334883]Can someone recommend legit massage places? I don't need hanky panky, just female masseuse who knows what she is doing.[/QUOTE]Why would you go to a monger site to find out about legitimate massage? Are you daft?

[QUOTE=Talon;2334577]She certainly seems to think she's the ultimate puta. After I pointed out that there were thousands of prepagos in Medellin that don't require you pay an upfront deposit she testily replied that they "do it out of necessity and not for pleasure" and were "very common and ugly". No point in arguing with a delusional narcissist. If any of you wants a laugh I still have her contact info.[/QUOTE]Some of the worst lays I ever had were also the hottest. Some girls get to the point they think they're so hot all they have to do is allow a guy her favors. Give me a 7 with a good work ethic and a desire to please over a bored 10 any day.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2335180]Some of the worst lays I ever had were also the hottest. [/QUOTE]Concur but usually good for photos. As for the legit massage, it is a fair question for ISG as well as taxis, hotels, restaurants, etc. I'll be making my virgin trip to MDE in November having mostly been to DR and SEA. Is anyone having any luck with Colombia Cupid?

[URL]https://www.elcolombiano.com/antioquia/seguridad/estadounidense-asesinado-en-belen-rosales-occidente-de-medellin-FA10983226[/URL]

The victim was identified as Oliver Joshua, and according to Caracol Radio, the tourist arrived in the city on Wednesday afternoon and was murdered a few hours later.

Joshua only entered the country from Florida, United States, and according to the station the first versions point to the man "went out to make a cell phone call" when he was attacked by gunshots.

Witnesses cited by that frequency assured that the murderer wore a jean and gray jacket, and that after his assignment he got into a taxi and fled.

At a press conference on Thursday, the mayor of Medellin, Federico Gutirrez, was questioned about the murder of the foreigner, and the first thing he said was that he was a "hired killer".

"A person approaches him outside the hotel where he was staying, and arrives directly and gives him some shots that cause his death. He is already being followed up and communicated to the authorities of the United States. And until I do not have total clarity, I ask for time to say what could be the reasons for this death, "explained Gutirrez.

The mayor also said that what is clear, so far, "is that it was not for attempted robbery," because along with the lifeless body the authorities found "the wallet, his belongings and his cell phone, which is being analyzed and the calls you've had. ".

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2335176]I've spent a great deal of time in El Centro at all times of the day- and while you certainly don't want to be a dar papaya, it's not nearly as scary as people would have you believe.[/QUOTE]This may lead some to believe that El Centro is not scary, which really isn't the issue. The issue is that it can be quite dangerous, especially at night! So if your an obvious gringo, lot's of caution is advised in the night and early mornings.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2335180]Some of the worst lays I ever had were also the hottest. Some girls get to the point they think they're so hot all they have to do is allow a guy her favors. Give me a 7 with a good work ethic and a desire to please over a bored 10 any day.[/QUOTE]But how would you know until you try it? There are no absolutes. The 10 could have a good work ethic and desire to please, while the 7 thinks she is so hot all she has to do is allow a guy her favors. Or it could even be possible that neither chick knows what they are doing in the bed. YMMV.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2335126]My next trips will be to Guayaquil (where ladies are ugly, cube-shaped, and also generally not available for casual sex, not to mention their "high Catholic moral standard", which is an aggravation), followed by just few days in Cartagena. Darth Vader is in hibernation currently, but ready to get back to life. Who knows when![/QUOTE]If your looking for Pygmies, shouldn't you be going to Africa or South East Asia, or is there a concentration of them in Guayaquil.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2335176]I've spent a great deal of time in El Centro at all times of the day- and while you certainly don't want to be a dar papaya, it's not nearly as scary as people would have you believe.[/QUOTE]Trust me 10 years ago at midnight it was scary for me. Now it is not so bad as before, but yet I would not recommend the majority of readers to stroll under the metro at Prado or in Cl. 54-55-56 after say 11 pm. I prefer to recommend caution.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2335126]I have been missing the night adventures in El Centro more than you miss my reports LOL. To be fair, I must say that the MDE scene at night today is much more legal and quiet than years ago. Safer but less thrilling.

I won't be back to MDE soon. My next trips will be to Guayaquil (where ladies are ugly, cube-shaped, and also generally not available for casual sex, not to mention their "high Catholic moral standard", which is an aggravation), followed by just few days in Cartagena. Darth Vader is in hibernation currently, but ready to get back to life. Who knows when![/QUOTE]Yep I just returned from Ecuador, Guayaquil is one city where I checked out the P4P, my best simplistic generality statement is that with very few exceptions the cuties that are available anywhere in Ecuador will be either Colombian or Venezuelans.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2332663]Haha, that's funny!

Just like the girl ay Gustos told me the other night that they have to charge a minimum of $200 dollars! LOL.

Then the next day she's texting me, saying Ok papi, 200 mil pesos will do, LOL.

Best thing I've found going in Medellin is just walking about Botero, Veracruz, etc, daytime.

Reconning for something sweet looking.

I hit gold 2 days in a row!

One 18 year old Vennie in Botero, another on the street with the Tavernas.

And actually another cutie working as a waitress passed me her phone number as I was leaving, and said, escrbame!

It's not that hard..[/QUOTE]You must be my brother from another mother as I too love the hunt in centro. Yesterday I had to drop off my all night from the day before on oriental and so just parked about noon and walked around the whole area until about 4 pm, so over the course of 3 hours I found 2 or 3 newer venies that I have not seen before, all available, did not get any number but I will return this afternoon. Just need to mention how many chicas were out and about, probably double, seriously double from what I usually see on a Thursday afternoon.

I will head out this afternoon back to botero. My kind of place.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2331696]Lots of good information in your Post about casas and other stuff, however the part on the Venezuelans needs clarification as it is misleading.

You will see lots of girls selling candy, however they are not all from Venezuela, lots of Colombians sell candy as well. The main congregation of Venezuelan hookers in EL Centro is in and around the Museum de Antoquia, the park directly in front of it, and the pedestrian walkway to the Veracruz Church. Yesterday afternoon there was at least a hundred of them out there if not more. They typically are in groups of two to four girls. In the last two months there has been a major influx of them. However the majority of these Venezuelans are disgusting being overweight and ugly. There are very few "quality" girls among them as you state in your post.

In my opinion the Venezuelans have squeezed the Colombians out in the area I mentioned to a certain degree just based on there sheer numbers and rock bottom pricing. It's been harder and harder for me to find nice Colombian girls in this area over the past months and my Colombian regulars don't like what has happened in the area. There has also been robberies and violence occurring with some of the Venezuelans as well. Up until a few months ago it was cool having the Venezuelans show up, putting a little pressure on pricing, etc. But know I wish the situation in their Country would get resolved and they leave..[/QUOTE]They (Venezuelans) will not be leaving anytime soon as Maduro has sunk his boots into the ground and is there to stay, think Castro after 50 plus years.

I just read yesterday that Peru, as of this Saturday (tomorrow) will require all Venezuelans trying to enter into Peru to have both a valid passport and Visa, which none of them have. What does this mean? They will only be able to stay either in Ecuador or Colombia so get ready for the coming wave of even more venies in Colombia including Medellin in the coming months and years as word gets back that newcomers cannot get into Peru so they migrate to Colombia or Ecuador.

The Tall Man.

I for one would like to know myself? With all the beautiful women available after awhile I would love to take a break and get a nice relaxing massage. I would imagine the price for a massage must be very reasonable as well. If anyone knows where please share?

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2335177]Why would you go to a monger site to find out about legitimate massage? Are you daft?[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2335018]The webcam operations are still popular.[/QUOTE]Yes they are. A few years ago this girl made a ton of money live streaming her video's. Her name is Kloe la Maravilla aka NATALIA TAMAYO. She is still popular in Colombia, she even had a TV show at one time. Some of her more explicit video's are on PornHub.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj0AEIgK8Lc[/URL]

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2335248]I for one would like to know myself? With all the beautiful women available after awhile I would love to take a break and get a nice relaxing massage. I would imagine the price for a massage must be very reasonable as well. If anyone knows where please share?

.[/QUOTE]Sometimes you just want a massage. I went to Zanzéand (near the Mansion) twice. First time got a great one hour hot stone massage for 80 k. The girl (small ok looking blond) kinda got near my package making me thing the extras were available on request but I was happy with the massage. Second time I went I got this chunky pleasant looking brunet. Same massage but at the end before I could even object, she doused my johnson with oil and began with the HJ. I thought about waiving her off but admittedly once a girl touches my junk I just am incapable of saying stop LOL. I tipped her an extra 30 k which she seemed dissatisfied with but I didn't ask for a HJ. I had also heard from a friend that he got full service there. But again, a really good therapeutic massage (so many are just so so) is great and if someone can recommend I'd be interested too.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2335240]Yep I just returned from Ecuador, Guayaquil is one city where I checked out the P4P, my best simplistic generality statement is that with very few exceptions the cuties that are available anywhere in Ecuador will be either Colombian or Venezuelans.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]But good Pygmies!

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2335245]They (Venezuelans) will not be leaving anytime soon as Maduro has sunk his boots into the ground and is there to stay, think Castro after 50 plus years.

I just read yesterday that Peru, as of this Saturday (tomorrow) will require all Venezuelans trying to enter into Peru to have both a valid passport and Visa, which none of them have. What does this mean? They will only be able to stay either in Ecuador or Colombia so get ready for the coming wave of even more venies in Colombia including Medellin in the coming months and years as word gets back that newcomers cannot get into Peru so they migrate to Colombia or Ecuador.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]You are spot on with your analogy of Maduro and Castro, and short of somebody taking out Maduro, he's going to be around a while. In regards to countries accepting the Venezuelans, I was in Santa Marta this week, and three Vzs were telling me that Ecuador is much better for them to go to as apparently the government does offer some type of financial assistance and I guess wants them there to augment their population by providing for them whereby Colombia just lets them in. I think Colombia will eventually go the way of Peru when the government has to raise taxes on the Colombian citizens to cover the costs associated with them being here. A generation ago during all the Narco killings in Colombia, millions of Colombians left for Venezuela who accepted them when they were very prosperous. Of all the Colombians I have spoken with, about 80% of them don't want them here and I guess after a generation ago, lots of people don't remember what Venezuela did for the Colombians, but the older Colombians do.

In regards to all of the Vzs in El Centro, the problem I have is just the sheer numbers of fat and ugly ones. The wave of them is in just the last few months has been insane, and is only going to get worse as you mentioned. I was in El Centro today and haven't been there in five days and noticed all kinds of new Vzs. The problem I have with all of them is how many of them are fat and pudgy, Yes there are fat and pudgy Colombians, but now because of the sheer numbers of Vzs the place is overrun with fat and ugly ones. So as a comparison if you were in El Centro prior to the Vzs coming with 100 Chicas and 20 of them being gross, imagine with the Vzs being there with 500 Chicas, and 250 of them are gross. Maybe the numbers don't make sense, but I just believe there is a much higher proportion of fat and ugly Vzs than Colombians in El Centro. Just my personal observations being there almost everyday.

The other thing I wonder about with this heavy influx of the Vzs is how the Colombian guys are doing with all this, seeing that they probably make up at least 95% or more of their customers. With all of the Vzs here, prices have to be dropping dramatically for them as simple supply and demand would dictate. There's also the issue of the Colombian Chicas getting squeezed as a result of all this. They hate them because it's cut into their business and existence.

My bet is that something will happen soon enough in El Centro with all of the Vzs there, like the local government or Police taking some type of measures, etc. It may go something like, Botero Plaza is a tourist destination now and the surrounding area is very historical, etc, and the area has to be cleaned up or controlled during certain hours.

At #30148:

It was reported he had criminal record for gun running.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2335414]................. I was in El Centro today and haven't been there in five days and noticed all kinds of new Vzs. The problem I have with all of them is how many of them are fat and pudgy, Yes there are fat and pudgy Colombians, but now because of the sheer numbers of Vzs the place is overrun with fat and ugly ones.............[/QUOTE]It appears that among the problems in Venezuela food is not one of them.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2335220]But how would you know until you try it? There are no absolutes. The 10 could have a good work ethic and desire to please, while the 7 thinks she is so hot all she has to do is allow a guy her favors. Or it could even be possible that neither chick knows what they are doing in the bed. YMMV.[/QUOTE]Ya, this is true. One never knows until one tries. So many variables including the monger himself as well as the chicas particular mindset at the time. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2335414]
In regards to all of the Vzs in El Centro, the problem I have is just the sheer numbers of fat and ugly ones. The wave of them is in just the last few months has been insane, and is only going to get worse as you mentioned. I was in El Centro today and haven't been there in five days and noticed all kinds of new Vzs. The problem I have with all of them is how many of them are fat and pudgy, Yes there are fat and pudgy Colombians, but now because of the sheer numbers of Vzs the place is overrun with fat and ugly ones.

[/QUOTE]Yes, but they are cheap and exotic for the American sex tourists on a tight budget and will look like JLO to those merely looking for a cum receptacle.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2335583]It appears that among the problems in Venezuela food is not one of them.[/QUOTE]Just the opposite. Food, especially good food, is scarce in Venezuela. Bring them the Colombia, where food is cheap and plentiful, and the VZ girls will plump up.

Then there is the problem of food choices. Shopping for, washing, and preparing an 8-vegetable salad is time consuming and complicated. Getting something fatty and fried, is quick and convenient.

Then, there is the issue of lodging for these Vz girls. Do they have access to a fridge and a kitchen where they are staying? Do they have the logistics to make a healthy chicken soup, or are they hot cotting a shared bed in a 4-to-a-room boarding house?

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2335648]Yes, but they are cheap and exotic for the American sex tourists on a tight budget and will look like JLO to those merely looking for a cum receptacle.[/QUOTE]In my opinion very few American sex tourists partake in the El Centro street scene.

However, the Colombian men in El Centro must be having a field day with all of the Vzs there.

El Centro has probably never seen such a heavy influx of "cum receptacles" ever before with the arrival of the fugly Vzs!

Does anyone have any hotel or Airbnb recommendations where they let chicas in without any hassle.

[QUOTE=IguanaSix;2335650]Just the opposite. Food, especially good food, is scarce in Venezuela. Bring them the Colombia, where food is cheap and plentiful, and the VZ girls will plump up.

Then there is the problem of food choices. Shopping for, washing, and preparing an 8-vegetable salad is time consuming and complicated. Getting something fatty and fried, is quick and convenient.

Then, there is the issue of lodging for these Vz girls. Do they have access to a fridge and a kitchen where they are staying? Do they have the logistics to make a healthy chicken soup, or are they hot cotting a shared bed in a 4-to-a-room boarding house?[/QUOTE]I think you're right. When someone who has dealt with scarce food suddenly has constant options for fast, cheap food, they frequently gain a lot of weight.

[QUOTE=Anon6969;2335671]Does anyone have any hotel or Airbnb recommendations where they let chicas in without any hassle.[/QUOTE]At any hotel, you are subject to be hassled by the front desk person. If you treat the person well and never cause a scene, most will not hassle you; but you never know when they may be having a bad day. Your best bet is to find an apartment without a doorman on airbnb or through an agent. In most apartments, parties or loud music is not allowed. If you look on airbnb, read the description. If they have a doorman, most will mention it in the description. Look at the pictures. Many will show the entrance to the apartment or the building. If you have a doubt, send the person who listed the apartment a message asking about security of the building.

I think that is correct. Foreigners in general are very small minority compared Colombians in the Centro street scene. In fact, if you separate New Life as the outlier it is, foreigners are in the minority in the casas although not quite as small a minority as on the street.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2335658]In my opinion very few American sex tourists partake in the El Centro street scene.

However, the Colombian men in El Centro must be having a field day with all of the Vzs there.

El Centro has probably never seen such a heavy influx of "cum receptacles" ever before with the arrival of the fugly Vzs![/QUOTE]

Arrived from san jose Costa Rica to medellin airport catch a bus for 10 k to san diego mall and after taxi to laureles hotel. Meet other monger from ISG and we hit el centro casas at 11 am morning. We visited around 12 diffrent casas have some beers of some of them. We went like club de amigas sexy, akami, sara, dulce compania, divini women, zandalay, sexy fantasias 1, chickas punto com, new life and couple other. Most casas have at least 4-5 girls minimum some of them between 10-20 girls inside. But quality of girls is looking worst from my last visit more than 1 year ago. Its just for me? Or someone recognise the same thing? I saw just 4-5 girls in total I like from many casas today but even they wasnt more than 7 from range of 10. All girls is getting bigger here with big asses and big boobs its not so easy to find petite small girls. We finished at new life casa its have best line around 22-25 girls in total I like 2 of them (they all have numbers now so its good for remember which one girl you like in case you forgot here name).

I take sweet 21 year venesualian girl her name was juliet with cute face but body wasnt so great (baby damage) She make good deep throat blowjob and fucks well. 30 minutes-50 k pesos.

Later around 23.00 I take uber for el centro clubs. Checked barra ejecutiva it was packed full of people can't get seat close to the dancers dancing. Probably 25-30 girls inside but the same story all big girls (not really my type) have 1 beer for 12 k look some dancers dancing tip one of them 2 k pesos walk around few laps looking for a girl I like and left. Club maracaibo was not busy probbaly 8-10 costumers and 10-15 girls I didint like any of them all big girls have one beer for 12 k watch few dances and left. . Catch taxi and comeback hotel. Will add photo of new life room.

[QUOTE=Combo;2335766]I think you're right. When someone who has dealt with scarce food suddenly has constant options for fast, cheap food, they frequently gain a lot of weight.[/QUOTE]So they go from very skinny to very obese in days. Must be some kinds of records among them. What confuses me though is that wouldn't they have to earn some money first before buying the fatty foods?

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;2335267]Sometimes you just want a massage. I went to Zanzand (near the Mansion) twice. First time got a great one hour hot stone massage for 80 k. The girl (small ok looking blond) kinda got near my package making me thing the extras were available on request but I was happy with the massage. Second time I went I got this chunky pleasant looking brunet. Same massage but at the end before I could even object, she doused my johnson with oil and began with the HJ. I thought about waiving her off but admittedly once a girl touches my junk I just am incapable of saying stop LOL. I tipped her an extra 30 k which she seemed dissatisfied with but I didn't ask for a HJ. I had also heard from a friend that he got full service there. But again, a really good therapeutic massage (so many are just so so) is great and if someone can recommend I'd be interested too.[/QUOTE]Hey Dave,

Are you able to say where exactly this place was located? I don't remember anything like that in the area and even google seems to be none the wiser.

Thanks!

Be.

[QUOTE=Baudelairemod;2335994]Hey Dave,

Are you able to say where exactly this place was located? I don't remember anything like that in the area and even google seems to be none the wiser.

Thanks!

Be.[/QUOTE]Autocorrect did something to the name. It is called Zanzen. Kinda hard to find, there is a sign on the strip mall that has it but the door is unmarked. Just look around you will find it.

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/ubTZcKLw2zqNuBmP7[/URL]

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2335818]At any hotel, you are subject to be hassled by the front desk person. If you treat the person well and never cause a scene, most will not hassle you; but you never know when they may be having a bad day. Your best bet is to find an apartment without a doorman on airbnb or through an agent. In most apartments, parties or loud music is not allowed. If you look on airbnb, read the description. If they have a doorman, most will mention it in the description. Look at the pictures. Many will show the entrance to the apartment or the building. If you have a doubt, send the person who listed the apartment a message asking about security of the building.[/QUOTE]For my safety I prefer only apartments with a doorman that checks chica IDs on entry. Getting harder to find in MDE, but will all the drugging going on in MDE, I want someone to validate and record the girls ID. Also provides protection from getting one below the legal limit with a resulting tour of a Colombian penal institution. With airbnb, just check the house rules. If they say no prostitution, just skip it. If you are unsure, just ask the host their guest policy.

How do you manage the risk of chicas who use false IDs? Do you rely on the doormen? Personally, I consider myself more motivated and at least as capable of seeing to my personal safety than anyone else, including doormen.

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;2336004]For my safety I prefer only apartments with a doorman that checks chica IDs on entry. Getting harder to find in MDE, but will all the drugging going on in MDE, I want someone to validate and record the girls ID. Also provides protection from getting one below the legal limit with a resulting tour of a Colombian penal institution. With airbnb, just check the house rules. If they say no prostitution, just skip it. If you are unsure, just ask the host their guest policy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Baudelairemod;2335994]Hey Dave,

Are you able to say where exactly this place was located? I don't remember anything like that in the area and even google seems to be none the wiser.

Thanks!

Be.[/QUOTE]From the KTronics store on Avenida Poblado, go up the hill on Calle 3 Sur. The first street to the left leads to the Mansion. The second street to the left leads to Zanzen. According to Google Street view, there's a sign that says "Zazen Spa" although Maps lists it as Zanzen.

There are also 2 massage places in the La Strada mall, about a block north on Avenida Poblado.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2335658]In my opinion very few American sex tourists partake in the El Centro street scene.
[/QUOTE]I'm only in centro once or twice a week to hit the gym or ride through but whenever I am there I see American sex tourists walking around, especially the weekend warriors. This is during the day usually. Not long ago I saw a crew of about 6 dudes with baseball caps, chains, new sneakers, etc. Jump out of what looked like 2 Ubers and walked into Hotel Nutibara.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2336017]I'm only in centro once or twice a week to hit the gym or ride through but whenever I am there I see American sex tourists walking around, especially the weekend warriors. This is during the day usually. Not long ago I saw a crew of about 6 dudes with baseball caps, chains, new sneakers, etc. Jump out of what looked like 2 Ubers and walked into Hotel Nutibara.[/QUOTE]True, there are American Sex Tourists walking around in El Centro, but they make up probably less than one tenth of one percent of the street walker (SW) clients and my bet is most of them don't have the language and / or skills to deal with the SW's like some of our board members.

And the ones you have seen there wearing baseball caps, chains, etc. Are idiots and an easy target to be ripped off which you are well aware of.

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;2336004]For my safety I prefer only apartments with a doorman that checks chica IDs on entry. Getting harder to find in MDE, but will all the drugging going on in MDE, I want someone to validate and record the girls ID. Also provides protection from getting one below the legal limit with a resulting tour of a Colombian penal institution. With airbnb, just check the house rules. If they say no prostitution, just skip it. If you are unsure, just ask the host their guest policy.[/QUOTE]I'm new on here and was wondering if you could PM some of the places you prefer to stay I'll be in Medellin in August.

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[QUOTE=Knowledge;2336009]How do you manage the risk of chicas who use false IDs? Do you rely on the doormen? Personally, I consider myself more motivated and at least as capable of seeing to my personal safety than anyone else, including doormen.[/QUOTE]The doormen as people having been referring to on this board for those who don't know it are called "Porteros" here. If I have any doubt about a Chica at least age wise, I always ask to see their Cedula before going with them. If they don't have one, and / or a photocopy of something I just won't go with them. Period!

In the event you ask a Chica to show you her Cedula, it may be a fake, or someone else's etc. And you may not even know it. Regardless, it wouldn't hurt when arriving at your destination when the Chica hands over her Cedula to the Portero or Hotel person, you ask them if everything is OK with the ID. Just another precaution as a local is going to know better than a foreigner if it is a phony Cedula.

Both are of course in Centro but I would be much more surprised to see the group you described get out of ubers behind the Veracruz church. The Nutibara markets to low budget foreign tour operators and all the lodging websites. Foreigners can come and go day or night with little contact with gamines, street walkers etc, especially if they use the front entrance as most do. Out back they will hear the Yakuza touts screaming "chicas!" I think most of us know the experience is very different at Veracruz / Raudal / behind the museum.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2336017]I'm only in centro once or twice a week to hit the gym or ride through but whenever I am there I see American sex tourists walking around, especially the weekend warriors. This is during the day usually. Not long ago I saw a crew of about 6 dudes with baseball caps, chains, new sneakers, etc. Jump out of what looked like 2 Ubers and walked into Hotel Nutibara.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2336009]How do you manage the risk of chicas who use false IDs? Do you rely on the doormen? Personally, I consider myself more motivated and at least as capable of seeing to my personal safety than anyone else, including doormen.[/QUOTE]I don't totally outsource my voir dire process to the doorman. So there is an interview process as well. When it comes to keeping my ass out of a third world prison, I take advantage of all available tools. There are a few buildings that have the Cedula verification App. I can't always get that, but do look for it.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2336044]True, there are American Sex Tourists walking around in El Centro, but they make up probably less than one tenth of one percent of the street walker (SW) clients [/QUOTE]With this I agree. I know guys that come down and enjoy that street walker scene here and they are not on this site but a lot of the American gringos prefer a more upscale environment. Case in point, this southern baller who stays in Energy and was looking for an upscale strip club to blow $10,000 USD the other day.

The places I stay check cedulas electronically, afterwards they call me to verify if it is ok for her to see me. The process takes a minute if the cedula is legit.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2336089]The doormen as people having been referring to on this board for those who don't know it are called "Porteros" here. If I have any doubt about a Chica at least age wise, I always ask to see their Cedula before going with them. If they don't have one, and / or a photocopy of something I just won't go with them. Period!

In the event you ask a Chica to show you her Cedula, it may be a fake, or someone else's etc. And you may not even know it. Regardless, it wouldn't hurt when arriving at your destination when the Chica hands over her Cedula to the Portero or Hotel person, you ask them if everything is OK with the ID. Just another precaution as a local is going to know better than a foreigner if it is a phony Cedula.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2336163]The places I stay check cedulas electronically, afterwards they call me to verify if it is ok for her to see me. The process takes a minute if the cedula is legit.[/QUOTE]That's good, you have yourself very protected, and the Chica's hopefully know better than to create any problems seeing that the establishments your in have their act together.

ON the other hand, for those who take Chicas to short time Hotels like myself, sometimes these places could care less about seeing ID's etc, especially the 5 K places. The age of consent is 14 in Colombia and that is the issue that American's need to be aware of and concerned about. I can easily see foreigners getting fooled in El Centro by Chicas with the age of consent being what it is in Colombia. And just think, for the Colombians it's perfectly legal to go with a young Chica, but for an American it can be very bad news.

[QUOTE=Combo;2335766]I think you're right. When someone who has dealt with scarce food suddenly has constant options for fast, cheap food, they frequently gain a lot of weight.[/QUOTE]Years ago, I ran into three Colombian girls who came up together to Panama. I sessioned with one, and a few nights later, I saved her and one of her friends from being picked up in a raid from the cigar bar, Habanos. She was a petite spinner with an awesome rack when I was there the first time in mid-June. In August, she had plumped up, maybe putting on about a kilo a week for 6-7 weeks.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2336153]With this I agree. I know guys that come down and enjoy that street walker scene here and they are not on this site but a lot of the American gringos prefer a more upscale environment. Case in point, this southern baller who stays in Energy and was looking for an upscale strip club to blow $10,000 USD the other day.[/QUOTE]I think for $10,000 you could start up an entire casa operation.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2336044]True, there are American Sex Tourists walking around in El Centro, but they make up probably less than one tenth of one percent of the street walker (SW) clients and my bet is most of them don't have the language and / or skills to deal with the SW's like some of our board members.

And the ones you have seen there wearing baseball caps, chains, etc. Are idiots and an easy target to be ripped off which you are well aware of.[/QUOTE]I have considered going to El Centro casas in complete local salaryman disguise: loafers, dress slacks or kahkis, button down shirt with sleeves rolled up, lanyard with some official looking ID card similcrum hanging on the end, plastic hard hat with some company logo with a name that ends in "CO," (like "CODESCO," or "BOTESCO" or "BOSCO" and a clipboard.

Walk the streets looking at the streets lights and making cryptic notes on my clip board. Muggers leave me alone because they know I am broke.

Around 1. 00 pm meet with other ISG member jump at taxi and arrived at el centro checked divina casa. I was looking for a girl I like one day before but on Sunday she was not here and this casa has just 3 girs this time so we go to new life. They have 7-10 girls. I like one of them her name was evelina colombiana girl she was nice and good at bed. My friend take another girl I finish first so was waiting him till he come. This time I saw 5-6 black american guys in group choosing girls most of them with flip flops, sports shorts and t-shirts without sleeves with them was some white gringo explaining the rules and he was communicating with girl who is responsible for girls. My friend finish with a girl and we walk to vera cruz.

This place was busy at Sunday all bars around have many costumers drinking and many girls around but just few was looking not so bad. We have few beers at some bar and nice local food. After we walk to raudal area and was passing vera cruz church (first time in my life I saw girls working next to the church and standing just near church walls. We walk at raudal area this place looks more dodgy many homeless and drug addicts have some girls but I didint see any better looking ones. Some drug addicts start fighting we look a fight but police come quickly and separate them. Almost On the corner of carrera 53 and calle 53 we saw strip club grill hilton (its not listed on mongering map) we go check it inside it was open but no girls yet because it was early. When we look inside my friend remember he was here few days ago with other guy at night and have inside some cute skinny girls. I will add photo of the club and adress on map.

[QUOTE=IguanaSix;2336235]I think for $10,000 you could start up an entire casa operation.[/QUOTE]Probably, but I guess the guy has a lot of disposable income and doesn't want to search through streets that reek of p*sss smell and crack addicts to find that rare diamond in the ruff. He says he has a lot of money to blow so he isn't in bargain basement mode.

Same thing with the roach motels. Some dudes rather have a penthouse so they can have a 3 some in the Jacuzzi overlooking the city.

[URL]https://youtu.be/tABEJmGO35c[/URL]

[QUOTE=Pokeris;2336368]first time in my life I saw girls working next to the church and standing just near church walls.[/QUOTE]Smart if you ask me. They are hoping that god will bless them with customers.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2336398]Smart if you ask me. They are hoping that god will bless them with customers.[/QUOTE]Probably. The guy who was with me last night he told me sicarios coming to bless bullets at this church also.

These low strata people in the area literally believe nonsensical superstitions and myths, usually involving a fusion of mafia, god, etc.

[QUOTE=Pokeris;2336400]Probably. The guy who was with me last night he told me sicarios coming to bless bullets at this church also.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2336398]Smart if you ask me. They are hoping that god will bless them with customers.[/QUOTE]Check out the alley next to the church east of Parque Berrio. That's where the guys selling porn have their tables set up.

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;2336000]Autocorrect did something to the name. It is called Zanzen. Kinda hard to find, there is a sign on the strip mall that has it but the door is unmarked. Just look around you will find it.

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/ubTZcKLw2zqNuBmP7[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks, Dave. A friend of mine went there and was quite pleased with the overall experience although he said it wasn't as good as the one in Rio Sur.

At Jjbee62 - I have never been in La Strada for massages. Didn't really know they had any. Are they 100% over board and with the odd hand relief? Most of them will advertise as SPAs for caballeros.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2336182]...The age of consent is 14 in Colombia and that is the issue that American's need to be aware of and concerned about. I can easily see foreigners getting fooled in El Centro by Chicas with the age of consent being what it is in Colombia. And just think, for the Colombians it's perfectly legal to go with a young Chica, but for an American it can be very bad news.[/QUOTE]In Colombia, it is illegal for anyone under 18 to engage in prostitution, no matter their nationality.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2336496]In Colombia, it is illegal for anyone under 18 to engage in prostitution, no matter their nationality.[/QUOTE]You are correct, however it doesn't seem to be enforced much in various parts of El Centro such as the street behind the Veracruz Church. So the question is, if a Colombian goes with someone off the street that is at least 14 but not yet 18 the legal age for them to be working, are they breaking the law. In answer to my question I was in Parque LLeras this morning and saw a sign saying that doing anything with a minor under 18 can get you sent to jail. The sign was both in English and Spanish and I believe directed towards all the tourists that frequent Lleras. There's no signs like that in EL Centro and there are a girls there that are minors looking for customers.

In between work obligations in the north and central parts of Colombia, I had a few days of are&are in MDE. It's always a pleasure to be back in this city that's just so freaking full of beautiful and sexy women. I was able to squeeze in three sessions. First up was Luciana, a Colombiana that I met at Energy last year. Fortunately her contact info. Was still good and we were able to make a date at my hotel in El Pobaldo. She is simply one of my all time favorites, a dream girl, which is saying something considering that we're talking about Colombianas. Sweet, fun, a good conversationalist, sexy as hell, and a great performer in the sack. After an intense session that really drained me (I'm a fit endurance athlete but almost 60), I took a day off and then had her come back the next day for an amazing repeat. Holy shit.

Last morning before work started again, I went to Energy where the line up was decent but not great. There were two girls I liked though, and I went with Perla, a 25 year old morena clara from Venezuela. As has been the case on almost every visit I've made to Energy, she was fantastic. By my standards, a gorgeous girl with a great smile, superb all natural body, lovely long black hair, and, most importantly, an excellent attitude. She would only do CBJ, but that wasn't an issue as she was just so carinosa and really aimed to please. In light of the level of her service and my budget, the 150 K for the hour might has well have been free. God, I love Colombia.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2336398]Smart if you ask me. They are hoping that god will bless them with customers.[/QUOTE]No, they are there because they want to be at the Church's doorstep to repent immediately after selling their bodies.

[QUOTE=Pokeris;2336368] After we walk to raudal area and was passing vera cruz church (first time in my life I saw girls working next to the church and standing just near church walls. We walk at raudal area this place looks more dodgy many homeless and drug addicts have some girls but I didint see any better looking ones. .[/QUOTE]You need to pay closer attention to what was working by the Vera Cruz Church, or maybe you had a few too many beers before arriving. In the area you described, this is where a lot of Transvesties congregate and hold court.

[QUOTE=Baudelairemod;2336489]Thanks, Dave. A friend of mine went there and was quite pleased with the overall experience although he said it wasn't as good as the one in Rio Sur.

At Jjbee62 - I have never been in La Strada for massages. Didn't really know they had any. Are they 100% over board and with the odd hand relief? Most of them will advertise as SPAs for caballeros.[/QUOTE]From what I've heard, yes.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2336561]You need to pay closer attention to what was working by the Vera Cruz Church, or maybe you had a few too many beers before arriving. In the area you described, this is where a lot of Transvesties congregate and hold court.[/QUOTE]I not going these kind of places drunk. Are you sure just transvestites standing next to the church? Next time go and have a look closer yourself.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2336561]You need to pay closer attention to what was working by the Vera Cruz Church, or maybe you had a few too many beers before arriving. In the area you described, this is where a lot of Transvesties congregate and hold court.[/QUOTE]Vera Cruz Church Service.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDbiTyijr8c[/URL]

[QUOTE=Pokeris;2336656]I not going these kind of places drunk. Are you sure just transvestites standing next to the church? Next time go and have a look closer yourself.[/QUOTE]As I stated in my Post, I said there are a lot of Transvesties next to the Church, not that there were just only Transvesties there.

I have been there at least 300 times over the last two years, so I don't need to take a closer look at the Transvesties there.

That specific area is also known as Transvestie row. And your wise not to be going there drunk.

The Transvesties given the right situation will gang up on you, it happened to a friend of mine.

[QUOTE=TyDown;2336673]Vera Cruz Church Service.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDbiTyijr8c[/URL][/QUOTE]Wrong link, apologies.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVNqC-Zq73U&t=17s[/URL]

[URL]https://www.elcolombiano.com/antioquia/seguridad/capturadas-dos-mujeres-que-extorsionaban-a-extranjero-GB10999825[/URL]

Two women accused of extorting a Canadian citizen who was in Medellin were captured in the last hours. According to the Prosecutor's Office, the alleged criminals, aged 31 and 23, respectively, demanded money in cash and some television sets so that they would not publish their intimate videos.

According to the victim, on the night of Saturday, June 15, he went to Lleras Park. There he met two women with whom he had drinks at an establishment in the sector. Minutes later he felt dizzy and one of them offered to take him to his apartment to rest.

The next day the Canadian woke up naked in a motel room, accompanied by the two women, who demanded payment of two million pesos not to make public alleged photographs and intimate videos of the previous night.

In the place he agreed to pay the sum of $ 1,200,000. However, they demanded the purchase of two televisions to finish paying the payment.

When the three of them were in a chain store to buy the televisions, the security personnel of the place noticed the situation and called the police, who captured the women, who at that moment were carrying the money of the extortion.

When they were presented before the 32 Municipal Criminal Court of Medellin, the alleged perpetrators of extortion were declared innocent and imposed a measure restricting their liberty.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2336954][URL]https://www.elcolombiano.com/antioquia/seguridad/capturadas-dos-mujeres-que-extorsionaban-a-extranjero-GB10999825[/URL]


When they were presented before the 32 Municipal Criminal Court of Medellin, the alleged perpetrators of extortion were declared innocent and imposed a measure restricting their liberty.[/QUOTE]They pleaded innocent (declared themselves innocent).

Just curious; Has anyone ever done a girl there that is bald? I never have. Many of them seem to be shave. I am talking about sex workers there. Just wondering.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2336555]You are correct, however it doesn't seem to be enforced much in various parts of El Centro such as the street behind the Veracruz Church. So the question is, if a Colombian goes with someone off the street that is at least 14 but not yet 18 the legal age for them to be working, are they breaking the law. In answer to my question I was in Parque LLeras this morning and saw a sign saying that doing anything with a minor under 18 can get you sent to jail. The sign was both in English and Spanish and I believe directed towards all the tourists that frequent Lleras. There's no signs like that in EL Centro and there are a girls there that are minors looking for customers.[/QUOTE]The old saying is that if you ask 10 people their opinion about something you would get about 12 different answers, this holds true especially in Colombia.

If you, a gringo from the USA, get busted with a girl under 18 your toast period, end of story.

Now this is where it gets tricky, what does the law state for Colombians, you will get many different answers so I had researched this and spoken to Colombian lawyers and without going into all the details it is different from Colombian nationals but here are many caveats to this so the bottom line is 18 and older, always check ID to confirm.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2336709]As I stated in my Post, I said there are a lot of Transvesties next to the Church, not that there were just only Transvesties there.

I have been there at least 300 times over the last two years, so I don't need to take a closer look at the Transvesties there.

That specific area is also known as Transvestie row. And your wise not to be going there drunk.

The Transvesties given the right situation will gang up on you, it happened to a friend of mine.[/QUOTE]Spot on advice guys, don't [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] these trannies off, they all carry knives and anyone of them would no think twice about sticking you and making you leak, seriously even despite myself wanting to tell them off I shut my mouth when I pass them, especially if they are in a group of 3 or 5 as they are many times, and very politely nod my head no thanks / not interested.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Member#2001;2336972]Just curious; Has anyone ever done a girl there that is bald? I never have. Many of them seem to be shave. I am talking about sex workers there. Just wondering.[/QUOTE]Isn't bald and shaved the same thing?

As I wrote about I was drugged last summer. Of course this wouldn't work on me, I'm single, retired and could care less about someone posting this kinda shit on the Internet....

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2336954][URL]https://www.elcolombiano.com/antioquia/seguridad/capturadas-dos-mujeres-que-extorsionaban-a-extranjero-GB10999825[/URL]

Two women accused of extorting a Canadian citizen who was in Medellin were captured in the last hours. According to the Prosecutor's Office, the alleged criminals, aged 31 and 23, respectively, demanded money in cash and some television sets so that they would not publish their intimate videos.

According to the victim, on the night of Saturday, June 15, he went to Lleras Park. There he met two women with whom he had drinks at an establishment in the sector. Minutes later he felt dizzy and one of them offered to take him to his apartment to rest.

The next day the Canadian woke up naked in a motel room, accompanied by the two women, who demanded payment of two million pesos not to make public alleged photographs and intimate videos of the previous night.

In the place he agreed to pay the sum of $ 1,200,000. However, they demanded the purchase of two televisions to finish paying the payment.

When the three of them were in a chain store to buy the televisions, the security personnel of the place noticed the situation and called the police, who captured the women, who at that moment were carrying the money of the extortion.

When they were presented before the 32 Municipal Criminal Court of Medellin, the alleged perpetrators of extortion were declared innocent and imposed a measure restricting their liberty.[/QUOTE]

The girls fucked up when they got greedy and went for the TVs. Even if they hadn't been noticed when they were, the victim could have gone back to store security for the surveillance video. If the girls had gone away after they got the cash they might have gotten away with it. I'm very pleased they did not get away with it.

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;2337016]As I wrote about I was drugged last summer. Of course this wouldn't work on me, I'm single, retired and could care less about someone posting this kinda shit on the Internet....[/QUOTE]

Spend 4 hours walking today from 1 pm at el centro checked many casas around 14. Disappointed with quality today yesterday was much better. In total I see just 6-7 girls I like in range of 7 from all casas I visited today. I not mention all names of casas just some of them which can be interested.

Aiffe have 7-9 girls 2 of them was cute I take 18 years old name samanta colombian girl. she was fine have big boobs and not so bad looking body just her boobs was lacting when I touch it. She said its painfull so I don't touch them anymore. She told me she has one baby.price 30 minutes - 45 k. The room was not so bad here I will add photo of the room.

Zandalay- first time I so disappointed with line here. They show me just 2 girls and said all other occupied. I was drinking my beer around 20 minutes more inside but any more girls come so I left.

Safari sala de masajes- this place seems moved somewhere or gone they have rent sign on the doors and phone number. I knock the door some girl open for me I ask for girls but she point me some other direction with her fingers and said something in spanish I could understand.

Traviesas sexi. Seems this casa is not on mongering map of Medellin. I ask prices: 30 minutes-45 k pesos 1 hour- 75 k pesos. 2 k viewing fee if not take a girl. Inside was 5 girls one was cute but I didn't take any girl pay 2 k pesos and left. I will share card with address.

Hotel balcones de Cuba- you walk upstairs after second stairs and after one more stairs. I ask to show me girls. The man inside start to knock all diffrent rooms doors and from each separate 5 rooms girls come one from each room. One was cute other not good looking. This place looks like hotel together with casa inside.

Also in the end I check veracruz area was thinking maybe will find some cute street girl for 30 minutes, but all girls was not good looking probably I would fuck them for free. Was lazy to comeback to previous casas for other girls I like before so catch taxi and comeback hotel.

Probably the best line from all casas most of the times have new life I have 3 diffent girls from this place in 3 diffrent days before. Except today was weak line.

[QUOTE=CharmCityDave;2337016]As I wrote about I was drugged last summer. [/QUOTE]Unless a guy gets killed from the drugs as some have, many chose to continue to come here after getting drugged and robbed. Everyone else thinks it could never happen to them.

Go to casas around 10-11 am if you want to see the best available lineup.

[QUOTE=Pokeris;2337030]Spend 4 hours walking today from 1 pm at el centro checked many casas around 14. Dissapointed with quality today yesterday was much better. In total I see just 6-7 girls I like in range of 7 from all casas I visited today. I not mention all names of casas just some of them which can be interested.[/QUOTE]

I would never rule it out as something that could happen to me. I take reasonable precautions and I'm extra careful to avoid partying with unknown randoms. A good rule of thumb is never leave your wallet, other valuables, or your beverage unattended. So far, so good but I take nothing for granted.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2337034]Unless a guy gets killed from the drugs as some have, many chose to continue to come here after getting drugged and robbed. Everyone else thinks it could never happen to them.[/QUOTE]

I think I know the lactating girl in Aiffe. Attractive and petite with milk swollen natural breasts. She mentioned she was lactating. If I remember right she was a good worker. Thanks for the report.

[QUOTE=Pokeris;2337030]Spend 4 hours walking today from 1 pm at el centro checked many casas around 14. Dissapointed with quality today yesterday was much better. In total I see just 6-7 girls I like in range of 7 from all casas I visited today. I not mention all names of casas just some of them which can be interested.

Aiffe have 7-9 girls 2 of them was cute I take 18 years old name samanta colombian girl. she was fine have big boobs and not so bad looking body just her boobs was lacting when I touch it. She said its painfull so I don't touch them anymore. She told me she has one baby.price 30 minutes - 45 k. The room was not so bad here I will add photo of the room.

Zandalay- first time I so dissapointed with line here. They show me just 2 girls and said all other accupied. I was drinking my beer around 20 minutes more inside but any more girls come so I left.

Safari sala de masajes- this place seems moved somewhere or gone they have rent sign on the doors and phone number. I knock the door some girl open for me I ask for girls but she point me some other direction with her fingers and said something in spanish I could understand..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pokeris;2337030]Also in the end I check veracruz area was thinking maybe will find some cute street girl for 30 minutes, but all girls was not good looking probably I would fuck them for free. Was lazy to comeback to previous casas for other girls I like before so catch taxi and comeback hotel..[/QUOTE]Nice report about your experiences in the Casa's today. Some advice for you regarding the Veracruz area. It's not like going to a casa and your shown an immediate line up. There are cuties to be had in and around the Veracruz area, but they typically moving around, and can be buried within all the fat and ugly ones.

The Veracruz area takes time to mine, so if you want to find something nice you may have to spend at least a few hours hanging around. A lot of the girls will make the "rounds" in the passageway alongside the Church where the girls are coming up from the backstreet up to the Church. I at times park myself directly opposite the Church and Transvestie Row and just watch the parade of people and Putas going up and down this pedestrian walkway. If you see something you like, motion them over and talk with them You will notice that a portion of the walkway is covered with glass with the storm and sewer drainage system installed below, this is a good area to just hangout.

Again to be successful in the Veracruz area, your going to need to spend some time there, but with patience you will find some cuties.

That could be largely true, but there are few girls Sunday- Wednesday, and you may not see a girl you like after walking around 3-4 hours. In terms of cost-benefit ratio, it is not worth spending hours looking for a gem at Botero / Veracruz. Going to casas would make more sense.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2337046]Nice report about your experiences in the Casa's today. Some advice for you regarding the Veracruz area. It's not like going to a casa and your shown an immediate line up. There are cuties to be had in and around the Veracruz area, but they typically moving around, and can be buried within all the fat and ugly ones.

The Veracruz area takes time to mine, so if you want to find something nice you may have to spend at least a few hours hanging around. A lot of the girls will make the "rounds" in the passageway alongside the Church where the girls are coming up from the backstreet up to the Church. I at times park myself directly opposite the Church and Transvestie Row and just watch the parade of people and Putas going up and down this pedestrian walkway. If you see something you like, motion them over and talk with them You will notice that a portion of the walkway is covered with glass with the storm and sewer drainage system installed below, this is a good area to just hangout.

Again to be successful in the Veracruz area, your going to need to spend some time there, but with patience you will find some cuties.[/QUOTE]

Landed. Got raped in the airport. Exchanged $100 USD. XE exchange rate around 3350. They gave me 2451.89,950 pesos stolen! 27% loss. But needed some money.

Took the bus right outside the doors to El Centro for 10,000 p. Make sure you take the one to El Centro versus Poblado. Seats 20. Sit on right side (passenger side) that way you are looking down into the valley and see the scenery versus left side you can not see much up the steep mountain side. Drops me off behind Nutribara Hotel El Centro. Someone explain how I sat again on the left side and was looking up rather than down. Must be 2 different routes. .

Staying at Calle Real. Bed is hard. Shower door is narrow like 3 1/2 soap trays wide (see pic). Next to Botero Park is the Metro. Stayed 1 week then went to d'Grieff for 2 weeks. Bed no softer. In the corner room #406 I could look across at the park and down Calle 53. I do not recommend staying at either hotel. I stayed in this area to see if I could tough it out. Now anywhere else should be easy. Glad I did. If I started in a more foreigner friendly area my guard would have been down and I would have been pick pocketed.

Missing lots of sleep before trip. Had headache. My Viagra hit made it worse. No girls day 1.

