Lisbon

What I'll do is. Advise people to stay away from ignorant reporting.

If you had bothered to either do your own homework or simply ASK, you would have discovered Ariana Pilar has a low rating (and that despite her being Carolina's duo partner). Also, I think it's been years since anyone had anything positive to say about Tantric Moments anywhere, and they've always been an HJ-only place.

Your story screams that you went about things all the wrong way. I post about Cascais regularly, and have a great time in most cases.

This reads like a Kevin's Yelp review. Lisbon rocks. It has its own culture, but so does everywhere else. I don't get why people rave about German brothels, but you don't see me posting on German forums that they suck.

[QUOTE=Avivis;2818149]Hi guys,

As usual I report from another city around the world. See my other reports, from Kiev to Rio via Bogota and more.

Lisbon, is a city to avoid. 90% bad experiences for me, maybe a few mediocre. I had one good experience with Caroline Belmont but she stopped working unfortunately.

Went to a massage called Tantric Moments: [URL]https://www.tantricmoments.pt/en/[/URL] - got in with a smiling Brazilian with huge fake boobs. Got a very low quality massage with handjob at the end. No pussy touching. No kissing. 180 euro for one hour. Waste of money. I tried to check what is happening in other massage parlours. Got in, usually only two girls on the shift, not something thrilling, so I decided to pass and go back to the hotel.

I tried to book some girls from apartadox, most of them wanted 150 euro per hour, but since my hotel was in Cascais they wanted extra 30 euro to get here. I said I will book the Uber, but no, they wanted me to charge up their phone or pass the money upfront through a different shadey way. Now this for me is a very RED flag so I decided not to book any of them. Eventually I found a girl that was chatty on the phone and agreed for me to call her an Uber.

So I booked the girl called Ariana Pilar [URL]https://www.apartadox.com/acompanhante-de-luxo-ariana-pilar-6673[/URL] and it was a disappointment:

1. The good things: She arrived on time. She charged 150 euro for hour. She is not ugly but not good looking either.

2. Bad things: She is not the girl from the photos. She have darker skin. Dirty colour blonde hair.

3. She was very boring in bed. Not terrible just again, boring.

4. We took a shower, had vanilla quiet sex and she left.

I sometimes pay 800 euros for an hour for BDSM girls in Berlin. I can pay a lot. I can pay a bit (in Colombia) but I expect value per money. This was not it. Even the Brazilian girls which in Brazil are so much fun transform to be boring in Lisbon. Go figures.

I have yet to find something worth it in Lisbon. Stay away.

Aviv.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ExExpatriate;2818352]What I'll do is. Advise people to stay away from ignorant reporting.[/QUOTE]Exactly! With so many useful posts and "field reports", you can only go wrong if you choose to ignore them.

Good points. I find it hard to believe that a person wouldn't find in Lisbon the type of service they are looking for. It's not as if Lisbon ladies are highly conservative or not up for certain things. After all, whether it's a FKK (e.g.) or not, ultimately you're having sex with a lady. Perhaps I'm viewing it too simplistically.

The accuracy of the advertising in Lisbon could be better, as you say. I was specifically looking for a bit of fetish fun, and contacted a couple of other ladies who had BDSM listed, as back-up in case Joana wasn't available. However, when I mentioned it to them, they said they didn't provide it (for example, Sofia Sampaio). More care should be taken to ensure the lady does provide the services listed.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2818346]Harry1217, Thank you for the Joanna review. I wish I had been able to see her, but such is life with EP, even when you try to book in advance. And thanks for the groundbreaking Ana Lucia review.

If you take the time to read Avivis's reviews, they are about 85 to 90 percent negative experiences, and if I recall correctly he prefers CBJ instead of BBBJ.

I doubt that there are any other board participants exactly like him. If there are, tgey would be advised to stay away from Lisbon. And perhaps this activity entirely if a person is displeased 85 to 90 percent of the time.

While it isn't as bad as with him, it happens a lot in the forums. A guy who enjoys FKKs who writes for 10 pages trying to find a German FKK in Spain or Portugal ends up disappointed when the experience isn't like a German FKK even when told that no FKKs exist in Spain or Portugal.

I believe I remember that Avivis also dislikes Portuguese food and other customs. Personally, I like the food and the hour or hour and a half of GFE in the room.

