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I also have noticed on most websites now that instead of gbang partys now they are swinger clubs. So if they are called swinger clubs then they also get away with the new law also. So AO will be allowed in them also. Is this the case? I'm not really sure about this new law. Can someone on here verify this. If the gbang performers have a male partner then they will get away with this new law and then say they are a swinger couple doing this for free.
[QUOTE=Maxime;2060063]Indeed GB01 (and some others) did good legal research ahead of July 1st to understand what is (and what is not) possible under the new law. There was even a special legal council meeting in Bonn end of April where all relevant players from the industry where present (but probably some of the wise guys posting here and some organizing parties were not).
After this, professional organizers adjusted their events with legal help in the right way, to comply to the new law (for example the changes you did see with GB01).
As I wrote before, porn / movie / film / photo productions do not fall under the new law (that is stated in the specific "Begrundung" of the "Durhfuhrungs Verordnung") so when organized the right way, they do not have to worry at all.
Other forms, like the way SG it is doing, might work too as a workaround, but for now I would not qualify it as watertight, we will wait and see.[/QUOTE]That's interesting. I'm not a German lawyer, but SG's approach seems much more vulnerable than others; it seems to be largely dependent on how they describe the activities of the women, rather than on an objective analysis of the women's activities. Saying that women who on 30 June worked as prostitutes now work as dancers and also happen to have sex with everyone present at those dances in their spare time seems to me to be literally incredible.
Courts do not have to simply accept the words of a contract, they can look behind those words to see what the reality is. And the reality is that the same women are being hired by SG to perform at sex parties as before the kondompflicht law. Are they being paid less now? If they are not being asked to have sex with anyone, but just to writhe around a bit for 20 minutes, then presumably they are being paid substantially less than they were when they were being asked to have sex with dozens of guys for hours on end. Strangely, given that all that the entry fee buys you is watching a bit of sexy dancing, the entry fees don't seem to be much lower than before the new law, when they used to guarantee you bareback sex with a number of wonderful women for many hours.
SG seem to have got the idea that what matters is how you describe things (it really isn't!) and nothing better illustrates that than the fact that they state in ads inviting the public to events that those events are not public events:
[URL]http://fickanzeigen.net/sexpartys/index.php?id=1500279164[/URL]
I say all of that as someone who has never been to an SG event but who would really like to go to one, so I hope they find a way to continue. But I have to say that I don't find their new concept even remotely convincing as a way of complying with the new law. Their approach seems to be based largely on wishful thinking and a misunderstanding of how courts approach statutory interpretation. I wish them the best of luck but I'm not confident of their chances of success and I certainly don't want to be the guy with his uncovered dick in an SG hole when the cops arrive!
The text of the new law, with comments on it by the Federal Government, is on this website (which, as far as I can tell, is a resource for sex workers):
[URL]http://www.6profis.de/lp/prostschg/faq.php[/URL]
The links to the original Government document don't seem to work but they appear to be links to this document below, which seem to be the Government proposal and impact assessment. At the end of it, there is a commentary on what every section of the law means:
[URL]http://dipbt.bundestag.de/dip21/btd/18/085/1808556.pdf[/URL]
[QUOTE=RedBull691;2062697]I also have noticed on most websites now that instead of gbang partys now they are swinger clubs. So if they are called swinger clubs then they also get away with the new law also. So AO will be allowed in them also. Is this the case? I'm not really sure about this new law. Can someone on here verify this. If the gbang performers have a male partner then they will get away with this new law and then say they are a swinger couple doing this for free.[/QUOTE]Correct, real Swinger clubs / events are allowed. If you convert former paid GB girls to sudden free Swinger girls, it can be tricky however, see remark of IlsArm below:
[QUOTE=IlsArm;2062712]That's interesting. I'm not a German lawyer, but SG's approach seems much more vulnerable than others; it seems to be largely dependent on how they describe the activities of the women, rather than on an objective analysis of the women's activities. Saying that women who on 30 June worked as prostitutes now work as dancers and also happen to have sex with everyone present at those dances in their spare time seems to me to be literally incredible.
Courts do not have to simply accept the words of a contract, they can look behind those words to see what the reality is. And the reality is that the same women are being hired by SG to perform at sex parties as before the kondompflicht law. Are they being paid less now? If they are not being asked to have sex with anyone, but just to writhe around a bit for 20 minutes, then presumably they are being paid substantially less than they were when they were being asked to have sex with dozens of guys for hours on end. Strangely, given that all that the entry fee buys you is watching a bit of sexy dancing, the entry fees don't seem to be much lower than before the new law, when they used to guarantee you bareback sex with a number of wonderful women for many hours.
