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[url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/272260/centre-starts-monitoring-lese-majeste[/url]
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Be very careful what websites you read from inside Thailand now.
[url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/272260/centre-starts-monitoring-lese-majeste[/url]
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1229478]Just let them take your compter, snoop through it, and give it back whenever they feel like it. Don't take any precautions with your data even if you have something to hide. Just bend over, spread your cheeks and enjoy the experience.[/QUOTE]If you don't want to take it bending over read this:
[url]https://www.eff.org/document/defending-privacy-us-border-guide-travelers-carrying-digital-devices[/url]
[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1229502]Yeah, on my first trip back to the US in 5 years this past summer, I forgot to take my shaving cream out of my carry on on a domestic flight. The TSA guy was all over it and acted like he really did something. I thanked him for protecting America and winning that fucking war on terror. He thought I was being sarcastic though. I'm going back home when the shootin' starts.[/QUOTE]Man I hear what you say. I am a fairly frequent business traveler. I must admit that passing through US Customs and dealing with TSA people is one of the most unpleasant activities involved in travel. These people are hardly the best ambassadors for the good old friendly US of A!
[QUOTE=Stykler;1229714]Man I hear what you say. I am a fairly frequent business traveler. I must admit that passing through US Customs and dealing with TSA people is one of the most unpleasant activities involved in travel. These people are hardly the best ambassadors for the good old friendly US of A![/QUOTE]LAX is the worst I think in the world. Coming into the United international terminal is like walking into a Russian Goolag. Depressing and sterile.
Gents,
I am not sure that I am the Best ambassador of the USA. In the world
Because I just try to present the fact here.
Let 's see the LAX immigations and Custom services first. Bear in mind,
I appreciate the Homeland Security works for the safety and beyond.
However, quite often, It takes a long time to get through the Immigrations
Lines even for a Good USA citizen and it is true every time I travel oversea.
Now, I talk about my experiences with the Thai's Immigrations & Custom here.
It is usually take me about 15minutes at the immigration counter and that
With another 15min. At baggages claim to collect my things.
Another important things are Thai's Airports people very friendly and
Understand the frequent visitors like me with many wet Stamps
In and out BKK do make sense for a quick pass on my USA. Passport.
So, it is a very pleasant to land at Bangkok Airport.
You may get through the LAX in 2 hours vs only 30minutes in Bangkok.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1229611]I don't get it either. Out of countless trips around the world the only time my bag has ever been searched was once when I came from Bogota to New York.[/QUOTE]In 5 trips returning to Canada I got searched and interogated every time but one. This involves one to three hours after a long trip in which I may have had little sleep, and am very tired. I have come to expect that I'll be chosen for these searches which do not appear to be random in my case. So now I travel light with just a carry on backpack since it takes them less time to go through than an additional suitcase. I can imagine being there all night if I carried a PC laptop and they felt like going through it thoroughly, with too much time on their hands. One time I was even interogated at the take off terminal. Is it they pick on single guys returning from LOS, or is it just me? No way I'd tell them I was there fucking hoes, especially if it was a woman!
[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1229698]If you don't want to take it bending over read this:
[url]https://www.eff.org/document/defending-privacy-us-border-guide-travelers-carrying-digital-devices[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks, Fon Tok!
Excellent advice; read it cover to cover and bookmarked the site.
[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1229791]LAX is the worst I think in the world. Coming into the United international terminal is like walking into a Russian Goolag. Depressing and sterile.[/QUOTE]Gents,
One thing that I like BKK Suvarnabhum airports the building is very new architectural beatiful.
The LAX looks more ancient and tired
These rules and regulations are just a guideline that are pretty much just words and have no real application. No one wants to loose their freedom but the real truth we have been loosing them even before 9/11. When it comes to the airport I know a thing or two and will share them with you along with some others. After 9/11, the airlines were tanking and even with guys like myself with 25 years were on the edge of loosing their jobs. I consider and was offered jobs with TSA, Air Marshalls etc. But decided since I needed the flexibility of taking time off to travel to Thailand and didn't want to start over I decided to stick it out.
After 9/11 regardless of the guidelines they came up with a thing call Patriot Act. In security meetings they use to talk about don't worry about these guidelines that if the shit hits the fan we apply the ACT! It will trump that B. S. That pretty came from a Regional Security Adminitrator that came to brief us every quarter. The truth of the matter is aside from lawyers and someone with lots of money and power if they get you in a room the majority of us wouldn't know what to do? How many of you have been arrested? When the cops and prosecutor want the more you cry the more charges they pile on top of you and there isn't a damn thing you could do. They can break your arm and then just say it was a accident while trying to arrest you. If you don't know by now let me wake you guys up? There is no such thing as Innocent until proven guilty! Majority of us would have to spend our life savings to prove that the charges are false. Until you have been in a situation like that regardless of all the macho and bravado talk about rights they couldn't care less. They will bury a normal guy by putting you through the grinder of the justice system. Right Daddy?