Are criticisms valid? Of course. Portugal really doesn't have a BDSM scene, unlike London which obviously does (with dims, switches and subs). But a not insignificant portion of London full-service BDSM providers are CBJ only, which honestly ruins the session for me. When it comes to valid criticisms, Sarah Valente's ad sometimes appears on the BDSM section of Apartadox. It shouldn't, since she doesn't seem to actually do that. Same with anal. EP should quit teasing on items where the ladies rarely deliver. Joanna's review on the Britain site says she does some mild submissive BDSM when comfortable with the customer. Same with Marcela Moniz, who is also anal friendly.

The best way to get the information is to read the reviews. And Lisbon is a soft-pedal place. It is probably best to ask about fetish activities about half-way through the session if the lady seems to feel comfortable with you, and be ready for it to be nicely rejected. That is how I had a tremendous session with EP's long-departed Ana Castro. Portugal sessions are pretty GFE standard, including BBBJ, as can be gleaned from most of the pages. Not sure really what Avivis is looking for in a perfect session, but Portugal doesn't do it for him.

But for the 98 percent of posters who have almost all great sessions in Portugal, so do not say Stay Away, we say, You Should Try Portugal. But as with food, learn to appreciate what is offered in the local culture, not what you want from another culture, or from your imagined hopes and dreams.

Are there ladies to avoid? Of course. EP's Fabiana Lopes just got a dismal review from an experienced reviewer on the local board. But plenty of recommended ladies to see, also.[/QUOTE]

I suppose we should ALL be grateful when an angry thumb scores only known poor performers. Serving such a person must be unpleasant. I wouldn't wish that on the ladies I like or wish to call upon in the future. Even from a practical point of view -- bad experiences contribute to burn out.

Hi,

Got some nice (and not so nice) responses to my Lisbon review. I would like to fine-tune it.

First of all, it is my recommendation and taste. I somehow couldn't connect to any of the girls vibe, communication and eventually sexual encounter (massage, or escort) and due to time constraint (and payment) I couldn't test ALL the ladies. Unfortunately MY experience was not good and I basically think that sexually mongering is better else where. Even Madrid with VIVE for example. But it is still just MY experience and trying to reflect it to others.

I would like to correct a few things from my previous trip to Lisbon last year. This time I had more time to travel around Portugal and got some good recommendations for restaurants. Portugal is a beautiful place, Sintra is amazing (and huge), the views are marvellous and sea food is delicious (especially in Cascais).

The issue is that the vast majority of your experiences appear to be negative, spread across several different countries. That raises the question of whether it is the girls, or whether you should be doing this activity at all. From a quick browse of your reports, it appears you prefer a type of setting where there are lots of ladies to choose from, and you can relax and enjoy the atmosphere too (i.e. Vive madrid, FKK's etc).

Also you're going to wind people up when you've only seen a handful of ladies in Lisbon, and you advise people to stay away from the place, against a backdrop of plenty of positive reports on this forum.

I understand you're Spanish so I would be surprised if you didn't like your fellow Iberian country, unless of course you're not happy with your home country and perhaps the Iberian peninsula isn't the place for you.

[QUOTE=Avivis;2818672]Hi,

Got some nice (and not so nice) responses to my Lisbon review. I would like to fine-tune it.

First of all, it is my recommendation and taste. I somehow couldn't connect to any of the girls vibe, communication and eventually sexual encounter (massage, or escort) and due to time constraint (and payment) I couldn't test ALL the ladies. Unfortunately MY experience was not good and I basically think that sexually mongering is better else where. Even Madrid with VIVE for example. But it is still just MY experience and trying to reflect it to others.

I would like to correct a few things from my previous trip to Lisbon last year. This time I had more time to travel around Portugal and got some good recommendations for restaurants. Portugal is a beautiful place, Sintra is amazing (and huge), the views are marvellous and sea food is delicious (especially in Cascais).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Harry1217;2818712]The issue is that the vast majority of your experiences appear to be negative, spread across several different countries. That raises the question of whether it is the girls, or whether you should be doing this activity at all. From a quick browse of your reports, it appears you prefer a type of setting where there are lots of ladies to choose from, and you can relax and enjoy the atmosphere too (i.e. Vive madrid, FKK's etc).

