Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=JustTimePass;2346077]Was free within 1 hour. My other fantasy in this trip is to tick off BDSM. So tried contacting couple of dominatrix wael, jaa but they given me appointment later in the week. While browsing came across two BDSM clubs Barbar fetish and demino. Bar bar is in patpong and demino is close to phrong pong. Went to demino as it's closer to ashok. The club is very well played out amd nice atmosphere. Enough space about 7 dominatrix and 12 slaves were present as mentioned by the bar girl. Sat at the end of the bar. A salve girl was tied up near it and dom was spanking her. Had a bit of conversation and then I started hearing sounds coming from adjoining room having only curtain. There was a group session 2 men and 4 girls (1 dom and 3 slaves in session). Was able to hear and see everything. The guys were having time of their life. After sometime selected a dom and slave. Did some basic stuff. Then asked them to show me around. On the top floor rooms for private session were available, all of them were empty and on side of the bar 1 guy was having BJ completely naked in full view of anyone passing by. Near the cage room asian guy was being spanked by dom. I went in middle of the bar which was a little dark. Asked slave slave to give me BJ while dom gave her all the instructions. Then made her eat out dom and while I pumped slave and doggy. All this in open area. Was quite a turn on. Tomorrow will try out bar bar fetish. Total damage for demino was around 8 k but I don't care as I had a good time.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the report on BDSM. BDSM report is rare in this forum. Want to try some bondage stuff with a slave or two in Demonia after your report. Looking forward to your report in Bar Bar Fetish.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2349507]Some people think girls should all be the same price. Ha ha. Not me. Poor quality should be very cheap. Top quality should cost more. Depends surely on demand.

In demand girls can afford to say no, if the price is not good. That is fair enough, the next guy will pay more.

Girls to the right side are comparable to Soi 4 girls somewhat, so prices should not be too far away for many of them. Yes some exceptions where I may have considered a right side girl, more so girls near to the front door, not sure if that is part of the "right" or not.

The worst girls on Soi 4 might be 1K an average girl 1200 and a much better girl 1300 to 1500. It makes no sense to me that the price variation is so low. I will go higher for something special, for sure. For some reason I just don't want the cheapest. Does not excite me. Sure I can get a dick in for 1K, but not my objective. I want value for the money too. Not a dog or fat face.[/QUOTE]I assume from your post that you haven't priced the Ladies in Thermae for quite some time. I was also shocked at what they were asking. Maybe it was to early in the evening at around 10:00.

The right side winners were at 3000 to 5000 thb st. I was a little taken back that they were not ready to nego and although laughing and playing around they would not budge on their price.

They are waiting for their Japanese prize to make an offer I guess.

It is unfortunate that the Asian customers have accepted the rates and the ladies are happy to ask what they feel they can get. Leaving the farang customer heading out the door to Soi 4.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2350913]I assume from your post that you haven't priced the Ladies in Thermae for quite some time. I was also shocked at what they were asking. Maybe it was to early in the evening at around 10:00.

The right side winners were at 3000 to 5000 thb st. I was a little taken back that they were not ready to nego and although laughing and playing around they would not budge on their price.

They are waiting for their Japanese prize to make an offer I guess.

It is unfortunate that the Asian customers have accepted the rates and the ladies are happy to ask what they feel they can get. Leaving the farang customer heading out the door to Soi 4.

RL.[/QUOTE]It really is absurd, and like the GoGo scene, directed at tourists, not residents. It hasn't been a local hangout for years, and neither have GoGo bars for that matter. There really are no more girlie establishments that are expat hangouts, where you can go grab a drink, have a fun time or just a conversation and laughs with your friends, not be hassled by waitstaff, grab a gal if you want, and spend way less than the insane 3-5 k gals in Thermae are asking now. Incredible, Thermae gals were 1 k for years and years. 1 k in 99 and 1 k in 09. Then 1500 for years, 2 k for quite a time, then boom, rapid escalation in price. As you say, the Asian punter will pay. Was in a few weeks ago and the place was rammed. Never seen it that full. Lots of young Asian punters. By young, I mean under 30. Some didn't looked like they were fresh out of uni. All starry eyed, nervous, and naive. Gals would put up three fingers and off they'd go. Certain it didn't take her long to "earn" that money.

