Bangkok Reports

The Soi Cowboy, Sukhumvit, Nana Plaza areas were practically desolate last night after 11pm. There was a tiny sprinkling of small bars open here and there, none of the usual big names mentioned on these threads, apparently still open on the premise that they serve food too or, more to the point I suppose, are not packed tight with customers.

At that hour I only saw a few street girls, none if whom struck me as above a 6 in terms of looks, although it was difficult to know for sure with the streets as dark as they were.

It was creepy enough walking around my usual route with so little activity going on. I am sure it will be even creepier after a few more days of NO INCOME in the pockets of the rare bad guys these kind if tourist areas can attract even during good times, if you get my drift.

I was only out then because I had walked my latest regular non P4P girlfriend to bts Nana to bid farewell after a day and evening together. I would not consider sending a girl on her way alone on these streets at night these days, carrying a purse, obviously having left a hotel or apartment complex after a profitable "date" with a tourist or expat unless she was a hardened, experienced, street smart pro. And even then I would be inclined to at least make sure she gets into an auto taxi or onto a motorbike taxi safely enough.

In this case, my girl was a just turned 22 year old cutie who works as a professional model I met and began dating over a month ago. Looks young enough to get a lot of "Junior Miss" type fashion gigs, one of which she insisted I come along to watch yesterday. Comes from an upper middle class Thai family. Mom and Dad bought her a condo in the Phra Kanong area and she is not yet comfortable to go missing from there when Mom calls after midnight to check on how she's doing. Hense, the 11pm return to her place instead of sleeping over at mine.

She doesn't need the money but I still give her a token 500 - 1000 baht "for travel" to and from my apartment after we shatter the Social Distance virus transmission prevention recommendations having Real Sex because I think that helps to keep them from assuming more non pay-related emotional commitment than I am interested in juggling and dealing with for now.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2435812]Sorry Streetwalker I must have picked you up wrong. I thought your modus operandi was to offer a 1000 and stick to it. It's true pussy can be had for a 1000 more likely in Pattaya than Bangkok but I thought you were talking about Thermae where the going rate for short time is 2500 maybe 2000 and even possible on occasion as low as 1500 but 1000, market value it is not!

Also may I say I find your argument nobody is forcing them to do anything they don't want to do somewhat specious, why? Because it doesn't take into account whether there is choice or not I. E. Take what's on offer or go without. I know that sounds a tad OTP but sometimes Streetwalker that's exactly how it is and whether it's our fault they are poor is not the point. I'm not talking overpaying or an NGO attitude just a good man with a good heart paying what is a fair price.[/QUOTE]I never monger the Thermae anymore. I know I am not going to get anything below 2000 there. The girls have been over priced there for 15 yrs at least. I offer the price of the shop I am shopping in. My 1000 offer goes to the Nana sign and the odd Soi side of suk street girls and I get at least a 75% turn down rate. BUT its ok I am not bothered by a rejection. Eventually I find a doable girl that will take the offer. I only offer to girls that fit my looks preference also. I see some oldies and uglies out there that I am sure would take my 1000 offer, BUT I don't stop for them. When you are talking Force I am saying I personally am not forcing a girl to take my offer. IF she is forced by another (her Pimp) to take only a set amount that's not on me. She simply turns me down and I move on pretty easy.

And so it begins.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2436433]I never monger the Thermae anymore. I know I am not going to get anything below 2000 there. The girls have been over priced there for 15 yrs at least. I offer the price of the shop I am shopping in. My 1000 offer goes to the Nana sign and the odd Soi side of suk street girls and I get at least a 75% turn down rate. BUT its ok I am not bothered by a rejection. Eventually I find a doable girl that will take the offer. I only offer to girls that fit my looks preference also. I see some oldies and uglies out there that I am sure would take my 1000 offer, BUT I don't stop for them. When you are talking Force I am saying I personally am not forcing a girl to take my offer. IF she is forced by another (her Pimp) to take only a set amount that's not on me. She simply turns me down and I move on pretty easy.[/QUOTE]I get it Streetlooker, you have your price and where you monger its available at that price, no issues, good luck and stay safe.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2435473]You may be on a tight budget but with respect, doesn't it just bother you a little bit that you take advantage of their circumstances. Using that value system some unfortunate wench who hasn't eaten for 3 days should be happy to blow you for a bowl of noodles. I agree what's appropriate varies on circumstances and who and where you venture but why not pay the going rate and not make the girl feel like sad she has to fuck for so little because she needs the money so badly. And please and I am not suggesting you do but please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage I. E. Because she is a poor farm girl from Essan she should be happy to fuck for 8 hours 4 hours whatever for 500 baht because its 200 baht above the minimum wage.[/QUOTE]Please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage.

You can't take the most reasonable reference point reasonable people could use and dismiss it as ridiculous.

