Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2354200]I'm confused as to why you stayed. I would have said, FY and been on my way. [/QUOTE]Equally puzzled. There are other BJ shops. I leave many places simply because no girl in the line up appeals to me, or I cannot see the line up, even left Snow White several times with no girl selection, or could be just the staff giving me a hard time and making things difficult. I will tolerate a lot though, to get to some very special girl (not the case here).

Some guys are really determined to try at some particular venue, but not me. It is always much more about some particular girl for me, or the lack of one.

Taking a GF along to pay, seems a bit puzzling as well. Not sure why she needed to attend a BJ shop. I guess she was very curious to see the "talent", but the talent was extremely reticent to be seen by other Thai girls. I mean how embarrassing to work as a BJ specialist. Thais have a fear of being looked down on, by others.

Girls that work at BJ shops, have to do a lot of BJs to make money, but they probably hope the guy pops in 10 to 15 minutes or less, that way being less work for a given amount of money than a full sex booking with someone like me for 2 hours. So very tired mouth, jaw, and shoulders, but pussy in good condition.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2354200]I'm confused as to why you stayed. I would have said, FY and been on my way. There is no reason to take that abuse from anyone. I will never go there now that I have read your report. And I assume that your GF does not give head?

RL.[/QUOTE]Good question. The reason was the favourable reviews about the looks of the staff working here from one or two other forum brothers, so I wanted to try and see at least once since we were there already.

My GF has eventually progressed to giving great head, thank you for asking, but she also knows I like shops like this a lot. Once in a while she wants to make me extra happy and asks me if I want to visit such a shop on her treat, to which I of course smilingly say "yes, thank you".

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2354326]My GF has eventually progressed to giving great head, thank you for asking, but she also knows I like shops like this a lot. Once in a while she wants to make me extra happy and asks me if I want to visit such a shop on her treat, to which I of course smilingly say "yes, thank you".[/QUOTE]Where did you find this kind of girlfriend? Is she Thai? I have had several girlfriends in farang-land, Thailand and Philippines, but if I had as much as suggested that I would like to go to a BJ bar she would probably have killed me. He, he. Your GF seems to be very liberal or maybe you are a real treasure to her. Your story was interesting. I think you should have walked away from such poor and rude treatment, but for some reason when reading I was more focused of the fact that your GF paid you a session in a BJ bar. That was something new even for this forum.

Rule #1 in the Monger's Handbook: Never pay a hooker in advance. *

Rule #2 in the Monger's Handbook: Walk away if the massage shop insists on pictures only / no lineup before the selection of a girl.**

*The only exception to rule#1 is with oily and soapy massage parlors of solid reputation. And in this specific case the punter is not paying the girl in advance, rather he is paying the bordello in advance. There is a difference.

** I went to Mitu twice back in October 2018, my 1st & last time. Management insisted on pictures only, no lineup and payment BEFORE I was allowed to even see my chosen girl. Needless to say she did not look like her photos. I went ahead with the session anyway because I was interested in trying out the Mitu Nuru experience. So despite the girl not being up to my spec physically, she was at best a 5.125 * out of 10, we did have a wild romp and I admit that I enjoyed the session. However, I never went back for a 2nd helping even when the girl begged me to see her again on her Line texts to me. Looks and appearance are as important to me as performance. She was a nice girl though. 555. Too bad she was plain. Ha Ha. But I think my experience makes the point that if the shop does not / will not give their customers a real look at their girls before selection is made, they are hiding something. There is no other plausible explanation.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2354037]Upon entering the place with my girlfriend, the first words coming from
TFRB, shouting across the room, were "no massage here!".[/QUOTE]This is the first moment you should have turned back and walked away from that shop, she doesn't want to do business with you.

[QUOTE]My girlfriend and I were taken by surprise by the anger in the TFRB's
voice, but my gf answered in English that I was there for a blowjob.
TFRB then shouted at my girlfriend "ok, but you get out!". My girlfriend
explained politely that she was there to pay for her boyfriend (me).
TFRB then said "ok, you pay, then get out".[/QUOTE]This is the second time you should have walked away from that shop. The girl is rude to your girlfriend but you still think about giving her your money.