It was such a great place at one time. Sad? Angry? You bet. Who wouldn't be?

[QUOTE=Gladiator69;2350771]Thank you for the report on BDSM. BDSM report is rare in this forum. Want to try some bondage stuff with a slave or two in Demonia after your report. Looking forward to your report in Bar Bar Fetish.[/QUOTE]I was not able to explore bar bar fetish in this visit. Will try it in my next visit around December. If you visit London anytime let me know I know a very good BDSM club.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2350913]It is unfortunate that the Asian customers have accepted the rates and the ladies are happy to ask what they feel they can get. Leaving the farang customer heading out the door to Soi 4.RL.[/QUOTE]Even worse are smug dudes who think it is great to say, "well, if you can't afford it, too bad. " "It's the market. " li

Like it's some magical entity. I can afford it, but why? It's become very poor value for money.

Many of us choose Thailand, not just because of cheap plentiful p4 p but for the lifestyle you could live on very little. I'd often say it was a 3 star life on a 1 star budget. It's still 3 star in most aspects but your paying 4 star prices for many things and not receiving the quality of goods and services you expect for top dollar. Things you ignored when it was cheap are now a focus as they have become quite dear. And it seems the tourist numbers are declining because of it.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2350913]It is unfortunate that the Asian customers have accepted the rates and the ladies are happy to ask what they feel they can get. Leaving the farang customer heading out the door to Soi 4.[/QUOTE]It's always someone else's fault that the farang are priced out instead of our own. Older retired ex-pats on a limited budget due to not being employed anymore is priced out not because of his limited buying power but because of some asinine comment like 4 minutes, 4 inches, and 4000 baht. Current mongers from the UK and Australia are being priced out not because the exchange rate sucks but because some Asian guy is overpaying. Nevermind that there are still many 2 week farang millionaires coming from the USA inflating the price as well.

Blame can be shared all the way around. 2 week millionaires from the USA & Asia, weak exchange rates if you come from the UK or Australia, backwards Thai thinking of charging more when it's slow, and simply bars just being more greedy than ever before which is the most obvious reason. Tiered bar fines based on time and / or coyote / agency girls, bill padding double lady drinks, known gogo bar scams, and BGs just being a starfish and looking for a reason to cut short a session all either drive up prices or give a sense of little to negative value.

There's always the famous saying that a TG will charge more if she doesn't really want to go out with you. It could be that farangs are getting prices bumped higher now that the Asians are in town. But really it's a large mix of everything I've listed out that's affecting us.

Gents,

Since we're on the topic of Thermae, I thought I'the throw in my experience. I haven't written a field report for it yet, but I'll throw this out here for now. I went to thermae around 10 pm on a Saturday night, which I know isn't the best, but I still found this short and cute girl on the left side. She did make eye contact, smiled, and came over to me when I beckoned, so I took that as a good sign. During negotiations, I only managed to talk her down to 3 k from 3. 5 k, and she agreed to BBBJ and CFS. When we flagged a taxi she seemed mildly surprised and annoyed I lived south of Lumpini park, which I guess is rather far for her to travel back and forth? Anyways, we get to the Airbnb and she insists on just cleaning up by herself, no showering together. Afterwards, she just jumped in bed and started playing on her phone. Whatever, she was pretty damn cute, and I was looking forward to taking her. When I got started, however, she became this starfish. And even had the nerve to look at her watch and tell me to hurry up. I was quickly losing interest and motivation down there, so told her I was done about 10 minutes in. And then she got up and checked my condom, of all things. I hope this was a one off experience, since I rather enjoy the idea of being with a non-pro girl.

I don't know if gogo bars are for me. I've checked out the bars at Nana and Soi Cowboy.

