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By the early 90's, the reality of AIDS had pretty much been established. Enough girls had seen some of their friends / colleagues contract the disease and the consequences. Even Isan farm girls appreciated what was happening around the world. One dancer from Surin, for instance, mentioned NBA player Magic Johnson and his acquisition of AIDS. While it wasn't going to keep the girls from plying their trade, gradually more and more demanded that we cover up. Mercifully, President Bill Clinton and his young intern gained world-wide attention due to a substance on Monica Lewinski's famous "blue dress". Almost overnight (well, within a few very short years), a lot of girls actually seemed to prefer giving uncovered blow jobs to fucking. Who would have thought? Thank you Bill and Monica. LOL.

Nobody really knows what the impact of COVID-19 will have on the future of mongering in Asia. We can all speculate ad infin. It might be that the year 2000 BC will be 20 BC (Before Covid). The idea that this virus ends the world's oldest profession seems pretty far-fetched. Business models and practices change all of the time for all sorts of products and services.

[URL]https://nypost.com/2020/04/02/sex-workers-feared-to-be-spreading-coronavirus-in-japan/[/URL]

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I remember sitting in Soi Cowboy bars and having Dr. Condom sometimes entering a venue with a few associates and handing out condoms to the girls. Sometimes he would be followed by a news crew with cameras and lights recording the scene. It would be on Thai TV later that night or the next night. Talk about panic among the girls. They couldn't get off the stage and into a dark corner or a bathroom fast enough. LOL Still, after the bar returned to normal, many of the girls were laughing and blowing up the condoms like balloons and tossing them around the bar. I was in Soi Cowboy one night in the late 80's when of Cowboy as taken over by Dr. Condom with all sorts of information tables set up in the middle of the street. A couple of carnival-like games were also used to attract the girls and mongers. Naturally, condoms to the "winners". Yet, the girls were still routinely going bareback without any mention of covering our dicks.
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SS.[/QUOTE]His original drive to push condom use was to reduce the Thai birthrate, having determined that too many kids in the family caused poverty. For that purpose, reducing Thai poverty, his personal charm, ambitions and political connections would have been put to much better use spearheading an effort to establish a national Social Security System in Thailand to make sure grandma, grandpa, mom, dad, uncle and aunt would not need to live with or rely on their grown kids to keep them alive and well after age 65. Consequently, now the birth rate in Thailand has decreased, there is still no national Social Security System in Thailand and grandma, grandpa, mom, dad, uncle and aunt are relying on just a couple of their grown kids to shoulder that responsibility instead of 6.

Meanwhile, I have yet to see a historical chart or study concluding that men having sex with men was not then and is not now the most significant sexual behavior, by far, for sexual transmission of HIV. And even in that behavior, not everything men did with men was statistically significantly risky. In fact, pretty much only one sexual act. And only to the one person on the receiving end of that one sexual act. Which then could eventually be exported to women who also engaged in that same act unprotected or vaginal sex with men who, sexually, would almost exclusively have gotten it from receptive anal sex (obviously, with a man).

It would have been nice if Dr. Condom had been just a wee bit more specific about who ought to be using condoms 100% of the time and for which particular specialized sexual act instead of suggesting it was necessary for everyone, anything and everything at all times, no exceptions.

Experts tell White House coronavirus can spread through talking or even just breathing.
[URL]https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/02/health/aerosol-coronavirus-spread-white-house-letter/index.html[/URL]

[QUOTE]Fineberg told CNN this is true, but that research shows that aerosolized droplets produced by talking or possibly even by just breathing can also spread the virus.

His letter explains that research at a hospital in China shows the virus can be suspended in the air when doctors and nurses remove protective gear, or when floors are cleaned, or when staff move around.[/QUOTE]I'll go out on a limb here and suggest you can reasonably substitute the words "protective gear" with "a carrier's sports jacket" and "floors" with "furniture" in the case where a carrier or carriers have previously deposited those tiny aerosolized droplets on them. The virus particles can apparently survive for hours on some surfaces and, therefore, have a huge window of opportunity for them to be stirred up into the breathable air.

And if you think of the particles of dust you see hanging in the air when sunlight streams into a room, these virus particles are much tinier than those dust particles and might even be hitching a ride on them. Also, in real world conditions vs static, controlled lab test conditions, those particles get stirred up and re-enter the breathable air every time someone walks through a room, plops down on a couch, pulls back the drapes, opens and closes a cabinet door and so on. Or, in a restaurant, every time a server passed by your table after the woman over there flipped back her hair. Probably a ladyboy.

However, this does not fill me with alarm. Something quite the opposite, in fact. Assuming this is true, that means most of us have been exposed to COVID-19 much more often than we thought, have been introducing at least small amounts of it into our respiratory systems perhaps countless times in the past few months and yet a relative few of us have fallen prey to it and gotten sick from it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2439896]This article from the other day says that 4-10% of GDP is because of the 300,000 involved in P4P.

