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I was in Crazy House a few months ago with my friend. There is this one girl with short black hair and a huge back tattoo. Don't know her number but she dances like a real pro, better than the rest of the girls on stage. If you walk you and she is on the stage you will spot her immediately.

He bought her 2 lady drinks while she was dancing for him on the sofas and they were getting into it. He ended up bar fining her for ST. She didn't want to go to his room in On Nut (said it was too far) so they went to a ST hotel nearby. He said it was the worst experience he ever had. She went cold inside, refused to give a BJ and just laid their when they got down to business.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1670721]
Difficult for thos who have no Thai. Staff generally have poor English.

The shows from 11 pm involved girls wearing see through stuff. Pussy only covered by the natural Bush. ....

[/QUOTE]I agree, on my first and only visit to SK bars a few months ago, I spent a couple of hours at T Ded 99, and there was not a single farang to be found, in the low lighting I could spot only thai's sharing tables with several of the dancers. I must have left sooner because none of the shows had begun. The two people who could may be comprehend a couple of words of English were the mamasan and the waiter. The girl could hardly understand anything. Some of the girls were indeed pretty, but yes the slim types aren't as common (which is also my preference). If only I could speak thai, this would have been a better hunting ground.

Which are the best independent women to see to Bangkok?

[QUOTE=British;1671157]Which are the best independent women to see to Bangkok?[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=C1987;1671047]I was in Crazy House a few months ago with my friend. There is this one girl with short black hair and a huge back tattoo. Don't know her number but she dances like a real pro, better than the rest of the girls on stage. If you walk you and she is on the stage you will spot her immediately.

He bought her 2 lady drinks while she was dancing for him on the sofas and they were getting into it. He ended up bar fining her for ST. She didn't want to go to his room in On Nut (said it was too far) so they went to a ST hotel nearby. He said it was the worst experience he ever had. She went cold inside, refused to give a BJ and just laid their when they got down to business.[/QUOTE]Sounds like my #50 although she wasn't that bad for me.

[QUOTE=British;1671157]Which are the best independent women to see to Bangkok?[/QUOTE]// Advice on.

Short answer. RTFF (read the fucking forum) it contains a wealth of information.

Long answer. People here will generally respond better if they feel like you have put some initial effort, and then ask more focused questions. Something like:

[I]I am interesting in meeting some independent service providers. My research tells me that Bangkok has various options: an independent streetwalker scene, a independent bar girl scene; and various internet sources like Craiglist, single provider websites, and mobile social apps. But I am still a bit confused on how to proceed.

I have limited experience in this area but would really like to spend some time with the lady and strike up some rapport before doing the deed, so I think a bar or a nightclub might work best. I have seen (place 1) and (place 2) mentioned a few times and are considering them as possibilities. Also the price seems to vary a lot so I am trying to get a handle on that.

Am I on the right path? Any help you can provide would certainly be appreciated.[/I]

// advice off.

SL.

[QUOTE=C1987;1671047]I was in Crazy House a few months ago with my friend. There is this one girl with short black hair and a huge back tattoo. Don't know her number but she dances like a real pro, better than the rest of the girls on stage. If you walk you and she is on the stage you will spot her immediately.

He bought her 2 lady drinks while she was dancing for him on the sofas and they were getting into it. He ended up bar fining her for ST. She didn't want to go to his room in On Nut (said it was too far) so they went to a ST hotel nearby. He said it was the worst experience he ever had. She went cold inside, refused to give a BJ and just laid their when they got down to business.[/QUOTE]Hopefully he gave her 100 baht and returned to the bar to tell the mamasan and get his BF back. Sadly many dudes let gals get away with this crap and still pay them. If they aren't willing to go with you to your place, it is a bad sign.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1671466]Hopefully he gave her 100 baht and returned to the bar to tell the mamasan and get his BF back. Sadly many dudes let gals get away with this crap and still pay them. If they aren't willing to go with you to your place, it is a bad sign.[/QUOTE]Expecting a girl to go to ONNUT from CH is ludicrous. Especially a popular one.

I think it's ludicrous to pay a poor tattooed up Isaan girl with dirty feet $100 for a half hour of starfish role playing in a local dumpy short time hotel with stained sheets but that seems to be the trend nowadays. One man's ludicrous is another man's reason to fly around the world I guess.

[QUOTE=C1987;1670728]Where is the best place to get a HJ in Bangkok? I arrive next week and I am based in Asoke. I want to find kapoo club as suggested here [URL]http://afarangabroad.com/happy-massages-bangkok[/URL] but not sure where to start. Are there any near Asoke?[/QUOTE]There is no best place for a HJ. Most of the places reviewed here offer much more than a HJ and their business is geared around that. But pretty much any regular massage girl on Sukhumvit road area will offer you a HJ at the end of the massage (sometimes you have to ask) provided you are getting an oil massage. Oil massage generally guarantees you a private cubicle or room.

There are probably only a very few places that do not offer extra services in the Sukhumvit Soi 1 to Thonglor area. Often, you can walk through the foot massage area on the ground floor where there are middle-aged women and teenagers getting foot massages while you go upstairs for a shower and oil massage. Don't be surprised if you get offered an extra.

I have heard of Kampoo Clubs but I would avoid unless you really want to pay 2 or 3 times as much for same or lower quality. I think they were originally set up for Japanese who prefer a certain style and are prepared to pay for it. I once, under extreme protest, went to the King and I, which I think is such a place. Apart from the massage being much higher in price, the HJ was not great and was at least twice the price. Nothing else was on offer. I would only go to such a place if I wanted a really good foot massage or one of those salt body scrubs but with no extras.

The article you read refers to Soi 11, but really an alleyway between soi 11 and 13 where there is one massage place after the other on the right hand side From soi 11, follow the alley down to where it appears to dead-end and you will find that it dog-legs and there are even more places on the way out to Soi 13. Most will have a a private cubicle and some / many offer much more than just HJ.

When you are through, write a report and share your experience.

[QUOTE=Biffduff;1670639]Nope, it's not. No action to be had within the bar whatsoever.

Went there last night and it was pretty damn awesome. The owners were amicable Brits with a healthy thirst and the talent was pretty good (I'd say two or three 7's out of the ten girls there). I got there after 10 pm, which I was told was a bad time, since they are scheduled to close at 11 pm. Apparently, getting there before 8 pm is the thing to do. Anyway, I got to talking with a cutie named Annie. The standard rate there is 2000 baht for the girl and 500 baht for the rooms. I ended up in the VIP room (1000 baht), which would be well worth it if you're planning on a full-out orgy. Completely gorgeous decor in both the bar and rooms. Annie was a trooper, but I could tell she was pretty new to the game (she is 22). No BJ skills to speak of, but she took my drunken hammering like a champ.

I almost didn't want to post a report, because I'd like to keep this place to myself, but it's also important that they get business so it doesn't shut down. So. Go check it out![/QUOTE]Speaking of new BJ bars, has anyone been to the place just around the corner from [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] as you walk from Soi 8 through the subsoi to Soi 6 and 4? There are a few ladies outside and as I was passing, I was asked if I wanted a BJ. But I was in a hurry and did not stop to try it out.

That was a very gracious reply, Sunlover2.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1671422]// Advice on.

Short answer. RTFF (read the fucking forum) it contains a wealth of information.

Long answer. People here will generally respond better if they feel like you have put some initial effort, and then ask more focused questions. Something like:

[I]I am interesting in meeting some independent service providers. My research tells me that Bangkok has various options: an independent streetwalker scene, a independent bar girl scene; and various internet sources like Craiglist, single provider websites, and mobile social apps. But I am still a bit confused on how to proceed.

I have limited experience in this area but would really like to spend some time with the lady and strike up some rapport before doing the deed, so I think a bar or a nightclub might work best. I have seen (place 1) and (place 2) mentioned a few times and are considering them as possibilities. Also the price seems to vary a lot so I am trying to get a handle on that.

Am I on the right path? Any help you can provide would certainly be appreciated.[/I]

// advice off.

SL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=C1987;1670728]Where is the best place to get a HJ in Bangkok? I arrive next week and I am based in Asoke. I want to find kapoo club as suggested here [URL]http://afarangabroad.com/happy-massages-bangkok[/URL] but not sure where to start. Are there any near Asoke?[/QUOTE]Jesus, that's like asking of you can get extra large fries with your happy meal.

You don't even need to ask. They will usually give you a subtle grope down there, comment on what a "hansum man" you are and then its up to you to continue or not.

[QUOTE=BronzeMan;1671567]I think it's ludicrous to pay a poor tattooed up Isaan girl with dirty feet $100 for a half hour of starfish role playing in a local dumpy short time hotel with stained sheets but that seems to be the trend nowadays. One man's ludicrous is another man's reason to fly around the world I guess.[/QUOTE]I am with you Bronze, 100%. Sadly there are punters that are paying this for that. Nuts really. When it was 25 USD it was well worth it. 100 USD, forget it.

[QUOTE=Steve7777;1671474]Expecting a girl to go to ONNUT from CH is ludicrous. Especially a popular one.[/QUOTE]Paying daughters of poor farmers 100 USD for a quick pop is nuts no matter how you slice it. If she goes to On Nut, she will probably spend some time with you and on the act itself. And that is exactly why I spend zero time in gogo bars now. That and I just can't be asked to pay 6 USD for a weak drink. Again, back when it was less than 2 USD, no problem.

I arrived in Bangkok yesterday afternoon. It's my first time here. I chose wisely on the location of my Hotel, as I'm between Soi Cowboy and Nana. I'm within walking distance of both. First stop after settling in was a BJ bar recommended by another member. Som Haven on Soi 14, BJ for 800 baht, 30 min time limit. (Pattaya BJ bars spoiled me as they have no time limit.) Som has a few cute ladies. FS 1000 baht ST, 2000 baht LT. Got a nice BJ, with DT, but couldn't pop. :(

Headed to Soi Cowboy, (pun intended.) From viewing YouTube vids, I thought it was bigger. Took a peak inside CH, but it wasn't too busy. Walking the Soi, noticed that Jungle Jim had a replay of the Green Bay Seattle NFC Champion game. Perfect timing as the last 5 min of the game was on. Got some beers and ordered some wings. What an epic fail from Green Bay. Back to Jungle Jim, if not for the game, I would not have stopped in. Older, ladies, some out of shape. Old hag kept pestering me to buy her a drink.

Got the Flock out of there and walked towards Nana. Very interesting walk, saw lots of SW on north side of Sukhumvit. Large concentration at the McD's east of Nana. Lots of Nigerians, (I think.) Also what looked like pimps were nearby. Also lots of LB's. I wonder what McD's corporate would think of this scene. The ladies had taken over McCaf.

Found Dr BJ and Devils Den, and another naughty massage place, on the same Soi. Reasonable prices: 1500 FS and open 24hrs! (failed to get the name of the place.)

Got to Nana Plaza. Again, it looks bigger on YouTube vids, same for the parking lot. Not many SW there. First stop was Rainbow 4. Talk about sensory overload. Place was packed, very few seats available. Like a couple of dancers. Ordered a 155 baht drink and got a small glass by my standards. Little cutie latched on to me, but there was something off about her. Not sure if she was drunk or high. :eek: She kept pestering me to BF her. BF was 800,2000ST, 4000 LT. Had my one drink and got out of there.

Next stop was Angelwitch. Same as in Pattaya, in that they put on erotic shows, they even play the same theme music. BF was the same as Rainbow 4, (I see a trend here.).

My intention was to have one drink and move on. That plan got derailed when I got to Spanky's. Saw a couple of attractive dancers. They even put on an erotic dance show like Angelwitch, but on a smaller scale and stage. What kept me in Spanky's was not the dancers, but a hot short haired bleached blonde eastern Euro babe. She was dressed in a tight little blck dress (LBD) that barely contained her ass. Thicker than the dancer, she had a nice shape. She was with some dude. They kept buying the dancers shots. Blond chick was groping and making out with a couple of the dancers. LBD rode up exposing her nice ass. She was given a dance's bikini top, and got invited to dance on the stage. Bikini top and her panties didn't stay on long. Chick wasn't shy, she was lickin muff on stage. All eyes were on her. she returned to her seat and continued playing with the dancers. She caused quite a commotion.

My barmaid made put it on herself to bring me a dancer. Her selection was excellent. Young, smokin hot bod, big firm tit, nice ass too. Too bad we were unable to communicate due to the loud music. Lack of communication didn't keep us from groping each other. She went on stage a couple of times, but returned to my side. She finally went into the shower. It was 2 a, I needed to get out of there. Cute dancer was sad I was leaving, she musta thought I was going to BF. Without even talking to her? Not at those prices.

As I was leaving, Nana and the surrounding bars were emptying out. Due to the crackdown, all the bars and gogo's close by 230a. I wasn't prepared for that. Somehow I was unaware of this. Restaurants were open, and the street venders were making a killing. I started walking Sukhumvit, lots of SW about. Lots of them are OLD. They'd have to pay me.

Found myself in front of Insanity Nightclub, but it was too early as it was dead, looked like it was closing actually. Started walking to my Hotel and found Lollipop 1 was still open. (I didn't know at the time it was a BJ Bar.) Stopped in for a last drink, about 6 ladies, 3 cute. Maybe 5 Italians were also present. Dudes left, younges lady of the bunch went with one of them. Connected with an older, but hot bodied lady in a LBD. Had a few beers with her, flirted and she got me turned on. Went upstairs and it was GFE+. Going to have to repeat with her. She got some BJ skills. :D SM Light was 100 baht, 150 Baht LD, 800 baht BJ, 2000ST, 4000 LT. Lollipop will stay open for you after 3a, as long as you're buying. 5a when I finally got to the Hotel.

[QUOTE=BronzeMan;1671567]I think it's ludicrous to pay a poor tattooed up Isaan girl with dirty feet $100 for a half hour of starfish role playing in a local dumpy short time hotel with stained sheets but that seems to be the trend nowadays. One man's ludicrous is another man's reason to fly around the world I guess.[/QUOTE]One of the wisest, most salient, short-and-sweet posts to come down the pike in a long time. Go-gos are SUCH a poor value for money that I, too, stopped going a couple of years ago.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1671819]Got to Nana Plaza. Again, it looks bigger on youtube vids, same for the parking lot. Not many SW there. First stop was Rainbow 4. Talk about sensory overload. Place was packed, very few seats available. Like a couple of dancers. Ordered a 155 baht drink and got a small glass by my standards. Little cutie latched on to me, but there was something off about her. Not sure if she was drunk or high. She kept pestering me to BF her. BF was 800,2000ST, 4000 LT. Had my one drink and got out of there.

Next stop was Angelwitch. Same as in Pattaya, in that they put on erotic shows, they even play the same theme music. BF was the same as Rainbow 4, (I see a trend here.).[/QUOTE]I wasn't aware that the barfines in both bars (Rainbow4 and Angelwitch) had increased. Can somebody else confirm?

GK

[QUOTE=British;1671157]Which are the best independent women to see to Bangkok?[/QUOTE]What the duck? If I had to give an answer it would be an educated type, with loads of cash, stunning in looks, and perhaps most importantly, craves her some farang dick.

[QUOTE=British;1671157]Which are the best independent women to see to Bangkok?[/QUOTE]Perhaps if you define "best" and "independent" we would know where to start. For now, I'd say Noy is OK, Plaa ain't bad either but Mod has her good and bad days, so it is a gamble.

All silliness aside, how do you expect us to answer such a general question? It is like asking "I'm visiting London. What are the best places to go to"?

[QUOTE=British;1671157]Which are the best independent women to see to Bangkok?[/QUOTE]You asked also the same kind of question in the escorts section. I guess you get the point now. Read the postings in every forum for at least the last two months and then please come back with more specific questions. That will be more useful for you.

GK

Saw something very disturbing. A guy buys a ladydrink for a Rainbow girl-when he isn't looking the girl makes a very sour face to her friends. Disdain if I ever saw Disdain . Guy barfined girl-as I was leaving the girl was sitting outside. It couldn't have been 13-15 minuets since they left. I bet she was a NO CAN girl. No can touch this, that, cannot do that, etc.

800 baht Rainbow barfine? Maybe business is down girls are getting creative-extra 200 baht in the pocket never hurts.

Ice is back in Bangkok. She may move, though not to Pattaya. Got an email about her and another lady who works in a regular massage shop doing a threesome a couple of days ago. Same email mentioned running into Candy who has left the business and now works in a retail store. Candy is a real sweetie. I wish her the best.

[QUOTE=Simian;1671574]Speaking of new BJ bars, has anyone been to the place just around the corner from as you walk from Soi 8 through the subsoi to Soi 6 and 4? There are a few ladies outside and as I was passing, I was asked if I wanted a BJ. But I was in a hurry and did not stop to try it out.[/QUOTE]Sounds like Lollipop and Kasalong. Both are BJ bars. Been to both and just need to select the right girl. Not sure about Lollipop but Kasalong also has 2 rooms for ST. Kasalong was 100 baht cheaper last time I visited.

JR

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1670368]Actually it is being closed because there is a development slated for that block, and I guess the owner got an offer he could not refuse.

There are very few lookers in the BG now.[/QUOTE]Curious as to how current that information is? Rumors of its death have been around for the past 2 years but it continues to limp along like a crippled dog with asthma. Six months ago one of the service guys told me that the owner. Son of the old guy who died last year. Had been looking to sell it but was holding on to it for a few more years. At this point it should be a museum piece with most of the women on exhibit as examples of what not to do with your life. Last night I was sitting out at a table down the street and saw a guy come out with a woman well into her 50's with a rack that stretched to Sukhumvit in a tight short black shirt. It was truly scary but she probably gave the guy a heck of a ride.

Speaking of landmarks closing down. Walked by the Rex Hotel on Sukhumvit and Soi 32 today and workmen were hauling out its contents and piling them into trucks. From what I gather this was a famous spot back in the 60's and 70's with a coffee shop full of girls. It closed on 12/31. I like the 60's exterior design. Quite cool in a small way. It's all disappearing.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1672104]
Speaking of landmarks closing down. Walked by the Rex Hotel on Sukhumvit and Soi 32 today and workmen were hauling out its contents and piling them into trucks. From what I gather this was a famous spot back in the 60's and 70's with a coffee shop full of girls. It closed on 12/31. I like the 60's exterior design. Quite cool in a small way. It's all disappearing.[/QUOTE]That's sad DRR.

It was our "go to" spot in the 80's too, especially later at night around 12 to 1 am.

Always a lot of girls sitting in there, some of who became our "regulars" if we had missed out elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1670338]They have on premise ST rooms. 500 Baht. Gals in The Den are FLs, so up to you to negotiate price. I have heard some are asking high prices. Rumored that the BG Soi 7 will actually be closing down later this year (heard this many times over the past three years though), and if it does The Den might get interesting.[/QUOTE]I am a little confused about this place and the freelancer status of the girls. A friend went by a week ago and spoke to a couple of the girls. He thought the quality was ok and he is very picky. But when he asked price they told him to speak to the mamasan and told him any exchange of favors had to take place on the premises. If this is the case it isn't really a free lancer place is it? Can any girl go in or do they have to be invited by the managers? Perhaps they are using some quality control so that it doesn't turn into an old folks home like the BG. But making you do it on the premises and going through a mamasan feels more staff than freelance.

Is it as bad as reported in this article in Sukhumvit / Soi Cowboy area?

[URL]http://time.com/3674200/thailand-tourism-police-corruption-shakedown-extortion/[/URL]

[QUOTE=ElFrances;1672256]Is it as bad as reported in this article in Sukhumvit / Soi Cowboy area?

[URL]http://time.com/3674200/thailand-tourism-police-corruption-shakedown-extortion/[/URL][/QUOTE]The information appears to be slightly out of date. According to Stickman's site, it was this bad until a few weeks ago. Probably the international scrutiny caused a few angry phone calls from some big shots. But supposedly it has all stopped.

I will say that the cigarette butt scam has been around a long time. But that's your own fault. If you're going to smoke, dispose of the butts in the proper receptacle (I know, hard to find in BKK). But tossing butts on the ground is technically illegal in a lot of places.

I do love the way so many articles bleat about deposing "a democratically elected government. " Hitler and Mussolini were "democratically elected" to their respective parliaments and became heads of state through "legitimate" means. But that's off topic.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1672104]Curious as to how current that information is? Rumors of its death have been around for the past 2 years but it continues to limp along like a crippled dog with asthma. Six months ago one of the service guys told me that the owner. Son of the old guy who died last year. Had been looking to sell it but was holding on to it for a few more years. At this point it should be a museum piece with most of the women on exhibit as examples of what not to do with your life. Last night I was sitting out at a table down the street and saw a guy come out with a woman well into her 50's with a rack that stretched to Sukhumvit in a tight short black shirt. It was truly scary but she probably gave the guy a heck of a ride.

Speaking of landmarks closing down. Walked by the Rex Hotel on Sukhumvit and Soi 32 today and workmen were hauling out its contents and piling them into trucks. From what I gather this was a famous spot back in the 60's and 70's with a coffee shop full of girls. It closed on 12/31. I like the 60's exterior design. Quite cool in a small way. It's all disappearing.[/QUOTE]Hey, experience makes the difference!

The Rex was the first hotel I stayed at, back in 1999 I think it was. It was a bit down at the heel, and in need of some paint and carpet. It was probably pretty ghastly by now. But I remember the staff being friendly and helpful, and the room was OK too. <Sigh! Another landmark bites the dust.

[QUOTE=ElFrances;1672256]Is it as bad as reported in this article in Sukhumvit / Soi Cowboy area?

[URL]http://time.com/3674200/thailand-tourism-police-corruption-shakedown-extortion/[/URL][/QUOTE]I was in soi cowboy every night for a week last week. Always 2 cops at soi 23 entrance, asked one where a drug store was when nearby 2 were closed at 11 pm. Even pointed to closed door of nearby drugstore. Did not get the LOS look in return. It was more like ask me another question and you will wish you had not asked the first time. I did not see any farangs being questioned. I have now changed hotels and am near Nana. The cigarette police have a green patch on their shoulder, usually see them on Sukhumvit, even stopped to talk with one a few days ago and got the LOS look, friendly guy. I have not seen anyone stopped, but between my nearly every day visit to my fav soapy Colonze2, and to visit my fav go-go girls in Mandarin in NP, and beer drinking in Stumble Inn I do not get to everything happening on the street.

[QUOTE=ElFrances;1672256]Is it as bad as reported in this article in Sukhumvit / Soi Cowboy area?

[URL]http://time.com/3674200/thailand-tourism-police-corruption-shakedown-extortion/[/URL][/QUOTE]As some one who lives down Soi 19/ Sukhumvit (and in Nongbulamphu) I have never been stopped. As for the cigarette police? If you smoke than do not litter.

I've heard there are Russian freelancers to be found around Bangkok but not much mention of them on these forums. Are Russians (and other non-Thais) common and what sort of rates can I expect and where should one look for them? It's always nice to have some variety!

[QUOTE=TonyHoeprano;1671847]What the duck? If I had to give an answer it would be an educated type, with loads of cash, stunning in looks, and perhaps most importantly, craves her some farang dick.[/QUOTE]Are there Indian women available for short time in Bangkok. If they are then which location and how to get in touch. Any leads will surely help as I will be visiting Bangkok shortly. Though Thai ladies are good I like big and taller women. Appreciate any help please.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Jgm005;1672406]As some one who lives down Soi 19/ Sukhumvit (and in Nongbulamphu) I have never been stopped. As for the cigarette police? If you smoke than do not litter.[/QUOTE]I live in the Lower Suk area as well. My issue with the Tesakit "litter police" is that they are only targeting foreigners. I have not once seen them follow a Thai that is smoking a cigarette, but they will pursue a foreigner smoking many blocks. Also the "maximum" fine for littering is 2 k baht. I have never heard of them asking for less. I applaud trying to keep the streets clean, but targeting only foreigners is just not ok. Also it makes a very bad impression on tourists.

Travelling to Thailand for 20 days planing to take USD! Can someone please help me with the best exchange rates both Pattaya and Bangkok thank you! Please PM me.

Hello,

There has been a report that bar fines in rainbow4 and angelwitch went up to 800 thb. Have other members noticed that too?

GK.

[QUOTE=IAmRamesh86;1672601]Travelling to Thailand for 20 days planing to take USD! Can someone please help me with the best exchange rates both Pattaya and Bangkok thank you! Please PM me.[/QUOTE]In Bangkok SuperRich 1965 has very good rates. They have convenient branches at the Asoke and Chidlom BTS stations. They have a slightly better rate at the head office near Central World. You can find rates and locations on their website.

Has any body been to the Den in Soi 12. Supposed to be a freelancer bar. I saw the photo looks kind of fancy. Open just last month.

That should be the new name of NEP.

Over the past few months, my last few visits to Nana have been depressing, but tonight's visit was the most depressing by far.

I have already written off Soi Cowboy, because it is populated by far too many coyotes to make searching in Cowboy enjoyable. The coyotes add too much uncertainty, in terms of finding a girl to go with. No doubt, with time one can uncover who might be possible to pull, outside of the old style bars such as Suzi Wong or others of the type, but the occasional visitor to Bangkok does not have the time to build up that sort of knowledge even with the help of boards such as this one. Baccarra has possibilities, but one must fight against the natural inclination of the girls to prefer a particular type of clientele. And Shark has been good but it is looking a bit rundown as of late. Crazy House was my last stop tonight, it did have half the girls nude on stage, but more than half of those should have kept their clothes on. Cowboy was shut down by the unfriendly boys in brown before 1:30 am. It is now a poor caricature of itself, and like Nana it is surviving on a currently undeserved reputation.

Back to Nana. Looked in almost every bar, with the exclusion of the too common lady boy bars. Took a drink in about five bars, including Mandarin, Rainbow, the bar above Mandarin (never known its name, but it has the topless schoolgirl dancer style) and a couple of others. Needless to say, it was a whole lot of nothing. Visiting Nana even a few years ago used to be about choosing one from one hundred possibilities. Now, it is look at one hundred and maybe find one. Perhaps a bit of an exaggeration, but there is a tremendous number of late 20's and early 30's average women masquerading as sexy because they are dancing on the stage in various stages of undress. The all too rare truly attractive girl knows she is exactly that, which makes grabbing such a girl a much more complicated and time consuming exercise.

The premise of a collection of bars such as those in Nana is to have the number of the desirable girls outnumber the number of potential customers in a given night. In this type of dynamic, the motivations and incentives for creating liaisons clearly rest with the girls, leading to much better prices, and much better experiences both within the bar and outside of the bar. But now with the numbers of seekers outnumbering the number of desirable targets, the targets gain power in this system, and for the guy spending money in the bar, much of the fun (in my case, all of the fun) is sucked out of the system. The No Entertainment Plaza should drop Entertainment from its name, become a No Plaza, which I mean to imply is simply close NEP. It is a waste of time and money to visit the NEP now, unlike even a few years ago (similar to Cowboy) where great fun could be had, and a partner for the night or for an hour, could readily be found with little search cost.

This post might sound like much bitterness coming from one dreadful night, and if it does, this is true. But it also reflects a sum of experiences built up over a considerable number of visits to NEP and Cowboy over the past year. My hope was that each bad night was an exception, but it is not the case, the quality of the experience continues to go down. Thankfully Pattaya still has some life.

In the end, I can see why many frequent visitors to Bangkok or residents in Bangkok discuss having a favorite or a girl they continually rebook. With quality finds few and far between, one better hold onto the good girls once found. Yet, in a city as large as Bangkok, with historically as varied a sex scene as what it has, I find it surprising and disappointing that a very few places, and a select few girls, tend to dominate as destinations, again as reflected in the conversations on this board. The beauty of Bangkok to me, at least since I first visited the city in 1987, but then from 1998 when I started to regularly go there, was the great variety that could be found, and the really good time one could have in the gogos. A new good experience was always lurking just around the corner. As soon as you dispensed with one girl you could find another one who was better and more fun than the previous one.

Not anymore unfortunately. It is either going to take a great influx of new talent from a couple of neighboring countries, or a 1997 style meltdown, to stimulate entry into this industry and bring new life to an industry where old life dominates now.

[QUOTE=LoveSex22;1672650]Has any body been to the Den in Soi 12. Supposed to be a freelancer bar. I saw the photo looks kind of fancy. Open just last month.[/QUOTE]To Love sex 22.

I don't think Den is a freelance bar just a tiny bar with girl sitting outside waiting for customer, I walk by there a few week ago didn't see any girl I want so I didn't go inside someone told me they own by the same guy that own Eden club.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=LoveSex22;1672650]Has any body been to the Den in Soi 12. Supposed to be a freelancer bar. I saw the photo looks kind of fancy. Open just last month.[/QUOTE]See the review of the facility prior to opening: [URL]http://tour.thegirlsofwow.com/bjsblog/?p=1470[/URL]#more-1470.

Only a quick report as more wil come next week when have more time. The Den, stopped in to see it last week. I would guess 10 to 15 girls sitting on coaches inside. This was about 4 PM and they had opened at 3 PM. One or 2 customers at the bar talking with a girl. Reminds me more of a hostess bar from the past. I am sure the girls are available but didn't inquire. It was a little dark so can't tell quality If remember correctly standard drink prices 150 be. Might work with afternoon alternative. Don't know if have rooms or take out. Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=IAmRamesh86;1672601]Travelling to Thailand for 20 days planing to take USD! Can someone please help me with the best exchange rates both Pattaya and Bangkok thank you! Please PM me.[/QUOTE]Only change a minimum amount at the airport as the exchange rates are better in town. Enough to pay for transportation to your destination. In Bangkok I use the arab money changers in lower Suk between soi 3 and soi 5. In Pattaya the exchange rate is prominently posted it is easy so shop around. Bring pristine and the newer style $100 USD bills for the best exchange rates.

SL.

I just wanted to warn everyone of the rip off bars on Pat Pong 1. It has really gone downhill. I haven't been to Pat Pong in years however a visiting friend wanted to visit and have a drink. We went to Queen II which I had gone to years ago without incident. People have said that the king / Queen group is the most reputable. This time we went in an old hag waitress showed a drink menu without prices. I asked the price of a beer and was told 100 baht. Fair enough. She brought back two beers, a lady's drink and no bill. I asked why was the lady's drink there. She said "Oh good luck for me. " I told her that I didn't order a drink for her and not buying her a drink. She sat down the drink and walked away. Big red flag. I looked around and saw two other customers. I looked at the stage and saw this horrible line up of 2 scale women and a few ladyboys that made ugly women. After 3-4 minutes a girl came on stage to do a quick dart show. I called a waitress over to ask for the bill and was told that I had to walk over the the cashier. Another red flag. As soon as I went over I was presented with a bill for over 3,000 baht. 300 for each beer, a lady's drink and entertainment charge. I told them that I'm not paying for false changes and immediately took out my cell phone as if to call the police. The mamasun then said "Ok how much you give me? Ok just give me 600 baht for the drinks. " I went back to my seat. They turned the music down, closed the door and stood near the door. I pretended to dial and talk on the phone. I was in fact trying to call the police but could not remember the number. After a few short minutes the mamasun angrily said "Ok give me 200 baht and get out!" I had it in my hand because I knew that all we rally owed. I handed it over and we quickly made our way out of there. Under no circumstance will I ever visit a bar in Pat Pong again. If you must visit a place in Pat Pong be careful and if it's up stairs, forget it.

My brother thank you who are you? God send from above? My brother from another mother! God bless you I hope and pray you find hot chick and get to hump them even when you cross 100 years, I hope you get to hump hot chick everyday of your life! God bless you.

Thank you may god shower blessings on your I am travelling to Thailand for 20 days my dear brother I tried some dating app like you suggested you won't believe me I hooked up with 10 hot chicks Thai hot chick all 7-8/10 on look, mother of all god, out of 10 chicks 5 wanted to meet me and with two of them I had sex chat one of them wanted to stay with me for a day thanks to line app I get to see them naked! All Thai girls are very active on line, this is my third visit to Bangkok I guess this time I ain't going to pay for sex unless and until the girl is super hot 9/10 on looks holy mother of god it took 7 days of sleepless night chatting with them convincing them them I'm the nicest guy ever, and it worked thank you my dear brother, Thai girls are nice and easy they are like flowers, I love them! Just treat them nice, it takes time don't talk about sex right away? Make them comfortable most of the girls don't speak English they use google translate to communicate, treat them with respect, they are like beautiful flowers.

It took a week for me, post a good photo, be polite, don't talk about sex right away when you meet them online, don't ask for naked photos, according to one super hot chick Thailand girls don't talk about sex!! LOL most thai girls are horny they will open up when they get comfortable with you I wish I could post their pictures over here, but most oif the girls college studying couple of them owns a shop in Bangkok all young girls, and they are super nice and gentle sorry I can't share any pics!! Thank you Dkkdog god bless you!! Thank you for sharing such valuable info in this forum I love you ISG Jackson, I love you my brother god bless you all!

PS: I hooked up with acute chubby sweet pie Thai girl and she is lesbian never seen a dick, we became such good friend she saw my dick and excited to meet me in Bangkok so wish me good luck thank you guys.

Stay horny forever.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1670314]Just a quick update guys. So we have We chat, Badoo, Thai Friendly, and Date in Asia. All have location based searching available with We chat and Badoo being real time. I would like to add Tango and Skout to the list. Both have real time location based searching like We chat. I have also experienced very good luck with these two apps. Skout netted me a 25 year old freebie who loves sex and fucked me BB for 3 weeks straight about 4 times a week. Investment was a few dinners. I have been on some very promising dates from Tango and I'm sure my efforts will be rewarded soon. Guys it takes patience and perseverance to succeed with these apps. Post a good photo, be polite, and play the game. If you go with the flow the ladies will lead the conversation in the right direction. Here are the screen shots from Skout and Tango for the newbies. With Tango click on discover / people nearby. With Skout, click on meet and you will see the list of online girls with how far away they are from you. Tango and Skout have much farther radiuses, where we chat limits it depending on the number of people playing. For example late at night there are fewer people playing so you get a larger area. If you are located on sukomvit you will have the same number of people but it much closer area to you. Hope this helps guys. Modern day mongering may be taking over. LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MadSkillz;1673160]I just wanted to warn everyone of the rip off bars on Pat Pong 1.[/QUOTE]Bars on Patpong have been running this scam for years. It was brave of you to try to bluff your way out of the situation. And it is fortunate the bluff worked. Over the years I have heard and read stories in which the bluff did not work. The sad endings involved the police showing up and threatening to jail the poor punter for refusing to pay a "legitimate" bill to guys getting badly beaten and then arrested by the police. I have no idea if these stories are true. All have been hearsay. Frankly, if I was in that situation, I'd pay the 3000 and get out fast. But then I stay away from the area so I won't get caught up in that scam.

Airport exchange counters offer poor rates. If you are staying around sukhumvit then go to vasu exchange. It is located under BTS Nana station and offers good rates. They even have a website where you can check the current rates. Pattaya has many street options where rates are displayed so you can look around for the best offers.

Always carry 100 or 50 USD bills. Lower denominations will fetch you less rates.

[QUOTE=IAmRamesh86;1672601]Travelling to Thailand for 20 days planing to take USD! Can someone please help me with the best exchange rates both Pattaya and Bangkok thank you! Please PM me.[/QUOTE]

Russians can be found in the coffee shop of rajah hotel. There are many african ladies available on Sukhumvit road near soi 11-13 after 10 PM. I am not sure about the rates as I am not interested hence never asked.

[QUOTE=DarkSmurf;1672518]I've heard there are Russian freelancers to be found around Bangkok but not much mention of them on these forums. Are Russians (and other non-Thais) common and what sort of rates can I expect and where should one look for them? It's always nice to have some variety![/QUOTE]

Not all bars in Patpong are ripoff joints. Go to Patpong 2. Ignore the touts and do not go into any bar that has not been recommended here on the forum. The bars worth visiting are Electric Blue, The Strip, and Bada Bing. I promise nothing untoward will happen to you in any of these three establishments and you might have a real good time. I plan on spending one evening in Patpong 2 when I visit BKK again, just for the hell of it and for a change of venue from Cowboy and Nana. I know Electric Blue has some nice girls and in bar action can occur at the Strip. Somebody else recently remarked that Bada Bing had some lookers. I will post a report after my visit.

MadSkillz; Queens Castle 1 on Patpong 1 was the bar where I popped my Thai cherry. I will never forget that place. The year was 1989. I was visiting Bangkok and Phuket with my American GF at the time. One night just before dinner we got into a fight and she started to sulk. Rather than endure the silent treatment, I walked out of the room and took a taxi to Patpong where I checked out a couple of bars. I met a very pretty spinner in the 2nd bar I visited which turned out to be Queens Castle 1. After some conversation her hand began to wander below the bar table and I was instantly hard. She took me to a ST hotel across the alley and I had my first taste of Thai pussy. It felt great like a tremendous load had been lifted off my back. Afterwards I cleaned up and went back to my hotel room. My GF was no longer in pout mode. We kissed and made up. And then I shagged her brains out. It was the first time I ever cheated on her. I think the barfine, the hotel room, ST, and tip came to 1500bt. It was a very memorable night.

[QUOTE=Koalie2001;1672735]That should be the new name of NEP.

Over the past few months, my last few visits to Nana have been depressing, but tonight's visit was the most depressing by far.

[/QUOTE]Could not agree with you more. I make the rounds in the Plaza from time to time when friends visit and it is usually awful. I can't think of a bar in there that I would recommend to any one. Erotica is dregs and lady boys. Chillies downstairs is freaks and lady boys. BillBoard has lost almost all their cute Jacuzzi girls and the ones on stage are tattoed silicone moms. The two Mandarin bars (the one above Mandarin is also Mandarin) are now chock full of Coyotes. Same goes for what used to be Fantasia but is now CandyLand 2. And for Candyland 1. Bubbles is all Coyotes. The small bars on the second floor have had no talent in 10 years. The new ones on the ground floor Underground and London Calling are dreadful and from what I saw it looks like the Underground has gone back to primarily being a Lady Boy bar. Skool Something is all coyotes. That pretty much leaves the Rainbow bars. And the good looking girls there prefer Japanese if they can get them. That is not to say that none of these bars have a few cute girls that can be barfined but the general perception one gets is that these are primarily mediocre girls at best. And their prices just keep rising. There are lots of theories as to where the good looking girls have gone but they sure are not at the gogos any more. And I don't know a guy who lives here that doesn't feel the same.

[QUOTE=Mackin;1672926]Only a quick report as more wil come next week when have more time. The Den, stopped in to see it last week. I would guess 10 to 15 girls sitting on coaches inside. This was about 4 PM and they had opened at 3 PM. One or 2 customers at the bar talking with a girl. Reminds me more of a hostess bar from the past. I am sure the girls are available but didn't inquire. It was a little dark so can't tell quality If remember correctly standard drink prices 150 be. Might work with afternoon alternative. Don't know if have rooms or take out. Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update. I was hoping its a freelancer bar. A friend of mine gave me that idea.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1673197]Could not agree with you more. I make the rounds in the Plaza from time to time when friends visit and it is usually awful. I can't think of a bar in there that I would recommend to any one. Erotica is dregs and lady boys. Chillies downstairs is freaks and lady boys. BillBoard has lost almost all their cute Jacuzzi girls and the ones on stage are tattoed silicone moms. The two Mandarin bars (the one above Mandarin is also Mandarin) are now chock full of Coyotes. Same goes for what used to be Fantasia but is now CandyLand 2. And for Candyland 1. Bubbles is all Coyotes. The small bars on the second floor have had no talent in 10 years. The new ones on the ground floor Underground and London Calling are dreadful and from what I saw it looks like the Underground has gone back to primarily being a Lady Boy bar. Skool Something is all coyotes. That pretty much leaves the Rainbow bars. And the good looking girls there prefer Japanese if they can get them. That is not to say that none of these bars have a few cute girls that can be barfined but the general perception one gets is that these are primarily mediocre girls at best. And their prices just keep rising. There are lots of theories as to where the good looking girls have gone but they sure are not at the gogos any more. And I don't know a guy who lives here that doesn't feel the same.[/QUOTE]Correct. "Turn out the lights; the party's over. ".

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1673197]Could not agree with you more. I make the rounds in the Plaza from time to time when friends visit and it is usually awful. I can't think of a bar in there that I would recommend to any one. Erotica is dregs and lady boys. Chillies downstairs is freaks and lady boys. BillBoard has lost almost all their cute Jacuzzi girls and the ones on stage are tattoed silicone moms. The two Mandarin bars (the one above Mandarin is also Mandarin) are now chock full of Coyotes. Same goes for what used to be Fantasia but is now CandyLand 2. And for Candyland 1. Bubbles is all Coyotes. The small bars on the second floor have had no talent in 10 years. The new ones on the ground floor Underground and London Calling are dreadful and from what I saw it looks like the Underground has gone back to primarily being a Lady Boy bar. Skool Something is all coyotes. That pretty much leaves the Rainbow bars. And the good looking girls there prefer Japanese if they can get them. That is not to say that none of these bars have a few cute girls that can be barfined but the general perception one gets is that these are primarily mediocre girls at best. And their prices just keep rising. There are lots of theories as to where the good looking girls have gone but they sure are not at the gogos any more. And I don't know a guy who lives here that doesn't feel the same.[/QUOTE]Rainbow 4 and 1 are fine for non-Asians. I even declare R4 a farang bar. There are a few pretty girls sprinkled among the many sub-standard ones. #67 got some of the most hideous silicone on the planet. If she were in america I'm sure she could sue doctor for $1,000,000 and win.

I was booked at the Dawin. Had to change plans for work. The Dawin stated that I was booked for early bird promotion, and therefore unable to get a refund. I told them that I would post a negative review on every booking site that uses the Dawin. After hearing this, they gave me 100% refund.

Can a hotel like the Dawin affect immigration at the airport? I know hotel owners have power, but I really don't know what to do here. Will I get past Thai immigration after fighting and winning against a Thai hotel?

I agree with what's been said about the go gos. I guess I can imagine how first time visitors used to spending $20 on a 2 minute lapdance in their home countries might be wowed, but I don't understand how regular visitors of Southeast Asia could enjoy these places anymore with the attitudes, prices and looks. I very rarely visit nowadays and when I do I'm always sorely disappointed for all the reasons mentioned. I have a few go to girls and places still but the scene in general is shit. There are much better options.

In Nana, Suckers (used to be Lollipop) has a few tight spinners that are good to go and very occasionally Rainbow 2 will have a winner (and isn't as packed as its sister bars). Patpong has Electric Blue and the Strip. Still plenty of hotties in both of these bars and they're good to go too. Never been rejected or coyoted in either. The best thing around Cowboy is CH which doesn't say much about that area.

[QUOTE=MadSkillz;1673160] If you must visit a place in Pat Pong be careful and if it's up stairs, forget it.[/QUOTE]I'm very sorry to hear what happened to you but it's well known that the upstairs bars in Pat Pong are rip off places. Every tourist guide book warns about that.

[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1673172]The sad endings involved the police showing up and threatening to jail the poor punter for refusing to pay a "legitimate" bill to guys getting badly beaten and then arrested by the police. [/QUOTE]Even when people called the tourist police? Just wondering because they advise you to call the tourist police when you're in trouble.

[QUOTE=BronzeMan;1673412]I agree with what's been said about the go gos. I guess I can imagine how first time visitors used to spending $20 on a 2 minute lapdance in their home countries might be wowed, but I don't understand how regular visitors of Southeast Asia could enjoy these places anymore with the attitudes, prices and looks. I very rarely visit nowadays and when I do I'm always sorely disappointed for all the reasons mentioned. I have a few go to girls and places still but the scene in general is shit. There are much better options.

In Nana, Suckers (used to be Lollipop) has a few tight spinners that are good to go and very occasionally Rainbow 2 will have a winner (and isn't as packed as its sister bars). Patpong has Electric Blue and the Strip. Still plenty of hotties in both of these bars and they're good to go too. Never been rejected or coyoted in either. The best thing around Cowboy is CH which doesn't say much about that area.[/QUOTE]I am in complete agreement with you. Amazed everyday when I see posts from guys who think it is still "great. " Numbers wise, attitude wise, cost wise, etc. It's all a small fraction of what it was 10 short years ago and compared to 15 years ago when I moved here; well, no comment could describe the magnitude of difference.

Is it better than most of our home countries when it comes to women? Sure it is. But I am a resident here and have been for over a decade and a half. How things are in the US or other Western nations have no bearing on me. For me and most other long term residents, the comparison is BKK now and BKK then. And there is no comparison. None at all.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1673433]Even when people called the tourist police? Just wondering because they advise you to call the tourist police when you're in trouble.[/QUOTE]I mentioned these stories are hearsay. They involve someone with arrest authority arriving and matters get worse. I have no idea if that is the tourist police.

[QUOTE=Uwillu;1673365]

Will I get past Thai immigration [/QUOTE]Hopefully not.

You book a non refundable room, then when you cancel you blackmail the hotel into giving you a refund. You hear about people threatening bad review if they don't get something they're not entitled to. Nothing but contempt for them.

[QUOTE=IAmRamesh86;1672601]Travelling to Thailand for 20 days planing to take USD! Can someone please help me with the best exchange rates both Pattaya and Bangkok thank you![/QUOTE][URL]http://bankexchangerates.daytodaydata.net/default.aspx[/URL]

You'll get the best rate on *new* $100 bills.

Bunky

[QUOTE=Uwillu;1673365]I was booked at the Dawin. Had to change plans for work. The Dawin stated that I was booked for early bird promotion, and therefore unable to get a refund. I told them that I would post a negative review on every booking site that uses the Dawin. After hearing this, they gave me 100% refund.

Can a hotel like the Dawin affect immigration at the airport? I know hotel owners have power, but I really don't know what to do here. Will I get past Thai immigration after fighting and winning against a Thai hotel?[/QUOTE]Your fucked as Dawin hold great sway at Thai immigration. You could easily sneak over the Laos or Cambodian border at night however and transit that way.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1673433]Even when people called the tourist police? Just wondering because they advise you to call the tourist police when you're in trouble.[/QUOTE]The tourist police can actually be very helpful, at least in my experience, and will decide if the "real" police need to be involved. In my case I lost a bag containing amongst other things quite a sum of money and my passport. I was actually in a medium sized town outside Bangkok, and the hotel took me to the tourist police who took a report, took me to the normal police to see if there was anything else to be done and then drove me back to my hotel. The male officer also inquired on a number of occasions why I was travelling on my own, what did I think of thai women and whether I had a thai girlfriend. The women in the office were also very friendly making sure I had something to drink and some fruit to eat. They then insisted on taking a picture of me with them. Another satisfied customer trying to put a brave face on a lost passport. In the morning when I was checking out I had a message so say that they had recovered my bag, so I then spent a happy hour filling in another report, checking what had been taken (I got my passport back), and being flirted with by the female staff. Overall they made a pretty grim experience something I can smile about.

YOU booked the room knowing the criteria and now you threaten them with negative reviews because YOUR plans changed. You'll be seeing the inside of the Bangkok Hilton when you try to re-enter Thailand. Sure! (Yea right).

[QUOTE=Uwillu;1673365]I was booked at the Dawin. Had to change plans for work. The Dawin stated that I was booked for early bird promotion, and therefore unable to get a refund. I told them that I would post a negative review on every booking site that uses the Dawin. After hearing this, they gave me 100% refund.

Can a hotel like the Dawin affect immigration at the airport? I know hotel owners have power, but I really don't know what to do here. Will I get past Thai immigration after fighting and winning against a Thai hotel?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Uwillu;1673365]I was booked at the Dawin. Had to change plans for work. The Dawin stated that I was booked for early bird promotion, and therefore unable to get a refund. I told them that I would post a negative review on every booking site that uses the Dawin. After hearing this, they gave me 100% refund.

Can a hotel like the Dawin affect immigration at the airport?[/QUOTE]Let's hope so. It's guys like you that give all of us a bad name.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1673197] Erotica is dregs and lady boys.[/QUOTE]I haven't been at NEP for maybe six months, but always considered Erotica one of the go-go's where there were no lady boys dancing or bar fineable. There was a fat grotesque lady boy "mama-san," however, who could be annoying. Are you talking about "her," or have things changed and the barfine pool now includes lady boys?

[QUOTE=IanOxon;1673721]The tourist police can actually be very helpful, at least in my experience, and will decide if the "real" police need to be involved. In my case I lost a bag containing amongst other things quite a sum of money and my passport. I was actually in a medium sized town outside Bangkok, and the hotel took me to the tourist police who took a report, took me to the normal police to see if there was anything else to be done and then drove me back to my hotel. The male officer also inquired on a number of occasions why I was travelling on my own, what did I think of thai women and whether I had a thai girlfriend. The women in the office were also very friendly making sure I had something to drink and some fruit to eat. They then insisted on taking a picture of me with them. Another satisfied customer trying to put a brave face on a lost passport. In the morning when I was checking out I had a message so say that they had recovered my bag, so I then spent a happy hour filling in another report, checking what had been taken (I got my passport back), and being flirted with by the female staff. Overall they made a pretty grim experience something I can smile about.[/QUOTE]Good to hear about your positive experience with the tourist police. I have a question though. I read either in a post here or maybe elsewhere that the tourist police either consisted of foreigners, or at least had a substantial number of them. This surprised me, and I'm skeptical that the Thai government would allow foreigners to serve in this capacity. Were the tourist police you dealt with Thais, foreigners, or both? And more generally, does anyone here know whether as a general matter the tourist police consist of Thais and / or foreigners?

[QUOTE=Uwillu;1673365]I was booked at the Dawin. Had to change plans for work. The Dawin stated that I was booked for early bird promotion, and therefore unable to get a refund. I told them that I would post a negative review on every booking site that uses the Dawin. After hearing this, they gave me 100% refund.

Can a hotel like the Dawin affect immigration at the airport? I know hotel owners have power, but I really don't know what to do here. Will I get past Thai immigration after fighting and winning against a Thai hotel?[/QUOTE]Funny you had enough balls to threaten the hotel but now you are worry about little old Immigration! Just tell them you are going to post a negative review that will get you through why switch up now.

I just arrived from the Philippines earlier this week. Many of my friends in PHP said I would dislike Bangkok when compared with Manila especially as it relates to prices and the experiences I would have with girls. Girls Not speaking English was high on their list. I have not had that many experiences to make a fair comparison but I have seen and heard enough to understand what they are talking about.

A few nights ago, I decided to try a massage place on Soi 4, which was near my hotel. The price for 60 minute massage was 450 bhat. I could tell it was not the nicest place from the outside and know about more premium establishments from RTFF. But let's call this an impulse buy as I spotted a little hottie sitting, amongst the dregs, as I strolled by. The girl took me upstairs to a somewhat grotty reception area and then an equally grotty room where I was invited to take a shower first. While taking my clothes off, I noticed a sign on the peeling wall asking that customers do not solicit the masseuse for additional services. Yeah, right, I thought.

I laid on my stomach and the girl immediately removed my towel and began working on my legs and thighs, not at all shy about wandering her fingers near the jewels. In a short period of time, she asked me to flip over, whereupon she began stroking my inner thigh and asking me if I would like a hand job. The price, she explained, was 500 bhat for a hand job or 1000 for a BJ. I thought it over a bit and confirmed a hand job with her. Then she mumbled something about a body to body massage, getting naked, etc. And quoting an additional price of 1000 bhat. I declined the body to body as not sure what that entailed but before I had time to address whether I should ask her to remove her clothes, she had quickly done so. Pretty nice succulent tits and good body overall. Her pubic area was not shaved with the exception of her juicy lips, which had been thoroughly trimmed to the nub. I toyed with her pussy for a while with some lite kissing on the lips while I sat back and enjoyed her hand work. I had not had sexy for several days so exploded rather quickly on her tiny soft hands.

Then she told me that I owed her 1000 bhat. I said no and coolly gave her 500 bhat to test her reaction than calmly and slowly dressed while she stood there. Finishing dressing, I nodded at the latched door, which she unlocked. As we stepped out, she repeated that I owed her another 500 baht and I awaited the fireworks in the reception area. However, when we got to the reception, no one was there and she proceeded me to the top of the stairs where I made a glance towards her and descended and exited stage right without incident.

Later that evening, I went to a club on Soi 7/1 called Bangkok Beats. I also went last night (see the end paragraph). This is a place where the predominant P4 P crowd goes to let their hair down. Two great bands, a small but adequate dance floor, and occasionally specials on drinks. A lot of average girls but also some real gems in the crowd. For a time, I thought I had landed a gal as she tumbled over in my direction a few times but was so inebriated on their Jack Daniels special that eventually she rolled out the front door never to return. However, she did leave me a full Jack Daniels to consume, Later in the evening, another girl came by and started dancing me and within a few minutes we were making out. Bingo, I thought and excused myself after about 20 minutes of groping to go to the bathroom. When I returned, I found my girl making out with another guy and the guy drinking the Jack Daniels I had partially consumed! WTF!

However, my disappointment was short lived as one of her modestly attractive friends came over to console me. In no time, she had me out the door and on my way to my apartment. So far, no money had been discussed. Upon arrival, she promptly said you take a shower first and then I take one. After she completed her shower she joined me in the bedroom where I enjoyed myself immensely (she grimaced most of the time so hard to tell with her) though the condom fell off during sex and she had to run to the shower to douche. Now came the cutting moment as she asked for money. I said that I did not have much and could only give 1000 bhat. She said she wanted 2000 bhat but I said that money was not discussed beforehand and that was all I had. She grumbled a bit but took the money and my phone number but have not heard from her.

This is the fourth time on my Asia trip that girls have attempted to renegotiate or finagle the price or establish different previously agreed services once in my room. Two times in PHP and twice on the same night here in BKK. On all occassions, I have rejected their attempts and not had to pay more than previously agreed but odd as it rarely has happened to me in the past. I wrote some reports in the Makati, PHP on my PHP experiences in this regard.

Ok, to finish up. Last night I returned to Bangkok Beat and the same type crowd was there except with more girls and some real lookers in this group. The music was great again too and the dance floor was heaving with hotties. I started to talk to a girl and realized after a few minutes that she was not P4 P as she told me she was a student in Tokyo and was from a town located outside Bangkok, and it was her first time in this bar. She was with a Thai woman friend who had a European guy draped over her. We talked about 30 minutes before she said she had to go. So I guess not everyone in there is P4 P.

I had noticed a very attractive Thai girl with short page boy haircut dyed a light reddish brown. She had an unbelievable body and was dressed more fashionably than the other girls in the bar. Her girl friend had dark hair but also well dressed. Eventually, I caught her eye and she came to me and we started dancing and touching etc. However, between her virtual non existent English and the loud music, I could not figure out what she kept whispering to me. Finally, another friend (and English speaker) of the girl at the table interceded to say that my new friend really liked me and wanted to go with me. But her interpreter added that my new friend was NOT a working girl but had a regular office job. That being the case (ahem), she did not know what price she should ask from me if I took her to my apartment as it would be her first time doing this. I know, pretty ridiculous!!! So I played along and said, well, would she stay long time? She asked my new friend about long time ahd she nodded her head emphatically. So I said 2000 baht for long time figuring that there was a high likelihood she would leave after the first pop with some lousy excuse so I would have received fair compensation for a short time situation. Basically, I decided to low ball my offer. She told the girl the price, and after a brief consultation with her dark haired friend, she returned to the table with her girl friend putting an end to our erstwhile passionate relationship. So much for romance. Oh, I almost forgot, she showed me a baseball style card with her picture on it with long hair after I complimented her on her page boy cut. I recall a working girl in PHP also gave me a similar type card.

Shortly thereafter, she left with an older guy who obviously was willing to pay her asking price. Interestingly enough, the other girl also left with her so he might have had a rollicking threesome or perhaps just a major short time disappointment.

However, I am curious about the fair price one would expect to pay if meeting a girl here or a similar place for short term or long term. Any recommendations?. Clearly, On my first evening, the girl accepted the $1000 baht for short time though my 2000 baht long time offer last night obviously fell way short.

[QUOTE=IAmRamesh86;1673163]My brother thank you who are you? God send from above? My brother from another mother! God bless you I hope and pray you find hot chick and get to hump them even when you cross 100 years, I hope you get to hump hot chick everyday of your life! God bless you.

Thank you may god shower blessings on your I am travelling to Thailand for 20 days my dear brother I tried some dating app like you suggested you won't believe me I hooked up with 10 hot chicks Thai hot chick all 7-8/10 on look, mother of all god, out of 10 chicks 5 wanted to meet me and with two of them I had sex chat one of them wanted to stay with me for a day thanks to line app I get to see them naked! All Thai girls are very active on line, this is my third visit to Bangkok I guess this time I ain't going to pay for sex unless and until the girl is super hot 9/10 on looks holy mother of god it took 7 days of sleepless night chatting with them convincing them them I'm the nicest guy ever, and it worked thank you my dear brother, Thai girls are nice and easy they are like flowers, I love them! Just treat them nice, it takes time don't talk about sex right away? Make them comfortable most of the girls don't speak English they use google translate to communicate, treat them with respect, they are like beautiful flowers.

It took a week for me, post a good photo, be polite, don't talk about sex right away when you meet them online, don't ask for naked photos, according to one super hot chick Thailand girls don't talk about sex!! LOL most thai girls are horny they will open up when they get comfortable with you I wish I could post their pictures over here, but most oif the girls college studying couple of them owns a shop in Bangkok all young girls, and they are super nice and gentle sorry I can't share any pics!! Thank you Dkkdog god bless you!! Thank you for sharing such valuable info in this forum I love you ISG Jackson, I love you my brother god bless you all!

PS: I hooked up with acute chubby sweet pie Thai girl and she is lesbian never seen a dick, we became such good friend she saw my dick and excited to meet me in Bangkok so wish me good luck thank you guys.

Stay horny forever.

Thank you.[/QUOTE]Just had one session with a girl from Skout last night. Came to my room to cuddle at 4:00 AM. Anyways I received many PM's on what I do to be successful on these apps. It cannot be taught. You my friend have learned very fast and deserve all the success you are having. Cheers and happy mongering!

[QUOTE=Uwillu;1673365]I was booked at the Dawin. [b]Had to change plans for work[/b]. The Dawin stated that I was booked for early bird promotion, and therefore unable to get a refund. I told them that I would post a negative review on every booking site that uses the Dawin. After hearing this, they gave me 100% refund.

Can a hotel like the Dawin affect immigration at the airport? I know hotel owners have power, but I really don't know what to do here. Will I get past Thai immigration after fighting and winning against a Thai hotel?[/QUOTE]You booked under certain conditions. Your plans changed afterwards. That is solely your problem, not the hotel's. You still have to fulfill the booking contract.

Not fulfilling a contract is an ethical nono.

I hope guys like you do get banned from Thailand and everywhere else.

You got to be kidding, maybe there are some trolls under your bed too, better take a looksee. If the hotel gave you a refund on your card that will be the end of the matter. What shithouse country do you come from that makes you think the whole world operates like you fear?

[QUOTE=Uwillu;1673365]I was booked at the Dawin. Had to change plans for work. The Dawin stated that I was booked for early bird promotion, and therefore unable to get a refund. I told them that I would post a negative review on every booking site that uses the Dawin. After hearing this, they gave me 100% refund.

Can a hotel like the Dawin affect immigration at the airport? I know hotel owners have power, but I really don't know what to do here. Will I get past Thai immigration after fighting and winning against a Thai hotel?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1673785]Were the tourist police you dealt with Thais, foreigners, or both? And more generally, does anyone here know whether as a general matter the tourist police consist of Thais and / or foreigners?[/QUOTE]Haven't you ever been to Thailand? Foreign tourist police volunteers are everywhere. They are, of course, not police and have no powers whatsoever except to be personally known by real police. Sometime police uses them as decoys or when they don't want to show up personally for whatever reason. One of the most pitiful roles I have seen them do is to proxy cops to issue traffic tickets in Pattaya. They are mostly a walking joke.

Great. But as far as I know all these apps (wechat, tango, skout, etc.) are real time and can only deal with these in finding people nearby when we are in Thailand.

How can we use them when we are still in our native land? Can you pass on which apps you used which we can use to start working on them before we land there?

Cheers

[QUOTE=IAmRamesh86;1673163]My brother thank you who are you? God send from above? My brother from another mother! God bless you I hope and pray you find hot chick and get to hump them even when you cross 100 years, I hope you get to hump hot chick everyday of your life! God bless you.

Thank you may god shower blessings on your I am travelling to Thailand for 20 days my dear brother I tried some dating app like you suggested you won't believe me I hooked up with 10 hot chicks Thai hot chick all 7-8/10 on look, mother of all god, out of 10 chicks 5 wanted to meet me and with two of them I had sex chat one of them wanted to stay with me for a day thanks to line app I get to see them naked! All Thai girls are very active on line, this is my third visit to Bangkok I guess this time I ain't going to pay for sex unless and until the girl is super hot 9/10 on looks holy mother of god it took 7 days of sleepless night chatting with them convincing them them I'm the nicest guy ever, and it worked thank you my dear brother, Thai girls are nice and easy they are like flowers, I love them! Just treat them nice, it takes time don't talk about sex right away? Make them comfortable most of the girls don't speak English they use google translate to communicate, treat them with respect, they are like beautiful flowers..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1673843]
Later that evening, I went to a club on Soi 7/1 called Bangkok Beats. I also went last night (see the end paragraph). This is a place where the predominant P4 P crowd goes to let their hair down. Two great bands, a small but adequate dance floor, and occasionally specials on drinks. A lot of average girls but also some real gems in the crowd. For a time, I thought I had landed a gal as she tumbled over in my direction a few times but was so inebriated on their Jack Daniels special that eventually she rolled out the front door never to return. However, she did leave me a full Jack Daniels to consume, Later in the evening, another girl came by and started dancing me and within a few minutes we were making out. Bingo, I thought and excused myself after about 20 minutes of groping to go to the bathroom. When I returned, I found my girl making out with another guy and the guy drinking the Jack Daniels I had partially consumed! WTF!
[/QUOTE]Ahaha! Yes Bangkok Beat is exactly that kind of place. Your case of un-owned JDs and easy groping is the least, in my case had to take an old drunk shouting in my face for no reason. The rest of your story is also to Bangkok. On the same notes I'll have to tell the story of stunner and the cutie...

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1673843]However, I am curious about the fair price one would expect to pay if meeting a girl here or a similar place for short term or long term. Any recommendations?. Clearly, On my first evening, the girl accepted the $1000 baht for short time though my 2000 baht long time offer last night obviously fell way short.[/QUOTE]Both in phils and thailand I donate 3 k for LT play (FL or not), been donating same price since 2007. I never do discuss price upfront and if a girl state a price I ditch her, next one please. Reason for doing so are that girls will perform on the high side when they don't know how much (if any) I will give them. I invest some time in building chemistry with her and if she is part of a group I always treat all the girls here nice and buy a lot of drinks etc (to her and friends). That makes the girl feel good about herself and she gets good karma from her group. Just get them to actually like you by having fun, drink and party. You get good performance in return.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1673896]Haven't you ever been to Thailand? Foreign tourist police volunteers are everywhere. They are, of course, not police and have no powers whatsoever except to be personally known by real police. Sometime police uses them as decoys or when they don't want to show up personally for whatever reason. One of the most pitiful roles I have seen them do is to proxy cops to issue traffic tickets in Pattaya. They are mostly a walking joke.[/QUOTE]I've been to Thailand around 30 times, on average for at least a couple of weeks per visit, and have spent more than 90 percent of my time there in Bangkok. I guess I just haven't noticed them as such in the hustle and bustle of that city. If they wear some sort of uniform, perhaps after glancing at them I might have thought they were flight crews, foreign military on R&R or something like that.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1673781]I haven't been at NEP for maybe six months, but always considered Erotica one of the go-go's where there were no lady boys dancing or bar fineable. There was a fat grotesque lady boy "mama-san," however, who could be annoying. Are you talking about "her," or have things changed and the barfine pool now includes lady boys?[/QUOTE]Yes. Erotica has about 5 LB's that are dancers. Generally not too difficult to spot unless you have had a few drinks. Then it might be easy to make a mistake. About 3 weeks ago I was upstairs from the bar with a few friends doing karaoke. But there is also a short time room right there and during our 2 hours or so of bad singing I saw at least 3 guys go in with LBs from the bar. Whether they knew or not I can't say but the girls I was with sure did because they found it amusing. But I was wondering how any guy in the room could focus on sex with all of us singing House of the Rising Sun so loudly and so badly right outside the room! Erotica started employing LB's about 6 months ago. I expect because it is so hard to find girls these days. And from what I have witnessed they do quite well. This reminds me that Straps on the second floor is all LB's with one exception. Confirmed by the girl. A month or so back someone was speculating on this in this forum.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1673843]

However, I am curious about the fair price one would expect to pay if meeting a girl here or a similar place for short term or long term. Any recommendations?. Clearly, On my first evening, the girl accepted the $1000 baht for short time though my 2000 baht long time offer last night obviously fell way short.[/QUOTE]These days 1000 baht for st from a decent looking freelancer is below market price. I am surprised she didn't raise more of a fuss. You can get away with that from some of the raggedy street girls but almost every respectable freelancer who is working in a club or a disco is asking for 2000-3000 for short time. Perhaps you can bargain them down but not often. It wasn't all that long ago when the standard price was 1500 but over the past year or two FL prices have taken a gigantic increase. Why they would expect you to pay more for them than a gogo girl is beyond me but obviously lots of guys are doing so.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1673989]Yes. Erotica has about 5 LB's that are dancers. Generally not too difficult to spot unless you have had a few drinks. Then it might be easy to make a mistake. About 3 weeks ago I was upstairs from the bar with a few friends doing karaoke. But there is also a short time room right there and during our 2 hours or so of bad singing I saw at least 3 guys go in with LBs from the bar. Whether they knew or not I can't say but the girls I was with sure did because they found it amusing. But I was wondering how any guy in the room could focus on sex with all of us singing House of the Rising Sun so loudly and so badly right outside the room! Erotica started employing LB's about 6 months ago. I expect because it is so hard to find girls these days. And from what I have witnessed they do quite well. This reminds me that Straps on the second floor is all LB's with one exception. Confirmed by the girl. A month or so back someone was speculating on this in this forum.[/QUOTE]Well, that is not good news at all. When in Bangkok I don't frequent go-gos very often, but when I have Erotica was one of those I liked to visit. It sounds like that will be no more unless things change back, which they don't do often.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1673197]Could not agree with you more. I make the rounds in the Plaza from time to time when friends visit and it is usually awful. I can't think of a bar in there that I would recommend to any one. Erotica is dregs and lady boys. Chillies downstairs is freaks and lady boys. BillBoard has lost almost all their cute Jacuzzi girls and the ones on stage are tattoed silicone moms. The two Mandarin bars (the one above Mandarin is also Mandarin) are now chock full of Coyotes. Same goes for what used to be Fantasia but is now CandyLand 2. [/QUOTE]Candyland 2 was previously called Hot Lips, and may have been called Fantasia before that. Its not a Coyote bar. Its not naked, but many girls are topless. I know a hot girl who works there and another who used to work there. I don't specially go for the bar, but its only special girls that I like to visit occasionally. I did not notice any Coyote stuff according to what I expect Coyote to be. So I think that is unfare assessment, perhaps very out-dated.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1673992]These days 1000 baht for st from a decent looking freelancer is below market price. I am surprised she didn't raise more of a fuss. You can get away with that from some of the raggedy street girls but almost every respectable freelancer who is working in a club or a disco is asking for 2000-3000 for short time. Perhaps you can bargain them down but not often. It wasn't all that long ago when the standard price was 1500 but over the past year or two FL prices have taken a gigantic increase. Why they would expect you to pay more for them than a gogo girl is beyond me but obviously lots of guys are doing so.[/QUOTE]I know you are a polite man -so ill say it. I'm no politically korrect.

What happened was the girl was in high probability a raggedly type girl- therefore tried to get an overpayment but grudgingly accepted what she probably would have accepted if negotiations took place at the beginning.

P.S. Note about Rainbow 2. Ther e are at least 3 flat-chested girls who get barfined regularly and one on them has to be the number 1 barfined. Not in my wildest dreams would I have thought flat girls making so much money.

Hello,

Today I was sitting in my usual coffee and cake shop in BKK. After a while a pretty lady from Chiang rai did sit down at my table. She did tell me she did loose her job 2 months ago and will start working in that coffee shop next month. I did offer her a cake and we talked some time. After a while she did go inside again.

Some of her future co workers were eating inside and she did join them. They did invite me to join. She was a bit tipsy and she did touch me several times in the right spot. We did exchange phone numbers and agreed to meet again. During the evening we did exchange some SMS. One of them she told she wants to eat me LOL.

Could be a gold digger but leaving on Tuesday afternoon I still want to try to meet her again for some fun. If she agrees I will post her pictures and phone number by personal message if it appears that she is only looking for customers.

Greetings,

Frits

[QUOTE=Fritsvanegter;1674214]Hello,

Today I was sitting in my usual coffee and cake shop in BKK. After a while a young pretty lady from Chiang rai did sit down at my table. She did tell me she did loose her job 2 months ago and will start working in that coffee shop next month. I did offer her a cake and we talked some time. After a while she did go inside again.

Some of her future co workers were eating inside and she did join them. They did invite me to join. She was a bit tipsy and she did touch me several times in the right spot. We did exchange phone numbers and agreed to meet again. During the evening we did exchange some SMS. One of them she told she wants to eat me LOL.

Could be a gold digger but leaving on Tuesday afternoon I still want to try to meet her again for some fun. If she agrees I will post her pictures and phone number by personal message if it appears that she is only looking for customers.

Greetings,

Frits[/QUOTE]No need to agonize whether she IS or isn't. Good girls don't grab your crotch. You guys want to believe!

[QUOTE=PrinceRaj2126;1673913]Great. But as far as I know all these apps (wechat, tango, skout, etc.) are real time and can only deal with these in finding people nearby when we are in Thailand.

How can we use them when we are still in our native land? Can you pass on which apps you used which we can use to start working on them before we land there?

Cheers[/QUOTE]Tango has this feature to search in different countries as well as the mobile version of Tagged. Skout has this feature as a free trial, and we chat has this feature if you shake your phone and a Thai person is shaking as well. For guys outside Thailand use Tango. For guys outside Thailand the actual idea is to get the ladies talking on a familiar platform that they use everyday. Web sites like Thai friendly and date in Asia only work when the ladies are online. Make first contact with them there. Then your only goal should be to get their Line I'd. Once you get that you will have instance access to them. Thai ladies live and die by this app. Now you can chat with them in real time for free and build that much needed rapport that we both have talked about on this forum. No sex talk or asking for naked photos in the beginning.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1673780]Let's hope so. It's guys like you that give all of us a bad name.[/QUOTE]What gives you a bad name is that you are a sex tourist. Or do you go to Thailand to feed the poor and help build bridges?

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Arrived about 2 weeks ago. Stayed for 10 days. I will try to give you my impression of what I saw and did in those days. I arrived and was quickly at the departure level. Taxi guy was offered 300 be and it was accepted. Off to Suklhumvet and my soi. It was 1:30 am so I thought I would check out the local discos. Bangkok Beat had a nice crowd with some decent material and live band. Moved on to Climax and it was crowded. Not really my style so after one drink I left. Found a massage place off soi 11 and the back pressure and tight mussels were taken care of nicely. After 27 hours it was now time to rest as tomorrow I would need to start checking out.

The places I was thinking of visiting.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1673785]Good to hear about your positive experience with the tourist police. I have a question though. I read either in a post here or maybe elsewhere that the tourist police either consisted of foreigners, or at least had a substantial number of them. This surprised me, and I'm skeptical that the Thai government would allow foreigners to serve in this capacity. Were the tourist police you dealt with Thais, foreigners, or both? And more generally, does anyone here know whether as a general matter the tourist police consist of Thais and / or foreigners?[/QUOTE]Everyone was thai and they just about scraped enough English together to write the report. But this was in rural nakhon sawan.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1674025]Candyland 2 was previously called Hot Lips, and may have been called Fantasia before that. Its not a Coyote bar. Its not naked, but many girls are topless. I know a hot girl who works there and another who used to work there. I don't specially go for the bar, but its only special girls that I like to visit occasionally. I did not notice any Coyote stuff according to what I expect Coyote to be. So I think that is unfare assessment, perhaps very out-dated.[/QUOTE]You are correct sir. I went by tonight and no coyotes. It did have a bunch when it was Hot Lips and a friend told me they did when he went 3 weeks ago but I think he was mistaken. Not a lot of talent but all available for barfines.

[QUOTE=Uwillu;1674347]What gives you a bad name is that you are a sex tourist. Or do you go to Thailand to feed the poor and help build bridges?[/QUOTE]Just for the record, many who participate on this forum are not sex tourists. They happen to be situated on business or as ex pats in locations where paid sex is readily available. Indeed, your "accusation" about me being a "sex tourist" is rather hilarious in that the last time I visited Thailand, I did not even partake in any sex but was there for other reasons (which is not to say that on other trips I haven't taken advantage of what is available). It is also hilarious given the forum you chose to make such an accusation in.

So, nice try Einstein. And just a word of advice. If you are going to threaten a hotel and then dump on it, it is probably best not to publicize this on a publicly viewable sex-based forum such as this one, given the hotel undoubtedly knows your name, address, and other information that could identify you. And this is especially true given that your initial post expressed concern about what the hotel might do to you in retaliation for the threats you made against them, a question that suggests you really pissed them off and they might want to retaliate.

Where is that coffee shop, and is she looking for customers? And do you have a picture?

[QUOTE=Fritsvanegter;1674214]Hello,

Today I was sitting in my usual coffee and cake shop in BKK. After a while a pretty lady from Chiang rai did sit down at my table. She did tell me she did loose her job 2 months ago and will start working in that coffee shop next month. I did offer her a cake and we talked some time. After a while she did go inside again.

Some of her future co workers were eating inside and she did join them. They did invite me to join. She was a bit tipsy and she did touch me several times in the right spot. We did exchange phone numbers and agreed to meet again. During the evening we did exchange some SMS. One of them she told she wants to eat me LOL.

Could be a gold digger but leaving on Tuesday afternoon I still want to try to meet her again for some fun. If she agrees I will post her pictures and phone number by personal message if it appears that she is only looking for customers.

Greetings,

Frits[/QUOTE]

Went to nana plaza. Rainbow 4. The barfine is still 600 thb and not 800 thb as reported before.

I was wondering if any of the soapy massage parlors offer multiple shots when take take 1-2 hrs or more or just one shot? What places offer more?

And the places that offer one shot go do you leave before time ends or they continue to massage till time ends?

[QUOTE=Uwillu;1674347]Or do you go to Thailand to feed the poor and help build bridges?[/QUOTE]I fucking love this reply. This is pure class, well done Uwillu, got my vote mate.

[QUOTE=Mackin;1674440]Arrived about 2 weeks ago. Stayed for 10 days. I will try to give you my impression of what I saw and did in those days. I arrived and was quickly at the departure level. Taxi guy was offered 300 be and it was accepted. .[/QUOTE]I am curious how you navigated the one-way gates that have been installed at departures between where the taxis arrive and the terminal.

I agree with LA guy. Sextourists is just a part of the "creme del a creme" people writing these sites. I find myself in a mix where I visit maby BKK 20+ time a year on average. I am not going here for any touristic purposes at all and actually never did. Even so I will admit in my first visit 8 years back I was doing an all in FL girls hunt so maby that made me a sex tourist. Latter years I found my BKK mongering a lot more divided and for the greater part I fill my time here going to regular Thai chicks hangouts and feast from a rather large build up fleet with all in regular Thai girls who never have and never will indulge themselves into the sex biz as they carry good jobs, live by themselves and don't have time for regular relationships. I do find it funny though occasionally to break this trend with some easy pickups at BKK's FL nightclub hangouts. Here I mostly meet semi pro (the difference between a FL and a semi pro I believe the semi pro is more choosy and only hit these places when in need of cash, or sth like that). But I do attend the "pay for sex" biz in almost all levels. Since I have GF back home I would never ever dream of not donating anything to the girls I boink (so they don't get any wrong ideas). There are at least two reasons for doing so. First is some girls knows a tad to much about me so they could if they would create trouble to me pestering me with FB msg and phone calls, sms and stuff like this which would affect my life back home (I've had a girl suddenly showed up in Oslo with a friend (and knowingly real name and everything it would be easy for her finding my address and actually showed up on my door, don't know how my GF would react to that one). I don't know if they would but to many of them I haven't told them I am occupied as in a relationship. Around 5 of them would probably get realy mad if they found out. It is not a question of paying them or not as they never ever asked a daim for me, it was all my fault starting this. Which brings me over to second reason which is it makes me in a way feel less guilty about my wrongdoings when I at least donate a few bhts after rompings over. If that was my goal I could have my sex time in BKK all for free but I won't.

I guess it all comes down to we are all horny pricks and we have various ways to cover up or how we walk the scenery in BKK. But if I am labeled as a sex tourist I can live with that as well.

Just curious. How many of you make video tapes of yourself having sex with these girls. Not photos like HSH but videoing it. I came across a VHS tape I made of myself I made back in the 90's. And looking at it now brings back memories of how good life was back then. I haven't made any since then as the novelty wore off. How about you guys.

Had the misfortune to be dragged into Rainbow 4 by a friend who was in town tonight. Jeez, what a horror show. The gals were just awful looking and the drinks outrageously priced. First time in about 2 yrs for that place. Just nothing good to say about it. Bad silicone jobs, horrible face work, almost felt like I was attending a circus sideshow.

Today I was able to confirm that coyotes are becoming regulars at nana plaza.

I checked both Mercury and Mandarin (upstair one). They both have two teams now, one gogo and one coyote team. Gogo Barfines are 600 THB, but coyotes are 1,500 THB.

It didn't seem to me that the coyotes were dancing better or were prettier. I guess it was difficult for these bars to retain enough girls.

Coyotes have a different uniforms than the gogo girls and the staff was very open about the difference between the two teams.

GK.

[QUOTE=Simian;1674788]I am curious how you navigated the one-way gates that have been installed at departures between where the taxis arrive and the terminal.[/QUOTE]Last time I went through, IIRC, they had been "broken" and they rotated both directions. TiT.

[QUOTE=Dynolas;1674708]I was wondering if any of the soapy massage parlors offer multiple shots when take take 1-2 hrs or more or just one shot? What places offer more?

And the places that offer one shot go do you leave before time ends or they continue to massage till time ends?[/QUOTE]As far as I know you only get one shot at all soapies.

[QUOTE=MerZues;1675151]As far as I know you only get one shot at all soapies.[/QUOTE]I've only ever had 2 shots or more, that said so far it's only been emmanuelle (a year ago) and Bamboo (yesterday).

Report on Bamboo. I was wandering around Nana / Asoke yesterday and I saw the big bamboo sign so on a whim I walked in and chose Yaya, I like the athletic build so she was perfect, normal stuff, shower making out and then not the best massage but in the other departments she was a real giver, great personality and smiled non stop.

First shot from sex in different positions, I didn't think I would finish a second time but we went at it again any way and after another 30 minutes of sex I was completely stuffed, but she didn't care and kept playing with me for another 20 minutes until I finally came again, it was like she was on a mission which I really appreciated.

For looks she would probably have to be your type as she was for me, for service highly recommended.

Based on a bad experience the day before I decided that unless the service was amazing I wouldn't be giving tips, the service was amazing but on top of that she didn't ask for a tip at all, so I gave her an extra 500 very worth it.

[QUOTE=MerZues;1675151]As far as I know you only get one shot at all soapies.[/QUOTE]Nope, at Annie's 2 shots are standard and even at Nataree when you negotiate beforehand 2 shots are possible. I posted a report on #40 some time ago.

As I did my travel and looking walks I checked a few of the go go places. I did this a number of times to see if I was not getting a wrong impression. Nana has not been my number one choice but I had a look. I remember one place was topless and the spankys and angelwitch were the same as they were before. The big thing.

Was the lack of customers in all the places. I don't go to the Rainbow joints so no comment on them. I then headed up to Cowboy. CH was busy with girls and guys. I noticed a lot of Japanese looking guys among the crowd. Many girls dancing, some naked. I then went to SW and it was not full by any means. I found an old friend.

DTom, and we talked. As it became show time the place filled up. I was set up with #23, Aor. She was average height and thin. Small chest but that is normal in my.

Opinion. Her performance was very nice and I would try her again if time had permitted. I don't remember if Syzygies with with me that night but we did have some.

Good times checking out the strip on at least one occasion. Funny part was that night I went to CH and SW I checked Baccara. Couldn't believe how empty it was.

