Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=Ricker]All true.

Though there are some sincere ones out there, you have to keep your guard up and be aware that you can easily be played.

I agree with you that if they start asking you for money, it's usually a bad sign.

I have offered to help girls in the past, but that's after getting to know them quite well, and still you're never sure.

I've been lucky with a few, but have also been the dumb schmuck.

Always keep your guard up and look for the signs.

Good luck[/QUOTE]There is a simple secret to not getting played and that is just don't have any expectations. We all will have the opportunity to "help" one of these girls, sooner or later. How can we be surprised, much less dismayed, when the issue of money is entered into the express or implied agreement: I'm going to do this for you and in return I will get this. Whatever it is: the allowance is to allow her to stop selling herself to anyone but you? Or, you just want to help her out because you are nice guy and expect nothing? Every decision is to fulfill a want or a need.

The Buddha teaches that the cause of all pain is unfulfilled desires. If you give because, as my grandmother taught me, your gifts are given with a cheerful heart, your responsibility ends with the gift. For example, if the working girl continues to ply her trade notwithstanding her protestations of love and fidelity to the foreigner, he hopefully is simply thankful that he was in the position to give the gift of hope of a better life. There is no responsibility for another's choices. People do what people chose to do.

Unfortunately, almost all of these girls, pro, semi-pro or what the chivalrous among us call the "normal" girls. Are liars. What we really "guard against" is the vulnerability of trust. No worthwhile relationship can exist without trust, and you can't buy it. Telling the truth, well it escapes them, sooner or later. And so it follows, liars can't be trusted.

So, I suggest the more reasoned course is to buy their attention by the hour or for the night. If you want to "gift" them an allowance, just don't have any expectations. How could a little more money (or a lot) hurt one of these beautiful Colombian girls? It's better than giving it to the fucking church!

Finally, someone might be sad when you're gone. You might actually be able to create some good karma to offset the ***** of an ex-wife and ungrateful kids who see your death as the fulfillment of their entitlement.

[QUOTE=Xxnegrito]I dont mean for us to get hung up on a topic that has little to do with the subject matter of this board, but given the fact that Ive had several PMs inquiring on details of my relationship and support, i just wanted to add one more thing, "life is a risk" if you dont risk anything you dont win anything, I had so much fun with P4P girls that I found thru this forum and I owe it a lot. But at least for me sex just for sex doesnt cut it anymore, I can have, and have had the most outstanding sexual encounters and some I've posted here and the TJ board but I always yearned for more, I always felt empty and alone, now I got what I was looking for and IT FEELS GOOD, my girl is special to me. What I give her financially is little for how she makes me feel. And I rather know my money is spent on food and rent than on some pimp's vices.[/QUOTE]Well, all I'll say is.. "don't risk what you can't afford". I've heard stories of guys falling love with a girl, then buy her things he can't afford (on credit). Little does he know she's fucking every guy while he's away.

[QUOTE=Client 9]Are you sure? The management of the Dollhouse seems to have a very bizarre business model. They seem to want to be part Fase Dos and part Mangos. In my opinion, it won't work. They need to choose one or the other.

A very high percentage of the chicas in the Dollhouse were pros. It wasn't just a "sprinkling" of pros. Rather, there was a sprinkling of non-pros. Maybe it's different on weekends. I don't know.

As I understand it, they intended to compete directly with Fase Dos but couldn't get some of the required permits.

Personally, I would not bring a non-pro to the Dollhouse for drinking and dancing. Bad idea, in my opinion. None of the Gringos I know in Medellin bring non-pros to the Dollhouse.[/QUOTE]Well yes, supposedly it was supposed to be a high end stripclub like Fase Dos but couldn't get permits. Then they were trying to cater to the rich Mafioso and deep pocket gringos (like Mangos and Palmia). Nobody in their right mind would pay those outrageous prices in Medellin. So now it looks like they dropped their prices but the pros are still there. It was probably why Marcy was hired... to bring her connection of Mansion chicas. She has left so it must be a mess. Might be an interesting place to check out pros on my next trip.

I see there is some talk of the Dollhouse on this board. I will check it out next week as it is easy walking distance from Mayorista. I have my hopes up a little as from what I have heard so far this could be an LDV of CTG type of place. I was there the second day they opened and I did not see any Pro's then. It looks like that has now changed and I must say if it is close to an LDV experence then that is something that many on this board have expressed as being a real nice addition to MDE.

As usual my reports will follow.

