10th of May, If I may add....
I hope no one was visiting Monterrey these past few days cause we are celebrating Mother's Day, and unlike in the USA we celebrate it on the previous and on the 10th, not on a Sunday as they do in the USA.
Perhaps those visiting us may have noticed a lot of movement on the 9th, at Reforma St, Cuahutemoc and Pino Suarez.
We had lots of movement after 8:15 pm cause there was a major soccer game... one of the local teams lost the first of 2 games, so the locals leaving the game at that time and coming from the North (Cuahutemoc to the North leads to the stadium) might have seem angry... logicly angry.
Also the night of the 9th is the start of Mother's Day celebration, so the city just plain turns out to celebrate mom.
Ergo, clubs, MPs, strip clubs, Barrio Antiguo are just plain slow or dead.
Not to mention today, the 10th, when 90% of the regular businesses close after midday just to be with our moms.
More than half of the working girl manifest of the clubs ans businesses stay at home, cause they themselves are mothers, so they just take it easy on the 10th.
Maybe that's why the city is slow...
Pretty bad days to come here.
Monterrey 301-Observations...Questions...Speculation???
If funds are limited, Monterrey is NOT going to satify. If you're concentrating your efforts on street girls, massage girls, and door girls, then I suspect the quality of selection might be even less attractive than what might be available in other parts of Mexico for less money. I suspect that even in other parts of Mexico, girls that are choosing to work those lower end venues may even be more attractive and charming than what you will find on the street, in the doorways, and in the massage parlors of Monterrey.
There simply isn't a street walker scene in Monterrey, not one of any consequence, certainly nothing to visit Monterrey for...Plus, with respect to massage parlor girls, I just haven't found many that are attractive enough to entice me. There are some that are doable, but not that many. I have literally in the past, run all over downtown to each and everyone of them, a task that will literally take you hours just to stick your head in the door and do a cursory assessment of selection quality at each massage parlor.
Nor have I found but just a few standing on Reforma that I would even remotely consider. Plus, there is the disease factor that always scares me off with the door girls. They are not regulated by the health department in Monterrey, and the potential for "problems" is significantly greater. So, I avoid them. Plus, their motice operandi is more akin to what you find in TJ or at the border...more money to remove a top, always getting you in the room and then extorting more money for everything...you know the drill.
I have a theory about this availability issue in Monterrey versus other parts of Mexico, some observations, some questions...
First, Monterrey, because it's an expensive city, attracts the best looking girls from all over Mexico. The best looking, best personalities always go to the strip clubs first. The "notorious" recent visitor to Monterrey recently mentioned that there must be at least 90 strip clubs in Monterrey. He is probably conservative in that estimate.
Anyway, the girls that come to Monterrey from all over Mexico usually go to whichever category of strip clubs they are appropriate to, high end, medium, or low end, based not just necessarily on their physical appearance, although that does seem to correlate to some degree, but also on their ability to talk to customers, to charm customers for drinks, and according to their skill level at delivering the goods in the privados.
So, most of the lookers are working in the many, many, huge multitude of strip clubs. If they are lookers you will not typically find them in the massage parlors, on the streets, in the hotel doorways, etc...The ones that have lesser personalities will typically work in the lower end bars, such as El Infinito, El Cielo, Matehuala, etc...the three of which are actually categorized in my mind as the high end, low end bars...believe me there are a lot more low end bars in Monterrey that make those three bars look like they are Shangrala.
Then, the girls will gravatate toward the medium and high end bars depending on their skill levels selling drinks. I really don't know what distinguishes the medium end bars, Harem, Pasarelas, TVO, Azul Tequila, Casino, Bahamas, etc...from the high end bars, Prestige, Obsession, Amnesia, Poission, etc...in the minds of the girls with respect to earning potential.
I guess the girls figure that the guys in the high end bars are high rollers, austensibly parting with their money more freely than in the medium level bars. But, from their prospective, in making a decision between whether to work in the high end bars or the medium level bars, I don't really know if there is really much of a difference between them from the sole perspective of their own perceived earning potential.
So, all that having been said about the strip clubs...your best lookers will be found first in the strip clubs, with graduated levels of quality all the way down to what you find standing on the street corner on Colon, and in the room girls on Reforma. The massage parlor girls are somewhere in between, but on the decidely medium/lower end of the spectrum.
So, if you frequent the massage parlors, you will typically find the girls to be older, fatter, and uglier than the strip clubs girls...The only exception to this might be on a rare occassion you might find a doable flaca, younger girl, that is willing to work the massage parlors because she had kids or family responsibilites and can not work afternoons or nights. So, she chooses to work days in the massage parlors where she is more easily available to work. Other than that, you will not find thin, attractive, young girls in most of the massage parlors. And, most of the massage parlors keep relatively early hours only. Most are not open past 9-10pm.
