[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]Good for you. Personally, i have respect for sponsors, atleast they have a big heart. [/QUOTE]
A big heart won't get you very far in Thailand. In fact, it's a weakness. But most sponsors are weak people anyways.
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[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]Good for you. Personally, i have respect for sponsors, atleast they have a big heart. [/QUOTE]
A big heart won't get you very far in Thailand. In fact, it's a weakness. But most sponsors are weak people anyways.
[QUOTE=Amjeck]A big heart won't get you very far in Thailand. In fact, it's a weakness. But most sponsors are weak people anyways.[/QUOTE]
No, most sponsors have more money than they need to enjoy the lifestyle they have chosen. And, all of this discussion about "being used" or not having "respect" from these girls that are just trying to survive, is dismaying. Don't ever do anything that you don't want to do! I say: "live your fantasy even if you are old, probably a little fat, and maybe bald. You know, those that sleep with their mouths open. Look in the dictionary you will see their photo. Jackson needs to add this to the definitions. Yep, those are the folks that have the cash to "sponsor". The old fuckers often get the cream of the crop? Now, is that fair. And, applying rudimentary economic reality, these sponsorships tend to increase the price from the casual buyer. Hey, don't blame me, I just the messenger.
And, who gives a shit whether your little darling has a number of sponsors, as long as she is not servicing another sponsor when your are a sponsor and are with her. Not likely unless you are into threesomes with someone that looks like you. My answer is, no thanks.
Fuck, respect yourself. If a sponsorship is your choice, then own it. Besides, all this "respect" bullshit is really a reflection of ego, and it is an insecure one who is looking for respect from a young girl who sells her body for her bread. At least when you die there will be at least one person who will think that your life had meaning. Get it?
If you want to have a big heart then maybe you should donate to an orphanage or people who really need it.
If you haven't noticed, working girls in thailand aren't exactly starving.
Sponsoring them has no practical purpose.
[QUOTE=Amjeck]A big heart won't get you very far in Thailand.[/QUOTE]I don't know about that... got me into Bumrungrad :)
[QUOTE=Legal Tender]
And, who gives a shit whether your little darling has a number of sponsors, as long as she is not servicing another sponsor when your are a sponsor and are with her. [/QUOTE]
I've literally fucked thai girls as they are on the phone to their sponsors in a western country. My cock slides in and out of their pussy as they say "thanks babe for the western union.... I love you too...." Then I tell them in Thai "dumb farang" and they nod in agreement.
IMO if you sponsor a prostitute you are a fool. If you pick a non-pro quality girl who deserves sponsoring, then that is something different.
It's your life and can do what you want, but I'm entitled to my opinion.
[QUOTE=Legal Tender]...The old fuckers often get the cream of the crop? Now, is that fair. And, applying rudimentary economic reality, these sponsorships tend to increase the price from the casual buyer. Hey, don't blame me, I just the messenger...[/QUOTE]
Hey, I'm one of the "old fuckers" enjoying the cream of the crop. Of course it's fair. I don't have to sponsor them -- I fuck them while their sponsors sit at home wanking at their computers while wiring them money. I pay them less than the tourist market rates because of all the sponsor gravy they're getting.
And, I also enjoy their respect, if only for the fact that they know I'm not a damned fool.
[QUOTE=Amjeck]I've literally fucked thai girls as they are on the phone to their sponsors in a western country. My cock slides in and out of their pussy as they say "thanks babe for the western union.... I love you too...." Then I tell them in Thai "dumb farang" and they nod in agreement.
IMO if you sponsor a prostitute you are a fool. If you pick a non-pro quality girl who deserves sponsoring, then that is something different.
It's your life and can do what you want, but I'm entitled to my opinion.[/QUOTE]
And your opinion is absolutely correct, not only in Thailand but in the Philippines (where I live) and in Cambodia (where I am now) as well. The fact is that the two week wonders who come over to this part of the world and fall instantly in love with some bar girl do not and never will get it. They don't stay long enough to learn anything, and they remain absolutely convinced, despite what they may read on forums like this, that their girls are "different." All that those of us who live here can do is shake our collective heads in wonderment at the naivete of these guys.
