Moscow

Thanks guys, especially Doc. Single mom usually do come with more emotional bagage but on the flip side are less into looks and more into a good provider (not neccesarily a "sugar daddy"). I have the best luck meeting them on the internet as well just is everyday outing's as many seem to stuck in dead end jobs.

Can't wait for the day I can finally make down to Moscow !

Still planning for Moscow last week of June. St. Pete may be off the itinerary since my pal there had to leave town suddenly with a black eye.

Are there any good towns near Moscow (ie a few hours by train) to stay a night or two and have fun with the local gals? I've RTFF for "other areas" in Russia (great reading guys), but still no idea of the travel distances. Ufa looks interesting.

[QUOTE=Lorenzo Rome] pro who speak english.
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From what I can tell, "I speak English" is a signal that "I charge 3 or 4 times as much as everybody else."

In my travels I have never had a problem with language; we both know what I'm after. :-)

A question for all: Other than the obvious "how do I get there," is there a reason to fret about the "I don't speak Russki" issue?

GT:

Great to see guys thinking outside of the box!

Trolling outside clubs is a great idea, although there are a couple of concerns.

Generally if you see a crowd outside of a club it is a good sign... it means the club is popular. The crowd can be there for 3 reasons:

1) there is face control and they are lined up waiting to get inside (if they get inside at all). This could mean either the club is full or simply (and more commonly) that the club has a strict face control policy in an effort to maintain or establish the club as one of Moscow's elite exclusive "in" clubs.

2) there is a cover charge and people are lined up to pay. You will find cover charges on the weekends at most mid-level clubs, usually between 150-300 rubles ($5-10).

3) the crowd is just outside to have a breather, get reception on their phones or meet friends. These people have already been inside and have a stamp for reentry.

There are definitely lots of opportunities to meet people in front of the club, that is for sure. Please note the following however:

A) elite clubs:

Elite clubs like Dagilev or First do not have cover charges, they all have free entrance (except for maybe on some special event nights like Halloween, New Year etc.). The deal is, you either get in or you dont. Unless you have a club card, there is no guarantee that you'll get in. I've never personally tried to bribe my way in to a club, but have seen people (usually expats) try to bribe the face control with 500 rubles and get rejected. The best clubs can afford to turn people away and in fact live by the perceived exclusivity of their club. Face control for girls is even stricter than it is for guys. The clubs want rich and important guys in the club and beautiful or important girls in the clubs trying to meet the rich and important guys. Face control is completely unpredictable... I've seen really hot chicks brutally denied (they even broke down crying in shame) and totally hideous people get in. It can also be harder to get in with a girl than without... so if you select a girl outside to help her get in the club, there is no guarantee that you will get in and she may actually hinder your entrance.

You can buy a club card, but for a good club this will set you back at least $500... and there is no guarantee that you will even be able to buy one. And a club card does not mean you can just bring in anyone or however many people you want. Once I actually had one of my gfs denied entrance with me at a club where I actually had a club card (a gift from the former First art director) because she looked too young and dressed too sluttily (I wasnt complaining, I like that look...)... she really does look like she's early teens even though she just turned 20 and she has to show ID everywhere, which makes me feel delightfully debauched. We ended up going to Fabrique on that night instead (by the way Fab is a nice pseudo-elite club not far from the Baltshug Kempinski Hotel), but the 3 minute "walk of shame" from the former First location (has since moved) to Fabrique was quite embarassing with my jail-bait look-a-like bride in tow. Actually, a Russian guy probably would have just went into First and left his girl standing on the street with the crowd wanting to get in... :)

So in terms of elite clubs, you might find great girls outside waiting to get in who will be very grateful if you get them in, but you should be very confident that you will in fact get in with her. It can work though, as 109 (a fellow ISG member and Moscow's resident strip club expert) used the "I'll help you in the club" method with success on a few occasions.... but also had a club card in hand assuring at least his own entrance.