Also you're going to wind people up when you've only seen a handful of ladies in Lisbon, and you advise people to stay away from the place, against a backdrop of plenty of positive reports on this forum.

I understand you're Spanish so I would be surprised if you didn't like your fellow Iberian country, unless of course you're not happy with your home country and perhaps the Iberian peninsula isn't the place for you.[/QUOTE]I do have high standards.

I did had great experiences (Germany, Madrid, Kyiev, Rio, Bogota) with good reviews and reports.

Bottom line, if you try girls in random and get 1 good out of 10 in Lisbon. This is the rate I am going to give.

If you try random girls in Bogota / Germany and get 5 good or 7 good out of 10 this is the rate this country is given.

Of course if you read 200 pages in the forum and finds. One good service girl. That does not make this country a good place for mongering.

Go to Germany. You will enjoy more. Here is a 150/200 euro p / hour escort agency I had very good experiences (more than 5 times) with in Berlin escort77. Berlin. Sorry if I offended someone but truth had to be told and it is a good practice to report so others will know.

Fore me: Avoid Lisbon.

[QUOTE=Avivis;2818967]Of course if you read 200 pages in the forum and finds. One good service girl. That does not make this country a good place for mongering.[/QUOTE]I don't know if your problem is one of math or of reading. But one of them it sure is.

[QUOTE=KamaLeo;2819457]I don't know if your problem is one of math or of reading. But one of them it sure is.[/QUOTE]I discovered the "ignore" function, and set some of our participants with problems to ignore. Seeing as how they know so much better than anyone else, they clearly don't need any help.

I was in Lisbon a few weeks ago for a week and used a variety of services. I joined SA about a month prior to my arrival based on the recommendation of a friend. It worked out well. I chatted with a few ladies and made several dates. The first of which happened on the day of my arrival. The young lady met me at my hotel 7 pm and we headed out for dinner after which she joined me in my room until dawn. Total damage was 250. I arranged to see her again the next evening and same deal. Dinner and overnight for 250. No anal but otherwise full GFE. Busy on the 3rd day and didn't get back to my hotel until later in the evening. I went on escort privado and found Francisca Vilar working. Arrangements were easy and she met me outside of my hotel 30 min later. (security / elevator key card issues). She is 150 or 200 with anal. Good looking girl, I found her slimmer than her photos would suggest? Quite bright and can converse on a number of topics. Light french kissing, nothing deep. I found her BJ lacking. To be fair to her, I didn't provide much direction, however, she was quick and didn't slide down too deep. Lots of saliva!! She makes up for it during the main event. This girl can fuck. Multiple positions, bed, chair, and floor. Had a great time and would definitely repeat. I'd give her a 7/10. If only the BJ was better.

Last night tried my luck again with SA. Found a 24 yr old willing to go for dinner and overnight again for 250. I don't know anywhere else where one can find a young hottie willing to spend an entire evening and night for 250. Great time again and full GFE experience.

I found SA easy to navigate and had a myriad of different responses. From 150 for a couple of hours to 250 for dinner and multiple hours / overnight all the way up to 1000 for dinner and 3-4 hours. In some markets that would be a steal, but given the multitude of choices in Lisbon, they must be targeting business guys that fail to do their research.

In any event, great trip, looking forward to returning again.

Stirling.

[QUOTE=Stirling;2819774]I was in Lisbon a few weeks ago for a week and used a variety of services. I joined SA about a month prior to my arrival based on the recommendation of a friend. It worked out well. I chatted with a few ladies and made several dates. The first of which happened on the day of my arrival. The young lady met me at my hotel 7 pm and we headed out for dinner after which she joined me in my room until dawn. Total damage was 250. I arranged to see her again the next evening and same deal. Dinner and overnight for 250. No anal but otherwise full GFE. Busy on the 3rd day and didn't get back to my hotel until later in the evening. I went on escort privado and found Francisca Vilar working. Arrangements were easy and she met me outside of my hotel 30 min later. (security / elevator key card issues). She is 150 or 200 with anal. Good looking girl, I found her slimmer than her photos would suggest? Quite bright and can converse on a number of topics. Light french kissing, nothing deep. I found her BJ lacking. To be fair to her, I didn't provide much direction, however, she was quick and didn't slide down too deep. Lots of saliva!! She makes up for it during the main event. This girl can fuck. Multiple positions, bed, chair, and floor. Had a great time and would definitely repeat. I'd give her a 7/10. If only the BJ was better.

