Monterrey

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Sure...I doubt he is particularly interested in the lunch buffet at Prestige...But, honestly, there are times when I am back here in the US that I sincerely miss the food at the lunch buffet at The Prestige.

It is more often than not, "OUTSTANDING!!!" And, for sixty pesos...plus you get one drink with it. I suppose some would say that the attraction there "should be" the girls. But, honestly, if the girls were NOT there, I would go just for the buffet.

As you know Carlos, I am not particularly thrilled with the girls, and were it not for the buffet, I would probably never return there. That says something about the girls...but, the buffet stands on it's own.[/QUOTE]Thanks to CP and USB. I am having trouble getting posts up on this board. If this works this time I'll add more later.

Hello everyone,

I am visiting MTy for the first time, and I wanted to find out more about the Massage Places. I saw that earlier on this thread, you were talking aobut Verssaces and others, but that was a few years ago.

I want to know which MP is better now, and what is the going rate?

I also so online a place called Misses. Do you know anything about that one?

Thank you,

Turista (from Oregon, USA)

The reason is I think, recently joined members posts are moderated...
Please ask your questions... be gald to help.


[QUOTE=Watcher50]Thanks to CP and USB. I am having trouble getting posts up on this board. If this works this time I'll add more later.[/QUOTE]

Hola Watcher50,

With respect to the Prestige, your descriptions of most of the girls is totally accurate. It is one of the reasons that I commented that I am not particularly fond of the girls working the high end clubs. They think their "shit" does not stink, and that they should get paid top dollar for it. I am known to most of these girls, if not personally, then certainly on sight. And, I have gotten to know just how rotten some of them really are, and how disingenuous their motives are, even if you are nice to them.

You know, I realize they are there to make money, and that they are probably not the highest calibre individuals personally, but some of them are downright mean in their daily existence, and many of them are simply too in-love with themselves to ever yield anything that I would ever really desire of them, not even if they were buck naken spread out on mi cama. Some of them are just not "good people."

Frankly, I feel that the attitude from them has perhaps gotten worse over the last five years, but maybe it's because they know I will not spend any money with them, and because I actually know them. Carlos and I are fixtures in the Prestige and Obsession, and while Carlos does patronize some "nice" bad girls in these clubs with a moderate number of drinks, I generally choose just to do a hit & run at the buffets, opting instead to save my money for clubs like Infinito, El Cielo, and even some of the medium level clubs like Pasarelas or Harem. I have always found the girls in the high end clubs to be high on promise, just to sell you drinks or privados. The girls rate very low on delivery, and they are virtually worthless for GFE, or any other action outside the bars. If you patronize them at all with respect to privados, it will generally cost you what I pay for a full blown salida back at my hotel for four to six hours.

With respect to walking in Monterrey, I recommend...

You can take a taxi to Madero and Vilagran from CP, walk South on Vilagran from Madero and be perfectly safe. I have done so up to 4am, all night long between the clubs, never to have encountered a problem, none what-so-ever. There is always a first time, so be careful. But, I have just NEVER sensed any danger walking in the area. I have literally walked from Vilagran up to 10-12 blocks to the East and never, ever encounter even a hint of any danger, and that goes for between the hours of 8pm to 4-5am in the morning.

Walking the area where you have the gauntlet of clubs such as El Infinito, the "new" Givenchy, which is now located immediately North of El Infinito, Tangalay, and Parthenon, the clubs are so closely concentrated that you will just merely walk between them. There are several more clubs along Vilagran, all so close that you will have to walk to them, places like La Cava, to the South of El Infinito on Vilagran, and a few more "lowest of the low" along this gauntlet of clubs as well. I don't frequent many of the lowest of the low, so I don't really recall their names, but they're contained in the gauntlet along with the others I've mentioned...so knock yourself out...have a blast!!!

You can walk from the Vilagran area, where the gauntlet of clubs is located, to another club I recommend, to El Cielo, which is located two blocks North and approximately 1000 feet to the East from El Infinito, on Arteaga. Then, you also have the Matehuala, which is located three blocks North to Madero, and two blocks to the West of El Infinito, on Juan Alverez, visible from Madero and Vilagran if you look toward the Northwest side of Madero from Vilagran.

There is at least one other club that might be pretty decent too that's within walking distance, but I don't recall the name. It is walkable from El Cielo if you get over that way on foot. It is on the block immediately to the East and South of El Cielo, less than one block away from El Cielo. I think that club has some potential. I was in there one time, and thought that it had a few good girls in there, but I haven't really been back there to check it out thoroughly. I have been past there a few times as I make my normal rounds, and it always seems to be pretty busy with patrons, a good sign.

