Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2602594]
But everyone looks at it differently. [/QUOTE]Out of curiosity, do you give similar amount of money to women that you don't have sex with or Colombia men that are poor?

Let me try to understand this. A non-hooker picks me up in Medellin driving her mercedes. Well I guess I would not give her any money because obviously she doesn't need it. Does this describe the typical paisa? Driving around in her mercedes? Are you that out of touch or just plain insensitive?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2602595]Likewise, I struggle for things that Jeff Bezos takes for granted. What if a non-hooker (as was another poster's experience) picks you up in a Mercedes. Are you still giving money to her?[/QUOTE].

A couple of days ago I was thinking about this while I was standing at the intersection of San Juan Boulevard and Avenida 70. What would I say to a girl here in Medellin if I had one quick shot, a brief moment to say one thing to see if I can get her to come back to my room and fuck? As if in passing on a crosswalk, jaja. I came up with this. "Would you like to be my girlfriend for 2 hours?" En Espanol, "Te gustara ser mi novia durante 2 horas?" This is probably premature exposition because it has not been field tested yet. As always, I would love to get feedback. Suggestions, and modifications welcome. Brillante.

A success rate of 30% would be incredible and I believe possible, here.

Its an interesting conversation alright.

Giving money FOR sex is obviously prostitution. No doubt there are many grey areas which some of you have already mentioned. One way to get around it is to give small and frequent amounts of money. That way you break the connection between money and sex.

Another observation worthy of consideration is that many Colombians FK each other for fun. Doesn't matter if they are poor or not. So chicas will FK for fun if they are in to you. So really there is no moral obligation. Rather, I think it is a moral virtue. . And there are many morally virtuous acts, so I don't think we need to lose sleep over not giving a girl money for sex. I think the strength of the "crime" is only in the minds of those that feel guilty. And perhaps the interesting question is to understand why they feel guilty. Curious.

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2602607]Let me try to understand this. A non-hooker picks me up in Medellin driving her mercedes. Well I guess I would not give her any money because obviously she doesn't need it. Does this describe the typical paisa? Driving around in her mercedes? Are you that out of touch or just plain insensitive?[/QUOTE]Neither. I just tend to treat normal people as normal people, and not charity cases. Everybody needs money. Because a person drives a Mercedes is not saying they don't need money. They have to pay the car note, gas, insurance, food, and any other bill that they may have.

I am just trying to see where the line is as how to discern who to give money to and who not. A few weeks ago a chick in Bogota that owns a salon and a food truck picked me up in her Chevrolet. Should I have given her money after we fucked or even if we would not have fucked?

Maybe these, as you put it, "struggling people in Colombia that definitely appreciate it" are only the ones that we get to stick our dicks into.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2602628]Its an interesting conversation alright.

Giving money FOR sex is obviously prostitution[/QUOTE]Is it really so obvious? Does a so-called trophy wife in the United States who marries a rich man for his money, is she by your definition a prostitute? And once you start trying to use moral virtues as part of the definition that is a very slippery slope because morality and virtues are very cultural to which you also alluded. I think there's a lot of different valid opinions because these scenarios almost have to be considered on a case-by-case basis. There's really no generalities that cover all the situations.

I just got back from my 7th trip to Tijuana and as always it is great. I have now decided to try see Medellin for the very first time. I will be going solo in October and so far I have gathered some info. I have a highly secure Airbnb booked that scans girls ID's Etc. TBH the only thing I'm worried about is getting drugged because I'm going solo. Advice? I'll be seeing Lleras park girls, FB girls, Gusto girls also.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2602428]You take me for someone who would pay Lleras or Gusto's prices? Jajajajajaj.

You can find plenty of good talent who give great service at less than 200-300 mil. And I'm not talking about casa or centro girls either. If you think what you are paying the SA girls is a good deal, good for you. But you can find low volume, good GFE service girls who are not clock watchers outside of SA and pay less.[/QUOTE]I agree with you. Last trip to Colombia I visited I new place called Aventura located near University of Antioquia. This is Centro area. Nice place and had two beautiful 8 or 9. I went with Wendy hot girl and just for a small tip she gave me the best oral sex bare skin. She also was good riding my cock. Just 90 K Colombian peso. Plus a small tip 40 k Colombian peso +57312XXXX516.

So I've previously spent a lot of time in Asia -- Vietnam, China and Thailand in college during internships and after for vacation all of which I went solo. All of which I have also blacked the fuck out in from partying to hard. I understand Colombia is a bit of a different beast versus Asia but I figure it's time to knock it off the bucket list. Spanish level is about the same as talking to a 2.5-3 year old Colombian child and I'll be there for 10 days or so 2 of which I'll half ass working remotely. Let me also mention, but who gives a shit anyways; I'm 28 years old work for big pay in big tech company. Lockdowns been rough so I gained a few lbs but who the shit didn't. I'd give my self a rating but that shits kinda gay so I'll just say probably slightly above average, but still 5'8 so knock off 1 point there on the scale. I started prowling these boards for some information so I don't get killed or pick up a tranny or some shit. Yes you have convinced me from browsing this forum not to continue the streak and blackout in Medellin. Although I cannot make any promises because there's a less than 1% chance I'm turning down the cocaina if offered -- oh, and covid lockdown has turned my once golden crown jewel of a liver against me from not drinking for a year so will probably get hammered after a few shots.