For the most part, they do have a lot of attractive young girls. Although most of them will have tatoos and I'm not really into the whole tattoo thing. I tend to prefer the attractive, natural-beauty without any surgical enhancements or tattoos to the body. The bar fines seem to be between 1 k-1.5 k. The attractive girls seem to quote their own take for 3 k and some lowering that to 2.5 k. I took one girl from Nana and she seemed more concerned with trying to get me to finish quickly as opposed to trying to provide a good time. She did offer me CIM so I guess it was ok. I took another girl from Nana and she was one on those 'PR' girls who works on trying to bring you inside the bar. She offered a decent GFE experience and even offered to cook for me for another evening. I haven't contacted her again just because I'm just being too superficial; her stomach tattoo is just turning me off.

Two girls (who happen to be friends) from one of the gogo bars on Soi Cowboy offered to take me to go eat some noodles ('kuay tiew') after their work. We exchanged LINE info and one of them offered to take me on a trip to see Hua Hin; never been there so we'll see.

I do like this bar on Soi Cowboy called 'Tilac'. I just like how their outside table is setup so you can just sit and chill out (watching the view) while having a beer. Unfortunately, their girls are not that attractive.

I frequently walk past [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and Kasalong; unfortunately, based on just looks alone, I couldn't recommend going there. I think I've only seen one person sitting outside of Kasalong that I'd give a go for a BJ. Otherwise, I'll pay the couple hundred Bahts extra at 7-Heaven to get an attractive, young girl to provide the service.

I really screwed myself by messing around with this Thermae girl who has pretty much left a bunch of her clothes and belongings in my apartment and comes over when she has free time. I'm beginning to realize that Thai women can be somewhat clingy.

Anyways, I still need to try one of those big soapy massage places (I. E. La Belle, Poseidon). And I think I'll try to see how the regular disco club scene is like on Soi 11.

TC.

[QUOTE=Kickoffs;2351024]It's always someone else's fault that the farang are priced out instead of our own. Older retired ex-pats on a limited budget due to not being employed anymore is priced out not because of his limited buying power but because of some asinine comment like 4 minutes, 4 inches, and 4000 baht. Current mongers from the UK and Australia are being priced out not because the exchange rate sucks but because some Asian guy is overpaying. Nevermind that there are still many 2 week farang millionaires coming from the USA inflating the price as well.

Blame can be shared all the way around. 2 week millionaires from the USA & Asia, weak exchange rates if you come from the UK or Australia, backwards Thai thinking of charging more when it's slow, and simply bars just being more greedy than ever before which is the most obvious reason. Tiered bar fines based on time and / or coyote / agency girls, bill padding double lady drinks, known gogo bar scams, and BGs just being a starfish and looking for a reason to cut short a session all either drive up prices or give a sense of little to negative value.

There's always the famous saying that a TG will charge more if she doesn't really want to go out with you. It could be that farangs are getting prices bumped higher now that the Asians are in town. But really it's a large mix of everything I've listed out that's affecting us.[/QUOTE]I've been here living here for almost two decades. The two-week millionaires have always had little effect on the overall price. There were just not the many of them when compared with expats and visitors who paid 1 k to the gals. Gals have always used the high price technique to scare away dudes they did not want to go with. Personally, I moved here when the Baht was well over 40 and saw it tumble to the low 30's well before the current strength it's experiencing against all currencies, including Asian ones. Yes, the exchange rate has had an effect, but when we look just at the Baht price, the cost has risen significantly over the last few years. The one factor that is constant in those years is the increasing number of Asian punters and the decreasing number of Western punters. Even back when the Japanese started coming to Thermae about 01, they tended to pay more. After the closing of the Siam City Coffee Shop in the mid-00's, which was the Asian Thermae and where most gals were priced at 1500 Baht as opposed to 1 k Baht Thermae, Asian customers started coming to Thermae in droves and the atmosphere, which was a party every night with some quite aggressive gals, changed and prices hit their first increase. Gone were the uber-fun gals dancing by the jukebox, the gals grabbing your crotch as you walked by saying, "F*ck with you tonight," and boom, 1500 as opposed to 1 k. And in came gals who would not go with Western guys. Personally I found the changes to be quite drastic as early as 07 and went from being a 3 to four night a week patron to being a few times a month then. And that had nothing to do with price but because it was no longer a "fun" place to hang out. Over the next decade the number of Western dudes kept declining and the atmosphere kept changing, until we see today's Thermae, 3 k gals, dressed conservatively, standing against the side, trying to act demure, not drinking, not dancing, projecting a kind of faux innocent politeness, with a myriad of dudes walking around in circles. Reminds me of a bad middle school dance with gals on one side and boys on the other. Not to mention gals who will completely ignore you or look away from you if you are Western and try to talk to them. Do you realize how rude and insulting that is here in Thailand?

