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[QUOTE=EihTooms;2474832]I am not sensing the least bit of "desperation" from the girls to provide more or better service than they would have ordinarily except for the ones who were already my regulars or repeats, as I mentioned. And I think that is more a matter of rare Thai girl gratitude since none of them have much reason to be desperate. New ones are only willing to lower their price by some pleasantly acceptable but hardly life altering percentage.

The same level of attractive new girls who refused BBFS with me during normal times are still doing it now and perfectly fine to watch me and my 2,500 - 3,000 baht offered walk away no matter how devoid of other customers the area is, how late on their rent they are or weeks without milk their babies and family buffalo have gone.

I realize that is wonderful news for several members here. But since Natty's friend's anecdote turned quite a bit on his hot and popular girl finally agreeing to BBFS as the sign for this supposed new Golden Era, it is a factor that applies to my observations as well.

Many of my fellow expats and frequent Bangkok visitor friends who found themselves stuck on the outside have been calling, sending me Line messages and emails begging me to tell them this economic downturn has caused the scene here to become a monger's paradise of the hottest girls handing out BBFS and BBBJ+CIM+Swallow left and right for rock bottom prices. Like Natty's friend's anecdote but 1000 times over.

Nope. You guys can sleep well at night in your home country knowing that ain't happening as far as this punter has noticed.[/QUOTE]Using the denominator of availability of BBFS while eminently understandable for you is not what I feel makes the difference for most punters who don't have the same need. Experiencing the availability on demand of top class talent at reduced prices combined with more enthusiastic service is I feel what works for the majority of customers.

I have to say ET and I don't know if you would agree or not that it says something when girls even with some financial difficulties in their lives are still wisely not willing to risk their health going bareback. While you with your testing and other safeguards are most likely perfectly safe to shag BB this is not the situation with all potential customers.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2474840]Using the denominator of availability of BBFS while eminently understandable for you is not what I feel makes the difference for most punters who don't have the same need. Experiencing the availability on demand of top class talent at reduced prices combined with more enthusiastic service is I feel what works for the majority of customers.

I have to say ET and I don't know if you would agree or not that it says something when girls even with some financial difficulties in their lives are still wisely not willing to risk their health going bareback. While you with your testing and other safeguards are most likely perfectly safe to shag BB this is not the situation with all potential customers.[/QUOTE]What is the something you think it says? Obviously, I know many girls who bareback me and I have no reason to believe I am the only one they do it with. While the same percentage of girls who say "NO" to an upfront agreement the way I prefer is no different during these times, so is the percentage who say "Yes."

And, mind you, I am the rare punter who actually negotiates these things early enough for the girl to very easily say "NO" and choose another customer without her having invested important hours of her selling time with me. Most punters who get bareback here get it after tying up her time, plying her with many drinks, leading up to crunch time in the room where if she doesn't watch her step she has every reason to believe she might be put out with little or no money for her whole night. That is, if she is sober enough to think much about it at all.

Otherwise known as "go with the flow and see what happens in the room."

I have little doubt a high percentage of the girls who say "NO" to me when I give them all the time and opportunity in the world to say "NO" if she has any qualms about it at all would probably go along with it if only I applied some of the manipulation techiques we read about on these threads from guys who apply them and claim a 90%-100% success rate in getting BBFS. "Go with the flow and see what happens in the room" figuring highly on the list of methods.

Franciscass, you'll just have to face the fact that many, many, I'll even say most Thai P4P girls here, easily a high percentage of the ones you and I would ever meet, are engaging in BBFS with customers.

The fact that you don't get it from the girls you take because you don't request or push for it and my percentage of getting it is lower than it easily would be only because I choose not to apply the popular methods of manipulation that virtually every other BBFS-seeking punter I know applies to it means almost nothing.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2474887]What is the something you think it says? Obviously, I know many girls who bareback me and I have no reason to believe I am the only one they do it with. While the same percentage of girls who say "NO" to an upfront agreement the way I prefer is no different during these times, so is the percentage who say "Yes."

And, mind you, I am the rare punter who actually negotiates these things early enough for the girl to very easily say "NO" and choose another customer without her having invested important hours of her selling time with me. Most punters who get bareback here get it after tying up her time, plying her with many drinks, leading up to crunch time in the room where if she doesn't watch her step she has every reason to believe she might be put out with little or no money for her whole night. That is, if she is sober enough to think much about it at all.