No girls day 2. Spent time finding my way around, finding food, finding ATMs, people watching. Never saw a foreign currency exchange in the El Centro area. Every time I went to a bank to see what their exchange rate was there was a line so never found out. ATM rate is terrific. BBV's ATM was in Spanish. Bank of Bogota and Davivienda have an English option. Use Davivienda because no fees. I use the one at the Parque Berrio Metro transit because 24/7, no lines like at the banks, and police near by except late at night. Saw one guy on the street with a pipe and pretty sure what looked like crack. 2 days later saw a guy around 9 pm sitting on the ground putting a needle in his leg. So exciting here. There was a girl I approached at an apple stand eating an apple and asked if the had ID and she did not so I waved goodbye and left. She immediately followed me. Entwined her arm with mine walking together while her other hand tried to pickpocket me. I got away from her and she followed me half a block to my hotel and would not leave. She told the hotel receptionist that I fucked her and did not pay. I told her to get the Policia. The receptionist and cleaning lady told me to just give her 2000 p to go away. I refused. Get the Police. They are everywhere. They gave her a few coins and she left. If I give her money it then she will do it again and again with larger demands. And that next guy could be you. So you are welcome. Two days and feel like Rodney (see pic).

Texted 2 Photoprepagos. One disconnected. Texted 2 Mileroticos. Made 2 dates at same address. Hmmm. That is strange. 6 pm tonight and 10 am the next day. Karen was not Karen. Switcharoo. This girl was one I had seen in another ad with tattoos but in her picture she was much thinner. She was OK and for 90,000 OK. She did not shower with me. She does not kiss. She held her arms up near her boobs rather than down to the side like she was protecting them. Acted like I was going to leave mark on her boobs by sucking lightly. No A / see. Had fan blowing up her pussy drying it out. Stupid. 2 guys and the older lady who let me in were watching TV and chatting. The girl was trying to rush me. Gave up. No load given. Shut the door so we could not shower together. Was out the room in a flash. Could not be bothered to sit in the bedroom while I got dressed. Left at 6:40. Ate a block away and walked from Laureles to Centro. Grabbed a few things at the Exito supermarket on the way to hotel. Carrying a grocery bag gives the impression you either live there or are a regular. Helps me fit in. Back at hotel 9 pm.

Next morning tried taking the bus to Laureles. Communication issue. The guy moves 30 meters. Then said need different bus. I asked for my money back and he said no. Asked 3 times saying cambio, dinero, peso. Asshole refused because we went 30 meters. 1200 p gone in a flash! Found another. Got the apartment and another guy was waiting. I told him about last night and showed him the picture of the girl I was supposed to meet known in her fake ads as Mafe, Nataly, Sofi, Corazon, Pamela, Maria Jose. He said she does not exist. Which I thought but wanted to see what they offered in her replacement. We both were texting but no replies. The girl I had the night before saw me as she went in the door to start work. Nobody let me in the door. The other guy spoke Spanish and walked in when another girl came for work. I just did not care and went home. The pictures and cell numbers change easily but moving is difficult. Avoid 35-57 Avenue 80 (corner Avenida 80 and Calle 35). (see pic).

3 days later the other Photorepagos girl Anyi contacted me and said I could meet her at her bar behind Nutribara Hotel and gave me the address. I counter offered 70 from the 50 she was asking if she comes to me at the'Grieff. No reply. I was only staying 3 blocks away. Scam!

0 for 4 using the online Mileroticos and Photoprepagos.

El Centro. Approached 6 girls I wanted but none had IDs. But 2 of their ugly fat friends did. One girl had an ID so we went to my 50,000 p hotel. The ID was in bad shape but Calle Real hotel would not let her in because it had a Venezuelan ID. I took her to a ST hotel which accepted her ID. Very light baby damage. Super sweet girl. Many positions but my brain is on overload so no load shot. She asked for 50. I said 40. She accepted. But I gave her 50 anyways. The ST hotel was 20,000 which seemed high but I let it slide. Next day I passed by so I stopped in to ask the hourly rate. 11,000 p. That super sweet * returned to the hotel for an extra 9,000 p tip. I texted her and let her know that I knew what she did but was not mad. No problems.

9:00 pm and a guy walks up waving something that looks like menus in a fan pattern (like playing cards you are holding) and tries to pickpocket me. He seemed shocked I knew what he was trying to do and took a few steps towards him. Just remember any time something is putting something in your face it is someone trying to pickpocket you.

Took the Metro to Villa Sierra. Nope. Just thought I was. The cashier stole a little over 10,000 of the 20,000 I gave her. Went back 5 minutes later. Another employee got the money back for me and told me that the Villa Sierra route was closed for maintenance and pointed to the sign. So that * tried to rob me and sent me to a closed route. Transportation in this country sucks. OK, I took one taxi and he did help me find a incomplete address that was given to me.

Took the tram up the mountain to La Aurora instead. Damn I hate heights. Damn mountain side is more like cliffs. Many 20 story apartments up there. Killer views I am sure. Very relaxing up there. I was wearing shorts and nobody noticed me. Bought a juice off the street vendor. She was shocked to see a foreigner and shook my hand. Apartments start at Torre 1. I went to Torre 10 and that was as far as I could go on that route. (see pic).

I love fucking with people so I saw 2 girls and stopped them saying, "No Espanol". Then I looked up the mountain side. Pointed left and asked, "El Centro? Then pointed right and asked, "El Centro? The looks on their faces was very funny.

Saw many people sniffing glue day and night. 2-3 people smoking what looked like crack. Many people smoking weed. But I was hopped up on Dick Cocaine so I am just as bad. So many homeless people. Saw a guy several times at the same location in the afternoon. Businesses pile their garbage outside. Homeless guy parks his ass near the bags. Moves the bags around him in a circle. Then he rips through the bags and starts munching on food he finds in the garbage. What a sight to see.

I would talk about the girls I found and share pix but after resizing pix and trying 2 different days with "upload of file failed". I give the fuck up.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2337046]Nice report about your experiences in the Casa's today. Some advice for you regarding the Veracruz area. It's not like going to a casa and your shown an immediate line up. There are cuties to be had in and around the Veracruz area, but they typically moving around, and can be buried within all the fat and ugly ones.
The Veracruz area takes time to mine, so if you want to find something nice you may have to spend at least a few hours hanging around....
......Again to be successful in the Veracruz area, your going to need to spend some time there, but with patience you will find some cuties.[/QUOTE]Good advice. I've been, but not on a busy day. My impressions are that it would be difficult to spend hours walking the same route (s). Planting at a spot might make more sense. It seemed like most of the girls are less than fuckable but some guys obviously are into that. All around and a few blocks in one direction there are great places to look around and watch the marketplace at work and there are some adequate cheap restaurants. It's interesting. For that experience I can see spending some hours there and if during I can revisit the RL area a few times and find something, so be it. But hours only walking that dingy area hoping to find a gem seems too much for me when one of several casas would do the same thing. I can see where the sport comes into play for the guys that enjoy it there.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2337037]Go to casas around 10-11 am if you want to see the best available lineup.[/QUOTE]I think it better between 12-2 pm because 10 am not all casas is open and some girls coming later.most of the times before if i start early i not get some good lines.Like example today I want check out dona esneda sala de masages and la casa de dona fanny I arrived 11 am but both was closed I ring the bell of one casa but nobody open I walk to other one near and knock a door some locals was standing near and they told me its open just from 1 pm I really was surprised. So I walk to divinas and take here cute girl her name was diana from Colombia 50 k - 30 minutes.she was good. After I meet other member from ISG and we have a walk at veracruz and raudal but I could see anything I like just other guy collected some girl number.i not ready to waste couple of hours to find a girl as this areas if its not available quickly to find. like somebody said its easier go casa. After we hit some casas but I see the girl I like just at new life her name was Lucy from Colombia so spend 30 minutes with her.

I plan to spend 4-6 weeks in a Spanish language immersion school and my hope is to find a "girlfriend" while there. I really am not interested in hitting the casa's or street ladies. I am fortunate to have a healthy budget for this and plan to seek an AirBnB near the school. I would welcome suggestions for for finding an affectionate girlfriend, attractive mid-30's (don't care for the too young ones) who understands I won't be staying in Colombia or bringing her home.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2337311]That could be largely true, but there are few girls Sunday- Wednesday, and you may not see a girl you like after walking around 3-4 hours. In terms of cost-benefit ratio, it is not worth spending hours looking for a gem at Botero / Veracruz. Going to casas would make more sense.[/QUOTE]Actually on late Sunday afternoons there can be a lot of part-timers that come out looking to make some money. Additionally, the best hours on weekdays are from about 4 to 6 PM, lots of girls want to make some money and get out before dark. Just my observations.

Does all,

The apartments have a doorman / front desk who asks for IDs of you guests? Reading the forum I think it's a hassle. Not planning to do anything illegal, but I just don't like to face someone with a new girl every time I'm going back to my place.

Planning a trip to Colombia, I want to visit Bogota and Medellin from August 3rd to 13th. I was planning to be in Medellin first and then Bogota and I just found out there is Feria de las flores during that time. Does that affect the mongering scene and nightlife? Should I avoid that time or it really doesn't matter? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2337019]The girls fucked up when they got greedy and went for the TVs. Even if they hadn't been noticed when they were, the victim could have gone back to store security for the surveillance video. If the girls had gone away after they got the cash they might have gotten away with it. I'm very pleased they did not get away with it.[/QUOTE]As long as what we're doing is legal. Bring it. Could care less.

In the original post of yours, you state and admit that "The Veracruz area takes time to mine, so if you want to find something nice you may have to spend at least a few hours hanging around. " Again, in terms of cost-benefit ratio, casas would be much efficient for similar or better service.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2337651]Actually on late Sunday afternoons there can be a lot of part-timers that come out looking to make some money. Additionally, the best hours on weekdays are from about 4 to 6 PM, lots of girls want to make some money and get out before dark. Just my observations.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2337877]In the original post of yours, you state and admit that "The Veracruz area takes time to mine, so if you want to find something nice you may have to spend at least a few hours hanging around. " Again, in terms of cost-benefit ratio, casas would be much efficient for similar or better service.[/QUOTE]There are members on this board that do not patronize casa's and I am one of them.

If you have never done the Veracruz scene, how would you know whether similar or better service can't be obtained there.

I was offering some advice to one of the other members in case they wanted to further sample the Veracruz area. This advice was not based on a comparison to casa's, or how quick a "hottie" could be found.

In terms of better service from the Veracruz girls versus the casa's, well for me I have a stable of girls I have developed over the past several months in the Veracruz area I enjoy.

So imagine having none of the constraints typically found in the casa's, like the set fees for time spent, no private room with shower except in the higher end casa's, and rules, etc.

Every body rolls differently, and if you like casa's there's nothing wrong with that.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2337877]In the original post of yours, you state and admit that "The Veracruz area takes time to mine, so if you want to find something nice you may have to spend at least a few hours hanging around. " Again, in terms of cost-benefit ratio, casas would be much efficient for similar or better service.[/QUOTE]It all depends on the individual. I've been with guys who visited 4 or 5 casas looking for the best girl, then settled on one, because they were tired of looking and didn't want to go back to the first casa.

There were times when I was walking Veracruz and almost immediately saw a girl I liked. Other times I would make 3 laps without seeing any gems. For me it never mattered. I walk El Centro because I really enjoy walking El Centro.

The "cost-benefit ratio" isn't worth much, because everyone has different criteria for the "benefit. " Some guys enjoy the walk and selection process, some enjoy haggling with the girls. Some want the grubby and gritty side of mongering, while others want clean sheets and a hot shower. Some guys want to sit and enjoy a beer while taking time to make a selection.

Whatever scene makes you the happiest is the best scene. For you.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2337877]In the original post of yours, you state and admit that "The Veracruz area takes time to mine, so if you want to find something nice you may have to spend at least a few hours hanging around. " Again, in terms of cost-benefit ratio, casas would be much efficient for similar or better service.[/QUOTE]There is a difference between going to a supermarket to buy fruit vs. exploring the country asking farmers to show their best products.

First option is quicker, easier, and definitely not time consuming. The second is not for everyone, takes time, effort, patience, but the satisfaction that may give is priceless.
To each his own.

The front desk is very familiar with the process. The girls register and I get called that they are on their way to see me. Works for me

[QUOTE=XBoyx;2337780]Does all,

The apartments have a doorman / front desk who asks for IDs of you guests? Reading the forum I think it's a hassle. Not planning to do anything illegal, but I just don't like to face someone with a new girl every time I'm going back to my place.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=XBoyx;2337780]Does all,

The apartments have a doorman / front desk who asks for IDs of you guests? Reading the forum I think it's a hassle. Not planning to do anything illegal, but I just don't like to face someone with a new girl every time I'm going back to my place.[/QUOTE]From experience, I think a majority of the airbnb's do not have a doorman. Almost all, if not all, of the high-rise apartment buildings have a doorman. Many of the airbnb's are in buildings with only a few apartments, making it not cost efficient to have a doorman. The downside of the small buildings is that some have long-term residents who like to spy on what goes on in the building. Usually, it is older, single women who raise a fuss about guests.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2338105]From experience, I think a majority of the airbnb's do not have a doorman. Almost all, if not all, of the high-rise apartment buildings have a doorman. Many of the airbnb's are in buildings with only a few apartments, making it not cost efficient to have a doorman. The downside of the small buildings is that some have long-term residents who like to spy on what goes on in the building. Usually, it is older, single women who raise a fuss about guests.[/QUOTE]Portero is the term used for doorman in Colombia.

Today's Spanish lesson.

[QUOTE=PilotPete;2337488]I plan to spend 4-6 weeks in a Spanish language immersion school and my hope is to find a "girlfriend" while there. I really am not interested in hitting the casa's or street ladies. I am fortunate to have a healthy budget for this and plan to seek an AirBnB near the school. I would welcome suggestions for for finding an affectionate girlfriend, attractive mid-30's (don't care for the too young ones) who understands I won't be staying in Colombia or bringing her home.[/QUOTE]You might try an app named "Tagged". I haven't subscribed to it yet, so I don't know the response rate. It allows you to search any age group.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2338105] Many of the airbnb's are in buildings with only a few apartments, making it not cost efficient to have a doorman. The downside of the small buildings is that some have long-term residents who like to spy on what goes on in the building. Usually, it is older, single women who raise a fuss about guests.[/QUOTE]These older residents should not be ignored. They are very protective of their building.
Some are quick to call reinforcements i.e. neighbors or relatives staying close by.

BKKguru

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2337321]Landed. Got raped in the airport. Exchanged $100 USD. XE exchange rate around 3350. They gave me 2451.89,950 pesos stolen! 27% loss. But needed some money.

Took the bus right outside the doors to El Centro for 10,000 p. Make sure you take the one to El Centro versus Poblado. Seats 20. Sit on right side (passenger side) that way you are looking down into the valley and see the scenery versus left side you can not see much up the steep mountain side. Drops me off behind Nutribara Hotel El Centro. Someone explain how I sat again on the left side and was looking up rather than down. Must be 2 different routes. .

Staying at Calle Real. Bed is hard. Shower door is narrow like 3 1/2 soap trays wide (see pic). Next to Botero Park is the Metro. Stayed 1 week then went to d'Grieff for 2 weeks. Bed no softer. In the corner room #406 I could look across at the park and down Calle 53. I do not recommend staying at either hotel. I stayed in this area to see if I could tough it out. Now anywhere else should be easy. Glad I did. If I started in a more foreigner friendly area my guard would have been down and I would have been pick pocketed.

Missing lots of sleep before trip. Had headache. My Viagra hit made it worse. No girls day 1.

No girls day 2. Spent time finding my way around, finding food, finding ATMs, people watching. Never saw a foreign currency exchange in the El Centro area. Every time I went to a bank to see what their exchange rate was there was a line so never found out. ATM rate is terrific..[/QUOTE]Interesting post, looks like your feeling your way around centro.

Your experience and statement is spot on - "9:00 pm and a guy walks up waving something that looks like menus in a fan pattern (like playing cards you are holding) and tries to pickpocket me. He seemed shocked I knew what he was trying to do and took a few steps towards him. Just remember any time something is putting something in your face it is someone trying to pickpocket you. "Exactly what a guy did to me in Bogota a few months back, he was very quick and good as he waved his menu close to my face and YES he pickpocket guess what from my shirt pocket? Two condoms in a small plastic bag from my shirt pocket BUT they were Magnum XXL, hehehehehe what the fuck is that little prick going to do with his catch of the day.

The Tall Man.

Yakuza is the only casa I can think of that doesn't have private en suite shower / bathrooms. It's an outlier in that respect and others. The recommended mode of use there is to treat it like Veracruz. In fact, it is the closest thing to a compromise between Veracruz and a casa. I think it's more Veracruz than casa. Take your girl from there to a nearby short time place. I think Veracruz is fun but not for everybody, just like casas. I get the point about the time it takes to build up a group of regulars or to find a good provider. It works better for those of us who do longer term visits or live in Medellin. It's all good.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2337913]There are members on this board that do not patronize casa's and I am one of them.

If you have never done the Veracruz scene, how would you know whether similar or better service can't be obtained there.

I was offering some advice to one of the other members in case they wanted to further sample the Veracruz area. This advice was not based on a comparison to casa's, or how quick a "hottie" could be found.

In terms of better service from the Veracruz girls versus the casa's, well for me I have a stable of girls I have developed over the past several months in the Veracruz area I enjoy..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2337321]Texted 2 Photoprepagos. One disconnected. Texted 2 Mileroticos. Made 2 dates at same address. Hmmm. That is strange. 6 pm tonight and 10 am the next day. Karen was not Karen. Switcharoo. This girl was one I had seen in another ad with tattoos but in her picture she was much thinner. She was OK and for 90,000 OK. She did not shower with me. She does not kiss. She held her arms up near her boobs rather than down to the side like she was protecting them. Acted like I was going to leave mark on her boobs by sucking lightly. No A / see. Had fan blowing up her pussy drying it out. Stupid. 2 guys and the older lady who let me in were watching TV and chatting. The girl was trying to rush me. Gave up. No load given. Shut the door so we could not shower together. Was out the room in a flash. Could not be bothered to sit in the bedroom while I got dressed. Left at 6:40. Ate a block away and walked from Laureles to Centro. Grabbed a few things at the Exito supermarket on the way to hotel. Carrying a grocery bag gives the impression you either live there or are a regular. Helps me fit in. Back at hotel 9 pm..[/QUOTE]Good trip report man. And thanks for discussing Mileroticos and Photoprepagos.

Some people here have posted how it's easy get laid with those sites but the reality is that none of those pics of girls on there are at all accurate and their also not as open as they claim to be on their ads.

Some of them look so different from their pics that you'the rather pay them to just leave before even doing anything.

I suppose one solution is to agree to FaceTime with them before having them come over or making the trip out to them.

Oh and obviously one must know pretty good Spanish to communicate (in person) with the ones on these websites.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2338271]Yakuza is the only casa I can think of that doesn't have private en suite shower / bathrooms. It's an outlier in that respect and others. The recommended mode of use there is to treat it like Veracruz. In fact, it is the closest thing to a compromise between Veracruz and a casa. I think it's more Veracruz than casa. Take your girl from there to a nearby short time place. I think Veracruz is fun but not for everybody, just like casas. I get the point about the time it takes to build up a group of regulars or to find a good provider. It works better for those of us who do longer term visits or live in Medellin. It's all good.[/QUOTE]I went to Yakuza once about four years ago and remember the walls between the rooms almost being like plywood with a dirty mattress on the floor. It was a real shit hole then and sounds the same from all the latest posts. And your correct, for those who live here, most have a stable of girls, where as the guys that show up for a few weeks at a time struggle when it comes to working the Veracruz street scene or other street venues due to their time constraints.

Made my weekly pass through Centro yesterday for a change of scenery. Great service as usual. I'm amazed sometimes at the GFE and extras like licking my balls, sucking my toes, giving me a prostate massage with tongue and other things that even my GF doesn't think to do. Life is good!!

Last night was pretty cool as well as there was a concert in the park and a lot of people came out. Some of the riff raff got moved out for the event. All and all, an enjoyable event and I met some cool people. There was also a lot of eye candy.

This was posted a few hours ago.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2338512]Made my weekly pass through Centro yesterday for a change of scenery. Great service as usual. I'm amazed sometimes at the GFE and extras like licking my balls, sucking my toes, giving me a prostate massage with tongue and other things that even my GF doesn't think to do. Life is good!!.[/QUOTE]Shame on you, now that you have let the cat out of the bag about the girls in El Centro, there will be a stampede of guys there, which will destroy our beloved playground!

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2338512]Made my weekly pass through Centro yesterday for a change of scenery.

Last night was pretty cool as well as there was a concert in the park and a lot of people came out.[/QUOTE]I guess neither the concert organizers nor the concert goers had heard how dangerous it is down there, especially at night.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2338563]I guess neither the concert organizers nor the concert goers had heard how dangerous it is down there, especially at night.[/QUOTE]They probably know that there's a boat load of cops all over the place during and after the event.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2338112]You might try an app named "Tagged". I haven't subscribed to it yet, so I don't know the response rate. It allows you to search any age group.[/QUOTE]Thank you, Sir. I will try that.

[QUOTE=Trojan22;2338284]Good trip report man. And thanks for discussing Mileroticos and Photoprepagos.

Some people here have posted how it's easy get laid with those sites but the reality is that none of those pics of girls on there are at all accurate and their also not as open as they claim to be on their ads.

Some of them look so different from their pics that you'the rather pay them to just leave before even doing anything.

I suppose one solution is to agree to FaceTime with them before having them come over or making the trip out to them.

Oh and obviously one must know pretty good Spanish to communicate (in person) with the ones on these websites.[/QUOTE]When I used these two resources in the past, probably like 3 years ago, I always ask for a number of recent pics, also try to facetime them, these worked with good success as I saw exactly what I was getting and the 3 or 4 that I used were good, not great but good.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2338216]Interesting post, looks like your feeling your way around centro.

Your experience and statement is spot on - "9:00 pm and a guy walks up waving something that looks like menus in a fan pattern (like playing cards you are holding) and tries to pickpocket me. He seemed shocked I knew what he was trying to do and took a few steps towards him. Just remember any time something is putting something in your face it is someone trying to pickpocket you. "Exactly what a guy did to me in Bogota a few months back, he was very quick and good as he waved his menu close to my face and YES he pickpocket guess what from my shirt pocket? Two condoms in a small plastic bag from my shirt pocket BUT they were Magnum XXL, hehehehehe what the fuck is that little prick going to do with his catch of the day.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Ethiopia, sometimes the scam goes they spit on your leg, then the come over say "I'm sorry, I'm sorry", bla bla bla, and all the time their cleaning up your pants with something, their reaching in your pocket with the other. Another scam is when you see see people in the street with a box of various candies and they hold it up to your waist and say, "me hungry mister, candy, candy", then they go into your pocket with the other hand. I don't ever carry alot of money, but one time someone took my crappy cheap phone. It was not a smart phone, but it was the only phone I had. Did not loose much, its just an inconvenience.

The funny thing is when you catch them red handed, yell thief thief. and trust me those guys can run like hell, faster than I can anyway. When you hell thief thief, people will run after them too and they will be caught. WHen they are caught, they are handed over to the police, and they have no mercy on them. THe police there will beat them badly. Then, they go to jail. I have seen it happen several times.

At least that is what they use to do 10 years ago when I was there.

What ever happened to "Ask Brofessor"?

He was a former US Marine and an Iraq Desert Storm Veteran. After the War he used to help other veterans who where suffering from PTSD, pretty cool guy. Any way, he made his way down to Colombia, where he got into Body Building and Fitness craz.

He hung out in South and Central America a couple years and won some Body Building Contests and seemed to be doing well for himself.

Then one day about 2 years ago, he posted a video from Colombia, and in this video the guy was scared shitless, he was running from somebody, on the way to the airport. That was the last video he ever posted.

Word on the street is that he was murdered in Colombia, other reports say he escaped and is in hiding. I don't know.

I found this video on someone else's channel, Brofessors channel is dead.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ur42FVy5-Q[/URL]

Has anybody here heard of this guy?

[QUOTE=Balboa;2338635]They probably know that there's a boat load of cops all over the place during and after the event.[/QUOTE]Doesn't hurt that the Mayor was there and the event was televised.

[QUOTE=Member#2001;2338671]sometimes the scam goes they spit on your leg, then the come over say "I'm sorry, I'm sorry", bla bla bla, and all the time their cleaning up your pants with something, their reaching in your pocket with the other.[/QUOTE]For me it is second nature to walk with my hands in my pockets when I am in such surroundings. Maybe that is why nobody has ever tried any bullshit like that on me. They can't get into my pockets and they don't know what I am holding onto inside of my pockets.

Hello,

I'm visiting Medellín in July for a week. If someone can help me showing the ropes I would greatly appreciate that. I Would love to hangout with any of you guys, I would love to meet wolf or Tall man, loved their reviews and insights. I'm el Centro kind of a guy rather than el Poblado. My subscription expired and the credit card subscriptions are not working for some reason. I need to send it by mail.

Anyway, will greatly appreciate any suggestions on where to stay for a first timer to Medellín with limited Spanish skills (by I'm learning fast though). I'm planning to visit new life, roam around Vera Cruz, Raudal for a little bit, conejitas and barra ejectiva etc. , this is the vibe I like. I don't like the club scene that much. But I understand it is not that safe for first timers in el Centro. I was planning to book a room in Nutibara. Please suggest.

Thank you all.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2338693]For me it is second nature to walk with my hands in my pockets when I am in such surroundings. Maybe that is why nobody has ever tried any bullshit like that on me. They can't get into my pockets and they don't know what I am holding onto inside of my pockets.[/QUOTE]I have not seen any mention of Cargo Pants. These Pants would be perfect for walking around Santa Fe.

Cargo pants have the extra large pocket on the outside of the Pant. It would be a good place to keep your Cash.
These pockets are secured by buttons or a zipper. Buttons offer more security.

You have 4 Pockets on the front side and 2 on the backside. The bad guys would not know which Pocket is loaded.
You can walk with your hands in the top pockets. Your Cash can be in one of the lower right OR left pocket.
These Pockets are extra wide. Perfect to keep your Passport too.

BKKguru

The moment anyone is within touching distance you have to be on guard, especially in any kind of sketchy location. I've seen drunk guys get pickpocketed in honky tonk settings (Bourbon Street, New Orleans, Boca Chica) by groups of girls who fondled their dicks while rifling their pockets. As soon as some girl puts her hand on your crotch out in public that should be like a siren going off.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2338693]For me it is second nature to walk with my hands in my pockets when I am in such surroundings. Maybe that is why nobody has ever tried any bullshit like that on me. They can't get into my pockets and they don't know what I am holding onto inside of my pockets.[/QUOTE]

Can someone please mention few stripclubs and casas that have highest value for the money in Medellin? Thanks!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2338693]For me it is second nature to walk with my hands in my pockets when I am in such surroundings. Maybe that is why nobody has ever tried any bullshit like that on me. They can't get into my pockets and they don't know what I am holding onto inside of my pockets.[/QUOTE]God forbid if they discovered you were holding onto your Johnson!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2338325]I went to Yakuza once about four years ago and remember the walls between the rooms almost being like plywood with a dirty mattress on the floor. It was a real shit hole ...........[/QUOTE]Have not ever experienced that bad in Medellin. Trust you were deloused.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2338912]Have not ever experienced that bad in Medellin. Trust you were deloused.[/QUOTE]I had no idea what I was getting into, this was about four years ago and after paying and being shown the room with the Chica I decided to get the deed done as quickly as possible and never return there again. Fortunately I didn't need a de-lousing afterwards, and it's probably the most filthy casa I had ever been to when I used to patronize casas but no more.

The thing that perplexes me is why guys patronize the place. I don't recall the pricing but it's got to be more than the cost of pulling a girl from the Veracruz area and hitting a 5,000 Peso room. Maybe it gets customers for the ease of dumping a load prior to taking the Airport bus on the way in or out of town? Go figure!

As I said, Yakuza is an outlier. Its facilities are awful by any objective measure. The best play is to bring the girl to a nearby hotel. The management at Yakuza is fully supportive of the practice. It is win / win because they only have two session rooms; it helps keep them available so they don't lose customers who aren't willing to wait around for them to be free.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2338912]Have not ever experienced that bad in Medellin. Trust you were deloused.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Anukris;2338718]Hello,

I'm visiting Medelln in July for a week. If someone can help me showing the ropes I would greatly appreciate that. I Would love to hangout with any of you guys, I would love to meet wolf or Tall man, loved their reviews and insights. I'm el Centro kind of a guy rather than el Poblado. My subscription expired and the credit card subscriptions are not working for some reason. I need to send it by mail.

Anyway, will greatly appreciate any suggestions on where to stay for a first timer to Medelln with limited Spanish skills (by I'm learning fast though). I'm planning to visit new life, roam around Vera Cruz, Raudal for a little bit, conejitas and barra ejectiva etc. , this is the vibe I like. I don't like the club scene that much. But I understand it is not that safe for first timers in el Centro. I was planning to book a room in Nutibara. Please suggest.

Thank you all.[/QUOTE]Well you are throwing lots of names around, gud for you, means you have been reading lots of postings. That is lots better than most who only ask questions, but are too lazy to read past postings. I wudnt book more than 1 night in the nutibarra hotel, then check out plaza botero hotel only half a block away behind the nutibarra and in the same block as the airport bus office. Ah conejitas brings back 7 years of memories, even now beer nearly half the price of barra ejectiva. If travelling solo don't go more than 1 block west, north or south conejitas after 9 pm. Vera cruz is as daytime show, the cops all leave there at 7 pm, I will let you guess why, 8 years ago there were 11 stripper bars within a 3 block radius of conejitas, now only 7, ah the gud old days. Nutibarra hotel has 2 atms inside, there is an ATM at the airport close by where you pickup your bag. Last Sept. 9500 pesos airport to bus station by nutibarra, say autopisto to bus driver at airport as some buses go round about route thru san diego to downtown.

[QUOTE=TyDown;2338676]What ever happened to "Ask Brofessor"?

He was a former US Marine and an Iraq Desert Storm Veteran. After the War he used to help other veterans who where suffering from PTSD, pretty cool guy. Any way, he made his way down to Colombia, where he got into Body Building and Fitness craz.

He hung out in South and Central America a couple years and won some Body Building Contests and seemed to be doing well for himself.

Then one day about 2 years ago, he posted a video from Colombia, and in this video the guy was scared shitless, he was running from somebody, on the way to the airport. That was the last video he ever posted.

Word on the street is that he was murdered in Colombia, other reports say he escaped and is in hiding. I don't know.[/QUOTE]Yes I remember seeing one of his very last posts a few years back, he was scared as shit as he knew his life was in danger. I am scared as one can be. I recall he is the type of guy that is over the top in your face kind of person, which we all know does not prolong your life anywhere in South America and especially in Colombia if you rub the person the wrong way.

Good to hear that he is alive. Word to self. Don't act like this fool did, stay under the radar and enjoy the chicas!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2338774]The moment anyone is within touching distance you have to be on guard, especially in any kind of sketchy location. I've seen drunk guys get pickpocketed in honky tonk settings (Bourbon Street, New Orleans, Boca Chica) by groups of girls who fondled their dicks while rifling their pockets. As soon as some girl puts her hand on your crotch out in public that should be like a siren going off.[/QUOTE]This reminds me an old post of mine from Bogota: Beware of Cosquilleros!
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?580-Bogota-Reports&p=1250156&viewfull=1#post1250156[/URL]

[QUOTE=TyDown;2338676]What ever happened to "Ask Brofessor"?...............[/QUOTE]Whatever happened to Cuba Dave?

I think he was released in Costa Rica. Since then he went dark. I assume his low profile is the result of having learned some lessons.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2339208]Whatever happened to Cuba Dave?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2339208]Whatever happened to Cuba Dave?[/QUOTE]Authorities in Costa Rica arrested David Strecker (Cuba Dave) on September 4, 2015. Strecker was charged with promoting sex tourism in Costa Rica, a charged based upon a new 2012 law making it illegal to promote sex tourism. While the government was preparing its case against Strecker, he was held in preventive detention for 14 months, as he was deemed to be a flight risk. Strecker maintained his innocence during the detention and through his trial, proclaiming himself to be a political prisoner. While he does not deny publishing images and articles about prostitution in Costa Rica, he claims that these articles did not actively promote sex tourism.

Strecker was unable to fund his own legal defense and, with the help of Dennis Eatmon, created a legal defense fund. According to his website [URL]CubaDave.com[/URL], Strecker was able to raise a total of $1500.00, and needed to raise an additional $1500.00 used to pay his legal expenses.

Conviction.

In trial David Strecker became the first person convicted under Costa Rica's new Sex Tourism Law. He was convicted by three judges in San Jos, Costa Rica by unanimous decision. The evidence presented in the trial was principally derived from Strecker's own articles, photos, and various YouTube videos in which he described his sexual exploits.

Strecker was sentenced to a five-year prison term for violating the 2012 law prohibiting the promotion of Costa Rica as a sexual tourism destination. Strecker was released on August 18,2017 after having his conviction dismissed by an appellate court.

On May 25th, 2017, an appellate court vacated the decision against David Strecker, citing fundamental flaws in Costa Rica's Law 9095 and serious flaws in the evidence presented in the case. The prosecution contested the decision. Mr. Strecker remained held in prison while awaiting the outcome of the prosecution's appeal.

Am Costa Rica reported on August 18,2017 that David Strecker has been acquitted and released.

[QUOTE=Boriman;2339363]Authorities in Costa Rica arrested David Strecker (Cuba Dave) on September 4, 2015. Strecker was charged with promoting sex tourism in Costa Rica, a charged based upon a new 2012 law making it illegal to promote sex tourism. While the government was preparing its case against Strecker, he was held in preventive detention for 14 months, as he was deemed to be a flight risk. Strecker maintained his innocence during the detention and through his trial, proclaiming himself to be a political prisoner. While he does not deny publishing images and articles about prostitution in Costa Rica, he claims that these articles did not actively promote sex tourism.

Strecker was unable to fund his own legal defense and, with the help of Dennis Eatmon, created a legal defense fund. According to his website [URL]CubaDave.com[/URL], Strecker was able to raise a total of $1500.00, and needed to raise an additional $1500.00 used to pay his legal expenses.

Conviction.

In trial David Strecker became the first person convicted under Costa Rica's new Sex Tourism Law. He was convicted by three judges in San Jos, Costa Rica by unanimous decision. The evidence presented in the trial was principally derived from Strecker's own articles, photos, and various YouTube videos in which he described his sexual exploits..[/QUOTE]Interesting, however wasn't he in the Dominican Republic for a long time prior to Costa Rica allegedly promoting the same activities?

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2339005]Yes I remember seeing one of his very last posts a few years back, he was scared as shit as he knew his life was in danger. I am scared as one can be. I recall he is the type of guy that is over the top in your face kind of person, which we all know does not prolong your life anywhere in South America and especially in Colombia if you rub the person the wrong way.

Good to hear that he is alive. Word to self. Don't act like this fool did, stay under the radar and enjoy the chicas!

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Thanks Tall Man, I found another video of him, from what I gather from the video comment section, apparently a Serbian gang was out to kill him, they did kill his brother in law but the gun jammed when they went for Brofessor, and he managed to escape. They saying he's in Brazil now.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejutq-cCjiY[/URL]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2339208]Whatever happened to Cuba Dave?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2339324]I think he was released in Costa Rica. Since then he went dark. I assume his low profile is the result of having learned some lessons.[/QUOTE]He has a facebook profile and apparently hangs our or mongers in Medellin. I only know that because I recognize his face from his promotional work in CR and that Facebook presents friend suggestions- People You May Know- and we have some friends in common.

[QUOTE=Bart1;2338985]Well you are throwing lots of names around, gud for you, means you have been reading lots of postings. That is lots better than most who only ask questions, but are too lazy to read past postings. I wudnt book more than 1 night in the nutibarra hotel, then check out plaza botero hotel only half a block away behind the nutibarra and in the same block as the airport bus office. Ah conejitas brings back 7 years of memories, even now beer nearly half the price of barra ejectiva. If travelling solo don't go more than 1 block west, north or south conejitas after 9 pm. Vera cruz is as daytime show, the cops all leave there at 7 pm, I will let you guess why, 8 years ago there were 11 stripper bars within a 3 block radius of conejitas, now only 7, ah the gud old days. Nutibarra hotel has 2 atms inside, there is an ATM at the airport close by where you pickup your bag. Last Sept. 9500 pesos airport to bus station by nutibarra, say autopisto to bus driver at airport as some buses go round about route thru san diego to downtown.[/QUOTE]Hello Bart,

Appreciate your response. Will do as you suggested.

Any one in Medellin during July 10-27?

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2339324]I think he was released in Costa Rica. Since then he went dark. I assume his low profile is the result of having learned some lessons.[/QUOTE]He was in Medellin for awhile after getting out of Costa Rica. Not sure if he's still there or if he's moved on.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2339208]Whatever happened to Cuba Dave?[/QUOTE]He is keeping his mongering activities to himself and living happily in Medellin.

Planning a trip to Colombia from Aug 3rd to 11th and I promise I'm going to report back. I just noticed there is this flower festival in Medellin during that time.

Does anyone know how it affects the mongering scene? Any change in stripclubs and casas during that time or it doesn't have a big impact on them? Is it better to go to Bogota for few days instead? I appreciate your responses.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2339368]Interesting, however wasn't he in the Dominican Republic for a long time prior to Costa Rica allegedly promoting the same activities?[/QUOTE]He was in the Dominican Republic for quite a while, promoting the same behavior. He then moved to Costa Rica and he continued his ways despite the fact that he was warned about it in the DR.

His Facebook account says that he now lives in Medellin, Antioquia. I am happy that it turned out well for him but I feel that if he used discretion that he could have avoided all this (this is why we use screen names on sites like ISG-for anonymity).

And what happened to Frank Casio? His way of putting " at the end of each sentence was a bit annoying to me, but his stories were interesting.

[QUOTE=Boriman;2339786]He was in the Dominican Republic for quite a while, promoting the same behavior. He then moved to Costa Rica and he continued his ways despite the fact that he was warned about it in the DR.

His Facebook account says that he now lives in Medellin, Antioquia. I am happy that it turned out well for him but I feel that if he used discretion that he could have avoided all this (this is why we use screen names on sites like ISG-for anonymity).[/QUOTE]Talked to him many times in the DR. Nice guy, but really naive. His downfall was that he enjoyed talking about this hobby too much!

[QUOTE=Combo;2339847]Talked to him many times in the DR. Nice guy, but really naive. His downfall was that he enjoyed talking about this hobby too much![/QUOTE]You are 100% right. I couldn't have said it better.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2339324]I think he was released in Costa Rica. Since then he went dark. I assume his low profile is the result of having learned some lessons.[/QUOTE]He did not go dark. He is in MDE!

El Mechanico.

I hope he keeps out of trouble.

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;2340042]He did not go dark. He is in MDE!

El Mechanico.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2339812]And what happened to Frank Casio? His way of putting " at the end of each sentence was a bit annoying to me, but his stories were interesting.[/QUOTE]I know for sure he sold his apartment in Mayorista, and he moved to Tampa. The word I have heard is he is dead. The man had health problems while he ran My Place. The last time I saw him was about 5 years ago while walking on the Mayo strip.

Years ago I always stayed at his place. I wrote many trip reports about his apartment, and the Mayo strip. He became a friend. One day I brought a Chica I found from the strip club Las Americas to a birthday party for one of his guests at his apartment. On my next trip there he told me that the Chica I brought to the party was now not allowed in his place. He told me he started a relationship with her, and it did not work out. I really liked the girl so I had to take her to a love motel. Of course that was the end of my stays at My Place.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2340417]One day I brought a Chica I found from the strip club Las Americas to a birthday party for one of his guests at his apartment. On my next trip there he told me that the Chica I brought to the party was now not allowed in his place. He told me he started a relationship with her, and it did not work out. [/QUOTE]It is amazing how it never gets through to many guys what hookers are for. Like trying to make a screwdriver out of a hammer and getting mad at it when it won't turn the screw the proper way.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2340450]It is amazing how it never gets through to many guys what hookers are for. Like trying to make a screwdriver out of a hammer and getting mad at it when it won't turn the screw the proper way.[/QUOTE]This is an excellent analogy.

[QUOTE=XBoyx;2339758]Planning a trip to Colombia from Aug 3rd to 11th and I promise I'm going to report back. I just noticed there is this flower festival in Medellin during that time.

Does anyone know how it affects the mongering scene? Any change in stripclubs and casas during that time or it doesn't have a big impact on them? Is it better to go to Bogota for few days instead? I appreciate your responses.[/QUOTE]During the time period you mentioned, the Hotels increase their rates due to all the tourists that come into town. The 7th of August is apparently the biggest day of the event. So depending on where you stay, it may cost more unless your staying in a dive in El Centro. As far as the Strip Clubs and Casa's being affected I don't know, perhaps the casa's during the day may be affected if some of the girls are attending one of the many activities in town.

Does anyone know the status of the tunnel construction? Hoping in late August it will be ready when I return to Medellin.

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2340761]Does anyone know the status of the tunnel construction? Hoping in late August it will be ready when I return to Medellin.[/QUOTE]A week ago they said it would open sometime in August, however the opening date has moved numerous times over the past year and a half so it will open when it opens!

[URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g297478-i6346-k12381036-Airport_Tunnel_Progress-Medellin_Antioquia_Department.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2340761]Does anyone know the status of the tunnel construction? Hoping in late August it will be ready when I return to Medellin.[/QUOTE]

Hello everyone,

All the information in these pages are invaluable and I would like to say my thanks! With that said, I have a few things on my mind on the jist? of it all. I know this is not a roll-call, but anyone planning for a trip in October? I am trying to go during the last week of that month of 5 days, this would be my feeler-trip, but considering the reports I've been reading and an unending lilido, I can get A LOT in hopping casa's day and night. We'll see.

This is my first post. I won't consider myself a newbie monger with over 4 years living in Amsterdam and traversing to Morocco on multiple occasions but Medellin would be the first South American destination on my list. Being a chino-american, mi hablo un pocito espanol (rip on my grammar its okay, idc LOL) as well as a whole bunch of Arabic, Dutch, and Turkish from my experiences abroad. Colombia would be a great test of my collection of filthy spanish I picked up while living in Tangier, that will be a story for another time somewhere else.

A bit more about myself: I am also doomed with a comically young looking baby-face, most people mistake me for half my age (I am in my Mid-30's), so please forgive me if I sound overtly paranoid in my observations below at least you can try to empathize?!

From everything that I have read about the location and how the putas work along with all the risks attached (Burundunga Related "Dates" of any of the social media platforms such as Tinder or just getting fucked in general at gunpoint) and just the general risk of using smartphones in the city (don't want to like dar papaya), it seems to me that one of the most definite ways to get laid relatively safely would be to:

1. Take exclusively Ubers as your main route of getting from point*A to point*be.

2. Stick to the numerous casa's the city has to offer.

Similar to the Tangier scene, I am familiar with how the pro / semi-pro scene work (at least in theory) for Medellin. Not saying Morocco is anymore safe than Colombia, but burundunga is not a local product in Africa. Not sure how many of ya'll saw the Vice documentary a few years back on the substance, but it can cause a person to basically go along with the perpetrator's demands including answering questions like where did you stash what at. I have read that some senior travelers of this region suggest to rent a cheaper airBnB to use as your stash-house for your bread and valuables, but if burundunga makes you go along with their demands what the is the point? I don't want to sound paranoid but if I can smash the level of putas en de casas as oppose to rolling the scopolamine-dice at Parque Lleras-type set-ups for a fraction of the cost (even the gringo cost at casa beats the shit out of the prices I be reading out of Club Gusto), it seems like a no brainier.

Below I have a few specific questions, maybe someone can shed some light:

1. Avoid Strip-clubs as the putas are equally as hot in the option above and you are less likely to get scammed there (2. If flying solo-dolo, would it be wise to hire a tour guide to say wait for you in the casa bar to make sure nothing shady happens (3. I can imagine Tinder dates drugging you with burundunga (Scopolamine / Hyoscine), but has anyone heard of cases with the putas from photoprepago and the likes drugging their tricks (4. Similar to the question above, anyone have extensive experience inviting the puta you met in a casa back to your crib later for an extended stay or TLN? If so, did shit go south?

I think what I am trying to get at is that I am wondering how safe the casa's are, I can imagine they won't fuck with you inside the rooms as far as trying to drug you and steal the money on you as that would be bad for business, their reputation, and I can't imagine it not be busted by the policia already. But I am wondering what happens the moment you try a take-out meal, and if the brothel owners really act and behavior like pimps. I know that this practice of take-outs out of casa's is quite the way to go in places like SJO Costa Rica. But through all the Medellin reports I've read so far has not really mention this being practiced here. So please shed some light. Any would be helpful.

One Last thing, would be nice to get some kind of ratio from all my fellow "Culito Banditos" hehe:

In the casa's, do the majority of the putas put out the culito para propina or its a hit / miss depending on the girl? I ask specifically as almost every other thread I've read thus far seems to point towards the fact that Sexo Por El Culo is pretty much a convention down there, like bread in the store. If that is not the case, please enlighten me.

I think I would like to give it a few months to settle before I go through it.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2340853][URL]https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g297478-i6346-k12381036-Airport_Tunnel_Progress-Medellin_Antioquia_Department.html[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FortuneWaffers;2340859]From everything that I have read about the location and how the putas work along with all the risks attached (Burundunga Related "Dates" of any of the social media platforms such as Tinder or just getting fucked in general at gunpoint) and just the general risk of using smartphones in the city (don't want to like dar papaya), it seems to me that one of the most definite ways to get laid relatively safely would be to:

1. Take exclusively Ubers as your main route of getting from point*A to point*be.

2. Stick to the numerous casa's the city has to offer.[/QUOTE]1. There's no reason to stick with Uber, especially if you just plan on visiting the casas. My experience with Uber is that they're excellent if you're traveling around anywhere between Sabaneta and the Parque Lleras area of El Poblado, and around the better areas of Laureles. They're a lot less dependable cruising around El Centro.

Personally, unless I'm out late, I stick with the Metro and buses. Why get bounced and jerked around in a taxi, if you can save 20 minutes and 12 k on the smooth riding Metro?

2. I suppose if you stick to a few of the casas; Tantra, Energy, New Life, Aiffe, Club Sexxy Amigas, and take a taxi directly to the door, the casas might be the safest option. There will be some debate. However, that stops being the case, IMO, when you take an unknown, untested girl from a casa to your place. You're probably still safe, but the possibility of a disappointing or more expensive session (above and beyond the take out charge) goes up.

[QUOTE]Similar to the Tangier scene, I am familiar with how the pro / semi-pro scene work (at least in theory) for Medellin. Not saying Morocco is anymore safe than Colombia, but burundunga is not a local product in Africa. Not sure how many of ya'll saw the Vice documentary a few years back on the substance, but it can cause a person to basically go along with the perpetrator's demands including answering questions like where did you stash what at. I have read that some senior travelers of this region suggest to rent a cheaper airBnB to use as your stash-house for your bread and valuables, but if burundunga makes you go along with their demands what the is the point? I don't want to sound paranoid but if I can smash the level of putas en de casas as oppose to rolling the scopolamine-dice at Parque Lleras-type set-ups for a fraction of the cost (even the gringo cost at casa beats the shit out of the prices I be reading out of Club Gusto), it seems like a no brainier.[/QUOTE]Calling anything posted by Vice a "documentary" is like calling anything from McDonald's "gourmet food. " Technically it might have a bit of the same ingredients, but the end result is flavor enhanced garbage.