Hi Xxnegrito,

Hey guy, my heart goes out to you and I wish you luck in your endeavor, although I have my own reservations about your situation. But you are an adult and you know what risks in your life are worth taking. However, I must correct any wrongful or off the cuff statements made. There are no pimps in Medellin, girls work independantly. Neither the Dollhouse, Casa Blanca, nor I, or anybody in La Mayorista or El Centro gets a cut from the girls. They do what they do on their own. The Striptease bars and most of the "casas" get their cut from the rental of the room, which is ussually included in the "cuties" price or is charged seperately like in "Casa Los Angeles". No pimps generaly anywhere in Medellin, although I´m sure there are some "pimping" or "gigolo" boyfriends,

[QUOTE=Xxnegrito]I dont mean for us to get hung up on a topic that has little to do with the subject matter of this board, but given the fact that Ive had several PMs inquiring on details of my relationship and support, i just wanted to add one more thing, "life is a risk" if you dont risk anything you dont win anything, I had so much fun with P4P girls that I found thru this forum and I owe it a lot. But at least for me sex just for sex doesnt cut it anymore, I can have, and have had the most outstanding sexual encounters and some I've posted here and the TJ board but I always yearned for more, I always felt empty and alone, now I got what I was looking for and IT FEELS GOOD, my girl is special to me. What I give her financially is little for how she makes me feel. And I rather know my money is spent on food and rent than on some pimp's vices.[/QUOTE]

Hey Frank, when I said pimps I was refering to TJ, girls are pimped there, I know there are no pimps in MDE. Ill come by to say hi when am in town, dont u worry my girl and me are doing just fine.

[QUOTE=Frank Casio]Hi Xxnegrito,

Hey guy, my heart goes out to you and I wish you luck in your endeavor, although I have my own reservations about your situation. But you are an adult and you know what risks in your life are worth taking. However, I must correct any wrongful or off the cuff statements made. There are no pimps in Medellin, girls work independantly. Neither the Dollhouse, Casa Blanca, nor I, or anybody in La Mayorista or El Centro gets a cut from the girls. They do what they do on their own. The Striptease bars and most of the "casas" get their cut from the rental of the room, which is ussually included in the "cuties" price or is charged seperately like in "Casa Los Angeles". No pimps generaly anywhere in Medellin, although I´m sure there are some "pimping" or "gigolo" boyfriends,[/QUOTE]

[quote=frank casio]hi xxnegrito,

hey guy, my heart goes out to you and i wish you luck in your endeavor, although i have my own reservations about your situation. but you are an adult and you know what risks in your life are worth taking. however, i must correct any wrongful or off the cuff statements made. there are no pimps in medellin, girls work independantly. neither the dollhouse, casa blanca, nor i, or anybody in la mayorista or el centro gets a cut from the girls. they do what they do on their own. the striptease bars and most of the "casas" get their cut from the rental of the room, which is ussually included in the "cuties" price or is charged seperately like in "casa los angeles". no pimps generaly anywhere in medellin, although i´m sure there are some "pimping" or "gigolo" boyfriends,[/quote]xxnegrito, i hope that this phase in your mongering career passes in whatever way it will and you are unrep001hed at the end of it. just keep a running total of what you are sending and compare it to an average medellin wage.

if you are starting to pay more, then you are being played. i won't belabor the point, good luck.

[QUOTE=Snoopdog21]Hello, Team Medellin,

I am new to the team, having only been a voyeur of the form. I have done some time in Asia and throughout Europe (primarily FKK's in Germany), so do not consider myself a "newbie" to the hobby. Over the past few months I have made a few trips to Colombia, first for legitimate work in Bogota and Medellin, and more recently, to spend time with a specific pro. I have enjoyed my time with her, even to the extent of two trips to San Andres (which I recommend on its own merits).

I am considering taking her out of the game. I already know it is a crazy proposition, as I believe the temptation for a pro to make "just a little more" when a new Coach bag hits the shelf is difficult to overcome.

My question to the team: what should I consider as a monthly stipend significant enough to keep the pro out of the game? I have already proposed a nice El Poblado apartment + separate monthly stipend. I am a slave to the grind, so money is not the most significant issue. I am a man of principal, though I already appear to be breaking an important one. Don't fall for a pro.

I will have some intelligence to confirm or deny whether the pro is out of the game. I will also make a run for the south every month or two from the US. It will come to me as no surprise if the pro plays me. I would like to think I can walk if the circle of trust is broken. Yeah, I am nuts.

My last thought: why am I doing this? I have had a few lucky breaks in my life. For some reason, I want to give this pro a break.

I appreciate any insight the team may have. Ciao.[/QUOTE]Snoopdog21,

You Asked:

My question to the team: what should I consider as a monthly stipend significant enough to keep the pro out of the game?

End

In the very next sentence you say "I have already proposed a nice El Poblado apartment + separate monthly stipend".

So let's set aside the apartment costs and focus on what you actually are asking. How much money does it take to keep a girl from fucking for money? BTW-Some people use the word "pro" nicely instead of stating when a girl/woman is in fact a *****.