We have a on going war that will never end most likely in our lifetime? It will bankrupt our country before Social Security and Medicare and that is the war on terrorism. After 9/11 they created the largest agency of them all. TSA, stands for Thousand standing around! Aside from the handful of top notch law enforcement people running the agency the rest are made up of former airline station manager and personnel because they know the airline and how the airports are operated. In the west coast some of the top guys particularly in California were my old station managers and supervisors. And to be honest they were good guys but I wouldn't allow them to even carry my jock strap! And now they are responsible for our safety in the sky. In the end, the airport is impossible to defend everyone is grasping for straw as the experts have spoken they react rather than being proactive. Even with the security measures today I can give you over a dozen ways to get in the airport or points where they can do some damage to the aircrafts.
Prior to 9/11, the airlines were responsible for their own security and when it came to the airlines what was important was the financial bottom line and that was cost. Remember the complaints about the workers can't speaking English. Well now they do speak much better and the government might not say it but what they are doing is just appearances that they know what to do and inconvienances you while you travel is one of the method that you are safe? Sure some of these employees let it get to their heads and I have dealt with them before I left. Put on that uniform and now they think they are FBI, if you think the TSA is bad upstairs you haven't dealt with the other thousands below the surface scanning and going through your bags. How many of you got you bags open and a note left inside? At every airport since 9/11 there are billions of dollars of scanning equipment below the airport departure buildings I wish I had known to buy stock in these companies they are racking up the bucks on the American taxpayer because its is a impossible task. The government keeps buying and trying!
A good friend who worked for a airline for 30 years got out in time and went to customs at SFO, I've had lunch with him on a regular bases when I'm home and he has changed the uniform and power gets to them. Only a generalization but ever noticed all the Asians Immigration officier on the West coast? I'm Asian and I even think they take the job way too serious and the rest seems to all a attitude that if you give me a hard time I will bent your ass over? My buddy has told me they would never tell you but majority of the B. S. Rules they have is to profile the individual. When it comes to Bangkok this destination has always been because of the kiddie fuckers and drugs. They will have a simple conversation or ask you a question just to feel you out to make you nervous. I have been in the back of their holding area and you would be amased as to the B. S. That people try to bring in and many of the offender are businessmen.
As for being easy to get into Bangkok, they haven't been attacked that is just common sense. They are just going through the motion until they get bombed by the muslim down south and then that will change it will be a matter of time if the yellow don't take over the airport again. I don't like loosing my freedom just like the rest of you but when it comes to the airport security it just doesn't bother me as much as the rest of you and its not because I like bending over. I take a firm belief that if you put yourself in a position for something to happen most likely it will?
Now don't get me wrong I'm one to speak up but everyone needs to pick and choose their battles? For you retirees each year you go through the process at the Immigration office for your visa like a good old boy. Every 90 days, you report grab a number and sit quietly waiting your turn watching the officier push everyone around but you do it and bend over for the Thais so that you can get yours. When you get stopped for no reason aside from being a farang on a motorbike you pay and bend over whether you like it or not! I came back to Thailand in a trip in July, the immigration officiers were moving all the Chinese tour groups through the Thai national lines while everyone else had to wait for 45 minutes. I was pissed and was going to give the officiers a peace of my mind until I realized I was now in Thailand so I kept my mouth shut because was it worth them getting them mad and screwing with my visa. I kept my mouth shut and took it like a man?
In the end, whether its LAX, SFO, HNL, you can talk all the macho bravado and loosing your rights and I say get over it. What is the hurry you went to Thailand for the cheap pussy there isn't anything cheap in the USA so just be glad the wait is shorter when you return to Thailand!
Its part of travel now so get use to it! And I'm slowly becoming a supporter of Ron Paul?
LBM,
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1230041]If you don't know by now let me wake you guys up? There is no such thing as Innocent until proven guilty! Majority of us would have to spend our life savings to prove that the charges are false. Until you have been in a situation like that regardless of all the macho and bravado talk about rights they couldn't care less. They will bury a normal guy by putting you through the grinder of the justice system.[/QUOTE]No such thing as innocent until proven guilty? You don't have to tell me about that. Once I went to court for a traffic ticket (traffic signal violation) and I said I was not guilty. They said I would be taken directly to jail to be processed. For being NOT guilty? I quickly changed my plea to guilty instead of having to go to jail, made the arrangements to pay the fine, and left the courthouse.
Another time it was a stop sign violation at 5am at a spot in my neighborhood where I know the cops always sit. I went to trial on that. I had all my ducks in a row. I asked the cop why he sat in that spot. He said his boss tells him to sit there because people are out jogging and kids are walking to school. At 5am? Did I mention it was raining that morning! I asked how many people he saw out that morning jogging or how many kids walking to school. The prosecutor objected to my question. Sustained. Being that the judge, prosecutor, and police basically work together everyday and are essentially coworkers of course I was found guilty. I had to pay $600 and do 40 hours community service for thinking I wanted to be innocent. If I would have just gone ahead and admitted guilt in the first place then I would have only had to pay $110.