Just stuck my head in and saw maybe 10 people on lower level. This was about 8:30 or 9. Not sure this is normal now?? Most of the places need customers. More.

Tomorrow.

[QUOTE=BkkMick;1675280]Nope, at Annie's 2 shots are standard and even at Nataree when you negotiate beforehand 2 shots are possible. I posted a report on #40 some time ago.[/QUOTE]My bad, didn't know you can do at Nataree. Great to know. Thanks for the intel.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1674641]Just for the record, many who participate on this forum are not sex tourists. They happen to be situated on business or as ex pats in locations where paid sex is readily available. Indeed, your "accusation" about me being a "sex tourist" is rather hilarious in that the last time I visited Thailand, I did not even partake in any sex but was there for other reasons (which is not to say that on other trips I haven't taken advantage of what is available). It is also hilarious given the forum you chose to make such an accusation in.

So, nice try Einstein. And just a word of advice. If you are going to threaten a hotel and then dump on it, it is probably best not to publicize this on a publicly viewable sex-based forum such as this one, given the hotel undoubtedly knows your name, address, and other information that could identify you. And this is especially true given that your initial post expressed concern about what the hotel might do to you in retaliation for the threats you made against them, a question that suggests you really pissed them off and they might want to retaliate.[/QUOTE]My point is this. I came to the forum to ask a question. I don't want to hear about you moral philosophy that makes you feel better. You somehow defend a hotel to justify what you do on the ground. I don't care. I'm willing to bet you have never stayed at the Dawin, but you just need to be heard. Fair enough.

Look, shit happens and sometimes you can't make a reservation. Does that really entitle the hotel to keep 30,000 + baht?

As a follow up, the Dawin did refund my money 100%. I have stayed there twice in the past, and I will again in the future. They are first class in my books as far as customer service goes.

[QUOTE=Uwillu;1675553]I don't want to hear about you moral philosophy that makes you feel better. [/QUOTE]Wise up, everybody does shit. Its because you sound like such a "peckerhead".

[QUOTE=Uwillu;1675553]My point is this. I came to the forum to ask a question. I don't want to hear about you moral philosophy that makes you feel better. You somehow defend a hotel to justify what you do on the ground. I don't care. I'm willing to bet you have never stayed at the Dawin, but you just need to be heard. Fair enough.

Look, shit happens and sometimes you can't make a reservation. Does that really entitle the hotel to keep 30,000 + baht?

As a follow up, the Dawin did refund my money 100%. I have stayed there twice in the past, and I will again in the future. They are first class in my books as far as customer service goes.[/QUOTE]You made no mentioned of a deposit 30,000 + baht in your original report! Maybe that is why you are getting negative and joking responses?

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1674945]Just curious. How many of you make video tapes of yourself having sex with these girls. Not photos like HSH but videoing it. I came across a VHS tape I made of myself I made back in the 90's. And looking at it now brings back memories of how good life was back then. I haven't made any since then as the novelty wore off. How about you guys.[/QUOTE]I do it but I almost never watch the films after and certainly won't publish them online. Some part is habit and some part security. It's like mutual assured destruction, if they claim assault I can show the video but will in turn get burned for making porn. I know what I would rather have a police report from though, sexual assault is not it.

At Annie's two hours two shots for 2500 Baht is standard.

[QUOTE=MerZues;1675151]As far as I know you only get one shot at all soapies.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Uwillu;1673365]I was booked at the Dawin. Had to change plans for work. The Dawin stated that I was booked for early bird promotion, and therefore unable to get a refund.[B] I told them that I would post a negative review on every booking site that uses the Dawin.[/B] After hearing this, they gave me 100% refund.

[B][U]Can a hotel like the Dawin affect immigration at the airport?[/U] I know hotel owners have power, but I really don't know what to do here. Will I get past Thai immigration after fighting and winning against a Thai hotel?[/B][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Uwillu;1675553]My point is this. I came to the forum to ask a question. I don't want to hear about you moral philosophy that makes you feel better. You somehow defend a hotel to justify what you do on the ground. I don't care. I'm willing to bet you have never stayed at the Dawin, but you just need to be heard. Fair enough.

Look, shit happens and sometimes you can't make a reservation. Does that really entitle the hotel to keep 30,000 + baht?

As a follow up, the Dawin did refund my money 100%. [B]I have stayed there twice in the past, and [U]I will again in the future.[/U][/B] [B]They are first class in my books as far as customer service goes.[/B][/QUOTE]You got to be kidding.

[QUOTE=Uwillu;1675553]My point is this. I came to the forum to ask a question. I don't want to hear about you moral philosophy that makes you feel better. You somehow defend a hotel to justify what you do on the ground. I don't care. I'm willing to bet you have never stayed at the Dawin, but you just need to be heard. Fair enough.

Look, shit happens and sometimes you can't make a reservation. Does that really entitle the hotel to keep 30,000 + baht?

As a follow up, the Dawin did refund my money 100%. I have stayed there twice in the past, and I will again in the future. They are first class in my books as far as customer service goes.[/QUOTE]30,000 Baht is a lot of money for a hotel. How long were you planning to stay?

Your statement about the hotel customer service being first class is also confusing to me. Didn't they say you weren't entitled to a refund because you booked under a promotion and the promotion didn't allow a refund? I would think that if you had to complain to get a refund, their customer service can't be that great.

If the promotion terms include a no refund policy, then you're not entitled to a refund. Threatening them in order to get them to reverse their policy just for you is really classless.

[QUOTE=Mackin;1675341]Good times checking out the strip on at least one occasion. Funny part was that night I went to CH and SW I checked Baccara. Couldn't believe how empty it was.

Just stuck my head in and saw maybe 10 people on lower level. This was about 8:30 or 9. Not sure this is normal now?? Most of the places need customers. More.Tomorrow.[/QUOTE]Hey Macklin. Last I saw you was Phnom Phen. I just got to BKK last night. Stopped at the good doctors. He said you had been by. I got to Cowboy just as everything was closing. Contacted my regular from Baccara and she says she paid to go home. Wonder why so slow. Last year around this time it was standing room only, both floors. I wonder if the fire had something to do with it or if the talent fled because they changed the pay structure. HM.

If you're still around let me know. If anyone else wants to grab a cold one.

Just trying to save you all some money: Visited Thigh Bar in Patpong, One dancer worthy of a bar fine. After wasting money on a ladydrink and tip, the mamasan insisted that barfine and money for services would be paid up-front before we head to my hotel. Um, that's not going to happen!

Dancer lost out on thousands of baht. Since they would not be reasonable, I left. Don't see much need for any of us to return to Thigh.

Happy hunting!

I had to leave last Saturday. Maybe some other time we can grab a beer. I had a few conversations with good Dr. Try the steamed sea bass. It is great, haaha. I can recommend #5 for that lasting memory. Letter F is cute but she is still learning. Still I wasn't dissatisfied. Enjoy your time in BKK. I am putting in more reports in different threads as I recover from the jet lag, in case you are interested.

Met up with Sysegies (spelling) and BKK mick one night. We took a small tour of cowboy. CH was again packed and Sys knew one of the girls. Cute and naked.

What a way to greet a person. We stayed a while and then moved on. After grabbing a bite to eat on the corner we looked into Doll house. Not a large crowd but it.

did have the naked girl requirement. Again, Sys knew one and she was happy to talk with him. I saw one I liked and almost called her down. Not a great lineup but.

there was some talent there. At that point BKKmick had to move home as a busy day was to follow and maybe some work that night. Sys decide he need to retry the lady he was sitting with so of
he went. I was alone so off to SW and see my friend Dtom. It turned out to be a fruitful time as a double was set up for Sunday evening. More on that later.

Again cowboy didn't have the crowds in the bars generally. Some were filled others were looking for customers. I would advise staying out of the little bars, toy, jungle jim and the other one. They have gone to a rip off style. 200 for LD which might have 1 ounce of coke and 2 ice cubes. That is crazy. Luckly I asked before. purchasing one.

[QUOTE=Mackin;1675784]Met up with Sysegies (spelling) and BKK mick one night. We took a small tour of cowboy. CH was again packed and Sys knew one of the girls. Cute and naked.

What a way to greet a person. We stayed a while and then moved on. After grabbing a bite to eat on the corner we looked into Doll house. Not a large crowd but it.

did have the naked girl requirement. Again, Sys knew one and she was happy to talk with him. I saw one I liked and almost called her down. Not a great lineup but.

there was some talent there. At that point BKKmick had to move home as a busy day was to follow and maybe some work that night. Sys decide he need to retry the lady he was sitting with so of
he went. I was alone so off to SW and see my friend Dtom. It turned out to be a fruitful time as a double was set up for Sunday evening. More on that later.

Again cowboy didn't have the crowds in the bars generally. Some were filled others were looking for customers. I would advise staying out of the little bars, toy, jungle jim and the other one. They have gone to a rip off style. 200 for LD which might have 1 ounce of coke and 2 ice cubes. That is crazy. Luckly I asked before. purchasing one.[/QUOTE]Baccarat are the same as well they want minimum 2 x lady drinks at 200 bht, then 600 BF and 2.5 k short time. On a happier note I met the cutest girl at Rawhide and had a great time.

[QUOTE=Mackin;1675784]
Again cowboy didn't have the crowds in the bars generally. Some were filled others were looking for customers. I would advise staying out of the little bars, toy, jungle jim and the other one. They have gone to a rip off style. 200 for LD which might have 1 ounce of coke and 2 ice cubes. That is crazy. Luckly I asked before. purchasing one.[/QUOTE]If you have an issue with LD's prices then you better avoid the ones in Pattaya too because in LK metro they are Bt 240 if I'm not wrong.

[QUOTE=Gorgon;1675613]I do it but I almost never watch the films after and certainly won't publish them online. Some part is habit and some part security. It's like mutual assured destruction, if they claim assault I can show the video but will in turn get burned for making porn. I know what I would rather have a police report from though, sexual assault is not it.[/QUOTE]I think you should relax more, luckily Thailand had no track record about prostitutes going very far with false accusations, neither about couples filming shags and being trialed for producing porn. On the opposite if you are caught by a woman secretly filming that is a lot more likely to cause an unpleasant moment.

Enthusiasts,

Please bear with me as I am typing this from the iPad.

Last night spent some time at Angelwitch. Got to love the girls in black suspenders and the excellent hard rock soundtrack. However paid 180 BHT for some rum and coke. Decent shows including a dude tied to the stage with five fillies dangling asses in his face to the sounds of the great late Joe Cocker. Got out of there after 1200 BHT in booze. Including one for mamasan. Some OK lookers. One real energetic piece that was fucking the pole hard to ACDC's shoot to thrill.

Then went to Mandarin. Lovely looking things. Please note Coyotes in full force (wear orange tops). And available at a price. Bar staff excellent. Other girls in white lingerie although not amazing looking very tight bodies. Did not partake.

More to come.

[QUOTE=NspectHerGadgt;1675753]Just trying to save you all some money: Visited Thigh Bar in Patpong, One dancer worthy of a bar fine. After wasting money on a ladydrink and tip, the mamasan insisted that barfine and money for services would be paid up-front before we head to my hotel. Um, that's not going to happen!

Dancer lost out on thousands of baht. Since they would not be reasonable, I left. Don't see much need for any of us to return to Thigh.

Happy hunting![/QUOTE]This does get a bit tricky. A couple of years ago I visited a go-go in Patpong called Pussy Galore (if I recall correctly); it was one of my only Patpong outings. There was a bargirl I wanted but like your experience payment had to be made to the Mama-san in advance, which seemed to be the standard procedure for that establishment given the pricing for a session was on the bar's menu. I decided to go ahead anyway, and ended up with a truly great session, which included cumming twice during a short-time session.

I generally do not like paying in advance, and I know many believe one then loses leverage and this will encourage a bad session. But I wonder whether as a general matter paying in advance versus at the end of a session matters as much as many think, particularly if payment in advance is the norm at a particular establishment. I'm rather agnostic about this so am not trying to support one view or the other, just curious what others have experienced in this regard.

On the other hand, if a girl asks for money in advance while working at a place where the norm is for payment to be made after the session, for me [I]that[/I] would raise a red flag. And I suppose if one is talking about a long-time session, there is a greater chance of getting a runner if one pays in advance. But for a short-time session, I'm less convinced it matters (which doesn't mean I'm saying it doesn't, just not so sure).

[QUOTE=Mallo123;1675864]Baccarat are the same as well they want minimum 2 x lady drinks at 200 bht, then 600 BF and 2.5 k short time. On a happier note I met the cutest girl at Rawhide and had a great time.[/QUOTE]That's just ridiculous money any way you count it.

Noticed on the walk home lots of Dark African things near McDonalds. Some very big busted maidens. Right to my taste.

Has anyone had a go?

[QUOTE=Mallo123;1675864]Baccarat are the same as well they want minimum 2 x lady drinks at 200 bht, then 600 BF and 2.5 k short time. On a happier note I met the cutest girl at Rawhide and had a great time.[/QUOTE]Phew! Over $100 USD and you still must pay for a room. This in insane. How much time is a "short time" these days?

[QUOTE=ShiftTab;1675713]30,000 Baht is a lot of money for a hotel. How long were you planning to stay?

Your statement about the hotel customer service being first class is also confusing to me. Didn't they say you weren't entitled to a refund because you booked under a promotion and the promotion didn't allow a refund? I would think that if you had to complain to get a refund, their customer service can't be that great.

If the promotion terms include a no refund policy, then you're not entitled to a refund. Threatening them in order to get them to reverse their policy just for you is really classless.[/QUOTE]I read the terms and conditions page that was right above where I clicked on "Book now. " There was nothing in the terms and conditions that said I couldn't cancel, or wasn't refundable. I only learned this after trying to cancel my reservation.

The hotel has now updated their terms and conditions page to say that conditions do apply for a refund. You are welcome.

So for everyone so quick to call me classless and even worse, I say since money and principal mean nothing to you, go to Baccarra and spend your 3,000 baht for 45 minutes of fame. Or Nataree where you can get a nice romantic condom blowjob for 2,700.

Me, I'm taking the $1,000 to the Philippines. Better honeys and less money.

LA Guy 5 (and I'm an LA Guy, too) you hit the nail on the head about advance payment. If a venue requires advance payment, I think it is ok to pay in advance for a short-time. LT is another story. These girls get jerked around by their customers and I understand the need for advance payment. I will pay in advance if that is the custom. I suspect the overwhelming majority of ISGers would never pay upfront. Up to them.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1676011]Phew! Over $100 USD and you still must pay for a room. This in insane. How much time is a "short time" these days?[/QUOTE]Does not include your drinks either. I would say by the time a punter has a few and takes a gal he is looking at 125- 150 USD for ST.

Its just gotten ridiculous and if you are every in Nana drinking near one of the ST hotels you can clock the STs. When we were there the average "couple" spent less than 30 min in the ST room. And of course that includes 2 showers. So you are talking about less than 10 min of action. I really am amazed that some gals have them lining up to spend this.

Got here late Wednesday night. The good Dr. Was kind enough to let me get a "take the edge off travel" BJ even though I got there at closing. Ran over to Cowboy to see if I could grab my regular from Baccara but everything was closed. I guess the police came through and made everyone close on time. SHIT! Texted her but she was already home. DOUBLE SHIT. No big, I needed some rest anyway. Sat at a street vendor out in front of the Sofitel and had a beer or few. Watched the talent walk by but nothing of interest. There was a PG girl that walked by but I wasn't sure she was working. Got drunk and went to bed. Thanks Paul K for the recommendation on the Sofitel. Top notch! In the states this would be $500 a night and the service nowhere as good.

Spent the day doing errands. Ate a nice dinner on Soi 38 and headed to Cowboy. Crazy House was crazy. Not very crowded compared to other times I have been there. Had a few drinks and moved on to Baccara. The first floor was packed but I like the second floor better anyways. Looks like they added another floor after the fire but I didn't scope it out. Sat down and ordered a drink. My regular saw me and she came by. We had a few drinks and I BF'd her. Two drink minimum and 600 B BF. Just like last year. ST is usually 2500-3000, LT 5000. You can probably bargain down a bit but that usually works to you disadvantage, or at least that's been my experience. My regular was very lackluster this time. I usually take her for the whole time I'm here but I guess I'll take a pass this time. Plenty of girls here.

There were many more SW along Sukhumvit than I remember in previous years. Lots sitting at the street cafes. Lots of Africans, I'm thinking maybe pimps. I don't usually pull from the street unless in Pattaya. Heard a few bad stories and I don't like drama. I'm a little on the type A side and I don't want to risk getting in the shit here.

I was talking to a guy from California. He'd been here for two weeks and he looked like hell. Reminded me why I limit or at least try to limit my drinking. He was telling me about Poseidon Massage. Says the girls on the 3rd floor are model types, good service but pricy. I don't mind pricy as long as the service is good. Anyone been there? Thoughts.

Been traveling for three weeks now. Enjoying this nice hotel and the food in BKK.

[QUOTE=Mackin;1675784]Again cowboy didn't have the crowds in the bars generally. Some were filled others were looking for customers. I would advise staying out of the little bars, toy, jungle jim and the other one. They have gone to a rip off style. 200 for LD which might have 1 ounce of coke and 2 ice cubes. That is crazy. Luckly I asked before. purchasing one.[/QUOTE]Why'd you care what is in the girl's LD? You are not paying for the alcohol but for the giirl's company.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1675714]Hey Macklin. Last I saw you was Phnom Phen. I just got to BKK last night. Stopped at the good doctors. He said you had been by. I got to Cowboy just as everything was closing. Contacted my regular from Baccara and she says she paid to go home. Wonder why so slow. Last year around this time it was standing room only, both floors. I wonder if the fire had something to do with it or if the talent fled because they changed the pay structure. HM.

If you're still around let me know. If anyone else wants to grab a cold one.[/QUOTE]What is the new pay structure at Baccara? Two girls I know who work there are at their hometowns for the next month. They didn't tell me why and I didn't ask, but waiting for them to return before I go to BKK again.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1675987]That's just ridiculous money any way you count it.[/QUOTE]I agree, especially for SE Asia. But there's no shortage of guys willing to spend it. The mainstream herd has already arrived and will continue to dump copious amounts of cash.

[QUOTE=TesterTester;1676120]What is the new pay structure at Baccara? Two girls I know who work there are at their hometowns for the next month. They didn't tell me why and I didn't ask, but waiting for them to return before I go to BKK again.[/QUOTE]No disrespect dude but if you had read past the first paragraph or sentence you would have seen exactly what you were looking for.

"Two drink minimum and 600 be BF. Just like last year. ST is usually 2500-3000, LT 5000. You can probably bargain down a bit but that usually works to you disadvantage, or at least that's been my experience. ".

I know this site isn't the easiest to search but this is a little ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1676171]I agree, especially for SE Asia. But there's no shortage of guys willing to spend it. The mainstream herd has already arrived and will continue to dump copious amounts of cash.[/QUOTE]I've probably been guilty of overpaying or not bargaining but yes it's getting ridiculous. In the states I can get an hour for about $200. The only advantage here is that you have 100's if not 1000's to pick from. The quality isn't assured in either location. Hit or miss at best. The times are changing around us. Asians from the more westernized countries like Japan and Korea throw money around like it's nothing. But I don't think they monger for the same reasons we do. You can still get laid reasonably in Vietnam, Cambodia, Philippines, Myanmar, and maybe Laos. I hear China is still relatively reasonable but a pain in the ass. It happened in Rio, is happening in Columbia and Costa Rica. So why fly 20 plus hours? I often ask myself. Probably because it's cold as hell back home. I like the culture and the vibe of Asia. I like to wonder.

Damn that's a price, 5 k. For that she had better be prepared to do something weird like letting me cum in her open eyes.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1676207]No disrespect dude but if you had read past the first paragraph or sentence you would have seen exactly what you were looking for.

"Two drink minimum and 600 be BF. Just like last year. ST is usually 2500-3000, LT 5000. You can probably bargain down a bit but that usually works to you disadvantage, or at least that's been my experience. ".

I know this site isn't the easiest to search but this is a little ridiculous.[/QUOTE]Oh. That's not a new compensation scheme. I thought you meant different compensation in terms of bar paying the girl her daily stipend or commission on her drinks or something along those lines.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1676210]I've probably been guilty of overpaying or not bargaining but yes it's getting ridiculous. In the states I can get an hour for about $200. The only advantage here is that you have 100's if not 1000's to pick from. The quality isn't assured in either location. Hit or miss at best. The times are changing around us. Asians from the more westernized countries like Japan and Korea throw money around like it's nothing. But I don't think they monger for the same reasons we do. You can still get laid reasonably in Vietnam, Cambodia, Philippines, Myanmar, and maybe Laos. I hear China is still relatively reasonable but a pain in the ass. It happened in Rio, is happening in Columbia and Costa Rica. So why fly 20 plus hours? I often ask myself. Probably because it's cold as hell back home. I like the culture and the vibe of Asia. I like to wonder.[/QUOTE]And my answer to question whether it is worth it or not is. No, if the trip is just for sex. I get much better quality locally, when I want rather than starve myself for months and travel around the planet for over indulgent non stop buffet for two weeks.

But it still seems OK if one can add sightseeing etc to the mix.

The golden age of cheap and quality pussy are well behind us.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1676171]I agree, especially for SE Asia. But there's no shortage of guys willing to spend it. The mainstream herd has already arrived and will continue to dump copious amounts of cash.[/QUOTE]Sadly you are correct. And as prices have gone up attitudes have as well (worsened that is). Give a poor Asian gal that kind of money and all of the sudden she is a legend in her own mind. But really she is just a the same as a gal from West Virginia but with all her teeth, slanty eyes, a flat nose, and yellow skin. Got that 6th grade "edumacation" as well. As my grandaddy used to say, "You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear. ".

[QUOTE=Margaya;1676263]And my answer to question whether it is worth it or not is. No, if the trip is just for sex. I get much better quality locally, when I want rather than starve myself for months and travel around the planet for over indulgent non stop buffet for two weeks.

But it still seems OK if one can add sightseeing etc to the mix.

The golden age of cheap and quality pussy are well behind us.[/QUOTE]I get good providers in the states. Mostly collage aged non-pros that just need to make a little to make ends meet. Usually an afternoon for a couple hundred. Very GFE and innocent. I have a young live in right now, double edged sword. Good pussy all the time but little opportunity to play unless sold as a threesome. So with all that in mind: why do we go? There are still a few countries where a deal can be had but I'm guessing that will change in the next decade. For me it's as much about getting out of dodge and the brutal weather. The food, sightseeing, pristine beaches. And of course sexual addiction can be a *****. .

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1676102]I was talking to a guy from California. He'd been here for two weeks and he looked like hell. Reminded me why I limit or at least try to limit my drinking. He was telling me about Poseidon Massage. Says the girls on the 3rd floor are model types, good service but pricy. I don't mind pricy as long as the service is good. Anyone been there? Thoughts.[/QUOTE]If he considers Poseidon good then Amsterdam, CopaCabana and Utopia must be off the charts good for him. For me most soapy services were slightly better than gogo girls last few months.

To answer your question I would say paying 200 Baht for one swallow of coke and one minute with a conversation long enough to say what is your name is not my
Idea of a girl sitting with me. But if you think it is, go for it. Just letting others know what's up if it is ok with you?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1676084]Does not include your drinks either. I would say by the time a punter has a few and takes a gal he is looking at 125- 150 USD for ST.

Its just gotten ridiculous and if you are every in Nana drinking near one of the ST hotels you can clock the STs. When we were there the average "couple" spent less than 30 min in the ST room. And of course that includes 2 showers. So you are talking about less than 10 min of action. I really am amazed that some gals have them lining up to spend this.[/QUOTE]That's why I now go to Tijuana for serious boinking, and Thailand for other things. The travel, the culture, the food, the easy access to other countries. $150/ half-hour is about double the most expensive places in Tijuana. And you have to fly 20-odd hours for the privilege.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1676102]There were many more SW along Sukhumvit than I remember in previous years. Lots sitting at the street cafes.[/QUOTE]The streetwalkers have generally been chased from the NPL and the Suk 3/5 bus stop. One SW lady I know has moved to near the Holly Coffee on Suk Soi 15. So yeah I would agree that (after dark) on Suk from T21 to a little past the Sofitel has seen an increase in the FL scene.

SL.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1676414]The streetwalkers have generally been chased from the NPL and the Suk 3/5 bus stop. One SW lady I know has moved to near the Holly Coffee on Suk Soi 15. So yeah I would agree that (after dark) on Suk from T21 to a little past the Sofitel has seen an increase in the FL scene.

SL.[/QUOTE]In June and November from east of the Sofitel to the Asoke intersection I saw many FLs, especially on the sidewalk outside of Thermae. Very late they congregate around the food stands and popup bars along that stretch. Also many on the sidewalk on the east side of Asoke north of Sukhumvit and along Sukhumvit to Soi 23. As I was staying at the Sofitel and went out in the wee hours to grab some food, I had many opportunities to observe.

[QUOTE=Mackin;1676386]To answer your question I would say paying 200 Baht for one swallow of coke and one minute with a conversation long enough to say what is your name is not my Idea of a girl sitting with me. But if you think it is, go for it. Just letting others know what's up if it is ok with you?[/QUOTE]I'm fine with it, Mackin.

Perhaps you misunderstood me but when I offer an LD to an agogo girl, I get at least 15 to 30 minutes of talking (and usually more than talking) out of her. It allows me to gauge the chemistry between us and is generally fun to do. Whether she is drinking alcohol or colored water is the least of my concerns. I wouldn't know where else in the world you get to fondle and grope a SYT for such a low price.

Mongers,

After walking up and down Sukhumvit Road yesterday I finally gave up on Cherry Tree. Could not find the soi. I know I was right near it, however I like to find places on my own as it adds more to the worth for me, had too many San Mig's to have anyone take me seriously anyway if I was to ask for directions.

I DID however spend some time with the ladies at Eden. Oh yeah. Good times.

Report to follow soon.

Also went to Patpong last night. Very interesting after my last hit out 17 years ago.

Full details of campaign also to follow.

[QUOTE=Mackin;1676386]To answer your question I would say paying 200 Baht for one swallow of coke and one minute with a conversation long enough to say what is your name is not my
Idea of a girl sitting with me. But if you think it is, go for it. Just letting others know what's up if it is ok with you?[/QUOTE]Its all pretty sad really. Let's just look at some numbers. In 2000 the Baht was over 40, a beer in Cowboy was 80 baht (as was a lady drink), BF was 400 Baht in Cowboy, and ST was 1 k Baht. So you go out have three beers, a couple of lady drinks, BF, and screw. Your damage; 45 USD. A great deal, and why most of us chose to make the horrid fligth to come here and why many of us chose to move here. Fast forward to today and you are looking at three times that. Now how many things in your life are you paying three times the amount for now than you did in '00? Very few. The prices in BKK have gotten out of hand.

And drink prices exceed those in the US. There are BKK bars now (no GoGos) that are charging over 400 baht for a cocktail. Those are NYC, Paris, Tokyo prices, but you nowhere near get the quality of life or quality for money that you get in those cities.

BKK was a great place. It had a "decent" quality of life for very little money. Sadly it still has "decent" quality of life but for twice and sometimes three times the price. Hey, I still love the food here, but would I choose this as my home now? Probably not.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1676395]That's why I now go to Tijuana for serious boinking, and Thailand for other things. The travel, the culture, the food, the easy access to other countries. $150/ half-hour is about double the most expensive places in Tijuana. And you have to fly 20-odd hours for the privilege.[/QUOTE]Which is why I will make a trip to San Diego and Tijuana next time I am in the states. The appeal of great weather has more and more of a pull as I near 50!

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1676419]I'm fine with it, Mackin.

Perhaps you misunderstood me but when I offer an LD to an agogo girl, I get at least 15 to 30 minutes of talking (and usually more than talking) out of her. It allows me to gauge the chemistry between us and is generally fun to do. Whether she is drinking alcohol or colored water is the least of my concerns. I wouldn't know where else in the world you get to fondle and grope a SYT for such a low price.[/QUOTE]Baccara is strict on how long the girls sit. Best you get is 5-10 minutes and they are back on the stage.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1676470]Which is why I will make a trip to San Diego and Tijuana next time I am in the states. The appeal of great weather has more and more of a pull as I near 50![/QUOTE]I'm with ya on that. I'll probably make at least one more trip to Asia. Few there countries I'd like to see. Not necessarily for mongering. I do like the Philippines but realistically it's a dump in a lot of respects.

Went to this establishment that caters to Japanese and there are an abundance of really good lookers here. I approached a gal, didn't even bring up prices and she said no. On another night, a gal from this place said yes but she said st was 2500 the and LT was 5000 baht. I passed.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1676477]I'm with ya on that. I'll probably make at least one more trip to Asia. Few there countries I'd like to see. Not necessarily for mongering. I do like the Philippines but realistically it's a dump in a lot of respects.[/QUOTE]More and more Thailand will become the playground of Asian men, and I think we will be less and less welcome. The PI is a hole of epic proportions. Sadly, it is one of the few nations where we Americans are still quite liked.

[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1676418]In June and November from east of the Sofitel to the Asoke intersection I saw many FLs, especially on the sidewalk outside of Thermae. Very late they congregate around the food stands and popup bars along that stretch. Also many on the sidewalk on the east side of Asoke north of Sukhumvit and along Sukhumvit to Soi 23. As I was staying at the Sofitel and went out in the wee hours to grab some food, I had many opportunities to observe.[/QUOTE]Your observation is opposite of what I saw few months back. Freelancers were down by huge percentage and the quality, well lets not even talk about it.

My idea of a WG is someone who I want to have sex with in the first place. She has to exceed my minimum standard and obviously quite pretty, well looking. Then there is chemistry, language and all that good stuff. All I saw was horrible fuglies.

Soi 33 was dead last night. Its a Japanese catered area and full of massage parlors. I saw Honeys ball massage, didn't do it.

Went over to Soi 22, much better area, small bars, more girls, better atmosphere.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1676497]Went to this establishment that caters to Japanese and there are an abundance of really good lookers here. I approached a gal, didn't even bring up prices and she said no. On another night, a gal from this place said yes but she said st was 2500 the and LT was 5000 baht. I passed.[/QUOTE]I see more and more of this. Apparently if a girl is seen leaving with caucasian her status drops in the eyes of the Koreans and Japanese. I'm also guessing that they pay more, are less demanding, and done faster than your typical caucasian. No wonder the girls like Asian guys.

Went last night. Had a few drinks. Picked K and S from the lineup. Great time. I would highly recommend either of these girls. Individually or together. Very nice technique individually and even better together.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1676510]More and more Thailand will become the playground of Asian men, and I think we will be less and less welcome. The PI is a hole of epic proportions. Sadly, it is one of the few nations where we Americans are still quite liked.[/QUOTE]Sad but true. The Philippines has beautiful nature, weather and beaches. The women are beautiful. The food is so-so. Not Thai good, but good enough.

The problem is that it's so dirt poor. The Asian gains seen in the 80's, 90's, and 2000's by Vietnam, Singapore, Japan, Korean, China, and others just never happened in the Philippines. To this day, their best export is their own people to work in other countries as laborers and nannies.

But its still a great country to visit if you can dodge the landmines of corrupt police, pickpocket kids, crazy men who will abduct you for ransom, random violence by locals, and dishonest women.

[QUOTE=Omigawd;1676514]Your observation is opposite of what I saw few months back. Freelancers were down by huge percentage and the quality, well lets not even talk about it.

My idea of a WG is someone who I want to have sex with in the first place. She has to exceed my minimum standard and obviously quite pretty, well looking. Then there is chemistry, language and all that good stuff. All I saw was horrible fuglies.[/QUOTE]Late at night the number of freelancers on Sukhumvit can be deceiving. First of all many of them are Ladyboys. Many of them are Africans. Many of the cute ones you see sitting at a roadside bar are staff and not willing to go. Also many of them are just getting a bite to eat with a customer or friends after getting out of the gogos or other work establishments and are not necessarily available but are not freelancers in the true sense. Most of those girls you see outside of Thermae are girls who work in Thermae and are out to get a bite to eat or a smoke and have no interest in you if you are not Japanese. It changes from night to night, but my best guess is that on a typical night the number of female Thai freelancers on Sukhumvit from soi 3 to Asoke is around 30 at best. Maybe 10 between soi 3 and soi 5 (who all get driven out by the Africans and the bars late at night), another 10 or so around Sofitel to the Thermae and then a few others around Robinsons. And the number of those that are attractive would be close to zero by most standards.

[QUOTE=Omigawd;1676514]Your observation is opposite of what I saw few months back. Freelancers were down by huge percentage and the quality, well lets not even talk about it.

My idea of a WG is someone who I want to have sex with in the first place. She has to exceed my minimum standard and obviously quite pretty, well looking. Then there is chemistry, language and all that good stuff. All I saw was horrible fuglies.[/QUOTE]Several weeks ago I first mentioned this in a post.

I was out between 2 am and 4 am about half a dozen times. On average I saw a few dozen FLs. Many were sitting at food stalls and popup bars. Most were average at best. A few were above average. I wouldn't describe any as very attractive. Earlier in the evening, from about 9 pm until about midnight I would see a dozen or so girls congregating on the sidewalk in front of Thermae. Most of these were above average to quite attractive, though their hair, makeup and overall appearance appeared to be designed to appeal to Japanese men. I saw considerably more FLs along this stretch of sidewalk in November than in June.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1676527]Late at night the number of freelancers on Sukhumvit can be deceiving. First of all many of them are Ladyboys. Many of them are Africans. Many of the cute ones you see sitting at a roadside bar are staff and not willing to go. Also many of them are just getting a bite to eat with a customer or friends after getting out of the gogos or other work establishments and are not necessarily available but are not freelancers in the true sense. Most of those girls you see outside of Thermae are girls who work in Thermae and are out to get a bite to eat or a smoke and have no interest in you if you are not Japanese. It changes from night to night, but my best guess is that on a typical night the number of female Thai freelancers on Sukhumvit from soi 3 to Asoke is around 30 at best. Maybe 10 between soi 3 and soi 5 (who all get driven out by the Africans and the bars late at night), another 10 or so around Sofitel to the Thermae and then a few others around Robinsons. And the number of those that are attractive would be close to zero by most standards.[/QUOTE]I would estimate fewer than 10% of the FLs I saw were ladyboys, and I'm pretty good at spotting them. I saw African ladies west of the Sofitel, but very few on the east side. I wouldn't attempt to estimate how many of the ladies were looking for a customer, but on walks back from Soi Cowboy to the Sofitel after 2 am on average about half a dozen ladies would make a verbal solicitation and another dozen would make their intentions clear with eye contact.

My impressions are based on a relatively smaller number of observations over a few weeks on two occasions separated by a few months. Hardly enough to estimate what is typical. I'm sure you have a much better sense of what is typical.

It seemed to me from about 9 to 11 most of the ladies hanging outside of Thermae were taking a break and not looking for a customer; however, generally one or two would give me an inviting look. Later at night, at or shortly after closing, there might be a dozen ladies hanging out there. About half were earnestly looking for a customer and took great interest in me. I would describe most of these ladies as attractive, though not necessarily made up to suit my tastes. I've also mentioned in reports about my June and November trip that on several occasions I went inside Thermae. On every occasion it was crowded; most of the ladies were oblivious of me; but on every occasion about a dozen or so ladies, half of whom I'd describe as attractive, immediately looked at me and smiled. Most of the men in Thermae appeared to be Japanese. The vast majority of the ladies appeared to be only interested in these men. However, on every occasion, had I wished, I could have picked up any one of several attractive ladies.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1676527]Late at night the number of freelancers on Sukhumvit can be deceiving. First of all many of them are Ladyboys. Many of them are Africans. Many of the cute ones you see sitting at a roadside bar are staff and not willing to go. Also many of them are just getting a bite to eat with a customer or friends after getting out of the gogos or other work establishments and are not necessarily available but are not freelancers in the true sense. Most of those girls you see outside of Thermae are girls who work in Thermae and are out to get a bite to eat or a smoke and have no interest in you if you are not Japanese. It changes from night to night, but my best guess is that on a typical night the number of female Thai freelancers on Sukhumvit from soi 3 to Asoke is around 30 at best. Maybe 10 between soi 3 and soi 5 (who all get driven out by the Africans and the bars late at night), another 10 or so around Sofitel to the Thermae and then a few others around Robinsons. And the number of those that are attractive would be close to zero by most standards.[/QUOTE]Compared to 5 years ago the numbers are down at least 50%. Compared to 10 years ago, even more. In the early 2000's you could not make it 20 meters down Suk after 10 pm without hearing, "Go with you? Go with you?" The decrease is astounding. Also the numbers in the BG and other FL establishments are way down. Thermae still has lots of gals but a large percentage will shun us round-eyes.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1676468]Its all pretty sad really. Let's just look at some numbers. In 2000 the Baht was over 40, a beer in Cowboy was 80 baht (as was a lady drink), BF was 400 Baht in Cowboy, and ST was 1 k Baht. So you go out have three beers, a couple of lady drinks, BF, and screw. Your damage; 45 USD. A great deal, and why most of us chose to make the horrid fligth to come here and why many of us chose to move here. Fast forward to today and you are looking at three times that. Now how many things in your life are you paying three times the amount for now than you did in '00? Very few. The prices in BKK have gotten out of hand.

And drink prices exceed those in the US. There are BKK bars now (no GoGos) that are charging over 400 baht for a cocktail. Those are NYC, Paris, Tokyo prices, but you nowhere near get the quality of life or quality for money that you get in those cities.

BKK was a great place. It had a "decent" quality of life for very little money. Sadly it still has "decent" quality of life but for twice and sometimes three times the price. Hey, I still love the food here, but would I choose this as my home now? Probably not.[/QUOTE]Oh, and don't forget the cost of the airfare.

Cocktails? Now you've found a pet peeve. If you think 400 is bad, try Skybar. Last time I went it was 600 for the absolute worst mojito I've ever had. My gripe is that I have yet to find a Thai bartender who knows a single malt from a single-edged razorblade. And it seems the more "high class" the bar, the more incompetent the bartender. Maybe 3 years ago I walked into a nice Suk hotel (forgot the name), went to the bar and ordered a Daiquiri, straight up. I got rum and sour mix. And I paid over 300 baht for the privilege. Dayum!! If I'm going to pay LA prices I want LA quality.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1676582]Oh, and don't forget the cost of the airfare.

Cocktails? Now you've found a pet peeve. If you think 400 is bad, try Skybar. Last time I went it was 600 for the absolute worst mojito I've ever had. My gripe is that I have yet to find a Thai bartender who knows a single malt from a single-edged razorblade. And it seems the more "high class" the bar, the more incompetent the bartender. Maybe 3 years ago I walked into a nice Suk hotel (forgot the name), went to the bar and ordered a Daiquiri, straight up. I got rum and sour mix. And I paid over 300 baht for the privilege. Dayum!! If I'm going to pay LA prices I want LA quality.[/QUOTE]Exactly. This ain't LA or NYC. And FFS people don't make near the money folks do in the US, so it is ludicrous that prices should be anywhere near those cities. To be fair there are a few bars that mix really good cocktails here; but you are really paying for that privilege and they are filled with YUDs (young urban douchebags) and YADs (young Asian douchebags).

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1676115]Why'd you care what is in the girl's LD? You are not paying for the alcohol but for the giirl's company.[/QUOTE]+1 I don't care what they drink and I don't want them too drunk either.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1676527]Late at night the number of freelancers on Sukhumvit can be deceiving. First of all many of them are Ladyboys. Many of them are Africans. Many of the cute ones you see sitting at a roadside bar are staff and not willing to go. Also many of them are just getting a bite to eat with a customer or friends after getting out of the gogos or other work establishments and are not necessarily available but are not freelancers in the true sense. Most of those girls you see outside of Thermae are girls who work in Thermae and are out to get a bite to eat or a smoke and have no interest in you if you are not Japanese. It changes from night to night, but my best guess is that on a typical night the number of female Thai freelancers on Sukhumvit from soi 3 to Asoke is around 30 at best. Maybe 10 between soi 3 and soi 5 (who all get driven out by the Africans and the bars late at night), another 10 or so around Sofitel to the Thermae and then a few others around Robinsons. And the number of those that are attractive would be close to zero by most standards.[/QUOTE]Got here Thursday in the morning. Like 12:30 am. There were probably 20 girls from the Sofitel and Soi 7/1. Last night hardly a one. I don't think there is anything "usual" here. Maybe the cops or business owners move them around. Who knows!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1676599]Exactly. This ain't LA or NYC. And FFS people don't make near the money folks do in the US, so it is ludicrous that prices should be anywhere near those cities. To be fair there are a few bars that mix really good cocktails here; but you are really paying for that privilege and they are filled with YUDs (young urban douchebags) and YADs (young Asian douchebags).[/QUOTE]I spent a night drinking in HCMC at the Chill Skybar. I could have gotten drunk cheaper in NYC. Yet there were plenty of gringos spending their money with some HOT ass Vietnamese women.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1676643]I spent a night drinking in HCMC at the Chill Skybar. I could have gotten drunk cheaper in NYC. Yet there were plenty of gringos spending their money with some HOT ass Vietnamese women.[/QUOTE]Lots of hot Thai chicks with the YADs. They do love their money. The jigs up and the secret is out. So prices high in HCMC as well, eh? Times they are a changing.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1676582]
Cocktails? Now you've found a pet peeve. If you think 400 is bad, try Skybar. Last time I went it was 600 for the absolute worst mojito I've ever had. [[/QUOTE]Over priced, yes. As a venue, I found it a bit overrated, despite having highly desirable company. It was quite windy up there, when I attended recently, and the view was not that special. Did not get a very good view from a normal seating position, I found. Maybe I failed to have the very best seats. I have found other rooftop high bars with a very decent view and much better prices. Just being the highest is not that special. Slightly lower can give better views. Can't see myself motivated to go a second time, unless a stunning girl really wants it.

Even Baiyoke Sky Hotel has pretty decent city lights views from some guest rooms. Also Column Hotel near Sukhumvit.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1676527]It changes from night to night, but my best guess is that on a typical night the number of female Thai freelancers on Sukhumvit from soi 3 to Asoke is around 30 at best. Maybe 10 between soi 3 and soi 5 (who all get driven out by the Africans and the bars late at night), another 10 or so around Sofitel to the Thermae and then a few others around Robinsons. And the number of those that are attractive would be close to zero by most standards.[/QUOTE]Good observation. That stretch of lower Sukhumwit is deceivingly busy that I kept walking around often for years after the supply dried up.

The street looks long, bustling and potentially promising but the actual numbers of Thai freelancers are small (estimate of about 30 +/- 20 sounds correct). The ones that are passable are usually veterans who were around 8-10 years ago and still kept their looks, but only occasionally venture out these days.

A massive change over 5-10 years ago when there was always well over a 100 Thai freelancers on lower Sukhumwit at any time, some of them so good looking that I had to double back and ask them if they're working or just there by some accident. 1000 baht was the going rate and many were in no hurry to leave. I wouldn't mind prices doubling or even tripling if the selection and service remained similar... but there days that stretch no longer worthwhile except for people watching.

These days, the cheap Thai streetwalker areas (WW22 and Khlong Lot) actually have better numbers than Sukhumwit, although the service is abysmal (always has been), and there isn't even token friendliness: walk 10 paces behind to the ST hotel, stick it in, jiggle, gtfo.

[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1676554]I would estimate fewer than 10% of the FLs I saw were ladyboys, and I'm pretty good at spotting them. I saw African ladies west of the Sofitel, but very few on the east side. I wouldn't attempt to estimate how many of the ladies were looking for a customer, but on walks back from Soi Cowboy to the Sofitel after 2 am on average about half a dozen ladies would make a verbal solicitation and another dozen would make their intentions clear with eye contact.
[/QUOTE]I hardly even notice the street walkers anymore if in the area. They are not my scene. Very few stunners, if any, and many LBs. A stunner would certainly make me stop and take notice, but doesn't happen any more. I certainly would not try to guess the percentage of LBs since I just don't really pay enough attention, but I suspect well over 10% (a very low number indeed. Surely underexaggeration). Certainly a lot in vicinity very close to Nana. Used to be many nearly all the way to Asoke really, and even some on other side of Asoke. Maybe there is difference in behaviour. Seated ladies are more likely to be real ladies than those standing, I guess.

In the old days, if they came at me, I would always dodge and avoid, fearing mistaking a LB for a normal girl, and assuming the LBs were the aggressive ones.

I did not pay attention to African and other foreign ladies either. They were not special looking.

I feel like DRRonin is much closer to the mark on this topic.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1676476]Baccara is strict on how long the girls sit. Best you get is 5-10 minutes and they are back on the stage.[/QUOTE]So Baccara is a crappy bar IMHO. I don't even like very many of the plastic girls.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1676468]BKK was a great place. It had a "decent" quality of life for very little money. Sadly it still has "decent" quality of life but for twice and sometimes three times the price. Hey, I still love the food here, but would I choose this as my home now? Probably not.[/QUOTE]Outside of the mongering scene, Bangkok is still a good deal with decent quality of life, albeit not as inexpensive as it once was. Sure, many things doubled in price and some tripled, but they started off ridiculously low there was some inflation in all other places too. Long term expats generally anchor to prices back home at the time they left, disregarding a fact that they double as well.

Price-wise, Bangkok is now in the ballpark (bit cheaper, but rising) with 3rd tier cities in Europe and the USA, but is still a 1st tier mega-city with most of the benefits. Sadly, the freelancer scene has been crap since about 2010 now. Not exactly dead, just lively and busy enough to maintain some hope, but not to satisfy.

The last 3 nights I have gone to the park where the Uni girls hang out.

They need cash for their tuition.

Tight and horny.

1000 be.

Heading out now to find another.

Tango and wechat. Some pics / profiles show up with numbers and suggestive invitations. Scams or what is the hooker protocol for these apps? Looking for starved matures or compensated dating so not really in to romancing collage girls.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1676723]I hardly even notice the street walkers anymore if in the area.

I certainly would not try to guess the percentage of LBs since I just don't really pay enough attention, but I suspect well over 10% (a very low number indeed. Surely underexaggeration).

I feel like DRRonin is much closer to the mark on this topic.[/QUOTE]

Nor am I interested in picking up FLs. I do like to observe people. I think we're in agreement on numbers. I say a few dozen, 24-36. Others are saying 20 to 30. I'm including the stretches along the east side of Asoke between Sukhumvit and Soi Cowboy. I'm very confident in my estimates of lady boys, no more than one in ten. People overestimate unusual low frequency events. It is to be expected that most casual observers will overestimate the numbers of lady boys. There has been some excellent research on this subject. Kahneman & Tversky did pioneering research on this subject. I first became aware of it in the late 1980's. A simplified explanation is that people make the ridiculous assumption that their observations are unbiased samples of events. Nothing could be further from the truth. Infrequent events are more likely to catch our attention, as do unusual events. Lady boys are unusual and make up a fairly small percentage of the population so when we see a few they catch our attention and we think they are far more numerous than they really are. There is a plethora of empirical research on this topic.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1676730]Outside of the mongering scene, Bangkok is still a good deal with decent quality of life, albeit not as inexpensive as it once was. Sure, many things doubled in price and some tripled, but they started off ridiculously low there was some inflation in all other places too. Long term expats generally anchor to prices back home at the time they left, disregarding a fact that they double as well.

Price-wise, Bangkok is now in the ballpark (bit cheaper, but rising) with 3rd tier cities in Europe and the USA, but is still a 1st tier mega-city with most of the benefits. Sadly, the freelancer scene has been crap since about 2010 now. Not exactly dead, just lively and busy enough to maintain some hope, but not to satisfy.[/QUOTE]Prices back in TX have not accelerated at the rate that have in BKK. Mind you, BKK is still a great place for wonderful local food at very reasonable prices. But the multitude of "gastro-pubs" and other trendy eateries has definitely altered the price landscape of BKK. But if you want to eat good Western food, you can still get better deals in the US, and imported foods, forget it. Even when the baht was at its strongest we did not get a break on imports. Rents are still pretty good here as well. What has gone up in price the most? Alcohol and women. A horrid local beer in the supermarket is more than a good craft beer back in the US.

Agree with you completely about the FL scene. It seems it really died after the flood in '11. Gals left and never came back.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1676713]Over priced, yes. As a venue, I found it a bit overrated, despite having highly desirable company. It was quite windy up there, when I attended recently, and the view was not that special. Did not get a very good view from a normal seating position, I found. Maybe I failed to have the very best seats. I have found other rooftop high bars with a very decent view and much better prices. Just being the highest is not that special. Slightly lower can give better views. Can't see myself motivated to go a second time, unless a stunning girl really wants it.

Even Baiyoke Sky Hotel has pretty decent city lights views from some guest rooms. Also Column Hotel near Sukhumvit.[/QUOTE]The very best view from the State Tower Skybar is at night, up against the back rail overlooking the river. The day view ain't shabby, either. But anywhere else, especially seated in the eating part, isn't that spectacular. And the wait service is extremely spotty. Yet the food prices are quite high.

It was a "better" place (using the term loosely) before Hangover II. Then it got absolutely mobbed with tourists, the bar at night was 3 and 4 deep, what little quality the cocktails had before went out the window as said tourists fought over the privilege to pay $20 US for a drink. The last time I was there was to please a sort of blind date I had. But to go back on my own volition? Forget it!

but as has been pointed out it is cheaper than major cities in North America and Western Europe. Prices have risen in Bangkok and a US dollar no longer gets you forty-plus bahts. However, the favorable exchange rate was an aberration. Hotels are much cheaper in Bangkok, especially the high-end hotels. As FruitNinga recently pointed out a hotel in a first tier city in the USA comparable to the Sofitel would cost $500 a night. You can buy good street food for less than fast food in the USA; and high-end restaurants are much less expensive than comparable restaurants in the USA. For example, I have been to Zuma in Miami, Florida and Bangkok several times. The food, beverages, service and ambiance are comparable. But I spend less than half as much at the Zuma in Bangkok. The biggest difference is in the cost and quality of sex. A couple of weeks ago I went to a popular club in Miami. I spent several hours there, had several JW Blacks, bought a few drinks for a couple of the dancers. Had a good steak dinner and spent a couple hours in a backroom with a very attractive dancer. The room was comfortable but had no bed or shower, just a very large sofa. The lady was very attractive, in my opinion. I've attached three of many photos I've taken of her to illustrate what I consider attractive. She's twenty years old and wears a wrist band identifying her as too young to drink alcohol. I've been with this lady before; I was one of her first clients in the fall; and we've developed a good rapport. The first time with her was typical. Once we were in the backroom she was cold and mercenary. Though she claimed I was one of the first men to take her into a back room and she was nervous. Because of our relationship now the sex is much better than average for this type of venue in Miami. Still there was no DFK, and there was a CBJ and FS. In comparisons, every girl I've been with in Bangkok over the past two or three years provided a better sexual experience. As for cost, I got to use the private room for an additional half hour without being charged, and the girl gave me about 40% off the going rate at this club. The evening still ended up costing me over two thousand dollars.

I understand guys who have been living in Bangkok for a decade or more find the rising costs upsetting, if not downright painful. And it can be argued the costs in other cities are irrelevant if you are living in Bangkok. But if you weren't living in Bangkok, where would you live? Can you find a cheaper city offering as much as Bangkok? Depending on what you are looking for, that may not be so easy. If one is traveling from North America, a short stay is hard to justify. But if you're able to stay several weeks, Bangkok is a very reasonably priced place to monger.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1676726]So Baccara is a crappy bar IMHO. I don't even like very many of the plastic girls.[/QUOTE]Syz, I still think its probably the best bar in BKK as far as talent. I never s do the first floor. I like the second floor. There's now a third floor but I've not been. But we all like a different look.

I went to Nataree tonight with a local. Although it was 99% Asian punters I managed to snag a great girl. Very nice time and reasonable compared to gogos. I think between that and Dr BJ's I'm happy.

Natare had about 70 girls. The fishbowl girls were 2 K the other better looking girls were 2600. Don't know if I got lucky but I had a great experience. The local I was with had a good time as well. We're going again tomorrow. These will be my new regular places. I think I'm done with the gogos other than maybe to have a drink and look at scantily clad girls.

Next door to Nataree was a club called Emanuale. Looked huge. We stopped for a drink. Don't waste your time. Got a few good comments about Poseidon. Will take a peek tomorrow and see if its legit.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1676723]I hardly even notice the street walkers anymore if in the area. They are not my scene. Very few stunners, if any, and many LBs. A stunner would certainly make me stop and take notice, but doesn't happen any more. I certainly would not try to guess the percentage of LBs since I just don't really pay enough attention, but I suspect well over 10% (a very low number indeed. Surely underexaggeration). Certainly a lot in vicinity very close to Nana. Used to be many nearly all the way to Asoke really, and even some on other side of Asoke. Maybe there is difference in behaviour. Seated ladies are more likely to be real ladies than those standing, I guess.

In the old days, if they came at me, I would always dodge and avoid, fearing mistaking a LB for a normal girl, and assuming the LBs were the aggressive ones.

I did not pay attention to African and other foreign ladies either. They were not special looking.

I feel like DRRonin is much closer to the mark on this topic.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I'm not interested in either Africans or SWs. But there are those that do like that scene. It's 2 am and I just walked from Nana to Soi 15. Maybe 5 girls total. As I said before I think it's as random as people are random.

As much as BKK has gotten ridiculous as far as pricing I'll still be back next year. There's a lot of options to explore.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1676818]Natare had about 70 girls. The fishbowl girls were 2 K the other better looking girls were 2600. Don't know if I got lucky but I had a great experience. The local I was with had a good time as well.[/QUOTE]I've always had a good experience with the girls at Nataree. They're young, pretty and not very experienced, so don't expect a PSE, but if you go in with the right attitude and make it fun for the girl, you can have a very good time. I approach the girl like I'm dealing with a young teen in the USA, though the last time I was with a young teen, I was also a young teen and had no idea what I was doing. ;) Now that the rooms have been refurbished I think Nataree is well worth a visit.

Which door do you go in through? The one on the north side or south side of the building?

Mongers,

My time at Eden was great, although structured these gals have the proceed down part.

Great rimming, fantastic cock sucking and nice lesbo action.

Ladies a little older and some flab rolls, but overall good for me.

Would give the total experience a 6.5 to 7.

Loved getting my cock sucked BBBJ whilst ladies one was doing ladies 2 whilst moaning. I came buckets and lady 2 commented on how much she had in her hands.

Also went really hard on Lady 1's asshole.

I noticed she had tears in her eyes. Man I really did fuck her deep whilst Lady 2 gave my asshole a tongue bath.

Got to love this amazing place.

[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1676833]I've always had a good experience with the girls at Nataree. They're young, pretty and not very experienced, so don't expect a PSE, but if you go in with the right attitude and make it fun for the girl, you can have a very good time. I approach the girl like I'm dealing with a young teen in the USA, though the last time I was with a young teen, I was also a young teen and had no idea what I was doing. ;) Now that the rooms have been refurbished I think Nataree is well worth a visit.

Which door do you go in through? The one on the north side or south side of the building?[/QUOTE]Paul,

I went into the North door. The first one coming from the MRT stop. After I was done I couldn't help but checking out the other door. What a difference. Day and night. Both in quality and quantity of girls.

One of the papasans "cowboy" thin, maybe early 60's was pretty animated. Joked with him a lot. I think that will go a long way in helping pick the better providers.

I'm done with the gogos. As I said between Nataree and Dr BJ's I'm set. Watching a little soccer last night I met a guy from South Africa. Says the women are amazing and available in both versions. Pay and free. Hmm. You ever been to South Africa?

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1676889]Paul,

I went into the North door. The first one coming from the MRT stop. After I was done I couldn't help but checking out the other door. What a difference. Day and night. Both in quality and quantity of girls.

One of the papasans "cowboy" thin, maybe early 60's was pretty animated. Joked with him a lot. I think that will go a long way in helping pick the better providers.

I'm done with the gogos. As I said between Nataree and Dr BJ's I'm set. Watching a little soccer last night I met a guy from South Africa. Says the women are amazing and available in both versions. Pay and free. Hmm. You ever been to South Africa?[/QUOTE]I like what is on the other side of both doors.

I've never been to South Africa.

[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1676808]but as has been pointed out it is cheaper than major cities in North America and Western Europe. Prices have risen in Bangkok and a US dollar no longer gets you forty-plus bahts. However, the favorable exchange rate was an aberration. Hotels are much cheaper in Bangkok, especially the high-end hotels. As FruitNinga recently pointed out a hotel in a first tier city in the USA comparable to the Sofitel would cost $500 a night. You can buy good street food for less than fast food in the USA; and high-end restaurants are much less expensive than comparable restaurants in the USA. For example, I have been to Zuma in Miami, Florida and Bangkok several times. The food, beverages, service and ambiance are comparable. But I spend less than half as much at the Zuma in Bangkok. The biggest difference is in the cost and quality of sex. A couple of weeks ago I went to a popular club in Miami. I spent several hours there, had several JW Blacks, bought a few drinks for a couple of the dancers. Had a good steak dinner and spent a couple hours in a backroom with a very attractive dancer. The room was comfortable but had no bed or shower, just a very large sofa. The lady was very attractive, in my opinion. I've attached three of many photos I've taken of her to illustrate what I consider attractive. She's twenty years old and wears a wrist band identifying her as too young to drink alcohol. I've been with this lady before; I was one of her first clients in the fall; and we've developed a good rapport. The first time with her was typical. Once we were in the backroom she was cold and mercenary. Though she claimed I was one of the first men to take her into a back room and she was nervous. Because of our relationship now the sex is much better than average for this type of venue in Miami. Still there was no DFK, and there was a CBJ and FS. In comparisons, every girl I've been with in Bangkok over the past two or three years provided a better sexual experience. As for cost, I got to use the private room for an additional half hour without being charged, and the girl gave me about 40% off the going rate at this club. The evening still ended up costing me over two thousand dollars.

I understand guys who have been living in Bangkok for a decade or more find the rising costs upsetting, if not downright painful. And it can be argued the costs in other cities are irrelevant if you are living in Bangkok. But if you weren't living in Bangkok, where would you live? Can you find a cheaper city offering as much as Bangkok? Depending on what you are looking for, that may not be so easy. If one is traveling from North America, a short stay is hard to justify. But if you're able to stay several weeks, Bangkok is a very reasonably priced place to monger.[/QUOTE]Paul, I would say that girl is uber-hot. Way better than most anything that I see in BKK that is available to farangs. I think that mongering in the US is not really the answer, but for those in North America there are closer and cheaper options that don't have the stress of jet lag. Tijuana for those in CA provides a very close option. Phord can tell you all about it. For those in TX that don't mind a little risk there are gems in border towns, more so now that most dudes are scared to go. Costa Rica, the DR, and Colombia all provide good options without flying half way around the world. In my hometown there are AMPS and it is about 140 USD.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1676756]The last 3 nights I have gone to the park where the Uni girls hang out.

They need cash for their tuition.

Tight and horny.

1000 be.

Heading out now to find another.[/QUOTE]Which park is that? Please enlighten us.

[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1676808]
Can you find a cheaper city offering as much as Bangkok? Depending on what you are looking for, that may not be so easy. If one is traveling from North America, a short stay is hard to justify. But if you're able to stay several weeks, Bangkok is a very reasonably priced place to monger.[/QUOTE]I think Mexico City would fill the bill. Only slightly smaller than BKK, loads of women starting around $18 for a 20+ minute quickie, up to $75+ for an hour. Lots of freelance action available for longer times and better hourly rates. Knock-out street food (albeit not quite in the same league as Thailand). First-class restaurants and clubs are also available.

Assuming this web site is correct, here's a comparison between the two cities. DF scores better in all areas except restaurant prices.

[URL]http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Thailand&country2=Mexico&city1=Bangkok&city2=Mexico[/URL]+City.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1676947]I think Mexico City would fill the bill. Only slightly smaller than BKK, loads of women starting around $18 for a 20+ minute quickie, up to $75+ for an hour. Lots of freelance action available for longer times and better hourly rates. Knock-out street food (albeit not quite in the same league as Thailand). First-class restaurants and clubs are also available.

Assuming this web site is correct, here's a comparison between the two cities. DF scores better in all areas except restaurant prices.

[URL]http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Thailand&country2=Mexico&city1=Bangkok&city2=Mexico[/URL]+City.[/QUOTE]I love Mexico but not so much Mexico City, the city is much bigger than Bangkok and can be very dangerous while Bangkok is safe. Also in winter considering that is 2300 meters high can be quite cold.

And I never found $18 ladies available. It must be something new, maybe is because I have not been there recently.

Paul,

Do I really see a "no prostitution" sign in the background of the third photo?

That's an other reason to go to Bangkok (or South East Asia in general): far less hypocrisy in all things sexual.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1676913]Which park is that? Please enlighten us.[/QUOTE]Yes if Luvpuss didn't have over 1000 posts I would assume he was on drugs. A park with Uni girls for 1000 baht? Is that the same park that has the 72 virgins waiting for Jihadists? I hope none of these girls are majoring in economics because they have to be the stupidest girls in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1676980]Paul,

Do I really see a "no prostitution" sign in the background of the third photo?

That's an other reason to go to Bangkok (or South East Asia in general): far less hypocrisy in all things sexual.[/QUOTE]That is what the sign says. That's why I included that particular photo. It's ridiculous. You are absolutely right about the attitudes being better in SE Asia. It shows up in the performance of the ladies, which is much better in Bangkok.

I have been to Poseidon a couple of times. But the best has been Nataree where you have good service and options, but rooms are a bit run down.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1676102]Got here late Wednesday night. The good Dr. Was kind enough to let me get a "take the edge off travel" BJ even though I got there at closing. Ran over to Cowboy to see if I could grab my regular from Baccara but everything was closed. I guess the police came through and made everyone close on time. SHIT! Texted her but she was already home. DOUBLE SHIT. No big, I needed some rest anyway. Sat at a street vendor out in front of the Sofitel and had a beer or few. Watched the talent walk by but nothing of interest. There was a PG girl that walked by but I wasn't sure she was working. Got drunk and went to bed. Thanks Paul K for the recommendation on the Sofitel. Top notch! In the states this would be $500 a night and the service nowhere as good.

Spent the day doing errands. Ate a nice dinner on Soi 38 and headed to Cowboy. Crazy House was crazy. Not very crowded compared to other times I have been there. Had a few drinks and moved on to Baccara. The first floor was packed but I like the second floor better anyways. Looks like they added another floor after the fire but I didn't scope it out. Sat down and ordered a drink. My regular saw me and she came by. We had a few drinks and I BF'd her. Two drink minimum and 600 B BF. Just like last year. ST is usually 2500-3000, LT 5000. You can probably bargain down a bit but that usually works to you disadvantage, or at least that's been my experience. My regular was very lackluster this time. I usually take her for the whole time I'm here but I guess I'll take a pass this time. Plenty of girls here.

There were many more SW along Sukhumvit than I remember in previous years. Lots sitting at the street cafes. Lots of Africans, I'm thinking maybe pimps. I don't usually pull from the street unless in Pattaya. Heard a few bad stories and I don't like drama. I'm a little on the type A side and I don't want to risk getting in the shit here.

I was talking to a guy from California. He'd been here for two weeks and he looked like hell. Reminded me why I limit or at least try to limit my drinking. He was telling me about Poseidon Massage. Says the girls on the 3rd floor are model types, good service but pricy. I don't mind pricy as long as the service is good. Anyone been there? Thoughts.

Been traveling for three weeks now. Enjoying this nice hotel and the food in BKK.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1676896]Paul, I would say that girl is uber-hot. Way better than most anything that I see in BKK that is available to farangs. I think that mongering in the US is not really the answer, but for those in North America there are closer and cheaper options that don't have the stress of jet lag. Tijuana for those in CA provides a very close option. Phord can tell you all about it. For those in TX that don't mind a little risk there are gems in border towns, more so now that most dudes are scared to go. Costa Rica, the DR, and Colombia all provide good options without flying half way around the world. In my hometown there are AMPS and it is about 140 USD.[/QUOTE]Yes, she is hot. And of course English is her first language. And there many more girls as hot or hotter here in SE Florida. This babe want's me to take her out (outside of the club) one Saturday night. She says she's been in Miami for about 4 months and has never done that. She's from a little town in Texas so a night out in a city like Miami would be special. She'd want more than what I paid her that night, but I could get her for the same amount. Still by the time I paid for everything it would set me back as much as that night, US $2000 - 3000. I'm confident the sex would be pretty good, finally. But damn that's a lot of money to spend for a few hours of partying and a couple hours of fucking.

I have a Cuban friend my age here who raves about Medellin. Of course he's fluent in Spanish, or at least Cuban as my Colombian friends say. ;) Even though I don't speak Spanish he still thinks if I went I'd have a good time and would have no problem finding plenty of hot woman. It would be a much faster and easier trip. And there is a Medellin thread on ISG. One of these days I'll give it a try.

Visited Patpong 2 why-day evening. Spent most my time in Electric Blue. Being disappointed on Soi Cowboy, Crazy House perhaps excluded, I was pleasantly surprised to find at least 3 really good-looking young slim girls. Not only good-looking and sexy, they were also enjoying dancing and having fun. You can't say that of most girls and places. Not pushy for LD either. LDs are 180. Barfine for category 1 (red tops) are 1200,700 for the fatter white-top girls. 2500ST + 600 for nearby hotel.

LT or taking back to your own hotel not possible, officially.

Best go-go I found this trip!

Also had a look inside Strip and Bada Bing, they are just next door but they looked just like any other BKK place to me.

[QUOTE=Flyte137;1677084]I have been to Poseidon a couple of times. But the best has been Nataree where you have good service and options, but rooms are a bit run down.[/QUOTE]They were run down for years, but sometime before June 2014 they were remodeled and are now quite nice.

Hey thanks for the update. Was in Bkk in Dec 14 but did not visit any soapies during that trip. I happened to meet a Colombian in a disco who kept me busy and also went back to Oilies for some good action. I will be back in 2 months and would certainly visit Nataree as I have seen some of the best ones there.

[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1677093]They were run down for years, but sometime before June 2014 they were remodeled and are now quite nice.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1676947]I think Mexico City would fill the bill. Only slightly smaller than BKK, loads of women starting around $18 for a 20+ minute quickie, up to $75+ for an hour. Lots of freelance action available for longer times and better hourly rates. Knock-out street food (albeit not quite in the same league as Thailand). First-class restaurants and clubs are also available.

Assuming this web site is correct, here's a comparison between the two cities. DF scores better in all areas except restaurant prices.

[URL]http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Thailand&country2=Mexico&city1=Bangkok&city2=Mexico[/URL]+City.[/QUOTE]I hope its kosher to post this price comparison site for the cost pf P4P worldwide which I found few weeks ago, If not please delete.

Prices in BKK & Thailand can be compared to other cities, then you need to factor other costs to get the overall picture.

[URL]http://www.havocscope.com/black-market-prices/prostitution-prices/[/URL]

Here is a link for mongers thinking of doing the mongering trip to BKK.

[URL]http://www.thailandredcat.com/the-different-types-and-costs-of-hookers-in-thailand/[/URL]

Click dollar figure to see original post and source information. Prices that was submitted by users is listed as such.

But as we all know Prices are not set in stone.

[QUOTE=Flyte137;1677096]Hey thanks for the update. Was in Bkk in Dec 14 but did not visit any soapies during that trip. I happened to meet a Colombian in a disco who kept me busy and also went back to Oilies for some good action. I will be back in 2 months and would certainly visit Nataree as I have seen some of the best ones there.[/QUOTE]You may already be aware of this but there are two entrances. Through the entrance on the north side of the building are ladies with good massage skills. They tend to me older and fairly attractive. The south entrance is where you enter to find the cute young girls Nataree is famous for. I think you'll like the new rooms.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1676947]I think Mexico City would fill the bill. Only slightly smaller than BKK, loads of women starting around $18 for a 20+ minute quickie, up to $75+ for an hour. Lots of freelance action available for longer times and better hourly rates.[/QUOTE]Cherry-picking can slant comparisons.

There is still poon available in Bangkok for 300-600 baht ($10-$20) for a 20+ minute quickie in Thai low-end areas (Wong Wian 22, Khlong Tom), but the problem is that's nobody's idea of fun. Then, you can get an oily like Tulip for 2100 ($70) for 1. 5 h with very high service standards (PSE, A+, multiple pops).

The problem is that the Bangkok scene in general has soured, with scant selection (of mostly bad lookers), disappearing freelancers scene, and high asking prices. It's easy to get laid, the service can be decent occasionally, but it's just not really fun anymore.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1676896]Paul, I would say that girl is uber-hot. Way better than most anything that I see in BKK that is available to farangs. I think that mongering in the US is not really the answer, but for those in North America there are closer and cheaper options that don't have the stress of jet lag. Tijuana for those in CA provides a very close option. Phord can tell you all about it. For those in TX that don't mind a little risk there are gems in border towns, more so now that most dudes are scared to go. Costa Rica, the DR, and Colombia all provide good options without flying half way around the world. In my hometown there are AMPS and it is about 140 USD.[/QUOTE]Agree with the overall assessment on looks of the ladies and lack of value in Bangkok (with the exception of select places like BJ bars) -- someone recently posted about a great night at a go go where they were lucky enough to find 3 (good looking women in a gogo who were nice enough to give out a half hour of their time in a dirty short time hotel for $132. There are better prices in many places, including throughout South America and many places in Asia that aren't nearly as popular for farangs (yet?) but also in other parts of the LOS beyond the capital.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1677209]Cherry-picking can slant comparisons.

There is still poon available in Bangkok for 300-600 baht ($10-$20) for a 20+ minute quickie in Thai low-end areas (Wong Wian 22, Khlong Tom), but the problem is that's nobody's idea of fun. Then, you can get an oily like Tulip for 2100 ($70) for 1. 5 h with very high service standards (PSE, A+, multiple pops).

The problem is that the Bangkok scene in general has soured, with scant selection (of mostly bad lookers), disappearing freelancers scene, and high asking prices. It's easy to get laid, the service can be decent occasionally, but it's just not really fun anymore.[/QUOTE]Yes, agreed. The sanuk factor seems to all but have dried up. Just not much fun anymore.

I tried not to cherry-pick, but no matter how hard one tries it's difficult to do a completely apples-to-apples comparison of any two places. Paul asked if one could find a cheaper city than BKK with as much to offer. DF had a population of around 9 million, is very "cosmopolitan," has infrastructure and mass transit, a relatively robust economy, and available women. The $20 quickies are not my idea of fun, but they are an order of magnitude better than their Thai equivalent. Mexico's not noted for its massages, but pretty Latinas abound, both in bars and online, for prices very reasonable to what Thailand has become.

The food is different, but great. The weather, well, it's different. Not swampy like BKK, but much colder. There are better places in Mexico, certainly, but DF is "reasonably" equivalent to BKK, and cheaper.

[QUOTE=Jojosun;1677103]I hope its kosher to post this price comparison site for the cost pf P4P worldwide which I found few weeks ago, If not please delete.

Prices in BKK & Thailand can be compared to other cities, then you need to factor other costs to get the overall picture.

[URL]http://www.havocscope.com/black-market-prices/prostitution-prices/[/URL]

Here is a link for mongers thinking of doing the mongering trip to BKK.

[URL]http://www.thailandredcat.com/the-different-types-and-costs-of-hookers-in-thailand/[/URL]

Click dollar figure to see original post and source information. Prices that was submitted by users is listed as such.

But as we all know Prices are not set in stone.[/QUOTE]Well, that does it! I'm off to Bangladesh. $0. 60? Can't beat that!

But, seriously, those prices seem all over the map. Some look reasonable, others wildly inflated, others, like the virgins and minors, just idiotic. But it did make for an interesting read. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1677269]I tried not to cherry-pick, but no matter how hard one tries it's difficult to do a completely apples-to-apples comparison of any two places. Paul asked if one could find a cheaper city than BKK with as much to offer. DF had a population of around 9 million, is very "cosmopolitan," has infrastructure and mass transit, a relatively robust economy, and available women. The $20 quickies are not my idea of fun, but they are an order of magnitude better than their Thai equivalent. Mexico's not noted for its massages, but pretty Latinas abound, both in bars and online, for prices very reasonable to what Thailand has become. The food is different, but great. The weather, well, it's different. Not swampy like BKK, but much colder. There are better places in Mexico, certainly, but DF is "reasonably" equivalent to BKK, and cheaper.[/QUOTE]The problem with Mexico City is that there is no equivalent to the Thai go-go's, the German FKKs, or the Brazilian termas. I'm also not aware of any internationally well-known bars, clubs, or hotels in DF where working girls go to ply their trade. There could be a good MP scene, but I haven't investigated that yet. Of course, there is Tijuana, but Tijuana is no where on par with places like Bangkok, Rio de Janeiro, or Berlin (or even Frankfurt). Sure, for an American you don't have to travel half way around the world to get there. But, you get what you pay for. And with Tijuana, that's a city with a tiny P4P scene in comparison that's far, far removed from being anywhere near a world-class vacation destination. Yeah, if you live where it's convenient to get to it cool. But, nobody is going to convince me that Tijuana is just as good as Bangkok! Just looking at sheer choice and options alone, especially when you add in Pattaya and Phuket, Tijuana is a big loser on that count! I enjoyed Tijuana for what it is, but it can't compete favorably overall with with top-tier mongering destinations like Thailand, Brazil, and Germany! The one area where it seems to me that Mexico can compete is in the call girl scene. This is not what I prefer though. I want to go out to music, naked dancing, dining, drinking, and selecting my choices "live". I enjoy the social, in-your-face aspect of mongering in certain places, and I like to see what I'm getting before she shows up at my door. That puts a stop to "baiting and switching", and it allows you to see if you have any chemistry with the girl at all.

[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1677136]You may already be aware of this but there are two entrances. Through the entrance on the north side of the building are ladies with good massage skills. They tend to me older and fairly attractive. The south entrance is where you enter to find the cute young girls Nataree is famous for. I think you'll like the new rooms.[/QUOTE]Question: Can you reach both venues by going in either door?

[QUOTE=TheCane;1677298]The problem with Mexico City is that there is no equivalent to the Thai go-go's, the German FKKs, or the Brazilian termas. I'm also not aware of any internationally well-known bars, clubs, or hotels in DF where working girls go to ply their trade. There could be a good MP scene, but I haven't investigated that yet. Of course, there is Tijuana, but Tijuana is no where on par with places like Bangkok, Rio de Janeiro, or Berlin (or even Frankfurt). Sure, for an American you don't have to travel half way around the world to get there. But, you get what you pay for. And with Tijuana, that's a city with a tiny P4P scene in comparison that's far, far removed from being anywhere near a world-class vacation destination. Yeah, if you live where it's convenient to get to it cool. But, nobody is going to convince me that Tijuana is just as good as Bangkok! Just looking at sheer choice and options alone, especially when you add in Pattaya and Phuket, Tijuana is a big loser on that count! I enjoyed Tijuana for what it is, but it can't compete favorably overall with with top-tier mongering destinations like Thailand, Brazil, and Germany! The one area where it seems to me that Mexico can compete is in the call girl scene. This is not what I prefer though. I want to go out to music, naked dancing, dining, drinking, and selecting my choices "live". I enjoy the social, in-your-face aspect of mongering in certain places, and I like to see what I'm getting before she shows up at my door. That puts a stop to "baiting and switching", and it allows you to see if you have any chemistry with the girl at all.[/QUOTE]I agree with your statement about Mexico, but not your "baiting and switching" in Thailand. I lost count of the girls in Bangkok that agreed to my terms but only reveal they are on their period after we get to the hotel. Or their phone rings when they get back to my room because their girlfriend is sick and they can only do a blowjob and go. Or they get to the hotel, have stomach pain from food they ate earlier so they have to go, but ask for 300 baht for taxi.

This is Thailand, everyone wants to scam you. For bars, fewer customers mean raising the drink prices and barfines. For girls, fewer customers mean raising the price.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1677209]The problem is that the Bangkok scene in general has soured, with scant selection (of mostly bad lookers), disappearing freelancers scene, and high asking prices. It's easy to get laid, the service can be decent occasionally, but it's just not really fun anymore.[/QUOTE]Spot on. Its just not fun anymore and there are far fewer working girls.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1677341]Question: Can you reach both venues by going in either door?[/QUOTE]No, each door takes you to a separate large room with a fishbowl and ladies sitting in chairs. You could go through one door take a look; then leave go through the other door and take another look; then decide which you preferred. Be prepared to have the papasan on each side try to persuade you that the girls on his side are better than the ones on the other side.

[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1677366]No, each door takes you to a separate large room with a fishbowl and ladies sitting in chairs. You could go through one door take a look; then leave go through the other door and take another look; then decide which you preferred. Be prepared to have the papasan on each side try to persuade you that the girls on his side are better than the ones on the other side.[/QUOTE]There is also a door between the two sections, around where the rest rooms are. I have always wondered though what the relationship between the two sections is. They almost seem like different businesses and I generally have ignored the fishbowl in the room to the left. Are they owned by the same person or group? And is there any reason one might prefer the girls in the room to the left (when I've looked, they seemed sub-standard in looks, whereas the room on the right is known for having lookers; but maybe the girls on the left are performers?

Edit: I now see Paul you provided the answers to most of my above questions in an earlier post (that I did not see before). Thanks.

Simple post. Have been meaning to go to Eden for the very first time, but don't feel like spending the money. Had a bit of time and a bit of money, and decided to go for a simpler solution: [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s.

Made a choice as I walked in, and caught the girl a bit by surprise. No idea her name or number, sorry. Shoulder length hair, nice tits but not huge, guessing about 24. Sweet, not much English.

Pants off, get a cleaning. She started the blow without taking her top off, then I took my shirt off (didn't want to risk getting wayward cum on it), and she took hers off. Nice tits, a good handful. Good technique. Let her tits brush against my palms as she sucked me. Didn't last too long, shot it all in her mouth, she took every drop. Was in and out probably in 20 minutes. 800 fee, gave her 200 as a tip. A good value (US $25), and they open at 8 am! Imagine stopping in for a blow on the way to work.

Will try Dr. BJ's tomorrow to compare.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1677417]There is also a door between the two sections, around where the rest rooms are. I have always wondered though what the relationship between the two sections is. They almost seem like different businesses and I generally have ignored the fishbowl in the room to the left. Are they owned by the same person or group? And is there any reason one might prefer the girls in the room to the left (when I've looked, they seemed sub-standard in looks, whereas the room on the right is known for having lookers; but maybe the girls on the left are performers?

Edit: I now see Paul you provided the answers to most of my above questions in an earlier post (that I did not see before). Thanks.[/QUOTE]As to your question about ownership, as the story goes, Nataree is run by a Thai-Chinese mob; and they bring down a lot of young girls from Chiang Rai which is in the Golden Triangle, the far north where Burma, Thailand and Laos converge and not far from China.

So women don't get naked in BJ bars and we are not allowed to grope?

Also do you have any idea if CIM in 69 position is a possibility?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Intransit;1677579]Pants off, get a cleaning. She started the blow without taking her top off, then I took my shirt off (didn't want to risk getting wayward cum on it), and she took hers off. Nice tits, a good handful. Good technique. Let her tits brush against my palms as she sucked me. Didn't last too long, shot it all in her mouth, she took every drop. Was in and out probably in 20 minutes. 800 fee, gave her 200 as a tip. A good value (US $25), and they open at 8 am! Imagine stopping in for a blow on the way to work.

Will try Dr. BJ's tomorrow to compare.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Uwillu;1677354]I agree with your statement about Mexico, but not your "baiting and switching" in Thailand. I lost count of the girls in Bangkok that agreed to my terms but only reveal they are on their period after we get to the hotel. Or their phone rings when they get back to my room because their girlfriend is sick and they can only do a blowjob and go. Or they get to the hotel, have stomach pain from food they ate earlier so they have to go, but ask for 300 baht for taxi.

This is Thailand, everyone wants to scam you. For bars, fewer customers mean raising the drink prices and barfines. For girls, fewer customers mean raising the price.[/QUOTE]Just returned from BKK, in agreement with your writings. My recent trip to BKK had the same negatives with the FL, s. I find works best for me to avoid the problems you mention, is to stick with the oilys and the soapies. Especially the soapies because talking with the chicas, I do not think the chicas are as free to move around as the oily girls. Possibly the chicas are under contract with the soapies whereas not so much with the oilys. I have deducted this with conversations with chicas working in both types of places. My point being the soapy chicas are more prone to wanting to have you leave happy and satisfied so you would not complain to the mamasan. Highly recommend the soapy Colonze 2 , but only after 3. 30 pm for lots of chicas. When you find a diamond then you can book for 1 pm or 2 pm appointment a fresh rose.