[URL]https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/thai-government-screws-sex-workers-over-5000-baht-stimulus[/URL][/QUOTE]It always amuses me when mongers from White Man Land arrive in Bangkok or Pattaya, buy two ladies' drinks in some go go bar, and think they are single handedly propping up the Thai economy. Economists they are not.

Manufacturing is by far the largest GDP contributor (autos, electronics, machinery, chemicals). Oil, non-mongering tourism and agriculture also rate highly. Mongering is a microscopic dot.

You're reference doesn't seem too credible. This reference below tells me the facts we need to know.

[URL]https://www.motor1.com/reviews/242383/compare-chevy-camaro-ford-mustang/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2439896]This article from the other day says that 4-10% of GDP is because of the 300,000 involved in P4P.

[URL]https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/thai-government-screws-sex-workers-over-5000-baht-stimulus[/URL][/QUOTE]Hi Mr E,

I can understand living in Pattaya in particular, Lower Sukhumvit or Patong could easily have the impression P4P is a significant piece of the Thai economy but I very much doubt the 4 to 10% cited. The source is Empower Foundation, an organization for the rights and opportunities for sex workers across Thailand and like every advocacy group they will tend to exaggerate to make their point. That said there is no doubting that many thousands of girls are feeling the pinch as a result of the shutdown and as I have said earlier and I say it again those of us who use their services and are in a position to do should where possible help out some of girls we may know. Yes, they are not dying from hunger but lots of them live from trick to trick and don't save. Yes some foolishly overspend on makeup, clothes and accessories but that doesn't mean they should be punished for it now that they have nothing to fall back on.

Stay safe.

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2439883]I think you meant "sex with a condom" was almost unheard of. Anyway, getting the clap in the 70's was probably the biggest threat to going without protection. Interestingly, bareback fucking was par for the course, while blow jobs could be often refused. In the 80's, HIV / AIDS became the issue of concern. I remember sitting in Soi Cowboy bars and having Dr. Condom sometimes entering a venue with a few associates and handing out condoms to the girls. Sometimes he would be followed by a news crew with cameras and lights recording the scene. It would be on Thai TV later that night or the next night. Talk about panic among the girls. They couldn't get off the stage and into a dark corner or a bathroom fast enough. LOL Still, after the bar returned to normal, many of the girls were laughing and blowing up the condoms like balloons and tossing them around the bar. I was in Soi Cowboy one night in the late 80's when of Cowboy as taken over by Dr. Condom with all sorts of information tables set up in the middle of the street. A couple of carnival-like games were also used to attract the girls and mongers. Naturally, condoms to the "winners". Yet, the girls were still routinely going bareback without any mention of covering our dicks.

By the early 90's, the reality of AIDS had pretty much been established. Enough girls had seen some of their friends / colleagues contract the disease and the consequences. Even Isan farm girls appreciated what was happening around the world. One dancer from Surin, for instance, mentioned NBA player Magic Johnson and his acquisition of AIDS. While it wasn't going to keep the girls from plying their trade, gradually more and more demanded that we cover up. Mercifully, President Bill Clinton and his young intern gained world-wide attention due to a substance on Monica Lewinski's famous "blue dress". Almost overnight (well, within a few very short years), a lot of girls actually seemed to prefer giving uncovered blow jobs to fucking. Who would have thought? Thank you Bill and Monica. LOL.

Nobody really knows what the impact of COVID-19 will have on the future of mongering in Asia. We can all speculate ad infin. It might be that the year 2000 BC will be 20 BC (Before Covid). The idea that this virus ends the world's oldest profession seems pretty far-fetched. Business models and practices change all of the time for all sorts of products and services.

SS.[/QUOTE]Definitely meant sex with a condom was unheard of before AIDS. Magic Johnson's diagnosis scared the shit out of me and forced me to cover up. I had problems initially but eventually got used to it. Now I will have to get used to no DFK, no DATY, no kissing any part of girl's body, if shagging a working girl.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2440017] Now I will have to get used to no DFK, no DATY, no kissing any part of girl's body, if shagging a working girl.[/QUOTE]That is BS. In all probability there will be plenty of DFK, DATY, BBBJ's & BBFS if you want it just like before Wuhan. This ain't like AIDS at all. I don't pay much attention to the gloom and doom boys. They love talking trash about the recent present (everything since 2014) and the future. According to them it was only good 20 years ago.

Just got an SOS this morning from my sexy little Plan B girl. I haven't decided if I will respond and send her a little $$$ or not. She is a damn cutie and we did everything I wanted in the past and I will bet my hard earned money we will do everything I want in the future. And she is just one of thousands in MNL, BKK, Pat, and CGK waiting for the good times to roll again. The current malaise will end. Yes, some establishments won't make it, but P4P will survive and flourish. It is human nature combined with economic reality.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2439912]Meanwhile, I have yet to see a historical chart or study concluding that men having sex with men was not then and is not now the most significant sexual behavior, by far, for sexual transmission of HIV. And even in that behavior, not everything men did with men was statistically significantly risky. In fact, pretty much only one sexual act. And only to the one person on the receiving end of that one sexual act. Which then could eventually be exported to women who also engaged in that same act unprotected or vaginal sex with men who, sexually, would almost exclusively have gotten it from receptive anal sex (obviously, with a man).
[/QUOTE]In Tanzania in the mid 2000's 15% of the adult population had HIV. Where I was working there was voluntary testing and 8% tested positive. The infections were well outside the gay man community.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2440018]That is BS. In all probability there will be plenty of DFK, DATY, BBBJ's & BBFS if you want it just like before Wuhan. This ain't like AIDS at all. I don't pay much attention to the gloom and doom boys. They love talking down the present and the future. According to them it was only good 20 years ago.