GE
Once again I don't care, I don't want any respect from a Thai hooker, it's all about money with these girls. A PHD. Psychologist, once told me, "that not a single human action is done without motivation."
Even the posts here including our mongering fraternity and sharing of intel, is to prevent price inflation, and to share the efficient access to the tasty female Thai flesh. All selfish reasons for every single individual reader/member.
My sponsorship of 6000-9000-10,000+ bht per month (depending on my mood), itself is a form of entertainment and perhaps a form of control over these women. I make her do things with her life, usually for the better. Now for free pussy & respect, If I put my life on hold to live in Thailand (ie. Not fight the west's economic jungle). I would probably pay nothing for the pussy, and I would probably screw some girls for free.
Bending some hookers mind to give it up for free is not too difficult. I am neither fat, old, short or bald. A many 25 year old pretty and financially independent*keyword* females, regularly chase me. Of course we all have our Thai hooker, fetish on the side.
Now back to the topic, those same gals that some of our expats are doing for free, have their own motivations (motives such as to perhaps to get out of LOS, or may the Thai Media's fascination with half falang babies, or it could be a thai/farang rebound) These Thai Nymphs perhaps have ten other Expat farangs they do on the side;. More hooks in water to get out of their lot.
I find it amusing, for the expat farangs on this board to think, they are special. It's just a market of flesh, buying and selling. Demand and supply in the carnival of flesh. You all sponsor them and your selves in your own way.
[QUOTE=Saint Mint]When you say 'respect from any Thai is a daunting task,' what are you basing this on?[/QUOTE]I think it's a fair statement as regards tourists, especially sex tourists. But then tourists really don't need the respect of locals, so it's not that big a deal.
If you live and work here, then respect from your colleagues isn't an option -- it's a necessity. Like you, I haven't found it hard to earn. And if you can't earn it on merit, then money, power, and age will generally do it.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]And your opinion is absolutely correct.... GE[/QUOTE]Come on GE. Of course the two week millionaires are always fun to laugh at but when you travel and live in the region and a working girl you've known and fucked and enjoy asks you for the equivalent of 100 USD to help for whatever reason what's wrong with giving it?
I'll flush that 100 bucks as usually it comes back to me in terms of performance, freebies, on call duties, introduction of friends, being first customer of new girls, "special" services not normally offered etc. So I look at it as an investment.
I guess some folks think giving a girl 2,000 baht or 3,000 baht to be sponsoring. And to me that's not sponsoring that's flushing with hopes of it being an investment to be paid back later. And if it is not paid back in full later by services rendered then I'm not sorry to see that 100 bucks to go bye bye.
I'll just say there is a difference between fronting a few baht or peso and full time monthly remittances IMHO. Just remember whatever you give a girl say good bye to it without ever expecting to see it or services again. If you can give the money without harming yourself or your family and feeling OK about flushing it then so what.
Overall, my track record on the 100 USD equivalent fronting of funds in peso and baht, my investment record is pretty damn good.
Years ago, I ran across a Lao woman dancing in a gogo in Patpong. I was staying in a local hotel while working in Bangkok. I would walk through the Patpong every night for something to do. I saw her and realized she was really out of place. She was very skinny and not good looking. She was never going to make any money. We talked and I found she just started her career working the bars. She had kids and parents to support, much like nearly every girl working the bars in Thailand.
I would often stop to see her and slip her a hundred baht. Our agreement was that she would sit with me and keep the buy-me-drink girls away while I watched the dancers. She got the cash and I avoided buying worthless drinks for a woman who really needed cash. One woman at the bar asked why I did it. I just said she is my lucky. She understood.
I often buy a meal for a girl or slip her a few baht for her time sitting with me. It is a good thing to do for someone who is living as a prostitute in a situation most of us could never imagine our daughters in. I think it gets me more merit than the Thais who make breakfast for the monks that I often see in Pantit buying MP3s for their Ipods. Try it some time. You may be surprised that you like it.
anyone knows how much the russian "euporeans" girls are charging on walking st? there a couple of bars there and i peeked in, but was with my gf so didnt have the opp to inquiry.