Otherwise known as "go with the flow and see what happens in the room..[/QUOTE]ET I was simply following up on your post.

"Yet I still got six "NO" replies to BBFS in a row even though I offered 2,500 - 3,000 baht from new girls".

The point I was making was these 6 new girls who refused I believe felt there were associated health / pregnancy risks.

Girls say no but you say later most do bare body. If true why when they say no initially? You explanation which if true is sad reflection on our fellow mongers.

1)"Most punters who get bareback here get it after tying up her time, plying her with many drinks, leading up to crunch time in the room where if she doesn't watch her step she has every reason to believe she might be put out with little or no money for her whole night. That is, if she is sober enough to think much about it at all".

2)"manipulation techniques we read about on these threads from guys who apply them".

Invisible Man.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2474966]ET I was simply following up on your post.

"Yet I still got six "NO" replies to BBFS in a row even though I offered 2,500 - 3,000 baht from new girls".

The point I was making was these 6 new girls who refused I believe felt there were associated health / pregnancy risks.

Girls say no but you say later most do bare body. If true why when they say no initially? You explanation which if true is sad reflection on our fellow mongers.

1)"Most punters who get bareback here get it after tying up her time, plying her with many drinks, leading up to crunch time in the room where if she doesn't watch her step she has every reason to believe she might be put out with little or no money for her whole night. That is, if she is sober enough to think much about it at all".

2)"manipulation techniques we read about on these threads from guys who apply them".

Invisible Man.[/QUOTE]Whenever I describe my preferred method of bringing up the subject of "boom boom no condom" upfront in the bar, at the club, in the massage shop, on the street, wherever, whether it is on these threads or in person with fellow punters I have met over the years, along with my success rate of getting takers at, oh, 60% or so overall, I can't count the number of times the multiple replies from other experienced punters is some variation of, "Why do that? I NEVER talk about condoms upfront. I just go with the flow and see what happens in the room and 90% of the time we wind up fucking bareback."

Surely you can't have missed that after all this time.

And I have been there many times, too. Just last week I took a new girl in town working in one of the new beer bars on Soi 7. Quite attractive. Being fairly new to the scene from Surin and working in Bangkok for the first time, she was very curious to see the go-go bars on Soi Cowboy and in Nana Plaza. So I paid the barfine and took her bar hopping. No real stated plan to even wind up in my room for sex or anything else. Just something fun to do on one of these very quiet nights lately.

Many drinks later she's crashing for the night in my bed drunk as a skunk. But she's still hot and I'm ram rod hard for her. Dripping wet and ready after several DATY orgasms, she lays back with her legs open, a beautifully shaved smooth and wet pussy waiting for dick, I make my move to enter her.

"Ohhh noooo. Must use condom."

I know exactly what the "90% of the time we wind up fucking bareback" punters would have done at such a moment; forged ahead anyway as though they never heard her slur out that statement in her drunken state. Or they would have cajoled, sweet talked, gamed her into going along with it anyway. And when they wrote the report about it here the next day, doubtful that part of it would be included.

But that isn't my thing. Not my style. And I knew this drunk lady would not have co-operated with even the most minor tweak I need beyond put it in and get it off that I require anyway. We just slept. Next morning I gave her 2,000 for the LT. This was after having paid the barfine the night before and picking up the tab for a ton if drinks for her, a couple of her co-workers at the bar and myself.

I haven't bothered to see her again. She sent me a couple of cute Line stickers since that night. But I have been busy enough spending much less baht for much better fully and happily consenting sober sex with my regular girlfriends and favorite P4P repeats I have not even gone back to her bar to say Hi.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2475029]Whenever I describe my preferred method of bringing up the subject of "boom boom no condom" upfront in the bar, at the club, in the massage shop, on the street, wherever, whether it is on these threads or in person with fellow punters I have met over the years, along with my success rate of getting takers at, oh, 60% or so overall, I can't count the number of times the multiple replies from other experienced punters is some variation of, "Why do that? I NEVER talk about condoms upfront. I just go with the flow and see what happens in the room and 90% of the time we wind up fucking bareback."

Surely you can't have missed that after all this time.

And I have been there many times, too. Just last week I took a new girl in town working in one of the new beer bars on Soi 7. Quite attractive. Being fairly new to the scene from Surin and working in Bangkok for the first time, she was very curious to see the go-go bars on Soi Cowboy and in Nana Plaza. So I paid the barfine and took her bar hopping. No real stated plan to even wind up in my room for sex or anything else. Just something fun to do on one of these very quiet nights lately.