[QUOTE]TFRB answered "no, cannot see. Now she (pointing at my gf) must get
out!". I said again I wanted to see the staff first. TFRB said we have
to pay first. Then if I don't like, she will give me the money back.
For reference, at both Wood bar and BIT style, you see the girls first,
then if you want to choose one, you pay. If not, you leave. [/QUOTE]Seems like you know how it works in these shops in BKK, so why did you accept that crap?

[QUOTE]I hoped she would change her mind when
she saw me walking and let me see the staff in real life rather than
lose a customer, but she did not.[/QUOTE]Why did you think she would change her mind? The way you described it, it's pretty clear she made it clear that she didn't want you to be serviced in her shop.

[QUOTE]I asked her how my gf could pay when you told her to get out
already?[/QUOTE]Is it one of your fetishist thing that the money must comes out of your GF's hand directly to the girls hand? She cannot stay outside, give you the money and you give it to the girl?

[QUOTE]She said my gf can come inside and pay, then get out again.
I went outside to ask my gf to come in again. As we walked back in,
we could hear TFRB talking bad about me in Thai to staff hiding behind
the counter. [/QUOTE]If you understood what she said in Thai you should have reacted and told her something (even in English if you cannot say it in Thai), but instead you still decided that it's better to give her your money.

[QUOTE]After my gf had paid again, TFRB finally handed over the ipad so I could
chose amongst three women, while telling my gf again "you get out now".[/QUOTE]How many times did she say your GF to get the f*ck out of her shop and you still didn't tell her to sh*t up. What kind of boyfriend are you?

[QUOTE]TFRB then went behind the counter and said one of the rudest things you
can say about anyone in Thai: "man luak Nui", which means "it chose you.
You have to work." Not "he" chose you, but "it". In Thai language,
as in English, it is extremely rude to refer to a human being as "it"
of course, and ill-tempered Thai men have shot others dead for saying
something like that to them. [/QUOTE]Again no reaction from you despite the fact that she talked about you as if she was talking about an animal (you're right, it's very unrespectfull in Thai).

[QUOTE]but I guess there's some logic there that
escapes me at the moment. [/QUOTE]Thai nationals are not welcomed in these shops, but I don't know if your GF is Thai or maybe she looks like a Thai.

[QUOTE]A few minutes later, Nui started saying something about if I had
"finished now? Limit 40 minutes. Finish now?"

I was feeling a bit of an annoyance from being interrupted by this stupid
question again. Does she think she will not know when I have finished?
Does she expect me to ejaculate a soft, barely noticeable, puff of oxygen
into her mouth when I come? I answered Nui politely that it's not 40
minutes yet [/QUOTE]The poor girl probably tried to tell you that there is a time limit and that she was expecting you to finish soon. It seems that she sucked you for a long time, and you still talk about her as being annoying and giving you a bad service. Maybe it was you that was the annoying one.

[QUOTE]Will I repeat: No No No.[/QUOTE]Don't worry, they probably don't want to see you again also.

[QUOTE]Nobody in Thailand refers to other people as an "it"
("man" in Thai) unless the speaker is really at the bottom of the totem pole
as far as manners and social grace is concerned.[/QUOTE]Yeah, you knew it, and your best sign of protest was to give them your money.

I'm not trying to judge you or teach anything as I constantly make a lot of mistakes but that report was so weird.

Even though I would never defend that shop after the gun related incident a few weeks ago, it seems from your report that you accepted everything that happened to you so why come and complain here instead of complaining directly in front of her? Instead you chose to do business with her and gave her the opportunity to pull that crap with other customers that would go in that sh*tty shop.

It looks like the report has been written by a masochist that likes to be humiliated and reward the people that humiliated him by paying them.

You should have told her to sh*t up before any of these things happened and moved your ass to another BJ shop. It's not as if it's the only place that can give you that service in BKK.