[QUOTE=TheCane;1677298]The problem with Mexico City is that there is no equivalent to the Thai go-go's, the German FKKs, or the Brazilian termas. I'm also not aware of any internationally well-known bars, clubs, or hotels in DF where working girls go to ply their trade. There could be a good MP scene, but I haven't investigated that yet. Of course, there is Tijuana, but Tijuana is no where on par with places like Bangkok, Rio de Janeiro, or Berlin (or even Frankfurt). Sure, for an American you don't have to travel half way around the world to get there. But, you get what you pay for. And with Tijuana, that's a city with a tiny P4P scene in comparison that's far, far removed from being anywhere near a world-class vacation destination. Yeah, if you live where it's convenient to get to it cool. But, nobody is going to convince me that Tijuana is just as good as Bangkok! Just looking at sheer choice and options alone, especially when you add in Pattaya and Phuket, Tijuana is a big loser on that count! I enjoyed Tijuana for what it is, but it can't compete favorably overall with with top-tier mongering destinations like Thailand, Brazil, and Germany! The one area where it seems to me that Mexico can compete is in the call girl scene. This is not what I prefer though. I want to go out to music, naked dancing, dining, drinking, and selecting my choices "live". I enjoy the social, in-your-face aspect of mongering in certain places, and I like to see what I'm getting before she shows up at my door. That puts a stop to "baiting and switching", and it allows you to see if you have any chemistry with the girl at all.[/QUOTE]DF certainly has strip clubs and clubs where ladies are available to dance with, chat up, etc. , etc. As you've not been yet, I think you may have unrealistic expectations of what the BKK go-go scene has become. There is no "dancing" in any meaningful sense (with some exceptions), there is very little nudity (again, there are exceptions but these days it's not the norm), and, as many others have pointed out, the pricing schemes, "sick friend" scams, etc. , make the scene far less enjoyable than it once was and, far too often, you don't get what you pay for. This is no longer the pre-Purachai era, when a go-go bar was a wild den of debauchery, with naked women everywhere.

As a long-time Thailand uber-fan, I must say that the level of service in Tijuana now tends to surpass that of BKK. And that's a sorry state of affairs, indeed.

But more to the point, the OP asked for a similar place to BKK. DF's scene is certainly not identical to BKK. No place is. Latins roll differently than Asians or Gringos. But the scene is certainly robust, overall the pricing structure is cheaper, DF has all the modern conveniences of a big city, as does BKK. So, the point is that there are "equivalents" to BKK. One may prefer Asia over Mexico, certainly. But the days of BKK being a premier sex tourist destination (I. E. Loads of pretty girls, good value for money, lots of fun, etc.) are coming to a close. You may not like it, but the freelancer / call girl scene seems to be taking over BKK, too.

[QUOTE=Uwillu;1677354]I agree with your statement about Mexico, but not your "baiting and switching" in Thailand. I lost count of the girls in Bangkok that agreed to my terms but only reveal they are on their period after we get to the hotel. Or their phone rings when they get back to my room because their girlfriend is sick and they can only do a blowjob and go. Or they get to the hotel, have stomach pain from food they ate earlier so they have to go, but ask for 300 baht for taxi. This is Thailand, everyone wants to scam you. For bars, fewer customers mean raising the drink prices and barfines. For girls, fewer customers mean raising the price.[/QUOTE]I believe you misunderstood me. I was talking specifically about the call girl or escort scene in particular. I don't partake in that scene anywhere in the world because of the "bait and switch". You think one girl is going to show up, but somebody else shows up. Or, it's the same girl but 10 years older or something. And you have no good way to judge chemistry before a call girl shows up at your door. That's what I was talking about, and that can happen in Thailand just like anywhere else. Of course, you can run into a scam anywhere right? But, I don't get scammed or disappointed by arranging for "escorts" via telephone or the internet. Because I just don't do that. Anywhere. And speaking now to Phordphan, I have never had unrealistic expectations for any place I have ever visited before. That's because I do my research and know exactly what to expect. I'm going to love Bangkok far, far more than Tijuana! I'm going for both the mongering and more. And Bangkok (plus Phuket and Pattaya) are both going to offer a lot more that interests me as a tourist than Tijuana ever will! At least in my lifetime LOL!

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1677647]As a long-time Thailand uber-fan, I must say that the level of service in Tijuana now tends to surpass that of BKK. And that's a sorry state of affairs, indeed.[/QUOTE]Really? Where are you finding girls for long time P4P in Tijuana? And where are you taking them?

They can but not all will. I could have easily squeezed her tits during the act but that's not my thing.

You may be able to do CIM in 69 if the girl's willing, but they may charge you for sex (1,200) instead of just a blow. The appeal of the blow work for women is that they believe they are exposing themselves to less disease / risk, and also that it's less intimate (See the film "Clerks" for a discussion of this.), so they may or may not do it.

[QUOTE=Omigawd;1677623]So women don't get naked in BJ bars and we are not allowed to grope?

Also do you have any idea if CIM in 69 position is a possibility?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1677647]DF certainly has strip clubs and clubs where ladies are available to dance with, chat up, etc. , etc. As you've not been yet, I think you may have unrealistic expectations of what the BKK go-go scene has become. There is no "dancing" in any meaningful sense (with some exceptions), there is very little nudity (again, there are exceptions but these days it's not the norm), and, as many others have pointed out, the pricing schemes, "sick friend" scams, etc. , make the scene far less enjoyable than it once was and, far too often, you don't get what you pay for. This is no longer the pre-Purachai era, when a go-go bar was a wild den of debauchery, with naked women everywhere.

As a long-time Thailand uber-fan, I must say that the level of service in Tijuana now tends to surpass that of BKK. And that's a sorry state of affairs, indeed.

But more to the point, the OP asked for a similar place to BKK. DF's scene is certainly not identical to BKK. No place is. Latins roll differently than Asians or Gringos. But the scene is certainly robust, overall the pricing structure is cheaper, DF has all the modern conveniences of a big city, as does BKK. So, the point is that there are "equivalents" to BKK. One may prefer Asia over Mexico, certainly. But the days of BKK being a premier sex tourist destination (I. E. Loads of pretty girls, good value for money, lots of fun, etc.) are coming to a close. You may not like it, but the freelancer / call girl scene seems to be taking over BKK, too.[/QUOTE]An excellent post. Yes, the "social-order" crackdown that started under Purachai in 02 was the beginning of the end. Early closing times, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] tests, less nudity changed the BKK GoGo scene for many different reasons, the most important being it was less fun for the gals.

Combined with an improving economy, police harassing street workers, and more recently various social media platforms and you have created the perfect storm. The "smart" gals are not dancing in GoGos or sitting in FL venues. They are working on LINE, We Chat, etc. From home.

I certainly prefer Asia. I love the food, the lack of machismo, and the attitude of the people. However, the P4 P scene in BKK is simply a shadow of its former self and I firmly believe this trend will continue. I foresee a day when GoGos are a thing of the past and not long after the soapies and oilies closing as well. It is inevitable with economic and social development. How long? 5 years, 10 years, certainly less than 20. My guess would put it somewhere between 5 and 15 years from now.

[QUOTE=Uwillu;1677354]This is Thailand, everyone wants to scam you.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;1677689]I believe you misunderstood me. I was talking specifically about the call girl or escort scene in particular. I don't partake in that scene anywhere in the world because of the "bait and switch". You think one girl is going to show up, but somebody else shows up. Or, it's the same girl but 10 years older or something. And you have no good way to judge chemistry before a call girl shows up at your door. That's what I was talking about, and that can happen in Thailand just like anywhere else. Of course, you can run into a scam anywhere right? But, I don't get scammed or disappointed by arranging for "escorts" via telephone or the internet. Because I just don't do that. Anywhere. And speaking now to Phordphan, I have never had unrealistic expectations for any place I have ever visited before. That's because I do my research and know exactly what to expect. I'm going to love Bangkok far, far more than Tijuana! I'm going for both the mongering and more. And Bangkok (plus Phuket and Pattaya) are both going to offer a lot more that interests me as a tourist than Tijuana ever will! At least in my lifetime LOL![/QUOTE]I have never had experiences in Thailand like Uwillu describes. It has been a couple of years since I picked up an FL, but the last one I did she was great. I have booked numerous MP girls, mostly on outcall, escorts at several agencies and a number of bar girls at several bars on Soi Cowboy and in Nana Plaza. I don't recall a lady doing less than what she said she was willing to do and on a few occasions girls have volunteered to stay longer and offered more, Moojie in particular comes to mind. Many of the girls I now see know me. These girls often say I am jai dee and take very good care of me. I have no problems with the new girls; and when I run into them on subsequent trips many lobby me to take them out again. I'm an average looking man approaching 65. I don't haggle with the girls over money. I don't accept any "up to you" nonsense. I tell them to tell me how much they want. Sometimes they ask for too much and I say no; then they often come down. Usually they quote about what I'm prepared to pay. I tip the girl extra if the sex is good, generously if it's exceptional. Otherwise I don't tip, other than a hundred baht or two for a taxi. I've been known to give a few thousand bahts to ladies who I know from a reliable source are in serious need of money; and I ask for nothing in return. I swore to never forget there were times in my past when I was rescued by the generosity of friends. Simply put, I believe you reap what you sow.

In an earlier post I asked about good mongering destinations other than Bangkok. Places in Latin America were suggested. These have been suggested by others. I mentioned a Cuban friend who loves Medellin. However, my Cuban friend has an older retired friend who rents his rather nice house in Miami and lives most of the year in Medellin. The guy says its because he can live lavishly there and the young ladies are much nicer than they are in Miami. However, about two years ago this guy visited Bangkok and told my friend he believed as a mongering destination it beats Medellin hands down. That is one opinion and who knows, maybe he met Aor while she was still at Annie's. ;) His opinion has not dissuaded me from visiting Medellin at the first opportunity. Still, I feel compared to other destination when you consider the girls, the food, the exotic nature of the country and the cost, Bangkok is tough to beat.

Finally, I posted the photo of the girl at the club in Miami to give an idea of how very hot the girls are here. Still, given a choice of fucking her or any of a dozen or so ladies I know in Bangkok, I'd take the Bangkok ladies hands down. Even though that lady's attitude improved the second time around it still didn't compare to the attitudes of the Bangkok ladies; and the sex with them is much better. Then, when you consider cost the comparison is ridiculous. A few hours with a high quality hooker in Miami will set you back a few thousand US dollars. We all know how far that will go in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1677712]In an earlier post I asked about good mongering destinations other than Bangkok. Places in Latin America were suggested. These have been suggested by others. I mentioned a Cuban friend who loves Medellin. However, my Cuban friend has an older retired friend who rents his rather nice house in Miami and lives most of the year in Medellin. The guy says its because he can live lavishly there and the young ladies are much nicer than they are in Miami. However, about two years ago this guy visited Bangkok and told my friend he believed as a mongering destination it beats Medellin hands down. That is one opinion and who knows, maybe he met Aor while she was still at Annie's. ;) His opinion has not dissuaded me from visiting Medellin at the first opportunity. Still, I feel compared to other destination when you consider the girls, the food, the exotic nature of the country and the cost, Bangkok is tough to beat.[/QUOTE]I already know that although for me Bangkok will most definitely be better than Tijuana, it will never be able to supplant my number 1 (Brazil) or my number 2 (Germany). That's because my favorite kind of women for sexing are the Latinas and the white girls over most Asian girls. And, I love fucking my favorite types in the ass! My friend, I can go to Brazil or Germany and butt fuck my life away LOL! I haven't found any other places yet that compare when it comes to anal, and I doubt I ever will. But, spot number 3 is potentially available to be filled by Thailand. We shall see, we shall see. Right now Costa Rica sits at number 3 on my list of "permanent monger member nations". We shall see!

[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1677712]I have never had experiences in Thailand like Uwillu describes. It has been a couple of years since I picked up an FL, but the last one I did she was great. I have booked numerous MP girls, mostly on outcall, escorts at several agencies and a number of bar girls at several bars on Soi Cowboy and in Nana Plaza. I don't recall a lady doing less than what she said she was willing to do and on a few occasions girls have volunteered to stay longer and offered more, Moojie in particular comes to mind. Many of the girls I now see know me. These girls often say I am jai dee and take very good care of me. I have no problems with the new girls; and when I run into them on subsequent trips many lobby me to take them out again. I'm an average looking man approaching 65. I don't haggle with the girls over money. I don't accept any "up to you" nonsense. I tell them to tell me how much they want. Sometimes they ask for too much and I say no; then they often come down. Usually they quote about what I'm prepared to pay. I tip the girl extra if the sex is good, generously if it's exceptional. Otherwise I don't tip, other than a hundred baht or two for a taxi. I've been known to give a few thousand bahts to ladies who I know from a reliable source are in serious need of money; and I ask for nothing in return. I swore to never forget there were times in my past when I was rescued by the generosity of friends. Simply put, I believe you reap what you sow..[/QUOTE]A hooker in Miami is $200 per hour. Have no idea where you spend a few thousand, but you are being taken. Check out Backpage or Craigslist.

As far as Bangkok, I don't spend 6,000 from escort agencies like you. I also don't spend money on photo-shopped MP girls, photo-shopped agency girls, or overpriced bar girls.

I hit the streets. Plain and simple. 1,000 short time is my offer. On soi 4 if you pay more than that for a freelancer you are being taken. You can find great girls this way, but my point is, there are a lot of scammers working this Soi. Your budget compared to most of us isn't the same. I don't fly 22 hours to spend 6,000 on a short time girl. I knock out overtime at work for 6 months to fly 22 hours to be with as many 1,000 baht girls as possible in my vacation.

In the end, I'd rather have 6 - 1,000 baht freelancers over a photo-shopped escort model anytime. Even the scammers. But they are all disappearing in Bangkok. Every freelancer thinks her pussy is worth 2,500, pregnancy scars in all.

Hi everyone.

I would be traveling to BKK in a couple of weeks for two nights onlyThis would be my first solo business trip and would like to take full advantage of it. However, probably time is definitely going to be a crunch as will be accompanied by my hosts until 8. 30 or even 9 pm.

I will be staying for 2 nights, either Novotel, Siam or the other one down sukhumvit road. Is this a GF hotel or do I have to show an I'd.

I have got pointers from senior members like AO, Mumbaiguy, HSH, TonyIndian, iamramesh of how to have a good time. I will be having one afternoon post 3 pm and that evening free to myself. I then have only one night to myself. So this is what I plan to do.

1. First afternoon. Cherry Massage, would like to try the famous 3 sum combinations Bell, Focus and Game. Planning to try the Nuru massage here.

2. Evening. Would like to experience a soapy, may be Eden or Annie's. Seniors would kindly request your suggestions.

3. Night. Plan to visit NEP. Not sure if I will take someone back to my hotel, may be go to ST hotel near by. Plan to check out angel witch, rainbow.

Next night. BierGarten to try and pick up a free lancer back to the hotel. Guys many websites talk that there is a risk of these freelancers as we do not know if they have any diseases.

I have had my share of 3 sums in India (hope I am not racially discriminated, have to say I am not stinky and absolutely hopeless in bargaining. Zero skills) but what I am looking out for here is total PSE, where I direct the whole scene.

[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1677712]I have never had experiences in Thailand like Uwillu describes. It has been a couple of years since I picked up an FL, but the last one I did she was great. I have booked numerous MP girls, mostly on outcall, escorts at several agencies and a number of bar girls at several bars on Soi Cowboy and in Nana Plaza. I don't recall a lady doing less than what she said she was willing to do and on a few occasions girls have volunteered to stay longer and offered more, Moojie in particular comes to mind. Many of the girls I now see know me. These girls often say I am jai dee and take very good care of me. I have no problems with the new girls; and when I run into them on subsequent trips many lobby me to take them out again. I'm an average looking man approaching 65. I don't haggle with the girls over money. I don't accept any "up to you" nonsense. I tell them to tell me how much they want. Sometimes they ask for too much and I say no; then they often come down. Usually they quote about what I'm prepared to pay. I tip the girl extra if the sex is good, generously if it's exceptional. Otherwise I don't tip, other than a hundred baht or two for a taxi. I've been known to give a few thousand bahts to ladies who I know from a reliable source are in serious need of money; and I ask for nothing in return. I swore to never forget there were times in my past when I was rescued by the generosity of friends. Simply put, I believe you reap what you sow..[/QUOTE]You are a well mannered old man. Please check your vision though -your Miami's prostitute is just OK looking.

[QUOTE=Utd1980;1677766]Hi everyone.

I would be traveling to BKK in a couple of weeks for two nights onlyThis would be my first solo business trip and would like to take full advantage of it. However, probably time is definitely going to be a crunch as will be accompanied by my hosts until 8. 30 or even 9 pm.[/QUOTE]9 PM is still early day for most of the agogo clubs. Suzi Wong in Soi Cowboy only starts with their shows around 9:30 PM.

[QUOTE=Utd1980;1677766]
I will be staying for 2 nights, either Novotel, Siam or the other one down sukhumvit road. Is this a GF hotel or do I have to show an ID.[/QUOTE]Always be prepared that the girl has to show ID in your hotel, so make sure she has her ID with her when you take her with you. That has absolutely nothing to do with the hotel being guestfriendly or not. It is just a security measure.

[QUOTE=Utd1980;1677766]
I have got pointers from senior members like AO, Mumbaiguy, HSH, TonyIndian, iamramesh of how to have a good time. I will be having one afternoon post 3 pm and that evening free to myself. I then have only one night to myself. So this is what I plan to do.

1. First afternoon. Cherry Massage, would like to try the famous 3 sum combinations Bell, Focus and Game. Planning to try the Nuru massage here.[/QUOTE]Nuru plus 3 girls is too much. Enjoy the Nuru massage with one girl. It is a wonderful experience on its own with a dedicated massage girl. You have to savor the delights, not overdose yourself.

[QUOTE=Utd1980;1677766]
2. Evening. Would like to experience a soapy, may be Eden or Annie's. Seniors would kindly request your suggestions.[/QUOTE]Eden is not a soapy. It is the place to be for threesomes with somewhat older, but very experienced ladies with guaranteed A+ if you so choose.

[QUOTE=Utd1980;1677766]
3. Night. Plan to visit NEP. Not sure if I will take someone back to my hotel, may be go to ST hotel near by. Plan to check out angel witch, rainbow.[/QUOTE]Unless you are superman, you will be exhausted by now and happy to crawl to your bed. Anyhow, no reason to go to an ST hotel when your own hotel is close by. Also, one of fhe things I like so much in Bangkok (or Thailand in general) is the option for LT. What could be nicer to have good sex in the evening, fall asleep in the arms of a SYT and in the morning have her take good care of your morning wood? All in the comfort of your hotel room.

[QUOTE=Utd1980;1677766]
Next night. BierGarten to try and pick up a free lancer back to the hotel. Guys many websites talk that there is a risk of these freelancers as we do not know if they have any diseases.[/QUOTE]Risk of disease is everywhere. I don't think the risk is too big if you take the usual precautions (never go bareback; don't go with junkies or drunks). However as a newbie in Bangkok Biergarten is perhaps not the best place to be. Stick with the agogo or well known oilies and soapies. Why not visit Soi Cowboy for your second night?

[QUOTE=Utd1980;1677766]
I have had my share of 3 sums in India (hope I am not racially discriminated, have to say I am not stinky and absolutely hopeless in bargaining. Zero skills) but what I am looking out for here is total PSE, where I direct the whole scene.[/QUOTE]In Eden Club you can be the Director of your own porn movie. Eden girls will do exactly what you ask them to do and you can watch yourself in the mirrors on the walls and ceiling.

Have fun in Bangkok, but don't stress it! Go with the flow and take it easy.

Thank you so much for replying to all my queries. Really appreciate the time you have taken to write back.

Yes, I agree, I will cherish the NURU with one and then probably opt for 3 sum at Eden. Cherry website does say they give NURU. Planning to take one with Bell.

I had a good time with freelancers in Jakarta, but may its something different in BKK. Will check out the place, but not sure about the chick.

The only fear I have of gogo is that, I have seen some jerks holding videos of the place and then posting them on youtube and everyones face is visible. Have to say, being a family man, that is kind of risky, albeit the chances may be less than 1% though and I could be exaggerating.

So, thanks again for your time and advice.

Regards.

A.

[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1677712]I have never had experiences in Thailand like Uwillu describes. It has been a couple of years since I picked up an FL, but the last one I did she was great. I have booked numerous MP girls, mostly on outcall, escorts at several agencies and a number of bar girls at several bars on Soi Cowboy and in Nana Plaza. I don't recall a lady doing less than what she said she was willing to do and on a few occasions girls have volunteered to stay longer and offered more, Moojie in particular comes to mind. Many of the girls I now see know me. These girls often say I am jai dee and take very good care of me. I have no problems with the new girls; and when I run into them on subsequent trips many lobby me to take them out again. I'm an average looking man approaching 65. I don't haggle with the girls over money. I don't accept any "up to you" nonsense. I tell them to tell me how much they want. Sometimes they ask for too much and I say no; then they often come down. Usually they quote about what I'm prepared to pay. I tip the girl extra if the sex is good, generously if it's exceptional. Otherwise I don't tip, other than a hundred baht or two for a taxi. I've been known to give a few thousand bahts to ladies who I know from a reliable source are in serious need of money; and I ask for nothing in return. I swore to never forget there were times in my past when I was rescued by the generosity of friends. Simply put, I believe you reap what you sow..[/QUOTE]I have had one problem in BKK and that was my fault. I think if you approach this like buying a car you will be ok. You have to be very forthright with what options you are looking for. Know what your buying before you hand over your money and you will avoid lemons. Never pay upfront. It's all in the forum. We need a "Rules of The Road" forum. Another thing that goes a long way in getting good service is being reasonable in what you're offering. Find out what the going rate is at the place you're at. Only haggle if she's asking more than the going rate. Don't try and get her to discount the service too much or you'll get discounted service. Common sense. If she's asking 50% more than the going rate then more than likely she doesn't want to go. Don't push it, it won't turn out well.

Paul, I've spent quite a bit of time in Columbia, Cuba, and a few others south of the border. It's been a while but I periodically read those forums just to keep current as it's a heck of a lot closer than BKK. I'm still infatuated with Asia so it won't be for a while. Email me if you want to discuss. I think I have a lot of pics of what's available and I'll give you my take on it. I think you and I are similar mongers.

I think you would like some of the Philippine scene.

In AC right now. Had a good time last night.

[QUOTE=Uwillu;1677354]I agree with your statement about Mexico, but not your "baiting and switching" in Thailand. I lost count of the girls in Bangkok that agreed to my terms but only reveal they are on their period after we get to the hotel. Or their phone rings when they get back to my room because their girlfriend is sick and they can only do a blowjob and go. Or they get to the hotel, have stomach pain from food they ate earlier so they have to go, but ask for 300 baht for taxi.

This is Thailand, everyone wants to scam you. For bars, fewer customers mean raising the drink prices and barfines. For girls, fewer customers mean raising the price.[/QUOTE]In that case I would call the deal off, go back and get my BF and move on. Of you have to be more specific with your dealmaking. Ask questions like "are you on your period. " The only time that happened to me was in the Philippines. I took a girl to an island. Four days into the five day trip (just after I fucked her) she came out of the bathroom with her underwear in hand and there was blood on them. She still managed to keep me entertained and offered to do it regardless if I was interested. If it had been the first or second day I probably would have done her on her period. But by the 4th day I'm sure I had gotten more than my monies worth.

This lack of, or substandard performance is such a recurring issue that really doesn't need to be if one negotiates the terms up front. Make sure you know what you're getting, cover all the details that are important to you. And never pay upfront. The girl I pulled last night was very upfront about giving blow jobs "I'm not that good" but I liked her look and took her anyway. But at least I got to decide. It was a good decision and quite frankly she underestimated her abilities. It was a girl that was worthy of Pip Yaegers attention. About 4'10 and 75 lbs.

Just visited Spankys at NEP and they tried to charge me 1250 Baht while my correct bill should be just 750. I always look at my receipt after every new ordered beer, so I new they were wrong and Spankys sorted this out without hesitation when I complained. But I left immediately so that they should know that this isn't ok.

I've toured NEP for four nights in a row now, and all agogos are pretty much the same. Dispite the accident at Spankys earlier today I would say that Spankys is the best agogo at NEP. Fair priced when it comes to drinks, and fully naked and friendly girls.

I went to Soi Cowboy a few nights ago and Crazy House was the winner by far over there.

Tomorrow I'll go to Pattaya and so looking forward to it. I miss the sea view!

After realizing how economical and quick a BJ bar is compared to full service, I decided to compare Dr. BJ's Salon, of which I had heard, to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, which I have visited two or three times now.

Dr. BJ's is right next door to the famous Eden Club on Sukhumvit Soi 7/1. There's Dr. BJ's Salon, which is a blowjob bar, and Dr. BJ's Nuru next door, which is self-explanatory. Most of the girls are waiting outside, but when you enter, the line-up formally. Ladies in white nurse outfits are 700 THB, those in black dresses are 1,000 THB. These are not stunners. As such I chose the best looking one in black, who also had big but obviously fake tits. She was identified only by a L' on a heart pin on her bra.

Dr. BJ's describes it self as a "business class BJ Bar. " At least based on the room I had, this is bullshit. Even if it is a "fusion Beauty Salon / Dr Clinic" as it says on its website, I would not patronize either the beauty salon or the doctor's clinic. For a relatively new establishment, the upstairs seemed awfully rundown. The "leather recliner" looked like a dorm room chair. It may perhaps be leather, but I'm guessing it's imitation. It was not the Barcalounger I had envisioned.

L' brought me to the room, she was friendly and made some small talk. She went out, asking me to take my pants off before she left. When she returned, she brought me over to the sink, which is the same style as the kind used at hair salons. She gave the knob a thorough washing, then I sat down, and she brought out something to kneel on.

Her technique was very good, starting by tonguing my balls, then working her way up to the shaft. She did not take off her bra at first, but I asked her to, and she did, although she said "but I'm shy" more than once.

I lasted a few minutes, then shot it in her mouth. She took all of it and then I believe spit it into a towel. She went out again, then came back and washed me off again. We dressed, I tipped her before we left the cubicle, and then went downstairs.

I was not disappointed with L' or her service, but I was disappointed with a promise of a "business class" experience that was definitely economy. Next time, I'll go back to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s.

[QUOTE=Uwillu;1677745]In the end, I'd rather have 6 - 1,000 baht freelancers over a photo-shopped escort model anytime. Even the scammers. But they are all disappearing in Bangkok. Every freelancer thinks her pussy is worth 2,500, pregnancy scars in all.[/QUOTE]If every monger thought as you do, BKK would still be paradise. Kudos. And don't ever change that attitude.

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1677701]Really? Where are you finding girls for long time P4P in Tijuana? And where are you taking them?[/QUOTE]Craigslist is full of them. It takes a bit more effort, yes. But the payoff seems to be worth it, so far. And the minimum short time for non-gringofied girls is an hour. Minimum. Subsequent dates net far more time at a far better hourly rate. Case in point, I had a 4-some with a long time fave, a club girl and a girl from CL. Several hours drinking, back to the room for some fun (I would do one while my friend did the other, then we'd change). Total cost, outside of a bucket of beers, was a couple of hotdogs and $120 USD. Two weeks ago I had a 3-some with the above club girl and one of her friends. Several hours of dancing and drinking, followed by a trip to the hotel. Unfortunately everybody was rather drunk and things weren't as good as they might have been. Total cost was a bucket of beers (around $20) and $100 for the girls to share.

As far as where do I take them? Let's see. Movies. Dancing, Clubbing, Dining, just to name a few, if it's a long time. A multiple hour short time is usually a dance club or two, followed by an hour or two in the room.

The issue you've pointed out is "long time. " Back in the "good olde days" it was very easy to waltz into virtually any go-go and nab an attractive lady who had no problem going long time. In fact, payment arrangements were usually "Up to you. " Those days appear to be gone, or at least few and far between. At Mr. Goat pointed out earlier, the "short time" appears to be closer to 30 minutes, the norm in the gringo clubs of Mexico. My "short times" in Tijuana are usually several hours, equivalent to the BKK short time of 15 years ago.

[QUOTE=TheCane;1677720]I already know that although for me Bangkok will most definitely be better than Tijuana, it will never be able to supplant my number 1 (Brazil) or my number 2 (Germany). That's because my favorite kind of women for sexing are the Latinas and the white girls over most Asian girls. And, I love fucking my favorite types in the ass! My friend, I can go to Brazil or Germany and butt fuck my life away LOL! I haven't found any other places yet that compare when it comes to anal, and I doubt I ever will. But, spot number 3 is potentially available to be filled by Thailand. We shall see, we shall see. Right now Costa Rica sits at number 3 on my list of "permanent monger member nations". We shall see![/QUOTE]Cane,

I think we may have lost sight of the original point. We were discussing alternatives to BKK. DF and BKK are similarly sized cities, with similar infrastructure and a robust P4 P scene. They are not mirror images, but it could be an alternative.

Tijuana is NOT BKK, There can be no comparison. My point was that the average service levels in a typical BKK go-go bar have declined to Tijuana levels and at a generally higher price.

Tijuana has around 1. 5 million people. BKK has between 8 and 10 million, depending on who you ask. Of course there are far more things to see and do in a city as large and varied as BKK. Apples and oranges. If you want a closer apples-to-apples comparison, compare Tijuana to Chiang Mai, a city with about 1. 6 million people. The "touristy" P4 P scene in both cities is limited to an area roughly the same size. You're hard pressed to find a decent go-go in CM, let alone one like Hong Kong club. I know both cities and, sadly, Tijuana comes out on top. Which truly sucks.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1678025]If you want a closer apples-to-apples comparison, compare Tijuana to Chiang Mai, a city with about 1. 6 million people. The "touristy" P4P scene in both cities is limited to an area roughly the same size. You're hard pressed to find a decent go-go in CM, let alone one like Hong Kong Club. I know both cities and, sadly, Tijuana comes out on top. Which truly sucks.[/QUOTE]Based on my extensive RTFF research, I know this to be true. If the choice is Tijuana or Chiang Mai and mongering is your desire, then Tijuana wins no question about it. And not even close, both in terms of quality and distance LOL! I wouldn't mind visiting Chiang Mai if I had more time to spend, but I won't. So Bangkok, Phuket, and Pattaya it shall be! And maybe Chiang Mai some other time. Speaking of Chiang Mai, did you see the Bourdain "Parts Unknown" episode where he went to that city? It was funny because he got tricked into kissing a lady boy, who according to Tony looked just like Ernest Borgnine, right on the lips hahaha! There was also this great sequence that made it look like Bourdain was "on a trip" LOL! I posted that in the "Jokes" section of this site a little while ago.

I just returned home from my 5 weeks in Thailand. I spent the first 4 weeks in Koh Samui. I was in a detox and fasting spa. It was great! I lost 13 kilos, gained lots of muscle and I feel like a million bucks. The spa was New Leaf Detox Resore and I highly recommend some time there for anyone looking to regain some youth.

While there I started a testosterone therapy. I have to say, after 6 weeks of therapy, I feel like a bull. I am once again waking up with wood and my poor girl friend here at home, 23 years younger than me is walking with a limp. She wants to please and is trying to accommodate but I am like I was when I was 25 again.

After the spa, I went to Bangkok for a week. I stayed in Hotel Mermaid, a corner suite around $60 a night. I recommend this hotel. It was at Soi 19, far enough away from the crazy part but close enough to walk when I wanted. Clean, quite, comfortable. Good security but still able to allow guest in without any walk of shame. Breakfast was included. Nothing fancy but good enough and great coffee. All the staff did there best to accommodate me.

I really enjoyed the BeerGarten. I went two times and although I never pulled a girl, I felt I was amongst my piers. The best girl I had in Bangkok was a street girl standing out in front of some sports bar close to the BeerGarten. 1500 baht and it was money well spent. I did a lot of little massage places on the street, usually paying 300 plus 500 for the happy ending and generally a tip of 200 for a job well done.

I hired a guide / friend for my last 3 days in BKK. Turned out he was fluent in Spanish, English and Thai and he looked like a gringo. We had a great time going all over. We would speak English and then when the locals were speaking Thai, he would tell me what they were saying in Spanish. No one ever caught on. I had a lot of fun with that.

Several times we would go into a massage place, I would ask for what I want, the girls would say something very nasty about us in Thai, we would discuss what to do in Spanish and then as we leave, he would whisper to the girl in native Thai that I am a very rich falang and he is getting 10,000 baht a day to help me find a wife. The look on their faces was priceless!

I went through the Craigs List adds and did some texting back and forth with a couple of older girls. I found one who worked in an office close by. She came to my hotel several times at 6:30 in the morning, woke me up, gave me a blow job and then a nice message and then a good fuck and then left for work. A perfect way to start the day. Whats not to like.

All in all, a great vacation.

I want to go back in May or June for 2 months. If anyone has experience with short term apartment rentals, please let me know.

[QUOTE=TheCane;1678045]Based on my extensive RTFF research, I know this to be true. If the choice is Tijuana or Chiang Mai and mongering is your desire, then Tijuana wins no question about it. And not even close, both in terms of quality and distance LOL! I wouldn't mind visiting Chiang Mai if I had more time to spend, but I won't. So Bangkok, Phuket, and Pattaya it shall be! And maybe Chiang Mai some other time. Speaking of Chiang Mai, did you see the Bourdain "Parts Unknown" episode where he went to that city? It was funny because he got tricked into kissing a lady boy, who according to Tony looked just like Ernest Borgnine, right on the lips hahaha! There was also this great sequence that made it look like Bourdain was "on a trip" LOL! I posted that in the "Jokes" section of this site a little while ago.[/QUOTE]LOL. Yes, I saw that and it's saved on my DVR. Being something of a foodie, and traveler, I really dig him and his show.

I liked that episode but I won't be eating blood soup anytime soon. If the GF won't eat it, I ain't going to touch it.

It was his 2009 "No Reservations" show that turned me on to the "train to nowhere" that departs BKK and goes to the Mae Klong market. Definitely an interesting day trip and hardly anybody knows about it.

Hi all,

First time visitor soon to Bangkok and Pattaya and I was wondering if massage and soapy establishments more often than not accept credit card?

Thanks

I am heading to Thailand for the first time next month. I will have a couple of days in Bangkok on the way to a rather remote part of the country. I would like to stay near the Don Mueang airport so I can catch a flight from there.

On the top of my wish list are a Bubble and or Nuru Massage and second to be able to go to a place where you pick the ladies sitting behind glass.

Any tips on hotels and places to visit greatly appreciated. Also on how to get between between the two airports.

P.S. Any tips on Railay Beach. Sounds pretty dead there from what I have been able to find out.

Thank-you.

Hi guys,

I'm in Bangkok right now (until Sunday) so if anyone wants to meet up do drop a pm, I'll login for a few minutes every day. I'll post full reports of my experiences when I get time.

Anyways, a quick question. Anyone encountered Russian ladyboys? Or ladyboys who could pass for Russian / central asian? I was just outside and on the main sukhumvit road, roughly opposite majestic suite I was propositioned by a "Russian girl" who had dark hair, fairly tall, wearing black framed glasses. She had a fairly deep voice and altho a nice body her chin looked kinda manly. Her asking price was only 1,000 Baht for 3 hours which is also suspiciously low.

[QUOTE=Flammable;1678090]Hi all,

First time visitor soon to Bangkok and Pattaya and I was wondering if massage and soapy establishments more often than not accept credit card?

Thanks[/QUOTE]You don't want to give them your CC info. Cash is king.

[QUOTE=ElVagabundo;1678057]I just returned home from my 5 weeks in Thailand. I spent the first 4 weeks in Koh Samui. I was in a detox and fasting spa. It was great! I lost 13 kilos, gained lots of muscle and I feel like a million bucks. The spa was New Leaf Detox Resore and I highly recommend some time there for anyone looking to regain some youth.

While there I started a testosterone therapy. I have to say, after 6 weeks of therapy, I feel like a bull. I am once again waking up with wood and my poor girl friend here at home, 23 years younger than me is walking with a limp. She wants to please and is trying to accommodate but I am like I was when I was 25 again.

.[/QUOTE]13 Kilos in 4 weeks? That is the sort of weight loss that folks who have a duodenal bypass achieve! If you gained a lot of muscle (which weighs a lot more than fat), you probably lost the equivalent of even more kilos of fat. I am sure (or hope) you know the risks of such severe weight-loss which can only be brought about by extremely low calorie diet, in your case in conjunction with a very punishing muscle building regime. Throwing some testosterone supplementation on top of that at the same time could have serious effects on your body long term, especially depending on whether you supplemented with pills or using other delivery systems. I hope that you are just joking about this. But if not, I hope for your sake that you are under the care of a medic given the effect this kind of behaviour can have on your heart and liver, let alone anything else.

[QUOTE=AlaskaManman;1678137]I am heading to Thailand for the first time next month. I will have a couple of days in Bangkok on the way to a rather remote part of the country. I would like to stay near the Don Mueang airport so I can catch a flight from there.[/QUOTE]You realize Don Muang is really out of the center of Bangkok and thus far away from the usual mongering places?

[QUOTE=AlaskaManman;1678137]On the top of my wish list are a Bubble and or Nuru Massage and second to be able to go to a place where you pick the ladies sitting behind glass.[/QUOTE]Bubble massage? Do you mean a soapy massage? There are many soapy and oily massage places that have a "fishbowl" where you can choose your lady. Check out the massage places thread.

[QUOTE=AlaskaManman;1678137]
Any tips on hotels and places to visit greatly appreciated[/QUOTE]Check out the Bangkok Hotels thread. For "places to visit", perhaps you can go to any of the common tourist websites? Tripadvisor springs to mind.

[QUOTE=AlaskaManman;1678137]. Also on how to get between between the two airports.[/QUOTE]There is a free shuttle bus between Bangkok airport and Don Muang.

[QUOTE=AlaskaManman;1678137]
P.S. Any tips on Railay Beach. Sounds pretty dead there from what I have been able to find out.[/QUOTE]You can always take a longtail boat at Railay Beach and go to Ao Nang. There are some girlie bars there. At Railay, the best you can expect are some massage places which offer happy endings.

[QUOTE=AlaskaManman;1678137]

Thank-you.[/QUOTE]You're welcome. Don't forget to post some tripreports.

[QUOTE=Gorgon;1678299]You don't want to give them your CC info. Cash is king.[/QUOTE]As far as I know, only Eden Club accepts credit-cards and I've never had a problem with a CC-payment there.

Yes, 13 kilos is really big. Add to that the adding of muscle and it is really impressive. The story behind the story is complex. Part of detoxing includes daily colemas (enemas). It is amazing what gets built up in your colon over 60 years. Even after weeks and weeks of no solid food, the nastiest, gross, disgusting things were coming out. I was told you can have between 5 and 15 kilos of old dried waste stuck to the walls of your lower intestines. That was a big part of the weight loss. The liquid diet was 700 calories a day and between the walking, water aerobics and weights, I was burning 4,000 calories a day.

This was a very controlled environment, with a daily visit to the nurse, a nutritionist and other experts.

One more note, I have been on Losortan and a diuretic for the last 5 years. I weened off of the meds during the first week and for the last week, my blood pressure ran steady at 120/80.

Of course out side this very controlled environment I am still struggling with my same demons, but I do feel like a kid again.

So, are there health risks involved, for sure. But the same can be said of being 30 kilos overweight, taking beta blockers everyday for the rest of your life, and chewing Viagra like candy just to get a half ass woody.

By the way, I am injecting the testosterone every other day. I am trying to get my level up to between 1000 and 1200.

My goal is to die by getting shot in the back at the age of 99 by a jealous husband while drilling his wife and leaving a check to pay my funeral expenses that gets returned "Insufficient Funds".

I came into this world broke via pussy and I am going out the same way, I hope!

Day 1:

So I arrived Tuesday morning and made my way to the hotel via the air link train to Makkasan and then a cab the rest of the way. Arrived about midday-ish and shown to my room. Despite being tired I didn't rest long, unpacked a few bits, showered, had a snack and went out to get money exchanged, get sim card and look around. After some food at Soi Arab looked for a shop to buy some cheap booze, I only see some 7/11's nearby and small bottles of branded spirits really aren't much cheaper than the hotel so some pointers on where to get good prices on booze would be nice, I'm not into trying local beer as I'm not a big drinker and would rather stick to what I know.

After this I retired to hotel to shower and change, had a couple vodka with red bull and had a look around the Nana area before heading into nana itself. By now it was about 10 pm and I surveyed the ground floor as I walked by the GoGos I spotted Rainbow 2, having heard good things about the Rainbow GoGos I decided to make this my first stop but as I approached a man stopped me and said it was members only. I don't believe this but I guess it could be because I'm of Indian origin (albeit born and raised in the UK), I would have thought the fact that I speak perfect English with a strong British accent would make that obvious but I guess this guy was an idiot.

One of the girls outside London Calling invited me in, this is a new GoGo that's replaced Angelwitch 2. She told me that the bar is 100% ladies. No ladyboys whatsoever. This convinced me to give it a try. Went in and was seated in the first row in front of the stage, about a dozen girls "dancing" at a time with a change of girls after 20 minutes or so. Most of the girls looked pretty good so I ordered myself a cocktail and asked about the bar fine. The waitress went and got my drink and brought the Papasan over who explain the pricing to me, ladies drinks 200 baht, barfine 800 baht for gogo girls and 1000 baht for coyotes. He also said the girls charged a fixed rate go to back to hotel, 2 K short time and 4 K long time. Despite the pricey drinks the other rates seemed quite reasonable to me given the number of attractive girls here. After a little while I made a selection and Papasan came over, he told me that girl isn't barfineable, which although disappointing is better than finding out after paying for a lady drink, so I salute Papasan's honesty, I picked another girl and was told that she'll only go to the short time rooms and not the hotel, again saved myself 200 baht on a wasted lady drink. I definitely do not want to use a filthy ST room. Finally 3rd choice Patih came over, bought her a lady drink and chatted a little. Patih was 22, fairly tall with a nice toned figure. Paid for the barfine and made our way back to the hotel.

In the room we both showered and got down to action, kissing on lips with some tongue action and on to BJ. This is where things began to go downhill, her technique was poor, very light BJ just doesn't go it for me, no tongue action, pretty robotic. Put on a condom and tried sex, wanted her on top but she was tired within minutes and having not had any rest after my 20 hour journey I wasn't full of energy either, the redbull had worn off and Patih's skills in the sack (or lack thereof) weren't getting me going. Spent quite some time gently going in missionary but this just wasn't doing it for me, tried to get her to go back on top again but again she was tired within minutes. Back to me on top again but by now I was getting less and less horny. After spending an hour of gentle fucking with me doing almost all the work she began complaining that she had to go back to dance. I figured I wasn't going to pop in her anytime soon so I gave her the 2000 baht and sent her on her way. For some reason she gave me her number and expected me to return on day 2. I'm happy to share it if for some reason anyone wants it. So in the end a disappointing evening for me, but London Calling did seem like a good place despite the pricey drinks, the fixed prices for ST and LT and Papasan's honesty (I. E. Not making me waste money on lady drinks for non-fineable ladies) was a big plus. Unfortunately I won't be going back since my research tells me Patih will probably be highly offended if I go there and barfine a different girl!

Day 2:

Spent much of the day sleeping, woke up for the complimentary breakfast, which was decent quality but really lacking in quantity! Went back to sleep till lunch time and then tried out Thailand's McDonalds. Found a place that does Brazilian waxing for men, I'd been considering trying it lately so I got one done! Now I got a smooth junk for the girls, LOL! Tonight I wanted to check out some of the non-mongering nightlife before going mongering so headed to Ocean Lounge on Soi 33. This is a bar with swimming pool and DJs that had good reviews, having got there however, found it dead and was told there wasn't anything happening that night. Despite it supposedly being open 7 days a week!

Well, headed back toward the hotel to cool down as it was very humid and hot, it was this time that I encountered a free lancer so said she was Russian. She did have a white complexion and judging from the nose I'd say she could well be Tatar or Uzbek, however her chin and voice hinted that it could be a ladyboy. Her asking price was 1000 baht for 3 hours which seemed suspiciously low too. I told her I wasn't there for mongering and got away from her. Now, she did have a nice body and given my love of BJs the chin wouldn't really be an issue if I don't look at it, however the thought that there could be a dick down there and the price being unbelievably low made upper brain over rule lower brain.

After a short break at hotel went to Soi Arab and grace hotel to check the scene there before heading to Levels club to check out the non-monger scene again. Had a 250 baht drink and chatted to some of the clubbers before heading out and stopping at Australian Pub, where a live band was performing with acoustic instruments. Sat down with a Breezer and watched for a bit, the singer asked if anyone had a request and one customer (who did actually sound Australian) wanted Iron Maiden! Well, hats off to the lady, she did a pretty impressive rendition of The Trooper! After another drink, made my way to Rajah hotel as I was considering a Russian girl because I'm really hoping for a nice BJ, entered the coffee shop and saw not a single girl! Asked the guy at reception about them and he took me upstairs to one of the hotel rooms with 3 Russian girls. He told me they charge 3,100 Baht for ST. One girl was asleep, didn't want to wake her, other girl spoke no English and third girl said none of them do uncovered BJ. Disappointed I decided to go to Nana. By now it was almost 1 am, headed up to the first floor (that's 2nd floor for our American friends), popped into one GoGo and quickly popped out, was passing Rainbow 4 so decided to take a look but once again I'm stopped, told it's member's only. This time I decided to act like I've frequented this place in the past and know it's not members only. Guy tells me the policy was brought in "last week" and that I can simply become a member for 1,200 Baht. HELL NO! I continue browsing, getting accosted by lady boys a couple times and politely declining. Went into another bar, name escapes me, and have a drink with a girl there. The papasan was a ladyboy but he assured me that all the other staff were 100% girl. After some chatting I politely declined the barfine as the girl didn't look that good once she'd gotten close to me. Finally I was considerig calling it a night but was politely invited in to Mandarin. Attractive and chatty girl named Yuna (I think) followed me up and sat down with me. She soon prompted me to buy a lady drink for her so I got both of us a drink and asked about the rates. 1000 baht barfine and she was 3000 for ST. I had decided before arriving here that my first time with any new girl will be ST. Anyways, Yuna quickly downed her drink and soon wanted another, for 160 baht I expect to get more than 5-10 mins time to chat to a girl but she was hot and energetic so I decided go let her have another drink. She downed this one even faster and then went on to the stage to dance. In all honesty she was by far the most enthusiastic girl on stage but her rapid downing of lady drinks told me she may well employ the same tactics elsewhere. After coming off stage she immediately wanted another drink but I declined and decided to call it a night. It was now approaching 2 am and despite not popping a load for a couple days now I just wasn't horny enough to take chances on girls that I don't think will give great service.

So a disappointing couple days so far, and my monies getting eaten away on overpriced booze already! Tomorrow I'm thinking of trying a soapy instead, from what I've read the environment may be more suited to my taste (I. E. Where I feel relaxed and know how much time I'll get and what I'll spend. I would always choose good sex with a hot girl over cheap sex any day but all this wading through ladyboys and buying lady drinks that come to nothing really annoyed me today).

[QUOTE=DarkSmurf;1678435]Day 1:

So I arrived Tuesday morning and made my way to the hotel via the air link train to Makkasan and then a cab the rest of the way. Arrived about midday-ish and shown to my room. Despite being tired I didn't rest long, unpacked a few bits, showered, had a snack and went out to get money exchanged, get sim card and look around. After some food at Soi Arab looked for a shop to buy some cheap booze, I only see some 7/11's nearby and small bottles of branded spirits really aren't much cheaper than the hotel so some pointers on where to get good prices on booze would be nice, I'm not into trying local beer as I'm not a big drinker and would rather stick to what I know.

After this I retired to hotel to shower and change, had a couple vodka with red bull and had a look around the Nana area before heading into nana itself. By now it was about 10 pm and I surveyed the ground floor as I walked by the GoGos I spotted Rainbow 2, having heard good things about the Rainbow GoGos I decided to make this my first stop but as I approached a man stopped me and said it was members only. I don't believe this but I guess it could be because I'm of Indian origin (albeit born and raised in the UK), I would have thought the fact that I speak perfect English with a strong British accent would make that obvious but I guess this guy was an idiot.

One of the girls outside London Calling invited me in, this is a new GoGo that's replaced Angelwitch 2. She told me that the bar is 100% ladies. No ladyboys whatsoever. This convinced me to give it a try. Went in and was seated in the first row in front of the stage, about a dozen girls "dancing" at a time with a change of girls after 20 minutes or so. Most of the girls looked pretty good so I ordered myself a cocktail and asked about the bar fine. The waitress went and got my drink and brought the Papasan over who explain the pricing to me, ladies drinks 200 baht, barfine 800 baht for gogo girls and 1000 baht for coyotes. He also said the girls charged a fixed rate go to back to hotel, 2 K short time and 4 K long time. Despite the pricey drinks the other rates seemed quite reasonable to me given the number of attractive girls here. After a little while I made a selection and Papasan came over, he told me that girl isn't barfineable, which although disappointing is better than finding out after paying for a lady drink, so I salute Papasan's honesty, I picked another girl and was told that she'll only go to the short time rooms and not the hotel, again saved myself 200 baht on a wasted lady drink. I definitely do not want to use a filthy ST room. Finally 3rd choice Patih came over, bought her a lady drink and chatted a little. Patih was 22, fairly tall with a nice toned figure. Paid for the barfine and made our way back to the hotel.

In the room we both showered and got down to action, kissing on lips with some tongue action and on to BJ. This is where things began to go downhill, her technique was poor, very light BJ just doesn't go it for me, no tongue action, pretty robotic. Put on a condom and tried sex, wanted her on top but she was tired within minutes and having not had any rest after my 20 hour journey I wasn't full of energy either, the redbull had worn off and Patih's skills in the sack (or lack thereof) weren't getting me going. Spent quite some time gently going in missionary but this just wasn't doing it for me, tried to get her to go back on top again but again she was tired within minutes. Back to me on top again but by now I was getting less and less horny. After spending an hour of gentle fucking with me doing almost all the work she began complaining that she had to go back to dance. I figured I wasn't going to pop in her anytime soon so I gave her the 2000 baht and sent her on her way. For some reason she gave me her number and expected me to return on day 2. I'm happy to share it if for some reason anyone wants it. So in the end a disappointing evening for me, but London Calling did seem like a good place despite the pricey drinks, the fixed prices for ST and LT and Papasan's honesty (I. E. Not making me waste money on lady drinks for non-fineable ladies) was a big plus. Unfortunately I won't be going back since my research tells me Patih will probably be highly offended if I go there and barfine a different girl!

Day 2:

Spent much of the day sleeping, woke up for the complimentary breakfast, which was decent quality but really lacking in quantity! Went back to sleep till lunch time and then tried out Thailand's McDonalds. Found a place that does Brazilian waxing for men, I'd been considering trying it lately so I got one done! Now I got a smooth junk for the girls, LOL! Tonight I wanted to check out some of the non-mongering nightlife before going mongering so headed to Ocean Lounge on Soi 33. This is a bar with swimming pool and DJs that had good reviews, having got there however, found it dead and was told there wasn't anything happening that night. Despite it supposedly being open 7 days a week!

Well, headed back toward the hotel to cool down as it was very humid and hot, it was this time that I encountered a free lancer so said she was Russian. She did have a white complexion and judging from the nose I'd say she could well be Tatar or Uzbek, however her chin and voice hinted that it could be a ladyboy. Her asking price was 1000 baht for 3 hours which seemed suspiciously low too. I told her I wasn't there for mongering and got away from her. Now, she did have a nice body and given my love of BJs the chin wouldn't really be an issue if I don't look at it, however the thought that there could be a dick down there and the price being unbelievably low made upper brain over rule lower brain.

After a short break at hotel went to Soi Arab and grace hotel to check the scene there before heading to Levels club to check out the non-monger scene again. Had a 250 baht drink and chatted to some of the clubbers before heading out and stopping at Australian Pub, where a live band was performing with acoustic instruments. Sat down with a Breezer and watched for a bit, the singer asked if anyone had a request and one customer (who did actually sound Australian) wanted Iron Maiden! Well, hats off to the lady, she did a pretty impressive rendition of The Trooper! After another drink, made my way to Rajah hotel as I was considering a Russian girl because I'm really hoping for a nice BJ, entered the coffee shop and saw not a single girl! Asked the guy at reception about them and he took me upstairs to one of the hotel rooms with 3 Russian girls. He told me they charge 3,100 Baht for ST. One girl was asleep, didn't want to wake her, other girl spoke no English and third girl said none of them do uncovered BJ. Disappointed I decided to go to Nana. By now it was almost 1 am, headed up to the first floor (that's 2nd floor for our American friends), popped into one GoGo and quickly popped out, was passing Rainbow 4 so decided to take a look but once again I'm stopped, told it's member's only. This time I decided to act like I've frequented this place in the past and know it's not members only. Guy tells me the policy was brought in "last week" and that I can simply become a member for 1,200 Baht. HELL NO! I continue browsing, getting accosted by lady boys a couple times and politely declining. Went into another bar, name escapes me, and have a drink with a girl there. The papasan was a ladyboy but he assured me that all the other staff were 100% girl. After some chatting I politely declined the barfine as the girl didn't look that good once she'd gotten close to me. Finally I was considerig calling it a night but was politely invited in to Mandarin. Attractive and chatty girl named Yuna (I think) followed me up and sat down with me. She soon prompted me to buy a lady drink for her so I got both of us a drink and asked about the rates. 1000 baht barfine and she was 3000 for ST. I had decided before arriving here that my first time with any new girl will be ST. Anyways, Yuna quickly downed her drink and soon wanted another, for 160 baht I expect to get more than 5-10 mins time to chat to a girl but she was hot and energetic so I decided go let her have another drink. She downed this one even faster and then went on to the stage to dance. In all honesty she was by far the most enthusiastic girl on stage but her rapid downing of lady drinks told me she may well employ the same tactics elsewhere. After coming off stage she immediately wanted another drink but I declined and decided to call it a night. It was now approaching 2 am and despite not popping a load for a couple days now I just wasn't horny enough to take chances on girls that I don't think will give great service.

So a disappointing couple days so far, and my monies getting eaten away on overpriced booze already! Tomorrow I'm thinking of trying a soapy instead, from what I've read the environment may be more suited to my taste (I. E. Where I feel relaxed and know how much time I'll get and what I'll spend. I would always choose good sex with a hot girl over cheap sex any day but all this wading through ladyboys and buying lady drinks that come to nothing really annoyed me today).[/QUOTE]Dude, go get an oily. Snow White, Mango, or Cherry. Don't waste your time in GoGos. Overpriced in every sense.

[QUOTE=ElVagabundo;1678428]Yes, 13 kilos is really big. Add to that the adding of muscle and it is really impressive. The story behind the story is complex. Part of detoxing includes daily colemas (enemas). It is amazing what gets built up in your colon over 60 years. Even after weeks and weeks of no solid food, the nastiest, gross, disgusting things were coming out. I was told you can have between 5 and 15 kilos of old dried waste stuck to the walls of your lower intestines. That was a big part of the weight loss. The liquid diet was 700 calories a day and between the walking, water aerobics and weights, I was burning 4,000 calories a day.

This was a very controlled environment, with a daily visit to the nurse, a nutritionist and other experts.

One more note, I have been on Losortan and a diuretic for the last 5 years. I weened off of the meds during the first week and for the last week, my blood pressure ran steady at 120/80.

Of course out side this very controlled environment I am still struggling with my same demons, but I do feel like a kid again.

So, are there health risks involved, for sure. But the same can be said of being 30 kilos overweight, taking beta blockers everyday for the rest of your life, and chewing Viagra like candy just to get a half ass woody.

By the way, I am injecting the testosterone every other day. I am trying to get my level up to between 1000 and 1200.

My goal is to die by getting shot in the back at the age of 99 by a jealous husband while drilling his wife and leaving a check to pay my funeral expenses that gets returned "Insufficient Funds".

I came into this world broke via pussy and I am going out the same way, I hope![/QUOTE]Although you didn't ask, I'm going to butt in here.

The colon cleanse thing is an absolute fraud. This idea stems from Victorian era medicine. Back then some doctors were convinced that you built up loads of undigested food in your lower intestine, etc. , etc. , and the only way to purge these "toxins" is by laxatives, high colonics, etc. And in like 100% of "testimonials" the patient claims that tons of weird junk flushed out of their colon. "Wow! Old cornflakes. I haven't eaten cornflakes in 10 years. " That sort of thing.

Of course, that was before the endoscope. Now a doctor can shove one of these miracle devices up your ass and look around. And guess what? No caked on crud. No old cornflakes. Nada. Zip. Zilch. The colon is an amazing self-cleaning device. About the only exception would be if you had a bad case of diverticulosis. But people do NOT have 20 - 30 pounds of waste cluttering up their colon. Sorry, just ain't true.

If you feel better, it's a good thing, and more power to you. I'm posting this in case somebody else reads it and thinks there's something to this so-called therapy.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1678476]Dude, go get an oily. Snow White, Mango, or Cherry. Don't waste your time in GoGos. Overpriced in every sense.[/QUOTE]I would have absolutely marched back there the next night and barfined somebody else. Dayum. 3000+ baht for nothing? "Oh, I'm tired. Oh, I need to get back and dance. " WTF? A session with Rosy Palm sounds better.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1678539]Although you didn't ask, I'm going to butt in here.

The colon cleanse thing is an absolute fraud. This idea stems from Victorian era medicine. Back then some doctors were convinced that you built up loads of undigested food in your lower intestine, etc. , etc. , and the only way to purge these "toxins" is by laxatives, high colonics, etc. And in like 100% of "testimonials" the patient claims that tons of weird junk flushed out of their colon. "Wow! Old cornflakes. I haven't eaten cornflakes in 10 years. " That sort of thing.

Of course, that was before the endoscope. Now a doctor can shove one of these miracle devices up your ass and look around. And guess what? No caked on crud. No old cornflakes. Nada. Zip. Zilch. The colon is an amazing self-cleaning device. About the only exception would be if you had a bad case of diverticulosis. But people do NOT have 20 - 30 pounds of waste cluttering up their colon. Sorry, just ain't true.

If you feel better, it's a good thing, and more power to you. I'm posting this in case somebody else reads it and thinks there's something to this so-called therapy.[/QUOTE]Like you do not believe in stuff like that but to each his own whatever works for you. For me every year or so I take three days and just eat fruits and thereafter it comes right out? Personally I'm due for my colon checkup soon.

As for that other stuff unless you test count is really low I stay away from that stuff, just found a friend who took it for his reason now he's got cancer!

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1678539]Although you didn't ask, I'm going to butt in here.

The colon cleanse thing is an absolute fraud. This idea stems from Victorian era medicine. Back then some doctors were convinced that you built up loads of undigested food in your lower intestine, etc. , etc. , and the only way to purge these "toxins" is by laxatives, high colonics, etc. And in like 100% of "testimonials" the patient claims that tons of weird junk flushed out of their colon. "Wow! Old cornflakes. I haven't eaten cornflakes in 10 years. " That sort of thing.

Of course, that was before the endoscope. Now a doctor can shove one of these miracle devices up your ass and look around. And guess what? No caked on crud. No old cornflakes. Nada. Zip. Zilch. The colon is an amazing self-cleaning device. About the only exception would be if you had a bad case of diverticulosis. But people do NOT have 20 - 30 pounds of waste cluttering up their colon. Sorry, just ain't true.

If you feel better, it's a good thing, and more power to you. I'm posting this in case somebody else reads it and thinks there's something to this so-called therapy.[/QUOTE]Spot on. And in fact colonics can be a dangerous thing. Want to clean yourself out? Take some Epsom salts. Will do just as good a job.

[QUOTE=DarkSmurf;1678296]Hi guys,

I'm in Bangkok right now (until Sunday) so if anyone wants to meet up do drop a pm, I'll login for a few minutes every day. I'll post full reports of my experiences when I get time.

Anyways, a quick question. Anyone encountered Russian ladyboys? Or ladyboys who could pass for Russian / central asian? I was just outside and on the main sukhumvit road, roughly opposite majestic suite I was propositioned by a "Russian girl" who had dark hair, fairly tall, wearing black framed glasses. She had a fairly deep voice and altho a nice body her chin looked kinda manly. Her asking price was only 1,000 Baht for 3 hours which is also suspiciously low.[/QUOTE]My general rule is that if you think it might be a ladyboy it probably is. And 1000 baht for 3 hours is crazy from any one these days. My guess is something more will take place like a knock on your head or a drug in your drink. I would stay away from whatever it is.

I once had swiped my CC at a Pattaya Establishment called Galaxy (Not a place to go in Thailand) for a lap dance. My bank called on the International No and blocked my card saying it may be misused later. They issued a new card by the time I went back home. That was the first and last time I ever took a chance with my CC. As fellow ISGians suggested its better to cash and carry with this hobby.

[QUOTE=Flammable;1678090]Hi all,

First time visitor soon to Bangkok and Pattaya and I was wondering if massage and soapy establishments more often than not accept credit card?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

I have just returned from a nearly 3 week stay in Thailand. I hope this trip report will add something different to what is usually shared.

Through my previous trips I realized that I enjoy more when I can spend a few days with a girl. Some BMs report from time to time about the online dating sites. On another forum I have read extensive discussions on how it can be very fruitful but only if you live in Thailand. I decided to give it a go any ways. I figured, if nothing came out of it, then I could always fall back on oilies, soapies, the freelancers and go-gos!! I setup a profile and starting making contacts about 6 weeks ahead of my trip. I created a standard message and sent it to any girl that looked interesting. Most of the girls probably receive a lot of messages and I figured that it was best to send messages to only those who were online. In most cases they almost immediately read the message and replied (or not). I logged in at least 2-3 times a day. Must confess, it did take a fair bit of time and effort.

I made it clear from the beginning that I was not looking for a serious relationship. Given the strong bias against the Indians in Thailand, I also made it very clear in my profile that I am British Indian, and if anyone had any issues with that then not to bother!

I would say about 60% of the girls with whom an initial contact got made just fell off. The conversation didn't go that far or wasn't interesting. With the girls where there was interest, I asked for their Line ids and it was much easier to chat there. The one downside of the dating websites is that one does not know how many dates it will take before the girl sleeps with you, or if she will even sleep with you! That's been one the most frequently stated reasons for why the sites don't probably work for short time visitors. I just made sure that I pushed it just enough with the girls I was chatting to and it was amazing how quickly it becomes clear which way it will go. I think I lost a few good ones as a result of this approach but by the time I landed in BKK, I had 8 girls that I was sure would sleep on the first date and few more maybes. Interestingly, I never met 2 of the 8 girls and the girl that I ended up spending most time with was on my 'not sure' list.

In terms of how these girls looked, I would say the looks varied from 6-9. The sex varied from awesome to mind blowing with each one of them. They felt genuinely into it. With the girls I spent longer time with, I did not have to initiate it each time. Even when we were outside doing other things, some of the girls were very naughty but very discreet. In fact that made it all the more fun. They would talk dirty, or just brush their hands discreetly. One of the girls had me finger her when we were watching a movie, and at the same time they would all act very 'proper' in public. It really created some great sexual tension which would then end up in passionate love making. It really felt like being with a real girlfriend in the early stages of a relationship.

I was amazed how little it took to sleep with these girls. A dinner and some drinks in a decent place was good enough! Most did show interest in going away on a short holiday and I made it very clear I was not planning on doing that and that was not a show stopper at all! I did treat the girls to nice restaurants and bars but no money was ever exchanged. I am also amazed by the capacity Thai girls have for partying. To be able to get drunk and be up till 3 am and then go to work at 8 am!!

The girl I spent the most time with was 24, beautiful, spoke fluent English and Spanish, had a university degree, worked in an office and was super horny each day first thing in the morning!! I still cannot for the life of me figure out why she would want to spend all that time with me. It was clear to her that I was not going to get into a relationship, she could easily get guys to sleep with her. But who am I to complain!

It was a little bit of a challenge juggling all these girls but because I had not made rigid plans it all worked out pretty well in the end! Of the 19 days in Thailand I ended up spending all the time in Bangkok because there were all these girls to play with. Went on some amazing 'dates', had great conversations, watched movies, went to restaurants that I would not venture to on my own, places where I was the only non-Thai, and did many naughty things as well! The girls being at work during the day gave me time to sleep in and do some of my own work as well!

I did make a couple of trips to Nana and Cowboy, but did not bar fine anyone. I found Spankys to be most fun. Just did not feel like visiting any of the massage parlours. I took 2 girls from Climax and sampled twice from The Den. I really liked the Den, very well done and the quality of girls definitely better than the beer garden. All the girls gave great service but must say that compared to the TF girls, these girls felt too professional. Maybe I have been spoilt!

So in a nutshell, I would agree that TF would work much better if one was living in Thailand but with a little bit of prep and work it can work for the 2 week millionaires as well! I have been back for two days. To be honest, I feel quite lost. Just want to take a flight back to Thailand! Any tips on how get over this hang over will be much appreciated.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1678539]Although you didn't ask, I'm going to butt in here.

The colon cleanse thing is an absolute fraud.[/QUOTE]Spoken like a true Republican!

[QUOTE=DarkSmurf;1678435]Day 1:

So a disappointing couple days so far, and my monies getting eaten away on overpriced booze already! Tomorrow I'm thinking of trying a soapy instead, from what I've read the environment may be more suited to my taste (I. E. Where I feel relaxed and know how much time I'll get and what I'll spend. I would always choose good sex with a hot girl over cheap sex any day but all this wading through ladyboys and buying lady drinks that come to nothing really annoyed me today).[/QUOTE]Mate,

I would highly recommend visiting Climax and sample some free lancers from there. It closes at 3 am. The going rate is 3000 bhat for an overnight and 2000 for ST. There may be some exceptions, but that's what I ended up with most of the times. They will usually quote more, but stick to your guns and every single time they agree. I would suggest making it very clear whether you are looking for ST or LT. Its on Soi 11, basement of Ambassdor Hotel. Sleeping alone two nights in a row in Bangkok must be a punishable offence Hope the rest of your trip goes great!

[QUOTE=Simian;1678366]13 Kilos in 4 weeks? That is the sort of weight loss that folks who have a duodenal bypass achieve! If you gained a lot of muscle (which weighs a lot more than fat), you probably lost the equivalent of even more kilos of fat. I am sure (or hope) you know the risks of such severe weight-loss which can only be brought about by extremely low calorie diet, in your case in conjunction with a very punishing muscle building regime. Throwing some testosterone supplementation on top of that at the same time could have serious effects on your body long term, especially depending on whether you supplemented with pills or using other delivery systems. I hope that you are just joking about this. But if not, I hope for your sake that you are under the care of a medic given the effect this kind of behaviour can have on your heart and liver, let alone anything else.[/QUOTE]You speak like one these fearful mainstream doctors that to a 110 Kg obese would recommend "reducing calories intake and moderate exercise". My ass. The only thing that this guarantees is that the person would remain an (obese) patient for life.

Anything from 10 Kgs above ideal weight can be effectively solved with one approach only: bootcamp. 13 Kgs in 4 weeks is a little above 3 Kgs a week, thatis definitely achievable. Well done El Vagabundo, even for testosterone taking, now you can be proud of you achievements while Simian thinks of a ways of arranging his belly folds without hurting himself.

[QUOTE=DarkSmurf;1678435]So a disappointing couple days so far, and my monies getting eaten away on overpriced booze already! Tomorrow I'm thinking of trying a soapy instead, from what I've read the environment may be more suited to my taste (I. E. Where I feel relaxed and know how much time I'll get and what I'll spend. I would always choose good sex with a hot girl over cheap sex any day but all this wading through ladyboys and buying lady drinks that come to nothing really annoyed me today).[/QUOTE]Your trip announcement says you'll be in Bangkok until Feb 8, are you interested in checking out the Thai places near Saphan Kwai? I'm in Bangkok this weekend and solo, but I don't speak Thai, so it might be easier for two unintelligible foreigners to get along with the Thais than just one.

Let me know if you want to go Friday, Feb 7, tomorrow night.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1678539]Although you didn't ask, I'm going to butt in here.

The colon cleanse thing is an absolute fraud. This idea stems from Victorian era medicine. Back then some doctors were convinced that you built up loads of undigested food in your lower intestine, etc. , etc. , and the only way to purge these "toxins" is by laxatives, high colonics, etc. And in like 100% of "testimonials" the patient claims that tons of weird junk flushed out of their colon. "Wow! Old cornflakes. I haven't eaten cornflakes in 10 years. " That sort of thing.

Of course, that was before the endoscope. Now a doctor can shove one of these miracle devices up your ass and look around. And guess what? No caked on crud. No old cornflakes. Nada. Zip. Zilch. The colon is an amazing self-cleaning device. About the only exception would be if you had a bad case of diverticulosis. But people do NOT have 20 - 30 pounds of waste cluttering up their colon. Sorry, just ain't true.

If you feel better, it's a good thing, and more power to you. I'm posting this in case somebody else reads it and thinks there's something to this so-called therapy.[/QUOTE]Just to second this opinion, if you want to cleanse your colon, you can do what they do to patients prior to an colonscopy (when the specialist wants to check your colon for cancer and polyps, which is to put you on a cleansing medication (such as sodium picosulfate but there are a number of others in use in different countries) along with a boiled chicken diet for a prescribed number of days (usually a day or two) - your colon will be as clean as a whistle after that.

Yes, you will feel really good after a colon cleanse but the one involving the medication is easier, quicker and safer.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1678713]You speak like one these fearful mainstream doctors that to a 110 Kg obese would recommend "reducing calories intake and moderate exercise". My ass. The only thing that this guarantees is that the person would remain an (obese) patient for life.

Anything from 10 Kgs above ideal weight can be effectively solved with one approach only: bootcamp. 13 Kgs in 4 weeks is a little above 3 Kgs a week, thatis definitely achievable. Well done El Vagabundo, even for testosterone taking, now you can be proud of you achievements while Simian thinks of a ways of arranging his belly folds without hurting himself.[/QUOTE]Your interest in my body is totally one-way, ONG! I have no interest in sharing what you imagine my belly to be (including your obsession with the imaginary belly folds) with you.

I simply expressed concern for El V and gave my reasons. Apart from the danger to his organs and his life, the problem with what you term "bootcamp" is that he will "yoyo" back to his original weight pretty quick. El V took my friendly concerns like a gentleman while you acted the troll.

By the way, someone can be 110 kilos and not be obese if he has sufficient height to lower his body-mass index below 30. But then I am sure you knew that anyway, ONG, didn't you.

[QUOTE=Simian;1678805]Your interest in my body is totally one-way, ONG! I have no interest in sharing what you imagine my belly to be (including your obsession with the imaginary belly folds) with you.

I simply expressed concern for El V and gave my reasons. Apart from the danger to his organs and his life, the problem with what you term "bootcamp" is that he will "yoyo" back to his original weight pretty quick. El V took my friendly concerns like a gentleman while you acted the troll.

By the way, someone can be 110 kilos and not be obese if he has sufficient height to lower his body-mass index below 30. But then I am sure you knew that anyway, ONG, didn't you.[/QUOTE]I'm happy to disagree with you and your trite arguments.

I absolutely cannot believe what I'm seeing in this thread! Bangkok is one of the top mongering destinations in the world, and here we have people bickering back and forth about proper techniques for weight loss and cleansing of the colon! Really? Can we please get back on topic? If you want to argue about colon cleansing, can we at least make it relevant? Perhaps like, what a tute who intends to offer anal must do in order to prepare her anus for anal sex. Aahahahahaha!

[QUOTE=Tptp76;1678670]I have been back for two days. To be honest, I feel quite lost. Just want to take a flight back to Thailand! Any tips on how get over this hang over will be much appreciated.[/QUOTE]Welcome to the club.

I may physically be out of Thailand but Thailand can not go out of my mind. This is one of the sweetest hangover that you could latch on to till next trip. I see my colleagues whining about their married life everyday, I see below average girls treating their boyfriends like trash, I see terrible oppression of male species everyday and my Thailand hangover never goes away.

On a serious note, I have been searching for a software engineer jobs in Thailand, only thing that has dissuade me is pathetic salary offered in comparison with my current earnings. I dream of opening my own company with headquarters in Bangkok. .

[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;1678840]Welcome to the club.

I may physically be out of Thailand but Thailand can not go out of my mind. This is one of the sweetest hangover that you could latch on to till next trip. I see my colleagues whining about their married life everyday, I see below average girls treating their boyfriends like trash, I see terrible oppression of male species everyday and my Thailand hangover never goes away.

On a serious note, I have been searching for a software engineer jobs in Thailand, only thing that has dissuade me is pathetic salary offered in comparison with my current earnings. I dream of opening my own company with headquarters in Bangkok. .[/QUOTE]If you are American you can do that without too many problems. US citizens are the only ones that can own a company 100% without a Thai partner under the treaty of amity. The only obligation is to employ 4 local Thais for every Farang employee. And you have to put in a minimum investment of THB 3,000,000 which however can be used as working capital later.

Easy!

[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;1678840]
On a serious note, I have been searching for a software engineer jobs in Thailand, only thing that has dissuade me is pathetic salary offered in comparison with my current earnings. I dream of opening my own company with headquarters in Bangkok. .[/QUOTE]This is a typical reaction from guys who visit SE Asia for the first time for a few weeks and then realize how dull and boring their life is "back home". You said Thailand DJ but the same thing happens for newbies in Philippines too (and probably other places like Vietnam).

I did lots of short-term work in Thailand and Philippines in a previous life in Australia and when the opportunity to work in Philippines (but on a foreigner salary) was offered to me I took it very eagerly (for the same reasons as no doubt you want a job here too).

That was 18 years ago. I am still here, but ONLY because of the work. My area of work is stimulating and challenging and I am helping the locals develop in many ways; none of my pleasure in staying here has anything to do with mongering.

If I didn't have my daily work, I would go crazy.

You eventually realize you are living in a country with a different culture completely. Everything is different, and the novelty soon wears off.

Going back home for a holiday becomes one of life's greatest events to look forward to.

There has to be a better reason for displacing yourself from a good well-paid job than the availability of beautiful women. You honestly need to consider a whole host of other factors, none of which seem very important at first but gradually become more and more important the longer you stay here.

Guys,

I have read back about 11 pages of posts, and I hope I don't get flamed for posting this, but I need some advice as of Jan 2015. I am finally planning my trip to Thai in March to April this year. I plan to work during the day and stay about 30 days.

Ideally, I would like to go out regularly to clubs, drink some, party some, P4P some, etc. And also explore the city like a normal tourist. I've lived outside the US for about 10 years throughout Latin America, so I am comfortable outside of the US. But, I've never been further east than Germany.

Anyway I was thinking to get an apartment in the area called "Sukhumvit Road" which from my understanding is one of the nicer parts of the city. The apartment I found runs $700 USD for about 30 days and includes internet, gym, etc. Can someone tell me, if they were to say in BK, is this a good spot? And the price?

Also, I am younger and prefer some nightlife and also maybe want to hit the soapy things, MP's and I would love to find a place that is a large brothel / bar 24 x7 that has other English-speaking guys I could fall back on. I have no issue of finding a "GF" or two, but if I don't find what I'm looking for P4P p is an option.

I'm not wanting to travel all over the country mainly just because I want to chill for a month without traveling but also have fun 24 x7 (days or nights) depending on work. Maybe 2-3 chill drinking nights a week, 2 party nights, and then some touristy stuff.

So. My questions are: 1) area of town, 2) USD costs of MP's, bars, etc (no street walker types. I'm into the model types), 3) subway vs. Taxi, etc.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Tptp76;1678670]I have just returned from a nearly 3 week stay in Thailand. I hope this trip report will add something different to what is usually shared.

Through my previous trips I realized that I enjoy more when I can spend a few days with a girl. Some BMs report from time to time about the online dating sites. On another forum I have read extensive discussions on how it can be very fruitful but only if you live in Thailand. I decided to give it a go any ways. I figured, if nothing came out of it, then I could always fall back on oilies, soapies, the freelancers and go-gos!! I setup a profile and starting making contacts about 6 weeks ahead of my trip. I created a standard message and sent it to any girl that looked interesting. Most of the girls probably receive a lot of messages and I figured that it was best to send messages to only those who were online. In most cases they almost immediately read the message and replied (or not). I logged in at least 2-3 times a day. Must confess, it did take a fair bit of time and effort.

I made it clear from the beginning that I was not looking for a serious relationship. Given the strong bias against the Indians in Thailand, I also made it very clear in my profile that I am British Indian, and if anyone had any issues with that then not to bother!

I would say about 60% of the girls with whom an initial contact got made just fell off. The conversation didn't go that far or wasn't interesting. With the girls where there was interest, I asked for their Line ids and it was much easier to chat there. The one downside of the dating websites is that one does not know how many dates it will take before the girl sleeps with you, or if she will even sleep with you! That's been one the most frequently stated reasons for why the sites don't probably work for short time visitors. I just made sure that I pushed it just enough with the girls I was chatting to and it was amazing how quickly it becomes clear which way it will go. I think I lost a few good ones as a result of this approach but by the time I landed in BKK, I had 8 girls that I was sure would sleep on the first date and few more maybes. Interestingly, I never met 2 of the 8 girls and the girl that I ended up spending most time with was on my 'not sure' list.

In terms of how these girls looked, I would say the looks varied from 6-9. The sex varied from awesome to mind blowing with each one of them. They felt genuinely into it. With the girls I spent longer time with, I did not have to initiate it each time. Even when we were outside doing other things, some of the girls were very naughty but very discreet. In fact that made it all the more fun. They would talk dirty, or just brush their hands discreetly. One of the girls had me finger her when we were watching a movie, and at the same time they would all act very 'proper' in public. It really created some great sexual tension which would then end up in passionate love making. It really felt like being with a real girlfriend in the early stages of a relationship.

I was amazed how little it took to sleep with these girls. A dinner and some drinks in a decent place was good enough! Most did show interest in going away on a short holiday and I made it very clear I was not planning on doing that and that was not a show stopper at all! I did treat the girls to nice restaurants and bars but no money was ever exchanged. I am also amazed by the capacity Thai girls have for partying. To be able to get drunk and be up till 3 am and then go to work at 8 am!!

The girl I spent the most time with was 24, beautiful, spoke fluent English and Spanish, had a university degree, worked in an office and was super horny each day first thing in the morning!! I still cannot for the life of me figure out why she would want to spend all that time with me. It was clear to her that I was not going to get into a relationship, she could easily get guys to sleep with her. But who am I to complain!

It was a little bit of a challenge juggling all these girls but because I had not made rigid plans it all worked out pretty well in the end! Of the 19 days in Thailand I ended up spending all the time in Bangkok because there were all these girls to play with. Went on some amazing 'dates', had great conversations, watched movies, went to restaurants that I would not venture to on my own, places where I was the only non-Thai, and did many naughty things as well! The girls being at work during the day gave me time to sleep in and do some of my own work as well!

I did make a couple of trips to Nana and Cowboy, but did not bar fine anyone. I found Spankys to be most fun. Just did not feel like visiting any of the massage parlours. I took 2 girls from Climax and sampled twice from The Den. I really liked the Den, very well done and the quality of girls definitely better than the beer garden. All the girls gave great service but must say that compared to the TF girls, these girls felt too professional. Maybe I have been spoilt!

So in a nutshell, I would agree that TF would work much better if one was living in Thailand but with a little bit of prep and work it can work for the 2 week millionaires as well! I have been back for two days. To be honest, I feel quite lost. Just want to take a flight back to Thailand! Any tips on how get over this hang over will be much appreciated.[/QUOTE]Excellent report on how you incorporated the dating sites and line app. Frankly what you did has been done by many before you. These girls get tons of messages from guys with planned holidays in Thailand. Even though you were very straight forward with the girls in the back of their mind they have the word sponsor. The power of the pussy can convince many a man to do things out of the norm like falling in love with a working girl or FL, or office girl / part time FL, even just the serial farang daters. Anyways great report.

Guys,

I am a semi-regular visitor to BKK, heading to town next weekend (about a year since my last trip) and having read most of the recent reports, I am concerned that quality in the gogos seems to be going way down. I have basically concluded that I should be hitting Baccara, Sharks and particularly Crazy House. I am sorry to hear Rainbow 4 has gone downhill, and that Nana Plaza seems a shadow of its former glory. Given the poor reports on Soi Cowboy and Nana, I am even considering going to Pat Pong to check out Bada Bing and Pagoda. I used to really like Safari. About 15 years ago. Anyway, if anybody can suggest a gogo with a strong line up of hot young girls, other than the above, I would appreciate it. I prefer LT to ST, and love a threesome, as long as its quality.