-i do prefer 18. 22 y/o tanned/brown spinners ideally < 100 lbs, < 5 ft 3 in (< 46 kg, < 160 cm) with natural be cups and long, unhighlighted/uncolored hair, who haven't had any kids.
-i love the go-gos mostly because of their lack of clothing. i like them in the shower or doing the jacuzzi thing, but i'm not interested in the 22:00ish shows or sleazy stuff.
1) a-go-gos
a) superbaby. open 20:00. 03:00,
pros: hottest girls
cons: expensive, you have to pay the total cost to the waitress/mamasan before pulling the escort (bar fine + st or lt prices which are non-negotiable), escorts will do a bj only with a condom on (so of course there's no cim)
b) supergirl. open 20:00. 03:00
pros: after superbaby it has the hottest girls; escorts dancing on stage and in the jacuzzi are a little livelier than at superbaby
cons: same as superbaby
misc: superbaby and supergirl have the same owners and caters to japanese clientèle
c) airport. 20:00. 04:00, [url]http://bit. ly/c0ygup[/url]
pros: hot airline/stewardess motif and outfits
cons: expensive, heineken draft is baht 85 ($3)
misc: superbaby+supergirl+airport are my top three favorite go-gos
d) peppermint. closes at 03:00 (or is it 04:00?)
pros: biggest(?) collection of escorts, baht 59 ($2) draft beer happy hour
cons: in april 2010 there were few hot girls
e) beach. closes at 04:00
pros: baht 59 ($2) draft beer happy hour
cons: in april 2010 there were few hot girls
f) baccara
pros: baht 59 ($2) draft beer happy hour, easy chair around the stage are most comfortable client seats in any pattaya go-go
cons: no comment
misc: baccara, angelwitch, beer garden, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] (bj specialty) and devil's den (threesome specialty) all have branches in bangkok
g) what's up playgirl
pros: girls swinging over your head using the o-rings dangling from the ceiling
cons: expensive
h) iron
pros: no comment
cons: baht 215 ($7) for a lady drink shot
i) happy
pros: baht 59 ($2) draft beer happy hour
cons: no comment
j) champions
pros: baht 35 ($1) draft beer happy hour
cons: i've never seen a single attractive girl in there
k) beavers
pros: baht 55 ($2) draft beer happy hour
cons: rarely attractive girls inside
l) roxy
pros: baht 65 ($2) bottled chang beer
cons: no comment
m) windmill
pros: baht 45 ($1. 50) draft beer happy hour
cons: too sleazy for me (eg audience members fingerbanging escorts, etc; that stuff should be in a private room)
n) misty's
pros: no comment
cons: too sleazy for me (escorts with strap ons screwing each other, etc)
o) tramps, utopia
pros: cheap draft beer happy hour
cons: both go-gos had few girls, all of them unappealing
p) angelwitch
pros: they have the best shows, one part involving a boa constrictor
cons: expensive
2) discos aka dance clubs
pros: good for picking up freelancers/amateurs; no escorts asking you to buy them a lady drink
cons: they tend to have expensive drinks; bathroom attendants are irritating (trying to massage you/crack your back, etc, while you're using the urinal or sink, then expecting a baht 20+ tip)
misc: soi 6 closes at 01:00 and the go-gos are closed by 03:00 or 04:00, so whenever the escorts get off work some will migrate to the discos
a) candyshop
pros: dj+live band playing pop music, good lighting to see what the girls look like
cons: no comment
b) tony's
pros: place looks nice
cons: clientele always seems shady to me so i avoid tony's
c) lucifer's
pros: huge; front 1/3 has a live band and rear 2/3 has a large dance club
cons: dark so tough to see what the girls look like
d) marine
pros: large dance floor
cons: no comment
misc: recommend going here around 01:00. 03:00
e) insomnia
pros: they have hired dancers to dance on the go-go stages; i think they have the cheapest drinks of all the discos; open until around 08:00
cons: cramped
misc: recommend going here after you're done with marine disco
3) misc
a) pattaya beer garden
pros: nice location over the water, fairly good food at reasonable prices
cons: available freelancers there never seem hot and are unwilling to go st 500 or lt 1, 000
b) dream teen pattaya massage. [url]www.dream-teen-massage.com[/url]
pros: good massage
cons: difficult to locate (it's directly east of siam bayview hotel/central festival), girls were ok looking