I've had some arguments either directly with the girls or with the management, but this always happened during the service or after it was finished, never before I paid. I cannot understand how you can decide to reward someone that treated you like sh*t by making business with them.

Every time I realize a seller or a business doesn't respect me I move to another place and the last think I would think about is to give them my money.

You probably had a very high hope of getting the best BJ ever in that shop to accept such crap from a girl that has nothing to do with the service.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2354071]The connection between delivering whatever the customer wants and financial success in the P4P biz makes for an interesting conversation ET. From your experience there is a close correlation, personally I feel while that is part of it there is more.

Certainly girls who do anal, rimming CIM and multiple pops on top of the standard package can command a premium but BBFS which I know you need I feel is not necessary to include in their skill set to work at the high end of the market.

For me what's needed to make the big bucks is yes a flexible inclusive range of services but more importantly a personality to go with that. Looks, dress style, grooming, an appreciation of good food and music but above all good language skills enabling interesting and interested intelligent conversation.

The girls who are most successful I believe are those with have repeats from a string of big spenders who value their company just as much as their blow job.[/QUOTE]That is quite a profile for a Thai hooker. A girl like that could be working in an upscale shopping mall, hostess in an expensive farang restaurant or as a medical clinic receptionist. And if she applied any of the usual hooker skills to her work scedule, I doubt she would be on the market long before being scooped up by an interested party passing through her place of business looking for a first or second wife.

I get your point, but I wasn't talking about Thai hookers who "work in the high end of the market. " The girls I am talking about always having wads of 1,000 baht notes in their purse, never call me for an emergency "loan" and are or have banked enough money to start themselves a little business that no longer requires them to compete with 22 year olds in the bars or on the streets never worked in the "high end of the market. ".

I was bringing it down to a much more basic common denominator than that, not comparing street girls with girls who target well dressed businessmen in karaoke clubs or in Mixx.

The fact is, I know girls who would fit the profile you cited. And they still find themselves 500 baht away from disaster every week. Oh, and their blowjobs are god-awful. Lol. By contrast, I almost never get those emergency loan calls from girls just working on the street, in go-go bars, online and who probably never met a well dressed businessman but who give way above average blowjobs along with the other details I mentioned.

I honestly can't speak to the Anal, Rimming, etc stuff since I don't indulge in those things anyway. But even acquiring a taste or skill for those activities is of a more specialized nature than the most basic offerings I have observed being plenty for P4P girls to provide in order to always have the money they need on hand without generating anybody's sympathy for their terrible plight.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2354460]Even though I would never defend that shop after the gun related incident a few weeks ago, it seems from your report that you accepted everything that happened to you so why come and complain here instead of complaining directly in front of her? Instead you chose to do business with her and gave her the opportunity to pull that crap with other customers that would go in that sh*tty shop.[/QUOTE]I did not come here to complain, though I did ask the reception woman a few times why she was so angry. I came her to tell about my experience so that people can decide for themselves if they will want to visit this shop or not, based on either my own review, or the two favourable reviews that were posted by other brothers recently. Those reviews were the reason I was looking forward to visiting the shop, and while there I was willing to tolerate the obnoxious reception woman in order to at least once try the girls working there. After all, it's not the red haired beast that will be sucking my dick, though if I at the time had been sure she was the owner rather than just reception staff, I would have left there and then rather than give her business a single satang.

Unfortunately BJ-shops are not a dime a dozen in Bangkok if you care about how the staff looks. Yes, there are others, but last time I went to BIT style and Wood bar (both places last week), I unfortunately had to walk out as there were no-one to my taste. Had the woman working at 7-heaven been great, I would have said so in my review and less principled people may have chosen to visit the shop anyway, the red haired beast maning the reception not withstanding. As it is, the woman working at 7-heaven was no better than what I see at other shops, so there's no reason at all to visit 7-heaven /7-hell as far as I see. At least at other places one will be treated with normal politeness.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2354412]Rule #1 in the Monger's Handbook: Never pay a hooker in advance. *

Rule #2 in the Monger's Handbook: Walk away if the massage shop insists on pictures only / no lineup before the selection of a girl.**

*The only exception to rule#1 is with oily and soapy massage parlors of solid reputation. And in this specific case the punter is not paying the girl in advance, rather he is paying the bordello in advance. There is a difference.