If you avoid certain behavior, your risk of being drugged is extremely low.

1. Keep a low profile. If you like flashing rolls of cash, someone's going to notice.

2. Don't drink too much. Sipping a few beers is fine. Doing shots with strangers is risky. If you need to get drunk to have fun, they won't even need to drug you, but if they do, your chances of dying go up.

3. Nobody is your friend. Anyone pretending to be your friend is only interested in your money. They may know where the best girls are, but they also know how to get money from tourists.

4. Don't leave your food or drink unattended, if you decide to take an unknown girl out. In order for someone to drug you, they need an opportunity.

[QUOTE]Below I have a few specific questions, maybe someone can shed some light:

1. Avoid Strip-clubs as the putas are equally as hot in the option above and you are less likely to get scammed there (2. If flying solo-dolo, would it be wise to hire a tour guide to say wait for you in the casa bar to make sure nothing shady happens (3. I can imagine Tinder dates drugging you with burundunga (Scopolamine / Hyoscine), but has anyone heard of cases with the putas from photoprepago and the likes drugging their tricks (4. Similar to the question above, anyone have extensive experience inviting the puta you met in a casa back to your crib later for an extended stay or TLN? If so, did shit go south?[/QUOTE]1. I was not overly impressed with the Medellin strip clubs. There is a risk of being pickpocketed. They have nasty rooms, except for the better clubs. Being in a crowded bar with young, drunk, horny Colombian guys makes me nervous. It's also more expensive, if you're trying for the cheapest option.

2. If you hire a known and well-reviewed guide, probably. Although, if you're spending that much money, why go to the low end casas and strip clubs? Go to Fase Dos, La Isla and Loutron. Why pay a stranger to drink beer, while you're fucking?

3. Why go with Photoprepagos at all if you're paranoid about being drugged? It's not much different from Tinder. You're still getting an unknown person with minimal information and no way to verify them.

4. There are plenty of reports from guys who set up an outside date with a casa girl. The results are mixed. Some were happy, some weren't. I don't recall any reports of a takeout girl from a casa robbing anyone, although most guys wouldn't report it if it did happen.

There are also plenty of reports explaining how to go about it. You don't go to a casa, pick a girl and pay the casa to take her home. Some won't allow it, most of the rest will charge a high rate. You go, pick a girl, session with her, get her number, privately, and set up something for when she isn't working.

[QUOTE]I think what I am trying to get at is that I am wondering how safe the casa's are, I can imagine they won't fuck with you inside the rooms as far as trying to drug you and steal the money on you as that would be bad for business, their reputation, and I can't imagine it not be busted by the policia already. But I am wondering what happens the moment you try a take-out meal, and if the brothel owners really act and behavior like pimps. I know that this practice of take-outs out of casa's is quite the way to go in places like SJO Costa Rica. But through all the Medellin reports I've read so far has not really mention this being practiced here. So please shed some light. Any would be helpful.[/QUOTE]Most of the casas in Medellin aren't built around the take home model. Why have 10-15 rooms when only 3 of the ugliest girls are there because everyone else is out with customers?

They are in the business to make money. They make more money keeping the girls in house. If you're only looking for take out there are much better options.

There are plenty of escort agencies. They specialize in what you are looking for. You will pay more. However, you're not paying a taxi or Uber to sit around and wait for you, you're not paying a guide to sit around and wait for you, you're not paying a casa to do what an escort agency does and you will probably get a lower volume, better looking girl.

Of course, the best option for what you're looking for is Facebook. You're not paying extra to someone else to use their girl, you have a means to verify at least some of the girl's information and you know what you're getting. You might have to hit several casas to find the girl you want and there's no guarantee she'll be interested in anything outside of the casa. With Facebook, there might be some issues, but you'll be more likely to get what you want and probably won't pay any more than getting casa takeout.

[QUOTE]One Last thing, would be nice to get some kind of ratio from all my fellow "Culito Banditos" hehe:

In the casa's, do the majority of the putas put out the culito para propina or its a hit / miss depending on the girl? I ask specifically as almost every other thread I've read thus far seems to point towards the fact that Sexo Por El Culo is pretty much a convention down there, like bread in the store. If that is not the case, please enlighten me.[/QUOTE]Bread isn't a convention in Colombia. It's easy to find, but the everyday staple is the arepa. Anal sex isn't a convention in Colombia. Some will do it, for a price, some won't. A few will offer it without an extra charge. If you're stuck on casas, you will almost always have to request and pay for it.

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[QUOTE=FortuneWaffers;2340859]... it seems to me that one of the most definite ways to get laid relatively safely would be to:

1. Take exclusively Ubers as your main route of getting from point*A to point*be.

2. Stick to the numerous casa's the city has to offer.

(and much more)

[/QUOTE]I am not going to respond to all your questions point-by-point, but provide some general information.

You indicate you have been to SJO. IMO, Medellin is safer than San Jose. There are parts of both cities you should stay away from, and parts you are fairly safe day and night. You don't take the ladies out of the casas in Medellin. You may be able to get a lady's number and make arrangements to meet her when she isn't working.

Taxis and Ubers are both safe. It's usually easier to get a taxi late at night. Most Ubers will not pick you up where there are taxis gathered, you have to walk away from the taxi area.

The strip clubs are not scams. They do charge more than casas, but they have standard prices the same as casas. The ladies in many of the strip clubs are more attractive than in casas, and you can see what you are getting (physically) in a strip club. You don't need to hire a guide to stay with you in a casa or strip club, unless you are going downtown late at night. You will be hard pressed to find someone who will do it late at night.

As to being drugged. In almost every incident of drugging, the person was drunk and did foolish things. Forget about being drugged by someone blowing something in your face. They would have to almost blow it directly in you nostrils to affect you.

Almost every available lady in Medellin is out to make you happy and get paid for it. Very few want to rob you or harm you. Some may take something from your room or apartment, line a toiletry item or a phone charger or cable. Although it seldom happens to me, I consider that something they need rather than stealing for a profit.

I don't know where you have been reading about anal sex, but you should discard that as a source of information. Very few of the ladies will provide that.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2341196]The strip clubs are not scams. They do charge more than casas, but they have standard prices the same as casas.[/QUOTE]Casas have standard prices. Strip clubs do not. ALWAYS negotiate with a chick at a strip club. Do not take the first price you are given. Fase 2 may be an exception. But the ones in downtown Medellin and Santa Fe in Bogota, always negotiate.

In the strip club the room is actually a standard price and the chick keeps the balance. (This is spelled out in Fase 2 where you pay separately for the room and the girl.) In a casa, the chick gets a certain amount of that standard price. I think it is half. So if you pay 40K in a casa, the chick gets 20K. If you pay 60K in a strip club I think the room is 10K and the chick keeps 50K. In the strip club they are more independent contractors, whereas in the casas they are employees on commission.

Thank you everyone for taking time out of your day to answer these questions. A few remarks I have after reading your comments:

1. I am not a drinker what-so-ever, much much more of a fanatic for la crippa. Does anyone have experience scoring grade-A product? I have zero interest in trying to get any Miley-Cyrus out there just not a fan of anything that makes you alert and edgy, that is what work is for not your leisure at least my IMO and I am well aware of the dangers of associating myself with narco-traffico. What am talking about right here is more about the love of the mean mean green.

2. Facebook will be tricky as fuck for me for a few reasons: due to some freak-of-nature reasons, my face just doesn't age. Its a very very awkward situation to have in life, I am not touting my own horns here (if I could, I could proverbially saw off these "horns") but most people mistake me to be a teenager. I am also on the skinnier side of the BMI-scale, which really doesn't happen any of this. Obviously the moment I start speaking they can usually tell I am no fucking kid, but people constantly stare at me as if I have no life experience in general. I constantly get attention from younger females and most regular "ladies" (as oppose to the hoes) my age that are single with no prospects are quite frankly baggage-the, loose / worn-out, or fugly in general, which is just a curse with icing made of shit on top of it. I have zero interest any of that pedophilia-shit and anyone that is involved with it really needs to get their buttholes stomped-out in a Mexican prison followed by having their dicks sounded by medieval maces. I like my putas thick and slightly older like 25-29 range as they know how to fuck and take care of a dude. Can I get an Amen? So facebook and tinder in general, women usually think I am a horny teenager doing something he is not suppose to do.

3. Besides all that, I am also Chinese. I have noticed that there are seasoned vets on this board that are Chinese and has ventured into Medellin with great success, and I am sure that the "Chinese-monger" stereotype is no news to anyone on this board LOL. How often did you get called a chinito or chin-na or chino while you were there? I understand the term can be either affectionate or discriminatory, and unless you are fluent or can stay alert while doing crazy translations in your head, you just may never ever know. With that said, if a chica on the street calls me a chinito while waving and smiling, the intentions are fucking obvious. But if a dude that shit to me in, depending on the setting, how can someone even tell? I am sure that being Asian will stick out even more so than being white, but realistically, I don't know kung-fu (I wasn't brought up in the Shaolin temples, unfortunately), I am just another gringo from America just that a bit more tanned. So, my fellow Asian mongers that has traversed to this Disneyland of grande culo's, how often did ignorant people try to fuck with you or realistically we have just as much of a risk of being fucked with gringo or not? Race shouldn't have anything to do with any of this, but as I understand, Chino just means a yellow-face, we can be Uzbekistan and speak purely Russian and still be a Chino in Spanish speaking countries so I thought this would be a huge factor as I try to navigate these streets with my Spanglish / google translate.

4. Do the local police at least have a basic grasp of English? I don't expect it but I can imagine that if and when shit do go south like having your phone (consequently your translation apps) stolen, you got to explain to the police what is happened. I have heard a mixed bag of opinions about the local police. If you can bribe these people, where is the "line" of what you can and cannot get away with in this country? Sounds pretty fucking scary, again, trying to get a big picture of the place and I am not trying to over-generalize the reports that I have read while not actually spending them there.

Your time and answers are really appreciated and I will post a very extensive trip report once I do get back in one piece LOL.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2340417]I know for sure he sold his apartment in Mayorista, and he moved to Tampa. The word I have heard is he is dead. The man had health problems while he ran My Place. The last time I saw him was about 5 years ago while walking on the Mayo strip.

Years ago I always stayed at his place. I wrote many trip reports about his apartment, and the Mayo strip. He became a friend. One day I brought a Chica I found from the strip club Las Americas to a birthday party for one of his guests at his apartment. On my next trip there he told me that the Chica I brought to the party was now not allowed in his place. He told me he started a relationship with her, and it did not work out. I really liked the girl so I had to take her to a love motel. Of course that was the end of my stays at My Place.[/QUOTE]Yes taking another guys pussy is just not cool, be it an escort or regular gal. I had it happen to me years ago from what I thought was a good friend.

I know the saying "bros before hoes" but common decency always moves me to have quick discussion with my buddy and let him know that a particular girl is off limits or no problem and go have at it. This works both ways as I respect my Colombian buddies wishes too, I ask him if a certain girl is open and available for me, a few times over the past few years he ask that I do not party with a particular chica, and I don't. Some times I will ask him months later if anything has changed any most of the time he is good with it.

Never forget "bros before girls"!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2340761]Does anyone know the status of the tunnel construction? Hoping in late August it will be ready when I return to Medellin.[/QUOTE]The Uber driver that drove me to the airport said it would be mid to late August. That was a couple weeks ago.

I would add that going downtown to the casas or strip clubs alone at night is not recommended specially for a new person to Medellin. Not even some veterans will venture into downtown at night. As mentioned take a cab directly to the strip clubs at night and back. Culito is available but not guaranteed. When you get the parade at the casas just ask them if they give it up. So you don't waste your time. The meet and greet at the casas takes about 5 seconds per girl at the end you pick the girl so remember the names, they are not just hanging around, they usually disappear after they say hola. So ask quickly. Facebook is definitely the best way. It just takes some work in the beginning. Would recommend the gringo hotel that shall not be named for your first time. For a couple days at least. Great place to network with girls and other mongers.

[QUOTE=FortuneWaffers;2340859]Hello everyone,

All the information in these pages are invaluable and I would like to say my thanks! With that said, I have a few things on my mind on the jist? of it all. I know this is not a roll-call, but anyone planning for a trip in October? I am trying to go during the last week of that month of 5 days, this would be my feeler-trip, but considering the reports I've been reading and an unending lilido, I can get A LOT in hopping casa's day and night. We'll see..[/QUOTE]

Does anyone have any recommendations on where to get a good Nuru massage?

Pro tip for casa lineups, remember the names of the girls that you find attractive and forget the others. It's the only way to avoid forgetting them all by the time the lineup is done.

[QUOTE=Zhagolo52;2341455]I would add that going downtown to the casas or strip clubs alone at night is not recommended specially for a new person to Medellin. Not even some veterans will venture into downtown at night. As mentioned take a cab directly to the strip clubs at night and back. Culito is available but not guaranteed. When you get the parade at the casas just ask them if they give it up. So you don't waste your time. The meet and greet at the casas takes about 5 seconds per girl at the end you pick the girl so remember the names, they are not just hanging around, they usually disappear after they say hola. So ask quickly. Facebook is definitely the best way. It just takes some work in the beginning. Would recommend the gringo hotel that shall not be named for your first time. For a couple days at least. Great place to network with girls and other mongers..[/QUOTE]

Ubers are slower to arrive in Centro because there are fewer of them as brother jjbee mentioned. Some reasons it may be worth the wait for guys who don't know the city or haven't been to Colombia very often.

You can search for and enter a street address and / or location in the application so there is no need to communicate it to the driver help the driver find the location as I often have to with taxis.

You don't have to have cash or the right amount of cash, or small enough bills.

You are unlikely to have problems with taxi drivers getting into mischief but you are even less likely to have such problems with uber.

Ubers are almost always less expensive than taxis but taxis are very inexpensive to begin with.

On the other hand, when time is short ubers in Centro aren't a good option. You will find they often cancel when traffic is heavy, which is almost all the time in Centro. Sometimes two or three drivers in a row will cancel. The experience is much better in Poblado and Laureles, not so much up in Provenza at night where the traffic is as heavy as Centro.

[QUOTE=FortuneWaffers;2341258]Thank you everyone for taking time out of your day to answer these questions. A few remarks I have after reading your comments:

1. I am not a drinker what-so-ever, much much more of a fanatic for la crippa. Does anyone have experience scoring grade-A product? I have zero interest in trying to get any Miley-Cyrus out there just not a fan of anything that makes you alert and edgy, that is what work is for not your leisure at least my IMO and I am well aware of the dangers of associating myself with narco-traffico. What am talking about right here is more about the love of the mean mean green.

2. Facebook will be tricky as fuck for me for a few reasons: due to some freak-of-nature reasons, my face just doesn't age. Its a very very awkward situation to have in life, I am not touting my own horns here (if I could, I could proverbially saw off these "horns") but most people mistake me to be a teenager. I am also on the skinnier side of the BMI-scale, which really doesn't happen any of this. Obviously the moment I start speaking they can usually tell I am no fucking kid, but people constantly stare at me as if I have no life experience in general. I constantly get attention from younger females and most regular "ladies" (as oppose to the hoes) my age that are single with no prospects are quite frankly baggage-the, loose / worn-out, or fugly in general, which is just a curse with icing made of shit on top of it. I have zero interest any of that pedophilia-shit and anyone that is involved with it really needs to get their buttholes stomped-out in a Mexican prison followed by having their dicks sounded by medieval maces. I like my putas thick and slightly older like 25-29 range as they know how to fuck and take care of a dude. Can I get an Amen? So facebook and tinder in general, women usually think I am a horny teenager doing something he is not suppose to do..[/QUOTE]You get the requested amen from me!

In all my years and all my travels in Colombia I have never met a cop who has any level of English.

Need to recommend that even though you are not a drinker always be mindful of leaving any drink be it a soda or water unattended.

Crippa is available just about every where, just use common sense, I am not a smoker but my Colombian buddies make Snopp Dogg look like he is in kindergarten when it comes to smoking joints. If your at a club just very discretely ask the doorman or waiter if they have anything, my buddy usually pays 3 or 4 mil for a joint, this is about one US dollar give or take.

Yes you will get noticed with your Asian looks but even if they call you a name like chino or whatever it is all in love, they mean nothing disrespectful by this.

On the other hand I see how you very youngish looks can even be more of a distraction in the monger world, just go with the flow and use this "gift" to find what you want.

Have fun!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=FortuneWaffers;2341258]Thank you everyone for taking time out of your day to answer these questions. A few remarks I have after reading your comments:

1. I am not a drinker what-so-ever, much much more of a fanatic for la crippa. Does anyone have experience scoring grade-A product? I have zero interest in trying to get any Miley-Cyrus out there just not a fan of anything that makes you alert and edgy, that is what work is for not your leisure at least my IMO and I am well aware of the dangers of associating myself with narco-traffico. What am talking about right here is more about the love of the mean mean green.

2. Facebook will be tricky as fuck for me for a few reasons: due to some freak-of-nature reasons, my face just doesn't age. .[/QUOTE]1. Most of the women are into mota, so when you come around a corner and smell herbs, make friends with the ladies in the vicinity. I've found it's pretty easy to get a number or two, but I never grab any more than I'm willing to drop down the nearest gutter and I always make sure NOTHING contaminates my clothing / bags for return.

2. If you're calling 20-29 "older", you look young because you ARE young. You'll look old soon enough. You may even be able to grow a beard someday.

3. The Chinese are becoming very visible in South America- last time in MDE I was amazed at all the Chinese cars and dealerships. This is a good thing for you, because Chinese are now part of Medellin's power base. It's not nearly as uncommon to see a Chinese person in Medellin as it was even ten years ago.

4. Hit or miss at best. If you want to travel in another country, show the basic respect of learning a little of the language, especially if you want to get into some girl's pants. For most situations, the cops will be your best friends. They tend to be in force around the parks and Metro stations, and are also very professional. I've never been asked for a bribe in Colombia (though quite the opposite in Mexico)- not saying it doesn't happen, but it's not been my experience. If you get something stolen, kiss it goodbye.

I'll be frank with you- you sound like you're a dar papaya- an easy mark. I'd definitely go with someone with more experience, and stick to Parque Lleras.

[QUOTE=FortuneWaffers;2341258]So, my fellow Asian mongers that has traversed to this Disneyland of grande culo's, how often did ignorant people try to fuck with you or realistically we have just as much of a risk of being fucked with gringo or not? Race shouldn't have anything to do with any of this, but as I understand, Chino just means a yellow-face, we can be Uzbekistan and speak purely Russian and still be a Chino in Spanish speaking countries so I thought this would be a huge factor as I try to navigate these streets with my Spanglish / google translate.[/QUOTE]There will be some curiosity. People will try to guess if you are from Japan, Korean and so on. When I walked down Calle 56, I heard greetings from girls in Japanese, and Chinese. I met a couple of local business men who invited me to their table and offered to pay for everything when I was at La Isla, and I was worry about being kidnapped, LOL.

[QUOTE=FortuneWaffers;2341258]I am not a drinker what-so-ever, much much more of a fanatic for la crippa. Does anyone have experience scoring grade-A product?[/QUOTE]You better stick to California or Amsterdam. The rest of the world does not do grade A product.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2341590]I'll be frank with you- you sound like you're a dar papaya- an easy mark. I'd definitely go with someone with more experience, and stick to Parque Lleras.[/QUOTE]Not sure if this is a good advice but just don't pay USD 200. Search "Gusto" in this forum to read about potential traps.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2341596]You better stick to California or Amsterdam. The rest of the world does not do grade A product.[/QUOTE]Or you just need to know the right person. At least in Medellin. Which does me no good, because I have no interest in the stuff.

[QUOTE=FortuneWaffers;2341258]Thank you everyone for taking time out of your day to answer these questions. A few remarks I have after reading your comments:

1. I am not a drinker what-so-ever, much much more of a fanatic for la crippa. Does anyone have experience scoring grade-A product? I have zero interest in trying to get any Miley-Cyrus out there just not a fan of anything that makes you alert and edgy, that is what work is for not your leisure at least my IMO and I am well aware of the dangers of associating myself with narco-traffico. What am talking about right here is more about the love of the mean mean green. [/QUOTE]Seems like every girl in Medellin smokes the stuff. They all have a source. It's easy enough to get one of them to bring you some. Quality varies. I know where to find the best, but I have zero interest in it. No I'm not giving out contact info. If you're in Medellin while I'm there, I'll arrange an introduction.

[QUOTE]2. Facebook will be tricky as fuck for me for a few reasons: due to some freak-of-nature reasons, my face just doesn't age. Its a very very awkward situation to have in life, I am not touting my own horns here (if I could, I could proverbially saw off these "horns") but most people mistake me to be a teenager. I am also on the skinnier side of the BMI-scale, which really doesn't happen any of this. Obviously the moment I start speaking they can usually tell I am no fucking kid, but people constantly stare at me as if I have no life experience in general.[/QUOTE]What does that have to do with anything? Girls who work through Facebook are used to profiles with no clear photos. Most guys do something to obscure their identity. Besides, the girls aren't looking to hire you. They are there to get paid to fuck. Their selection process consists of:

1. Are you in Medellin?

2. How much will you pay me?

A few might pass someone for being too fat or too old. Many will pass on someone who is rude, but they're unlikely to pass on someone young and thin.

[QUOTE]3. Besides all that, I am also Chinese. I have noticed that there are seasoned vets on this board that are Chinese and has ventured into Medellin with great success, and I am sure that the "Chinese-monger" stereotype is no news to anyone on this board LOL. How often did you get called a chinito or chin-na or chino while you were there? I understand the term can be either affectionate or discriminatory, and unless you are fluent or can stay alert while doing crazy translations in your head, you just may never ever know. With that said, if a chica on the street calls me a chinito while waving and smiling, the intentions are fucking obvious. But if a dude that shit to me in, depending on the setting, how can someone even tell? I am sure that being Asian will stick out even more so than being white, but realistically, I don't know kung-fu (I wasn't brought up in the Shaolin temples, unfortunately), I am just another gringo from America just that a bit more tanned. So, my fellow Asian mongers that has traversed to this Disneyland of grande culo's, how often did ignorant people try to fuck with you or realistically we have just as much of a risk of being fucked with gringo or not? Race shouldn't have anything to do with any of this, but as I understand, Chino just means a yellow-face, we can be Uzbekistan and speak purely Russian and still be a Chino in Spanish speaking countries so I thought this would be a huge factor as I try to navigate these streets with my Spanglish / google translate.[/QUOTE]I guess smoking weed does cause paranoia.

Colombians are generally friendly. Paisas are considered to be friendlier than other Colombians. Unless you're being a dick, nobody is likely to bother you.

Being white or Asian doesn't really stick out in Colombia. Most people simply don't care. They'll know you're a tourist, regardless of the color of your skin.

[QUOTE]4. Do the local police at least have a basic grasp of English? I don't expect it but I can imagine that if and when shit do go south like having your phone (consequently your translation apps) stolen, you got to explain to the police what is happened. I have heard a mixed bag of opinions about the local police. If you can bribe these people, where is the "line" of what you can and cannot get away with in this country? Sounds pretty fucking scary, again, trying to get a big picture of the place and I am not trying to over-generalize the reports that I have read while not actually spending them there.[/QUOTE]Why would the police in Colombia speak English? I'm sure most know a few words, but if you're hoping to have a conversation with the police, you're out of luck.

Why do you need to bribe the police? Most of them have better things to do than try and get some gringo tourist to bribe them. If you're hoping to come to Colombia and "get away with" anything, stay the fuck out. You don't want to spend the rest of your life in a Colombian prison, which would probably be less than 6 months, and I don't want to read about another gringo doing something stupid.

[QUOTE]Your time and answers are really appreciated and I will post a very extensive trip report once I do get back in one piece LOL.[/QUOTE]I'm a skeptic. There are currently 1,137 people who we're still waiting on "extensive trip reports" from.

[QUOTE=WindAngel;2341595]There will be some curiosity. People will try to guess if you are from Japan, Korean and so on. When I walked down Calle 56, I heard greetings from girls in Japanese, and Chinese. I met a couple of local business men who invited me to their table and offered to pay for everything when I was at La Isla, and I was worry about being kidnapped, LOL.[/QUOTE]No. They think these are words of Chinese. 90% of people think that all Asians are Chinese due to their lack of education and the fact that majority of Latinos speak Spanish.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2341590] I'll be frank with you- you sound like you're a dar papaya- an easy mark. I'd definitely go with someone with more experience, and stick to Parque Lleras.[/QUOTE]Oh yea, I am very well aware that me myself and I is the papaya. That is really the reason why I am seeking the help of more experienced mongers like ya'll and I do appreciate it. In my original thread, I mentioned about hiring a guide to sit in the casa bars to wait for me while I explore Paisa-culito but I was somewhat assured that unless I go late at night to these places, there would not be a need to do so.

With that said, its well within my budget to hire a tour-guide if need be (doesn't even have to be bilingual, he just needs to protect this papaya), granted I plan on only hitting up casa's, strip clubs, and local-foro's well-review photoprepagos. I may not even explore the last option if I can try to set up a TLN with a casa-girl after her shift ends but realistically I rather get my nuts in all through the day then get a good night's sleep to recoup my chi as oppose to having to worry about waking up in a pool of ice with 60 minutes to get to a hospital (I have never read about organ harvesting but with my luck.).

And as far as clubbing goes, I have always found that its fucking retard form of a pass-time, I will have no interest in the "Gusto" scene, if I wanted to pay in the range of 200 dollars, there are far better destinations where I would be about to score grade-A bud (oh, Canada?

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2341590]2. If you're calling 20-29 "older", you look young because you ARE young. You'll look old soon enough. You may even be able to grow a beard someday.[/QUOTE](Un) Fortunately, I am in my mid-30's, if I was indeed 20-29, it wouldn't be such a plague (yet). I get carded still, usually ends with the dude saying some shit on the lines of: "oh, god bless".

[QUOTE=Zhagolo52;2341455]I would add that going downtown to the casas or strip clubs alone at night is not recommended specially for a new person to Medellin. Not even some veterans will venture into downtown at night. As mentioned take a cab directly to the strip clubs at night and back. Culito is available but not guaranteed. When you get the parade at the casas just ask them if they give it up. So you don't waste your time. The meet and greet at the casas takes about 5 seconds per girl at the end you pick the girl so remember the names, they are not just hanging around, they usually disappear after they say hola. So ask quickly. Facebook is definitely the best way. It just takes some work in the beginning. Would recommend the gringo hotel that shall not be named for your first time. For a couple days at least. Great place to network with girls and other mongers..[/QUOTE]Well I know how to say "I want Anal" in espanol, it would be a fuckin pain to have to say it to upwards of 15 putas at some these casas, would you recommend:

1. In all seriousness, cards against humanity should make a "Mongering" edition add-on pack for their game in every language, while we get to bring those cards along to trips to show the putas. I want a card that reads "I want to make sweet sweet love to your posterior"-In Proper Castellano. Meanwhile, can I say, bring flashcards?

2. Can I just ask the "attendee"? I mean unless they get to "test the product", so to say, I can't imagine that they made the hoes fill-out an application of their kinks. And even if they get the product-testing (O. O), are they suppose to have fucked all of them to know that the Hershey-express-lane is a toll to be paid for some of them?

3. Can I get some hints of this gringo-hotel? I haven't really read anything remotely close to a "Sportsmen Lodge" where gringo's gather in Medellin, unless you were referring to just the parque Lleras situation. I do keep reading about this fabled place called La Mansion, but I still haven't been able to pin-point wtf it actually is. I know there is the Loutron, there is a neighborhood called La Mansion, but again, no idea what it actually is or where it is. I imagine it be some kind of 3-star within El-Centro.

4. Lets say I try facebook, it seems like a lot of pre-plotting just to see if the shit-gates are permissible. Unless, all the hoes on Facebook with a last name of "Medellin" are indeed what I think they are, then seems logical that I can just psychopath-text a-hole bunch of them asking for it ideally with a throw-away account. Is that the case? Or the truth is somewhere in between?

[QUOTE=WindAngel;2341595]There will be some curiosity. People will try to guess if you are from Japan, Korean and so on. When I walked down Calle 56, I heard greetings from girls in Japanese, and Chinese. I met a couple of local business men who invited me to their table and offered to pay for everything when I was at La Isla, and I was worry about being kidnapped, LOL.[/QUOTE]Hi WindAngel,

Its really great to hear it from a fellow Asian monger. Much love.

That La Isla experience does sound really fucking awesome and sketchy at the same time, but realistically, those higher-end places I feel are just not worth it. I, myself, is very aware of the looks-to-performance ratio of the mongering-game at least from my experiences. The hotter the puta, usually the worst the pussy fucking stink and they lay there like their dead. From your experience in Medellin, can you concur? Or these Paisas are just so bad that the bitches at these higher-end places are just really worth all that extra precautionary measures and a higher ticket price?

I much rather fuck with the casa game, I see myself getting posted up in one for a good afternoon if there are several putas on my list, especially if they let me smoke weed inside. Can't imagine it be a fucking problem, I could be wrong. I imagine mongers doing lines of coke off a Colombiana Culo to be quite a regular thing in Medellin, like morning traffic.

So the girls on Calle 56 were actually saying Hi to you pro-actively? Did they look like prepagos? Or they were regular "ladies"? Seems like we are well received down there, did you try to hook up with a regular down there? Ideally, if one can secure a F. W. be with a local Paisa, it would be a pretty fucking dope thing to have but I have a week and it won't be another at least 6 months after my initial trip before I can come back again due to the number of paid-time-off days I am allotted a year.

[QUOTE=FortuneWaffers;2341258]Thank you everyone for taking time out of your day to answer these questions. A few remarks I have after reading your comments:

1. I am not a drinker what-so-ever, much much more of a fanatic for la crippa. Does anyone have experience scoring grade-A product? I have zero interest in trying to get any Miley-Cyrus out there just not a fan of anything that makes you alert and edgy, that is what work is for not your leisure at least my IMO and I am well aware of the dangers of associating myself with narco-traffico. What am talking about right here is more about the love of the mean mean green.[/QUOTE]As far as la crippa I have been told by an Expat with many years in MDE that the weed you are talking about is laced with some sort of drug. It is dirt cheep, and will get you off, but is not good like stuff from Gringo land. Never thought that would be true. My how times change.

[QUOTE=FortuneWaffers;2341679]That La Isla experience does sound really fucking awesome and sketchy at the same time, but realistically, those higher-enda places I feel are just not worth it. I, myself, is very aware of the looks-to-performance ratio of the mongering-game at least from my experiences. The hotter the puta, usually the worst the pussy fucking stink and they lay there like their dead. From your experience in Medellin, can you concur? Or these Paisas are just so bad that the bitches at these higher-end places are just really worth all that extra precautionary measures and a higher ticket price?

I much rather fuck with the casa game, I see myself getting posted up in one for a good afternoon if there are several putas on my list, especially if they let me smoke weed inside. Can't imagine it be a fucking problem, I could be wrong. I imagine mongers doing lines of coke off a Colombiana Culo to be quite a regular thing in Medellin, like morning traffic.

So the girls on Calle 56 were actually saying Hi to you pro-actively? Did they look like prepagos? Or they were regular "ladies"? Seems like we are well received down there, did you try to hook up with a regular down there? Ideally, if one can secure a F. W. be with a local Paisa, it would be a pretty fucking dope thing to have but I have a week and it won't be another at least 6 months after my initial trip before I can come back again due to the number of paid-time-off days I am allotted a year.[/QUOTE]Calle 56 is an area full of street girls. I stayed nearby for 3 nights at a board member's apartment for about $4 x / night so I roamed around these area by myself day and night for several days.

I had the best experience and meet the best looking girls at La Isla that's why I went back several times. It's the only place I got BBBJ and DFK without any discussion or bargaining.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2341651]No. They think these are words of Chinese. 90% of people think that all Asians are Chinese due to their lack of education and the fact that majority of Latinos speak Spanish.[/QUOTE]I was asked several times in different shops. They always guessed Japan as my nationality first.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2341629]I'm a skeptic. There are currently 1,137 people who we're still waiting on "extensive trip reports" from.[/QUOTE]Duly noted. There is nothing more I can say to make a difference. Will just have to wait and see. My plan is for end of October. I do appreciate the honest advice. I am certainly not trying to get away with anything in Colombia, just thought to ask about how to go about talking to the police if shit does go south. Really didn't warrant such a strong reaction from anyone.

[QUOTE=FortuneWaffers;2341679]I much rather fuck with the casa game, I see myself getting posted up in one for a good afternoon if there are several putas on my list, especially if they let me smoke weed inside. Can't imagine it be a fucking problem, I could be wrong. I imagine mongers doing lines of coke off a Colombiana Culo to be quite a regular thing in Medellin, like morning traffic.[/QUOTE]I'll give you credit. You have an active imagination.

Most of the casas that I'm aware of won't let you smoke. In one instance at Energy, after we were finished, the girl lit up, in front of the open windows. She then rushed out to get the room deoderizer to spray. Didn't matter. The cleaning staff still cussed her out. Then the girl tried to blame it on me.

If you decide you can just go into any casa and treat it like your own home, I expect you're going to spend a lot of time alone in your room.

[QUOTE=WindAngel;2341853]I was asked several times in different shops. They always guessed Japan as my nationality first.[/QUOTE]That is good to hear. Your experience seem to sound a lot more positive than other comments, I guess it really has to do with how you ingest it personally. As far as what Blue Touch was talking about, besides the curiosity, did low-class hooligans make slanted eye jokes of ching chon choi at you while going through El-centro? But I mean, I don't plan on cruising El-Centro for street hookers, although I imagine it be a fun experience sifting through the 3's and 4's to find those legendary big booty Venezuelan.

My standards are not very high, she don't got to be a model at all. I just want it to be a good laid.

That's not true. It's just a slang term for weed. I've
bought it many times and it was never laced. Wish it was, the quality is poor compared to here on that subject.

[QUOTE=Kelso1;2341688]As far as la crippa I have been told by an Expat with many years in MDE that the weed you are talking about is laced with some sort of drug. It is dirt cheep, and will get you off, but is not good like stuff from Gringo land. Never thought that would be true. My how times change.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PaisaPorFavor;2341945]That's not true. It's just a slang term for weed. I've
bought it many times and it was never laced. Wish it was, the quality is poor compared to here on that subject.[/QUOTE]Not sure if you had California, Dutch, Moroccan Bud / Hashish, but that's all I have to compare with.

But, How is the quality? Is it all outdoor grown?

I have also heard of stores in El-Centro selling Edibles too, I imagine that ingest-format would be most ideal for sub-par bud.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2341926]I'll give you credit. You have an active imagination.

Most of the casas that I'm aware of won't let you smoke. In one instance at Energy, after we were finished, the girl lit up, in front of the open windows. She then rushed out to get the room deoderizer to spray. Didn't matter. The cleaning staff still cussed her out. Then the girl tried to blame it on me.

If you decide you can just go into any casa and treat it like your own home, I expect you're going to spend a lot of time alone in your room.[/QUOTE]Guess I can vaporize it, got to put these Paisa's onto some stealthy shit. And yes, I have write and use my imagination quite a bit in my line of work. I am always plagued with my own imagination.

[QUOTE=FortuneWaffers;2341679]... I much rather fuck with the casa game, I see myself getting posted up in one for a good afternoon if there are several putas on my list, especially if they let me smoke weed inside. Can't imagine it be a fucking problem, I could be wrong. I imagine mongers doing lines of coke off a Colombiana Culo to be quite a regular thing in Medellin, like morning traffic...[/QUOTE]Wow, you need to develop a different mindset, or you are going to end up in a Medellin jail. I'm not being harsh, I'm being realistic. Medellin is a rather conservative place.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2341972]Wow, you need to develop a different mindset, or you are going to end up in a Medellin jail. I'm not being harsh, I'm being realistic. Medellin is a rather conservative place.[/QUOTE]Well considering how historically sex, drugs, and rock-and-roll kinda plays into one another, forgive me if I thought I can smoke some bud in a brothel. That was certainly how things were in Amsterdam, an equally conservation place if not way more. Bud is technically illegal and decriminalized in both countries. I certainly do not think this is harsh though. But Medellin really doesn't strike me as conservative. Because they go to church?

[QUOTE=PaisaPorFavor;2341945]That's not true. It's just a slang term for weed. I've
bought it many times and it was never laced. Wish it was, the quality is poor compared to here on that subject.[/QUOTE]Yes some of it is definitely laced with some strong shit, twice in the past year, I don't smoke often but will take a hit or two if my girl lite's up, well twice in the past year and only 3 or 4 hits and bamm I could not stand straight and my mind was somewhere else, my cool girl sat with me in my car for what I thought was 20 minutes but turned out to be about 5 hours, I was wasted and so now much more careful at what I take a hit from.

The Tall Man.

Any Casa's running two girl specials at the moment?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2341629]What does that have to do with anything? Girls who work through Facebook are used to profiles with no clear photos. Most guys do something to obscure their identity. Besides, the girls aren't looking to hire you. They are there to get paid to fuck. Their selection process consists of:

1. Are you in Medellin?

2. How much will you pay me?[/QUOTE]Can someone please clarify the whole "using facebook as a way to find girls" thing? You just start adding any girl from Medellin and whoever accepts, you ask them how much $ to bang them?

I will be coming to Colombian Immersion Spanish School for the 6 week course in a month. The housing, with a local family, will probably not be conducive to bringing in ladies for overnight companionship. I am not a partier and mostly prefer a relaxing massage and BBBJ with CIM. I am also a lot more interested in talent over looks. Is it safe to assume that is available in a safe and comfortable environment somewhere reasonably close?

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2342055]Can someone please clarify the whole "using facebook as a way to find girls" thing? You just start adding any girl from Medellin and whoever accepts, you ask them how much $ to bang them?[/QUOTE]They will have provactive photos and will respond to your messages. Once you find one like that you start adding her friends, who also dress provactively and respond to your messages.

Buyer beware though, there was a story a few months ago of a guy who met a chica on tinder and he wound up dead in the foothills. Some of the local gangs are starting to use social media to kidnap foreigners.

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2342091]They will have provactive photos and will respond to your messages. Once you find one like that you start adding her friends, who also dress provactively and respond to your messages.

Buyer beware though, there was a story a few months ago of a guy who met a chica on tinder and he wound up dead in the foothills. Some of the local gangs are starting to use social media to kidnap foreigners.[/QUOTE]Surprised it took them so long.

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2342055]Can someone please clarify the whole "using facebook as a way to find girls" thing? You just start adding any girl from Medellin and whoever accepts, you ask them how much $ to bang them?[/QUOTE]You can usually tell the ones who are P4P as they have pictures in their underwear in their public pictures. Once you find one just keep checking through their friends list and add any friends they have who look like hookers and repeat. Also if you find a monger on their friends list usually they'll have a lot of P4P girls as friends.

Right! There has been a sharp increase of taxis and UBERS getting targeted and pulled over by cops with foreigners in them just to check for drugs of any kind. If you get caught with anything you go directly to jail. So be very smart about it.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2341972]Wow, you need to develop a different mindset, or you are going to end up in a Medellin jail. I'm not being harsh, I'm being realistic. Medellin is a rather conservative place.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FortuneWaffers;2341976]Well considering how historically sex, drugs, and rock-and-roll kinda plays into one another, forgive me if I thought I can smoke some bud in a brothel. That was certainly how things were in Amsterdam, an equally conservation place if not way more. Bud is technically illegal and decriminalized in both countries. I certainly do not think this is harsh though. But Medellin really doesn't strike me as conservative. Because they go to church?[/QUOTE]This is the difference between getting an impression from the television vs getting an impression from experience.

Marijuana use is common, more so amongst the lower economic classes. Technically it's legal to have up to 25 grams in your possession for medical use. A few years ago the courts ruled that the 25 g limit was not a hard limit, so a person could probably get away with carrying 30 g or more, under the right circumstances.

However, when Duque took office he declared that possession was illegal, any quantity, medical marijuana prescription or not. Recently, the Supreme Court declared Duque's ruling unconstitutional, however it would appear people are still being arrested.

There are a few things you should be aware of. Unless you get a Colombian doctor to give you a prescription, it's illegal for you to possess or smoke marijuana in Colombia. Also, the Colombian legal system works differently than the US legal system. If you are arrested, you go to jail. Assuming the police don't immediately decide your arrest was a mistake, you then go to prison. You remain in prison until the prosecutors have collected all their evidence and they are ready to take you to trial. There is no time limit on this process. No bail, no lawyer to talk you out. Just you, enjoying the finer aspects of Colombian prison.

As a bonus, you'll probably learn a lot of Spanish.

What's the weather like in Medellin for mid August?

[QUOTE=Zhagolo52;2342266]Right! There has been a sharp increase of taxis and UBERS getting targeted and pulled over by cops with foreigners in them just to check for drugs of any kind. If you get caught with anything you go directly to jail. So be very smart about it.[/QUOTE]Drugs for personal use is decriminalized in Colombia. Personal use for weed equals up to 20 grams on you and 20 plants in your house. Personal use for cocaine is 1 gram.

Source: [URL]http://www.drugpolicy.org/news/2012/06/colombia-decriminalize-small-amounts-cocaine-and-marijuana-personal-use[/URL].

So, lets assume the laws are correct and the police are corrupt but only want bribes for offences that they can't get a case from the moment you arrive at their police headquarters. Maybe the police is looking for tourist with more than 1 g of miley realistically. Its okay if you don't smoke the bud and wouldn't know the amount associated with personal use, but any "recreational" user that has a need to carry more than 20 grams at a time, is not a "recreational" user, those are dealer's amount's where in most countries of these amounts is a felony.

But perhaps you knew someone that got busted at these amounts no matter what and went directly to jail? If that was the case, please enlighten me. Other than that, I don't see a reason unless someone snorts the shit in front of police, I think we Gucci.

[QUOTE=Trojan22;2342308]What's the weather like in Medellin for mid August?[/QUOTE]Weather pretty much the same year round mid 70's day upper 60 night. Just certain rainy periods, but I don't know when they are.

Although the cops seemed more interested in my Colombian amigas and whether they had drugs or stolen cell phones. I just stood there.

[QUOTE=Zhagolo52;2342266]Right! There has been a sharp increase of taxis and UBERS getting targeted and pulled over by cops with foreigners in them just to check for drugs of any kind. If you get caught with anything you go directly to jail. So be very smart about it.[/QUOTE]

It doesn't compare to California or Dutch weed. Lesser quality outdoor. It's really poor if you are use to California quality.

[QUOTE=FortuneWaffers;2341950]Not sure if you had California, Dutch, Moroccan Bud / Hashish, but that's all I have to compare with.

But, How is the quality? Is it all outdoor grown?

I have also heard of stores in El-Centro selling Edibles too, I imagine that ingest-format would be most ideal for sub-par bud.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2342287]
There are a few things you should be aware of. Unless you get a Colombian doctor to give you a prescription, it's illegal for you to possess or smoke marijuana in Colombia. Also, the Colombian legal system works differently than the US legal system. If you are arrested, you go to jail. Assuming the police don't immediately decide your arrest was a mistake, you then go to prison. You remain in prison until the prosecutors have collected all their evidence and they are ready to take you to trial. There is no time limit on this process. No bail, no lawyer to talk you out. Just you, enjoying the finer aspects of Colombian prison.
[/QUOTE]"but but but I'm American". No good?

[QUOTE]As a bonus, you'll probably learn a lot of Spanish.[/QUOTE]Not the romantic kind.

[QUOTE=FortuneWaffers;2341258]
1. I am not a drinker what-so-ever, much much more of a fanatic for la crippa. Does anyone have experience scoring grade-A product?[/QUOTE]Edibles is the way to go. If you google "edibles Bogota", the first hit you get is: [URL]https://hightimes.com/edibles/inside-colombias-booming-cannabis-edibles-scene/[/URL].

I got 2 sources from that article. El Gato (in Bogota) is very, very good.

Very difficult, maybe impossible, to score California quality indoor weed.

Colombia has a large, growing medical marijuana industry. They plan to export. But I couldn't find good quality weed.

I spoke with couple of stoner poker players in Bogota. They said it is hard or impossible to get good indoor.

I spoke with Donny from Medellin. He's an American living in Medellin La 70 area. He sells everything. He said his contact can get good indoor quality because he gets it from his Barrio. But prices will be very high. I think he said either 300 K COP or US $300 per ounce. Donny adds a large mark-up. Low quality weed, the stuff you normally get off the streets, is 20 K COP for a 7-10 gram bag. Horrible quality.

Never seen weed laced with anything in Colombia. Sounds like a retarded story. Of course, the writer only heard about it. Why would anyone add other drugs, which cost money, to a cheap bag of weed?

Drugs have been decriminalized. But they are still prohibited.

Cops would have to be a total dick to mess with the locals for weed. But once in Santa Fe, I saw 2 cops on the street stopping people (young people, never businessmen types) and searching them. One cop found a small bag of weed on one young guy on a moto-bike. The cop was writing him a ticket. The guy just rolled up his eyes. But, as a tourist, cops might / will harass you for a bribe if you have weed. IMO, 50 K COP will be the lowest bribe for weed.

Coke is more serious. A local I know said he spent a night in jail, until 3 PM the next day, for getting caught with coke.

You will not spend a long time in jail for just drug possession. But there will be hassles. Colombian justice system is easier / better than the US. Just pay a bribe. Or even if you go to jail for a long time, you just have to pay extra money to get better living standards. Several years ago after a TV documentary about the luxurious living accommodations at a prison, the officials closed it down. But I am assuming stuff like that still exists.

People write BS without facts. It's always, they heard about it.

[QUOTE=Zhagolo52;2342266]Right! There has been a sharp increase of taxis and UBERS getting targeted and pulled over by cops with foreigners in them just to check for drugs of any kind.[/QUOTE]And how would you know this?

Can you or the cops tell the difference between a Gringo and a White / Olive skinned Colombian?

[QUOTE=Zhagolo52;2342266]If you get caught with anything you go directly to jail.[/QUOTE]Incorrect. Many options are available.

I've seen cops randomly (I believe) stop taxis and cars. Not often though.

Most of the times, I've seen cops stop and frisk young people on the street walking in Santa Fe, Chapinero, and Vera Cruz. Never in Bogota's Zona T or Parque Lleras. I have never seen them stop and frisk business type people. I've never seen the cops stop and frisk females, but I was told that only female cops can search females. It has always been male cops doing random searches on young people.

Only time I've seen a business type person (a guy in a sports jacket) get into trouble was in La 70 at a bar with an outside sitting area. A very drunk guy (with his 2 passed friends and 1 sober one) was breaking up a bag of coke at a table right in front of the street. Unluckily for him, a cop was passing by. The cop yelled at him and took his bag. The drunk guy didn't seem worried. Then the manger came out and spoke with the cop. Then the manager and the drunk guy went into the bar. The drunk guy came back. Later the cop left. There is an easy solution. Wondering how much the bribe was.

On a side note, it's interesting that the young people being searched know the drill. They don't even open their mouth. Nothing about cops violating their constitutional rights. They spread and raise their arms. The cops always check their shoes and inside their baseball caps. If you dress like a gang banger, the cops will search you. I don't think they harass tourists, but hard to say since I'm not sure who the tourists are. Plus I believe the tourists don't dress like gang bangers.

Just as a personal note. I was stopped in an uber late at night after going to a night venue. It was around 1 am and the cops randomly waved the uber over. They asked me to get out and asked me if I had drugs. They proceeded to thoroughly search me meticulously and looked in the car. I am a 30-something olive skinned male who could pass for Colombian (until I open my mouth). Thankfully I didn't have anything but I got the impression I'd be in significant trouble if I did have something on me.