Carlos, do you remember the name of that bar?

I have literally walked from El Infinito to Extasis, which is six blocks to the East of El Infinito on Carlos Salizar, and to my hotel, which is 10-12 blocks to the East of El Infinito, as late as 4-5am, but usually in that instance I stick to Madero, which is very well lit.

I generally try to stick to Madero if walking long distances because some of those side streets get pretty dark at night. But, regardless, I have still walked some of them late at night, and never felt threatened. But, you know, things can change, if not in a heartbeat, then gradually over time.

There has been increased incidents of violence in Monterrey over the past several months, mostly due to the drug cartels, but nothing I can detect with respect to increased street crime in the area you are wanting to walk around.

But, potential for violence on the streets can sometimes change very gradually to the point where areas that were once safe to walk are no longer safe, and the reality creeps up on you. I don't sense that being the case at all in downtown Monterrey, but I believe that if and when it does occur, the transition may be so gradual that one may not really notice that things are getting more dangerous. So, just be aware of your surroundings and use your best street smarts.

I will not probably return to Monterrey until June, and unfortunately, we'll miss our opportunity to meet on this trip. I am tentatively looking at returning perhaps around June 16th to the 23rd. Have a great time!!!





[QUOTE=Watcher50]Thank you CP and USB for your input. Yes, I have been to Prestige, and had the buffet. If I remember the buffet was included in what I paid to get in. That was early in my Mexico experiences. Prestige has a way of separating you from your money very quick. I did sit with a very nice lady and got a dance or two from her, but did I pay for that. I know much more now, and won't go back. I found the girls in mid level places give better service. The high end place girls expect big bucks and know they don't have to do much for the money; they won't see the gringo again. I like your suggestion on the Mexican and the meat places. That's what I was looking for. I have Applebees here. I want to experience the locale where I am. I have been studing mapquest of the city, but mapquest does not have the address feature we have in the US or Canada. Where is the zone you refer?

I know the CP is not chica friendly. But I wonder if I would bring a girl to my room anyway. If I want GFE, I get it at home. I want some strange. It looks like there are other things to see around CP. The Sheraton may be more chica friendly, but not as well situated for other activities. What's your take?

Is the Vilagren area walkable from CP? I have walked both ends of the park with the government buildings and the pedistrian shopping area. Walking a mile is no big deal. It seems to be doable on the map, but I haven't been to that area. Is it safe to walk to? I can't wait to see all the chica bars!

It would be quite interesting to share a beer with either of you. Both of you have so much experience, and such different perspectives! Thanks again for your help![/QUOTE]

Hey Money69,

Do you remember directions to Los Legendarios? I will put it in my PDA and check it out next time I am in Monterrey...or, Carlos, are you familiar with it, and can you advise it's location/address?

I had always heard that the El Al Restaurante, just a small hole in the wall, all-night diner, on Madero, East of Juarez, a couple of blocks on the South side of Madero, was a decent place to eat.

I had recent occassion to take a new girl there, and...

I had actually taken at least one girl there in the past, and at the time, it seemed ok. It is just a greasy spoon kind of place, but one that came recommended.

But, this last time, I took my new girl from the new Givenchy there around 2am. She was unfamiliar with it, and there really weren't too many other places open to take her at that hour of the morning. So, we went there for lack of other options that were close to my hotel. Anyway, she ordered a dish, and began eating it. For several minutes she ate, and eventually she started to pick through the food.

She then told me this food has hairs in it!!!

She moved some of the food around, pulling hairs out of the food with her fork to show me, pretty damned many hairs too. Anyway, I felt kind of bad about bringing her there, but realized that we had very few other options at that late hour. She did not hold me "responsible," but perhaps that contributed to her relatively sour deameanor.

This is the girl that I referred to in my former post as having a kind of sour attitude, which I mostly noticed at the restaurant...Her attitude wasn't necessarily directed toward me, but I suppose her disgust at the quality of the food understandibly yielded a sour disposition.

Toward me, in the room, she displayed some potential. But, I think we will have to make friends first. I will have to become known to her before this one will give up the GFE. So, perhaps if things work out in the future, she will be one of my other "options" in Monterrey.