Last night tried my luck again with SA. Found a 24 yr old willing to go for dinner and overnight again for 250. I don't know anywhere else where one can find a young hottie willing to spend an entire evening and night for 250. Great time again and full GFE experience.

I found SA easy to navigate and had a myriad of different responses. From 150 for a couple of hours to 250 for dinner and multiple hours / overnight all the way up to 1000 for dinner and 3-4 hours. In some markets that would be a steal, but given the multitude of choices in Lisbon, they must be targeting business guys that fail to do their research.

In any event, great trip, looking forward to returning again.

Stirling.[/QUOTE]Thank you very much for the reviews. Francisca Vilar relocated to Lisbon from Porto, where she received relatively good reviews consistent with yours, including the availability of anal. Also good to hear that Seeking Arrangement works well in Lisbon.

[URL]https://escortprivada.com/escort/francisca-vilar/[/URL]

Frankly, I would do the SA thing all the time, except my schedule / situation makes it pretty unpredictable if I'll have that kind of latitude.

I had a thing going with a semi-retired escort, who was very popular during her incall days. She dropped out during the Pandemic, but continued to do outcall with me. She was great company, a gorgeous woman just crossing 40. A typical rendezvous would be our bedroom side (2 to 3 hours, BB, I paid for 2 hours), followed by lunch and an afternoon stroll. All told, a 5 to 6 hour date.

The format suited me very well, ideal really. The thing is, she was a unicorn: we were both available only during the late morning and early afternoon. She threw herself at me during that window, once or twice per visit. Ah, I'll miss her for years to come.

But yes. I dabbled in SA, and found that some of the ladies acted as if they weren't in a truly excellent city for escorting. Some of the best incall ladies in Lisbon will do an overnight with you for several hundred euros, so anyone asking a thousand has GPS. Just stop and realize that EP charges 150/h, and while the roster is quite mixed, some of them are very good... and those girls are splitting with the agency!

[QUOTE=Stirling;2819774]I was in Lisbon a few weeks ago for a week and used a variety of services. I joined SA about a month prior to my arrival based on the recommendation of a friend. It worked out well. I chatted with a few ladies and made several dates. The first of which happened on the day of my arrival. The young lady met me at my hotel 7 pm and we headed out for dinner after which she joined me in my room until dawn. Total damage was 250. I arranged to see her again the next evening and same deal. Dinner and overnight for 250. No anal but otherwise full GFE. Busy on the 3rd day and didn't get back to my hotel until later in the evening. I went on escort privado and found Francisca Vilar working. Arrangements were easy and she met me outside of my hotel 30 min later. (security / elevator key card issues). She is 150 or 200 with anal. Good looking girl, I found her slimmer than her photos would suggest? Quite bright and can converse on a number of topics. Light french kissing, nothing deep. I found her BJ lacking. To be fair to her, I didn't provide much direction, however, she was quick and didn't slide down too deep. Lots of saliva!! She makes up for it during the main event. This girl can fuck. Multiple positions, bed, chair, and floor. Had a great time and would definitely repeat. I'd give her a 7/10. If only the BJ was better.

Last night tried my luck again with SA. Found a 24 yr old willing to go for dinner and overnight again for 250. I don't know anywhere else where one can find a young hottie willing to spend an entire evening and night for 250. Great time again and full GFE experience.

I found SA easy to navigate and had a myriad of different responses. From 150 for a couple of hours to 250 for dinner and multiple hours / overnight all the way up to 1000 for dinner and 3-4 hours. In some markets that would be a steal, but given the multitude of choices in Lisbon, they must be targeting business guys that fail to do their research.

In any event, great trip, looking forward to returning again.

Stirling.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for the reports on SA and Francisca Vilar. Great to hear that you had such a good trip.

Francisca Vilar has two sets of pictures on EP, as do some other girls (whilst others have different pictures across different websites). She looks more attractive on the top set of pictures, but from your report I suspect the bottom set is more representative.

Your report on SA has given me food for thought. I've considered it before, but always ended up opting for the convenience of booking escorts. I've also worried about the risks of meeting a complete stranger via SA I've seen scams and worse reported.