I would advise caution when traveling abroad in Colombia thinking you can roll around with even a joint on you. The horrors of the Colombian prison system should scare you enough not to be reckless in a foreign country. It's not worth it.

[QUOTE=Zhagolo52;2342266]Right! There has been a sharp increase of taxis and UBERS getting targeted and pulled over by cops with foreigners in them just to check for drugs of any kind. If you get caught with anything you go directly to jail. So be very smart about it.[/QUOTE]Lurker here.

You don't go to jail, they will pretend to search your wallet for drugs but in reality checking out how much money you have so you can pay them off. There has to be a reason why they searched you though in the first place. I'm not sure about Medellin, but uber is illegal in Bogota so drivers get harassed even though it is used all the time. They get around it by saying you are their friend, but you have to sit in the passenger seat for it to be believable and know the driver's name etc.

I'll be in Medellin from 8/25 - 9/3. This will be my 1st trip to MDE but been to Thailand, Peru and DR I'm fluent in Spanish so if there's anyone there at that time and want to link up hmu. In reading the reports and being to casa in DR and Peru I'm not a fan of them. I know I'll be spending a lot of time mining for some nuggets in the downtown area. I've established a nice network of FB girls so I plan on keeping busy with that along with the occasional strip club venture. My question is what hotel do yall recommend that's chica friendly centrally located from downtown to gringoville and not run down enough that the FB chicas are hesitant to roll through?

Been lurking reading as much as I can. Question for the vets here what hotel would you recommend that's located between Downtown and Gringoville that's chica friendly and nice enough to not scare the FB chicas. I plan to do some hunting in the downtown area while setting up citas with the FB chicas. Also for any board members in town around 8/25 - 9/3 let's link up. I'm fluent in Spanish so no language barriers.

[QUOTE=ThadMax;2342422]Just as a personal note. I was stopped in an uber late at night after going to a night venue. It was around 1 am and the cops randomly waved the uber over. They asked me to get out and asked me if I had drugs. They proceeded to thoroughly search me meticulously and looked in the car. I am a 30-something olive skinned male who could pass for Colombian (until I open my mouth). Thankfully I didn't have anything but I got the impression I'd be in significant trouble if I did have something on me.

I would advise caution when traveling abroad in Colombia thinking you can roll around with even a joint on you. The horrors of the Colombian prison system should scare you enough not to be reckless in a foreign country. It's not worth it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monger261;2342454]You don't go to jail, they will pretend to search your wallet for drugs but in reality checking out how much money you have so you can pay them off. [/QUOTE]I think you know nothing about Medellin, other than you know it is in Colombia.

[QUOTE=ThadMax;2342422]Just as a personal note. I was stopped in an uber late at night after going to a night venue. It was around 1 am and the cops randomly waved the uber over. They asked me to get out and asked me if I had drugs. They proceeded to thoroughly search me meticulously and looked in the car. I am a 30-something olive skinned male who could pass for Colombian (until I open my mouth). Thankfully I didn't have anything but I got the impression I'd be in significant trouble if I did have something on me.

I would advise caution when traveling abroad in Colombia thinking you can roll around with even a joint on you. The horrors of the Colombian prison system should scare you enough not to be reckless in a foreign country. It's not worth it.[/QUOTE]If you are returning from the girls la Isla club after midnight towards Poblado. There is quite a high likelihood that you will be stopped and searched. I don't think it matters much whether you are in a taxi or an Uber. I agree I think they are looking for drugs. In my case it was a quick search they did not appear very interested in anything else. I had all of one beer in me. I read this thread and was prepared. I had a brief jovial conversation with the officer in my broken Spanish and was on my way. Entire stop was maybe 2-3 mins.

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2340761]Does anyone know the status of the tunnel construction? Hoping in late August it will be ready when I return to Medellin.[/QUOTE]Went to MDE from Medellin on Monday and it wasn't working.

There are massage houses Tantra, or Energy that will fit the bill but not sure about CIM, found that is hard to get. There are lots on nice love motels all around and they are not very expensive. The casas are going to have rooms but the looks may be hit or miss.

[QUOTE=PilotPete;2342088]I will be coming to Colombian Immersion Spanish School for the 6 week course in a month. The housing, with a local family, will probably not be conducive to bringing in ladies for overnight companionship. I am not a partier and mostly prefer a relaxing massage and BBBJ with CIM. I am also a lot more interested in talent over looks. Is it safe to assume that is available in a safe and comfortable environment somewhere reasonably close?[/QUOTE]

Hi Gents,

I will go to Colombia next month for the very first time. I'm looking a low budget hotel, guestfriendly and close to the action. Where I have to stay, any recommendations for Medellin. Thanks.

Any place that sells CBD in Medellin?

[QUOTE=SteveOhh;2342751]Hi Gents,

I will go to Colombia next month for the very first time. I'm looking a low budget hotel, guestfriendly and close to the action. Where I have to stay, any recommendations for Medellin. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I am also going 3rd week of August for a couple months. I have been looking for a better grade places like nice AirBnB's but when I inquire about having guests I am being told they have strict rules against bringing in prostitutes and 24 HR doorman. All guest must register with ID.

Found some information on [URL]medellinGuru.com[/URL].

I have decided against Poblado due to all the hills and am considering Laureles. Maybe Terra Biohotel.

[QUOTE=PilotPete;2342088] Is it safe to assume that is available in a safe and comfortable environment somewhere reasonably close?[/QUOTE]Reasonably close?

[QUOTE=PilotPete;2342088]I will be coming to Colombian Immersion Spanish School for the 6 week course in a month. The housing, with a local family, will probably not be conducive to bringing in ladies for overnight companionship. I am not a partier and mostly prefer a relaxing massage and BBBJ with CIM. I am also a lot more interested in talent over looks. Is it safe to assume that is available in a safe and comfortable environment somewhere reasonably close?[/QUOTE]The school is located in Envigado. I assume your host family is located somewhere nearby. There isn't anything I'm aware of nearby. However, there might be some options in El Poblado, which you can reach by bus. Look for the yellow buses on Carrera 43 A (Avenida Poblado) that say Parque Poblado or CC San Diego in the window. Watch for the Panamericana store on the right. Just north of that is Rio Sur mall. It has a large bronze bull in front. Try OM Spa for men inside. You may not get BBBJ and CIM, but you might.

You might also search Facebook for Manuela Arroyave Tratamientos Esteticas. She used to do erotic massage. Now I believe she has a legit business, massage, makeup and such, but you never know.

Other than that, you'll probably have to search.

I will be there around the same time if you want to link up. I have still not found where I will be staying. I am considering close to downtown since the Casa map has a lot going on in that area. I also wanted to explore Mansion and most of the prominent clubs / casas members have mentioned. I feel I have read the last 100 pages of this thread, but while I know some of the neighborhood pocket names, it is difficult to understand without having been there before. I am extremely excited regardless. I have had a good amount of success using tinder in Colombia; many girls are receptive so I am hoping a few of those work out. I have been trying to pay for premium membership but seems that their payment system is down so I don't think I can receive PMs, but if anyone wants to meet up I'the like the same. Or if you have lodging recommendations, I would appreciate that. I will also be staying in Bogota for a few days after Medellin. Thanks for all the information so far, I would not have booked this trip if it was not for what I read from you all on this thread.

[QUOTE=TriFreak1;2342623]I'll be in Medellin from 8/25 - 9/3. This will be my 1st trip to MDE but been to Thailand, Peru and DR I'm fluent in Spanish so if there's anyone there at that time and want to link up hmu. In reading the reports and being to casa in DR and Peru I'm not a fan of them. I know I'll be spending a lot of time mining for some nuggets in the downtown area. I've established a nice network of FB girls so I plan on keeping busy with that along with the occasional strip club venture. My question is what hotel do yall recommend that's chica friendly centrally located from downtown to gringoville and not run down enough that the FB chicas are hesitant to roll through?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2331548]This has got me interested. Can you share a trip report or an experience with paisa where you have done this. What kind of girl was it, where did you meet her? And what were the benefits of "impressing the Medellin community"?[/QUOTE]The girls I did find on the street / café just being polite. Paisas can say yes, while porteñas don't pay a least attention towards you. And the paisas are far more elegant and exotic! BS As are worse than Sexprison or Europe!

On the many sites you will find good looking girls, that are authentic, they are pretty, elegant, charming and in the most cases don't try to trick you, 88% are just good persons.

While communicating before the event I tell her to dress elegantly, or / and visit a CC to buy her something nice.

Since I'm 46 and dress like a gentleman, which is a pain until 10 pm, while the heat abruptly diminish, like the brisas at café del Mar in Cartagena and bring a pretty elegant girl and we both speak Spanish it's easy to mingle, and sometimes they are my friends, while not, we just say that she is my teacher and share the same interest in culture. On couple, retired even invited us to lunch at the faboulos Botanic Garden.

These girls have to have an upp-middle class dialect, know some essential codes etc. A girl who was post-graduate impressed they guys in the bar at Metro, but she was kind of un -easy but we are still friends, she is marriage material, but spends 99% of her time working, teaching and specializing in odontology.

FB girls in this environment made me embarrassed.

I love Crispini and Pomodoro and the small French place Rincon Frances. To to fancy but good service food and welcomming staff.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2342733]Went to MDE from Medellin on Monday and it wasn't working.[/QUOTE]When I was in Medellin last month, my taxi driver said the plan was for August. But of course the date has already changed a few times. It was originally supposed to be open last year. Apparently they had water leaking into the tunnel.

So maybe August will be the date, but don't hold your breath. It's Colombia.

And I wonder if the taxi fare will be impacted. As the taxi driver said the cost of using the tunnel will be higher than the regular highway. And I would not expect them to eat the difference.

So many of you talk about FB groups, but no one provides the name of the groups. I went to Medellin last month and plan to go back. I checked out and played at the usual spots. Had a great time. I'd like to make some FB connections before I go back. Can somebody help me out here. Thanks.

[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2342223]You can usually tell the ones who are P4P as they have pictures in their underwear in their public pictures. Once you find one just keep checking through their friends list and add any friends they have who look like hookers and repeat. Also if you find a monger on their friends list usually they'll have a lot of P4P girls as friends.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2342689]I think you know nothing about Medellin, other than you know it is in Colombia.[/QUOTE]I've been there many times and didn't need anything but common sense but prefer Bogota. Been to that low key after hours spot next to bam bam bar where all the Luna lunera and night clubs girls go when they didn't make any money, same with Fahrenheit. Cops did try to shake me down when my driver took me to an ATM at my request, my driver was on the floor when I got back to the car with guns pointed at him. They claimed they thought he was robbing me after they searched me for drugs and looked through the crevices of my wallet. Showed them a police PBA card and made up that I work for the US embassy as security and they apologized and let me go. They were hoping to find drugs so I can pay them. If you are young and american partying at 4 am, I was not surprised that it happened, but if you're the avg aging gringo monger banging away on a pension (u?) then they would have no reason to try or you'd be at home sleeping after the metamucil.

I think you don't know anything besides mongering and can only live vicariously through it to be making pointless sad accusations.

[QUOTE=HydeTA;2342912]I will be there around the same time if you want to link up. I have still not found where I will be staying. I am considering close to downtown since the Casa map has a lot going on in that area. I also wanted to explore Mansion and most of the prominent clubs / casas members have mentioned. I feel I have read the last 100 pages of this thread, but while I know some of the neighborhood pocket names, it is difficult to understand without having been there before. I am extremely excited regardless. I have had a good amount of success using tinder in Colombia; many girls are receptive so I am hoping a few of those work out. I have been trying to pay for premium membership but seems that their payment system is down so I don't think I can receive PMs, but if anyone wants to meet up I'the like the same. Or if you have lodging recommendations, I would appreciate that. I will also be staying in Bogota for a few days after Medellin. Thanks for all the information so far, I would not have booked this trip if it was not for what I read from you all on this thread.[/QUOTE]Which date are you going specifically? I'm going Aug 10-21st so if you (or anyone else) is there during that time, let's definitely link up.

I also cannot PM because I can't register as a premium member on this site due to their system being down.

I've been in Medellin for about a week now.

Just by chance walking thru Parque Botero, I'm pretty sure I met the hottest, sexiest Venezuelan on the planet. LOL.

Pretty damn hot though.

Just arrived in Medellin.

Anyway, long story short, we've been hangin together for 3 days now.

She was like a wild stallion!

Broke her in. Now it's pure love, LOL.

Great chemistry, great sex, don't think she's ever met a nice guy before in her life.

She's never talked money, she knows I'm good for it, haha.

I'm good at it, only because I've been at the game a while.

I may even delay my return to Brasil for a couple days.

The rumor that only the fat Venies are in town are not true.

Enjoy guys!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2342873]The school is located in Envigado. ...[/QUOTE]There is also a Colombian Immersion Spanish School in Laureles.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2343073]I've been in Medellin for about a week now.

Just by chance walking thru Parque Botero, I'm pretty sure I met the hottest, sexiest Venezuelan on the planet. LOL.

Pretty damn hot though.

Just arrived in Medellin.

Anyway, long story short, we've been hangin together for 3 days now.

She was like a wild stallion!

Broke her in. Now it's pure love, LOL.

Great chemistry, great sex, don't think she's ever met a nice guy before in her life.

She's never talked money, she knows I'm good for it, haha.

I'm good at it, only because I've been at the game a while.

I may even delay my return to Brasil for a couple days.

The rumor that only the fat Venies are in town are not true.

Enjoy guys![/QUOTE]Pics or it didn't happen. LOL.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2343082]There is also a Colombian Immersion Spanish School in Laureles.[/QUOTE]Is it named "Colombia Immersion Spanish School?" If he's at that one, he will at least be closer to some options.

[QUOTE=TriFreak1;2342623]I'll be in Medellin from 8/25 - 9/3. This will be my 1st trip to MDE but been to Thailand, Peru and DR I'm fluent in Spanish so if there's anyone there at that time and want to link up hmu. In reading the reports and being to casa in DR and Peru I'm not a fan of them. I know I'll be spending a lot of time mining for some nuggets in the downtown area. I've established a nice network of FB girls so I plan on keeping busy with that along with the occasional strip club venture. My question is what hotel do yall recommend that's chica friendly centrally located from downtown to gringoville and not run down enough that the FB chicas are hesitant to roll through?[/QUOTE]I am arriving 20 August and will be start attending "Colombia Immersion Spanish School" at the Laureles Campus the next week. Unfortunately, there do not appear to be any lodging options near that campus so I'm booked at Terra BioHotel to start with. No idea on their guest policy, but I hope to find only 1 or 2 ladies that meet my needs. I may end up staying with a local family but am not comfortable starting out that way.

I am getting a lot of response from Colombia Cupid and Seeking. Maybe too much, LOL. Not sure how I'm going to handle that exactly. 60+ why / o but first trip of this kind.

It would be great to meet up. I mailed my $20 so hope to have PM privileges soon so I can give you my Whatsaap #.

[QUOTE=TyDown;2343089]Pics or it didn't happen. LOL.[/QUOTE]Not looking for your approval.

Too many goobs show pics to the girls.

I've been burned, no mas.

To my fellow Asian brothers who've never been to Colombia or fairly newbies and wonder how you guys stand out and whether any exotic factors are in your favor, I can chime in a little. I'm Chinese, born in Central America, and raised in California. I'm in my mid 30's and have been going to Colombia the past 7 years. I lost almost all my Spanish when I immigrated to the great US of A as a kid, but when I started to visit my home country after college I began to pick it up and eventually became fluent.

There are Asians everywhere in Latin America, especially in Panama and Peru. Colombia is no exception, but they are not as prominent. In Medellin, being Asian is not exactly an advantage unless you go to the barrios where no gringos venture out and you will definitely have an exotic factor (Manrique for example, la 45 is a sight to see at night! What makes you stand out is your ability to speak the language and doing it with class, charm, and confidence. Of course, that goes with any race or ethnicity. From my experience, lots of paisas have yellow fever LOL. Learn the language and your fun will increase 10 fold.

One joke I like to use that makes every paisa I've met laugh, is this 'soy un chino pirobo malparido gonorrea hijueputa carechimba' . It's just bunch of bad Colombian words put together and I say it with as much a paisa accent that I can muster.

I've had paisa girlfriends that I've taken long trips with (in and out of the country) and we have the best time imaginable. A pic below shows me hanging out with some cool Colombianas recently. I'll be in Medellin next week and probably staying in Colombia for a month or so. Any fellow, chill, and non-chichipato Asians or non-Asians want a guide to show you around, let me know. I don't mind as long as I'm available. I'll even buy first round. Reconnecting with my oldies takes lots of my time, but hunting for the fresh newbies takes even more and it's all worth it. BTW, I'm not a casa guy, so I wouldn't be able to help you in that regard. I'm more the wine, dine, lines and party till sun comes out type of guy LOL.

Note: Not sure what's wrong, but my photo couldn't upload and said error. Oh well, I'll try again.

[QUOTE=PilotPete;2343164]I am arriving 20 August and will be start attending "Colombia Immersion Spanish School" at the Laureles Campus the next week. Unfortunately, there do not appear to be any lodging options near that campus so I'm booked at Terra BioHotel to start with.[/QUOTE]There are airbnb apartments in that area that are guest friendly. I have stayed in four different apartments that are within walking distance to the school. They are on Cra 79, 81, 76a, and 75. Three are near calle 48 and the fourth is near calle 45. Just do a search on airbnb and move the map so the school is in the center of the map.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;2343293]To my fellow Asian brothers who've never been to Colombia or fairly newbies and wonder how you guys stand out and whether any exotic factors are in your favor, I can chime in a little. I'm Chinese, born in Central America, and raised in California. I'm in my mid 30's and have been going to Colombia the past 7 years. I lost almost all my Spanish when I immigrated to the great US of A as a kid, but when I started to visit my home country after college I began to pick it up and eventually became fluent.

There are Asians everywhere in Latin America, especially in Panama and Peru. Colombia is no exception, but they are not as prominent. In Medellin, being Asian is not exactly an advantage unless you go to the barrios where no gringos venture out and you will definitely have an exotic factor (Manrique for example, la 45 is a sight to see at night! What makes you stand out is your ability to speak the language and doing it with class, charm, and confidence. Of course, that goes with any race or ethnicity. From my experience, lots of paisas have yellow fever LOL. Learn the language and your fun will increase 10 fold.

One joke I like to use that makes every paisa I've met laugh, is this 'soy un chino pirobo malparido gonorrea hijueputa carechimba' . It's just bunch of bad Colombian words put together and I say it with as much a paisa accent that I can muster.

I've had paisa girlfriends that I've taken long trips with (in and out of the country) and we have the best time imaginable. A pic below shows me hanging out with some cool Colombianas recently. I'll be in Medellin next week and probably staying in Colombia for a month or so. Any fellow, chill, and non-chichipato Asians or non-Asians want a guide to show you around, let me know. I don't mind as long as I'm available. I'll even buy first round. Reconnecting with my oldies takes lots of my time, but hunting for the fresh newbies takes even more and it's all worth it. BTW, I'm not a casa guy, so I wouldn't be able to help you in that regard. I'm more the wine, dine, lines and party till sun comes out type of guy LOL.

Note: Not sure what's wrong, but my photo couldn't upload and said error. Oh well, I'll try again.[/QUOTE]Good report. Very informative. I may have to take you up on that offer. Will be in MDE in 2 weeks.

[QUOTE=PilotPete;2343164]I am arriving 20 August and will be start attending "Colombia Immersion Spanish School" at the Laureles Campus the next week. Unfortunately, there do not appear to be any lodging options near that campus so I'm booked at Terra BioHotel to start with. No idea on their guest policy, but I hope to find only 1 or 2 ladies that meet my needs. I may end up staying with a local family but am not comfortable starting out that way.

I am getting a lot of response from Colombia Cupid and Seeking. Maybe too much, LOL. Not sure how I'm going to handle that exactly. 60+ why / o but first trip of this kind.

It would be great to meet up. I mailed my $20 so hope to have PM privileges soon so I can give you my Whatsaap #.[/QUOTE]If I remember correctly, Terra Biohotel is just a few blocks north of Calle 33 and I seem to recall someone saying it wasn't chica friendly. However, there are several hotels along Calle 33 which should be chica friendly, along with the Kuboz love motel. The Luna Lunera strip club is also nearby.

Bags are packed and ready I'm heading to the airport in the morning. After a day layover in Mexico City, I head to Medellin Monday night.

Due to some confusion over who has the keys for my friend's apartment, I decided to not go there until 8 Monday morning. This left me with about 7 hours to kill. No problem. Send a message, arrange a pickup and have her take me straight to a motel where she can keep me happy until the morning.

Meanwhile, one of my favorites is trying to figure out how to get me to spend every day with her. As much as I enjoy her company, that's not going to happen. Another girl, who I expected to cancel (for a very good reason, which I would have understood), has let me know she's waiting for my call and expects to spend most of the day with me.

My Venezuelan is still working on getting to Medellin while I'm there and she seems optimistic about the chances. She's a hustler, in a good way. She's doing 3 different things, not related to P4P to support her family.

Last but not least, another favorite wants a trio. The last trio with her was full of problems. Weather and traffic, combined with us being unable to find a taxi, cut into our time. The other girl was inexperienced and that kept things from moving smoothly. Then I got a call telling me I was needed elsewhere.

This time, I have no other commitments, both have agreed to a minimum of 3 hours and I'm insisting on full girl girl interaction. The other girl's response to her was along the lines of "how great for you to eat me while he fucks you."

Of course something or other is bound to change. But I'll just roll with it and figure it out.

You have a point. The classic goober show "you sure are pretty, are you the girl in this photo?

[QUOTE=Balboa;2343203]Not looking for your approval.

Too many goobs show pics to the girls.

I've been burned, no mas.[/QUOTE]

Not into FB, because I'm a tech klutz and I don't need everyone knowing my business. I am talking to some chicas from CCupid and from Seeking. I would welcome screening tips. I'm looking for 1 or 2 "GFE" chicas over the age of 25 for several months. Thank you.

[QUOTE=PilotPete;2343458]Not into FB, because I'm a tech klutz and I don't need everyone knowing my business. I am talking to some chicas from CCupid and from Seeking. I would welcome screening tips. I'm looking for 1 or 2 "GFE" chicas over the age of 25 for several months. Thank you.[/QUOTE]All apps track you but you can minimize it. You still need to communicate with the girls, probably using WhatsApp which is owned by FB.

[QUOTE=PilotPete;2343458]Not into FB, because I'm a tech klutz and I don't need everyone knowing my business. I am talking to some chicas from CCupid and from Seeking. I would welcome screening tips. I'm looking for 1 or 2 "GFE" chicas over the age of 25 for several months. Thank you.[/QUOTE]If you're looking for several months and only 1 or 2 girls, why settle for someone who expects you to marry her and take her with you (CC), or someone who expects you to put her on the payroll (Seeking)?

Get to Medellin and get active. Get out, make connections, work on your Spanish, flirt a little and find yourself a girl. There's no reason to settle for someone who is willing to fake a GFE, when you can get a real GF.

I can't pay this site. Wish I could it won't accept my Credit card. I'd double to have full access. LOL. Anyways I've booked my first night at the Dix hotel and depending on how it goes and when there will decide to continue my stay at Dix or switch to another one. I kind of wan the be closer to downtown but still a nice enough hotel. Any suggestions guys? Looking to spend a few hours a day hunting for the gems in downtown area. Not a casa fan, plan on FB girls maybe get a number or two from girls in the strip clubs to meet up after they're off of work. Anyways that's the plan I'm sure it will go nothing like I expected.

[QUOTE=PilotPete;2343164]I am arriving 20 August and will be start attending "Colombia Immersion Spanish School" at the Laureles Campus the next week. Unfortunately, there do not appear to be any lodging options near that campus so I'm booked at Terra BioHotel to start with. No idea on their guest policy, but I hope to find only 1 or 2 ladies that meet my needs. I may end up staying with a local family but am not comfortable starting out that way.

I am getting a lot of response from Colombia Cupid and Seeking. Maybe too much, LOL. Not sure how I'm going to handle that exactly. 60+ why / o but first trip of this kind.

It would be great to meet up. I mailed my $20 so hope to have PM privileges soon so I can give you my Whatsaap #.[/QUOTE]

The location seems good, Hotel Egina Medellin, # 68 A Calle 47 #80, close to La 70 and Metro. Perhaps I will bring in a girl or order one to visit me.

Or do someone have hotel advice (s) for me, Laureles, not too far to walk to restaurants etc. Thank you!

[QUOTE=Balboa;2343203]Not looking for your approval.

Too many goobs show pics to the girls.

I've been burned, no mas.[/QUOTE]No worries, glad you had a good time.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2343400]If I remember correctly, Terra Biohotel is just a few blocks north of Calle 33 and I seem to recall someone saying it wasn't chica friendly. However, there are several hotels along Calle 33 which should be chica friendly, along with the Kuboz love motel. The Luna Lunera strip club is also nearby.[/QUOTE]I always thought the best spanish teacher is a medellin chica 24/7 with benefits.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;2343293]To my fellow Asian brothers who've never been to Colombia or fairly newbies and wonder how you guys stand out and whether any exotic factors are in your favor, I can chime in a little. I'm Chinese, born in Central America, and raised in California. I'm in my mid 30's and have been going to Colombia the past 7 years. I lost almost all my Spanish when I immigrated to the great US of A as a kid, but when I started to visit my home country after college I began to pick it up and eventually became fluent.

There are Asians everywhere in Latin America, especially in Panama and Peru. Colombia is no exception, but they are not as prominent. In Medellin, being Asian is not exactly an advantage unless you go to the barrios where no gringos venture out and you will definitely have an exotic factor (Manrique for example, la 45 is a sight to see at night! What makes you stand out is your ability to speak the language and doing it with class, charm, and confidence. Of course, that goes with any race or ethnicity. From my experience, lots of paisas have yellow fever LOL. Learn the language and your fun will increase 10 fold.

One joke I like to use that makes every paisa I've met laugh, is this 'soy un chino pirobo malparido gonorrea hijueputa carechimba' . It's just bunch of bad Colombian words put together and I say it with as much a paisa accent that I can muster..[/QUOTE]I appreciate the gesture. When I go, I would have 7 days ish, that's why I opt for casa's as oppose to trying to meeting a semi-pro that well inevitably take more time to nurse. From the club covers to the drinks, personally, I rather get down to the act right away. Thanks for the incites on being Asian in Latin America. I just don't want to stick out too much when I'm in El-centro hunting street hoes and casas.

Hi guys,

When we consider Casas, Stripclubs, Streetgirls which area is the best for mongering? In which area should we rent a apartment so we are close to them?

Best regards.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2343403]

Of course something or other is bound to change. But I'll just roll with it and figure it out.[/QUOTE]Best way to roll!

Experience talkin there. 👍🏻

It'es the classic conflict isn't it? The idea that a couple of keystrokes on a website will result in a satisfying long term experience. It takes more effort than that. There is truth in the cliche of getting out what you put in.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2343523]If you're looking for several months and only 1 or 2 girls, why settle for someone who expects you to marry her and take her with you (CC), or someone who expects you to put her on the payroll (Seeking)?

Get to Medellin and get active. Get out, make connections, work on your Spanish, flirt a little and find yourself a girl. There's no reason to settle for someone who is willing to fake a GFE, when you can get a real GF.[/QUOTE]

Visiting the city in next few weeks for the second time and wanted to ask if any new spot is recommended.

Visited Fase Dos, La Isla, New Life, and Loutron last time visited.

Any feedback will be appreciated!!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2343523]If you're looking for several months and only 1 or 2 girls, why settle for someone who expects you to marry her and take her with you (CC), or someone who expects you to put her on the payroll (Seeking)?

Get to Medellin and get active. Get out, make connections, work on your Spanish, flirt a little and find yourself a girl. There's no reason to settle for someone who is willing to fake a GFE, when you can get a real GF.[/QUOTE]Thank you for that advice! I'm a total noob. Was married 40 years, am 60 y / o and have no "game". CC and Seeking have been blowing up with candidates so it is confusing. I'm a senior member on the US site and have sent $ to get PM rights here. I really do appreciate the help. Hope to be able to PM soon.

Has anyone utilized these guys? [URL]https://theturmde.wixsite.com/medellin[/URL].

Or this one.

[URL]https://colombia.craigslist.org/trv/d/private-tours-in-medellin/6898688194.html?lang=en&cc=us[/URL]

Majority of the area in El Centro, including the casa area, would be safe if you are careful. You just have to deal w / the raw people who are not very educated or well-mannered. They will ask you if you eat dogs and mice, why you don't speak Chinese, why you say you are American, not Chinese, etc. You will get sick and tired of answering these questions after a few days. Even after you explain well and polite, they do not understand your answer and they will ask you when you are going back to China. They do these to Koreans, Vietnamese, Japanese etc. Plus, your effort will not enhance the educational level of Colombian people anyway. The best and most efficient way is to avoid the (most) people and just have sex with girls. Certainly you will meet some nice locals. In long term, however, the benefit of avoiding many people may outweigh its cost. If you want good conversations or date with cultured people, go to western Europe, Japan, or try in north America. As for the casas, ride taxi to Energy and New Life.

[QUOTE=FortuneWaffers;2343653]I appreciate the gesture. When I go, I would have 7 days ish, that's why I opt for casa's as oppose to trying to meeting a semi-pro that well inevitably take more time to nurse. From the club covers to the drinks, personally, I rather get down to the act right away. Thanks for the incites on being Asian in Latin America. I just don't want to stick out too much when I'm in El-centro hunting street hoes and casas.[/QUOTE]

My first maiden voyage to MDE, it was only for 5 days and I wished I had 5 weeks. But I still had time to wife up a girl that I connected well with and didn't bother with others. You just never know. 7 days is good amount of time to get the feel of the land and do some hunting on your own. Personally, I wouldn't want to take casa type girl out even on her day off. If she's a diamond on the rough, she's been run through and just imagine kissing a casa girl after her 10 HR shift, no thanks. I'm not saying that Facebook, Colombian Cupid, or Seeking girls are less hard core or fewer mileage, but I prefer to hang out with a girl that has a normal job and does this on the side. That's just me. How do I know if they have a normal job? I ask them out to lunch on their break or meet them up after work at their place of work. Anyways, good luck.

[QUOTE=FortuneWaffers;2343653]I appreciate the gesture. When I go, I would have 7 days ish, that's why I opt for casa's as oppose to trying to meeting a semi-pro that well inevitably take more time to nurse. From the club covers to the drinks, personally, I rather get down to the act right away. Thanks for the incites on being Asian in Latin America. I just don't want to stick out too much when I'm in El-centro hunting street hoes and casas.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;2343747]Personally, I wouldn't want to take casa type girl out even on her day off. If she's a diamond on the rough, she's been run through and just imagine kissing a casa girl after her 10 HR shift, no thanks....but I prefer to hang out with a girl that has a normal job and does this on the side. That's just me.[/QUOTE]But I have reported of chicks that work at normal jobs and they go work onsite at a casa on the side for a couple hours before going home, instead of the chick that you like who makes housecalls after work on the side. Same same. You are not getting anything different! Just have her tell you that she loves you and that you are the only one.

That is a truth bomb. I am here for it, even if it makes you the grinch that stole Christmas.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2343754]But I have reported of chicks that work at normal jobs and they go work onsite at a casa on the side for a couple hours before going home, instead of the chick that you like who makes housecalls after work on the side. Same same. You are not getting anything different! Just have her tell you that she loves you and that you are the only one.[/QUOTE]

I appreciate your input and I know you're a MDE vet. I respect you, but you don't know me and how I roll. Anyways, ISG is not a forum to measure our penis sizes anyways. One reason I don't post here much, I'll just stay away and let you guys be.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2343754]But I have reported of chicks that work at normal jobs and they go work onsite at a casa on the side for a couple hours before going home, instead of the chick that you like who makes housecalls after work on the side. Same same. You are not getting anything different! Just have her tell you that she loves you and that you are the only one.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;2343761]I appreciate your input and I know you're a MDE vet. I respect you, but you don't know me and how I roll. Anyways, ISG is not a forum to measure our penis sizes anyways. One reason I don't post here much, I'll just stay away and let you guys be.[/QUOTE]Sorry if you have taken it the wrong way, but I am speaking nothing of how you roll. I am speaking of how some casa girls roll. You mentioned not wanting to kiss them after a 10 hour shift. I was just bringing to people's attention that not all of them fit the bill that you have tried to assign to them. Some do the exact same thing as the chicks you said you prefer, albeit in a different location. Not measuring shit Just passing on information.

I understand you passing on information, which is all accurate because anything goes in Medellin. But I guess the way you put it made it seem I was talking BS myself. Anyways, no offense taken. Cheers to you and all others!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2343772]Sorry if you have taken it the wrong way, but I am speaking nothing of how you roll. I am speaking of how some casa girls roll. You mentioned not wanting to kiss them after a 10 hour shift. I was just bringing to people's attention that not all of them fit the bill that you have tried to assign to them. Some do the exact same thing as the chicks you said you prefer, albeit in a different location. Not measuring shit Just passing on information.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;2343773]I understand you passing on information, which is all accurate because anything goes in Medellin. But I guess the way you put it made it seem I was talking BS myself. Anyways, no offense taken. Cheers to you and all others![/QUOTE]No man. I always see you put out some great behind the scenes info that I could never come close to and will probably never get the chance to check out. The most I do is stay downtown for 2 or 3 days then I am off to the next place.

I appreciate you letting me know that I do contribute to the forum from time to time. Without ISG, I would not have known much about Medellin as I do now.

For some reason, the downtown scene just isn't for me. I've done the casa runs, the strip club joints, the mayorista scene, and even tried a street girl once in my 7 years traveling there LOL. But to me it's as much the environment (clean facilities) as the hotness of the girls. I rather pay more at Energy for same type of girl and get the nicer room and spacious bed. But to each his own. Great thing about Medellin is that there's something for everyone. Short or long term stay, budget or balling traveler, Spanish or no Spanish, all natural or fakes, quality or quantity. If you can't find it here, then I have no words to say.

I wished Medellin was no longer a secret LOL. Wait, let me finish by saying don't come to Medellin, it sucks here!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2343776]No man. I always see you put out some great behind the scenes info that I could never come close to and will probably never get the chance to check out. The most I do is stay downtown for 2 or 3 days then I am off to the next place.[/QUOTE]

You are already ahead of a lot of us brother. Not so many guys understand that the price of Energy, Tantra, etc. Is more about the facilities than about the girls.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;2343787]I appreciate you letting me know that I do contribute to the forum from time to time. Without ISG, I would not have known much about Medellin as I do now.

For some reason, the downtown scene just isn't for me. I've done the casa runs, the strip club joints, the mayorista scene, and even tried a street girl once in my 7 years traveling there LOL. But to me it's as much the environment (clean facilities) as the hotness of the girls. I rather pay more at Energy for same type of girl and get the nicer room and spacious bed. But to each his own. Great thing about Medellin is that there's something for everyone. Short or long term stay, budget or balling traveler, Spanish or no Spanish, all natural or fakes, quality or quantity. If you can't find it here, then I have no words to say.

I wished Medellin was no longer a secret LOL. Wait, let me finish by saying don't come to Medellin, it sucks here![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2343737]Majority of the area in El Centro, including the casa area, would be safe if you are careful. You just have to deal w / the raw people who are not very educated or well-mannered. They will ask you if you eat dogs and mice, why you don't speak Chinese, why you say you are American, not Chinese, etc. You will get sick and tired of answering these questions after a few days. Even after you explain well and polite, they do not understand your answer and they will ask you when you are going back to China. They do these to Koreans, Vietnamese, Japanese etc. Plus, your effort will not enhance the educational level of Colombian people anyway. The best and most efficient way is to avoid the (most) people and just have sex with girls. Certainly you will meet some nice locals. In long term, however, the benefit of avoiding many people may outweigh its cost. If you want good conversations or date with cultured people, go to western Europe, Japan, or try in north America. As for the casas, ride taxi to Energy and New Life.[/QUOTE]I agree. I don't plan on spending any unnecessary time on the street where I would get any kind of expose to the locals. I can't imagine it being an ordeal since uber / taxi are so cheap, at least in comparison to what I am used to in NYC. Maybe just a few conversations with the people at the hotel, the car service I will order, etc, but I have no intention to make friends with locals with 7 days on my calendar and a overwhelming chance of being ridiculed for having a yellow-face.

I heard, if you want, you can ride your motorcycle on the sidewalks on Medellin (from Youtube videos), I was wondering can a Chinito hire a motorbike service to carry his papaya-ass around El Raudal / La Veracuz to ride around looking for street hoes (can ya'll imagine)? Something about these street hoes just gets me going, being a city-dweller, I've never had the privilege to go hunting for SW's back home so Medellin would allow me to satisfy this fantasy.

Speaking of the Street hoe scene in the El Raudal / La Veracuz areas, how easy is it to find a street hoe in these areas for some impromtu-anal? Can I try to achieve this goal with under a few lines of broken Spanish? Like:

1. Hola!

2. Cuanto cuesta?

She's said a number.

3. I say: Yo Quiero sexo culo.

She either said si, para adicional or hell no, which is understandable in all languages LOL.

I am really not about wining and dining no hoe especially one from the streets, I just want to get into it already.

Anyone have any info on airbnb in Laureles that is guest friendly?

[QUOTE=Imsuperslug;2344104]Anyone have any info on airbnb in Laureles that is guest friendly?[/QUOTE]I went through this guy last time I was in Medellin, top notch. Info at 4:45 min into video. I would recommend watching entire video.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTIUV9eLsik[/URL]

[QUOTE=FortuneWaffers;2344086]I heard, if you want, you can ride your motorcycle on the sidewalks on Medellin (from Youtube videos),[/QUOTE]First step is to stop watching youtube videos!

[QUOTE=FortuneWaffers;2344086]Speaking of the Street hoe scene in the El Raudal / La Veracuz areas, how easy is it to find a street hoe in these areas for some impromtu-anal? Can I try to achieve this goal with under a few lines of broken Spanish? Like:

1. Hola!

2. Cuanto cuesta?

She's said a number.

3. I say: Yo Quiero sexo culo.[/QUOTE]Why would you ask a price before you tell them what they are giving you a price for? No need for the hola. Just walk up and say,
"Puedes hacer sexo anal? (Can you do anal sex?")
If she says yes, then say "Cuanto cobras? (How much do you charge?")
If she says no then ask "Conoces alguien que puede hacerlo? (Do you know someone that can do it?")

[QUOTE=FortuneWaffers;2344086]I agree. I don't plan on spending any unnecessary time on the street where I would get any kind of expose to the locals. I can't imagine it being an ordeal since uber / taxi are so cheap, at least in comparison to what I am used to in NYC. Maybe just a few conversations with the people at the hotel, the car service I will order, etc, but I have no intention to make friends with locals with 7 days on my calendar and a overwhelming chance of being ridiculed for having a yellow-face.

I heard, if you want, you can ride your motorcycle on the sidewalks on Medellin (from Youtube videos), I was wondering can a Chinito hire a motorbike service to carry his papaya-ass around El Raudal / La Veracuz to ride around looking for street hoes (can ya'll imagine)? Something about these street hoes just gets me going, being a city-dweller, I've never had the privilege to go hunting for SW's back home so Medellin would allow me to satisfy this fantasy..[/QUOTE]You better spend some time acclimate yourself to the El Centro environment if you have never experience it before and also because you don't speak the language. One thing you must do is to remember the layout of the streets so you don't get lost. There are some very rough looking areas like scenes from The Walking Dead. I used Hotel Nutibara, the Metro line as reference points. I called Uber in front of Hotel Nutibara too.

I think anal in Spanish is still anal. I see it on ads all the time.

[QUOTE=WindAngel;2344176]You better spend some time acclimate yourself to the El Centro environment if you have never experience it before and also because you don't speak the language. One thing you must do is to remember the layout of the streets so you don't get lost. There are some very rough looking areas like scenes from The Walking Dead. I used Hotel Nutibara, the Metro line as reference points. I called Uber in front of Hotel Nutibara too.

I think anal in Spanish is still anal. I see it on ads all the time.[/QUOTE]Oh yea, I have been trying to draw a mental map of the whole La Candalaria Area of Medellin, I plan on bringing a paper map (nothing to jack). Which ads are you referring to for anal? On photoprepagos?

As far as a similar experience, the closest thing I can equate downtown Medellin to is probably downtown Casa Blanca or Tangier:

1. Both places stared at Chinos like we from Mars.

2. Both Places ridden with WG and Poverty.

3. Both places with evidently rough areas where the above point is hosted in.

Since I can afford ubers / taxis through out the trip, I plan on moving in the shadows so to say. I want to find a good taxi-dude and latch onto him for the rest of my trip. I would imagine the few times that I am on the "street" is to eat lunch and the brief moments when I walk from the casa / love motel door to the tax or uber. Any Spanish I will manage to utter will be very to the point, like asking for her colon-highway, at least that's the level of Spanish I am at right. I am ready to bring some flash cards, I really don't care, just need to get my point across.

[QUOTE=PilotPete;2343164]I am arriving 20 August and will be start attending "Colombia Immersion Spanish School" at the Laureles Campus the next week. Unfortunately, there do not appear to be any lodging options near that campus so I'm booked at Terra BioHotel to start with. No idea on their guest policy, but I hope to find only 1 or 2 ladies that meet my needs. I may end up staying with a local family but am not comfortable starting out that way.

I am getting a lot of response from Colombia Cupid and Seeking. Maybe too much, LOL. Not sure how I'm going to handle that exactly. 60+ why / o but first trip of this kind.

It would be great to meet up. I mailed my $20 so hope to have PM privileges soon so I can give you my Whatsaap #.[/QUOTE]Yes, as JJbee62 pointed out, last time I was there, chica fee existed. Here's more detail.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2654-Medellin-Hotels-and-Rental-Apartments&p=2183538&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2183538.

[QUOTE=FortuneWaffers;2344358]Oh yea, I have been trying to draw a mental map of the whole La Candalaria Area of Medellin, I plan on bringing a paper map (nothing to jack). Which ads are you referring to for anal? On photoprepagos?

As far as a similar experience, the closest thing I can equate downtown Medellin to is probably downtown Casa Blanca or Tangier:

1. Both places stared at Chinos like we from Mars.

2. Both Places ridden with Hoes and Poverty.

3. Both places with evidently rough areas where the above point is hosted in.

Since I can afford ubers / taxis through out the trip, I plan on moving in the shadows so to say. I want to find a good taxi-dude and latch onto him for the rest of my trip. I would imagine the few times that I am on the "street" is to eat lunch and the brief moments when I walk from the casa / love motel door to the tax or uber. Any Spanish I will manage to utter will be very to the point, like asking for her colon-highway, at least that's the level of Spanish I am at right. I am ready to bring some flash cards, I really don't care, just need to get my point across.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a comedy, LOL.

[QUOTE=FortuneWaffers;2344358]2. Both Places ridden with Hoes and Poverty.

3. Both places with evidently rough areas where the above point is hosted in.[/QUOTE]You make it sound so bad. It is a thriving area during day time. There are too many people around to make it dangerous. I don't think you need to hire a taxi during daytime.

I have only been approached once by a street girl. I think she was curious and came up to me touching my face and kind of dancing around me.

[QUOTE=WindAngel;2344444]You make it sound so bad. It is a thriving area during day time. There are too many people around to make it dangerous. I don't think you need to hire a taxi during daytime.

I have only been approached once by a street girl. I think she was curious and came up to me touching my face and kind of dancing around me.[/QUOTE]I saw a stupid backpacker get robbed at knife point during the day time in Centro with loads of pedestrians around. It happened so quick that I don't think most people nearby even noticed.

If you have even a modicum of common sense, this likely won't happen to you.

There is an easier map solution. Keep a list of addresses you want to visit. Before you leave, spend some time on google maps and learn how street addresses are arranged. Calle = street and carrera = avenue more or less. Don't worry about north / south / east / west. Using the example of new life, (calle 56 #43-39) it is on calle 56 (streets are numbered in sequence so 56 is between 55 and 57), the #43 refers to carrera 43, the closest carrera to New Life, the #39 is your reference for how many doors from carrera 43. Once you get comfortable with that system you can find any street address by orienting yourself to any number you see on any building, as long as you know which street you are on. The same system is used in the borough of Queens in New York City by the way.

[QUOTE=FortuneWaffers;2344358]Oh yea, I have been trying to draw a mental map of the whole La Candalaria Area of Medellin, I plan on bringing a paper map (nothing to jack). Which ads are you referring to for anal? On photoprepagos?

As far as a similar experience, the closest thing I can equate downtown Medellin to is probably downtown Casa Blanca or Tangier:

1. Both places stared at Chinos like we from Mars.

2. Both Places ridden with WG and Poverty.

3. Both places with evidently rough areas where the above point is hosted in..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FortuneWaffers;2344358]Oh yea, I have been trying to draw a mental map of the whole La Candalaria Area of Medellin, I plan on bringing a paper map (nothing to jack). Which ads are you referring to for anal? On photoprepagos?

As far as a similar experience, the closest thing I can equate downtown Medellin to is probably downtown Casa Blanca or Tangier:

1. Both places stared at Chinos like we from Mars.

2. Both Places ridden with WG and Poverty.

3. Both places with evidently rough areas where the above point is hosted in.

Since I can afford ubers / taxis through out the trip, I plan on moving in the shadows so to say. I want to find a good taxi-dude and latch onto him for the rest of my trip. I would imagine the few times that I am on the "street" is to eat lunch and the brief moments when I walk from the casa / love motel door to the tax or uber. Any Spanish I will manage to utter will be very to the point, like asking for her colon-highway, at least that's the level of Spanish I am at right. I am ready to bring some flash cards, I really don't care, just need to get my point across.[/QUOTE]Looking at a map on the street in el centro is like having a flashing red light on your head, don't do it, wait until you are sitting down in a cafe.

[QUOTE=Bart1;2344569]Looking at a map on the street in el centro is like having a flashing red light on your head, don't do it, wait until you are sitting down in a cafe.[/QUOTE]Well yea, One can always run into, say, a Pharmacy or into the vicinity of some policia before whipping it out. Lets attach some common sense into what I am saying. Looking at a piece of paper is no different than keeping your head down texting anywhere, its a bad idea in any city where you don't know any of the surroundings.

[QUOTE=FortuneWaffers;2344358]Since I can afford ubers / taxis through out the trip, I plan on moving in the shadows so to say. I want to find a good taxi-dude and latch onto him for the rest of my trip. I would imagine the few times that I am on the "street" is to eat lunch and the brief moments when I walk from the casa / love motel door to the tax or uber. Any Spanish I will manage to utter will be very to the point, like asking for her colon-highway, at least that's the level of Spanish I am at right. I am ready to bring some flash cards, I really don't care, just need to get my point across.[/QUOTE]Based on your approach, your going to do just fine in Medellin! For your flash cards, perhaps some sketches of what your looking for specifically will help as well.

After spending all day Sunday walking around Mexico City, I reached MDE at 11:30 pm. Flight was unremarkable except for AeroMexico attempting to switch me out of my premium seat. They said there was a family they were trying to seat together. However, the 2 others in my row were solo travelers. They also said that I had to pay extra for the premium seat. After telling the woman I had paid (the only way I could have reserved a premium seat) and showing my receipt, she apologized.

Just a note to new international travelers:. Always carry a pen in your carry-on. There's going to be a form to fill out. It's also useful to have your hotel or apartment info saved on your phone.