[QUOTE=Money 69]Try Los Legendarios, I eat there all the time, food is excellent.[/QUOTE]

Carlos is going to kill me, but...I feel the urge to...BASH MEXICO!!!

I have been waiting for some text messages from my "Angel Girl" in Monterrrey, just to determine if she is sincere or full of baloney. She texts me pretty regularly with short two word sentences, usually in mis-spelled Spanish, or wildly mis-spelled English. Lately, she has been irratic in her messages to me, sometimes seemingly texting me at very late hours of the day, at times that seem as though she is distressed about some aspect of her life. It seems like she is somehow getting comfort texting me when she is troubled.

It is kind of frustrating because she pledges her undying devotion to me, verbally, physically, and through her relatively frequent text messages, but not enough to satisfy my needy ass. And, like all Mexicanas, she is short on promises and long on delivery, sometimes...I should not be that hard on her. She is really a sweetheart, and I truly believe that she has strong, legitimate feelings for me, as I sincerely do for her. But, DAMN, I wish Mexicanas were a little more like this...

Case in point. I have not seen my Thai Girl favorita now for probably two years, but I do hear from her occassionally via text message. So, this morning, thinking I would just find out what my Thai girl is up to because I am contemplating a return to the Land of Smiles, I sent her a text message, just asking how she is doing, just a one liner, and I signed my name at the end of the message. I know it seems like I would be bringing sand to the beach by hooking up with my Thai girlfriend when there are so many others to be conquered, but I have a real desire to see her...and you will read why below.

Anyway, this morning...

Literally, within moments of my texting her, she answers my text with a huge deluge of things, questions about what have been up to, comments about her life going fine, things about what she is doing, where she is living, etc...and in pretty decent broken written english at that. And, remember, it is about 7pm in Thailand during the time I sent my message to her.

Four years ago, this girl did not speak any English. That is a huge testiment to her ability to learn from probably the multitudes of Farang she has known in her life as a Pattaya bar girl.

I met her about 4 years ago in a Go Go Club in Pattaya. She was a dancer, and had been on the job for a couple of months, maybe 6-8 weeks maximum. She was about 20 years old, and was a really cute Asian spinner, dancer qualtiy, etc...It is evident from her text this morning that her English has come a long way. Well, when I was in Pattaya, she asked me to buy her an English course book, which I did from the bookstore on Beach Road...who knows, maybe she has studied it and not necessarily learned English from her probably thousands of clients...NOT. :-)

Anyway, I don't want to sound like I am Mexicana bashing again, but this just goes to illustrate the differences between the Thai girl, "Asian," GFE, and what I am experiencing as GFE in Mexico. My "Angel Girl" has come the closest to any of my best GFE encounters worldwide, but even she leaves something to be desired in the followup department.

It isn't that she lacks anything necessarily when she is in the process of delivering the goods in person, but with respect to followup. All Mexicanas are seemingly electronically challenged, technologically ill-equiped, lacking money that even a comparatively poor Thai girl has available to re-charge her cell phone with minutes, or simply neglectful of maintaining relationships that they themselves wish to promote, even if they are only able to do so via text or email when I am not in Monterrey.

Furthermore, compared to the Thai girl...The Thai girl still has the same cell phone number from four years ago. The average Mexicana bar girl seemingly can not hold onto the same cell phone for more than a few months, either having to buy a new one because it has been stolen, or because they've lost it. And, the Mexicanas do not even have the experience or knowledge that they can renew their old number, maintain all their old contacts, even after their phones are lost or stolen. See, they just lack all experience when it has anything at all to do with technologico electronicos.

That's another thing, the Mexicanas don't seem to email shit, they don't have email addresses, they aren't familiar with how to use email...Crap, most of the Mexican bar girls I know are not even remotely familiar with computers period. But, the Asian girls are frickin glued to computers, usually answering emails with impeccable timeliness.

I mean, here is a Thai girl that I have been with a few times, usually several days at a time, over several separate visits, over the course of two-four years ago, but communicating between the two of us numerous times over the years. We have developed kind of a friendship in addition to the mongering elements of our encounters. We did have quite a bond between us, and I believe more of one than what might be typically experienced, but even if that is a totally dilusional perception on my part, she still is far superior to playing her GFE roll than any Mexicana I have ever met, bar none, and with very little anticipation that I will ever be back to see her again.

On many occassions over the past four years she has stayed in touch, never asked for anything, never prevailed on our friendship for money, etc...Of course, when in Thailand, I paid her the going rate. But, she always went out of her way, sometimes even with respect to covering some geography to make sure she saw me when I came to Thailand.