Many drinks later she's crashing for the night in my bed drunk as a skunk. But she's still hot and I'm ram rod hard for her. Dripping wet and ready after several DATY orgasms, she lays back with her legs open, a beautifully shaved smooth and wet pussy waiting for dick, I make my move to enter her..[/QUOTE]May not agree with all of your beliefs ET but never doubted your values ET when it comes to your behavior.

It is true, believe me, that many TGs will have BBFS with farangs. Personally I'd recommend getting the lady HIV tested first and yourself as well, especially if she is going to be a regular. Besides testing you can also protect yourself with circumcision & protect the lady by being an excellent practitioner of coitus interruptus. Using pure coconut oil as a lube & barrier wouldn't hurt either. Both testing & a promise not to cum within her will help assure the lady. Just be sure to keep your word.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2475029]"Why do that? I NEVER talk about condoms upfront. I just go with the flow and see what happens in the room and 90% of the time we wind up fucking bareback."[/QUOTE]Hopefully you have caught on that the guy who keeps saying he gets BBFS from 90% of the girls in Thailand and SE Asia is trolling.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2475079]Hopefully you have caught on that the guy who keeps saying he gets BBFS from 90% of the girls in Thailand and SE Asia is trolling.[/QUOTE]That might be, but anyone claiming a 90-100% success rate of getting BBFS+CIP with Thai P4P girls by merely applying the most popularly discussed methods of manipulation or simply ignoring the girl's refusal at crunch time with "NO" or "Condom" mirrors exactly the rate of success I hear about from several other fellow ISG members I have met and dozens of visitors to Thailand who have never heard of ISG. Or, at least, we never mentioned it.

Practically every fellow punter I have met talks about being on a constant hunt for and will do whatever it takes to get BBFS+CIP from the girls they barfine, meet in the shops, pick up in the clubs or off the street. In most cases, I know they session with a different girl or two virtually every day they are here. On the rare occasions they DIDN'T get BBFS+CIP with the girl they were with previously, I hear about it with their griping and complaining. LOL.

Essentially, they all apply some method of manipulation mentioned here by the experts; "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" tying up their time most of the night so they wouldn't dare deliver ANYTHING that might displease the guy and cause her to be put out with little or no money, get her falling down drunk, hang outside the bars at closing time when they might be falling down drunk already and have very little options for making money except the helpful punter with his own mode of transportation, tell them you're a modeling agent looking for new star material (LOL), dangle a big tip over their head, profess real love and an intention to see her many times to help her and her family, react with hostility to the slightest thing leading right up to the room and on the bed causing the girl to be terrified to cross him on anything, you name it.

I can honestly say I have only met ONE fellow punter, other than me, out of the dozens I have met who has the brass punter balls I believe it takes to approach girls early, before they are drunk, when they have plenty of time and opportunity to say "NO" to BBFS+CIP with him and choose another customer, tell the girl Upfront he wants BBFS+CIP and then see how that goes. And he happens to be a member of ISG:

[B]MarquisdeSade1[/B]

He mentioned earlier that we'd met in Bangkok, shopped around and mongered together off and on over the course of a few weeks in the past. I watched him in action (from afar but still observable. We both agree this type of "negotiation" must be done privately between you and the girl). I know he closed BBFS+CIP deals with good looking young go-go dancers within a minute without even buying a drink for himself or a lady drink for the girl. LOL. I watched him do it several times. And, if I'm not mistaken, that was his first trip to Thailand.

