Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2583314]Such quotes of 250-300 k were almost as common as those in the historic price range.

Even more frustrating was the notorious paisa flakiness. It is a long-standing problem that I saw before; I had learned to accept a certain modicum of flakiness, e. G. Arriving 15-20 minutes late, as "the nature of the beast. " On this trip the flakiness skyrocketed off the charts and was more egregious than I had ever seen. Less than half of the citas that I arranged actually occurred. They just blew me off without following up, or they failed to contact me to confirm or cancel within a window of time that I had specified. I used to think that this flakiness was a cultural feature or due to Third World logistical challenges, but now I recognize that it is just disrespect. This realization lowered my opinion of MDE.

For example, one girl that blew off our cita had the chutzpah to contact me a few days later to ask if I still wanted a cita. I told her that she was persona non grata due to her failure to cancel responsibly, as we had agreed. Another girl told me an obvious lie. She claimed that she had overslept and just woken up (as if that were a valid excuse! But I had seen on WhatsApp that she had read and ignored my earlier message when she was supposedly sleeping. Only one girl canceled responsibly, with many hours of advance notice more than what I had asked; she arrived on time for the rescheduled cita.[/QUOTE]You need to go back and read the forum posts. The girls are desperate, starving, and will take low offers to get money. Well that is from all the idiots out there. I had a girl claim the same BS when she had 2 new tattoos with that protective gel still on them. I stayed at a ST hotel with a big window for 3+ months. Saw a girl come to hotel with a guy. When she was done with him she visited me right after (not even leaving the building). Then 15 minutes later I am leaving and pass her and her new customer going up in the stairwell. These guys are stupid and believe the girls' lies or are having sex with ugly girls. I was there during the entire lockdown in Barranquilla and Medellin and the girls were flaky then too.

So funny you use the word "Flakiness" which most guys have repeated over and over again. Me too. I have countless examples. But Mr. Enternational in prior post has informed us that we are using the word incorrectly. Just warning you if he corrects you. HAHA!

[QUOTE=LostBlade;2583062]Day Seven. We meet up with Victor, the taxi driver we meet at the airport and went to Guntape. He quote 100 usd for the whole trip, and I think it was a great deal. He drove us to everything we wanted to see, walked us around. Gave good suggestion for foods to eat. When we came back, my friend wanted to tip him 100 usd. I told him a 100% is crazy, but he refuse to back down and wanted to pay with his money. .[/QUOTE]I'm going to have to assume that if you had a driver all day you had to have stopped at the Penol and climbed it perhaps. I was there on Thursday, and prior to that the first time I went there almost 15 years ago, there was only one set of stairs made out of wood in some areas and stone cement steps. I again visited about five years ago, and they had an uphill and downhill set of stairs they had put in about 13 years ago but still just only a gravel access road and parking area. I was quite shocked to see how much it's been developed including the new paved access road and parking area. Along with new multiple level buildings with a two floor food court, more restaurants, and more stores. And upon climbing the Penol and returning after about 1,500 steps, to exit you have to go thru a maze of shops and walk by restaurants to leave. Things have changed so much over the years.

I wanted to visit but read some comments from some sites and changed my mind. (My comments).

1) Do not come here on a holiday weekend. We attempted to come another weekend and made it all the way to the Santa Domingo station and was told the park was closed due to max capacity of visitors.

(The park is massive. No reason to have any max capacity other than getting the people out and home using the metro or buses.).

2) After spending 26000 COP to get there, and double checking the park hours, we were told by park staff that the park would not open till 11.30. So we saw nothing and did not want to spend two and a half hours touring their souvenir shop, while waiting for the park to open.

3) The man in the tourist booth told us that the guides were in some sort of class / training and so our only option was to walk on a paved road to a picnic site. I asked where we could get a good view of the city and he said the only lookout point was closed.

4) We wanted to walk to a lagoon on the map. Main road gets there. Very simple and straightforward. 20 minutes maximum. Stopped by police and forced to join a walking tour (free, mind you) we had to stay with this group, escorted by 2 mounted police and weren't allowed to separate for own own safety. 20 min walk turned into a painful 3 HR tour to get to a lagoon that had been dry for months.

Here was a Laguna a couple kilometers down the road but the police wouldn't let us walk that far because it was 3 pm.