Thanks in advance,

Gonzo8

[QUOTE=Gorgon;1676762]Tango and wechat. Some pics / profiles show up with numbers and suggestive invitations. Scams or what is the hooker protocol for these apps? Looking for starved matures or compensated dating so not really in to romancing collage girls.[/QUOTE]Stay away from those profiles. Talk with the normal looking ones. Scan their photos to know more about them and look for English speakers compared to Thai speakers. I have had the most luck with the profiles in Thai language.

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I have a simplest of the questions or doubts like, there are so many beer gardens in Sukumuvit area right? One I know is Soi 5 Guillvers beer garden?

Where are the others & which Sois?

Is the below one Soi 5 Beer Garden? Please throw some light fellow members.

Cheers and stay horny.

[QUOTE=Tptp76;1593241] That afternoon I happened to cross Beer Garden. Just popped in, out of curiosity and I think punting will never be the same for me again! Met the most amazing girl ever, and no I am not in love!

I got a drink, sat down and looked around didn't see anyone that interested me till I saw this girl sitting with a few friends in the corner towards the back. Went upto her and sat next to her. Given my brown skin was met with a little apprehension. But once I spoke I guess she figured my accent, asked me where I was from and when I said London suddenly seemed to relax. Later on we had some great conversations about Indians in Bangkok. But I guess enough has already been discussed about it here. Her name is Nok and she usually works from the BG. Is 5 ft5 ish, Chinese origin, good English, very sexy body, great ass and amazing friendly person. She agreed for 1500ST. We walked back to the hotel and then after the showers, the fun began. Another superstar in bed. Lots of kissing, great BBBJ, lovely sex and responds amazingly to DATY. Was full of very natural maoning and screaming and even came a couple of times. When we finished, it was around 5 pm and because I was having a great time. (Including some great conversations) with her I asked her for LT. She asked 3000 and I agreed.


Once again, thanks guys for answering all the questions, sharing your experirnces. If I can help in any way. Would love to![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;1678814] we have people bickering back and forth about proper techniques for weight loss and cleansing of the colon! Really? Can we please get back on topic? If you want to argue about colon cleansing, can we at least make it relevant?[/QUOTE]Not exactly the condition of my colon, but my / our over all sexual health and how it relates to banging chicas. In my day, probably before you knew what wood was for, 3 chicas a day was not unreasonable. Overtime, things change and I want to be there again. Those of us who are, shall I say, a little long in the tooth, are discussing, not bickering issues of health.

Who knows, some of the girls I banged last month could be the granddaughters of girls I banged the first time I was in the land of smiles.

You could be from the drip that got away, my child!

So do not sell us so short.

[QUOTE=MikeKelimir;1678916]Guys,

I have read back about 11 pages of posts,[/QUOTE]Read 100 pages and you'll know it all.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1678931]Excellent report on how you incorporated the dating sites and line app. Frankly what you did has been done by many before you. These girls get tons of messages from guys with planned holidays in Thailand. Even though you were very straight forward with the girls in the back of their mind they have the word sponsor. The power of the pussy can convince many a man to do things out of the norm like falling in love with a working girl or FL, or office girl / part time FL, even just the serial farang daters. Anyways great report.[/QUOTE]I did not get the sense at all with any of the girls that sponsorship was the target (or maybe they are so smooth that it will come much much later!) and that's why I cannot figure out why do they do this? Is it for a good meal and drinks? That does not sound right. Maybe the more experienced that throw some light?

[QUOTE=PrinceRaj2126;1678968]I have a simplest of the questions or doubts like, there are so many beer gardens in Sukumuvit area right? One I know is Soi 5 Guillvers beer garden?

Where are the others & which Sois?

Is the below one Soi 5 Beer Garden? Please throw some light fellow members.

Cheers and stay horny.[/QUOTE]The one I mentioned in my post is the one on Soi 7. I think that is 'The Beer Garden' and my understanding is that that is the place being referred to when people say BG.

[QUOTE=MikeKelimir;1678916]Anyway I was thinking to get an apartment in the area called "Sukhumvit Road" which from my understanding is one of the nicer parts of the city. The apartment I found runs $700 USD for about 30 days and includes internet, gym, etc. Can someone tell me, if they were to say in BK, is this a good spot? And the price?[/QUOTE]Sukhumvit Road runs from the centre of Bangkok to the border of Cambodia and is one of the longest roads in Thailand. So your appartment "on Sukhumvit Road" could almost be anywhere in Bangkok, all the way up to the outskirts and far beyond.

[QUOTE=MikeKelimir;1678916]Guys,

I have read back about 11 pages of posts, and I hope I don't get flamed for posting this, but I need some advice as of Jan 2015. I am finally planning my trip to Thai in March to April this year. I plan to work during the day and stay about 30 days.

Ideally, I would like to go out regularly to clubs, drink some, party some, P4P some, etc. And also explore the city like a normal tourist. I've lived outside the US for about 10 years throughout Latin America, so I am comfortable outside of the US. But, I've never been further east than Germany.

Anyway I was thinking to get an apartment in the area called "Sukhumvit Road" which from my understanding is one of the nicer parts of the city. The apartment I found runs $700 USD for about 30 days and includes internet, gym, etc. Can someone tell me, if they were to say in BK, is this a good spot? And the price?

Also, I am younger and prefer some nightlife and also maybe want to hit the soapy things, MP's and I would love to find a place that is a large brothel / bar 24 x7 that has other English-speaking guys I could fall back on. I have no issue of finding a "GF" or two, but if I don't find what I'm looking for P4P p is an option.

I'm not wanting to travel all over the country mainly just because I want to chill for a month without traveling but also have fun 24 x7 (days or nights) depending on work. Maybe 2-3 chill drinking nights a week, 2 party nights, and then some touristy stuff.

So. My questions are: 1) area of town, 2) USD costs of MP's, bars, etc (no street walker types. I'm into the model types), 3) subway vs. Taxi, etc.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]We may have another one here. Young, handsome, well-off guy is going to snowball Bangkok. Set up shop in a nice apartment and start dating Thai models. As a last resort he'll consider paying. :)

Maybe you didn't mean to come off sounding like that, but it did give me a chuckle.

First, as Wolfie said, Suk is a very, very, long street. Sort of like saying you have an apartment somewhere on Wilshire Blvd. You'll need the cross-street or at least the name of the neighborhood for us to make any intelligent recommendation as far as your apartment goes.

It sounds like you're asking for something like the Sportsman's Lodge in San Jose, or the equivalent in the DR. There are no 24 x7 bar / brothels with resident English speakers in BKK. Although you wouldn't know it by Pattaya Soi 6, brothels are illegal in Thailand. About your best bet would be to become a regular at one of the various "English" or "Irish" pubs. The wisdom of that could be debated, but at least you'll be able to mingle with English speakers.

Meeting and bedding Thai models may be a bit more of a challenge. You'll not find any in the Farang bars. You may have some luck with the various on-line sites and apps. The Thai venues will have the best lookers, overall, but you'll probably need to have some proficiency in the language. The genuine Hi-so model types probably won't give a Farang the time of day, unless you're driving a high-end BMW.

I'm not sure how you're going to do a lot of "touristy" stuff without traveling around. None of it's going to come to you. There's stuff to see in BKK, but, frankly, if you've seen one wat, you've seen them all. If you limit your sightseeing to weekends, you'll have enough in BKK to keep you occupied for, maybe, a month. Any more often and you'll need to travel outside of the city.

So, to answer you questions:

1. Need more specifics.

2. The MP threads are full of pricing.

3. If your destination is anywhere near a BTS or MRT station, use them. Otherwise you'll have to use a taxi. Unless you do have the high-end BMW.

[QUOTE=MikeKelimir;1678916]Anyway I was thinking to get an apartment in the area called "Sukhumvit Road" which from my understanding is one of the nicer parts of the city. The apartment I found runs $700 USD for about 30 days and includes internet, gym, etc. Can someone tell me, if they were to say in BK, is this a good spot? And the price?

Also, I am younger and prefer some nightlife and also maybe want to hit the soapy things, MP's and I would love to find a place that is a large brothel / bar 24 x7 that has other English-speaking guys I could fall back on.[/QUOTE]If you are on Sukumvit, just make sure you are near either Nana or Asoke Stations. Then you are in the middle of nightlife, you can walk to hundreds of bars and restaurants. In Thailand, all these massage parlours are basically big brothels. You pick a girl in a fish bowl or outside of fish bowl called sideline girls then you go up to the rooms. You can eat drink and screw all inside the parlours. You like high end model types, many parlours on Ratchada Road, Rama 9 Road, and Petchaburi Road will have many model class girls, many parlours also have special catalogues with models pictures and profiles, they can call them for your viewing.

You need to research these parlours, simply too many to name them. But you are in Sukumvit, you are always short taxi ride from all these massage parlours. The sideline to model class girl cost about 2500-6000.

There are also so many so called oily massage places, many near Phrom Phong station near Emporium also on Sukumvit, they are not as fancy as these big massage parlours, but offer full service, also can find some nice model types, many have their websites, you should read the massage sections. Lots of store infos and lady infos.

Don't worry about English, all these venues get tons of foriegn customers a day, many parlours get mostly foreigners, and some oily places even foriegners only. If you have a higher budget, P4P can be quite enjoyable in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=MikeKelimir;1678916]I was thinking to get an apartment in the area called "Sukhumvit Road" which from my understanding is one of the nicer parts of the city. The apartment I found runs $700 USD for about 30 days and includes internet, gym, etc. Can someone tell me, if they were to say in BK, is this a good spot? And the price?[/QUOTE]

Sukhumwit Road starts in central Bangkok and goes on for several hundred kilometers all the way to the Cambodian border. $700 (23 k baht) is not cheap, if price is a concern, passable accommodation can be found for 8 k-18 k baht. Do not commit to anything before seeing it, and checking out the neighborhood. Hotels can be cheap here, and staying in a hotel for a week first (while you look for a more permanent place) is a good investment.

Regarding your other questions, there are very, very few model types in the foreigner-oriented nightlife industry (freelancers, oilies, bars). Most of the women in that segment are well in the bottom 30% of Thai women by looks. Sure, high-end prostitutes exist, but they'd mostly be in Thai oriented venues... providing so-so service at relatively high prices (3k-10k baht/h, often just one shot), and usually not speaking great English.

Please be careful about telling newbies to take taxi to places without explaining the commission / kickback system that might apply.

Also, don't be scared of the BTS.

[QUOTE=MikeKelimir;1678916]
So. My questions are: 1) area of town, 2) USD costs of MP's, bars, etc (no street walker types. I'm into the model types), 3) subway vs. Taxi, etc.
[/QUOTE]1. Lower Sukhumvit. This means the west end of the street, the area between the Phloen Chit skytrain station and Thong Lo station. The BTS skytrain makes it very easy to getup and down the street while laughing at the traffic below, but you can actually walk this whole area in not too much time. Nana Plaza is near the Nana station, Soi Cowboy is near the Asoke station, there are oilies near Thong Lo, and Soi 33 has what's left of the hostess bars named after impressionist painters.

2. USD costs: Converting from thb to usd is easy; it's a touch over 30 baht to the dollar. This means 300 thb (basic massage) is a little under ten bucks. Typical short-time prices are 1000 to 2000 thb (figure $30-60) depending on situation and negotiating skills. Soapies and oilies will run higher but the prices are posted and you can do the math easily. Plan to tip.

3. BTS Skytrain and MRT Subway are clean, fast, safe, and cheap. San Saep canal transit boats and Chao Phraya transit boats are very, very cheap and a good way to do some sightseeting while getting around. Taxis are cheap and very underpaid, so drivers are motivated to scam you. Do not tell them the name of your destination, but rather the general location, demand that they use the meter, and then be nice and add a tip. Tuk-tuk drivers are unpredictable, most are scammers who will divert you to gem and rug shops unless you're Thai.

HTH.

[QUOTE=Gonzo88;1678933]Guys,

I am a semi-regular visitor to BKK, heading to town next weekend (about a year since my last trip) and having read most of the recent reports, I am concerned that quality in the gogos seems to be going way down. I have basically concluded that I should be hitting Baccara, Sharks and particularly Crazy House. I am sorry to hear Rainbow 4 has gone downhill, and that Nana Plaza seems a shadow of its former glory. Given the poor reports on Soi Cowboy and Nana, I am even considering going to Pat Pong to check out Bada Bing and Pagoda. I used to really like Safari. About 15 years ago. Anyway, if anybody can suggest a gogo with a strong line up of hot young girls, other than the above, I would appreciate it. I prefer LT to ST, and love a threesome, as long as its quality.

Thanks in advance,

Gonzo8[/QUOTE]I would not say that any of the gogos that I visit from time to time were overall very good but the thing is that we all have different tastes and most gogos have at least a couple decent girls. And all we need at any one time is one. Or two. Occasionally three. You just have to be patient and look around.

[QUOTE=Gorgon;1679553]Please be careful about telling newbies to take taxi to places without explaining the commission / kickback system that might apply.

Also, don't be scared of the BTS.[/QUOTE]Agreed. No point in being scared of the BTS or MRT, they are efficient and easy to use. Also, google maps has BKK charted out really well, so even if one gets lost or wants to give general instructions to the cabbie, its easy to find your way back.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1678713]You speak like one these fearful mainstream doctors that to a 110 Kg obese would recommend "reducing calories intake and moderate exercise". My ass. The only thing that this guarantees is that the person would remain an (obese) patient for life.

Anything from 10 Kgs above ideal weight can be effectively solved with one approach only: bootcamp. 13 Kgs in 4 weeks is a little above 3 Kgs a week, thatis definitely achievable. Well done El Vagabundo, even for testosterone taking, now you can be proud of you achievements while Simian thinks of a ways of arranging his belly folds without hurting himself.[/QUOTE]As a matter of fact I think anything radical is the answer. I'm old enough and know enough people that have tried everything from cleanses to pills to operations. I have a friend that did lipo. Yeah it worked for about six months. What they don't tell you is the time after the operation is a sort of boot camp in itself. He's back to the weight he was. Operations work but you got to change your lifestyle. Ad why would you want to put your body through that stress at your age? Makes no sense. There's no better way to slim down that stepping away from the table. Putting the cheeseburger down. I eat enough fro two people. Seriously! But it's more a function of what I eat. Breakfast: High in protein and sugar. But the sugar isn't from donuts. It's from fruit, and plenty of it. My body knows what to do with it. Very efficiently. Most of my protein comes from stuff like eggs, and chicken. Yes I'll have a few pieces of bacon and a pancake periodically but not often. I even get McDonalds every once in a while. Maybe once a month. Love Big Macs and the fries are damn good. I drink but not every day. I get the once in a while pizza and wash it down with a beer. I also walk. I'm in Singapore right now. Ate a huge breakfast and then went touring for four hours. Stopped back at the hotel and had a bit of ham and a small salad. I'll walk more this afternoon and then eat a big dinner. High in protein and some vegetables or more fruit. I'm 57,5'11" weigh about 180, which is maybe 5 lbs over my ideal but I stay within the 175-185 range as long as I do what I just described. I veered from that about 10 years ago and I was up to 195 in 3 months. My cholesterol is perfect. Slight hypertension but I think that's a hereditary thing. I watch my salt intake and all is good. The problem with processed shit is there is so much sugars, fats, and salts, and in the form that confuses your body. Another misconception is all this diet food. Your body has no way to differentiate sweet. It' treats anything your mouth that tastes sweet the same way. Starts a process. An apple your body knows how to process. I'm thinking twinkle gets stored as fat as your body is confused. (guess on my part).

As in most things in life there are no quick fixes. You got to put work into anything. Hunting pussy too.

Now back to pussy. Wrong forum but I visited Geylang in Singapore last night. Lot's of availability both in the houses and the streets. The street stuff was kinda rough. I suppose if you wait there's always the diamond that will pop up. I've not seen many here or in BKK. Pattaya, yes. Had quite a few of them last year. Going to take a break for a few days. I've been on the road for over a month. I'll be back in Mikati or AC soon and want to conserve a little of that energy for this cute little honeys before I finally head back to the arctic circle like place I call home.

Well maybe I'll take a break. The only time I ever fail at moderation is with pussy. I'm not sure that's that bad of a thing. As long as one keeps it in perspective. No falling in love with bar girls.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1679841]As in most things in life there are no quick fixes. You got to put work into anything. Hunting pussy too.[/QUOTE]Agree 100%. Lifestyle changes are the only answer. Anything radical will only last so long. I am 49 yrs old, 5'11, and I weight 77 kgs or 170 lbs. Been at this weight for the better part of 20 years. Before that I was a bit thinner. Been in the gym religiously since '94 and have always been careful with food a bit. At one point I got up to 82 kg because I was hitting the beer 5 nights a week. Now it is a max of two drinks once or twice a week, and if I cannot drink craft beer, top shelf spirits, or good wine I pass altogether. Choices; that's what it is all about.

[QUOTE=Tptp76;1679185]The one I mentioned in my post is the one on Soi 7. I think that is 'The Beer Garden' and my understanding is that that is the place being referred to when people say BG.[/QUOTE]You are correct. "The" beer garden by excellence is the one in soi 7. 100 mtrs on the left from the Sulhumvit junction.

Go there before it disappears.

I have strange feelings it won't be up for too long se the whole area has been dumped for reconstruction, maybe one more mall?

Girls are up and down there. Some old timer, some young just off the bus from Issan and poor English. Prices should be 1000 b. For ST. Sometime less, sometime you want to tip them afterwards?

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1679815]Agreed. No point in being scared of the BTS or MRT, they are efficient and easy to use. Also, google maps has BKK charted out really well, so even if one gets lost or wants to give general instructions to the cabbie, its easy to find your way back.[/QUOTE]And buy a Rabbit Card, prepaid. You can relate any amount, works fine and audio. No need to que up to get your ticket, after having sufficient coins. I keep one since two or three years. Always working even if there is a 5-6 months pause between one trip and the other.

[QUOTE=Gonzo88;1678933]Guys,

I am a semi-regular visitor to BKK, heading to town next weekend (about a year since my last trip) and having read most of the recent reports, I am concerned that quality in the gogos seems to be going way down. I have basically concluded that I should be hitting Baccara, Sharks and particularly Crazy House. I am sorry to hear Rainbow 4 has gone downhill, and that Nana Plaza seems a shadow of its former glory. Given the poor reports on Soi Cowboy and Nana, I am even considering going to Pat Pong to check out Bada Bing and Pagoda. I used to really like Safari. About 15 years ago. Anyway, if anybody can suggest a gogo with a strong line up of hot young girls, other than the above, I would appreciate it. I prefer LT to ST, and love a threesome, as long as its quality.

Thanks in advance,

Gonzo8[/QUOTE]Arrived in Bangkok last night and was really haggard after several days of partying in Hong Kong. Had a couple of beers outside Tilac bar in Soi Cowboy and suddenly got the idea that I should visit an old favourite of mine; Sharks. Must say the quality here is just top class. I can hardly think of any go-go that can match them. Even Happy and Baccara.

In Pattaya will struggle in this competition. I go there often and the quality is also consistent. Last night I was almost sober. So I do not view it with "beer eyes" every night! What is there not to like in this bar? I see no "average" ladies. They are all beautiful! No big bellies, no mothers with stretchmarks. Just top notch young pussy! And they are fun to talk to as well. Waiters that do not push drinks is also a bonus. Barfine is 600 bath but I was just to tired to try anything this night. If you know any better place in SC please tell me.

[QUOTE=Tptp76;1679184]I did not get the sense at all with any of the girls that sponsorship was the target (or maybe they are so smooth that it will come much much later!) and that's why I cannot figure out why do they do this? Is it for a good meal and drinks? That does not sound right. Maybe the more experienced that throw some light?[/QUOTE]It could be one of the below reasons:

1) Girl is very smooth operator and you will pay big time later.

2) You are her "get out of thailand" card (Visa sponsorships).

3) She is one of those serial farang daters for whom having farang boyfriend is status symbol.

4) She is just as much bored of single life as you and wanted to fuck away the pain.

5) She just want to taste something different.

6) She is really in love with you.

I also don't get why my thai girlfriend is still my girlfriend. These are mysteries of life that one should enjoy but not investigate.

[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;1680025]It could be one of the below reasons:

1) Girl is very smooth operator and you will pay big time later.

2) You are her "get out of thailand" card (Visa sponsorships).

3) She is one of those serial farang daters for whom having farang boyfriend is status symbol.

4) She is just as much bored of single life as you and wanted to fuck away the pain.

5) She just want to taste something different.

6) She is really in love with you.

I also don't get why my thai girlfriend is still my girlfriend. These are mysteries of life that one should enjoy but not investigate.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your response. Yes those are all possibilties. But your last line is top notch wisdom! Cheers!

Going to Thailand for the first time. Been to Costa Rica, Cartagena Co, Sosua DR 4 Times, Puerto Rico once. Is there a Google map for both Bangkok and Pattaya that is in circulation. Its my birthday trip so my friend and I want to stay close to the action in Bangkok and Pattaya so we don't spend our entire vacay in taxi trying to get somewhere. Something fairly modern but not too pricey 1500 Baht max a nigh and close to the action. Can anyone make a recommendation.

I thank you in advance.

[QUOTE=NavDude;1680121]Going to Thailand for the first time. Been to Costa Rica, Cartagena Co, Sosua DR 4 Times, Puerto Rico once. Is there a Google map for both Bangkok and Pattaya that is in circulation. Its my birthday trip so my friend and I want to stay close to the action in Bangkok and Pattaya so we don't spend our entire vacay in taxi trying to get somewhere. Something fairly modern but not too pricey 1500 Baht max a nigh and close to the action. Can anyone make a recommendation.

I thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]I stay at PJ WaterGate (Not WaterGate) in Pratunum Bangkok. Nice hotel for Thailand- Remember the level of standards are much less then Western countries. Average about 1300 THB. Close to shopping and not to far from Nana Plaza 10 minutes by BTS.

Safe mongering.

[QUOTE=NavDude;1680121]Going to Thailand for the first time. Been to Costa Rica, Cartagena Co, Sosua DR 4 Times, Puerto Rico once. Is there a Google map for both Bangkok and Pattaya that is in circulation. Its my birthday trip so my friend and I want to stay close to the action in Bangkok and Pattaya so we don't spend our entire vacay in taxi trying to get somewhere. Something fairly modern but not too pricey 1500 Baht max a nigh and close to the action. Can anyone make a recommendation.

I thank you in advance.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?oe=UTF8&source=embed&ie=UTF8&msa=0&mid=zaqzsApeE0tY.k6cbW5nDvHi8[/URL]

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?msa=0&mid=zyeWgDmL3bl8.kENMZcTGTj-c[/URL]

Not too hard to do, just look at the map and pick a girl friendly hotel in your price range.

[URL]http://www.bargirlfriendlyhotels.com/bangkok-girl-friendly-hotels/[/URL] (click on pattaya for the pattaya hotels).

[QUOTE=NavDude;1680121]Going to Thailand for the first time. Been to Costa Rica, Cartagena Co, Sosua DR 4 Times, Puerto Rico once. Is there a Google map for both Bangkok and Pattaya that is in circulation. Its my birthday trip so my friend and I want to stay close to the action in Bangkok and Pattaya so we don't spend our entire vacay in taxi trying to get somewhere. Something fairly modern but not too pricey 1500 Baht max a nigh and close to the action. Can anyone make a recommendation.

I thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]All you have to do is NOT to read the "Bangkok and Pattaya hotels" respective section. And be careful NOT not purchase a forum membership, so that you will have no access to private message, and your postings will be delayed.

Basically you want to stay near Sukhumvit Road, the main drag, anywhere from Soi 2 (Nana) to Soi 23 (Asok / Cowboy) up to Soi 39/ Soi 26 (Phrom Phong) and all the oily massage shops). Read the BKK hotel forum for more specific hotel recommendations.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?oe=UTF8&gl=au&ll=13.729943,100.567389&ie=UTF8&msa=0&spn=0.014549,0.018775&z=16&hl=en&mid=zSwFcBcbnzww.ktUBr9Cd5bKI[/URL]

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?oe=UTF8&gl=au&ll=13.747722,100.567474&ie=UTF8&msa=0&spn=0.214099,0.299377&z=12&hl=en&mid=zjzhsbPblLuU.kq8MVd2CjycA[/URL]

[QUOTE=DarkSmurf;1678435]Day 1:

So I arrived Tuesday morning and made my way to the hotel via the air link train to Makkasan and then a cab the rest of the way. Arrived about midday-ish and shown to my room. Despite being tired I didn't rest long, unpacked a few bits, showered, had a snack and went out to get money exchanged, get sim card and look around. After some food at Soi Arab looked for a shop to buy some cheap booze, I only see some 7/11's nearby and small bottles of branded spirits really aren't much cheaper than the hotel so some pointers on where to get good prices on booze would be nice, I'm not into trying local beer as I'm not a big drinker and would rather stick to what I know.

After this I retired to hotel to shower and change, had a couple vodka with red bull and had a look around the Nana area before heading into nana itself. By now it was about 10 pm and I surveyed the ground floor as I walked by the GoGos I spotted Rainbow 2, having heard good things about the Rainbow GoGos I decided to make this my first stop but as I approached a man stopped me and said it was members only. I don't believe this but I guess it could be because I'm of Indian origin (albeit born and raised in the UK), I would have thought the fact that I speak perfect English with a strong British accent would make that obvious but I guess this guy was an idiot..[/QUOTE]I have seen Indians let in at Rainbow 2. The girls love them. Rainbow 4 I've seen many Indians be blocked from going inside.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1680134]All you have to do is NOT to read the "Bangkok and Pattaya hotels" respective section. And be careful NOT not purchase a forum membership, so that you will have no access to private message, and your postings will be delayed.[/QUOTE]We were all newbies before so maybe I will give this answer a shot.

[QUOTE=NavDude;1680121]Going to Thailand for the first time. Been to Costa Rica, Cartagena Co, Sosua DR 4 Times, Puerto Rico once. Is there a Google map for both Bangkok and Pattaya that is in circulation. Its my birthday trip so my friend and I want to stay close to the action in Bangkok and Pattaya so we don't spend our entire vacay in taxi trying to get somewhere. Something fairly modern but not too pricey 1500 Baht max a nigh and close to the action. Can anyone make a recommendation.

I thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]Ok so let's see. I suggest you go to booking dot com and search for your hotels in Thailand, great service. Secondly please read through the forums hotel sections for Pattaya and Bangkok. Many members have recommended and posted regarding the best choices. Thirdly contribute enough to the forum to be awarded a senior level membership so you can exchange messages with the rest of us regarding your questions or purchase the $25 dollar yearly membership. Please don't get discouraged by some of the members telling you to read in a sarcastic way. Actually for a newbie it is really overwhelming and with all the useless dribble, bickering, and unrelated posts it is sometimes easier to just ask rather than read through so much. Cheers mate and happy mongering.

[QUOTE=JohnnyBangkok;1680131]I stay at PJ WaterGate (Not WaterGate) in Pratunum Bangkok. Nice hotel for Thailand- Remember the level of standards are much less then Western countries. Average about 1300 THB. Close to shopping and not to far from Nana Plaza 10 minutes by BTS.

Safe mongering.[/QUOTE]Good second post sir. Way to start off posting in a positive manner. Keep contributing!

[QUOTE=NavDude;1680121]Going to Thailand for the first time. Been to Costa Rica, Cartagena Co, Sosua DR 4 Times, Puerto Rico once. Is there a Google map for both Bangkok and Pattaya that is in circulation. Its my birthday trip so my friend and I want to stay close to the action in Bangkok and Pattaya so we don't spend our entire vacay in taxi trying to get somewhere. Something fairly modern but not too pricey 1500 Baht max a nigh and close to the action. Can anyone make a recommendation.

I thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]I've stayed at the Majestic Suites, on main road at corner of Soi 4. If you book in advance you should get a room for less than 1500 baht and its definitely one of the better 3 star hotels I've stayed in, also right opposite Soi Arabe so a variety of cuisines available within a short walk and BTS Nana station 6 minutes walk away.

[QUOTE=DarkSmurf;1678435].....good things about the Rainbow GoGos I decided to make this my first stop but as I approached a man stopped me and said it was members only. I don't believe this but I guess it could be because I'm of Indian origin (albeit born and raised in the UK), I would have thought the fact that I speak perfect English with a strong British accent would make that obvious but I guess this guy was an idiot.

.....Guy tells me the policy was brought in "last week" and that I can simply become a member for 1,200 Baht. HELL NO! [/QUOTE]The policy definitely wasn't brought in last week. I was quoted THB 1000 to enter Rainbow 4 two years ago, after I was told its members only, LOL (I didn't pay of course). There are several reports across the pages which indicate that Rainbow clubs are not Indian friendly. Atleast, Rainbow 4 definitely isn't. Rainbow 2 (I think) which is next to Spanky's on the first floor you can have better luck, several times I noticed the entrance not being manned by anyone, thus quick entry and exit if required.

Many here believe that Rainbow girls are surgically done up with nose jobs, boob jobs et al thus plasticy. I have never been inside so can't comment. Wonder if you are really missing anything?

Also, a note of caution, the idiots manning the entrance to these clubs can be hopped up on drugs and are prone to violence (a couple of such reports which report physical harm can also be found on the forum), so better to not get aggressive with them and move on or better still avoid entirely.

I have been a long time lurker on this forum and have gotten a lot of great info about Thailand and the Philippians during the last 2-3 years. I my report is not too long.

A while back someone posted a link to a website and I ended up reading a few page till I ended up here [URL]http://afarangabroad.com/find-thai-girlfriend[/URL].

I am not on a huge salary in Aus and with the AUD going down I need to spend my money a little more wisely than spending 1,000-2,000 in various afterhours night clubs. The person who manages that site also echos what people say on here about finding Thai girls online, here is my experience.

I recently just left after a 2 week trip and spend most of my time in Bangkok and Phuket. Two weeks before my flight I signed up to Thai Friendly and decided to check it out. I am in my mid 40's but look a lot younger, I don't get a lot of attention for girls in Australia but can usually do okay once I get talking. I uploaded one picture and got a few messages. I read online that the more better dressed you look the better reaction your profile will get. I took a few more pictures with me in a shirt and saved, next thing I know I was getting 10-15 messages a day. Pretty good even for a old fart like me.

I started sorting though the messages and saw a few girls I like.

#1 - the first girl met me at the airport after we chatted for a while on skype. She was a nice girl but her English was pretty bad (we text chatted on Skype). The taxi ride to my hotel was really awkward as she hardly said a word, we got some food and she hardly spoke a word. I decided to call it a night but she wanted to come back with me to my room. Anyway I won't go into details with what happened.

#2 - The second girl I met up in Terminal 21 (mall) and her English was a lot better and I had 100% more fun. The girl seemed bubbly and flirty and said she worked some office job. I meet her again a few days a later and a bar, we had some drinks and she asked if she could come back to mine because as she lived far away and taxis for women are dangerous at night. You can guess what happened. This girl was a bit older and afterwards she was madly in love with me or maybe it was lust. She kept wanting to meet me everyday but I enjoy time alone, in the end I felt a bit guilty and spent more time then I would have liked with this girl. She was sweet and even paid her share of the bills expect when we went somewhere pricey and I thought it was only right that I pay the bill given their low salaries.

I think in total I was talking to around girls, a few of them flaked or just stopped chatting to me for no reason after a few days, I am not sure what the deal was there. I would have liked to meet more but girl #2 took most of my time. While I think the level of sex is better in massage if you are looking for cheaper ways to get laid in Bangkok online works well and I am not that good looking. I feel I spent too much time on these dating sites and it would be great if there was a middle man who manged your account and setup the dates for you. I spent the first week talking to any who messages me but half of the girls have a poor grasp and its hard to get anything good going.

Just wanted to let everyone know of my experiences and give a little back since you have helped me over the years find a few gems that otherwise I would never have known about.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1680230]We were all newbies before so maybe I will give this answer a shot.[/QUOTE]You're welcome. There is a difference between being newbies and asking for no good reason.

[QUOTE=Rob65;1680423]I have been a long time lurker on this forum and have gotten a lot of great info about Thailand and the Philippians during the last 2-3 years. I my report is not too long.

A while back someone posted a link to a website and I ended up reading a few page till I ended up here [URL]http://afarangabroad.com/find-thai-girlfriend[/URL].

I am not on a huge salary in Aus and with the AUD going down I need to spend my money a little more wisely than spending 1,000-2,000 in various afterhours night clubs. The person who manages that site also echos what people say on here about finding Thai girls online, here is my experience.

I recently just left after a 2 week trip and spend most of my time in Bangkok and Phuket. Two weeks before my flight I signed up to Thai Friendly and decided to check it out. I am in my mid 40's but look a lot younger, I don't get a lot of attention for girls in Australia but can usually do okay once I get talking. I uploaded one picture and got a few messages. I read online that the more better dressed you look the better reaction your profile will get. I took a few more pictures with me in a shirt and saved, next thing I know I was getting 10-15 messages a day. Pretty good even for a old fart like me...[/QUOTE]Where did you find the gems. Soi 7 Beer Garden?

[QUOTE=ActionOriented;1680406]The policy definitely wasn't brought in last week. I was quoted THB 1000 to enter Rainbow 4 two years ago, after I was told its members only, LOL (I didn't pay of course). There are several reports across the pages which indicate that Rainbow clubs are not Indian friendly. Atleast, Rainbow 4 definitely isn't. Rainbow 2 (I think) which is next to Spanky's on the first floor you can have better luck, several times I noticed the entrance not being manned by anyone, thus quick entry and exit if required.

Many here believe that Rainbow girls are surgically done up with nose jobs, boob jobs et al thus plasticy. I have never been inside so can't comment. Wonder if you are really missing anything?

Also, a note of caution, the idiots manning the entrance to these clubs can be hopped up on drugs and are prone to violence (a couple of such reports which report physical harm can also be found on the forum), so better to not get aggressive with them and move on or better still avoid entirely.[/QUOTE]I think you are mistaking Baccara for Rainbows. Sorry but I don't see the barmen as junkies. I doubt management would allow that-just for business reasons.

Once I did see a R4 door guy get aggressive but that was after a Ippun threw the first punch.

Badoo, Tagged, Skout, Tango-Hi 5, and We-Chat all have apps for google play and IOS. If you want to snag the non pros, semi pros, and freebies follow these simple rules. Be polite, speak some basic Thai, don't ask for naked photos or sex chat, and don't ask them to meet right away. Build a rapport so the ladies trust you. Switch to Line application as soon as possible. Thai ladies consider this as sacred as giving their number up. Once you get their line ID you are almost there. Once they let their guard down you will be surprised how many will pay you a late night visit for a booty call. But never talk about sex openly. Just invite them over to talk, watch a movie, or to cuddle. Do your searches when near popular locations like Sukomvit, Ratchada, or. Lat. Phrao, however you can find ladies playing all over Bangkok. We chat has a distance limit depending on the number of users playing in your area. The less users, the farther the distance. My top 2 apps for success are We chat and Skout. Bottom line guys, don't act like a sex crazed nymphomaniac. The pros will have naked photos and are easy to spot with status messages like call girl or no money no honey. Stay away from them. They operate similar to the. CL girls, mostly scams. Stick with the non pros or semi pros. I usually hook up with about 2 girls per week. They usually just pop by my place late night to cuddle 55555

Thanks to Bkkdg I had hooked up with non pros through online dating apps and website this is a small update about we chat usually pros and pimps are online on we chat after midnight they are looking for clients desperately lately some gal pinged me on we chat stating she wants to see me was quoting 5 k I negotiated to 2.5 k for the night she agreed and told me to send my hotel address and room number! She was so adamant that she would meet me at my room I insist that I wait near Nana bts as it is only 1 min walk from my hotel!! I'm a experienced monger I know how things work in Bangkok, and am very cautious as I'm travelling alone I waited for 5 min and one taxi arrived with three girls one hottie got down from the taxi and greeted me she was not the same girl as the pic she shared through we chat and God grace some Thai guy came behind me and said she is a lady boy run!! She no girl "lady boy run run" thank god I showed the pic to the girl she took the next taxi and went away so please be aware be very cautious if your travelling lot many FR with pic is coming I will post everything in details once I get back home.

So newbies just be aware never give your hotel address or room number to anyone and when you're taking a girl from the club get to know her well before taking to your hotel always opt for St and tell the the girl I will take you full night if your nice so the girl will take extra effort to please you I never take fun I always fool them LOL.

Its 5 am that douche-bag pimp spoiled my good night sleep.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1680951]Badoo, Tagged, Skout, Tango-Hi 5, and We-Chat all have apps for google play and IOS. If you want to snag the non pros, semi pros, and freebies follow these simple rules. Be polite, speak some basic Thai, don't ask for naked photos or sex chat, and don't ask them to meet right away. Build a rapport so the ladies trust you. Switch to Line application as soon as possible. Thai ladies consider this as sacred as giving their number up. Once you get their line ID you are almost there. Once they let their guard down you will be surprised how many will pay you a late night visit for a booty call. But never talk about sex openly. Just invite them over to talk, watch a movie, or to cuddle. Do your searches when near popular locations like Sukomvit, Ratchada, or. Lat. Phrao, however you can find ladies playing all over Bangkok. We chat has a distance limit depending on the number of users playing in your area. The less users, the farther the distance. My top 2 apps for success are We chat and Skout. Bottom line guys, don't act like a sex crazed nymphomaniac. The pros will have naked photos and are easy to spot with status messages like call girl or no money no honey. Stay away from them. They operate similar to the. CL girls, mostly scams. Stick with the non pros or semi pros. I usually hook up with about 2 girls per week. They usually just pop by my place late night to cuddle 55555[/QUOTE]Can we see transcripts on what you say to gain a girls confidence. No lying I hope. Why would a good girl go to a strangers hotel to Kuddle-makes no sense other than Thai girls are stupid.

[QUOTE=Goodle;1680670]I think you are mistaking Baccara for Rainbows. Sorry but I don't see the barmen as junkies. I doubt management would allow that-just for business reasons.

Once I did see a R4 door guy get aggressive but that was after a Ippun threw the first punch.[/QUOTE]No, I know exactly which bar I am talking about. I have been inside Bacarra several times, never been stopped. I have even bar fined a few girls from there. So Bacarra is definitely not the bar I was talking about. There is only one doorman at Bacarra who remains quiet most times.

Rainbow 4 does not allow Indians in, and will first say "Members Only", following which they will say "1000 baht to enter" or some such. I have personally not witnessed any violence at the entrance of Rainbow 4, but if you trawl through earlier reports you will see at least 2 reports which speak of violence where the monger was hurt or caused hurt to the guys at the entrance. The thing about being hopped up on drugs, I can't confirm one way or another, but people do reference it in their reports. Perhaps other members with more information on Rainbow 4 could confirm.

[QUOTE=IAmRamesh86;1681001]Thanks to Bkkdg I had hooked up with non pros through online dating apps and website this is a small update about we chat usually pros and pimps are online on we chat after midnight they are looking for clients desperately lately some gal pinged me on we chat stating she wants to see me was quoting 5 k I negotiated to 2.5 k for the night she agreed and told me to send my hotel address and room number! She was so adamant that she would meet me at my room I insist that I wait near Nana bts as it is only 1 min walk from my hotel!! I'm a experienced monger I know how things work in Bangkok, and am very cautious as I'm travelling alone I waited for 5 min and one taxi arrived with three girls one hottie got down from the taxi and greeted me she was not the same girl as the pic she shared through we chat and God grace some Thai guy came behind me and said she is a lady boy run!! She no girl "lady boy run run" thank god I showed the pic to the girl she took the next taxi and went away so please be aware be very cautious if your travelling lot many FR with pic is coming I will post everything in details once I get back home.

So newbies just be aware never give your hotel address or room number to anyone and when you're taking a girl from the club get to know her well before taking to your hotel always opt for St and tell the the girl I will take you full night if your nice so the girl will take extra effort to please you I never take fun I always fool them LOL.

Its 5 am that douche-bag pimp spoiled my good night sleep.[/QUOTE]I reported about this scam already but I refused to even give my address. I gave a fake address and they showed up to the wrong place. They brought a fake policemen who would have tried extorting money from me. Good job it never even got to that stage with you.

Any one ha e experience with Eva Air, economy class. They have one way, Lax. Bkk for around $400.00 United has the same deal, but the seats on Eva spec out a little larger.

Thanks,

Martin

[QUOTE=Uwillu;1681087]Your report is a pure lie to get people excited. But points for you for trolling.[/QUOTE]Could you explain the logic of your post please? I fail to see it myself? I would not get excited about this situation. I believe this information to be useful for our membership and given the number of ladyboys in Thaialnd and the scams they pull on craigs list, on the streets, and in bars, I tend to believe this story 100%. But thanks for coming out mate!

[QUOTE=Goodle;1681059]Can we see transcripts on what you say to gain a girls confidence. No lying I hope. Why would a good girl go to a strangers hotel to Kuddle-makes no sense other than Thai girls are stupid.[/QUOTE]Well Mr. 4 posts. I certainly wouldn't be doing anything of the kind at the request of you. Maybe after you contribute some useful information though? I tell you what. I will be happy to PM you the information after you have contributed enough to the forum or paid for a subscription so that you can send and receive messages. Deal?

[QUOTE=Goodle;1681059]Why would a good girl go to a strangers hotel to Kuddle-makes no sense other than Thai girls are stupid.[/QUOTE]No, they are not stupid. They are warm blooded sexy women. Apparently you are not used to this from the girls you know back home. Come to Thailand, the PI, and Indonesia and see for yourself. You will never want to leave.

Visit to Bangkok.

I returned from Bangkok two days ago. Stayed at Grande Centre Point hotel across the road from Soi Cowboy. In the afternoon went over to scout out this area. My first impression was that it looked like an area that should be demolished and redeveloped. Did I travel so far to see this?

Later the darkness and bright lights covered up the run down nature of the place.

I went into some of the bars to have a look. All of the girls that I spoke to asked for 3000 bht short time. Short time was defined as the time it takes you to come. One girl said that she would permit me to come twice. Another girl that I bumped into outside the bar asked for 5000 bht. I asked what it would be for short time and she said there is no difference between short time and long time.

I thought that Bacarra had a good number girls sufficiently good looking that I would be happy to take them back to the hotel. I particularly enjoyed the topless dancing upstairs. I bar fined two girls from here on separate occasions. As soon as I pulled them from the bar top the waitress was on me to buy a drink. The bar fine was 600 bht, plus two drinks at 200. Total about 1000 bht to pull a girl from the bar. Both girls performed well in the room but did not want to stay very long after the deed was done. The second girl would not let me into the bathroom or shower with her. Later I noted the ugly scars on her back, probably due to an accident. This did not put me off, however, but it seemed to me that it may be better to pull girls from the topless show in the intermediate level bar at Bacarra. The same girl had the kind of cute but not necessarily stunning looks that I like. Outside of the bar I thought that her complexion was slightly different. The lighting conditions in the bar can make it difficult to make a judgement. Too, when you pull a girl off the bar you do not know what she will turn up wearing. This girl turned up wearing orange coloured pants and top, which I thought a bit garish, and I started to feel a bit embarrassed to take this back to the hotel.

The best place for judging was Suzy Wong where I found, much to my delight, that girls would come onto the bar naked. I pulled one girl from here. The bar fine and drink cost about 750 bht, a bit less than before. The girl asked for 2000 bht for two hours. This was a much better offer than before, so I took it. This girl, name of the, performed well. She allowed me into the shower with her.

After an energetic hour, or more, I made her some tea and gave her a cake, thinking that this would reinvigorate her. Conversely, she fell asleep. I let her sleep past the time, but not for too long. I gave her a good tip.

I also scouted out Nana Plaza. When I was there Rainbow 4 had a good number of attractive young women, most of whom I would have been happy to take back to the hotel.

I intended to try Nataree, but was to tired on my last day.

On those occasions when I walked out with a girl the police were at the end of the soi, but they did not say anything. On two occasions when I walked towards Nana there were two sets of police on the pavement, on the same side as the hotel, but they did not say anything.

Would I return? There appears to be a tendency to a 3000 bht cum once service. Taking into account the cost including bar fines and drinks and currency conversion factors. I can get that level of service where I come from for about the same cost. The 2000 bht, 2 hour service offers more for less. Too, there are hotel and flight costs to consider. It is nice to go somewhere different from your own back yard, but, as an example, I can be in Berlin in less than two hours. There is enough variety there at different levels. In comparison Bangkok is about 12 hours away. Too, Berlin is a more attractive city to visit. It is unlikely that I will return to Bangkok.

[QUOTE=ElVagabundo;1681234]Does anyone have experience with Eva Air, economy class? They have one way, Lax. Bkk for around $400.00 United has the same deal, but the seats on Eva spec out a little larger.

Thanks,

Martin[/QUOTE]I have a lot of experience with EVA over the years. Unfortunately, this is the first year I'll be stuck in Economy on the Transpacific leg. But I found the $1,000 premium between EC and Premium Economy to be ridiculous.

EVA has about the "best" Economy legroom and seat size on the Transpacific routes, save THAI, who has the largest. The other carriers are all variations of cattle cars. The biggest problem with EVA's EC is that it's always packed. And noisy. The Chinese are not a quiet people to begin with. Cram 300 of them together in a flying cigar tube and things can get downright loud.

On the upside, I tend to prefer transferring planes in Taipei rather than Tokyo.

[QUOTE=ElVagabundo;1681234]Does anyone have experience with Eva Air, economy class? They have one way, Lax. Bkk for around $400.00 United has the same deal, but the seats on Eva spec out a little larger.

Thanks,

Martin[/QUOTE]I have flown Eva Air economy, although on a different sector (London-Bangkok) and I had a pleasant experience. I would use it again without hesitation.

[QUOTE=WarmStone25;1681325]Visit to Bangkok.

I returned from Bangkok two days ago. Stayed at Grande Centre Point hotel across the road from Soi Cowboy. In the afternoon went over to scout out this area. My first impression was that it looked like an area that should be demolished and redeveloped. Did I travel so far to see this?

Later the darkness and bright lights covered up the run down nature of the place.

I went into some of the bars to have a look. All of the girls that I spoke to asked for 3000 bht short time. Short time was defined as the time it takes you to come. One girl said that she would permit me to come twice. Another girl that I bumped into outside the bar asked for 5000 bht. I asked what it would be for short time and she said there is no difference between short time and long time.

I thought that Bacarra had a good number girls sufficiently good looking that I would be happy to take them back to the hotel. I particularly enjoyed the topless dancing upstairs. I bar fined two girls from here on separate occasions. As soon as I pulled them from the bar top the waitress was on me to buy a drink. The bar fine was 600 bht, plus two drinks at 200. Total about 1000 bht to pull a girl from the bar. Both girls performed well in the room but did not want to stay very long after the deed was done. The second girl would not let me into the bathroom or shower with her. Later I noted the ugly scars on her back, probably due to an accident. This did not put me off, however, but it seemed to me that it may be better to pull girls from the topless show in the intermediate level bar at Bacarra. The same girl had the kind of cute but not necessarily stunning looks that I like. Outside of the bar I thought that her complexion was slightly different. The lighting conditions in the bar can make it difficult to make a judgement. Too, when you pull a girl off the bar you do not know what she will turn up wearing. This girl turned up wearing orange coloured pants and top, which I thought a bit garish, and I started to feel a bit embarrassed to take this back to the hotel.

The best place for judging was Suzy Wong where I found, much to my delight, that girls would come onto the bar naked. I pulled one girl from here. The bar fine and drink cost about 750 bht, a bit less than before. The girl asked for 2000 bht for two hours. This was a much better offer than before, so I took it. This girl, name of the, performed well. She allowed me into the shower with her.

After an energetic hour, or more, I made her some tea and gave her a cake, thinking that this would reinvigorate her. Conversely, she fell asleep. I let her sleep past the time, but not for too long. I gave her a good tip.

I also scouted out Nana Plaza. When I was there Rainbow 4 had a good number of attractive young women, most of whom I would have been happy to take back to the hotel.

I intended to try Nataree, but was to tired on my last day.

On those occasions when I walked out with a girl the police were at the end of the soi, but they did not say anything. On two occasions when I walked towards Nana there were two sets of police on the pavement, on the same side as the hotel, but they did not say anything.

Would I return? There appears to be a tendency to a 3000 bht cum once service. Taking into account the cost including bar fines and drinks and currency conversion factors. I can get that level of service where I come from for about the same cost. The 2000 bht, 2 hour service offers more for less. Too, there are hotel and flight costs to consider. It is nice to go somewhere different from your own back yard, but, as an example, I can be in Berlin in less than two hours. There is enough variety there at different levels. In comparison Bangkok is about 12 hours away. Too, Berlin is a more attractive city to visit. It is unlikely that I will return to Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the great TR. Yes, SC and Patpong, much like Las Vegas, look far better at night. I agree with the demolished and redeveloped part.

A lot of bars use a sort of pinkish light to illuminate the girls. It compliments the Isaan skin tone and hides a TON of imperfections. Once you get them into natural light you're often surprised. And yes, isn't it nice to walk down the street, and into your hotel, with a girl wearing clothes that scream "uneducated hooker? :)

You've succinctly illustrated the extremely poor value that go-go bars have become. Why anybody wants to fly half-way around the world (in my case) or 12 hours (your case) for $150 quickies is beyond me. The sooner these anachronisms that are go-go bars go away, the better off we'll all be.

[QUOTE=WarmStone25;1681325]Visit to Bangkok.

I returned from Bangkok two days ago. Stayed at Grande Centre Point hotel across the road from Soi Cowboy. In the afternoon went over to scout out this area. My first impression was that it looked like an area that should be demolished and redeveloped. Did I travel so far to see this?
[/QUOTE]A dirty, disgusting filthy city but at the same time it so alive, never the same thing twice and an amazing people living there. Can't wait to get back there.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1681398]A dirty, disgusting filthy city but at the same time it so alive, never the same thing twice and an amazing people living there. Can't wait to get back there.[/QUOTE]So true. Am here now. Just woke up from a large night. Nana. Spent most of my time at Spankys. Good service. Hands on. I got jerked and felt up the whole time I was in there. I went early and had the joint to myself. It got really busy later. They quoted me 600 BHT bar fine and 2000 for short time. The lady I was with was a typical Issan spinner. Said she was 31, looked 20. Great ass and titties. No baby. I did not follow through, however tipped heavy and was apart of the show with many mongers looking on with my hands on action. Dang I love this dirty, stinky, hot, corrupt city!

Because I missed my United flight from San Francisco to Hong Kong due to a weather delay from my originating airport, I had an opportunity to fly with EVA from SFO. The flight leaves around midnight and decided to take it rather than wait until the next afternoon and fly with United.

The flight was only half full and many passengers selected a seat in the middle aisle and were able to stretch out and sleep by using all the empty seats. This is totally not possible with United as they are usually fully booked for these flights. I had a seat next to the emergency door with no one next to me and had a lot of legroom so it was a comfortable journey. The flight stopped in Tapei before continuing to Hong Kong. The food was good and the service excellent plus, if I recall, the wine was free. I may fly with them on my return as I can earn miles via United since they are both part of Star Alliance.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1681372]I have a lot of experience with EVA over the years. Unfortunately, this is the first year I'll be stuck in Economy on the Transpacific leg. But I found the $1,000 premium between EC and Premium Economy to be ridiculous.

EVA has about the "best" Economy legroom and seat size on the Transpacific routes, save THAI, who has the largest. The other carriers are all variations of cattle cars. The biggest problem with EVA's EC is that it's always packed. And noisy. The Chinese are not a quiet people to begin with. Cram 300 of them together in a flying cigar tube and things can get downright loud.

On the upside, I tend to prefer transferring planes in Taipei rather than Tokyo.[/QUOTE]

Its easy to hook up online only thing you need some skills to talk there are semi pros who like to earn extra income check out yourself you would not what I'm talking about! Some people are colour blind that doesn't mean rainbows doesn't exist!

[QUOTE=Goodle;1681059]Can we see transcripts on what you say to gain a girls confidence. No lying I hope. Why would a good girl go to a strangers hotel to Kuddle-makes no sense other than Thai girls are stupid.[/QUOTE]

So I noticed a couple of Rainbow 1 girls who went to Rainbow 4 are now back at Rainbow 1.

Unless you are a bonafide moneymaker changing from one Rainbow to another is futile. The Rainbow bars have a lot of fierce competition.

Perhaps a Mediocre Rainbow girl, if wanting to increase income, should go to a Suzy Wongs type establishment where the girls are kinda mainly hard to look at. Hahahaha.

Why you would I lie about the scams happening in Bangkok? What do I get from it??

I think you are some kinda horny nut crack head who can't hook up with a decent chick even if you pay them! Get a life mate no one is paying me to write reports over here in ISG I'm just trying to help!

[QUOTE=Uwillu;1681087]Your report is a pure lie to get people excited. But points for you for trolling.[/QUOTE]

I have already posted a screen shot of my conversation with a Thai chick who's currently my guide! See those site works you need some skills to talk to a girl out of 50 girls 20 will be non pros college students or working women! It works for me check my previous post you can see the screen shot I have attached!

[QUOTE=Goodle;1681059]Can we see transcripts on what you say to gain a girls confidence. No lying I hope. Why would a good girl go to a strangers hotel to Kuddle-makes no sense other than Thai girls are stupid.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1681380]The sooner these anachronisms that are go-go bars go away, the better off we'll all be.[/QUOTE]You once again have me scratching my head (Craig's list in Mexico as a viable option to BKK, etc.) and though I suspect the real anachronism is your recent post (s) in this thread, I'll bite.

So just how am I better off without go go's in BKK?

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1681712]You once again have me scratching my head (Craig's list in Mexico as a viable option to BKK, etc.) and though I suspect the real anachronism is your recent post (s) in this thread, I'll bite.

So just how am I better off without go go's in BKK?[/QUOTE]Don't mind the closed minded liberal. If he don't like it he don't want you to like it.

I don't like oilies that offer anal with hard lookers but I don't want them to go away. A lot of guys like doing anus with fugly girls. Hahahahaha. T o each his own.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1681463]Because I missed my United flight from San Francisco to Hong Kong due to a weather delay from my originating airport, I had an opportunity to fly with EVA from SFO. The flight leaves around midnight and decided to take it rather than wait until the next afternoon and fly with United.

The flight was only half full and many passengers selected a seat in the middle aisle and were able to stretch out and sleep by using all the empty seats. This is totally not possible with United as they are usually fully booked for these flights. I had a seat next to the emergency door with no one next to me and had a lot of legroom so it was a comfortable journey. The flight stopped in Tapei before continuing to Hong Kong. The food was good and the service excellent plus, if I recall, the wine was free. I may fly with them on my return as I can earn miles via United since they are both part of Star Alliance.[/QUOTE]Fellas, keep this information quiet! I flown nearly every Airline going to the Far East in the last 30 plus years, either full fare or on a Airline discount. I started using Eva Airlines 10 years ago and even after all those years I have never had a problem with any of their staff, never seen a flight crew get bend out of shape on a flight no matter. A few years back I had to fly home for a emergency and when it was time to return to Thailand, I got the date mixed up and show up on the wrong day. The flight was full but the manager moved things around and got me a seat in Deluxe economy without even taking my miles. Although they have changed many of the structure of their fares like other Airlines, usually the cheapest fare does not give miles any longer if you obtain so many segments you are issue a Silver card to use their clubs and that itself is worth obtaining especially the club out of Bangkok and Taipei.

Your experience out of SFO, is unusual since every flight I have used for the last few years have been full requiring me to purchase at full fare ticket instead of a standby pass. Whatever method they use to determine the best airline in the world. Eva I believe was voted once in the last ten years. I believe that itself is a shame! Flying into Taipei in the winter can be at times scary and only once that the landing was scary but from my experience their pilots seem to be well trained.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1681463]
plus, if I recall, the wine was free. I may fly with them on my return .[/QUOTE]Its a sad commentary on the state of airlines when its remarked that the wine was free. Or should we say, included in price of the ticket.

Thankfully I have very few US flights these days. But have seen no end of city to city flights in US where the attendant will pass the guy in 1 A a box of donuts and tell him to take one and pass it on. And that qualifies in US airlines as "service ".

Asian airlines generally understand what service and passenger comfort is. US airlines have no idea what those words begin to mean.

[QUOTE=IAmRamesh86;1681623]I have already posted a screen shot of my conversation with a Thai chick who's currently my guide! See those site works you need some skills to talk to a girl out of 50 girls 20 will be non pros college students or working women! It works for me check my previous post you can see the screen shot I have attached![/QUOTE]Don't mind this guy who has popped out of the woodwork with only a few posts. He does not really help anyone or post anything of any interest. If I had to guess I would say he is a past member who is using a new account for obvious reasons. Anyways I got your PM about clubs in Bangkok. I know exactly what you are talking about. Check your PM. I will elaborate for any newbies here in Bangkok. If you are looking for a similar clubbing experience as Pattaya in Bangkok, your best bet is Climax inside the Ambassador hotel on soi 11. Get there before midnight so you can watch all the hotties strole in. Stay away from Mixx in Bangkok. Nothing like the Pattaya one. The old Insomnia club at suk soi 12 is also a good second choice. The smaller bars on soi 4 operate similarly to the beer bars in Pattaya. They are all owned by the Climax group. The soi 7 beer bar is a hit amd miss these days. Many older ladies. But if you go around 8 PM you can score a young hot newbie girl who wants to get an early start. She will love to avoid the late night bars. At these places the prices are much more in line with Pattaya for the girls. This has worked for me countless times. However recently I have been scoring so much on the mobile chat apps that I have given up going to the bars.

Mongers,

Last night was spent at Soi Cowboy. Oh my Buddha!

Very quiet in Tilac, also very expensive. Ohhhh the Angels in there. Coyotes of course, some nice bar staff wanting to come back to my loom for no charge, was not not focused. Dang!

Was told by one of the waitresses that she love lady too and would double up on a dude like me for minimal BHT, again had too many San Mig with lemon. Mamoooth was asleep.

I love this dirty, stinking, filthy. Beautiful city.

Long live The King!

Thoughts on Tilac.

Haven't been there but once. Very clean and spiffy looking-prolly due to the fact no customers. Hahhaa! Times must be really tough if staff is willing to go for minimal amounts.

This sounds so interesting. I am also Indian origin from USA. If you don't mind of asking, which forum has more discussions about online dating, which website you used to create your profile? Can you send me some more details.

[QUOTE=Tptp76;1678670]I have just returned from a nearly 3 week stay in Thailand. I hope this trip report will add something different to what is usually shared.

Through my previous trips I realized that I enjoy more when I can spend a few days with a girl. Some BMs report from time to time about the online dating sites. On another forum I have read extensive discussions on how it can be very fruitful but only if you live in Thailand. I decided to give it a go any ways. I figured, if nothing came out of it, then I could always fall back on oilies, soapies, the freelancers and go-gos!! I setup a profile and starting making contacts about 6 weeks ahead of my trip. I created a standard message and sent it to any girl that looked interesting. Most of the girls probably receive a lot of messages and I figured that it was best to send messages to only those who were online. In most cases they almost immediately read the message and replied (or not). I logged in at least 2-3 times a day. Must confess, it did take a fair bit of time and effort.

I made it clear from the beginning that I was not looking for a serious relationship. Given the strong bias against the Indians in Thailand, I also made it very clear in my profile that I am British Indian, and if anyone had any issues with that then not to bother!t..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ElVagabundo;1681234]Any one ha e experience with Eva Air, economy class. They have one way, Lax. Bkk for around $400.00 United has the same deal, but the seats on Eva spec out a little larger.

Thanks,

Martin[/QUOTE]A few years ago I took EVA Air from Amsterdam-Schiphol to Bangkok. I was very pleased with their upgraded economy class. For a few 100 EUR extra I got a lot more legroom and even better service.

Hi BKK Dog!


Very informative post! Never FL'd in BKK so this is all nice to know.


Do you think that one could use the apps to also score hotties in Pattaya?

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1680951]Badoo, Tagged, Skout, Tango-Hi 5, and We-Chat all have apps for google play and IOS. If you want to snag the non pros, semi pros, and freebies follow these simple rules. Be polite, speak some basic Thai, don't ask for naked photos or sex chat, and don't ask them to meet right away. Build a rapport so the ladies trust you. Switch to Line application as soon as possible. Thai ladies consider this as sacred as giving their number up. Once you get their line ID you are almost there. Once they let their guard down you will be surprised how many will pay you a late night visit for a booty call. But never talk about sex openly. Just invite them over to talk, watch a movie, or to cuddle. Do your searches when near popular locations like Sukomvit, Ratchada, or. Lat. Phrao, however you can find ladies playing all over Bangkok. We chat has a distance limit depending on the number of users playing in your area. The less users, the farther the distance. My top 2 apps for success are We chat and Skout. Bottom line guys, don't act like a sex crazed nymphomaniac. The pros will have naked photos and are easy to spot with status messages like call girl or no money no honey. Stay away from them. They operate similar to the. CL girls, mostly scams. Stick with the non pros or semi pros. I usually hook up with about 2 girls per week. They usually just pop by my place late night to cuddle 55555[/QUOTE]Yup! This is basic common sense stuff. And it works. Thanks for posting.

The only real drawback is that it takes some time and patience. Not sure if going online is the best strategy if you are in town for just a short period of time. But for a long time stay it is gold.

Man I hate you fuckers that get to live in LOS. LOL.

This is my FR from my first time in Bangkok. Mostly just observations. Sorry for the long post.

Having already spent 10 days in Thailand, I already got a feel for what Bangkok might actually be. I've done a lot of research and watched a few videos on the red light districts, and to my surprise, nana plaza, soi cowboy, and patpong were a lot smaller than I originally thought. Bangkok is very famous for it's sex tourism, so I thought those places were going to be huge, but they're not. Their crammed onto a block or two, or crammed into a strip mall. This was shocking to me when I arrived. I walked Bangla road in Phuket and was expecting the same thing. All three combined probably aren't the same size as bangla road. Nana plaza has three floors compact with bars, go go bar, pickup bars, and ladyboy bars. Most of the women here on a Wednesday night werent great looking. I mean, I'm not gay, but the ladyboys were much better looking than the girls, which is pretty sad. Seriously, some of these ladyboys looked like cartoons of women. You have to give it up to these plastic surgeons, they do a pretty damn good job. With the abundance of them, I didn't want to take my chances here. You'll never know who will be honest about their original gender. Anyways, it was a Wednesday night and not much was happening. It was near closing time for most places. The first thai girl I wanted to be with was a girl from Dr. Bjs blowjob bar. She's listed as EE on the website, with her face blocked. But if you search the internet, there's pictures of her full face. I saw this girls a few months back and I had to have this girl. Unfortunately, she wasn't working, and it was around midnight, and everything was closing at around 1 am. I went to go check out loli-tas across the way, and since I was running out of time, I pretty much had to take my pick there.

The girls aren't great looking here. Most are on the chubby side, with ok looking faces. They all were wearing school girl outfits. The most popular girl, who might have had a 7. 5 body, and a 7. 5 was snatched up back to back when I got there. The girl who brought me in was pretty pushy and annoying, but the 2nd best looking out of the whole bunch. One of the girls, who probably had the best body, had a manly looking face. I was almost convinced she was a ladyboy or used to be a man. I even asked the whole group, just to see what kind of response I got from her. And in typical fashion, she answered that they are all women, and always have been. She had to be a man, especially with that face. Time was ticking, and the girl who brought me in was occupied. My choices were 3 chubsters and the man. And then the choice became harder when a group of guys came in. I opted to wait out for the original girl, who's name was Nont, a 32 year old with 1 kid. Luckily, the guy she was with, finished pretty quickly. And I snatched her up before any of the other guys could see her. She took me upstairs into a room, with curtains for privacy. If you guys are into privacy, this is not the place. You will hear everything going on in the next chair, it's literally 1 feet of separation between each chair. You can even see the socks on the feet of everyone being serviced. I have no problem with it, even prefer it because I get to hear all the girls moaning and gagging, while most of the guys were too shy to make a peep, except for me hahaha. She cleans you up and begins right away. It's very mechanical, and no change in technique or anything. She just goes up and down with her head, like if you were jerking yourself. I asked to see and grab her boobs, but she made a big fuss about it. I told her I can cum quicker that way, so she obliged. Her boobs were ok, not big or great looking, but soft and a handful. She didn't like her nipples twisted or squeezed, they were the large saucer types. For another 15 minutes she continues going up and down, doesn't work my boys, doesn't stroke me, nothing. I told her to make eye contact with me while I blew my load in her mouth, she obliged. I emptied out 5 days worth of my cum into her mouth, while she takes the whole thing and maintains deep eye contact while I do it. Takes every last violent drop. She goes to clean up, comes back to clean me up. She asks for a tip, I say no. And go downstairs to pay and be on my way. 800 THB for that, 1200 THB for full service, 1500 THB for 1 hour full service. I had a couple of beers, so damage was 1060 THB. Face: 7 Body: 7 Service: 8.

The next day I opted to check out patpong, and I think it's no longer as the main red light district anymore as there are street vendors in the middle of the street, attracting tourist, backpackers, and families there, rather than the sextourist or sexpats. However, while walking the street you can peep inside many of these places and see what's going on. I wanted to catch a ping pong show, it's on my bucket list. And man, was this a mistake. I don't know why these shows still exist. It's one scam after the other. And it's nonstop for a mediocre show. First, you have to negotiate the price for the show, but you have to establish what you get with the show, what you have to buy, and what you're paying all together. Even then they try to scam you. I paid 400 THB, but I talked to a few others and they only paid between 200-300,1 drink included. I went to the place next to and upstairs from Golden Fingers, I want to say it's Super Pvssy, but not too sure. Once you get in there, all the free ladies come to you and talk you up and ask for drinks, I said no. They bring the drinks anyway, I said no, take them away, I didn't order them. Then after every show, they come around asking for tips. I told them I already paid for a show, I'm not paying anymore. The girls here weren't really attractive, you have a couple who were, but the rest were kind of undesireable. Shows included, ping pong, blowing a horn, writing some words with a crayon, popping balloons with darts, blowing out candles, something with shoe laces, and others that werent too impressive. Some ladyboy, who I thought was a gorgeous girl from far away, came up and asked for a tip for dancing, I asked if she was a lady boy, and she just kept her hand out and said "tip! Tip!" again and ignoring my question, therefore she validated my assumption. I was also told there were no ladyboys here. Luckily, the upside to this whole thing was I met a couple who sat next to me and we became instant friends. We decided to head out to soi cowboy.

At Soi cowboy, we walked a bit to check out the talent, and headed into The Doll House. The place isn't bad, but the drinks were ridiculously priced. For a regular sized singha or chang, was 150 thb. They rotate girls dancing, but they don't really dance. You have some that just don't want to be there at all, to some who are super spunky and trying to get bought for the night. I kept making eye contact with one, and she glanced back at me a few times, but never came over to chat me up. Upstairs, the girls dance on tables in the nude, with less patrons than downstairs. Eventually we headed to Khao san Road to see some of the action.

Khao san road is where the party is at. Mostly tourists are here, drinking, dancing in the street, and doing drugs. Anything and everything can be bought here. I tried out laughing gas for the first time, although a cool experience, lasts only a minute or two. There were also a couple of street walkers hitting up guys for the night. If you've got game and reasonably attractive, you can hook up with local girls who are there looking for foreigners. It's a refreshing change of pace from all of the girls hitting you up just for your money. We eventually left at 4 am because the police cleared the place out at around 3am.

The next day was my last day in Bangkok for a month, so I had to try to be with a thai woman. I headed back to Dr. Bjs, looking for EE. Luckily she was working, however, she was pretty sore from the day before and wasn't offering vip (full service). Imagine my disappointment. She offered to let me be with someone else, but seeing this girl in person and how gorgeous she was, I was okay with settling for a BJ from her. Asked if I wanted a drink, so I yes, and asked if she can have a lady drink, which I also obliged. Be aware though, she didn't take one sip from this drink, I believe they just give her the same drink throughout the night and split the profits from the lady drink. She's tall, about 5'8, thin, beautiful face, big rack (can't tell if real or fake, huge pink saucer nipples though), no kids, and 28. She speaks with a british english accent, and wouldn't tell me her name, didn't want to tell me a fake one. So she said to call her by her I'd tag name, the letter E. Says she only does this part time. All this mysteriousness, has me questioning her true motives and identity. She might be connected to someone important, or trying to hide. Regardless, she takes me upstairs to this tiny room with a chair that used to be for washing hair in beauty salons. The place is not comfortable nor comfortable for her, as she has to kneel on a metal stool with no pad or pillow. She told me how shy she was because of how handsome I was, I'm sure she says that to a lot of people, although I get this a lot from a lot of the girls I session with. After washing my junk, she sits me down and starts with my boys. Oh my goodness, this girl has amazing tongue skills. Probably the best ball job I've ever had. It's soft and delicate and great swirling action. She then goes to work on my little guy. Not as impressive, but that face and body, I'm sure I didn't mind it much. She also didn't like her nipples twisted, and was too shy to take her boobs out, only letting the top out to sit on the bra. I told her if she lets me play with her boobs, I can cum faster, and she told me not to worry, we can take as long as you need. Wow! So she stands up and starts sucking me from the side, so I can play with her butt, boobs, legs, and vajayjay. I was getting excited and was ready to cum. I tell her, and she speeds up the power and motion while moaning. She's doing her tongue swirl on me and my head, and starts to suck while I pound her mouth while grabbing her boobs and playing with her damp pvssy. I eventually explode in her mouth, but unfortunately, most of it got on me, but she kept tongue swirling the head for whatever that cum followed, tasting a lot of my man juice. She cleans me up, and I'm on my way. Damage for the service and 2 drinks: 1240 THB. Face: 8. 5 Body: 8. 5 Service: 8. 5.

I'm a little disappointed with how hard it was to get a session with the girls in Bangkok. I'm not used to having to go to a bar and chatting a girl up and bringing her back to my hotel (I feel unsafe revealing my location to a girl, as well have having her in the same room as my valuables, and lastly, getting dirty looks from the hotel staff and other clients of the hotel). I think Bangkok needs more brothels, and not massage parlors that are secretly brothels. I think I came in with the wrong mentality, high expectations, and bad strategy. I'll be back in 3 weeks to give pattaya a try and Bangkok another try with a whole different strategy. On to Laos!

[QUOTE=Sin2015;1681916]This sounds so interesting. I am also Indian origin from USA. If you don't mind of asking, which forum has more discussions about online dating, which website you used to create your profile? Can you send me some more details.[/QUOTE]Online dating's modus operandi is to woo some thai chick with sweet talk while not letting yourself know that you're self are falling in the trap. After a while it starts with random gifts or money minting incidents then if you still hang in there, she becomes full fledged girlfriend swallowing everything including your life like an emotional wrecking ball.

Free V-Day advice is that nothing is free in life. (I should have paid to get laid like usual. Regretting now LOL).

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1682003]I'm a little disappointed with how hard it was to get a session with the girls in Bangkok. I'm not used to having to go to a bar and chatting a girl up and bringing her back to my hotel (I feel unsafe revealing my location to a girl, as well have having her in the same room as my valuables, and lastly, getting dirty looks from the hotel staff and other clients of the hotel). I think Bangkok needs more brothels, and not massage parlors that are secretly brothels. I think I came in with the wrong mentality, high expectations, and bad strategy. I'll be back in 3 weeks to give pattaya a try and Bangkok another try with a whole different strategy. On to Laos![/QUOTE]I kind of had that same feeling, taking a chick back with my valuables exposed. So this is my recommendation to you and others on this.

Before you go out for the night and plan to bring a chick back, put everything of value in the hotel safe. Put money, credit cards, extra phones, stuff you bought into the safe.

When you go out to get your girl, you come back to the hotel room and everything is already secured, just have your condoms ready available somewhere. So if you're drunk or pass out, you don't have valuables exposed. By the way many hotels will ask for and retain the girl's I'd and will call you to see if they can release the I'd back to her, so its safe in that sense.

Pattaya will be the same way, just much more bar beers (beer bars) and chicks are everywhere. After you do the Walking Street scene, you will quickly realize there are girls everywhere and whatever street (Soi) you go down. Just pick the gems rather quickly because the senior citizens down there do it early, like 6 p-8 pm. After that you can still find them but you look a little harder and sometimes easier if you had a few Changs!

Hi everyone,

I am back in Bangkok after three years this time having a little more time to monger around and discover the possibilities. So, decided to check the BJ bar scene in Bangkok and report back. My previous experience was only limited to Star of Light (SOL).

This time, my hotel is located in Sukhumvit near Phloen Chit BTS station which is a convenient place to visit BJ bars such as Lollipop 1, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, Dr. BJs, and Som's Haven. I started with Lollipop 1. Visited Lollipop 1 two times. Here is the report for the first visit:

First time at about 8:00 PM. Line-up of 6 ladies. None of them can be classified as a beauty queen. Chosen a late-20/ early-30-year-old lady in sexy red short dress (named Tee or Ti) and we straightly headed upstairs with each other. Upstairs not the cleanest place, more like an attic in an old house. Soon discovered the action taking place behind the curtains on the left side with a lady moaning loudly (seems like they've already changed places and the guy was down on his knees giving pleasure to the lady). We headed to the small room on the right side which had a door and was kinda separate from the whole place. Initial greetings and cleanings took place and we began our program. Asked her to took her cloths off first which she kinda obliged by taking off her top and bra (small perky tits). Her skills was good (definitely still not comparable to those I've experienced in SOL) she used her hands and controlled the depth but the pace and strength was well and thank god there was no teeth involved. And she was tickling my anus with her other hand while giving me the BJ. Shot in her mouth after 10 minutes. Usual cleaning took place and we went downstairs. Getting back from the room I noticed that the couple behind the curtain had decided to proceed to FS with the lady riding her sitting customer cowgirl-style (I just saw their shadows). The moaning was very loud now making the atmosphere much more appropriate for my taste. Nevertheless, we headed downstairs, gave 700 THB to the cashier and 300 THB to the lady, thanked her, and left.

Overall, good experience! WIR? Yes but the rating is still below SOL in my notebook.

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1681712]You once again have me scratching my head (Craig's list in Mexico as a viable option to BKK, etc.) and though I suspect the real anachronism is your recent post (s) in this thread, I'll bite.

So just how am I better off without go go's in BKK?[/QUOTE]We have an entire thread, lately, about guys talking up the advantages of Wechat, Line, various methods of finding freelancers and avoiding bars. And you don't see the connection between these and CL in MX?

[I]Anachronism. Noun. A thing belonging or appropriate to a period other than that in which it exists, especially a thing that is conspicuously old-fashioned.[/I]

If the above isn't a perfect definition of a BKK go-go bar, I don't know what is. :)

A "go-go" bar is a holdover from the Vietnam War days. Even the name "go-go" is an anachronism. SEA never had such a thing until the influx of western military personnel. Asians, in general, are pretty modest when it comes to sex. They may love to get up to mischief, but they don't flaunt it to the same extent as their Western counterparts. So, IMHO, the "go-go" concept was never a good fit for the Asian P4 P scene. It was designed to attract horny soldiers on I & I.

As we can all see, the Go-go scene has degenerated into scams, very high prices, very plain girls, very bad service. And it seems to me that most of the clientele are "tourists" looking to tick a particular box on their vacation to-do list.

I have had wonderful times in Vietnam with beautiful ladies. And VN has no go-go bars. I have had the time of my life in Myanmar, with some very wonderful ladies. Again, no go-go bars. I've had nice times, with nice ladies, in Chiang Mai and Udon Thani. And they have, what? One and zero go-gos, respectively? Go-go and the Asian P4 P scene don't really go together. There appears to be no cultural basis.

So, to summarize, if these 1960's rejects go away, maybe the scene will get back to what it was. Maybe the homely ladies will go back to their rice farms. Maybe we'd be rid of the "Coyote Scourge." Maybe the hordes of overpaying tourists will seek greener pastures. Maybe service levels in the remaining venues will go up. Who knows? If those things did happen, to answer your question, we'd all be better off. Maybe none of the above will happen. But I think my point still stands. Go-go bars are an anachronism.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1682177]As we can all see, the Go-go scene has degenerated into scams, very high prices, very plain girls, very bad service. [/QUOTE]Dude,

I appreciate your sincerity and don't doubt your (very long winded) personal experiences but I think your getting a little caught up in your own head. And I don't know how to say it any simpler.

I like gogo's.

I only do LT and I have no problem with girls agreeing to come to my hotel (which is really great) LT.

I like the variety and the quality level.

My experiences have been 98 percent good.

So again, why would I be better off if Go Go's did not exist?

Or do we all need to live in your world?

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1682003]I'm a little disappointed with how hard it was to get a session with the girls in Bangkok. I'm not used to having to go to a bar and chatting a girl up and bringing her back to my hotel (I feel unsafe revealing my location to a girl, as well have having her in the same room as my valuables, and lastly, getting dirty looks from the hotel staff and other clients of the hotel). I think Bangkok needs more brothels, and not massage parlors that are secretly brothels. I think I came in with the wrong mentality, high expectations, and bad strategy. I'll be back in 3 weeks to give pattaya a try and Bangkok another try with a whole different strategy. On to Laos![/QUOTE]Thomkatt, you clearly went in with the wrong ideas. Patpong is for silly tourists who wear a big sign "Scam me, please!". Nana is a bit to frenetic and pushy for me, but Soi Cowboy just fits the bill. Of course YMMV.

Suzi Wong is my favourite agogo club. Actually quite laid back with the girls, waitresses and mamasans not too pushy for LDs.

Remember that the whole idea of an agogo is actually to present you a good view of the girls before you decide which one to take home. You are not there to admire their dancing skills (although the way they move can tell you already something about how they will move in bed), nor to consume many drinks. It is rare I spend more than an hour in an agogo; two (soft) drinks max for me and one LD for the girl I choose. During that time I will have seen the whole line-up (they change about once every 10 to 15 minutes), have choosen my tirac, interviewed her and negotiated her services and fee. I rarely if ever am still in the club after 11 PM. The best talent is taken away quickly. By midnight you are already looking at the left-overs. Think of an agogo club as a "take out restaurant" and you will understand better how to act.

Khao San Road is for (young) tourists. It is not where I like to go as the chances to find a friendly-no-ties-attached Thai companion is rare IMHO.

And please, lighten up. I have never ever had a problem with bringing a girl to my hotel. Put your valuables in the room safe and have fun. Girls you have taken from an agogo won't risk any funny business as they will be out on the street quickly if you complain to the club.

The hotel staff is not at all interested in you and your companion. They actually couldn't care less. Just smile and act normal. And as to the other hotel guests: half of the men are in the same position of you and the other half of the men wish they were in your shoes. As to their women, . . .

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1681871]Don't mind this guy who has popped out of the woodwork with only a few posts. He does not really help anyone or post anything of any interest. If I had to guess I would say he is a past member who is using a new account for obvious reasons. Anyways I got your PM about clubs in Bangkok. I know exactly what you are talking about. Check your PM. I will elaborate for any newbies here in Bangkok. If you are looking for a similar clubbing experience as Pattaya in Bangkok, your best bet is Climax inside the Ambassador hotel on soi 11. Get there before midnight so you can watch all the hotties strole in. Stay away from Mixx in Bangkok. Nothing like the Pattaya one. The old Insomnia club at suk soi 12 is also a good second choice. The smaller bars on soi 4 operate similarly to the beer bars in Pattaya. They are all owned by the Climax group. The soi 7 beer bar is a hit amd miss these days. Many older ladies. But if you go around 8 PM you can score a young hot newbie girl who wants to get an early start. She will love to avoid the late night bars. At these places the prices are much more in line with Pattaya for the girls. This has worked for me countless times. However recently I have been scoring so much on the mobile chat apps that I have given up going to the bars.[/QUOTE]Absolutely true! Apps work all okay, especially when you do not stay in Sukhumvit area but in a more Thai residential area. Less suspicious to Thai girls. But don't forget the bars in Thong Lor Soi's. Loads of single Thai women go there diring weekdays for a drink or two an often something more. But you have to invest a bit.

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1682184]Dude,

I appreciate your sincerity and don't doubt your (very long winded) personal experiences but I think your getting a little caught up in your own head. And I don't know how to say it any simpler.