SG seem to have got the idea that what matters is how you describe things (it really isn't!) and nothing better illustrates that than the fact that they state in ads inviting the public to events that those events are not public events:
[URL]http://fickanzeigen.net/sexpartys/index.php?id=1500279164[/URL]
I say all of that as someone who has never been to an SG event but who would really like to go to one, so I hope they find a way to continue. But I have to say that I don't find their new concept even remotely convincing as a way of complying with the new law. Their approach seems to be based largely on wishful thinking and a misunderstanding of how courts approach statutory interpretation. I wish them the best of luck but I'm not confident of their chances of success and I certainly don't want to be the guy with his uncovered dick in an SG hole when the cops arrive![/QUOTE]Precisely!
And thanks for posting the FAQ and PDF links.
So I'm thinking of attending an SG party not too far in the future. Quite a few of the girls who perform there look delic! Since it would be my first time I'd appreciate some feedback from members who've been?
1. Usually how many guys turn up for these events. What's the ratio like?
2. Do they just do HIV / Syphilis testing? Any other tests?
3. Has anyone ever gotten infected after visiting?
4. Do they serve alcohol there?
5. On avg. What's the play time like (5-7 hours?
Any and all feedback is welcome!
Thanks!
[QUOTE=BatStroke;2076913]So I'm thinking of attending an SG party not too far in the future. Quite a few of the girls who perform there look delic! Since it would be my first time I'd appreciate some feedback from members who've been?
Any and all feedback is welcome!.[/QUOTE]Can I refer you to my report from an earlier visit this year, a shortened version of which I have re-posted below?
[QUOTE=Myrrh;2050879]The event that I attended recently at SG unfortunately was a crashing failure.
(Edited)
It was the first time that I have been to a gangbang by one of the major providers, SG / SB / GB01, where I was thinking that I am at a really at a loss as to what to do and that I am not sure whether I am going to bother to try any of the women, mainly because of their crappy attitude.
It was too late to change my day ticket into a '2 stunden' ticket to at least try and save a few euros and it was a long, 4+ hours slog back to the NRW area where I could have a more enjoyable AO time at an RTC with better looking women, and more importantly, women with at least a modicum of enthusiasm.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BatStroke;2076913]So I'm thinking of attending an SG party not too far in the future. Quite a few of the girls who perform there look delic! Since it would be my first time I'd appreciate some feedback from members who've been?
1. Usually how many guys turn up for these events. What's the ratio like?
2. Do they just do HIV / Syphilis testing? Any other tests?
3. Has anyone ever gotten infected after visiting?
4. Do they serve alcohol there?
5. On avg. What's the play time like (5-7 hours?
Any and all feedback is welcome!
Thanks![/QUOTE]I can't speak about the post-AO apocalypse in Germany. I can only speak for the pre-July1 AO Deutsch-wonderland that we all hope returns one day. As far as SG goes, I avoided them altogether, but that's just me. A lot of people swear by them. The one's I went to were always over crowded. Usually they would perform 4 separate times for around 45 min depending how many girls were in attendance. If there were 4 girls. They'd put 2 girls in the 45 min rotation at a time, while the other 2 rested. They usually just test for HIV, but sometimes chlamydia and Syphilis. There's plenty of past reports on the SG thread. Myrrh gives a exceptional and descriptive experience of the events there, as many others also have. The new laws that kicked in on July 1 may make these pre-July 1 reports less relevant. You might want current reports done in the new post-AO law environment. The only thing that remains the same is the girls, which to me are mostly washed up has-been's or never-been's with bad attitudes. There's plenty of info on them in the threads, so I won't go into details. Good luck.
To confirm CeeJay, the girls at SG really don't live up to the publicity pictures and were clearly getting tired of the events. I've not been since July 1st so don't know how the events are going.
Batstroke. Go to an event and try your luck: they vary so much from event to event. I have had events which were great fun, to one where a worker slapped me! (other guests said I had done nothing wrong and the girl later apologised), and one where the workers were so unattractive to me that I felt physically sick. Your loss can only be around 100 euros, and if you like it that is a bargrain. .
