Lisbon

[QUOTE=ExExpatriate;2823025]I would be glad to see it wither away, at least for Lisbon. I imagine it will persist in other parts of the country.

I know it was alive and well a decade ago. Although I have always disdained that sort of thing, I would cross a major SW area on my way home. It was hard to miss. I also remember seeing these SW hanging out in front of isolated back roads in different areas, places one would cross when going to the more remote beaches. So clearly the locals knew where to go look for them.[/QUOTE]It is disappearing worldwide, thank god.

[URL]https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/why-sex-workers-are-disappearing-from-our-streets/662JRP6FHESOSS6G64YROT65N4/[/URL]

I can't think of an advantage to its existence for anyone, particularly the sex workers.

Where it still appears to exist in Europe are places where there are women who simply have no resources at all, not even the funds to take out an advertisement and accept appointments on a smart phone. Of course some seed capital is necessary for incall or transportation to outcall.

Portugal seems to either forcibly detract, or not be desirable to, the lowest rung of the scene. It does not have the Asian massage places where the women live and work at the facility, eating their meals from a portable hot stove, just as it doesn't get Roma streetwalkers to join the last ranks of the few drug-addicted women still on the streets. I don't know if the relatively low Portugal price of a mid-to-upper level sex worker (compared to the rest of Europe and the Western World) simply makes Portugal of no interest to dirt poor Asian ladies and the gypsies, or if Portugal Vice has a way of shutting it down that isn't publicized.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2823029]Portugal seems to either forcibly detract, or not be desirable to, the lowest rung of the scene. It does not have the Asian massage places where the women live and work at the facility, eating their meals from a portable hot stove, just as it doesn't get Roma streetwalkers to join the last ranks of the few drug-addicted women still on the streets. I don't know if the relatively low Portugal price of a mid-to-upper level sex worker (compared to the rest of Europe and the Western World) simply makes Portugal of no interest to dirt poor Asian ladies and the gypsies, or if Portugal Vice has a way of shutting it down that isn't publicized.[/QUOTE]It died out because of internet. Before internet era girls had to actually go look for customers, now customers find them through online ads and WP. It's safer and more discrete and I like it more this way because street walkers would attract pimps and other shady individuals. If someone wants to see girl actually before you can go to brothels pretending to be massage spas, city center is filled with them. It allows the business to operate in higher-end areas of the city (like Saldanha) or residential buildings and attract customers that want to discrete.

[QUOTE=RedIce7;2823096]It died out because of internet. Before internet era girls had to actually go look for customers, now customers find them through online ads and WP. It's safer and more discrete and I like it more this way because street walkers would attract pimps and other shady individuals. If someone wants to see girl actually before you can go to brothels pretending to be massage spas, city center is filled with them. It allows the business to operate in higher-end areas of the city (like Saldanha) or residential buildings and attract customers that want to discrete.[/QUOTE]To that I would also add the legalization of the sex work, while leaving pimping / brothels illegal. While there are many fictions for working around this, it still leaves plenty of safe space for independents to operate without fear of being harassed by organized crime.

[QUOTE=ExExpatriate;2823025]I would be glad to see it wither away, at least for Lisbon. I imagine it will persist in other parts of the country.[/QUOTE]Yes, I was talking about Lisbon, the city itself. It still exists - even if less and less - along some roads nearing the larger towns.

[QUOTE=ExExpatriate;2823174]To that I would also add the legalization of the sex work, while leaving pimping / brothels illegal. [/QUOTE]Sex work was not and is not legal or illegal. It is in a comfortably grey area where girls are free to work. Brothel owners and pimping are illegal.

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2813127]Complete Idiot's Guide to Lisbon.

After reading the last 50 pages of the forum, I compiled a list of possible girls. I received some very helpful feedback from ISG members and even some contact details for a well-reviewed girl who doesn't advertise anymore. Since you can't guarantee that a specific girl will be available on a specific day, I created a long list with backup options. Most of the action in Lisbon (and Portugal in general) is independent escorts that advertise on two primary websites, Escort Privada and Apartadox. The girls on Escort Privada go to your hotel and charge 150 Euros per hour which usually includes DFK and BBBJ / CIM. The girls on Apartadox are a little cheaper at 120 Euros per hour and work out of "trick pads" or their own apartment. The Apartadox girls seem to have a shorter workday, often ending by 6 pm. That makes daytime tourism activities more difficult. Most Escort Privada girls were able to come to my hotel at 8 pm for 2 hours, which worked better with my schedule..[/QUOTE]This is a great source of information. Really appreciate it! I have a 6 hour layover in Lisbon and would like to get some outcall action based on your reviews from EP. Issue is that I don't have an overnight hotel and not sure if there are any hotels that let you book a room by the hour like in BCN. Have heard about Safira guesthouse, but not too sure how it would work out.

Any advice on how to do an outcall in this situation? Or what would be recommendation on incalls? Thanks much!