I had arranged an airport pickup from a frequently reviewed girl in Medellin, once we were on the ground I sent a message and told her I'd be out soon. I was a bit optimistic.

First stop Immigration. Six kiosks open, 4 for residents, 2 for foreigners, 1 of which also handled flight crews. The line did not move quickly and the agents seemed to be asking more questions than I remembered. Once through, I grabbed my bag and headed for the Customs check. This line was also moving slower than I recall. I did take the opportunity to check the airport exchange rate: 2400 cop to $1.

Overall, from arrival until I was outside, 1 hour elapsed. Another 5 minutes for my girl to come around from the parking area and after tossing my things in the trunk and collecting a quick kiss, we were headed to. Why are the cops stopping us?

We had only driven 50 feet when they pulled us over. My driver assured me it was for a paperwork check for her and I was her boyfriend if asked. After 5 minutes with her paperwork they told her to get out of the car. After another 5 minutes a cop came around to my window and started asking me questions. He wanted to know how I knew her, etc. I dropped her name, let him know I had lived in Medellin for a year and when he asked if she was my neighbor, dropped the novia on him. A few minutes later we were finally on our way.

Later she showed me a report that they found 36 kilos of coke in a car in the airport parking lot, which she thought was the reason for the hassles.

To be continued.

Vika has a nice car and was dressed fetchingly in jeans and a bodysuit. The police check didn't rattle her in the least. Once back in the car she gave me a deep kiss before putting it in gear. Before we reached the tool booth her ample tits were out and in my hands. They returned to the playground after the toll and remained out until we pulled up to a Davivienda ATM.

After tucking myself back in and zipping up my pants (yes I did enjoy the ride), I was surprised to find the ATM allowed up to 2 million per transaction, with no fee. Back to the car and we were off to Motel Ibiza.

There had been some unnecessary confusion over when and where I could pick up the keys to my friend's apartment, so I had arranged to stay at the motel until morning. I'm also not keen on bringing girls to the apartment. My friend doesn't approve and I have other friends living in the same complex.

Back to the action. Once in the room, Vika headed to the bathroom and came out wearing some sexy lingerie. She also brought along her husband, which would have been awkward, except that's what she calls her Hitachi vibrator.

There was music, there was dancing, there was plenty of DFK and there was, without any prompting, plenty of BBBJ, with BLS and a few flicks of the tongue even lower while the jacuzzi was filling. After 30 minutes in the jacuzzi with more BBBJ and a quick rinse in the shower, we headed to the bed. DATY, BBBJ, DFK, CFS in multiple positions, help from the vibrator, lots of effort, and zero complaints took up the next 30 minutes and allowed me to complete my arrival.

When I returned to the bed after a quick clean up, I found her having sex with her husband and was encouraged to assist until she completed the hat trick. Cuddling, a few kisses, some light conversation then off to sleep. In the morning, she brought me to the apartment and spent some time making sure I'd remember her. I'm not going to argue over what constitutes GFE, but to any outside observer, it would have looked like GFE throughout.

Vika is older and has been in the game for a long time. She has a small frame, large, natural breasts, small hands and feet and no sign of baby damage. She's not vise tight, but just about right for me. An excellent performer in my opinion.

After a brief nap and a check of what I need to buy, I caught an Uber to Parque Lleras to check in with a friend. We talked about the changes in Medellin, the hassles and the things which remain the same. Afterwards I walked to the Metro and returned to Sabaneta for lunch, shopping and a return to the apartment.

To be continued.

Flashback to Sunday evening. I've just sat down on the plane, sent a message to Vika and am ready to power down when a buddy sends a name, Facebook link and a note that he wants me to see the girl while I'm in town. I send a friend request and reply that I'll make an effort.

My original plans for Monday evening were for rest and relaxation. My mind may want 2 girls a day, but my body isn't as enthusiastic. However, when a friend asks something of me, I try to come through. I both succeeded and failed this time.

The new girl, I'll call her Shelly, messaged me throughout the day. Not badgering, just taking her time to respond. We agreed on her picking me up via taxi at 7 pm. For old Mansion vets, you might know her by her tits, Sara and Kata.

Ten minutes before 7 she tells me she's on the way, which in Paisa means she'll be on the way in no more than 10 minutes, unless her phone rings, the dog barks or she decides to take more than 10 minutes. The taxi arrived at 7:55,5 minutes early in Paisa time, and took us to Motel Invegas. The taxi meter wasn't working and rather than argue, I paid the 40 k.

She's 29, with no kids, nice brown skin, well shaped small tits with chocolate drop nipples and an ass the ass lovers will appreciate. Her face looks like an older sister of a friend in Bogota, which is a good thing. No DFK, only CBJ and every position for CFS. There was good conversation, but I found the performance to be somewhat mechanical, a cross between a mechanical bull and the Energizer Bunny.

She did manage an almost deep throat, with some gagging, but mostly she approached it the same as the CFS, hard and fast. Unfortunately, I'm a slow and sensual kind of guy. She was at least a trooper. She tried and didn't give up until I raised the white flag. I was worried about injury if she kept trying to get my nut.

This was a classic YMMV situation. Her looks were great, as well as the body, although the ass was more than I like. She put on a reasonable act, but if a girl needs lube, it's almost always an act. Hard and fast guys, and ass worshippers will probably enjoy her, but I won't repeat.

After settling the motel bill (54 k for up to 6 hours), I had the taxi drop me at the Poblado metro station, which turned out to be a mistake. When I lived here, I'd climb the hill to Lleras on a hot day without breaking a sweat. Last night, I was ready to lay down with a passed out glue sniffer, if he had an extra pillow. Finally made it to Juancho Alitas for a late dinner and some people watching.

There were 2 obvious working girls with a gringo, just getting up to leave as I sat down and 2 more strolled by a few minutes later. We made eye contact, but I didn't show any interest and they moved along. Spotted 2 more down the street from (pic attached) and was interested in getting the red dress girl's number, but they had moved along before I finished.

I considered doing a full stroll of the park, just to see what's changed, but instead opted for a beer at The Beer Store before grabbing a taxi home.

Impressions: Not much has changed. Lots of construction, including Parque Poblado, which is completely closed off. I'm seeing more chunky girls than before, but there are still plenty of hot girls to keep me happy. Parque Lleras looks the same. Overall it hasn't changed much, although the hills seem to be steeper.

Does anyone know where / how to find high end models? I'm talking even higher end than la isla or fase dos. Those instagram models that charge 1 million and up. Anyone know anything about this?

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2344508]There is an easier map solution. Keep a list of addresses you want to visit. Before you leave, spend some time on google maps and learn how street addresses are arranged. Calle = street and carrera = avenue more or less. Don't worry about north / south / east / west. Using the example of new life, (calle 56 #43-39) it is on calle 56 (streets are numbered in sequence so 56 is between 55 and 57), the #43 refers to carrera 43, the closest carrera to New Life, the #39 is your reference for how many doors from carrera 43. Once you get comfortable with that system you can find any street address by orienting yourself to any number you see on any building, as long as you know which street you are on. The same system is used in the borough of Queens in New York City by the way.[/QUOTE]I'm from Brooklyn myself, and do plan on doing that. But on average, how common are taxi's in central? I can seriously factor in an extra 5 dollars between Casa's to get into a cab even if it will bring me a place that is 3 blocks away. That may seem like a huge waste but I certainly do not want to go walking through streets that I have never scene before, at least that's how it is back home where 3 blocks can be separated by scenes from The Walking Dead as WindAngel so vividly pointed out. Also with regards to getting lost, I rather roll the dice with a random taxi I find on the street than to linger around in a hood area trying to find my way out. Or there are zones that even taxis don't go?

[QUOTE=Combo;2344505]I saw a stupid backpacker get robbed at knife point during the day time in Centro with loads of pedestrians around. It happened so quick that I don't think most people nearby even noticed.

If you have even a modicum of common sense, this likely won't happen to you.[/QUOTE]What made him stupid? Was he standing in the street counting his cash?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2344661]Based on your approach, your going to do just fine in Medellin! For your flash cards, perhaps some sketches of what your looking for specifically will help as well.[/QUOTE]I plan on making these myself featuring a phallic object being inserted into orifices like a mouth or an ass. No plans to make one for the poon as I am sure that one is quite universal.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2344508]There is an easier map solution. Keep a list of addresses you want to visit. Before you leave, spend some time on google maps and learn how street addresses are arranged. Calle = street and carrera = avenue more or less. Don't worry about north / south / east / west. Using the example of new life, (calle 56 #43-39) it is on calle 56 (streets are numbered in sequence so 56 is between 55 and 57), the #43 refers to carrera 43, the closest carrera to New Life, the #39 is your reference for how many doors from carrera 43. Once you get comfortable with that system you can find any street address by orienting yourself to any number you see on any building, as long as you know which street you are on. The same system is used in the borough of Queens in New York City by the way.[/QUOTE]Just one minor correction on the addresses. In your example #43 refers to the the lower numbered street that it's between, Carrera 43 and 44.39 refers to the number of meters away from Carrera 43. You don't need a tape measure. The last number just gives an indication of whether it's closer to Carrera 43 or 44.

In El Centro it's pretty straightforward. Streets are mostly straight. When you get into the hills, especially in new areas, things get confusing.

Also, it's worth noting that there are no street signs. Street names are located on plaques on a corner building at many intersections. Some are green, some are bronze. Examples attached. The sign below is the other name for the street.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2344747]What made him stupid? Was he standing in the street counting his cash?[/QUOTE]My guess is he decided giving the robber what he wanted wasn't a good idea. Which may have well been the nice expensive smart phone he was walking around staring at.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2344684]Vika has a nice car and was dressed fetchingly in jeans and a bodysuit. The police check didn't rattle her in the least. Once back in the car she gave me a deep kiss before putting it in gear. Before we reached the tool booth her ample tits were out and in my hands. They returned to the playground after the toll and remained out until we pulled up to a Davivienda ATM.

After tucking myself back in and zipping up my pants (yes I did enjoy the ride), I was surprised to find the ATM allowed up to 2 million per transaction, with no fee. Back to the car and we were off to Motel Ibiza...


To be continued.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the details in your report. Good to know about the ATM's not having fees and what the airport rate is! I have a feeling I will go through the same thing as you while there. My mind will want 2 girls a day but my body will only be able to take on 1 haha.

[QUOTE=FortuneWaffers;2344742]I'm from Brooklyn myself, and do plan on doing that. But on average, how common are taxi's in central? I can seriously factor in an extra 5 dollars between Casa's to get into a cab even if it will bring me a place that is 3 blocks away. That may seem like a huge waste but I certainly do not want to go walking through streets that I have never scene before, at least that's how it is back home where 3 blocks can be separated by scenes from The Walking Dead as WindAngel so vividly pointed out. Also with regards to getting lost, I rather roll the dice with a random taxi I find on the street than to linger around in a hood area trying to find my way out. Or there are zones that even taxis don't go?[/QUOTE]Taxis are everywhere and will go anywhere you want in El Centro and all of them are metered with a minimum fare of 5,500 Pesos or less than $ 2 USD.

I'm a little confused about being charged this 3. 5% commission rate when I recently used my Chase Sapphire Preferred credit card that charges 0% foreign transaction. I've used this card many times over the years in Colombia. Only on a rare occasion I see this 3. 5% commission rate on the purchase and I made sure the transaction was in pesos. Both times this happened it was in a restaurant. Now, just recently this happened again while I was paying for an apartment rental which takes credit card transactions. This being over 2 million peso transaction, the 3. 5% fee is a stinger. I said wtf, but the lady ensured she put pesos and not American dollars. Can someone, anyone clarify this for me? Thanks!

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;2344854]I'm a little confused about being charged this 3. 5% commission rate when I recently used my Chase Sapphire Preferred credit card that charges 0% foreign transaction. I've used this card many times over the years in Colombia. Only on a rare occasion I see this 3. 5% commission rate on the purchase and I made sure the transaction was in pesos. Both times this happened it was in a restaurant. Now, just recently this happened again while I was paying for an apartment rental which takes credit card transactions. This being over 2 million peso transaction, the 3. 5% fee is a stinger. I said wtf, but the lady ensured she put pesos and not American dollars. Can someone, anyone clarify this for me? Thanks![/QUOTE]That's because most of the businesses in Colombia use credit card processors that give the option for the business to charge in US dollars (for US credit cards). If the business charges in US dollars, then the credit card processor charges a 3.5% commission. Then I assume the business doesn't get charged the normal 3% for the credit card use.

What happens is after the business presses the "send" button, the credit card processing machine will receive an option to charge either in US dollars or Colombian pesos. But those fuckers have US dollar as the "1" button and COP as the "2" button. US dollar is kind of set to default. Many servers will hit "1" or "next" without looking at the screen. Sometimes, the the machine will ask, how many payments; most people choose 1; this is why some of the servers press "1" without looking. I assume some of the small businesses encourage their employees to charge in US dollars to save money.

But most of the time, I believe the employee is just ignorant. Even after I tell them to charge me in COP, they sometimes press "1" and charge me in US dollar; then the idiot insist they charged me in COP. Hard to argue with stupidity.

To avoid the 3.5% rip-off, you need to tell them to charge you in COP. Even then, they sometimes don't understand how it works. You sometimes have to slowly tell and SHOW them to hit the "2" button.

Thanks for that information. Funny thing is the person I was doing the transaction with spoke English! I told her in both languages about the commission rate and showed the receipt. She looked dumbfounded, now I know why businesses would do that to get equal money. If it was just a dinner bill I wouldn't mind, the fact that it was a 2 million+ transaction felt like I was conned. Anyways, the good thing I met a Venezuelan from SA and she gave me everything I could have asked for. BB everything with CIM and swallow. Spent the night and gave her 200 mil plus taxi. Made me forget about any damn fees real quick LOL.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2344875]That's because most of the businesses in Colombia use credit card processors that give the option for the business to charge in US dollars (for US credit cards). If the business charges in US dollars, then the credit card processor charges a 3.5% commission. Then I assume the business doesn't get charged the normal 3% for the credit card use.

What happens is after the business presses the "send" button, the credit card processing machine will receive an option to charge either in US dollars or Colombian pesos. But those fuckers have US dollar as the "1" button and COP as the "2" button. US dollar is kind of set to default. Many servers will hit "1" or "next" without looking at the screen. Sometimes, the the machine will ask, how many payments; most people choose 1; this is why some of the servers press "1" without looking. I assume some of the small businesses encourage their employees to charge in US dollars to save money.

But most of the time, I believe the employee is just ignorant. Even after I tell them to charge me in COP, they sometimes press "1" and charge me in US dollar; then the idiot insist they charged me in COP. Hard to argue with stupidity.

To avoid the 3.5% rip-off, you need to tell them to charge you in COP. Even then, they sometimes don't understand how it works. You sometimes have to slowly tell and SHOW them to hit the "2" button.[/QUOTE]

I think we are saying the same thing, meters or doors. You won't need a tape measure if you use the sequence of buildings instead of the distance from the cross street. If you are looking for Cr. 43 #44-39 and you pass #43-41 and #43-43 then you know you went two buildings in the wrong direction, no measurements necessary. I'm trying to make it easy for newbies so they don't have to attract attention by pulling out maps or playing with smartphones out on the street. A folded list of addresses and the information in our posts are all even a first time visitor needs to find their way between spots without looking like a lost mark.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2344766]Just one minor correction on the addresses. In your example #43 refers to the the lower numbered street that it's between, Carrera 43 and 44.39 refers to the number of meters away from Carrera 43. You don't need a tape measure. The last number just gives an indication of whether it's closer to Carrera 43 or 44.

In El Centro it's pretty straightforward. Streets are mostly straight. When you get into the hills, especially in new areas, things get confusing.

Also, it's worth noting that there are no street signs. Street names are located on plaques on a corner building at many intersections. Some are green, some are bronze. Examples attached. The sign below is the other name for the street.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FortuneWaffers;2344742]I'm from Brooklyn myself, and do plan on doing that. But on average, how common are taxi's in central? I can seriously factor in an extra 5 dollars between Casa's to get into a cab even if it will bring me a place that is 3 blocks away. That may seem like a huge waste but I certainly do not want to go walking through streets that I have never scene before, at least that's how it is back home where 3 blocks can be separated by scenes from The Walking Dead as WindAngel so vividly pointed out. Also with regards to getting lost, I rather roll the dice with a random taxi I find on the street than to linger around in a hood area trying to find my way out. Or there are zones that even taxis don't go?[/QUOTE]There aren't any zones that you have any business going to where taxis won't go.

Study the map. If you taxi to New Life, Aiffe is practically in the same location, 1 block further north. Unless you plan on going after both places are closed, there's no problem walking between the 2 places. From Aiffe it's 2 blocks to Club Sexxy Amigas, again, not a problem to walk. On a good day that will give you 25-40 girls to choose from.

While taxis aren't hard to find, you'll spend more time flagging one down than it takes to walk.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2344898]I think we are saying the same thing, meters or doors. You won't need a tape measure if you use the sequence of buildings instead of the distance from the cross street. If you are looking for Cr. 43 #44-39 and you pass #43-41 and #43-43 then you know you went two buildings in the wrong direction, no measurements necessary. I'm trying to make it easy for newbies so they don't have to attract attention by pulling out maps or playing with smartphones out on the street. A folded list of addresses and the information in our posts are all even a first time visitor needs to find their way between spots without looking like a lost mark.[/QUOTE]Reading all these post about navigating to Casa's in El Centro either by Taxis or by walking makes me think someone should develop a specific Casa App for Medellin. Perhaps it already exists and it could easily function like Google Maps, and perhaps named Casa Maps Medellin. Somebody though would have to field test the App to confirm it worked properly, and I guess could stop by each Casa for a session while testing the App.

I am not a technical guy but I can tell you in Europe I type in a known venue on Goggle Maps and away I go by either foot or taxi. Should be able to do the same in Medellin I believe. Imagine strolling down a list of casa's in the App, hitting the one you want to go, and instantly having the route. The App could also display hours, etc. With information taken from the lists that already exist.

One type of encounter that usually goes wrong is a threesome. Most guys expect the typical porn 3 way, while most chicas treat it like a tag team wrestling match. It's seldom worth the effort.

However, I know a girl who only wants to do trios with me. Since she brings very low mileage friends along and will work with me to make it turn out right, I decided to accept.

Some problem with the metro almost messed things up, but I diverted them to a taxi and had them meet me at Motel Ibiza. It worked out great. They arrived about 3 minutes after me. I hopped in the front seat of their taxi and we pulled to the gate.

Something new at Ibiza, a security guard. Before we could enter, the guard first handed each girl a flyer about trafficking and checked their cedulas. Something to be aware of if you go there.

Once in the room, things started slowly. The lead girl is a seasoned veteran. Her friend was a wide eyed newbie. We just sat and chatted for 10 minutes while the jacuzzi was filling. Then, since they had both come directly from work, they headed for the shower, with me close behind.

They took some initiative and both began washing me, but I needed to prompt them to wash each other. This was accompanied by much giggling which turned into a water fight. By the time everyone finished rinsing the jacuzzi was full and we hopped in.

Water for the jacuzzis at Ibiza is controlled by the office. You need to call to have it turned on, then you adjust the temperature. When the water reaches a certain level it automatically shuts off. This is fine for 2 people. However, when you put in 3, it's going to overflow. Shut the water off when all the Jets are covered, then add water as needed.

In the jacuzzi I was able to set the tone, somewhat. Lead girl was rather boisterous, but her friend was doing everything right. Once she understood what I wanted she helped to rein the other one in.

Once on the bed things went well, except lead girl was still being playful instead of sensual. Still, it all worked out. There was plenty of interaction between the girls, plenty of attention to me and it ended up being an experience I'm happy with.

About the girls:

Lead girl is 25, 1 kid with handful and a half tits. She's put on a few pounds since I last saw her, but still has the curves. I'm not sure about the friend, but I believe 21 with no kids, barely a handful, but nicely shaped tits and about the same build. Big butts on both and both are all natural, minimal makeup types. Second girl kissed much better and did a better BBBJ, including underwater BLS and DT in the jacuzzi. She also rode better. Lead girl kept going into jackhammer mode. All BBBJ and all CFS. Everyone participated in DATY, but I didn't try for a girl-girl 69.

Gave 150 K to each and we spent about 2.5 hours.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2344508]There is an easier map solution. Keep a list of addresses you want to visit. Before you leave, spend some time on google maps and learn how street addresses are arranged. Calle = street and carrera = avenue more or less. Don't worry about north / south / east / west. Using the example of new life, (calle 56 #43-39) it is on calle 56 (streets are numbered in sequence so 56 is between 55 and 57), the #43 refers to carrera 43, the closest carrera to New Life, the #39 is your reference for how many doors from carrera 43. Once you get comfortable with that system you can find any street address by orienting yourself to any number you see on any building, as long as you know which street you are on. The same system is used in the borough of Queens in New York City by the way.[/QUOTE]Do all the casas double as "massage parlors" as well?

[QUOTE=Trojan22;2345237]Do all the casas double as "massage parlors" as well?[/QUOTE]No. You can get something resembling a massage at Energy, Tantra and maybe a few others. I suppose Jade Palace is still pretending to give massages as well.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2345283]No. You can get something resembling a massage at Energy, Tantra and maybe a few others. I suppose Jade Palace is still pretending to give massages as well.[/QUOTE]Can anyone recommend a place that actually does offer reasonably therapeutic massage? If I had believed I would live this long I might have been a bit less adventurous. As it is a CMT usually can do wonders for my aches.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2344898]I think we are saying the same thing, meters or doors. You won't need a tape measure if you use the sequence of buildings instead of the distance from the cross street. If you are looking for Cr. 43 #44-39 and you pass #43-41 and #43-43 then you know you went two buildings in the wrong direction, no measurements necessary. I'm trying to make it easy for newbies so they don't have to attract attention by pulling out maps or playing with smartphones out on the street. A folded list of addresses and the information in our posts are all even a first time visitor needs to find their way between spots without looking like a lost mark.[/QUOTE]Sometimes works this way. Sometimes not. Numbers can be 10 apart for buildings next door. If one happens to be a large building. But direction wise. Yep. If the numbers are going up. And you get to a higher number. Go back. Also. Odd numbers on one side of the street, even on the other.

Generally a block is around 100 meters. If doors are almost side by side the number will be 2 different. (as in the example above). But unless the buildings are very narrow some adjacent will be 4, 6, 8 or more apart.

Good idea to not pull out phones or maps etc. Stop at a restaurant or somewhere you can step inside to look at your desired address when you are at the right intersection. Then walk in the direction and on the side of the street. Odd or even numbers, going up or down. And take it from there.

Today is my break day. After 4 long sessions with 5 girls in 3 days, I'm running out of steam. Yesterday's was the best and worst all rolled into one.

I was scheduled to meet a former webcam model who worked for me at noon. However at 3 am my rheumatoid arthritis decided to join the party. I managed to put it back to bed by 9:30 and got ready for my day.

Next obstacle was Uber. I was trying to get to Oviedo mall to exchange some dollars (why is explained in another post) and drivers kept canceling. Finally a taxi pulled up and I was on my way. After completing the transaction I headed to the Metro. We were meeting at Prado station after she finished her classes.

I arrived 30 minutes early and found a shady spot to sit, wait and respond to some messages. Then some glue sniffer decided I needed to hear about his problems. Most will leave me alone after I wave them off, but this guy kept getting closer. Then he got belligerent, which got him a belligerent response (not recommended). I left him cussing me and went back up the stairs to the metro station.

After a metro employee told me I couldn't sit on the stairs because there were too many people, my mood began to deteriorate. Prado is probably the slowest station on the main trunk. There were very few people coming and going. Another beggar, who insisted on whispering got me riled up again. Eventually I chased him away. Now all I needed was for the girl to cancel.

Finally something went right. She showed up on time and dressed reasonably. We headed to the metro to begin the date. She started on the right foot by offering to pay for her own ticket. It's only 2550, but it's a nice gesture. We headed off to Parque Arvi, to sightseen and have lunch. It turned out she had never been, so she enjoyed our short hike.

The combo Metrocable, Metro and taxi to Motel Ibiza went smoothly. Things in the room went well, mostly. She still has a fantastic body and a sweet face. She was a little nervous. She's another that's not working often these days, plus we had the past boss-employee relationship. However, she loosened up a bit in the shower. Once in the jacuzzi things improved more.

We laughed and played around for quite some time before moving to the bed. Only CBJ and CFS, but we had fun. Probably a result of my medications combined with exhaustion made it difficult for me to finish. She wouldn't give up though and finally we worked our way through.

The sex wasn't as satisfying as I'd hoped. But the overall day I consider a success. I spent 6 hours with her, 3 of them in the motel and we both left happy.

The night finished on a good note. On Sunday, the Venezuelan told me she couldn't make it to Medellin. She didn't have the money to get there from Venezuela. Last night she told me she will be here Saturday.

Does anyone know where / how to find high end models? I'm talking even higher end than la Isla or Fase dos. Those Instagram models that charge 1 million and up. Anyone know anything about this?

[QUOTE=PilotPete;2345288]Can anyone recommend a place that actually does offer reasonably therapeutic massage? If I had believed I would live this long I might have been a bit less adventurous. As it is a CMT usually can do wonders for my aches.[/QUOTE]There are quite a few legitimate massage spas in Medellin. I haven't been to any, although I'm considering a visit. General cost is around 80 k.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2345021]One type of encounter that usually goes wrong is a threesome. Most guys expect the typical porn 3 way, while most chicas treat it like a tag team wrestling match. It's seldom worth the effort.[/QUOTE]For the record I am not a 3 some type of guy, the 7 or 8 3-some that I have experienced in my mongering life have been mediocre at best, just not worth the hassle of getting the stars to line up right, just never been seamless rather more like work until about 2 months back my Colombian buddy set up 3 chicas in Medellin and him and I to party in a motel room, well I ended up with the 3 of the chicas (yes my first 4-some) and probably about as much fun as can be had, looking back I think it was just timing and having the right girls for the job, jajajaja even with this I doubt that I will ever want to repeat, maybe I am in another space in time in my life and have changed in my desires and appetite.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=PilotPete;2345288]Can anyone recommend a place that actually does offer reasonably therapeutic massage? If I had believed I would live this long I might have been a bit less adventurous. As it is a CMT usually can do wonders for my aches.[/QUOTE]On my trips too MDE, I go to the OM Mens spa on the 4th floor in the back of Rio Sur Mall. It's right across from Oviedo Mall. Legit massage for 100 k, extra HJ for 70 k more. Often I just go for the massage.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2345614]For the record I am not a 3 some type of guy, the 7 or 8 3-some that I have experienced in my mongering life have been mediocre at best, just not worth the hassle of getting the stars to line up right, just never been seamless rather more like work until about 2 months back my Colombian buddy set up 3 chicas in Medellin and him and I to party in a motel room, well I ended up with the 3 of the chicas (yes my first 4-some) and probably about as much fun as can be had, looking back I think it was just timing and having the right girls for the job, jajajaja even with this I doubt that I will ever want to repeat, maybe I am in another space in time in my life and have changed in my desires and appetite.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]I've had one good threesome out of about 10 tries in Medellin. In contrast, I've had dozens of excellent threesomes and even foursomes in Brasil.

Just my experience, and while I love Colombia, Brasilian garotas just tend to be wilder in the sack.

[QUOTE=HuskerDude;2345627]On my trips too MDE, I go to the OM Mens spa on the 4th floor in the back of Rio Sur Mall. It's right across from Oviedo Mall. Legit massage for 100 k, extra HJ for 70 k more. Often I just go for the massage.[/QUOTE]Thank you, Sir. Relief from aches; leaving in a relaxed and happy state can often make my day.

[QUOTE=PilotPete;2345743]Thank you, Sir. Relief from aches; leaving in a relaxed and happy state can often make my day.[/QUOTE]This is the place you are looking for, a little pricier for medellin, but for a tourist would still seem value. Very upscale and nice and relaxing ecperince.

[QUOTE=Combo;2345674]I've had one good threesome out of about 10 tries in Medellin. In contrast, I've had dozens of excellent threesomes and even foursomes in Brasil.

Just my experience, and while I love Colombia, Brasilian garotas just tend to be wilder in the sack.[/QUOTE]Can't argue with that, my 2 mongering trips to Rio in the early 2000's opened my eyes about how much fun and uninhibited the Brazilian chicas are, I still have great memories and flashbacks of some of the cuties, and this is 18 year ago so either I have the mind of an elephant or they were truly that good, and in this case the later prevails!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2345924]This is the place you are looking for, a little pricier for medellin, but for a tourist would still seem value. Very upscale and nice and relaxing ecperince.[/QUOTE]I've gone to OM three times and two out of three, the massage was very good. They made it pretty obvious extras were available, but I was only there for the massage.

Have a few questions:

1. Does any of the casas in El Centro have clean rooms & if so which ones? Also, what's the price for an hour at these places and are you allowed 2 pops for that hourly price?

2. El Centro seems to be an early afternoon spot; are there any inexpensive night clubs in the mongering scene which are in fairly safe areas or is it only the expensive ones like Fase Dos & Luna Lunera? I'm seeing Playmates Bar Show on google maps & it has the most reviews, it is opened until 2 am, is this place safe to go at night?

Is there a list of casas in laureles anyone is aware of. Any recommendations of casas in Laureles?

Thanks much!

[QUOTE=RudeBwoy100;2346085]Have a few questions:

1. Does any of the casas in El Centro have clean rooms & if so which ones? Also, what's the price for an hour at these places and are you allowed 2 pops for that hourly price?

2. El Centro seems to be an early afternoon spot; are there any inexpensive night clubs in the mongering scene which are in fairly safe areas or is it only the expensive ones like Fase Dos & Luna Lunera? I'm seeing Playmates Bar Show on google maps & it has the most reviews, it is opened until 2 am, is this place safe to go at night?[/QUOTE]1. New Life rooms are clean.

2. What is a "fairly safe area?" Unless you prefer to walk around the block instead of going inside the club, the inside of the club is a fairly safe area. Playmates Bar Show is named "Conejitas."

I was down to Club Maracaibo and Barra Ejecutiva last night. Had my Uber drop me off a block away to avoid hassles with taxi drivers. Walked up and waited outside for 20 minutes for another monger. Nobody bothered me. There was even a young child, whose parents are street vendors, playing on the sidewalk.

Might as well review them too. Just did a walk through of Barra Ejecutiva before sitting in Maracaibo. There were a couple who were doable in my opinion. Maracaibo had more girls and a few were very nice. There were also several who were way out of my weight class. Not very crowded in either club.

Fantasias reopened as Zaza. Card says new administration, but it looks like same girls, same beaded curtain, remodeled facilities, 5 mil presentation fee.

[QUOTE=Methius;2346290]Fantasias reopened as Zaza. Card says new administration, but it looks like same girls, same beaded curtain, remodeled facilities, 5 mil presentation fee.[/QUOTE]And they don't look like the girl on the advertisement LOL. 5 mil damn. I hope this presentation fee increase isn't a trend. I've never been quoted more than 2 mil but maybe there are more people going to these places and just bouncing from one spot to the next without a selection.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2346299]And they don't look like the girl on the advertisement LOL. 5 mil damn...[/QUOTE]Is $1. 50.

Zaza / Fantasia really needed a makeover. The session rooms were starting to get to unacceptably cruddy level. There was a good looking popular girl there with a big natural ass who uses the name Paloma. Maybe new management means the kooky desk lady who spent so much time talking to her family on the phone may be out of the picture. That wouldn't be so bad. The beaded curtain is their trademark and helps guys find the place. The doorbell mentioned on the card is something new.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2346299]And they don't look like the girl on the advertisement LOL. 5 mil damn. I hope this presentation fee increase isn't a trend. I've never been quoted more than 2 mil but maybe there are more people going to these places and just bouncing from one spot to the next without a selection.[/QUOTE]

Let me begin by saying, I haven't tried any of these places yet. Some are obvious casas that claim to perform real massages. At least 1 is (as reported by others) a legitimate spa that offers happy endings. The funny thing is, a few years ago, that place specifically stated on their website that no sexual services were provided. I'll start with that one:

[B]Poblado [/B]

[B]OM Spa for Men[/B]

Carrera 43 A #6 Sur-23 Rio Sur shopping center.

Price 100 k? For 60 min + 70 k for he?

[URL]http://omspaformen.net[/URL]

[B] Absolute Spa for Men [/B]

Carrera 35# 8 a-72.

Price 70 k for 30 min, 90 k for 60 min.

[URL]http://www.absolutespa.co/[/URL]

[B]Jade Palace[/B]

Carrera 38 #10-09 suite 202 (Enter via Carrera 38).

Price 80 k for 30 min, 100 k for 60 min, 160 k for nude 60 min.

[URL]http://jadespapoblado.co/[/URL]

[B]Laureles[/B]

[B]Sala de Masajes Eroticos [/B]

Carrera 66 B #33-07.

Prices?

[B]Casa Blue Room[/B]

Calle 33 #78-63.

Prices?

[URL]https://casablueroom.com/[/URL]

[B] Medellin Tantra Massage Spa [/B]

Carrera 80 #44 B-139.

Prices 85 k for 30 min, 100 k for 45 min, 130 k for 60 min.

[URL]http://www.tantramedellin.com/[/URL]

[B]The Secret Spa[/B]

Carrera 70 A #43-52.

Prices 100 k for 30 min oral, 120 k for 60 min oral.

130 k for 30 min FS, 150 k for 60 min FS.

[URL]http://thesecretspa70.com[/URL]

[B]Fantasias Energy Medellin[/B] (Energy Spa).

Carrera 74 #49-101.

Prices 125 k for 30 min, 135 k for 40 min, 150 for 60 min.

[URL]https://www.fantasiasenergy.com[/URL]

[B]Oriental Spa Medellin[/B]

Calle 49 B #77 A-28.

Prices (probably outdated) 80 k or 90 k for 60 min, 160 k for 90 min Nuru.

[URL]https://www.orientalspa.co[/URL]

There are many other options for therapeutic massage. However, most are geared towards women.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2346308]Is $1. 50.[/QUOTE]I live in Medellin so I don't often think in terms of USD, but to go from 2 mil to 5 mil isn't the kind of trend I like. Not everyone that goes to a casa is a gringo with a gringo budget.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2346353]I live in Medellin so I don't often think in terms of USD, but to go from 2 mil to 5 mil isn't the kind of trend I like. Not everyone that goes to a casa is a gringo with a gringo budget.[/QUOTE]When something more than doubles in price is how it is looked at from a business standpoint.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2346371]When something more than doubles in price is how it is looked at from a business standpoint.[/QUOTE]Bingo! It's not the gringo value. It's looking at how things are trending.

A guy told me he went to a casa where they charged him for the condom cause he didn't have his own.

Yeah, these little costs / fees may not mean a lot in the moment but those that have been to many locations for many years tend to look at the little signs and changes because we've seen it happen in other places and know how that story can end up.

Luna Lunera has a condom fee.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2346376]Bingo! It's not the gringo value. It's looking at how things are trending.

A guy told me he went to a casa where they charged him for the condom cause he didn't have his own.

Yeah, these little costs / fees may not mean a lot in the moment but those that have been to many locations for many years tend to look at the little signs and changes because we've seen it happen in other places and know how that story can end up.[/QUOTE]

Doubling the presentation fee, not the service fee. Possibly (I am not sure), there may be too many local visitors just looking at the girls and leaving, and the management want to reduce them.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2346371]When something more than doubles in price is how it is looked at from a business standpoint.[/QUOTE]

What type of COP bills do most of you keep on you in Medellin? 1 mil or 20 mil bills or something?

I get that it varies depending on what you're planning to do with it but I just meant on average. What type of COP bills are there?

In America, most people keep 20's in cash and some 5's and 10's for example.

Also, do these casas give change back or will they just keep any change as a tip?

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2346376]Bingo! It's not the gringo value. It's looking at how things are trending.

A guy told me he went to a casa where they charged him for the condom cause he didn't have his own.

Yeah, these little costs / fees may not mean a lot in the moment but those that have been to many locations for many years tend to look at the little signs and changes because we've seen it happen in other places and know how that story can end up.[/QUOTE]I look at this forum, and I see scores of posters with a handful of posts asking pertinent*questions concerning MDE.

I like to look at You Tube in general, and I see many, many videos concerning MDE.

I am as guilty as most as for up to 5 years ago I posted many times of the benefits mongering in MDE.

In 2007 I made my first trip to Costa Rica. It was a Gringo hell at the time. I returned about 4 years ago, and it was more packed with Gringos with the high prices they encourage.

I think MDE in a few years will turn worse for the Monger.

I have been to Cali 3 times, and while it was a hot climate, and the city is very spread out, I think Cali is the future for Mongers who want to enjoy Colombia without the Costa Rica effect coming to MDE.

[QUOTE=Trojan22;2346409]What type of COP bills do most of you keep on you in Medellin? 1 mil or 20 mil bills or something?

I get that it varies depending on what you're planning to do with it but I just meant on average. What type of COP bills are there?[/QUOTE]1000, 2000, 5000, 10000, 20000, 50000, and before someone said there was a 100,000, but I have never seen one in 14 years and over 100 trips. I don't worry about what denominations I am carrying around. I just get it out of the machine and go spend it.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2346263]1. New Life rooms are clean.

2. What is a "fairly safe area?" Unless you prefer to walk around the block instead of going inside the club, the inside of the club is a fairly safe area. Playmates Bar Show is named "Conejitas."

I was down to Club Maracaibo and Barra Ejecutiva last night. Had my Uber drop me off a block away to avoid hassles with taxi drivers. Walked up and waited outside for 20 minutes for another monger. Nobody bothered me. There was even a young child, whose parents are street vendors, playing on the sidewalk.

Might as well review them too. Just did a walk through of Barra Ejecutiva before sitting in Maracaibo. There were a couple who were doable in my opinion. Maracaibo had more girls and a few were very nice. There were also several who were way out of my weight class. Not very crowded in either club.[/QUOTE]But the rooms at both Barra Executiva and Maracaibo suck big time, I have been in both clubs rooms numerous times and even if I see a chica that I want to party with I refuse to bring her into those rooms, especially the one at Maracaibo where you need to crawl under the bar and thru a small crawl hole behind the bar and then what you get are a moldy room that looks like your in some kind of macabre movie, its that bad and Barra Executiva where you enter through the men's restroom stalls and up this metal circular stairs to the rooms that were built as an after thought, when I am in these rooms I can't help but wonder what the fuck to do if a fire breaks out as there is no escape route.

SO nowadays I get the number of the chica and contact her to play outside the club.

This being said I have met some really fun chicas at both these bars.

The Tall Man.

After writing up some of the massage places, I decided a massage sounded like a good idea. Took a long walk, stopped for some lunch and eventually hopped on a bus towards Poblado. My original plan was to visit OM Spa for Men, but the door was locked and nobody answered my WhatsApp message until 2 hours passed.

In the Rio Sur mall there are 3 massage places. OM Spa has already been mentioned, it's on the 4th floor. On the 3rd floor is.

[B]El Garage Spa for Men[/B]

Carrera 43 A #6 Sur-26 suite 310.

Prices?

[URL]http://www.elgaragebarbershop.com/[/URL]

[B]Zen Spa Exclusive [/B]

Carrera 43 A #6 Sur-26 5th floor.

Prices 170 k for 60 min with Happy Ending.

[URL]http://www.zenspa.com.co[/URL]

El Garage looked a bit stuffy to me, so I headed to Zen Spa. There were 2 girls, mid 20's hanging out on the couch with no customers. Both were cute, professionally dressed, but neither was a jaw dropper.

I was led back to a small, clean room, where she turned off the lights, drew the shades and lit some candles, before leaving me to get undressed. She also offered a drink, beer was an option, but I chose water.

She gave me an excellent massage, a mix of styles that included some stretching. Be aware, if you tell her fuerte she's going to dig deep. Once she had worked my backside over from toes to scalp, she switched to very light, almost tickling massage. Her body language suggested that some touching on my part would be acceptable. A few minutes later she had me flip over.

After some light rubbing of chest and thighs, with a bit of incidental extra contact she asked if I wanted the optional extra. I did. Out came the oil and she started on me. When I attempted to get a hand under her shirt, she pulled it, and the sports bra up to give me full access.

I like the flaquitas. Small breasts, small waist, everything natural. I avoid the big breasts, real or fake. This girl was thick, not fat. Built like a brick shithouse is the term. She was easily the 4th letter of the alphabet in cup size. When she pulled that bra up, she released probably the most perfect large, natural breasts I have ever seen. I'm still in awe.

Back to the subject. She finished the task, cleaned me up and left me to get dressed. Paid her 170 k at the front desk.

I highly recommend. I'm probably heading back before I go home.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2346426]I look at this forum, and I see scores of posters with a handful of posts asking pertinent*questions concerning MDE.

I like to look at You Tube in general, and I see many, many videos concerning MDE.

I am as guilty as most as for up to 5 years ago I posted many times of the benefits mongering in MDE.

In 2007 I made my first trip to Costa Rica. It was a Gringo hell at the time. I returned about 4 years ago, and it was more packed with Gringos with the high prices they encourage.

I think MDE in a few years will turn worse for the Monger.

I have been to Cali 3 times, and while it was a hot climate, and the city is very spread out, I think Cali is the future for Mongers who want to enjoy Colombia without the Costa Rica effect coming to MDE.[/QUOTE]I can't disagree with these statements at all but just know that these gringos are concentrating in one general spot, this being Poblado or LLeras, so fortunately this is not the trend price wise in all of Medellin, thank god!

The Tall Man.

First let me say, and you can verify from my posts, I am a long time monger in second world countries. Thailand 15 times. Bali, Vietnam, Laos. Lived in Dubai 12 years. For some context I am a white American, 58 years old.

Today was my first trip to Medellin and my first day.

I will surely provide some posts after my visit. I thank the forum for the preparation, I have read many pages of posts.

I need some direction to salvage this trip.

Based on posts here I decided to go the El Centro route as I am not a Prima Dona and I like to save money when I am a monger not throw money in the toilet, and I don't need to hang around tourists.

That said, this is not the same as low end Thailand or Vietnam etc.

I am staying at 47 Hotel Medellin which has a 7. 8 rating on [URL]hotel.com[/URL]. $35 a night, great room pictures on the website.

I get to the hotel and here are the issues. No AC, No room safe, No closet? No dresser? No refrigerator. My feet hang off the end of the bed and I am only 5'8" No real bedsheets just a small thin sheet and blanket which I have never see in my life. I asked for a glass to drink my whisky in and they said go to the restaurant on the roof, which I did and the manager said only for restaurant. Went downstairs, hotel staff came up with me and I watched a 3 minute argument about 'I should not get a $1 dollar? Max glass but finally I got. You get the idea.

Then as discussed here you cannot go out and walk at night. The hotel was very clear. No, no,no, no too dangerous. So I am staying in a hotel where I can only go out in the day unless I go straight to a taxi. I cannot even take my phone out of my pocket without becoming some target? (As many experienced people here have said and as my hotel suggested even during the day).

I went to 3 restaurants today. All 3 the waiters were very agitated / annoyed that I did not speak fluent Spanish. They were annoyed I tried to use Google translate. One waitress went and got someone else to help me because she didn't want to use Google translate. All the waiters were visibly annoyed very quickly that I didn't speak Spanish. One restaurant I just walked out of due to them mocking me between themselves because I didn't speak Spanish.

Next I went to Veracruz area and checked out the scene, most of what I saw I would not go with for free. After walking for 2 hours took a 20 year old Venezuelan chick who was at best a 6 just to get something done, she was the best I saw and it was not good.

So I am trying to understand the mentality of people here who are so proud of El Centro, so proud that they can handle it. Is your only goal how cheap you can find pussy? Do you not mind staying in a hotel where it is too dangerous to go out and walk around at night? Do you not mind fucking very subpar pussy? Did I just have bad luck in the Veracruz area? Give it a try tomorrow and it will be better? Are my expectations just too high after mongering for so many years in Asia? Is your only goal how can I get the cheapest pussy but all the other qualities of a vacation are unimportant?

And if you mock and say, just go to the tourist area. Just go to the expensive areas. Let's be clear, that's not me, I don't want to hang out with stupid tourists who over pay I have been doing this 20+ years and that is not at all how I roll. Look at my past posts.

That's my first day in Medellin. I do hope my posts get better but I am not optimistic.

[QUOTE=KryptoKnight;2346454]I have read many pages of posts. I am staying at 47 Hotel Medellin which has a 7. 8 rating on [URL]hotel.com[/URL]. $35 a night, great room pictures on the website.[/QUOTE]On what page did you read someone say to stay at 47 Hotel Medellin? $35 per night is a lot of freakin money for downtown. Most of us pay like $15. Hotel Nutibara and others I have read on here more times than I can count. 47 Hotel? No idea where that even is. LOL. I looked it up. You are like 1km southeast of where you should be. Nah. I would not go outside if I was staying over there either! You need to go back closer to Parque Berrio.

[QUOTE=KryptoKnight;2346454]I get to the hotel and here are the issues. No AC, No room safe, No closet? No dresser? No refrigerator. My feet hang off the end of the bed and I am only 5'8" No real bedsheets just a small thin sheet and blanket which I have never see in my life.[/QUOTE]Welcome to Latin America. You are not getting all of that heat and AC and plush linen stuff unless you are staying in a big foreign chain hotel like Marriott or a 5 star Latin American Hotel.

[QUOTE=KryptoKnight;2346454]I asked for a glass to drink my whisky in and they said go to the restaurant on the roof, which I did and the manager said only for restaurant. Went downstairs, hotel staff came up with me and I watched a 3 minute argument about 'I should not get a $1 dollar? Max glass but finally I got. You get the idea.[/QUOTE]Go to the grocery store to buy a glass. The hotels downtown are cheap because they are simple.

[QUOTE=KryptoKnight;2346454]So I am trying to understand the mentality of people here who are so proud of El Centro, so proud that they can handle it. Is your only goal how cheap you can find pussy? Do you not mind staying in a hotel where it is too dangerous to go out and walk around at night? Do you not mind fucking very subpar pussy? Did I just have bad luck in the Veracruz area?[/QUOTE]I think most of us that swear by downtown are able to speak Spanish and know how to navigate the place. If someone was brand new to Latin America and did not speak Spanish then I probably would not recommend downtown to stay. Most foreigners that do not speak Spanish will stay in Poblado and maybe to go the casas like New Life during the day.

[QUOTE=KryptoKnight;2346454]And if you mock and say, just go to the tourist area. Just go to the expensive areas. Let's be clear, that's not me, I don't want to hang out with stupid tourists who over pay I have been doing this 20+ years and that is not at all how I roll.[/QUOTE]Now it is night time. Head out to the strip clubs. Barra Ejecutiva, Maracaibo, and Conejitas. Those places are relatively cheap as well. But as I have said before, still negotiate.

[QUOTE=KryptoKnight;2346454]First let me say, and you can verify from my posts, I am a long time monger in second world countries. Thailand 15 times. Bali, Vietnam, Laos. Lived in Dubai 12 years. For some context I am a white American, 58 years old.

Today was my first trip to Medellin and my first day.

I will surely provide some posts after my visit. I thank the forum for the preparation, I have read many pages of posts.

I need some direction to salvage this trip.

Based on posts here I decided to go the El Centro route as I am not a Prima Dona and I like to save money when I am a monger not throw money in the toilet, and I don't need to hang around tourists.

That said, this is not the same as low end Thailand or Vietnam etc.

