Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Bunky;2435909]All this discussion of trying to negotiate an air tight agreement that spells out every last detail of the session between the sheets reminds me of the 1987 movie classic "Cherry 2000."

[URL]https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092746/[/URL]

For those who haven't seen it, the movie takes place in a dystopian future where robots have largely replaced humans as sexual partners. The few old-fashioned types who still frequent singles' bars are so adversarial that they negotiate a written contract right there in the club before leaving with each other.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urS8GmwmeWQ[/URL]

Yes, that's Laurence Fishburne playing the draftsman.[/QUOTE]LOL. Maybe it is all the crap that can and all too often does happen when there is no airtight negotiation and agreement that spells it all out that has inspired the fantasy of creating obedient robots for this purpose in the first place.

My favorite destination in the world for our hobby, Germany, is now a p4p desert. The only country that seems to have a semblance of action right now is Thailand. However, no way I'm leaving home now. It is difficult to foretell when things will improve. Its a wait and see game.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2435917]LOL. Maybe it is all the crap that can and all too often does happen when there is no airtight negotiation and agreement that spells it all out that has inspired the fantasy of creating obedient robots for this purpose in the first place.[/QUOTE]In my experience Thai people in most situations will answer yes instead of no as matter of course and odd as it may seem it is more a cultural norm than our definition of lying.

Just a thought but I wonder ET whether it would make sense for you to have a unambiguous written list in Thai / English of your needs instead of the a verbal exchange. Now visually it is almost comic to imagine doing the circuit in Thermae finding a cutie and handing her a piece of paper to read before the deal in done but it just might reduce the too often problem you seem to have back in the room.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2435997]My favorite destination in the world for our hobby, Germany, is now a p4p desert. The only country that seems to have a semblance of action right now is Thailand. However, no way I'm leaving home now. It is difficult to foretell when things will improve. Its a wait and see game.[/QUOTE]Really? Then things must be horrifically bad in Germany. Unless you mean the Thai girls who might still be in town and on Tinder, ThaiCupid, ThaiFriendly, etc. Or maybe in Pattaya.

But these first two nights of closures in the red light districts of Bangkok have been like walking through a ghost town. Virtually no girls on the streets because there are virtually no customers on the streets either. Seriously, the only place I saw a small cluster of girls anywhere right after 9PM or so last night was in front of Thermae. And even in the most dire financial/low customer circumstances these girls have ever seen in their lives, it is highly unlikely any Thermae girl would deliver anything other than the most basic, boring, standard fare that wouldn't be worth near their going rate even at the popular height of the highest High Season.

In fact, the only reason those few Thermae girls still standing around out front are NOT concerned about getting a virus spread by droplet transmission is probably because they are already accustomed to making 2,500 - 3,000 baht without coming in contact with so much as one droplet of anything anyway.

In Pat there's still some action. Many girls have chosen not to go back home. Some bars still "half open" in typical Thai fashion.

What gets on my nerves is hotels on islands not giving discounts, at least not on the booking platforms. Hotels on Islands like Ko Chang and Ko Mak are priced the same as usual for this time of the year. How is that possible with no more flights coming in?

The hotel I'm staying in in Pattaya is three quarters empty. Yet when I show them the Agoda price in a bid to pay cash and avoid the credit card + Agoda fee they say no and quote me a walk-in rate 25% higher. I dont get it.

The entire P4 P industry is about to get live training on how to survive without farang, Chinese / Japanese / Korean money and customers.

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1882315/health-certificates-required-of-all-visitors[/URL]

Goes for the rest of the tourist industry.

[QUOTE=Catire;2436110]The entire P4 P industry is about to get live training on how to survive without farang, Chinese / Japanese / Korean money and customers.

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1882315/health-certificates-required-of-all-visitors[/URL]

Goes for the rest of the tourist industry.[/QUOTE]Seems it extends to Thai citizens. Not untypical there is some confusion whether you require a negative test cert or just a not showing symptoms cert. Also a verification from your embassy is required. Kafka couldn't make this shit up.

[QUOTE=XXL;2436050]In Pat there's still some action. Many girls have chosen not to go back home. Some bars still "half open" in typical Thai fashion.

What gets on my nerves is hotels on islands not giving discounts, at least not on the booking platforms. Hotels on Islands like Ko Chang and Ko Mak are priced the same as usual for this time of the year. How is that possible with no more flights coming in?