As far as getting into elite clubs in general, its an imperfect science, but you shouldnt be intimidated. Well-dressed 35+ years, confident and made of money is a look that works wonders in Moscow.

B) mid-level clubs with entrance fee:

Mid-level clubs like Park Avenue Disco, Neo, Lionheart etc. do charge cover on the weekends and a lot of the girls there won't have much money, so the idea is a good one. Nonetheless most girls who do go there will have enough money to at least get in, at least I've never noticed any crowd of girls trying to get in and not having the $5 it takes to get a ticket. Where you might have better luck is at venues with concerts, such as B2 or 16 Tons, which have concerts charging cover of $10-20. I have invited girls in before at concerts and on more than one occasion it did lead to TLS (Temporary Love Syndrome) with a Hollywood-esque happy ending.

I definitely like your idea though, and you should at least try it. The main key to success in Russia, and I cant emphasize this enough, is to simply talk to a lot of girls. Any number of schemes or methods might work, but the important thing is to make contact and go with them... you never know where a simple question or comment might lead. If you speak English to them, many will wave you off or shrug their shoulders as they dont understand, but occasionally one will bite. It really doesnt hurt to try.

One trick I have used with success is inviting girls in a club to another club. Particularly if the club you are in is not happening, you can suggest going to another club or even straight to your apartment for some drinks... and take her whole horde with you if she is shy about leaving alone with a guy... which she often will be. A lot of the girls really only have enough money to go to a single club and buy 1-2 drinks. You can definitely put your money to work here. This can also work with girls leaving a club, asking them to go somewhere else with you or back to your apartment to have a drink, but this last chance grasp at glory will just as often fail as well.

Found some girls in Moscow who agree for photoshootings. I mean hot pix. Looking for friends who's interested for sharing price. If anybody interested PM me.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]

Elite clubs like Dagilev or First do not have cover charges, they all have free entrance (except for maybe on some special event nights like Halloween, New Year etc.). The deal is, you either get in or you dont. .... I've seen really hot chicks brutally denied (they even broke down crying in shame) and totally hideous people get in. [/QUOTE]This just gets better and better!

Dyevs in distress who are not beautiful or important enough to get passed face control, but pretty enough to try, and have just had their plans for the evening upset. Perhaps they are in need of some drinks and attention by an elegant foreign gentleman? I don't mind being Plan B!

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Once I actually had one of my gfs denied entrance with me at a club where I actually had a club card because she looked too young and dressed too sluttily ....[/QUOTE]Too young and slutty??? Isn't that an oxymoron?
I hope you were able to comfort her and allow her to restore her self-esteem by demonstrating that she was perfectly young and slutty for you!![/QUOTE][QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]So in terms of elite clubs, you might find great girls outside waiting to get in who will be very grateful if you get them in, but you should be very confident that you will in fact get in with her. [/QUOTE]This sounds like a "no lose" situation, so long as you don't promise to get her in, but simply try. If you have already been in, you've got a hand stamp that guarantees re-entry. If you get her in, you're her hero and date for now. If you are leading her in as your guest and get rejected - it is her shortcoming. Then she is ripe for an invitation elsewhere, while you make the supreme sacrifce of forgoing the pleasures of the exclusive club to be with sub-standard, insecure her! Again, maybe you can restore her self-esteem.

GT

[QUOTE=It Travel]... drinking too muck vodka, liking caviar, eating to much (so I'm 15 kg more than I should be), and how log is my cock...

I thank that everybody reading alaredy knows that'm liking girls, specially teens, stpecially CIM, COF and taking them anally!...
All this is no secret! Ah Ah Ah...

IT[/QUOTE]

The key word here is "READING" :). Does anybody know for sure?

GT/Doc:

My view is - why trying outside the club if there are enough beauties in?