I am staying at 47 Hotel Medellin which has a 7. 8 rating on [URL]hotel.com[/URL]. $35 a night, great room pictures on the website.

I get to the hotel and here are the issues. No AC, No room safe, No closet? No dresser? No refrigerator. My feet hang off the end of the bed and I am only 5'8" No real bedsheets just a small thin sheet and blanket which I have never see in my life. I asked for a glass to drink my whisky in and they said go to the restaurant on the roof, which I did and the manager said only for restaurant. Went downstairs, hotel staff came up with me and I watched a 3 minute argument about 'I should not get a $1 dollar? Max glass but finally I got. You get the idea.

Then as discussed here you cannot go out and walk at night. The hotel was very clear. No, no,no, no too dangerous. So I am staying in a hotel where I can only go out in the day unless I go straight to a taxi. I cannot even take my phone out of my pocket without becoming some target? (As many experienced people here have said and as my hotel suggested even during the day).

I went to 3 restaurants today. All 3 the waiters were very agitated / annoyed that I did not speak fluent Spanish. They were annoyed I tried to use Google translate. One waitress went and got someone else to help me because she didn't want to use Google translate. All the waiters were visibly annoyed very quickly that I didn't speak Spanish. One restaurant I just walked out of due to them mocking me between themselves because I didn't speak Spanish.

Next I went to Veracruz area and checked out the scene, most of what I saw I would not go with for free. After walking for 2 hours took a 20 year old Venezuelan chick who was at best a 6 just to get something done, she was the best I saw and it was not good.

So I am trying to understand the mentality of people here who are so proud of El Centro, so proud that they can handle it. Is your only goal how cheap you can find pussy? Do you not mind staying in a hotel where it is too dangerous to go out and walk around at night? Do you not mind fucking very subpar pussy? Did I just have bad luck in the Veracruz area? Give it a try tomorrow and it will be better? Are my expectations just too high after mongering for so many years in Asia? Is your only goal how can I get the cheapest pussy but all the other qualities of a vacation are unimportant?

And if you mock and say, just go to the tourist area. Just go to the expensive areas. Let's be clear, that's not me, I don't want to hang out with stupid tourists who over pay I have been doing this 20+ years and that is not at all how I roll. Look at my past posts.

That's my first day in Medellin. I do hope my posts get better but I am not optimistic.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I agree. I did my own research and had a great time in Colombia. El Pablado!! Will be back!

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2346378]Luna Lunera has a condom fee.[/QUOTE]His experience was at a casa en Centro.

[QUOTE=KryptoKnight;2346454]First let me say, and you can verify from my posts, I am a long time monger in second world countries. Thailand 15 times. Bali, Vietnam, Laos. Lived in Dubai 12 years. For some context I am a white American, 58 years old.


That's my first day in Medellin. I do hope my posts get better but I am not optimistic.[/QUOTE]It will get better, hopefully. Everyone is different. Not sure what your budget or taste is. There is something for everyone in Medellin so you do have options. There are a lot of nice hotels and apartments around the city. There are also different p4 p options.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2346460] $35 per night is a lot of freakin money for downtown. Most of us pay like $15. Hotel Nutibara and others I have read on here more times than I can count.[/QUOTE]Hotel Nutibara is listed on Trip Advisor for Monday at between $31 and $35. How do you get it for $15?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2346460] Welcome to Latin America. You are not getting all of that heat and AC and plush linen stuff unless you are staying in a big foreign chain hotel like Marriott. [/QUOTE]I stay in lower end hotels in Asia, $25 a night, not Marriotts, they all have had things like beds your feet do not hang off of, a simple glass in the room and room safes. I don't think expecting a glass to drink from is asking for a pot of Marriott gold.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2346460] Go to the grocery store to buy a glass. [/QUOTE]Now I am beginning to understand just how cheap and willing to apologize some people here are, they are willing to say that a hotel should not even have a what? 50 cent glass to drink from in the room? Thank you, you have confirmed my suspicions.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2346460] I think most of us that swear by downtown are able to speak Spanish and know how to navigate the place. If someone was brand new to Latin America and did not speak Spanish then I probably would not recommend downtown to stay. Most foreigners that do not speak Spanish will stay in Poblado and maybe to go the casas like New Life during the day. [/QUOTE]Thanks for the confirmation but it is frustrating, I don't want to hang in Poblado. Again I made lots of efforts to speak Spanish, I do speak basic, I work with people from Central America. I did have Google translate and attempted to use it. I don't want to go to tourist areas. I don't go to tourist areas other places I have mongered. Thailand, Vietnam, Bali, Laos, Dubai (Where I went to the cheapest clubs) sounds like you are saying if you are not fluent in in Spanish and you don't want to go monger with stupid tourists give Medellin a miss? And what about the extreme poor quality of the women in the Veracruz area? Did I just have bad luck on my 2 hour walk? Or are you just willing to settle for price over quality. That is an honest quewstion I am not trying to insult you. Did I have bad luck? I am willing to try again, but I want minimum a 7 or what's the point. I saw mostly 5 and below today.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2346460] Now it is night time. Head out to the strip clubs. Barra Ejecutiva, Maracaibo, and Conejitas. Those places are relatively cheap as well. But as I have said before, still negotiate.[/QUOTE]I appreciate that, I am too angry tonight, I have not even had dinner because I had to leave a restaurant near my hotel because they became annoyed I didn't speak fluent Spanish. I will get a good night's sleep and try to clear my extremely pissed off brain and start over tomorrow. In case you didn't notice I have anger management issues. Thank you for your insights. Sadly I might have to go the tourist route but that is not what I came here for.

Everyone is different. I for one do not care at all for the El Centro scene. You don't have to go to Poblado or pay the ridiculous prices the girls ask at Parque Lleras. I stay at Arbnb places in Laureles where it is a safer and a you can actually walk around and listen to music and go out partying with your girl without any issues at night. I use the internet social medias for contacts. Krypto, I recommend you look into Laureles.

I stayed at the Hotel Botero in el Centro and had the same issue, the air conditioning was not working and no refridgerator and one of the windows was broken. When I complained about how hot it was in the room during the day they gave me a portable fan which did not help at all. It is not safe to walk at night in El Centro whereas Laureles is much much more cleaner and safer.

for what it is worth , I am fluent in Spanish.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2346463]His experience was at a casa en Centro.[/QUOTE]

Had a spectacular multi-hour session at Aiffe a few days ago.

Arrived early.

Picked Kelly. Nicest attitude of the five shown. She likes to party so we started. 30 kcop for chupa sin condon, negotiated 70 kcop total for chupa and anal.

After hour #1 was up, we moved to the larger room up front and Kelly brought two girls in and we picked one to join our mix, Angie. Another party girl.

After hour #2 was up, Kelly was dismissed and Angie stayed on for another two hours of party. Everything on the menu, BBBJ, BBFS, anal, A2 M, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord118][CodeWord118][/url], etc.

6-7 cervezas, a bottle of ron. Think my total damage was 500-600 kcop. Not bad imo for a great memoria, una chimba.

[QUOTE=TyDown;2346461]Yeah, I agree. I did my own research and had a great time in Colombia. El Pablado!! Will be back![/QUOTE]Poblado has a lot to offer.

[QUOTE=KryptoKnight;2346472]

Now I am beginning to understand just how cheap and willing to apologize some people here are, they are willing to say that a hotel should not even have a what? 50 cent glass to drink from in the room? Thank you, you have confirmed my suspicions.

[/QUOTE]Centro sounds like the area for you if you want to stay in a non touristy P4 P zone.

Outside of Centro you would probably have to take a cab or if you have extra time you can take the metro subway to Centro.

There are plenty of areas where you won't see any tourists, but you will have to commute for p4 p unless you do online / social media and have them come to you. Most tourists stay in El Poblado and Laureles.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2346488]Centro sounds like the area for you if you want to stay in a non touristy P4 P zone.

Outside of Centro you would probably have to take a cab or if you have extra time you can take the metro subway to Centro.

There are plenty of areas where you won't see any tourists, but you will have to commute for p4 p unless you do online / social media and have them come to you. Most tourists live in El Poblado and Laureles.[/QUOTE]I have over 80 FB adds and of those 30 what's app numbers already I am about to use, but I was hoping to avoid the much higher costs as El centro was made to sound like the "same thing" without the cost.

I've been working on FB for close to a month before my trip and have had very near daily conversations with some of the contacts (using google translate). Their photos look good, let's see if it's all real, but the cost is significantly higher then the prices quoted by experienced members here for Centro chicas. I have had several get angry when I request 150,000 for 1 hour.

[QUOTE=Trojan22;2346409]What type of COP bills do most of you keep on you in Medellin? 1 mil or 20 mil bills or something?

I get that it varies depending on what you're planning to do with it but I just meant on average. What type of COP bills are there?

In America, most people keep 20's in cash and some 5's and 10's for example.

Also, do these casas give change back or will they just keep any change as a tip?[/QUOTE]For normal run of the mill purchases, keep 2, 5, 10, and 20 mil bills. Very few of the taxis and small shops / restaurants will have change for 50 mil (or they say they don't have change). I always carry a few 50's because that is what you get from the ATM's, but smaller bills are better.

The casas will give you change.

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2346480]Everyone is different. I for one do not care at all for the El Centro scene. You don't have to go to Poblado or pay the ridiculous prices the girls ask at Parque Lleras. I stay at Arbnb places in Laureles where it is a safer and a you can actually walk around and listen to music and go out partying with your girl without any issues at night. I use the internet social medias for contacts. Krypto, I recommend you look into Laureles.

I stayed at the Hotel Botero in el Centro and had the same issue, the air conditioning was not working and no refridgerator and one of the windows was broken. When I complained about how hot it was in the room during the day they gave me a portable fan which did not help at all. It is not safe to walk at night in El Centro whereas Laureles is much much more cleaner and safer.

for what it is worth , I am fluent in Spanish.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the insight. I will look into Laureles tomorrow.

[QUOTE=KryptoKnight;2346491]I have over 80 FB adds and of those 30 what's app numbers already I am about to use, but I was hoping to avoid the much higher costs as El centro was made to sound like the "same thing" without the cost.

I've been working on FB for close to a month before my trip and have had very near daily conversations with some of the contacts (using google translate). Their photos look good, let's see if it's all real, but the cost is significantly higher then the prices quoted by experienced members here for Centro chicas. I have had several get angry when I request 150,000 for 1 hour.[/QUOTE]For what you are spending for that hotel, you could probably get a nice airbnb with a full kitchen around town or a much nicer hotel. Besides FB, you got Tinder, photoprepagos, mileroticos and several dozen more online options. 150,000 shouldn't be hard to obtain.

[QUOTE=KryptoKnight;2346491]I have over 80 FB adds and of those 30 what's app numbers already I am about to use, but I was hoping to avoid the much higher costs as El centro was made to sound like the "same thing" without the cost.

I've been working on FB for close to a month before my trip and have had very near daily conversations with some of the contacts (using google translate). Their photos look good, let's see if it's all real, but the cost is significantly higher then the prices quoted by experienced members here for Centro chicas. I have had several get angry when I request 150,000 for 1 hour.[/QUOTE]I know you want to plan everything down to a tee, but it doesn't work like that. You can do some broad planning, but you have to be fluid with your plans as they may not go as expected.

I suggest you don't talk too much about price till you are there. They will grandstand now, of course, and try to get you to pay up. The truth is 150 k is a fair price there. If they ask, it is Ok to throw in taxi money, and if you are super pleased a small propina.

One other useful trick is to get a local number, then message them on whatsapp and all of a sudden your 150 k will be a good rate.

North american whatsapp numbers make them expect more.

On the day you are interested throw out what you want and what you are prepared to pay, and if its going nowhere just move to the next one. You said you have an 80 long list. You might want to check out a casa, a strip club, might run into a nice chick on the street, you just never know what will happen.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2346263]1. New Life rooms are clean.

2. What is a "fairly safe area?" Unless you prefer to walk around the block instead of going inside the club, the inside of the club is a fairly safe area. Playmates Bar Show is named "Conejitas."

I was down to Club Maracaibo and Barra Ejecutiva last night. Had my Uber drop me off a block away to avoid hassles with taxi drivers. Walked up and waited outside for 20 minutes for another monger. Nobody bothered me. There was even a young child, whose parents are street vendors, playing on the sidewalk.

Might as well review them too. Just did a walk through of Barra Ejecutiva before sitting in Maracaibo. There were a couple who were doable in my opinion. Maracaibo had more girls and a few were very nice. There were also several who were way out of my weight class. Not very crowded in either club.[/QUOTE]So basically even though people generally advise to stay out of El Centro at night you're saying it's safe as long as you take a uber to & from and not walk around? Also, you didn't tell me if for the hour price at the casa I can cum twice and what's the price at new life for 1 HR where I cum twice?

[QUOTE=KryptoKnight;2346472]Thanks for the confirmation but it is frustrating, I don't want to hang in Poblado. Again I made lots of efforts to speak Spanish, I do speak basic, I work with people from Central America. I did have Google translate and attempted to use it. I don't want to go to tourist areas. I don't go to tourist areas other places I have mongered. Thailand, Vietnam, Bali, Laos, Dubai (Where I went to the cheapest clubs) sounds like you are saying if you are not fluent in in Spanish and you don't want to go monger with stupid tourists give Medellin a miss? And what about the extreme poor quality of the women in the Veracruz area? Did I just have bad luck on my 2 hour walk? Or are you just willing to settle for price over quality. That is an honest quewstion I am not trying to insult you. Did I have bad luck? I am willing to try again, but I want minimum a 7 or what's the point. I saw mostly 5 and below today.[/QUOTE]IMO, you have seen what El Centro offers. There are a few attractive ladies there sometimes, but you have to look over a lot of 5's and below to find one. Finding a decent streetwalker at a decent price anywhere in the Medellin area is extremely difficult.

My suggestion is to get on the Metro and go to the San Antonia station. Get off and get on the train that goes to San Javier. You don't have to pay again as long as you don't go through the turnstile. Get off of that train at Estadio (3rd stop). Walk down LA 70 (you're see which way to go once you are out of the station) and check out some hotels on that street. That street is noisy at night on the weekends, but it is safe. You can go out almost anytime and find restaurants and sidewalk vendors to get a variety of food. Once you have found a suitable hotel, then start working Facebook contacts. I think you will find the ladies are much more willing to go to Laureles than to El Centro. For new ladies on Facebook, I offer 150 mil and taxi one way. In many years of doing that, I have had maybe two ladies that got an attitude about that offer. Some will ask for more, but we usually find a compromise. My experience has been that at least 95 percent of the ladies use recent, real photos of themselves.

Good luck in your endeavors. Once you get acclimated to Medellin, I think you will like it better than the Far East.

[QUOTE=KryptoKnight;2346472]Hotel Nutibara is listed on Trip Advisor for Monday at between $31 and $35. How do you get it for $15?

I stay in lower end hotels in Asia, $25 a night, not Marriotts, they all have had things like beds your feet do not hang off of, a simple glass in the room and room safes. I don't think expecting a glass to drink from is asking for a pot of Marriott gold.

Now I am beginning to understand just how cheap and willing to apologize some people here are, they are willing to say that a hotel should not even have a what? 50 cent glass to drink from in the room? Thank you, you have confirmed my suspicions..[/QUOTE]Let's start with my Spanish. It's currently around 30%. 2 years ago it was at 5-10% and that's being generous. I've eaten hundreds of meals in a lot of restaurants from one end of Medellin to the other. I've never had any restaurant treat me poorly because of my poor Spanish. Part of that is attitude. I recognize going in there will be language difficulties. So I ask for a menu "una carta por favor. " If they are talking to fast, I mention my poor Spanish and ask them to speak slower "solo hablo un poco de Espanol. Habla mas despacio por favor. " If I'm not sure what the menu says, I take a picture with Google Translate and let it work it's magic. If all else fails, I point at my selection.

People in Medellin are friendly, but they're also people. If you're getting angry with them over your issue, they won't be as friendly.

Next, the hotel issues. $35 is high for El Centro. Just about all El Centro hotels are bare minimum. Room safes and air conditioning are almost impossible to find. Air conditioning is also rare in most apartments. I've lived in 2 and am staying in a third, all in upscale neighborhoods and none have had AC. Electricity is expensive here and the climate is relatively mild. It's possible to get by without AC, although the worst place to try is El Centro. Other than mid to high end hotels, about the only apartments with AC are geared towards gringos at gringo prices.

I'd also recommend settling in Laureles. Even without AC it will be more comfortable. They get a nice breeze every afternoon. From there you can use the metro to El Centro (2550 cop) daytime and use taxis at night.

For the girls, Veracruz is a crap shoot. But you're talking about spending $12. Do you really expect a supermodel for $12? I'd recommend the casas. You'll pay $17, but it's a nicer environment. It's cleaner too, if you stick with the main places. If you don't find what you want, you might have to pay a dollar or so for a presentation fee. I usually just buy a beer.

The strip clubs are another option. Typically you'll pay 80 k, about $24. The rooms are rather nasty, but you should, after 10:30, have a reasonable selection. Club Maracaibo are just a few feet apart.

I don't recommend people walk around El Centro at night. There's no need. There are only a few places to go at night and it's easier to taxi to the door.

Here's a solution, except on Sunday, for your restaurant problem. Go to Delicias Al Natural Carrera 43 #55-35. The owner Juan speaks excellent English and the food is great and cheap. It's also just a block from New Life.

Another solution is to download the Rappi or Domicilios app. You can have anything delivered for a very reasonable delivery fee.

If you have anger management issues, the best thing might be to catch the next flight out. You're probably okay in restaurants or hotels, but out in the street that can get you hurt.

[QUOTE=KryptoKnight;2346454]$35 a night, great room pictures on the website.


I just walked out of due to them mocking me between themselves because I didn't speak Spanish.

.[/QUOTE]I thought I'll comment since I feel like we have a lot in common. I spent years and Asia and around and have only been in Medellín a few weeks.

Your hotel sucks plain and simple. Try somewhere else, I will never recommend a $$$ place. I stayed at HOTEL DORADO LA 70 the 1st days I was here. Ranges $40-50 in the Laureles area and it left me wanting for NOTHING. Perfect AC, fridge, wifi, cleaning and service.

I don't speak any Spanish and NO ONE AT ALL in 30 restaurants by now has actes like this to me. For your own sanity you need to introspect my friend, your body language and attitude is bringing this about because my experience proves it is not the basic character of the Colombian people.

One guy even said something like (on my second visit) "oh you're the guy who doesn't know much Spanish". Then he sat down at the table and spoke in slow motion so I could figure out he was just giving his name as the waiter and asking what drink I want to start. I was blown away by his kindness.

[QUOTE=KryptoKnight;2346494]Thank you for the insight. I will look into Laureles tomorrow.[/QUOTE]In Laureles newer apartments + no guest fees. Search $30-$70, daily rentals, 1-2 bedrooms. I get 30 options that should be much better than a hotel.

IMHO apartments are always better a value / experience worldwide. Not sure if I can post live links add www.

Lifeafar. Com.

Best.

Guido88.

First, a big thank-you to all the members who have contributed such excellent information about MDE. I'll be going there for the first time in late August and feel well-prepared thanks to you.

I have a question about love motels in Medellin. If you don't have a car and the chica doesn't have a car, how does the check-in and meeting work? Do you get a room and then wait for the chica to arrive and have her call you? Do you wait out front and check in together? I ask because the love motels I've been to before have been located in the suburbs or rural areas; I've never been to one in an urban area where, I suspect, there is a good amount of foot traffic. Thanks for any tips you can provide.

Travis.

[QUOTE=KryptoKnight;2346454]First let me say, and you can verify from my posts, I am a long time monger in second world countries. Thailand 15 times. Bali, Vietnam, Laos. Lived in Dubai 12 years. For some context I am a white American, 58 years old.


That's my first day in Medellin. I do hope my posts get better but I am not optimistic.[/QUOTE]I think you'd find a better time in the casas. There are probably 10 - 20 around where you are, just look at World Traveler's map. You'll get what you're looking for at casas like New Life; beautiful girls, cheap prices, and safety. If you don't like going to brothels I recommend you go at least once, find a girl you like and arrange to meet outside her working hours.

I think he just needs to get away from el centro. Follow the advice I and others gave and get an apartment away from El centro. Last time I was in Medellin I was there for 10 days, not once did I visit or care to see El Centro. Had plenty of entertainment day and night in a relaxed safe environment. Apartment with kitchen, clean modern shower, nice bed, ac that works and a safe that actually works! cheaper as well then spending the 35 dollars a night in el centro.

[QUOTE=SallySally;2346650]I think you'd find a better time in the casas. There are probably 10 - 20 around where you are, just look at World Traveler's map. You'll get what you're looking for at casas like New Life; beautiful girls, cheap prices, and safety. If you don't like going to brothels I recommend you go at least once, find a girl you like and arrange to meet outside her working hours.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2346324]Zaza / Fantasia really needed a makeover. The session rooms were starting to get to unacceptably cruddy level. There was a good looking popular girl there with a big natural ass who uses the name Paloma.[/QUOTE]Paloma was in the lineup.

[QUOTE=Anukris;2346229]Is there a list of casas in laureles anyone is aware of. Any recommendations of casas in Laureles?

Thanks much![/QUOTE]I have found most to be small private apartments that have 2-4 girls working out of them. You can get a presentation of the available girls. I found these on Mileroticos or Photoprepagos or other online sites. There are a couple massage places that offer full service with nice large rooms, Tantra and Energy I think are the best usually 150 mil for an hour.

[QUOTE=SallySally;2346650]I think you'd find a better time in the casas. There are probably 10 - 20 around where you are, just look at World Traveler's map. You'll get what you're looking for at casas like New Life; beautiful girls, cheap prices, and safety. If you don't like going to brothels I recommend you go at least once, find a girl you like and arrange to meet outside her working hours.[/QUOTE]Agree 100% a lot of guys stay in the gringo areas like Laureles and El Poblado so they can have things like Starbucks and Godfathers Pizza and just cab or metro it down to Centro during the day for p4 p and hit places like strip clubs around town, Lleras or maybe Mayorista at night or have an online chica come to their apartment or hotel.

[QUOTE=Anukris;2346229]Is there a list of casas in laureles anyone is aware of. Any recommendations of casas in Laureles?

Thanks much![/QUOTE]Try these.

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2346652]I think he just needs to get away from el centro. Follow the advice I and others gave and get an apartment away from El centro. Last time I was in Medellin I was there for 10 days, not once did I visit or care to see El Centro. Had plenty of entertainment day and night in a relaxed safe environment. Apartment with kitchen, clean modern shower, nice bed, ac that works and a safe that actually works! cheaper as well then spending the 35 dollars a night in el centro.[/QUOTE]It's good advice, except he wants to pay at the low end for girls. The prices he wants to pay are found in El Centro. Lodging, however, Laureles is definitely a better option than his current location.

My opinion is that a good Facebook girl is a better bargain, provided your place is chica friendly. With taxi you're in for 170-250 k depending on the girl, what you want and your bargaining skills. You spend 2-4 hours, even more with the girl. You're in a clean, comfortable environment. You have your things handy. You can take your time or you can get in 3 pops if you've got a quick recovery. You're probably able to get BBBJ with no extra cost. Once she's there, she's usually in no hurry to leave. It's just a more relaxing experience, for me.

If you're a 3 pop guy, you'll pay 120-150 k in El Centro. Plus taxi, plus 60-150 k for BBBJ, plus taxi out, plus walking to several casas to find 3 girls. And each one is no more than 30 minutes from "hola" to "gracias. ".

But El Centro appeals to some. It's all a matter of getting your priorities in order.

Greetings all,

Dumb question, but it' won't be the first, I'm sure. I'm thinking about trying out the Mansion this trip, but not sure the actual name of the hotel. Is it just "The Mansion"?

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2346716]Greetings all,

Dumb question, but it' won't be the first, I'm sure. I'm thinking about trying out the Mansion this trip, but not sure the actual name of the hotel. Is it just "The Mansion"?[/QUOTE]The current name is Hotel M. Search Google for Hotel M Medellin and you'll find it.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2346716]Greetings all,

Dumb question, but it' won't be the first, I'm sure. I'm thinking about trying out the Mansion this trip, but not sure the actual name of the hotel. Is it just "The Mansion"?[/QUOTE]The place is now formally known as The Medellin Plaza Hotel: [URL]http://hotelmedellinplaza.com/[/URL].

[QUOTE=Methius;2346684]Try these.[/QUOTE][URL]https://scort-masajes-y-erotismo-en-medellin-24-horas.negocio.site/?utm_source=gmb&utm_medium=referral[/URL]

[URL]http://aisha.com.co/[/URL]

I also recommend University Girls.

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/masajes-eroticos/chicas-de-19-a-22-anos-universitarias-muy-sexy-en-sala-de-masajes-imperio/11430611/[/URL]

Just from perusing the classified ads, it looks as if a number of new places have opened up in Laureles since I was there last August.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2346521]Let's start with my Spanish. It's currently around 30%. 2 years ago it was at 5-10% and that's being generous. I've eaten hundreds of meals in a lot of restaurants from one end of Medellin to the other. I've never had any restaurant treat me poorly because of my poor Spanish. Part of that is attitude. I recognize going in there will be language difficulties. So I ask for a menu "una carta por favor. " If they are talking to fast, I mention my poor Spanish and ask them to speak slower "solo hablo un poco de Espanol. Habla mas despacio por favor. " If I'm not sure what the menu says, I take a picture with Google Translate and let it work it's magic. If all else fails, I point at my selection.

People in Medellin are friendly, but they're also people. If you're getting angry with them over your issue, they won't be as friendly.

Next, the hotel issues. $35 is high for El Centro. Just about all El Centro hotels are bare minimum. Room safes and air conditioning are almost impossible to find. Air conditioning is also rare in most apartments. I've lived in 2 and am staying in a third, all in upscale neighborhoods and none have had AC. Electricity is expensive here and the climate is relatively mild. It's possible to get by without AC, although the worst place to try is El Centro. Other than mid to high end hotels, about the only apartments with AC are geared towards gringos at gringo prices..[/QUOTE]Anger management issues, I think you hit the nail on the head with that one.

[QUOTE=KryptoKnight;2346472]Hotel Nutibara is listed on Trip Advisor for Monday at between $31 and $35. How do you get it for $15?

I stay in lower end hotels in Asia, $25 a night, not Marriotts, they all have had things like beds your feet do not hang off of, a simple glass in the room and room safes. I don't think expecting a glass to drink from is asking for a pot of Marriott gold.

Now I am beginning to understand just how cheap and willing to apologize some people here are, they are willing to say that a hotel should not even have a what? 50 cent glass to drink from in the room? Thank you, you have confirmed my suspicions.

Thanks for the confirmation but it is frustrating, I don't want to hang in Poblado. Again I made lots of efforts to speak Spanish, I do speak basic, I work with people from Central America. I did have Google translate and attempted to use it..[/QUOTE]It appears as though Medellin and Colombia just isn't going to work for you as one of the issues is the language barrier for you, and with the Colombians being very formal and polite, it will be a problem for you if you get frustrated and anger easily. Again, and as mentioned by others, the language barrier is a big issue her versus other mongering venues, and that is a big part of the problem your having here. I have been to every single other country you have mentioned, and call tell you that in those Countries a lot of people speak English, but that is not the case in Colombia. So I wouldn't get frustrated about this because you have no control over it. Hopefully you will have some good experiences before your departure.

[QUOTE=RudeBwoy100;2346503]So basically even though people generally advise to stay out of El Centro at night you're saying it's safe as long as you take a uber to & from and not walk around? Also, you didn't tell me if for the hour price at the casa I can cum twice and what's the price at new life for 1 HR where I cum twice?[/QUOTE]Strip clubs don't like having people robbed or killed in front of their doors. It blocks traffic and is bad for business. If they let people get robbed outside the club, they won't be able to spend money inside the club. There are dozens of reports where people advise taking a taxi, at night, directly to the strip club. There's no need to walk more than a short distance.

I didn't answer your other questions because I have never done an hour at New Life or asked for 2 pops. I believe the 1 hour rate is 70 k. They have the prices posted. I also believe you usually have to negotiate the second round with the girl.

New Life doesn't make you pay up front. They charge based on how long you're in the room. Extras are negotiated directly with the girl.

[QUOTE=KryptoKnight;2346454]First let me say, and you can verify from my posts, I am a long time monger in second world countries. Thailand 15 times. Bali, Vietnam, Laos. Lived in Dubai 12 years. For some context I am a white American, 58 years old.

Today was my first trip to Medellin and my first day.

I will surely provide some posts after my visit. I thank the forum for the preparation, I have read many pages of posts.

I need some direction to salvage this trip.

Based on posts here I decided to go the El Centro route as I am not a Prima Dona and I like to save money when I am a monger not throw money in the toilet, and I don't need to hang around tourists.

That said, this is not the same as low end Thailand or Vietnam etc.

I am staying at 47 Hotel Medellin which has a 7. 8 rating on [URL]hotel.com[/URL]. $35 a night, great room pictures on the website.

I get to the hotel and here are the issues. No AC, No room safe, No closet? No dresser? No refrigerator. My feet hang off the end of the bed and I am only 5'8" No real bedsheets just a small thin sheet and blanket which I have never see in my life. I asked for a glass to drink my whisky in and they said go to the restaurant on the roof, which I did and the manager said only for restaurant. Went downstairs, hotel staff came up with me and I watched a 3 minute argument about 'I should not get a $1 dollar? Max glass but finally I got. You get the idea.

Then as discussed here you cannot go out and walk at night. The hotel was very clear. No, no,no, no too dangerous. So I am staying in a hotel where I can only go out in the day unless I go straight to a taxi. I cannot even take my phone out of my pocket without becoming some target? (As many experienced people here have said and as my hotel suggested even during the day).

I went to 3 restaurants today. All 3 the waiters were very agitated / annoyed that I did not speak fluent Spanish. They were annoyed I tried to use Google translate. One waitress went and got someone else to help me because she didn't want to use Google translate. All the waiters were visibly annoyed very quickly that I didn't speak Spanish. One restaurant I just walked out of due to them mocking me between themselves because I didn't speak Spanish.

Next I went to Veracruz area and checked out the scene, most of what I saw I would not go with for free. After walking for 2 hours took a 20 year old Venezuelan chick who was at best a 6 just to get something done, she was the best I saw and it was not good.

So I am trying to understand the mentality of people here who are so proud of El Centro, so proud that they can handle it. Is your only goal how cheap you can find pussy? Do you not mind staying in a hotel where it is too dangerous to go out and walk around at night? Do you not mind fucking very subpar pussy? Did I just have bad luck in the Veracruz area? Give it a try tomorrow and it will be better? Are my expectations just too high after mongering for so many years in Asia? Is your only goal how can I get the cheapest pussy but all the other qualities of a vacation are unimportant?

And if you mock and say, just go to the tourist area. Just go to the expensive areas. Let's be clear, that's not me, I don't want to hang out with stupid tourists who over pay I have been doing this 20+ years and that is not at all how I roll. Look at my past posts.

That's my first day in Medellin. I do hope my posts get better but I am not optimistic.[/QUOTE]Like you, I am experienced in 2nd and 3rd world countries. Last month, I stayed in El Centro but unlike you, I chose Hotel Nutibara as per Tall Man's recommendation. Everything was fantastic there. Aircon, bedsheets, breakfast, refrigerator, service, attitude, etc. Cost was just about $30 per night (best value for money I've seen anywhere). The area is dodgy at night but still manageable. During day, there are so many food walking and service options. I got fantastic haircut at barber down the street. Many casas are in walking distance and the hotel has a real charge given it's age and history dating back to 40's or around abouts. Maybe you picked the wrong hotel.

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2346480]I stayed at the Hotel Botero in el Centro and had the same issue, the air conditioning was not working and no refridgerator and one of the windows was broken. When I complained about how hot it was in the room during the day they gave me a portable fan which did not help at all. It is not safe to walk at night in El Centro whereas Laureles is much much more cleaner and safer.
[/QUOTE]Hotel Botero tips:

Tell them you want a fridge and they will get you one.

Stay on as high a floor as you can, less noise, more breeze.

Stay in room on NW side of building (side opposite entrance) it will be cooler in the morning but warmer in the afternoon. But I am out of the room then usually. When in the room during the afternoon I sometimes leave the door open and get a nice breeze thru the room.

Wedge the fan in the window blowing in on the bed, it will be too cool by morning usually.

Hotel Botero seems to have lowered their prices, showing up as $15 a night at the moment on [URL]Hotel.com[/URL].

I have a lengthy review on the Botero in Forum: Colombia-Thread: Medellin Hotels and Rental Apartments, post #925, with directions to the clubs, ATM, food, etc.

[QUOTE=KryptoKnight;2346472]Hotel Nutibara is listed on Trip Advisor for Monday at between $31 and $35. How do you get it for $15?

I stay in lower end hotels in Asia, $25 a night, not Marriotts, they all have had things like beds your feet do not hang off of, a simple glass in the room and room safes. I don't think expecting a glass to drink from is asking for a pot of Marriott gold.

Now I am beginning to understand just how cheap and willing to apologize some people here are, they are willing to say that a hotel should not even have a what? 50 cent glass to drink from in the room? Thank you, you have confirmed my suspicions.

Thanks for the confirmation but it is frustrating, I don't want to hang in Poblado. Again I made lots of efforts to speak Spanish, I do speak basic, I work with people from Central America. I did have Google translate and attempted to use it. I don't want to go to tourist areas. I don't go to tourist areas other places I have mongered. Thailand, Vietnam, Bali, Laos, Dubai (Where I went to the cheapest clubs) sounds like you are saying if you are not fluent in in Spanish and you don't want to go monger with stupid tourists give Medellin a miss? And what about the extreme poor quality of the women in the Veracruz area? Did I just have bad luck on my 2 hour walk? Or are you just willing to settle for price over quality. That is an honest quewstion I am not trying to insult you. Did I have bad luck? I am willing to try again, but I want minimum a 7 or what's the point. I saw mostly 5 and below today.

I appreciate that, I am too angry tonight, I have not even had dinner because I had to leave a restaurant near my hotel because they became annoyed I didn't speak fluent Spanish. I will get a good night's sleep and try to clear my extremely pissed off brain and start over tomorrow. In case you didn't notice I have anger management issues. Thank you for your insights. Sadly I might have to go the tourist route but that is not what I came here for.[/QUOTE]I think this is an honest report and there should be a lot more of them. Lots of mongers think just like you. Your right that many of us are cheap and willing to overlook quite a bit at this destination. Lots of guys think being "cheap" is an insult but it is a badge of honor being thrifty.

This thread is filled with reports mostly about how Medellin seems to be the perfect mongering place with just a hint of social problems that can be overlooked by the seasoned traveler. It obviously isn't. If it was perfect everyone would be here.

I am sure there are many guys who's expectations were not met after their first trip or they were hustled, robbed or ripped off and they have not reported as such.

Thanks for speaking your mind and warning newbies about the trials and tribulations of mongering in Medellin, Colombia.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2346740]It appears as though Medellin and Colombia just isn't going to work for you as one of the issues is the language barrier for you, and with the Colombians being very formal and polite, it will be a problem for you if you get frustrated and anger easily. Again, and as mentioned by others, the language barrier is a big issue her versus other mongering venues, and that is a big part of the problem your having here. I have been to every single other country you have mentioned, and call tell you that in those Countries a lot of people speak English, but that is not the case in Colombia. So I wouldn't get frustrated about this because you have no control over it. Hopefully you will have some good experiences before your departure.[/QUOTE]I did not have Spanish in school and have never heard Spanish until I met some Hispanic coworkers in United States. I had a great time on my first trip. If I can spend time scouring FB and casing out P4 P places I can also at least make an effort to learn a few words. I do not think experienced mongers have issues with language. P4P is an universal unless you require all your encounters to be GFE. That is a tall order even for a native speaker.

[QUOTE=TravisMcGee;2346632]First, a big thank-you to all the members who have contributed such excellent information about MDE. I'll be going there for the first time in late August and feel well-prepared thanks to you.

I have a question about love motels in Medellin. If you don't have a car and the chica doesn't have a car, how does the check-in and meeting work? Do you get a room and then wait for the chica to arrive and have her call you? Do you wait out front and check in together? I ask because the love motels I've been to before have been located in the suburbs or rural areas; I've never been to one in an urban area where, I suspect, there is a good amount of foot traffic. Thanks for any tips you can provide.

Travis.[/QUOTE]This all depends on which Love Motel you go to. The higher end motels have a drive up gate. At the best of the best your taxi will deposit you at the door to your room. Other places, the taxi will enter the compound and a motel employee will lead you to a room.

Other motels, like many in El Centro, Mayorista and Laureles, you simply walk into the lobby and get a key.

Unless the woman is someone I'm repeating with, I won't have them meet me at the Love Motel. Instead I'll meet them at a public place and spend some time before getting in a taxi. A few times, with ones I know, I've met them outside the gate of Motel Ibiza, hopped in the taxi with them and went through the normal process.

I am gearing up for my second trip next month. Last time I stayed in Mansion for a couple of days then shifted to San Peter in Laureles for rest of 10 day trip. My biggest complaint there is the noise from the bars in the area especially from Thursday to Sunday. Otherwise, I think its a perfect location to hit up centro during the day and strip clubs plus other P4P areas in the evening. Although I really loved it for the price and location, I think the pricing has crept up in place and is close to Casacol pricing ($50). As you guys may know Casacol has apartments all over MDE including Moderetto in Laureles. I did check it out last time but did not stay there. Any reviews on Casacol places? Can anyone compare san peter with Moderatto building. Also I have read here that Laureles hotels are not P4 P friendly. Any updated info. On the Laureles area by seniors would be appreciated.

From another week in Medellin. For those who are newer, let me give you some basic facts about me so you can decide whether you want to listen to me or not.

Been visiting Medellin for 14+ years, but never lived there.

Married to Colombiana from Bogota for 9 years. Now divorced.

53 YO gringo. Spanish is functional, but not fluent.

Used to stay in Poblado. Now stay in Laureles.

While I often try to tell myself that I'm going to try the casas again, go to Veracruz, or go to Centro strip clubs, I always end up doing the same. I see a mix of regulars and new FB girls and have ventured into the non-pro arena. I could save money by going to casas, but I typically pay FB girls 150 K and taxi one way. Non-pros are not guaranteed sex, but I've had fun with some, even without banging them. My trips are not solely about sex, but enjoying myself.

At any rate, nothing earth-shattering to say about most of my sessions. I don't think any were bad. Some were great. The best one is from a girl who is average looking and skinny. But she's into it. Loves to suck her own tits and squirt the milk out of her mouth back onto her chest. Tried anal for the first time and I was happy to oblige. I don't do it often, but she likes ass play, so I knew she'd like anal after the initial pain subsided.

At any rate, on my last night I had a date with a non-pro. She has a normal job and we never talked about sex or money. We decided to go to a place I like in Aranjuez for some cocktails and shots. She asked me to pick her up (instead of her coming to me), which tells you this was more like a normal date. She lives in Villa Hermosa. So I took off in the taxi. Went through a bunch of barrios I did not know. Some of it was a little scary and I was beginning to wonder if I had made a mistake. One street something big was on fire. Passed by a couple of working girls on the corner. Both of them looked pretty hot. If I didn't have a date, I might have gotten the taxi drive to stop so I could talk to one of them.

Fortunately, when I finally got to her neighborhood in Villa Hermoso, things improved. Her house was on a nice, quiet and clean street in a nice neighborhood. She came out of the house and off we went.

Got to Aranjuez and went in. The place is not big and it was not crowded. There is a new bar right next door and it was rockin'. But I wanted to stay where we were. Good music. Combo of ranchero, villenato, salsa, etc. Good cocktails. And we could talk with some privacy. Had a nice conversation with her, although I had to work hard because she talked fast and her Spanish was not as clear as I have heard. But very sweet girl. As we drank, she loosened up. She was drinking margaritas and ordered some shots in between. She eventually warmed up a lot, much to my enjoyment. Lots of kisses and hugs and authorized touching. Fun sharing a bom-bom-bon (lollipop).

Unfortunately, it turns out that she does not often drink a lot, so toward the end of the night, she threw up. No big deal. We got in the taxi and I was going to take her home, but after about 5 minutes she told the taxitas to instead go to my apartment. We slept together, but did not have sex. Which was fine. I had a good evening. And I know that respectable Colombian women never sleep with a guy on the first date.

The point to all of this is to say that there is a lot of fun to be had in the barrios. I am not suggesting this to newbies or to anyone who knows no Spanish. But it's nice to be somewhere where you are not in the presence of a bunch of loud, drunk gringos. People are nice to me. They do not bother me. I never felt any threat (of course, I get out of the taxi and go into the bar and then leave in a taxi. I do not walk the streets). I always go with a chica, so not trolling the bars alone. It is real Colombia. Not Lleras. Give it a try.

And by the way, the total bill was 103 mil. That included 8 cocktails and 6 shots. And the waitress was hot. Good times.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2346804]And I know that respectable Colombian women never sleep with a guy on the first date.[/QUOTE]You had me up until this phrase. Maybe women that make a rule for themselves not to fuck someone on the first date are doing it for the sake of rule making and tricking themselves that they have control of themselves. But it has nothing to do with whether they are respectable or not. I have fucked tons of respectable Colombian women on the first date. People are people and people like affection and fucking.

Plus if I tell everyone I just got a respectable new girl they would probably look at me crazy and say what the fuck does that have to do with anything. Tell me when you get a rich girl or a fine ass girl; but respectable? Uhhh, Okay.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2346812]You had me up until this phrase. Maybe women that make a rule for themselves not to fuck someone on the first date are doing it for the sake of rule making and tricking themselves that they have control of themselves. But it has nothing to do with whether they are respectable or not. I have fucked tons of respectable Colombian women on the first date. People are people and people like affection and fucking.

Plus if I tell everyone I just got a respectable new girl they would probably look at me crazy and say what the fuck does that have to do with anything. Tell me when you get a rich girl or a fine ass girl; but respectable? Uhhh, Okay.[/QUOTE]I'm with you on this one. If a girl gets drunk with you on the first date, then asks to go to your apartment, the probability that she's willing to give it up is pretty high.

However, if she's drunk enough to be tossing her cookies, I'm not even sleeping in the same bed with her. Falling down drunk girls are a big turnoff and there's always the possibility that the alcohol was making all the decisions. I'd rather avoid any unpleasantness in the morning, not to mention hangover breath.

I really appreciate everyone taking the time to offer some feedback and advice, what a great website this is and Medellin has some very thoughtful posters.

I think I will focus on quality over quantity. I am about to go look at the Laurels area.

I am confident it will turn into a great trip. Even today just walking around El Centro was great because of the much more relaxed vibe on a Sunday, I truely enjoyed a 2 hour relaxing walk and meal.

A couple points, people have criticized the cost of $35 for the hotel. This is the weekend price. I see it for $29 starting Monday. I am told $15 is obtainable at Hotel Nutibara but when I search I see between $31 and $39. How do you get the $15 price?

The anger management issues were not in the restaurants, it was just how I felt when I came back to the hotel after a trying day, a flight that was delayed to a 4 AM arrival, and then waking at 8 AM unable to sleep, I knew going out would not be a good idea.

I knew I was writing an angry post but I though it important to get onto the forum how I was feeling in it's raw state rather than wait until the next day and sugar coat everything. I felt expressing my ideas honestly would be the most productive route and it proved correct. After a day of cooling off I still agree with the context of my comments.

I will reboot and post on the positive experiences I am sure I will have thanks now to all the great advise here.

Muchas Gracias!

Atta boy!

Rest and a good night sleep usually results in a fresh new perspective.

Guys are just being guys even on this site. We have to fix everything.

Some people will never ever return to Medellin or Colombia for one reason or another, but there will usually be someone trying to fix it because they should have done this or that because it works for them.

News flash! Not everyone likes chocolate, big tits or petite naive women.

[QUOTE=KryptoKnight;2346454]First let me say, and you can verify from my posts, I am a long time monger in second world countries. Thailand 15 times. Bali, Vietnam, Laos. Lived in Dubai 12 years. For some context I am a white American, 58 years old.

Today was my first trip to Medellin and my first day.

I will surely provide some posts after my visit. I thank the forum for the preparation, I have read many pages of posts.

I need some direction to salvage this trip.

Based on posts here I decided to go the El Centro route as I am not a Prima Dona and I like to save money when I am a monger not throw money in the toilet, and I don't need to hang around tourists.

That said, this is not the same as low end Thailand or Vietnam etc.

I am staying at 47 Hotel Medellin which has a 7. 8 rating on [URL]hotel.com[/URL]. $35 a night, great room pictures on the website.

I get to the hotel and here are the issues. No AC, No room safe, No closet? No dresser? No refrigerator. My feet hang off the end of the bed and I am only 5'8" No real bedsheets just a small thin sheet and blanket which I have never see in my life. I asked for a glass to drink my whisky in and they said go to the restaurant on the roof, which I did and the manager said only for restaurant. Went downstairs, hotel staff came up with me and I watched a 3 minute argument about 'I should not get a $1 dollar? Max glass but finally I got. You get the idea.

Then as discussed here you cannot go out and walk at night. The hotel was very clear. No, no,no, no too dangerous. So I am staying in a hotel where I can only go out in the day unless I go straight to a taxi. I cannot even take my phone out of my pocket without becoming some target? (As many experienced people here have said and as my hotel suggested even during the day)..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2346460]On what page did you read someone say to stay at 47 Hotel Medellin? $35 per night is a lot of freakin money for downtown. Most of us pay like $15. Hotel Nutibara and others I have read on here more times than I can count. 47 Hotel? No idea where that even is. LOL. I looked it up. You are like 1km southeast of where you should be. Nah. I would not go outside if I was staying over there either! You need to go back closer to Parque Berrio..[/QUOTE]Read Mr Ent response a few times as all of your questions are clearly stated. Again it is all about expectations, they say that an expectation is the start of resentments meaning go with little or no expectations.

And don't get frustrated because of a few minor inconveniences (IE no closet or AC in hotel), welcome to Colombia. How much time will you be in Medellin?

The Tall Man.

I can only imagine what you consider respectable. Something tells me it's not much of a standard.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2346812]You had me up until this phrase. Maybe women that make a rule for themselves not to fuck someone on the first date are doing it for the sake of rule making and tricking themselves that they have control of themselves. But it has nothing to do with whether they are respectable or not. I have fucked tons of respectable Colombian women on the first date. People are people and people like affection and fucking.

Plus if I tell everyone I just got a respectable new girl they would probably look at me crazy and say what the fuck does that have to do with anything. Tell me when you get a rich girl or a fine ass girl; but respectable? Uhhh, Okay.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2346850]Read Mr Ent response a few times as all of your questions are clearly stated. Again it is all about expectations, they say that an expectation is the start of resentments meaning go with little or no expectations.

And don't get frustrated because of a few minor inconveniences (IE no closet or AC in hotel), welcome to Colombia. How much time will you be in Medellin?

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Hi Tall Man. I have read and enjoyed your posts.

I am here 10 days.

I also ask you look at Mr Ent posts. He criticized me for paying $35 (Weekend prices) and said he pays $15 a night for hotels and recommended Hotel Nutibara, I see Nutibara online for $31 and up for tomorrow.

I am not trying to create a flame war, but sometimes it feels like the El Centro crew likes to mock those who don't want to stay in a dangerous, grimey area with subpar chicas.