5) You may get robbed on the trails! Hopefully the park put up warning signs after this most recent incident but we found out too late that it had already happened to others before us. My Mother and I were on the Archaeological trail not far from our larger group of friends when suddenly a guy appeared out of the forest with a gun, he snatched my phone out of my hand and proceeded to unzip my Mom's shirt pockets searching for her valuables, he stole her phone too and took all of her cash. We were lucky we weren't harmed and he gave her back her passport after we pleaded for it in our limited Spanish.

(No where is safe in this country. Starting to really wear and grind on me. Sad! I had hoped to put on my headphones on and relax on a 7+ mile hike.)

6) The park is horribly organized, and actively discourages visitors from exploring the park. We arrived by the cable car, spent a lot of time trying to figure out how to get to the hiking trails shown on the maps. You can't, and even if you could you need a paid guide.

(I hate guided tours. Took one guide to a waterfall and lost the female guide because she stopped to chat with someone and I kept going. My money. My time.)

7) We looked for some information / map, no luck.

(I can not find a decent map on their website, Google search, or Google maps. The place is huge to be there without a good map.).

8) We crossed noisy locals with noisy loudspeakers.

(That would ruin any trip any where at any time.)

[QUOTE=Combo;2583483]Plus Spanish is my only language.[/QUOTE]Dayumm, your English comes across quite well. Jajajajajaja.

[QUOTE=BlackThought;2583383]What did you use to learn Spanish? Private tutor? Classes? Language learning app like Duolingo?[/QUOTE]Interesting question and although I've been told I'm fluent in Spanish, I don't think so about half the time, but do understand a lot, and getting there was a big struggle and languages don't come easy to me. How I got to being where I am at now involved everything you mentioned which included Rosetta Stone, classes at EAFIT thru level 7, and a private tutor 2 hours a day for about two months. For someone who can stay in Medellin for extended periods of time, I would recommend a "formal" class room setting such as EAFIT to get the basics down. After that switch to a private tutor if you can afford it.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2583358]Unless you're talking about that midget that hangs around parque Bolivar.

I think if I stuck it in her, I would push her organs out of her mouth and asshole jajjajaja.[/QUOTE]As far as a midget working Parque Bolvar I rarely go there, and have yet to see a working midget in El Centro, and I'm not talking about a dinky spinner, however there was a midget in Cucuta working I saw a few years back.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2583335]Thank you for taking the time to write about facebook. Based on your report I see two primary options for you:

1. continue mining the depths of facebook in search of satisfaction.

2. begin to explore the world beyond facebook.

I look forward to seeing how it plays out. I would like to suggest that five facebook centric visits don't likely offer representative experiences of what Medellin has to offer. I have some acquaintances who also swear by facebook. For what it's worth the trends I notice in how they evaluate their experiences (in order of descending priority) center on how much time the facebook girl is with them, whether or not they get an uncovered blow job, and cost.[/QUOTE]I have explored non-Facebook options in my five Facebook-centric trips to Medellin. As I mentioned in my report, I found that the ones that work best for me are Centro street meat and La Isla. I dislike casas because of the lack of opportunities to screen girls before selection for chemistry and for openness to BBBJ, which is a critical requirement for me. I have tried Fase II several times but the talent pool there does not suit my preferences in female body types. La Isla does, however, suit my taste in female body types and it is my go-to option for strip clubs. I also liked the talent pool in the Centro strip clubs but was wary of going there alone at night and also could not live with the pervasive CBJ culture there. In fact, the pervasive CBJ culture in most of the non-Facebook mongering options in Medellin is one of several reasons why Facebook is the most viable option for me, despite its numerous flaws. Centro street meat works for me because I can ask around until I find a girl that will BBBJ.

I have been to Cartagena several times. With family, with chicas, and by myself. While I love the Old City, I've pretty much soured on the rest of it. The beach is nothing to me, because I live in Florida and have better sand and cleaner water. And I can't stand the touts who will not give up. Even if you have your eyes closed or your hat over you head. They will wake you up. I especially hate the massage ladies. When I am there, I am more likely to stick to the hotel pool during the day and enjoy the Old CIty at night when it's cooler. But I'm not in any hurry to return there.