So it is helpful to establish if the girl/woman is a "pro" out of NECESSITY or out of GREED.

I believe a girl/woman working out of necessity is grateful when she does not have to continue to sell her body.

A girl/woman being a "pro" out of greed will have more temptation to make a few more bucks on top of even a hefty stipend.

That being said:

You make no mention of this girl having any kids or family. You make no mention of her education level or what strata she lives in now. You make no mention of just how "pro" she is. What I mean by this is does she work in a casa or strip joint or freelance only when the need(s) arise.

You mention that you are a slave to the grind so how hard would it be to sit down with her and grind some numbers of monthly costs to get a real base of how much of a stipend she would need to live on. Again, this will depend on if she has kids or family that will live with her and the bills she will have to pay (including cell phone). And don't forget clothing & shoes (women love clothes & shoes).

However:

Out of personal opinion, if you really want to give the girl a break. I would suggest that you STRONGLY urge her to get educated in a field that she can eventually turn into a career. Why? Well what happens if something happens to YOU? By that I mean if you can't or stop providing for her? What is she to do? Fall back on her back doing what she did when she met you?

Case in point:

I have a friend who met a girl 3 years ago in Cali. She was whoring herself out of necessity. He liked her and she him. After a year of knowing her he decided to do exactly what you are thinking of doing. The good thing is he got her a modest but nice place for her and her child and pays the rent and utilities and gives her some spending money for her and the kid.

The biggest part of his helping her though was he insisted she enroll in schooling in a field of her liking to keep her occupied as well as get her on the path to a career. I am happy to say that they are still going strong. She has had no reason or desire to go back to whoring her body. On top of this she completed her second year in her field of learning and has just one more year to go to complete & be certified. She already has a job lined up once she is through with school as well.

My friend has never had any "check ups" or spies to make sure she didn't go back to whoring. I can say she has been too busy to even do so. As a personal endorsement, I have known her for as long as he has and I know her to be a good person and I truly think he made a good decision to help her. She cares about her child and her family and wants to be in a better life and is very grateful of my friends help.

I read a recent post from you Snoopdog21 that you have decided to just treat your girl as a "Queen" when you are in Medellin. That kinda sucks since others will just treat her like a "*****" when you are not there.

If you REALLY care about her then I'd say do your due diligence and if you can come up with a Good Plan for her then Go For It!

Cheers,

Cubanut

[QUOTE=Legal Tender]

...There is a simple secret to not getting played and that is just don't have any expectations ... [/QUOTE]That's it in a nutshell.

A very simple statement, but right on the money.

Helping someone out is fine and nice if you have the discretionary funds available.
Like Hioctane stated, and it's obvious, don't put yourself in debt for it.

It's when you put expectations and fantasies on your assistance, you can get played and hurt.

I'm no expert for sure, just learned from my past mistakes of being a dumb schmuck with expectations.

Good luck amigos

[QUOTE=Cubanut]Snoopdog21,

So let's set aside the apartment costs and focus on what you actually are asking. How much money does it take to keep a girl from fucking for money? BTW-Some people use the word "pro" nicely instead of stating when a girl/woman is in fact a *****.[/QUOTE]What is actually being asked is 'how much ought it to cost to keep playing the girl, stringing her along'?

Reality is, if you have no interest in the woman beyond your own convenience with her, she has every right to turn around and milk you for all you're worth. Woman needs the security against the end of her youth/beauty, and some insurance for when the 'playa' tires of her.

Thanks again all.

Cumulatively the group has raised many of the issues I myself have contemplated in one form or another. This is exactly the reason I had reached out to all of you. My hope is the "lessons learned" will benefit others as well. As with anything in life, one size does not fit all and I will need to come to terms with how I want to proceed.

I will be in Medellin at the end of the month at which time I hope to have resolved many of my own expectations. Don't be surprised to see a few words from me upon my return to the US.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Cubanut]Snoopdog21,

You Asked:

My question to the team: what should I consider as a monthly stipend significant enough to keep the pro out of the game?

End

In the very next sentence you say "I have already proposed a nice El Poblado apartment + separate monthly stipend".

So let's set aside the apartment costs and focus on what you actually are asking. How much money does it take to keep a girl from fucking for money? BTW-Some people use the word "pro" nicely instead of stating when a girl/woman is in fact a *****.

So it is helpful to establish if the girl/woman is a "pro" out of NECESSITY or out of GREED.

I believe a girl/woman working out of necessity is grateful when she does not have to continue to sell her body.

A girl/woman being a "pro" out of greed will have more temptation to make a few more bucks on top of even a hefty stipend.

That being said:

You make no mention of this girl having any kids or family. You make no mention of her education level or what strata she lives in now. You make no mention of just how "pro" she is. What I mean by this is does she work in a casa or strip joint or freelance only when the need(s) arise.

