Bogota Reports

[QUOTE=Coupe66;1964993]Thinking of coming to Colombia soon for the first time. Have been looking at some videos online taken walking around the RLD of Bogota and Medellin. From what I can tell the RLD in Bogota is downtown, is that right? What I was wondering is, are these areas safe to walk around during the day for a gringo, albeit a dark haired and spanish speaking one such as me. I don't see any gringo's on the streets on those videos. What about the places the girls are hanging out in front of, are they clean and safe for some daytime action? I still have to do most of my research, and I am sure there are loads of clubs which are safer / better etc, but just looking at these videos I have already seen a few women who are just my type, dark hair, pretty, busty and curvy, skinny barbie girls are not my type at all! Any advice would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Hi,

I live 5 minutes walk from Santa Fe- I'm a 54 yr old gringo. I speak Spanish OK. But they know I'm a gringo after I talk for a minute.

I have a tough appearance which probably helps me.

I went out last night met up with one of my Streety Sweeties BBJ- Hot quick session with Kassandra Hot 18 yr old paisa $40 mil!

Anyhow. Just be careful-- I go all the time-- don't pull your phone out and lose your attention to what is around you.

Have an attitude where you will not be intimidated-- Don't get sucked into perps trying to talk to you-- Don't be Afraid to ignore people. But Just be aware.

I have been here 6+ yrs had a phone taken out of my pocket once.

I want to take this opportunity to Help my Driver / friend Jairo get work-- he transports girls to all the Expensive casas up north and can hook you up-- But he doesn't speak a lick of English-.

I have known him for 6 yrs -- he always drive me too the airport when I make my USA trips.

He charges 70 mil an hour for driving and a small fee for intros-- PM me for his number-.

JjBee62 thanks for all your great advice! Had a look around there on google maps, think was taken maybe early morning as the streets are quite empty apart from some chicas here and there. Like I said I still need to research a lot, but I see many of the types I like, curvy and natural looking. On the escort websites for Bogota I see endless skinny Barbie types who all look the same to me, not my types at all. Are there any clubs with more BBW types, tits and ass? That is my type! More likely maybe in a club in Santa Fe than in Zona Norte maybe? From my experience the more expensive the place, the skinnier the chicas get! I note the discussions between you guys about the area being dangerous or not during the day, but I don't see the fun in a mongering vacation of just calling escorts to come to your apartment or hotel, you experience nothing that way (except for the sex of course).

Just so I understand correctly, for Chapinero and Zona Norte you are referring to clubs, right? Not chicks standing in front of short term hotels? Is that action reserved to the Santa Fe area? Another thing, when does the weather cheer up a bit, I don't want to be burnt to a crisp but will think twice about coming if it's overcast any rainy every day in Bogota and Medellin. I get enough of that living on Belgium! Is the weather better in Jan or Feb than it is now? And the elevation, thin air, has that affected anybody's mongering abilities, as it is at 2640 metres, and I am getting on a bit!

Info on Bogota is as recent as 2015 and it is not safe. Not much point to hide the facts as it may encourage some people to get too relaxed or loosen guards. Over 3000 street robberies in Chapinero alone which has a small population of 150,000 only and is supposed to be the safest place in entire Colombia (or that is what my potential airbnb hosts told me).

[URL]http://colombiareports.com/bogota-crime-statistics/[/URL]

I have also read in reviews that people often complaining about looks too! Though I see plenty of beautiful pictures in Bogota escorts sites! (I attached a few in my previous post) so why not calling them instead? This makes me wonder and suspect that definitely most and likely all these beautiful pictures are fake? Or pictures or very old pictures? And to me looks is the only factor as I don't take services (I am seeking companionship only). And Routard's comment surprised me too as he was the one who recommended Zhivago (and again thank you for that) costing about 600 mil with fees and when someone asked why anyone would pay that much instead of 70 mil in Santa FE I defended his recommendation saying that may be some of us prefer safety (of North Bogota) to relatively unsafe Santa Fe but it appears that Routard wasn't impressed with my response based on his response! My apology.