I like gogo's.

I only do LT and I have no problem with girls agreeing to come to my hotel (which is really great) LT.

I like the variety and the quality level.

My experiences have been 98 percent good.

So again, why would I be better off if Go Go's did not exist?

Or do we all need to live in your world?[/QUOTE]Whether or not you, personally, like go-gos has absolutely no bearing. You asked why I thought they were an anachronism and I answered, as well as why I thought the scene might be better without them. You don't have to be an asshole about it. Nobody has to share my opinion, nor live in my world. But, instead of engaging any of my points, you descended to snark. If you care to offer a rebuttal and tell us why you think the go-go concept is fresh, modern and in tune with modern-day P4 P standards in Asia, I'm all ears.

I couldn't care less if you, or others like you, continue to patronize these establishments. As I said, to each his own. Let's let the free market decide. In that vein, it seems that economics will be the deciding factor. Everywhere you turn you hear that business is down. This is the worst high season, etc. , etc. Whether or not you agree, I think the days of the go-go are numbered. There are not enough pretty women to support the current number of bars. That situation will not change soon, if ever. There is apparently not enough demand, either, as evidenced by declining patronage numbers. Whether or not anybody likes it, I think there will be a big shakeout of this section of the industry in the next few years. Enjoy it while you can.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1682219] I couldn't care less if you, or others like you, continue to patronize these establishments. As I said, to each his own. Let's let the free market decide. In that vein, it seems that economics will be the deciding factor. Everywhere you turn you hear that business is down. This is the worst high season, etc. , etc. Whether or not you agree, I think the days of the go-go are numbered. There are not enough pretty women to support the current number of bars. That situation will not change soon, if ever. There is apparently not enough demand, either, as evidenced by declining patronage numbers. Whether or not anybody likes it, I think there will be a big shakeout of this section of the industry in the next few years. Enjoy it while you can.[/QUOTE]Yep, biz is down in all but a few GoGo. And interestingly enough there are more and more newbies who are posting less than positive first reports on ISG. In another post Sr Phordphan states that there are fewer gals, attitudes are bad, prices are sky high for both alcohol and women, ST is 30 min if you are lucky, gals are not as attractive, the Coyote phenom is horrid, and the you see "tourists" who just come to gawk in GoGo areas. GoGos used to make a lot of their money off locals, especially during low season. I can't point to any of my friends or acquaintances who are long term residents that still patronize GoGos on a regular basis. When I arrived in 99 Cowboy was the hangout for expats with 80 baht beer, 400 baht barfines, and good looking gals who were actually nice that would stay all night for 1 k. About 80% of the time when you went into the bathroom the gal would have already put toothpaste on your toothbrush and when you came out of the toilet you clothes would be folded. You were treated like gold. Now, it is the guys that have to treat the P4 P gals like gold. Kinda bassackwards I think.

GoGos have become theater. Yes, I know there are a few dudes out there that still like them, but Phord it right, its a dying business.

I was the last years quite, because I live in Dubai and ISG is blocked. I know I should use VPN, which I have, but only little time to write and read.

So, I am back in Bangkok since yesterday and I can say I was abit surprise, about the change in quality. Lower Sukhumvit and the Night Clubs were not as busy like about half year ago. I am first time in February in Bangkok, maybe it's normal for that time of the year, but the Sukhumvit and the Sois were quite. Also, only older Ladys around. I can't recall that I have seen a Lady below 30 years of age. Same in the Clubs. In Climax were like 5 - 7 ladies whose might be younger than 30.

Well, from the older ones, some were Ok, but it's not more like it used to be. Maybe the good looking girls went to other places on weekend, or February is just a bad time for a holiday in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1682177]We have an entire thread, lately, about guys talking up the advantages of Wechat, Line, various methods of finding freelancers and avoiding bars. And you don't see the connection between these and CL in MX?

[I]Anachronism. Noun. A thing belonging or appropriate to a period other than that in which it exists, especially a thing that is conspicuously old-fashioned.[/I]

If the above isn't a perfect definition of a BKK go-go bar, I don't know what is. :)

A "go-go" bar is a holdover from the Vietnam War days. Even the name "go-go" is an anachronism. SEA never had such a thing until the influx of western military personnel. Asians, in general, are pretty modest when it comes to sex. They may love to get up to mischief, but they don't flaunt it to the same extent as their Western counterparts. So, IMHO, the "go-go" concept was never a good fit for the Asian P4 P scene. It was designed to attract horny soldiers on I & I.

As we can all see, the Go-go scene has degenerated into scams, very high prices, very plain girls, very bad service. And it seems to me that most of the clientele are "tourists" looking to tick a particular box on their vacation to-do list.

I have had wonderful times in Vietnam with beautiful ladies. And VN has no go-go bars. I have had the time of my life in Myanmar, with some very wonderful ladies. Again, no go-go bars. I've had nice times, with nice ladies, in Chiang Mai and Udon Thani. And they have, what? One and zero go-gos, respectively? Go-go and the Asian P4 P scene don't really go together. There appears to be no cultural basis.

So, to summarize, if these 1960's rejects go away, maybe the scene will get back to what it was. Maybe the homely ladies will go back to their rice farms. Maybe we'd be rid of the "Coyote Scourge." Maybe the hordes of overpaying tourists will seek greener pastures. Maybe service levels in the remaining venues will go up. Who knows? If those things did happen, to answer your question, we'd all be better off. Maybe none of the above will happen. But I think my point still stands. Go-go bars are an anachronism.[/QUOTE]Just to add to the notion go-gos basically are foreign to Asian culture, aren't the vast majority of go-gos in Bangkok and Pattaya owned by foreigners? And most of the soapies and oil massage places by Thais? I'm not sure about this, but have that impression.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1682003]This is my FR from my first time in Bangkok. Mostly just observations. Sorry for the long post.
The next day was my last day in Bangkok for a month, so I had to try to be with a thai woman. I headed back to Dr. Bjs, looking for EE. Luckily she was working, however, she was pretty sore from the day before and wasn't offering vip (full service). Imagine my disappointment. She offered to let me be with someone else, but seeing this girl in person and how gorgeous she was, I was okay with settling for a BJ from her. Asked if I wanted a drink, so I yes, and asked if she can have a lady drink, which I also obliged. Be aware though, she didn't take one sip from this drink, I believe they just give her the same drink throughout the night and split the profits from the lady drink. She's tall, about 5'8, thin, beautiful face, big rack (can't tell if real or fake, huge pink saucer nipples though), no kids, and 28. She speaks with a british english accent, and wouldn't tell me her name, didn't want to tell me a fake one. So she said to call her by her I'd tag name, the letter E. Says she only does this part time. All this mysteriousness, has me questioning her true motives and identity. She might be connected to someone important, or trying to hide. Probably the best ball job I've ever had. It's soft and delicate and great swirling action. She then goes to work on my little guy. Not as impressive, but that face and body, I'm sure I didn't mind it much. She also didn't like her nipples twisted, and was too shy to take her boobs out, only letting the top out to sit on the bra. I told her if she lets me play with her boobs, I can cum faster, and she told me not to worry, we can take as long as you need. Wow! So she stands up and starts sucking me from the side, so I can play with her butt, boobs, legs, and vajayjay. I was getting excited and was ready to cum. I tell her, and she speeds up the power and motion while moaning. She's doing her tongue swirl on me and my head, and starts to suck while I pound her mouth while grabbing her boobs and playing with her damp pvssy. I eventually explode in her mouth, but unfortunately, most of it got on me, but she kept tongue swirling the head for whatever that cum followed, tasting a lot of my man juice. She cleans me up, and I'm on my way. Damage for the service and 2 drinks: 1240 THB. Face: 8. 5 Body: 8. 5 Service: 8. 5.
![/QUOTE]Miss EE is more than 28, has a kid this by now should be 12 or so, has had a badly done boob none and that is why she very seldom takes them out. Not shy at all, she just don't want to expose the boobs. Super skilled I. BJ's she learnt the massage ropes at Annie's. She is definitely more fit for Dr BJ's so she doesn't have to be completely naked. She has been living abroad for a whole and had an italian boyfriend she lived with.

It is really a pit she never corrected the boob job as she could work in a more relaxed way.

Nice lady to chat with and a true professional.

Stopped into The Den on SOI 12 near the entrance to Insanity Night Club. This is a new concept in this area of Bangkok. I was told that the club used to be a Russian club or restaurant of some sort that was short lived. When the place went under, the bank left the Victorian bordello type couches to the new owners. The Den, as part of their decor, also features an aquarium above the bar that holds four black tip reef sharks and some sting rays, which is fascinating to observe if you get bored looking at the ladies of the club.

Next to this club is a short term hotel with several very nice rooms and tiled glass enclosed showers. They rent out the rooms for 500 bhat or 1000 for the large suite suitable for several girls or a small party. The Victorian era plush red couches can be enclosed by a diaphanous curtain for those who seek more privacy while they test drive the goods.

The first few times I stopped in I had a drink or two as they are reasonably priced. Lady drinks are 150 bhat. The third time I was looking for a girl who I briefly spoke to the night before. However, she was not working; indeed I was informed by the mamasan she would not be working in the future. Need to find out why as the mamaSan graciously provided me the girls phone number. Anyway, I invited another girl to sit with me.

Within a few minutes, I was making out with her on the couch like a teenager in the back seat of his dad's 57 Chevy while at he drive in movie. Really hot! The other girls noticed our activity and drew the curtains for more privacy. It was not long before the mamasan came over to arrange the final details. Basically 500 bhat for the room and 2000 to the girl which was supposed to be for 1 1/2 but the girl who spoke no English did not get this memo. When I say no English even 'What's Your name?' was a challenge. The room was very comfortable and she was an enthusiastic shag but refused DATY or a BJ, covered or otherwise. However, I found myself barebacking this girl, which is a rarity for me. Can't remember the last time it happened.

Anyway, the 1 1/2 amount of time did not happen but still enjoyed this sweet 23 year old.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1682003] I went to go check out loli-tas across the way, and since I was running out of time, I pretty much had to take my pick there.

The girls aren't great looking here. Most are on the chubby side, with ok looking faces. They all were wearing school girl outfits. The most popular girl, who might have had a 7. 5 body, and a 7. 5 was snatched up back to back when I got there. The girl who brought me in was pretty pushy and annoying, but the 2nd best looking out of the whole bunch. One of the girls, who probably had the best body, had a manly looking face. I was almost convinced she was a ladyboy or used to be a man. I even asked the whole group, just to see what kind of response I got from her. And in typical fashion, she answered that they are all women, and always have been. She had to be a man, especially with that face. Time was ticking, and the girl who brought me in was occupied. My choices were 3 chubsters and the man. And then the choice became harder when a group of guys came in. I opted to wait out for the original girl, who's name was Nont, a 32 year old with 1 kid. Luckily, the guy she was with, finished pretty quickly. And I snatched her up before any of the other guys could see her. She took me upstairs into a room, with curtains for privacy. If you guys are into privacy, this is not the place. You will hear everything going on in the next chair, it's literally 1 feet of separation between each chair. You can even see the socks on the feet of everyone being serviced. I have no problem with it, even prefer it because I get to hear all the girls moaning and gagging, while most of the guys were too shy to make a peep, except for me hahaha. She cleans you up and begins right away. It's very mechanical, and no change in technique or anything. She just goes up and down with her head, like if you were jerking yourself. I asked to see and grab her boobs, but she made a big fuss about it. I told her I can cum quicker that way, so she obliged. Her boobs were ok, not big or great looking, but soft and a handful. She didn't like her nipples twisted or squeezed, they were the large saucer types. For another 15 minutes she continues going up and down, doesn't work my boys, doesn't stroke me, nothing. I told her to make eye contact with me while I blew my load in her mouth, she obliged. I emptied out 5 days worth of my cum into her mouth, while she takes the whole thing and maintains deep eye contact while I do it. Takes every last violent drop. She goes to clean up, comes back to clean me up. SHE ASKS FOR A TIP, I SAY NO. And go downstairs to pay and be on my way. 800 THB for that, 1200 THB for full service, 1500 THB for 1 hour full service. I had a couple of beers, so damage was 1060 THB. Face: 7 Body: 7 Service: 8.[/QUOTE]It's pretty common to give a BJ Bar girl a tip. The service she gave you is the kind of service you will get from the majority of these girls. It's a wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am kind of business. IMHO a 200 B tip is normal for this standard service.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1682003] I mean, I'm not gay, but the ladyboys were much better looking than the girls, which is pretty sad. [/QUOTE]I doubt that gays like ladyboys. Gays like real men, not men who behave and look like women.
And straight men who like ladyboys like them because they are feminine. So also for them it has nothing to do with homosexuality.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1682003] The first thai girl I wanted to be with was a girl from Dr. Bjs blowjob bar. She's listed as EE on the website, with her face blocked. But if you search the internet, there's pictures of her full face.![/QUOTE]Is this her? She is hot indeed.

Thanks for the FR. Very informative. I'm sorry you had a tough time finding GFE girls. Yes it seems it is getting harder.

But I am glad you had a nice time at Dr BJs. I will definitely give it a try next time I am in BKK.

Stay horny my friend.

UNcle-V.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1682003]The next day was my last day in Bangkok for a month, so I had to try to be with a thai woman. I headed back to Dr. Bjs, looking for EE. Luckily she was working, however, she was pretty sore from the day before and wasn't offering vip (full service). Imagine my disappointment. She offered to let me be with someone else, but seeing this girl in person and how gorgeous she was, I was okay with settling for a BJ from her. Asked if I wanted a drink, so I yes, and asked if she can have a lady drink, which I also obliged. Be aware though, she didn't take one sip from this drink, I believe they just give her the same drink throughout the night and split the profits from the lady drink. She's tall, about 5'8, thin, beautiful face, big rack (can't tell if real or fake, huge pink saucer nipples though), no kids, and 28. She speaks with a british english accent, and wouldn't tell me her name, didn't want to tell me a fake one. So she said to call her by her I'd tag name, the letter E. Says she only does this part time. All this mysteriousness, has me questioning her true motives and identity. She might be connected to someone important, or trying to hide. Regardless, she takes me upstairs to this tiny room with a chair that used to be for washing hair in beauty salons. The place is not comfortable nor comfortable for her, as she has to kneel on a metal stool with no pad or pillow. She told me how shy she was because of how handsome I was, I'm sure she says that to a lot of people, although I get this a lot from a lot of the girls I session with. After washing my junk, she sits me down and starts with my boys. Oh my goodness, this girl has amazing tongue skills. Probably the best ball job I've ever had. It's soft and delicate and great swirling action. She then goes to work on my little guy. Not as impressive, but that face and body, I'm sure I didn't mind it much. She also didn't like her nipples twisted, and was too shy to take her boobs out, only letting the top out to sit on the bra. I told her if she lets me play with her boobs, I can cum faster, and she told me not to worry, we can take as long as you need. Wow! So she stands up and starts sucking me from the side, so I can play with her butt, boobs, legs, and vajayjay. I was getting excited and was ready to cum. I tell her, and she speeds up the power and motion while moaning. She's doing her tongue swirl on me and my head, and starts to suck while I pound her mouth while grabbing her boobs and playing with her damp pvssy. I eventually explode in her mouth, but unfortunately, most of it got on me, but she kept tongue swirling the head for whatever that cum followed, tasting a lot of my man juice. She cleans me up, and I'm on my way. Damage for the service and 2 drinks: 1240 THB. Face: 8. 5 Body: 8. 5 Service: 8. 5.[/QUOTE]So you didn't tip this girl either? The service at Dr BJ is on average better than in most other BJ venues. The kind of service this particular girl gave you is worth a 300 B tip IMHO.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1682177]A "go-go" bar is a holdover from the Vietnam War days.

(. . .)

So, to summarize, if these 1960's rejects go away, maybe the scene will get back to what it was. Maybe the homely ladies will go back to their rice farms. Maybe we'd be rid of the "Coyote Scourge." Maybe the hordes of overpaying tourists will seek greener pastures. Maybe service levels in the remaining venues will go up. Who knows? If those things did happen, to answer your question, we'd all be better off. Maybe none of the above will happen. But I think my point still stands. Go-go bars are an anachronism.[/QUOTE]Interesting analysis and from a historical point of view, probably even contains a grain of truth.

But. . . My question is: if the agogo clubs go away, what will replace them? How will the scene actually improve?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1682316]Is this her? She is hot indeed.
UNcle-V.[/QUOTE]Really? Not my type of girl but we all have different taste of course. Although in the pic she looks very 'plastic' and photoshopped so maybe she looks better in reality.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;1682300]Miss EE is more than 28, has a kid this by now should be 12 or so, has had a badly done boob none and that is why she very seldom takes them out. Not shy at all, she just don't want to expose the boobs. Super skilled I. BJ's she learnt the massage ropes at Annie's. She is definitely more fit for Dr BJ's so she doesn't have to be completely naked. She has been living abroad for a whole and had an italian boyfriend she lived with.

It is really a pit she never corrected the boob job as she could work in a more relaxed way.

Nice lady to chat with and a true professional.[/QUOTE]She's definitely over 30 probably around 32 I think. She's been servicing me for about 2 years so had about 20 BJ's from her with 1 VIP session. Maybe she afraid of being stalked or something hence her reticence about giving out her personal details and having her pic blurred out since she told me in the past. Damn can't get the thought of those lips and tongue around my knob from my head.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1682319]Really? Not my type of girl but we all have different taste of course. Although in the pic she looks very 'plastic' and photoshopped so maybe she looks better in reality.[/QUOTE]Actually the photo is real though several years old. EE really looks that way. I haven't seen her in a year. The problem with EE unless she has had another op is that she has the worst sillies I have seen on a girl. They are EE and droopy. It is actually better when she keeps the bra on to keep up the illusion. Service is excellent and she does anal as well. At least she used to. She does a great Nuru body slide. All in all great service but the boobs put me off so much that I haven't repeated.

Yeah, horrible boobs. It is really a shame. I know another girl from Baccara, an absolute darling, who ruined herself as well with an awful boob job. She had such lovely natural "A" cups before. I took her twice after her augmentation. The first time because I did not know for sure. She looked a little fuller, but sometimes the girls wear pushup bras to flatter their bust line. I had trouble cumming and the sweet girl did everything she could think of to make it happen, finally succeeding in reverse cowgirl after 40 minutes of action. The 2nd time I barfined, her post enhancements, was a mercy shag. I don't know why I did it really except that I liked her a lot and I knew her a long time prior. To induce me a 2nd time she offered herself bareback and I accepted. I couldn't say no.

She was not in BKK the last time I was in town and I wonder if she will be around when I shortly return. Why do these girls go under the knife? That is a rhetorical question. It's too bad. There is no accounting for the bad taste of some punters.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1682317]So you didn't tip this girl either? The service at Dr BJ is on average better than in most other BJ venues. The kind of service this particular girl gave you is worth a 300 B tip IMHO.[/QUOTE]Been going to oilies for about 8 years running now. Pay the house oily fee plus the 1500 baht to the cashier as I walk out. Never tip a baht, except to the gal who bring my water to whom I give 20. Always get fantastic service from gals.

Hi everyone,

This is the second post of my "Checking BJ Bars" series. Here's the link to the first post:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1682125&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1682125.

Due to the good service I received on my first visit to Lollipop 1, I gave it another try the following day. This time in the evening around 6:30 PM and the line-up contained 4 girls excluding the one behind the bar. Spotted a slim and relatively tall one with short blue dress talking to her mobile phone and immediately selected her. She was kinda attractive and was definitely a few years younger than the one I chose on my first visit. Grabbed my hand and we went upstairs. Going behind her, the figure of her buttocks made me rock hard. So, we went to the attic and this time she chose to sit on the left side behind the curtains. Initial greetings and cleanings and taking off the cloths went on and she started the job. Thumbs up to her warm mouth and yes! She has a good technique to but she was still using her hands may be to prevent me from the possibility of making her go deep by force which I would definitely never ever do to a lady. She kept the pace and went on very well for about 10 minutes and then I blew my load and OMG! I think my shot gone very far down her throat which made her choke and cough for a while. She immediately recovered and gave me a nice smile answering my question about whether she is OK or not. A few minutes chatting and cleaning and we were out. 700 THB to the bar-girl and 300 THB to the girl. I said goodbye and left.

Well! I give them a score of 3 out of 5. Very good service. Good English. Staff very very friendly (at least the two I've chosen) and not pushy at all.

Here it is! My next report is going to be about my visit of Dr. BJs.

Business Model.

In my recent visit to Bangkok I saw a city of contrasts. The hotel that I stayed in was to a good modern standard in terms of facilities and service. Adjacent and connected to the hotel was Terminal 21 Mall which is was also to a good modern standard in terms of facilities and service. This is probably the best mall in Bangkok. These business make their offering in accordance with modern and relevant business models and in accordance with what their customers demand. I came to think of the hotel as an oasis. In contrast, and on the opposite side of the road, the businesses in Soi Cowboy make their offering in a dilapidated run down area in accordance with a business model which has not been updated since the time of the Vietnam war. Businesses have to adapt according to what their customers demand to survive.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1682441]Yeah, horrible boobs. It is really a shame. I know another girl from Baccara, an absolute darling, who ruined herself as well with an awful boob job. She had such lovely natural "A" cups before. I took her twice after her augmentation. The first time because I did not know for sure. She looked a little fuller, but sometimes the girls wear pushup bras to flatter their bust line. I had trouble cumming and the sweet girl did everything she could think of to make it happen, finally succeeding in reverse cowgirl after 40 minutes of action. The 2nd time I barfined, her post enhancements, was a mercy shag. I don't know why I did it really except that I liked her a lot and I knew her a long time prior. To induce me a 2nd time she offered herself bareback and I accepted. I couldn't say no.

She was not in BKK the last time I was in town and I wonder if she will be around when I shortly return. Why do these girls go under the knife? That is a rhetorical question. It's too bad. There is no accounting for the bad taste of some punters.[/QUOTE]I actually don't mind them if they are nicely done. I am no expert on cosmetic surgery, but I've found that if the girls have the smaller ones that are done through an incision under the armpit, that they can be quite nice and feel good to the touch too.

I am no fan of the big hard basketball feeling ones. These are definitely a turn off for me. Maybe this is a cheaper option that a lot of girls go for?

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1682319]Really? Although in the pic she looks very 'plastic' and photoshopped so maybe she looks better in reality.[/QUOTE]That was my thought exactly. I am not a glasses fan either. But I know a lot of guys are.

Anyhow I think she looks pretty good. If you combine that with the wicked BJ she gave the guy in the FR it seems like a pretty appealing package. IMHO.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1682537]I actually don't mind them if they are nicely done. I am no expert on cosmetic surgery, but I've found that if the girls have the smaller ones that are done through an incision under the armpit, that they can be quite nice and feel good to the touch too. I am no fan of the big hard basketball feeling ones. These are definitely a turn off for me. [/QUOTE]Tip's bolt-ons were baseballs. Very unnatural. A mutilation, IMHO, of a really cute, nice girl.

Folks, its likely that I will get to be in BKK in early March and would greatly appreciate if someone could please point me to where could I get some Super Kamagra. I have tried asking the pharmacies in the past and they don't seem to have it. Some of the street vendors seem to carry it but not sure how legit it is. Thanks!!

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1682549]Tip's bolt-ons were baseballs. Very unnatural. A mutilation, IMHO, of a really cute, nice girl.[/QUOTE]Well that is indeed a travesty/tragedy.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1682537]I actually don't mind them if they are nicely done. I am no expert on cosmetic surgery, but I've found that if the girls have the smaller ones that are done through an incision under the armpit, that they can be quite nice and feel good to the touch too.

I am no fan of the big hard basketball feeling ones. These are definitely a turn off for me. Maybe this is a cheaper option that a lot of girls go for?[/QUOTE]Agree, if it is a good job I quite like them. The teardrop implants look natural and feel great. A great help to so many Thai gals who are ferociously under-titted.

[QUOTE=WarmStone25;1682510]Business Model.

Terminal 21 Mall which is was also to a good modern standard in terms of facilities and service. This is probably the best mall in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]I believe this is the second time you have made a reference to the Mall at Terminal 21 as the best mall in Bangkok. While I agree with your first statement about the mall I disagree with it being the best in Bangkok. Even with my limited knowledge of Bangkok I think the mall at Siam is a much better and larger mall than Terminal 21.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;1682628]I believe this is the second time you have made a reference to the Mall at Terminal 21 as the best mall in Bangkok. While I agree with your first statement about the mall I disagree with it being the best in Bangkok. Even with my limited knowledge of Bangkok I think the mall at Siam is a much better and larger mall than Terminal 21.[/QUOTE]Agreed, if "best" means upscale, then Siam Paragon might be the best. The stores in Terminal 21 are smaller and they don't carry the Hi so brands. It is the best mall I know of, anywhere, for eating, if you're not looking for a fancy meal.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1682464]Been going to oilies for about 8 years running now. Pay the house oily fee plus the 1500 baht to the cashier as I walk out. Never tip a baht, except to the gal who bring my water to whom I give 20. Always get fantastic service from gals.[/QUOTE]I agree with Goatscrot 100%. The only tips I ever give are to the girls that clean my hotel room. They work their asses off all day for a lot less than the 1500 that an oily girl gets for less than 2 hours of work.

[QUOTE=WarmStone25;1682510]Business Model.

In my recent visit to Bangkok I saw a city of contrasts. The hotel that I stayed in was to a good modern standard in terms of facilities and service. Adjacent and connected to the hotel was Terminal 21 Mall which is was also to a good modern standard in terms of facilities and service. This is probably the best mall in Bangkok. These business make their offering in accordance with modern and relevant business models and in accordance with what their customers demand. I came to think of the hotel as an oasis. In contrast, and on the opposite side of the road, the businesses in Soi Cowboy make their offering in a dilapidated run down area in accordance with a business model which has not been updated since the time of the Vietnam war. Businesses have to adapt according to what their customers demand to survive.[/QUOTE]What business model would you suggest? In my opinion it is the variety that gives Bangkok the appeal. Soi Cowboy is still relatively popular. You still have the options to only watch if you like, engange in playfull conversations with the girls. Leave, or just pick one for barfine if you like. I think it is a great concept. What would we gain if it disappeared? The main problem with Soi Cowboy is probably the fact that several bars are now taken over by the same owner (refered to as the Iranian guy). And these bars are the worst. I do not mind professional bar multi-owners if they run a good show (like the "Happy" Group in Patttaya) but this guy is obviously not in their league. Reconstruction of the area would probably only hike the prices. Keep it as it is, but secure a diversity of owners (if possible) and focus on eye candy. And we will all be happy.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1682464]Been going to oilies for about 8 years running now. Pay the house oily fee plus the 1500 baht to the cashier as I walk out. Never tip a baht, except to the gal who bring my water to whom I give 20. Always get fantastic service from gals.[/QUOTE]My post referred to a BJ Bar, not an oily. But anyway, I guess you don't tip BJ girls either?

[QUOTE=Tiny12;1682630]Agreed, if "best" means upscale, then Siam Paragon might be the best. The stores in Terminal 21 are smaller and they don't carry the Hi so brands. It is the best mall I know of, anywhere, for eating, if you're not looking for a fancy meal.[/QUOTE]I concur. The food court on the 5th floor is excellent and dirt cheap. Meals start at 25 B although those are not the best ones. But if you try out some different stalls you'll find the best ones eventually and you can have a good meal for about 50 B. Most of us will need 2 meals though because the portions are quite small.

[QUOTE=WarmStone25;1682510]Business Model.

In my recent visit to Bangkok I saw a city of contrasts. The hotel that I stayed in was to a good modern standard in terms of facilities and service. Adjacent and connected to the hotel was Terminal 21 Mall which is was also to a good modern standard in terms of facilities and service. This is probably the best mall in Bangkok. These business make their offering in accordance with modern and relevant business models and in accordance with what their customers demand. I came to think of the hotel as an oasis. In contrast, and on the opposite side of the road, the businesses in Soi Cowboy make their offering in a dilapidated run down area in accordance with a business model which has not been updated since the time of the Vietnam war. Businesses have to adapt according to what their customers demand to survive.[/QUOTE]I guess you can consider the introduction of coyote girls as an update to the business model. If it was a good update is a different story since most coyote bars in Soi Cowboy don't seem to attract a lot of customers. But in Pattaya there are some succesful coyote bars like for example Sensations.

They might not be what customers have asked for. But in economy sometimes the supply triggers the demand.

The other mall not yet mentioned is Emporium, which is also on Suk and several Soi blokcs from Terminal 21. I don't really care for the high end stores there, however, the food court and adjacent bakeries on the 4th floor are quite good. On the 5th floor is arguably the best movie venue in Bangok and also the most expensive. The theaters do have first class sections and very comfortable seating throughout. This week several recent Hollywood releases will open including Unbroken and Birdman.

On the same floor is an interesting Internet library and cafe overlooking the park and the CBD.

To stick to the our normal subject at hand. Yesterday, at the Emporium, I saw an amazing looking girl, probably Japanese, wearing a short Cinderalla type dress with pink and white rectangles and lace fringes around the neck and arms. To top it off, she was wearing mid thigh high white hosiery with black shoes. I followed her for a bit but she disappeared into the BTS headed towards the Bearing track. She had that anime type page boy haircut and was the embodiment of a living doll.

I noticed even some Thais in the mall were amused by her get up. I was told later that this mall attracts some spectacular looking women.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;1682628]I believe this is the second time you have made a reference to the Mall at Terminal 21 as the best mall in Bangkok. While I agree with your first statement about the mall I disagree with it being the best in Bangkok. Even with my limited knowledge of Bangkok I think the mall at Siam is a much better and larger mall than Terminal 21.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1682685]The other mall not yet mentioned is Emporium, which is also on Suk and several Soi blokcs from Terminal 21. I don't really care for the high end stores there, however, the food court and adjacent bakeries on the 4th floor are quite good. On the 5th floor is arguably the best movie venue in Bangkok and also the most expensive. The theaters do have first class sections and very comfortable seating throughout. This week several recent Hollywood releases will open including Unbroken and Birdman.*snip* I was told later that this mall attracts some spectacular looking women.[/QUOTE]Ah, location is everything! Emporium also offers quick access to Mango, although the renovations are creating a maze and the direct access through the Emporium Dept store cosmetics area is closed. (I've have avoided post-session starvation by going to the food court Tomasb mentions.) Also 2 minutes from Snow White.

I'll second the opinion of the movie theater, too. A couple of years ago, I saw "John Carter of Mars", which was a spectacularly BAD movie (especially disappointing given that I had read the multiple book series during my youth--about a 1,000 years ago.) I was accompanied by my Indonesian g. F. , however, and had a spectacularly good two hours under wraps in the first class seats (whatever they're called). Enjoy. TTG.

[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;1682689]Ah, location is everything! Emporium also offers quick access to Mango, although the renovations are creating a maze and the direct access through the Emporium Dept store cosmetics area is closed. (I've have avoided post-session starvation by going to the food court Tomasb mentions.) Also 2 minutes from Snow White.

I'll second the opinion of the movie theater, too. A couple of years ago, I saw "John Carter of Mars", which was a spectacularly BAD movie (especially disappointing given that I had read the multiple book series during my youth--about a 1,000 years ago.) I was accompanied by my Indonesian g. F. , however, and had a spectacularly good two hours under wraps in the first class seats (whatever they're called). Enjoy. TTG.[/QUOTE]Another mall worth visiting is a relatively new one, Central Embassy. Walking from the Ploen Chit station (sp)? in the direction of Siam, it is just past Wireless Street and on the right hand side.

It is a luxury mall, but has a really good, albeit not so large, food court in the basement. And also some higher end restaurants on one of the top floors.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1682678]My post referred to a BJ Bar, not an oily. But anyway, I guess you don't tip BJ girls either?[/QUOTE]Blowjob bar girls know what the job is and they make very good money by Thai standards to do it.

[QUOTE=WarmStone25;1682510]Business Model.

In my recent visit to Bangkok I saw a city of contrasts. The hotel that I stayed in was to a good modern standard in terms of facilities and service. Adjacent and connected to the hotel was Terminal 21 Mall which is was also to a good modern standard in terms of facilities and service. This is probably the best mall in Bangkok. These business make their offering in accordance with modern and relevant business models and in accordance with what their customers demand. I came to think of the hotel as an oasis. In contrast, and on the opposite side of the road, the businesses in Soi Cowboy make their offering in a dilapidated run down area in accordance with a business model which has not been updated since the time of the Vietnam war. Businesses have to adapt according to what their customers demand to survive.[/QUOTE]I doubt very much Soi Cowboy will change to adapt to any customer when they are doing just fine the way they are now. Keep dreaming.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1682777]I doubt very much Soi Cowboy will change to adapt to any customer when they are doing just fine the way they are now. Keep dreaming.[/QUOTE]Doing fine? Know many bar owners? Most are really hurting. But hey, expensive drinks and expensive girls who don't perform that well, want to rush, and don't have great attitudes will not keep the locals coming back. And hey, what kept Cowboy going was always locals.

Hi,

This is my first time mongering in Thailand. Although the price is pretty good compare to China / Japan and Korea. I could not find an establishment that does GFE. (besides Bangkok escort which is stated on their website) basically for me DFK and BBBJ is kinda a requirement. Was wondering if anyone could help. So far I only been to massage parlour like Nataree in BKK and Sayuri in Chiang Mai.

[QUOTE=Tptp76;1682556]please point me to where could I get some Super Kamagra. I have tried asking the pharmacies in the past and they don't seem to have it. Some of the street vendors seem to carry it but not sure how legit it is. Thanks!![/QUOTE]

Sildenafil Citrate is the active ingredient. It doesn't matter what the actual pill is called, Viagra, Kamagra, Sidegra, Super Kamagra, Ultra Shagagra, if it has that ingredient, it'll work in the same way (Cialis is different, BTW). Some of the streetside pills may not have the full quantity as advertised on the packaging, or might have been improperly stored. Sidegra is a Thai generic, and is most likely to be up to spec, unlikely to be fake. Ask for that one in the pharmacies. It is not rare at all, although some pharmacies may not carry it.

[QUOTE=GetsZa;1682840]Hi,

This is my first time mongering in Thailand. Although the price is pretty good compare to China / Japan and Korea. I could not find an establishment that does GFE. (besides Bangkok escort which is stated on their website) basically for me DFK and BBBJ is kinda a requirement. Was wondering if anyone could help. So far I only been to massage parlour like Nataree in BKK and Sayuri in Chiang Mai.[/QUOTE]Personally unlike queens park plaza. It's a complex of bars, some owned by expats which may or may not have girls. Some owned by Thais. Girls come in differnt ages, shapes and sizes but my experience is that they are eager to please and are on the look out for a boyfriend which could be long term or a few days. They are realists. That said I have had some very loving experiences.

My personal favorites are Hideaway for drinking and a few games of pool, this is right at the back left hand corner of the complex. In front of that is Good luck bar with around 10-15 girls. They can be very thirsty but good fun. Popeyes is a other good bar owned by the same thai woman, it's at the front on the immediate right. There Are a couple more bats on a side soi opposite queens park plaza with love me bar the best. If you want a late night then Popeyes and love me are open until at least 6 am if not later.

[QUOTE=Ian Oxon;1682881]Personally unlike queens park plaza. It's a complex of bars, some owned by expats which may or may not have girls. Some owned by Thais. Girls come in differnt ages, shapes and sizes but my experience is that they are eager to please and are on the look out for a boyfriend which could be long term or a few days. They are realists. That said I have had some very loving experiences.

My personal favorites are Hideaway for drinking and a few games of pool, this is right at the back left hand corner of the complex. In front of that is Good luck bar with around 10-15 girls. They can be very thirsty but good fun. Popeyes is a other good bar owned by the same thai woman, it's at the front on the immediate right. There Are a couple more bats on a side soi opposite queens park plaza with love me bar the best. If you want a late night then Popeyes and love me are open until at least 6 am if not later.[/QUOTE]






These places always seemed quite dead when I've walked by.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1682832]Doing fine? Know many bar owners? Most are really hurting. But hey, expensive drinks and expensive girls who don't perform that well, want to rush, and don't have great attitudes will not keep the locals coming back. And hey, what kept Cowboy going was always locals.[/QUOTE]Really? Soi Cowboy is kept going by the locals? Do you mean the local Thai people? Because foreigners are not considered locals anywhere in Thaialnd so I am unclear. I have seen so few Thais in Soi Cowboy with the exception of the door men and the odd group of Thai gangsters in Bacarra. Soi Cowboy caters to foreigners, like Japanese, Chinese, and then farang in that order. At least this has been my experience in the last 4 years. If you are talking about the local foreigners then I would say you are dead wrong. Just go into Bacarra on any given night. Jammed with Japanese guys. Crazy house is about 50/50 farang Japanese but locals? No way! Mostly tourists.

Hi everyone,

This is the third post of my "Checking BJ Bars" series. Here's the link to the first and second posts:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1682125[/URL]#post1682125.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1682476[/URL]#post1682476.

My third visit to BJ bars in Bangkok was to Dr. BJs down Sukhumvit Soi 7/1. I visited the facility one evening at about 5:30 PM and was surprised by the huge line-up (About 15 girls available). As I stopped by the door a lady greeted my and invited me in and asked me to sit in the lobby area. Soon, all the girls were sitting / standing all looking at me to choose one. What a stressful moment! : the Well! Soon realized that despite the massive line-up, none of them is really catching my eye, most of them being fat / chubby. At last, chosen Lady G, a consultant with a cute face who seemed to be kinda naughty, and we went upstairs and entered one of the rooms. Well! More like a cage other than a room. And man! I could never ever call it a business class facility. The only thumbs-up was the washing facility which was included in the cage.

Initial greetings, clothes getting undone, washing, cleaning, etc. Done. Her attitude, although very friendly, was kinda pushy soon asking me whether I am alone at my hotel and whether I want to bar-fine her and spend the night with her. And not even started yet, she asked me I want to do boom-boom which I answered negatively. So, there we go. Good pace! She used her hands to control the depth and went on kinda soft. Comparing to what I had experienced on Lollipop 1, the quality of BJ was worse but was enough to keep me and my junior awake. 15 minutes passed and I shot in her mouth. OMG! My shot also went on too far down her throat and she immediately coughed and spitted out while proceeding to empty the remaining amount of fluid in the container on my belly.

We are done! 1000 THB for the BJ, 200 THB tip to the girl, and I'm out. Well! To be honest, I expected more from Dr. BJs. Will I return? I don't think so.

And I give it a score of 2.5 stars out of 5.

Upside: Better facilities comparing lollipop 1 (Still not the best for the price), Massive line-up, Introduction / Briefing process, Acceptable BJ quality.

Downside: Unattractive girls (According to my humble taste), Pushy girl, High price for other services (FS, Take-out, etc.).

And my next report goes to Lo-Lee-Ta's.

[QUOTE=GetsZa;1682840]Hi,

This is my first time mongering in Thailand. Although the price is pretty good compare to China / Japan and Korea. I could not find an establishment that does GFE. (besides Bangkok escort which is stated on their website) basically for me DFK and BBBJ is kinda a requirement. Was wondering if anyone could help. So far I only been to massage parlour like Nataree in BKK and Sayuri in Chiang Mai.[/QUOTE]Go to massage parlours such as Mango, Tulip, or Bamboo to find a lot more than what you are looking for.

Wow,

I'm glad my FR could generate some discussion. Yeah, EE looks a tiny bit older than her photo, but everything else is the same. Is the boob job terrible from halfway through the nipple down, like pornstars with new enhancements? Glad I didn't see them then. I only got to see the top half of her boob. Thank you everyone for giving my the real 411, but I doubt it makes a difference to me if she was older, had a child, lived abroad, etc. I still had a great service from her, the exchange of pleasantries had nil bearing on that.

Yeah, I came in with the wrong idea, I tried to bring my expertise from central america to south east asia, the two regions are vastly different. Even from country to country, so far that I've noticed.

Yeah, I don't tip unless it's for phenominal service, or they did things extra, or did extra things without asking. Nont from LOL-itas complained and was very mechanical. EE might have gotten a tip if she allowed VIP service or she let me finger bang her or something. Otherwise I'm paying for services rendered, if not more for what I recieved.

Seriously, someone enlighten me on ladyboys. If gay guys arent into them, how can straight guys be? They have a penis. You have a penis. You must be gay, or some level of gay or bi. Who are these people that try or be with the lady boys? Closet gays? Curious straight men? Drunk straight men? Adventurous straight men? Confused bi? I don't get it hahaha.

[QUOTE=Tiny12]The stores in Terminal 21 are smaller and they don't carry the hi-so brands. It is the best mall I know of, anywhere, for eating, if you're not looking for a fancy meal.[/QUOTE]Mr. 12 knows whereof he speaks.

The food court (or "hawker stalls," if you like) at Terminal 21 is awesome. No matter what you want to eat, they have it. You'll pay a few baht more than you would out on the street. But eating indoors where there is air conditioning has much to recommend it, especially when it's rainy or hot.

I also like the way you pay for your food, using a debit card that you can "top off," just like a prepaid cell phone. It saves me having to juggle a bunch of small bills, or even worse, coins. The dining area is clean and comfortable, and you can always find a seat even during busy times.

Elsewhere in Terminal 21 are fancier restaurants, but I don't know why you'd want to eat there. There is also a movie theater and a Dairy Queen, if you're hankering for some American-style dessert.

If you are shopping for electronic stuff at the MBK Center, there is a food court there too. It's pretty good, but not as good as the food court at Terminal 21.

Bunky

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1682889]These places always seemed quite dead when I've walked by.[/QUOTE]Depends what time you go. It's more a late night place and you need to go inside past the first row of bars. That said Popeyes is pretty much front and centre and busy from 3 am onwards.

So glad I stayed there. Right across the street from some major action.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1682877]Sildenafil Citrate is the active ingredient. It doesn't matter what the actual pill is called, Viagra, Kamagra, Sidegra, Super Kamagra, Ultra Shagagra, if it has that ingredient, it'll work in the same way (Cialis is different, BTW). Some of the streetside pills may not have the full quantity as advertised on the packaging, or might have been improperly stored. Sidegra is a Thai generic, and is most likely to be up to spec, unlikely to be fake. Ask for that one in the pharmacies. It is not rare at all, although some pharmacies may not carry it.[/QUOTE]The active ingredient in Super Kamagra is Sildenafil Citrate + Dapoxetine, so it does work differently to the others I guess. Anybody ever acquired it in BKK?

[QUOTE=BkkMick;1682416]Actually the photo is real though several years old. EE really looks that way. I haven't seen her in a year. The problem with EE unless she has had another op is that she has the worst sillies I have seen on a girl. They are EE and droopy. It is actually better when she keeps the bra on to keep up the illusion. Service is excellent and she does anal as well. At least she used to. She does a great Nuru body slide. All in all great service but the boobs put me off so much that I haven't repeated.[/QUOTE]Yes not photo shopped. She is planning to get her boobs fixed, but it will be a long recovery process to get a really top class fix job, so has been putting it off. I assume that having a child (when quite young) was a contributer to spoiling the tits many years ago, but clearly not a good job. Apart from the tits, she has many good aspects. She is still very popular for those that can ignore the bad tit job, and otherwise quite good looking. I am not going to weigh in on her age. Age is not important.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1682441] Why do these girls go under the knife? That is a rhetorical question. It's too bad. There is no accounting for the bad taste of some punters.[/QUOTE]I blame the guys that complain about Thai girls having small tits.

While we can't blame the punters for a bad tit job, it is amazing how many guys are very tit-centric. Why is big tits seen as so important? Personally I always look at the face first (especially the nose), followed by liking slim legs with gap, a nice ass not too big and saggy, and finally the tits comes absolutely last in terms of importance. I can accept girls with almost no tits, small, or large. I can even ignore a bad tit job sometimes, if the girl has a lot of other good aspects. I long ago had a girlfriend who had beautiful tits but just good A cups. She was forbidden to get a tit job, but still went ahead and did it anyway when I was away. They were somewhat too big afterwards. They did soften up over time and I got used to them, so now evaluate them as somewhat okay.

I never pick a girl because of her tits, especially if not real. If they are nice, its just a bonus. I look for other things. There are things we have to get used to. So many girls have tats I would prefer they did not. Some have piercings. Ring through nose is the worst as reminds me of a buffalo. Hundreds of girls are unnecessarily getting braces on the teeth. At least in this case the end result should look good. Many girls smoke. This is just as bad as a tit job for me.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1682893]Really? Soi Cowboy is kept going by the locals? Do you mean the local Thai people? Because foreigners are not considered locals anywhere in Thaialnd so I am unclear. I have seen so few Thais in Soi Cowboy with the exception of the door men and the odd group of Thai gangsters in Bacarra. Soi Cowboy caters to foreigners, like Japanese, Chinese, and then farang in that order. At least this has been my experience in the last 4 years. If you are talking about the local foreigners then I would say you are dead wrong. Just go into Bacarra on any given night. Jammed with Japanese guys. Crazy house is about 50/50 farang Japanese but locals? No way! Mostly tourists.[/QUOTE]No dude, I mean the local expats. Guys who live here year round. I have lived here for 15 years. Cowboy was traditionally the expat hangout. These "Locals" sustained the place. Most of the bars are hurting. Been here in low season? Last year was terrible for most bar owners. And high season is not what it was. Um, and Cowboy was almost 100% Farang until the mid 00's. You saw other Asians occasionally. Most bars had quite a few patrons every night. Almost every expat had a local watering hole in Soi Cowboy. Even if you were not looking to get laid, you went there to drink and hang out with your friends. No more. There are a very few bars in Cowboy that are making money; most are hurting. Why? because they have pretty much priced out and the girls have "attituded" out the residents. Tourists will not sustain the place over the long haul. It will follow the same route as Patpong, dying a slow death.
Asoke is one of the prime locations in the city. Cowboy is an eyesore to many. Frankly, the only reason Cowboy still exists is that the shophouses on the street have individual owners. If it were owned by one person or one family it would have been sold years ago and been part of the Interchange tower. Going forward it will change. I could see it as a strip of restaurants and clubs in the future.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1682998]I blame the guys that complain about Thai girls having small tits.

While we can't blame the punters for a bad tit job, it is amazing how many guys are very tit-centric. Why is big tits seen as so important? Personally I always look at the face first (especially the nose), followed by liking slim legs with gap, a nice ass not too big and saggy, and finally the tits comes absolutely last in terms of importance. I can accept girls with almost no tits, small, or large. I can even ignore a bad tit job sometimes, if the girl has a lot of other good aspects. I long ago had a girlfriend who had beautiful tits but just good A cups. She was forbidden to get a tit job, but still went ahead and did it anyway when I was away. They were somewhat too big afterwards. They did soften up over time and I got used to them, so now evaluate them as somewhat okay.

I never pick a girl because of her tits, especially if not real. If they are nice, its just a bonus. I look for other things. There are things we have to get used to. So many girls have tats I would prefer they did not. Some have piercings. Ring through nose is the worst as reminds me of a buffalo. Hundreds of girls are unnecessarily getting braces on the teeth. At least in this case the end result should look good. Many girls smoke. This is just as bad as a tit job for me.[/QUOTE]Not at tit guy either. Ass and legs, followed by face and then tits. But the former two can be marginal as long as there is a great ass and wonderful pair of legs.

Sorry where is this? Which station is it near? Is it more like a gogo bar? Do you know anywhere for paid sex like massage parlour without going thru many hoops that offer GFE.

[QUOTE=IanOxon;1682881]Personally unlike queens park plaza. It's a complex of bars, some owned by expats which may or may not have girls. Some owned by Thais. Girls come in differnt ages, shapes and sizes but my experience is that they are eager to please and are on the look out for a boyfriend which could be long term or a few days. They are realists. That said I have had some very loving experiences.

My personal favorites are Hideaway for drinking and a few games of pool, this is right at the back left hand corner of the complex. In front of that is Good luck bar with around 10-15 girls. They can be very thirsty but good fun. Popeyes is a other good bar owned by the same thai woman, it's at the front on the immediate right. There Are a couple more bats on a side soi opposite queens park plaza with love me bar the best. If you want a late night then Popeyes and love me are open until at least 6 am if not later.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GetsZa;1683034]Sorry where is this? Which station is it near?[/QUOTE]Sukhumvit Soi 22, close to Imperial Queen's Park Hotel. Get off the skytrain at Phrom Phong station and walk back towards Asoke.

[QUOTE=GetsZa;1683034]Do you know anywhere for paid sex like massage parlour without going thru many hoops that offer GFE.[/QUOTE] I nominate GetsZa for the "RTFT" of the year award. There are only a couple of hundred places in Bangkok that fit this description. Read the threads. Or just walk around. Your odds are better for GFE if you hook up with a woman who speaks a bit of English, and there is no shortage of candidates in the Sukhumvit area. If you don't want to jump through hoops, like at a go go, then try oil massage, be nice to the lady, and pay repeat visits. Btw, Nataree, which you've already tried, and Ratchadapisek Road in general is one of the last places I'd go if GFE were high on my list, so don't get discouraged.

[QUOTE=Etaoin2003;1679567]2. USD costs: Converting from thb to usd is easy; it's a touch over 30 baht to the dollar. This means 300 thb (basic massage) is a little under ten bucks. Typical short-time prices are 1000 to 2000 thb (figure $30-60) depending on situation and negotiating skills. Soapies and oilies will run higher but the prices are posted and you can do the math easily. Plan to tip.

HTH.[/QUOTE]I think I'm still trying to wrap my head around the pricing. For some reason, I was thinking Thailand was cheaper than what it appears to be in comparison to Latin or south america. For example from Costa Rica to Panama, prices range from $40 to $100 based on location / quality and if you are in a place like Del Rey vs. A MP. And then then Colombia is roughly 75% of the equivalent costs. The mansion girls charging $70-ish and even a top end girl at Fase2 or whatever (a playboy-model type, which is my type) is under $100.

After reading about 10 pages of posts, it seems like the prices in Thai are actually higher. 5,000 bht is like $150. Even at the lower end of 2,000, that is $60. I think I was just expecting to be in the range of $20-30 for a nice MP and then $80-$90 for the top end girls. I guess that's not the case at all. My.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1682292]Just to add to the notion go-gos basically are foreign to Asian culture, aren't the vast majority of go-gos in Bangkok and Pattaya owned by foreigners? And most of the soapies and oil massage places by Thais? I'm not sure about this, but have that impression.[/QUOTE]I don't have the exact numbers, but I do believe that a majority of go-gos are, indeed, owned by foreigners.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1682318]Interesting analysis and from a historical point of view, probably even contains a grain of truth.

But. . . My question is: if the agogo clubs go away, what will replace them? How will the scene actually improve?[/QUOTE]Maybe somebody can shed some light, but I can't think of any Asian country that has / had strip-style clubs that did NOT have some sort of large US military presence.

I don't know that anything will "replace" the go-go bars, I suspect they will simply cease to exist and the scene will revert to a much more "Asian flavor" scene. The days of rich Americans throwing money around are long gone. They've been replaced by rich Asians, often Chinese. I think that the go-gos that remain will cater to the Japanese trade. You'll see more karaoke bars. Maybe even more massage places. Much of the rest of the scene will go "underground. " By that I mean venues a bit like Biergarten, or other freelance-style venues. Above all, for the independent freelancers, I think the Internet will be the place to meet customers. The Thais are daffy about social media apps, and this certainly appears to be the trend. It's much easier to sit on your ass at home, or someplace, and chat with potential customers than it is to sit on your ass in a go-go bar for 12 hours.

So, that's my prognostication, and it's worth roughly what you paid for it. :D

[QUOTE=MikeKelimir;1683104]I think I'm still trying to wrap my head around the pricing. For some reason, I was thinking Thailand was cheaper than what it appears to be in comparison to Latin or south america. For example from Costa Rica to Panama, prices range from $40 to $100 based on location / quality and if you are in a place like Del Rey vs. A MP. And then then Colombia is roughly 75% of the equivalent costs. The mansion girls charging $70-ish and even a top end girl at Fase2 or whatever (a playboy-model type, which is my type) is under $100.

After reading about 10 pages of posts, it seems like the prices in Thai are actually higher. 5,000 bht is like $150. Even at the lower end of 2,000, that is $60. I think I was just expecting to be in the range of $20-30 for a nice MP and then $80-$90 for the top end girls. I guess that's not the case at all. My.[/QUOTE]It used to be this way. Those days are gone. Between Thailand's demographic shift and loads of overpaying punters, the scene has changed. A lot.

I will point out that a high-end MP was never in the $20 - $30 range. You could generally expect to drop at least $100, often more if you like the "model" variety. However, these days, a go-go short-time quickie can easily run in the $100 range, so suddenly a couple hours in a soapie don't look so bad.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1683292]It used to be this way. Those days are gone. Between Thailand's demographic shift and loads of overpaying punters, the scene has changed. A lot.

I will point out that a high-end MP was never in the $20 - $30 range. You could generally expect to drop at least $100, often more if you like the "model" variety. However, these days, a go-go short-time quickie can easily run in the $100 range, so suddenly a couple hours in a soapie don't look so bad.[/QUOTE]Well I am literally changing my trip because of this. I have 2 months to go spend somewhere and this is not at all what I was hoping for. I was probably living in dreamland. I am so incredibly sick of $100 attitude girls here in Latin america, I just want to go somewhere in the world where there are still good deals and fun to be had. 26 hours on a plane and $1400 for a ticket for that type of budget is just not worth it.

I don't even know which country to start looking at to find the place I'm looking for. Probably it's back to Medellin for me. I want to cry.

[QUOTE=IanOxon;1682881]There Are a couple more bats on a side soi opposite queens park plaza with love me bar the best. If you want a late night then Popeyes and love me are open until at least 6 am if not later.[/QUOTE]Is Love Me a good place? Attractive girls?

I have a question that isn't discussed too often here. I will be in Bangkok with some business clients and I want to get some information of the high end places in Bangkok. I know La Belle and maybe Emporium are said to be high end but I was wondering if there are others. I am talking about top of the line luxury spas with dedication to ultimate luxury, where a lot of thought has been put into the decor of the place and of course not forgetting a quality lineup.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=Chilaxin;1683334]I have a question that isn't discussed too often here. I will be in Bangkok with some business clients and I want to get some information of the high end places in Bangkok. I know La Belle and maybe Emporium are said to be high end but I was wondering if there are others. I am talking about top of the line luxury spas with dedication to ultimate luxury, where a lot of thought has been put into the decor of the place and of course not forgetting a quality lineup.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Utopia, Lords, Copa Cabana, Emanuelle and Amsterdam falls in bracket of La Belle.

Office and Taragon are popular among wealthy locals.

How "high end" is your "high end"?

You may try few gentleman clubs and post some unique FR (if successful in taking girls home).

Review The Pent and The Pimp for me please. .

[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;1683353]Review The Pent and The Pimp for me please..[/QUOTE]Is there really a place called The Pent and the Pimp?

After a recent visit I will agree with those who say the lack of C & D cups is not a big thing to me. I don't even expect to see it in Thailand. I to prefer a nice set of.

Legs, ass and the face is important. If I see what looks good I want to talk to her and see what comes of it. Sitting there and saying nothing is a big no for me.

As far as cowboy disappearing I highly doubt it. Maybe it will change somewhat or move to a different location but that is about all. Pat Pong didn't disappear, it.
changed.

The Asian influence is there more than before but there are only so many Japanese to go around. I would be watching the Chinese in the future. As far as farlangs.
are concerned I would bet there are more western (Aussie, European, or and American) tourists combined than Japanese. My experience is that Cowboy has only one.main Asian bar and another
with half the crowd.

Now this is only my opinion and facts are not important. What matter is can I find something to satisfy me.

[QUOTE=GetsZa;1683034]Sorry where is this? Which station is it near? Is it more like a gogo bar? Do you know anywhere for paid sex like massage parlour without going thru many hoops that offer GFE.[/QUOTE]Try google maps, go there, explore, report.

[QUOTE=Mackin;1683362]After a recent visit I will agree with those who say the lack of C & D cups is not a big thing to me. I don't even expect to see it in Thailand. I to prefer a nice set of.

Legs, ass and the face is important. If I see what looks good I want to talk to her and see what comes of it. Sitting there and saying nothing is a big no for me.

As far as cowboy disappearing I highly doubt it. Maybe it will change somewhat or move to a different location but that is about all. Pat Pong didn't disappear, it.
changed.

The Asian influence is there more than before but there are only so many Japanese to go around. I would be watching the Chinese in the future. As far as farlangs.
are concerned I would bet there are more western (Aussie, European, or and American) tourists combined than Japanese. My experience is that Cowboy has only one.main Asian bar and another
with half the crowd.

Now this is only my opinion and facts are not important. What matter is can I find something to satisfy me.[/QUOTE]Cowboy can't "move to a different location" because there are no more licenses for GoGo bars being issued and the license is tied to the venue. Patpong has not disappeared. It has become a night market with a few GoGos around. Having been a resident for 15 years I can tell you the overall demographics are changing and that is overall for all tourists, and I am not just talking P4 P entertainment areas. Yes, there are lots of Chinese tourists, but very few are mongering. They have plenty of that in their country and it is not expensive like it is in Japan and Korea. Japanese expats was out number expats from any other nation. A quick look at the statistics for work permits issues will tell you that. The number of young Japanese mongers is also quite high. Hit Thermae lately? Lots of young dudes in there. Contrast that with many of the young Western hipster expats who are very turned off by mongering.

Bangkok is a very dynamic city. There have been more changes here in the last 15 years than most American cities have seen in triple that time. What I am saying is don't think the scene will be the same forever. It will change. Let me remind you that in Manila most all the GoGo bars were closed by one mayor and the Western entertainment areas were shut in Seoul overnight as well. Cowboy will not be there forever.

[QUOTE=MikeKelimir;1683318]Well I am literally changing my trip because of this. I have 2 months to go spend somewhere and this is not at all what I was hoping for. I was probably living in dreamland. I am so incredibly sick of $100 attitude girls here in Latin america, I just want to go somewhere in the world where there are still good deals and fun to be had. 26 hours on a plane and $1400 for a ticket for that type of budget is just not worth it.

I don't even know which country to start looking at to find the place I'm looking for. Probably it's back to Medellin for me. I want to cry.[/QUOTE]Check out the Philpines.

A few posters on this page have inquired about Latin American girls and prices compared to Bangkok. Since I lived in Peru for several years and have traveled extensively throughout the continent with the exception of Brasil, I think that I can contribute some information.

Prices in South America are generally cheaper but not so much to make a difference if contemplating changing venues to Asia. However, nothing compares to the the number of options in Bangkok to find a girl at any hour of the day or night and so many places to choose. Go-go bars, night clubs, discos, MP's, and free lance girls wandering the streets. It's a cornucopia of choice. Most places in Latin America don't have an area like Nana, as an example.

Cartagena, Colombia as an example, has a popular central plaza for tourists where free lance girls descend after 10 pm. They sit on park benches and hang out peddling their wares, so to speak. As usual, your negotiating skills can mean all the difference in pricing but for one hour, expect to pay about $75 USD for one hour and sometimes get a short term hotel as many hotels are not GF. Many of these girls have kids at home -- same like Bangkok.

One advantage, if you speak some Spanish, is the chance to talk to girls in a more social environment.

There is a famous disco there too but many guys end up paying ridiculous prices (I. E. $150 and up) plus lady drinks Etc.

The cheapest I ever paid was $25 to a little hottie I met near the central plaza in Granada, Nicaragua. However. I think her intent was to try to steal things from my room. Another time I paid $40 USD for a Colombia girl on one of the offshore islands in Panama but generally girls are going to want somewhere between $75 to $100 for an hour. As usual, ymmv.

I recently visited a club with chicas in Santa Marta, Colombia, which is a decrepit seaport four hours from Cartagena. I met a spectacular girl there and paid her $45 for an hour three days in a row. But the price was cheaper because the cost of living was cheaper than Cartagena and most guys there were Colombians who are accustomed to paying significantly less.

For what it is worth, I have found much better attitude, quality, and prices in Philippines than Bangkok. On one of their tourist islands, I found most girls who I met at this one particular nightclub would go with you for $40 US though would initially ask for more. I provided some reports in the PHP threads on my experiences. The only problem is many will pester you afterwards for more donations due to some kind of family catastrophe.

Frankly, I have been quite disappointed in Bangkok regarding the girls. Pricing, quality and attitude so far for me has been sub quality compared to other places I have visited. I hope it changes but not optimistic based on
My reading of this forum and conversations with male travelers in general.

Finally, Spanish is a fairly easy language to learn; Thai not so much. In the Philippines, girls speak better English than their counterparts in Thailand though their English skills can vary dramatically from person to person. Still, English script is everywhere and even their numbers are still of Spanish origin.

Ha, don't cancel your plane ticket. Good times can be had in Asia on a budget for little money.

1. Thailand is still the place to go. Pattaya: Soi 6 - 1000 bt ST + 300 bt room. Lots of girls and good time bars.
2. The PI is great too. AC: Perimeter Road Bars - Average EWR 1500p LT. Super friendly girls.
3. Indonesia is worth exploring as well. Jakarta: Brothels (for example Classic Hotel & Travel Hotel) - 300,000 idr ST. A ton of girls here.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1683491]Ha, don't cancel your plane ticket. Good times can be had in Asia on a budget for little money.

1. Thailand is still the place to go. Pattaya: Soi 6 - 1000 bt ST + 300 bt room. Lots of girls and good time bars.
2. The PI is great too. AC: Perimeter Road Bars - Average EWR 1500p LT. Super friendly girls.
3. Indonesia is worth exploring as well. Jakarta: Brothels (for example Classic Hotel & Travel Hotel) - 300,000 idr ST. A ton of girls here.[/QUOTE]
Natty,
The guy is looking for playboy-model type girls. He won't find those in the places you mention.

MikeKelimir,
Maybe the agogo bars of Pattaya are an option for you. You can find pretty girls in for example Baccara or Happy agogo. And they are cheaper than in Bangkok: about 2500 or 3000 for a real looker for a ST. Negotiate 2 hours in your hotel.
Avoid the Coyote agogo's as the bar fine is much higher.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1683477]Check out the Philpines.[/QUOTE]Playboy-model type girls can be found in the PI but will be just as expensive or even more expensive than in BKK. In places like Burgos or EDSA in Manila anyway.

The bars in Angeles City that cater to the Japanese and Koreans might be an option. You can have a looker (and probably a starfish) for about 3000 Pesos.

[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;1683353]Utopia, Lords, Copa Cabana, Emanuelle and Amsterdam falls in bracket of La Belle.

Office and Taragon are popular among wealthy locals.

How "high end" is your "high end"?

You may try few gentleman clubs and post some unique FR (if successful in taking girls home).

Review The Pent and The Pimp for me please. .[/QUOTE]My high end is as high as it goes. I am not worried about the cost as this will all be expensed. I have been to Bangkok twice and due to lack of experience or just plain stupidity I didn't really experience anything except Nana and Soi Cowboy. I never went to any of the high end soapies and massage parlors. I kick myself everyday for not knowing about La Belle or Emanuelle. This time I will be concentrating on trying out all the high end places. I will definitely check out La belle, Amsterdam, Utopia and the others you mentioned.

If there are other places or even better than the ones you mentioned please let me know.

[QUOTE=MikeKelimir;1683318]Well I am literally changing my trip because of this. I have 2 months to go spend somewhere and this is not at all what I was hoping for. I was probably living in dreamland. I am so incredibly sick of $100 attitude girls here in Latin america, I just want to go somewhere in the world where there are still good deals and fun to be had. 26 hours on a plane and $1400 for a ticket for that type of budget is just not worth it.

I don't even know which country to start looking at to find the place I'm looking for. Probably it's back to Medellin for me. I want to cry.[/QUOTE]Yes, unfortunately far too many guys toss $100 bills around like confetti. "Gee, it'd be cheaper at home. ".

Have you considered South Vietnam? Lots of lovely ladies, although in Saigon LT may be a bit challenging. It's do-able but can be a PITA. LT at the beaches tends to be easier. I think the prices will be a bit cheaper than BKK, the attitudes are quite often better.

Myanmar is very interesting, and with the easing of the government, getting a long-term "tour guide' is probably even easier than when I went.

Cambodia is plagued by overspenders, but hasn't yet reached the levels of Thailand. Cambodian girls are very sweet, but not as good looking, IMHO, as the Thais.

As others have said, the PI may be worth checking out.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1683551]Yes, unfortunately far too many guys toss $100 bills around like confetti. "Gee, it'd be cheaper at home. ".
Cambodia is plagued by overspenders, but hasn't yet reached the levels of Thailand. Cambodian girls are very sweet, but not as good looking, IMHO, as the Thais.[/QUOTE]My least favorite quote that comes out of guys mouths. And you hear it way to often.

Cambo was really great at one time. Have not been since '04. ST was 5 USD at brothels, and gals from Martini's or Sharkey's were 20 USD all night. It was already starting to degrade then. Cannot imagine it now. Of course you went to Cambo to have Viet gals back them. Sadly now I hear they have all been kicked out.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1683533]Playboy-model type girls can be found in the PI but will be just as expensive or even more expensive than in BKK. In places like Burgos or EDSA in Manila anyway.

The bars in Angeles City that cater to the Japanese and Koreans might be an option. You can have a looker (and probably a starfish) for about 3000 Pesos.[/QUOTE]The Philippines has beautiful women, and savage men. If I were a Korean (or any other human) I would think twice about the Philippines.

[URL]http://blogs.wsj.com/korearealtime/2014/09/16/most-dangerous-place-to-be-a-korean-the-philippines/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1683531]Natty,
You can find pretty girls in for example Baccara or Happy agogo. And they are cheaper than in Bangkok: about 2500 or 3000 for a real looker for a ST. Negotiate 2 hours in your hotel.
[/QUOTE]Cheaper than bkk? Whats the going rate in bkk now?

[QUOTE=Chrigu41;1683327]Is Love Me a good place? Attractive girls?[/QUOTE]It can be a lot of fun. At 3 am and a lot of beer everyone looks stunning! There are some very nice girls there and in Popeyes.

Hi everyone,

This is the fourth post of my "Checking BJ Bars" series. Here's the link to the previous posts:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1682125[/URL]#post1682125.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1682476[/URL]#post1682476.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1682902[/URL]#post1682902.

Checked this CodeWorded BJ Bar on another evening. Good line-up of about 10 girls outside all wearing naughty school-girl dresses. To my surprise, most of them were relatively young and some of them had really cute faces but none of them was actually a spinner type. Chose one youngish, chubby one with a cute face and we came up together. Upstairs there was a room were all the services / BJs took place. There were couches that were separated from each other by curtains. The whole area was lit by blue and red lights trying to build a sexy atmosphere. The service area was not crowded at all, only one of the curtains on the back was closed, so I assumed that there was only one other customer. Beside this, the first thing I noticed was a girl sitting alone on one of the couches near the entrance kinda playing with herself and concentrating to get off. And man she was so serious. Kinda practice I think. And absolutely funny!

Well! We went behind the curtains, initial take-offs and cleanings were done and she got to work. Not bad but soon her teeth came into action and I started to notice her teeth on my thing. It was not so bad but I really preferred the world without it. And that teeth made it harder for me to come so about 20 minutes and I blew it out. And in the last milliseconds, I noticed the strength of the pumping of the fluid flying out of the junior. Well! I was right and the fluid flew down her throat making her cough but to my surprise she didn't give up on my thing and milked it to the last drop.

And this choking / coughing happened again! I had never been in a BJ bar other than SOL before and it never happened there but in my trip this is the third (out of four) time that this happens. Is it actually related to the ability / experience of the girl doing the BJ or is it something that I should take care of to avoid such a situation?

Nevertheless, job done! Cleanings and we went done. 800 THB to the bar, 200 THB tip to the girl and off I went.

To sum up, Line-up was good, I liked the ambiance of the place, and it was tidy and clean. On the downside, quality of the BJ I received was not so good due to involvement of the giver's teeth.

My next report is going to be about Som's Haven.

Have a good time guys!

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1683564]Cheaper than bkk? Whats the going rate in bkk now?[/QUOTE]These are also the current rates in Bangkok now. The same as Pattaya.

[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;1683353]Utopia, Lords, Copa Cabana, Emanuelle and Amsterdam falls in bracket of La Belle.

Office and Taragon are popular among wealthy locals.
[/QUOTE]Questions, Does Copacabana belong in this group? I've only been once, late in the evening. There weren't a lot of women left, and the upstairs section was closing down. I didn't notice anything special about the fishbowl, women or rooms.

I'm assuming the Office isn't the bar on Sukhumvit Soi 33?

[QUOTE=Tiny12;1683754]Questions, Does Copacabana belong in this group? I've only been once, late in the evening. There weren't a lot of women left, and the upstairs section was closing down. I didn't notice anything special about the fishbowl, women or rooms.[/QUOTE]It is part of the Lord Group. Not all locations are as upscale as The Lord Palace. Here's the url to a map of the locations.

[URL]http://www.thelord2009.com/contact.php{tagreplacement1}[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tiny12;1683754]I'm assuming the Office isn't the bar on Sukhumvit Soi 33?[/QUOTE]It is not. Here's the url to the Office that has been mentioned recently on ISG.

[URL]http://www.theofficemassageclub.com/index.php[/URL]

Hi, all, new guy here.

I am hoping to get to Thailand in the latter half of April, spending time in BKK, Phuket and Pattaya. I have been reading the prolific postings. Information overload!

The question that I will start off with deals with what area to stay in BKK for the first leg of my trip. Obviously, I want to hang out near the Hana or Soi Cowboy areas on Sukhumvit, but should I stay closer to Hana or closer to Soi Cowboy, or somewhere in the middle?

I know there will be a difference of opinion on which mongering area is "best", so perhaps I should state the kind of experience I am looking for. I will then be 60, but am slender, look younger than I am, healthy, soft spoken, easily amused, don't smoke and don't really drink much. Beer is not my thing, nor getting drunk. I treat everyone with respect and don't wish to take advantage of anyone, even gogo girls. I prefer the spinner type Asian, young (over 18 certainly), tight body and firm stomach, no kids or droopy breasts, super pretty to beautiful, great legs, long hair, few tattoos or piercings, etc. I would probably want to spend time with some model types as well (more on that another time), and realize those areas are not on Sukhumvit. Don't care for chubby girls or ones with defective boob jobs.

The reason for thinking I should stay at one end of Sukhumvit or the other is a comment someone made about some girls getting upset if they have to walk very far. For example, would a bar girl from Hana get upset about walking to the Sofitel? A taxi would solve everything I suppose, but if ST is still 2 hours (questionable), a 10 or 15 minute walk with her might be fun. Now, walking from Hana to Terminal 21 might be a bit of a walk, so I can understand if she would insist on a taxi. While I will probably make that walk solo during the day to get in some street photography (I am an advanced amateur photographer), I think that would be too far to walk with a bar girl.

I would prefer to stay near a BTS station due to hauling luggage around. I would probably have one largish bag and a backpack. I have no idea how easy or hard it would be to haul stuff down Sukhumvit to a hotel. I can deal with taxis, but being a nube, I would rather avoid them to the extent possible, at least until I get comfortable with the area.

As for the type of hotel I want (and I have read lots thus far about them) I want a nice one, with in-room WiFi and a good A / see, but the best overall location is, for me, more important than price, but I really don't how what, for me, IS the best location. Hence, I am seeking advice.

Thanks

Hawk, The short answer is it doesn't matter where you stay. Nana has more women of the type you're looking for. But Cowboy is more convenient to Ratchadapisek Road (see below), and has Baccara. While I'm not a fan of Baccara, it's as good a place as any to find what you say you're looking for in terms of appearance. There are many, many entertainment options (massage, beer bars, clubs, karaoke, etc.) on the sois (side roads) branching off of Sukhumvit all the way from the Nana area to and past Cowboy.

My only suggestion would be you might want to pick a hotel that's not too far down the soi from the main Sukhumvit Road. I say "might" because I've stayed at several places that involved major hikes to Sukhumvit, President Park probably being the farthest, and they all had their charms.

Your date is likely to either be wearing heals or be lazy and will prefer a taxi. Taxis are readily available and inexpensive, as long as you get one that uses the meter. Frequently taxis parked in front of hotels or places like Nana will try to jack the price up. If so, walk half a block and find another one.

You should take a taxi from the airport directly to your hotel and not jack with mass transit. The cost should be under 10 dollars.

Trip Advisor and Google Maps are your friends. Find some places on Trip Advisor or this site that sound good and check the locations, with respect to Sukhumvit and if important to you, BTS stations (the skytrain). If you want to make sure the hotel is girl friendly, google "girl friendly hotels Bangkok" and look at the links. Or do a search on the hotel name on this site.

Based on your comments about models, you'd probably enjoy the massage places on Ratchadapisek Road. These are accessible via taxi, or by the MRT. There's an MRT station right next to the Asoke BTS station, and both are very close to Soi Cowboy.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1683806]Hi, all, new guy here.

I am hoping to get to Thailand in the latter half of April, spending time in BKK, Phuket and Pattaya. I have been reading the prolific postings. Information overload!

The question that I will start off with deals with what area to stay in BKK for the first leg of my trip. Obviously, I want to hang out near the Hana or Soi Cowboy areas on Sukhumvit, but should I stay closer to Hana or closer to Soi Cowboy, or somewhere in the middle?

I know there will be a difference of opinion on which mongering area is "best", so perhaps I should state the kind of experience I am looking for. I will then be 60, but am slender, look younger than I am, healthy, soft spoken, easily amused, don't smoke and don't really drink much. Beer is not my thing, nor getting drunk. I treat everyone with respect and don't wish to take advantage of anyone, even gogo girls. I prefer the spinner type Asian, young (over 18 certainly), tight body and firm stomach, no kids or droopy breasts, super pretty to beautiful, great legs, long hair, few tattoos or piercings, etc. I would probably want to spend time with some model types as well (more on that another time), and realize those areas are not on Sukhumvit. Don't care for chubby girls or ones with defective boob jobs.

The reason for thinking I should stay at one end of Sukhumvit or the other is a comment someone made about some girls getting upset if they have to walk very far. For example, would a bar girl from Hana get upset about walking to the Sofitel? A taxi would solve everything I suppose, but if ST is still 2 hours (questionable), a 10 or 15 minute walk with her might be fun. Now, walking from Hana to Terminal 21 might be a bit of a walk, so I can understand if she would insist on a taxi. While I will probably make that walk solo during the day to get in some street photography (I am an advanced amateur photographer), I think that would be too far to walk with a bar girl.

I would prefer to stay near a BTS station due to hauling luggage around. I would probably have one largish bag and a backpack. I have no idea how easy or hard it would be to haul stuff down Sukhumvit to a hotel. I can deal with taxis, but being a nube, I would rather avoid them to the extent possible, at least until I get comfortable with the area.

As for the type of hotel I want (and I have read lots thus far about them) I want a nice one, with in-room WiFi and a good A / see, but the best overall location is, for me, more important than price, but I really don't how what, for me, IS the best location. Hence, I am seeking advice.

Thanks[/QUOTE]For hotels close to the action I liked and have been to.

Dynasty Inn. Kind of budget $60/ night. Next to Nana. Get the upgraded rooms in the back. You have to book thru their website.

Amari Hotel on soi 7. Upscale but you can get bargain rates thru Amari website <$100/ night.

Aloft Hotel on soi 11. Nice newer and clean hotel. Around $100/ night.

All 3 hotels were in good locations for the action.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1683531]Natty,

The guy is looking for playboy-model type girls. He won't find those in the places you mention.

MikeKelimir,

Maybe the agogo bars of Pattaya are an option for you. You can find pretty girls in for example Baccara or Happy agogo. And they are cheaper than in Bangkok: about 2500 or 3000 for a real looker for a ST. Negotiate 2 hours in your hotel.

Avoid the Coyote agogo's as the bar fine is much higher.[/QUOTE]There are pretty girls in Pa. Baccarra. There are absolutely none in Happy-a-gogo-the bset you get there is ok looking.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1683806] I have no idea how easy or hard it would be to haul stuff down Sukhumvit to a hotel. I can deal with taxis, but being a nube, I would rather avoid them to the extent possible, at least until I get comfortable with the area.[/QUOTE]I can picture it now, you sitting thru a 24 hour flight to reach Bangkok and then trying to find your way using the BTS system, then trying to lug your luggage down a little narrow walkway being used by a thousand pedestrians (ok 500), all in 95 degree weather. As to getting advice, read the board and do research, its all at your fingertips using google streetview.

Hey BKK cabbies are not all that bad. Ok they will try to rip you if you are not carefull. Cabbies all over the world are the same. Make it clear that you will pay by meter + the tolls before boarding the cab. The weather in BKK is not particularly nice for traveling by BTS and hauling your luggage to the hotel after a long flight.

As for your stay, if you are not on a budget I will recommend either Landmark or Sofitel. Both are 5* and within 5 minutes walking distance from the action. Otherwise you may also stay at Phachara suites or Dynasty Grand. Both are 4* and walkable distance from NEP on soi-6.

And check the link below for answers to all your possible queries.

http://www.bangkokredeye.com/

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1683806]Hi, all, new guy here.

I am hoping to get to Thailand in the latter half of April, spending time in BKK, Phuket and Pattaya. I have been reading the prolific postings. Information overload!

The question that I will start off with deals with what area to stay in BKK for the first leg of my trip. Obviously, I want to hang out near the Hana or Soi Cowboy areas on Sukhumvit, but should I stay closer to Hana or closer to Soi Cowboy, or somewhere in the middle?


Thanks[/QUOTE]

Hey I stayed at Radisson Blu Plaza two months ago and its right next to Soi Cowboy. Its close to everything and girl friendly. Sofitel also is an option.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1683806]Hi, all, new guy here.

I am hoping to get to Thailand in the latter half of April, spending time in BKK, Phuket and Pattaya. I have been reading the prolific postings. Information overload!

The question that I will start off with deals with what area to stay in BKK for the first leg of my trip. Obviously, I want to hang out near the Hana or Soi Cowboy areas on Sukhumvit, but should I stay closer to Hana or closer to Soi Cowboy, or somewhere in the middle?

I know there will be a difference of opinion on which mongering area is "best", so perhaps I should state the kind of experience I am looking for. I will then be 60, but am slender, look younger than I am, healthy, soft spoken, easily amused, don't smoke and don't really drink much. Beer is not my thing, nor getting drunk. I treat everyone with respect and don't wish to take advantage of anyone, even gogo girls. I prefer the spinner type Asian, young (over 18 certainly), tight body and firm stomach, no kids or droopy breasts, super pretty to beautiful, great legs, long hair, few tattoos or piercings, etc. I would probably want to spend time with some model types as well (more on that another time), and realize those areas are not on Sukhumvit. Don't care for chubby girls or ones with defective boob jobs.

The reason for thinking I should stay at one end of Sukhumvit or the other is a comment someone made about some girls getting upset if they have to walk very far. For example, would a bar girl from Hana get upset about walking to the Sofitel? A taxi would solve everything I suppose, but if ST is still 2 hours (questionable), a 10 or 15 minute walk with her might be fun. Now, walking from Hana to Terminal 21 might be a bit of a walk, so I can understand if she would insist on a taxi. While I will probably make that walk solo during the day to get in some street photography (I am an advanced amateur photographer), I think that would be too far to walk with a bar girl.

I would prefer to stay near a BTS station due to hauling luggage around. I would probably have one largish bag and a backpack. I have no idea how easy or hard it would be to haul stuff down Sukhumvit to a hotel. I can deal with taxis, but being a nube, I would rather avoid them to the extent possible, at least until I get comfortable with the area.

As for the type of hotel I want (and I have read lots thus far about them) I want a nice one, with in-room WiFi and a good A / see, but the best overall location is, for me, more important than price, but I really don't how what, for me, IS the best location. Hence, I am seeking advice.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1683806]
The question that I will start off with deals with what area to stay in BKK for the first leg of my trip. Obviously, I want to hang out near the Hana or Soi Cowboy areas on Sukhumvit, but should I stay closer to Hana or closer to Soi Cowboy, or somewhere in the middle?
[/QUOTE]It doesn't matter so much where you stay. You don't mind walking and Nana and Soi Cowboy are only a 15 minute walk apart from one another. And if you don't want to walk you can always take the BTS from Nana to Asok or vice versa (although climbing up the stairs and waiting for the train can be just as tiring).

Most girls prefer to take a taxi to your hotel. Always hail a taxi that is driving by, don't take one that is standing still and certainly not near Nana or Soi Cowboy. In my experience 99% of the drivers turn on the meter. Bangkok cabbies are OK in general.