[QUOTE=AkSmith;2823774]This is a great source of information. Really appreciate it! I have a 6 hour layover in Lisbon and would like to get some outcall action based on your reviews from EP. Issue is that I don't have an overnight hotel and not sure if there are any hotels that let you book a room by the hour like in BCN. Have heard about Safira guesthouse, but not too sure how it would work out.

Any advice on how to do an outcall in this situation? Or what would be recommendation on incalls? Thanks much![/QUOTE]1) Call outcall-only escorts. Right now that means the Escort Privada girls and Catia Bom.

You don't want to bother with asking a primarily incall lady to do this, because the mark-up is steep and the chance she'll flake on you is higher.

2) You have a narrow window. Ask for appointments the day before. Most escorts are happy to take a booking one day in advance.

Unless your hotel is down by Entrecampos, Saldanha or Expo, I wouldn't bother with incall. Six hours... assuming time for a little rest, getting cleaned up, taking in a meal... you don't have much left for finding a house and getting in a good f*ck. The Uber/Taxi to and from the airport alone could chew up 40+ minutes. It's hemmed in and could be hectic UNLESS you can already walk there in like 10 minutes.

As for a low cost hotel, check the Star Inn. It's within walking distance of the airport, and the rate there is usually pretty low. Don't worry about hourly. Just get it and enjoy having the space to unwind in for several hours. The places that do charge hourly... well, the better ones are pretty far from the airport. The time and hassle might not be worth saving like 40 euros.

The elevator there is locked, but that only means you'll meet your company in the lobby. That is a common condition of these things. No one will bother you.

[QUOTE=AkSmith;2823774]This is a great source of information. Really appreciate it! I have a 6 hour layover in Lisbon and would like to get some outcall action based on your reviews from EP. Issue is that I don't have an overnight hotel and not sure if there are any hotels that let you book a room by the hour like in BCN. Have heard about Safira guesthouse, but not too sure how it would work out.

Any advice on how to do an outcall in this situation? Or what would be recommendation on incalls? Thanks much![/QUOTE]Yes, Lisbon has short-time motels, which is how locals access EP.

Just ask EP for a recommendation regarding hotels. Send your WhatsApp message to Joanna's number. It is okay to do so in English. When Joanna is not personally monitoring her phone, the assistant that helps her is the most responsive. The advantage of a group like EP is that there are multiple ladies they can send if someone flakes.

[URL]https://escortprivada.com/escort/joana-montenegro/[/URL]

For independents with a current ad who have great reviews and a history of being professional and diligent, this independent is one of the least likely to flake on you if you need an exact time for an appointment.

[URL]https://docemassagem.com/massagista/ines-3/[/URL]

Six hours is a short time frame. Some have had great luck going to the Nuru Spa (try to call or WhatsApp them before hand and explain your situation and request the Relaxing Massage). Don't be too explicit regarding sex. Most appear to do BBBJ and CFS but technically they are not allowed to do so in a licensed massage parlor, so be discreet in communicating.

[URL]https://www.nuruspas.com/en/sobre[/URL]

I'll be more specific here. I'm aware of three hourly rate "love motels," and all of them are in the exurbs. All of them are far enough out of the city that EP girls want travel money. Those look nice or very nice, but the minimum charge is for three or four hours, so the Uber + room + travel money for the girls will absolutely cost more than the Star Inn by the airport. Plus the inconvenience and lost travel time. I really think that is barking up the wrong tree, but EP may have workable solutions.

I just think you need to also treat your time as a commodity. Don't do stuff that unnecessarily whittles down your six hours. You may need them.

In Lisbon proper, the only hourly rate place I'm aware of is so seedy that I can only say "don't go there. " I feel strongly enough about it to refuse identification. And again, what is one really saving by taking an Uber back and forth from a bedbug-ridden flophouse in downtown Lisbon?

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2823920]Yes, Lisbon has short-time motels, which is how locals access EP.

Just ask EP for a recommendation regarding hotels. Send your WhatsApp message to Joanna's number. It is okay to do so in English. When Joanna is not personally monitoring her phone, the assistant that helps her is the most responsive. The advantage of a group like EP is that there are multiple ladies they can send if someone flakes.

[URL]https://escortprivada.com/escort/joana-montenegro/[/URL]

For independents with a current ad who have great reviews and a history of being professional and diligent, this independent is one of the least likely to flake on you if you need an exact time for an appointment.

[URL]https://docemassagem.com/massagista/ines-3/[/URL]

Six hours is a short time frame. Some have had great luck going to the Nuru Spa (try to call or WhatsApp them before hand and explain your situation and request the Relaxing Massage). Don't be too explicit regarding sex. Most appear to do BBBJ and CFS but technically they are not allowed to do so in a licensed massage parlor, so be discreet in communicating.

[URL]https://www.nuruspas.com/en/sobre[/URL][/QUOTE]

I suspect Carolina Belmont has done a name change, and is now Lara Cortez.

[URL]https://www.apartadox.com/acompanhante-de-luxo-lara-cortez-7973[/URL]

[QUOTE=ExExpatriate;2825237]I suspect Carolina Belmont has done a name change, and is now Lara Cortez.