Anyways in preparation after I decided to impulsively buy a ticket for no god damn reason I have done the following:

-Booked a $100+ a night apartment, probably more than I ever should pay in Medellin, but fuck it I wanted a balcony in Poblado and a god damn jacuzzi. Plus I can flex a bit and show the hoes on whatsapp I've got a fucking jacuzzi in my room.

-Made a FB from scratch; lots of shit there so far just kind of lazy to deal with messaging, google translating and the effort of creeping every possible hoe. Maybe I'm not good at this or finding these girls here but these 6-7's don't seem to be worth the effort and that FB contact list takes 9 years for them to accept a friend request.

-Looked through all the prepagos sites and it seems okay I guess but I'm always sketched about these. Tried looking up strip clubs, casas but got overwhelmed and didn't know where the fuck to look or start so I gave up.

-Bought Colombian Cupid subscription and I haven't really used it much to be honest. So nothing to say about this shit so far besides you get every variety from fugly to 10. Pretty sure this is a more local way of online dating so it hasn't been anything crazy; with effort I feel like magic can happen here but I like the next two since I literally do nothing and my phone notifications are going through the fucking roof.

-Bought Tinder Gold applied a few boosts and BAM. Shit's a fucking gold mine so far matching with dozens of 7-10's, throw in a few 6's just in case cause they just seem kinda fun, and the occasional accidental tranny from swiping right to goddamn fast. Seems about 1/4 are throwing out the "Yo busco amigas con beneficios" which from the few wrinkles I was able to muster in my brain, I pieced together as, "give me your fucking gringo money and ill let you touch me". Realistically, I've lined up enough dates to cover more than my 10 days can accommodate so I'm kinda just stringing along a plan b, c, d, E, F, G, H, I, J if all else fails. Don't plan to put to much effort into the probably-not-going to-get-laid-on-the-first-date-girls but there's a lot of downtime on vacation for 10 days in the city and since I fly solo when travelling having friends or tour guides is always a plus during the daytime when I'm bored as shit waiting for nighttime shenanigans.

-Bought a fucking $99 SA account for the month and Jesus Christ you fucks have made this easy to find girls on this site. I had a Medellin girl show me the dudes I'd be competing with on that site and wow, I look like Brad Pitt in a sea of fucking Steve Buscemi's. Not many younger guys on SA so I play the "It's my first time I don't normally do this type of thing" card and it gets them every time -- or maybe that's the reverse psychology and their already plotting my demise. Regardless I haven't done shit and I'm getting nude WhatsApp video calls each night one of the girls I plan on seeing. She. "allegedly" claims to be in school and works at some call center or some shit but has already taken 10 days off for my arrival. This is where I think I fucked up because I got a reservation at El Cielo which is a Michelin Star restaurant ($250 ish for 2? Maybe? I hope? Will find out I guess but once again fuck it cause that shit would be 3-4 x the price at a Michelin star in the states) and a Glamping trip at some overpriced bubble-hotel-thingy by that big rock I have no desire to climb up an hour away from MDE and promised to take her. She's meeting me at the airport when I arrive and plans on staying at my apartment a few nights (she said the entire time but no chance I'll settle for one piece when I'm in a goddamn steak buffet) but there's been zero talk of money exchanges with her and she tells me all this shit about dating and future shit that it's kind of scaring me; but I've got no experience with chicks here so I just assume they've got the typical Latina clingy trait. Yes -- I'm also checking every nook-and-fucking-cranny for red flags because it's a goddamn sugar daddy site so I assume she's just wanting to experience the fancy shit and will try to milk every drop while she can since that's how the game is played. I extended my trip and got a later departing date and after I told her she offered me to stay at her apartment so I don't have to book another pad since I planned on leaving earlier. Most others are pretty forward with the business approach quoting me 150-200 k by the hour and like 600-800 k for a planned overnight. Some quoted the Americano dollars and from the advice on these boards I politely told them to piss off. The others are window shopping or new to this type of game and these are the ones I'm hitting up. They are seemingly surprised when I tell them I'm not looking for sex (LOL), but instead a tour guide to show me around and that I can take on a date since all you fucks are going balls to the wall right away with it offering the dinero within the first few messages. Hit them with my Whatsapp cause I'm lazy and can't copy paste the entire message into google translate from SA and show them videos of where I work and the nerdy computer engineering shit I do; then they get impressed and start getting sentimental and shit. Show them my apartment I booked and reservation for two at El Cielo (which is taken but they don't know that) oddly none of these girls have asked yet about business transactions but all want to see me so I'm riding this boat until it sinks.