Hey FlHawk,

I live temporarily in an apartment on Soi 8. Next door is a decent Citadines with a free tuk tuk to Suk. Also, the Adelphi Suites on Soi 8 and much closer to Suk is pretty nice. I looked at the rooms and suites and they are really nice plus it has a decent ambience. Not sure of price but it is a one minute walk to Nana BTS station or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s on Soi 6, if so inclined.

And I agree about taking the BTS from airport. It will be hot when you arrive and plenty of stairs to negotiate plus crowds all day long.

Codeword 901 is that naughty name from V. Nabokov novel of same title. Jeez!

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1684108]And I agree about taking the BTS from airport. It will be hot when you arrive and plenty of stairs to negotiate plus crowds all day long.[/QUOTE]On my last trip I saw an Indian family leaving my hotel with 6 large pieces of luggage for the 4 of them. Only the husband was large enough to carry any of them. They waited outside of the hotel and finally managed to find a taxi willing to drive them down the soi to the metro station. What transpired after they were dropped off was one man trying to get 6 pieces of luggage onto the escalator and keeping anybody else from using the stairs. There's a point where being thrifty (cheap) isn't worth the savings.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1683806]I will then be 60, but am slender, look younger than I am, healthy, soft spoken, easily amused, don't smoke and don't really drink much. Beer is not my thing, nor getting drunk. I treat everyone with respect and don't wish to take advantage of anyone, even gogo girls.
[/QUOTE]Replace 60 with 50 and you've just described me.

[QUOTE]
The reason for thinking I should stay at one end of Sukhumvit or the other is a comment someone made about some girls getting upset if they have to walk very far. For example, would a bar girl from Hana get upset about walking to the Sofitel?
[/QUOTE]Yes. She wouldn't want to walk that far in heels. A taxi is the solution.

[QUOTE]
A taxi would solve everything I suppose, but if ST is still 2 hours (questionable), a 10 or 15 minute walk with her might be fun. Now, walking from Hana to Terminal 21 might be a bit of a walk, so I can understand if she would insist on a taxi. While I will probably make that walk solo during the day to get in some street photography (I am an advanced amateur photographer), I think that would be too far to walk with a bar girl.
[/QUOTE]Correct. That is way too far for a lady in heels.

[QUOTE]
I would prefer to stay near a BTS station due to hauling luggage around. I would probably have one largish bag and a backpack. I have no idea how easy or hard it would be to haul stuff down Sukhumvit to a hotel. I can deal with taxis, but being a nube, I would rather avoid them to the extent possible, at least until I get comfortable with the area.
[/QUOTE]I would also suggest staying near either NANA or ASOKE BTS stations. But not because of wanting to avoid taxis. There is no reason to fear taxi drivers in Bangkok. When you arrive at BKK airport for the first time, the sensible thing is to make sure you have about 500 Baht in 100 Baht notes, and then take a taxi to your hotel. I must have done this dozens of times, and I have never had any problems of any sort. Except when I tried to pay the driver with a 1000 baht note. Don't do that. On later trips to BKK you should try using the train to get downtown, but not the first time.

[QUOTE]
As for the type of hotel I want (and I have read lots thus far about them) I want a nice one, with in-room WiFi and a good A / see, but the best overall location is, for me, more important than price, but I really don't how what, for me, IS the best location. Hence, I am seeking advice.
[/QUOTE]Many good hotels have been suggested. These are my favorites. They are all VERY girl friendly. And the girls like these hotels too:

Grande Millenium near Asoke BTS: Super convenient, luxurious hotel, very short walking distance to Soi Cowboy. Girls won't mind at all walking. It's a two minute walk, literally. A four minute walk to the BTS station.

Sheraton Grande Sukhumvit. It's hard to get closer to the Asoke BTS. Walking distance to Soi Cowboy. No problem.

Landmark. Many rooms have a direct view down onto Nana. Walking distance to Nana, and to Nana BTS.

And the hotel which has been my favourite, between Nana and Soi Cowboy: Four Points by Sheraton (FP in the US generally suck, this is a superb hotel). Girls may walk with you from Soi Cowboy, but you should use a taxi from Nana. The Sofitel is close to FP and I hear really good things about it - however the closest I have gotten to Sofitel is the pool at FP - Sofitel casts a shadow over the FP pool for quite a few hours every day....

For photography in BKK I have other suggestions, but that's another story. Can't wait to get back to BKK in 5 weeks.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1683806]I prefer the spinner type Asian, young (over 18 certainly), tight body and firm stomach, no kids or droopy breasts, super pretty to beautiful, great legs, long hair, few tattoos or piercings, etc. I would probably want to spend time with some model types as well (more on that another time), and realize those areas are not on Sukhumvit. Don't care for chubby girls or ones with defective boob jobs.[/QUOTE]You've just described "model types. " I'm not sure how much "better" a model type might be, based upon your minimum standards.

To see a reasonable cross-section of what's available, go to the [URL]stickmanweekly.com[/URL] site and look at his "Girl of the week" pictures. Is this the sort you're looking for? Most are thin and have nice hair. No kids? Try Vietnam. No tats? Very difficult to find these days. Long hair is hit and miss. Not as popular as it once was. Personally, I don't find his go-go girls particularly attractive. The escorts, IMHO, seem to be better looking, overall. The point, however, is these girls are supposed to be the crme de la crme. The other 99%, well...

If you expect lower Sukhumvit to be chock full of the girls you describe, I think you're about 15 years too late. You may have far more luck in the higher-end massage establishments on Ratchada.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1684049]I can picture it now, you sitting thru a 24 hour flight to reach Bangkok and then trying to find your way using the BTS system, then trying to lug your luggage down a little narrow walkway being used by a thousand pedestrians (ok 500), all in 95 degree weather.[/QUOTE]Haha You make an excellent point about skipping the BTS and taking a taxi. I guess I keep thinking a taxi ride that far will cost an arm and a leg. I have done a lot of research, but that one escaped me. Right now, I am making notes and trying to get the important things planned out, and I will be checking taxi prices from the airport.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1684241]Haha You make an excellent point about skipping the BTS and taking a taxi. I guess I keep thinking a taxi ride that far will cost an arm and a leg. I have done a lot of research, but that one escaped me. Right now, I am making notes and trying to get the important things planned out, and I will be checking taxi prices from the airport.[/QUOTE]The cab fare from the airport should be less than $20. Fare should run between 400 to 500 baht (including tolls) with a tip of 100 baht to Suk Soi 11. This is less than taking a shuttle in any major US city. The cab drivers are fast and efficient because they want to turn around quickly and make a good fare back to the airport.

Once you arrive at the airport, you will leave the customs area on the second level. Take the ramp or escalator down to the street level where you will see the cab lines. The folks there will assign you the next cab waiting after you tell them what your destination is. They will give you a receipt that has the cab company and number with your destination. You keep your copy, the driver gets a copy and the airport keeps one as protection against cabs that may want to gouge a tourist. The folks assigning the cabs are paid by the airport or the cab companies in an attempt to protect arriving tourists from gypsy or rouge cabs that may hurt the tourist trade.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1684113]Codeword 901 is that naughty name from V. Nabokov novel of same title. Jeez![/QUOTE]List of prohibited words and reason.

[URL]http://isgprohibitedwords.info/index.php[/URL]

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1684252] The folks assigning the cabs are paid by the airport or the cab companies in an attempt to protect arriving tourists from gypsy or rouge cabs that may hurt the tourist trade.[/QUOTE]And that means a 50 baht fee on top of the meter and the tolls. Tipping is voluntary and some tens bath will do. I don't mind the bucks, but this is not US where tipping is a must.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1684252]The cab fare from the airport should be less than $20. Fare should run between 400 to 500 baht (including tolls) with a tip of 100 baht to Suk Soi 11. This is less than taking a shuttle in any major US city. The cab drivers are fast and efficient because they want to turn around quickly and make a good fare back to the airport.[/QUOTE]Other than rounding off the meter fare so as not to end up with a lots of nickels and dimes in your pocket, tipping a cabbie is not customary in Thailand. A friendly smile and an honest "thank you" still go a long way in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1684388]Other than rounding off the meter fare so as not to end up with a lots of nickels and dimes in your pocket, tipping a cabbie is not customary in Thailand. A friendly smile and an honest "thank you" still go a long way in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Never paid more then 400 bath for airport to BKK city sukhumvit area.

Cheers,

Rolo

Thanks for the remarks. Most appreciated. I will definitely take a taxi to and from the airport.

In my first question, I was wondering primarily if I should stay in a hotel close to either Nana (NEP) or Soil Cowboy (SC) so as to minimize the walking distance for a girl I might bring back. The consensus is that it shouldn't matter, since for the comfort of the girl who may be wearing heels, I should always use a taxi, thus making the distance irrelevant.

A follow up question arises, and I am aware that there may be some debate and disagreement, is:

For a Thailand newbie, should their first visit be to the NEP or to SC?

In my research going back a few years here and there, the consensus has oscillated as to which is the best overall place, with many today saying they are both bad. Note: I am not to mongering. I am a senior member in the USA section and have spent many hours in Pahrump and Carson City. But mongering in Thailand is different! I have to assume that for a first timer one place may be slightly less overwhelming than the other.

Factors that might come into consideration are the type of girl I would be looking for (18-28, upper end of the looks scale, tight and toned); where there are fewer LBs to have to worry about; where there may be less harassment from the girls, bouncers, mamasan's, etc; where there is less risk of scamming; where there might be some expats to seek refuge with; etc.

I do plan on exploring both areas, and which ever place I visit the first night I would visit the other the next night, so perhaps it is not a big deal.

FYI, my tentative arrival date into BKK will be around April 15.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1684651]Thanks for the remarks. Most appreciated. I will definitely take a taxi to and from the airport.

In my first question, I was wondering primarily if I should stay in a hotel close to either Nana (NEP) or Soil Cowboy (SC) so as to minimize the walking distance for a girl I might bring back. The consensus is that it shouldn't matter, since for the comfort of the girl who may be wearing heels, I should always use a taxi, thus making the distance irrelevant.

A follow up question arises, and I am aware that there may be some debate and disagreement, is:

For a Thailand newbie, should their first visit be to the NEP or to SC?

In my research going back a few years here and there, the consensus has oscillated as to which is the best overall place, with many today saying they are both bad. Note: I am not to mongering. I am a senior member in the USA section and have spent many hours in Pahrump and Carson City. But mongering in Thailand is different! I have to assume that for a first timer one place may be slightly less overwhelming than the other.

Factors that might come into consideration are the type of girl I would be looking for (18-28, upper end of the looks scale, tight and toned); where there are fewer LBs to have to worry about; where there may be less harassment from the girls, bouncers, mamasan's, etc; where there is less risk of scamming; where there might be some expats to seek refuge with; etc.

I do plan on exploring both areas, and which ever place I visit the first night I would visit the other the next night, so perhaps it is not a big deal.

FYI, my tentative arrival date into BKK will be around April 15.[/QUOTE]Don't forget to take you paincoat with you.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1684651]Thanks for the remarks. Most appreciated. I will definitely take a taxi to and from the airport.

In my first question, I was wondering primarily if I should stay in a hotel close to either Nana (NEP) or Soil Cowboy (SC) so as to minimize the walking distance for a girl I might bring back. The consensus is that it shouldn't matter, since for the comfort of the girl who may be wearing heels, I should always use a taxi, thus making the distance irrelevant.

A follow up question arises, and I am aware that there may be some debate and disagreement, is:

For a Thailand newbie, should their first visit be to the NEP or to SC?

In my research going back a few years here and there, the consensus has oscillated as to which is the best overall place, with many today saying they are both bad. Note: I am not to mongering. I am a senior member in the USA section and have spent many hours in Pahrump and Carson City. But mongering in Thailand is different! I have to assume that for a first timer one place may be slightly less overwhelming than the other.

Factors that might come into consideration are the type of girl I would be looking for (18-28, upper end of the looks scale, tight and toned); where there are fewer LBs to have to worry about; where there may be less harassment from the girls, bouncers, mamasan's, etc; where there is less risk of scamming; where there might be some expats to seek refuge with; etc.

I do plan on exploring both areas, and which ever place I visit the first night I would visit the other the next night, so perhaps it is not a big deal.

FYI, my tentative arrival date into BKK will be around April 15.[/QUOTE]NEP and SC are within walking distance of each other, or, if you prefer to use the BTS, they are on adjacent stops. It doesn't matter where you stay in lower Suk, they will both be readily accessible.

IMHO you'll be hard pressed to find lots of 18-28 tight toned long-haired beauties. But maybe you enjoy the hunt. There are a lot fewer LBs in SC. NEP is probably 50% LB. Maybe not, but it does seem that way at times. NEP has something like 5 LB bars, SC has one. There is no place free of scams. Don't worry about bouncers unless you intend to get drunk and make a spectacle of yourself. Expats to hang out with may be a problem. Fewer and fewer expats hang out at go-go bars, so you'll probably have to start looking in the smaller venues, beer bars, etc. You can try striking up a conversation with the farang at the adjacent table, although that is really hit and miss. SC is no longer the quiet soi, full of expat-supported watering holes, that it once was.

If you must come in mid-April, either come before Songkran, so you can get situated and then enjoy the fiasco (everybody should experience it once). Or, wait until after the 15th when things get back to normal.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1684651]Factors that might come into consideration are the type of girl I would be looking for (18-28, upper end of the looks scale, tight and toned); where there are fewer LBs to have to worry about; where there may be less harassment from the girls, bouncers, mamasan's, etc; where there is less risk of scamming; where there might be some expats to seek refuge with; etc.

I do plan on exploring both areas, and which ever place I visit the first night I would visit the other the next night, so perhaps it is not a big deal.

FYI, my tentative arrival date into BKK will be around April 15.[/QUOTE]Rainbow4 in NEP and Baccara in Soi Cowboy might be the places for you to look for your desired girls.

Don't worry too much about LBs. They have separate bars in NEP and Soi Cowboy, you won't find them mixed in with the girls like in Patpong.

It's indeed not a big deal which area you visit first.

And about arriving around April 15: just google 'Songkran' and then reschedule your flight, LOL! You don't want to be there then, at least that's my opinion.

One is never too old to repeat same mistakes. After 24 hour voyage to Bangkok I decided to get shitfaced on Thai whiskey. Because of the proximity of my hotel to the Nana entertainment complex, I did not have to go far. Somehow, I managed to miss the plaza and pick up a girl on the street. Best to my recollection she was in her early 20's, had a great firm body with a bush and thicker thighs. I did not see an ounce of fat on her. Unfortunately, the alcohol interfered with a happy ending. My second day was much better. Decided to walk to soi Cowboy and check out Suzi Wong go go bar to see some nudity. I was surprised at the number of nice looking girls and bodies. Everybody was nice including the mamasan. I bought her a drink and she gave me a hand massage while the girl of my choosing was massaging Mr. Johnson and she was proudly showing the results of her handy work. The lesbian show was outstanding. I picked a bleached blonde whose name sounded like a T. This girl provided excellent service and a GF experience. I was impressed by the number of good looking girls on the soi. Overall, a pretty decent couple of days.

Hi everyone,

This is the fifth post of my "Checking BJ Bars" series. Here's the link to the previous posts:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1682125[/URL]#post1682125.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1682476[/URL]#post1682476.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1682902[/URL]#post1682902.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1683656[/URL]#post1683656.

One early afternoon, around 1:15 PM, I was just out of Bamboo Massage after a 2-hour adventurous 3-shot experience, feeling kinda empty and numb, and the idea of making a visit to Som's Haven suddenly came into my mind. "Well! Why not?" I told myself and headed toward Soi 14. In a matter of minutes, I was right at their doors. Line-up of four girls outside, all enjoying their lunch except one. And all of them were kinda young and cute. And yes! Two of them were spinner type. Chose the girl named "M", who seemed to have finished her lunch a little earlier and we went upstairs together. Upstairs, at first glance, reminded me of Dr. BJ's. There was a corridor with a few doors on the left side opening to the BJ private rooms / cubicles. No surprises that I was the only customer in the venue at that time of the day.

So, we went to one of the rooms. Room, IMHO, was actually better decorated than those of Dr. BJ's and it had a small washing sink separated from the room by a small curtain. Soon, the initial greetings and cleanings were done and the BJ part started. Not bad! A very little amount of teeth involved but was not a turn-off at all. 10 minutes passed and I was not even close to the finishing point but the girl started to get a little uncomfortable. She started complaining about the pain in her neck (kinda neck arthritis which might be a possible defect of this job in the long run) and I could see in her face that she was right about it. So, I started to massage her neck using my medical massaging skills trying to relieve her pain while she was proceeding with her job. In a few minutes, her neck was in pain again, so, I asked her to stop and we switched to boom boom. Condom on and we started the job. First, face-to-face, with me sitting and her trying to ride me, but soon we switched to doggy and the missionary and went on with it to the end. Man! I was totally out of energy. We hugged each other for a while and then we cleaned ourselves, put on the cloths, and went downstairs.

Downstairs, I saw a lady behind the bar, which, I guess, was Som herself. 1200 THB to the bar and 300 THB tip to the girl and I said goodbye and left the place.

All in all, good experience. Nice and clean place, Small but quality line-up, and friendly behavior are what I liked from my experience. On the downside, girl's neck pain killed off part of my mood which she made up for in the boom-boom part, and IMHO, the type and placement of sofas in the room was not ideal for sex at all.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1684651]
Factors that might come into consideration are the type of girl I would be looking for (18-28, upper end of the looks scale, tight and toned); where there are fewer LBs to have to worry about; where there may be less harassment from the girls, bouncers, mamasan's, etc; where there is less risk of scamming; where there might be some expats to seek refuge with; etc.

I do plan on exploring both areas, and which ever place I visit the first night I would visit the other the next night, so perhaps it is not a big deal.

FYI, my tentative arrival date into BKK will be around April 15.[/QUOTE]In my experience, Soi Cowboy is more laid back, less hustling for ladydrinks (except in Afterschool bar) and less ladyboys (except of course in the Cock-a-too club). But by all means, explore both areas.

As to age and beauty of the girls, there is something for all tastes in both areas. I have always had good service from the somewhat less young and anyhow, if she looks 25 she is probably 30 (at least).

My best fare from Tulip to Lat Krabang was 160 baht. I was stunned. My worst was 370 baht from lat krabang to Annies. Meter the first time, fixed rate the second time.

[QUOTE=Rolodido;1684552]Never paid more then 400 bath for airport to BKK city sukhumvit area.

Cheers,

Rolo[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1684651]Thanks for the remarks. Most appreciated. I will definitely take a taxi to and from the airport.

In my first question, I was wondering primarily if I should stay in a hotel close to either Nana (NEP) or Soil Cowboy (SC) so as to minimize the walking distance for a girl I might bring back. The consensus is that it shouldn't matter, since for the comfort of the girl who may be wearing heels, I should always use a taxi, thus making the distance irrelevant.

A follow up question arises, and I am aware that there may be some debate and disagreement, is:

For a Thailand newbie, should their first visit be to the NEP or to SC?

In my research going back a few years here and there, the consensus has oscillated as to which is the best overall place, with many today saying they are both bad. Note: I am not to mongering. I am a senior member in the USA section and have spent many hours in Pahrump and Carson City. But mongering in Thailand is different! I have to assume that for a first timer one place may be slightly less overwhelming than the other.

Factors that might come into consideration are the type of girl I would be looking for (18-28, upper end of the looks scale, tight and toned); where there are fewer LBs to have to worry about; where there may be less harassment from the girls, bouncers, mamasan's, etc; where there is less risk of scamming; where there might be some expats to seek refuge with; etc.

I do plan on exploring both areas, and which ever place I visit the first night I would visit the other the next night, so perhaps it is not a big deal.

FYI, my tentative arrival date into BKK will be around April 15.[/QUOTE]Do both in any order. It makes no difference, but if LB's worry you, there are fewer in SC.

My advice is to reschedule so you miss Songkran.

Johnie.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1684651]Thanks for the remarks. Most appreciated. I will definitely take a taxi to and from the airport.

In my first question, I was wondering primarily if I should stay in a hotel close to either Nana (NEP) or Soil Cowboy (SC) so as to minimize the walking distance for a girl I might bring back. The consensus is that it shouldn't matter, since for the comfort of the girl who may be wearing heels, I should always use a taxi, thus making the distance irrelevant.

A follow up question arises, and I am aware that there may be some debate and disagreement, is:

For a Thailand newbie, should their first visit be to the NEP or to SC?

In my research going back a few years here and there, the consensus has oscillated as to which is the best overall place, with many today saying they are both bad. Note: I am not to mongering. I am a senior member in the USA section and have spent many hours in Pahrump and Carson City. But mongering in Thailand is different! I have to assume that for a first timer one place may be slightly less overwhelming than the other.

Factors that might come into consideration are the type of girl I would be looking for (18-28, upper end of the looks scale, tight and toned); where there are fewer LBs to have to worry about; where there may be less harassment from the girls, bouncers, mamasan's, etc; where there is less risk of scamming; where there might be some expats to seek refuge with; etc.

I do plan on exploring both areas, and which ever place I visit the first night I would visit the other the next night, so perhaps it is not a big deal.

FYI, my tentative arrival date into BKK will be around April 15.[/QUOTE]Your Hotel can be anywhere reasonably close. Some girls do not like to go very far at all. So no more than 2 kilometres. Yes Take a taxi to go to Hotel unless its only 60 metres away.

It's best to look in several bars, and decide what you like, yourself. In Nana I would look Rainbow 4, Candyland 2 (I know a very toned girl there that performs), Spankies, and Angel Witch.

At Cowboy, look in Crazy House, Long Gun, Suzie Wong, Doll House, Tilac, Sharks, Baccara. The first 4 listed will have complete nudity at times, which is why I prefer them. I don't actually like Sharks or Bacarra as there is too much fake noses, fake tits, etc. Girls don't even look particularly Thai with all the alterations. There is a shortage of toned girls in Suzi Wong and Doll House. A few too many fatties, but some okay.

Sometimes its more about having favourite girls rather than favourite bars. Start in bars early. Good girls get booked early.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1683806]Hi, all, new guy here.

I am hoping to get to Thailand in the latter half of April, spending time in BKK, Phuket and Pattaya.

I would prefer to stay near a BTS station due to hauling luggage around. I would probably have one largish bag and a backpack. I have no idea how easy or hard it would be to haul stuff down Sukhumvit to a hotel. I can deal with taxis, but being a nube, I would rather avoid them to the extent possible, at least until I get comfortable with the area.

Thanks[/QUOTE]If you are traveling light "one largish bag and a backpack" which you are, I would take the airport rail link (train). It costs 45 baht, less than $2 USD. But it also depends what time you are arriving in BKK, the airport train starts at 6 am to midnight.

At the airport after you get out of customs / immigration, you take the escalators down below like everyone else, then go one level below the street and that's where the train is. There is not a lot of people when you get on, you get your choice seat.

You take that train and head for Makkasan Station. At Makkasan station, you can get a taxi for a very short ride to either Nana or Soi Cowboy area. Yes that airport rail will get crowded as the train makes it's stops, but you got on at the beginning so, you have a seat.

That's what I did, wasn't hard at all and saved my money for the chicks.

[URL]http://www.suvarnabhumiairport.com/en/121-airport-rail-link[/URL]

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1685742]You take that train and head for Makkasan Station. At Makkasan station, you can get a taxi for a very short ride to either Nana or Soi Cowboy area.

That's what I did, wasn't hard at all and saved my money for the chicks.

[URL]http://www.suvarnabhumiairport.com/en/121-airport-rail-link[/URL][/QUOTE]The 'very short ride' depends on what exit you depart makkassan station and where you get the taxi. Though as many here have said: the taxi fare is 10 dollars. Are you really going to want to after a long plane ride put yourself through this aggravation to save a hundred or so baht.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1685742]
You take that train and head for Makkasan Station. At Makkasan station, you can get a taxi for a very short ride to either Nana or Soi Cowboy area. Yes that airport rail will get crowded as the train makes it's stops, but you got on at the beginning so, you have a seat.

That's what I did, wasn't hard at all and saved my money for the chicks.
[/QUOTE]How much exactly are you saving? 45 baht for the train to Makkasan station but how much was the taxi? 100 baht? I know you can grab the subway for around 20 baht but you've got to stand in line with your luggage to get a ticket (assuming you don't have one of those automatic cards yet). Its around 500 baht for a taxi from the airport directly to your hotel, you can close your eyes and take a nap if your tired after a long flight. Saving 400 baht isn't worth the extra effort after i've been on a ten hour flight. And im guessing you might ask the taxi driver to swing by a 7-11 on the way into town if your thirsty.

This is quite disturbing. Anyone experienced this?

[URL]http://time.com/3674200/thailand-tourism-police-corruption-shakedown-extortion/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Breadman;1685783]How much exactly are you saving? 45 baht for the train to Makkasan station but how much was the taxi? 100 baht? I know you can grab the subway for around 20 baht but you've got to stand in line with your luggage to get a ticket (assuming you don't have one of those automatic cards yet). Its around 500 baht for a taxi from the airport directly to your hotel, you can close your eyes and take a nap if your tired after a long flight. Saving 400 baht isn't worth the extra effort after i've been on a ten hour flight. And im guessing you might ask the taxi driver to swing by a 7-11 on the way into town if your thirsty.[/QUOTE]I agree. I once took the train after a long flight. Was travelling light but tired. Couldn't get a seat as I boarded as it ws about to leave but then when I got off to let someone else out I stumbled, and my leg slipped through the gap between train and platform (mind the gap indeed). Damn near broke my leg. I always take a taxi now. I judge whether to take a regular can from the queue or an AOT taxi depending on queues at passport (an indicator of people queuing for taxis after baggage claim), my degree of tiredness (am I going to get angry waiting in a queue) and who is paying (I. E. Am I on a business rip where company pays).

But basically even if it's a private trip I am not going to scrimp on taxi fare to spoil my mood).

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;1685818]This is quite disturbing. Anyone experienced this?

[URL]http://time.com/3674200/thailand-tourism-police-corruption-shakedown-extortion/[/URL][/QUOTE]From this article it sounds like the shakedowns are becoming less frequent.

[URL]http://www.bangkokpost.com/learning/learning-from-news/458810/bangkok-tourist-shakedown-police-harrassment-video[/URL]

Speaking of Nana, I got my Deaf notch under my belt (sort of like getting your red wings).

I banged out 2 deaf girls. They hover across from the Nana Plaza in the Nana parking lot on the right side-entrance to Nana Hotel parking lot.

Better to have your Google translator handy!

[QUOTE=Rolodido;1684552]Never paid more then 400 bath for airport to BKK city sukhumvit area.
Rolo[/QUOTE]So when getting a taxi at the airport, does one negotiate with the driver to get this approx 400 BHT rate, thus ignoring the meter in that case, or is this approx 400 BHT rate what the meter (less fares) will typically yield when you arrive? And, if negotiating for a fixed rate, what if the driver refuses or demands 500? Do I go to the next taxi in the queue and try to get a better deal?

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;1685818]This is quite disturbing. Anyone experienced this?

[URL]http://time.com/3674200/thailand-tourism-police-corruption-shakedown-extortion/[/URL][/QUOTE]I have a place in the Asoke Area (Soi 19/ Sukhumvit) and have never been harassed. Yet.

[URL]http://www.stickboybangkok.com/news/new-thonglor-police-chief-orders-end-searches/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Breadman;1685836]From this article it sounds like the shakedowns are becoming less frequent.

[URL]http://www.bangkokpost.com/learning/learning-from-news/458810/bangkok-tourist-shakedown-police-harrassment-video[/URL][/QUOTE]Its unlikely they're telling the whole story.

[URL]http://index.rsf.org/[/URL]#index-details.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1685859]So when getting a taxi at the airport, does one negotiate with the driver to get this approx 400 BHT rate, thus ignoring the meter in that case, or is this approx 400 BHT rate what the meter (less fares) will typically yield when you arrive? And, if negotiating for a fixed rate, what if the driver refuses or demands 500? Do I go to the next taxi in the queue and try to get a better deal?[/QUOTE]You will go to the Taxi queue on the 2nd (floor. You will tell the lady at the desk (the dispatcher) where you're going, she'll write it down and give it to the driver. She'll give you a copy. Keep it, as it has the driver's number, etc. , on it, should you have any problems. She may remind you that you have to pay for the expressway tolls. If she doesn't, the driver will. You can't go to the next taxi, etc. , as the dispatcher assigns your taxi to you.

You do not need to negotiate with the driver. He'll use the meter in almost every case because he wants to keep his "airport privileges. " As you leave, make sure he turns on the meter. If he doesn't, for some reason, remind him. If, for some reason, you have a streak of bad luck and get a recalcitrant driver, don't get excited. Tell him you'll give him 500 baht, not a satang more, and he pays the tolls. But don't sweat it. I don't think I've ever had a problem with taxis who picked me up at the airport.

Now taxis going to the airport can be another story.

I was in Bangkok in Nov and Jan. Nov took the local train and MRT both ways, but was at T21 so was only 1 stop on the MRT. However I was only flying in / out inter-asia and both times was transiting to / from the airport at rush hour.

In January took cabs both ways. Cab queue was empty and got from the airport to T21 in under 20 minutes which after 21 hours of travel was priceless. My conclusion from both these trips? Either travel option works but not worth taking the train just for the savings, but maybe worth it with light baggage and traffic considerations. Once the express train gets back up the running the time savings would also be a factor. One more thing to consider the walk from the train to the MRT isn't short so if you don't have roller bags this really may not be worth it unless you are looking for exercise.

[QUOTE=IanOxon;1685821]I agree. I once took the train after a long flight. Was travelling light but tired. Couldn't get a seat as I boarded as it ws about to leave but then when I got off to let someone else out I stumbled, and my leg slipped through the gap between train and platform (mind the gap indeed). Damn near broke my leg. I always take a taxi now. I judge whether to take a regular can from the queue or an AOT taxi depending on queues at passport (an indicator of people queuing for taxis after baggage claim), my degree of tiredness (am I going to get angry waiting in a queue) and who is paying (I. E. Am I on a business rip where company pays).

But basically even if it's a private trip I am not going to scrimp on taxi fare to spoil my mood).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1685859]So when getting a taxi at the airport, does one negotiate with the driver to get this approx 400 BHT rate, thus ignoring the meter in that case, or is this approx 400 BHT rate what the meter (less fares) will typically yield when you arrive? And, if negotiating for a fixed rate, what if the driver refuses or demands 500? Do I go to the next taxi in the queue and try to get a better deal?[/QUOTE]Within Bangkok always use the meter. Every time a cabbie suggested a "fixed fee" it turned out the meter was cheaper. When I travel with my Thai GF, the cabbies don't even think of suggesting a fixed fee, which proves that this is a "newbie tourist scam" thing.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1685742]If you are traveling light "one largish bag and a backpack" which you are, I would take the airport rail link (train). It costs 45 baht, less than $2 USD. But it also depends what time you are arriving in BKK, the airport train starts at 6 am to midnight.

At the airport after you get out of customs / immigration, you take the escalators down below like everyone else, then go one level below the street and that's where the train is. There is not a lot of people when you get on, you get your choice seat.

You take that train and head for Makkasan Station. At Makkasan station, you can get a taxi for a very short ride to either Nana or Soi Cowboy area. Yes that airport rail will get crowded as the train makes it's stops, but you got on at the beginning so, you have a seat.

That's what I did, wasn't hard at all and saved my money for the chicks.

[URL]http://www.suvarnabhumiairport.com/en/121-airport-rail-link[/URL][/QUOTE]Don't go to Makkasan station but go to the final destination Phaya Thai. There you can change to the BTS in the direction of Bearing which stops at both Nana and Asok.

So to summarize:

Take the airport rail link to Phaya Thai for 45 Baht.

Walk to the BTS station which is only a 5 minute stroll and you don't have to climb any stairs (there are escalators).

Take the BTS in the direction of Bearing and get off at Nana, Asok or where ever you're staying in the Sukhumvit area.

The BTS to Nana is only 31 baht. Asok will be a few baht more.

All in all it takes about 45 to 60 minutes at the most.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;1685818]This is quite disturbing. Anyone experienced this?[URL]http://time.com/3674200/thailand-tourism-police-corruption-shakedown-extortion/[/URL][/QUOTE]Old news. You're referencing a near month old article. But remember Thailand is currently under Martial Law, so anything can happen.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1685836]From this article it sounds like the shakedowns are becoming less frequent.[URL]http://www.bangkokpost.com/learning/learning-from-news/458810/bangkok-tourist-shakedown-police-harrassment-video[/URL][/QUOTE]There was an uproar after vids posted online. Some high ranking police official reported to news that it was not sanctioned, and told what steps to take if it should occur. (Get Officers names, badge numbers.) After that, it stopped. Since then, I have not seen any further reports of this occurring.

[QUOTE=Jgm005;1685870]I have a place in the Asoke Area (Soi 19/ Sukhumvit) and have never been harassed. Yet.[URL]http://www.stickboybangkok.com/news/new-thonglor-police-chief-orders-end-searches/[/URL][/QUOTE]I've been back on Sukhumvit Rd several times, at all hours, and have not seen any police officers in the area.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1685938]You will go to the Taxi queue on the 2nd (floor. You will tell the lady at the desk (the dispatcher) where you're going, she'll write it down and give it to the driver.[/QUOTE]When I arrived at BKK in early December the desks with attendants had been removed and there was a machine with a uniformed man standing next to the machine. He asked me the name of my hotel, punched some button, the machine printed a ticket which he handed to me.

[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1686154]When I arrived at BKK in early December the desks with attendants had been removed and there was a machine with a uniformed man standing next to the machine. He asked me the name of my hotel, punched some button, the machine printed a ticket which he handed to me.[/QUOTE]I like this solution better. But if you're staying in some obscure hotel, I wonder if the system works, or does one have to get 12 people involved, debating the hotel's location. LOL. I'll find out in April.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1686171]I like this solution better. But if you're staying in some obscure hotel, I wonder if the system works, or does one have to get 12 people involved, debating the hotel's location. LOL. I'll find out in April.[/QUOTE]That system does not require or state name of the hotel on the printed ticket at all. I still have no clue where the ticket is for other than it states that you have to pay a 50 bt surcharge where those beggars in their new 2 LTR Toyota's request for 100 bt surcharge and are reluctant to use the meter. No problem for me being with a Thai GF, but as a tourist it might cause a lot of troubles.

[QUOTE=Titanio;1686250]That system does not require or state name of the hotel on the printed ticket at all. I still have no clue where the ticket is for other than it states that you have to pay a 50 bt surcharge where those beggars in their new 2 LTR Toyota's request for 100 bt surcharge and are reluctant to use the meter. No problem for me being with a Thai GF, but as a tourist it might cause a lot of troubles.[/QUOTE]You are right about the automated taxi arrangements. On my latest arrivals into BKK it has worked smoothly and I admit I have never ever even looked at the reciept handed out by the staff (not even when the old system was there). I can not see the reason for actually having any staff bcs last time a couple a weeks ago I don't think I said anything, she pressed the screen and woah I got the token directing me to the correct taxistand (nr 7). In most cases for a long time now I just say 500 to the driver and they have all taken the freeway towards the sukhumvit exit and as far as I remember no one has made any attempts to ask me to pay the tolls. Smooth.

By the way I see some state they just go to departure level to grab a taxi. How do guys do that nowadays as they have blocked the access with only one way moving barriers (from the taxi drop and into the terminal)? Even some guards stand close by (only my observation when I left 2 mondays ago). Maybe airport authorities try to prevent this from happening.

About two months ago I went up the escalator and into the back bar on the right and was surrounded by beautiful girls. After closer attention I noticed one that was making a move on me was a LB. They are mixed in. If you don't think about it you may not notice. 1. Listen to the voice. If it sounds like an imitation of a girl then it is.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1684702]Rainbow4 in NEP and Baccara in Soi Cowboy might be the places for you to look for your desired girls.

Don't worry too much about LBs. They have separate bars in NEP and Soi Cowboy, you won't find them mixed in with the girls like in Patpong.

It's indeed not a big deal which area you visit first.

And about arriving around April 15: just google 'Songkran' and then reschedule your flight, LOL! You don't want to be there then, at least that's my opinion.[/QUOTE].

Went to Dr BJ Salon and met the and L. Wow what a team. They knew how to work together. Won't go into much details but they are a great team. Miss them already.

[B]February 14 (Day 1: Saturday)[/B]

I had booked Hotel Mermaid, Soi 29 this time for my 2 day stay. I reached and was provided an early checkin. I had booked the Junior suite with balcony at cost of approx. 3100 baht per day. Room was very spacious and so was the bedroom. Small balcony with nice view of Soi 22 and the BTS.

Staff was extremely friendly. Daytime security guy was very helpful as hes the porter as well. Nighttime was an old guy and no hassle. I walked in with girls on both nights and No I'd was asked from them. They did have a register kept near the security guards desk if someone wants to be careful.

Session 1: Afternoon.

Girl through Wechat. ST 2000 + 100 baht tip, service was average. Had gained much more weight compared to her pics. Decent sex in 2 positions. CBJ. A sized breats. Name was Fon, reminded me of the girl I was to meet later in Pattaya. She later disclosed that she worked in Sensation Massage in Soi 19 and can see her pic listed there. Overall experience 4/10.

In retrospect I should have gone to Snowhite or Addict as per my original plan.

Session 2: Night.

I took stroll in Soi cowboy, looked very slow, must be due to Valentines night that most of the girls would be with their sweethearts. Cowboy 2, Sharks, Tilac didn't just have anyone I was looking for. I decided to skip the gogo scene for the day.

I was walking back thinking of catching a good night sleep but my legs took me to Soi 33, Dali. I was thinking I would maybe find the girl from last trip and barfine her and have a beer at the worst as it was barely 11 pm.

5 girls in total, clicked with Fern, seemed to be the youngest and good looking. Bar fine was 1000 baht, ST was 3000 baht, expensive. Girl was a snogger and lot of tongue play, BBBJ, A sized breasts. Amazing slender body without any stretch marks. Sex was good with soft moaning from her. Unfortunately she had to leave for a party with her friends being Valentines night. She was off the next day at work so this was going to be the only experience for me with her for some time now. I have got her digits and will hold onto till my next visit. Overall 8/10.

[B]February 15 (Day 2: Sunday)[/B]

Session 1: Afternoon.

Snowwhite, opted for 1 hour massage and picked Golf basis the smile. Paid 1500 + 400 + 200 baht tip. Service was good. She offered me CIM but I was not interested. Good tongue play. Though she licked my balls she only offered CBJ. Be sized saggy breasts. Sex was good with WOT, Miss and doggy. She wanted to get me ready for the second one but I need time in between hence was done with her. Good attitude. Overall experience 6. 5/10.

Session 2: Night.

I started with a walk in Soi 22, nothing caught my fancy, pretty quiet. I could hear the music playing from the corner bars till late in the night when I went out in the Balcony for a smoke. Continued to walk towards Nana, went to Beer Garden on Soi 7 but nothing interesting. I went to Soi cowboy stopped at Sharks, not many girls. The Mamasans were up and dancing on the stage. I got out and checked for any talent in the street bars which were just being set up but nothing interesting.

I returned to soi 29 and thought must check out 22 again if things had changed. I responded to the cat calls from the front bar at the Queens Entertainment plaza. Lady drink to an Isaan girl named Paew, slightly mature but she was smiling and I liked it. Bar fined her, 600 baht, ST 2000. Took her to Hotel, she kissed well had a decent but matured body, must be 2 or more kids I guessed, A sized breast. I fingered her and got her slightly aroused. I asked her to go down on me but she refused. I thought maybe BBBJ was a problem so I asked her to get the condom. She refused and told me she didn't do BJs. This was a first for me in Thailand. I lost my wood and was no longer in mood to continue. Igot up paid her and got her to leave. I went to bed thinking my next 3 days in pattaya would be much better.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1686615]The Mamasans were up and dancing on the stage. [/QUOTE]That must have been an awful sight given the average looks of mamasans. Did you get over it by now? LOL!

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1686914]That must have been an awful sight given the average looks of mamasans. Did you get over it by now? LOL![/QUOTE]LOL. I was dumbstruck for some time but when they started asking me to buy LDs for them I got back to senses and found the exit. I did bear their torture until I finished my beer.

I am sure you can visualize them on stage in the sailor uniforms and round and hefty bodies trying to gather up some dance steps with serious help from the poles....

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1686615][B]February 14 (Day 1: Saturday)[/B]


I thought must check out 22 again if things had changed. I responded to the cat calls from the front bar at the Queens Entertainment plaza. Lady drink to an Isaan girl named Paew, slightly mature but she was smiling and I liked it. Bar fined her, 600 baht, ST 2000. Took her to Hotel, she kissed well had a decent but matured body, must be 2 or more kids I guessed, A sized breast. I fingered her and got her slightly aroused. I asked her to go down on me but she refused. I thought maybe BBBJ was a problem so I asked her to get the condom. She refused and told me she didn't do BJs. This was a first for me in Thailand. I lost my wood and was no longer in mood to continue. Igot up paid her and got her to leave. I went to bed thinking my next 3 days in pattaya would be much better.[/QUOTE]The bars in Queens Plaza are done, put a fork in it. 660 is a heavy barfine and 2000 is ridiculous for a no BJ. She must have gone back to the bar an spent the evening laughing about you. You should have given her a fraction and said bye bye. Horrible cheating bars, chicks and owners. Washington Square is no more and neither is Queens Plaza. That's the past.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1686914]That must have been an awful sight given the average looks of mamasans. Did you get over it by now? LOL![/QUOTE]Even they need some lovin. 5555.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1686914]That must have been an awful sight given the average looks of mamasans. Did you get over it by now? LOL![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MilesToGo;1687134]Even they need some lovin. 5555.[/QUOTE]I make a point of being nice to the mamasans. If one of them approaches me after I've been sitting for a while and asks if I want to BF a girl, often I ask the mamasan if she'd like to sit with me and have an LD. I'll flirt with her a little and then tell her what kind of girl I'm looking for and ask who she recommends. She'll point out a girl and ask if I like her. If I say yes she'll call the girl over. Usually the mamasan will stay for a while after the girl comes over. When I offer to buy the girl an LD I might ask the mamasan if she's like another drink. If I really liked the girl and go back to BF her on another night, I'll find the mamasan, though usually she'll already have found me, and slip her 100 baht, with a thank you. Frankly, I don't know if all of this is necessary. Maybe I'd get a good recommendation regardless, but I'm pleased with the recommendations I get and just like the girls remember a good tipper, many of the bar staff remember me the next time I come in. As an example, I did this in Rainbow 1 in June 2014 and got an excellent recommendation. When I went back in late November some of the staff recognized me and made me feel very welcome.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1687046]The bars in Queens Plaza are done, put a fork in it. 660 is a heavy barfine and 2000 is ridiculous for a no BJ. She must have gone back to the bar an spent the evening laughing about you. You should have given her a fraction and said bye bye. Horrible cheating bars, chicks and owners. Washington Square is no more and neither is Queens Plaza. That's the past.[/QUOTE]Jesse, completely agree with you that I should have paid her half but I had lost my mood and wood. Just wanted her out. Being first experience mind was not working properly at that time. But will surely be smarter next time if it happens.

FYI: March 4th is Makha Bucha day, a national holiday, which celebrates the first sermon of the Buddha to his disciples. I'm not sure if all bars, gogos, gentlemens clubs and Discos in Bangkok will be closed. (They are in Pattaya.) No liquor sales at your favorite 7-11 either.

[URL]http://www.thaiblognews.com/2015/02/24/thailands-pms-office-sets-dates-banning-alcohol-sales/[/URL]

Also avoid to travel between April 13 to 15. It's Songkran festival (Thai new year) and all bars and gogos are closed.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;1687270]FYI: March 4th is Makha Bucha day, a national holiday, which celebrates the first sermon of the Buddha to his disciples. I'm not sure if all bars, gogos, gentlemens clubs and Discos in Bangkok will be closed. (They are in Pattaya.) No liquor sales at your favorite 7-11 either.

[URL]http://www.thaiblognews.com/2015/02/24/thailands-pms-office-sets-dates-banning-alcohol-sales/[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;1687444]Also avoid to travel between April 13 to 15. It's Songkran festival (Thai new year) and all bars and gogos are closed.[/QUOTE]Who gave you that weird idea? I was in Soi Cowboy at Songkhran and all bars were in full swing as from the early afternoon. Same same for the massage shops in Sukhumvit Soi 23.

It is true that many girls go to the family upcountry but that still leaves enough girls to last you a lifetime of f*ing.

The atmosphere is different from the other days and it is more a holiday kind of thing, but rest assured that these girls will still go with you if they can make a quick buck.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1687477]Who gave you that weird idea? I was in Soi Cowboy at Songkhran and all bars were in full swing as from the early afternoon. Same same for the massage shops in Sukhumvit Soi 23.

It is true that many girls go to the family upcountry but that still leaves enough girls to last you a lifetime of f*ing.

The atmosphere is different from the other days and it is more a holiday kind of thing, but rest assured that these girls will still go with you if they can make a quick buck.[/QUOTE]Oh yes. BKK is OK during Songkran. I was there during Songkran last year, and suffered through the occasional annoying water fight, but apart from that I had an excellent time in Soi Cowboy, in the shops in the sub-Sois of Soi 22, in Queens Park Plaza, in the massage shops of Soi 23 - well pretty much everywhere.

Went to BK couple of weeks ago. I was just a stopover for a single night, so I tried to make the best of it.

Early afternoon, I started out getting a real good full body oil massage in one of the more decent parlors (ie one that does not normally offer you a happy ending). The girl was in her late 20's, charming and laughing. I am sure she quite deliberately got her hands on my balls, and was just smiling when there was a bit of reaction. All good fun and nice way of increasing your appetite for mongering.

Anyhow, I had already set my mind on getting a BJ at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], so showered after the massage I headed for Soi 8. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] is located at the bottom of a side soi about 80 meters down Sukhomvit Soi 8. The line up average is (IMHO) a bit better and slightly younger than at Dr BJ, although Dr BJ have a few real babes. The girls sit outside in something resembling school uniforms, and it can feel a bit intimidating walking down there and deciding on a girl to take upstairs for a BJ. A tip for the first-timer is to look them over as you slowly walk towards the girls, mentally select the girl you want quickly, them simply smile and point at her as you walk to the entrance.

I decided on my treat for the afternoon and went upstairs with her. She was probably very early 20's, slim figure and a nice smile. There were nobody else upstairs, so we went to a free corner couch and drew the curtains. After getting a towel to sit on, the girl went into action. I had a very nice BBBJ with CIM, and she really knew her trade licking and stroking my balls and all.

After the session I went back to my hotel for a quick shower and change, then a nice thai dinner in Soi 11.

Feeling ready I made for Soi Cowboy to do the GoGos. Being a regular in BK, I much prefer Soi Cowboy to Nana Plaza. I started off walking down Cowboy to get a feel for the action, and decided just to have a peek inside Baccara at the end. Frankly this was mostly out of curiosity as they have had a recent rebuild. As usual, the lineup in Baccara had lots of pretty girls, and the mirrors on the floor of the stage revealed they are still not wearing any underwear under their short skirts. I noticed that quite a lot of the girls seemed to have had boob jobs done, silly cones all around. Anyway, I left quickly again as the girls in baccara typically will not give you the time of day unless you're Japanese, which I am not.

Next stop was Suzie Wong, which is normally one of my favorites. The shows were good and the girls get all naked, but it seems the quality of the lineup have deteriorated quite a lot at Suzie Wong. A year ago or so, there were packed with nice girls, but this time it was a low average. I got myself quite a few drinks in there, and was having fun talking and drinking with a couple of girls. I had no intention of taking them anywhere but they were fun nevertheless.

Getting slightly drunk I continued to Afterskool for a few beers. The girls were more in the mid to late 20's' in that place, but I got talking to a nice girl around 30 or so. After a while she offered me a BJ at the dirty boy corner at the end of the bar. Thats seemed like a rather odd thing to do in a crowded bar, but I did it anyway. Interesting experience having a BJ while drinking a beer.

Last stop of the evening was Tilac. Nice place and quite a few pretty girls. The girls also wear miniskirts with no underwear (as a concept) in there. So I sat having fun with a couple of girls, who repeatedly had show me they were indeed not wearing anything underneath. Funny thing was that every time I went to the mens room, I was escorted back and forth and not allowed to stop and gaze at the girls dancing on stage. But in the end I did the unthinkable and asked another girl from the stage to come to my table. She had a great body, nice ass and a pair of surprisingly large boobs for a thai girl. As well as a nice smile, so I couldn't resist. The girls I had been sitting with of course got a bit upset, but I tipped them a 1000 bht each which seemed to ease their pain a little. Anyhow, soon after I paid the bar fee for the "new" girl and left. After she had changed clothes, she was wearing a slim dress, and I could feel that she was wearing nothing underneath. I liked that.

Back in my hotel I got a good BBBJ and fucked her in several positions so I could admire her great body. Waking up early in the morning we had a second round after which I paid and sent her on her way back home.

[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1687145]I make a point of being nice to the mamasans. If one of them approaches me after I've been sitting for a while and asks if I want to BF a girl, often I ask the mamasan if she'd like to sit with me and have an LD. I'll flirt with her a little and then tell her what kind of girl I'm looking for and ask who she recommends. She'll point out a girl and ask if I like her. If I say yes she'll call the girl over. Usually the mamasan will stay for a while after the girl comes over. When I offer to buy the girl an LD I might ask the mamasan if she's like another drink. If I really liked the girl and go back to BF her on another night, I'll find the mamasan, though usually she'll already have found me, and slip her 100 baht, with a thank you. Frankly, I don't know if all of this is necessary. Maybe I'd get a good recommendation regardless, but I'm pleased with the recommendations I get and just like the girls remember a good tipper, many of the bar staff remember me the next time I come in. As an example, I did this in Rainbow 1 in June 2014 and got an excellent recommendation. When I went back in late November some of the staff recognized me and made me feel very welcome.[/QUOTE]I think this is an excellent strategy (being nice and chatting to the mamasans and asking them for advice on girls if unsure). I have been in situations where I wanted to BF 2 girls, and the mamasan told me to go with 1 girl as she apparently had more popularity and was a better performer as per the clients. I also have bought the mamasan a LD on occasion, and was also able to negotiate a lower BF in a few situations where it was very expensive. But, I guess the LD offset the cost of the discount. All in all, the mamasans for the most part know which girls are good performers, have fewer complaints, and better attitudes so it does not hurt to befriend them and use them for certain situations.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1687477]Who gave you that weird idea? I was in Soi Cowboy at Songkhran and all bars were in full swing as from the early afternoon. Same same for the massage shops in Sukhumvit Soi 23.

It is true that many girls go to the family upcountry but that still leaves enough girls to last you a lifetime of f*ing.

The atmosphere is different from the other days and it is more a holiday kind of thing, but rest assured that these girls will still go with you if they can make a quick buck.[/QUOTE]I am hoping to get more clarity on the April 13-15 holiday thing. I am taking my friend to Thailand and this is his first trip, arriving Saturday and on to Vietnam on Tuesday. Hotel is paid for in full for the three days, non-refundable. Potentially we could flip weekends and fly to Vietnam straight away and spend the following weekend in Bangkok. Changing flights and the hotel booking is a bit of a hassle, but our plan is it see it all that Bangkok has to offer that weekend in a full swing, dance clubs, BJ bars, soapies, nana / soy / etc What do you think? I don't want to end up in anything like Christmas eve in the State type of situation.

And not sure what to make out of all the water throwing activities, doesn't sound like my cup of tea
http://www.bangkok.com/information-festivals/songkran.htm

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;1687842]I decided on my treat for the afternoon and went upstairs with her. She wa
Last stop of the evening was Tilac. Nice place and quite a few pretty girls. The girls also wear miniskirts with no underwear (as a concept) in there. So I sat having fun with a couple of girls, who repeatedly had show me they were indeed not wearing anything underneath. Funny thing was that every time I went to the mens room, I was escorted back and forth and not allowed to stop and gaze at the girls dancing on stage. But in the end I did the unthinkable and asked another girl from the stage to come to my table. She had a great body, nice ass and a pair of surprisingly large boobs for a thai girl. As well as a nice smile, so I couldn't resist. The girls I had been sitting with of course got a bit upset, but I tipped them a 1000 bht each which seemed to ease their pain a little. Anyhow, soon after I paid the bar fee for the "new" girl and left. After she had changed clothes, she was wearing a slim dress, and I could feel that she was wearing nothing underneath. I liked that.

Back in my hotel I got a good BBBJ and fucked her in several positions so I could admire her great body. Waking up early in the morning we had a second round after which I paid and sent her on her way back home.[/QUOTE]Your report was good, but you left out the most important part.

What was the barfine and what was the tip?

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;1687864]I am hoping to get more clarity on the April 13-15 holiday thing. I am taking my friend to Thailand and this is his first trip, arriving Saturday and on to Vietnam on Tuesday. Hotel is paid for in full for the three days, non-refundable. Potentially we could flip weekends and fly to Vietnam straight away and spend the following weekend in Bangkok. Changing flights and the hotel booking is a bit of a hassle, but our plan is it see it all that Bangkok has to offer that weekend in a full swing, dance clubs, BJ bars, soapies, nana / soy / etc What do you think? I don't want to end up in anything like Christmas eve in the State type of situation.

And not sure what to make out of all the water throwing activities, doesn't sound like my cup of tea
http://www.bangkok.com/information-festivals/songkran.htm[/QUOTE]Maybe this helps to make your decision: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0AIzwE-Tzo[/URL].

I frequent Bangkok Beat nightclub on SOI 7/1 as it is close to my apartment and they have several fun bands playing nightly. It is also a popular FL spot with many girls on most night. Nearly all will tell you they work for a salon. Not much imagination as you would think someone might say they work in an office environment for variety but virtually they all say salon when I ask their work.

I see many of the same girls night after night and some do quite well pulling at least one guy almost nightly. Two popular girls who I went with (and it was lousy) always seem to find a client. Sometimes, I feel like warning the guy. LOL.

However, there are some rare birds who come in there who are not on the clock. Last weekend, I met a girl towards closing time who had seen me there before. After dancing and hanging out for a while, she indicated that she wanted to go with me. I said OK but I have no money to pay you. This was partially true because my three prior experiences with girls here have been marginal at best and did not want to expend funds for another waste of time. Anyway, she agreed and devoured me in my apartment and again in the morning. Never asked for money when she left so found a freebie and one of the best shags so far in Bangkok. She is still texting me but not blowing up my phone. Funny, but says her occupation is with a salon too.

Wanting to hit all my bucket list items before leaving Bangkok, I perused the Nan street parking area a few nights ago. Most girls are not all that attractive and some LB's in mix though fairly obvious. However, I saw a nicely dressed and pretty girl so stopped to talk with her. Much to my surprise, she spoke excellent English as she told me that she used to work for a hotel in Chang Mai.

She said that she just came from Pattaya where her sister lives who is expecting a baby. I asked why she did not dance in go go etc. And said she preferred her independence. Quickly got down to business as she wanted 1500 bhat for ST. She offered kissing, DATY, BBBJ. And condom with FS. Liked her style and English command so off we went to my apartment. When we arrived, she complained about cleanliness of my apartment and washed my dishes after sex.

It was quite good and a real enthusiastic root. She enjoyed looking at herself at my full length mirror on closet doors next to bed. Great 69 and reverse sitting cowgirl admiring herself in mirror. Not a perfectly toned body and some indication of future cellulite but nice shaped breasts and very pretty. But it was nice to be able to communicate fully in English. Her stage name is Bella and sometimes she wears fashion braces.

Also, she told me an odd story that she had almost made enough money to buy a condo in Pattaya.

But was 300 K bhat short of her goal. Even showed me the photo of this condo she wants to purchase and compared my flooring to the flooring in this condo.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1687991]
I see many of the same girls night after night and some do quite well pulling at least one guy almost nightly. Two popular girls who I went with (and it was lousy) always seem to find a client. Sometimes, I feel like warning the guy. LOL.
[/QUOTE]Do you warn them about the Ladyboys too? I saw one guy tongue kissing a LB. I am sure he knew though as someone told me he was a regular, and his normal GF was not there.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1687883]Your report was good, but you left out the most important part.

What was the barfine and what was the tip?[/QUOTE]The barfine is bound to be 700 baht as is normally the case. What he paid is not important because depends on his generosity which is very evident from the 1K tips.

I know a very nice girl who used to work Hot Lips and now at Tilac. Its probably a different girl. The good girls that are also pretty and good bodies can be worth following from one bar to another, since they are somewhat rare.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;1687864]I am hoping to get more clarity on the April 13-15 holiday thing. I am taking my friend to Thailand and this is his first trip, arriving Saturday and on to Vietnam on Tuesday. Hotel is paid for in full for the three days, non-refundable. Potentially we could flip weekends and fly to Vietnam straight away and spend the following weekend in Bangkok. Changing flights and the hotel booking is a bit of a hassle, but our plan is it see it all that Bangkok has to offer that weekend in a full swing, dance clubs, BJ bars, soapies, nana / soy / etc What do you think? I don't want to end up in anything like Christmas eve in the State type of situation.

And not sure what to make out of all the water throwing activities, doesn't sound like my cup of tea
http://www.bangkok.com/information-festivals/songkran.htm[/QUOTE]Sean, believe me, Bangkok or Pattaya during Songkran must be avoided at all costs. As a long term monger in the LOS I have decided never to be in town at this time. I just hate being hit with dirty water from a bucket or even a big water pistol while simply trying to go about my own business. Sometimes it is white powder as well that is thrown at you.

By far the most annoying aspect is the large number of farangs that join in believing that they are participating in the cultural life of the country. It's not their culture and they are just boosed up pains in the arse.

If you must be there at this time, carry nothing of value with you and try to spend as little time outdoors as possible. I think the bars hate this time as well as they must put plastic covers over their electronic devices such as TYs ets. Custmer numbers are also down for obvious reasons. Most expats leave town for the duration.

But, if it's the only time you have got to visit the LOS, I suppose it's better than not being there at all.

Happy mongering,

Johnie.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1687883]Your report was good, but you left out the most important part.

What was the barfine and what was the tip?[/QUOTE]Barfine was 600 bht, which seem to be the going rate at Cowboy these days.

I paid her 3500 bht as a tip (ie. LT). Going rate is between 3000 and 4000 for long time.

A tip for people with less experience in BK: For the best GFE, shy away from girls who name a price already at the bar. You can be almost certain it will be a mechanical thing.

If you do ask them, and the answer is "up to you" and smile, then you have probably picked a winner. The best girls do, however, expect you to know the price and not talk about it.

[QUOTE=Johnie;1688071]Sean, believe me, Bangkok or Pattaya during Songkran must be avoided at all costs. As a long term monger in the LOS I have decided never to be in town at this time. I just hate being hit with dirty water from a bucket or even a big water pistol while simply trying to go about my own business. Sometimes it is white powder as well that is thrown at you.

By far the most annoying aspect is the large number of farangs that join in believing that they are participating in the cultural life of the country. It's not their culture and they are just boosed up pains in the arse.

If you must be there at this time, carry nothing of value with you and try to spend as little time outdoors as possible. I think the bars hate this time as well as they must put plastic covers over their electronic devices such as TYs ets. Custmer numbers are also down for obvious reasons. Most expats leave town for the duration.

But, if it's the only time you have got to visit the LOS, I suppose it's better than not being there at all.

Happy mongering,

Johnie.[/QUOTE]Songkhran- You either love it or hate it. I am in the latter camp. It is a great time for a trip out of Thailand.

Actually, I asked the Nana parking lot girl from today's report why she did not go there to find guys and she mumbled something about too many LB"s, though I never noticed all that many and did not fiully understand her comment. Maybe she thought I was talking about another place? However, they are there and I have seen a few. Well, they are everywhere in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1688013]Do you warn them about the Ladyboys too? I saw one guy tongue kissing a LB. I am sure he knew though as someone told me he was a regular, and his normal GF was not there.[/QUOTE]

Not sure if this is the forum or it should be in the Bangkok hotel section. But I have been making a search in both. I just registered to stay in the Hilton Sukhumvit for my upcoming stay. From what I read most of the Bangkok hotels are GF. Though I could not find something specific on the Hilton Sukhumvit.

Could one of the locals please confirm this Hilton is GF? Many thanks.

Also where could I find a map showing some of the local spots to visit. Nana, Bier Garten. Etc?

I read that the Sukhumvit are is the right place to be. Was I correct?

Many, Many thanks. I have been reading the pages of the forum, perhaps I missed this info.

Once again thanks!!

[QUOTE=Firebird;1688122]Not sure if this is the forum or it should be in the Bangkok hotel section. But I have been making a search in both. I just registered to stay in the Hilton Sukhumvit for my upcoming stay. From what I read most of the Bangkok hotels are GF. Though I could not find something specific on the Hilton Sukhumvit.

Could one of the locals please confirm this Hilton is GF? Many thanks.

Also where could I find a map showing some of the local spots to visit. Nana, Bier Garten. Etc?

I read that the Sukhumvit are is the right place to be. Was I correct?

Many, Many thanks. I have been reading the pages of the forum, perhaps I missed this info.

Once again thanks!![/QUOTE]The Hilton Sukhumvit is a GF hotel. I stayed there twice during a December. January trip and had no issues.

Folks,

I realise this may sound like I am a total douchebag but I did RTFF and googled as much as what is possible living in a country where google is blocked. Still I made a promise and need rather short -term get to LOS with my GF.

Now my last visit is 20 years ago and my old strategy book a hotel for the first nights and then prolonge or find something else or move on seems to not work at all anymore. Most online provider require long time upfront booking and pre-payment?! Is it still possible to find decent hotels when you are onsite in Bangkok? And does this also apply for train tickets and hotels in other places like say Chiang Mai etc? Or are you completely fucked with outrageous walk in prices these days?

Any help would be appreciated also via PM. I will book a hotel near Siam Square / Sukhumvit to start with so I can use the BTS to sneak away for the mongering fun, so my only question is how to best book hotels / domestic flight or train tickets when you are already in Bangkok. Is there a good local travel site or reasonable travel agency? I just do not know what we will like to do and booking in advance from China has proven a nightmare.

Thanks for the help and if I manage to get fun FR is promised, check my posting history outside Thailand.

FA.

[QUOTE=FernandoAlonso;1688134]Folks,

I realise this may sound like I am a total douchebag but I did RTFF and googled as much as what is possible living in a country where google is blocked. Still I made a promise and need rather short -term get to LOS with my GF.

Now my last visit is 20 years ago and my old strategy book a hotel for the first nights and then prolonge or find something else or move on seems to not work at all anymore. Most online provider require long time upfront booking and pre-payment?! Is it still possible to find decent hotels when you are onsite in Bangkok? And does this also apply for train tickets and hotels in other places like say Chiang Mai etc? Or are you completely fucked with outrageous walk in prices these days?

Any help would be appreciated also via PM. I will book a hotel near Siam Square / Sukhumvit to start with so I can use the BTS to sneak away for the mongering fun, so my only question is how to best book hotels / domestic flight or train tickets when you are already in Bangkok. Is there a good local travel site or reasonable travel agency? I just do not know what we will like to do and booking in advance from China has proven a nightmare.

Thanks for the help and if I manage to get fun FR is promised, check my posting history outside Thailand.

FA.[/QUOTE]I an only speak from my own experience and for sure YMMV and other members will have done it differently.

Unless you want to go walking along the streets in a hot climate to find yourself the best possible hotel deal, I just click on [URL]www.booking.com[/URL] and find me the best deal available. They do not require payment up front and their prices are inclusive of all taxes and service charges.

It is unlikely you will find better deals and for sure the time and effort lost in looking around [I]in situ[/I] are not worth the small differences, if any at all.

The same goes for the travel. Gone are the days you needed to go through a travel agency. Now you buy your tickets on line directly from the airline. You cannot go any cheaper or more convenient than that.

For train travel you will have to go to the main train station to book your ticket. Espepcially for the long range trains and first class tickets you better do that a few days before you leave as these tickets are always in short supply.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1688159]The same goes for the travel. Gone are the days you needed to go through a travel agency. Now you buy your tickets on line directly from the airline. You cannot go any cheaper or more convenient than that..[/QUOTE]I would have to disagree here. I look up flights on [URL]kayak.com[/URL] Eva London to BKK via some 3rd party website came to 520 pounds. Directly on Eva it was 630, not earning miles, and around 780 if you want to earn miles.

[URL]Booking.com[/URL] is great. It's often when you pay in full you get a discount, which I don't recommend if you might need to change plans.

Thanks to all those who responded. It looks like a terrible week to be in Bangkok indeed. This may have been fun if you are 6 years old.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM0trEi2RJQ[/URL]

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1688159]I an only speak from my own experience and for sure YMMV and other members will have done it differently.

Unless you want to go walking along the streets in a hot climate to find yourself the best possible hotel deal, I just click on [URL]www.booking.com[/URL] and find me the best deal available. They do not require payment up front and their prices are inclusive of all taxes and service charges.
[/QUOTE]Sort of, at least. The best deals on [URL]booking.com[/URL] require a non-refundable pre-payment using your credit card. Refundable deals are more expensive.

I certainly agree with Wolvenvacht that walking the streets of Bangkok, luggage in tow, looking for a good hotel deals seems like a bad idea. Don't do this. The only sensible thing is to book online. Same goes for domestic airfare.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;1688188]Thanks to all those who responded. It looks like a terrible week to be in Bangkok indeed. This may have been fun if you are 6 years old.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM0trEi2RJQ[/URL][/QUOTE]Don't let everybody decide for you. You may like it. It's something everybody should experience once.

Now, IMHO, Songkran is much better outside of BKK. If you can go to Chiang Mai, Udon Thani, or someplace else upcountry, you'll find a much better experience overall. 2 or 3 years back, GF and I had a nice time in Udon. I got wasted drinking local beer and dancing in the streets with a bunch of Thai guys.

In BKK, and Pattaya, it's rather intense. You really can't go anywhere for at least 3 days without getting soaked (at least in the farang ghetto of lower Suk), and that's not much fun, unless you have nowhere to go. But elsewhere it's more laid back, the entire frikking city isn't involved, and you can avoid getting drenched if you like.

Also, if you are lucky, maybe you'll be able to participate in some of the other Songkran activities. You'll probably need a Thai GF or good acquaintance. Thais also make a point of visiting their families, making merit at the what is, pouring water on their relatives' ashes, and other interesting activities. If you dig a bit deeper you'll find Songkran to be more than just a gigantic water fight.

That said, GF and I do tend to travel outside of Thailand during Songkran, not just to avoid the water, but the traffic to / from BKK, drunk drivers, etc.

[QUOTE=Firebird;1688122]Not sure if this is the forum or it should be in the Bangkok hotel section. But I have been making a search in both. I just registered to stay in the Hilton Sukhumvit for my upcoming stay. From what I read most of the Bangkok hotels are GF. Though I could not find something specific on the Hilton Sukhumvit.

Could one of the locals please confirm this Hilton is GF? Many thanks.

Also where could I find a map showing some of the local spots to visit. Nana, Bier Garten. Etc?

I read that the Sukhumvit are is the right place to be. Was I correct?

Many, Many thanks. I have been reading the pages of the forum, perhaps I missed this info.

Once again thanks!![/QUOTE]Hi Firebird,

You should have no problem at Hilton. They are discrete about it and reception will just keep the girls I'd card for your safety.

Sukhumvit road is definitely the place to go mongering. You will find a lot nice of hang around bars with an abundance of English speaking girls down Soi 4. If you want go go bars then its either Nana Plaza (also Soi 4) or Soi Cowboy (next to Soi 23). Beware that beer price nearly double in Go go bars, but there is no cover, so you can bar hop easily.

If you want to party on after closing time, go to climax bar at Soi 11. Just get a taxi, they get a kickback to get you there. Climax usually keeps open to 5 or so, depending on the mood of the police. Its a big place with live music and lots of good-looking freelancers in case you didn't get lucky in a bar.

Have fun.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1687991]I frequent Bangkok Beat nightclub on SOI 7/1 as it is close to my apartment and they have several fun bands playing nightly. It is also a popular FL spot with many girls on most night. Nearly all will tell you they work for a salon. Not much imagination as you would think someone might say they work in an office environment for variety but virtually they all say salon when I ask their work.

I see many of the same girls night after night and some do quite well pulling at least one guy almost nightly. Two popular girls who I went with (and it was lousy) always seem to find a client. Sometimes, I feel like warning the guy. LOL.

However, there are some rare birds who come in there who are not on the clock. Last weekend, I met a girl towards closing time who had seen me there before. After dancing and hanging out for a while, she indicated that she wanted to go with me. I said OK but I have no money to pay you. This was partially true because my three prior experiences with girls here have been marginal at best and did not want to expend funds for another waste of time. Anyway, she agreed and devoured me in my apartment and again in the morning. Never asked for money when she left so found a freebie and one of the best shags so far in Bangkok. She is still texting me but not blowing up my phone. Funny, but says her occupation is with a salon too.[/QUOTE]If possible and when I am in town I used Bangkok Beat also as last stop before going to my apartment. Years ago the bar was open till around 4 AM, after the coupe they have to change to earlier closings like 2 AM (and sometimes till 3 AM.), latest I experienced this in mid-January.

I also remember that I had over the years several girls who came to my place without getting paid. Remember one particular girl who Always was there during the weekends (with a group of girls), she Always was sitting aside and played a lot with her Phone. On a particular night I made a remark to her, as it was too loud to have a conversation we both got outside, making a long story short, several hours later she came to my apartment and two days later (because the Monday was a Buddhist Holiday) I dropped her at her apartment at LadPro. 25 years old, around 168 cm, slim, office girl. Of course I had to pay for food etc. But the fucking was for free. We meet several weekends and during several trips.

Over the years I have experienced that not every girl in Bangkok is looking for money, only.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;1688342]Hi Firebird,

You should have no problem at Hilton. They are discrete about it and reception will just keep the girls I'd card for your safety.

Sukhumvit road is definitely the place to go mongering. You will find a lot nice of hang around bars with an abundance of English speaking girls down Soi 4. If you want go go bars then its either Nana Plaza (also Soi 4) or Soi Cowboy (next to Soi 23). Beware that beer price nearly double in Go go bars, but there is no cover, so you can bar hop easily.

If you want to party on after closing time, go to climax bar at Soi 11. Just get a taxi, they get a kickback to get you there. Climax usually keeps open to 5 or so, depending on the mood of the police. Its a big place with live music and lots of good-looking freelancers in case you didn't get lucky in a bar.

Have fun.[/QUOTE]Hey Carpaccio. MANY THANKS for the feedback. Definitely plan to have fun!

The place seems to close most nights at 3 am. Some of the bands are quite good especially the Filipina band that plays several nights during the week, but not all, starting at Midnight. The blond lead singer, whose name is Grace, is quite popular with the crowd in there and a nice person to chat with.

There are several girls, always together, who sit in the back section. I know at least one in this group will cost as she picked me up the first night I went to BB with the old "up to you" when I inquired about cost. Her relaxed attitude totally changed when we got back to my apartment. Then it was hurry up (so she can back to the bar). As a consequence, I gave her 1000 bhat, which she did not seem to like but accepted. She smiles at me all the time and points to her friends and gestures for me to come over but I figure birds of a feather flock together and don't want to repeat the same mistake twice.

There is one attractive girl I see in there constantly, usually comes alone, with lightly dyed hair and nice figure who always leaves with really old decrepit guys, generally overweight, and barely ambulatory. She scores almost every night I am there. She's got her target zone figured out.

But when I see the same girl in there all the time, I figure they are on the game. Your comment suggests I should reevaluate that train of thought.

Anyway, it's an easy stroll to my apartment, so I enjoy going there.

[QUOTE=Somewhere15;1688388]If possible and when I am in town I used Bangkok Beat also as last stop before going to my apartment. Years ago the bar was open till around 4 AM, after the coupe they have to change to earlier closings like 2 AM (and sometimes till 3 AM.), latest I experienced this in mid-January.

Over the years I have experienced that not every girl in Bangkok is looking for money, only.[/QUOTE]

Nice line up of sexy naked girls in Crazy House last night. I had already fucked my regular Tilac girl so was just window shopping. Strange that I had seen No. 91 since first visited and always thought she was pretty but perhaps not friendly to some of the other girls.

Last night she seemed to be friendly with a girl of well known good character so I thought I have to re evaluate my previous assessment. Her nose somehow looked shorter and cuter than before. Tall with rather white skin.

Decided to call her over for a chat. She seemed shy but came across as a good shy girl. Could she be just putting on her best act? Quite possible. Undecided.

I asked her to take her top off for a good tip as she has very nice tits just A cups but high (the tits are just 20 years old). Finally managed that after a few tequilas. She says has been working in bars since age 16 to support her family and brother in university. Claims to stay alone with her pets (some sort of animal smaller than a rabbit or squirrel). Not sure I believe she has no Thai BF. Has been seen leaving on motorbike with Thai boy I believe. She could be a big liar which would not be unusual. Its very hard to detect what is true on first conversation and bar gossip is not trustworthy too. She claimed her nose was natural where others has said fake. It looked real enough to me. No high bridge.

Definitely one of the very best looking girls for face and body. Maybe next time I will try fucking her just in case she turns out good. Very few of them are good for sex. Only 3 to date were good enough to repeat. The rest hopeless. So many inexperienced and dick scared. Maybe 91 has enough experience. Nice to know if anyone tried her already. Gave me a very nice tongue kiss and is non smoker.

Next time I might try to get her completely undressed and a lap dance if she is not too shy If all goes well I suppose I have to take the punt and go ST. I should really have fucked her a year ago, but she gives a nicer impression these days.

[QUOTE=Firebird;1688122]Not sure if this is the forum or it should be in the Bangkok hotel section. But I have been making a search in both. I just registered to stay in the Hilton Sukhumvit for my upcoming stay. From what I read most of the Bangkok hotels are GF. Though I could not find something specific on the Hilton Sukhumvit.

Could one of the locals please confirm this Hilton is GF? Many thanks.

Also where could I find a map showing some of the local spots to visit. Nana, Bier Garten. Etc?

I read that the Sukhumvit are is the right place to be. Was I correct?

Many, Many thanks. I have been reading the pages of the forum, perhaps I missed this info.

Once again thanks![/QUOTE]Hilton Sukhumvit is a new, beautiful hotel in Soi 24, and is very close to the oily in soi 24 & 26, but not so close to he Nana, Bier Garten, Thermae, Soi Cowboy area. Should you like to be closer to that area I recommend the Westin, Sofitel or Landmark.

[QUOTE=FernandoAlonso;1688134]Now my last visit is 20 years ago and my old strategy book a hotel for the first nights and then prolonge or find something else or move on seems to not work at all anymore. Most online provider require long time upfront booking and pre-payment?! Is it still possible to find decent hotels when you are onsite in Bangkok? And does this also apply for train tickets and hotels in other places like say Chiang Mai etc? Or are you completely fucked with outrageous walk in prices these days?
FA.[/QUOTE]I would say yes, it is still possible to find decent hotels when you are on site in Bangkok. Just book a hotel for the first 2 or 3 nights and then spend a day or half a day looking around for a good deal (without luggage obviously, so more relaxed). There are loads of hotels in Bangkok and tourism has gone down since the coup so it should certainly be possible to avoid outrageous walk in prices.

What you can do is search on internet booking sites for nice looking hotels and then pay them a visit to see if they are really nice.

Followed the information in the Bangkok Red Eye. First night strolled around Suk and ended up on Soi 22. Cursed the block and was enticed by a cute lady in front of a Massage shop. I took her advise and went for the Thai massage. She flipped me over and asked if I wanted happy ending. I said sure, take off your clothes and lets make love. She smiled and said two, I gave a frown and replied 1. 5. She said wait we need a condom. She came back and undressed, cute little body and nice firm see cups. She came twice and I just couldn't cum with these industrial condoms they use. She smiled and said ok I finish you. She oiled me up took off the condom and finished with a good HJ. She asked me to please out call her tomorrow. She would come to my hotel with surprises. This was Friday night.

I then walked over to NANA for a few beers. Next report to follow.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1688473] She came twice and I just couldn't cum with these industrial condoms they use. She smiled and said ok I finish you. She oiled me up took off the condom and finished with a good HJ. She asked me to please out call her tomorrow.
RL.[/QUOTE]Some of us write how we always take our own condoms to bookings, just in case. Durex Comfort is one type that suits me, so I am willing to pay extra 100 Baht for a box of three. I have others from OS. Wrong condoms definitely interferes with a session.

[QUOTE=Firebird;1688416]Hey Carpaccio. MANY THANKS for the feedback. Definitely plan to have fun![/QUOTE]If its your first time to Bangkok, let me give you a few more tips:

During the day you will get jumped at every street corner by tuktuk drivers offering happy hour body massage. Don't go for it, they will drive you halfway across Bangkok to some remote place where they get the best commission, then take you to a market on the way back where they get gas vouchers. You will be spending half the day doing this. If you want the fishbowl experience, you can just stroll to Soi 12, there is a sauna place on the right side just 30 meters into the Soi.

Daytime FS fun can also be had at Eden, which is located at Soi 7/1. This is not for the faint hearted, its is owned by a French guy and you get a 90 minute session with two girls for 3500 bht. The girls will line up, and the girls on one side of the yellow stripe will have no holes barred. The owner is very friendly and will tell you the ropes.

In the Go Go bars, girls will come and sit with you very quickly. This may not be the girl of your choice, and be careful not to start giving her lady drinks, because you will find it very difficult to switch lady once that happens. Take time and look for the girls who smile from stage, they are usually most fun. If the waitresses keep asking you to take a girl, you can buy some leeway by giving the waitress a drink. She may offer you advice on girls, which may be genuine but may as easily be a suggestion to take a girl who has not been very lucky recently. If you can't get eye contact with the girl of your choice, you can simply give her number to the waitress and she will fix you up. If you find yourself "owned" by the wrong girl, switch bar instead of girl, it is less hassle. Personally my favorite Go Gos are the ones in Soi Cowboy. Tilac and Suzie Wong.

Today Sunday, was best line up of girls ever at Crazy House for my personal taste. That is slim to skinny girls, slim legs, small tits, beautiful but not saggy, not silicone and lacking fake noses. 50% of them naked. The others have no panties under skirt. Very beautiful asses for my taste. If you like big tits, forget it. Not many with that. If you like silicones, again very few. Even fatties in short supply but a couple of more voluptuous types.

A lot of gyrating shaven pussy. Some more shy girls. Cannot find the equal of this, slim young pretty natural girls completely nude, in any other bar that I know of. I haven't checked out any bars in Phat Phong recently.

I like tall No. 05, very slim with cute ass, No. 4 quite pretty, both of these had very small tits. Also No. 35 and 50 and great dancers with tight bodies. I Bfed No. 91.20 YO, 170 cm. White skin, cute nose, just A cups, firm ass and curvy. Not quite skinny. She turned out to be not cock scared, hooray, and did not have a tiny tight pussy, so could take it all. Nice tongue kissing. Was into the DATY but was very difficult to make her cum. In the end I found out she liked very firm strong tongue action and managed to get her there finally. Needed a short rest to catch my breath. Allowed me to gently finger her very beautiful pussy as much as I liked which was a big turn on for me. Fuck was pretty good. She relaxed her legs well to make it easy. She was reluctant to use any gel, but after a long period it became necessary. Yes I would repeat. She is one of the more shy girls in the club as doesn't dance naked. Gets both Farang and Asian customers, due to white skin. Not the right choice for those who like big tits or very tight pussy. No tats, no piercings. Hard to find that.

This was only the 4th girl I had at CH good enough to be worth repeating, and only 1 other still works there.

However there are bound to be several great girls not yet tried. Would like to try the front of house girl too. There are some really good energetic dancers there.

Many bars including Crazy House will close on 4th. Alcohol cannot be sold. Buddhist Maka Buchaa.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;1688540]If its your first time to Bangkok, let me give you a few more tips:

During the day you will get jumped at every street corner by tuktuk drivers offering happy hour body massage. Don't go for it, they will drive you halfway across Bangkok to some remote place where they get the best commission, then take you to a market on the way back where they get gas vouchers. You will be spending half the day doing this. If you want the fishbowl experience, you can just stroll to Soi 12, there is a sauna place on the right side just 30 meters into the Soi.

Daytime FS fun can also be had at Eden, which is located at Soi 7/1. This is not for the faint hearted, its is owned by a French guy and you get a 90 minute session with two girls for 3500 bht. The girls will line up, and the girls on one side of the yellow stripe will have no holes barred. The owner is very friendly and will tell you the ropes.