Sure, there is no way for me to know what happened in the privacy of his room or exactly how much he paid for it. That is true of all of us with regard to the other punters we meet or read about here. But watching him in action with his particular type of look, vibe and energy, I have no reason to believe he didn't pay far less than the going rate and got exactly what he negotiated for Upfront in the bar, the street, wherever, a vast majority of the time.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2475127]Practically every fellow punter I have met talks about being on a constant hunt for and will do whatever it takes to get BBFS+CIP.[/QUOTE]ET You and your friends must hail from a part of the planet I'm not familiar with. Over the twenty odd years I've been here I've entertained many visitors both young and old and all but a handful were happy to wear a condom. Sure some if given the opportunity went bareback but more were not interested having the usual health concerns. I also have a number of friends here and none insist on BBFS or CIM. As I said perhaps we are on different orbits with different realities. Would be interesting to see what the research if it exists shows.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2475127]That might be, but anyone claiming a 90-100% success rate of getting BBFS+CIP with Thai P4P girls by merely applying the most popularly discussed methods of manipulation or simply ignoring the girl's refusal at crunch time with "NO" or "Condom" mirrors exactly the rate of success I hear about from several other fellow ISG members I have met and dozens of visitors to Thailand who have never heard of ISG. Or, at least, we never mentioned it..............[/QUOTE]Nevertheless ET from all reports you are the bare back king of ISG.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;2475078]It is true, believe me, that many TGs will have BBFS with farangs. Personally I'd recommend getting the lady HIV tested first and yourself as well, especially if she is going to be a regular. Besides testing you can also protect yourself with circumcision & protect the lady by being an excellent practitioner of coitus interruptus. Using pure coconut oil as a lube & barrier wouldn't hurt either. Both testing & a promise not to cum within her will help assure the lady. Just be sure to keep your word.[/QUOTE]Cum inside is my SOP, pussy mouth or anus almost 40 yrs of sex never ever once coitus interrupts free or p4p, if that was standard, I would be addicted to porn instead of the real thing.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2475127]That might be, but anyone claiming a 90-100% success rate of getting BBFS+CIP with Thai P4P girls by merely applying the most popularly discussed methods of manipulation or simply ignoring the girl's refusal at crunch time with "NO" or "Condom" mirrors exactly the rate of success I hear about from several other fellow ISG members I have met and dozens of visitors to Thailand who have never heard of ISG. Or, at least, we never mentioned it.

Practically every fellow punter I have met talks about being on a constant hunt for and will do whatever it takes to get BBFS+CIP from the girls they barfine, meet in the shops, pick up in the clubs or off the street. In most cases, I know they session with a different girl or two virtually every day they are here. On the rare occasions they DIDN'T get BBFS+CIP with the girl they were with previously, I hear about it with their griping and complaining. LOL.

Essentially, they all apply some method of manipulation mentioned here by the experts; "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" tying up their time most of the night so they wouldn't dare deliver ANYTHING that might displease the guy and cause her to be put out with little or no money, get her falling down drunk, hang outside the bars at closing time when they might be falling down drunk already and have very little options for making money except the helpful punter with his own mode of transportation, tell them you're a modeling agent looking for new star material (LOL), dangle a big tip over their head, profess real love and an intention to see her many times to help her and her family, react with hostility to the slightest thing leading right up to the room and on the bed causing the girl to be terrified to cross him on anything, you name it..[/QUOTE]I never agree to full price, it has to be less than everyone else pays or I won't take her LOL.

I want more than everyone else gets, FOR less thb LOL.

I thought I was the best monger in BKK but that title goes to ET but he lives there and spends his thb more freely than this monger.

When I get a girl my objective is to see how close to free I can get here, not how much I can empty my wallet for a nut like I hear so many doing in Pattaya.

Long time lurker here. Too all you valued posters who have a hard time believing others posters claim about bbfs, age and physical appearance matters.

Also if you could not go out and pick up attractive women in your home country then most likely the women in sea are not swooning over you also.

If you can not go to a club and not embarrass yourself on the dance floor then what do you think some 18-25 yr old would see in you? Besides your wallet of course.

Long story short. Some guys have no problems getting the extras because the girls would actually fuck them for free. Not taking shots at anyone, just trying to point out the obvious!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2475213]Nevertheless ET from all reports you are the bare back king of ISG.[/QUOTE]Oh no, not even close.

The crown for king or best on ISG would have to go to the long term, highly respected posters here who report getting bareback as the norm without discussion or objection from any girl they've spied, liked and taken, including the top best lookers from the top go-go bars, any night of the week, whenever they want and have never in many years paid one more than 1,000 - 1,100 baht for Long Time and whose claims are then confirmed by eye witness testimony from other long term, well respected posters here.

That wouldn't be me by a mile.

I do ok for an old farang.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2475079]Hopefully you have caught on that the guy who keeps saying he gets BBFS from 90% of the girls in Thailand and SE Asia is trolling.[/QUOTE]Thanks BB, but what I can't rap my head around is why someone would keep doing that. I can only reach the conclusion that not so innocent objectives may be behind it. I'm glad other punters can see through it though it is a little over the top.