I tried in the last 10 years I am travelling to Moscow/Russia a lot, bad, medium and elitny clubs. Getting oldedr, I only go to the so called elitny clubs. Why joining anything else then the best? If you get in, you will find for sure what you want. There are more then enough very beautiful "freebies" in which like to catch one of the elite guys. And usually a guy get in such a club they respect as en elite man and a potenital candiate for them. I never had any problem to catch in a club such as Leto/Ocen/Zima, First, Billionaire etc. a really beautiful model type girl. The girls waiting outside are usually just not fulfilling the clubs requirements and you can belive that the face control is experienced and know very well to do a good job.

The easiest way to get in is to have a contact to the club such as to the owner, the art director , security and beeing therefore on the guest/VIP list. All other ways are not sure, even having a club card does not grant to get in. It is Moscow and there are in general not "legal" rules for such things... I had several times the problem I get easy in but must let a girl or some "collegues" outside. Helpful in Moscow is always to be selfconfident. Be arogant to the sevurty, ask always where the VIP entrance is resp. go directly to the VIP entrance and show how important you are! And, do not drive before the door with an ugly, shity Shiguly taxi:-) Either let it stop 200 meters before or rent you a driver resp. a car which proofes you are a VVIP!

Being in this elitny clubs is really a great experience. I personally prefer these experiences much more then a fuck with a good pro. Had in the past such amazing stories with and each contact opens you new doors to Moscows elitny world. With the time you can get quite familiar with!

Cicciolino:

Thanks for your club insight! I dont live in Moscow and only visit the elite clubs every second month or so. When in Moscow I prefer the "Moscow mix"... student clubs, internet dating, mid-level clubs, elite clubs and occasional pros.

Like I already wrote, I also doubt the practicality or purpose of trolling in front of the elite clubs... unless you are more or less guaranteed entrance by one means or another. Nonetheless, I personally will try anything at least once... and like the way GT is thinking and scheming...

GT's enquiry is however for a first time visitor to Moscow without any connections or experience with Moscow face control etc. Certainly the "playing field" for the first-time visitor is more limited than that of one with experience, connections and an understanding of language and culture. Essentially a first time visitor is looking to score a decent chick anyway he can, at least that is the way I would be thinking.

I personally often have just as much fun or more fun with young student type girls than pretentious wanna-be model types. Maybe I relate to students better, which is a testament to my relative (im)maturity... :) I also find that many of the girls in elite clubs are hopelessly shallow and false, but they certainly do have "all the right parts in all the right places"... I've seen fellow ISG member Shostakovich in action and he is even more adept than I at scoring model-type babes, its his preferred market... I usually am attracted to and succesful with the very pretty, young but more petite type.

I also find that the more interesting "elite" girls can be found at the "art" elite clubs like Gazgolder or Mix and not necessarily at the ultra-glam places like the Zeppelin group (Leto/Osen/Zima) or First/Dagilev etc.

To each his own though, as I plan my next Moscow trip juggling through business priorities again I realize I will only have 2 or 3 free nights... I will have to prioritize... Dagilev vs. First vs. Mio vs. Cabaret vs. Skazka vs. a house party at home with jacuzzi, champagne and two teenagers from B2 is a tough call, but its wonderful to have so many excellent choices to choose from... viva la Moscow!

Thanks Doc Skank and others for great insights into the Moscow scene.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank] GT's enquiry is however for a first time visitor to Moscow without any connections ... Essentially a first time visitor is looking to score a decent chick anyway he can, at least that is the way I would be thinking.[/QUOTE] I'm in the same boat as GT, although I'll be a second-time visitor - first visit was in 1990 as a young revolutionary. ;) Like GT, I'll be looking at various ways of enjoying pleasant female company in Moscow, but my time will be limited to about a week, so I'll start my research a few weeks before the trip.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]I personally often have just as much fun or more fun with young student type girls than pretentious wanna-be model types. [/QUOTE] Doc, so would I! But since I'm over 40 (sniff, although all the girls say I look 30s, of course ;)), I wouldn't even try for young student types. I tend to go for mid to late 20s, and I'm sure there are plenty around.