[QUOTE=BogotaVisitor;1965870]Info on Bogota is as recent as 2015 and it is not safe. Not much point to hide the facts as it may encourage some people to get too relaxed or loosen guards. Over 3000 street robberies in Chapinero alone which has a small population of 150,000 only and is supposed to be the safest place in entire Colombia (or that is what my potential airbnb hosts told me).

[URL]http://colombiareports.com/bogota-crime-statistics/[/URL]

I have also read in reviews that people often complaining about looks too! Though I see plenty of beautiful pictures in Bogota escorts sites! (I attached a few in my previous post) so why not calling them instead? This makes me wonder and suspect that definitely most and likely all these beautiful pictures are fake? Or pictures or very old pictures? And to me looks is the only factor as I don't take services (I am seeking companionship only). And Routard's comment surprised me too as he was the one who recommended Zhivago (and again thank you for that) costing about 600 mil with fees and when someone asked why anyone would pay that much instead of 70 mil in Santa FE I defended his recommendation saying that may be some of us prefer safety (of North Bogota) to relatively unsafe Santa Fe but it appears that Routard wasn't impressed with my response based on his response! My apology.[/QUOTE]Bogota has a population of roughly 12 million, with a high population density. While Chapinero may have 150,000 population, it is surrounded on 3 sides by the rest of the city, with a lot of street traffic. If they have 3000 robberies per year, that's just over 8 per day. Figuring roughly 90,000 additional people per day (visitors and employees), it gives you about a 1 in 30,000 chance of being victim of a crime.

Of course, that's a low estimate because there are a lot of businesses in Chapinero and a lot of visitors. That is probably too high of a risk for you, but for most people it's acceptable.

For comparison, let's do the Chapinero per capita crime rate, 3000/150,000 = 2000/100,000. Now let's compare to the province of Quebec, Canada, 5909/100,000 (2006 statistics). So, the incredibly dangerous neighborhood of Chapinero is 3 times safer than the 2nd safest province in Canada, considered by most to be one of the safest countries in the world. Clearly we should all be terrified.

Wherever you travel there are risks and there are ways to reduce the risks. If you're too worried about the risks, then stay home. The last thing Bogota, or any other city needs is a paranoid tourist who is terrified to leave his hotel room (not realizing that any escort who comes into your room may rob you. Also not realizing that thieves and scam artists hang out at the airport, because they know the incoming tourists are carrying lots of cash).

You want to stay in a safe, secure apartment, that will not check the ID of any of the roughly 25 strangers you plan to invite to your room and you're worried about safety?

You do whatever you think will work for you. You're obviously the expert. However, until you actually go to Bogota, walk the streets and visit the different neighborhoods, don't try to tell the people who combined have spent thousands of hours there, how safe it is.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1965950]Bogota has a population of roughly 12 million, with a high population density. While Chapinero may have 150,000 population, it is surrounded on 3 sides by the rest of the city, with a lot of street traffic. If they have 3000 robberies per year, that's just over 8 per day. Figuring roughly 90,000 additional people per day (visitors and employees), it gives you about a 1 in 30,000 chance of being victim of a crime.

Of course, that's a low estimate because there are a lot of businesses in Chapinero and a lot of visitors. That is probably too high of a risk for you, but for most people it's acceptable.

For comparison, let's do the Chapinero per capita crime rate, 3000/150,000 = 2000/100,000. Now let's compare to the province of Quebec, Canada, 5909/100,000 (2006 statistics). So, the incredibly dangerous neighborhood of Chapinero is 3 times safer than the 2nd safest province in Canada, considered by most to be one of the safest countries in the world..[/QUOTE]You are inventing statistics. As per link below for 2015 comparison there has been 48 robberies per 100,000 in Quebec. Even if you add all assault types it is still about 600 per 100,000 significantly less than 2000 for Chapinero.