I remember one time arriving at the airport in Bangkok, and not really expecting her to be there. She had been walking the airport for hours, waiting for me to arrive because she wasn't sure what time I would be there. When I finally did arrive, she actually saw me from afar, followed me all the way through the airport, not really sure she recognized me from last time because it had already been about 2 years since I saw her, and I had lost a little weight as well.

I remember standing at the taxi counter downstairs in the BKK airport, and when I turned around, there she was, standing looking at me, wondering if it was me that had finally arrived. She looked exhausted, almost like a deer in the headlights. She told me she had been there at the airport for six hours. She did not know a flight number, a time of arrival, nothing except the date I was supposed to arrive. She had traveled up from Pattaya, probably by bus, which is probably at least a 3-4 hour ordeal coming by bus, and she had dutifully waited for me in the airport, just on the off chance, hoping I would arrive.

I was stupified!!! I just called out her first name, "On"? in total disbelief that she was there.

I was dumbfounded. I didn't expect her to actually be there because I had never confirmed anything with her. When I saw her, I just could not believe my eyes, how she had come all the way up from Pattaya on the off chance that she would find me in the airport on a day that she only believed I might be arriving.

Guys...nothing has ever compared to that kind of persistent GFE kind of endeavor, not anywhere else in the world, and certainly not in Mexico. The Mexicanas could learn a thing or two with respect to GFE, followup, etc...from the Asian girls. This kind of thing happens in the PI as well. As it stands now, my Angel Girl lives two hours from Monterrey, and she has difficulty making it to meet me. Get the comparison? But, in all fairness to her, she does have a young son, and a sick mother, and supposed numerous responsibilities that keep her tied down. So, I guess I should cut her some slack. I will cut her some slack because she is special to me, even if she does sometimes disappoint me a little.

This is not bashing my girl in Monterrey, but I would dearly love it if she had the persistence, discipline, technical education with respect to email, and the organizational skills of my Thai girl. Maybe I can get my "Angel Girl" to take lessons from her. Or, I don't know, maybe I need to take a vacation from Monterrey and revisit Thailand for a reprive from the typical Mexicana routine.

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]I have observed that a recent "Notorious" visitor to Monterrey, one that has his own section on the board, restricts himself to only visiting the massage parlors, reports that they are shit, and is hung up an looking for streetwalkers around the downtown bus station.

WTF is the problem. He concentrates all of his effort on the lowest of the low in Monterrey. Hell, if you restrict yourself to only spending 100 pesos for BJs or FS, then what can you expect. I can get the same service for about $20US in my home town from the crack *****s in our own US ghettos, but I would never contemplate that kind of experience just because it is cheap.

I know I may be critical of the Monterrey scene, but we all know I am a perfectionista for GFE to the "inth" degree. So, my comments are based upon my own "continous improvement criteria." I am not nearly as down on Monterrey as my more recent commentary might suggest, certainly not to the extent of the notorious poster to whom I refer.

For the life of me, I can not figure out how a guy can visit Monterrey, spend the money to travel, the cost of hotels, etc...then, to avoid the low end clubs we have recommended, and to refer to the patrons in them as "Rancheros." I have never, in five years, scene more than a handful of really unruly individuals in these clubs. I have only witnessed the bouncers remove a handful of individuals who were causing problems...and that is over five years of visiting these same clubs. Where does he get this description that the clubs are full of "Rancheros?"

I respectfully submit that the reporting correspondent's commentary with respect to the quality of experience that can be had in Monterrey is totally and completely off the mark. I don't recognize any of the club names he reports on as being worthy of my visiting them. I have heard the names he reports on, certainly, but they are not clubs I would frequent. Why is he only naming clubs that are not part of the main stream Monterrey experience in his reports?

It is hard to imagine that this same individual has experience traveling all over Mexico, and compares the delights of Monterrey as though they were the bottom of the barrel. I submit that this individual is lost...He could have had an absolute blast in Monterrey. Oh well...to each his own.[/QUOTE]

I think you're being a little harsh on the guy. He was certainly enthusiastic about trying to get laid, but unfortunately a little undereducated about how to go about it. It's easy to tell somebody they should have read TFF, but sometimes the real info gets buried a bit with a lot of chatting back and forth between members. I think it's great that there's camaraderie here, but if you really wanted to find the nuts and bolts about how to get well laid in MTY, the info is a bit diluted. USB, your "Monterrey 101" type posts fill a useful info gap in that regard, IMO.