Another incident happened when I was a freshman at the university. A girl said that I stole her electronic organizer. This is when they first came out. She came up to my job harassing me and my manager kicked her off the premises. The next day was Saturday and I went to the police station to see what could be done. They told me nothing could be done. The following Tuesday I was getting out of the shower in my dorm and someone informed me that campus security was looking for me. I got dressed and went to see what they wanted. They ushered me into a back room. There were two city detectives there and the first thing they said to me was,"You have the right to remain silent..." I was like what the fuck dude. Then they started questioning me trying to trick me into saying that I stole it. They were getting nowhere so they gave me a citation to appear in court on a certain date. So I paid a lawyer $600 (actually it was my dad who paid) and went to the first court date and the girl said I stole it and I said I didn't. The judge said this must go to trial. Huh? What the hell are we at now? It was pre-trial. $600 lawyer fee down the tubes. I had to go to jail for 8 hours to be processed.
When my court date finally came the girl did not show. Well the prosecutor thought there was enough evidence to change it to another date in order to allow the girl to show up. What evidence? It was my word against hers. No witnesses or anything. When the next date came she didn't show up again. They said forget it, you can go home now. 20 years and 10 months later that shit is still on my record. Every time I have wanted to do anything I have had to get a freaking certified copy saying it was thrown out of court. And you are going to tell me there is a such thing as innocent until proven guilty. HELL NO it ain't. They will put you through so much shit and make you pay so much money with lawyers and such if you think you want to be not guilty that it is just much less of a hassle and costs a lot less to just say you were guilty in the first place.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1230084]No such thing as innocent until proven guilty? You don't have to tell me about that.[/QUOTE]Sir, in your story there are sufficient details to identify you as all is kept in archives. What you have been stating and implying is an offense to a liberal and democrat System who has the fellow citizens as a priority. You have been accusing the system to be unfair and against your rights. As such is impossible in the System, you are charged of offence to the System. Are you pleading guilty or non guilty?
Just kidding of course and I hear what you say. Yours are examples of everyday life.
[quote=mr enternational;1230084]no such thing as innocent until proven guilty? you don't have to tell me about that. once i went to court for a traffic ticket (traffic signal violation) and i said i was not guilty. they said i would be taken directly to jail to be processed. for being not guilty? i quickly changed my plea to guilty instead of having to go to jail, made the arrangements to pay the fine, and left the courthouse.[/quote]hahahaha! now you know that, in america, it's easier to beat a first degree murder rap than a speeding ticket.
lbm is right that it just doesn't pay to complain about the gestapo thugs while they're abusing your rights with their fingers up your ass. you might as well be barking at the moon. the united police states of america is now a fact of life.
Mr. E,
The reason the lady statue outside the courthouse has a blindfold? When you go to the court for the first time for a traffic ticket and go through the process you realize things are somewhat backwards. I once had a guy pull a gun on me when I told him he couldn't park in my driveway. I backed off and told him okay when he started to back out of the driveway taking his eyes off me I pull out my Chinese swore and placed it on his throat. A bystander started yelling and I got arrested and booked when I show up to court the coward never showed up. Today it still on my record along with all the other bullshit I was accused of.
When you live or grow up in a big city shit happens. Daddy07 grew up in a small cow town and lived a charm life and continues to live that charm life as the King of Jomtien in his highrise penthouse condo. I envy this guy because he got that Garfield smile on his face day in and day out! If I don't have a choice I rather have a finger up my ass than a big stick it is easier to take. Talking about fingers up the butt its time for that oil massage.
LBM
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1230200]Mr. E,
The reason the lady statue outside the courthouse has a blindfold? When you go to the court for the first time for a traffic ticket and go through the process you realize things are somewhat backwards. I once had a guy pull a gun on me when I told him he couldn't park in my driveway. I backed off and told him okay when he started to back out of the driveway taking his eyes off me I pull out my Chinese swore and placed it on his throat. A bystander started yelling and I got arrested and booked when I show up to court the coward never showed up. Today it still on my record along with all the other bullshit I was accused of.
When you live or grow up in a big city shit happens. Daddy07 grew up in a small cow town and lived a charm life and continues to live that charm life as the King of Jomtien in his highrise penthouse condo. I envy this guy because he got that Garfield smile on his face day in and day out! If I don't have a choice I rather have a finger up my ass than a big stick it is easier to take. Talking about fingers up the butt its time for that oil massage.
LBM[/QUOTE]Sorry, had to laugh at this one. Don't know many people that walk around their driveway with a Chinese sword. I am sure going to jail was not funny. Was it a Jian or Dao sword?
Gents,
I always appreciate the hard work of TSA and Home land security departments.
Yes, things change for sure after 9/11. I really Don't mind to stand inline at LAX
For one hour Immigarions counters. However, the TSA people can have the
Faster ways to clear USA citizen with a clean records. I know the TSA having
More than enough agents to carry out the task. For travelers coming back
From Thailand mongering trip, that is None of other people.
Business to ask and check.
We should have the freedom to travel and mind own things.
Still, I always feel the Thai's immigrants officers work much more efficiently.
And more pleantly to deal with eventhough with USA. Passport holder.
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