I just think there should be a greater level of honesty and less mocking of people who come here for vacation and don't want to go through the sewer. I complain about the hotel and I am told of course it's not the Marriott. I don't stay at Marriotts, ever, I do budget vacations. I live in Brooklyn and I watched an attempted purse snatching last week from my apartment window that involved an older woman being flung to the ground by a 20 something punk.

If you are in town I will gladly buy you a couple drinks as payback for all your amazing posts!

Cheers. Krypto Knight.

Hola, quick question. Are the strip clubs and casas in El Centro open on Sunday nights and are there any that are better on Sundays? Gracias.

Thanks for the post. It is a very good report with positive energy. I see your knowledge and maturity in the report. Have fun in Medellin.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2346804]From another week in Medellin. For those who are newer, let me give you some basic facts about me so you can decide whether you want to listen to me or not.

Been visiting Medellin for 14+ years, but never lived there.

Married to Colombiana from Bogota for 9 years. Now divorced.

53 YO gringo. Spanish is functional, but not fluent.

Used to stay in Poblado. Now stay in Laureles.

While I often try to tell myself that I'm going to try the casas again, go to Veracruz, or go to Centro strip clubs, I always end up doing the same. I see a mix of regulars and new FB girls and have ventured into the non-pro arena. I could save money by going to casas, but I typically pay FB girls 150 K and taxi one way. Non-pros are not guaranteed sex, but I've had fun with some, even without banging them. My trips are not solely about sex, but enjoying myself.

At any rate, nothing earth-shattering to say about most of my sessions. I don't think any were bad. Some were great. The best one is from a girl who is average looking and skinny. But she's into it. Loves to suck her own tits and squirt the milk out of her mouth back onto her chest. Tried anal for the first time and I was happy to oblige. I don't do it often, but she likes ass play, so I knew she'd like anal after the initial pain subsided.

At any rate, on my last night I had a date with a non-pro. She has a normal job and we never talked about sex or money. We decided to go to a place I like in Aranjuez for some cocktails and shots. She asked me to pick her up (instead of her coming to me), which tells you this was more like a normal date. She lives in Villa Hermosa. So I took off in the taxi. Went through a bunch of barrios I did not know. Some of it was a little scary and I was beginning to wonder if I had made a mistake. One street something big was on fire. Passed by a couple of working girls on the corner. Both of them looked pretty hot. If I didn't have a date, I might have gotten the taxi drive to stop so I could talk to one of them.

Fortunately, when I finally got to her neighborhood in Villa Hermoso, things improved. Her house was on a nice, quiet and clean street in a nice neighborhood. She came out of the house and off we went.

Got to Aranjuez and went in. The place is not big and it was not crowded. There is a new bar right next door and it was rockin'. But I wanted to stay where we were. Good music. Combo of ranchero, villenato, salsa, etc. Good cocktails. And we could talk with some privacy. Had a nice conversation with her, although I had to work hard because she talked fast and her Spanish was not as clear as I have heard. But very sweet girl. As we drank, she loosened up. She was drinking margaritas and ordered some shots in between. She eventually warmed up a lot, much to my enjoyment. Lots of kisses and hugs and authorized touching. Fun sharing a bom-bom-bon (lollipop).

Unfortunately, it turns out that she does not often drink a lot, so toward the end of the night, she threw up. No big deal. We got in the taxi and I was going to take her home, but after about 5 minutes she told the taxitas to instead go to my apartment. We slept together, but did not have sex. Which was fine. I had a good evening. And I know that respectable Colombian women never sleep with a guy on the first date.

The point to all of this is to say that there is a lot of fun to be had in the barrios. I am not suggesting this to newbies or to anyone who knows no Spanish. But it's nice to be somewhere where you are not in the presence of a bunch of loud, drunk gringos. People are nice to me. They do not bother me. I never felt any threat (of course, I get out of the taxi and go into the bar and then leave in a taxi. I do not walk the streets). I always go with a chica, so not trolling the bars alone. It is real Colombia. Not Lleras. Give it a try.

And by the way, the total bill was 103 mil. That included 8 cocktails and 6 shots. And the waitress was hot. Good times.[/QUOTE]

By the way, do they mind if you whip out a video camera in the strip clubs and film the action. Vacation memories kind of thing?

*Joking.

[QUOTE=KryptoKnight;2346896]I also ask you look at Mr Ent posts. He criticized me for paying $35 (Weekend prices) and said he pays $15 a night for hotels and recommended Hotel Nutibara, I see Nutibara online for $31 and up for tomorrow.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry. I never said the Nutibara was $15. I was just saying that you should be staying in the area where Nutibara is and that it is a popular hotel for mongers. Other hotels in that area are in the $15 range. Also, if you have boots on the ground somewhere then don't rely on what you see online. By going there to inquire is how you are going to get the best deal. I have a buddy that stays at the Nutibara and pays like $250/month, but you are not going to see that online. You will see that by walking over and asking in person. Same as someone said to get a local number and send messages from that and chicks will give you a lower price than if you send messages from a foreign number.

I am just a person that does not like to reinvent the wheel. You said that you read so much then you go off and stay at a place that nobody has mentioned. That gave me a chuckle and that is why I quoted it and somewhat mocked you for it. It reminded me of my brother. Whenever he has gone somewhere new and I have told him exactly where to stay, somehow he always ends up at a place across town that nobody has mentioned that is way far from the action. When I go somewhere new I will get on here and read and ask other board members where I should be staying. My first time to Medellin I waited until a buddy of mine (who lives there now) that already knew the ropes was going too. I did not have to figure anything out. All I had to do was follow him. That is how I learned of all the $10, $13, $15 hotels and all the casas and bars and strip clubs all around downtown. It would have given me a headache trying to figure all of that stuff out on my own. Had he started me out in Poblado, then maybe I would have been one of the Poblado guys.

[QUOTE=AmoMedellin;2331317]Take your favourite Paisa to Teatro Metropolitano at a spectacular event like Zuruzuela and have dinner afterwards at the small but very good Italian Pomodoro (Clle 73).

Things will never be the same again; Show off quality and impress the Medellin community.

FB chicks, I have done that as well, but I want to forget, the real events, those I remember for life![/QUOTE]It appears that Teatro Metropolitano has no performances scheduled during my planned visit, though it was a great suggestion for an upscale date. Any other suggestions would be welcome.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2346915]I'm sorry. I never said the Nutibara was $15. I was just saying that you should be staying in the area where Nutibara is and that it is a popular hotel for mongers. Other hotels in that area are in the $15 range. Also, if you have boots on the ground somewhere then don't rely on what you see online. By going there to inquire is how you are going to get the best deal. I have a buddy that stays at the Nutibara and pays like $250/month, but you are not going to see that online. You will see that by walking over and asking in person. Same as someone said to get a local number and send messages from that and chicks will give you a lower price than if you send messages from a foreign number.

I am just a person that does not like to reinvent the wheel. You said that you read so much then you go off and stay at a place that nobody has mentioned. That gave me a chuckle and that is why I quoted it and somewhat mocked you for it. It reminded me of my brother. Whenever he has gone somewhere new and I have told him exactly where to stay, somehow he always ends up at a place across town that nobody has mentioned that is way far from the action. When I go somewhere new I will get on here and read and ask other board members where I should be staying. My first time to Medellin I waited until a buddy of mine (who lives there now) that already knew the ropes was going too. I did not have to figure anything out. All I had to do was follow him. That is how I learned of all the $10, $13, $15 hotels and all the casas and bars and strip clubs all around downtown. It would have given me a headache trying to figure all of that stuff out on my own. Had he started me out in Poblado, then maybe I would have been one of the Poblado guys.[/QUOTE]100% spot on Mr E. But the problem is so few are willing to share even General info that it becomes difficult for the newbie. I took a conservative approach but had 9 days and I still made errors but with cobbling together whatever info I could and my 35% Spanish, I was able to make it a decent adventure. But I did ignore the stay at the M and all will be solved advise and with any less spanish or less research or less advise form the few who did provide I would have had an inferior experience.

So my plea to fellow mongers is, atleast with generic info, be a tad more generous. It helps set the market better and helps the green ones be less green (atleast some of them). There will always be the ones that can't helped.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2346935]100% spot on Mr E. But the problem is so few are willing to share even General info that it becomes difficult for the newbie. I took a conservative approach but had 9 days and I still made errors but with cobbling together whatever info I could and my 35% Spanish, I was able to make it a decent adventure. But I did ignore the stay at the M and all will be solved advise and with any less spanish or less research or less advise form the few who did provide I would have had an inferior experience.

So my plea to fellow mongers is, atleast with generic info, be a tad more generous. It helps set the market better and helps the green ones be less green (atleast some of them). There will always be the ones that can't helped.[/QUOTE]Some of us try. I'll answer any question to the best of my ability, except for "can you give me her contact info." I even go to the trouble of trying other things, just to have the experience. As an example, I spent 2 nights at the Mansion just to understand what type of monger it's best suited for.

I'm also not a one size fits all guy. That's why I ask questions. How's your Spanish? What are your priorities? What environments are you comfortable with? I can't make much of a recommendation without some information.

My hope is that everyone who visits has a great and safe time.

I wasn't inspired by ColombiaLover's report, it just worked out that I had a different type of experience today.

A Venezuelan I met 2 years ago has stayed in touch with me. She was back in Venezuela until yesterday when she managed to return to Medellin. Although she was doing P4P when I met her, she's not particularly interested in it. She'll do it when she has to, but she tries to avoid being in that situation. She's 22, ambitious and has no kids. She's also reasonably well educated and comes from a middle class family.

I've been looking forward to seeing her again, not just because she has the perfect look for me, but because we can have an actual conversation about real things.

This afternoon she hit me up. She made it back, has settled in and wanted to do something. I'd been having a lazy day and was happy for the incentive to get off my ass and do something, even though sex was off the table because of her period. Instead I invited her to a movie.

We met at Los Molinos mall, had some coffee and chatted for about 3 hours. I paid for coffee, movie and snacks, but she didn't ask for anything else. It turned into a 5 hour platonic date after which I had the taxi drop her off before taking me back to the apartment. Counting the taxi I spent about 90 k.

I could have found other ways to entertain myself, but sometimes I would rather do something different.

Why does anybody here even stay at the hotels? [URL]Airbnb.com[/URL] has amazing prices on entire apartments, there's currently a studio apartment for $15/ night with A. See in El Centro available & tonnes of Laureles apartments are going for $13-17/ night. What's the advantage of getting an apartment over an airbnb when the prices are so much cheaper?

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2346935]But the problem is so few are willing to share even General info that it becomes difficult for the newbie.

So my plea to fellow mongers is, atleast with generic info, be a tad more generous. It helps set the market better and helps the green ones be less green (atleast some of them). There will always be the ones that can't helped.[/QUOTE]I don't get it. There is a detailed map with an ample amount of sex establishments, hundreds of trip reports, detailed videos on youtube, social media, online contacts, etc. Yet, I still see people asking questions about Medellin? It reminds me of a facebook group I'm in where every month someone different asks what the cost of living is in Medellin.

[QUOTE=KryptoKnight;2346900]Hola, quick question. Are the strip clubs and casas in El Centro open on Sunday nights and are there any that are better on Sundays? Gracias.[/QUOTE]Have you downloaded the map? The map has some websites, hours of operation, etc. For the various sex establishments in addition to the locations.

I've been to strip clubs on Sundays. Typically, casas are not open during the evening.

Yo fellas I will be in town this week. I wanted to know a decent location to hang with a chica for drinks maybe some dancing. My days are Monday Tuesday and Wednesday. I know some times it's hard to find parties on these days. In my last trip it was damn near impossible. I will be staying in engery building. Appreciate any assistance thanks.

[QUOTE=KryptoKnight;2346900]Hola, quick question. Are the strip clubs and casas in El Centro open on Sunday nights and are there any that are better on Sundays? Gracias.[/QUOTE]Most day time casas are closed on Sunday. Strip clubs are open and close at about midnight.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2346804].............Unfortunately, it turns out that she does not often drink a lot, so toward the end of the night, she threw up. No big deal. We got in the taxi and I was going to take her home, but after about 5 minutes she told the taxitas to instead go to my apartment. We slept together, but did not have sex. Which was fine. I had a good evening. And I know that respectable Colombian women never sleep with a guy on the first date.................[/QUOTE]Did you try to have sex with her? If not, why not? Respectable girls like sex too and are open to being 'convinced' on the first date.

[QUOTE=RudeBwoy100;2346964]Why does anybody here even stay at the hotels? [URL]Airbnb.com[/URL] has amazing prices on entire apartments, there's currently a studio apartment for $15/ night with A. See in El Centro available & tonnes of Laureles apartments are going for $13-17/ night. What's the advantage of getting an apartment over an airbnb when the prices are so much cheaper?[/QUOTE]I have done both. I like hotels for laundry service, daily cleaning, pay with credit card, fresh towels, breakfast, room safe, back up elevators, better beds, faster service on maintenance, security and no church-going neighbors.

When in Medellin while using a BnB on the last trip, I became partial to using short-time motels for mongering. I was using one of the agents mentioned on the Board and Seeking Arrangement. In Laureles, I can recommend Aloha Suites for basic rooms and Thematic Luxury Suites for an upgraded experience. My Airbnb was between the two motels. The caveat is that I am a daytime monger and the motels are usually discounted during the afternoon. Expect to pay 50 k to 70 k COP for three hours.

[QUOTE=RudeBwoy100;2346964]Why does anybody here even stay at the hotels? [URL]Airbnb.com[/URL] has amazing prices on entire apartments, there's currently a studio apartment for $15/ night with A. See in El Centro available & tonnes of Laureles apartments are going for $13-17/ night. What's the advantage of getting an apartment over an airbnb when the prices are so much cheaper?[/QUOTE]If you really want to push the envelope on price, why stay in an Airbnb when you can stay at a hostel for under $10 per night?

There are benefits for each. Many Airbnb apartments have excessive rules. Some are in areas where most gringos wouldn't be comfortable. Some of the cheapest ones lack things most people take for granted, like hot water or toilet paper. Colombia is a world leader in uncomfortable furniture. Spending a week on a bed that's either extremely hard, or extremely worn out is no fun.

Hotels come with daily cleaning, extra towels when needed, possibly room service, security.

It's all a matter of individual preference.

[QUOTE=KryptoKnight;2346454]First let me say, and you can verify from my posts, I am a long time monger in second world countries. Thailand 15 times. Bali, Vietnam, Laos. Lived in Dubai 12 years. For some context I am a white American, 58 years old.

Today was my first trip to Medellin and my first day.

I will surely provide some posts after my visit. I thank the forum for the preparation, I have read many pages of posts.

I need some direction to salvage this trip.

Based on posts here I decided to go the El Centro route as I am not a Prima Dona and I like to save money when I am a monger not throw money in the toilet, and I don't need to hang around tourists.

That said, this is not the same as low end Thailand or Vietnam etc.

I am staying at 47 Hotel Medellin which has a 7. 8 rating on [URL]hotel.com[/URL]. $35 a night, great room pictures on the website.

I get to the hotel and here are the issues. No AC, No room safe, No closet? No dresser? No refrigerator. My feet hang off the end of the bed and I am only 5'8" No real bedsheets just a small thin sheet and blanket which I have never see in my life. I asked for a glass to drink my whisky in and they said go to the restaurant on the roof, which I did and the manager said only for restaurant. Went downstairs, hotel staff came up with me and I watched a 3 minute argument about 'I should not get a $1 dollar? Max glass but finally I got. You get the idea.

Then as discussed here you cannot go out and walk at night. The hotel was very clear. No, no,no, no too dangerous. So I am staying in a hotel where I can only go out in the day unless I go straight to a taxi. I cannot even take my phone out of my pocket without becoming some target? (As many experienced people here have said and as my hotel suggested even during the day).

I went to 3 restaurants today. All 3 the waiters were very agitated / annoyed that I did not speak fluent Spanish. They were annoyed I tried to use Google translate. One waitress went and got someone else to help me because she didn't want to use Google translate. All the waiters were visibly annoyed very quickly that I didn't speak Spanish. One restaurant I just walked out of due to them mocking me between themselves because I didn't speak Spanish.

Next I went to Veracruz area and checked out the scene, most of what I saw I would not go with for free. After walking for 2 hours took a 20 year old Venezuelan chick who was at best a 6 just to get something done, she was the best I saw and it was not good.

So I am trying to understand the mentality of people here who are so proud of El Centro, so proud that they can handle it. Is your only goal how cheap you can find pussy? Do you not mind staying in a hotel where it is too dangerous to go out and walk around at night? Do you not mind fucking very subpar pussy? Did I just have bad luck in the Veracruz area? Give it a try tomorrow and it will be better? Are my expectations just too high after mongering for so many years in Asia? Is your only goal how can I get the cheapest pussy but all the other qualities of a vacation are unimportant?

And if you mock and say, just go to the tourist area. Just go to the expensive areas. Let's be clear, that's not me, I don't want to hang out with stupid tourists who over pay I have been doing this 20+ years and that is not at all how I roll. Look at my past posts.

That's my first day in Medellin. I do hope my posts get better but I am not optimistic.[/QUOTE]Have not yet read all the responses so if what I am saying has already been said I apologize in advance.

It's been written many times before: There is a learning curve with Medellin if you are out and about on your own. Even moreso if your Spanish is limited. This learning curve is overcome by the amt of time you spend here. SO, If you are here for under two weeks get ready to have a good deal of disappointment in the getting a quality sex experience.

I am not promoting the high end places at all but if you are coming down for 10 days and want to get a quality lay or three EVERY day you will be extremely disappointed in Centro or anywhere actually being 100% totally on your own and with minimal Spanish. It is probably best to hit the Mansion or something similar for your first few times to get to learn the ropes, the lay of the land etc.

As far as accomodations and an actual glass as opposed to a plastic cup well welcome to the 3rd world. To do things right you need to forget Sam Adamas in a chilled pilsner glass and make friends with a can of Pilsen. Or you can spend the big bucks in Medellin (way more expensive than Cali or Barranquilla) and go higher end (you're still not getting Sam Adams but Heineken, Bud Stella you get the idea).

As for the girls in centro I wouldn't fuck them with a wooden dick. HOWEVER there are gems to be had who are simply out of this world -the trouble is you are not going to find them and score them in just a week or two down here. By the time you figure it out someone's taken her and you'll never see her again (don't despair as the first few times in the sack for some reason Colombianas are nowhere near their peak performance. After they get to know you and feel comfortable with you it is so much better). This girl you're dying to find again the next night will waste a lot of your time as she may only "work" a few times every other month and in more than just a few different spots.

When you are reading the awesome reports here of having the greatest time in centro you are most definitely getting these reports for seasoned vets who come down all the time, or guys who live here, or guys like you who just happen to hit it lucky. And you most certainly can hit it lucky, in fact I know you will. But unfortunately it will be on your last or second to last day.

When you get home and think about the $ spent and the pussy conquered it will probably seem not worth it.

The difference between Medellin and places like FKK or Curacao is that in the latter you walk in with only English skills and have a hundred women to choose from all in one place. It costs a bit more but you will get quality pussy from day one. When you get home from places like this and think about the $ spent and the pussy conquered it will definitely seem VERY worth it. You've already been to Thailand many times so you know what I am saying.

So if you prefer latinas on the cheap and want good quality you will get it here but it's a process that requires better Spanish and lots of time building the relationships with the girls, being a steady customer and even a customer once she leaves the business. All of which is not happening the way you would like it to happen on this first trip.

I would recommend for you this trip to hit the casas and try to click as early as possible with someone and try to get repeats after hours ("Come to my hotel after work and we'll grab a few beers and a bite and then I'll pay you a little more than when the casa charges for the hour and you'll get to keep all the money instead of splitting it with the casa".

Suerte!

[QUOTE=SailorJim;2347155]As for the girls in centro I wouldn't fuck them with a wooden dick. HOWEVER there are gems to be had who are simply out of this world -the trouble is you are not going to find them and score them in just a week or two down here. By the time you figure it out someone's taken her and you'll never see her again[/QUOTE]This begs the question as to how and where these gems are to be found. Where are these someones taking them from and taking them to? I have been to Colombia over 100 times but have never been in one place for an entire week, let alone two. Does that make me ineligible to be able to "figure it out?" How much time must one stay there in order to be privy to this mystical information? Can you give us more concrete things to go by instead of speaking abstractly and vaguely?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2347177]This begs the question as to how and where these gems are to be found. Where are these someones taking them from and taking them to? I have been to Colombia over 100 times but have never been in one place for an entire week, let alone two. Does that make me ineligible to be able to "figure it out?" How much time must one stay there in order to be privy to this mystical information? Can you give us more concrete things to go by instead of speaking abstractly and vaguely?[/QUOTE]He has a few valid points, you do have to spend a lot of time in El Centro sampling the merchandise to find the performers.

[QUOTE=SailorJim;2347155]The difference between Medellin and places like FKK or Curacao is that in the latter you walk in with only English skills and have a hundred women to choose from all in one place. It costs a bit more but you will get quality pussy from day one. When you get home from places like this and think about the $ spent and the pussy conquered it will definitely seem VERY worth it. You've already been to Thailand many times so you know what I am
Suerte![/QUOTE]I have been in Germany a week now, and can tell you for a fact your not going to get quality pussy from day one for just a bit more in a FKK. In Berlin they have one FKK-Artemis and its 80 Euros or about $ 95 US just to get in and a thirty minute session with a covered BJ costs 60 Euros or about $ 65 US. So your looking at $ 155 USD for which I can get laid for a week in Medellin many times over.

[QUOTE=Starlord1;2347084]Yo fellas I will be in town this week. I wanted to know a decent location to hang with a chica for drinks maybe some dancing. My days are Monday Tuesday and Wednesday. I know some times it's hard to find parties on these days. In my last trip it was damn near impossible. I will be staying in engery building. Appreciate any assistance thanks.[/QUOTE]If your staying in the Energy Building in the La Linde Barrio of Poblado, just walk down the hill to Provenza with your friend and there are numerous places to have drinks.

I have visited El Centro since 2002 and have lived in the Botero area 3-4 month every year since 2010. I know many girls on the street and hotel managers, and their friends. I have seen a (very) few decent girls but not a gem or "diamond in rough."

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2347177]This begs the question as to how and where these gems are to be found. Where are these someones taking them from and taking them to? I have been to Colombia over 100 times but have never been in one place for an entire week, let alone two. Does that make me ineligible to be able to "figure it out?" How much time must one stay there in order to be privy to this mystical information? Can you give us more concrete things to go by instead of speaking abstractly and vaguely?[/QUOTE]

Hi all,

So I understand the concept of looking at a girl's friend list on facebook, and most likely her friends with provocative pictures are also hookers, but my question is: how do I even find the first girl to add on facebook? If anyone can give any pointers on what to search for, it would be greatly appreciated!

[QUOTE=KryptoKnight;2346900]Hola, quick question. Are the strip clubs and casas in El Centro open on Sunday nights and are there any that are better on Sundays? Gracias.[/QUOTE]Be sure to check the Medellin maps outs again and note the written portion of it as they usually will state the hours they are open.

For the most part yes these places are open on Sundays however some of the casas are not. I know for sure that the strip clubs in el centro are open Sundays as I have been to all them them on numerous Sundays.

Have fun!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2346943]Some of us try. I'll answer any question to the best of my ability, except for "can you give me her contact info." I even go to the trouble of trying other things, just to have the experience. As an example, I spent 2 nights at the Mansion just to understand what type of monger it's best suited for.

I'm also not a one size fits all guy. That's why I ask questions. How's your Spanish? What are your priorities? What environments are you comfortable with? I can't make much of a recommendation without some information.

My hope is that everyone who visits has a great and safe time.[/QUOTE]Agree JjBee, you are an asset to this forum. And your information was very useful and probably helped me the most. There are a couple of others here as well. I am not as seasoned travelling in Colombia but did contribute what I learned in as objective a manner as I could. Obviously I wouldn't expect anyone to hand over contact info on a non pro or part time pro esp. To a perfect stranger (some of whom are frankly very odd folks, I noted that as well), but at the end of the day these women are pay for play and even on them the information here is scant, like as if these mongers are in love. When I look at their multi thousand strong social media, I just have to shake my head at why these people think she's "his little secret". Lmao.

I was just speaking to the average poster here.

[QUOTE=KryptoKnight;2346909]By the way, do they mind if you whip out a video camera in the strip clubs and film the action. Vacation memories kind of thing?.[/QUOTE]LOL. Nice.

On a more general note as response to your other post. I get the idea of not wanting to be in a touristy area. Of wanting to see the real deal. Of wanting best bang for the buck. I am one of those. For sure. But I have never quite pulled the pin on staying in Centro Medellin. I've been in Airbnb's in a number of parts of town, and have been in Centro lots and lots. Including at night. But I'm just not sure about spending my vacation there. For one thing. I like spending some time in a bar I'm comfortable in. And I have got to know a few expats and friends in Poblado. So that's my go to place for evening drink. I like the downtown strip clubs once in a while. There is something fun about crawling under a bar, or going through a hole in the wall in the men's john to get to your room that kind of turns my crank. Along with the gal I'm with for sure. So I'm up for all of that. And the casas. Go down town every other day at least for a casa visit. So lots to like about Centro. But I think it would not work for me to stay down there. My Spanish is okay. I can be understood for most normal things. I cannot always understand the Paisa street talk. Especially fast, but most people slow it down and polish it up if speaking to someone who only knows basic standard Spanish.

I guess what I'm saying is that I try to mix things in such a way as to stay happy. I do have to work on that. And sometimes I go to a lower priced hotel in Poblado for a few days. Or go for a morning coffee at an upscale place on Avenida Poblado. Along with dragging a chica through the men's bathroom at Ejectivo to get to bang her up the spiral staircase. Anyway. Lots of options, and potential for a few frustrations here and there. But a change of scene. Room. Various ways to treat yourself a bit. Cheers.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2347177]This begs the question as to how and where these gems are to be found. Where are these someones taking them from and taking them to? I have been to Colombia over 100 times but have never been in one place for an entire week, let alone two. Does that make me ineligible to be able to "figure it out?" How much time must one stay there in order to be privy to this mystical information? Can you give us more concrete things to go by instead of speaking abstractly and vaguely?[/QUOTE]Someone with 100 trips is not the same as the poster with little to no Spanish who has been here for only two days.

You don't need the advice he needs.

Did you really come down on your 99th trip and start the clock from zero? Sorry 'about the alzheimer's.

I've been having some lazy days. Not getting out of the apartment until after 1 pm and not doing too much. Today I took a nice afternoon walk to the Envigado metro station and rode to El Centro. My sole purpose there was to visit my favorite restaurant, Delicias Al Natural. From the owner I learned that a former active member of the board passed away last year. VegasJeff helped show a lot of people the ropes.

After lunch I decided to take a walk through Veracruz and Raudal as well as Botero Plaza. Raudal was first. At the 30-40 k price range, I saw 3 or 4 that I would consider. Walking Veracruz I noticed another 5 or 6 that looked like a bargain to me. There were even a couple at the corner of the Veracruz alley.

As reported by others, lots of Venezuelans were hanging around Botero Plaza. There were a few that looked quite nice. They tend to hang out in groups of 3 or 4.

Parque Bolivar is completely closed off for renovations, as is Parque Poblado. There seems to be bigger crowds around Parque Berrio.

Ended up in Poblado at the beginning of rush hour. Decided to stick around Parque Lleras until the traffic died down. For those who like hanging there, you might check out Chicka Boom Sports Bar across from Hooters. Looks like a Hooters knockoff. Went to Thaico for dinner. They still give you too much food and the price is reasonable.

While I was at Thaico there were a total of 12 tables of customers. 9 of them were gringos.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2347202]I have been in Germany a week now, and can tell you for a fact your not going to get quality pussy from day one for just a bit more in a FKK. In Berlin they have one FKK-Artemis and its 80 Euros or about $ 95 US just to get in and a thirty minute session with a covered BJ costs 60 Euros or about $ 65 US. So your looking at $ 155 USD for which I can get laid for a week in Medellin many times over.[/QUOTE]Point taken, there are lower priced FKKs though. My point was there's more of a learning curve for someone down here for a short period of time then say a place where the language is less of an issue, crime is less of an issue and the monger scene is more concentrated.

This guy who is down here now (not you), where would he have a better quality pussy time as a first timer:

1.) If he stayed in Medellin with someone who could show him the ropes or at mansion type place.

2.) Or by going to like a Campo in Curacao.

3.) Getting off the plane in Medellin with little to no Spanish and taking a taxi to a hotel near deGrief.

Sure #1 and #2 will cost more.

JMHO.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2347199]He has a few valid points, you do have to spend a lot of time in El Centro sampling the merchandise to find the performers.[/QUOTE]And a lot of girls disappear for a few weeks at a time or only work certain times of the month or year. Someone here for a short time might meet a gem go with her a few times and she really starts to open up. But then she wifes up with one of her regulars (MrE can figure out where they go. It's not rocket science) and then our new guy is back to square 1, his plane leaves in 3 days.

The guys who live here or have 100 trips under their belt don't care about just one babe because the black book has a million names cultivated over the years. The new guy does.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2347202]I have been in Germany a week now, and can tell you for a fact your not going to get quality pussy from day one for just a bit more in a FKK. In Berlin they have one FKK-Artemis and its 80 Euros or about $ 95 US just to get in and a thirty minute session with a covered BJ costs 60 Euros or about $ 65 US. So your looking at $ 155 USD for which I can get laid for a week in Medellin many times over.[/QUOTE]I just recently came back from a week long trip to Germany, and I stayed in the Frankfurt area. I visit the FKKs every year, and have been doing this for a good 14+ years. Indeed it is more expensive but it is a different environment. It is after all Europe, where everything is a bit more expensive than in Colombia. Not a good idea to compare the cost of getting laid in the FKKs versus Colombia. For one, you get different types of women. And it is not always covered BJ. I get BBBJ all the time, as I negotiate that in advance, plus other services. Some times, I am asked to pay more for the session but not always.

[QUOTE=Anukris;2346229]Is there a list of casas in laureles anyone is aware of. Any recommendations of casas in Laureles?

Thanks much![/QUOTE]There is only one or two casas in Laureles worth going to by all accounts.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2347360]I just recently came back from a week long trip to Germany, and I stayed in the Frankfurt area. I visit the FKKs every year, and have been doing this for a good 14+ years. Indeed it is more expensive but it is a different environment. It is after all Europe, where everything is a bit more expensive than in Colombia. Not a good idea to compare the cost of getting laid in the FKKs versus Colombia. For one, you get different types of women. And it is not always covered BJ. I get BBBJ all the time, as I negotiate that in advance, plus other services. Some times, I am asked to pay more for the session but not always.[/QUOTE]Yes, comparing mongering costs for Germany versus Colombia is like comparing apples to oranges. However, as far as service goes here in Berlin, it is sub-par big-time compared to what I am used to in Colombia and I have been to five different places here in Berlin.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2347360]I just recently came back from a week long trip to Germany, and I stayed in the Frankfurt area. I visit the FKKs every year, and have been doing this for a good 14+ years. Indeed it is more expensive but it is a different environment. It is after all Europe, where everything is a bit more expensive than in Colombia. Not a good idea to compare the cost of getting laid in the FKKs versus Colombia. For one, you get different types of women. And it is not always covered BJ. I get BBBJ all the time, as I negotiate that in advance, plus other services. Some times, I am asked to pay more for the session but not always.[/QUOTE]It's more than just price. Never been to FKK in Germany. Gringas aren't my style. But you also have to consider safety and security. Yes chicas are more expensive in Europe. But they also don't drug you with scopolamine, rob you or accidentally kill you with an overdose. Don't believe look up dead Canadian professor that got drugged and dumped by some paisitas. He was giving too much "papaya" is the paisa expression.

Although most won't admit it. There are a lot of members on here that have been robbed because of their easy going western ways. I myself have been victim to the thieves of Medellin. I almost got pickpocketed once. . I myself fell victim to a waiter that overcharged me with drinks because I didn't ask for the prices first and didn't verify the receipt. Yes Medellin is great and safe. But you always have to be alert. As an American coming from the nations capital. It gets tiring being on alert everyday.

Point is. Everything has a trade off. If I liked gringuitas and I had the money. I'the spend the extra and party in Western Europe where the culture is less cut throat. I'm sure the chicas there would rob me if I let me guard down. But st least I don't have to be worried about scopolamine, devils breath, or buudurnaga whatever you call it.

So I'm not new to the mongering scene but had a motorcycle accident 9 years ago that resulted me being in a wheelchair. Prior to that Germany, Belgium, the UK, Thailand and Japan where all places I had success. My favorite being the UK as with the influx of Eastern Europeans, it keeps prices down with gorgeous girls. Throw in orgy parties, can't beat it. Plus I was working in the UK and earning UK pounds. That was followed by FKK clubs in Germany. Since my accident I rely a lot more on outcall dates. I am also no stranger to dodgy scenes or dangerous areas whether walking or in the wheelchair. I've done dates with girls where their pimps been sitting in the corner playing video games.

I was thinking about making a tour of South America spending a month in Medellin and one in Bogota. From the posts about each City Bogota seems a little easier to navigate. I'd be interested and some of the locals views on how practical this is, keeping in mind wherever possible I don't let the wheelchair get in my way. I'm also opportunistic when it comes to the girls. From the street to the high-end and from 5 to 10's. (I do have some standards). I'm hoping they get the credit card system sorted out so I can send and receive PM's.

Is there an outcall scene? Was thinking staying at a decent hotel or Airbnb (I like my privacy) and use love hotels booked for multiple hours.

I am aware of the issues around lodging in Colombia and will have to be diligent to sort out an appropriate place.

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2347251]So I understand the concept of looking at a girl's friend list on facebook, and most likely her friends with provocative pictures are also hookers, but my question is: how do I even find the first girl to add on facebook? If anyone can give any pointers on what to search for, it would be greatly appreciated![/QUOTE]Most of the ladies have their friends list hidden. Here is a Facebook link for a lady whose friends you can see. [URL]https://www.facebook.com/tita.sanz.927[/URL] I did a quick scan and it appears that all her friends are gringos. You will need to look at her gringo friends and probably some of them will have their friends list open to everyone. Find ladies that way. As long as you have a real Facebook profile, you will get good responses to friend requests.

[QUOTE=Stone2673;2347556]So I'm not new to the mongering scene but had a motorcycle accident 9 years ago that resulted me being in a wheelchair. [/QUOTE]Colombia isn't very wheelchair friendly. You should come with a friend who can help you. In Medellin, especially, there were many buildings with no elevator and only a set of stairs. I wouldn't venture in centro alone in a wheelchair. You'd be too much of a target.

And don't listen to people who tell you Colombia is perfectly safe. There are murders and robberies happening all the time.

If you're going to do this try a more touristy city like Cartagena.

Hi everyone,

I'm new and planning a trip in Medellin. I'm looking for recommendation for casas in Medellin with the hottest girls. So far from what I read here, New Life is the best. Thank you for your recommendations.

After a day of doing practically nothing, I was sitting in the San Antonio station, waiting for a southbound train when my Venezuelan, from the movies Sunday night, sent me a message. Can I do her a favor?

She's been so good. Hasn't asked for anything. Checks in just to say Hello, every day. Let's me know she wants to see me again before I go. Just really easy to deal with. Can I do her a favor?

I was certain the next message would be a request for money. After all, isn't that what they always say? Can you do me a favor? I need money.

Not this time. She wants to come to the apartment to take some nude photos. Apparently, someone wants to pay her for photos. Nothing wrong with that and I get the benefit.

[QUOTE=Stone2673;2347556]So I'm not new to the mongering scene but had a motorcycle accident 9 years ago that resulted me being in a wheelchair. Prior to that Germany, Belgium, the UK, Thailand and Japan where all places I had success. My favorite being the UK as with the influx of Eastern Europeans, it keeps prices down with gorgeous girls. Throw in orgy parties, can't beat it. Plus I was working in the UK and earning UK pounds. That was followed by FKK clubs in Germany. Since my accident I rely a lot more on outcall dates. I am also no stranger to dodgy scenes or dangerous areas whether walking or in the wheelchair. I've done dates with girls where their pimps been sitting in the corner playing video games.

I was thinking about making a tour of South America spending a month in Medellin and one in Bogota. From the posts about each City Bogota seems a little easier to navigate. I'd be interested and some of the locals views on how practical this is, keeping in mind wherever possible I don't let the wheelchair get in my way. I'm also opportunistic when it comes to the girls. From the street to the high-end and from 5 to 10's. (I do have some standards). I'm hoping they get the credit card system sorted out so I can send and receive PM's.

Is there an outcall scene? Was thinking staying at a decent hotel or Airbnb (I like my privacy) and use love hotels booked for multiple hours.

I am aware of the issues around lodging in Colombia and will have to be diligent to sort out an appropriate place.[/QUOTE]If you're going to stay in Medellin, I'll suggest Laureles. Poblado has too many hills and wheelchair accessible places aren't common in El Centro. You'll need to be quite specific about your needs for an apartment. If their are any laws governing accessibility, they aren't enforced.

There is an outcall scene. Mainly it's through Facebook. Just a few posts down is a post telling you how to get started. Any account you can add is "Happy Ending Medellin. " Lots of working girls on that friend list.

Booked a trip to try Medellin out for the first time. Going with few other guys - 1 has been and is amped about the trip. We have a Air BNB? is has anyone ever went during the Festival of Flowers. We didn't think months ago when we booked and come to find out we are going to be there during the busiest time of year. Will this impact our opportunities. We do have a VIP service set up. Any recommendations horror stories good news about traveling during this time?

[QUOTE=Beobeo;2347726]Hi everyone,

I'm new and planning a trip in Medellin. I'm looking for recommendation for casas in Medellin with the hottest girls. So far from what I read here, New Life is the best. Thank you for your recommendations.[/QUOTE]There is no "the best" casa when you're talking about "the hottest girls. " New Life is the most popular casa, especially with the gringos. It's also one of the cleanest and usually has the largest lineup.

Finding the hottest girl is a sucker's game. You'll bounce to several casas, hoping to find one just a bit hotter, before deciding the hottest was at the first casa. By the time you return, she's gone for the day.

Picking a girl simply because she's the hottest is also going to lead to disappointment. Everyone else picks her every day. She doesn't need to work to impress anyone. She'll still make her money.

At a casa, I look for attitude. There's usually 1 or 2 that stand out. They look happy, they look excited to meet you and there's a bit of a challenge in their eyes. Those are the girls who will usually make sure you remember their names.

Your first step should be the Medellin Lists thread at the bottom of the page. Download the Medellin map. I usually suggest putting together a basic route of 3 casas: New Life, Aiffe and Sexxy Amigas. You can add more to the route as needed. You will likely find what you're looking for in 1 of the 3.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2347731]If you're going to stay in Medellin, I'll suggest Laureles. Poblado has too many hills and wheelchair accessible places aren't common in El Centro. You'll need to be quite specific about your needs for an apartment. If their are any laws governing accessibility, they aren't enforced.

There is an outcall scene. Mainly it's through Facebook. Just a few posts down is a post telling you how to get started. Any account you can add is "Happy Ending Medellin. " Lots of working girls on that friend list.[/QUOTE]I definitely second this, Laureles is your best shot. I would contact hotel / airbnb about wheelchair accessible first before booking. I normally would recommend San Peter building but its not wheelchair friendly, definitely girls friendly though.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2347728]........ my Venezuelan, from the movies Sunday night, sent me a message. Can I do her a favor?........... She wants to come to the apartment to take some nude photos.........[/QUOTE]She really meant to say "Can I do you a favor?".

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2347728]Apparently, someone wants to pay her for photos. [/QUOTE]Sharing is caring! Feel free to post them here.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2347862]There is no "the best" casa when you're talking about "the hottest girls. " New Life is the most popular casa, especially with the gringos. It's also one of the cleanest and usually has the largest lineup.

Finding the hottest girl is a sucker's game. You'll bounce to several casas, hoping to find one just a bit hotter, before deciding the hottest was at the first casa. By the time you return, she's gone for the day.

Picking a girl simply because she's the hottest is also going to lead to disappointment. Everyone else picks her every day. She doesn't need to work to impress anyone. She'll still make her money.

At a casa, I look for attitude. There's usually 1 or 2 that stand out. They look happy, they look excited to meet you and there's a bit of a challenge in their eyes. Those are the girls who will usually make sure you remember their names.

Your first step should be the Medellin Lists thread at the bottom of the page. Download the Medellin map. I usually suggest putting together a basic route of 3 casas: New Life, Aiffe and Sexxy Amigas. You can add more to the route as needed. You will likely find what you're looking for in 1 of the 3.[/QUOTE]I appreciated the tips and I do agree with you. Attitude is huge for me, I don't need no stuck up WG. I also have to find her attractive though, I prefer not to fuck any average 5. I prefer 7+ with good attitude. I probably prefer reasonably cleanliness, I don't want to fuck in a shit hole even with a hot girl. One place come to mind is Jakuza I thinl that's how it spell, if I see a girl I want to fuck there I probably get her number for takeout. Also, any shit hole casa I should avoid? Thanks.

I'm sitting in Plaza Mayorca waiting for the girl to arrive and a hot woman sits down nearby. She's fine, but I don't see any possibilities there.

A few minutes later a gringo sits down next to her. After playing with his phone for a few minutes, he strikes up a conversation. She speaks English. Pretty typical conversation. He's leading up to asking her out. She's friendly, but not jumping in his arms.

Finally he pops the question. She has a boyfriend. It was a reasonably gentle crash, but still entertaining.

Laureles is a better choice to avoid the steep hills of Poblado. Laureles is better than Centro because the streets are not as congested; it will be easier to move about in a wheelchair.

[QUOTE=Beobeo;2347887]I definitely second this, Laureles is your best shot. I would contact hotel / airbnb about wheelchair accessible first before booking. I normally would recommend San Peter building but its not wheelchair friendly, definitely girls friendly though.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2348036]Finally he pops the question. She has a boyfriend. It was a reasonably gentle crash, but still entertaining.[/QUOTE]Since when does that stop the show? Next question: Are you happy? Let's go out anyway. I won't scream if you won't holler. Etc.

Looks like some chica will be going on a spending spree. I hope dude doesn't have any lingering effects from the drug.

[QUOTE=NoShadow;2347775]Booked a trip to try Medellin out for the first time. Going with few other guys - 1 has been and is amped about the trip. We have a Air BNB? is has anyone ever went during the Festival of Flowers. We didn't think months ago when we booked and come to find out we are going to be there during the busiest time of year. Will this impact our opportunities. We do have a VIP service set up. Any recommendations horror stories good news about traveling during this time?[/QUOTE]You can look at it two ways; there are going to be a ton of people in town, traffic is going to suck, and a lot of girls are going to be partying instead of working. That being said, Medellin has a thriving mongering trade, and big festivals always bring outside talent and amateurs into town for a quick economic bump. Beyond that, lean into the festival. Check out all the food, the parades, soak in the culture. You've chanced in on Medellin's high festival, and it's going to be a party of epic proportions. It's all a matter of perspective.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2348085]Since when does that stop the show? Next question: Are you happy? Let's go out anyway. I won't scream if you won't holler. Etc.[/QUOTE]He tried. He even shifted to taking them both out to dinner. The show was stopped before it started.

It seems like I've worked my way into the friend zone with the Venezuelan. Either that or she's working the long game. Like I said before, things always change, just need to adapt to the changes.

Naturally she showed up late. When she was close I went down to escort her in and chatted with the porter until she pulled up. He gave me an envious look when I walked her by. Got up to the apartment and she made sure her hair and makeup were good before getting ready for the photo shoot. I got drafted to be the photographer with her new Samsung. Which means I don't have all the pictures. I did snap one while she was checking the photos.

Overall, spent about 90 minutes posing for stills and performing for 2 videos. Afterwards chatted for a bit before she left. The bad news, doesn't look like I'll be scoring there. Good news, other than the movie Sunday, I didn't give her any money. She paid for her own taxi each way. Plus, I'm happy with being 2 foot away while a hot girl is fingering herself.

However, that did leave me a bit frustrated, so I headed to El Centro. Took a stroll through Veracruz and Raudal. Once again saw several of interest, if I was looking for the street girls. Did have one tranny try to grab me in Veracruz alley. All else went well.

After that I headed to Bar Show Montijo. It's still a tiny shithole bar. Beers are 5 k. Fake lady beers are 6 k. Not counting the bartender there were 4 girls in the bar. 1 was okay and one was fine. I brought the fine one over and we started talking. I was feeling generous so ended up buying 4 lady beers for her and 2 beers for me. She asked if I wanted to go have fun for 60 k.

There's only 1 tiny room, but it's easily accessible and has something resembling a shower. The girl had a Blasian look to her, was about 20,4'11" and maybe 85#. She had a bit of a tiny belly, but not bad. Once in the room she attacked with DFK and rode me hard. Definitely was better than I expected.

Anyone know if there is still any after hours action?

I remember some years back there was La Manzana and another spot called Casablanca. Both started up around 3 am and kept it going till 7-8 a. Both were in Centro about a 5 min taxi ride from each other. There was another place too called Gordos but that spot was more scary for me. Lots of dudes with their guns right on the table.

[QUOTE=Bonhead;2348227]Anyone know if there is still any after hours action?

I remember some years back there was La Manzana and another spot called Casablanca. Both started up around 3 am and kept it going till 7-8 a. Both were in Centro about a 5 min taxi ride from each other. There was another place too called Gordos but that spot was more scary for me. Lots of dudes with their guns right on the table.[/QUOTE]The biggest after hours club is Club Fahrenheit in Itagui. I'm sure there are others.

[QUOTE=Bonhead;2348227]Anyone know if there is still any after hours action?

I remember some years back there was La Manzana and another spot called Casablanca. Both started up around 3 am and kept it going till 7-8 a. Both were in Centro about a 5 min taxi ride from each other. There was another place too called Gordos but that spot was more scary for me. Lots of dudes with their guns right on the table.[/QUOTE]I thought the whole notion is to stay the fuck away from Centro after dark? I was told not to go there at night unless in a tank or bulletproof shell.

Is the Art Hotel Boutique chica-friendly? Anyone ever stayed there who can give a review / report on whether it's a good base for mongering activities?

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2348137]Looks like some chica will be going on a spending spree. I hope dude doesn't have any lingering effects from the drug.[/QUOTE]Instead of doing the smart thing and letting it go he's going to play "detective. " he's lucky he is still alive after that.

Don't meet chicas on tinder who don't have ID and take you out drinking. Not a good idea.

Before heading to Medellin I searched and searched for hours and you guys did not disappoint. Between using this forum and google, I was able to find new life and aifee. Both were a great time and I wouldn't have found it without the assists from you all. To all newbies (like myself) put in the work. It sucks but is worth it. Dulce at aifee was great but jayralee (something like that) was amazing at new life. DT for 10 minutes and did anything I asked. Will be back!

Yea the rooms in that place suck. But you can take them out to the hotel across the street. I believe its the same price, but you got to pay for the hotel room.

[QUOTE=Beobeo;2348031]I appreciated the tips and I do agree with you. Attitude is huge for me, I don't need no stuck up WG. I also have to find her attractive though, I prefer not to fuck any average 5. I prefer 7+ with good attitude. I probably prefer reasonably cleanliness, I don't want to fuck in a shit hole even with a hot girl. One place come to mind is Jakuza I thinl that's how it spell, if I see a girl I want to fuck there I probably get her number for takeout. Also, any shit hole casa I should avoid? Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2348305]Instead of doing the smart thing and letting it go he's going to play "detective. " he's lucky he is still alive after that.