** I went to Mitu twice back in October 2018, my 1st & last time. Management insisted on pictures only, no lineup and payment BEFORE I was allowed to even see my chosen girl. Needless to say she did not look like her photos. I went ahead with the session anyway because I was interested in trying out the Mitu Nuru experience. So despite the girl not being up to my spec physically, she was at best a 5.125 * out of 10, we did have a wild romp and I admit that I enjoyed the session. However, I never went back for a 2nd helping even when the girl begged me to see her again on her Line texts to me. Looks and appearance are as important to me as performance. She was a nice girl though. 555. Too bad she was plain. Ha Ha. But I think my experience makes the point that if the shop does not / will not give their customers a real look at their girls before selection is made, they are hiding something. There is no other plausible explanation.[/QUOTE]Natty, love your posts.

Unfortunately at all BJ shops I know of in Bangkok, you have to pay in advance, though it is the shop you pay as you say, not the girl. This is the first time in Thailand I could not see a real-life lineup and had to chose from photos, though in Japan recently I also had to chose from photos and believe that is the norm there.

A bit like you perhaps, I had recently read some reviews from brothers about how good looking the girls here were, so I went ahead anyway so I could have the experience for myself at least once. At it was, the service was worse and the girls were no better looking.

[QUOTE=Aviator12;2354408]Where did you find this kind of girlfriend? Is she Thai? I have had several girlfriends in farang-land, Thailand and Philippines, but if I had as much as suggested that I would like to go to a BJ bar she would probably have killed me. He, he. Your GF seems to be very liberal or maybe you are a real treasure to her. Your story was interesting. I think you should have walked away from such poor and rude treatment, but for some reason when reading I was more focused of the fact that your GF paid you a session in a BJ bar. That was something new even for this forum.[/QUOTE]She's not very liberal (I've had more liberal GF's), so I guess it must be that I'm a real treasure.

Or to perhaps paint a less rose coloured picture: I think the reason she takes me there is her way of saying sorry for some rather bad, almost unforgivable, things she did previously in our relationship, though now she says it's just to make me happy and she likes to see me happy.

Here's truly a first.

Went to Soi Cowboy to just walk around. Eventually got pulled in to Rawhide or whatever. Some OK girls but boring as all hell.

So I went back out and ended up in Cowboy 2.

I was sitting with a very cute and fun 21 year old. We had a couple of drinks and were joking around. Then she had to go up on stage and dance.

As I am sitting with my thumb up my ass, I guess an old customer of hers comes in. I am unaware of this fact.

She finishes her set and the mama san comes around and pushes me to get her another lady drink. I comply and I'm ready to kind of get things ready to head on out.

Then as she grabs her drink she heads to sit with the other guy.

I'm of course like WTF?

Mama san explains it's an old customer and all that horse shit.

I try to say, that's okay but why push a lady drink on me if you know she can't sit here?

Mama san proceeds to try and push other girls on me. But then the other guy leaves and original girl comes back.

Now the original girl and new girls are all kind of fighting with one another on who gets my money.

Unfortunately I'm so annoyed and confused I just pay my drink tab and start to head out. It's basically lose-lose at this point. I'm annoyed, all the girls are annoyed, and I'm pretty sure if I take anyone out it's going to be a very poor experience since everyone is all bent out of shape because the mama san is a dumbass.

The potential silver lining is I got the original girl's line info. Who knows if it pans out.

I have never had a mama san fuck shit up so much in such a short period of time. I was easy money primed and ready to go.

Someone else can take it tomorrow, but not Cowboy 2.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2354506]Natty, love your posts.

Unfortunately at all BJ shops I know of in Bangkok, you have to pay in advance, though it is the shop you pay as you say, not the girl. This is the first time in Thailand I could not see a real-life lineup and had to chose from photos, though in Japan recently I also had to chose from photos and believe that is the norm there.