In the Go Go bars, girls will come and sit with you very quickly. This may not be the girl of your choice, and be careful not to start giving her lady drinks, because you will find it very difficult to switch lady once that happens. Take time and look for the girls who smile from stage, they are usually most fun. If the waitresses keep asking you to take a girl, you can buy some leeway by giving the waitress a drink. She may offer you advice on girls, which may be genuine but may as easily be a suggestion to take a girl who has not been very lucky recently. If you can't get eye contact with the girl of your choice, you can simply give her number to the waitress and she will fix you up. If you find yourself "owned" by the wrong girl, switch bar instead of girl, it is less hassle. Personally my favorite Go Gos are the ones in Soi Cowboy. Tilac and Suzie Wong.[/QUOTE]Carpaccio, once again MANY Thanks!! This is not my first time in Bangkok, but it has been a while so I am trying to learn the "ropes" again. I do frequent the Philippines, China, China and Singapore. My preference is for LT in my hotel. Overnight. If I "connect" with the girl I will take for for subsequent nights. Last time I was in BKK, I used to frequent Biergarden, though reports are that the selection is old and used.

In the Philippines, I have a 23 yo "steady".

Would Soi Cowboy, Tilac and Suzie Wong be the places to find girl to bar find for overnight? What would be the damage? I do not want to upset the "economy" LOL.

Or would there be better places to find freelancers?.

With regards to Eden, let's see if I have time this trip to enjoy the girls.

Once again THANKS for the input.

Stay Safe.

Firebird.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;1688540]Daytime FS fun can also be had at Eden, which is located at Soi 7/1. This is not for the faint hearted, its is owned by a French guy and you get a 90 minute session with two girls for 3500 bht. The girls will line up, and the girls on one side of the yellow stripe will have no holes barred. The owner is very friendly and will tell you the ropes.[/QUOTE]I believe that Eden Club is now 4400 baht for a 90 minutes duo incall session. They also have single / duo lady outcall options. Is MoMay still working there?

Worth a try if you have never done it (think bucket list) although if I was looking for this type of action I prefer Devils Den in Pattaya which has a similar business model. Eden does not have much of a web presence but if you check out the DD website you will get the idea: [URL]http://devilsdenthailand.com/[/URL].

SL.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1688758]I believe that Eden Club is now 4400 baht for a 90 minutes duo incall session. They also have single / duo lady outcall options. Is MoMay still working there?

Worth a try if you have never done it (think bucket list) although if I was looking for this type of action I prefer Devils Den in Pattaya which has a similar business model. Eden does not have much of a web presence but if you check out the DD website you will get the idea: [URL]http://devilsdenthailand.com/[/URL].

SL.[/QUOTE]Its more than a year since I was at Eden, so price is probably up. But you're right, its certainly one for the bucket list.

[QUOTE=Firebird;1688757]Carpaccio, once again MANY Thanks!! This is not my first time in Bangkok, but it has been a while so I am trying to learn the "ropes" again. I do frequent the Philippines, China, China and Singapore. My preference is for LT in my hotel. Overnight. If I "connect" with the girl I will take for for subsequent nights. Last time I was in BKK, I used to frequent Biergarden, though reports are that the selection is old and used.

In the Philippines, I have a 23 yo "steady".

Would Soi Cowboy, Tilac and Suzie Wong be the places to find girl to bar find for overnight? What would be the damage? I do not want to upset the "economy" LOL.

Or would there be better places to find freelancers?.

With regards to Eden, let's see if I have time this trip to enjoy the girls.

Once again THANKS for the input.

Stay Safe.

Firebird.[/QUOTE]Hi Firebird.

You can easily find girls for LT at the Go Gos in Soi Cowboy. I was at Tilac some weeks ago, and they had lots of pretty girls, good English too. Had an LT thing with a very good looking and sweet girl with a great body from Tilac. She offered me company for my stay in BK and that's is far from unusual if she likes you.

Girls in the bars and freelancers are often a few years older than the gogo girls, so if you like them early 20's, gogo is the way to go.

Damage is typically 600 bht for the bar fee and 3000-4000 bht for a full night. If you want to stay with her next days, you will usually need to pay bar fee again, then she doesn't need to work (and tip her the 3-4 K again).

If you like the "slower" bar scene, Morning Night or one of the Hillary Bars in Soi 4 are good picks also. Damage is about the same, but drinks are much cheaper. Bar girls do tend to want to go to work though, as they have a quota of lady drinks they need to fill, and that won't happen if they are taking days off.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1688758]I believe that Eden Club is now 4400 baht for a 90 minutes duo incall session. They also have single / duo lady outcall options. Is MoMay still working there?

Worth a try if you have never done it (think bucket list) although if I was looking for this type of action I prefer Devils Den in Pattaya which has a similar business model. Eden does not have much of a web presence but if you check out the DD website you will get the idea: [URL]http://devilsdenthailand.com/[/URL].

SL.[/QUOTE]Anyone ever try the partybus from Bangkok down to Pattaya? Only 18000 baht for 3 girls of your choosing (14 k if you let them chose). Wonder if you could split that with a wingman and have a gangbang on the way down to Pattaya?

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1688758]I believe that Eden Club is now 4400 baht for a 90 minutes duo incall session. SL.[/QUOTE]Eden wasn't that special for me, although many years ago now. Too much acting. For less you could have a 2 girl Nuru bodyslide at Dr. BJ. I did and that was pretty damn good. One slim girl Pat was even a real bi-sexual and enthusiastic fuck. Ask her to recommend another girl. They don't have any strap-ONS like Eden but who cares? I also took two girls from Suzi Wong many times. Know a real lesbian there too.

I am just saying that for 2 girls, there are other options.

[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;1688540]In the Go Go bars, girls will come and sit with you very quickly. This may not be the girl of your choice, and be careful not to start giving her lady drinks, because you will find it very difficult to switch lady once that happens. Take time and look for the girls who smile from stage, they are usually most fun. If the waitresses keep asking you to take a girl, you can buy some leeway by giving the waitress a drink. She may offer you advice on girls, which may be genuine but may as easily be a suggestion to take a girl who has not been very lucky recently. If you can't get eye contact with the girl of your choice, you can simply give her number to the waitress and she will fix you up. If you find yourself "owned" by the wrong girl, switch bar instead of girl, it is less hassle. Personally my favorite Go Gos are the ones in Soi Cowboy. Tilac and Suzie Wong.[/QUOTE]Good advice. In particular, pushy girls will come to you. Do not let the girl choose you. Do not buy her a drink. You have the right to choose which one you want to sit with you. I don't find it that hard to switch girls if I am with the wrong girl. I simply call another girl over for a drink. Sometimes I have been with 2 girls for a period but only BF the one I want. Its really not necessary to switch bars. An totally unwanted girl can be told to go away, if hassling you.

When a girl requests to sit with you, you can say no thanks, or completely ignore an uninvited girl sitting close.

The more pushy the girl, the less I am interested.

Great. I wonder now that based on reports that CH is now one of the best in business, may be overtaking baccarra very quickly. LOL.

BTW, how much minimum lady drinks one needs to buy to BF a girl in CH? (in bacarra, when I last visited it was 2 drinks minimum and that too at a overwhelming price) and what was the LT damage negotiated with girl?

Cheers

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1688730]Today Sunday, was best line up of girls ever at Crazy House for my personal taste. That is slim to skinny girls, slim legs, small tits, beautiful but not saggy, not silicone and lacking fake noses. 50% of them naked. The others have no panties under skirt. Very beautiful asses for my taste. If you like big tits, forget it. Not many with that. If you like silicones, again very few. Even fatties in short supply but a couple of more voluptuous types.

A lot of gyrating shaven pussy. Some more shy girls. Cannot find the equal of this, slim young pretty natural girls completely nude, in any other bar that I know of. I haven't checked out any bars in Phat Phong recently.

I like tall No. 05, very slim with cute ass, No. 4 quite pretty, both of these had very small tits. Also No. 35 and 50 and great dancers with tight bodies. I Bfed No. 91.20 YO, 170 cm. White skin, cute nose, just A cups, firm ass and curvy. Not quite skinny. She turned out to be not cock scared, hooray, and did not have a tiny tight pussy, so could take it all. Nice tongue kissing. Was into the DATY but was very difficult to make her cum. In the end I found out she liked very firm strong tongue action and managed to get her there finally. Needed a short rest to catch my breath. Allowed me to gently finger her very beautiful pussy as much as I liked which was a big turn on for me. Fuck was pretty good. She relaxed her legs well to make it easy. She was reluctant to use any gel, but after a long period it became necessary. Yes I would repeat. She is one of the more shy girls in the club as doesn't dance naked. Gets both Farang and Asian customers, due to white skin. Not the right choice for those who like big tits or very tight pussy. No tats, no piercings. Hard to find that..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1688872]Good advice. In particular, pushy girls will come to you. Do not let the girl choose you. Do not buy her a drink. You have the right to choose which one you want to sit with you. I don't find it that hard to switch girls if I am with the wrong girl. I simply call another girl over for a drink. Sometimes I have been with 2 girls for a period but only BF the one I want. Its really not necessary to switch bars. An totally unwanted girl can be told to go away, if hassling you.

When a girl requests to sit with you, you can say no thanks, or completely ignore an uninvited girl sitting close.
The more pushy the girl, the less I am interested.[/QUOTE]It seems these gals just shove themselves into your space. Happened countless times to me and my friend.

These girls are very nice and its hard to say "get the fuck out of here" without shaming them or not buying a lady drink.

So, me and my friend got hit up every time we sat down and instead of insulting the girls we would just get up and leave to the next bar, after they request a lady drink.

Its sort of bitter sweet.

You can have a good time if they leave you alone at that bar and then you don't experience other bars. But when the gals come and ask for a LD, they you get up and go. You then go and get to experience other bars to your liking because of the harassment.

[QUOTE=TwoTimeTed;1688938]It seems these gals just shove themselves into your space. Happened countless times to me and my friend.

These girls are very nice and its hard to say "get the fuck out of here" without shaming them or not buying a lady drink.

So, me and my friend got hit up every time we sat down and instead of insulting the girls we would just get up and leave to the next bar, after they request a lady drink.

Its sort of bitter sweet.

You can have a good time if they leave you alone at that bar and then you don't experience other bars. But when the gals come and ask for a LD, they you get up and go. You then go and get to experience other bars to your liking because of the harassment.[/QUOTE]If you see it as a positive, great, but really even good bars have their aggressive girls that will head for any new comers not seen before. The pushy girls are usually the worst girls in the bar, so largely unwanted. The really good girls are usually not that desperate.

Its not necessary to be really rude unless the girl is very persistent. Simply, "No thankyou, I didn't want any company just yet" in response to "Can I sit here?" Or "No thanks" to "will you buy me a drink? And "no thanks, I don't like massage". If they start asking me lots of inane questions, I simply ignore them.

In due course, if I call a girl over for a drink, the unwanted one has to make way. She gets no drink. You cannot reward unwanted behaviour. For really annoying girls, you really can tell her to go away. If a girl sits next to me, and is not annoying me, then its okay I don't care, but I won't let her distract me from watching the other more interesting girls. The customer has to take charge of the situation, and not meekly fold to any old girl.

I generally don't get swamped by girls in bars, even if I am not known. If they come up and want to shake my hand, I just don't offer my hand. I am probably anti-social as I don't want to talk to every person in Thailand that wants to talk to me. I can try to be "Thai" polite only so far. The main thing is not to get annoyed too easily. Just ignore is better.

Believe me, in the old days it was much tougher. You could go into a bar like Kangaroo Bar, sit down, it would be quite dark, and pretty quickly the girls would be trying to unzip your pants and get your dick out to suck on, and you did not even ask for anything yet. Your eyes probably had not even adjusted to the very low light yet, so did not even know how pretty or not the girls were, or which ones you liked, or how much tip they were expecting. Also you could potentially be a bit shy about this, being a newbie to it all. Soon you got used to seeing naked girls with some guy's fingers (or your own) up their pussy. Girls would take it in turns to blow you, each competing to be the one to make you pop. I am not sure that you even had to pay for the tag team BJ back then. You just kept on buying drinks for the girls. Years later, fucking a girl in the common bar area might be no cause for shyness at all.

Reminder bars will not be open Wednesday.

Quick visit to Suzie Wong today. For skinny girls its dropped off badly. Once young girls quit Ice, they can't control their weight any more. Noi used to be skinny once. Nuu Dee was only slim one I could see at 7. 30. Big contrast to the Crazy House skinny lineup.

Was her period but we went and fucked anyway. Had to get her to take the "Luuk Jiap" sponge out it was severely interfering with penetration especially in doggy. It can be felt with finger so that is 4 inches deep at most. I am not that short.

I can never fuck girls who put these things inside.

Removal improved things greatly. Her pussy is very tight without any obstacles.

I never see any reports on China Town. It seems that since Bangkok is 40% Chinese that there would be some clubs or parlors in CT. WG's in other Asian cities that are PRC are making big money as hey are very desirable and very professional. Any leads or comments would be appreciated.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1689147]I never see any reports on China Town.
RL.[/QUOTE]There have been some sporadic reports on this area. But keep in mind ethnic Chinese have been assimilated with Thais for years now. Most of my Thai-Chinese friends, business associates, etc. are senior citizens and speak some combination of mandarin, cantonese and/or local dialect. Most of the younger generation only speak Thai!

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1689147]I never see any reports on China Town. It seems that since Bangkok is 40% Chinese that there would be some clubs or parlors in CT. WG's in other Asian cities that are PRC are making big money as hey are very desirable and very professional. Any leads or comments would be appreciated.

RL.[/QUOTE]I don't think they want to see any farangs there.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1689147]I never see any reports on China Town. It seems that since Bangkok is 40% Chinese that there would be some clubs or parlors in CT. WG's in other Asian cities that are PRC are making big money as hey are very desirable and very professional. Any leads or comments would be appreciated.

RL.[/QUOTE]I went there early November 2014: see reports #30013 and #30014 in this thread.

If you want to know more about this area then use the search function with these key words:

Yao Wa Rat road.

Mit Phan.

Maitri Chit.

Phantha Chit.

Soi Texas (Phadung Dao Road).

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1688460]I would say yes, it is still possible to find decent hotels when you are on site in Bangkok. Just book a hotel for the first 2 or 3 nights and then spend a day or half a day looking around for a good deal (without luggage obviously, so more relaxed). There are loads of hotels in Bangkok and tourism has gone down since the coup so it should certainly be possible to avoid outrageous walk in prices.

What you can do is search on internet booking sites for nice looking hotels and then pay them a visit to see if they are really nice.[/QUOTE]A Big thanks to all of you!

Helpful! I did manage booking most hotels mainly via bookingdotcom, reasonable deals and often no full prepay required, often with some cancellation possibilities 5 to 7 days in advance. Not perfect but workable. Used Ctrip for the rest but it is a nightmare as they have different systems and prices on iPhone, iPad and PC. Theiphone version is Chinese only but seems to use agoda for I ternational bookings, small tip if you are able to book on the Chinese language ones do that, much better prices. On the PC do your search in English, log in and then switch to Mandarin and voila you save a lot. They accept foreign credit cards.

In general short term booking is still a possibility but the good old backpacker days are gone. Miss that a lot.

I will do a report if I can sneak away for partaking and will report.

Thank you again for helping out.

FA.

Realize this is a bit of a dumb question, but has anyone ever gotten A+ from girls in gogos? If so, was there an upcharge?

Hello colleagues,

I am here in BKK now. I didn't expect to be able to do any mongering cause I was with a friend, but she left earlier than expected, so I found myself suddenly alone and free to fuck some pussy.

If anybody wants a wingman for hitting bars or just having drink, please message me, I'll be back to Europe on Friday!

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Specter69;1689376]Realize this is a bit of a dumb question, but has anyone ever gotten A+ from girls in gogos? If so, was there an upcharge?[/QUOTE]Yes, to your first question. The girls and I agreed on an all inclusive price. The price was not itemized by individual services: DFK, DATY, BBBJ, FS and A+.

BKK was never my favorite playground. But I decided to play several days before heading to work elsewhere.

Pay bar at gogo bar. I checked Nana and Soi Cowboy, seems there is not much nudity left. All Rainbow bars were with bikini. Bacara upstairs school girls also put on their shirts. The only place I saw some skin was from several very loose skin 15 years past their prime in Raw Hide bar.

It wasn't easy to pick someone and conduct interview with hordes and hordes of tourists around you. All these popular bars are way too hectic.

I picked up one with nice body at R4, a bit of cold attitude, probably multiple bar fines a night, pricy as expected, I hurriedly swallowed my kamagra. She asked for 2500st, but I had to beg her for discount because I told her I have low income, and she agreed 2000.

Then we left and I tried to walked out to get a taxi to my hotel in Phrom Phom, that's where the bad feeling started, she thought I agreed to go ST hotel inside Nana, she insisted she only wants to go ST inside the premise. I gave in, I did have much a choice anymore, unless I gave up the bar fine. The mood went downhill from there.

The whole session was quite mechanical, I can feel she gets multi pay bar a day, she was just follow her routine, I asked for BBBJ, she said she has sore in her mouth, but gave me some CBJ, which I hate the most. Very quiet session, could feel she tried hard to make me cum fast.

The overall spending for this R4 girl, drinks about 300, bar fine 600, body fee 2000, ST hotel 300, total 3200.

I believe this is the average for these big gogos in Bangkok. I probably won't repeat these big tourist shops. Maybe next time going to Snow White get an older girl to CIM for better value.

By the way I feel Bangkok price has over taken KL and Singapore. Last month I has 2 great session at Sky River in KL with 19 and 21 years old very nice girls with great BBBJ for 210 RM, the spa gave me a big free meal too. Last Nov in Geylang, I had 3 sessions with very 3 young China dolls in S150 houses age all under 22, all gave me BBBJ, 1 gave me rimming, 1 allowed me CIM.

Sometimes I start to wonder the value of play in Bangkok, and the unpredictable service quality here, sometimes I feel Kl and Sing not too bad after all.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1689147]I never see any reports on China Town. It seems that since Bangkok is 40% Chinese that there would be some clubs or parlors in CT. WG's in other Asian cities that are PRC are making big money as hey are very desirable and very professional. Any leads or comments would be appreciated.

RL.[/QUOTE]. This is the info I found. I had saved the post and here is a copy.

Orchard Towers it is not, but. 
8232;There's a brothel with Chinese women smack in the middle of Yaowarat, about 50 m from the corner of Soi Texas (the junction with outdoor food places overflowing into the main road). 
8232;In this picture, it would be just outside of the bounds to the left:8232;8232;[URL]http://www.flickr.com/photos/queenofoeb/60409150/&[/URL]#8232;8232;This is another view of Soi Texas (the place is on Yaowarat road itself near Texas intersection):8232;8232;[URL]http://www.panoramio.com/photo/10714745&[/URL]#8232;8232;The place is called Broadway hotel, but you won't see the sign unless you look up and scan carefully. Easiest is to just walk along Yaowarat from the junction, looking into the doorways. You'll normally see 2-10 Chinese hookers sitting on the stairway and some may call you. Sometimes, they walk Soi Texas and surrounding areas as well. They look rather different from Thais. 
8232;Chinese women working at or near Broadway range in age from early 20's to 50's, but not all are present at any given time (you're likely to see 20% of what's available). I think the best time to go is late afternoon. 5-7 pm or so (but it varies, no hard rule here). 
8232;Price is 300-800 baht for a quick poke, although they try to ask for more. Negotiate hard and try to pay towards the lower end. It's Chinese style, and don't worry, no matter how little you pay, they'll try to deliver *less. You can always pay them more in the room if necessary (e. G. 100 for a BJ). Even if you pay them 1500, they won't just include it without a struggle. 
8232;The room is 70 baht (unless the attendant is sleeping, then it's free). Ask for a room one with a toilet (otherwise you may get a really crappy one). You can also go to a different place (small soi parallel to Soi Texas has a better ST hotel next to the massage place for 150 baht). 
8232;Service quality is truly crap compared to anything you experienced in Thailand, but it costs next-to-nothing so it's still worth a try for the novelty factor. Be prepared, some V is advised, as they won't try to make you particularly horny. Once in the room, the women demand money in advance, but you'll have better service if you manage to convince them to pay after. I get a sense they're semi-freelancers. Not much structure in the whole deal (I've managed to take a rare good one home for 1500/3 h and had an OK time, better than at the hotel). They probably work on their own, but pay the rent / protection (not a cut of each service). No obvious pimp presence. 
8232;They generally don't speak Thai (much less English) , so communication will be a problem. However, near Broadway / Soi Texas it's obvious what the transaction is about, easy to deal. There are a lot of *ish looking Chinese women milling around 2nd floor from Lotus (Th Mangkon) with massage, tea and karaoke shops. However, in that place the setup is less obvious, I never picked anyone from there (I'm a bit timid, I guess).

For those interested in picking up freelancers in this area, during daylight hours, I would reccomend Soi Texas (Phadung Dao) and the passageway the leads off the north eastern corner and joind Yaowarat opposite the Chinatown Hotel. The restaurant at the Yaowarat end of the passageway, on the right, is also great for shark-fin soup.

After dark, the freelancers are displaced from Soi Texas by the numerous seafood stalls that set up along the road. I would reccomend Lek & Rut for delightful grilled prawns and crab etc.

Soi Texas actually takes it's name from the old 'Texas Theatre' that once stood there. If anyone has information or photos of what this place used to be like, I'd be very interested to see.

If your taste is for the more mature ladies, the bus stops on Charoen Krung, opposite Soi Texas, normally has a number of ladies looking for business.

The other pick up areas in Chinatown are along Thanon Maitri Chit and Thanon Mit Phan. These are pretty good almost any time of day or night.

Short time hotels are plentiful, but many are complete flee-pits. I would reccomend either the one adjacent Texas massage or The Tai Pei in Thanon Mit Phan.

Both the Chinatown & White Orchid hotels are girl friendly, but they will will copy the girls I'd cards. However, apart from near the river, Chinatown can be very smoggy and suffocating, I wouldn't reccomend it as a location to base yourself in. Better explore as a visitor.

[QUOTE=ShinShin;1689539]
Pay bar at gogo bar. I checked Nana and Soi Cowboy, seems there is not much nudity left. All Rainbow bars were with bikini. Bacara upstairs school girls also put on their shirts. The only place I saw some skin was from several very loose skin 15 years past their prime in Raw Hide bar.
[/QUOTE]If you read here regularly, you would know that total nudity occurs at Doll House, Suzie Wong, Crazy House, and Long Gun. In some of these bars pussy is well shaved. Some girls in Crazy House are pretty wayward in displaying everything they have.

Rainbow 4 is a very hit and miss bar for girls. I have not had many good ones from there. Most are looking for a quickie and I am not that. Crazy House is also Hit and Miss. More miss than hit. Suzie Wong girls are better performers on average. Haven't had a bad girl from there for a long time. However I know a few girls quite well (when they show up that is) and rarely try a new girl (unless comes highly recommended).

This is the info I found. I had saved the post and here is a copy.

Many thanks Dog. Next time I'll wander around and see what I can get into. Any Viet Nam Ladies in there? The China Town in Honolulu is all Viet Nam now. The cycle of life. Chinese are to rich to have shops in CT.

Mahalo.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1689608]This is the info I found. I had saved the post and here is a copy.

Many thanks Dog. Next time I'll wander around and see what I can get into. Any Viet Nam Ladies in there? The China Town in Honolulu is all Viet Nam now. The cycle of life. Chinese are to rich to have shops in CT.

Mahalo.

RL.[/QUOTE]The Chinese are the landlords of the Vietnamese in Honolulu's Chinatown.

[QUOTE=ShinShin;1689539]BKK was never my favorite playground. But I decided to play several days before heading to work elsewhere.

Pay bar at gogo bar. I checked Nana and Soi Cowboy, seems there is not much nudity left. All Rainbow bars were with bikini. Bacara upstairs school girls also put on their shirts. The only place I saw some skin was from several very loose skin 15 years past their prime in Raw Hide bar.

It wasn't easy to pick someone and conduct interview with hordes and hordes of tourists around you. All these popular bars are way too hectic.

I picked up one with nice body at R4, a bit of cold attitude, probably multiple bar fines a night, pricy as expected, I hurriedly swallowed my kamagra. She asked for 2500st, but I had to beg her for discount because I told her I have low income, and she agreed 2000.

Then we left and I tried to walked out to get a taxi to my hotel in Phrom Phom, that's where the bad feeling started, she thought I agreed to go ST hotel inside Nana, she insisted she only wants to go ST inside the premise. I gave in, I did have much a choice anymore, unless I gave up the bar fine. The mood went downhill from there.

The whole session was quite mechanical, I can feel she gets multi pay bar a day, she was just follow her routine, I asked for BBBJ, she said she has sore in her mouth, but gave me some CBJ, which I hate the most. Very quiet session, could feel she tried hard to make me cum fast.

The overall spending for this R4 girl, drinks about 300, bar fine 600, body fee 2000, ST hotel 300, total 3200.

I believe this is the average for these big gogos in Bangkok. I probably won't repeat these big tourist shops. Maybe next time going to Snow White get an older girl to CIM for better value.

By the way I feel Bangkok price has over taken KL and Singapore. Last month I has 2 great session at Sky River in KL with 19 and 21 years old very nice girls with great BBBJ for 210 RM, the spa gave me a big free meal too. Last Nov in Geylang, I had 3 sessions with very 3 young China dolls in S150 houses age all under 22, all gave me BBBJ, 1 gave me rimming, 1 allowed me CIM.

Sometimes I start to wonder the value of play in Bangkok, and the unpredictable service quality here, sometimes I feel Kl and Sing not too bad after all.[/QUOTE]Agree with you 100%. The value for money in BKK is quite poor, especially in the GoGos. 100 USD for 15 min of sex is a rip off. Back when it cost you less than half that, a short sesh was almost ok. For 100 USD I expect 120 min of pure PSE insanity. The only places that are decent value are the oilies. KL is still KL. That is what I like about it. Not a tourist destination really, so there has not been the pricing pressure from overzealous punters who have no issue paying whatever for whatever because it is "still cheaper than where I live. " Money is one thing but the poor attitudes and bad service that have come as a result is what is most unacceptable.

We have a three hour layover at BKK airport in the late afternoon. Considering going through immigration and checkin for next flight we got at most 1. 5 hours free time. Is there a massage / soapie nearby that we can manage in this timeframe /?

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;1689690]We have a three hour layover at BKK airport in the late afternoon. Considering going through immigration and checkin for next flight we got at most 1. 5 hours free time. Is there a massage / soapie nearby that we can manage in this timeframe /?[/QUOTE]FWIW I think that would be tough. Nothing worthwhile close enough in my view. Immigration took me 45 minutes last time and then security and passport control could be a nightmare unless you are in Business Class. You will also need to pay airport tax if you enter Thailand. [URL]http://www.thai-airways.ru/en/information-for-passengers/50/[/URL] 700 baht.

Chill, get a foot massage in the Terminal near area G.

Cheers.

So off I went to the Hauy Kwang district after lunch. Got off the MRT and walked around checking out the area. The first is the group of Soapy are The Madame, Nataree, and Emmanuelle. I went into each to check out the stock. The Madame had 5 girls that looked good but a little on the heavy side 1800. Next I went to Nataree and the 10 girls were like vultures all to thin and not very good looking, 2100. Then I went to Emmanuelle. WOW! 50 + cute ladies all cookie cutter cute and great bodies. I ask the boss the price and he shocked me with a 3200 start and up to 6000 for the models.

I went back to The Madame and choose the cutest one, although a good 50 kilos she was nice. Her name is Cee. She was great soup to nuts the best service I had in the 4 days in BKK. The nice surprise was the the cups, once she undressed and started using those wonderful tits, I was sold on her. She took her time and had a great attitude always laughing and making cute noises. Great CBJ and then rinse and on to the bed for a nice session of full sex. Again the industrial grade condoms were not the pleasure I had hoped for so she finished me off with a very professional HJ. Full 2 hrs and I tipped her 300.

Day 3 was not good as I went shopping at MBK and after lunch back to the Patpong area. A street hustler talked me into a Soapy in Patpong. After yesterday I figured why not, that was so good. Well be warned that Patpong is the worst. I went in and picked the best looking body in the fishbowl. She was cute and very sexy. We got to the room and she ask me to lay down in the bathtub and she turned on the cold water and gave a 5 minute soapy. Put her tits in my face and whispered in my ear "don't forget my tip". Dryed me off and layed on the bed and she applied the condom and jumped on. We managed a few positions and I was able to cum do to her very tight pussy. 2000 + 300 tip, 1 hour or less.

Day 4, and it's getting worse. I changed money on Silom Rd and was walking back to catch to Skytrain to go back to Huay Kwang when a Taxi boss asked me where I was going. I told him and he said why pay the train and the MRT so much when his taxi for 200 would take me around all afternoon to find the best place and wait for me to bring me back to my hotel. Made sense to me.

The first place the driver took me only had 5 girls and the asking price was 3400. I assumed that they had to pay the driver so I declined and asked him to take me to another. He said this next place is where I go when he is horny. They had 8 girls and not bad. Price 2000. I ask them to stand up and they looked at me like I was crazy. The coach then asked me which one would you like to stand up. I choose that one and we went upstairs. Nice body, nice attitude but finished in 35 minutes. I complained and told her no tip. I complained to the boss and she said sorry. Back to he taxi and to he hotel. Bad service and I don't even know the name of the place. So much for trusting taxi service. Another lesson learned.

After dinner on Silom Rd. I decided that since my GF was arriving tomorrow from Bali, that I needed to get laid once more before she arrived. I walked down Silom Rd and came on a small massage shop. 2 cute girls in front. I asked about a Thai massage and she said I was the only customer today so she wanted to give me a good massage. When we got to the room she was very sweet and asked me what else I wanted. I told her I wanted good sex. She was happy to hear that and said that she was horny and took her clothes off. Lubed me up and jumped on top. She was horny and came quickly. We went a few positions and played for awhile but again the condom was just not right. She took it off and gave me a great HJ to cum. 1500 + 300 tip.

Many lessons learned but I guess that is part of paying your dues in BKK. I'll be back in May and prepared better this time. Only a rooky once.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1689765]
SNIP
Again the industrial grade condoms were not the pleasure I had hoped for so she finished me off with a very professional HJ.
SNIP
We went a few positions and played for awhile but again the condom was just not right.
SNIP
Many lessons learned but I guess that is part of paying your dues in BKK. I'll be back in May and prepared better this time. Only a rooky once.

RL.[/QUOTE]Why didn't you buy your own condoms? Every 7/11 has Durex.

Only a rookie once? I don't think so. Even after 10+ years of mongering in SE Asia I still make rookie mistakes sometimes, usually when my dick takes control LOL!

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1689765]*snip* I decided that since my GF was arriving tomorrow from Bali, that I needed to get laid once more before she arrived. *snip* Only a rookie once.

RL.[/QUOTE]Rookie my ass, if you have a Bali girlfriend coming to Bangkok! You get no sympathy from me, you lucky dog! TTG.

Had a night in Bangkok before the wife and kids arrived, decided to have some fun in Soi Cowboy. Was staying in the Grand Millenium which is a great location, easy walking distance. Didn't have any issues bringing a girl back through the back entrance.

Started the night strolling up the 'strip' looking for somewhere to start. Went into Baccara which is definitely worth the experience, but was hard for me (as a decent looking middle aged cauc) to catch the eye of any of the 'dancing' girls. The waitresses were very friendly though. Had a drink while enjoying the show, some great talent here, but again very hard to find interested dancers. Upstairs was topless and underwear-less where downstairs they were fully clothed.

Decided to leave for a stroll and was dragged into a bar that I can't even remember the name of. Maybe 5 star or all star? Anyway, it was terrible, mostly just fat girls hustling for lady drinks. Bailed before I could be charged for anything. Headed into afterskool bar where I had quite a few drinks with a girl dressed in black (not the regular schoolgirl uniform, not sure what the difference is.) Anyway she was hot, pretty friendly and I wanted to bust my first nut in Bangkok so went to the 'naughty boy corner' with her. Cost 1000 Baht (didn't negotiate) for a BBJ.

Was a pretty great BJ.

Positives: lots of eye contact from a beautiful girl, groping of tits, pussy and ass allowed and dedication without complaint (took about 20 minutes).

Negatives: not CIM and didn't go particular deep, never past 3 inches.

Definitely a fun experience getting a BJ from a stunner in front of a bunch of strangers, probably overpaid but worth it for me!

After this had a break, got a late dinner, went back into Baccara (more of the same) before going into Doll House which was fully nude, and had some pretty amazing girls dancing (8+'s). Had a drink and had to push some less desirable girls away before catching the eye of a sexy spinner dancing. I raised my drink at her and she finished dancing immediately and came over to me. Had a quick chat, bought her a drink and asked her if she was barfineable. She immediately said yes, 600 B. I asked how much for ST, she said 2500, I said 1500, settled at 2000. Paid the barfine, she got changed and we walked back to the hotel together.

Showered together which was quite the experience, she was very affectionate which was fun. Into the bedroom and the fun begun. Special mention to her DFK which was amazing (and I'm usually not into kissing WGs, but she created the perfect GFE).

Finished up and paid her the 2000 plus a 200 tip and fell happily asleep.

All up the damage for 6 hours of fun (7 pm-1 am) was about 6000 baht, less than 200 USD. This included what's basically a strip club, a lot of drinks, a BJ in a crowded bar and full service with a sexy spinner who gave me the best GFE I've ever had. Bangkok is still truly a fantastic place! (At least for married tourists!

Happy mongering.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;1689690]We have a three hour layover at BKK airport in the late afternoon. Considering going through immigration and checkin for next flight we got at most 1. 5 hours free time. Is there a massage / soapie nearby that we can manage in this timeframe /?[/QUOTE]I think that we have been through this before. I did get a HJ in a hotel some years back but that was it. Nothing else available.

I haven't posted in a VERY long time but thought I should as I like to come in here and check up from time to time.

Haven't really been to BKK since 2006 and it seems to have changed a lot. I wasnt fan of Nana Plaza or Cowboy back then and with the prices I have seen around the place, I'm even less likely to now.

I usually stay down in Pattaya where the prices are still more value packed.

However, I did look up the BJ bars on the internet and found out that [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] had some competition around the corner. Its called Kasalong and its literally around the corner from [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. As you know or if you are a newbie, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] is off Soi 8, as you are walking down its on the right hand side of the side streets. Just walk to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and keep walking and you will turn a corner and see a barber shop and then Kaslong in Green writing. Girls were wearing a blue uniform at the time.

Initially I didn't see any girl that took my fancy and kept walking but then turned around and saw a tall thin cute one walk out of the bar. I instantly snagged her much to the other girls dismay as it didn't appear to be a busy day and I got the impression that this girl is very popular.

Went upstairs to a decent sized room and she went to town. Now usually I can't cum by BJ alone, I usually have to finish myself off but this girl had mad skills. She was also cute as hell and made good eye contact. I must say that the initial cleaning process, I'm not a fan where they wash your junk in the sink and water goes down your legs. Nope.

Anyway took about 20 minutes and she was skilled the whole time, no hurry up or anything and didn't even expect a tip at the end (I gave her 100). Then went downstairs and paid 700. I did notice that there was a time stamp on the piece of paper so I wonder if they use that to tell the guy you pay more because you took longer or its to tell the girls to hurry up.

She was 22. Definitely would repeat if I wasnt going to Pattaya tomorrow. Thats my usual haunt and I will be happy to get back there.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1689776]Why didn't you buy your own condoms? Every 7/11 has Durex.

Only a rookie once? I don't think so. Even after 10+ years of mongering in SE Asia I still make rookie mistakes sometimes, usually when my dick takes control LOL![/QUOTE]I haven't used a condom for years. My GF and business partner in Bali (Indo / Chinese) has taken care of my needs for years. She wanted to go to Siem Reap to see Angkor what and pray. I would never do a WG without a condom and was totally unprepared. Next time I will plan ahead. Looking for the Origami condoms, any in BKK yet?

RL.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;1689690]We have a three hour layover at BKK airport in the late afternoon. Considering going through immigration and checkin for next flight we got at most 1. 5 hours free time. Is there a massage / soapie nearby that we can manage in this timeframe /?[/QUOTE]Only thought that comes to mind is the devils den party bus, they say they'll meet you at the airport with 3 girls inside. Its not cheap but you can tell them to drive in a circle and have a gangbang inside the bus, then have them drop you right back off at the airport.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1689985]Only thought that comes to mind is the devils den party bus, they say they'll meet you at the airport with 3 girls inside. Its not cheap but you can tell them to drive in a circle and have a gangbang inside the bus, then have them drop you right back off at the airport.[/QUOTE]Interesting idea thank you. Will run this by my friend.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1616634]There are as many opinions on the never ending BKK vs Pattaya debate as there are punters, but anyone who suggests there is not much action in BKK doesn't know what they are taking about. Pattaya is mostly about Go Go's, FL's, and small bars. The town has a crazy relaxed resort feel. BKK is about Go Go's, massage parlors, FL's and night clubs. The city has a distinct modern Thai cosmopolitan cultural feel. There is no telling which destination will be more to you liking before you go and experience them both so your original plan is pretty good. The important thing is no matter how you slice it, 4/6, 6/4, or 5/5; you are going to have a great time. So don't waste your time on over thinking your schedule. I suggest you spend your time in a more productive way by carefully reading the forums going back a year or so. Take notes and write down the establishments that consistently receive high marks from respected ISG'ers. In the Pat forum you will read a lot about Sensations, Baccara, Airport, & Happy Go Go's on Walking Street; LK Metro; Beach Road; & the many small bars on Soi Six. In the BKK forums you will read a lot about Baccara, Crazy House, Suzi Wong Go Go's on Cowboy; Rainbow 4 Go Go in Nana; Nataree, Amsterdam, Lord, & La Belle Soapies; Mango, Cherry, Snow White, EZ, & Bamboo oilies; & Climax on Soi 11. Ignore the extreme negative posts.

I favor BKK over Pattaya because I prefer the big city over the resort town. But that is just my opinion. Actually I dig both places a lot. They seem to compliment each other. So do your homework, then go there, and decide which place you like best. They are both amazing.[/QUOTE]I am visiting Thailand second time in end of March for ten days (wish it was ten years) LOL I have been reading forum in preparation for my visit and I must say that Natty Bumpo your summarized report is very helpful. Having experience is one thing and efficiently writing about is an art which many people lack. Well done and keep it up Natty Bumpo.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1689909] Next time I will plan ahead. Looking for the Origami condoms, any in BKK yet?

RL.[/QUOTE]I can highly suggest the Japanese Sagami. 01 mm Condom. I have found them on Ebay for about $4 each with shipping. Not cheap, but these are supposed to be the world's thinnest, and they are very thin but seem strong.

I also like the. 02 mm Okamoto condoms at about half the price from Ebay. I used these with a provider who, after she kept touching me down there, said it felt so natural to her that she kept thinking I had pulled it off. I was surprised that she was able to tell, but she loved them.

I can't a tell much difference between the two, but I have never done a comparison test, and I am not sure I am all that sensitive anyway, but both are definitely better than the regular thin condoms sold in the US.

I am stocking up on both of these prior to my trip, hopefully in 6 weeks.

Barfine is 600-800 THB per evening / night. For next time I intend to spend two or three weeks holiday with a bar girl (I know the girl from last visit). How much barfine I have to pay? Is there a discount for so long? Does anyone have experience? -

Thanks for a hint or a recommendation.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1688872]Good advice. In particular, pushy girls will come to you. Do not let the girl choose you. Do not buy her a drink. You have the right to choose which one you want to sit with you. I don't find it that hard to switch girls if I am with the wrong girl. I simply call another girl over for a drink. Sometimes I have been with 2 girls for a period but only BF the one I want. Its really not necessary to switch bars. An totally unwanted girl can be told to go away, if hassling you.

When a girl requests to sit with you, you can say no thanks, or completely ignore an uninvited girl sitting close.

The more pushy the girl, the less I am interested.[/QUOTE]Your'e absolutely right. You're the customer, you make the choice.

The advice about switching bars is mostly from a couple of experienced I have had, where girl "one" gets upset with girl "two", or even girl "two" will start crying on the way to the hotel and ask me why I sat with girl "one" and not her from the beginning. Messy.

Thank Syzygies,

Based on your report, Crazy House just made the top of my must-TODO, when I am back in BKK in about a month or so.

Been mostly hanging around Suzie Wong for the naked experience, but the line up there is not as good as it was last year. My all-time favorite Lai disappeared from SW and I don't know where she's working now. The other girls don't seem to know (or willing to tell).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1688730]Today Sunday, was best line up of girls ever at Crazy House for my personal taste. That is slim to skinny girls, slim legs, small tits, beautiful but not saggy, not silicone and lacking fake noses. 50% of them naked. The others have no panties under skirt. Very beautiful asses for my taste. If you like big tits, forget it. Not many with that. If you like silicones, again very few. Even fatties in short supply but a couple of more voluptuous types.

A lot of gyrating shaven pussy. Some more shy girls. Cannot find the equal of this, slim young pretty natural girls completely nude, in any other bar that I know of. I haven't checked out any bars in Phat Phong recently.

I like tall No. 05, very slim with cute ass, No. 4 quite pretty, both of these had very small tits. Also No. 35 and 50 and great dancers with tight bodies..[/QUOTE]

How do the cost of condoms compare in Bangkok versus the US or AMAZON?

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1689765]So off I went to the Hauy Kwang district after lunch. Got off the MRT and walked around checking out the area. The first is the group of Soapy are The Madame, Nataree, and Emmanuelle. I went into each to check out the stock. The Madame had 5 girls that looked good but a little on the heavy side 1800. Next I went to Nataree and the 10 girls were like vultures all to thin and not very good looking, 2100. Then I went to Emmanuelle. WOW! 50 + cute ladies all cookie cutter cute and great bodies. I ask the boss the price and he shocked me with a 3200 start and up to 6000 for the models.

I went back to The Madame and choose the cutest one, although a good 50 kilos she was nice. Her name is Cee. She was great soup to nuts the best service I had in the 4 days in BKK. The nice surprise was the the cups, once she undressed and started using those wonderful tits, I was sold on her. She took her time and had a great attitude always laughing and making cute noises. Great CBJ and then rinse and on to the bed for a nice session of full sex. Again the industrial grade condoms were not the pleasure I had hoped for so she finished me off with a very professional HJ. Full 2 hrs and I tipped her 300.

Day 3 was not good as I went shopping at MBK and after lunch back to the Patpong area. A street hustler talked me into a Soapy in Patpong. After yesterday I figured why not, that was so good. Well be warned that Patpong is the worst. I went in and picked the best looking body in the fishbowl. She was cute and very sexy. We got to the room and she ask me to lay down in the bathtub and she turned on the cold water and gave a 5 minute soapy. Put her tits in my face and whispered in my ear "don't forget my tip". Dryed me off and layed on the bed and she applied the condom and jumped on. We managed a few positions and I was able to cum do to her very tight pussy. 2000 + 300 tip, 1 hour or less.

Day 4, and it's getting worse. I changed money on Silom Rd and was walking back to catch to Skytrain to go back to Huay Kwang when a Taxi boss asked me where I was going. I told him and he said why pay the train and the MRT so much when his taxi for 200 would take me around all afternoon to find the best place and wait for me to bring me back to my hotel. Made sense to me..[/QUOTE]Robert Long,

300 tip after paying 2000 is ridiculous. No more than than 100 RMB if you must tip. I usually just tell them the tip is included in the 2000. The girls are always fine with that answer.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1691245]How do the cost of condoms compare in Bangkok versus the US or AMAZON?[/QUOTE]Cost of condoms in Bangkok:

[URL]http://www.bangkokcomplementaryhealth.com/Condom-Packs.html[/URL]

Like in the USA, cost might be slightly cheaper or slightly more expensive at 7-11 or pharmacies; but the difference shouldn't be too significant.

I will say that the guy running the Turkish Kebab cart outside of Nana makes amazing food. 60 baht kebabs and 2 make a great meal. Far better than a burger.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1691297]Robert Long,

300 tip after paying 2000 is ridiculous. No more than than 100 RMB if you must tip. I usually just tell them the tip is included in the 2000. The girls are always fine with that answer.[/QUOTE]Ok Cheap Charlie, but $10.00 is nothing to me and it means a lot to her. These girls remember the guys that treat them well. I'm from a tipping society that realizes that a small gratuity is appreciated. I tip well everywhere. It's all about Karma. I've been fortunate in life so why not treat others well?

Aloha RL.

[QUOTE=FunlvGguy;1690056]I am visiting Thailand second time in end of March for ten days (wish it was ten years) LOL I have been reading forum in preparation for my visit and I must say that Natty Bumpo your summarized report is very helpful. Having experience is one thing and efficiently writing about is an art which many people lack. Well done and keep it up Natty Bumpo.[/QUOTE]Natty summed it up very nicely.

I love both too. Patts is cheaper and easier to navigate. So I prefer it for holiday if I just want to relax and not worry too much about what I want to do on any given day. For a longer stay or for a place to live I am pretty sure I'd like BK much better as it's a real International city with much to offer.

But why not hit both and decide for yourself?

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1691378]Ok Cheap Charlie, but $10.00 is nothing to me and it means a lot to her. These girls remember the guys that treat them well. I'm from a tipping society that realizes that a small gratuity is appreciated. I tip well everywhere. It's all about Karma. I've been fortunate in life so why not treat others well?

Aloha RL.[/QUOTE]You just don't get it. Cheap Charlie, Karma, Fortunate, Treat others well.

If you are so fortunate, go to the erotic review in whatever city you are in. I can promise you they will have Thai women for you. Show them you aren't a Cheap Charlie, you have Karma, you are Fortunate, and you treat others well.

We don't need you driving up the prices in Thailand because you are fortunate, because most of us are not.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1691378]Ok Cheap Charlie, but $10.00 is nothing to me and it means a lot to her. These girls remember the guys that treat them well. I'm from a tipping society that realizes that a small gratuity is appreciated. I tip well everywhere. It's all about Karma. I've been fortunate in life so why not treat others well?

Aloha RL.[/QUOTE]Being from a tipping society doesn't mean that you have to throw around money with your home standards.

I apply local standards, so I wouldn't tip a daily minimum wage of the place because hey, others have to work a long day for that amount!

For Thailand that's THB 300 (or has it risen again?

Dee

[QUOTE=Yujin;1691313]Cost of condoms in Bangkok:

[URL]http://www.bangkokcomplementaryhealth.com/Condom-Packs.html[/URL]

Like in the USA, cost might be slightly cheaper or slightly more expensive at 7-11 or pharmacies; but the difference shouldn't be too significant.[/QUOTE]I would be seriously worried if one needs to start browsing through the net to search for the cheapest condom.

After the "where do we get the best exchange rate" (to change maybe 200 bucks) are we now heading into "where to find the cheapest condom"?

If the price of condom is a concern. OMG, people should stay home, DIY (bit don't wash hands as also soap comes with a cost).

LOL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1689765]So off I went to the Hauy Kwang district after lunch. Got off the MRT and walked around checking out the area. The first is the group of Soapy are The Madame, Nataree, and Emmanuelle.

RL.[/QUOTE]Never been to this area of town.

Are these places easy to find?

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;1691458]Never been to this area of town.

Are these places easy to find?[/QUOTE]They are only easy to find IF you take the right exit from MRT. If not, then you will be going in the opposite direction and not even realizing (happened to me the first time). If memory serves me right, take EXIT 3 at Hauy Kwang. Emmanualle is just 100 meters walk to your right. You can't miss as it is a huge building with its own billboard at its entrance. Nataree is next door. If you continue for another 450 meters or so down the street - take another right- you will get to Lord spa. Walk further down the street, you will find Colonze II.

Across the big and heavily traveled avenue from Emanualle, there is another luxurious establishment. Is it Ceasars?

Although the MRT is easy to use (announcements and signs are in english & Thai), it gets too crowded during rush hour (3 pm to 9 pm?) . I had to wait on a number occasions for another train in order to get onboard after the first one came. Be ready to shove and push for ingress and egress.

[QUOTE=Tiradentes;1691511]They are only easy to find IF you take the right exit from MRT. If not, then you will be going in the opposite direction and not even realizing (happened to me the first time). If memory serves me right, take EXIT 3 at Hauy Kwang. Emmanualle is just 100 meters walk to your right. You can't miss as it is a huge building with its own billboard at its entrance. Nataree is next door. If you continue for another 450 meters or so down the street - take another right- you will get to Lord spa. Walk further down the street, you will find Colonze II.

Across the big and heavily traveled avenue from Emanualle, there is another luxurious establishment. Is it Ceasars?

Although the MRT is easy to use (announcements and signs are in english & Thai), it gets too crowded during rush hour (3 pm to 9 pm?) . I had to wait on a number occasions for another train in order to get onboard after the first one came. Be ready to shove and push for ingress and egress.[/QUOTE]Use the exit marked "Emerald Hotel". As you emerge Nataree and the others will be to your right and Ceasars across the street to your left. The right hand side of the street is obviously the best place to shop. I would visit Ceasars only if there were absolutely nothing available in the other shops, but that won't be the case.

[QUOTE=Uwillu;1691390]You just don't get it. Cheap Charlie, Karma, Fortunate, Treat others well.

If you are so fortunate, go to the erotic review in whatever city you are in. I can promise you they will have Thai women for you. Show them you aren't a Cheap Charlie, you have Karma, you are Fortunate, and you treat others well.

We don't need you driving up the prices in Thailand because you are fortunate, because most of us are not.[/QUOTE]So you feel that giving a woman 300 is a lot for 90 minutes of pleasure? But if you go to a club a beer and a LD is 300. And you say I am driving up the prices? Then you must pay a BF and negotiate with the WG for how much she wants? Dude, where is your report that shows lower prices for the same service?

Respectfully.

RL.

[QUOTE=Tiradentes;1691511]Although the MRT is easy to use (announcements and signs are in english & Thai), it gets too crowded during rush hour (3 pm to 9 pm?) . I had to wait on a number occasions for another train in order to get onboard after the first one came. Be ready to shove and push for ingress and egress.[/QUOTE]Also a great time for pickpockets, keep your valuables safe until you exit.

[QUOTE=RalphKramden;1691527]Use the exit marked "Emerald Hotel". As you emerge Nataree and the others will be to your right and Ceasars across the street to your left. The right hand side of the street is obviously the best place to shop. I would visit Ceasars only if there were absolutely nothing available in the other shops, but that won't be the case.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the directions.

Are these all soapy massage places?

[QUOTE=Uwillu;1691390]We don't need you driving up the prices in Thailand because you are fortunate, because most of us are not.[/QUOTE]Please, as if one man giving a tip for good services is going to ruin the market.

Besides, since tips come [B]after[/B] the service is provided, they cannot drive up the price of the service itself. If anything, they may even keep the price of the service lower as (perhaps) the girls start to expect a tip and thus lure you in by agreeing a lower basic price (and getting a fat tip).

[QUOTE=Tiradentes;1691511]T
Although the MRT is easy to use (announcements and signs are in english & Thai), it gets too crowded during rush hour (3 pm to 9 pm?) . I had to wait on a number occasions for another train in order to get onboard after the first one came. Be ready to shove and push for ingress and egress.[/QUOTE]Pushing and shoving? Did you ever take a Paris metro? That is pushing and shoving!

I spent a short week in Bangkok, staying at the Sofitel Sukhumvit (see report in Bangkok hotels tread).

I found Nana Plaza and the surrounding areas good, but not fantastic. Mostly availed myself of the freelancer there. Found three deaf girls and went with one of them. I was hoping for an soft, somehow different experience. She behaved sweetly, but it was a little hurried.

Had a look at Annie's massage near Nana Plaza, and found the talent surprisingly bad. I probably arrived too late, but still I was shocked.

I had some nice experiences with SWs from along Sukhumvit. Price range 1000-2000 baht, so cheaper than other options. During some period of the night loads of miniature bars pop up along Sukhumvit, basically a hand trolley with some booze standing on it. Very many of them have attractive girls sitting at them trying to lure you to sit down. This is a (mild) trick to get you to buy a drink in the hope of getting the girl to go with you, but normally she won't. The proper street walkers are usually not sitting at a bar, but standing or sitting on the curb or something like that.

I found Patpong not that great. Parts of it are heavily dominated by ladyboys and / or gays (bless them for stepping aside and improving the female-male supply-demand balance in our favour, but it is not what I am looking for). But there are a few go go bars with very attractive girls there.

Soi Cowboy has a lot of action in little space. I particularly enjoyed one bar. I think it may be called Crazy House or something like that. It is outside the actual Soi Cowboy alley. To get there you have to walk to the bottom of the alley and take a right and walk about 20 feet. There are a lot of girls on stage there, most of them all nude. I am not that interested in strip shows. But this is different. There are also a lot of customers. The girls are rowdy and provocative and there is a lot of interaction with customers. The result is a continuous wild party atmosphere. You may think it is a rip off, but it is worth buying 2-3 lady drinks just for the hell of it, at least when I girl gives you the eye, a little show or approaches you. The girls appreciate it, and it is nice to have a totally naked lady rubbing up against oneself. Once you buy one or two girls a drink, the others will notice it and start to give you positive attention too.

I actually found the Bangkok girls quite loving and am not sure sure of the conventional wisdom that Thais are more professional and Pinoys more loving. Now I think more of Pinoys as scheming / demanding and Thais as honest / loving. I had two girls stay overnight with me, something I usually don't go for, but they were just such cuddly kittens.

Bangkok is not a particularly cheap mongering destination. If you stick strictly to street walkers it can be cheap, but selection (that I saw) will be limited. There are many attractive girls in the go go bars, but you end up paying 2500-4500 baht (lady drink + bar fine + girl's fee + short time hotel + tip), especially if you want to save time and go for a short time room so that you can come back quickly and do more girls.

I found that some of the girls would have one or two kids and still almost no impact on their bodies or pussies. In the end I stopped speculating about whether they had had kids or not.

In my limited experience, when Thai girls enjoy DATY, they arch their backs and raise their hips into the air.

Thai food is spectacular.

I used condoms strictly for all penetrative sex, but did go for BBBJs. Somehow I managed to contract something, probably chlamydia (I though gonorrhoea, but doc says it would hurt more). So now I have white puss dripping from my dick, waiting for test results and taking antibiotics. I always operate this way, am an experienced monger and have never had trouble like this before. I encourage others to also report similar problems so that we can all have an objective picture of risks and problems. I am still not going to stop mongering.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1691713]Please, as if one man giving a tip for good services is going to ruin the market.

Besides, since tips come [B]after[/B] the service is provided, they cannot drive up the price of the service itself. If anything, they may even keep the price of the service lower as (perhaps) the girls start to expect a tip and thus lure you in by agreeing a lower basic price (and getting a fat tip).[/QUOTE]That's Western logic. Thais don't think that way. Once a Thai gal gets more money, be it in a tip or whatever, all of the sudden that is what she believes she is worth and if she does not get a "tip" then it is a loss of face.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1691663]So you feel that giving a woman 300 is a lot for 90 minutes of pleasure? But if you go to a club a beer and a LD is 300. And you say I am driving up the prices? Then you must pay a BF and negotiate with the WG for how much she wants? Dude, where is your report that shows lower prices for the same service?

Respectfully.

RL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1691713]Please, as if one man giving a tip for good services is going to ruin the market.

Besides, since tips come [B]after[/B] the service is provided, they cannot drive up the price of the service itself. If anything, they may even keep the price of the service lower as (perhaps) the girls start to expect a tip and thus lure you in by agreeing a lower basic price (and getting a fat tip).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1691808]That's Western logic. Thais don't think that way. Once a Thai gal gets more money, be it in a tip or whatever, all of the sudden that is what she believes she is worth and if she does not get a "tip" then it is a loss of face.[/QUOTE]This has nothing to do with the OP's 300 B tip. I wasn't there. It may have been worth every sateng. But the ensuing debate brings up some interesting philosophical questions.

The biggest single annoying thing that my fellow Americans, and I have been as guilty as the rest, is this annoying habit of tipping everybody within earshot. As I said before, tipping is like some sort of economic Ebola. It infects everything it touches and, in this case, can't be cured.

You can always tell a country where lots of Yanks visit. Everybody in the area has their hands out constantly. Tip the waiter. Tip the busboy. Tip the doorman. Tip the bathroom fairy, err, attendant. Tip the cabbie. Tip the masseuse. This is learned behavior, because this practice simply does not exist in most countries. Guess who taught them? Instead of resulting in better service, the locals too often simply see it as "free money. " These guys are so rich they throw around money for nothing. I'm going to get me some!

Generally speaking, Thais don't tip much, and few expect to be tipped. If a price for a cab is negotiated, that's what is paid. If using the meter, they'll often round up to the nearest 10 baht, or so. However, I have seen them count things to the exact baht. In restaurants without a service fee the tip usually amounts to a few baht. Pricier establishments usually get larger tips, but 15% - 20%, as in the States? No way. If you have lunch and drinks at some ultra-local mom and pop joint, and are presented with a bill that is unbelievably cheap, the Yank's first instinct is to tip well. And it's often perceived as an insult. You've just told the guy he's too f*cking stupid to price his wares properly and he didn't charge you enough. And this is the exact same lesson many of the service providers take away from this. I'm not charging enough. For a chuckle, imagine a Thai girl demanding a X00 Baht tip from a Thai man. (Before anybody flames me, I understand that massage may be a grey area, because sometimes the masseuse gets nothing from the house and must rely on a "tip" but that's really not the point of my ramblings, nor is it a "tip" in the true sense of the word).

It's not that tipping doesn't exist in places like Thailand, or Mexico, just to name a couple. (The two societies are strikingly similar in many aspects). It's that it tends to be more rare and far more culturally nuanced than in the States. There are no hard and fast rules, and much seems to be based upon the recipient's social status. A 2-week millionaire is never going to learn the ropes. So, IMHO, it's better to tip sparingly, or not at all, than it is to throw tips at all and sundry. It kinda reminds me of the tourists who run around and wai everybody in sight. I guess they mean well, but it indicates they are too lazy to try to learn a bit about the prevailing culture.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1691830]If you have lunch and drinks at some ultra-local mom and pop joint, and are presented with a bill that is unbelievably cheap, the Yank's first instinct is to tip well. And it's often perceived as an insult. You've just told the guy he's too f*cking stupid to price his wares properly and he didn't charge you enough.[/QUOTE]Do you have specific evidence that a high tip in a mom-and-pop restaurant is often seen as an insult in Thailand? Or is this just your speculation? I'm not really sure which, but am curious.

[QUOTE=Yujin;1691313]Cost of condoms in Bangkok:

[URL]http://www.bangkokcomplementaryhealth.com/Condom-Packs.html[/URL]

Like in the USA, cost might be slightly cheaper or slightly more expensive at 7-11 or pharmacies; but the difference shouldn't be too significant.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your response.

[QUOTE=Llantarnam;1691704]Thanks for the directions.

Are these all soapy massage places?[/QUOTE]There are 3 seperate threads for the massage parlors. Check them out for all your questions.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;1691762]
I actually found the Bangkok girls quite loving and am not sure sure of the conventional wisdom that Thais are more professional and Pinoys more loving. Now I think more of Pinoys as scheming / demanding and Thais as honest / loving. I had two girls stay overnight with me, something I usually don't go for, but they were just such cuddly kittens.[/QUOTE]I think it's safe to say that Thai girls are more professional and Pinays more loving, IN GENERAL. Of course there are very loving Thais and very professional Pinays as well. I guess you were just lucky to pick only loving Thais. If you go there more often you will come across the hardened pro's every now and then. And the starfishes.

By the way: Pinoys are the male variant and Pinays the female variant.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1691808]That's Western logic. Thais don't think that way. Once a Thai gal gets more money, be it in a tip or whatever, all of the sudden that is what she believes she is worth and if she does not get a "tip" then it is a loss of face.[/QUOTE]Maybe, but only Thai can properly understand Thai logic, yet I still don't think tipping will increase the basic price.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1691847]Do you have specific evidence that a high tip in a mom-and-pop restaurant is often seen as an insult in Thailand? Or is this just your speculation? I'm not really sure which, but am curious.[/QUOTE]It sounds logical, but it is just not happening. Those high-tipping Americans hardly if ever make it to the non-touristy mom&pop restaurant somewhere in a small village.

And "simple" restaurants in touristy areas know by now how to gracefully accept a tip.

I travel through Thailand with my Thai GF and the most I have seen her tipping is perhaps 20 baht on top of the small change.

Pushing and shoving? Did you ever take a Paris metro? That is pushing and shoving!

The Paris Metro is tame compared to the Beijing Metro or even walking on the sidewalk in Beijing. People or bicyclists will head straight at you and act surprised or pissed that you did not get out if "their" space. Also, try getting in line to buy a metro ticket in Beijing sometime.

I am in BKK for a few days, one of which where I need to work for 4-5 hrs or so during the day. Rather than stay in my hotel room, I would like a spa or high end massage place. I am thinking a bit along the lines of Macau or some places in KL. So where were I can be left alone or get a massage and / whatever.

Suggestions gratefully received.

TL.

I visited Som's haven three times in my recent trip.

It's my custom to just accept the first in the queue. I find this better than basically telling everyone I did not select that I did not take them because they weighed more than I do and had pus-oozing sores on their lips. The drawback is that, at least in my case, often the first in the queue weighs more than I do and has pus-oozing sores on her lips. Something went wrong this time and I ended up with Amy (sp?) A reasonably cute and, as far as I could tell, pus-free provider. She did appear to have a tourist map of Angkor what tattooed on her upper back, but I assume this was a requirement for a previous long term bar fine as the punter was heading there and this seemed like an excellent way to study the layout while otherwise engaged.

Up we went to the room. After a good scrubbing at the sink we took our positions on and in front of the couch. As I was getting the second washing with the moist towelettes I noted that the room had a Star Wars theme to it, a mural across from me depicting Princess Leia kneeling in front of Jabba the Hutt. The odd thing was that Princess Leia had what appeared to be a mirror image of a tourist map of Angkor what tattooed upon her upper back. Hey, wait a minute.

Okay, that mirror crap may work well for some punters, but do I really need to stare at myself in all my horror while I'm trying to focus on things in hand or mouth? At least get one of those convex or concave I cannot remember which (takes time out to try to bend the hotel mirror, comes back with seven years of bad luck) ones that make you look skinny. Maybe put a magnifier on it so that certain areas are enlarged. I'm looking for the "Death Camp Survivor With Donkey Penis Grafted On" look.

The room had three times as many mirrors as my entire house has.

But this isn't really as bad as it could be as I generally keep my eyes closed during these activities, either in sheer bliss or just to avoid looking at those pus oozing sores or whatever. So I settled back and tried to forget that Jabba was staring at me.

Amy's technique was remarkably good, with one glitch. First the good. She started out with a lot of attention to the low hanging fruit. So much so that I felt vaguely guilty and vowed to investigate ball shaving. Then I thought of my poor, hairless, frozen balls as I took a leak outside back home at sub zero temperatures, plus figured it was payback for my early days when DATY was somewhat like an Amazon Jungle expedition, hacking through the thick Bush in search of the source, finding treasures like a previous explorer's dental bridge along the way. Ah, yes, That '70's Show!

But back to the glitch. There were a LOT of tissue sounds, like she was emptying out tissue cartons as a side job. Things would be going exceptionally well, then there would be a pause as she would draw another ten percent of a rain forest from the box, shake out the dental bridges, and wipe my privates. I would have looked to see what the hell was going on, but I knew Jabba was still there and if I thought tissue sounds were distracting, Jabba would lead to a catastrophic collapse of the tower that Amy was working so hard on. Weirdly, when the act was finished we were not ass-deep in tissues, so I'm a little confused.

Amy's technique is one of the more gentle ones I've experienced. Very little hard squeezing either with mouth or hand. Kind of a nice change, certainly from when I am practicing and even with most other providers. Eventually a happy conclusion was reached, though largely through hand-and-oil therapy, but that is par for my course even when not solo. I tend to be a difficult customer.

On a final note of weirdness, on the way out she did the cashiering as the desk was unstaffed. I've always had the mamasan take care of that. Maybe she was doing double duty?

On the next visit Amy did not appear to be there, so again luck of the draw, and ANOTHER score! I actually looked around a bit, trying to recognize the top of Amy's head, and found the scoring odds were pretty good: One of the better looking BJ bar lineups I've seen. Next in queue was Nok, so up we went. I was relieved that in our pleasure den I would be looking not at Jabba, but instead at a very tasteful sink and shower.

Tasteful, yes. Functional, no. There was a hand-scrawled note in the sink that apparently said, "No water", or, "Drain plugged by cum-filled condom", or, "We want to see the fat guy run naked down the hall. ".

I'm guessing the last, because they got their wish. I was hustled out the door and down to the next room, where, of course, Jabba the Hutt was waiting. Crap! I can't get away from this guy! There followed a vigorous scrubbing and buffing of the dirty parts, followed by a panicky, balls-a-flapping dash back to our room when footsteps approached the door to the hallway.

Nok was different in style from Amy, more the conventional, firmer, persistent head bobber after some very good initial work on the barely settled back down balls. Essentially, I got a third ball bath, this time cat-style. There were no rain forests felled this time, maybe because SOMEONE had run them out of tissues or something. I would definitely repeat with either of the young ladies if I could just recognize the tops of their heads in the lineup.

And then it had to happen: The first failure to launch of the trip. My luck ran out with a vengeance. The First in Queue was a rotund thing. I came very close to turning her down. We both would have been a lot happier forty minutes later. Predictably, I got Jabba the Hutt's room again. This time, though, instead of Princess Leia between his legs (assuming he has legs. In this case he did), there was perhaps his sister, or being charitable, a first cousin or something. And Sis / Cousin seemed pretty eager for the act to be done, getting quite vocal, "You come now! About it rather early. The technique started out well, but it degenerated pretty quickly into the classic suck-tug-suck. As an aside, do most guys like having very sharp nails dragged across their sensitive parts? Nipples pinched almost to bleeding? It didn't really do it for me. Also, what sort of an a*hole whistles while he's getting a blow job?

I think the quintessential moment was when we ran out of oil and she had to go somewhere in another province to get more. It was a l-o-and-g, ultimately fruitless session.

Final note: Yes, I know it is not Angkor WHAT. I can't get it to spell correctly.

Yes, the MRT and BTS get crowded. So does the Paris Metro. I am vaguely haphephobic (dislike of being touched) but I cope with it by looking for a brighter side. On the way home from Dr. BJ's I was treated to a delightfully busty and conveniently short little thing standing at my ten o'clock position on the Skytrain. It was a packed car. My back was against the door and a farang in a suit was pressed in front of me, prison sex style. I am really glad that, being an old dude, I had not yet recharged from EE's draining, or it could have been very awkward. Instead I could stare down on the beautiful valley and the bronze hills with no fear of learning what a whole different form of A+ was like. Little Miss Cleavage was way too interested in her phone to look around behind her, so I was safe, and, as a bonus, determined that she had some really hot girlfriends. More reasons to be thankful for the quality work of half an hour earlier.

The poor guy in the suit, however, while also quite aware of the scenic view, had to look hard to his left, even a little behind him, to get a good ogle. A lot like sitting in an aisle seat in a tour bus: You know the view is there, but to see it you would have to be rude. A lot like that, but with the added possibility of unwanted surprise sex from behind. He still tried, and got caught. Twice. I would love to have been able to read what she was texting her hot friend: "OMG there is a perv totally staring down my shirt! A gross, sweaty farang! I would pull my dick out and wave it at him, but the guy in front is in a suit and kind of cute!

I think I just ruined one of my fondest memories by writing that.

I paid three visits to the. BJ's. There were several decent lookers in the mob that followed me in the door the first time, but I had a mission: I was looking for the legendary Consultant EE. The reviews here speak glowingly of her but warned of a very bad boob job. The idea of being trapped in literally a cage with mutant boobs was daunting. I have a high Boob Standard as a result of some good upbringing. When I was just a wee lad of maybe eight I bought some of those tiny binoculars-on-a-keychain that had delightful pictures in them. Kudos to my parents for not asking for a detailed accounting of my allowance money. The featured young lady was definitely not a local girl. This was easy to determine because she was blonde and the locals were either Arabs or blacks. Yes, eight year olds could buy porn in Sudan, but try selling that stuff to them in one of those modern, progressive, western countries and you'll find surprise morning sex isn't half as enjoyable when you're incarcerated. Score one for Islam.

The mysterious blonde woman was a fortuitous find for my first post-nursing tit sighting. It was a near thing, though: Just months later we went on a trip though East Africa and I observed many more bare breasts, but I knew by then that things that looked like bowling pins, almost dragging nipples when the noble Masai women bent over, were not the gold standard for bosoms, regardless of how convenient it was to be able to toss one over a shoulder for the baby on the back to suckle.

Twenty years later I saw the picture of the comely blonde lass again, in a back issue of a popular men's magazine: The Sweetheart of the Month, Marilyn Monroe, in the iconic shot with the red background.

A non-topless EE is really a sight to see. Easily in the top ten of BJ providers I've had. While a BJ is itself supposed to be foreplay, I found foreplay to foreplay: Following her up the stairs. With her high heels, the steep stairs, and my average height I found myself staring right up a microskirt at the most amazing intergluteal cleft, more technically referred to as butt-crack, with the sacred orifice hidden by a glorified shoestring. Sadly, the hallowed ground is supposedly off limits, but one can fantasize. Or maybe even ask next time.

The performance was good. Nothing really wrong, but no standout technique either. Some good attention to the sack, but also some hokey moaning. Really? You're getting off on stroking a cock? I do it all the time and don't moan. Well, not much. Okay, at least I'm rarely heard next door.

For the next two visits I took the plunge for the VIP Service in the VIP Room. The website listed a 1000 baht surcharge for VIP Service. I thought that meant the VIP room. No, it means a one hour FS cage match in the regular cages. Frankly I'm far from sure I could manage satisfactory FS in the cage: Does the chair recline all the way? Bend-her-over-the-sink doggie would be an option, but I figure I'd last twenty minutes before either slipping in my own sweat and breaking my neck or having a fatal heart attack.

Another 1000 gets you twice as long in the VIP room. So 3 K for two hours. Not by any means a bargain, but a lot depends on the company you take up there. Besides, I would die in much nicer surroundings, and knowing that the bastards were going to have a hell of a time getting my fat ass down those fifty or sixty flights of stairs (my estimate) that I had to climb to get there. Okay, in all truth they would likely just lob me out the window, but hopefully that idea would escape me as I drew my dying breath. With any luck I'd hit one of those pricks walking at a snail's pace while glued to their phone.

Miss EE was as lovely as ever, but I knew the twins (or maybe not twins. That could be the problem) were to be released. They were. I peeked. I did not turn to stone. They are not nearly as bad as I had feared. With a nipple in your mouth they feel and look fine. The next day I managed to uncross my eyes.

As mentioned in earlier posts, the VIP room is actually a studio apartment. Lots of room. A nice touch is the towels all wrapped in plastic, implying that no one had actually wiped their ass with them since they were washed. My towels at the Hilton have never been wrapped like that. I'll never trust that chain again. The bed is big I think a king, begging for multiple occupancy. Most importantly, there is good air conditioning which was a damned good thing after those eighty flights of stairs (my new estimate). A defibrillator would have been spiffy, as well.

After the shower and a brief discussion of rodents (no not in the room) (well, yes, the discussion was in the room, but not the subject rodents) (as far as I know), we were off to explore the bed's acreage. Things started out well with the eponymous BJ, then got ugly with the brandishing of the condom. This is getting old. So am I. Probably time for medications. But EE was not deterred and displayed an amazing repertoire of positions, culminating with the old standby, 69. Happy endings came to both players, though that mattress is probably still drying from the sweat. I suggest another week before following my footsteps.

The price and the stairs were pretty steep, but not outlandish. The two hours would be overkill (probably literally) for me if it were not for EE's good English. Quite a pleasure to talk to between gasps.

My last visit, the night before I left for AC, featured the same solid service and a lot of talking. There was one of those awkward, ". And I choke on my reply. I'd rather hurt you honestly than mislead you with a lie. " moments when she wondered why she didn't have a boyfriend.

Nah! Just kidding! I don't have a sentimental bone in my body. I deftly dodged the query with double talk, avoiding mentioning things like her career choice. I pointed out that I've had one girlfriend: it lasted six weeks and it took several years to get rid of her. Hopefully she won't think into this too much. On the surface it sounds fine, but then she's sitting there looking at this porky, sweat dripping loser and thinking maybe that is not really a path she wants to follow.

It was the only time I've ever wished for a non-English speaking provider. I don't think she was exploring the sponsor possibility as I would have thought that my probably ill-advised answer that divulged my availability would have been pounced on, "Oh, you don't have a girlfriend? I have an idea. ".

Over all, highly recommended. Yes, you could have skipped all this BS and just read the last line.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1691847]Do you have specific evidence that a high tip in a mom-and-pop restaurant is often seen as an insult in Thailand? Or is this just your speculation? I'm not really sure which, but am curious.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1691935]It sounds logical, but it is just not happening. Those high-tipping Americans hardly if ever make it to the non-touristy mom&pop restaurant somewhere in a small village.

And "simple" restaurants in touristy areas know by now how to gracefully accept a tip.

I travel through Thailand with my Thai GF and the most I have seen her tipping is perhaps 20 baht on top of the small change.[/QUOTE]Well, I don't have Arlo Guthrie's 8 x 10 glossies. But I do have a fair amount of anecdotal evidence, and a bit of logic.

I've caught myself doing it, I. E. Looking at the low price, figuring the money was nothing to me but a lot to this poor restaurateur, and began to leave a generous tip. In one case I was with a friend (non-bg, upper-middle-class, plenty of her own money) who, to blatantly steal a phrase from one of my favorite movies, looked at me as if I had lobsters coming out of my ears. She, in no uncertain terms, made me take the tip back and leave a few coins. In other instances I watched the other locals, who tipped nothing or very tiny amounts.

So, let's say you're upcountry, for instance, and presented with your bill at the mom-and-pop som tam joint. In a culture where tipping isn't done. Logic would indicate that forking over substantially more than the restaurant's price can easily be construed as the high-and-mighty white man tossing money to the poor, benighted brown man. We see it differently, they very likely don't.

Now, to address the cultural nuances of the above paragraph, imagine that you are, instead of a farang tourist, a rich and famous Thai pop star, or a member of the royal family. You would probably tip very large, and it would probably be gratefully accepted. Because that's the way royalty works in this not-too-far-removed-from-feudal society. The king bestows gifts on his subjects because that's what a king (or rich boss, or whatever) does. However, you, as the rich farang, are not part of the cultural "food chain. ".

Mr. Wolf is correct; the average farang tourist isn't going to make it past Pattaya, so probably won't be patronizing any seriously local joints. I, too, watch my Thai GF when we go to local places upcountry. And, yes, the tips range from 0 baht to perhaps 20 baht.

I guess my overall gripe is that tipping is such an ingrained part of the American psyche, and it's such a hard habit to break. And Americans have been criticized, with good reason, for throwing around money like it's going out of style. I think the Chinese may have taken over that dubious honor these days. It reminds me of an anecdote from Pappy Boyington's autobiography. He was in Burma, IIRC, and had an extremely filthy and muddy pair of flight boots. He had a young gofer who ran errands, cleaned the tents, etc. , and he asked him to clean his boots. He spent all day cleaning them and apparently did a good job. He gave the kid $1. (It was nothing to him, and meant a lot to the kid). Later the boy's father showed up very angry. He assumed that the kid's father was angry because he hadn't paid enough. Turns out that he was angry because Mr. Be had paid far too much, more than the father could earn in a (week / month I don't remember), and the father could no longer discipline his boy because the boy had lost much respect for the father. His (and my) point is that tossing around the almighty dollar doesn't always make everybody happy.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1691935]It sounds logical, but it is just not happening. Those high-tipping Americans hardly if ever make it to the non-touristy mom&pop restaurant somewhere in a small village.

And "simple" restaurants in touristy areas know by now how to gracefully accept a tip.

I travel through Thailand with my Thai GF and the most I have seen her tipping is perhaps 20 baht on top of the small change.[/QUOTE]Indonesia has a "service charge" on checks, they also have a tax, usually 21% for both. But there is a dividing line where most "local style eating joints" don't charge the 2 taxes. I also doubt that the employees get the service charge either.

I have noticed that in all Hotels, the bellboys that bring your bags to the room, wait for a tip. Some Taxi guys do and some don't. Every lady I entertained asked for a tip so I assume that a gratuity is expected.

RL.

Oosik -.

I am really enjoying your prose. It's been a while since I've seen such creative writing here. Please keep those reports coming.

[QUOTE=Oosik;1692114]I paid three visits to the. BJ's.....[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1692141]Indonesia ( . . . )

I have noticed that in all Hotels, the bellboys that bring your bags to the room, wait for a tip. Some Taxi guys do and some don't. Every lady I entertained asked for a tip so I assume that a gratuity is expected.

RL.[/QUOTE]I assume that you are talking about hotel bellhops and taxis and ladies in Indonesia because none of them have done that to me in Thailand.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1692141]Indonesia has a "service charge" on checks, they also have a tax, usually 21% for both. But there is a dividing line where most "local style eating joints" don't charge the 2 taxes. I also doubt that the employees get the service charge either.

I have noticed that in all Hotels, the bellboys that bring your bags to the room, wait for a tip. Some Taxi guys do and some don't. Every lady I entertained asked for a tip so I assume that a gratuity is expected.

RL.[/QUOTE]Thailand has a VAT, which should be included in the price of the food / service. Sometimes it's not. The higher-end places often add a service charge. I, too, suspect the wait staff may not get the service charges, but have no way to prove it. But, these days, with help in such short supply, it's probably not in the owner's best interest to screw the wait staff too badly. My biggest single objection to a service charge is that it tends to be pooled among the staff. Standout service and indifferent service are rewarded equally. Much like socialism in general, it breeds mediocrity. But that's far off topic.

If you're talking about Thai bellhops, ladies, etc. , I've never seen that activity outside of farang-centric areas. I have never had a Thai taxi driver ask for a tip, at least not a "regular" one I've picked up on the street. I'll admit that one of my failings is overtipping taxis. If I had to sit for hours, struggling with BKK traffic, I'd be on the front page of the BKK Post, branded as the Farang Axe Murder. So, on trips from / to the airport, long trips, etc. , I will tip more than normal, but I don't think it's ever been more than 100 baht.

With the ladies, the only time I can recall a tip being discussed was with rather "experienced" bar girls who obviously learned it from another farang. But that was a very rare occurrence. The price agreed upon is the price paid. A large gratuity is definitely not expected, nor is it the norm. Exceptions exist for massages, as the house-to-girl payment structure is highly variable. (To illustrate, in Mexico the club girls deal with LOTS of Americans. Almost every girl will ask for a tip above and beyond the negotiated price. Why? Americans tip.).

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1692139]Well, I don't have Arlo Guthrie's 8 x 10 glossies. But I do have a fair amount of anecdotal evidence, and a bit of logic.

I've caught myself doing it, I. E. Looking at the low price, figuring the money was nothing to me but a lot to this poor restaurateur, and began to leave a generous tip. In one case I was with a friend (non-bg, upper-middle-class, plenty of her own money) who, to blatantly steal a phrase from one of my favorite movies, looked at me as if I had lobsters coming out of my ears. She, in no uncertain terms, made me take the tip back and leave a few coins. In other instances I watched the other locals, who tipped nothing or very tiny amounts.

So, let's say you're upcountry, for instance, and presented with your bill at the mom-and-pop som tam joint. In a culture where tipping isn't done. Logic would indicate that forking over substantially more than the restaurant's price can easily be construed as the high-and-mighty white man tossing money to the poor, benighted brown man. We see it differently, they very likely don't.

Now, to address the cultural nuances of the above paragraph, imagine that you are, instead of a farang tourist, a rich and famous Thai pop star, or a member of the royal family. You would probably tip very large, and it would probably be gratefully accepted. Because that's the way royalty works in this not-too-far-removed-from-feudal society. The king bestows gifts on his subjects because that's what a king (or rich boss, or whatever) does. However, you, as the rich farang, are not part of the cultural "food chain. ".

Mr. Wolf is correct; the average farang tourist isn't going to make it past Pattaya, so probably won't be patronizing any seriously local joints. I, too, watch my Thai GF when we go to local places upcountry. And, yes, the tips range from 0 baht to perhaps 20 baht.