As for his uneducated opinion spewing, well I'm sure several of us were chuckling a bit about his posting style. But I just took it as a bit of a blowhard that finds himself a bit self-important on the internet, something very common in forums like these. People that would rather talk than listen. When they have little to no experience about what they're talking about, it certainly does sound a bit odd to those that know better.

But I think his reports were valuable as to what a first time visitor to MTY with limited advance information might see there. No real need to bash him over it.

Regarding food in Monterrey, I will freely admit that I haven't been to the very high end places, but Mexican food is 100x better in the US Southwest than it is in Northern Mexico. Tacos are really THE local cuisine, and the quality of all ingredients (especially the cuts of meat) for Mexican food is better in the USA. I'd put my money on Applebees being the best non-1st class restaurant in Monterrey, myself, with the Olive Garden-esque Italiannis would be my #2 choice.

Unless, of course, you like GOAT, which is about the only unique local food. I don't eat it, up to you if you want to really experience something unique about the local cuisine.

If I wanted a local cuisine that's good, cheap and that is not readily available in the US, I'd eat tamales. There are a couple good tamale places on the same block as the Hotel Yamallel. You can also buy them at the deli at Soriana.

MY opinion about mongering in Monterrey is that it's a GOOD option for those living in the US that don't have an opportunity/excuse to travel too far or take too much time off for mongering vacations. I really do understand the sense of adventure that many tourists from the US experience coming to a large Mexican city well away from the border.

There are some amazingly beautiful girls working in even the "low end" strip clubs in Monterrey, girls that make even the hottest bordertown girls look like over-the-hill skanks. The girls that charge 70 bucks at the busiest hooker bars in Tijuana would hardly stand out in the strip clubs of Monterrey. Monterrey's top tier girls would make 1000 bucks a NIGHT in Tijuana. With new cheap non-stop flights on VivaAerobus, I would be shocked if more MTY girls didn't start trying their luck there.

As USB mentions in some of his posts, there is excellent GFE available from very hot girls from the Monterrey strip clubs, but to someone used to Southeast Asia prices, it's expensive. If you want to experience USB's GFE world (which probably doesn't come close to WastedG's GFE world!), you better plan on spending at least 300 USD a day for hotel, food, ladies' drinks, ladies drinks, ladies' drinks and more LADIES' DRINKS, private dances and then 150 USD minimum for 2 hours with them in your hotel. While my amigo Carlos opines that's some sort of bargain (and those of you from the US may agree), 300 bucks a day is 2 1/2 times what I spend in Asia, and, IMO, the GFE act in Mexico is nowhere near what you get in the Philippines and maybe Indonesia at a much lower price. Even considering airfare, if you have a week or more, Asia's a no-brainer in my book.

IMO USB is overly harsh on the massage places. I have spent 100's of more hours on 'research' in these places than he has, and while the scene is indeed usually disappointing, every once in awhile you will find someone there that is indeed well worth the effort of seeking out. Your sessions there are going to be rather clinical, but what do you really expect for 10-30 bucks where you point at the girl, pay her and then get to the sex part? Repeat visits and tips can pay excellent dividends, even in the dive low-end massage places. The best massage girls I've had in my years of prowling Monterrey were easily as good as all but the best of the strip club girls performance-wise, and several of them wouldn't have been out of place working at even the highest end strip clubs. But they're not always easy to find with 30+ massage places advertising in the Sol every day, and they may not give you their best if you pay for the most basic session and don't offer any incentive for them to perform. You certainly do have to wade through a lot of crap in the massage places to find a worthwhile experience. For someone there on a short visit, it probably doesn't make much sense to pound the pavement looking for a winning lotto ticket. The strip clubs are a much surer thing.

As far as getting from the Zona Rosa to the "fun" areas (near the Central Camionera, or main bus station), I'd personally advise taking the Metro (subway). 5 pesos and a 20 minute ride, and you're dropped off 2 blocks from the Matehuala strip club. Getting home may require you to take a taxi back, as the Metro only runs til about 11 PM or so. I walk a LOT in Monterrey, and it's a good 50+ minute walk from the Zona Rosa to the Matehuala, something most are not going to want to do in the daytime heat and humidity that is hard to escape most of the year in MTY.