You mention that you are a slave to the grind so how hard would it be to sit down with her and grind some numbers of monthly costs to get a real base of how much of a stipend she would need to live on. Again, this will depend on if she has kids or family that will live with her and the bills she will have to pay (including cell phone). And don't forget clothing & shoes (women love clothes & shoes).

However:

Out of personal opinion, if you really want to give the girl a break. I would suggest that you STRONGLY urge her to get educated in a field that she can eventually turn into a career. Why? Well what happens if something happens to YOU? By that I mean if you can't or stop providing for her? What is she to do? Fall back on her back doing what she did when she met you?

Case in point:

I have a friend who met a girl 3 years ago in Cali. She was whoring herself out of necessity. He liked her and she him. After a year of knowing her he decided to do exactly what you are thinking of doing. The good thing is he got her a modest but nice place for her and her child and pays the rent and utilities and gives her some spending money for her and the kid.

The biggest part of his helping her though was he insisted she enroll in schooling in a field of her liking to keep her occupied as well as get her on the path to a career. I am happy to say that they are still going strong. She has had no reason or desire to go back to whoring her body. On top of this she completed her second year in her field of learning and has just one more year to go to complete & be certified. She already has a job lined up once she is through with school as well.

My friend has never had any "check ups" or spies to make sure she didn't go back to whoring. I can say she has been too busy to even do so. As a personal endorsement, I have known her for as long as he has and I know her to be a good person and I truly think he made a good decision to help her. She cares about her child and her family and wants to be in a better life and is very grateful of my friends help.

I read a recent post from you Snoopdog21 that you have decided to just treat your girl as a "Queen" when you are in Medellin. That kinda sucks since others will just treat her like a "*****" when you are not there.

If you REALLY care about her then I'd say do your due diligence and if you can come up with a Good Plan for her then Go For It!

Cheers,

Cubanut[/QUOTE]

Shark Bait here, stayed at Parecro's place for a month.

As usual, everything was awesome!

I am a pereferred gust there since I have made about 14 trips to MDE, and every time, I stayed at Parcero's.

I am well taken care of there, just like everyone else is, although, after so many times I do get preferencial treatment.

Hell, one time, he even let me fuck his new girlfriend before he did!

They wash my clothes, cook me breakfast, and this time, Parcero was fixin some killer Chinese dishes like Shrimp Lo Mein, and Shrimp Fried Rice.

As usual, I meet other really cool guys there.

Since I was there so long, I met about five or six other guys there.

As you know, Parcero took down all of his threads and resigned from the board due to a lot of bullshit from this one and that one.

I AM here to say though that if you want the very best accomodations, stay in the very best part of the city and be treated with kid gloves, get a hold of Parcero, and reserve a spot.

If you don't have his contact info, pm me and I will give it to you.

Thanks Parce!

Hey buddy, you in MDE already, you said today right? Let me know how it goes at the Dollhouse if you end up going and I'll email you on that little favor I asked of you while you're there. Have fun and good hunting! Say Hi to your favorite girl for me.

[QUOTE=Vics Picks]I see there is some talk of the Dollhouse on this board. I will check it out next week as it is easy walking distance from Mayorista. I have my hopes up a little as from what I have heard so far this could be an LDV of CTG type of place. I was there the second day they opened and I did not see any Pro's then. It looks like that has now changed and I must say if it is close to an LDV experence then that is something that many on this board have expressed as being a real nice addition to MDE.

As usual my reports will follow.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Aussie Greg]Marcy's back,

After her little "walk about" Marcy's has returned where she belongs, back with Papi MB, BBB y AG, in charge of guests relations and our "very important" "english student program"

Great having her back in a new team with Sara and Alexandra.

Casa Blanca Team.[/QUOTE]Most of us don't want to see her back.

[QUOTE=Vics Picks]I see there is some talk of the Dollhouse on this board. I will check it out next week as it is easy walking distance from Mayorista. I have my hopes up a little as from what I have heard so far this could be an LDV of CTG type of place. I was there the second day they opened and I did not see any Pro's then. It looks like that has now changed and I must say if it is close to an LDV experence then that is something that many on this board have expressed as being a real nice addition to MDE.

As usual my reports will follow.[/QUOTE]I went to Dollhouse for the first time this past Friday night, and I have to say it was a big disapointment. I agree that their business model is very confused. It's a huge place and it looked very dead because of all that empty space. There was only a sprinkling of girls, and they appeared to be mostly working girls, but not nearly as high a quality as Fase Dos or your average Mansion/Casa Blanca girl.

I was staying at the Mansion, and it was great getting Marcy back. She certainly had nothing good to say about Dollhouse, and was thrilled to be back at the Mansion with a new position; Manager of the "English Student Program".