I will posit that hooking is a much easier "job" than say standing on ones feet as a mall clerk or fast food or being a maid cleaning shitty toilets all day, changing jizz soaked sheets etc.

Why else do so many attractive girls around the world suck dick? Most will tell you "EAZY money" they are lazy and it is easy, I won't dare call it work.

I think hookers should make much less than other low skill occupations, not more.

There are many countries where illiterate girls are making more than many physicians or dds or attorneys.

1) Girls are leaving town in their thousands.

2) Soi 7/1 best place to find some action and a beer.

3) Most dangerous place on the planet is an immigration office.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2435749]I have had good low priced performances, and bad low priced performances. I have also had good High priced performances and I have had some very bad High price performances. Performance is not a price thing Its a individual girl thing. Besides If I am unfortunate to have picked a Bad Performance girl from the street, Gogo bar, massage parlor, or a escort agent. I am a bit less upset about it if I didn't pay to much.[/QUOTE]Truer words have rarely been spoken always easier to tip UP than fight down for a shit show!

PP.

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2436902]Please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage.

You can't take the most reasonable reference point reasonable people could use and dismiss it as ridiculous.

I will posit that hooking is a much easier "job" than say standing on ones feet as a mall clerk or fast food or being a maid cleaning shitty toilets all day, changing jizz soaked sheets etc.

Why else do so many attractive girls around the world suck dick? Most will tell you "EAZY money" they are lazy and it is easy, I won't dare call it work.

I think hookers should make much less than other low skill occupations, not more.

There are many countries where illiterate girls are making more than many physicians or dds or attorneys.[/QUOTE]I agree with most of what you write here, although I would not characterize promoting the alternative approach as childish. Maybe as too soft a touch for girls who think they have us by the balls and might be right. LOL. Literally.

Good looking women willing to trade sex for support have always and will always find a way, with or without my help. And whatever they do for that kind of money, you can bet they see it as a lot easier than what their unattractive sisters do for a living.

Unless we're talking about approaching grisly, destitute street beggars for 500 baht Long Times. My greater concern then would be one might take me up on it.

But I am definitely not inclined to pay FLs more (or less) based on the ambience of the venue I happened to meet them in. I prefer to pay them based on the level and quality of service they gave me. For me, a True GFE/Real Sex with an above average looking Thai girl whether I meet her in Insanity, Thermae or the dark downside of Soi 4 is worth around 2,000 - 2,500. I would feel I got a pretty good deal with such a girl for 1,500 baht and that I'd overpaid for 3,000 baht, both of which have happened off and on, of course.

What I pay, if anything, when things go badly whether because I'd been obviously scammed or it falls in that grey area where it could simply have been her ineptitude has to be determined on a case by case basis. I'd put a girl out with no more than 200 baht taxi fare who got naked in my room then started changing the agreement to something unacceptable to me in an obvious scam attempt even if she was the hottest, most popular FL in Mixx or whatever.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2437087]I agree with most of what you write here, although I would not characterize promoting the alternative approach as childish. Maybe as too soft a touch for girls who think they have us by the balls and might be right. LOL. Literally.

Good looking women willing to trade sex for support have always and will always find a way, with or without my help. And whatever they do for that kind of money, you can bet they see it as a lot easier than what their unattractive sisters do for a living.

Unless we're talking about approaching grisly, destitute street beggars for 500 baht Long Times. My greater concern then would be one might take me up on it.

But I am definitely not inclined to pay FLs more (or less) based on the ambience of the venue I happened to meet them in. I prefer to pay them based on the level and quality of service they gave me. For me, a True GFE/Real Sex with an above average looking Thai girl whether I meet her in Insanity, Thermae or the dark downside of Soi 4 is worth around 2,000 - 2,500. I would feel I got a pretty good deal with such a girl for 1,500 baht and that I'd overpaid for 3,000 baht, both of which have happened off and on, of course.

What I pay, if anything, when things go badly whether because I'd been obviously scammed or it falls in that grey area where it could simply have been her ineptitude has to be determined on a case by case basis. I'd put a girl out with no more than 200 baht taxi fare who got naked in my room then started changing the agreement to something unacceptable to me in an obvious scam attempt even if she was the hottest, most popular FL in Mixx or whatever.[/QUOTE]That's pretty much my price guideline also ET but some of our esteemed fellow co members feel this is way too much. They feel the girls, (hookers, WG) who take care of our needs are such worthless lazy illiterates that even the minimum wage of 300 baht a day is too much for their time. I also understand your consideration that service levels and delivery of what has been agreed should be a factor in what is paid. While we may not see eye to eye ET in what you need from the girls as best practice I agree with how you handle these situations. As always stay safe.