With all due respect, the comment 4/4/4 or 3/3/3 is really not asinine. Demeaning yes, so for sure not a nice comment. Asian guys have always paid more, are smaller as a group if you look at statistics as far as size, and have very different performance expectations and you can verify this with gals that go with them. And the Asian punter far outnumbers the Western punter and will continue to do so. And to make matters worse, very few of the Asian dudes you see in Thermae are expats. Just like the GoGo scene it is for tourists now. I'll still contend that the number one factor with price increases in Thermae is the vast number of Asian tourist punters.

[QUOTE=Donnahito;2351171]Gents,

Since we're on the topic of Thermae, I thought I'the throw in my experience. I haven't written a field report for it yet, but I'll throw this out here for now. I went to thermae around 10 pm on a Saturday night, which I know isn't the best, but I still found this short and cute girl on the left side. She did make eye contact, smiled, and came over to me when I beckoned, so I took that as a good sign. During negotiations, I only managed to talk her down to 3 k from 3. 5 k, and she agreed to BBBJ and CFS. When we flagged a taxi she seemed mildly surprised and annoyed I lived south of Lumpini park, which I guess is rather far for her to travel back and forth? Anyways, we get to the Airbnb and she insists on just cleaning up by herself, no showering together. Afterwards, she just jumped in bed and started playing on her phone. Whatever, she was pretty damn cute, and I was looking forward to taking her. When I got started, however, she became this starfish. And even had the nerve to look at her watch and tell me to hurry up. I was quickly losing interest and motivation down there, so told her I was done about 10 minutes in. And then she got up and checked my condom, of all things. I hope this was a one off experience, since I rather enjoy the idea of being with a non-pro girl.[/QUOTE]When I have an experience like that, the session is called off immediately when there is no performance and the gal gets a few hundred Baht. They will continue to pull those stunts as long as guys accept it and pay full rate. Of course my interview is usually a bit more in depth, but even then it's a crap shoot. You'll probably get better performance out of a 1-1. 5 k Baht Soi 4 gal. It won't be any worse and you will not have spent 3 k for a big bag of nothing. I know very few dudes who are getting performers out of Thermae these days.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2351284]I've been here living here for almost two decades. The two-week millionaires have always had little effect on the overall price. There were just not the many of them when compared with expats and visitors who paid 1 k to the gals. Gals have always used the high price technique to scare away dudes they did not want to go with. Personally, I moved here when the Baht was well over 40 and saw it tumble to the low 30's well before the current strength it's experiencing against all currencies, including Asian ones. Yes, the exchange rate has had an effect, but when we look just at the Baht price, the cost has risen significantly over the last few years. The one factor that is constant in those years is the increasing number of Asian punters and the decreasing number of Western punters. Even back when the Japanese started coming to Thermae about 01, they tended to pay more. After the closing of the Siam City Coffee Shop in the mid-00's, which was the Asian Thermae and where most gals were priced at 1500 Baht as opposed to 1 k Baht Thermae, Asian customers started coming to Thermae in droves and the atmosphere, which was a party every night with some quite aggressive gals, changed and prices hit their first increase..[/QUOTE]I'd love to discuss how this evolved!

Great post, many thanks.

(I'm no BKK expert, but I believe "someone" is telling many of them not to? Same as Angeles city).