I rarely have issues with touts in Medellin. Now if I was in centro all of the time, I imagine it might be different. When I do get approached by someone in Laureles, a quick "no gracias" does the trick. Never had anyone follow me. My only annoyance is in Poblado. Especially near the Parque. Seems like everyone is selling something or begging for money. It gets old. Some will go away with a "no gracias" but some are very persistent. I used to enjoy sitting at a table by the side walk at Beer Company and watching the action. But now I am more likely to sit in the middle to avoid the pests. Although some restaurants seem to have no problem allowing these touts to walk right in and solicit you at your table, which I find very annoying.

[QUOTE=LostBlade;2583410]It was a huge problem in Cartagena, crazy amount of vendor who tries to grub me. It was much better in Medellin, there are still vendor but I haven't had anyone who followed me for a few blocks. Its usually ask twice then walk away.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2583387]Thanks. This was a very interesting, thorough and analytic report- the verbiage was similar to the deliverables from a professional consultancy firm. I wonder what your career is.

My question is: why- given all the trouble with online methodologies- do you revert to them? There is a way to avoid flaking and catfishing- pull from Lleras, Gustos, Fase Dose, the Casa's, etc. The girls are there- observable and available to interact. You know what you are going to get physically and in terms of service.

In a way this is a general question to all the Medellin lovers as well. I don't really see how this scene can be considered superlative when so much of it is based on bird-dogging insta, tinder, SA, facebook etc, and setting yourself up for disappointment, flakery, catfishing, etc. That seems like all I've been reading about here lately. Bottom line- too much time and mental energy is wasted in the procurement process. And as you say- flaking is not simply a cultural feature- it's just blatant disrespect. I cannot engage in transactions where my value is consistently dis-regarded..[/QUOTE]Yes, your guess about my employment history is not far from the mark.

To answer your question. Yes, the factors that you mention are significant downsides to Internet pipelining, and they are one of the main reasons that I have not returned to Medellin more frequently than I have over the past five years. I have a strong preference for in-person mongering for all of the reasons that you described. But Facebook in Medellin clearly offers the best combination and balance of talent, service, and pricing of the various options in Medellin, despite the numerous flaws of Facebook pipelining that you correctly identified. The main considerations for me are the GFE aspect of the service and BBBJ, both of which can be hard to find in the many other in-person mongering options outside Medellin, such as the casas and the strip clubs. CBJ is generally a show-stopper for me, so those options do not work well for me.

So then you might ask, why go to Medellin at all then? Well, for the time being at least, there are not that many other places to go due to travel and public health restrictions. If I could go anywhere in the world right now to monger, I would go to Pattaya or the FKKs of Frankfurt, but those are probably not feasible for now. Colombia is only a few hours flight away from me and has few restrictions in place right now. And, as I mentioned in my report, this latest experience with a more pronounced version of Internet pipelining's numerous downsides will probably shift the balance of time that I spend in Colombia away from Medellin and toward Bogota, where I can monger in person in the Santa Fe red light district.

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2583387]Thanks. This was a very interesting, thorough and analytic report- the verbiage was similar to the deliverables from a professional consultancy firm. I wonder what your career is.

My question is: why- given all the trouble with online methodologies- do you revert to them? There is a way to avoid flaking and catfishing- pull from Lleras, Gustos, Fase Dose, the Casa's, etc. The girls are there- observable and available to interact. You know what you are going to get physically and in terms of service.

In a way this is a general question to all the Medellin lovers as well. I don't really see how this scene can be considered superlative when so much of it is based on bird-dogging insta, tinder, SA, facebook etc, and setting yourself up for disappointment, flakery, catfishing, etc. That seems like all I've been reading about here lately. Bottom line- too much time and mental energy is wasted in the procurement process. And as you say- flaking is not simply a cultural feature- it's just blatant disrespect. I cannot engage in transactions where my value is consistently dis-regarded...[/QUOTE]Somewhere, in one of my closets, I have an old pair of Red Wing boots, size 11.5. Those boots feel great on my feet. Do you think they will fit everyone else as well as they fit me? Not every mongering destination fits everyone the same. If Medellin isn't a good fit, don't waste your time trying to figure out why other people like it. Go where you are happier.

However:

In Medellin there are the casas and strip clubs. The girls are right there. You just pick one and go fuck. The street girls are right there. Just pick one and go fuck. The girls in Gusto and the Mansion, you guessed it. If the Facebook thing isn't working for you, why sit and complain? Hop in a taxi and go fuck It's not as if Facebook is the only option.