[URL]http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/legal50b-eng.htm[/URL]

There are travel advisories for Colombia and Bogota in place as we speak and the best comparison on relative safety are the two link below.

[URL]https://www.numbeo.com/crime/in/Bogota[/URL]

[URL]https://www.numbeo.com/crime/in/Montreal[/URL]

However, if you wish to deny the facts and statistics then that is your privilege but please don't advise others falsely as how safe Bogota is so that they make an inform decision regarding their travel plans and where or which parts of Bogota to visit and have their guards down.

[QUOTE=BogotaVisitor;1965870] And Routard's comment surprised me too as he was the one who recommended Zhivago (and again thank you for that) costing about 600 mil with fees and when someone asked why anyone would pay that much instead of 70 mil in Santa FE I defended his recommendation saying that may be some of us prefer safety (of North Bogota) to relatively unsafe Santa Fe but it appears that Routard wasn't impressed with my response based on his response! My apology.[/QUOTE]Don't worry, it was just a comment for my own life. Crime statitics will not prevent me from living my life and going anywhere in Colombia. But I understand perfectly that for other people safety is more important, so I recommend them other areas than Santa Fe. Anyone his own life. Most important is that you enjoy your stay, return home safely with good memories from Colombia.

I don't think you will have any trouble with the heat.

Yes to the question about chicas standing in front of motels in Santa Fe and not in the North.

January and February would be their Summer.

[QUOTE=Coupe66;1965819]
Just so I understand correctly, for Chapinero and Zona Norte you are referring to clubs, right? Not chicks standing in front of short term hotels? Is that action reserved to the Santa Fe area?
Another thing, when does the weather cheer up a bit, I don't want to be burnt to a crisp but will think twice about coming if it's overcast any rainy every day in Bogota and Medellin. I get enough of that living on Belgium! Is the weather better in Jan or Feb than it is now? And the elevation, thin air, has that affected anybody's mongering abilities, as it is at 2640 metres, and I am getting on a bit![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BogotaVisitor;1966031]You are inventing statistics. As per link below for 2015 comparison there has been 48 robberies per 100,000 in Quebec. Even if you add all assault types it is still about 600 per 100,000 significantly less than 2000 for Chapinero.

[URL]http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/legal50b-eng.htm[/URL]

There are travel advisories for Colombia and Bogota in place as we speak and the best comparison on relative safety are the two link below.

[URL]https://www.numbeo.com/crime/in/Bogota[/URL]

[URL]https://www.numbeo.com/crime/in/Montreal[/URL]

However, if you wish to deny the facts and statistics then that is your privilege but please don't advise others falsely as how safe Bogota is so that they make an inform decision regarding their travel plans and where or which parts of Bogota to visit and have their guards down.[/QUOTE]This.

By no stretch of the imagination is Bogotá, and especially SF, even close to safe, and it does a tremendous disservice to other to imply otherwise.

You probably won't get kidnapped by the FARC these days, but you do stand a significant risk of a paseo millonario, theft, and mugging at knifepoint and should take appropriate precautions.

I want to take this opportunity to Help my Driver / friend Jairo get work-- he transports girls to all the UpScale casas up north and can hook you up-- But he doesn't speak a lick of English.

70 mil an hour for transportation to all casas.

Personal intro to chicas $50 mil.

Chicas start around $300 mil + transport- I believe that would be 2 hour date. Attached just a few chicas. There will be more- Jairo has to get photos -- he has Many Hot Chica contacts.

I will Field all requests for Jairo-- so PM me.

I'm available for guiding and reservations / travel arrangements.

Why do these kinds of posts bother me?

[QUOTE=Woodman09;1966239]I want to take this opportunity to Help my Driver / friend Jairo get work-- he transports girls to all the UpScale casas up north and can hook you up-- But he doesn't speak a lick of English.

