Lisbon

Saw her at the weekend (last girl on my list that I hadn't seen from EP).

Looks are ok but I thought she was poorly dressed in a weird pantsuit and v neck sweater. Not a big deal, but the appearance and fashion adds to the allure. Average, mildly cute face, light skinned black girl with curly hair (she wore a wig in the photos). Bad acne scars on her cheeks, though. Body is nice and toned. She is very petite and tight, but can take a pounding (despite claiming her hips were hurting in missionary). Overall, I'd say she looks less sexy than the photos and younger than advertised. Could easily pass for 18. In this particular case, I considered it a negative.

BJ was pretty good and she is attentive, but in my opinion somewhat cold. Her English is good but she doesn't have much to say for herself. Meek, not submissive. Might be jaded by now. For that reason, I got the sex over with faster than usual and sent her on her way just after an hour into the two hour booking. From the brief conversation we had, I gathered she prefers older clients that are easier to please and have less stamina.

One thing. I had seen reviews that she refuses oral on her, so I asked if that was true. She said it was down to clients doing it poorly, so we gave it a try and she did come but it took quite some time. She was physically very tense during the start of the booking.

[QUOTE=PER23;2803916]One thing. I had seen reviews that she refuses oral on her, so I asked if that was true. She said it was down to clients doing it poorly, so we gave it a try and she did come but it took quite some time. She was physically very tense during the start of the booking.[/QUOTE]Wow. Thanks for mentioning this. I had actually made note of this and was planning to ask her about DATY before booking. She's back on my list. Young and natural. Sounds like my kind of girl.

I decided to try something new today and got in touch with Carolina today based on favorable reviews.

Here are my thoughts:

-she is hot, but not necessarily hotter than the favorably rated EP girls.

-she has a good attitude, but seemed was a little lukewarm. Maybe just first meet vibes or because I'm not portuguese?

-I paid the foreigner tax, 200 + "uber" which is fine to kick the tires.

-she wasn't cool with CIM, which seemed odd based on reviews but whatever.

-she was in and out in 30 min.

Overall it was nice to meet her but will stick with the well reviewed EP girls moving forward. Maybe I caught her on an off night.

I had seen that on the local board. There was a period where reports had her asking for more money, and she was leaving early. My own take on it was that one needed to exercise their own time management to get the most from her, and to make it clear you knew her rate was supposed to be 170. Basically, she may or may not haggle.

If she has raised her rates to 200 on the regular, that isn't worth it, IMO. As you say, there are a few EP girls in the same league (even if it's like comparing the Orioles to the Red Sox or Yankees) and less complicated; and for 150, you can get a great incall lady to care for you.

Mind you, she was always a girl who offered just one pop per hour. That is what I mean by time management. She doesn't rush things, but when you're done, she doesn't linger. As for CIM, I don't recall anyone reporting she did that. Some don't.

[QUOTE=PeteMpls;2804521]I decided to try something new today and got in touch with Carolina today based on favorable reviews.

Here are my thoughts:

-she is hot, but not necessarily hotter than the favorably rated EP girls.

-she has a good attitude, but seemed was a little lukewarm. Maybe just first meet vibes or because I'm not portuguese?

-I paid the foreigner tax, 200 + "uber" which is fine to kick the tires.

-she wasn't cool with CIM, which seemed odd based on reviews but whatever.

-she was in and out in 30 min.

Overall it was nice to meet her but will stick with the well reviewed EP girls moving forward. Maybe I caught her on an off night.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ExExpatriate;2804747]I had seen that on the local board. There was a period where reports had her asking for more money, and she was leaving early. My own take on it was that one needed to exercise their own time management to get the most from her, and to make it clear you knew her rate was supposed to be 170. Basically, she may or may not haggle.

If she has raised her rates to 200 on the regular, that isn't worth it, IMO. As you say, there are a few EP girls in the same league (even if it's like comparing the Orioles to the Red Sox or Yankees) and less complicated; and for 150, you can get a great incall lady to care for you.

Mind you, she was always a girl who offered just one pop per hour. That is what I mean by time management. She doesn't rush things, but when you're done, she doesn't linger. As for CIM, I don't recall anyone reporting she did that. Some don't.[/QUOTE]You definitely want to be assertive with these girls. Not to sound like a dick about this, but they need the money more than you need to see them specifically. Carolina works with Ariana Pilar / Debora Pires (also ex-EP) as a duo. I saw Ariana a few times last winter after she left EP and she quoted 400 for two hours, plus travel costs. I offered her 300, take it or leave it. She was at my place 45 minutes later.

Maybe that's just me, but none of these ladies are that special, price is just a bargaining tool and the person who needs the money least has the leverage.

[QUOTE=PER23;2804760]You definitely want to be assertive with these girls. Not to sound like a dick about this, but they need the money more than you need to see them specifically. Carolina works with Ariana Pilar / Debora Pires (also ex-EP) as a duo. I saw Ariana a few times last winter after she left EP and she quoted 400 for two hours, plus travel costs. I offered her 300, take it or leave it. She was at my place 45 minutes later.

Maybe that's just me, but none of these ladies are that special, price is just a bargaining tool and the person who needs the money least has the leverage.[/QUOTE]It all makes sense. I didn't have my head on straight when I decided to reach out to her so I was a little sloppy. Appreciate the great info here guys, it makes things way more predictable and enjoyable.

The way I look at it is this. I've been with Flora Neves and Carolina Belmont. Is Carolina worth 20 euros more an hour + a little hassle in time management? Probably, but that is really down to your taste and sense of discipline. The difference between them is real, but not large.

But 50 euros? Pah. I'd kick Carolina to the curb, spend a little more and do two hours with Flora any day.