I agree that 250 for dinner and an overnight with a hot young lady, is good. The real value is when having overnights (for shorter bookings it's not such a discount to escort rates). Suspect that my reluctance for overnights may mean I don't do SA but you've got me thinking again!

Similar SA rates have been reported in places like Barcelona but a chap on another board who has used SA in various European countries, has reported that Lisbon is one of the best both for quality of girls and also rates. London has a bigger pool of ladies to choose from, as you'd expect, but a common overnight rate appears to be e500-600, and he reports that you have to scroll through more ladies in London to find the attractive ones.

[QUOTE=Stirling;2819774]I was in Lisbon a few weeks ago for a week and used a variety of services. I joined SA about a month prior to my arrival based on the recommendation of a friend. It worked out well. I chatted with a few ladies and made several dates. The first of which happened on the day of my arrival. The young lady met me at my hotel 7 pm and we headed out for dinner after which she joined me in my room until dawn. Total damage was 250. I arranged to see her again the next evening and same deal. Dinner and overnight for 250. No anal but otherwise full GFE. Busy on the 3rd day and didn't get back to my hotel until later in the evening. I went on escort privado and found Francisca Vilar working. Arrangements were easy and she met me outside of my hotel 30 min later. (security / elevator key card issues). She is 150 or 200 with anal. Good looking girl, I found her slimmer than her photos would suggest? Quite bright and can converse on a number of topics. Light french kissing, nothing deep. I found her BJ lacking. To be fair to her, I didn't provide much direction, however, she was quick and didn't slide down too deep. Lots of saliva!! She makes up for it during the main event. This girl can fuck. Multiple positions, bed, chair, and floor. Had a great time and would definitely repeat. I'd give her a 7/10. If only the BJ was better.

Last night tried my luck again with SA. Found a 24 yr old willing to go for dinner and overnight again for 250. I don't know anywhere else where one can find a young hottie willing to spend an entire evening and night for 250. Great time again and full GFE experience.

I found SA easy to navigate and had a myriad of different responses. From 150 for a couple of hours to 250 for dinner and multiple hours / overnight all the way up to 1000 for dinner and 3-4 hours. In some markets that would be a steal, but given the multitude of choices in Lisbon, they must be targeting business guys that fail to do their research.

In any event, great trip, looking forward to returning again.

Stirling.[/QUOTE]

Hi All,

Have been following this forum very closely for the past month or so.

I think I've managed to grasp the where to go and who to go with. Thanks for all the reports!

I will be in Lisbon for a week in Mid-June, so hoping I can see some action and revert back with any feedback.

From below. I think it's the first time I've seen 'SA' being mentioned. Can anyone help to provide more info on what 'SA' stands for?

Thanks again.

[QUOTE=Harry1217;2819799]Thank you for the reports on SA and Francisca Vilar. Great to hear that you had such a good trip.

Francisca Vilar has two sets of pictures on EP, as do some other girls (whilst others have different pictures across different websites). She looks more attractive on the top set of pictures, but from your report I suspect the bottom set is more representative.

Your report on SA has given me food for thought. I've considered it before, but always ended up opting for the convenience of booking escorts. I've also worried about the risks of meeting a complete stranger via SA I've seen scams and worse reported.

I agree that 250 for dinner and an overnight with a hot young lady, is good. The real value is when having overnights (for shorter bookings it's not such a discount to escort rates). Suspect that my reluctance for overnights may mean I don't do SA but you've got me thinking again!

Similar SA rates have been reported in places like Barcelona but a chap on another board who has used SA in various European countries, has reported that Lisbon is one of the best both for quality of girls and also rates. London has a bigger pool of ladies to choose from, as you'd expect, but a common overnight rate appears to be e500-600, and he reports that you have to scroll through more ladies in London to find the attractive ones.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnD00;2820067]Hi All,

Have been following this forum very closely for the past month or so.

I think I've managed to grasp the where to go and who to go with. Thanks for all the reports!

I will be in Lisbon for a week in Mid-June, so hoping I can see some action and revert back with any feedback.

From below. I think it's the first time I've seen 'SA' being mentioned. Can anyone help to provide more info on what 'SA' stands for?

Thanks again.[/QUOTE]It stands for Seeking Arrangement. You can read the Seeking Arrangement forum here on ISG to more fully grasp the concepts.