Just got an SOS this morning from my sexy little Plan B girl. I haven't decided if I will respond and send her a little $$$ or not. She is a damn cutie and we did everything I wanted in the past and I will bet my hard earned money we will do everything I want in the future. And she is just one of hundreds in MNL, BKK, Pat, and CGK waiting for the good times to roll again. The current malaise will end. Yes, some establishments won't make it, but P4P will survive and flourish. It is human nature.[/QUOTE]What he said! People are acting like this is the first time in the history of mankind that something like this has happened. It is not, and it won't be the last. In a hundred years when another global disease strikes, people will be talking about the great pandemic of 2020. In the meantime, things always, always, always come back! Including pay 4 pussy. And as long as the sun keeps rising they always will. Enough with the gloom and doom already!

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2439326]Please provide the source. Thanks.

SS.[/QUOTE]
Here is an article from the New England Journal of Medicine.
Aerosol and Surface Stability of SARS-CoV-2 as Compared with SARS-CoV-1.
[URL]https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973[/URL]

Here is another article. I can't find the medical article for this piece of information. I had seen it yesterday.
You may be able to spread coronavirus just by breathing, new report finds.
[URL]https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/you-may-be-able-spread-coronavirus-just-breathing-new-report-finds[/URL]

Here is an excellent map of Covid-19 cases in Thailand.
[URL]https://covidtracker.5lab.co/[/URL]

Please stay home everyone and keep Thailand safe. The less people moving around will keep the curve low.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2440018]Just got an SOS this morning from my sexy little Plan B girl. I haven't decided if I will respond and send her a little $$$ or not. .[/QUOTE]Send money if you believe her. I have asked my P4 P girlfriends whether they are ok financially. I don't have a lot of money (a couple of thousand in the bank) but I don't want anyone going hungry. They have all responded that they are ok.

I had to send regular friends money in NYC and Miami. They responded no but after they got my money, both called me with much calmer voices. I could hear the anxiety in their voices of these two tough men. My friend in NYC only had a week of food left.

This is for real in America now. Please stay home and spare Thailand the same pain.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2440018]And she is just one of thousands in MNL, BKK, Pat, and CGK waiting for the good times to roll again. The current malaise will end. Yes, some establishments won't make it, but P4P will survive and flourish. It is human nature combined with economic reality.[/QUOTE]Of course there will always be P4P. The question is what form will it be in. Some guys are less inclined if there is no bar or gogo for them to be able to pick chicks out of.

[QUOTE=AmPervert;2440040]Send money if you believe her. I have asked my P4 P girlfriends whether they are ok financially. I don't have a lot of money (a couple of thousand in the bank) but I don't want anyone going hungry. They have all responded that they are ok.[/QUOTE]Nobody is going to go hungry. They even set up places to give out free food.

Also you can get 1.5L of water from the machine for 1 baht. And the machines actually have the best water. I did a test and the machine came out to 7ppm. Crystal bottled water came out to 21ppm. And the water from my bathroom faucet came out to 178ppm. It is all safe to drink up to 500ppm.

I'll go out on a limb here and suggest you can reasonably substitute the words "protective gear" with "a carrier's sports jacket" and "floors" with "furniture" in the case where a carrier or carriers have previously deposited those tiny aerosolized droplets on them. The virus particles can apparently survive for hours on some surfaces and, therefore, have a huge window of opportunity for them to be stirred up into the breathable air.

And if you think of the particles of dust you see hanging in the air when sunlight streams into a room, these virus particles are much tinier than those dust particles and might even be hitching a ride on them. Also, in real world conditions vs static, controlled lab test conditions, those particles get stirred up and re-enter the breathable air every time someone walks through a room, plops down on a couch, pulls back the drapes, opens and closes a cabinet door and so on. Or, in a restaurant, every time a server passed by your table after the woman over there flipped back her hair. Probably a ladyboy.

However, this does not fill me with alarm. Something quite the opposite, in fact. Assuming this is true, that means most of us have been exposed to COVID-19 much more often than we thought, have been introducing at least small amounts of it into our respiratory systems perhaps countless times in the past few months and yet a relative few of us have fallen prey to it and gotten sick from it.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/opinion/coronavirus-viral-dose.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2440018]That is BS. In all probability there will be plenty of DFK, DATY, BBBJ's & BBFS if you want it just like before Wuhan. This ain't like AIDS at all...........[/QUOTE]No need to get agitated, never said there will not be just as there is plenty of DFK, DATY, BBBJ's and BBFS with hookers post AIDS.