I guess my overall gripe is that tipping is such an ingrained part of the American psyche, and it's such a hard habit to break. And Americans have been criticized, with good reason, for throwing around money like it's going out of style. I think the Chinese may have taken over that dubious honor these days. It reminds me of an anecdote from Pappy Boyington's autobiography. He was in Burma, IIRC, and had an extremely filthy and muddy pair of flight boots. He had a young gofer who ran errands, cleaned the tents, etc. , and he asked him to clean his boots. He spent all day cleaning them and apparently did a good job. He gave the kid $1. (It was nothing to him, and meant a lot to the kid). Later the boy's father showed up very angry. He assumed that the kid's father was angry because he hadn't paid enough. Turns out that he was angry because Mr. Be had paid far too much, more than the father could earn in a (week / month I don't remember), and the father could no longer discipline his boy because the boy had lost much respect for the father. His (and my) point is that tossing around the almighty dollar doesn't always make everybody happy.[/QUOTE]Based on your response, it appears the answer to my question--"Do you have specific evidence that a high tip in a mom-and-pop restaurant is often seen as an insult in Thailand? Or is this just your speculation?"--is it is just your speculation without any specific evidence. Of course, any of us with extensive experience in Thailand knows that tipping practices are different there than in the United States and that Thai tipping is as a rule less generous, but that is a different issue from whether over tipping can be seen as an insult in certain Thai locales.

Last week I visited Thailand, started my trip from Chennai and landed first in Bangkok.

Very early morning I reached airport, Visa process took another 2 hours.

Then reached my hotel by taxi. Took 300 be. I had booked Alt Nana Hotel near to NEP.

It was 7 AM and had 5 hours at least for check-in.

Put the luggage in Hotel, had breakfast outside and went to some place to roam around the city.

Came back at 2, tired and needed some action.

Walked down the street of NEP and saw a cute lady outside the massage parlour. Naree Massage was the name.

Talked to lady before entering, 500 in counter for oil massage and 1500 inside for everything.

Went inside with her, first floor by stair.

Room. Clean and big room, shower at one corner. Another end had big bed. Interiors were full of sea shells and stones. Sunlight coming from window. A bright room.

She asked me to remove clothes and take shower while she went to fetch something.

She came back and joined me in shower, started blow job. That makes johny very hard and we came to bed.

Here I had a complete look at her body, clean and fair body, long hair, slim figure, clean shoved pussy, big legs, medium size boobs and small ass.

Wow!

I started licking and kissing over the body.

Blow job again started with full flow. Toothless, soft and warm. After some time came out. An awesome experience.

Massage started with chit chat. She started licking the whole body and playing my balls.

Had action in missionary, doggy and back side.

Came out in another 15 Minutes.

Again massage started but she stopped and laid beside me kissing and talking for another 15-20 minutes while playing with my johny.

I wanted to stay there for more time but 5 thought of leaving the place as I was tired.

But overall a nice GFE.

We hugged, kissed and said goodbye.

Will keep posting the other days experience.

I already explained the following in (much) earlier posts, but it seems that a reminder is necessary. In Thailand, you don't get respect from locals if you over pay (or over tip).

When you pay the right price (that's about the same price than a local or maybe a little bit more in some occurrences because, as a foreigner, you are, on average, much trouble to deal with), local people will think that you are 'chalat' (ฉลาด), which means 'clever'.

If you over pay (or over tip), then, Thai people think that you are 'ngo' (โง่), which means 'stupid'.

If you are too stingy (for instance, when you haven't taken into account that you got more than a local for a certain service and still you insist to pay the same price or lower than what a Thai would pay), you are considered as khi-niaw (ขี้เหนียว) or 'cheap Charlie'.

Sometimes, you may also be called a 'cheap Charlie', even if you pay the right price, by certain greedy locals who were expecting to make a better benefit in a transaction with the supposedly stupid foreigner, but it's usually easy to understand that it's not really the case in this kind of situation as it's mostly said jokingly.

On the contrary, when you are called "jai dee" '(ใจดี), which means 'good heart' or 'generous', it's often because you over payed for a service or goods, and more often than not, you are actually considered as 'ngo' by most locals.

And remember that the monthly average income per person in Thailand amounts just a little bit over 13500 bahts (13,581.1 THB for the last quarter of 2014 - source: National Statistical Office of Thailand: [url=https://www.bot.or.th/English/Statistics/Standard/SDDS/Pages/sdds.aspx]https://www.bot.or.th/English/Statistics/Standard/SDDS/Pages/sdds.aspx[/url]).

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1692270]Based on your response, it appears the answer to my question--"Do you have specific evidence that a high tip in a mom-and-pop restaurant is often seen as an insult in Thailand? Or is this just your speculation?"--is it is just your speculation without any specific evidence. Of course, any of us with extensive experience in Thailand knows that tipping practices are different there than in the United States and that Thai tipping is as a rule less generous, but that is a different issue from whether over tipping can be seen as an insult in certain Thai locales.[/QUOTE]This is great information overall, but if we center on the P4 P industry then a different set of rules apply. I had a lady stop In the middle of the soapy and tell me that she expects a tip and that is all the money she makes as her share of the soapy was very small.

RL.

She may have said that, but its probably not true if she is working at a MP.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1692363]This is great information overall, but if we center on the P4 P industry then a different set of rules apply. I had a lady stop In the middle of the soapy and tell me that she expects a tip and that is all the money she makes as her share of the soapy was very small.

RL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1692270]Based on your response, it appears the answer to my question--"Do you have specific evidence that a high tip in a mom-and-pop restaurant is often seen as an insult in Thailand? Or is this just your speculation?"--is it is just your speculation without any specific evidence. Of course, any of us with extensive experience in Thailand knows that tipping practices are different there than in the United States and that Thai tipping is as a rule less generous, but that is a different issue from whether over tipping can be seen as an insult in certain Thai locales.[/QUOTE]What sort of "specific evidence" do you require?

I guess you didn't get the Arlo Guthrie reference, but there is no Thai version of Emily Post to which I can refer. I will point out that I have 15 years traveling around all of mainland SEA, talking to lots of people and keenly observing tipping practices, because it interests me. So, I have a reasonably educated opinion. But it is just an opinion, educated or not.

So, I called up the Thai GF (non-BG, middle class but from humble beginnings, degree, good I'm / ex job with very good salary). Sadly, she had no "specific evidence" either, just a very educated opinion. Seems she's spent the last 42 years living and working in Thailand. She gives the impression of having a reasonably good grasp of the Thai culture. She told me that each "bannok" restaurateur will be different, but overtipping could very well be interpreted as an insult. Her point, which I found interesting, was that it would be interpreted as some sort of "welfare" (my word). You're paying for something he didn't do. You've "cheapened" his efforts and made him look like a beggar. She then went on to illustrate by reminding me of a man we met at Amphawa last year. He was selling some very nice handmade baskets. He came up to us and offered his wares. We politely refused. He kept at it. She politely refused again, and then offered him some money (a "tip" as it were). He immediately refused and informed her that he was not a beggar. He worked for his living and was proud of it. We could buy a basket, or not buy a basket, but he would not accept handouts. (Ahh, if only more Americans were like him).

Now, I realize that the opinion of a life-long Thai may not rise to the level of "specific evidence. " But I have nothing else to offer but, as you call it, speculation. However, I'll stick with my speculation for now, until you can come up with some "specific evidence" to the contrary.

Meanwhile, here's an interesting article from the LA Times.

[URL]http://articles.latimes.com/2007/may/20/travel/tr-money20[/URL]

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1692363]This is great information overall, but if we center on the P4 P industry then a different set of rules apply. I had a lady stop In the middle of the soapy and tell me that she expects a tip and that is all the money she makes as her share of the soapy was very small.

RL.[/QUOTE]Agreed, as long as we're discussing massage. We've noted that the remuneration for a masseuse varies widely from venue to venue.

I had a similar experience a couple of years ago on Soi 22. I was waiting for GF and had a couple of hours. I wandered into one of the shops. The girls nabbed me and showed me the menu. At the top were the "regular" massages and down the page were the hanky-panky ones. I opted for a regular Thai massage, which was really what I wanted. She kept suggesting the others, but I insisted I was only interested in a Thai massage.

We got to the room, she looked unhappy. Then she got royally pissed off and started to cry. She told me that the boss (lady standing next to us downstairs) made her up-sell the massages, but since I didn't pick one she would get no money. In other words, no money for a regular massage. I offered her a nice tip, to compensate for the loss of income (I really only wanted a regular massage. Honest) She flatly refused. I was going to bail, but she proceeded to give a pretty decent massage. I tried to tip her again, when she finished, but, again, she flatly refused. I bailed and never looked back. Weirdest massage I ever had.

Your point is well taken. Always determine how the masseuse will be paid and "tip" accordingly. But this does not apply to bar girls.

Oosik you are killing me with these postings. I have never laughed so much reading mongering reports. Good job buddy.

[QUOTE=Oosik;1692114]I paid three visits to the. BJ's. There were several decent lookers in the mob that followed me in the door the first time, but I had a mission: I was looking for the legendary Consultant EE. The reviews here speak glowingly of her but warned of a very bad boob job. The idea of being trapped in literally a cage with mutant boobs was daunting. I have a high Boob Standard as a result of some good upbringing.

Yes, eight year olds could buy porn in Sudan, but try selling that stuff to them in one of those modern, progressive, western countries and you'll find surprise morning sex isn't half as enjoyable when you're incarcerated. Score one for Islam.

With her high heels, the steep stairs, and my average height I found myself staring right up a microskirt at the most amazing intergluteal cleft, more technically referred to as butt-crack, with the sacred orifice hidden by a glorified shoestring. Sadly, the hallowed ground is supposedly off limits, but one can fantasize. Or maybe even ask next time.

knowing that the bastards were going to have a hell of a time getting my fat ass down those fifty or sixty flights of stairs (my estimate) that I had to climb to get there. Okay, in all truth they would likely just lob me out the window, but hopefully that idea would escape me as I drew my dying breath. With any luck I'd hit one of those pricks walking at a snail's pace while glued to their phone.

The next day I managed to uncross my eyes.

My towels at the Hilton have never been wrapped like that. I'll never trust that chain again. The bed is big I think a king, begging for multiple occupancy. Most importantly, there is good air conditioning which was a damned good thing after those eighty flights of stairs (my new estimate). A defibrillator would have been spiffy, as well.

Over all, highly recommended. Yes, you could have skipped all this BS and just read the last line.[/QUOTE]I'm in tears after reading this. My sides hurt too. People outside my office are wondering if (this being appraisal season) this moron is chuckling at the raise he (isn't) going to give us.

[QUOTE=Oosik;1692114]I paid three visits to the. BJ's. [/QUOTE]Love your posts. Just wonderful! Thanks much for taking the time to write.

I'm blushing furiously now. Thanks all! Hopefully one more quickie in a week when I pass through on my way to Suvarnabhumi and the sadness that is home.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1692397]Your point is well taken. Always determine how the masseuse will be paid and "tip" accordingly. But this does not apply to bar girls.[/QUOTE]Wait a moment! Bargirls and massage girls are just the same as other Thais, unless they have been corrupted by that vile sin of tipping that the Americans want to spread around.

What many here call a tip is actually a fee for "extra" services. When a massage girl starts with a normal massage and up-sells it into a special massage, the money you give her is not a tip but a fee.

Of course, Americans see this all topsy-turvy: the tips they pay are actyually a private tax to pay for the services of the wait-staff since the majority of their employers are too cheap to pay these poor people even the minimum wage. So American tips are fees. You pay the restaurant for the food and the accomodation, you pay the "tip" for the waiter to bring the food to you. In most European countries, pirces are all inclusive of taxes and tips. And that is the only proper way.

A tip or gratuity is something neither asked nor expected, but given out of your good heart for service above and beyond the normal.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1692608]What many here call a tip is actually a fee for "extra" services. When a massage girl starts with a normal massage and up-sells it into a special massage, the money you give her is not a tip but a fee.[/QUOTE]Fully agree. Calling the mandatory service fee a "tip" is maddening.

No, the hot massage girl won't provide sex for 300 baht. Without the extra fee (the 1000 baht wrongly-called "tip" she will only do the half-arsed regular massage and be very unhappy about it. The fact that the fee isn't posted and is subject to bargaining only increases the hassle factor, it does not indicate that it's even theoretically optional (as a proper tip must be).

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1692653]Fully agree. Calling the mandatory service fee a "tip" is maddening.

No, the hot massage girl won't provide sex for 300 baht. Without the extra fee (the 1000 baht wrongly-called "tip" she will only do the half-arsed regular massage and be very unhappy about it. The fact that the fee isn't posted and is subject to bargaining only increases the hassle factor, it does not indicate that it's even theoretically optional (as a proper tip must be).[/QUOTE]I have been a customer at various PSE shops for almost a decade. I get great service, especially from my regulars and have never paid more than the required fee.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1692707]I have been a customer at various PSE shops for almost a decade. I get great service, especially from my regulars and have never paid more than the required fee.[/QUOTE]I have experienced the same thing, if I only pay the required amount they seem to show more respect. If I start tipping it all becomes a silly game.

[QUOTE=Milo12;1692714]I have experienced the same thing, if I only pay the required amount they seem to show more respect. If I start tipping it all becomes a silly game.[/QUOTE]Agreed! And then if you tip one girl one amount and another a different amount, they will talk and there will be hard feeling. Those places are fixed price for a reason. Because they are Asian style, originally catering to Japanese customers who do not tip, so it is an all inclusive price. Tipping there is akin to tipping the guy that fixes your washing machine. I really don't get why so many dudes treat the purchase of sexual services differently than the purchase of any other service. That is all it is, a service. Albeit a really nice one.
Which brings me to another point. Want good service? Then the experience needs to be nice for the provider as well. How can we aid in that? Simple. Keep yourself in shape. No one wants to sleep with a fat slob. Keep your body toned and stay slim. Be well groomed. Keep your pubes trimmed or shaved and if you like to be rimmed shave that keister hair. Would you want to lick a gals hairy dingleberry laden chocolate starfish? Shower before you go. Dress presentably. Ditch the cargo shorts, Red Bull T-Shirt, and flip flops. Learn to speak a bit of Thai. Joke with the gals in their own language. Suprisingly few oily girls speak good English. You want a GFE or a PSE, try you best to get the gal into it. Pay some attention to her. Munch that box. Most of all, treat her with respect as you would your GF, a woman you work with, etc. But never forget, this is her job.

Both, Baccaras, BKK and Pattaya allow Indians so that is good.

Hard for me to say this but Pattayas prostitute line-up blows away the BKK one. Why is like this?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1692729]I really don't get why so many dudes treat the purchase of sexual services differently than the purchase of any other service. That is all it is, a service. Albeit a really nice one.

Want good service? ...

But never forget, this is her job.[/QUOTE]Well put!

An excellent description of how a monger should prepare himself and act. It's really very simple. You expect the lady to be clean and present herself in a certain manner. Well so should you. Likewise, you expect to have fun. So make it fun for the lady too.

Duh!

Frankly, I do tend to tip good service. But not always. For example, BKKMick and I pay a flat amount when we hook up with a bunch of ladies for one of our orgies; but in addition to the fee for service we treat them to a fun night out with plenty of food, booze, music and fun.

I'm willing to bet given a choice between a client who is well groomed, in reasonable shape, does his part to make the session session, but leaves no tip, and an abusive slob who leaves a tip, most ladies would prefer the former over the latter.

I will be in Bangkok in a couple of weeks, with just one day / night in the city before a week in a remote location with little action according to the postings.

I will be at the Amari for the one night and then back for four nights before heading home and am looking for suggestions as to how to best take advantage of my first day.

Get my wet as they might say.

Any suggestions greatly appreciated.

I definitely don't want to leave Thailand without a Soapy and / or Nuru "Massage".

I went to a massage shop at the bottom of the walk over by Soi 8. I had a nice massage from a girl that was to my liking. After the massage was over she asked for my number as she said she liked me. About 2 hours later she calls and ask if I want to meet for a drink. So we meet at a bar on soi 11. Later that night we say goodbye and she asked if she could go with me. Long story short. We were in the room at about 11:30 pm and she went home at 10:00 am next day. No talk of money so I put some in her purse while she was taking a showeri the morning. When she seen the money she gave it back to me. She said she wasnted to come with me. I did not ask her to come with me. Nice fuck at night and a bbbjcof in the morning. Now she calls me many times a day. Such a crazy girl.

[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1692788]Well put! I'm willing to bet given a choice between a client who is well groomed, in reasonable shape, does his part to make the session session, but leaves no tip, and an abusive slob who leaves a tip, most ladies would prefer the former over the latter.[/QUOTE]Thanks. And I think your last sentence is quite true. Girls who would prefer a fat slob that tips are probably not the kind of gals we would want to be with either.

[QUOTE=HornDog3;1692842]I went to a massage shop at the bottom of the walk over by Soi 8. I had a nice massage from a girl that was to my liking. After the massage was over she asked for my number as she said she liked me. About 2 hours later she calls and ask if I want to meet for a drink. So we meet at a bar on soi 11. Later that night we say goodbye and she asked if she could go with me. Long story short. We were in the room at about 11:30 pm and she went home at 10:00 am next day. No talk of money so I put some in her purse while she was taking a showeri the morning. When she seen the money she gave it back to me. She said she wasnted to come with me. I did not ask her to come with me. Nice fuck at night and a bbbjcof in the morning. Now she calls me many times a day. Such a crazy girl.[/QUOTE]Doesn't sound like free. Just a different way-.

She perhaps judge you as an easy mark(victim).

[QUOTE=HornDog3;1692842]I went to a massage shop at the bottom of the walk over by Soi 8. I had a nice massage from a girl that was to my liking. After the massage was over she asked for my number as she said she liked me. About 2 hours later she calls and ask if I want to meet for a drink. So we meet at a bar on soi 11. Later that night we say goodbye and she asked if she could go with me. Long story short. We were in the room at about 11:30 pm and she went home at 10:00 am next day. No talk of money so I put some in her purse while she was taking a showeri the morning. When she seen the money she gave it back to me. She said she wasnted to come with me. I did not ask her to come with me. Nice fuck at night and a bbbjcof in the morning. Now she calls me many times a day. Such a crazy girl.[/QUOTE]Can I have the contact number please.

Can someone recommend where in Bangkok I might pick up a few toys? Bonus points if they carry high-quality rubbers.

Reading the forum it seems like selection and quality may be limited, but I unfortunately do not have the luxury of bringing with me as I'm already abroad.

Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=HornDog3;1692842]I went to a massage shop at the bottom of the walk over by Soi 8. I had a nice massage from a girl that was to my liking. After the massage was over she asked for my number as she said she liked me. About 2 hours later she calls and ask if I want to meet for a drink. So we meet at a bar on soi 11. Later that night we say goodbye and she asked if she could go with me. Long story short. We were in the room at about 11:30 pm and she went home at 10:00 am next day. No talk of money so I put some in her purse while she was taking a showeri the morning. When she seen the money she gave it back to me. She said she wasnted to come with me. I did not ask her to come with me. Nice fuck at night and a bbbjcof in the morning. Now she calls me many times a day. Such a crazy girl.[/QUOTE]That brings back memories of thirty years ago. I am curious as to whether she gave you any sniff kisses. That is where they sniff and kiss behind your ear. I was told then that it was a sign of significant liking. Maybe the younger generation is not into that.

9. that's the number of this guys worthless posts so far.

And Bangkok35 with two posts and already bird dogging for numbers.

[QUOTE=Goodle;1692897]Doesn't sound like free. Just a different way-.

She perhaps judge you as an easy mark(victim).[/QUOTE]

After afternoon massage I went to sleep and woke up 9 pm. Entered NEP with friends to one go-go bar. Had some drinks but left after some time and thought to visit Soi Cow boy by walk.

I liked Soi Cow boy place better than NEP. Whole street is full of bars, chicks.

Entered in one bar (don't remember the name). Lot of girls and most of them are pretty. One lady joined us and started chit chat. She Asked for LD and we ordered. Cost 160 B, pressing the boobs till she was there. After that another lady joined ABD I continued the same.

After some time johny became hard. Asked one girl for BJ, she demanded 800 B negotiated the price for 500 B, went to first floor and finished the deed.

Good end of my first day in Bangkok.

Hi guys,

I'll be in Bangkok next week staying at the Sheraton Grande Sukhumvit.

Any recommendation for some action nearby? Also some outcall options if possible.

Thanks,

Tony

[QUOTE=Goodle;1692897]Doesn't sound like free. Just a different way-.

She perhaps judge you as an easy mark(victim).[/QUOTE]You need to build trust. 2 free sessions is adequate as usually the conned is not that bright. Once you gain the victims trust you can do quite a lot of damage.

[QUOTE=Bang4444;1693219]After afternoon massage I went to sleep and woke up 9 pm. Entered NEP with friends to one go-go bar. Had some drinks but left after some time and thought to visit Soi Cow boy by walk.

I liked Soi Cow boy place better than NEP. Whole street is full of bars, chicks.

Entered in one bar (don't remember the name). Lot of girls and most of them are pretty. One lady joined us and started chit chat. She Asked for LD and we ordered. Cost 160 B, pressing the boobs till she was there. After that another lady joined ABD I continued the same.

After some time johny became hard. Asked one girl for BJ, she demanded 800 B negotiated the price for 500 B, went to first floor and finished the deed.

Good end of my first day in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]That sounds like a pretty good deal for a blow job. Did she strip and let you feel and was it a CIM?

[QUOTE=CallMeTony;1693402]Hi guys,

I'll be in Bangkok next week staying at the Sheraton Grande Sukhumvit.

Any recommendation for some action nearby? Also some outcall options if possible.

Thanks,

Tony[/QUOTE]Soi Cowboy is a 5 minute walk. There are escort agencies that will send girls to your hotel, which is girl friendly. You can also get girls on outcall from any of the massage parlors that are mentioned on the MP threads. For the MPs and escorts see their websites.

[QUOTE=Specter69;1693037]Can someone recommend where in Bangkok I might pick up a few toys? Bonus points if they carry high-quality rubbers.[/QUOTE]Sex toys are technically illegal in Thailand so you will not find any sex shops per se. There are some available from the Sukhumvit street vendors but the packages are open and could possible be second hand. Decent quality condoms can be had at any pharma but the rule of thumb is to bring them from your home country.

SunLover.

I find mirrors on ceilings to be a very big erotic add on. Anyone else?

Can someone tell me which of the Oilies in Sukhumvit (I know Mango does) and which of the Soapies on Ratchadaphisek have ceiling mirrors?

[QUOTE=Chris42;1693640]I find mirrors on ceilings to be a very big erotic add on. Anyone else?

Can someone tell me which of the Oilies in Sukhumvit (I know Mango does) and which of the Soapies on Ratchadaphisek have ceiling mirrors?[/QUOTE]Is the ceiling mirror at Mango only in their VIP room(s)? It has been awhile since I have sessioned at Mango, but my recollection although vague is they did not have ceiling mirrors in their regular rooms. or maybe even no mirrors of any kind. I did, however, use their VIP room once, but do not recall much about it other than I thought it was not worth the extra money.

[QUOTE=PaulKausch;1693505]Soi Cowboy is a 5 minute walk. There are escort agencies that will send girls to your hotel, which is girl friendly. You can also get girls on outcall from any of the massage parlors that are mentioned on the MP threads. For the MPs and escorts see their websites.[/QUOTE]Since late December the bar of the Sheraton is reopened (after a closure of about 1 year). Althaught its never very busy but you can find girls in the age of mid 20 till late 30, all nicely dressed and all looking for some supplement or business.

Its the Sheraton and they start asking prices in line with the Hotel but if you are lucky you deal with the pricing system.

I remember (but it must be 2012 or 2013) that the bar was closing on a weekend day (Friday or Saturday) around 1:30 AM and that I saw that some girls going over to Insomnia.

On the stairs of the Sheraton I chit chatted with a cute girl and she asked where I want to go. I pinpointed in the opposite Soi (19) where I rent a (serivce) apartment. She said I can go with you and my reply was: I can't (read: I am not willing) to pay the prices you would normally ask but I have a bottle of white wine and if you stay for a while I can give you 2 K.

She said lets go and the next afternoon I had to kick here out. She drunk the bottle of wine nearly empty by her self and she allowed everything without anal.

Around 1:00 pm I pushed here to leave and giving here 2,5 K because I chatted the day before with a girl who I would meet at 4 PM at Terminal 21 for food and movie.

Sometimes if you are lucky there a nice gems for reasonable prices to find.

[QUOTE=RalphKramden;1693454]That sounds like a pretty good deal for a blow job. Did she strip and let you feel and was it a CIM?[/QUOTE]Though it was BBBJ but not CIM. She had asked me to inform just before it comes.

I had plan to visit crocodile park so started walking down the street for taxi.

Thought of having a look inside of famous soapy massage in NEP road. 6-7 girls shown, I liked few. Thought of trying after day trip.

Returned back from Crocodile Park at evening, directly went for soapy.

Price 2500/- for massage+BJ+1 shot, price seemed to be non-negotiable.

Selected a girl who was little black complexion though she was Thai.

She was surprised when I chose her (like why me expression). And whole fish bowl girls cheered yeah.

I got surprised by seeing their expression.

Anyway paid the money in counter and entered the room. Red bulb on.

Started kissing, licking, biting. She had great figure and nice eyes. Small boobs and clean shaven pussy.

It continued for 15 minutes. I was enjoying a lot.

BJ started, She was hard on johny, I felt tooth of her, though I enjoyed a lot.

Came in 10 minutes.

Again kissing, licking, biting for some time.

Then I was asked to wait in tub while she be back in moment.

I was waiting and waiting. 10 minutes passed.

I was nervous on what's going. After some time she entered.

She asked me to come near to her.

I went close to her. She showed me her neck which had red spots. She asked who did?

Now I realized what she is asking. I smiled. She smiled after me and kissed.

She was telling me that when she was out, her friends asked about neck. She didn't have any idea, she tried to apply cream to get that disappear but still visible. I said I liked her and that's why it could happen. She said nothing to worry, it will disappear in 1-2 Days. She liked me too, I guess.

Again foreplay started, this time I was careful not to bite her any place.

Started the deed in missionary, doggy and some more.

Finished.

I hugged, kissed, tipped and said good bye.

What an GFE. I loved Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Robbie31;1693056]That brings back memories of thirty years ago. I am curious as to whether she gave you any sniff kisses. That is where they sniff and kiss behind your ear. I was told then that it was a sign of significant liking. Maybe the younger generation is not into that.[/QUOTE]So that's a thing in Thailand. I had a girl (in her late 20's or early 30's) doing that to me couple of days ago. Was not too sure what was that about. Now I know thanks to you LOL.

Hi All.

Over the past year I have posted quite a few lay reports from Bangkok and Pattaya go-go girls and freelancers, and from Bangkok soapies and (mostly) oilies.

Here is my question: what options are available to get some decent action at 2 pm or earlier in the day?

My current modus operandi is to go to Addict Massage because they have a line-up of at least a dozen girls by 2 pm, including a few cute ones, and quite a lot of rotation on their roster. But am I missing out on other options that I should be exploring?

TIA,

Eric.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1693740]Hi All.

Over the past year I have posted quite a few lay reports from Bangkok and Pattaya go-go girls and freelancers, and from Bangkok soapies and (mostly) oilies.

Here is my question: what options are available to get some decent action at 2 pm or earlier in the day?

My current modus operandi is to go to Addict Massage because they have a line-up of at least a dozen girls by 2 pm, including a few cute ones, and quite a lot of rotation on their roster. But am I missing out on other options that I should be exploring?

TIA,

Eric.[/QUOTE]The Beer Garden on Soi 7 has lots of ladies available at that time. For the most part they are *not* young, hotties. OTOH, I've found some delightful older (35-45) ladies there. Another mid-day possibility is to find a "legit" massage shop lady that would like to make an outcall appointment. That has worked well on a number of occasions.

SW4.

[QUOTE=SirWilliam4;1693743]The Beer Garden on Soi 7 has lots of ladies available at that time. For the most part they are *not* young, hotties. OTOH, I've found some delightful older (35-45) ladies there. Another mid-day possibility is to find a "legit" massage shop lady that would like to make an outcall appointment. That has worked well on a number of occasions.

SW4.[/QUOTE]

In addition, I would say that one may find several streetwalkers early in the day in Chinatown. More than 90% of them are rather old and unattractive (that's an understatement), but I always managed to find 2 or 3 young (in their early or mid-twenties) and decent-looking ones (about 7 and even 8/10 in my book) at any time of the day.

Service there is often substandard, but one may be lucky, and at least, that's cheap. I never paid more than 500 baht (ST session) there for the provider and about 80-120 baht for the room. My latest visit in this district occured in November 2014, but I doubt that things have much changed since.

[QUOTE=SirWilliam4;1693743]The Beer Garden on Soi 7 has lots of ladies available at that time. For the most part they are *not* young, hotties. OTOH, I've found some delightful older (35-45) ladies there. Another mid-day possibility is to find a "legit" massage shop lady that would like to make an outcall appointment. That has worked well on a number of occasions.

SW4.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your reply, SirWilliam4. I have been to the Beer Garden on Soi 7 once in the afternoon, and indeed the ladies available there were not young hotties whom I was looking for.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1693652]Is the ceiling mirror at Mango only in their VIP room(s)? It has been awhile since I have sessioned at Mango, but my recollection although vague is they did not have ceiling mirrors in their regular rooms. or maybe even no mirrors of any kind. I did, however, use their VIP room once, but do not recall much about it other than I thought it was not worth the extra money.[/QUOTE]Mango normal rooms have mirrors on the sides.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1693770]Thank you for your reply, SirWilliam4. I have been to the Beer Garden on Soi 7 once in the afternoon, and indeed the ladies available there were not young hotties whom I was looking for.[/QUOTE]Yep. I agree. Not hotties. Then again, I've had some of my very best experiences with women I've met there. There's something to be said for attractive women with some real life experience.

SW4.

Hi guys,

This will be my first time in BKK and Thailand.

Could you recommend what would be the best option (price-wise and looks-wise (I don't really care about the service very much, basic sex is enough for me) if I want a girl for an overnight session?

I have one option in mind. Some girl from Bamboo massage, it's only 5000 baht for an overnight (21.00 - 9.00). However, based on some reports about Bamboo massage I read that the pictures of the girls in their website do not reflect the reality.

I'm open to various suggestions, but I'd prefer a slim hot girl in her 20-ies.

[QUOTE=RalphKramden;1693454]That sounds like a pretty good deal for a blow job. Did she strip and let you feel and was it a CIM?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Bang4444;1693687]Though it was BBBJ but not CIM. She had asked me to inform just before it comes.[/QUOTE]Easy enough to get an 800 bht BBBJ with CIM, just go to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] on Soi 8. They will take off the top if you ask.

Sup fellas,

I posted a report about a month back about my first time experience in Bangkok, and generated some discussion. After consulting with you guys, I polished up my strategy and came back with a better plan this time around. I booked with the royal asia lodge which is pretty close to both soi cowboy and nana. It was pretty cheap, but the keys were intermittently working. Also, if you have an overnight guest and want to have breakfast, they will give you two free breakfast vouchers, but I didn't wake up early enough to eat it, so I can't give my opinion on that.

I browsed the forums of the latest posts to see what the general rate for taking the ladies back was going to be. I opted to go to Nana first, as the first time I went there, I did not to go into any places, but just to walk around to see what it's like and what kind of talent was out and about. This time I went into Suckers first. It was a Thursday night, so I expected the talent to be less than superb, but better than a Tuesday or Wednesday night talent. The girls were alright in here. I got plenty of looks by most in the place. The owner, who is a very feminine gay man, kept coming over to me and patting my junk. At first I played along, it garnered a lot of attention from all of the girls, which I thought was key to showing that I was fun and open-minded. But after the third time or so, and him telling everyone I was his boyfriend, I felt pretty uncomfortable. Even the wait staff was asking me to buy them drinks and barfine them. Not sure if this is common practice. I tend to attract all of the gays, ESPECIALLY the ladyboys. I'm not interested in the former or the latter, but I love compliments from any gender or gender identity. I pay for the drink and move onto another place, rainbow 4. The selection here is far better. I sit right at the bar to get an up close look at all of the girls. No one really catches my eye, except for a few. But the girls are pretty shy and aren't approaching anyone, except one or two. Most of the clientele here were Asians, so I blended right in. I ordered a drink, and when the next set of ladies go up to the bar, one of the most gorgeous woman on the planet is dancing. Seriously, she looks like a slimmer hotter version of Mila Kunis, a 9. 5. There's only a handful of women in the world, famous or not, that I would give anything above a 9. I'm sure many of you know who I'm talking about. I couldn't believe she was Thai, but she confirmed she was. I forgot her name, but she's from Bangkok. Has a great looking body. Before I even get a chance to get a wait staff's attention, she's already snatched up by I believe a Japanese man a few seats from me. He talks to her for about 5 minutes, and doesn't buy her a drink. She's back on stage only minutes later. This kind of irked me, what could have possibly happened in the conversation that he didn't want to buy her a drink or chat her up some more? Or even barfine her? I had to find out. I buy her a drink, and after the song she comes to talk to me. We have the usual conversation, where are you from, are you here for work or holiday, how long are you in Thailand, etc. But this conversation was pretty quick with short answers and no follow up questions from her. She seemed generally disinterested, not just in me, but at all. There was a lot of awkward silences. I told her she looks like Mila Kunis, and she doesn't know who that is, but people tell her that all the time. After about 3 minutes of silence, she asks "so are you going to barfine me? And I tell her no. I told her that I'm sorry, but I don't think there's chemistry between us. As hot as she was, I would rather sacrifice a little of the looks for a great session, than to be with a gorgeous starfish. I feel that the session would have been terrible, she's so hot, she wouldn't have to do anything, her looks alone would garner enough barfines. I could be wrong, and she could have just been shy, and the session would have been earth shattering. Maybe someone can affirm I made the right decision? Anyways, I told her that I'm not going to waste any of her time, told her she doesn't have to stay, she thanks me for the drink, doesn't even finish it, and leaves. My ego is a bit hurt at this point, most women are generally interested when I talk to them. Being a young, muscular, tall, and handsome Asian-American usually requires little work with women in my real life, even less in my mongering life. Oh well, I would have a fantastic session later on in the night. However, she never returned to the stage, and she kept stealing glances at me during the rest of my time there. She probably is thinking that she might have made a mistake. Pondering if she showed some more interest, or done more to seal the deal. I'm the least detestable man in the place. All wishful thinking perhaps haha.

I finish up my drink and head over to Angel witch. But not before being mauled by all the ladyboys, many of which I've already turned down in the hallway.

This place is a little bit different, the girls actually put on a show, a choreographed dance sequence, with an audience member tied up on center stage, and they whipped him and grinded on him. It was new and refreshing, better than the same old boring dance stage filled with girls dancing lethargically and having the facial expressions of somewhere they would rather be and have better things to do. Alas, they did that immediately after the show. There were two mamasans there, both of whom were rather large women. I tend to charm up the mamasans or papasans, hoping they like me enough to help pick out the best girl in the place, or tells the girl to give me extra care and attention. It worked for me well in San Salvador, San Jose, Phnom Penh, and various other places. I chat up the main mamasan, and even buy her a drink. I asked if she barfines, but she jokingly says she does, but is too busy that night. I tell her my heart is broken. But I spot a gorgeous shy girl on stage. Her name is Koy, has dyed brown hair with blond highlighted bangs, about shoulder length. She's from Bangkok, 22-26 (can't remember), super cute and super shy. Nice body, Ccup boobs (fake), beautiful booty, but wears blue contact lenses, which takes away from the natural beauty of thai women. She's got a little speech impediment, which I thought was adorable, and made her seem more human than a goddess. She sounds like Holly Hunter. It was her second day at Angel witch which explains why she was so shy and demure, so she was almost brand new to the scene. I was also her second customer of the day.

I ask her if she would do BBBJ, DFK, and CIM. She said yes to all three. Barfine is 600 THB for 2 hours of shortime and her rate is 3000 THB. So lower barfine in Bangkok, but higher girl rate vs lower girl rate and higher barfine in pattaya. I negotiated for 2900 THB and she agreed, pay my bill and we head back to the hotel. However, no taxi or tuktuk driver knew where it was. We tried about 4 or 5 guys, and my room key didn't have the address. We were going to hike it back, but she suggested the nana plaza short time hotel on the 3rd floor. I ask how much that was, she says 350 THB, but I explain why would I pay for a room when I already have one. She says she will deduct the difference from her rate. I guess this is best for her, as it's more safe and convenient. I reluctantly agree. The room is tiny, but clean and convenient. I pay the front desk and head into the room. We take a shower together, and just like my experience in Pattaya, she was super loving and caring in the way she washed me. It didn't feel like a chore for her, and something she didn't want to do. It was playful, and we have some funny conversations during the whole thing. She even dries me off with the towel. We head to the bed, and I opt to smoke some mary jane before we begin. She even helps me light the pipe.

She starts off with a BBBJ, good suction and makes moaning noises as she does it, and I finger bang her from the side while she does it. She taste sweet. Once I'm ready, she gets up, and adds lube to herself. Tells me she doesn't like being finger banged. She puts the cover on, and rides me while I have an amazing view of her and her body while grabbing her bottom and cupping her breasts. I then embrace her while I try to pound her into oblivion. We then switch to my favorite position, which is mish for another amazing view. We constantly make out, and she's always ready and willing to give me her mouth and tongue to French kiss. After driving into her for awhile, the things she says were driving me crazy, and turning me on. Things like: "I can cum just like this, keep going", "Can I please cum? "Just like that". I tell her that I love her, but she's taken aback by it, and rather surprised. I think she thinks I was being serious, I say it to a lot of girls. When she says "Let's cum together", I told her that I wanted to cum in her mouth while caressing her lips with my fingers. She says she prefers it on her breasts, but I told her I prefer it in her mouth. She agrees. Once I thought I was ready to nut, I take the cover off and have her suck me to completion. But it was a false alarm, and for the next 15 minutes, I skull f**k her while he strokes me and takes me in her mouth. While pumping deep and hard, I tell her that I was cumming at the last second (the delayed reaction from smoking the MJ) and blow the biggest load into her mouth, and the second pump into her mouth created an equally sizeable load. I was surprised by all of this, because earlier in the day, I had rubbed one out because of the sexy session I had the night before in Pattaya. This poor girl couldn't handle that much of my man juice, and has to take my manhood out of her mouth while squeezing it tight, and spit out the mouthful onto her breasts. After she does that, she jerks the rest out onto her boobs. I couldn't believe how much more came out, I made such a mess everywhere, all over her body. It was an intense orgasm, increased because of the MJ.

She goes to clean herself up first, squatting to clean her vajayjay with the shower head, just like before the session started. After she finishes, with a towel wrapped around her body, she comes into the shower to clean me up, once again, making me feel like a king. All I could do was stare and admire this woman, for the love and care she was giving a complete stranger. Why can't all woman be like this? She tells me how she hates CIM, but she was willing to do it for me anyways, because of how much I wanted it. She asks if I am clean, which I respond with "Of course! I only practice safe sex. I love sex, but I'm not willing to die for it. ".

After everything was said and done and paying her, she even walks me out of the Nana plaza. Seriously, she did not have to do a lot of the things that she did, but she did it anyways. I was falling in love with this woman. I picked her up off her feet to give her the biggest hug, the type that you give to someone you haven't seen in a long time, only this time, the opposite, a big hug for someone I will never see again. A kiss on the cheek and we were gone.

I love Thailand, and the women there are on the top of my charts in almost every category. They really know how to take care of a man. Make me feel like I'm on top of the world.

Koy: Porn Star Experience.

Face: 8.

Body: 8. 5.

Service: 9.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1694154]Tells me she doesn't like being finger banged.
I told her that I wanted to cum in her mouth... She says she prefers it on her breasts.
...spit out the mouthful onto her breasts. After she does that, she jerks the rest out onto her boobs.
She tells me how she hates CIM

Koy: Porn Star Experience.
[/QUOTE]It all sounds like great fun, but I'd hardly call it PSE, especially after agreeing to CIM in the bar. I expect CIM with PSE and don't expect to have to beg for it. The negotiations should be on whether she swallows.

[QUOTE=Goyave;1693764]In addition, I would say that one may find several streetwalkers early in the day in Chinatown. More than 90% of them are rather old and unattractive (that's an understatement), but I always managed to find 2 or 3 young (in their early or mid-twenties) and decent-looking ones (about 7 and even 8/10 in my book) at any time of the day.

Service there is often substandard, but one may be lucky, and at least, that's cheap. I never paid more than 500 baht (ST session) there for the provider and about 80-120 baht for the room. My latest visit in this district occured in November 2014, but I doubt that things have much changed since.[/QUOTE]Last year I was in Chinatown and there was two working girl houses that I found one Chinese and the other mixed. I picked a girl from Lao. Amazing ass and breasts. We went for like 40 minutes straight and she did not complain once. The manager over changed me and when I finished the manager was nowhere to be found. I come back the next day and the girl quit because she found out what the manager was stealing from her. But, I have found some gems in Chinatown. I only know the places by sight or I would post the address. I think the place was called Dallas massage or Houston massage. Something like that. Just having flashback of Bangkok's Chinatown. Can't wait for my next trip in 6 months!

Does anyone know if the girls from BKK48 are available for LT / out call?

Also, can anyone suggest a good regular (I. E. No extras) massage place, ideally in or near lower Sukhumvit?

Sorry for all of the questions, I've already made a number of bookings for this trip and will report all of the salacious details here.

[QUOTE=Oosik;1694391]It all sounds like great fun, but I'd hardly call it PSE, especially after agreeing to CIM in the bar. I expect CIM with PSE and don't expect to have to beg for it. The negotiations should be on whether she swallows.[/QUOTE]I didn't beg for it. I asked if she would do it, and she immediately said yes, didn't have to pay more for the extras (although I'm sure it's included in the price). I couldn't care if she swallows, that would be her option. I don't see a lot of pornos where the girl swallows. I'm really just not into it.

In your opinion, what would be a PSE session then?

[QUOTE=TomSf;1694435]... But, I have found some gems in Chinatown. I only know the places by sight or I would post the address. I think the place was called Dallas massage or Houston massage. Something like that. ...[/QUOTE]That's Texas Massage, very likely.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1694598]I didn't beg for it. I asked if she would do it, and she immediately said yes, didn't have to pay more for the extras (although I'm sure it's included in the price). I couldn't care if she swallows, that would be her option. I don't see a lot of pornos where the girl swallows. I'm really just not into it.

In your opinion, what would be a PSE session then?[/QUOTE]You asked for CIM at the bar by verifying that it was included. It should never have come up again, but that is pretty typical with bar girls: Promise anything, then try to weasel out of it. Good that you stuck to your guns, though it ended up either a win / win or a lose / lose, depending on your attitude towards that sort of thing, because yes, you got some CIM, but she got out of some of it via her preferred chest release.

I only brought up swallowing as an example of something that would be open to negotiation. In my opinion (and opinions are like a**holes. Soon to be mentioned. Everyone has one) good PSE involves three holes on her and one on you (rimming) with readily offered, maybe even sought, CIM. Obviously these are not mandatory on your part. You're paying so you can opt out of any of it. But it should be your choice, as I wrote: opt-out, not ask-in. If you opt out of enough, though, it becomes just sex with an enhancement or two. Nothing wrong with just sex if that is what you want, but labeling it as PSE is misleading: I saw that tag line and eagerly read the post only to find a fairly typical BG experience with what sounded like a good performer.

I think that PSE probably varies with the location. For example, I was just in the Philippines where in most cases PSE could best be described as soft-core porn. Here I expect hard-core. If you want a better, more enjoyable definition, I suggest you read the massage threads here, choose a highly reviewed oily (not soapy) provider, and take her for a whirl. Or you could just walk into the Eden Club. That is sort of Uber-PSE with [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord118][CodeWord118][/url], strap-ONS, and a two-girl minimum.

The drawback is, of course, that as a rule the looks of the provider decline as one goes farther into PSE. I always thought that was why the Eden club had its in-room pornos: I would concentrate on the video like there was going to be a quiz afterwards unless my view was blocked by female private parts. They cater to fetishes. Maybe I should have my fetish be, "I want to be blindfolded the whole time, including during the selection process. ".

This time I wanted to try famous Nuru massage.

Went to Dr BJ Nuru massage. That road was full of massage parlour. Girl roams around here and there.

Outside the Nuru place, girls were sitting and asking for massage.

As soon as I entered, all girls came inside the lobby and one lady sat near to me for assistance.

She explained the package and asked me if I need help on choosing the girl; she would help me.

It was 2000 including all.

Chose a nice girl (don't remember the name and number).

Went to 2nd floor and I was asked to remove cloth and wait while she will fetch the massage lotion, gel etc.

She came back and gave me shower.

Then we both rinsed mouth with mouth wash and kissing started.

Followed by a perfect BJ.

Then massage started for 20-25 Minutes, rubbed my whole body.

Then finished deed in missionary and doggy.

Tipped her and came out.

Nice experience with Nuru Massage.

[QUOTE=Oosik;1694618]You asked for CIM at the bar by verifying that it was included. It should never have come up again, but that is pretty typical with bar girls: Promise anything, then try to weasel out of it. Good that you stuck to your guns, though it ended up either a win / win or a lose / lose, depending on your attitude towards that sort of thing, because yes, you got some CIM, but she got out of some of it via her preferred chest release.

I only brought up swallowing as an example of something that would be open to negotiation. In my opinion (and opinions are like a**holes. Soon to be mentioned. Everyone has one) good PSE involves three holes on her and one on you (rimming) with readily offered, maybe even sought, CIM. Obviously these are not mandatory on your part. You're paying so you can opt out of any of it. But it should be your choice, as I wrote: opt-out, not ask-in. If you opt out of enough, though, it becomes just sex with an enhancement or two. Nothing wrong with just sex if that is what you want, but labeling it as PSE is misleading: I saw that tag line and eagerly read the post only to find a fairly typical BG experience with what sounded like a good performer.

I think that PSE probably varies with the location. For example, I was just in the Philippines where in most cases PSE could best be described as soft-core porn. Here I expect hard-core. If you want a better, more enjoyable definition, I suggest you read the massage threads here, choose a highly reviewed oily (not soapy) provider, and take her for a whirl. Or you could just walk into the Eden Club. That is sort of Uber-PSE with wetsports, strap-ONS, and a two-girl minimum.

The drawback is, of course, that as a rule the looks of the provider decline as one goes farther into PSE. I always thought that was why the Eden club had its in-room pornos: I would concentrate on the video like there was going to be a quiz afterwards unless my view was blocked by female private parts. They cater to fetishes. Maybe I should have my fetish be, "I want to be blindfolded the whole time, including during the selection process. ".[/QUOTE]I guess I'm not all that adventurous sexually. I watch a lot of porn, other than an uncovered FJ, I got everything that is typical of the porn that I watch, which tends to be with the popular stars and the mainstream scenes (this would explain my definition of a porn star experience). I don't do anal, I don't want anything in mine, which just leaves two holes, which is what I got. CIM is my biggest fetish, I can't watch porn unless there's a powerful load being unleashed on the star. Something about a woman taking me and my load in her mouth drives me bonkers. But I think our definitions of PSE vary a lot, which is why you felt mislead. I think there's a thin line between porn star experience and fullfilling fetish desires. I'd prefer to ask for things, rather than having to opt-out. I don't like surprises. Definitely don't want to be in a situation where she starts to take a dump on my chest, and opting out would be too late! Hahaha.

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1694693]I got everything that is typical of the porn that I watch, which tends to be with the popular stars and the mainstream scenes.[/QUOTE]Mainstream doesn't have a lot of anal? I thought Sasha Grey was a pro at that. I guess it hasn't progressed as far as I thought it had after I left (serious case of porn creep here).

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1694693]...she starts to take a dump on my chest, and opting out would be too late! Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Probably not even at the Eden Club! I did have one pop out a little nugget during her O, though. That was awkward! More reason to stick with anal, I guess!

Like you say, everyone has a different definition. I THINK the one most common here is a little more hardcore, but no one else has weighed in, so perhaps not. We should discuss tipping for PSE: That would get things going! LOL!

[QUOTE=Specter69;1694534]

Also, can anyone suggest a good regular (I. E. No extras) massage place, ideally in or near lower Sukhumvit?

[/QUOTE]

I have been to these places along Sukhumvit, and they provide proper spa services:

Silk Spa, Sukhumvit Soi 13 (in the Trendy building).

Chivit Chiva Spa (branch 2), Between Sukhumvit Soi 17 and Soi 19, [URL]www.chivitchivaspa.com[/URL].

Urban Retreat Spa, Asoke intersection, [URL]www.urbanretreatspa.net[/URL].

Baan Dalah Mindbody Spa, Sukhumvit Soi 8.

Of course, if you meet the right girl then I am sure someone can negotiate extras.

[QUOTE=Oosik;1694701]Mainstream doesn't have a lot of anal? I thought Sasha Grey was a pro at that. I guess it hasn't progressed as far as I thought it had after I left (serious case of porn creep here).

Probably not even at the Eden Club! I did have one pop out a little nugget during her O, though. That was awkward! More reason to stick with anal, I guess!

Like you say, everyone has a different definition. I THINK the one most common here is a little more hardcore, but no one else has weighed in, so perhaps not. We should discuss tipping for PSE: That would get things going! LOL![/QUOTE]You have to think of the porno industry like the p4 p industry. It costs more for anal, therefore, it's not as common as regular sex. I think they release anal every now and again to keep their audiences from dying of the same old mundane storylines and mediocre sex sessions. As much as I enjoy watching it, it's something I want to save for later, like a 40th birthday or for my future wife (if I ever have one). Ditto for 3 somes, although I want to see if I have enough skills to pull it off for free before my 50th birthday. Devils threesomes doesn't count fellas!

I'm fairly young (32), but I hope I never get so bored of sex that I need crazy / kinky / disgusting things to help get me off.

An accidental poopie? Ewwww. This is the reason why I don't want to do anal. I don't want to pull out and find a streak of brown on the condom, or have a pink sock incident. Why do it, when the most heavenly place on earth is 3 inches away?

[QUOTE=Specter69;1694534]Also, can anyone suggest a good regular (I. E. No extras) massage place, ideally in or near lower Sukhumvit?[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.healthlandspa.com/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.kingand-i.com/spa/spa/[/URL]

SL.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1694962][URL]http://www.healthlandspa.com/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.kingand-i.com/spa/spa/[/URL]

SL.[/QUOTE]Although I haven't used their services, I have heard good things about Health and Spa from friends who do.

There are many Thai style gogo bars in Suthisan near Saphan Kwai station. I have been there before last time might be 5-6 years ago. I with 3 more friends were in BKK for a weekend, they wanted to see something different so we went. The taxi from Asok to here about 100 bahts. We went in many shops and there were really crowded with almost all Thai customers. First we went to place called Rainbow (no relation to Rainbow in Nana) but too crowded so we walked around and went to placed called Chat. It was also crowded, but we found a table.

The system in this area is about the same, you order drinks, they will bring you drinks, but also comes snack plates, wet towels, ice bucket, ect ect, all cost extra, I see all customers take them so we did not refuse. There were several dancers on stage, and the waiters would take girls to different tables and ask you want lady. If you see a lady you like, you take her, you will be charged a sitting fee 200, I think you don't need to order drinks for lady, but our ladies did order some cokes.

I was really tired, because I was acting as translator, my friends speak zero word of Thai, there were some better looking girls, but were all taken already with Thai customers, and also a few girls refused to come because 3 of my friends could not speak a word of Thai, so we ended up taking sort of left over to sit with us.

If you don't speak fluent Thai, it's very hard to have fun, since all girls speak nearly zero English and waiters and mamasans also speak no English, with girls sitting without any conversation is not too much fun.

But there is lap dance time, the girl get on your lap and do a song of lap dance, you pay her 100 baht tip, I asked my girl which was not too attractive about going to hotel, she said it's 2000 include room. I later changed another sitting girl, but this one looked good on stage but close look wasn't too pretty, and my friends were getting bored because they did not want to take out their girls, we left chat and look for next shop.

Approximate money spent per person in my case, drinks 450+girl sitting fee 200 x2+lap dance tip 100 x2, about 1050 for 1 hour.

After Chat we walked around went in look a few places, a place called For You saw 2 nice tall dancers walking out with some Thai mafia looking guy and got into his Benz, we went in and look but was also very crowded with only 2 girls dancing and rest of them sitting already. We went to T-ded.

It was huge bar with multi dance stages. Was also crowded we took a seat, and I tip a waiter to bring me nice ladies.

He brought me a few a time, I think the best ones were gone or already with customers, so we compromised, after a few rounds, we each pick a lady, the level sitting with us was so so, other table's girls always look better, maybe it's dark, the further you get the better you look.

The time was late, so I communicated directly to the 4 girls, my friends want take out, they only do short time, no such thing as LT in Suthisan, they can take us to ST room across the street, all include 2000, by that time I was tired acting and talking all night as interpreter, I just wanted to get a girl and relax.

So my cost for the session, drinks 300 each person, girl sitting 200, ST 2000, tip to waiter 100.

My observation, the girls here are generally younger than Nana or Cowboy but not as playful. Its more like a coyote, they don't dress too sexy. There are some cute girls but majority are mediocre. They do not speak any English so if you cannot speak fluent Thai, you may be ignored by girls or waiters. This place cater to Thais, so don't expect wild sex, it is mostly a straight forward boom boom missionary ST go home place.

If you come, as a foreigner do not behave wildly, do not touch the girls if they refuse, there are lots of Thai thuggish looking guys working in this area, they are more than ready to gang on you if you behave crazy.

All the girls were polite, but not as playful as Cowboy, some girls look hard for take out, some girls don't care much for take out, seems like many are contended with all the sitting fees and lap dance tips.

It's nice change of scenery, but it is not as cheap as you think, for a ST, I think all the things you spend add up close to 2500-3000 up for a ST. Not much different from tourist place. And the best girls are probably taken by these Thai regulars or rich Thai guys who spread tips to everyone.

Due to an overnight layover in Bangkok I was able to Spend One Night in Bangkok!

It has been 7-Years since I have been to Bangkok so I was looking forward to partake in the Extra Curricular Activities while I was here.

I arrived early Saturday evening and had a quick dinner. A buddy of mine suggested Oskar Bistro and Levels and then if necessary go to Mix at the Intercontinental Hotel.

Oskar was quite lively and after a half hour or so I ended up chatting with a couple Beautiful Thai Girls. We ended up going to a bar at the Grand Hyatt (850 Bhat Entrance fee each including 2 drinks was quite expensive I thought). The western band was pretty good. They played good 80's music. After that I took one of the girls (her name is New) back to my hotel for an excellent end to my one night in Bangkok. I'm embarrassed to say (so I won't) how much I paid but it was double what my buddy told me was the maximum to pay. The best part of the night was that after drinking so much beer I had Whiskey Dick and we f**ked for an hour straight in all positions (which is unusual for me). She spent the night but had to leave early.

Yesterday (Sunday) I was able to walk around town and found a place called Dr. BJ's Nuru. I have never had a Nuru Massage before so I gave it a try. Per the recommendation of this forum I picked the girl with the nicest smile and seemed most interested (it didn't hurt that she was very cute too). This choice turned out to be an excellent choice!

The Nuru Massage was exactly what I was hoping for. Started out with me lying on the Rubber Mattress face down and the girl (her name was View. And yes it was quite a view) massaged my back, legs and ass with her P*ssy and Tits. She had fake tits (which I generally don't like) but they were the best I have ever felt.

Once she flipped me over she continued the massage with her Pssy and tits all over the front of me. The whole time she was smiling and was generally having a good time and don't rush anything. Without saying anything she started an awesome BBBJ (didn't ask if I wanted it covered. Which I didn't). After 5-minutes or so (not long enough for my liking) she was ready to do the deed.

As I said before I don't usually last very long and this girl did a very good job of getting me off in girl on top position. I came the first time in less than 5-minutes but she kept going bound and determined to get me a "Second Pop" as she said.

After I had had enough she proceeded to give me another soapy massage to clean me off. She also was flirting with another BBBJ but unfortunately my unit was not up for it.

Overall it was a good experience and at a cost of 2,000 Baht the price was right. I would highly recommend View.

Evening gentlemen.

A question. I have a whole day in Bangkok this Saturday & wondered where I could get my dick polished at about 10:30 am. I know Som's doesn't open till 2 pm but I want to save the afternoon load for Tulip or Snow White. Does anyone know what time [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s opens?

[QUOTE=Supmam;1695736]Evening gentlemen.

A question. I have a whole day in Bangkok this Saturday & wondered where I could get my dick polished at about 10:30 am. I know Som's doesn't open till 2 pm but I want to save the afternoon load for Tulip or Snow White. Does anyone know what time 's opens?[/QUOTE]They have a website, have you tried to check on Google? This is what the page says -.

Private area: prices start at Bt800.

We're open from 08:00 till 1:00 the next morning.

Private rooms: prices start at Bt1,700.

If you want to wine and dine or dance the night away with one of our.

Special girls, this can be arranged. Just ask the cashier.

http://lolitasbangkok.com/services.html

Supmam,

Try Annie's, it opens at 10 am and is between Son 2 and 4. It has its own thread on this forum. I've been once and it is worth the experience.

I haven't found much but could those that know I have a question about a Thai holiday and the potential interruption of mongering enjoyment. I'll be in Bangkok over Chakri Memorial Day. Is this a holiday that the bars / spas close or are forced to close for?

Thank you,

DS

[QUOTE=DanSan;1696417]I haven't found much but could those that know I have a question about a Thai holiday and the potential interruption of mongering enjoyment. I'll be in Bangkok over Chakri Memorial Day. Is this a holiday that the bars / spas close or are forced to close for?

Thank you,

DS[/QUOTE]As far as I remember from former years no alcohol allowed.

In the old days funny enough this was not applicable for International Hotel who had a bar like Hayat (Spasso), Ambassador (Climax) and Sheraton.

But honestly with the military in place I can see that they apply the rule more strict then before.

Most bars are open bar they have signage that they have only non-alcohol (till 23:59).

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1694962][URL]http://www.healthlandspa.com/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.kingand-i.com/spa/spa/[/URL]

SL.[/QUOTE]Healthland Spas are recommended. 100% no-nonsense. Good and proper massage in clean surroundings. Please do a decent tip for the ladies.

Many of them around town. Book in advance just to be sure. Sometimes, hordes of tourists drop leading to a painful wait.

Cheers,

McM.

[QUOTE=Supmam;1695736]Evening gentlemen.

A question. I have a whole day in Bangkok this Saturday & wondered where I could get my dick polished at about 10:30 am. [/QUOTE]Star of Light in Patpong is another option for quick but excellent BJ and even FS. Although pickings might be slim.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1696617]Star of Light in Patpong is another option for quick but excellent BJ and even FS. Although pickings might be slim.[/QUOTE]I agree with the Star of Light suggestion. I was there again last night and had an excellent BJ right in the bar on the red Sophia facing the bar. OK, I am a bit of an exhibitionist and I get off quicker if I know there are people watching me. Excellent value as well at 700 baht and no need to buy a drink. Sorry I can't remember the girls name but I think that they are all good at their chosen career.

Johnie.

Hi,

Anyone knows where I could find a fit. Muscular lady?

Thanks,

Tony

Well, I RTFF extensively, which was really helpful and often enjoyable! Many thanks to all of you, especially prolific posters like Natty Bumpo and Paul Kaulsh, really enjoyed your stuff. Nice to record the memories in writing. And I hope my rambles may be of some value to other newbies. But seasoned travellers will probably just sigh at the naivety.

I'm not quite a newbie in Bangkok. With my then partner, on previous visits I've snuck away for sessions at EZ and Angel Massage, as well as other "proper" massage spas which included happy endings.

I'm 60 years old, fit, healthy and slim, but I do have an unfortunate problem. No problem with getting turned on / staying hard, but I now find it difficult to finish, and impossible in a condom. This is at least partly due to an operation plus complications in the groin area 3 years ago (I'll spare you the details). For this reason, at home in London, I indulge exclusively in so-called sensual massage. In other words massage + body-to-body + HJ (or BJ).

I stayed in the Sofitel Sukhumvit, thanks to numerous recommendations here. I realise you can get more than adequate quality for half the price in BKK. But how often can you stay in a 5* hotel for only 100 GBP / night? Sofitel in Europe costs 3-4 x the price. Outstanding service, really friendly staff. I loved it. No problem bringing girls in, no one ever stopped me or asked for I'd, always a polite smile from the doorman / woman.

Day 1.

Arrived at hotel 5 pm. Very tired after overnight flight. I really wanted a proper massage. Thought about a legit spa followed by BJ bar. But didn't really want the hassle of two venues. So I decided to go to Thonglor 2 (Soi 24) which I had read offers reasonable massages as well as extras. Chose 120 minute lotion massage, 1200 be, and Guitar from the book / mamasan recommendation. Decent room. She was nice, and her naked massage was lovely and relaxing for 90 minutes or so. Then routine covered BJ, sex and no problem finishing with HJ despite tiredness. 1500 be. Collapsed into bed.

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Hiya. Did a quick internet search on the name. Returns as a ladyboy place.

Really not my thing.

I meant real women, girls.

Thanks,

Tony

Went to La Belle mid afternoon. Huge place, up market bar area, and huge luxurious room with big bath. 20-30 girls (more when I left). Cheapest section was 3,800 be, rising to 7,000 (I think). These prices include the farang premium I assume? Couldn't see any difference, actually the two best looking to my eyes were in the 3,800 section. Chose Fern, very small, milky coffee coloured, ultra cute, the best looking girl I had the whole week. Not much English. Routine service bath, covered BJ, sex, finish with hand no problem. It's going well!

Mid evening, I decided to visit the Biergarten. No intention of going with anyone. Ha ha you've heard that before. I sat down at the bar. Before long an attractive 30-something sat next to me (later told me she was 39). Normally dressed, with glasses, didn't look like a hooker at all. Her name was M. I was grateful for someone to chat to, but no intention of going with her. I have to admit she played me really well. She was easy to talk to, didn't pressure me at all, just very gradually seduced me. After an hour or more, I realised I really liked her, and eventually agreed to go with her. Not because I particularly wanted more sex, but I wanted to continue with her company. We walked back to Sofitel, but stopped in the bar next door (next to Thermae) for a drink and 3 games of pool. I thought these girls were meant to be really good at pool? But I won all 3 quite easily (played a lot in teenage, but hardly since, so I guess I still have a good eye). Back to hotel. I agreed she could stay the night, as the BTS was about to close. We had oral both ways, sex, hand, but I couldn't finish. I wasn't bothered about this, even if she was!

Diary of a week in BKK Day 3.

(Days 1 and 2 below. Headings missing).

We slept late, so no morning sex. Again, I wasn't bothered about this. So it was ST but I let her sleep in my bed. 2,000 be.

2 months ago, I signed up with [URL]Thaicupid.com[/URL]. Yes, I am half-heartedly looking for a new partner, and this seemed an opportunity to dip toe in water. OMG, so many 40-something enthusiastic Thai women looking for a farang husband like me. I arranged to meet 3 attractive ones on this trip. I spent today with Paa, with whom I had already exchanged quite a lot of online chat, so we already knew each other. She sells insurance. Well, it was fun to spend the day with her. We did some touristy things express boat along the river, what Arun, what Pho etc. Unfortunately it was a public holiday, so boats and temples packed. But the benefit was we got to see a really beautiful dancing ceremony at what Arun. We had dinner at the huge MK Gold in Ekkamai (thanks to Natty Bumpo for the recommendation). You cook the ingredients yourself at the table. It transpired that Paa once waitressed in an MK many years ago. So I let her order, cook on the table, and serve me. I was the only non-Asian there. I really enjoyed it. Paa went home from the restaurant. We held hands and stuff, but I was glad she didn't come onto me in a big way. I like her, but didn't want an ongoing relationship with her. But I agreed to meet again 3 days later.

I wandered out of the Sofitel at about midnight, wanting some action but with no plan. I had noticed that there was usually a decent freelancer or two on Sukhumvit near the Sofitel. In fact, I quickly saw a cute woman about as close as it is possible to be to the Sofitel in between the big pots with palms in, on the pavement right in front of the hotel. She told me she could give a proper massage as well as "look after me" for 1,500 be. I love massage, she seemed nice, so it was a no-brainier. Her name was Pin, 33 years old but of course looks younger. See photo. It transpired she works in a legit massage place in Soi 80-something from 11 am to 11 pm, then some nights tries her luck here. She gave me an hour of Thai massage, really good, then lots of kissing, BBBJ, great HJ finish, and general GFE-ness. Perfection, everything I want. I really liked her. Exchanged Line addresses. I put 2000 be in her handbag.

[QUOTE=JRoberto;1697060]I'm 60 years old, fit, healthy and slim, but I do have an unfortunate problem. No problem with getting turned on / staying hard, but I now find it difficult to finish, and impossible in a condom. .[/QUOTE]Thanks for you reports thus far. I am about the same as you. Just turned 60, reasonably fit, slender, healthy and single. I can get / stay hard with stimulation, though I can finish in a condom, especially using one of the super thin Japanese condoms (though if you are well endowed, they may feel tight). However, after a few releases over a few days, I do need additional stimulation. Actually, I have never been in a situation where daily sex was available to me for a week or two, so I really don't know how I might perform.

Anyway, I have the opportunity to visit Thailand for a maybe 2 1/2 weeks in late April, to celebrate my 60th. (I am single.) If I go, I hope to get down to Phuket for a few days and possibly over to Pattaya. I am not the big city type and think I will tire of BKK within a week. Landscape photography is one of my hobbies, so I hope to maybe hire a couple of girls to show me around.

But hope you have a great time! Keep the reports coming.

It's always good to find things as you left them. Returning from Pattaya, after checking into the airport hotel I headed for town with several missions: Get a load for my SIM that will last for at least ten months, exchange some dollars to give me my starter money for the next trip, get snacks for my horrific economy trip back across the pond, and have one last glorious, mind blowing sexual encounter.

SIM: Check.

Cash: Check.

Food: Check.

Sex: Hey, three out of four ain't bad!

Bull! SIM cards can be repurchased. Money can be changed next trip. My left arm would be a perfectly adequate snack if worse came to worst. But blowing my last chance of sex with another human before I went to the Land That Sex Forgot is a tragedy that ranks up there with the disco craze and the Titanic, though the latter involved that lucky bastard Dicaprio getting killed, which moves me up one rung on the ladder of The Guy Who Gets To Screw The Supermodels. By my best estimate after a few more billion guys die I'm in the top billion. So many guys, so few ocean liners.

My plan was simple: Get the SIM loaded at the AIS place in Terminal 21 (I wanted to talk to someone to ensure it would be good long enough, so 7-11 was out), then use the phone to find out if Bell, she of the bionic rim job, was working at Cherry. If not, I was off to Som's. To cut to the chase, I ended up with the same chubby I had at my failed effort last visit. Yep, things were just as I left them. Obviously remembering her last failure she went all out, shedding the top early, which really didn't help. Yes, they are big. So are cow udders. I personally am not sexually attracted to most bovines. A bit of shape is important. There was a brief improvement when she had me lie flat on the couch and sort of did a tittty-f*ck, more like a titty-jack. When you can't see them they feel wonderfully soft if you really concentrate on not remembering. Right after the near ecstasy came the agony. The pendulous pods were moved north, dragging across my face. I was offered nipples that looked like they had served most of the population of Thailand. Whatever hope of victory I had had was dragged away. I will remember for the next months, then the memory will fade, occasionally revived when I see a fat chick or a cow, and Bangkok will again become the land of smiles and PSE.

Just for spite I'll close on a really unrelated topic, little boys sticking digits in dyk. I mean dikes. Twelve hours after bidding adieu to Miss Piggy I was winging my way home. But the trip had one more experience of note, an experience so bizarre that I felt it must be shared. You may have noted that the bar for things that must be shared is pretty low in my writing, maybe even on the ground, but this bit of literally toilet humor almost had me laughing even while in the throes of a major crisis. I was at the KAL business / first class lounge at Narita. Not terribly long before my boarding time I went to the restroom for a last chance to void my bowels. They have those bidet-seat things on the toilets. I've never used one but always like the little sink sprayers by Asian toilets, so I figured I'd give it a whirl.

I looked at the control panel beside me. It appeared to have come out of a space shuttle. There were probably ten or twelve buttons with various icons and Japanese hieroglyphics on them. I identified what I assumed was the front-wash, presumably for women or guys with really smelly balls, and two different back washes. One looked more like a shotgun blast, the other more of a sniper shot. I decided to get shot by the sniper. I pressed it. There were noises, but nothing seemed to happen. So I released it. Noises grew in intensity. The center of the control panel briefly illuminated and I saw 1:02 before it went dark. So, if the fountain ever started, I was going to get a one minute hosing off.

The fountain started. It felt like what I imagine you could get at the Eden Club for a lot less than that seat cost, though I doubt most girls would last the standard 1:02. But, of course, you have two girls, so.

Sorry, let's get back to Tokyo, and fast. So there I sat, rather enjoying my one minute sampler of that fetish, moving this way and that, chuckling to myself about some poor guy, already late for his flight, being forced to wait another minute. A fun excuse to give your boss, wife, copilot, or whomever. It's not like you can stand up and leave: That thing will chase you out of the stall like a (very) miniature police water cannon. No, your job for that minute is essentially that of the little Dutch boy with his finger in the dike, except that you use your butt and it isn't plugging a homonym for a butch lesbian. You remove your ass and the bathroom floods. Very slowly.

Yes, it was all fun and games until the minute was clearly over and I was still saving mankind from the biblical deluge. I stared at the control. The stall was gloomy so the icons were hard to decipher and the timer illegible without the backlight. Was it an on-off thing? Did I press the same button again to stop the geyser? Or would that just reset the timer? Would it shut off if weight were removed from the seat? What would a ball washing feel like?

Finally, I steeled my nerve and pressed the button again. The flow continued, but the backlight lit again momentarily, showing 1:05. Holy crap! I HAD reset the timer, with an extra three seconds this time! Wait. What time was it, anyway? My watch showed 1:05. It was just a damned clock. It wasn't a timer, so it must have an off switch. Carefully avoiding the ball wash I tentatively pressed a few buttons. Many exciting things happened in the vicinity of my anus, but they all involved a continued stream of water. It pulsed. It aimed high, it aimed low, it increased intensity, it decreased intensity. For all I know it changed colors. I may have a green butthole right now. This was Japan: I may have Hello Kitty painted on it.

Eventually I spotted a button with a red symbol. It could mean "off"; it could mean "boil". Either way I was going to get off that toilet after I pressed it: The equivalent of "sink or swim", but with the possibility of a guy dashing out of a stall with his pants around his ankles, hands gripping his butt crack with Hello Kitty peeking out between the fingers.

The flow diminished, then stopped. I shot off the thing before it could change its mind: If I had pressed some sort of delay button I planned to be long gone, leaving some poor guy to get shot in the face, maybe with boiling water, as he entered the stall. These sorts of events are not tabulated in the "Air Travel Is The Safest" statistics, I think.

Hi, I will be able to stay for 10 days in May in BKK, and do not see any mention of places specializing in flat chest girls, are they such place available? Sorry for the farang beginner question.

Diary of a week in BKK – Day 4.

Went to Nataree mid afternoon. Huge selection of mostly decent young girls, maybe 30-40, what a sight, and more there when I left. I asked the papasan which girls were ok with kissing. He said some, which one do you want, and I will ask her. I pointed to a sweet looking one. Uber-cute. He spoke to her, and indicated positively. She was in the cheapest category of 2,600. Her name was also Fern. Unfortunately, a bad choice! She was limp and inexperienced. Oh, and she wouldn't kiss, except for brushing of lips. Hey ho, never believe a papasan? Not a word of English. I have virtually no Thai, but I can count, so established she was yee-sib (20). She was gentle and caring and sweet, but didn't turn me on much. We went through the usual routine, bath / CBJ / sex / hand, but I was fairly sure I wouldn't finish, so I brought things to a close prematurely. I thought I would save myself for later. My room was good quality, large with a large bath – don't understand the comments about crap rooms here? Memo to self: go for the older (25+), less innocent looking ones.

In the evening, I went to Baccara in Soi Cowboy. From what I'the read, I didn't think I would like go-gos, due to the aggressive pushiness, etc. But I knew I had to see at least one. Wow – what a spectacle! Plenty of decent girls, although not that many seem to meet my eyes when I stared at them. And I didn't find it particularly aggressive. After an hour or so of just sipping my beer on my own, I started to lock eyes with a petite girl with short hair, somewhat Japanese looking. Offered her a drink. Her name was Ben. We went through the usual chit chat, she felt me up, kissed etc. After a bit I agreed to go with her. She went to change, she looked great in her regular clothes. Cab back to hotel, which of course took far longer than walking (but she had heels on.). Usual routine. A struggle to finish, so I decided to finish myself. With her body pressed against me, hands all over me, and her mouth locked onto mine, it was no problem, actually the most intense ending of the whole trip. 2,500 be. She went back to the bar.

I walked out of the hotel for some fresh air. Almost the first person I saw was Pin! Really pleased to see her again. No sex thank you, but I'll give you 1,000 for just a massage. (Yes, I know, I know, that's a ridiculous amount for a massage in BKK, but I really wanted to spend some time with her). Another great massage on my bed, followed by kissing, cuddling, chatting.

I wasn't tired and fancied a beer, so I said I was going to the bar next door. Her friend was outside (no customer) so I bought them both a drink. I wish I could have bottled that moment – the temperature at 1 am is lovely, nice cold beer, balcony view of the Thermae entrance with girls tottering out on their heels, her friend was a laugh, and above all Pin was being very GF-like. OMG I'm in love!

Diary of a week in BKK Day 5.

Met two Thaicupid women today. The first was very pleasant and attractive, middle class, reasonable English. Nice chat in Sofitel lobby then good buffet lunch in Japanese restaurant in Terminal 21,3 hours altogether. Later in the day, I get a battery of Line massages from her. You are the one for me, I want to spend my life with you etc etc. WTF?

In the evening, I did meet someone whom I could imagine spending my life with. Very good English, executive job (incl trips to the UK), own house, interesting, funny, attractive. We ate on the top floor of the Sofitel. Of course very expensive by Thai (but not London) standards, but a unique and interesting experience (the whole floor is mocked up as if it's an apartment). Great place for an up-market dinner date.

After that, ready for some action. Pin had messaged me to say she was tired and had gone home. I didn't want to go too far, so I went to the Thermae. Incredible sight, a pure cattle market! Mostly Asian blokes, and at least 50 girls. I spent quite a long time in there (mostly trying not to let my jaw drop 555). Eventually I settled on a nice looking girl-next-door type in a floral dress (ie not tarty enough to cause embarrassment in the Sofitel lobby 555). She didn't lock eyes easily, but I beckoned her over anyway, asked her if she would go with me. Price 2,500. I indicated too much, but she didn't seem very interested in negotiating or in me for that matter, so I thought this isn't going to work and moved on. I decided to look for another local freelancer outside.

I met Mai in the street. She was obviously not young, but seemed quite pretty and was very friendly. She only wanted 1,000. Disaster!! She was MUCH older than I thought from first sight in the dark street. When I saw her in the bright lights of my room, without clothes, I should have paid her off and gone out for someone else. But I decided to go through with it. To be fair, her BBBJ technique was the best I had all week, and I might have finished if she hadn't stopped. I really couldn't face sex, so we tried a bit of eyes-closed HJ to finish, but my heart wasn't in it. Hey ho the bigger the mistake, the greater the lesson learnt 555. Memo to self: don't be afraid to bail out at any stage; and take much more care choosing especially in a dark street.

Hi,

Just a quick question regarding dating. Which is the most reliable app / site in your opinion?

I have been reading about thaicupid or thaifriendly as good choices. But I think I also read about an app a while ago in here. Sort of a chat setup, as far as I can recall (just can't seem to find it as I'm tracking back in the treads).

T

Diary of a week in BKK Day 6.

Spent the daytime with Paa again (see Day 3). She took me to the Yaowarat temple, where there is a huge solid gold Buddha. Impressive. In the afternoon, we swam in the pool. She started to ask difficult questions about whether I was "serious" with her. I said sorry, no, communication was too difficult to have a proper relationship. I took her to an ice cream parlour, then said goodbye at the MRT.

I went to Shark in Soi Cowboy. A smaller version of Baccara. I preferred the more intimate environment, and the girls seemed more friendly. A girl came and sat next to me, can't remember name. Not my type, plus she had fish sauce breath, but I was happy to be asked the usual questions, and I bought her a drink. This led to lots of feeling up both ways, pleasant enough. Eventually though, I just told her I wasn't going to go with her, and she was gracious about that. Instead I fixed eyes on another girl, much more appealing to me. Again, can't remember name. I bought her a drink. In fact, 3 drinks, one in between each dance. She was a lot of fun, and I was getting really turned on by all the cuddling, feeling up, kissing. Plus the erotic dancing that she directed at me. I kept saying "maybe" in response to her inevitable question. Eventually she got 2-3 girls to surround me and chant "pay bar, pay bar. " I said "maybe" and she went off to dance again. I was completely torn. I really wanted to go with this girl, but Pin (see Day 3) had also messaged me to say she was coming to the Sofitel again. What a decision! In the end, after last night's disaster, I decided that Pin would guarantee me great extended service again, no risk, whereas there was the risk the Shark girl would go through the routine quickly and bail out. So I paid up where she couldn't see me (what a coward! And slunk away, feeling rather guilty.

Had another lovely repeat session with Pin. As I was still horny from the Shark girl, this time I wanted the sex first and the massage after. But I still regret not having a session with the Shark girl. Ah well, lucky to be so spoilt for choice.

Diary of a week in BKK Day 7.

I went to EZ 1 Massage mid afternoon. A year ago, I had managed to grab an hour there, when in BKK with my then partner. I had seen Gift, and had a fantastic session with her. I had emailed EZ a few days before to see if she was still there. She is sometimes, but need to make a booking. I didn't get around to making a booking, and really regretted it. There were 6 in the mediocre line up. The sexiest looking one had just said goodbye to a customer, so I decided not her. But the one I chose was cute enough. Her name was Yuki, and she was half Japanese half Thai. Nice girl, although very little English. We went through the oily routine. Somehow, I couldn't get particularly excited, and I didn't finish. Maybe I had BKK-fatigue by this point! So I asked her for kiss and cuddle, and she was really great, the best kissing session I had the whole trip. Pokey room, compared badly with eg La Belle / Nataree. 2200 be for 90 minutes.

In the evening, I decided I should see Nana. Well, I definitely prefer Soi Cowboy. Nana just seemed too much like a giant seedy brothel. Anyway, after a tour around, and being pawed by ladyboys, I went into Rainbow 4. Before long, a girl sat next to me, her name was Meow. Not bad looking, although rather silly voice (in keeping with her name 555). I bought her a drink, and we had the usual feeling up, grinding, kissing, very pleasant. But I didn't feel like going with her, so I told her I wasn't in the mood, and she was gracious about it. I left.

Pin had messaged to say she was tired and not coming tonight. I walked into the Biergarten, but M wasn't there, and no one caught my eye. So I wandered up Soi 11, and decided to have a look in Climax. Quite a few girls in there, although it was very dark, so difficult to see. One or two smiled at me, but I didn't have the courage / desire to open a conversation / buy a drink, especially as the music was so loud. The waitresses were friendly though. I enjoyed the band for a while. Now it was past midnight.

I decided to walk to Shark in Soi Cowboy to see if my girl from last night was still there. But on the way I walked through the massage alley between Soi 11-13. A really cute, tiny brown girl beckoned me into her parlour. A massage with her suddenly seemed really appealing 555. Her name was Pat. I had an hour's decent oil massage, at the end she teased around my groin for a long period. (This has happened to me before in BKK in a regular massage place, as if they are trying to get you off without actually touching it.) Massively turned on. Eventually, I couldn't stand it anymore and pointed down there. Explosive HJ. Nice finish to the trip. I gave her 1000 baht in total.

[QUOTE=TodayTomorrow;1697862]Hi,
Just a quick question regarding dating. Which is the most reliable app / site in your opinion?
I have been reading about thaicupid or thaifriendly as good choices. But I think I also read about an app a while ago in here. Sort of a chat setup, as far as I can recall (just can't seem to find it as I'm tracking back in the treads).
T[/QUOTE]I usually use Thaifriendly, but next time I would like try badoo also. For the app you can try WeChat, Tinder or Line.