There is an exception to some of these conclusions however. If you frequent the expensive massage parlors, ones that will run you a minimum of between 600-800 pesos per session, usually for only 30-45 minutes at a time, then some of these conclusions do not apply. And, of course, there are always exceptions that are attributable to quality of personality or skill level. There are some relatively unattractive types walking around the high end strip clubs for example, not many, but some. Some of them have been there for years. They can not survive were they not able to make money on drinks, and/or deliver the goods with a skill level that far surpasses the average HOT stripper.
Plus, there are even other factors as to why a girl chooses to work here or there, factors that some may not have considered. I know of a particular girl that has a great personality, an absolute pro at soliciting drinks, but she will not work in certain clubs that may actually be more lucrative for her. Want to know why??? You won't believe it, but it's true, not only of her, but according to her, also true of many other bar girls she knows.
She has been a professional stripper for at least 5 years, and she chooses to work in a relatively low key club for less opportunity to make money because the club is not well lighted, and she can dance in the relative obscurity of the darkness on stage without feeling too embarrassed. She has a HOT body, a pretty face, and she's a very, very attactive flaca morena, but she is too embarrassed to dance in clubs that have more lighting.
I saw her once in the Casino Men's Club. She was considering working there. She was there with a few friends and she was deciding whether she might want to change clubs, just checking the place out, talking to management, perhaps deciding to dance on stage for a test run, etc...
We were sitting in the booth talking, and it was her turn to dance. She was growing increasingly nervous as her position in the dance que grew closer and closer in time. Then, abruptly when her time was up, she decided that she did not like the club, and she told me she had decided not to work there. She later told me that she did not like lighting on stage at Casino, too much of it. The Casino Mens Club has a lot of lighting on stage, a lot of patrons in the bar gawking at the girls on stage. The bar she works in now, the Extasis, doesn't have nearly the numbers of patrons in it, not even on a Friday night, and the stage is very, very, dimly lit. She makes considerable less dinero than she could probably make working at Casino, but she chooses to make considerably less money due to her own embarrassment factor.
So, all these factors enter into the selection available in Monterrey. I sometimes wonder if selection of street girls, massage parlor girls, and even street girls, etc...might not even be better in other cities in Mexico because the best looking, best personalities are all working in the strip clubs of Monterrey, and not typically on the streets, in the massage parlors, or the doors of hotels.
I don't mean to imply that selection is typically better in the smaller cities compared to Monterrey as a whole, but I am starting to wonder if quality of selection in the lower end venues such as street girls, massage girls, and door girls might not be better per capita than what one might find in the same venues of Monterrey...simply because the best graduation of quality of selection is already working in the strip clubs and not those other lower end venues. And, of course, with this potential, I am also assuming that relative lower cost in the smaller cities might also make the comparative selection in the smaller cities seem superior in those lower end venues to what is avaiable in those same lower end venues in Monterrey.
The USA is no-man's land...
I have to concur with Carlos with respect to the potential that is available to one living in Monterrey. I have found some really great girlfriends in Monterrey over time, even after only being able to visit once a month for a week at a time, which is not even close to the amount of time that Carlos has available to him to work a plan patiently every week, several days a week actually.
I've been able to get to know a number of girls that I would have been able to turn into "real" girlfriends, ones that, if I had actually lived there, I know would have turned out to be real "novias" in the strictest sense of the word.
Those same kinds of GFE sessions are available much more easily in the other venues it seems, but none-the-less, the opportunity to experience GFE is available in Monterrey. And, if I lived there, I am also confident that the cost would be certainly less than what it would cost me to travel to other venues, even with respect to cost per session.
I do know that the same opportunity does NOT exist in the US, so I routinely travel to the destination that I can most easily justify, Monterrey. But, I must admit, at times, I do become frustrated after having experienced what the rest of the World has to offer compared to the lengthy effort required of Monterrey.
Monterrey does require more work than the other venues, and the cost per session is "INITIALLY" much higher. But, the quality of experience, once the ground work has been completely, is second to none comparatively worldwide.
Were I living in Monterrey, I suspect I might feel the same way about it as Carlos with respect to ROI (Return on Investment) as compared to worldwide travel to monger. But, since I must travel regardless, and I must travel where I can justify it, Monterrey offers an experience that I simply can not experience in the US, period. Some fun is better than none, verdad?
[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Being local all my life (48 years now) and 25 years of doing night rounds nonstop, once in a while I have considered dream visits to SEA and SA.
Nope... can't agree as you say JdFlores.
No way can you monetarly justify a trip... just airfare kills you (specially SEA) and just to be there for a few days and then a vast amount of days, months between trips ... nope.
What I spend in money here all month long (visits to the Obsession and Prestige lunch buffets, visits to Infinito, Harem, Casino, Bahamas, Rancho Loco) would only give me 5 days at Medellin.
I wouldn't exchange that for the girls I have at the clubs and the fun I have with them... and all that just a car drive away.
And for our American friends... well, they are here for business or because it's easier for them to reach our destination. Not the other way around.
They are like us, they just can't go elsewhere....[/QUOTE]