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2351287]When I have an experience like that, the session is called off immediately when there is no performance and the gal gets a few hundred Baht. They will continue to pull those stunts as long as guys accept it and pay full rate. Of course my interview is usually a bit more in depth, but even then it's a crap shoot. You'll probably get better performance out of a 1-1. 5 k Baht Soi 4 gal. It won't be any worse and you will not have spent 3 k for a big bag of nothing. I know very few dudes who are getting performers out of Thermae these days.[/QUOTE]Although I have pulled some good ladies out of Thermae, your report sums up what is happening. They are treating us like they treat the Asian Johns. No respect and a fast session. I have heard that from guys that pull from the Bars also. The ladies feel they are in charge and when you finish they go. They want to get back and pull another John and the cuter they are the better of a chance they will succeed.

I don't go after the 8's and 9's, for the very reason discussed. I just want a good BBBJ and a good fuck. Attitude is everything and if she has it, we go.

RL.

Goatscrot, seems to me that for a man in your shoes, these changes shouldn't particularly affect you much.

In fact, as a trusted "local" you should be able to put together a nice stable of "regular" real "semi-pros" - who will probably be fairly happy with 1. 5 k baht and perhaps taxi money. One would think you would get that price simply because you're local, trusted and reliable. And perhaps have even developed friendships with some of these girls.

So a man in your position shouldn't really even have to bother with Thermae (and I agree with your characterization of how the place has changed. You're completely correct) . So.

Is it just "the call of the 'strange' " LOL.

Not to disparage any Asians or Asian-Americans but the 3-3-3 or 4--4-4 line gets chuckles from one Thermae girl I know. And her clientele is 99% Asian / Japanese. She's also afraid of too large a tool, so perhaps it's the other 3's and 4's that cause the chuckle.

Can also confirm that Thai face / culture dictates that if she doesn't really want to go with you then she will jack up the price (which is her way of letting you know she's not really interested, but leaving you "face".

The girl I know regularly does this to Asian customers too. I then asked her, but what if he's willing to pay it? Her answer is, then she has to go with him.

I always pay the going rate with this girl I know. I don't think she'd ever give me a discount. She has serious bills to pay / lifestyle to uphold and that's why she's there LOL.

But. Our time is never rushed. And I get BBFS, the catch being that I have to get her off too. Ever since the first time, when she was multi-orgasmic with me, now I have to compromise (almost follow her demands LOL) on positions, technique, etc when I'm doing her "just right". but LOL All in all, not an unfair bargain.

P.S. One time I was standing with her outside and another girl walked up, and the "talk" was that she had done 6 short times that night LOLOLOL.

So dick size aside, what's really meaningful here is 3 K for 3 minutes. (or ok, even 13 minutes).

[QUOTE=Catire;2351364]Goatscrot, seems to me that for a man in your shoes, these changes shouldn't particularly affect you much.

In fact, as a trusted "local" you should be able to put together a nice stable of "regular" real "semi-pros" - who will probably be fairly happy with 1. 5 k baht and perhaps taxi money. One would think you would get that price simply because you're local, trusted and reliable. And perhaps have even developed friendships with some of these girls.

So a man in your position shouldn't really even have to bother with Thermae (and I agree with your characterization of how the place has changed. You're completely correct) . So.

Is it just "the call of the 'strange'" LOL.

Not to disparage any Asians or Asian-Americans but the 3-3-3 or 4--4-4 line gets chuckles from one Thermae girl I know. And her clientele is 99% Asian / Japanese. She's also afraid of too large a tool, so perhaps it's the other 3's and 4's that cause the chuckle..[/QUOTE]I live in BKK too (even if just since 2011 so I missed every good time- and I am married (I think Goatscrot has a GF or wife too).

So in this situation isn't so easy to have a nice stable of "regular". I have just a few and it would be nice to have the option to find a new girl fast and simple. The first few years of 2010 had still some good experiences at shops like Mango etc, but lately even oilys have gone really downhill.

Surely single guys will have it easier.

[QUOTE=Donnahito;2351171] I hope this was a one off experience, since I rather enjoy the idea of being with a non-pro girl.[/QUOTE]Why would you think she was a non-pro? The fact she was a starfish and played with her phone doesn't make her a non-pro. She took 3 K baht for a lousy 1 shot and still complained, that makes her feel like a real pro, but a bad one. She probably does it on a daily basis.