USB, re: comparing your Thai text mate with your Mexican "GF", Mexicanas are gonna lose that war every time. The concept of getting a gringo to financially sponsor them just doesn't really dawn on Mexican girls as a possibility. They're pretty damned naive about this, as that's the first thing an Asian hooker learns: "If I rock a guy's WORLD, I can potentially get RICH (according to their standards)". Mexican hookers only see the finish line and want to move on to the next sucker with a little cash in his pocket. Stupidly short-sighted.

As far as your thoughts about Mexicans and technology, I think that they're well behind most of Asia in use of cellphones and the internet, but it's possibly because those things are significantly more expensive in Mexico than they are in Asia due to monopoly pricing for telecom services and the high cost of relatively shitty quality of electronics goods in Mexico. But believe me, internet use is growing like wildfire in Mexico, as is cellphone use. It won't be too long before Mexican bargirls are consumed by their use just like everybody else is.

As the Bible says, the Last will be the First, so am answering my friend Porkmeister's last post.

Let's... where shall I start....

1. Porker and many see the wrong side of the coin. Mexico is not as screwed up as SEA countries and that is a real fact. Girls here see prostitution as a resort to get money, but there are other places where they can get honest money at low incomes. Contrary to that, SEA girls just don't have an option to survive.
2. Mexican girls do not need an American sponsor cause they get good money from both Mexican and American customers and sorry to tell this, but time and time again I have pointed out that in Mexico, locals have no fear in leaving more money at the clubs as Americans do. The girls get good commisions out of this and the plus is getting extras inside the club. May I counter what Porker says "Mexican hookers only see the finish line and want to move on to the next sucker with a little cash in his pocket. Stupidly short-sighted."... this is SO wrong. You only see the working class clubs in this statement... moderate priced clubs and up are a whole different world.
3. Mexican hookers do know the use of internet, they just don't need to waste time on people that won't come back to see them again.
4. A Monterrey Mexican club girl at the high end clubs get at least 500 pesos per night. And that is a low quote. That gives us $1500 dlls per month... how much time shall I give a SEA girl see that figure in her hand????
5. High quotes: High end club girls earn 5000 per night, moderate priced clubs earn 1000 pesos per night and working class clubs, 500 pesos per night.
6. Why should the girls worry about a GFE situation if they are busy getting money?
7. There are girls that will give you GFEs but both you Porker and USB have weird standars of measuring that. Both of you have in common that GFE should be acompanied by a less than 35 dlls figure.
8. Both of you guys want the girls to impress you. Both of you know that I impress the girls... if I weren't married I would have at least 5 girls oscilating on the range of 18 to 27 years old.
9. Time and time again I have told you both, "this is not SEA" you need double the effort.
10. Contrary to SEA, customers in Mexico are locals averaging 23 years old with money in their pockets (contrary to said SEA).
11. It takes TRIPLE the effort to defeat that... you guys want it to come "just like that".
12. It's 2:25 am. Am just in from the clubs. My Harem darling just told me an hour ago for the first time, "I fucking like you". Am 48 and she is 27. You know how many times I have heard this... 3 times in the last 4 months.
13. No unlucky number 13
14. I will never trade Mexico for SEA on the grounds that it's cheaper over there and GFE is easier to be found.
15. I just don't doubt for a fraction of a second that it might be cheaper, but what ever, hookers and protitution is the same here and over there. .. they are just doing there job: They want money.
16. I just want to see the Timex Test: tell them this "I don't have any money for you now and onwards,.. can I get a freebie???"... I just want to hear the answer... same one I would get here in Monterrey, Mexico.






[QUOTE=Porker]USB, re: comparing your Thai text mate with your Mexican "GF", Mexicanas are gonna lose that war every time. The concept of getting a gringo to financially sponsor them just doesn't really dawn on Mexican girls as a possibility. They're pretty damned naive about this, as that's the first thing an Asian hooker learns: "If I rock a guy's WORLD, I can potentially get RICH (according to their standards)". Mexican hookers only see the finish line and want to move on to the next sucker with a little cash in his pocket. Stupidly short-sighted.

As far as your thoughts about Mexicans and technology, I think that they're well behind most of Asia in use of cellphones and the internet, but it's possibly because those things are significantly more expensive in Mexico than they are in Asia due to monopoly pricing for telecom services and the high cost of relatively shitty quality of electronics goods in Mexico. But believe me, internet use is growing like wildfire in Mexico, as is cellphone use. It won't be too long before Mexican bargirls are consumed by their use just like everybody else is.[/QUOTE]

USB, my friend... "At least my Thai girl still loves me..."
You are losing perspective...
She is stil part of the "business".
She is emailing an option... you. You just don't know if you are the only one or part of the lot.
She sent you an email with info you just don't know if its' true. HELL! you just don't know if it's her!
She is still screwing customers for money.
If she were earning centavos at a civilian job, maybe I would pay attention to her.
Again,... she is still screwing customers for money. She is now 24 years old... if that is OLD here in Mty, I wonder if she is getting to the last stages of her career in Thailand.
Again: right now, she must be screwing customers for money.