Don't meet chicas on tinder who don't have ID and take you out drinking. Not a good idea.[/QUOTE]The time to play detective is actually before you meet up with the chica if you go the online route. This is not unique to Tinder as the girls have expanded to just about every online dating type site. I know a guy that had a similar thing happen with a chica from Cupid. As mentioned b4, some guys are too embarrassed to say anything so you don't hear about it so at least this guy shared his experience.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2348357]The time to play detective is actually before you meet up with the chica if you go the online route. This is not unique to Tinder as the girls have expanded to just about every online dating type site. I know a guy that had a similar thing happen with a chica from Cupid. As mentioned b4, some guys are too embarrassed to say anything so you don't hear about it so at least this guy shared his experience.[/QUOTE]I received a message on Secret Benefits from a Medellin chica today. She looks good if you are into spinners. I wonder how she knew I would be interested in Medellin.

[QUOTE=FortuneWaffers;2348288]I thought the whole notion is to stay the fuck away from Centro after dark? I was told not to go there at night unless in a tank or bulletproof shell.[/QUOTE]It depends on a few things, which part of El Centro your in and whether your an obvious foreigner.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2348445]It depends on a few things, which part of El Centro your in and whether your an obvious foreigner.[/QUOTE]And whether you walk around with that "deer in the headlights" look, whether you look at every Colombian as if they are about to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] or murder you, whether you lose control of your bladder when you see a passed out druggie and whether or not you have any idea where you're going.

[QUOTE=FortuneWaffers;2348288]I thought the whole notion is to stay the fuck away from Centro after dark? I was told not to go there at night unless in a tank or bulletproof shell.[/QUOTE]Yes by all means scared rabbits should not even think about El Centro at night.

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2347251]Hi all,

So I understand the concept of looking at a girl's friend list on facebook, and most likely her friends with provocative pictures are also hookers, but my question is: how do I even find the first girl to add on facebook? If anyone can give any pointers on what to search for, it would be greatly appreciated![/QUOTE]Here is something I wrote sometime back.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2334187]No need to be in Medellin for making a friendlist. You need to be in Medellin for the girls to take you seriously over FB chat.

Below is a list with friends who have open friends tab I. E you can see all their friends:

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/alka.line.16547008[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/juanita.londono.9634/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100011323845278[/URL] -- pretty sure most the girls in his friendlist will accept your request.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/Malcolm.Babygrand.Flythe[/URL] -- most the his friends are also prepagos.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/ray.paris.5661[/URL]

Just keep adding the friends from above profiles and don't over do it to trigger FB spam detectors. Also don't forget to add gringos to your list. Will later help you to know who is a prepago and who is not.[/QUOTE]

Now if somebody could also write how to crack Phillipines FB scene. Can't make any inroads in finding Filipino FB chicas.

Just caught her at Sara. So nice and friendly. 4'10" maybe 90 lbs wet. Get her while she is there.

Cra 45 (El Palo) No. 57 - 71 - 2 DO. Piso.

Tel 254 86 22.

There were maybe 12 girls to pick from. She's was by far the best. A solid 8. 5 on my scale. The rest were 6. 5's and below.

[QUOTE=TravisMcGee;2348290]Is the Art Hotel Boutique chica-friendly? Anyone ever stayed there who can give a review / report on whether it's a good base for mongering activities?[/QUOTE]Taken from [URL]Agoda.com[/URL] reviews solo traveler.

"If you are coming to Medellin to enjoy yourself and to have fun this hotel is in a great location BUT if you want to have a guest they will charge you $45 US for every guest that you bring in. Even if its the same person every day, you will be charged. When I use to stay here they only asked for the guests identification card, now its changed in a bad way. ".

Best.

Guido88.

Question: Have anybody here ever successfully gotten a session from a girl they met on Myfreecams? I ask because it's pretty much all Colombians in the South American section and so many hot chicas who we can clearly see how they look via cam, so no worries of outdated photos. I keep getting turned down when I ask to visit them in Colombia, do none of these girls trick on the side in your guy's experience?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2348456]And whether you walk around with that "deer in the headlights" look, whether you look at every Colombian as if they are about to murder you, whether you lose control of your bladder when you see a passed out druggie and whether or not you have any idea where you're going.[/QUOTE]And you have all those dazed and confused sacaleros, along with the she-males waiting for a gringo to walk the gauntlet.

I reported before that Motel Ibiza is now checking cedulas and handing out flyers about trafficking. Apparently, they're not the only motel that's changing things up.

Yesterday morning I met a former ATF in Laureles. After some breakfast we walked to Esplendor 70 and were turned away. They only will rent if everyone entering has a Colombian cedula. Fortunately, Suites 44 is just a block away and they had no problem renting me a room.

Yesterday evening met up with last week's 3 some for a repeat. Decided to try Kuboz Suites on Carrera 33. They also insisted that everyone must have a Colombian cedula. Flagged down another taxi and went back to Ibiza.

If you use love motels, save yourself some frustration and check with the motel first.

My former ATF has been on me for 2 months about seeing her while I was in Medellin. However, we've been having scheduling issues. Last Saturday was supposed to be her day, but then her period started, causing her to push it back to Thursday.

Yesterday morning we met at the Estadio metro station. Timing was almost perfect. I arrived 5 minutes before her and at 11:10 we were sitting at a restaurant looking at menus. At 11:12 the waiter was explaining that he couldn't take our orders or bring us anything to drink until 11:30. Ah Colombia. Why did you even bring us menus?

A short walk brought us to another restaurant which had no problems serving us, once we got their attention. After a nice late breakfast, we walked another 2 blocks to Motel Esplendor 70, only to be turned away. All persons entering require a Colombian cedula. Another short walk brought us to Suites 44. They had no problems serving us.

Basic rooms cost 40 k and include air conditioning, sound system, TV and a small bathroom with hot water. Room was nice and clean and comfortable.

The last year or so has been rough on the girl. I think she's 32 now and she's lost some weight that she couldn't afford to lose. She's still sweet and friendly, always shows up clean and smelling good and her head game is still too notch. She's also someone who puts in an effort to get the job done.

We covered all the bases, but I just couldn't get there. It happens from time to time and I don't sweat it, especially when the girl is trying her best. I'd already thrown in the towel when she decided to give it one more try. That's when we found out her period wasn't quite finished.

She went to extreme measures to keep me from noticing, not realizing I'd already seen the carnage. It doesn't bother me, I've ridden the RedBall Express many times. I let her believe I hadn't noticed anything and headed to the shower. I don't know how big of a mess we made, but when I came out of the shower, she had placed a pillow over the spot where her ass was. I'm pretty sure that sheet went to the dumpster.

It was a good session for old times sake.

Had a great session yesterday. Took a friend visiting Meddy to a casa, it is a place with a blue door and they don't have fliers. Anyway, there were several chicas and one that came out would not let go of my hand when we shook hands. She was really cute, big full lips, big ass, small waist, big tits and trigueña complexion. Kept smiling at me while holding my hand and had a perfect smile and positive energy so I chose her.

In the room she was all smiles and playful. Good BBBJ so I gave her a 20 mil propina. Sex was good as we did several different positions and even after I came we kept stroking for awhile. When we finished and I cleaned up, I got hard again just looking at her and she grabbed my dick again and started kissing me on my neck. I told her I hoped to catch her again if I ever come back and she insisted I take her WhatsApp. Very cool girl.

For those looking for something different, I'm sharing this flyer I was handed yesterday. Maybe one of you chaps can try it and report back.

[QUOTE=RudeBwoy100;2348585]Question: Have anybody here ever successfully gotten a session from a girl they met on Myfreecams? I ask because it's pretty much all Colombians in the South American section and so many hot chicas who we can clearly see how they look via cam, so no worries of outdated photos. I keep getting turned down when I ask to visit them in Colombia, do none of these girls trick on the side in your guy's experience?[/QUOTE]Myfreecams is the most difficult webcam site for a model to make money on. If she's making money on MFC, she's earning the equivalent of $200 k US per year, minimum. If she's ranked in the top 250, bump that up to $350 k US. That's working less than 20 hours per week.

In addition, 9 out of 10 Colombian webcam models are working for a studio. That means every PM you send, every tip note, is also being read by the studio's monitor.

The studio is going to frown on their model hooking on the side and the model doesn't want to take a pay cut to deal with a sweaty gringo.

You have 3 options, 2 are expensive.

1. Become her top tipper. Every single show, spend $300+ on tips. Send her presents, expensive ones. Be sweet and polite. Make her laugh. Never unload your problems on her. If you do everything right, after spending $50-$100 k over 12 months, she might be willing to have lunch with you. Then if you really impress her, you might, after several dates, get her in bed with you.

2. There's an MFC model who sells 1 week vacations with her. It costs 100,000 tokens in a single tip ($8,000). She picks the destination, you pay all the expenses. Figure on spending another $10 k minimum. There's no guarantee of sex, but your chances are good. I've met her and she's definitely drop-dead gorgeous.

3. Connect with girls through Facebook. Chat with them. Tell them you like webcams. Chances are good you'll find one who tried webcam, but didn't make any money.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2348735]Had a great session yesterday. Took a friend visiting Meddy to a casa, it is a place with a blue door and they don't have fliers. Anyway, there were several chicas and one that came out would not let go of my hand when we shook hands. She was really cute, big full lips, big ass, small waist, big tits and triguea complexion. Kept smiling at me while holding my hand and had a perfect smile and positive energy so I chose her.

In the room she was all smiles and playful. Good BBBJ so I gave her a 20 mil propina. Sex was good as we did several different positions and even after I came we kept stroking for awhile. When we finished and I cleaned up, I got hard again just looking at her and she grabbed my dick again and started kissing me on my neck. I told her I hoped to catch her again if I ever come back and she insisted I take her WhatsApp. Very cool girl.

For those looking for something different, I'm sharing this flyer I was handed yesterday. Maybe one of you chaps can try it and report back.[/QUOTE]A place with a blue door that's 1 block south of a place with a red door?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2348764]Myfreecams is the most difficult webcam site for a model to make money on. If she's making money on MFC, she's earning the equivalent of $200 k US per year, minimum. If she's ranked in the top 250, bump that up to $350 k US. That's working less than 20 hours per week.

In addition, 9 out of 10 Colombian webcam models are working for a studio. That means every PM you send, every tip note, is also being read by the studio's monitor.

The studio is going to frown on their model hooking on the side and the model doesn't want to take a pay cut to deal with a sweaty gringo.

You have 3 options, 2 are expensive.

1. Become her top tipper. Every single show, spend $300+ on tips. Send her presents, expensive ones. Be sweet and polite. Make her laugh. Never unload your problems on her. If you do everything right, after spending $50-$100 k over 12 months, she might be willing to have lunch with you. Then if you really impress her, you might, after several dates, get her in bed with you.

2. There's an MFC model who sells 1 week vacations with her. It costs 100,000 tokens in a single tip ($8,000). She picks the destination, you pay all the expenses. Figure on spending another $10 k minimum. There's no guarantee of sex, but your chances are good. I've met her and she's definitely drop-dead gorgeous.

3. Connect with girls through Facebook. Chat with them. Tell them you like webcams. Chances are good you'll find one who tried webcam, but didn't make any money.[/QUOTE]I actually never watch the girls who gets tonnes of tips and attention as the only reason I use MFC is because I get to talk to the girls, practice my Spanish and if it's not interactive I wouldn't ever buy tokens-- I prefer talking to the new girls or the girls with not many fans & don't make much $. Thanks for telling me that most of them work for agencies though who monitor their PMs, I guess that's the reason why none of them seem down to make some money on the side. I'm going to try and get their what's app if that's the case and see if they become more receptive, I have so many of them on my favorites that I'd love to hook up with in person, if I'm successfully in getting their what's app and find they're more receptive I will post ITT telling people that this is another route of mongering.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2348735]For those looking for something different, I'm sharing this flyer I was handed yesterday. Maybe one of you chaps can try it and report back.[/QUOTE]I sent a whatsapp message asking for the address and in return received that as well as the 3rd degree!:

Direccion: Carrera 47 # 59 - 10. Sucre con Cuba. Sector Villa Nueva. Centro de Medellin.

Hay tres parqueaderos afuera. Fcil parqueo. si eres malo para las direcciones. Un taxi te deja en toda la puerta.

Antes de empezar hacer cualquier tipo de preguntas por favor lea esto detenidamente para no hacer preguntas que no vienen al caso:

El servicio es solo en la sede. Repetimos.

El servicio es SOLO en la sede. El servicio via WhatsApp, es solo para una informacion basica.

No es para mandar fotos, ni chatear, ni mucho menos mandar videos. Repetimos.

No es para mandar fotos, ni chatear, ni mucho menos mandar videos. Es solo para esta informacion basica.

Tarifas:
Media Hora: $ 40.000.
Una Hora: $ 60.000.

Horarios:
Lunes a Sabados. 10:30 am a 7:00 pm. Ni Domingos, ni Festivos.

Tanto como el personal, como la clientela, es a partir de 18 aos LOGICAMENTE! NO podemos dar mas informaciand por este medio.

Por favor. No mas Preguntas. Repetimos. NO podemos dar mas informacion por este medio. Por favor. No mas Preguntas!! Todos LOS detalles o cualquier otra pregunta. SOLO personalmente sin ningun compromiso.

La entrada es gratis. TE ESPERAMOS! Repetimos. NO SE MANDAN FOTOSSSS!!

[QUOTE=RudeBwoy100;2348822]I actually never watch the girls who gets tonnes of tips and attention as the only reason I use MFC is because I get to talk to the girls, practice my Spanish and if it's not interactive I wouldn't ever buy tokens-- I prefer talking to the new girls or the girls with not many fans & don't make much $. Thanks for telling me that most of them work for agencies though who monitor their PMs, I guess that's the reason why none of them seem down to make some money on the side. I'm going to try and get their what's app if that's the case and see if they become more receptive, I have so many of them on my favorites that I'd love to hook up with in person, if I'm successfully in getting their what's app and find they're more receptive I will post ITT telling people that this is another route of mongering.[/QUOTE]Good luck with that. It's another route of mongering the same way that going to the grocery store and offering women money for sex is another route of mongering.

If you're just going after the beginning girls in Colombia, you're at 10 of 10 for working with a studio. Who do you think is buying the cameras, laptops and lighting, plus paying for the fiber connection, plus providing a place to broadcast from? Plus the studio is paying the girl a minimum to support her until she starts making money. They've got a lot invested and they aren't getting a share of anything she makes on the side.

Of course it all depends on the studio. Most of the the models either work for AJ Studio, CM Studio, or Juan Bustos Studio. They are all big players, with several thousand models between them. They'll either ignore you, or worst case block you. There are also dozens of studios, run be a few wannabe pimps. You might have a chance there, if the pimp thinks there's enough of a profit to be made. Hardly worth the effort when there are 20,000 women in Medellin who will be happy to take your money.

I've written about this extensively here. I know dozens of current and former webcam girls. I had a successful webcam model for a roommate for 10 months. I spent almost a year working with webcam models. I got to hear all about the guys who think a webcam model is just a prepago. I've watched hundreds of guys get shot down trying to do just what you're trying. I've also watched guys bankrupt themselves trying to win a webcam model. I've watched guys self-destruct when they find out their favorite model has a boyfriend. It's all intended to be a fantasy world. Trying to make it real is a waste of time.

Webcams are great, for people who enjoy them, and I did for years. They're not so great if you're trying to meet real women.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2348698]I reported before that Motel Ibiza is now checking cedulas and handing out flyers about trafficking. Apparently, they're not the only motel that's changing things up.

Yesterday morning I met a former ATF in Laureles. After some breakfast we walked to Esplendor 70 and were turned away. They only will rent if everyone entering has a Colombian cedula. Fortunately, Suites 44 is just a block away and they had no problem renting me a room.

Yesterday evening met up with last week's 3 some for a repeat. Decided to try Kuboz Suites on Carrera 33. They also insisted that everyone must have a Colombian cedula. Flagged down another taxi and went back to Ibiza.

If you use love motels, save yourself some frustration and check with the motel first.[/QUOTE]Can you please clarify the problems you had at the Love Motels regarding the Cedulas. I am assuming that your girl had a Cedula and you don't. Did you present them with a copy of your Passport and they still would not allow you in?

What did the flyers say about trafficking? If you have a copy can you post it.

Were these hotels only in Laureles or in other locations that rejected you?

Although I have a Colombian Cedula, I have never been asked to show it at any of the Love Motels I frequent in EL Centro.

If all of the Love Hotels start requiring Cedulas for entrance due to some new decree, that's going to be issue for a lot of guys.

Any information you can provide would be helpful to others.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2348823]I sent a whatsapp message asking for the address and in return received that as well as the 3rd degree!:

Direccion: Carrera 47 # 59 - 10. Sucre con Cuba. Sector Villa Nueva. Centro de Medellin.

Hay tres parqueaderos afuera. Fcil parqueo. si eres malo para las direcciones. Un taxi te deja en toda la puerta.

Antes de empezar hacer cualquier tipo de preguntas por favor lea esto detenidamente para no hacer preguntas que no vienen al caso:.[/QUOTE]This is bizarre please translate what your getting for your money besides free entrance, no sending photos or videos or chatting, and that they are waiting for you with three parking spaces out front and are closed on Sundays and Holidays.

I found this post on the website of a hotel I have used.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fmotelthematicsuites%2Fposts%2F1321010498064566&width=500[/URL]

Quick question. I'll be in Medellin come October does Hotel Nutibara have an ATM on the premises or is there one close by?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2348861]This is bizarre please translate what your getting for your money besides free entrance, no sending photos or videos or chatting, and that they are waiting for you with three parking spaces out front and are closed on Sundays and Holidays.[/QUOTE]There are 3 parking lots outside close to to place, so there is ample parking. 40K for 30 min or 60K for 1 hour. The whatsapp number was only to send you directions (if you can't find it from that, they said take a taxi). They don't want you begging for pictures or videos or trying to chat on the whatsapp number.

There is nothing new about this place except their latest advertising tactic. It seems to be working because here we are talking about it. It is known as 'balcones de Cuba'. Search that name on this forum for all the particulars. Barcelona is very close. I'm not big on either venue but of course YMMV. I look forward to reading the latest from new visitors.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2348823]I sent a whatsapp message asking for the address and in return received that as well as the 3rd degree!:

Direccion: Carrera 47 # 59 - 10. Sucre con Cuba. Sector Villa Nueva. Centro de Medellin.

Hay tres parqueaderos afuera. Fcil parqueo. si eres malo para las direcciones. Un taxi te deja en toda la puerta.

Antes de empezar hacer cualquier tipo de preguntas por favor lea esto detenidamente para no hacer preguntas que no vienen al caso:[/QUOTE]

C'Mon. Surf, you know what's happening here. There has been political pressure on the Laureles motels for years. There are business and political interests who hate the explosion of motels and bars with backrooms that we like over the past 10 years. I think we both know you are not going to see this policy in Centro short time places.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2348855]Can you please clarify the problems you had at the Love Motels regarding the Cedulas. I am assuming that your girl had a Cedula and you don't. Did you present them with a copy of your Passport and they still would not allow you in?

What did the flyers say about trafficking? If you have a copy can you post it.

Were these hotels only in Laureles or in other locations that rejected you?

Although I have a Colombian Cedula, I have never been asked to show it at any of the Love Motels I frequent in EL Centro.

If all of the Love Hotels start requiring Cedulas for entrance due to some new decree, that's going to be issue for a lot of guys.

Any information you can provide would be helpful to others.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2348891]I found this post on the website of a hotel I have used.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fmotelthematicsuites%2Fposts%2F1321010498064566&width=500[/URL][/QUOTE]It's been my experience that Hotels that also rent rooms short time besides long term (a day or more) will ask for an ID / Cedula whereas for a few hours don't typically ask for an ID.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2348895]There are 3 parking lots outside close to to place, so there is ample parking. 40K for 30 min or 60K for 1 hour. The whatsapp number was only to send you directions (if you can't find it from that, they said take a taxi). They don't want you begging for pictures or videos or trying to chat on the whatsapp number.[/QUOTE]Thanks Mr. E, so this is a casa so know I understand as it wasn't clear to me what the information was related to.

You would think some of these casa's would have websites with this information along with photo's and directions. Maybe some of them do in Medellin but I wouldn't know, however if I ran a casa in Medellin I would have one for sure, but perhaps the casa owners don't have them for other reasons.

I have met a girl on Col Cupid that worked on Camsoda, she said she made very little money and was going to stop. Never heard of the myfreecams, have watched one other free cam site. She said there are tons of colombians and Paisas on Camsoda and I do see alot. I agree with JJbee I bet you have to tip alot and / or send presents, I am too cheap when I can watch free porn or go to MDE and see real women for not much more than a few hours of tokens.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2348764]Myfreecams is the most difficult webcam site for a model to make money on. If she's making money on MFC, she's earning the equivalent of $200 k US per year, minimum. If she's ranked in the top 250, bump that up to $350 k US. That's working less than 20 hours per week.

In addition, 9 out of 10 Colombian webcam models are working for a studio. That means every PM you send, every tip note, is also being read by the studio's monitor.

The studio is going to frown on their model hooking on the side and the model doesn't want to take a pay cut to deal with a sweaty gringo.

You have 3 options, 2 are expensive.

1. Become her top tipper. Every single show, spend $300+ on tips. Send her presents, expensive ones. Be sweet and polite. Make her laugh. Never unload your problems on her. If you do everything right, after spending $50-$100 k over 12 months, she might be willing to have lunch with you. Then if you really impress her, you might, after several dates, get her in bed with you.

2. There's an MFC model who sells 1 week vacations with her. It costs 100,000 tokens in a single tip ($8,000). She picks the destination, you pay all the expenses. Figure on spending another $10 k minimum. There's no guarantee of sex, but your chances are good. I've met her and she's definitely drop-dead gorgeous.

3. Connect with girls through Facebook. Chat with them. Tell them you like webcams. Chances are good you'll find one who tried webcam, but didn't make any money.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2348931]I have met a girl on Col Cupid that worked on Camsoda, she said she made very little money and was going to stop. Never heard of the myfreecams, have watched one other free cam site. She said there are tons of colombians and Paisas on Camsoda and I do see alot. I agree with JJbee I bet you have to tip alot and / or send presents, I am too cheap when I can watch free porn or go to MDE and see real women for not much more than a few hours of tokens.[/QUOTE]Camsoda has an exclusive contract with AJ studios in Colombia. I worked with a Camsoda model and we had to give 5% of her tips directly to them. They're a huge outfit. Worldwide.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2348918]C'Mon. Surf, you know what's happening here. There has been political pressure on the Laureles motels for years. There are business and political interests who hate the explosion of motels and bars with backrooms that we like over the past 10 years. I think we both know you are not going to see this policy in Centro short time places.[/QUOTE]I don't know much about Laureles as I have only been there a few times.

Are you saying that the Motel owners are being asked to only rent rooms to persons with Cedulas. So this means a foreigner with a Passport cannot rent a room, or only if overnight?

Sounds a bit extreme if that is what is happening.

Perhaps JB2 can shed a little more light on the situation as posed by my questions in an earlier post.

Thanks, but it is on the Map and list.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2348823]I sent a whatsapp message asking for the address and in return received that as well as the 3rd degree!:

Direccion: Carrera 47 # 59 - 10. Sucre con Cuba. Sector Villa Nueva. Centro de Medellin.

Hay tres parqueaderos afuera. Fcil parqueo. si eres malo para las direcciones. Un taxi te deja en toda la puerta.

Antes de empezar hacer cualquier tipo de preguntas por favor lea esto detenidamente para no hacer preguntas que no vienen al caso:

El servicio es solo en la sede. Repetimos.

El servicio es SOLO en la sede. El servicio via WhatsApp, es solo para una informacion basica.

No es para mandar fotos, ni chatear, ni mucho menos mandar videos. Repetimos.

No es para mandar fotos, ni chatear, ni mucho menos mandar videos. Es solo para esta informacion basica.

Tarifas:
Media Hora: $ 40.000., Una Hora: $ 60.000.

Horarios:
Lunes a Sabados. 10:30 am a 7:00 pm. Ni Domingos, ni Festivos.

Tanto como el personal, como la clientela, es a partir de 18 aos LOGICAMENTE! NO podemos dar mas informaciand por este medio.

Por favor. No mas Preguntas. Repetimos. NO podemos dar mas informacion por este medio. Por favor. No mas Preguntas!! Todos LOS detalles o cualquier otra pregunta. SOLO personalmente sin ningun compromiso.

La entrada es gratis. TE ESPERAMOS! Repetimos. NO SE MANDAN FOTOSSSS!![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RudeBwoy100;2348585]Question: Have anybody here ever successfully gotten a session from a girl they met on Myfreecams? I ask because it's pretty much all Colombians in the South American section and so many hot chicas who we can clearly see how they look via cam, so no worries of outdated photos. I keep getting turned down when I ask to visit them in Colombia, do none of these girls trick on the side in your guy's experience?[/QUOTE]I had two experience with MFC.

The first one the girl was new and a pot head. She was on her firends who I was actually obsessed with. She met me at santa fe commercial for lunch,. She was cool, we ate ice cream after and made out. I think I saw her agian but we didn't fuck. She was doing it sort of just figing things out but I did find out more info about her friend. It was cool but I just never followed thru.

The other one was a STUNNER 19 yo that lived in Bogota. I sent her 100 and she met me in person in Bogota with her cousin who also was on cam. Her english was perfect and she was saying money to get her ass done. She had a beautful face and nice tits but a flat ass. She was like 5 7 too. Anyway. She came to my apartment and said she wanted to borrow moeny for the surgery. I didn't pay but we did make out and fuck. The sex was ok but I did get to cum on her face.

In my opinion, pulling a girl from MFC is possible but it requires a lot of effort and there is no guarentee. I think it is mostly Ego. Like you can do it then you feel like speicla cause not many girls will met offline. I guess I am good at persuasion because it takes a lot of messages ans trust to be built. Also if you try to go for a girl, you got to get her when she is new before she knows about the game and all that. It is possible but you know good luck,. You are better off with photoprepago or something.

Yes there is an ATM in the Nutibara and there are several nearby.

[QUOTE=Brooklyn658;2348893]Quick question. I'll be in Medellin come October does Hotel Nutibara have an ATM on the premises or is there one close by?[/QUOTE]

That is the deal basically. Neighborhood and business leaders have been speaking out against rising crime in Laureles in the media the past few years. They recently began zeroing in on the huge increase in motels around Laureles. The theme of the editorials is pretty similar to the blowback against the Lleras scene. The motels are seen as both symptoms and causes of increased sex tourism, drug trade, noise and general family unfriendliness. The cedula crackdown is a tactic to rein in what's viewed as uncontrolled honky tonk expansion in what has traditionally been a quiet residential area, except for the foreigner infested la 70/ Avenida Nutibara axis of course. I don't think even the most reactionary conservative puritan imagines there is a way to turn the tide in Centro. The thought of one of the short time places around Veracruz turning somebody away for lack of a Colombian cedula, or even asking for any ID to begin with makes me smile.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2349018]I don't know much about Laureles as I have only been there a few times.

Are you saying that the Motel owners are being asked to only rent rooms to persons with Cedulas. So this means a foreigner with a Passport cannot rent a room, or only if overnight?

Sounds a bit extreme if that is what is happening.

Perhaps JB2 can shed a little more light on the situation as posed by my questions in an earlier post.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2349261]The cedula crackdown is a tactic to rein in what's viewed as uncontrolled honky tonk expansion in what has traditionally been a quiet residential area, except for the foreigner infested la 70/ Avenida Nutibara axis of course.[/QUOTE]At any time, day or night, if someone walks from UPB to the metro station, I doubt they will see 2% foreigners among all the people on LA 70. Avenida Nutibara will have a few more foreigners because it goes through the first and second parks area. LA 70 is a playground for the locals.

I am a Centro rat. To me it seems like a lot of foreigners.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2349302]At any time, day or night, if someone walks from UPB to the metro station, I doubt they will see 2% foreigners among all the people on LA 70. Avenida Nutibara will have a few more foreigners because it goes through the first and second parks area. LA 70 is a playground for the locals.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2349261]except for the foreigner infested la 70/ Avenida Nutibara axis of course[/QUOTE]I used to enjoy La 70 but I don't go near there anymore.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2349261] The thought of one of the short time places around Veracruz turning somebody away for lack of a Colombian cedula, or even asking for any ID to begin with makes me smile.[/QUOTE]Well, keep smiling then.

There's at least a couple of the short time motels on Veracruz that do and have been checking Cedulas for a while.

Also, got turned away by a few motels in el Centro with my Venezolana, because she only had a Venezuelan Cedula.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2349018]I don't know much about Laureles as I have only been there a few times.

Are you saying that the Motel owners are being asked to only rent rooms to persons with Cedulas. So this means a foreigner with a Passport cannot rent a room, or only if overnight?

Sounds a bit extreme if that is what is happening.

Perhaps JB2 can shed a little more light on the situation as posed by my questions in an earlier post.[/QUOTE]Well, I tried. Apparently answering your questions and posting photos of the flyer that is being handed out at Motel Ibiza violates some obscure site rule, because the post has either been blocked by one of the admins, or abducted by aliens.

I'll try a short and sweet response.

2 Love Motels in Laureles specified that every person is required to have a Colombian cedula in order to rent a room from them. They weren't interested in my passport. They were also rather rude by Colombian standards.

My opinion is that this is part of a push back against sex tourism.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2349418]Well, keep smiling then.
There's at least a couple of the short time motels on Veracruz that do and have been checking Cedulas for a while..[/QUOTE]You must have spent quite a lot of your time to find them... (Smiling trying to show all upper and lower teeth like only Jim Carrey can do)

[QUOTE=Balboa;2349418]Well, keep smiling then.

There's at least a couple of the short time motels on Veracruz that do and have been checking Cedulas for a while.

Also, got turned away by a few motels in el Centro with my Venezolana, because she only had a Venezuelan Cedula.[/QUOTE]I chatted with the Kuboz reception yesterday and they wrote back that an American passport meets the ID requirement. But JJBee4 posted that they would not rent a room to him. Is it the chicas ID that is causing the problem or is it the American passport? Is policy being enforced arbitrarily?

In the meantime I was cruising Mileroticos yesterday in preparation and it seems that new erotic places are opening since last August. The Blue Room seems to have upgraded. I think it was closed for a time. It is open 24 hours now.

https://casablueroom.com/contactenos/

I just booked at Hotel Torre Poblado. Hope its chica friendly I'm sure it is it was recommended to me by a FB girl. Any board members traveling to Medellin the last week of August and want to link up. I should be getting my membership in a day or so I'm fluent in Spanish hmu.

I have been wanting to scope out Medellin for past few years but always stopped short because I hate brotal sex and that pretty seem to be the only option in medellin.

Or at least whenever I looked it up.

Are things any better?

And why we can't discuss about hotel M any more at this place?

[QUOTE=Margaya;2349535]I have been wanting to scope out Medellin for past few years but always stopped short because I hate brotal sex and that pretty seem to be the only option in medellin.

Or at least whenever I looked it up.

Are things any better?

And why we can't discuss about hotel M any more at this place?[/QUOTE]In my 4 trips to MED in the last 2 years I have only been in Casa's like twice. I hit the street chicks and strip clubs, find a couple I like and meet them later after a test drive for dinner and my hotel fun.

I do peek in Yakuza which is sort of a Casa but always take the girl across the street to my hotel.

[QUOTE=Margaya;2349535]I have been wanting to scope out Medellin for past few years but always stopped short because I hate brotal sex and that pretty seem to be the only option in medellin.

Or at least whenever I looked it up.

Are things any better?

And why we can't discuss about hotel M any more at this place?[/QUOTE]Seems you have not been reading the forum. Most reports here do not talk about going to brothels. Most talk about freelancers. Why would you want to discuss Hotel M since that is pretty much a brothel and you said you hate brothel sex?

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2349503]You must have spent quite a lot of your time to find them... (Smiling trying to show all upper and lower teeth like only Jim Carrey can do)[/QUOTE]Hmmm, you can't be this dumb, can you?

The little shit hole, back bar rooms on Veracruz of course aren't going to ask for ID.

A couple of the better motels out there, yes, on Veracruz, which have nicer rooms, and can be rented for 3 hours, do require a cédula from the girl.

They're not hard to find, unless you're a moron.

(Smiling a Jim Carrey back at you).

[QUOTE=TriFreak;2349534]I just booked at Hotel Torre Poblado. Hope its chica friendly I'm sure it is it was recommended to me by a FB girl. Any board members traveling to Medellin the last week of August and want to link up. I should be getting my membership in a day or so I'm fluent in Spanish hmu.[/QUOTE]Check this post about Hotel Torre: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2654-Medellin-Hotels-and-Rental-Apartments&p=2214402&viewfull=1#post2214402[/URL]. It is almost a year old, but it appears that hotel may not be so chica friendly.

Good looking out Fun Luvr! I think I'm going to call them since I speak Spanish I'll make it crystal clear what my intentions are and make it very clear my business goes else where if there's chica fees involved or if its a hassle for them to accommodate. Also if anyone has a definite chica friendly hotel that's nice and checks IDs please help a brother out.

Thanks again for the heads up.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2349592]Check this post about Hotel Torre: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2654-Medellin-Hotels-and-Rental-Apartments&p=2214402&viewfull=1#post2214402[/URL]. It is almost a year old, but it appears that hotel may not be so chica friendly.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Balboa;2349418]Well, keep smiling then.

There's at least a couple of the short time motels on Veracruz that do and have been checking Cedulas for a while.

Also, got turned away by a few motels in el Centro with my Venezolana, because she only had a Venezuelan Cedula.[/QUOTE]My experience with Cedulas in El Centro has been as follows:

If you want to rent a room short time, and the Chica you are with looks young, they typically will ask to see the Chicas Cedula. I have had this happen to me on numerous occasions, even with some of my regulars who are thirty.

At Hotel Zona Rosa about six months agp, reception actually took a photo of one of my Chicas Cedula because the police had come by one time and alleged that the Hotel was allowing Chicas in that shouldn't be allowed due to their apparent young age which wasn't the case.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2349473]Well, I tried. Apparently answering your questions and posting photos of the flyer that is being handed out at Motel Ibiza violates some obscure site rule, because the post has either been blocked by one of the admins, or abducted by aliens.

I'll try a short and sweet response.

2 Love Motels in Laureles specified that every person is required to have a Colombian cedula in order to rent a room from them. They weren't interested in my passport. They were also rather rude by Colombian standards.

My opinion is that this is part of a push back against sex tourism.[/QUOTE]This confirms what Knowledge said in his post.

It makes you wonder what kind of pressure is being put on these Motels to turn away business for them.

So it's okay for the Colombians to use these two Love Motels, but not foreigners who don't have Cedulas but Passports.

Somebody with a lot of political power in Laureles has really come down hard on these Love Motels.

And for these establishments to also be rude about it as well is astonishing given that Colombians generally are very formal and polite.

Thanks for the response.

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2349523]I chatted with the Kuboz reception yesterday and they wrote back that an American passport meets the ID requirement. But JJBee4 posted that they would not rent a room to him. Is it the chicas ID that is causing the problem or is it the American passport? Is policy being enforced arbitrarily?

In the meantime I was cruising Mileroticos yesterday in preparation and it seems that new erotic places are opening since last August. The Blue Room seems to have upgraded. I think it was closed for a time. It is open 24 hours now.

https://casablueroom.com/contactenos/[/QUOTE]Kuboz did not even look at IDs. They asked if everyone had a Colombian cedula. Both girls said yes. I said I had my passport and the girl at the desk said only a Colombian cedula was accepted. Both girls were dressed conservatively because they had come directly from their job in a retail store.

[QUOTE=Margaya;2349535]I have been wanting to scope out Medellin for past few years but always stopped short because I hate brotal sex and that pretty seem to be the only option in medellin.

Or at least whenever I looked it up.

Are things any better?

And why we can't discuss about hotel M any more at this place?[/QUOTE]Who said you can't discuss Hotel M? Not much to discuss. Not much changes, but you're welcome to discuss it.

When were casas the only option in Medellin? I'm pretty sure the street walkers have been there for a very long time. Some of the individual streetwalkers look like they've been working the area for 30 years.

I got home from Medellin last night and didn't visit a single brothel. I considered it but just didn't see any reason.

If you read the forum you'll find about 3,000 posts talking about Facebook girls. Add in another thousand or so talking about Colombian Cupid, Seeking Arrangements and Tinder. Then there's strip clubs, escort services, bar girls, free Lancers.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2349261] has traditionally been a quiet residential area, except for the foreigner infested la 70/ Avenida Nutibara axis of course.[/QUOTE]You haven't been to LA 70 recently apparently. I've been staying here a week. I haven't see a single American, almost no white people, maybe a handful of Europeans (Less then 10 total in a week) It seems to be a bar area for locals.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2349585]
They're not hard to find, unless you're a moron.
(Smiling a Jim Carrey back at you).[/QUOTE]Sure 100%. IF one wants to find them. The point is that I am not so moron to look for those two, which must be quite special in the area.

(now the smile is of Jack Nicholson / Joker vs. Batman).

BTW, if I want a good motel, I go to Ibiza at Itagui, and they never asked my ID until 2 years ago (last time I visited).

I think you nailed it.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2349473]

2 Love Motels in Laureles specified that every person is required to have a Colombian cedula in order to rent a room from them. They weren't interested in my passport. They were also rather rude by Colombian standards.

My opinion is that this is part of a push back against sex tourism.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KryptoKnight;2349638]You haven't been to LA 70 recently apparently. I've been staying here a week. I haven't see a single American, almost no white people, maybe a handful of Europeans (Less then 10 total in a week) It seems to be a bar area for locals.[/QUOTE]I just left La 70 10 minutes ago. I know a gringo staying there for 2 weeks. Sat at cosechas drinking a smoothies and an old gringo sat right in front of me at the coffee shop. Saw several gringos walk by and saw some others buying a futbol shirt since everyone is wearing one for todays game. I was only there for a half hour so I'm sure I didn't see them all, like yourself, for instance.

[QUOTE=KryptoKnight;2349638]You haven't been to LA 70 recently apparently. I've been staying here a week. I haven't see a single American, almost no white people, maybe a handful of Europeans (Less then 10 total in a week) It seems to be a bar area for locals.[/QUOTE]While I wouldn't call Laureles infested with gringos, there definitely are some. I was just there (twice) on Friday and saw gringos. There are quite a few expats that live there. Quite a few white people too. Even saw 2 white Europeans on the metro headed to Laureles. I might not have noticed them except they got on at San Antonio station and were asking if the train was going towards Laureles. For those who aren't familiar with the metro, Line be begins at San Antonio. It can only go one direction from there.

All bar areas are bar areas for locals. Tourists tend to congregate at Parque Lleras, but they're not hard to find at La 70.

You are disputing comments based on a whole week of observations.

Let me come at it from a different direction with this rhetorical question. Does anyone honestly believe there is a Starbucks on Avenida Nutibara to satisfy the demands of local Colombians?

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2349660]I just left La 70 10 minutes ago. I know a gringo staying there for 2 weeks. Sat at cosechas drinking a smoothies and an old gringo sat right in front of me at the coffee shop. Saw several gringos walk by and saw some others buying a futbol shirt since everyone is wearing one for todays game. I was only there for a half hour so I'm sure I didn't see them all, like yourself, for instance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2349643]Sure 100%. IF one wants to find them. The point is that I am not so moron to look for those two, which must be quite special in the area.

(now the smile is of Jack Nicholson / Joker vs. Batman).

BTW, if I want a good motel, I go to Ibiza at Itagui, and they never asked my ID until 2 years ago (last time I visited).[/QUOTE]Whatever dude.

Yes, I do like a nicer room, and if I find a sweet girl, I like longer than a 20 min bang at the shit hole rooms on Veracruz.
If that’s your thing, Great for you.

I been at this for years.

BTW, I went to Motel Ibiza twice last week.
They do ask to see the girl's ID.
Venezuelan Cédula was good enough.

I’m not usually going to take a first time girl there though.
That’s after I’ve seen we have good chemistry and a good 6 hours or more together would be fun and worth it.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2349691]BTW, I went to Motel Ibiza twice last week.[/QUOTE]So that was you I heard? Damn!

Time for some lessons learned.

1. Have contingency plans for everything. For instance, getting blocked from a love motel could have messed me up twice. However, I knew where else I could go.

2. Trust your instincts. I knew that trying the 3 some again with the same girls was a mistake. First time was pretty good. Second time was a disappointment. Although the one girl brought me a nice bottle of cologne for a present.

3. Repeating with old favorites isn't always a good idea. Seek more new talent instead of going for someone comfortable.

4. Move with purpose. If you're wandering aimlessly you attract the wrong kind of attention. It also leaves you unprepared in case of a situation. Be aware without being paranoid and most people won't give you a second look.

5. Chicago is a horrible port of entry. Took 2. 5 hours to get through the line to clear customs and immigration, and I was basically waved through.

6. Don't trust the exchange rate the ATM displays. Even with my bank's fees I got a better rate than the one displayed by Davivienda.

7. Free stuff is sometimes more expensive than paying elsewhere. My free apartment cost about $350 in taxis, Uber and Love Motels. It also limited my flexibility and cut down on my willingness to go out. I don't like the idea of taking a taxi for a trip that's under a mile, but I dislike climbing a hill that's got a 25% slope. The one bonus, the girl who bled all over the sheets didn't ruin my friend's mattress.

8. Don't hesitate to meet up with other mongers when you get the chance. You may not click, but you can always learn something.

9. Enjoy everything to the maximum extent possible. Don't worry about the little things. You're in one of the most beautiful countries with some of the most beautiful women. Surely you can find something to smile about.

10. Try new things. My best experience was getting an overpriced handjob at a legit spa. Twice. I'm still amazed at those tits.

Enjoy it while you can.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2349628]Kuboz did not even look at IDs. They asked if everyone had a Colombian cedula. Both girls said yes. I said I had my passport and the girl at the desk said only a Colombian cedula was accepted. Both girls were dressed conservatively because they had come directly from their job in a retail store.[/QUOTE]It looks like I will spending my time at the casas, private apartments and massage rooms like I did in the old days. I did Tinder girls and Vanessa's girls last trip. I rather liked the short-term motels because of the bar service and security. I would bring my own backpack with toys, personal hygiene, condoms and lube.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2349705]Time for some lessons learned.



5. Chicago is a horrible port of entry. Took 2. 5 hours to get through the line to clear customs and immigration, and I was basically waved through.



Enjoy it while you can.[/QUOTE]How did you go from MDE to ORD, or did you go through another country? Last time I came from Periera to Chicago, I came through Panama and it was the quickest I have ever gotten through customs.

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2349995]It looks like I will spending my time at the casas, private apartments and massage rooms like I did in the old days. I did Tinder girls and Vanessa's girls last trip. I rather liked the short-term motels because of the bar service and security. I would bring my own backpack with toys, personal hygiene, condoms and lube.[/QUOTE]Well. Are these limitations city-wide? Like is every love-motel turning down gringos now?

Also, what is usually done? Do ya'll find the hoe on the street after negotiate acts and price bring to the closest love motel or do ya'll preemptively get a love motel for 6 hours (the whole 10 USD or whatever it is) then go hunting for puta's in the general vicinity? The latter options seem to be much more my preference, kinda like turning the motel room into a mini-brothel with street hoes of my choice.

[QUOTE=Member#2001;2349997]How did you go from MDE to ORD, or did you go through another country? Last time I came from Periera to Chicago, I came through Panama and it was the quickest I have ever gotten through customs.[/QUOTE]Through Mexico City on AeroMexico. I was quite pleased with AeroMexico. Mexico City airport wasn't impressive. Not enough bathrooms.

Maybe my timing was just bad at Chicago, because there was a line over 200 yards long just to get to the maze leading to the scanner machines.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2349691]Im not usually going to take a first time girl there though.
Thats after Ive seen we have good chemistry and a good 6 hours or more together would be fun and worth it.[/QUOTE]Interesting! I have a somewhat opposite view. I tend to take my first time "friends" to a love hotel. A few of the ones I remember (Thematic Suites on Calle 34) are not terribly expensive 50 M pesos for 4 hours and very clean.

When you are both inside the door locks electronically and you have to be "checked out" (so they can verify the mini-bar for purchases).

My idea is that I don't want to take a new acquaintance to my hotel so that she knows where I'm staying and maybe tries to use the rob you drug. Not going to happen in the "Love Hotel". Once I've met her and.

We've spent some time together and there is a degree of comfort, then I might happily have her to my hotel for a time or a night or whatever. I don't think I'm paranoid, I hope it is just being careful.

Points 1-10 are all good advice anywhere.

#11 should be get Global Entry.

I tired of being fondled by the TSA every time I flew due to a software glitch in normal security lanes. Returning to the USA prior to Global Entry it was more like 2 hours, 7 lines and had to run for the next flight that I damn near missed. With Global Entry my last entry customs, immigration, and recheck back thru security took all of 7 minutes. Plus you can use it in Canada, Mexico & some countries in Europe. Best $100 you will ever spend.

Best.

Guido88.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2348735]Had a great session yesterday. Took a friend visiting Meddy to a casa, it is a place with a blue door and they don't have fliers. Anyway, there were several chicas and one that came out would not let go of my hand when we shook hands. She was really cute, big full lips, big ass, small waist, big tits and triguea complexion. Kept smiling at me while holding my hand and had a perfect smile and positive energy so I chose her.

For those looking for something different, I'm sharing this flyer I was handed yesterday. Maybe one of you chaps can try it and report back.[/QUOTE]Where is the Casa you're talking about? You didn't mention that. And is that flier from that Casa, or somewhere else?

[QUOTE=FortuneWaffers;2350013]Well. Are these limitations city-wide? Like is every love-motel turning down gringos now?

Also, what is usually done? Do ya'll find the hoe on the street after negotiate acts and price bring to the closest love motel or do ya'll preemptively get a love motel for 6 hours (the whole 10 USD or whatever it is) then go hunting for puta's in the general vicinity? The latter options seem to be much more my preference, kinda like turning the motel room into a mini-brothel with street hoes of my choice.[/QUOTE]There is something called Vanny's list. I was making arrangements to have the girls meet me at the motel. Only 1 out of 3 was quality. However I ended up going with her on three dates. Also Vanny's List is more expensive than do-it-yourself methods. The other option is to have a chica visit from the known massage rooms.

[URL]https://www.fantasiasenergy.com/p/servicios.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.orientalspa.co/tratamientos[/URL]

I typically don't do street chicas. Last trip I did not even go down to Central but I have been there on previous trips. Downtown I think I am 1 for 5 all-time but because it is cheaper you can afford the misses. I am limited because I don't speak Spanish.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2350035]Interesting! I have a somewhat opposite view. I tend to take my first time "friends" to a love hotel. A few of the ones I remember (Thematic Suites on Calle 34) are not terribly expensive 50 M pesos for 4 hours and very clean.

When you are both inside the door locks electronically and you have to be "checked out" (so they can verify the mini-bar for purchases).

My idea is that I don't want to take a new acquaintance to my hotel so that she knows where I'm staying and maybe tries to use the rob you drug. Not going to happen in the "Love Hotel". Once I've met her and.

We've spent some time together and there is a degree of comfort, then I might happily have her to my hotel for a time or a night or whatever. I don't think I'm paranoid, I hope it is just being careful.[/QUOTE]Uhhh yeah, I was referring to not taking them on a first "date" to the nicer Love motel such as Ibiza for 6 hours.

I almost always will take them to one of the Love motels in el Centro on a first date.