[URL]https://www.apartadox.com/acompanhante-de-luxo-lara-cortez-7973[/URL][/QUOTE]It's Camila Pereira in the infamous EP blonde wig. Exact same physical stats as the previous profile.

I will be in Lisbon at the end of June for 48 hours.

As it is my first time there I was wondering if I could ask some stupid questions.

Do the girls provide STI reports, or more so, how comfortable are you all that the girls are clean?

I am 100% clean. Even Herpes is something I am extremely concerned about staying away from. In Thailand the cost is low and taking girls to tests is super fast and efficient but I can't imagine that is the case in lisbon.

How far in advance do you need to book usually? I have a wish list based on the last 30 pages of this thread. I don't want to book two weeks early but I don't want to book to late and miss who I want.

I am happy to pay a premium for clean.

Lastly, do you have any recommendations for girls under 25 that are pretty slim and energetic.

I've never heard of a lady providing an STI test result on demand, let alone a recent one. As a rule, the ladies do put a high premium on hygenie. Some insist on covered oral, which should tell you how seriously those that do take the issue in general.

That said, just because it isn't spoken of doesn't mean it isn't possible. I don't think it would hurt to ask, but I advise you to be as polite/respectful as possible. Lead with your concerns. You don't want to come off as accusing someone of being a dirty *****, which is how it could be received.

Whenever I see someone on a forum asking why anybody would want a nuru massage ending only with an HJ or oral, no FS at all, your concern is the reason why. Some people have very low or zero tolerance for STI risk. Oral is very low risk and HJ is zero risk. The main clientele for those services either don't see it as cheating or want to reduce the risks of bringing something home down to none.

[QUOTE=Jportlis;2825360]I will be in Lisbon at the end of June for 48 hours.

As it is my first time there I was wondering if I could ask some stupid questions.

Do the girls provide STI reports, or more so, how comfortable are you all that the girls are clean?

I am 100% clean. Even Herpes is something I am extremely concerned about staying away from. In Thailand the cost is low and taking girls to tests is super fast and efficient but I can't imagine that is the case in lisbon.

How far in advance do you need to book usually? I have a wish list based on the last 30 pages of this thread. I don't want to book two weeks early but I don't want to book to late and miss who I want.

I am happy to pay a premium for clean.

Lastly, do you have any recommendations for girls under 25 that are pretty slim and energetic.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ExExpatriate;2824065]I'll be more specific here. I'm aware of three hourly rate "love motels," and all of them are in the exurbs. All of them are far enough out of the city that EP girls want travel money. Those look nice or very nice, but the minimum charge is for three or four hours, so the Uber + room + travel money for the girls will absolutely cost more than the Star Inn by the airport. Plus the inconvenience and lost travel time. I really think that is barking up the wrong tree, but EP may have workable solutions.

I just think you need to also treat your time as a commodity. Don't do stuff that unnecessarily whittles down your six hours. You may need them.

In Lisbon proper, the only hourly rate place I'm aware of is so seedy that I can only say "don't go there. " I feel strongly enough about it to refuse identification. And again, what is one really saving by taking an Uber back and forth from a bedbug-ridden flophouse in downtown Lisbon?[/QUOTE]So I took all this advice into consideration and booked a hotel near the airport. Star Inn unfortunately was sold out for my dates but the one I got was 20 minutes from airport. I then reached out to a lot of the providers on EP on the day before, got some replies and few who said they could meet, but that they would confirm on the morning of. I started panicking the next day since I didn't have any confirmations and then ended up with Pureza Villar at short notice. My flight was delayed so the layover timing shrunk on me which is another thing that needs to be considered. She was Ok, the photos on EP are from few years ago. She was very friendly and accommodating, not going into too many details of the encounter.

The thing to be careful about in these circumstances is that there is no guarantee you will get someone who is a stunner, even after doing all the research and being selective. At the end of the day you just have to accept what it is (specially when you have a short window). Good luck to everyone!

Thanks for the reply.

My issue is bringing something home. That is the only no-go.

As a rule, and knowing no one will want to answer this, how many here have an STI, including herpes?

I will message a couple and gauge the best way to ask.

Where is the recommended hotel to stay at? I would also like to take in some of the regular sights and tourist things within walking distance.

I will use outcall only. Will always pay a premium for hygiene.

[QUOTE=ExExpatriate;2825408]I've never heard of a lady providing an STI test result on demand, let alone a recent one. As a rule, the ladies do put a high premium on hygenie. Some insist on covered oral, which should tell you how seriously those that do take the issue in general.

That said, just because it isn't spoken of doesn't mean it isn't possible. I don't think it would hurt to ask, but I advise you to be as polite/respectful as possible. Lead with your concerns. You don't want to come off as accusing someone of being a dirty *****, which is how it could be received.

Whenever I see someone on a forum asking why anybody would want a nuru massage ending only with an HJ or oral, no FS at all, your concern is the reason why. Some people have very low or zero tolerance for STI risk. Oral is very low risk and HJ is zero risk. The main clientele for those services either don't see it as cheating or want to reduce the risks of bringing something home down to none.[/QUOTE]