I just got a panicky Line message from a regular GF about this. So I did a Google Search and this came up:

Thailand to impose curfew, declare state of emergency after cabinet meeting; government sources say.
March 24, 2020
[URL]https://www.thaienquirer.com/9957/thailand-to-impose-curfew-declare-state-of-emergency-after-cabinet-meeting/[/URL]

For whatever reason, every link I found for it was glitchy and unstable. TIT

[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2436902]Please don't use the ridiculous argument about minimum wage.

Why else do so many attractive girls around the world suck dick? Most will tell you "EAZY money" they are lazy and it is easy, I won't dare call it work.[/QUOTE]Many guys choose to ignore that truth. Talking to a chick I know here in Pattaya yesterday. She said she was tired of doing freelance. I suggested she do something else then. She said like what. I said any other normal job that people do.

She said no that is okay. I like doing this. She didn't say anything about how poor she was, anything about any circumstances she was in, anything about other jobs don't pay enough. She basically said I am not going to stop doing this easy ass shit.

I knew one chick working at the gogo and she told me she was doing it for the fast money. She said she already bought land back home and she was saving up to put a house on the land. She said as soon as she got that money she was going to move back home and start a business and chill. She finally did it and has not been back to Pattaya. I have met several chicks that have done the exact same thing. Again, nothing about circumstances.

Being here over the years I have seen chicks go from normal jobs to being hookers, and from hookers to doing normal jobs, and doing both at the same time. But I never see the girls making the excuses for themselves that some mongers make for them.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2436925]1) Girls are leaving town in their thousands.

2) Soi 7/1 best place to find some action and a beer.

3) Most dangerous place on the planet is an immigration office.[/QUOTE]Over 1000 massage shops in Patong, 5 to 10 girls per shop, gone over night. Everything closed. You can find an FL and a sex massage if you look and ask. They take you to their room or yours.

Stay home don't come to Phuket.

RL.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;2436433]I never monger the Thermae anymore. I know I am not going to get anything below 2000 there. The girls have been over priced there for 15 yrs at least. I offer the price of the shop I am shopping in. My 1000 offer goes to the Nana sign and the odd Soi side of suk street girls and I get at least a 75% turn down rate. BUT its ok I am not bothered by a rejection. Eventually I find a doable girl that will take the offer. I only offer to girls that fit my looks preference also. I see some oldies and uglies out there that I am sure would take my 1000 offer, BUT I don't stop for them. When you are talking Force I am saying I personally am not forcing a girl to take my offer. IF she is forced by another (her Pimp) to take only a set amount that's not on me. She simply turns me down and I move on pretty easy.[/QUOTE]A bit off subject but still cool. I lived in BK during the Vietnam War. Lowly airman but did have cheap apartment that I shared with a buddy. There was a coffee shop (not very far from the Ewarwan Hotel (probably spelled wrong) where the TV personalities and models and upper class went after normal work hours. We didn't go there but very seldom, too expensive, but the scenery was fantastic! One night with a buddy, he saw this 10+++ girl and started talking to her. He was trying to take her home but she was joking with him and told him that he couldn't afford her! And he sure didn't have a months salary to give her. Finally he told her that he would give her everything he had and proceeded to empty his wallet and empty his pockets and put it all on the table in front of her. It wasn't anywhere close to want she was asking, but she grabbed his hand and led the poor guy away. He had stars in his eyes for days!

Anyway, if you have enough game you might get some real bargains and some great surprises!

[QUOTE=MrClen;2437214]A bit off subject but still cool. I lived in BK during the Vietnam War. Lowly airman but did have cheap apartment that I shared with a buddy. There was a coffee shop (not very far from the Ewarwan Hotel (probably spelled wrong) where the TV personalities and models and upper class went after normal work hours. We didn't go there but very seldom, too expensive, but the scenery was fantastic! One night with a buddy, he saw this 10+++ girl and started talking to her. He was trying to take her home but she was joking with him and told him that he couldn't afford her! And he sure didn't have a months salary to give her. Finally he told her that he would give her everything he had and proceeded to empty his wallet and empty his pockets and put it all on the table in front of her. It wasn't anywhere close to want she was asking, but she grabbed his hand and led the poor guy away. He had stars in his eyes for days!

Anyway, if you have enough game you might get some real bargains and some great surprises![/QUOTE]I don't know about others, but with all the doom and gloom and lack of anything happening IRL, I personally welcome old war stories about girls of the past or recent conquests. Beats the fuck out of silence and corona virus updates! 😋.

A cute young friend I met on TF a few years ago told me her rather high end hotel is open, as are the beaches. But she's not a P4 P gal, amd considers me just a client for the hotel not for her. Perhaps if she hadn't met my wife already.

I'm reluctant to even fly domestically now because of the chance that the state of emergency shuts down flights.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2437204]Over 1000 massage shops in Patong, 5 to 10 girls per shop, gone over night. Everything closed. You can find an FL and a sex massage if you look and ask. They take you to their room or yours.

Stay home don't come to Phuket.

RL.[/QUOTE]