[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Carlos is going to kill me, but...I feel the urge to...BASH MEXICO!!!

I have been waiting for some text messages from my "Angel Girl" in Monterrrey, just to determine if she is sincere or full of baloney. She texts me pretty regularly with short two word sentences, usually in mis-spelled Spanish, or wildly mis-spelled English. Lately, she has been irratic in her messages to me, sometimes seemingly texting me at very late hours of the day, at times that seem as though she is distressed about some aspect of her life. It seems like she is somehow getting comfort texting me when she is troubled.

It is kind of frustrating because she pledges her undying devotion to me, verbally, physically, and through her relatively frequent text messages, but not enough to satisfy my needy ass. And, like all Mexicanas, she is short on promises and long on delivery, sometimes...I should not be that hard on her. She is really a sweetheart, and I truly believe that she has strong, legitimate feelings for me, as I sincerely do for her. But, DAMN, I wish Mexicanas were a little more like this...

Case in point. I have not seen my Thai Girl favorita now for probably two years, but I do hear from her occassionally via text message. So, this morning, thinking I would just find out what my Thai girl is up to because I am contemplating a return to the Land of Smiles, I sent her a text message, just asking how she is doing, just a one liner, and I signed my name at the end of the message. I know it seems like I would be bringing sand to the beach by hooking up with my Thai girlfriend when there are so many others to be conquered, but I have a real desire to see her...and you will read why below.

Anyway, this morning...

Literally, within moments of my texting her, she answers my text with a huge deluge of things, questions about what have been up to, comments about her life going fine, things about what she is doing, where she is living, etc...and in pretty decent broken written english at that. And, remember, it is about 7pm in Thailand during the time I sent my message to her.

Four years ago, this girl did not speak any English. That is a huge testiment to her ability to learn from probably the multitudes of Farang she has known in her life as a Pattaya bar girl.

I met her about 4 years ago in a Go Go Club in Pattaya. She was a dancer, and had been on the job for a couple of months, maybe 6-8 weeks maximum. She was about 20 years old, and was a really cute Asian spinner, dancer qualtiy, etc...It is evident from her text this morning that her English has come a long way. Well, when I was in Pattaya, she asked me to buy her an English course book, which I did from the bookstore on Beach Road...who knows, maybe she has studied it and not necessarily learned English from her probably thousands of clients...NOT. :-)

Anyway, I don't want to sound like I am Mexicana bashing again, but this just goes to illustrate the differences between the Thai girl, "Asian," GFE, and what I am experiencing as GFE in Mexico. My "Angel Girl" has come the closest to any of my best GFE encounters worldwide, but even she leaves something to be desired in the followup department.

It isn't that she lacks anything necessarily when she is in the process of delivering the goods in person, but with respect to followup. All Mexicanas are seemingly electronically challenged, technologically ill-equiped, lacking money that even a comparatively poor Thai girl has available to re-charge her cell phone with minutes, or simply neglectful of maintaining relationships that they themselves wish to promote, even if they are only able to do so via text or email when I am not in Monterrey.

Furthermore, compared to the Thai girl...The Thai girl still has the same cell phone number from four years ago. The average Mexicana bar girl seemingly can not hold onto the same cell phone for more than a few months, either having to buy a new one because it has been stolen, or because they've lost it. And, the Mexicanas do not even have the experience or knowledge that they can renew their old number, maintain all their old contacts, even after their phones are lost or stolen. See, they just lack all experience when it has anything at all to do with technologico electronicos.

That's another thing, the Mexicanas don't seem to email shit, they don't have email addresses, they aren't familiar with how to use email...Crap, most of the Mexican bar girls I know are not even remotely familiar with computers period. But, the Asian girls are frickin glued to computers, usually answering emails with impeccable timeliness.