You need to pay a fee and join Seeking Arrangement in order to view profiles. You will then be able to converse with the ladies. Any discussion of sex should be done outside of the Seeking Arrangement messaging system. Incredibly and probably idiotically, SA is USA Based and they need to avoid any connection with sex for money.

In theory, you are going on a date when using SA. Ideally, that date will involve a meal, companionship and sex.

Sometimes sex does not occur. That makes the times and relationships in which good sex does occur more valuable. If you ever played a game of chance at a county or state fair, you can appreciate the concept. Can't value winners without you and the crowd seeing some losers.

Let me be a skeptic when it comes to Lisbon and SA with respect to a short-term visitor.

In theory, according to the SA proponents, the women are not hookers. You will hear this most often from guys frequenting countries, particularly Mexico, where there exist a multitude of lower-end, less-educated, sex workers who would simply be incapable of maintaining a conversation in English with a traveler from the first world. SA provides a mechanism for "upper-end" sex workers to have relationships that are more like dating with wealthier tourists, many of whom spend a significant length of time there. Another country in which SA is popular is the United States. It is very difficult administratively for a lady to do independent escorting in the USA There are plenty to choose from, but due to the administrative hassles such as screening, USA Independent escorts charge a lot. USA Law enforcement has taken a complete hands-off approach to SA. So it has provided a mechanism for many ladies to effectively do sex work without concerns regarding law enforcement. Sex work is frowned upon throughout the world, so the dining, conversing, and potential for a quasi-relationship with a "regular" seems to provide some psychological benefit of her not "feeling like a hooker", and it seems that not "feeling like a John" does likewise for many guys.

Now, let's cut to the chase in Lisbon for a tourist. You need to ask yourself if you are going to be there long enough to not be emotionally devastated if you are the unlucky player at the carnival game who does not when the stuffed animal prize. In other words, what if you take her for a nice meal, and she just says thanks and nothing else happens? Not terribly likely, but it could occur.

You need to ask yourself if you value the time and companionship that occurs other than sex. If so, that is great, but also ask yourself if you would prefer the certainty of booking a well-reviewed escort who is known to speak English for a long enough period of time to include a meal and perhaps some tourism. There are an endless number of them. Several EP ladies, and independents such as Carolina Belmont and Rebeca Diniz are good candidates also.

You will never convince me that many of the ladies on SA in Lisbon are not also working as escorts. One humorous post on the local board regarding the Lisbon dinner clubs involved a local John figuring out which ladies in their nice evening dresses worked as incall escorts during the day offering 30 minute sessions.

It is likely the same with SA. Sure there are women on Lisbon SA that do not work as escorts, but there are some who do. Many of us had a favorite Montreal escort who was a true stunner and a chameleon. She worked at an escort service during the day, often as an independent some evenings, did webcam most nights, and juggled twelve Sugar Daddies, several of whom thought she was exclusive with them. I am not sure she really intended for her customers to repeat that when doing reviews on the local Montreal board. She used more names than that chick we all studied about in high school psychology class, Sybil. Every market has plenty of chameleon escorts, including Lisbon. When doing SA they will not tell you they work as escorts. They will do the innocent little girl routine.

Lisbon doesn't have a poverty driven caste system for its sex workers like Mexico does. It isn't that difficult to find an English speaking escort to converse with for an hour or two in your room during sex. If you want that companionship to extend beyond your room, it isn't that difficult to find ones who will do long-term sessions that would include dinner and tourism. You aren't there to find your next kept woman, and you aren't likely wealthy enough to accomplish that anyway. While Lisbon does not have the barriers to entry for sex work that the USA And France do, it does, like all countries, have some barriers to entry, so there will certainly be some non-chameleon SA ladies.

The bottom line is this. SA has provided a very easy to use mechanism for educated, often younger, ladies to do sex work that does not feel to them like sex work. If you go through the hassles of communicating with them, and accept the risk of a disappointment occurring, you might snag a great evening with a college-aged lady who might not have otherwise done escorting. In my personal opinion, for Lisbon, it is not worth the effort and possibility of disappointment, compared to booking a reviewed and recommended escort for whatever time and activities you want. But that is just my opinion, and plenty of SA proponents would disagree. But that determination is still country specific. And Portugal is simply different than Mexico, the United States and France, and any other country you can think of.