misc: pim, my masseuse, was 23 y/o with one kid; she kept her clothes on even when showering me; during the "ball massage" portion she offered a hand job if i would tip her baht 500 ($16), bj for baht 1, 000 ($32) and bj+intercourse for baht 1, 500 ($48), amount of tip for each service was negotiable
c) [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. bj specialty, [url]www.lolitaspattaya.com[/url]
pros: opens at 10:00, free pick-up service
cons: girls ok looking
d) soi 6 businesses. open 13:00. 01:00, st specialty
pros: total cost of baht 800 ($25) or baht 1, 000 ($32) for full service from escort and use of the st room upstairs (= baht 300 to bar for the barfine and use of the st room + baht 500 or baht 700 to the escort)
cons: no comment
[QUOTE=InventionGuy]Once again I don't care...
... I find it amusing, for the expat farangs on this board to think, they are special. It's just a market of flesh, buying and selling. Demand and supply in the carnival of flesh. You all sponsor them and your selves in your own way.[/QUOTE]
We still don't know why you haven't posted a single report for almost 7 years. Read again the end of this post: [post]1011925[/post]
I don't understand what you really want to know with your first post ever in these forums. As it seems, reading your second and third posts, you are not really seeking any "battlefield" intelligence or advice. But your contributions are more and more "trollish", at least, to my eyes.
Anyway, this discussion might interest other members, but IMHO, it really should take place in another thread: [url="http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1036"]this one[/url], if you really require our opinions and advice about your Thai girlfriend, or [url="http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=3065"]this other thread[/url], if you want to discuss about the mores of the local expatriates in Thailand.
[QUOTE=InventionGuy]Once again I don't care, I don't want any respect from a Thai hooker, it's all about money with these girls. A PHD. Psychologist, once told me, "that not a single human action is done without motivation."
Even the posts here including our mongering fraternity and sharing of intel, is to prevent price inflation, and to share the efficient access to the tasty female Thai flesh. All selfish reasons for every single individual reader/member.
My sponsorship of 6000-9000-10,000+ bht per month (depending on my mood), itself is a form of entertainment and perhaps a form of control over these women. I make her do things with her life, usually for the better. Now for free pussy & respect, If I put my life on hold to live in Thailand (ie. Not fight the west's economic jungle). I would probably pay nothing for the pussy, and I would probably screw some girls for free.
Bending some hookers mind to give it up for free is not too difficult. I am neither fat, old, short or bald. A many 25 year old pretty and financially independent*keyword* females, regularly chase me. Of course we all have our Thai hooker, fetish on the side.
Now back to the topic, those same gals that some of our expats are doing for free, have their own motivations (motives such as to perhaps to get out of LOS, or may the Thai Media's fascination with half falang babies, or it could be a thai/farang rebound) These Thai Nymphs perhaps have ten other Expat farangs they do on the side;. More hooks in water to get out of their lot.
I find it amusing, for the expat farangs on this board to think, they are special. It's just a market of flesh, buying and selling. Demand and supply in the carnival of flesh. You all sponsor them and your selves in your own way.[/QUOTE]I have been on both sides of the fence. Both times I have felt comfortable and uncomfortable.
Sponsoring. Comfortable with sending money but, uncomfortable when, sometimes, she called the next day to say she had spent it.
Ex-Pat Living in Thailand. For me, there is nothing worse that being in bed with a girl and the phone rings. If it is a sponsor she will be running into the bathroom, upstairs, downstairs or outside. If it is her Thai husband/boyfriend again she will seek somewhere private. For me this is uncomfortable. I usually leave.