[QUOTE=Rus Love]Found some girls in Moscow who agree for photoshootings. I mean hot pix. Looking for friends who's interested for sharing price. If anybody interested PM me.[/QUOTE]Rus, can you wait until June? I'll bring my own camera. :)

Doc is absoltely right saying that the mix is interesting. All what I tried to say is why always cathcing pros while a lot of other, more interesting things are available. I am immatriculated at MGU and MGIMO. From time to time I show there up to improve my "poor" language skills.

Sure, elitny clubs is one amazing thing, really great, but that's for the weekends.

Students are another great thing. Being as well a "student" opens a lot of doors at the university. There happend f.e. the story that a student (girl) catch me at the door the the internet cafe at MGU and ask me for "fire". Smoking together a cigarette, the next question has been my cell phone number. At ten in the evening I got a phone call with the question if I am alone at home and if this situation should be changed for that night. A 30 minutes later I got a visit from a beautiful, very intersting and intelligent lady, just to enjoy a nice time together without any other obligations. She wanted fun and learn something (?) about other countires etc... Such stories happend several times and I am sure gonna happen in future again and can happen for each one of us. Do not forget, MGU is big, over 40'000 students, a lot of girls, quite liberal, there is for sure someone for your taste.

Another way to meet good girls are cultural events such as concerts, theater, operas... The opportunities are unlimited and it is a lot of fun to catch a real girl in the free nature instead of paying pros. At least for me the fun is much higher.

Sure, from time to time a good pro action is not bad but go sometimes another way. That's a great opportunity to learn about the russian way of life, about the russian soul, about the russian culture.

Maybe once you will start to love this great country so much as me :-)

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]The key word here is "READING" :). Does anybody know for sure?[/QUOTE]I wast just saying what you could describe on me (if we met)... even that if I am too drunk (not so often) It usually do not become hard! :( ...

But it's quite normal.

I think here the keyword is Exchange (in matter of experiences). ;)

IT

I would like to buy a special gift for my girl friend; a necklace in white gold with one or a combination of Sapphire, Emerald, Diamond and/or Ruby.

It's not our anniversary or a special day. I don't want to buy lingerie or shoes or another cell phone. Money is not a problem, it’s gone cost me $300 at most but it’s meaning is more important than the price tag.

Do the precious stones mean anything in Russian culture?

I am aware that Russian women love expensive gifts more than rest of the others but Russians also put meanings on everything.

Maybe more symbolic meanings than others. Ex: Flowers should be in odd numbers unless it's a funeral.

Any thoughts…


Helena,

What about on women’s perspective???

[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]I would like to buy a special gift for my girl friend; a necklace in white gold with one or a combination of Sapphire, Emerald, Diamond and/or Ruby.

Do the precious stones mean anything in Russian culture?

Helena,

What about on women’s perspective???[/QUOTE]

Dear Big Bro =))
Of course, precious stones mean something. The more precious the stone, the more you show that you value the girl =))))) We do like to get jewelries as presents. Very important thing is quality of stones -for some girls, like myself, for ex., low quality (or small size) stone may seem like abuse and waste of money. But if a thing is tasteful and precious enough, it's OK, pleasant. The stones themselves don't mean anything special. The only exeption is pearls - some people think that if you get pearls it means that soon you'll cry. Pearls are sometimes called "widows stone". And they always must go as a set (chain+ring+earings or at least ring+earings), never as a separate thing - it's bad luck. But some women still like pearls very much, just you have to check it before you buy.
White gold, saphare, emerald and ruby - sounds like nice combination. It's now big fashion to mix stones.

I've never met a girl who complained when I gave her a pearl necklace. Except for sometimes when I sprayed some of the pearls into her hair. They hate that.

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