I hate to be the one to break the news to you, but you have no value in Medellin until you establish your value That's just the nature of the beast.

There are hundreds, possibly thousands of guys reading this board every day, who have no intention of ever visiting Medellin. However, they do want to talk to the girls. Every girl on Facebook in Medellin gets messages from guys that are pure bullshit. Guys trying to get pictures, guys setting up fake dates, guys insulting them or threatening them. As a new guy you have no credibility. Your Facebook page probably has very little content and nobody can recommend you.

This has been mentioned before. Just as the mongers share information about the girls, the girls share information about us. Until some of the girls get to know you, you're still an unknown risk.

There are ways to establish a reputation, which greatly reduces the issues. The first way is to get another monger to recommend you. If that's not an option, make your Facebook more active. My mongering Facebook, as several can attest, is the same Facebook I use for family and friends. There's no question that I'm a real person. This isn't an option for most people. However, by posting photos and tagging your location in Medellin, you will get a lot more responses. Anyone can send a message, but a picture of a well known landmark goes a long way towards establishing credibility.

To close, nothing makes Medellin superlative. It's got an excellent climate, it's inexpensive, the people are friendly, but it's not going to fit everyone.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2583420]IMO it is, will I return to Colombia? Maybe? I just cancelled my flight for next week due to some important work and family issues.

I liked MDE but when I was there I was looking around thinking, this really doesn't seem like the same place I read about.

When other places open up, I can't wait to visit them.

When I read posts I try to filter them for sweet lemons / sour grapes bias.

I can't speak for many but I think the proximity to the USA is a big draw, beyond that I won't speculate.

I found the weather in MDE to be very overrated, the city as well, it is such a small city, I seriously doubt I could ever spend more than a week or 2 there.

Nevermind living there.

I need 10 20 30 or even 40 million people not tiny ass MDE.[/QUOTE]You're from Chicago and the weather in Medellin is overrated? It has 2 seasons. Either it rains some everyday, although rarely all day, and the temperature is between 58-82°, or it doesn't rain for 8 weeks and the temperature is between 60-88°, with low humidity and a nice breeze nearly every afternoon.

Sometimes the storms are severe, which is a good time to be sitting on the balcony with a nice chica.

Having stood on hot asphalt, with temperature and humidity at 95, and trudged through snow with wind chills at -40° in Chicago, I'll take Medellin weather.

[QUOTE=LostBlade;2583423]One of the things I am still confuse about facebook is which one of the girls to approach. I did the add contact, go through their friend list, find other people to add for weeks now and I have about 400+ contact. I also read from the forum, the one showing money, devil horns are usually available. However there are tons with just pictures of themselves and it just seem impossible for me to tell. I tried messaging them before my last trip, and some ignore, which I just take it as they know what's going on and is not interested, but some answer 3 or 4 days later. I was also assume the ones that said in a relationship, married etc is not available, but the girl I pull from Parque Lleras added me on facebook, and it said married and their are tons of picture of her and who I assume is her husband.[/QUOTE]You approach any of them that you are interested in. Use some diplomacy.

You greet them, compliment them, tell them when you will be in Medellin and tell them you want to see them.

Has anyone got any information on the tinto girls on Plaza Berrio? There was some speculation that some were doubling as prepagos, but I never heard much in regard to anyone having luck with one. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2583481]My worst experience for being dogged by vendors was in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam, also known as Saigon. I swear to gawd they would even call other vendors on the street ahead of me and give them advance notice. They would say shite like, "You bought from her, why you no buy from me? Unbelievable. As always, stay respectful, keep your cool, don't do anything that makes them lose face. Much the same as the hawkers on the street in Medellin, if you give them a nod or a friendly smile, it goes a long way. Don't give them dirty looks. Don't be an Ugly American. For the restaurant ones, memorize, "Acabo de comer" or "I just ate" and pat your stomach, and they will give you back a genuine smile of acknowledgement and then leave you alone. You should realize, if you look and are dressed like a Gringo, and especially if you have a girl with you, the street hawkers will see you coming before you see them. You are USDA Prime Choice.[/QUOTE]Have you been to Pattaya, Cancun or Cabo San Luca? They stick on you like leeches.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2583649]Has anyone got any information on the tinto girls on Plaza Berrio? [/QUOTE]You will find some posts if you search for [B]algo mas[/B]. Surfer has a post that he hooked up with one not long ago.