I mean, here is a Thai girl that I have been with a few times, usually several days at a time, over several separate visits, over the course of two-four years ago, but communicating between the two of us numerous times over the years. We have developed kind of a friendship in addition to the mongering elements of our encounters. We did have quite a bond between us, and I believe more of one than what might be typically experienced, but even if that is a totally dilusional perception on my part, she still is far superior to playing her GFE roll than any Mexicana I have ever met, bar none, and with very little anticipation that I will ever be back to see her again.

On many occassions over the past four years she has stayed in touch, never asked for anything, never prevailed on our friendship for money, etc...Of course, when in Thailand, I paid her the going rate. But, she always went out of her way, sometimes even with respect to covering some geography to make sure she saw me when I came to Thailand.

I remember one time arriving at the airport in Bangkok, and not really expecting her to be there. She had been walking the airport for hours, waiting for me to arrive because she wasn't sure what time I would be there. When I finally did arrive, she actually saw me from afar, followed me all the way through the airport, not really sure she recognized me from last time because it had already been about 2 years since I saw her, and I had lost a little weight as well.

I remember standing at the taxi counter downstairs in the BKK airport, and when I turned around, there she was, standing looking at me, wondering if it was me that had finally arrived. She looked exhausted, almost like a deer in the headlights. She told me she had been there at the airport for six hours. She did not know a flight number, a time of arrival, nothing except the date I was supposed to arrive. She had traveled up from Pattaya, probably by bus, which is probably at least a 3-4 hour ordeal coming by bus, and she had dutifully waited for me in the airport, just on the off chance, hoping I would arrive.

I was stupified!!! I just called out her first name, "On"? in total disbelief that she was there.

I was dumbfounded. I didn't expect her to actually be there because I had never confirmed anything with her. When I saw her, I just could not believe my eyes, how she had come all the way up from Pattaya on the off chance that she would find me in the airport on a day that she only believed I might be arriving.

Guys...nothing has ever compared to that kind of persistent GFE kind of endeavor, not anywhere else in the world, and certainly not in Mexico. The Mexicanas could learn a thing or two with respect to GFE, followup, etc...from the Asian girls. This kind of thing happens in the PI as well. As it stands now, my Angel Girl lives two hours from Monterrey, and she has difficulty making it to meet me. Get the comparison? But, in all fairness to her, she does have a young son, and a sick mother, and supposed numerous responsibilities that keep her tied down. So, I guess I should cut her some slack. I will cut her some slack because she is special to me, even if she does sometimes disappoint me a little.

This is not bashing my girl in Monterrey, but I would dearly love it if she had the persistence, discipline, technical education with respect to email, and the organizational skills of my Thai girl. Maybe I can get my "Angel Girl" to take lessons from her. Or, I don't know, maybe I need to take a vacation from Monterrey and revisit Thailand for a reprive from the typical Mexicana routine.[/QUOTE]

Where did you all come from...There is so much here to respond to that I will need to pace myself. And...I promise to be as "brief" >:-)))). I am so excited anticipating my responses that I am absolutely giddy.

Porker...what has gotten it you...Are you back with a vengence? Thank God!!!

MJ, I wondered where you went. My comments in particular concerning my definition of GFE are going to be ammunition against me for many :-) You will enjoy them immensely...I promise.

Carlos...I knew my rantings about Asia versus Mexico would serve as a catalyst to bring you into the fray, and Porker's further collaboration pushed you over the edge, mooooohahahahah >:-).

The board has been sooooooooooo frickin' dead lately. I will take the time to answer each and every one of your excellent comments in due time...But, I will need to take time to savor a response to my rebuttal or agreement with all your respective positions.

LOOK OUT!

I think I wrote some time ago that MJ is now local and sees the business as I do.
I agree with both his posts
Except with the "lost cell phone" part... the girls really lose their cell phones when they are drunk or some envious waiter and fellow club girl will rob them... I guess I have seen that repeat itself on some girls more than once.
The phones WILL get lost specially if someone is aware that said phone contains compromising ictures and/or video.
Since the girls have the sufficient money to get a new phone, they don't bother to rescue their old number. They keep the new one specially since both Telcel and Movistar offer free time when they buy the new equipment.

And Mil, am going to be blunt but this is incorrect: "USB is very decisive about what he wants and that works for him precisely because he is very specific in his likes"

I mean blunt and incorrect because this is decidedly USB's perdition.
He's sticking to one girl only and I have time and time again pointed out his mistake.
Am not kidding Mil... he is stuck with only one.
He's been here so many times and he has only been able to work on one.

Mil, can you please tell USB something, anything???
Cause he is not paying attention to me.