[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2078120]I can't speak about the post-AO apocalypse in Germany. I can only speak for the pre-July1 AO Deutsch-wonderland that we all hope returns one day. As far as SG goes, I avoided them altogether, but that's just me. A lot of people swear by them. The one's I went to were always over crowded. Usually they would perform 4 separate times for around 45 min depending how many girls were in attendance. If there were 4 girls. They'd put 2 girls in the 45 min rotation at a time, while the other 2 rested. They usually just test for HIV, but sometimes chlamydia and Syphilis. There's plenty of past reports on the SG thread. Myrrh gives a exceptional and descriptive experience of the events there, as many others also have. The new laws that kicked in on July 1 may make these pre-July 1 reports less relevant. You might want current reports done in the new post-AO law environment. The only thing that remains the same is the girls, which to me are mostly washed up has-been's or never-been's with bad attitudes. There's plenty of info on them in the threads, so I won't go into details. Good luck.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the response man. Yeah I think the only legit ones left post AO-apocalypse is the GB01 events? Salma De Nora I read is quite bad anyway. GGG keeps changing their dates so now when I'm there, there is no event despite earlier being scheduled around then. Meh I think I'll stick to:
1. Burg-Ibiza in Munchen.
2. Treff-188 in Frankfurt.
3. Anni-Porsche (since EBW I didn't really enjoy last time).
[QUOTE=Optimist;2078163]To confirm CeeJay, the girls at SG really don't live up to the publicity pictures and were clearly getting tired of the events. I've not been since July 1st so don't know how the events are going.
Batstroke. Go to an event and try your luck: they vary so much from event to event. I have had events which were great fun, to one where a worker slapped me! (other guests said I had done nothing wrong and the girl later apologised), and one where the workers were so unattractive to me that I felt physically sick. Your loss can only be around 100 euros, and if you like it that is a bargrain..[/QUOTE]Thanks man. I'll avoid SG based on all the reports and feedback I'm getting. I'll probably stick to rubber fun 'YAY'. Might micro-dose on lsd and pop the blue pill to see how it goes ha!
Hey guys,
Researching into the AO scene in Germany I found a party called Spassfucktor. They have events all around the country and I was wondering have any one of you been?
How are the people who attend?
Do they do tests as well?
Is it fun?
I'm considering maybe attending an event but just want to check.
It is interesting to read the different opinions we all seems to have. I have probably attended to 10 or so, events with Spermagames. Every time I have left with a big smile on my face. There's normally enough girls present to please any desires and most of them were also very much into it. So for me, this is a super place to go. The next event I plan is in Mörfelden on September 16th.
They test all participants there and to me it all seems very serious.
[QUOTE=BatStroke;2076913]So I'm thinking of attending an SG party not too far in the future. Quite a few of the girls who perform there look delic! Since it would be my first time I'd appreciate some feedback from members who've been?
1. Usually how many guys turn up for these events. What's the ratio like?
2. Do they just do HIV / Syphilis testing? Any other tests?
3. Has anyone ever gotten infected after visiting?
4. Do they serve alcohol there?
5. On avg. What's the play time like (5-7 hours?
Any and all feedback is welcome!
Thanks![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Leifeide;2079172]It is interesting to read the different opinions we all seems to have. I have probably attended to 10 or so, events with Spermagames. Every time I have left with a big smile on my face. [/QUOTE]How was the service from the party stripper?
SG Party in Moerfelden / Frankfurt on Monday 28th August, girls were Gundula, Dacada, Elina & Alice. This was my first time at an SG Party, I arrived just after 11 am when the Love Lounge opened, paid EUR 130. I got tested for HIV & Syphilis, had a coffee then the action kicked off just before noon. Throughout the afternoon I shagged Gundula, Dacada & Elina, I never got around to Alice. I think the best performer was Elina, although Dacada has the sexiest body. Everything was AO, there was a bowl of condoms in the room that I never saw get touched, don't ask me how they comply with the new laws as I'm far from an expert. Most positive aspect of the party I would say is that all the girls went at it with enthusiasm and tried their best to give all guys a good time. Most negative aspect I feel is the venue, the Love Lounge is way too small & cramped a venue for the amount of guys that were passing through the place. Also there was a bit of pussy blocking behaviour by some guys at times which was annoying. I left at about 4 pm despite that event went on until 10 pm, I'd already had my fill. Overall I had a good time, I would go to another SG Party again but not at that venue.
The girls loved them!
[QUOTE=Myrrh;2079258]How was the service from the party stripper?[/QUOTE]