The hotel I'm staying in in Pattaya is three quarters empty. Yet when I show them the Agoda price in a bid to pay cash and avoid the credit card + Agoda fee they say no and quote me a walk-in rate 25% higher. I dont get it.[/QUOTE]Looks like the same as in 2009 when protesters blocked the airport for many weeks. On that time they also didn't give adjusted prices, not in hotel industry and not in the entertainment.

Shit just got real here!

[URL]https://covidtracker.5lab.co/en[/URL]

[QUOTE=XXL;2436050]In Pat there's still some action. Many girls have chosen not to go back home. Some bars still "half open" in typical Thai fashion.

What gets on my nerves is hotels on islands not giving discounts, at least not on the booking platforms. Hotels on Islands like Ko Chang and Ko Mak are priced the same as usual for this time of the year. How is that possible with no more flights coming in?

The hotel I'm staying in in Pattaya is three quarters empty. Yet when I show them the Agoda price in a bid to pay cash and avoid the credit card + Agoda fee they say no and quote me a walk-in rate 25% higher. I dont get it.[/QUOTE]Its a question of who is desperate. If the customer is desperate for a holiday in these extraordinary situation, he needs to pay more. Both the girls and hotel may think, if they serve you in this crisis when others have shut shop, they might need extra remuneration. They run the risks. But on other hand, if the hotel / girl is in financial crisis and is extremely desperate, then we can see reducing in fee in normal / extraordinary situation. I see a lot of posts assuming the WG's are desperate and hence there would be price reduction. But till now I see only disappointment in most posts.

[QUOTE=XXL;2436050]In Pat there's still some action. Many girls have chosen not to go back home. Some bars still "half open" in typical Thai fashion.

What gets on my nerves is hotels on islands not giving discounts, at least not on the booking platforms. Hotels on Islands like Ko Chang and Ko Mak are priced the same as usual for this time of the year. How is that possible with no more flights coming in?

The hotel I'm staying in in Pattaya is three quarters empty. Yet when I show them the Agoda price in a bid to pay cash and avoid the credit card + Agoda fee they say no and quote me a walk-in rate 25% higher. I dont get it.[/QUOTE]And offering discounts at this moment wouldn't result in rush of customers because no one is travelling. Most of the countries have banned international flights. I wouldn't be surprised if they implement domestic lockdown. Whats the use of offering a discount when no one would come? Its better for them to shut shop rather than have very few customers. When things limp back to normalcy, we might see some discounted prices for airlines / hotels and keep the fingers crossed for discounted WG prices: 0. Just my two cents.

Has anyone had issue with visa on arrival / evisa after you landed in Thailand?

Reason for asking is because I had an issue a week before. Right on the day of my travel visa on arrival had been stopped.

We raised priority e-visa from Thai embassy and was given. Airline checked and confirmed good for travel.

After we reached Bangkok, we were told visa on arrival including evisa is stopped. We were detailed and were sent back on next flight back home.

We were treated pretty bad with people who didn't even understand basic English.

Has anyone had any luck in getting any kind of refund from airline or embassy or anyone in similar situation?

We had both to and fro ticket which was adjusted for our travel back.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Somewhere15;2436114]Looks like the same as in 2009 when protesters blocked the airport for many weeks. On that time they also didn't give adjusted prices, not in hotel industry and not in the entertainment.[/QUOTE]There will be stiff competition once things get normal. To fill up plane airlines will reduce fares and hotels will do the same to fill rooms. Till then they need to make money to function from existing customers.

As I understand it, the barrier to entry into Thailand is:

1. need health certificate within 72 hours of flight departure that you are clear of Covid19.

2. need medical insurance to cover covid19 and $100 k usd medical coverage.

3. mandatory quarantine for 2 weeks at novitel.

Is anyone still planning on traveling there once these go into effect, especially with everything being dead right now?

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;2436237]As I understand it, the barrier to entry into Thailand is:

1. need health certificate within 72 hours of flight departure that you are clear of Covid19.

2. need medical insurance to cover covid19 and $100 k usd medical coverage.

3. mandatory quarantine for 2 weeks at novitel.

Is anyone still planning on traveling there once these go into effect, especially with everything being dead right now?[/QUOTE]Yep, that seems about right. Here are the rules per the Thai embassy. Not easy. I have no temptation to consider another trip until many things change.

[URL]https://thaiembdc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/March-19-2020_CAAT_EN-2.pdf[/URL]