20 euros is debatable. 50+Uber isn't. 50+Uber reaches the half hour rate for a lot of photo-verified incall ladies.

[QUOTE=PeteMpls;2804876]It all makes sense. I didn't have my head on straight when I decided to reach out to her so I was a little sloppy. Appreciate the great info here guys, it makes things way more predictable and enjoyable.[/QUOTE]

Just read on the (hilarious) local board that Solange Abreu is the detestable Mafalda.

At least they took her out to the beach for the photoshoot. Poor thing (kidding).

Thought I'd give you fair warning as they tend to position the new girls and the ones with new photos (like Samanta Lima) near the top of the page.

Off topic, but I see Ariana Luz is now off the EP site. Too bad, she was one of the most unique looking women I've ever seen. 6 ft with a six pack, a fitness model body and very feminine. I saw her on Christmas Day last year which was a novel experience.

Might be because I've been living here for a while and seen quite a few EP girls more than once, but I've got a lot of their numbers and instagram details etc.

Anyone else experienced this? I'd say 50% of the ladies I've seen have offered to pass me their number. I always ask for the Instagram as well and they have no issue handing that over even though it has their real name etc.

Still hear from some of them occasionally but I only book one privately. One has her plastic surgery photos documented on Insta and frankly, it's shocking to see the before and after.

They're obviously trying to undercut the agency and find some regulars. I have been told that a lot of escorts have been fired for trying that since most are doing this short term and want to get to a certain income faster without paying out 40%.

Wondering if that's what happened to Sandra Moura, who's now going by Francisca Moura on Mulheres and PortalPrivado?

Strangely Sandra is still on EP as a threesome with Joana Montenegro and Julia Nobrega, but she's gone as a standalone.

[QUOTE=PER23;2805249]

They're obviously trying to undercut the agency and find some regulars. I have been told that a lot of escorts have been fired for trying that since most are doing this short term and want to get to a certain income faster without paying out 40%.

Wondering if that's what happened to Sandra Moura, who's now going by Francisca Moura on Mulheres and PortalPrivado?[/QUOTE]

EP does that. If one girl in a duo ad is still active, they leave the ad up. It's SOP for them.

Whenever I meet an EP girl I want to see again, and I anticipate being able to return to Lisbon at regular intervals, I ask about setting up a side channel and cutting out the agency. I didn't do that this last time, for example, because my next time won't be in Lisbon proper hardly at all, and the time after that was 8 months later. A lot can change for those girls over 8 months.

My incall ladies who retired, but continued to see me outcall afterward? They both took the lead in setting that up.

[QUOTE=Harry1217;2805395]Strangely Sandra is still on EP as a threesome with Joana Montenegro and Julia Nobrega, but she's gone as a standalone.[/QUOTE]

A bizarre SOP. If one girl is not active, it's not possible to book that combination of girls but they leave the duo / threesome ad up.

[QUOTE=ExExpatriate;2805412]EP does that. If one girl in a duo ad is still active, they leave the ad up. It's SOP for them.

Whenever I meet an EP girl I want to see again, and I anticipate being able to return to Lisbon at regular intervals, I ask about setting up a side channel and cutting out the agency. I didn't do that this last time, for example, because my next time won't be in Lisbon proper hardly at all, and the time after that was 8 months later. A lot can change for those girls over 8 months.

My incall ladies who retired, but continued to see me outcall afterward? They both took the lead in setting that up.[/QUOTE]

Just kicked Valeria Diaz out after exactly 16 minutes. She's weird as fuck. Twitchy and sweaty, like she was on speed. Didn't like her vibe at all. She's got something weird going on.

I saw that was being said on the local board recently too.

Valeria has been with EP for more than a year now; her current ad is her third photo essay. Until very recently -- like the last couple of weeks recently -- she was very well reviewed here, on the local board, and (according to Mongerer) on the big US board. The main complaint about her was, if one was made, was that she was closer to 40 than 30. Friendly, attractive, petite, very willing. She is also probably a single mom with a day job, doing this as a side hustle; she is only available from 6 to 9.

But you are now the second person to say she was wigged out on arrival. I never put too much stock in a single outlier against many positives, but yours makes two!

Burnout? She's off her meds or doing some meds to work?

[QUOTE=PER23;2806098]Just kicked Valeria Diaz out after exactly 16 minutes. She's weird as fuck. Twitchy and sweaty, like she was on speed. Didn't like her vibe at all. She's got something weird going on.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ExExpatriate;2806290]I saw that was being said on the local board recently too.

Valeria has been with EP for more than a year now; her current ad is her third photo essay. Until very recently -- like the last couple of weeks recently -- she was very well reviewed here, on the local board, and (according to Mongerer) on the big US board. The main complaint about her was, if one was made, was that she was closer to 40 than 30. Friendly, attractive, petite, very willing. She is also probably a single mom with a day job, doing this as a side hustle; she is only available from 6 to 9.

But you are now the second person to say she was wigged out on arrival. I never put too much stock in a single outlier against many positives, but yours makes two!

Burnout? She's off her meds or doing some meds to work?[/QUOTE]Should have provided more detail on this very brief encounter. To me, she's pretty unattractive and at least 40. Body's decent but her face is extremely sunken and wrinkled. I doubt you would have noticed her socially in the 1990's. She's "quirky" to the point of irritating. Imagine her pausing the BJ every 10 seconds to make goofy faces, come up to kiss you when you've said you don't want to and referring to herself in the third person constantly asking a bunch of dumb questions about whether I like the stop and start blowjob. I actually thought she wouldn't leave when I told her to. She kept asking why as if I need to explain. Her body was cold yet sweating profusely. I think she's high as a kite or medicated. Same difference.

In summary, she's clapped out and a moron. Avoid like the plague.