A bit like you perhaps, I had recently read some reviews from brothers about how good looking the girls here were, so I went ahead anyway so I could have the experience for myself at least once. At it was, the service was worse and the girls were no better looking.[/QUOTE]Been to kasloog and loolttts over 60 times never never ever ever have I paid upfront.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2354506]Natty, love your posts.

Unfortunately at all BJ shops I know of in Bangkok, you have to pay in advance, though it is the shop you pay as you say, not the girl. This is the first time in Thailand I could not see a real-life lineup and had to chose from photos, though in Japan recently I also had to chose from photos and believe that is the norm there.

A bit like you perhaps, I had recently read some reviews from brothers about how good looking the girls here were, so I went ahead anyway so I could have the experience for myself at least once. At it was, the service was worse and the girls were no better looking.[/QUOTE]I think there could have been other reasons the receptionist freaked out so much about you walking in with a Thai woman beyond the potential of the working girls losing Face and all that. She might have thought it possible you were bringing in an irate wife or girlfriend of a customer getting serviced in a room in order to bust him. In her mind, she wasn't just protecting the girls in the back room but the privacy and possibly the physical safety of some other dude in a cubical back there. LOL. Or a customer who might walk in any minute. No way for her to know what kind of trouble a regular Thai woman is in a BJ/HJ shop to cause for the girls or her customers really.

I am not trying to justify her rude behavior, just offering another possibility for her extreme, almost police like tactic. Maybe there is a history of a confrontation like that in the shop.

On the other part, I could also see how you might think her over zealous attempts to protect and shield whoever or whatever was going on unseen back there meant that perhaps you were in the presence of the Fort Knox of Oral Pleasure From Hot Chicks! LOL. Maybe there was something so special and great about the place to almost justify it.

I probably would have carried on for the hell of it, too, at least out of curiosity, and done what you did. It wasn't all that much money to risk in order to find out what all the fuss was about not only here but by that receptionist as well.

Look at it this way, if your review of the experience had been it turned out to be the most fantastic BBBJ+CIM+Swallow you have ever gotten and the average looks of the girl did not detract from it in the least, I and I suspect a few others here would be thanking you for persisting through it all and would now be willing to enter that place on our best behavior, sheepishly smiling and ignoring whatever weird bahavior the receptionist OR owner exhibited just to get to it. "Rudeness" of the staff be damned if it had been worth it.

On the other hand, if the quality of service by the girls was shitty but the demeanor of the receptionist was on par with Saint John the Evangelist I would not be inspired to spend 1 baht there.

Thanks for the report.

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2354506]Unfortunately at all BJ shops I know of in Bangkok, you have to pay in advance, though it is the shop you pay as you say, not the girl.[/QUOTE]At Star of Light (on Patpong 2) and Duangporn's Haven (ex Soms Haven), you pay the shop after the session. As far as I know, paying after at BJ shops is the norm, or at least used to be.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2354412]Rule #2 in the Monger's Handbook: Walk away if the massage shop insists on pictures only / no lineup before the selection of a girl.**[/QUOTE]Absolutely. If the girls are on the premises, and not busy, and it doesn't take much effort to do a lineup. If they're not willing to do that to get your business, they certainly won't be willing to do much for you once you're already committed, especially if you already paid them.

I guess a picture might make sense if they're bringing girls in or you want to wait while she finishes off another customer, but in Thailand such situations are rare. Oddly, in situations where pimps bring girls in (tuktuks upcountry, touts in Malaysia, Bali), they usually won't show you pictures, so you won't bail out and would feel more obligated once the guy shows up with the girls (since they already made the effort and time).

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2354639]At Star of Light (on Patpong 2) and Duangporn's Haven (ex Soms Haven), you pay the shop after the session. As far as I know, paying after at BJ shops is the norm, or at least used to be.[/QUOTE]My review was for 7-heaven, which I believe is the name name of Duangporn's heaven.