70 mil an hour for transportation to all casas.

Personal intro to chicas $50 mil.

Chicas start around $300 mil + transport- I believe that would be 2 hour date. Attached just a few chicas. There will be more- Jairo has to get photos -- he has Many Hot Chica contacts.

I will Field all requests for Jairo-- so PM me.

I'm available for guiding and reservations / travel arrangements.[/QUOTE]

While the Northern parts of Bogota are safer, it's by no means a walk in the park. I've had many lady friends and student friends robbed at knife point or with a gun. Most occur near the bus stops or around the colleges and they usually work in teams so be aware of who's looking at you. Student backpacks are full of phones and laptops and they know it. In fact, many of them have been robbed multiple times. I cruised SF with Woodman a few years ago and his advice is spot on. However I felt the later it got the more vulnerable I felt. My advice would be to be out of there by 8 or 9 pm. Also, remember its always advisable to call your own taxi then to jump into any street cab. I have been traveling to Colombia 5 or 6 times a year for about 6 or 7 years now and have never encountered a problem but I still will never let my guard down even in the barrios of Chico Norte or Chico Navarra, where I usually stay.

Hi dear members,

This question has been asked many times but very seldom answered. People asking for a Chica friendly hotel in Bogota. I share what I can (based on hearsay because I haven't been there myself yet).

It is recommendation here recently that Lloyds apartment Hotel and B3 Virrey are both girl friendly (many thanks to those who posted the recommendations). I also read somewhere to avoid Embassy hotel as they take pictures of your visitors and treat them badly.

It also is recommended below.

Bogotá.

Hotel El Virrey.

Sofitel Victoria Regia, Carrera 13#85-80 Cundinamarca.

That above two hotels are girl friendly, you can find other cities and countries too.

However, the first one is in a questionable area and second one is more than I can afford for a room.

So if you do know of any other in North parts of Bogota please let us all know.

[QUOTE=Chesscat;1966503]Why do these kinds of posts bother me?[/QUOTE]Knowing Woodman I doubt he's on commision with the driver, even if he was, so what! This kind of info is very valuable for a newbee or even a seasoned travelers first Bogota visit. It enables a first time Bogota visitor to hit the ground running, a way to be spoon fed the lay of the land.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;1966239]I want to take this opportunity to Help my Driver / friend Jairo get work-- he transports girls to all the UpScale casas up north and can hook you up-- But he doesn't speak a lick of English.

70 mil an hour for transportation to all casas.

Personal intro to chicas $50 mil.

Chicas start around $300 mil + transport- I believe that would be 2 hour date. Attached just a few chicas. There will be more- Jairo has to get photos -- he has Many Hot Chica contacts.

I will Field all requests for Jairo-- so PM me.

I'm available for guiding and reservations / travel arrangements.[/QUOTE]FYI, pimping is illegal in Colombia. There is a fine line with getting paid to introduce and pimping. Sounds like another Jake in the works.

[QUOTE=BogotaVisitor;1966518]Hi dear members,

This question has been asked many times but very seldom answered. People asking for a Chica friendly hotel in Bogota. I share what I can (based on hearsay because I haven't been there myself yet).

It is recommendation here recently that Lloyds apartment Hotel and B3 Virrey are both girl friendly (many thanks to those who posted the recommendations). I also read somewhere to avoid Embassy hotel as they take pictures of your visitors and treat them badly.

It also is recommended below.

Bogot.

Hotel El Virrey.

Sofitel Victoria Regia, Carrera 13#85-80 Cundinamarca.

That above two hotels are girl friendly, you can find other cities and countries too.

However, the first one is in a questionable area and second one is more than I can afford for a room.

So if you do know of any other in North parts of Bogota please let us all know.[/QUOTE]There is no reply because it has been discussed frequently that hotels are generally not girl friendly in Colombia and many go the apartment route. If you really want to risk hotels, at least book for 2. And even then it is no sure thing.