So with that. I am once again asking for your wisdom and mongering-support, ISG, in my time of need for support and advice on what the fuck to do because I don't have any idea of where to go, where to party, what are the nightclub girls like, where the good strip clubs are or casas. Am I missing anything. I'll probably be getting VIP tables at clubs and trying to live lavish for these 10 days so I assume will put a fat ass target on me -- so I give myself a medium-high probability of getting robbed but I've got an old shitter iphone on me as a dud so I'll rock the two phones gang in case that does happen. I'll be in Poblado / Laurales mainly; I'm not not dumb enough to wander El Centro at night on a solo trip so I'll probably go sightseeing during the day at least once. If I make it back alive, or once my ransom is paid off I'll report back and let you know how this shit pans out.

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2602607]Let me try to understand this. A non-hooker picks me up in Medellin driving her mercedes. Well I guess I would not give her any money because obviously she doesn't need it. Does this describe the typical paisa? Driving around in her mercedes? Are you that out of touch or just plain insensitive?.[/QUOTE]Maybe a specific example would help.

My former roommate, who was and still is a webcam model. If you happened to run into her at a bar, if you managed to catch her eye, if you played it right and she was in the right mood, there's a chance you would end up in bed with her. In the morning, if you tried to give her money, you would be dealing with a screaming, little bundle of unrestrained violence.

His point is, at least to me, that if a woman accepts money from you after sex, you weren't dealing with a non-pro. Everyone can rationalize it however they want, but if she takes the money instead of getting offended, you misunderstood the situation from the beginning.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2602629]Neither. I just tend to treat normal people as normal people, and not charity cases. Everybody needs money. Because a person drives a Mercedes is not saying they don't need money. They have to pay the car note, gas, insurance, food, and any other bill that they may have.

I am just trying to see where the line is as how to discern who to give money to and who not. A few weeks ago a chick in Bogota that owns a salon and a food truck picked me up in her Chevrolet. Should I have given her money after we fucked or even if we would not have fucked?

Maybe these, as you put it, "struggling people in Colombia that definitely appreciate it" are only the ones that we get to stick our dicks into.[/QUOTE]I think, it is selfish for a man not to give money or gift to a stranger woman after fucking regardless what she drives or owns. I mostly monger with women from Cupid in their mid 30's, and after seeing them for few days, I take them to the mall, buy something or give them money so they can buy few things. During my last visit one woman from cupid, a school teacher accompanied me to San Andres for 3 days and I paid her apartment rent that was only $250 USD.

[QUOTE=JJ1265;2602545]I just got back from Bogota and am already planning a trip back to Colombia in the next 2 weeks or so. I want to go back to Bogota and also visit Medellin, Barranquilla and San Andres island. I can speak good enough Spanish that I feel comfortable travelling around the country alone but its not perfect by any means I would like to meet a girl who can speak at least basic English. I know they exist. Where is the best places to look in Bogota and Medellin?[/QUOTE]Put an English ad in a local site.

There's seems to be a risk to being drugged / robbed even if your intentions are to just date / meet people. Well I don't smoke, drink, or do any drugs. So my current plan is to get a place in Laurales. I have no interest in using tinder or Fb based on stories I read. I'm thinking about renting a bike and exploring places like el Centro. There's not a lot of talk on providers from online escorts sites. Why is that?

The legend in his own mind, jaja. I'll be down in El Centro today looking for that little brunette miniature to check out the size of her hole and that Prego blonde in front of the church for a bareback blowjob. You can't miss me I'm six foot four and the spitting image of Tom Selleck. I wish. I'm the man with the long curly hair, loud colorful shirt on and then Nike track pants. Tell me your screen name and I'll buy you a beer. Or just stare from a distance, but I don't bite. Ostee out!

[QUOTE=HappyShiva;2602742]I think, it is selfish for a man not to give money or gift to a stranger woman after fucking regardless what she drives or owns. I mostly monger with women from Cupid in their mid 30's, and after seeing them for few days, I take them to the mall, buy something or give them money so they can buy few things. During my last visit one woman from cupid, a school teacher accompanied me to San Andres for 3 days and I paid her apartment rent that was only $250 USD.[/QUOTE]I can't say I agree or disagree with your approach 100%. It seems you're either dating a prostitute or simping. That's well within what I would consider a gray area. Might be you're just trying to be nice. I think you're comfortable with your approach, but I wouldn't advocate that girls see that as the norm. For tourists that see SA as a break from the bull dating scene in the USA, having a clear, no commitment, just cash per occasion approach is refreshing and desired.

You do you, but make sure that they know you are special and shouldn't expect that from a guy that wants to rampage for a weekend. That said, a weekend warrior should not go and disrupt the ecosystem either by paying high prices and throwing everything out of wack.

Be safe.